From junkmailer at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 06:59:35 2004 From: junkmailer at satx.rr.com (Luis) Date: Sun Aug 1 05:38:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? In-Reply-To: <001801c4776e$cbf75b30$0200a8c0@blackhole1> References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff> <001801c4776e$cbf75b30$0200a8c0@blackhole1> Message-ID: <410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> I had the same problem last week. My rr was out for 2 days. When the tech showed up, he said that they were having problems with the amplifiers. He said that one amplifier went out in our area and it took time to replace it. Question: When you called, where you placed on hold for over 30 minutes? Luis John Champion wrote: >mine has been off and on for the last two days. no cable light. > >i called in and they said that no one else has been having problems so i >blew it off. > >ever since they started pitching their new 6mbps service, i've notice >dropped connections, lost packets, faulty dns, and a host of other problems. > > ... cut ... > > >>having troubles with rr.com today? >> >>I was getting mail from satx.rr.com earlier... but around noon'ish, it >> >> >just > > >>quit. >> >>Just tried the AMS login from the home page - that didn't work. >> >>thanks. >>-Geoff >> >> >> From msellers at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 1 08:46:05 2004 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Sun Aug 1 07:33:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? In-Reply-To: <410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff> <001801c4776e$cbf75b30$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net> Luis wrote: > I had the same problem last week. My rr was out for 2 days. > When the tech showed up, he said that they were having problems with > the amplifiers. > He said that one amplifier went out in our area and it took time to > replace it. > Question: When you called, where you placed on hold for over 30 minutes? > > Luis A friend of mine who has rr has been unable to connect for a couple of days now. Was placed on hold Thursday for over an hour before hanging up, and then a second time for 45 min. Come Tuesday, rr will not be a problem for him as he's ditching. Mike From wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 1 09:49:27 2004 From: wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (WrkWatchr) Date: Sun Aug 1 08:35:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff><20040731174325.53c7a02c.slacker@satx.rr.com> <01c901c47752$4ea86960$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: It probably helps that I am the first house off the fiber......... Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff/W5OMR" To: ; "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] anyone else? > > > > Mine's working fine too, but I haven't had the need to use AMS, > > sorry. > > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:40:20 -0500 > > WrkWatchr wrote: > > > > > Mine seems to be working......I have email that came in throughout the > > > afternoon... > > thanks, guys. appreciate it. > > -Geoff > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From slacker at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 10:51:29 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Sun Aug 1 09:38:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? In-Reply-To: <410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net> References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff> <001801c4776e$cbf75b30$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> <410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> Time Warner had pro-rated a refund for me when this has happened in the past. I guess I've been fortunate because my cable has never gone out for an extended time, except when we have a storm or something. It has been the most reliable internet service I have ever had. A buddy of mine just switched to DSL (SBC) to save a little money and he hates it...different for everyone I guess. It shouldn't be; the service should be consistent. On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:46:05 -0500 Michael Sellers wrote: > Luis wrote: > > > I had the same problem last week. My rr was out for 2 days. > > When the tech showed up, he said that they were having problems with > > the amplifiers. > > He said that one amplifier went out in our area and it took time to > > replace it. > > Question: When you called, where you placed on hold for over 30 > > minutes? > > > > Luis > > A friend of mine who has rr has been unable to connect for a couple of > days now. Was placed on hold Thursday for over an hour before hanging > up, and then a second time for 45 min. Come Tuesday, rr will not be a > problem for him as he's ditching. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From snafu at urdirect.net Sun Aug 1 11:36:34 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Sun Aug 1 10:15:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure Message-ID: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net> I have a couple of questions on my directory structure. I know all about directories & subdirectories, I'm just asking what I have... I have a FC2 install, which I let partition/setup how it wanted to. I would prefer to have my /home separate, but it is probably under root I kind of miss Windows Explorer in win98 - very handy to see at a glance what your entire directory structure is. That's about the ONLY thing I liked about win98. Anyway, how do you see the directory tree that you have under linux? I tried "tree" from the command line, but says "command not found". If I DO have home under the root directory, can I move it to by itself...> From me at jchampion.com Sun Aug 1 11:44:11 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun Aug 1 10:29:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff><001801c4776e$cbf75b30$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <004301c477de$64230c00$0200a8c0@blackhole1> yes...37 minutes 22 seconds according to the timer on my phone. i looked at it when the guy finally answered. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] anyone else? > I had the same problem last week. My rr was out for 2 days. > When the tech showed up, he said that they were having problems with the > amplifiers. > He said that one amplifier went out in our area and it took time to > replace it. > > Question: When you called, where you placed on hold for over 30 minutes? > > Luis > > John Champion wrote: > > >mine has been off and on for the last two days. no cable light. > > > >i called in and they said that no one else has been having problems so i > >blew it off. > > > >ever since they started pitching their new 6mbps service, i've notice > >dropped connections, lost packets, faulty dns, and a host of other problems. > > > > > ... cut ... > > > > > > >>having troubles with rr.com today? > >> > >>I was getting mail from satx.rr.com earlier... but around noon'ish, it > >> > >> > >just > > > > > >>quit. > >> > >>Just tried the AMS login from the home page - that didn't work. > >> > >>thanks. > >>-Geoff > >> > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 7/30/2004 From doug at clickdoug.com Sun Aug 1 11:46:08 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Sun Aug 1 10:32:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff><001801c4776e$cbf75b30$0200a8c0@blackhole1><410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com><410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net> <20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <00c401c477de$a9d4ff10$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> I guess I have been lucky with SBC DSL (Actually COVAD SDSL) When I built in this sub-division, only RR and cable were available and it was 8 months of awesome technicians, but horrible outages and inconsistent service. When SBC wired the switch (1/4 mile away) with a DSLAM, and the fact that there is Fiber right up to my back yard, it was a no-brainer to switch to SBC. For three and a half years, I have had a total of 15 min of service outage, and this includes storms, the huge flood a year or so ago, and whatever. The Power from CPS does not have that good a record in this area. I still have TW cable for TV, and it still has periodic problems with the signal and other outages. As a result I am a very happy camper with SBC. Your mileage, of course may vary. ====================================== Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul S. Bains" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] anyone else? : Time Warner had pro-rated a refund for me when this has happened in the : past. I guess I've been fortunate because my cable has never gone out : for an extended time, except when we have a storm or something. It has : been the most reliable internet service I have ever had. A buddy of mine : just switched to DSL (SBC) to save a little money and he hates : it...different for everyone I guess. It shouldn't be; the service should : be consistent. : : On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:46:05 -0500 : Michael Sellers wrote: : : > Luis wrote: : > : > > I had the same problem last week. My rr was out for 2 days. : > > When the tech showed up, he said that they were having problems with : > > the amplifiers. : > > He said that one amplifier went out in our area and it took time to : > > replace it. : > > Question: When you called, where you placed on hold for over 30 : > > minutes? : > > : > > Luis : > : > A friend of mine who has rr has been unable to connect for a couple of : > days now. Was placed on hold Thursday for over an hour before hanging : > up, and then a second time for 45 min. Come Tuesday, rr will not be a : > problem for him as he's ditching. : > : > Mike : > _______________________________________________ : > Satlug mailing list : > Satlug@satlug.org : > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : _______________________________________________ : Satlug mailing list : Satlug@satlug.org : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : : From dvmail at texas.net Sun Aug 1 11:54:42 2004 From: dvmail at texas.net (dvmail@texas.net) Date: Sun Aug 1 10:39:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Yum interface and issues (repository-mixing issues?) Message-ID: <20040801155441.BA84A21AD778@mail2.aus.texas.net> John, http://www.redhat.com/advice/tips/up2date.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-March/msg04316.html Have you been using .rpm files from different repositories? http://www.fedora.us/wiki/RepositoryMixingProblems "...repository mixing will unfortunately sometimes cause incompatibilities. You will not be supported if you complain about breakages due to mixing repositories." I had installed Fedora Core 3 Test 1, and had a difficult time with getting it to update with yum. I finally decided that though FC3test1 is nice, if it won't update it isn't doing me any good. So I decided to try http://whiteboxlinux.net/ from their website... ---begin quote--- What is the goal for White Box Enterprise Linux? To provide an unencumbered RPM based Enterprise Linux distribution that retains enough compatibility with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (version 3 and beyond) to allow easy upgrades and to retain compatibility with their Errata srpms. Being based off of RHEL3 means that a machine should be able to avoid the upgrade treadmill until Oct 2008 since RHEL promises Errata availability for five years from date of initial release and RHEL3 shipped in Oct 2003. Or more briefly, to fill the gap between Fedora and RHEL. ---end quote---- But then when I wanted to install something, it had dependency issues and so if I can get hi-speed internet back at the ranch, then I need to run Debian (or Slackware?) to be happy and d-l packages automatically. have fun, Daniel Villarreal > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:23:59 -0500 From: John C Clements Subject: [SATLUG] Graphical Yum Interface Found a reference to graphical front end for yum, yumi. Downloaded yumi-2* and the current yum version, both rpm'ed OK. When running yumi from root, I get the message: "RuntimeError: Bad magic number in .pyc file." I don't recall ever seeing this message before, any clues? Running FC2 here on a 900 MHz Athalon. Thanks in Advance John Clements www.cclug.org > From chardon47 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 1 10:00:01 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Sun Aug 1 10:45:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? In-Reply-To: <00c401c477de$a9d4ff10$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Message-ID: <20040801160001.83174.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> I've had RR for 4 years with very few outages. The customer service stinks though. Doug White wrote:I guess I have been lucky with SBC DSL (Actually COVAD SDSL) When I built in this sub-division, only RR and cable were available and it was 8 months of awesome technicians, but horrible outages and inconsistent service. When SBC wired the switch (1/4 mile away) with a DSLAM, and the fact that there is Fiber right up to my back yard, it was a no-brainer to switch to SBC. For three and a half years, I have had a total of 15 min of service outage, and this includes storms, the huge flood a year or so ago, and whatever. The Power from CPS does not have that good a record in this area. I still have TW cable for TV, and it still has periodic problems with the signal and other outages. As a result I am a very happy camper with SBC. Your mileage, of course may vary. ====================================== Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul S. Bains" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] anyone else? : Time Warner had pro-rated a refund for me when this has happened in the : past. I guess I've been fortunate because my cable has never gone out : for an extended time, except when we have a storm or something. It has : been the most reliable internet service I have ever had. A buddy of mine : just switched to DSL (SBC) to save a little money and he hates : it...different for everyone I guess. It shouldn't be; the service should : be consistent. : : On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:46:05 -0500 : Michael Sellers wrote: : : > Luis wrote: : > : > > I had the same problem last week. My rr was out for 2 days. : > > When the tech showed up, he said that they were having problems with : > > the amplifiers. : > > He said that one amplifier went out in our area and it took time to : > > replace it. : > > Question: When you called, where you placed on hold for over 30 : > > minutes? : > > : > > Luis : > : > A friend of mine who has rr has been unable to connect for a couple of : > days now. Was placed on hold Thursday for over an hour before hanging : > up, and then a second time for 45 min. Come Tuesday, rr will not be a : > problem for him as he's ditching. : > : > Mike : > _______________________________________________ : > Satlug mailing list : > Satlug@satlug.org : > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : _______________________________________________ : Satlug mailing list : Satlug@satlug.org : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : : _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield KC5FOY "Illegitimus non Carborundum" From slacker at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 12:17:04 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Sun Aug 1 11:04:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure In-Reply-To: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net> References: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <20040801111704.23f40827.slacker@satx.rr.com> Not sure how FC sets the structure by default, but normally RH creates a seperate /boot partition for the kernel, then everything else goes under / - /home, /var, /tmp, /etc, /usr, yada, yada... I assume you are using X, correct? If so, your desktop environment should have a file manager allowing you to see your structure. KDE uses one(not sure which) and Gnome uses Nautilus. Command line managers include mc (Midnight COmmander), which is my favorite for the command line. As for moving /home out of /, the only advantage to that is going to come from it being a seperate partition, and if the system is installed already, that's not possible (to my knowledge) without some sort of partition moving software. Not sure if Partition Magic (Windows) will work for non Windows partitions. Normally, at installation, I create a seperate partition for /home because then I can save all of my user information/settings if I reinstall the entire system. Everything else goes under /. There are other advantages to creating seperate partitions for /var or /usr as well, but normally I don't worry about that on a home system. I may get arguments about that though...;-) Paul On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:36:34 -0500 "Donn D." wrote: > I have a couple of questions on my directory structure. I know all > about directories & subdirectories, I'm just asking what I have... > > I have a FC2 install, which I let partition/setup how it wanted to. I > would prefer to have my /home separate, but it is probably under root > > I kind of miss Windows Explorer in win98 - very handy to see at a > glance what your entire directory structure is. That's about the ONLY > thing I liked about win98. > > Anyway, how do you see the directory tree that you have under linux? > I tried "tree" from the command line, but says "command not found". > If I DO have home under the root directory, can I move it to by > itself...> > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mester at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 12:37:27 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Sun Aug 1 11:30:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? In-Reply-To: <20040801160001.83174.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Bill wrote: > I've had RR for 4 years with very few outages. The customer service stinks though. > I must be living a charmed life. I've had RR for about 3 years with no complaints. I only had to call once because the cable modem was dying. I was told to go to my local TW office, and was given a replacement modem with no hassles. **************************************** Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Aug 1 12:51:42 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Sun Aug 1 11:36:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff><001801c4776e$cbf75b30$0200a8c0@blackhole1><410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com><410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net> <20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <001501c477e7$d2a7f5b0$0200a8c0@jeff> > Time Warner had pro-rated a refund for me when this has happened in the > past. I guess I've been fortunate because my cable has never gone out > for an extended time, except when we have a storm or something. It has > been the most reliable internet service I have ever had. A buddy of mine > just switched to DSL (SBC) to save a little money and he hates > it...different for everyone I guess. It shouldn't be; the service should > be consistent. Weird... I don't have email access... (have three accounts there, and all three have had the password changed) but still browsing the 'net... go figure.. From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Aug 1 12:55:02 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Sun Aug 1 11:40:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure References: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <001b01c477e8$4982e690$0200a8c0@jeff> > Anyway, how do you see the directory tree that you have under linux? I > tried "tree" from the command line, but says "command not found". If I > DO have home under the root directory, can I move it to by itself...> one of the default rpm's in SuSE's install distros, is "ytree". If you've been around long enough, it looks and acts just like Xtree Gold, did. Xtree was a 'shell' program - you could change dirs, look at the entire structure, including sub-dirs, etc... go into each dir and manipulate files... kinda like Midnite Commander in Linux (try 'mc' from the command prompt). Failing that, check to see if FC2 has ytree as one of the rpms to install. -Geoff From spammer at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 14:20:52 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Sun Aug 1 13:05:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? In-Reply-To: <20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff> <410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net> <20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200408011320.52479.spammer@satx.rr.com> On Sunday 01 August 2004 4:51 am, Paul S. Bains wrote: I had my RR go out for 4 days plus half of my cable channels, Time Warner will pro rate you time credit but you have to put up a stink about it,, I managed to get 2 weeks, for the most part I have had pretty good service except for a few humdrums a while back,, but I got credit on all days I was out. As much money as they make,, if you bitch loud enough they will give you credit to your cable bill. Atleast it works for me. Nick > Time Warner had pro-rated a refund for me when this has happened in the > past. I guess I've been fortunate because my cable has never gone out > for an extended time, except when we have a storm or something. It has > been the most reliable internet service I have ever had. A buddy of mine > just switched to DSL (SBC) to save a little money and he hates > it...different for everyone I guess. It shouldn't be; the service should > be consistent. > > On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:46:05 -0500 > > Michael Sellers wrote: > > Luis wrote: > > > I had the same problem last week. My rr was out for 2 days. > > > When the tech showed up, he said that they were having problems with > > > the amplifiers. > > > He said that one amplifier went out in our area and it took time to > > > replace it. > > > Question: When you called, where you placed on hold for over 30 > > > minutes? > > > > > > Luis > > > > A friend of mine who has rr has been unable to connect for a couple of > > days now. Was placed on hold Thursday for over an hour before hanging > > up, and then a second time for 45 min. Come Tuesday, rr will not be a > > problem for him as he's ditching. > > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- From snafu at urdirect.net Sun Aug 1 14:35:39 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Sun Aug 1 13:14:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure In-Reply-To: <001b01c477e8$4982e690$0200a8c0@jeff> References: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net> <001b01c477e8$4982e690$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: <410D37FB.7060304@urdirect.net> Geoff/W5OMR wrote: >one of the default rpm's in SuSE's install distros, is "ytree". If you've been >around long enough, it looks and acts just like Xtree Gold, did. > > > so, you are saying that if I remember xtree gold then I am old... Guess I am old, cuz I remember xtree gold. My dad used to use it alot, but I never really used it. I do have /home under root, as FC chose to do it. I'll just leave it alone as is. Next time I install anything, I'll try to figure out how to tell it to make /home separate. As a side note, I may install RH9 on my FC2 machine, so that when I go thru the Linux+ books & Linux+ study guides, I'll have RH to do the exercises on. I've never done a dual-boot with 2 linux distros before, hope it works out ok. From doug at clickdoug.com Sun Aug 1 14:43:47 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Sun Aug 1 13:29:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure References: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net><001b01c477e8$4982e690$0200a8c0@jeff> <410D37FB.7060304@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <015201c477f7$7ade6840$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> : > : > : > : so, you are saying that if I remember xtree gold then I am old... Guess : I am old, cuz I remember xtree gold. My dad used to use it alot, but I : never really used it. : There are a couple of features I used a lot in Xtree Gold that I really miss. One was the really good built-in Hex editor. the other was the ability to search files, directories, or whole trees for a string contained within a file. This was really useful in helping to find files for programmers who had not yet learned about naming conventions, or were not yet comfortable with directories,, sub-directories, etc. From slacker at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 15:46:18 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Sun Aug 1 14:33:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure In-Reply-To: <410D37FB.7060304@urdirect.net> References: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net> <001b01c477e8$4982e690$0200a8c0@jeff> <410D37FB.7060304@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <20040801144618.1c516d68.slacker@satx.rr.com> Next time you install, when you get to the disc partitioning section, choose to make /home a seperate partition. No idea what the installer looks like in FC, but RH 9's was very easy to use. On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:35:39 -0500 "Donn D." wrote: > Geoff/W5OMR wrote: > > >one of the default rpm's in SuSE's install distros, is "ytree". If > >you've been around long enough, it looks and acts just like Xtree > >Gold, did. > > > > > > > so, you are saying that if I remember xtree gold then I am old... > Guess I am old, cuz I remember xtree gold. My dad used to use it > alot, but I never really used it. > > I do have /home under root, as FC chose to do it. I'll just leave it > alone as is. Next time I install anything, I'll try to figure out how > to tell it to make /home separate. > > As a side note, I may install RH9 on my FC2 machine, so that when I go > thru the Linux+ books & Linux+ study guides, I'll have RH to do the > exercises on. I've never done a dual-boot with 2 linux distros > before, hope it works out ok. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From gwillden at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 17:58:44 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Sun Aug 1 15:43:49 2004 Subject: SBC/SSH issues (Was Re: [SATLUG] I finally set up my Road Runner page.) In-Reply-To: <410AA105.9060002@swri.edu> References: <20040728152249.DEB02A2E9E2@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <20040728130907.C19782@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <1091049611.18574.47.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <20040730094541.B1516@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <410AA105.9060002@swri.edu> Message-ID: <345e55a50408011358943982@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:27:01 -0500, H. Streit wrote: > I have SBC DSL and I have to admit, it's been an Okay ride so far. > However, I can't seem to sustain an SSH session to a system for more > than 15 hours (using SFTP and trying to backup all my Anime). It's > pretty frustrating, and I'm not blaming SBC (after all it could be the > three firewalls or the VPN I'm riding the connection thru that's > dropping me...). I've tried going the other way (setting up the SSH > server on my home box and SSH'ing from my backup machine. Still dies > a gruesome death after 15 hours) Anybody know if this is an SBC-thing? Well, have you thought about using rsync? That way when you get disconnected you will be able to continue where you left off. example: rsync -avz username@hostname:/path/to/files localdirectory This will recursively copy all files (z is for compression) from /path/to/files on the remote machine to your localdirectory. When rsync sees this type of a path for the source or destination then it tunnels over SSH. So when it dies you just re-run the same command again and it will pick up where it left off. It only transfers the diffs over the network. Regards Greg From snafu at urdirect.net Sun Aug 1 18:33:00 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Sun Aug 1 17:11:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] windows & linux sharing printer Message-ID: <410D6F9C.5020804@urdirect.net> I have a HP printer directly connected to my FC2 machine. I also have a win2k machine in the same room, with no printer connected to it. I have a DHCP router with my FC2 box connected to it. I also have a cable to my win2k box, however I almost always leave it disconnected from the back on the win box because I don't trust windows and the internet. Occasionally, I want to print something from my windows machine. I have better luck with print options (driver) on windows - print quality choices, 2-sided printing choice, etc etc. I have none of those choices under linux. So, if I have something on my FC2 machine that I want to print from my win2k machine, I would have to use samba. I'm pretty sure I have samba installed. How do you start it or test if its installed, or is it started automatically? I usually log on my win2k machine as Administrator, and log on my linux machine as my user name, donn. Do I need to be "on" both machines as the same name? According to some googling I did, I may need to uncomment some things in smb.conf. If I want to share/print something between boxes, I would connect the network cable to my win2k box. But other than that, I leave my win machine disconnected all the time for security. thanks From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 18:22:59 2004 From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (Matt Valdes) Date: Sun Aug 1 17:12:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure In-Reply-To: <20040801111704.23f40827.slacker@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c47816$1a334dc0$6600a8c0@Compaq> You can move your home (or any) directory at any time, though I'm not sure you need to worry about it right now. You'll just have to make some free space into a new partition, and then point your home directory at the new partition. Linux has built in commands to do this, so you don't have to buy special software. Look at the man pages for parted and mkpart for starters. This should give you a basic idea: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/s1- parted-create-part.html -Matt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Paul S. Bains Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 6:17 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] directory structure Not sure how FC sets the structure by default, but normally RH creates a seperate /boot partition for the kernel, then everything else goes under / - /home, /var, /tmp, /etc, /usr, yada, yada... I assume you are using X, correct? If so, your desktop environment should have a file manager allowing you to see your structure. KDE uses one(not sure which) and Gnome uses Nautilus. Command line managers include mc (Midnight COmmander), which is my favorite for the command line. As for moving /home out of /, the only advantage to that is going to come from it being a seperate partition, and if the system is installed already, that's not possible (to my knowledge) without some sort of partition moving software. Not sure if Partition Magic (Windows) will work for non Windows partitions. Normally, at installation, I create a seperate partition for /home because then I can save all of my user information/settings if I reinstall the entire system. Everything else goes under /. There are other advantages to creating seperate partitions for /var or /usr as well, but normally I don't worry about that on a home system. I may get arguments about that though...;-) Paul On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:36:34 -0500 "Donn D." wrote: > I have a couple of questions on my directory structure. I know all > about directories & subdirectories, I'm just asking what I have... > > I have a FC2 install, which I let partition/setup how it wanted to. I > would prefer to have my /home separate, but it is probably under root > > I kind of miss Windows Explorer in win98 - very handy to see at a > glance what your entire directory structure is. That's about the ONLY > thing I liked about win98. > > Anyway, how do you see the directory tree that you have under linux? > I tried "tree" from the command line, but says "command not found". > If I DO have home under the root directory, can I move it to by > itself...> > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 20:42:20 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Aug 1 19:27:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] windows & linux sharing printer In-Reply-To: <410D6F9C.5020804@urdirect.net> References: <410D6F9C.5020804@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <277020fc040801174220adaeae@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:33:00 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > I have a HP printer directly connected to my FC2 machine. I also have a > win2k machine in the same room, with no printer connected to it. I have > a DHCP router with my FC2 box connected to it. I also have a cable to > my win2k box, however I almost always leave it disconnected from the > back on the win box because I don't trust windows and the internet. Donn: If you want a real easy way to do this - you can get a Jetdirect print server and just plug it into your router. We did this at my workplace and it installs flawlessly on FC2. Installing the driver and port on the windows machine was a more involved process, but not too hard to do. I know for sure that the jetdirect 170x works fine. You might find one cheap on eBay. -Sean From satlug at satlug.org Sun Aug 1 19:59:06 2004 From: satlug at satlug.org (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Aug 1 19:28:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] remote slowness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200408011859.06420.> On Saturday 31 July 2004 22:13, Ed Coates wrote: > Hi All, > > First, a little background info. I had a 900 MHz Athlon running SuSE 9.0 > on it. I let all the magic smoke out of the processor, and it dissipated > before I could catch it, and stuff it back in. > Finally tracked down the problem. At Jeremey's suggestion, I put in a different NIC instead of using the onboard one, and voila. It rocks remotely again. :) Thanks Jeremey! Ed/KB8FZQ From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 21:03:45 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Sun Aug 1 19:39:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] windows & linux sharing printer In-Reply-To: <277020fc040801174220adaeae@mail.gmail.com> References: <410D6F9C.5020804@urdirect.net> <277020fc040801174220adaeae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1091408625.6208.0.camel@zeus.matrix> If you want to pick up one on the cheap, wait till the next PC show (if you can). You can score an external unit for $20-40 and an internal one for $10-30.. HP print servers rock! FIRESTORM_v1 On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 19:42, Sean Carolan wrote: > On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:33:00 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > > I have a HP printer directly connected to my FC2 machine. I also have a > > win2k machine in the same room, with no printer connected to it. I have > > a DHCP router with my FC2 box connected to it. I also have a cable to > > my win2k box, however I almost always leave it disconnected from the > > back on the win box because I don't trust windows and the internet. > > Donn: > > If you want a real easy way to do this - you can get a Jetdirect print > server and just plug it into your router. We did this at my workplace > and it installs flawlessly on FC2. Installing the driver and port on > the windows machine was a more involved process, but not too hard to > do. I know for sure that the jetdirect 170x works fine. You might > find one cheap on eBay. > > -Sean > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Sun Aug 1 21:58:00 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Sun Aug 1 20:43:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure In-Reply-To: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net> References: <410D0E02.7040609@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <1091411881.1105.125.camel@laptop> Donn, A few commands that might help out: "fdisk -l" will list the partitions and what type they are "df -h" will show the partitions, their size, amount used, and what directory is mounted to that partition "du -hs *" in any directory will show the directory contents and size, including the size of any directory under the one you are in And the tree command you mentioned shows the directory structure under where you are. The tree command is part of the "tree-1.2-22" package in RedHat 9. Hope those help. Chuck On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 10:36, Donn D. wrote: > I have a couple of questions on my directory structure. I know all > about directories & subdirectories, I'm just asking what I have... > > I have a FC2 install, which I let partition/setup how it wanted to. I > would prefer to have my /home separate, but it is probably under root > > I kind of miss Windows Explorer in win98 - very handy to see at a glance > what your entire directory structure is. That's about the ONLY thing I > liked about win98. > > Anyway, how do you see the directory tree that you have under linux? I > tried "tree" from the command line, but says "command not found". If I > DO have home under the root directory, can I move it to by itself...> > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 22:02:33 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Aug 1 20:47:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] windows & linux sharing printer In-Reply-To: <1091408625.6208.0.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <410D6F9C.5020804@urdirect.net> <1091408625.6208.0.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <277020fc04080119027bc3e5d1@mail.gmail.com> On 01 Aug 2004 20:03:45 -0500, Matt wrote: > If you want to pick up one on the cheap, wait till the next PC show (if > you can). You can score an external unit for $20-40 and an internal one > for $10-30.. > > HP print servers rock! Yes, can't tell you how thrilled I was to find that our HP printer and JetDirect server "just worked" with FC2. It's real easy - you just set the IP address, and find the driver for your printer and off you go. From dubose at texas.net Sun Aug 1 22:19:10 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:02:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff> <410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <410DA49E.42562C33@texas.net> I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. Walt PS, no RR problems here. From chardon47 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 1 20:27:14 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:12:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me In-Reply-To: <410DA49E.42562C33@texas.net> Message-ID: <20040802022714.97300.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> And I just send an email to multiple users, and they all failed to get past the local server. Walt DuBose wrote: I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. Walt PS, no RR problems here. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield KC5FOY "Illegitimus non Carborundum" From swinston at global-gaming.com Sun Aug 1 22:28:37 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:13:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: windows & linux sharing printer Message-ID: <20040802022837.GA21710@Linux.satx.rr.com> I have almost the same setup. Here's how to save 10-50$ on a jetdirect drive. go to you /etc/smb.conf and add the following: [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [lp0] comment = Linux Printer path = /var/spool/samba read only = No printable = Yes cups options = "raw" printer name = Linux Printer use client driver = Yes oplocks = No share modes = No also if you're worried about security using samba, go to global and make sure the following is there: hosts allow = 192.168. The above will restrict the logins to be from the local domain. Or at least everyone in your class C network. you can make it even more secure by using the entire IP address of your windows machine. For the above options wiht the printer, you're using FC2 so unless you changed your defaults, you're using cups. the "use client driver" bit tells windows not to freak out that you don't have a need for a windows driver to be broadcast. It will instead pleasently install it's own driver for that printer. You might think of using SWAT to configure everything, it's also included in FC2 and already setup for you. -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC I had the rare misfortune of being one of the first people to try and implement a PL/1 compiler. -- T. Cheatham From hotrodls at ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 1 20:30:21 2004 From: hotrodls at ix.netcom.com (Lincoln) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:15:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me Message-ID: <30362113.1091413821710.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Howdy Walt, What are the similarities and characteristics of these messages? -Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: Walt DuBose Sent: Aug 1, 2004 7:19 PM I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. Walt From jftitan at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 1 22:32:26 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:17:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me In-Reply-To: <410DA49E.42562C33@texas.net> Message-ID: <200408020232.i722WSQ2005085@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> Hey Walt! I guess you got all my mail, because on a norm for me I get about 100 spams. Today... Zip Zero, Nada, None. Thanks for taking my mail! -Joe -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Walt DuBose Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:19 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. Walt PS, no RR problems here. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Sun Aug 1 22:36:29 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:19:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me References: <30362113.1091413821710.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <410DA8AD.38C23D99@texas.net> Some delivery failure notices and some from Spam blockers...some one has stolen my E-Mail address. Due to some of my ham radio activities, my E-Mail address is probably 2000-3000 address books and I'm sure that 90% are Outlook and most likely on or more have a viruse. I don't think it was a purposeful attack but rather someone using my E-Mail address for spamming purposes using a stolen mail list. Walt Lincoln wrote: > > Howdy Walt, > > What are the similarities and characteristics of these messages? > > -Lincoln > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walt DuBose > Sent: Aug 1, 2004 7:19 PM > > I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Sun Aug 1 22:37:53 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:21:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me References: <20040802022714.97300.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <410DA901.3FDE020@texas.net> Well, maybe we are being attacked already??? Walt Bill wrote: > > And I just send an email to multiple users, and they all failed to get past the local server. > > Walt DuBose wrote: > I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. > > Walt > > PS, no RR problems here. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Bill Hatfield KC5FOY > > "Illegitimus non Carborundum" > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Sun Aug 1 22:38:48 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:22:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me References: <200408020232.i722WSQ2005085@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <410DA938.4A9C24E7@texas.net> de nada amigo. NaT wrote: > > Hey Walt! > > I guess you got all my mail, because on a norm for me I get about 100 > spams. Today... Zip Zero, Nada, None. > Thanks for taking my mail! > > -Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Walt DuBose > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:19 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me > > I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. > > Walt > > PS, no RR problems here. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From snafu at urdirect.net Sun Aug 1 22:49:13 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:28:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] windows & linux sharing printer In-Reply-To: <277020fc040801174220adaeae@mail.gmail.com> References: <410D6F9C.5020804@urdirect.net> <277020fc040801174220adaeae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <410DABA9.2010402@urdirect.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >Donn: > >If you want a real easy way to do this - you can get a Jetdirect print >server and just plug it into your router. We did this at my workplace >and it installs flawlessly on FC2. Installing the driver and port on >the windows machine was a more involved process, but not too hard to >do. I know for sure that the jetdirect 170x works fine. You might >find one cheap on eBay. > > thanks. We also have one of those where I work. I go to the Live Oak comp. shows sometimes, so I'll keep my eyes open. My wife is also in the same room with her computer & her printer (its a big room). So maybe that print server could cut us both down to one printer, save some space. I still want to learn to network the lin box & the win box together though, but I'll worry about that later. From snafu at urdirect.net Sun Aug 1 23:09:15 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Sun Aug 1 21:48:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: windows & linux sharing printer In-Reply-To: <20040802022837.GA21710@Linux.satx.rr.com> References: <20040802022837.GA21710@Linux.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <410DB05B.1060404@urdirect.net> Steven Winston wrote: > > You might think of using SWAT to configure everything, it's also > included in FC2 and already setup for you. > guess I'll check around for a cheap print server. We had one at our office for several years, but now we have moved, and the company has many less people, so we no longer need the print server. I'm gonna look for it tomorrow - its probably in a box of computer junk we no longer use. btw - I did look into swat, before posting this thread. I don't see that I have it, and I tried a yum install, but it said no package found... From me at jchampion.com Sun Aug 1 23:44:23 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun Aug 1 22:29:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me References: <30362113.1091413821710.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <410DA8AD.38C23D99@texas.net> Message-ID: <002c01c47843$02760f10$0200a8c0@blackhole1> i think you've been the victim of spoofing...so long as ip the spam originated from isn't yours...you should be okay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt DuBose" To: "Lincoln" ; "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me > Some delivery failure notices and some from Spam blockers...some one has > stolen my E-Mail address. > > Due to some of my ham radio activities, my E-Mail address is probably > 2000-3000 address books and I'm sure that 90% are Outlook and most > likely on or more have a viruse. > > I don't think it was a purposeful attack but rather someone using my > E-Mail address for spamming purposes using a stolen mail list. > > Walt > > Lincoln wrote: > > > > Howdy Walt, > > > > What are the similarities and characteristics of these messages? > > > > -Lincoln > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Walt DuBose > > Sent: Aug 1, 2004 7:19 PM > > > > I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. > > > > Walt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 7/29/2004 From dubose at texas.net Sun Aug 1 23:55:13 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sun Aug 1 22:38:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me References: <30362113.1091413821710.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <002c01c47843$02760f10$0200a8c0@blackhole1> Message-ID: <410DBB21.7013EE57@texas.net> That's my guess. I'm checking my outgoing packets with TCPDUMP. Walt John Champion wrote: > > i think you've been the victim of spoofing...so long as ip the spam > originated from isn't yours...you should be okay. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walt DuBose" > To: "Lincoln" ; "The San Antonio Linux User's Group > Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Somebody Loves Me > > > Some delivery failure notices and some from Spam blockers...some one has > > stolen my E-Mail address. > > > > Due to some of my ham radio activities, my E-Mail address is probably > > 2000-3000 address books and I'm sure that 90% are Outlook and most > > likely on or more have a viruse. > > > > I don't think it was a purposeful attack but rather someone using my > > E-Mail address for spamming purposes using a stolen mail list. > > > > Walt > > > > Lincoln wrote: > > > > > > Howdy Walt, > > > > > > What are the similarities and characteristics of these messages? > > > > > > -Lincoln > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Walt DuBose > > > Sent: Aug 1, 2004 7:19 PM > > > > > > I got mail bombed...3485 messages and onlu 8 or 9 were really for me. > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 7/29/2004 > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Sun Aug 1 23:58:35 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Sun Aug 1 22:43:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: windows & linux sharing printer In-Reply-To: <410DB05B.1060404@urdirect.net> References: <20040802022837.GA21710@Linux.satx.rr.com> <410DB05B.1060404@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <1091419116.1109.137.camel@laptop> Yea, I need to get a decent print server too -- one for a customer. I purchased a cheapie at Altex. The customer has a big plotter that they want everyone to be able to send plots to without having to go thru the one computer its currently hooked to. Well, the cheepie worked OK. Problem was the software that came with it. When you installed it on a PC, it created a virtual LPT1 which was the network port to the print server. Problem with that was each PC also had a local printer attached to it -- on LPT1. So, none of the local printers would work any more. And there was no way in the software to change it to a different virtual parallel port. Oh well. Guess I should have gone with something other than the cheepie. Now, I'm stuck with it. Chuck On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 22:09, Donn D. wrote: > Steven Winston wrote: > > > > > You might think of using SWAT to configure everything, it's also > > included in FC2 and already setup for you. > > > guess I'll check around for a cheap print server. We had one at our > office for several years, but now we have moved, and the company has > many less people, so we no longer need the print server. I'm gonna look > for it tomorrow - its probably in a box of computer junk we no longer use. > > btw - I did look into swat, before posting this thread. I don't see > that I have it, and I tried a yum install, but it said no package found... > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 2 02:06:57 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Mon Aug 2 00:42:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: windows & linux sharing printer In-Reply-To: <1091419116.1109.137.camel@laptop> References: <20040802022837.GA21710@Linux.satx.rr.com> <410DB05B.1060404@urdirect.net> <1091419116.1109.137.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1091426817.8245.0.camel@zeus.matrix> Was this a netgear pocket print server by chance? FIRESTORM_v1 On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 22:58, Chuck wrote: > Yea, > > I need to get a decent print server too -- one for a customer. I > purchased a cheapie at Altex. The customer has a big plotter that they > want everyone to be able to send plots to without having to go thru the > one computer its currently hooked to. > > Well, the cheepie worked OK. Problem was the software that came with > it. When you installed it on a PC, it created a virtual LPT1 which was > the network port to the print server. Problem with that was each PC > also had a local printer attached to it -- on LPT1. So, none of the > local printers would work any more. And there was no way in the > software to change it to a different virtual parallel port. > > Oh well. Guess I should have gone with something other than the > cheepie. Now, I'm stuck with it. > > > Chuck > > > > On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 22:09, Donn D. wrote: > > Steven Winston wrote: > > > > > > > > You might think of using SWAT to configure everything, it's also > > > included in FC2 and already setup for you. > > > > > guess I'll check around for a cheap print server. We had one at our > > office for several years, but now we have moved, and the company has > > many less people, so we no longer need the print server. I'm gonna look > > for it tomorrow - its probably in a box of computer junk we no longer use. > > > > btw - I did look into swat, before posting this thread. I don't see > > that I have it, and I tried a yum install, but it said no package found... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From msellers at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 2 14:26:28 2004 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Mon Aug 2 13:13:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? In-Reply-To: <20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff> <001801c4776e$cbf75b30$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> <410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net> <20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <410E8754.6070805@sbcglobal.net> I've had both rr and sbc dsl. Machs nix to me as far as speed is concerned. They are both speedy enough for me to do gentoo stage 1 installs with out a big delay. I have downloaded an iso in ages. SBC hosts my domain name and gives me 5 ip addresses. I don't think time warner does anything like that. Well, last I checked, they did not allow personal servers on their network. Mike Paul S. Bains wrote: >Time Warner had pro-rated a refund for me when this has happened in the >past. I guess I've been fortunate because my cable has never gone out >for an extended time, except when we have a storm or something. It has >been the most reliable internet service I have ever had. A buddy of mine >just switched to DSL (SBC) to save a little money and he hates >it...different for everyone I guess. It shouldn't be; the service should >be consistent. > From bamm at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 2 15:01:57 2004 From: bamm at satx.rr.com (Bamm Visscher) Date: Mon Aug 2 13:49:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Anyone Up For A NTSUG Meeting? Message-ID: <20040802190157.GE21016@syn.bamm.net> I am thinking about making a road trip to Dallas this Saturday for the North Texas Snort Users Group (http://www.ntsug.org/) meeting. Anyone interested in going along? Bammkkkk From bryan.scott at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 15:09:45 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Mon Aug 2 13:54:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Statically compile CRON Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have a stupid appliance that does not allow direct writing to the flash disk. Anyhow, the system builders (Vendor) did not think it was a good idea to include cron or anything like it. Well I need to schedule some Rsync jobs and have no way to schedule them... Well that I know of. The company says that I can place CRON on the unit by putting a statically compiled version under any ole users home dir along with its config files in the same location. Well I have searched everywhere, there does not seem to be lots of info for beginner linux users on statically comipling anything or on CRON installations for that matter. So the question is, where can I look for more info, or can someone enlighten me as to what statically compilig CRON means? Or is there some other utility that I can use that is precompiled? Oh, and I have to compile it on another linux machine, because this one has no compiling capabilities. Confused, Bryan From hstreit at swri.edu Mon Aug 2 15:52:18 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Mon Aug 2 14:37:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Statically compile CRON In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <410E9B72.3020201@swri.edu> As far as the lingo is concerned, a "static" compile means that all the libraries an executable needs are compiled in/with it. Whereas a "dynamic" compile relies on the libraries installed on a system and that they are in a predetermined location (or you can specify where libraries are with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable). A build for a specific "appliance" can usually be a quick and dirty thing. As far as a "cron" daemon, there's different kinds out there, I'd suggest "vixie cron" or something similar to it (it behaves a lot like Solaris' cron daemon). Here's a link to "mcron", a vixie knockoff http://www.gnu.org/software/mcron/ You should be able to just download the source and compile it. Make sure you check the available compile options for the "static" switch ( ./configure --help|less ). Then it should be a simple matter of ./configure --prefix=/path/to/user/cron --enable-static-or-some-such && make && make install P.S: What kinda "appliance" we talking about? It runs Linux, right? :) Bryan Scott wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I have a stupid appliance that does not allow direct writing to the > flash disk. Anyhow, the system builders (Vendor) did not think it was > a good idea to include cron or anything like it. Well I need to > schedule some Rsync jobs and have no way to schedule them... Well that > I know of. The company says that I can place CRON on the unit by > putting a statically compiled version under any ole users home dir > along with its config files in the same location. Well I have searched > everywhere, there does not seem to be lots of info for beginner linux > users on statically comipling anything or on CRON installations for > that matter. So the question is, where can I look for more info, or > can someone enlighten me as to what statically compilig CRON means? Or > is there some other utility that I can use that is precompiled? > > Oh, and I have to compile it on another linux machine, because this > one has no compiling capabilities. > > Confused, > > Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From dubose at texas.net Mon Aug 2 16:37:35 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 15:22:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Attention EOC Computers Team and SATLUGGERS Message-ID: <20040802203734.393AA113565D@mail1.aus.texas.net> The streets in front of the EOC are still toren up...but I have to go down this evening. If anyone wants a walk through and/or tour, please call me on my Cell Phone at 216-9849. I will be at the EOC aboput 18:30. Walt From bryan.scott at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 17:01:19 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Mon Aug 2 15:46:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Statically compile CRON In-Reply-To: <410E9B72.3020201@swri.edu> References: <410E9B72.3020201@swri.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:52:18 -0500, H. Streit wrote: > > As far as the lingo is concerned, a "static" compile means that all > the libraries an executable needs are compiled in/with it. Whereas a > "dynamic" compile relies on the libraries installed on a system and > that they are in a predetermined location (or you can specify where > libraries are with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable). > A build for a specific "appliance" can usually be a quick and dirty thing. > As far as a "cron" daemon, there's different kinds out there, I'd > suggest "vixie cron" or something similar to it (it behaves a lot like > Solaris' cron daemon). Here's a link to "mcron", a vixie knockoff > http://www.gnu.org/software/mcron/ > You should be able to just download the source and compile it. > Make sure you check the available compile options for the "static" > switch ( ./configure --help|less ). > Then it should be a simple matter of > ../configure --prefix=/path/to/user/cron --enable-static-or-some-such > && make && make install > P.S: What kinda "appliance" we talking about? It runs Linux, right? :) > > Thanks for the tips, I am going to try it out here shortly. It is actually a Net Integrator. You can see more about it at http://www.net-itech.com It is running Linux. -Bryan From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 2 17:10:59 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Mon Aug 2 15:53:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php: require, fopen Message-ID: <1091488258.2954.5.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> It seems that there are many ways to embed/include a file in php: fpassthru(), file(), fopen(), include(), require(), virtual(), file_get_contents(). I am putting require(heading.txt) at the top of every html page to include header info such as stylesheet, menu, etc. It is, however, putting a "1" in my page which I take out by using html comment tags. Not a problem, but I am wondering if this will provide consistent behavior. Is require the best thing to use? What about fopen()? Do the files go into a cache, the way .css files do? Has anyone had experience with this, and if so, what are your recommendations? Thanks. -- N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge" --Albert Einstein From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 2 18:07:16 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Mon Aug 2 16:42:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? In-Reply-To: <410E8754.6070805@sbcglobal.net> References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff> <410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> <410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net> <20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> <410E8754.6070805@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1091484437.13460.1.camel@zeus.matrix> They do but on a business conenction.. It's nowhere near the $46.52 for residential service though. RR's Business service at 3M dn./512 up with 5 statics is about $150. according to the last salesperson I spoke to, they offer up to up to 6M symetrical. FIRESTORM_v1 On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 13:26, Michael Sellers wrote: > I've had both rr and sbc dsl. Machs nix to me as far as speed is > concerned. They are both speedy enough for me to do gentoo stage 1 > installs with out a big delay. I have downloaded an iso in ages. SBC > hosts my domain name and gives me 5 ip addresses. I don't think time > warner does anything like that. Well, last I checked, they did not > allow personal servers on their network. > > Mike > > Paul S. Bains wrote: > > >Time Warner had pro-rated a refund for me when this has happened in the > >past. I guess I've been fortunate because my cable has never gone out > >for an extended time, except when we have a storm or something. It has > >been the most reliable internet service I have ever had. A buddy of mine > >just switched to DSL (SBC) to save a little money and he hates > >it...different for everyone I guess. It shouldn't be; the service should > >be consistent. > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From steele at denimgroup.com Mon Aug 2 16:05:10 2004 From: steele at denimgroup.com (Steele Kennett) Date: Mon Aug 2 16:49:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php: require, fopen In-Reply-To: <1091488258.2954.5.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1091488258.2954.5.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <410EBA96.2040502@denimgroup.com> For static includes I recommend using require_once() for performance reasons. Steele Kennett Lead Developer Denim Group, Ltd. 3463 Magic Drive, Suite 315 San Antonio, TX 78229 (210) 572-4400 (210) 582-5810 fax N. David Guarneri wrote: > It seems that there are many ways to embed/include a file in php: > fpassthru(), file(), fopen(), include(), require(), virtual(), > file_get_contents(). I am putting require(heading.txt) at the > top of every html page to include header info such as stylesheet, > menu, etc. It is, however, putting a "1" in my page which I take > out by using html comment tags. Not a problem, but I am wondering > if this will provide consistent behavior. > > Is require the best thing to use? What about fopen()? Do > the files go into a cache, the way .css files do? > Has anyone had experience with this, and if so, what are your > recommendations? Thanks. From weaver at merold.net Tue Aug 3 11:17:19 2004 From: weaver at merold.net (Julian Peterson) Date: Mon Aug 2 17:02:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php: require, fopen In-Reply-To: <1091488258.2954.5.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1091488258.2954.5.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <200408031017.19270.weaver@merold.net> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:10 am NZST, N. David Guarneri wrote: > It seems that there are many ways to embed/include a file in php: > fpassthru(), file(), fopen(), include(), require(), virtual(), > file_get_contents(). I am putting require(heading.txt) at the > top of every html page to include header info such as stylesheet, > menu, etc. It is, however, putting a "1" in my page which I take > out by using html comment tags. Not a problem, but I am wondering > if this will provide consistent behavior. > How are you including it? with something like or require doesn't print a number, but if you've done something like the above, it'll be printing the return code for the require function (ie 1 for success or 0 for failure)... so just take out the print statement. If it's not that, could you provide an example of how you're calling require? > Is require the best thing to use? What about fopen()? Do > the files go into a cache, the way .css files do? > Has anyone had experience with this, and if so, what are your > recommendations? Thanks. maybe use include. require throws an error if the file isn't found and stops processing where include carries on. I tend to use include when it's not critical that the file isn't there (just so my website can at least 1/2 way function if I forget to upload everything =) with fopen you have to open the file, read chunks of data from it, and print them out. fopen is appropriate when you want to do some sort of processing on the file. require/include are appropriate when you want the whole file included in place. Also if you use require/include, the contents of the file is treated like php code, so any code contained will be run as well. As for cache, the resulting page is cached (as your code is executed server-side.. ie the cache never sees the header.txt file, just the result). You can use the zend accelerator (http://zend.com/ costs money) or mmcache (http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/index_old.html free/free) which caches your code, so successive calls to your scripts have little overhead... but in both cases the contents of heading.txt is going to be transmitted for every page that includes it. Julian. -- While you don't greatly need the outside world, it's still very reassuring to know that it's still there. From doug at clickdoug.com Mon Aug 2 18:19:42 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Mon Aug 2 17:05:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone else? References: <01bf01c4774a$332b0880$0200a8c0@jeff><410CCD17.4000004@satx.rr.com> <410CE60D.7090608@sbcglobal.net><20040801095129.22818eef.slacker@satx.rr.com> <410E8754.6070805@sbcglobal.net> <1091484437.13460.1.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <0b5601c478de$cf235a90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> And that is double the cost of SBC Enhanced with 6.0/512 for $89. The story that tells is that they are less interested in business (read servers) than they are with the residential customer. ====================================== Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" ? : They do but on a business conenction.. It's nowhere near the $46.52 for : residential service though. RR's Business service at 3M dn./512 up with : 5 statics is about $150. according to the last salesperson I spoke to, : they offer up to up to 6M symetrical. : : FIRESTORM_v1 From bryan.scott at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 18:24:17 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Mon Aug 2 17:09:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Statically compile CRON In-Reply-To: References: <410E9B72.3020201@swri.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:01:19 -0500, Bryan Scott wrote: > On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:52:18 -0500, H. Streit wrote: > > > > As far as the lingo is concerned, a "static" compile means that all > > the libraries an executable needs are compiled in/with it. Whereas a > > "dynamic" compile relies on the libraries installed on a system and > > that they are in a predetermined location (or you can specify where > > libraries are with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable). > > A build for a specific "appliance" can usually be a quick and dirty thing. > > As far as a "cron" daemon, there's different kinds out there, I'd > > suggest "vixie cron" or something similar to it (it behaves a lot like > > Solaris' cron daemon). Here's a link to "mcron", a vixie knockoff > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mcron/ > > You should be able to just download the source and compile it. > > Make sure you check the available compile options for the "static" > > switch ( ./configure --help|less ). > > Then it should be a simple matter of > > ../configure --prefix=/path/to/user/cron --enable-static-or-some-such > > && make && make install > > P.S: What kinda "appliance" we talking about? It runs Linux, right? :) I tried the Mcron, but it would not work on my system. It wanted guile, which I could not get installed on my RH9 .... Well I got it installed but it was the wrong version. Anyhow, I found a similar package Fcron, but I am bewildered as to what all the configure options mean. I read through the help of Mcron and Fcron, i saw nothing in either that mentioned statically linking. I saw several things talking about changing directories, but from my tiny bit of understanding, this will only change the directories where its files will reside after install. Any more assistance would be appreciated. -Bryan --Bryan From dubose at texas.net Mon Aug 2 18:53:55 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 17:39:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast Message-ID: <20040802225353.BD9D011358F4@mail1.aus.texas.net> Ok, I checked my router and it has Multicast pass through enabled. I'm going out to 239.255.255.250. What are the ramifications and should it be stopped? What is multicast anyway? Walt From hstreit at swri.edu Mon Aug 2 20:13:02 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Mon Aug 2 18:58:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Statically compile CRON In-Reply-To: References: <410E9B72.3020201@swri.edu> Message-ID: <410ED88E.4090806@swri.edu> Bryan Scott wrote: > On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:01:19 -0500, Bryan Scott wrote: > >>On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:52:18 -0500, H. Streit wrote: >> >>> As far as the lingo is concerned, a "static" compile means that all >>>the libraries an executable needs are compiled in/with it. Whereas a >>>"dynamic" compile relies on the libraries installed on a system and >>>that they are in a predetermined location (or you can specify where >>>libraries are with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable). >>>A build for a specific "appliance" can usually be a quick and dirty thing. >>> As far as a "cron" daemon, there's different kinds out there, I'd >>>suggest "vixie cron" or something similar to it (it behaves a lot like >>>Solaris' cron daemon). Here's a link to "mcron", a vixie knockoff >>> http://www.gnu.org/software/mcron/ >>>You should be able to just download the source and compile it. >>>Make sure you check the available compile options for the "static" >>>switch ( ./configure --help|less ). >>> Then it should be a simple matter of >>>../configure --prefix=/path/to/user/cron --enable-static-or-some-such >>>&& make && make install >>> P.S: What kinda "appliance" we talking about? It runs Linux, right? :) > > > I tried the Mcron, but it would not work on my system. It wanted > guile, which I could not get installed on my RH9 .... Well I got it > installed but it was the wrong version. Anyhow, I found a similar > package Fcron, but I am bewildered as to what all the configure > options mean. I read through the help of Mcron and Fcron, i saw > nothing in either that mentioned statically linking. I saw several > things talking about changing directories, but from my tiny bit of > understanding, this will only change the directories where its files > will reside after install. Any more assistance would be appreciated. > > -Bryan > > --Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > In your search for a cron daemon (and there's quite a selection out there, some mimic the BSD-esqness of Slackware, some do their own thing), you might want to find one that mentions a layout like so: /etc/cron.hourly /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.weekly /etc/cron.monthly If the restrictions of the "appliance" won't let a proc operate outside it's home directory, this might be difficult. P.S: I'm a slacker, so you might have better luck with "Dillion's Cron" ( http://freshmeat.net/projects/dcron/ ) P.S.S: I'm heading home tonite, I'll prolly be up hacking away if my DSL hasn't been transfered to my new addy yet. I'll send you my home email addy in a lil bit. From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 2 22:08:01 2004 From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (Matt Valdes) Date: Mon Aug 2 20:57:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast In-Reply-To: <20040802225353.BD9D011358F4@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <000001c478fe$b4dc9dc0$6600a8c0@Compaq> Multimedia services (audio and video) use multicast pass-through. 239.255.255.250 is a class D address, which means it's reserved for multicast (RFC1112). http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl Multicast vulnerability research would be an interesting topic. -Matt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of dubose@texas.net Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:54 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast Ok, I checked my router and it has Multicast pass through enabled. I'm going out to 239.255.255.250. What are the ramifications and should it be stopped? What is multicast anyway? Walt _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From wmail at wricomp.com Mon Aug 2 23:01:19 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:46:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast In-Reply-To: <000001c478fe$b4dc9dc0$6600a8c0@Compaq> References: <20040802225353.BD9D011358F4@mail1.aus.texas.net> <000001c478fe$b4dc9dc0$6600a8c0@Compaq> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:08:01 -0500, "Matt Valdes" wrote: >Multimedia services (audio and video) use multicast pass-through. > >239.255.255.250 is a class D address, which means it's reserved for >multicast (RFC1112). Note also WINS multicast on 224.0.1.24 that announces an MS Virus(tm) OS is ready to receive visitors. Hard to shut off at the source, so I block that IP, along with port 135, at the firewall. --Don -- A well-run network is like the old Alcatraz -- nothing in or out without the Warden's approval, and death for anything that tries. From yatinhat at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 01:40:50 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Tue Aug 3 02:26:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] The latest on RedHat Message-ID: <20040803074050.24694.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> I am watching the stock again. The Wall Street Journal August 3, 2004 Red Hat Jumps Into a New Market Linux Vendor Plans to Offer Application-Server Product, A Niche Served by Ally IBM By ROBERT A. GUTH and MARK BOSLET Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL August 3, 2004; Page B3 Red Hat Inc., the fast-growing Linux vendor, today plans to announce its entry into a new market for business software led by vendors that include International Business Machines Corp., Microsoft Corp. and BEA Systems Inc. The Raleigh, N.C., software maker will begin selling so-called application-server software designed to work with its version of the Linux operating system. The move signals Red Hat's ambition to find growth beyond its core business of selling Linux and services associated with it. Red Hat's new software could add fuel to its fierce competition with Microsoft. Some competitors say it also might create tensions with IBM, which is one of the leading makers of application-server software and also one of Red Hat's largest allies in promoting Linux. Such software is used by businesses to build and run software applications over the Web or corporate networks. Red Hat will announce its product, called Red Hat Application Server, at the LinuxWorld trade show this week in San Francisco. With 69% of the world-wide Linux server market as of 2002, Red Hat is the largest provider of Linux, making its money by selling support contracts, or subscriptions, to accompany its software. That growth has come as Linux -- a so-called open-source software developed by a community of programmers -- has become an increasingly important piece of companies' computing infrastructure. That strength has sparked some criticism from analysts and businesses over what they perceive as a large increase Red Hat's prices last year. "I have heard some grumbling" from customers over Red Hat's prices, says Dan Kusnetzky, vice president of system software research at IDC. But Matthew Szulik, Red Hat's chief executive officer, disputes that the company has raised prices, noting that the average selling price of its software has actually gone down over the past few quarters. Moreover, he adds, the price of an operating system is tiny in comparison to other hardware, software and labor costs companies face. Pricing "is an irrelevant argument," Mr. Szulik said. Mr. Kusnetzky notes that companies such as Hewlett-Packard Co., Dell Inc. and IBM continue to push Red Hat just as hard to their customers, many of whom see Linux-based servers as cheaper alternatives to machines that run the Unix operating system. At Wells Fargo & Co., for instance, the big savings from the ability to use low-cost hardware overshadows the cost of the software. "The numbers just make a lot of sense," says Wells Fargo Executive Vice President Danny Peltz. When it comes to the price of Linux software, "I don't think we think about it in isolation." Competitors, such as Sun Microsystems Inc. President Jonathan Schwartz, argue that the new product will pit Red Hat against some of its allies, such as IBM, which makes a popular application server known as WebSphere. Not so, says Mr. Szulik. He says IBM, BEA, Oracle Corp. and others actually helped Red Hat refine its software so that it will work with theirs. The new Red Hat software is aimed at low-end applications and starts at as low as $85 per computer per month, compared with some high-end application-server software that could cost $75,000 to $100,000 a month. "I think it's a different class of need," Mr. Szulik said. Write to Robert A. Guth at rob.guth@wsj.com1 and Mark Boslet at mark.boslet@dowjones.com2 URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB109148383357580955,00.html From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Tue Aug 3 09:12:06 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Tue Aug 3 07:58:04 2004 Subject: SBC/SSH issues (Was Re: [SATLUG] I finally set up my Road Runnerpage.) Message-ID: Regarding > 15 hour SFTP... I understand what you are saying regarding TCP session timeout and while I have no direct experience of this happening to me (I don't have SBC), you might want to try rsync for your file transfers instead of SFTP. This protocol developed by the SAMBA folks checks files on both sides and only sends (/resends) files or portions of files which are not identical using a hashing comparison. Thus if your rsync transfer aborts after 15 hours and let's say you had 20 hours of data to transmit, your second (re-) transmit would only take about 5 hours. You could actually cron the rsync instead of doing it interactively. Think about it. Othniel Graichen -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of H. Streit Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 2:27 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: SBC/SSH issues (Was Re: [SATLUG] I finally set up my Road Runnerpage.) I have SBC DSL and I have to admit, it's been an Okay ride so far. However, I can't seem to sustain an SSH session to a system for more than 15 hours (using SFTP and trying to backup all my Anime). It's pretty frustrating, and I'm not blaming SBC (after all it could be the three firewalls or the VPN I'm riding the connection thru that's dropping me...). I've tried going the other way (setting up the SSH server on my home box and SSH'ing from my backup machine. Still dies a gruesome death after 15 hours) Anybody know if this is an SBC-thing? joe speigle wrote: >>That's really what I am working on. I already have the LAMP thing >>working, I just need to register with a DNS service. >> >>dyndns.org seems like a pretty good site for DNS services. They have >>redundant DNS servers and dynamic IP addressing. They do the domain >>registration through tucows or something for you. Has anyone >>tried this? > > I have had rr for a month and a half and have NEVER had to reset > my IP address. I'm not running a client. I even disconnected the > cable from the wall and didn't have to send a new IP to the dns > servers. > Pretty amazing, you may not believe it, but it's true :) > >>Also, does anyone have any experience with the custom dns clients? I'm >>looking at UpdateDD since it seems like the most Unix-like tool >>without the overhead from Java or Perl. >> >>I'm only doing this temporarily until I get things working well enough >>to get syncronous DSL, but I'm guessing it's still good to have the >>dynamic service as changing ISP's won't be such a big deal. > > As an addendum, I am getting rid of rr because at odd times, like > after midnight and up to the weehours of them morning > -- when traffic should be LOW, -- i get like seconds of dead time. > Very annoying when you are working remotely. SBC has some slower > download speeds but it's better than that terminal locking I > experience with rr. > > joe > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Tue Aug 3 09:13:51 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Tue Aug 3 07:58:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast Message-ID: <20040803131351.21BA4138CB7A@mail2.aus.texas.net> I don't ever remember seeing this on my TCPDump before I added a LinkSys 5 Port switch. I am blocking multicast at my firewall and its still on the network. My router (gatewat to my broadband modem) xxx.xxx.xxx.1 seems to be sending out the multicast broadcast...xxx.xxx.xxx.1 > 239.255.255.250 Walt > Multimedia services (audio and video) use multicast pass-through. > > 239.255.255.250 is a class D address, which means it's reserved for > multicast (RFC1112). > http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl > > Multicast vulnerability research would be an interesting topic. > > -Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf Of dubose@texas.net > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:54 PM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast > > Ok, I checked my router and it has Multicast pass through enabled. I'm > going out > to 239.255.255.250. > > What are the ramifications and should it be stopped? > > What is multicast anyway? > > Walt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Tue Aug 3 09:23:47 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Tue Aug 3 08:09:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure Message-ID: >> If I DO have home under the root directory, can I move it to by itself...> In a word YES. The next question is do you have an available partition and unpartitioned space on your system's hard drive or a separate disk which you can install in this machine? If so create a file system on the new partition, and then mount it. Next copy your /home to the newly mounted partition. Verify that all hidden files were copied using du. Remove the original /home and all subdirectories. Lastly edit your /etc/fstab using vi to mount your new disk/partition at /home at next reboot. Test everything. That's all there is to it. Fairly simple, huh? Othniel Graichen -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Donn D. Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:37 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] directory structure I have a couple of questions on my directory structure. I know all about directories & subdirectories, I'm just asking what I have... I have a FC2 install, which I let partition/setup how it wanted to. I would prefer to have my /home separate, but it is probably under root I kind of miss Windows Explorer in win98 - very handy to see at a glance what your entire directory structure is. That's about the ONLY thing I liked about win98. Anyway, how do you see the directory tree that you have under linux? I tried "tree" from the command line, but says "command not found". If I DO have home under the root directory, can I move it to by itself...> _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 09:33:54 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Aug 3 08:18:58 2004 Subject: SBC/SSH issues (Was Re: [SATLUG] I finally set up my Road Runnerpage.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277020fc040803063322462f4c@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to butt into the conversation so late, but I noticed you were losing your SSH connection? I had the same problem using a Netgear router - there was something wrong with the firmware that would cause it to drop ssh connections after some time. A firmware upgrade from the manufacturer's website fixed the problem. From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 3 10:38:03 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Tue Aug 3 09:20:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php: require, fopen In-Reply-To: <1091488258.2954.5.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1091488258.2954.5.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1091551083.6551.5.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 16:10, N. David Guarneri wrote: > file_get_contents(). I am putting require(heading.txt) at the > top of every html page to include header info such as stylesheet, > menu, etc. It is, however, putting a "1" in my page which I take Thanks for your help with this issue. As pointed out, I was putting "print" unecessarily in front of require("heading.txt"). I will use require_once as suggested. I do think I prefer requireX because I want it to be obvious if it is not working properly. From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 11:26:37 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:11:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server Message-ID: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> We have a server here running Fedora core 2 with software RAID1 hard drives that mirror each other. I would like to clone the hard drives to an identical server. What's the best way to go about this? Should I put one of the drives from the new server into the box and clone them over? Can this be done over a network? Are there issues regarding the software raid and transporting that to a new box? thanks Sean From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 3 11:31:09 2004 From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (mattvaldes@satx.rr.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:16:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast Message-ID: <725f35722d58.722d58725f35@texas.rr.com> Is it looking for UDP port 1900 at 239.255.255.250? There is a ton of info on the net about this. I'm not yet sure what to make of it.. -Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: dubose@texas.net Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:13 am Subject: RE: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast > I don't ever remember seeing this on my TCPDump before I added a > LinkSys 5 Port > switch. I am blocking multicast at my firewall and its still on > the network. > My router (gatewat to my broadband modem) xxx.xxx.xxx.1 seems to > be sending out > the multicast broadcast...xxx.xxx.xxx.1 > 239.255.255.250 > > Walt From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 3 11:58:08 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:40:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php email ist, strip_tags vs. htmlentities Message-ID: <1091555887.6551.17.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Does anyone know a good PHP+Postgresql email list? I've been reading a lot on the web about magic quotes issues, and how it's now off by default. The php.ini suggests using strip_tags instead. My question is, why would anyone bother with any of this when you can just use htmlentities? A #039 (quote) and < (less than) will always be #039 and < no matter what. The only reason I see is if you want to store formatted text in the database, but to me it's just not worth the hassle. -- N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge" --Albert Einstein From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Aug 3 11:58:57 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:44:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1091548738.1109.206.camel@laptop> If you have two identical hardware platforms, just take the secondary drive from the first machine's RAID and put it in the second as Master. Add a new hard drive to each machine as the secondary for the RAID and step back as each machine rebuilds the RAID to the secondary drive. Then, you're cloned! If you have different hardware though, it might not work. Depends on what is different. If its just simple things like the NIC, sound card, or externals -- no problem. The new machine will detect them on boot and configure. If its the video card, your GUI won't work until you reconfigure XWindows. If its the processors, don't worry unless you've changed the number of processors or type (Intel to AMD, P-III to P-IV, etc...). If you want to do it across a network, its a lot more involved. You would have to load and get the second machine running first. Hook it to the network and use NFS to share the filesystems. Then start copying each partition over with cp -ap. I've done something similar when upgrading a hard drive to a larger one. And it can be problematic. Easier to do it the hard drive swap method. Chuck On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 10:26, Sean Carolan wrote: > We have a server here running Fedora core 2 with software RAID1 hard > drives that mirror each other. > > I would like to clone the hard drives to an identical server. What's > the best way to go about this? Should I put one of the drives from > the new server into the box and clone them over? Can this be done > over a network? Are there issues regarding the software raid and > transporting that to a new box? > > thanks > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 12:47:29 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Aug 3 11:32:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <1091548738.1109.206.camel@laptop> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> <1091548738.1109.206.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <277020fc040803094716075e9f@mail.gmail.com> > If you want to do it across a network, its a lot more involved. You > would have to load and get the second machine running first. Hook it to > the network and use NFS to share the filesystems. Then start copying > each partition over with cp -ap. I've done something similar when > upgrading a hard drive to a larger one. And it can be problematic. > Easier to do it the hard drive swap method. > > Chuck Chuck: Thanks for all the helpful info. The company is ordering a server with identical hardware so that the drive-swap method will be easier. Here's the thing I'm worried about though - these drives are set up using software raid. Will this cause problems? Can I just pull one drive in the old server and replace it with a blank, identical drive and let it rebuild itself on boot? I've never done this on a Redhat/Fedora system (or any system for that matter) so I want to proceed with caution. thanks Sean From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Aug 3 12:48:40 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Aug 3 11:33:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Multicast In-Reply-To: from "Don Wright" at Aug 02, 2004 10:01:19 PM Message-ID: <200408031648.i73GmeHt012045@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Is there any service provider in SA that has multicast enabled? I don't get it on roadrunner. It wouldbe cool to have, so I can video conference with the University. We have it at UTHSCSA. -Borries From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Aug 3 14:33:46 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Aug 3 13:18:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <277020fc040803094716075e9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> <1091548738.1109.206.camel@laptop> <277020fc040803094716075e9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1091558028.1105.272.camel@laptop> Caution is understandable Sean. If the current server was built properly in the beginning, there should be a swap partition on each of the two software RAIDed drives. You can tell this when you look in the /etc/fstab file -- it should show two swap partitions -- one on each drive. That is a necessity to keep the machine running if the primary drive fails. If the only swap is on the primary drive and it flakes out -- the server is gonna crash anyway. The only good thing in that case is you haven't lost your data (its on the secondary drive). So, if the RAID was built right and there are a swap on each drive -- you're set. Move the secondary drive to the primary of the new machine. Install identical new drives into each machine as the secondary. Boot a Knoppix CD. Partition each secondary hard drive identical to the primary. Create the filesystems on the Linux partitions and mkswap the new swap partitions. Then, merely reboot each machine. The software RAID will recognize there is a new drive as RAID secondary with nothing on it. It will then rebuild the secondary as a mirror to the primary. But don't plan on doing this in a time crunch. When I did it, it took the system 8+ hours to rebuild a new 40Gig secondary drive from the primary. There was only 5.5Gig of data which took 45 minutes to copy from one drive to another when I upgraded to the primary 40Gig drive. But apparently the RAID software copies EVERY sector from primary to secondary (whether it has data or not). So, plan appropriately if you have large drives. Give a shout if you need any help Sean. But to tell you the truth -- I found all this information on the Internet. Use www.google.com/linux. Or give me a shout direct if you can't find it. I'll have to go search some back favorite files, but I can probably find the URLs. Chuck On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 11:47, Sean Carolan wrote: > > If you want to do it across a network, its a lot more involved. You > > would have to load and get the second machine running first. Hook it to > > the network and use NFS to share the filesystems. Then start copying > > each partition over with cp -ap. I've done something similar when > > upgrading a hard drive to a larger one. And it can be problematic. > > Easier to do it the hard drive swap method. > > > > Chuck > > Chuck: > > Thanks for all the helpful info. The company is ordering a server > with identical hardware so that the drive-swap method will be easier. > Here's the thing I'm worried about though - these drives are set up > using software raid. Will this cause problems? Can I just pull one > drive in the old server and replace it with a blank, identical drive > and let it rebuild itself on boot? I've never done this on a > Redhat/Fedora system (or any system for that matter) so I want to > proceed with caution. > > thanks > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Aug 3 14:41:14 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Aug 3 13:26:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <277020fc040803094716075e9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> <1091548738.1109.206.camel@laptop> <277020fc040803094716075e9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1091558476.1105.276.camel@laptop> Oh, I should have mentioned Sean. After you get your new server built and both servers rebuild their new secondary hard drive -- don't plug them into the network. You first have to go into the new machine and change its hostname, IP address, Samba name, and anything else unique to that machine. If you plug them both in before making the changes -- it will cause some very wierd problems! Chuck On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 11:47, Sean Carolan wrote: > > If you want to do it across a network, its a lot more involved. You > > would have to load and get the second machine running first. Hook it to > > the network and use NFS to share the filesystems. Then start copying > > each partition over with cp -ap. I've done something similar when > > upgrading a hard drive to a larger one. And it can be problematic. > > Easier to do it the hard drive swap method. > > > > Chuck > > Chuck: > > Thanks for all the helpful info. The company is ordering a server > with identical hardware so that the drive-swap method will be easier. > Here's the thing I'm worried about though - these drives are set up > using software raid. Will this cause problems? Can I just pull one > drive in the old server and replace it with a blank, identical drive > and let it rebuild itself on boot? I've never done this on a > Redhat/Fedora system (or any system for that matter) so I want to > proceed with caution. > > thanks > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 15:24:17 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Aug 3 14:09:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <1091558028.1105.272.camel@laptop> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> <1091548738.1109.206.camel@laptop> <1091558028.1105.272.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <277020fc040803122418c621f7@mail.gmail.com> Chuck: Thank you so much for the help. When I originally partitioned the hard drives I made separate partitions on each of the drives for boot, swap, and root. I then mirrored them so that /etc/fstab shows them each as their own block device. So when you boot the machine up and look at /etc/fstab it looks like this: /dev/md2 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/md0 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 So did I make a mistake here? I followed this guy's tutorial: http://www.aplawrence.com/Linux/softmirror.html But maybe he had the wrong info on there. . . I don't have two swap partitions as you mentioned. From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Aug 3 15:55:42 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Aug 3 14:40:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <277020fc040803122418c621f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> <1091548738.1109.206.camel@laptop> <1091558028.1105.272.camel@laptop> <277020fc040803122418c621f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1091562944.1109.284.camel@laptop> Actually, you do have two swaps. If you look at that output, it shows /dev/md1 as swap. So, apparently you've RAID'ed the swap partitions. Although I've never heard of doing that, I can't see any reason why not. It MIGHT result in a very tiny performance hit as it writes swap info to both drives -- but if detectable, it would not be worth mentioning. You have three RAID devices: md0, md1, and md2 cooresponding to swap, /boot, and /root. That cloning method I mentioned should work just fine. Just be sure you put in identical drives as the two new secondary drives and partition them exactly the same as the primary drives. Chuck On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 14:24, Sean Carolan wrote: > Chuck: > > Thank you so much for the help. When I originally partitioned the > hard drives I made separate partitions on each of the drives for boot, > swap, and root. I then mirrored them so that /etc/fstab shows them > each as their own block device. So when you boot the machine up and > look at /etc/fstab it looks like this: > > /dev/md2 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > /dev/md0 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > So did I make a mistake here? I followed this guy's tutorial: > > http://www.aplawrence.com/Linux/softmirror.html > > But maybe he had the wrong info on there. . . I don't have two swap > partitions as you mentioned. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 16:05:36 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Aug 3 14:50:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <277020fc040803122418c621f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc040803122418c621f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f040803130559276e0a@mail.gmail.com> Uh, call this a stupid question, but I thought you couldn't boot from a software RAID partition? On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:24:17 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > Chuck: > > Thank you so much for the help. When I originally partitioned the > hard drives I made separate partitions on each of the drives for boot, > swap, and root. I then mirrored them so that /etc/fstab shows them > each as their own block device. So when you boot the machine up and > look at /etc/fstab it looks like this: > > /dev/md2 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > /dev/md0 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > So did I make a mistake here? I followed this guy's tutorial: > > http://www.aplawrence.com/Linux/softmirror.html > > But maybe he had the wrong info on there. . . I don't have two swap > partitions as you mentioned. > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Aug 3 16:21:41 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Aug 3 15:06:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040803130559276e0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc040803122418c621f7@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f040803130559276e0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1091564503.1105.291.camel@laptop> I'm trying to remember Jeremy, but I seem to remember that the system I put together had two RAID devices -- md0 and md1 which were /boot and /. The swap on each drive was mounted separately and showed as two swap devices in the /etc/fstab. Combined with the information below showing that Sean *IS* booting from a RAID device -- it must work! Chuck On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 15:05, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Uh, call this a stupid question, but I thought you couldn't boot from > a software RAID partition? > > > On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:24:17 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Chuck: > > > > Thank you so much for the help. When I originally partitioned the > > hard drives I made separate partitions on each of the drives for boot, > > swap, and root. I then mirrored them so that /etc/fstab shows them > > each as their own block device. So when you boot the machine up and > > look at /etc/fstab it looks like this: > > > > /dev/md2 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > > /dev/md0 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > > none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > > /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > > > So did I make a mistake here? I followed this guy's tutorial: > > > > http://www.aplawrence.com/Linux/softmirror.html > > > > But maybe he had the wrong info on there. . . I don't have two swap > > partitions as you mentioned. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 3 16:47:14 2004 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert Lochli) Date: Tue Aug 3 15:35:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] I finally set up my Road Runner page. References: <1090903107.2085.11.camel@patty.sebastian> <4107BB85.1080809@swri.edu> Message-ID: <411015F2.BF03752A@satx.rr.com> Set bgcolor="000004" in the first line of body. This makes a slightly cream rather than whote page and eases eyestrain. BiigAl "H. Streit" wrote: > > "Ahh, black text on a white background! My eyes!!" > /me drops to floor after slapping hands over smoldering eye-sockets > "Damn, maybe our ergonomics guy had something about turning on the > lights in the lab every once in a while..." > /me twitches slightly. > > Just kidding. I guess this is my motiviation to setup my SBC/Yahoo > DSL site now, eh? :) > > David Guarneri wrote: > > I finally set up my Road Runner page. I didn't even know I could get > > one until someone at work mentioned it. It's at > > http://home.satx.rr.com/ndavidg/ . It was a pain to set up, and I used > > the page to compain about it. It's meant to be funny; though I don't > > think the rr people will agree. > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 3 17:08:06 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Tue Aug 3 15:51:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] I finally set up my Road Runner page. In-Reply-To: <411015F2.BF03752A@satx.rr.com> References: <1090903107.2085.11.camel@patty.sebastian> <4107BB85.1080809@swri.edu> <411015F2.BF03752A@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1091574486.6553.26.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 15:47, Albert Lochli wrote: > Set bgcolor="000004" in the first line of body. This makes a slightly > cream rather than whote page and eases eyestrain. > > BiigAl If you look at the source, I don't even have tags. That's because I did it on a whim and it took me less than five minutes. Personally, I prefer to use stylesheets, and in the new site I am setting up, the user will have the ability to choose his/her preferred color/style theme. In the back end, the database will remember the user's preffered stylesheet. Perhaps he can even create one if he wishes, although this is a bit of a tangent from the more important tasks. Stylesheets make for much cleaner code and less clutter, which is why I like them. You can also change the whole site from one look to another without much hassle. From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 3 19:12:54 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Tue Aug 3 17:48:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Cloning a server In-Reply-To: <1091562944.1109.284.camel@laptop> References: <277020fc04080308261417e660@mail.gmail.com> <1091548738.1109.206.camel@laptop> <1091558028.1105.272.camel@laptop> <277020fc040803122418c621f7@mail.gmail.com> <1091562944.1109.284.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1091574775.19857.1.camel@zeus.matrix> On the subject of cloning a server, wouldn't the following work too? 1: On a single drive installation, install new drive as hdb 2: Boot off of a linux CD (LNX-BBC works, so does Knoppix) 3: cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb or dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb FIRESTORM_v1 On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 14:55, Chuck wrote: > Actually, you do have two swaps. > > If you look at that output, it shows /dev/md1 as swap. So, apparently > you've RAID'ed the swap partitions. Although I've never heard of doing > that, I can't see any reason why not. It MIGHT result in a very tiny > performance hit as it writes swap info to both drives -- but if > detectable, it would not be worth mentioning. > > You have three RAID devices: md0, md1, and md2 cooresponding to swap, > /boot, and /root. That cloning method I mentioned should work just > fine. Just be sure you put in identical drives as the two new secondary > drives and partition them exactly the same as the primary drives. > > > Chuck > > > > > On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 14:24, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Chuck: > > > > Thank you so much for the help. When I originally partitioned the > > hard drives I made separate partitions on each of the drives for boot, > > swap, and root. I then mirrored them so that /etc/fstab shows them > > each as their own block device. So when you boot the machine up and > > look at /etc/fstab it looks like this: > > > > /dev/md2 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > > /dev/md0 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > > none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > > /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > > > So did I make a mistake here? I followed this guy's tutorial: > > > > http://www.aplawrence.com/Linux/softmirror.html > > > > But maybe he had the wrong info on there. . . I don't have two swap > > partitions as you mentioned. > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From joe.speigle at jklh.us Tue Aug 3 19:18:21 2004 From: joe.speigle at jklh.us (joseph speigle) Date: Tue Aug 3 18:40:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php email ist, strip_tags vs. htmlentities In-Reply-To: <1091555887.6551.17.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com>; from dguarneri@satx.rr.com on Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 10:58:08AM -0700 References: <1091555887.6551.17.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <20040803181821.A3568@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 10:58:08AM -0700, N. David Guarneri wrote: > Does anyone know a good PHP+Postgresql email list? It's mostlya php-mysql world. The others on this list may point you in the right direction. I can suggest, though, not using the mysql_* functions rather use the PEAR::DB class. To migrate your app to PG would only require changing the DSN. > > I've been reading a lot on the web about magic quotes issues, and how > it's now off by default. The php.ini suggests using strip_tags instead. > My question is, why would anyone bother with any of this when you can > just use htmlentities? A #039 (quote) and < (less than) will always > be #039 and < no matter what. The only reason I see is if you want to > store formatted text in the database, but to me it's just not worth the > hassle. The thing there with magic_quotes isn't having to do with html entities, it has to do with escaping single quotes. It doesn't matter if you insert < into the database. You can't insert single quotes into a sql db as that's the string sterminator. You the programmer have to use 'stripslashes' as you pull out and addslashes as you put into the database. > -- > N. David Guarneri > "Imagination is more important than knowledge" --Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chmimsjr at earthlink.net Tue Aug 3 22:45:42 2004 From: chmimsjr at earthlink.net (Charles Mims) Date: Tue Aug 3 21:30:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] windows & linux sharing printer In-Reply-To: <410D6F9C.5020804@urdirect.net> References: <410D6F9C.5020804@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <1091587542.24332.16.camel@fedora.ibmpeers> On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 17:33, Donn D. wrote: > I have a HP printer directly connected to my FC2 machine. I also have a > win2k machine in the same room, with no printer connected to it. I have > a DHCP router with my FC2 box connected to it. I also have a cable to > my win2k box, however I almost always leave it disconnected from the > back on the win box because I don't trust windows and the internet. > > Occasionally, I want to print something from my windows machine. I have > better luck with print options (driver) on windows - print quality > choices, 2-sided printing choice, etc etc. I have none of those choices > under linux. > > So, if I have something on my FC2 machine that I want to print from my > win2k machine, I would have to use samba. I'm pretty sure I have samba > installed. How do you start it or test if its installed, or is it > started automatically? I usually log on my win2k machine as > Administrator, and log on my linux machine as my user name, donn. Do I > need to be "on" both machines as the same name? > To start Samba from FC2 go to Menu>System Settings>Server Settings>Services then scroll down to smb(Samba), check it, and select Start: Save if you want to have Samba start up on boot-up. You will need to edit smb.conf to set your domain(workgroup) name to the same as the Windows machine. At that point you can start the FC printing tool and ask it to find the Windows printer with luck it will see it-assuming the Windows machine is running and can share its printer. I would strongly encourage reading about Samba. With a little practice you can have Linux and Windows networking almost seamlessly. > According to some googling I did, I may need to uncomment some things in > smb.conf. > > If I want to share/print something between boxes, I would connect the > network cable to my win2k box. But other than that, I leave my win > machine disconnected all the time for security. > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Wed Aug 4 00:55:55 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (David Guarneri) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:49:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php email ist, strip_tags vs. htmlentities In-Reply-To: <20040803181821.A3568@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> References: <1091555887.6551.17.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <20040803181821.A3568@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: <1091602555.6764.13.camel@patty.sebastian> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 16:18, joseph speigle wrote: > On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 10:58:08AM -0700, N. David Guarneri wrote: > > Does anyone know a good PHP+Postgresql email list? > It's mostlya php-mysql world. The others on this list may point you in the right direction. I can suggest, though, not using the mysql_* functions rather use the PEAR::DB class. To migrate your app to PG would only require changing the DSN. > > > > I've been reading a lot on the web about magic quotes issues, and how > > it's now off by default. The php.ini suggests using strip_tags instead. > > My question is, why would anyone bother with any of this when you can > > just use htmlentities? A #039 (quote) and < (less than) will always > > be #039 and < no matter what. The only reason I see is if you want to > > store formatted text in the database, but to me it's just not worth the > > hassle. > The thing there with magic_quotes isn't having to do with html entities, > it has to do with escaping single quotes. It doesn't matter if you > insert < into the database. You can't insert single quotes into a sql db > as that's the string sterminator. You the programmer have to use 'stripslashes' > as you pull out and addslashes as you put into the database. > > -- Thanks for your response. If you use htmlentities($string, ENT_QUOTES), it will convert both double and single quotes. I would rather avoid using slashes, as you can end up with \\\\\\\\' in some cases. It also prevents people from inserting stuff like