From snafu at urdirect.net Thu Jul 1 00:07:13 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Wed Jun 30 23:21:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] grip has lost its grip In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04063018434dfc236b@mail.gmail.com> References: <40E3624B.6060102@urdirect.net> <79ec289f04063018434dfc236b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40E38DF1.4030303@urdirect.net> I didn't realize that k3b had rip capability. I tried out ripping one song from a CD (to .wav), but it seems the same thing is happening. The process seems to go normally, but when I play the ripped .wav, there is just a click then silence - even though xmms appears to be playing it. I don't know how ripping got screwed up. As I said before, I ripped a few of my CDs into .wavs, and then burned the songs with k3b without problem. Now I can't even rip into anything anymore. The only thing I've done to my machine since ripping successfully, was to install mysql yesterday (yum install mysql). Then I tried to make a startup script to get the sql server running (it still doesn't work - but that will be another post to this list if necessary). How could that have messed up my rip capability? I don't remember screwing around with anything else on this machine... Jeremy Mann wrote: >K3B has a rip function. I too fought hand over fist with GRIP before >dumping it so you're not alone ;) > > >On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:00:59 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > > >>Sorry but I have another kind of unimportant question. Coming from over >>10 years of windoze, and finally dumping it for good - for linux - I am >>having some small problems regarding trivial, everyday, home-user type >>stuff. The latest problem is grip. I am a long-time CDex user under >>windoze (definately a great program - CDex not windoze) and using grip >>is a bit different. >> >>I have ripped & burned several of my CDs already using grip - and got >>great results. However, I chose the option "rip only". So therefore, >>it ripped to .wavs and then I burned the .wavs to blank CDs using k3b. >>So far so good. But, when I choose to rip & encode, it goes through the >>rip process, and the Encode status bar just isn't doing anything. So >>after the ripping is finished, the Encode status bar finally starts >>moving, but it goes Idle before it is 1% done. What is on my hard drive >>after this is .wav files. However, they won't play. When xmms tries to >>play them, it displays 0 kbps and no sound is playing. >> >>So the problem is something with my rip and/or encode settings. Note: >>I did successfully rip one CD at the beginning using grip & oggenc, and >>it worked great. Unfortunately, I did something to one ot the command >>lines maybe, and now it no longer encodes (neither mp3s or oggs). >> >>Here's some copy & pastes of my Grip config: >> >>ripper executable: /usr/bin/cdparanoia >>rip command-line: -d %c %t:[.%s]-%t:[.%e] %w >>rip file format: ~/Music/%A/1968/%d/%n.wav >> >>encoder executable: /usr/bin/oggenc >>encoder command-line: -o %m -a %a -l %d -t %n -N %t -G %G -d %y -q 6 %w >>encode file extension: ogg >>encode file format: ~/Music/%A/1968/%d/%n.ogg >> >>I did NOT change anything that I remember in the Rip section (except for >>the file format). I DID change a few things in the encoder command >>line. First, I tried a -b switch for the bitrate, but then I took it >>back out. I think the -q was 4 when first installed, but you can see I >>changed it to 6. Besides that, I thought it is still the same as after >>it was installed. Apparantly not, since I somehow broke it. >> >>I just want to rip & burn my CD collection quickly. I don't really want >>a full-featured ripper like grip with all the switches to fool with. >>Too bad Sound Juicer doesn't let you set quality, because I like it >>better. Its default quality is average to low (q 3) I think. >> >>Anyway, thanks for any tips on getting grip working again. >> >>Donn >> >> >> > > From rct at gherkin.frus.com Thu Jul 1 00:51:43 2004 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Wed Jun 30 23:37:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com> "from Jeremy Mann at Jun 30, 2004 09:03:14 pm" Message-ID: <20040701045143.5B810DBDE@gherkin.frus.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > So my question is, is anybody out there using a 2.6.x kernel on one of > their production servers? My primary home machine doesn't really qualify as a production server, but it *is* my primary gotta-be-up-24x7-or-all-heck-breaks-loose machine. Some of the 2.5.x kernels were a bit dodgy, but so far, no problems with any of the 2.6 kernels. Beware the new 4K stack feature and passing kernel function parameters in registers if you are using binary-only modules (NVIDIA driver, Linuxant driverloader product, etc.): leave CONFIG_REGPARM and CONFIG_4KSTACKS undefined if you don't want things to break. Study the 2.6 "Halloween" document and release notes for other potential "gotchas", but I don't recall anything of major impact other than the two features in the previous paragraph. Consider my "vote" a solid "go for it." One of the more interesting 2.6 features is a configurable syslog buffer (the size): this allows for storing as much (or as little) of the boot time output as you wish until syslogd/klogd is up and running. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jul 1 07:37:44 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (afcasta@texas.net) Date: Thu Jul 1 06:23:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernel on production servers Message-ID: <20040701113744.532EA1B61885@mail1.aus1.texas.net> Jeremy Mann queried: [...] > is anybody out there using a 2.6.x kernel on one of > their production servers? Not yet in production, but one of my dev boxen is running Oracle 10g on kernel 2.6.6 and doing well... I did notice that with kernel tuning [1] Oracle's SQL queries run a tad quicker on the same box than with the 2.4 kernels, but we haven't really stress tested this server yet. [1] standard Oracle specified shared memory and semaphores tweaks that they've been specifying back to their 7.3.3 version. Al Castanoli From kell at spoonix.com Thu Jul 1 08:25:16 2004 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Thu Jul 1 06:45:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com>; from jeremymann@gmail.com on Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 09:03:14PM -0500 References: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20040701072516.A32470@inverness.spoonix.com> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 09:03:14PM -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > We just received a ULB dual Opteron to replace our aging web/email > server. It uses a Silicon Image SATA device and those drivers are only > available in the 2.6 series of kernels. I'm using it with 2.4.24 at the moment on my home system.... the siimage driver by Arne Hedrick is available for anything since the later 2.4.X kernels. > So my question is, is anybody out there using a 2.6.x kernel on one of > their production servers? I believe that a couple of other departments at work are using 2.6 on their systems (database systems) to try and squeeze some extra performance out of the scheduler changes. My group is going to start doing QA testing on deploying our new firewalls with a 2.6 kernel today. But we're holding off using it for production on other systems namely because of the fact that IT people tend to be pretty conservative in adopting new versions of anything and get cranky when uptimes are threatened. :) -- K. Spoon From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 08:09:04 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jul 1 06:55:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <20040701072516.A32470@inverness.spoonix.com> References: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com> <20040701072516.A32470@inverness.spoonix.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f040701050974a0e5bf@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:25:16 -0500, K. Spoon wrote: > I'm using it with 2.4.24 at the moment on my home system.... the siimage > driver by Arne Hedrick is available for anything since the later 2.4.X > kernels. Are these the SATA drivers or raid drivers? From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 08:11:17 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jul 1 06:57:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] grip has lost its grip In-Reply-To: <40E38DF1.4030303@urdirect.net> References: <40E3624B.6060102@urdirect.net> <40E38DF1.4030303@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f04070105113a5349da@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:07:13 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > > I didn't realize that k3b had rip capability. I tried out ripping one > song from a CD (to .wav), but it seems the same thing is happening. The > process seems to go normally, but when I play the ripped .wav, there is > just a click then silence - even though xmms appears to be playing it. Do you get the same problem when doing it manually? Rip one track to wav, then in a console compress with oggenc. From kell at spoonix.com Thu Jul 1 09:14:54 2004 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Thu Jul 1 07:35:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040701050974a0e5bf@mail.gmail.com>; from jeremymann@gmail.com on Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 07:09:04AM -0500 References: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com> <20040701072516.A32470@inverness.spoonix.com> <79ec289f040701050974a0e5bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20040701081454.A351@inverness.spoonix.com> On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 07:09:04AM -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:25:16 -0500, K. Spoon wrote: > > > I'm using it with 2.4.24 at the moment on my home system.... the siimage > > driver by Arne Hedrick is available for anything since the later 2.4.X > > kernels. > > Are these the SATA drivers or raid drivers? I've just got one SATA drive in the box, so I'm just using plain-jane IDE... no RAID. -- K. Spoon From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Thu Jul 1 09:02:57 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jul 1 07:48:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernel on production servers In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04063016156bc5a007@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04063016156bc5a007@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1088686977.4652.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 18:15, Jeremy Mann wrote: > We just received a ULB dual Opteron to replace our aging web/email > server. It uses a Silicon Image SATA device and those drivers are only > available in the 2.6 series of kernels. I've been experimenting with > the 2.6 kernels on my laptop and while they work, I'm worried that > I'll see stability issues when the system is fully operational. > > So my question is, is anybody out there using a 2.6.x kernel on one of > their production servers? Jeremy: We are using the 2.6 kernel with Fedora Core 2 on our ltsp server here at Medical Resource USA. We also have SATA drives and had to use this kernel in order to get them working. No crashes or kernel panics so far, and we've had it running more or less continuously for nearly 3 months, with up to 10 concurrent users. From erich at thinkspark.com Thu Jul 1 09:29:10 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Thu Jul 1 08:18:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: 2.6 Kernel on production servers In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04063016156bc5a007@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04063016156bc5a007@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1088688550.18037.9.camel@localhost> While not a "production" system per se, my workstation has been a running 2.6.x for a little while without a hiccup. In addition to being my desktop machine, it's running MySQL/Apache2/Courier-IMAP and various other services. Other than some NVidia tweakage, the transition from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6 has thankfully been a non-event. Desktop responsiveness has increased noticably, though! As an added bonus (to me, at least), the new 'make xconfig' interface is easier to navigate when it comes time to play with kernels. Thanks, Eric Hobbs On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 18:15, Jeremy Mann wrote: [cut] > > So my question is, is anybody out there using a 2.6.x kernel on one of > their production servers? > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Thu Jul 1 09:46:27 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Thu Jul 1 08:32:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] grip has lost its grip Message-ID: <8C3F94E7D77CD44B877E77DAEEF7911A07F6B5@amedmlsatx02.amed.ds.army.mil> Regarding Grip mal? function... Unlike the windows approach to software, Linux and its predecessors depend less on DLL type technology (we call them shared objects w/ extension .so) and depend more on binary .EXE type technology. For example, both xcdroast and k3b are GUI cd burning software utilities, but neither application has linked into its executable any code (nor any DLL dependency) for CD burning or CD-RW drive interfacing! Instead they depend on a command line application which performs the CD burning function (called cdrecord) and that program uses the interface to the CD-RW drive configured in your running kernel. Let me say it another way. You can install both the k3b application and xcdroast but if cdrecord is not also installed, you won't be burning any disks. In addition, if your CD-RW drive is configured as a CD-ROM drive in your kernel, you may have all the required application software installed/available, but it won't work because you don't have the device configured correctly. Notice that I don't say "device driver" as that is Windows mentality thinking. With Linux you do not go out and get drivers for some new hardware that you found on sale. Instead a particular Linux kernel supports some set of hardware devices (either embedded directly or via modules) and you must either configure your device as one of those supported devices or else go get a different kernel which does. Those are the only options for non-programmers. Ok, great so you know/understand that already. What's all this got to do with grip? Again, remember that grip and k3b are just the GUI front-end for other software -- other programs that you have on your computer. As you listed/provided in your grip config, a command line program, /usr/bin/cdparanoia does the wav file creation. Since you happen to have that program installed, that part of the setup works. However, now you want to encode MP3 files. Ok which encoder do you want to use? Notice how many encoders grip recognizes. You can only use those audio encoders which you actually have installed on your computer. They don't cost money. You just have to install them. Notice the format string labelled rip command-line. Depending on the encoder you wish to use options on the command-line which grip runs to convert the .wav file to an encoded/compressed music file will vary. The manual page, or man page for each encoder tell what the various options do for that encoder. Thus even though you have a nice GUI, you have to configure the command-line options to specify what you want. In your example, you apparently selected or defaulted to using oggenc. What that means is that instead of creating MP3 format files, your wav files are going to be converted to .ogg file format. Thus the CD that you burn with all these songs will contain a bunch of .ogg files. I'm saying this only for clarity not that ogg isn't a wonderful and open format. What other audio encoders have you installed? Are you ok with the fidelity of MP3 and ogg? Do you need to install other/more encoders? Is that what you are asking? Let me know if that helps. Othniel Graichen -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Donn D. Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:07 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] grip has lost its grip I didn't realize that k3b had rip capability. I tried out ripping one song from a CD (to .wav), but it seems the same thing is happening. The process seems to go normally, but when I play the ripped .wav, there is just a click then silence - even though xmms appears to be playing it. I don't know how ripping got screwed up. As I said before, I ripped a few of my CDs into .wavs, and then burned the songs with k3b without problem. Now I can't even rip into anything anymore. The only thing I've done to my machine since ripping successfully, was to install mysql yesterday (yum install mysql). Then I tried to make a startup script to get the sql server running (it still doesn't work - but that will be another post to this list if necessary). How could that have messed up my rip capability? I don't remember screwing around with anything else on this machine... Jeremy Mann wrote: >K3B has a rip function. I too fought hand over fist with GRIP before >dumping it so you're not alone ;) > > >On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:00:59 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > > >>Sorry but I have another kind of unimportant question. Coming from >>over 10 years of windoze, and finally dumping it for good - for linux >>- I am having some small problems regarding trivial, everyday, >>home-user type stuff. The latest problem is grip. I am a long-time >>CDex user under windoze (definately a great program - CDex not >>windoze) and using grip is a bit different. >> >>I have ripped & burned several of my CDs already using grip - and got >>great results. However, I chose the option "rip only". So therefore, >>it ripped to .wavs and then I burned the .wavs to blank CDs using k3b. >>So far so good. But, when I choose to rip & encode, it goes through >>the rip process, and the Encode status bar just isn't doing anything. >>So after the ripping is finished, the Encode status bar finally starts >>moving, but it goes Idle before it is 1% done. What is on my hard >>drive after this is .wav files. However, they won't play. When xmms >>tries to play them, it displays 0 kbps and no sound is playing. >> >>So the problem is something with my rip and/or encode settings. Note: >>I did successfully rip one CD at the beginning using grip & oggenc, >>and it worked great. Unfortunately, I did something to one ot the >>command lines maybe, and now it no longer encodes (neither mp3s or >>oggs). >> >>Here's some copy & pastes of my Grip config: >> >>ripper executable: /usr/bin/cdparanoia >>rip command-line: -d %c %t:[.%s]-%t:[.%e] %w >>rip file format: ~/Music/%A/1968/%d/%n.wav >> >>encoder executable: /usr/bin/oggenc >>encoder command-line: -o %m -a %a -l %d -t %n -N %t -G %G -d %y -q 6 >>%w encode file extension: ogg encode file format: >>~/Music/%A/1968/%d/%n.ogg >> >>I did NOT change anything that I remember in the Rip section (except >>for the file format). I DID change a few things in the encoder >>command line. First, I tried a -b switch for the bitrate, but then I >>took it back out. I think the -q was 4 when first installed, but you >>can see I changed it to 6. Besides that, I thought it is still the >>same as after it was installed. Apparantly not, since I somehow broke >>it. >> >>I just want to rip & burn my CD collection quickly. I don't really >>want a full-featured ripper like grip with all the switches to fool >>with. Too bad Sound Juicer doesn't let you set quality, because I like >>it better. Its default quality is average to low (q 3) I think. >> >>Anyway, thanks for any tips on getting grip working again. >> >>Donn >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 10:11:27 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jul 1 08:57:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernel on production servers In-Reply-To: <1088686977.4652.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <79ec289f04063016156bc5a007@mail.gmail.com> <1088686977.4652.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <79ec289f04070107111e6a5069@mail.gmail.com> Oh that is good to hear because the old server is something we *have* to have working at all times. On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 08:02:57 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 18:15, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > We just received a ULB dual Opteron to replace our aging web/email > > server. It uses a Silicon Image SATA device and those drivers are only > > available in the 2.6 series of kernels. I've been experimenting with > > the 2.6 kernels on my laptop and while they work, I'm worried that > > I'll see stability issues when the system is fully operational. > > > > So my question is, is anybody out there using a 2.6.x kernel on one of > > their production servers? > > Jeremy: > > We are using the 2.6 kernel with Fedora Core 2 on our ltsp server here > at Medical Resource USA. We also have SATA drives and had to use this > kernel in order to get them working. No crashes or kernel panics so > far, and we've had it running more or less continuously for nearly 3 > months, with up to 10 concurrent users. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From edcoates at nighthawk.dyndns.org Thu Jul 1 10:39:08 2004 From: edcoates at nighthawk.dyndns.org (Ed Coates) Date: Thu Jul 1 09:25:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gFTP and Multithreading Message-ID: Hi All, It's my understanding that you can do multithreading ftp with gftp. Meaning that you can transfer more than one file at a time by opening up another connection to the ftp server. Am I wrong in my understanding? I'm trying to transer a directory of files including subdirectories, and I've unchecked the "Transfer only one file at a time," option in the options, but when I select the dir full of files and dirs, it seems to be transferring only one file at a time? Any ideas? -- Ed Coates/KB8FZQ edcoates@nighthawk.dyndns.org kb8fzq@kb8fzq.ampr.org From zip at liberto.org Thu Jul 1 11:03:53 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Thu Jul 1 09:49:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gFTP and Multithreading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E427D9.905@liberto.org> perl foreach (@argv) { `scp $_ host.tld:/path/to/directory/`; } setup your ssh authorized_keys2 first :) Andrew Ed Coates wrote: >Hi All, > >It's my understanding that you can do multithreading ftp with gftp. >Meaning that you can transfer more than one file at a time by opening up >another connection to the ftp server. Am I wrong in my understanding? > >I'm trying to transer a directory of files including subdirectories, and >I've unchecked the "Transfer only one file at a time," option in the >options, but when I select the dir full of files and dirs, it seems to be >transferring only one file at a time? Any ideas? > > > > > From edcoates at nighthawk.dyndns.org Thu Jul 1 11:23:50 2004 From: edcoates at nighthawk.dyndns.org (Ed Coates) Date: Thu Jul 1 10:09:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gFTP and Multithreading In-Reply-To: <40E427D9.905@liberto.org> References: <40E427D9.905@liberto.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Andrew Hodel wrote: > perl > > foreach (@argv) { `scp $_ host.tld:/path/to/directory/`; } > > setup your ssh authorized_keys2 first :) > > > > Andrew > Well, if it were another linux box, it would be fine, but it's a windows ftp server. That's why I'm looking to gftp for multithreading. -- Ed Coates/KB8FZQ edcoates@nighthawk.dyndns.org kb8fzq@kb8fzq.ampr.org From ndurr at venus.sac.accd.edu Thu Jul 1 11:54:27 2004 From: ndurr at venus.sac.accd.edu (Nathaniel Durr) Date: Thu Jul 1 10:40:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] linuxfest Message-ID: check out what was on a banner at kerneltrap.org http://www.linucon.org/ we should be there -- Nate Durr From eli at then7.com Thu Jul 1 12:34:14 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Thu Jul 1 11:19:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] linuxfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1088699654.c2b41e66d5cbe@www.then7.com> Quoting Nathaniel Durr : > > check out what was on a banner at kerneltrap.org > http://www.linucon.org/ > we should be there > > -- > Nate Durr > from site: "Our fifth featured guest: Wil Wheaton" Ok. That's cinched it for me. I'm packing my bags. :) ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From mjordan at iphysh.com Thu Jul 1 15:36:53 2004 From: mjordan at iphysh.com (Martin) Date: Thu Jul 1 14:22:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] pop e-mail question References: <000701c45ead$e6bf8200$cffea8c0@Enigma> <40E306F8.4010604@web-1hosting.net> Message-ID: <000d01c45fa2$c3f21760$cffea8c0@Enigma> Thank you everyone for your input and advice. Apparently the best way to accomplish what I am looking for would be to setup an IMAP server; now my companies e-mail come through POP and I can't change that but would like to set-up an IMAP server to check the POP account and then redistribute the e-mail to the two notebook clients. I may be violating every e-mail sever configuration known to man but that is what I apparently need to do. First, is this possible. Second, what software could do such a thing. Thanks, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Miller" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] pop e-mail question > Martin wrote: > > > data that could be imported in "any" mail program. (IMAP?) The ideal > > solution would be to set-up some sort of database that I could sync my two > > notebooks with regardless of mail program and keep an absolute identical > > copy on both system. Does anyone have some suggestions to accomplish any or > > all of this? > > > > I have found that just about anytime you are accessing mail across > several OS's and computers, the only safe way to do it is use IMAP > instead of POP. With POP you are going to run into issues of part of > your mail on one client and part on other, clients with incompatible > mail stores, and your "sent mail" all over the place. If your mail > provider has IMAP compatible web mail then there is even the added bonus > of that! > > - Travis > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 1 15:46:46 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Thu Jul 1 14:31:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] pop e-mail question References: <000701c45ead$e6bf8200$cffea8c0@Enigma><40E306F8.4010604@web-1hosting.net> <000d01c45fa2$c3f21760$cffea8c0@Enigma> Message-ID: <011e01c45fa4$24a11bf0$0200a8c0@jeff> > Thank you everyone for your input and advice. Apparently the best way to > accomplish what I am looking for would be to setup an IMAP server; now my > companies e-mail come through POP and I can't change that but would like to > set-up an IMAP server to check the POP account and then redistribute the > e-mail to the two notebook clients. I may be violating every e-mail sever > configuration known to man but that is what I apparently need to do. First, > is this possible. Second, what software could do such a thing. Sendmail will do great as a pop3 server... Horde has IMAP capabilities - I think Ed Coates set something like that up on his server at home. I have a Web-based mail program here on my server (SquirrelMail), which may not be a bad idea for you... have your server go get the pop3 mail, and then access a web-based mail program to read your mail, on the two accounts that are set-up for the notebooks. Just thinking out loud... --- There'll Always Be HonkyTonks in Texas "What a Strange and Wonderful trip" Regards, -Geoff From drice at mail.utexas.edu Thu Jul 1 15:54:28 2004 From: drice at mail.utexas.edu (David A. Rice) Date: Thu Jul 1 14:40:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] pop e-mail question In-Reply-To: <000d01c45fa2$c3f21760$cffea8c0@Enigma> References: <000701c45ead$e6bf8200$cffea8c0@Enigma> <40E306F8.4010604@web-1hosting.net> <000d01c45fa2$c3f21760$cffea8c0@Enigma> Message-ID: <1088711668.40e46bf4eda46@webmailapp5.cc.utexas.edu> I just have a rule set in my mail client that automatically moves the message when it arrives to my IMAP archive server. Yeah, its primitive, but hey, I'm lazy and it works. Thanks, David ----------------------------- David A. Rice drice@acme-labs.org http://www.acme-labs.org http://www.davidarice.com Quoting Martin : > Thank you everyone for your input and advice. Apparently the best way to > accomplish what I am looking for would be to setup an IMAP server; now my > companies e-mail come through POP and I can't change that but would like to > set-up an IMAP server to check the POP account and then redistribute the > e-mail to the two notebook clients. I may be violating every e-mail sever > configuration known to man but that is what I apparently need to do. First, > is this possible. Second, what software could do such a thing. > > > Thanks, > Martin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Miller" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] pop e-mail question > > > > Martin wrote: > > > > > data that could be imported in "any" mail program. (IMAP?) The ideal > > > solution would be to set-up some sort of database that I could sync my > two > > > notebooks with regardless of mail program and keep an absolute identical > > > copy on both system. Does anyone have some suggestions to accomplish any > or > > > all of this? > > > > > > > I have found that just about anytime you are accessing mail across > > several OS's and computers, the only safe way to do it is use IMAP > > instead of POP. With POP you are going to run into issues of part of > > your mail on one client and part on other, clients with incompatible > > mail stores, and your "sent mail" all over the place. If your mail > > provider has IMAP compatible web mail then there is even the added bonus > > of that! > > > > - Travis > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 16:16:01 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jul 1 15:01:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <20040701081454.A351@inverness.spoonix.com> References: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com> <20040701072516.A32470@inverness.spoonix.com> <20040701081454.A351@inverness.spoonix.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f040701131638631d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:14:54 -0500, K. Spoon wrote: > I've just got one SATA drive in the box, so I'm just using plain-jane IDE... > no RAID. That's the problem I've been seeing. The SATA drivers are available but not the RAID drivers. Loading a 2.6.x kernel, it sees the 2 SATA drives, but it never recognizes the RAIDO array I made in the BIOS. What bugs me is that this is a ULB from Monarch Computers. I need to find that issue to see if they did indeed stripe the array or just used SATA drives. From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 1 16:57:45 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Thu Jul 1 15:33:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? Message-ID: <1088715465.20895.8.camel@zeus.matrix> I'm in the process of upgrading my mail server and I have heard a lot of things, both good and bad about Sendmail and Qmail. I have had friends recommend that I stick with Sendmail, and I have had others that recommend that I switch to using Qmail. I am looking for a mailserver that will handle virtual mail hosting. (note: not virtual web hosting, I'm not /that/ new.) I have two domains that I would like to be able to send and receive email from, and I'm going to try to do this as painlessly as possible. Your thoughts? Thanks. FIRESTORM_v1 From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Thu Jul 1 17:13:34 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jul 1 15:59:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040701131638631d@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com> <20040701072516.A32470@inverness.spoonix.com> <20040701081454.A351@inverness.spoonix.com> <79ec289f040701131638631d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1088716414.21579.9.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 15:16, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:14:54 -0500, K. Spoon wrote: > > > I've just got one SATA drive in the box, so I'm just using plain-jane IDE... > > no RAID. > > That's the problem I've been seeing. The SATA drivers are available > but not the RAID drivers. Loading a 2.6.x kernel, it sees the 2 SATA > drives, but it never recognizes the RAIDO array I made in the BIOS. > What bugs me is that this is a ULB from Monarch Computers. I need to > find that issue to see if they did indeed stripe the array or just > used SATA drives. Jeremy: Are you using a hardware raid card or is it a bios quasi-RAID? I had a similar problem with our server here, with an ICH5R motherboard. Try as I might, I could not get the installer to recognize the SATA drives. I tried every permutation I could in the bios for SATA, PATA, RAID, and IDE settings and it still would not work. In the end we ended up just using them as software raid, but with the SATA drivers. Next time I buy a server I"m definitely investing in a good raid card. thanks Sean From rct at gherkin.frus.com Thu Jul 1 17:13:57 2004 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Thu Jul 1 15:59:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? In-Reply-To: <1088715465.20895.8.camel@zeus.matrix> "from Matt at Jul 1, 2004 03:57:45 pm" Message-ID: <20040701211357.91468DBDE@gherkin.frus.com> Matt wrote: > I'm in the process of upgrading my mail server and I have heard a lot of > things, both good and bad about Sendmail and Qmail. I have had friends > recommend that I stick with Sendmail, and I have had others that > recommend that I switch to using Qmail. Postfix will do what you want, based on your stated needs. Have heard good things about Qmail, but have no experience with it. Sendmail is an "attractive nuisance", much as the swimming pool in one's back yard. It's got an industrial- strength reputation, and lots of people beating on it from a security standpoint. Unfortunately, many of the beaters are people you don't trust. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 17:20:26 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jul 1 16:06:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <1088716414.21579.9.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com> <20040701072516.A32470@inverness.spoonix.com> <20040701081454.A351@inverness.spoonix.com> <1088716414.21579.9.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <79ec289f040701142072793943@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:13:34 -0500, Sean Carolan > Are you using a hardware raid card or is it a bios quasi-RAID? I had a similar > problem with our server here, with an ICH5R motherboard. Try as I might, I > could not get the installer to recognize the SATA drives. I tried every > permutation I could in the bios for SATA, PATA, RAID, and IDE settings and it > still would not work. Its a bios quasi RAID. After doing some googling, I found a nice thread on the subject in a Gentoo forum. The advertised bios RAID function is really software RAID controlled by a driver (which is not available) while the SATA chipset is seperate (is available). They just basically said to run the SATA driver, then kernel software RAID between the two drives. > In the end we ended up just using them as software raid, but with the SATA > drivers. Next time I buy a server I"m definitely investing in a good raid card. That's what we'll have to do to, but with it being a ULB, we kinda figured everything would work under Linux. From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Thu Jul 1 17:26:24 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jul 1 16:12:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040701142072793943@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f040630190362a16e13@mail.gmail.com> <20040701072516.A32470@inverness.spoonix.com> <20040701081454.A351@inverness.spoonix.com> <79ec289f040701131638631d@mail.gmail.com> <1088716414.21579.9.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <79ec289f040701142072793943@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1088717184.24997.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > That's what we'll have to do to, but with it being a ULB, we kinda > figured everything would work under Linux. Yes, exactly the same thing happened here. Kind of like using a Winmodems - it only works if you use the Windoze drivers. From dubose at texas.net Thu Jul 1 18:34:53 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Thu Jul 1 17:19:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM Message-ID: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and Keyboard. I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 and wondering if one of those will work. If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford any mistakes. Walt From doug at clickdoug.com Thu Jul 1 18:46:54 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Thu Jul 1 17:33:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM References: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> Message-ID: <2f2d01c45fbd$4e6efa10$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> I have a 4-port KVM which switches between two windows and two Linux Boxes. They actually work quite well. I also can access other Windows servers using Remote Desktop and Linux boxes via Webmin, if, say all I want to do is to look at a log file or something or verify a particular service is running, etc. But shop around, Altex is not the best price model in town. ====================================== Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt DuBose" To: "satlug" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: [SATLUG] KVM : Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? : : I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the : computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and : Keyboard. : : I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 and : wondering if one of those will work. : : If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford : any mistakes. : : Walt : _______________________________________________ : Satlug mailing list : Satlug@satlug.org : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : : From lug at eth0.us Thu Jul 1 18:50:57 2004 From: lug at eth0.us (John) Date: Thu Jul 1 17:38:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> Message-ID: <000001c45fbd$e16aff80$0300a8c0@deacnet.wfu.edu> Make sure that when you do purchase one that it is electronic and not a physical electrical switch. The electronic ones typically say something to the effect of you can boot up the computer without switching to it. I have heard of people having trouble with switches that do not let the computer think it is always attached. Apparently the computers will sometimes have trouble and not respond to keyboard commands afterwards. I purchased a 4 port electronic KVM a few years ago from Altex and it is working great still. John From hstreit at swri.edu Thu Jul 1 18:54:51 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Thu Jul 1 17:40:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> References: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> Message-ID: <40E4963B.7020606@swri.edu> I have done that kinda setup in the past. And I have two words for you: Powered KVM. For some reason (maybe it's just my luck of the draw) every time I got a hold of an unpowered KVM, my mouse would freak out. Now, I have to admit that both these boxen were dual-booters (one Win2K/RedHat, the other WinXP/Slackware). Funny thing is, the mouse just plain refused to work on Windows... I tried three or four KVMs (all different Manufs, 2, 4, and 6 ways) and had the same mouse issue with them all. Except the last one I bought....a powered one. Walt DuBose wrote: > Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? > > I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the > computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and > Keyboard. > > I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 and > wondering if one of those will work. > > If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford > any mistakes. > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From zeb.fletcher at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 1 19:03:46 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at sbcglobal.net (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Thu Jul 1 17:49:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <000001c45fbd$e16aff80$0300a8c0@deacnet.wfu.edu> Message-ID: <200407012249.i61MnLI18041@alamo.satlug.org> I have the 'mini view' KVM switch from Altecs and it works great between my Linux and XP. I did have a problem awhile back where the mouse wouldn't work on the Linux box, but I chalked it up to hardware, the computer was an older Motherboard. Zeb From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Jul 1 19:36:24 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Thu Jul 1 18:22:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> References: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> Message-ID: <40E49FF8.8000203@futuretechsolutions.com> I've got a 4 port that I picked up at Allgen, works beutifully between the 3 boxes on it, and was only around $50.00. Walt DuBose wrote: >Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? > >I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the >computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and >Keyboard. > >I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 and >wondering if one of those will work. > >If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford >any mistakes. > >Walt >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From mayonakaha at vashir.com Thu Jul 1 19:27:41 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (MayonakaHa) Date: Thu Jul 1 19:22:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM References: <1088728059.36E5FE15@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: <1088728065.29620B4A@r5.dngr.org> I've got this funky iGear one from one of the shops here in Utah for $35. It's an electronic unpowered one and it works great. The only problem is it doesn't like the gf's Microsoft keyboard, but loves my logitech wireless. Mike D. On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 5:49pm, Charles D Hogan wrote: > I've got a 4 port that I picked up at Allgen, works beutifully between > the 3 boxes on it, and was only around $50.00. > > Walt DuBose wrote: > >> Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? >> >> I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the >> computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and >> Keyboard. I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 >> and >> wondering if one of those will work. >> >> If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford >> any mistakes. >> >> Walt >> _______________________________________________ >> Satlug mailing list >> Satlug@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug This message sent via Danger Hiptop (www.danger.com) From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Jul 1 21:20:21 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jul 1 20:08:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> References: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> Message-ID: <1088731329.1110.48.camel@laptop> I've saw a few of the responses to you Walt that said not to buy the mechanical or unpowered versions -- only the powered ones. I've got to say that it depends on what you are using it for. If you are only running command line on your machines, go the cheap route and get a mechanical one. Set the BIOS on all machines to "Halt on NOTHING" and you are set. Switch back and forth -- it works fine. But if you want to run any GUIs, you run a risk of a machine stopping responding. When using a GUI on any machine thru a mechanical switch, they will sometimes stop responding to mouse imputs after switching away and back. I've had it happen it on multiple machines both with X-Windows and M$ GUI. But not all machines stop responding. Never did figure it out, just quit using any GUI thru my mechanical switch. So, if you will be running a GUI on any of the machines, avoid problems and put out the extra $$$ for the electronic powered version. Chuck On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 17:34, Walt DuBose wrote: > Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? > > I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the > computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and > Keyboard. > > I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 and > wondering if one of those will work. > > If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford > any mistakes. > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From gboswell at accd.edu Thu Jul 1 21:39:14 2004 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Thu Jul 1 20:25:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Charter school need help Message-ID: <40E4BCC2.8050601@accd.edu> One of my students Tom King is also helping out at a small charter school on the weekends, free labor etc. Their 2000 server died and can't be fixed till late next week. Tom has a Linux web server running on the network and asked me what he would need to do to get a Linux box running to allpw DHCP, DNS (limited), LDAP for authentication (all workstations set up only for network login), and run some wireless printers, all of this was on the 2000 Server that died. I'm working on another project outside of school and leaving on a trip Sat, really don't think I could do it all anyway especially the LDAP part. If anyone can give him some pointers or assistance please e-mail him at kingttx@hotmail.com. -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Thu Jul 1 21:49:42 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Thu Jul 1 20:35:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? In-Reply-To: <1088715465.20895.8.camel@zeus.matrix> (Matt's message of "01 Jul 2004 15:57:45 -0500") References: <1088715465.20895.8.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, Matt said: > I'm in the process of upgrading my mail server and I have heard a lot of > things, both good and bad about Sendmail and Qmail. I have had friends > recommend that I stick with Sendmail, and I have had others that > recommend that I switch to using Qmail. > > I am looking for a mailserver that will handle virtual mail hosting. > (note: not virtual web hosting, I'm not /that/ new.) I have two domains > that I would like to be able to send and receive email from, and I'm > going to try to do this as painlessly as possible. > > > Your thoughts? I use qmail. I have no problems with it, and find configuration to be very easy. I've got a weird setup, that includes virtual domains. -- Ted Rathkopf From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Jul 1 22:55:43 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jul 1 21:41:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <1088731329.1110.48.camel@laptop> References: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> <1088731329.1110.48.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1qg9e0dkueq00j6l78dhfnc24odhhmtgqh@4ax.com> On 01 Jul 2004 20:20:21 -0500, Chuck wrote: >When using a GUI on any machine thru a mechanical switch, they will >sometimes stop responding to mouse imputs after switching away and >back. I've had it happen it on multiple machines both with X-Windows >and M$ GUI. But not all machines stop responding. Never did figure it >out, just quit using any GUI thru my mechanical switch. Over the years I've used both 2-port and 4-port electronic units and a few mechanical, passive units. Switched systems have included Linux, Win98, Win2k Server, WinXP, and I think a stray BSD box somewhere. There was almost always a mix of OSes among the connected systems. The smaller electronic ones draw power from the keyboard connection of whichever system is powered up, others have a wall wart. Newer units may offer USB and sound switching as well. If money is no object, you can also get units which emulate a Web server, use TCP/IP over 10/100Base-T, and include power switching to reboot as needed. All these switches operate the computers at the hardware/BIOS level, so it makes no difference what OS is installed. So why does the mouse fail? When the passive switches are changed, the break-before-make contacts cause both the keyboard and mouse to lose power, and thus reset their configuration. A few systems are smart enough to restore the mouse settings, but most aren't. Keyboards are less sensitive to switching because the only states they need to save are the status lights (caps, num lock, scroll) and repeat rate, none of which is crucial to sending keypress events. Mice have many communication parameters to negotiate with the mobo/OS, probably because there was no single IBM standard mouse to copy. Electronic KVMs duplicate the appearance of the keyboard, mouse, and video monitor hardware for whichever systems are not being controlled, allowing normal bootup and hardware detection whether a particular set is selected or not. This way your clever GUI can start up with the correct keyboard, video and mouse settings. You should also know that the cheap switches in most passive KVM boxes will start failing after a few months of use. You may lose one or more color signals in the video or the keyboard or mouse may stop responding or even send spurious characters. I would use passive mechanical units only on very short term basis and consider the switchbox to be disposable. The additional cost of cables is another consideration. Some boxes don't come with cables, others lock you into a proprietary connector with only one source for parts. Units with permanently attached cables may be cheaper, but if a connector gets stepped on or the cable damaged, you throw out the whole unit. Thus endeth the Buyers Guide. --Don From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jul 1 23:01:58 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (afcasta@texas.net) Date: Thu Jul 1 21:47:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? Message-ID: <20040702030158.8FC4F19C539D@mail1.aus1.texas.net> [...] > I am looking for a mailserver that will handle virtual mail hosting. If I had a choice, I'd use Postfix, for its easy configuration and spamfighting plugins. I'll not start another flamewar here on what I think of DJB's off-topic advocacy for qmail on alt.sysadmin.recovery a few years back, but it's probably still in google groups. If you're seriously considering going with qmail, you have to consider the source. That said, I still have to run sendmail, and the sendmail.cf is a lot easier to set up with the m4 tool than doing so by hand (and I don't send mail to root@[pick ISP or other organization] any more like I did when I was handcrafting that rascal), much to the relief of the engineers at texas.net. One dual processor smtp spewer I set up a few years back tossed out millions of "directed mailings" (the marketdroids insisted it wasn't spam) a month for over two years with no downtime, despite running sendmail on that weird SGI filesystem we used to set up before reiserfs and ext3 were available. Uptime was 473 days when it was shut down to move to a new data center. The mailserver just worked (oh no, now I'm in for it ). Al Castanoli From wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Thu Jul 1 23:32:12 2004 From: wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (WrkWatchr) Date: Thu Jul 1 22:22:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM References: <40E4918D.681DB45F@texas.net> Message-ID: I have the bright green 2-port KVM from Altecs and it works great with every variation of computers I have tried here. Nice keyboard switching and the cables are included. I have never had any problems with it. It is the one in the blister pak from a company IOGear (I think?) Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt DuBose" To: "satlug" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: [SATLUG] KVM > Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? > > I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the > computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and > Keyboard. > > I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 and > wondering if one of those will work. > > If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford > any mistakes. > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 2 00:09:09 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Thu Jul 1 22:55:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407020409.i6249Ao8018905@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> I second the IOGear 2-port KVM. 2-port passive electrical KVM. I have it running with a RH9, and a dualboot WinXP/Mandrake10. I didn't like the price from over this entire thread, I paid about $60 something. It has been working w/o a problem for over 6 months. I use it primarly to access my RH9 web server, and my main desktop notebook. I have noticed a mouse issue, but I have noticed with my wireless Logitec Elite Duo kb/mouse combo no problems at all. Joe -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of WrkWatchr Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:32 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KVM I have the bright green 2-port KVM from Altecs and it works great with every variation of computers I have tried here. Nice keyboard switching and the cables are included. I have never had any problems with it. It is the one in the blister pak from a company IOGear (I think?) Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt DuBose" To: "satlug" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: [SATLUG] KVM > Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? > > I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the > computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and > Keyboard. > > I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 and > wondering if one of those will work. > > If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford > any mistakes. > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jul 2 00:15:51 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jul 1 23:01:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? In-Reply-To: <1088715465.20895.8.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1088715465.20895.8.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <73l9e0pk5of999l8dfc113skesle7s3uiq@4ax.com> On 01 Jul 2004 15:57:45 -0500, Matt wrote: >I am looking for a mailserver that will handle virtual mail hosting. >(note: not virtual web hosting, I'm not /that/ new.) I have two domains >that I would like to be able to send and receive email from, and I'm >going to try to do this as painlessly as possible. Reasons to use a particular MTA (Mail Transfer Agent): 1. You already have the O'Reilly. 2. It comes standard with your favorite distro. 3. You have a source of free support for it. 4. You're doing penance for a SPEWS listing. 5. The boss says so. Seriously, any current version of a mainstream MTA should work fine for two domains with only a handful of local users. I'd thus look at various additional support issues, such as spam control methods, how easy it is to add and remove users, mailing list support & maintenance, whether mail users have to be *nix users, support for POP3, IMAP, webmail, and other retrieval methods, relative importance of security, stability, and administration burden, how much control you want the users to have, and anything else you can think might be nice to have in 5 years or so. Each factor may be of greater or lesser importance to the application you have in mind. For a mission-critical project, I'd lurk on the MTA's user-level maillist/forum/whatever for a while to see what problems keep turning up. If things look promising, try reading the docs. Then you can ask any remaining "What's the best way to ..." questions and have some chance of understanding the answers. For a personal project I'd probably start reading the docs and pick the one that causes the smallest headache. Then I'd jump in with a scratch computer and try installing and configuring the MTA to do what I want. (Of course this first attempt will fail.) The debugging process should teach me enough about the concepts of the MTA to decide whether to continue with a second, better install or flush it and try another MTA. --Don -- There are no wrong answers, only right answers to the wrong question. From mayonakaha at vashir.com Thu Jul 1 23:37:37 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (Mike Duncan) Date: Thu Jul 1 23:23:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <200407020409.i6249Ao8018905@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> References: <200407020409.i6249Ao8018905@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <40E4E691.5040407@vashir.com> Yeah that IOGear one is pretty good. Like I said before it's only had a problem with my girlfriends Microsoft keyboard. After a few switches it wouldn't respond to anything and would have to reboot one of the machines, quite unusual. However since I've had it on my system it loves my Logitech wireless. NaT wrote: >I second the IOGear 2-port KVM. 2-port passive electrical KVM. I have it >running with a RH9, and a dualboot WinXP/Mandrake10. I didn't like the >price from over this entire thread, I paid about $60 something. It has been >working w/o a problem for over 6 months. I use it primarly to access my RH9 >web server, and my main desktop notebook. > >I have noticed a mouse issue, but I have noticed with my wireless Logitec >Elite Duo kb/mouse combo no problems at all. > >Joe > >-----Original Message----- >From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf >Of WrkWatchr >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:32 PM >To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KVM > >I have the bright green 2-port KVM from Altecs and it works great with every >variation of computers I have tried here. Nice keyboard switching and the >cables are included. I have never had any problems with it. It is the one in >the blister pak from a company IOGear (I think?) > >Roy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Walt DuBose" >To: "satlug" >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:34 PM >Subject: [SATLUG] KVM > > > > >>Is anyone using a KVM with two Linux boxes? >> >>I need to move both my Linux boxes on to the same desk (actually the >>computers will be on the floor) but have only room for one monitor and >>Keyboard. >> >>I have seen several two port models at Altex for around $45 and >>wondering if one of those will work. >> >>If this works, then I will be buying two for the EOC and I can't afford >>any mistakes. >> >>Walt >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 2 01:08:16 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Thu Jul 1 23:44:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <200407020409.i6249Ao8018905@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> References: <200407020409.i6249Ao8018905@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <1088744899.24129.3.camel@zeus.matrix> On the subject of KVM switches, I have to side with what everyone else is saying.. (could ya see that one coming??) I bought a Tripp-Lite KVM used from Electronic Surplus for $20 It's buss powered and is very easy to install. If you can, and to avoid the wall-wart, get one that pulls its power from the keyboard or mouse. If I were you though, I'd avoid Belkin equipment ( wireless, network, etc...) like the plague. (except their cables. They seem to get that right..) Hope this helps.. FIRESTORM_v1 From rdpears2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 01:31:15 2004 From: rdpears2001 at yahoo.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jul 2 00:17:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2.6 Kernels In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040701142072793943@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sean Carolan wrote--- >> Are you using a hardware raid card or is it a bios quasi-RAID? I had a similar >> problem with our server here, with an ICH5R motherboard. Try as I might, I >> could not get the installer to recognize the SATA drives. I tried every >> permutation I could in the bios for SATA, PATA, RAID, and IDE settings and it >> still would not work. Jeremy Mann wrote--- >Its a bios quasi RAID. After doing some googling, I found a nice >thread on the subject in a Gentoo forum. The advertised bios RAID >function is really software RAID controlled by a driver (which is not >available) while the SATA chipset is seperate (is available). They >just basically said to run the SATA driver, then kernel software RAID >between the two drives. Sean wrote--- >> In the end we ended up just using them as software raid, but with the SATA >> drivers. Next time I buy a server I"m definitely investing in a good raid card. Jeremy wrote--- >That's what we'll have to do to, but with it being a ULB, we kinda >figured everything would work under Linux. ===================================================== Looks like you got it all solved. Don't know if this helps but I found it very useful. I have heard other good things about 3ware 8006 controller cards. There were problems with certain hardware controllers as of May, 2004 as per this from--- http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3081 [comment] You try getting 2.6 to run on a machine with Highpoint or Promise ATA-RAID. Hint: as yet, the only ATA-RAID support for 2.6 is a buggy, experimental patch for EVMS2 that supports Highpoint RAID-0. If you've got a Promise format RAID 0+1, your discs are unreadable under 2.6 [reply to this comment] Not quite.. Interesting comment posted by Hiryu on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 21:12 ATA raid controllers such as the ones by Promise and Highpoint are actually proprietary software controllers. This also includes the ICH5R raid controller integrated with many i875 chipset based motherboards. I have an i875 motherboard. I had to use a 2.4 kernel with a patch I found in a lkml post (found through googling). There was and still is no Linux 2.6 support for the ICH5R. I got sick of having to use some obscure patch and being stuck with 2.4. I had already used 2.6 extensively and 2.4 feels much slower to me. I also couldn't install SuSe (or Debian for that matter) because neither had kernels patched for this. I believe the latest Fedora does though. The only way I could even run SuSe (or some other dists) off this raid volume was to install on my old PATA disk. Patch and compile a kernel for ICH5R support, and then copy my linux install on to the raid volume. I finally broke down and bought a 3ware (S)ATA raid controller. 3ware controllers are the only true hardware (S)ATA controllers supported under Linux. I immediately noticed my desktop was more snappy even with Linux 2.4 (probably because the cpu wasn't spending cycles handling the raid), and I got about 10MB more per second transfer on reading and writing. I switched to 2.6 with no problems. Now my system flies! So for those of you who can spend the money, want some more performance, and have the cash, here's a great 2 port SATA raid controller by 3ware: 8006 This controller works in both 32-bit and 64-bit pci slots. Also, under Linux, it "just works". No hassles! 3ware also "officially" supports Linux. They have some software you can use and a nice web interface. Not sure if this software is open source, but the linux kernel driver for 3ware controllers is open source. Thanks, Robert Pearson rdpears2001@yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004 From ndavidg at lycos.com Fri Jul 2 02:21:53 2004 From: ndavidg at lycos.com (David Guarneri) Date: Fri Jul 2 01:07:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? Message-ID: <20040702062153.928AF4F3D0@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com> Try postfix. It's fast, secure, and has support for virtual domains. http://www.postfix.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Rathkopf Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:49:42 -0500 To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? > Meanwhile, back at the model home, Matt said: > > > I'm in the process of upgrading my mail server and I have heard a lot of > > things, both good and bad about Sendmail and Qmail. I have had friends > > recommend that I stick with Sendmail, and I have had others that > > recommend that I switch to using Qmail. > > > > I am looking for a mailserver that will handle virtual mail hosting. > > (note: not virtual web hosting, I'm not /that/ new.) I have two domains > > that I would like to be able to send and receive email from, and I'm > > going to try to do this as painlessly as possible. > > > > > > Your thoughts? > > I use qmail. I have no problems with it, and find configuration to be > very easy. I've got a weird setup, that includes virtual domains. > > > -- > Ted Rathkopf > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From ndavidg at lycos.com Fri Jul 2 02:31:47 2004 From: ndavidg at lycos.com (David Guarneri) Date: Fri Jul 2 01:17:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Charter school need help Message-ID: <20040702063147.16ADF4F3D0@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com> I would reccommend reinstalling Windows 2000 with some speed optimizations. If he wants to run Linux, Suse Linux 9 Professional comes with DNS, Samba, CUPS, and LDAP support. It also has an easy-to-configure firewall. If the clients are running Windows 98, this setup should be a breeze; however, if the clients are running Windows 2000 or Windows XP it will take a little more time to get it right. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn F. Boswell" Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:39:14 -0500 To: satlug Subject: [SATLUG] Charter school need help > One of my students Tom King is also helping out at a small charter > school on the weekends, free labor etc. Their 2000 server died and can't > be fixed till late next week. Tom has a Linux web server running on the > network and asked me what he would need to do to get a Linux box running > to allpw DHCP, DNS (limited), LDAP for authentication (all workstations > set up only for network login), and run some wireless printers, all of > this was on the 2000 Server that died. I'm working on another project > outside of school and leaving on a trip Sat, really don't think I could > do it all anyway especially the LDAP part. If anyone can give him some > pointers or assistance please e-mail him at kingttx@hotmail.com. > > -- > Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu > San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 > "We make a living by what we Get. > We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From bazin_m at strakejesuit.org Fri Jul 2 02:36:46 2004 From: bazin_m at strakejesuit.org (Mark Bazin) Date: Fri Jul 2 01:23:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM Message-ID: I completely and totally agree with your advice against Belkin. We have a very expensive Belkin KVM at work and it's a total POS. Really -- complete garbage! Lots of crosstalk between the ports, and when switching from Novell to Windows, if you were in the Novell Console, your mouse won't work in Windows. Thus, you have to go BACK to Novell, cycle to the X Session, then go to Windows, wait 5 seconds, then you're all good. At this very moment I'm working through a little KVM on an XP and a Linux box -- it's this one: http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=46128 It's a Linkskey (probably rebadged from another brand?) -- it can be powered either by the wall or by a PC, it supports key-command switching (i.e., Scroll-Lock, Scroll-Lock 1 for PC 1 and 2 for PC 2). Oh, and it comes with cables! For $25 you can't go wrong. I wouldn't buy this one though -- I'd buy this one: http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=46129 Why? Eventually, you'll want more than two machines on it. I wish I'd bought this one instead of the two port. Heck, I'll sell you my two-port (so I can buy the 4-port) for $15. Mark >>> firestorm-v1@satx.rr.com 07/02/04 12:08 AM >>> *SNIP* If I were you though, I'd avoid Belkin equipment ( wireless, network, etc...) like the plague. (except their cables. They seem to get that right..) Hope this helps.. FIRESTORM_v1 _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Fri Jul 2 06:14:03 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jul 2 04:59:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? Message-ID: <1088763242.29621.9.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Does anyone have some good ideas about a case / PC that runs near-silent? One of my major pet peeves is the high noise level of the fans in our two computers here at home. I tried getting a Zalman CPU fan and power supply and they didn't seem to make a bit of difference. So I'm about ready to purchase new computers and the main consideration is the noise factor. Here is what I have looked into so far: www.hushpc.com - bit pricey but there are NO fans on these at all. They use heatsinks to dissipate the heat from the cpu and drives instead. Shuttle XPC - these small form factor units have only one fan and are supposed to run pretty quiet. Laptop - this is an option but not my favorite one. I don't like the small size of most laptop screens. Plus I want to take some of my old components and re-use them in the new computer to save money. Any ideas are welcome. thanks. Sean From eli at then7.com Fri Jul 2 06:43:21 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Fri Jul 2 05:28:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? In-Reply-To: <20040702030158.8FC4F19C539D@mail1.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040702030158.8FC4F19C539D@mail1.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <1088765001.05125ac7ffc04@www.then7.com> Quoting afcasta@texas.net: > [...] > > I am looking for a mailserver that will handle virtual mail hosting. > > If I had a choice, I'd use Postfix, for its easy configuration and > spamfighting plugins. I vote for postfix too. It has a reputation for speed. I had no trouble setting up virtual domains and smtp auth. A well commented config file helps. Using postfix, cyrus-imap, horde, squirrelmail, mysql on a handful of servers. I can't really give a good pros/cons vs other mtas because I've never used anything else...why change if it has always worked? ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From doug at clickdoug.com Fri Jul 2 07:23:11 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Fri Jul 2 06:10:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? References: <20040702062153.928AF4F3D0@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <31e501c46026$f5d75450$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> I would vote for Postfix - however your mileage may vary. I have a gateway server running RH9 and Postfix 2.1 and it is serving 118 virtual domains. It is NOT a all-in-one solution, however, as it is used as a receiving server, anti-spam filtering, anti-virus filtering and then relays clean mail to the final destination. Those destinations may be another Postfix, Windows Exchange, Imail on Windows or whatever. The destination servers handle the outgoing chores. This box does not have local mailboxes. This said, it handles many MBytes of email messages per day with practically no load. Example: 1:01am up 42 days, 12:32, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.07, 0.02 ====================================== Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Guarneri" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? : Try postfix. It's fast, secure, and has support for virtual domains. : : http://www.postfix.org/ : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: Ted Rathkopf : Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:49:42 -0500 : To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" : Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? : : > Meanwhile, back at the model home, Matt said: : > : > > I'm in the process of upgrading my mail server and I have heard a lot of : > > things, both good and bad about Sendmail and Qmail. I have had friends : > > recommend that I stick with Sendmail, and I have had others that : > > recommend that I switch to using Qmail. : > > : > > I am looking for a mailserver that will handle virtual mail hosting. : > > (note: not virtual web hosting, I'm not /that/ new.) I have two domains : > > that I would like to be able to send and receive email from, and I'm : > > going to try to do this as painlessly as possible. : > > : > > : > > Your thoughts? : > : > I use qmail. I have no problems with it, and find configuration to be : > very easy. I've got a weird setup, that includes virtual domains. : > : > : > -- : > Ted Rathkopf : > _______________________________________________ : > Satlug mailing list : > Satlug@satlug.org : > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : > : : : : N. David Guarneri : : "Imagination is more important than knowledge." : --Albert Einstein : : : : : : : -- : _______________________________________________ : Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages : http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 : : _______________________________________________ : Satlug mailing list : Satlug@satlug.org : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : : From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 2 07:48:36 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Fri Jul 2 06:33:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? References: <1088763242.29621.9.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <027901c4602a$8288e8c0$0200a8c0@jeff> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Carolan" > Does anyone have some good ideas about a case / PC that runs > near-silent? One of my major pet peeves is the high noise level of the > fans in our two computers here at home. I'm guessing you don't like SCSI drives, either? From mjordan at iphysh.com Fri Jul 2 08:52:35 2004 From: mjordan at iphysh.com (Martin) Date: Fri Jul 2 07:38:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] pop e-mail question References: <000701c45ead$e6bf8200$cffea8c0@Enigma><40E306F8.4010604@web-1hosting.net> <000d01c45fa2$c3f21760$cffea8c0@Enigma> <1088711668.40e46bf4eda46@webmailapp5.cc.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <003301c46033$73becfe0$cffea8c0@Enigma> This question is to David A. Rice but anyone should feel free to give their input. What software are you running your "IMAP archive server" on? And what mail client are you using to move the e-mail? Thanks, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "David A. Rice" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] pop e-mail question > I just have a rule set in my mail client that automatically moves the message > when it arrives to my IMAP archive server. Yeah, its primitive, but hey, I'm > lazy and it works. > > Thanks, > David > > ----------------------------- > David A. Rice > drice@acme-labs.org > http://www.acme-labs.org > http://www.davidarice.com > > > Quoting Martin : > > > Thank you everyone for your input and advice. Apparently the best way to > > accomplish what I am looking for would be to setup an IMAP server; now my > > companies e-mail come through POP and I can't change that but would like to > > set-up an IMAP server to check the POP account and then redistribute the > > e-mail to the two notebook clients. I may be violating every e-mail sever > > configuration known to man but that is what I apparently need to do. First, > > is this possible. Second, what software could do such a thing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Travis Miller" > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] pop e-mail question > > > > > > > Martin wrote: > > > > > > > data that could be imported in "any" mail program. (IMAP?) The ideal > > > > solution would be to set-up some sort of database that I could sync my > > two > > > > notebooks with regardless of mail program and keep an absolute identical > > > > copy on both system. Does anyone have some suggestions to accomplish any > > or > > > > all of this? > > > > > > > > > > I have found that just about anytime you are accessing mail across > > > several OS's and computers, the only safe way to do it is use IMAP > > > instead of POP. With POP you are going to run into issues of part of > > > your mail on one client and part on other, clients with incompatible > > > mail stores, and your "sent mail" all over the place. If your mail > > > provider has IMAP compatible web mail then there is even the added bonus > > > of that! > > > > > > - Travis > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jaret at aberlorn.com Fri Jul 2 08:52:55 2004 From: jaret at aberlorn.com (jaret) Date: Fri Jul 2 07:39:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? In-Reply-To: <31e501c46026$f5d75450$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> References: <20040702062153.928AF4F3D0@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com> <31e501c46026$f5d75450$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Message-ID: <40E55AA7.7010609@aberlorn.com> My vote is postfix too. Have 5 domains going w/ mine. Using postfix w/ cyrus, mysql and web-cyradm web-based gui. Found a good tutorial to get me going at http://www.web-cyradm.org/ . The user forum is active as well. Good luck with your decision... ~Jaret Doug White wrote: >I would vote for Postfix - however your mileage may vary. > >I have a gateway server running RH9 and Postfix 2.1 and it is serving 118 >virtual domains. It is NOT a all-in-one solution, however, as it is used as a >receiving server, anti-spam filtering, anti-virus filtering and then relays >clean mail to the final destination. Those destinations may be another >Postfix, Windows Exchange, Imail on Windows or whatever. The destination >servers handle the outgoing chores. This box does not have local mailboxes. > >This said, it handles many MBytes of email messages per day with practically no >load. > >Example: >1:01am up 42 days, 12:32, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.07, 0.02 > > > >====================================== >Our Anti-spam solution works!! >http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm >For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 >====================================== > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Guarneri" >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:21 AM >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? > > >: Try postfix. It's fast, secure, and has support for virtual domains. >: >: http://www.postfix.org/ >: >: ----- Original Message ----- >: From: Ted Rathkopf >: Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:49:42 -0500 >: To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >: Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Sendmail v. Qmail Your thoughts? >: >: > Meanwhile, back at the model home, Matt said: >: > >: > > I'm in the process of upgrading my mail server and I have heard a lot of >: > > things, both good and bad about Sendmail and Qmail. I have had friends >: > > recommend that I stick with Sendmail, and I have had others that >: > > recommend that I switch to using Qmail. >: > > >: > > I am looking for a mailserver that will handle virtual mail hosting. >: > > (note: not virtual web hosting, I'm not /that/ new.) I have two domains >: > > that I would like to be able to send and receive email from, and I'm >: > > going to try to do this as painlessly as possible. >: > > >: > > >: > > Your thoughts? >: > >: > I use qmail. I have no problems with it, and find configuration to be >: > very easy. I've got a weird setup, that includes virtual domains. >: > >: > >: > -- >: > Ted Rathkopf >: > _______________________________________________ >: > Satlug mailing list >: > Satlug@satlug.org >: > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >: > >: >: >: >: N. David Guarneri >: >: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." >: --Albert Einstein >: >: >: >: >: >: >: -- >: _______________________________________________ >: Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages >: >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 >: >: _______________________________________________ >: Satlug mailing list >: Satlug@satlug.org >: http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >: >: > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > From chardon47 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 07:05:26 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 2 07:51:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? In-Reply-To: <1088763242.29621.9.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040702130526.32505.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/silentpcs You might find this to be very helpful. Sean Carolan wrote: Does anyone have some good ideas about a case / PC that runs near-silent? One of my major pet peeves is the high noise level of the fans in our two computers here at home. I tried getting a Zalman CPU fan and power supply and they didn't seem to make a bit of difference. So I'm about ready to purchase new computers and the main consideration is the noise factor. Here is what I have looked into so far: www.hushpc.com - bit pricey but there are NO fans on these at all. They use heatsinks to dissipate the heat from the cpu and drives instead. Shuttle XPC - these small form factor units have only one fan and are supposed to run pretty quiet. Laptop - this is an option but not my favorite one. I don't like the small size of most laptop screens. Plus I want to take some of my old components and re-use them in the new computer to save money. Any ideas are welcome. thanks. Sean _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield Registered Linux User #351047 From ndavidg at lycos.com Fri Jul 2 10:09:39 2004 From: ndavidg at lycos.com (David Guarneri) Date: Fri Jul 2 08:55:36 2004 Subject: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? Message-ID: <20040702140939.7C375E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Perhaps you could try a cooled case? Maybe these links can help. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=koolance&btnG=Google+Search http://www.overclockers.com/topiclist/index09.asp#CASE%20COOLING ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:05:26 -0700 (PDT) To: sean@medicalresourceusa.com,"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Jul 2 10:48:57 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Jul 2 09:35:04 2004 Subject: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? In-Reply-To: <20040702140939.7C375E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> from "David Guarneri" at Jul 02, 2004 09:09:39 AM Message-ID: <200407021448.i62EmvDr007758@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Jeremy got me a replacement powersupply from Thermaltake (silent purepower, 480W), it made a huge difference in noise. Still, laptops may be your best choice. If you are concerned about display size, check out the Inspirons from Dell with the WUXGA (1920x1200) displays. At 15.4" they really have a lot of display area and the image is super crisp (I have one of those, and display quality or size would not be one of my concerns). -Borries From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Fri Jul 2 10:55:47 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jul 2 09:41:33 2004 Subject: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? In-Reply-To: <20040702140939.7C375E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040702140939.7C375E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1088780147.7179.10.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> We might go with a couple of the Shuttle Zen XPC units. I like the fact that the power supply is an external brick instead of built into the system. And the heatsink on the CPU looks really far out - they managed to cool the whole system with one fan on the back of the case, so I imagine it's got to run fairly quiet. The small form factor is also a plus. On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 09:09, David Guarneri wrote: > Perhaps you could try a cooled case? Maybe these links can help. > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=koolance&btnG=Google+Search > http://www.overclockers.com/topiclist/index09.asp#CASE%20COOLING > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:05:26 -0700 (PDT) > To: sean@medicalresourceusa.com,"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? > > > > > N. David Guarneri > > "Imagination is more important than knowledge." > --Albert Einstein > > > -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From erich at thinkspark.com Fri Jul 2 10:54:20 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Fri Jul 2 09:43:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggestions for Network/Phone cabling Message-ID: <1088780060.26462.100.camel@localhost> Greetings, Does anyone here have any recommendations for any local companies that do network/telephone wiring in offices? I've got a rough estimate of how much the parts would cost if I did it myself, but I'm curious how much it would be to have someone else do it. Thanks! Eric Hobbs From chardon47 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 09:00:21 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 2 09:46:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggestions for Network/Phone cabling In-Reply-To: <1088780060.26462.100.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040702150021.83145.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> I have a buddy that does that in his spare time, if you want to contact me, I will give you his number. Eric Hobbs wrote:Greetings, Does anyone here have any recommendations for any local companies that do network/telephone wiring in offices? I've got a rough estimate of how much the parts would cost if I did it myself, but I'm curious how much it would be to have someone else do it. Thanks! Eric Hobbs _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield Registered Linux User #351047 From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Fri Jul 2 11:37:58 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jul 2 10:23:40 2004 Subject: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? In-Reply-To: <200407021448.i62EmvDr007758@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200407021448.i62EmvDr007758@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1088782678.7179.22.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > check out the Inspirons from Dell with the WUXGA (1920x1200) > displays. At 15.4" they really have a lot of display area and the image is super crisp > (I have one of those, and display quality or size would not be one of my concerns). > > -Borries I have a Dell laptop at work with the 1400 x 1050 display and have found the text to be so tiny that it's hard to read. I know you can adjust text sizes for most of the desktop applications, etc. but some websites are made with stylesheets that force it to render itty-bitty text, and oftentimes the rendering gets ugly when you use huge fonts. Not that I mind high resolution displays, but if I'm going to use a 1920 x 1200 monitor, I want it to be at least 21" in size. From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 2 12:00:34 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Fri Jul 2 10:46:32 2004 Subject: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? In-Reply-To: <1088782678.7179.22.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <200407021600.i62G0YHw004198@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> The great thing about Dell is that getting a Docking station online it is almost impossible to NOT find one on ebay for more than $200. I have two Dell Inspirons, one 8200 and my upgraded 8100 to 8200 "I call it my 8150" Both have docking stations which cost total a bit under $250 with the monitor stands. I use two Samsung SyncMaster 192n LCDs, and I get a excellent resolution. The cost is a bit high, but if you like to mod things, then getting a notebook WOULD be your best bet for a quiet machine. However, replacing parts would be your problem in the future. The more you pay for the notebook, the more likely you will be able to find swappable parts from newer released models. Like the Inspiron 8100 which was my first notebook, the 8200 internals fit right into the same chasis. Total cost of the upgrade was less than $900 on ebay. Huge improvement from a 1.13Ghz P3 to a 2.4Ghz P4, from 256MB PC133 to 1GB PC2100 DDR. Look into notebooks that older models like similar to the newer models of the manufacture. As with the 8500 to the 8600, guts are swappable. I am planning on purchasing a XPS Gamer edition next month, and I really don't look into the mobility of notebooks anymore. I do admit, its much easyer to carry a laptop, and a LCD than to carry a Case, and a CRT. Joe -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Sean Carolan Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:38 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? > check out the Inspirons from Dell with the WUXGA (1920x1200) displays. > At 15.4" they really have a lot of display area and the image is super > crisp (I have one of those, and display quality or size would not be one of my concerns). > > -Borries I have a Dell laptop at work with the 1400 x 1050 display and have found the text to be so tiny that it's hard to read. I know you can adjust text sizes for most of the desktop applications, etc. but some websites are made with stylesheets that force it to render itty-bitty text, and oftentimes the rendering gets ugly when you use huge fonts. Not that I mind high resolution displays, but if I'm going to use a 1920 x 1200 monitor, I want it to be at least 21" in size. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From msellers at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 2 12:28:07 2004 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Fri Jul 2 11:14:53 2004 Subject: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? In-Reply-To: <1088780147.7179.10.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <20040702140939.7C375E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <1088780147.7179.10.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40E58D17.2050106@sbcglobal.net> Have you looked into something with a Transmeta Crusoe processor? They are supposed to run very cool . http://www.transmeta.com/crusoe/features.html Mike Sean Carolan wrote: >We might go with a couple of the Shuttle Zen XPC units. I like the fact >that the power supply is an external brick instead of built into the >system. And the heatsink on the CPU looks really far out - they managed >to cool the whole system with one fan on the back of the case, so I >imagine it's got to run fairly quiet. The small form factor is also a >plus. > > > > > >On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 09:09, David Guarneri wrote: > > >>Perhaps you could try a cooled case? Maybe these links can help. >> >>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=koolance&btnG=Google+Search >>http://www.overclockers.com/topiclist/index09.asp#CASE%20COOLING >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill >>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:05:26 -0700 (PDT) >>To: sean@medicalresourceusa.com,"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >>Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? >> >> >> >> >>N. David Guarneri >> >>"Imagination is more important than knowledge." >>--Albert Einstein >> >> >> >> >> From eli at then7.com Fri Jul 2 12:49:04 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Fri Jul 2 11:34:28 2004 Subject: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? In-Reply-To: <1088782678.7179.22.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <200407021448.i62EmvDr007758@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1088782678.7179.22.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <1088786944.23422b71ff7ba@www.then7.com> > I have a Dell laptop at work with the 1400 x 1050 display > and have found the text to be so tiny that it's hard to > read. i have the same problem on my laptop with windows xp. but running linux, it seems like everything scales - fonts, icons, toolbars... far more then windows. i usually run kde, or fluxbox. ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From ndavidg at lycos.com Fri Jul 2 12:57:53 2004 From: ndavidg at lycos.com (David Guarneri) Date: Fri Jul 2 11:43:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops Message-ID: <20040702165753.A9D9FCA07C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Man, this lycos things is not working for me. When I reply it turns the original mail into an attachment. Lycos has to be the worst mail service ever. I guess I'll have to finally set up Ximian using my roadrunner account. Now where did I leave that cable receipt... In any case, speaking of laptops, I have a few things to say. I have not bought a Dell myself, but I have used one or two, and they are very pretty. The LCD's are remarkably beautiful. Most of my experience has been with IBM thinkpads: A30, T30, T40. I would recommend and IBM thinkpad as they really hold up well to abuse and are good quality computers. Some early T30'S had a problem with the memory but I think that has been fixed now. The T40, which uses the Pentium M processor is a nice, slim workhorse. You will need a Linux distribution with the 2.6 kernel to take advantage of the variable speed energy-saving processor. Otherwise the battery management tools will not install well. The T30, an older model, uses a Pentium 4 processor, and does not have those issues when using the 2.4 kernel. They both come with both pointer and touchpad. IMHO, stay away from HP or Compaq laptops. They have poorly-lit LCD screens that are flimsy and are known to break. My wife has a Toshiba and it's held up quite well although after two years the LCD screen is starting to get a little flimsy. It is a good computer, though not my favorite, as I find the keyboard layout confusing and the touchpad below par. Now as far as this whole docking bit: IMHO, this concept is a bit outdated. You can get a USB hub at Wal-Mart for $20.00 and hook up all your devices (sans monitor) to it. When you get home, all you have to do is hook up the USB hub, the monitor, and the AC adapter. You can velcro them together to a portion of your desk so that you don't have to go hunting on your knees for the ends of the cables. If you have hotplug, type "/etc/init.d/hotplug restart" at the root prompt to pick up your newly connected devices. And while we are in the subject of notebook upgrades, does anyone know or have any experience with upgrading a CPU on the Thinkpad A30? Is this possible? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NaT" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:00:34 -0500 To: ,"'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 2 13:17:34 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Fri Jul 2 12:03:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops In-Reply-To: <20040702165753.A9D9FCA07C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200407021717.i62HHYBv017230@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> I do, do notebook repairs and upgrades. I had a iSeries IBM that it took me over 6 hours to dismantle the thing. (thanks to some searching from fellow SATLUGGERs) We got the schematics on the A30m. Depending on your build of the A30, the A30m and some of the other models have stocked bus, so upgrading to a bigger and badder chip, won't do much other than maybe increase the Cache on the Chip itself. I have really noticed on the Centrino Panasonic Toughbooks, that the 1.6Ghz Pentium-M 1MB cache, barely can touch the performance of the 1.4Ghz P-M 2MB cache. Intel is really building a replacement processor set these days. My personal opinion is as soon as the Centrino/Pentium-M series chips hit the market hard enough, Celeron may phase out, and standard Pentium class chips will become the low cost processor. But that's just my opinion w/o research. "2.8Ghz Celeron w/ 128Kb on die cache seems to me a waste of time." "If you want a notebook to bash people's heads in and still open it up and play games. Check out the CF-50 Toughbook" Joe -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of David Guarneri Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:58 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops Man, this lycos things is not working for me. When I reply it turns the original mail into an attachment. Lycos has to be the worst mail service ever. I guess I'll have to finally set up Ximian using my roadrunner account. Now where did I leave that cable receipt... In any case, speaking of laptops, I have a few things to say. I have not bought a Dell myself, but I have used one or two, and they are very pretty. The LCD's are remarkably beautiful. Most of my experience has been with IBM thinkpads: A30, T30, T40. I would recommend and IBM thinkpad as they really hold up well to abuse and are good quality computers. Some early T30'S had a problem with the memory but I think that has been fixed now. The T40, which uses the Pentium M processor is a nice, slim workhorse. You will need a Linux distribution with the 2.6 kernel to take advantage of the variable speed energy-saving processor. Otherwise the battery management tools will not install well. The T30, an older model, uses a Pentium 4 processor, and does not have those issues when using the 2.4 kernel. They both come with both pointer and touchpad. IMHO, stay away from HP or Compaq laptops. They have poorly-lit LCD screens that are flimsy and are known to break. My wife has a Toshiba and it's held up quite well although after two years the LCD screen is starting to get a little flimsy. It is a good computer, though not my favorite, as I find the keyboard layout confusing and the touchpad below par. Now as far as this whole docking bit: IMHO, this concept is a bit outdated. You can get a USB hub at Wal-Mart for $20.00 and hook up all your devices (sans monitor) to it. When you get home, all you have to do is hook up the USB hub, the monitor, and the AC adapter. You can velcro them together to a portion of your desk so that you don't have to go hunting on your knees for the ends of the cables. If you have hotplug, type "/etc/init.d/hotplug restart" at the root prompt to pick up your newly connected devices. And while we are in the subject of notebook upgrades, does anyone know or have any experience with upgrading a CPU on the Thinkpad A30? Is this possible? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NaT" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:00:34 -0500 To: ,"'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From hstreit at swri.edu Fri Jul 2 14:13:28 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Fri Jul 2 12:59:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <1088744899.24129.3.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <200407020409.i6249Ao8018905@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> <1088744899.24129.3.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <40E5A5C8.4090306@swri.edu> A side note of Belkin stuff, their UPSs work a whole lot better than the Tripp-Lites... :) and I agree with you on their cables. Belkin's gold-tipped-anything cables rock! Matt wrote: > On the subject of KVM switches, I have to side with what everyone else > is saying.. (could ya see that one coming??) > > I bought a Tripp-Lite KVM used from Electronic Surplus for $20 It's buss > powered and is very easy to install. If you can, and to avoid the > wall-wart, get one that pulls its power from the keyboard or mouse. If I > were you though, I'd avoid Belkin equipment ( wireless, network, etc...) > like the plague. (except their cables. They seem to get that right..) > > Hope this helps.. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From bazin_m at strakejesuit.org Fri Jul 2 14:13:52 2004 From: bazin_m at strakejesuit.org (Mark Bazin) Date: Fri Jul 2 13:00:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops Message-ID: On laptops -- I've got a bit of experience with the IBMs, Compaqs and Dells. My favorite is unquestionably the IBM. You'll pay more for it, but it's totally worth it. Great build-quality all-around, and after you tweak Windows and remove a lot of the pre-loaded crap, it runs VERY fast! But then again, you'll be running Linux, right? :) I just got the chance to work with a new IBM a week ago, and it was just fabulous. I wish it were mine. Dell, I have not had good luck with lately. I used to always love Dell laptops, so I recommended one to one of the guys here, and it's had to be serviced three times in the past year. The screen is a WXGA, so it's awesome, but the laptop seemed to be sluggish, despite being a VERY fast processor (don't remember what speed). Twice it's had the motherboard replaced (once the machine just wouldn't power on at all, and once the NIC went out), and now it's for full replacement because it got VERY wet. Okay, that's not Dell's fault . . . I'm hoping that the replacement is better than the last one. I've also had a few other folks here with Dell laptops, and they were all sluggish, with other little problems that bothered me. Perhaps their quality is better now, but I'm holding off on Dell for a while . . . I'm writing this on a Compaq Evo N620c -- it's a higher-end model that are sold heavily to schools. I'm sure it's purchasable other ways too. Next door, the school there has a laptop program and all their students have these. My sister has one (through that school - St. Agnes), and we have about 25 here (at the school I work at, Strake Jesuit). I've had great luck with them, as they are durable, fast, and featureful. I definitely recommend them, although the recent announcement of memory problems in these laptops doesn't surprise me -- I've had a few that have very strange oddities that I've never been able to track down . . . Mark >>> ndavidg@lycos.com 07/02/04 11:57 AM >>> Man, this lycos things is not working for me. When I reply it turns the original mail into an attachment. Lycos has to be the worst mail service ever. I guess I'll have to finally set up Ximian using my roadrunner account. Now where did I leave that cable receipt... In any case, speaking of laptops, I have a few things to say. I have not bought a Dell myself, but I have used one or two, and they are very pretty. The LCD's are remarkably beautiful. Most of my experience has been with IBM thinkpads: A30, T30, T40. I would recommend and IBM thinkpad as they really hold up well to abuse and are good quality computers. Some early T30'S had a problem with the memory but I think that has been fixed now. The T40, which uses the Pentium M processor is a nice, slim workhorse. You will need a Linux distribution with the 2.6 kernel to take advantage of the variable speed energy-saving processor. Otherwise the battery management tools will not install well. The T30, an older model, uses a Pentium 4 processor, and does not have those issues when using the 2.4 kernel. They both come with both pointer and touchpad. IMHO, stay away from HP or Compaq laptops. They have poorly-lit LCD screens that are flimsy and are known to break. My wife has a Toshiba and it's held up quite well although after two years the LCD screen is starting to get a little flimsy. It is a good computer, though not my favorite, as I find the keyboard layout confusing and the touchpad below par. Now as far as this whole docking bit: IMHO, this concept is a bit outdated. You can get a USB hub at Wal-Mart for $20.00 and hook up all your devices (sans monitor) to it. When you get home, all you have to do is hook up the USB hub, the monitor, and the AC adapter. You can velcro them together to a portion of your desk so that you don't have to go hunting on your knees for the ends of the cables. If you have hotplug, type "/etc/init.d/hotplug restart" at the root prompt to pick up your newly connected devices. And while we are in the subject of notebook upgrades, does anyone know or have any experience with upgrading a CPU on the Thinkpad A30? Is this possible? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NaT" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:00:34 -0500 To: ,"'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Fw: Re: [SATLUG] Quiet PC? N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From ndavidg at lycos.com Fri Jul 2 14:24:05 2004 From: ndavidg at lycos.com (David Guarneri) Date: Fri Jul 2 13:10:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops Message-ID: <20040702182405.A68C5CA07C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NaT" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:17:34 -0500 To: "'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops >"...upgrading to a bigger and badder chip, won't do much > other than maybe increase the Cache on the Chip itself" Thanks for your reply. On my A30, I am running pro audio software. Most of it does either hard disk reading/recording or some sort of physical modeling of a synth or studio gear. It runs fine when I am running FL Studio 4, several instances of Pro-53 and FM7 VST plug-ins, and Sony Soundforge to boot, but when I open up NI Spektral Delay it all goes to hell. I imagine there must be a lot of number crunching going on in the CPU. I do intend on adding a disk drive to put the OS on one drive and the apps/files on the other. In this scenario, how much of an improvement will a CPU upgrade make? Thanks. N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From jr7958 at sbc.com Fri Jul 2 14:37:00 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Fri Jul 2 13:22:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM Message-ID: <02DC5321B547994EBCCEFCEE7814AB62BE39D2@mostls1msgusr01.itservices.sbc.com> I have a belkin omniview 4 port kvm that has mouse issues when switching pcs. It has a place to plug in a power adapter. Does anybody think that plugging in a universal power adapter would do anything differently? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of H. Streit Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:13 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KVM A side note of Belkin stuff, their UPSs work a whole lot better than the Tripp-Lites... :) and I agree with you on their cables. Belkin's gold-tipped-anything cables rock! Matt wrote: > On the subject of KVM switches, I have to side with what everyone else > is saying.. (could ya see that one coming??) > > I bought a Tripp-Lite KVM used from Electronic Surplus for $20 It's buss > powered and is very easy to install. If you can, and to avoid the > wall-wart, get one that pulls its power from the keyboard or mouse. If I > were you though, I'd avoid Belkin equipment ( wireless, network, etc...) > like the plague. (except their cables. They seem to get that right..) > > Hope this helps.. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 2 14:39:32 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Fri Jul 2 13:25:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops In-Reply-To: <20040702182405.A68C5CA07C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200407021839.i62IdWo8023555@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> David, From my standpoint, a upgrade from a P3 1.13Ghz w/ 512Kb cache to a P4 2.4 512Kb cache was pretty much a night and day difference. The cache on the chips stayed the same but the speed at which I was able to load programs was dramatic. Although that could have been due to the RAM increase as well. >From 256MB PC133 to 1024MB PC2100DDR. I looked into ibm's website on the A30 series, and of course multiple models. If you have a P3 1Ghz moving to a P3 1.2Ghz would make a speed/loading time difference. Since the chips may just be the Mobile series, then your in luck wise because you'll have eith 512Kb of cache on the chips. What model of the A30 do you have? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of David Guarneri Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:24 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops ----- Original Message ----- From: "NaT" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:17:34 -0500 To: "'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Upgrading Laptops >"...upgrading to a bigger and badder chip, won't do much other than >maybe increase the Cache on the Chip itself" Thanks for your reply. On my A30, I am running pro audio software. Most of it does either hard disk reading/recording or some sort of physical modeling of a synth or studio gear. It runs fine when I am running FL Studio 4, several instances of Pro-53 and FM7 VST plug-ins, and Sony Soundforge to boot, but when I open up NI Spektral Delay it all goes to hell. I imagine there must be a lot of number crunching going on in the CPU. I do intend on adding a disk drive to put the OS on one drive and the apps/files on the other. In this scenario, how much of an improvement will a CPU upgrade make? Thanks. N. David Guarneri "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 2 14:44:34 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Fri Jul 2 13:30:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <02DC5321B547994EBCCEFCEE7814AB62BE39D2@mostls1msgusr01.itservices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <200407021844.i62IiYQ2005213@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> For the omniview, it might retain connections when you are switched to another pc. Problems... Well like what has been mentioned already, is that if it is not designed to keep the computer thinking that there is a mouse/kb connected to it, then it just wont help in getting the power adaptor. But if for instance, you do get the AC adaptor for it, and it is electronically powered up all the time, then it just may help. Nothing worse than buying a rental AC adaptor from a Radioshack, and if it doesn't work. Take it back. "I used to work for Ratshack, and that was the most common scenario I encountered for my two years." Joe -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI) Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:37 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM I have a belkin omniview 4 port kvm that has mouse issues when switching pcs. It has a place to plug in a power adapter. Does anybody think that plugging in a universal power adapter would do anything differently? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of H. Streit Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:13 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KVM A side note of Belkin stuff, their UPSs work a whole lot better than the Tripp-Lites... :) and I agree with you on their cables. Belkin's gold-tipped-anything cables rock! Matt wrote: > On the subject of KVM switches, I have to side with what everyone else > is saying.. (could ya see that one coming??) > > I bought a Tripp-Lite KVM used from Electronic Surplus for $20 It's buss > powered and is very easy to install. If you can, and to avoid the > wall-wart, get one that pulls its power from the keyboard or mouse. If I > were you though, I'd avoid Belkin equipment ( wireless, network, etc...) > like the plague. (except their cables. They seem to get that right..) > > Hope this helps.. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jr7958 at sbc.com Fri Jul 2 14:56:03 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Fri Jul 2 13:42:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM Message-ID: <02DC5321B547994EBCCEFCEE7814AB62BE39D3@mostls1msgusr01.itservices.sbc.com> Is this belkin kvm electronically powered? I'm not sure what that means. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of NaT Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:45 PM To: 'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List' Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM For the omniview, it might retain connections when you are switched to another pc. Problems... Well like what has been mentioned already, is that if it is not designed to keep the computer thinking that there is a mouse/kb connected to it, then it just wont help in getting the power adaptor. But if for instance, you do get the AC adaptor for it, and it is electronically powered up all the time, then it just may help. Nothing worse than buying a rental AC adaptor from a Radioshack, and if it doesn't work. Take it back. "I used to work for Ratshack, and that was the most common scenario I encountered for my two years." Joe -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI) Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:37 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM I have a belkin omniview 4 port kvm that has mouse issues when switching pcs. It has a place to plug in a power adapter. Does anybody think that plugging in a universal power adapter would do anything differently? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of H. Streit Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:13 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KVM A side note of Belkin stuff, their UPSs work a whole lot better than the Tripp-Lites... :) and I agree with you on their cables. Belkin's gold-tipped-anything cables rock! Matt wrote: > On the subject of KVM switches, I have to side with what everyone else > is saying.. (could ya see that one coming??) > > I bought a Tripp-Lite KVM used from Electronic Surplus for $20 It's buss > powered and is very easy to install. If you can, and to avoid the > wall-wart, get one that pulls its power from the keyboard or mouse. If I > were you though, I'd avoid Belkin equipment ( wireless, network, etc...) > like the plague. (except their cables. They seem to get that right..) > > Hope this helps.. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 2 15:03:43 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Fri Jul 2 13:49:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM In-Reply-To: <02DC5321B547994EBCCEFCEE7814AB62BE39D3@mostls1msgusr01.itservices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <200407021903.i62J3hBv008987@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> Electronically powered means the device pulls power from either through the connections, or through a power source. What this means is that when the KVM switches between PCs, it electronically switches, commonly leaving a active connection on the previous PC making the all the machines connected to it "think" that a kb/mouse is connected at all times. Mechanically is like flipping a light switch. Or turning a toggle. Commonly you find parallel/serial switches do this. These basically trip the circuit, and the previous machine losses all connections between the kb/mouse. Once you switch back to the PC the PC goes on the frits -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI) Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:56 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM Is this belkin kvm electronically powered? I'm not sure what that means. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of NaT Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:45 PM To: 'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List' Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM For the omniview, it might retain connections when you are switched to another pc. Problems... Well like what has been mentioned already, is that if it is not designed to keep the computer thinking that there is a mouse/kb connected to it, then it just wont help in getting the power adaptor. But if for instance, you do get the AC adaptor for it, and it is electronically powered up all the time, then it just may help. Nothing worse than buying a rental AC adaptor from a Radioshack, and if it doesn't work. Take it back. "I used to work for Ratshack, and that was the most common scenario I encountered for my two years." Joe -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI) Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:37 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM I have a belkin omniview 4 port kvm that has mouse issues when switching pcs. It has a place to plug in a power adapter. Does anybody think that plugging in a universal power adapter would do anything differently? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of H. Streit Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:13 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KVM A side note of Belkin stuff, their UPSs work a whole lot better than the Tripp-Lites... :) and I agree with you on their cables. Belkin's gold-tipped-anything cables rock! Matt wrote: > On the subject of KVM switches, I have to side with what everyone else > is saying.. (could ya see that one coming??) > > I bought a Tripp-Lite KVM used from Electronic Surplus for $20 It's buss > powered and is very easy to install. If you can, and to avoid the > wall-wart, get one that pulls its power from the keyboard or mouse. If I > were you though, I'd avoid Belkin equipment ( wireless, network, etc...) > like the plague. (except their cables. They seem to get that right..) > > Hope this helps.. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jr7958 at sbc.com Fri Jul 2 15:10:13 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Fri Jul 2 13:56:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] KVM Message-ID: <02DC5321B547994EBCCEFCEE7814AB62BE39D5@mostls1msgusr01.itservices.sbc.com> Thanks for the detailed explanation. The belkin KVM that I was speaking of is currently powered from the connections but also has a spot to plug in a power adapter. I have a power adapter at home and will try it later, but I doubt that it will make any difference. The previous person was right, this belkin kvm is a POS. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of NaT Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:04 PM To: 'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List' Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM Electronically powered means the device pulls power from either through the connections, or through a power source. What this means is that when the KVM switches between PCs, it electronically switches, commonly leaving a active connection on the previous PC making the all the machines connected to it "think" that a kb/mouse is connected at all times. Mechanically is like flipping a light switch. Or turning a toggle. Commonly you find parallel/serial switches do this. These basically trip the circuit, and the previous machine losses all connections between the kb/mouse. Once you switch back to the PC the PC goes on the frits -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI) Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:56 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM Is this belkin kvm electronically powered? I'm not sure what that means. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of NaT Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:45 PM To: 'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List' Subject: RE: [SATLUG] KVM For the omniview, it might retain connections when you are switched to another pc. Problems... Well like what has been mentioned already, is that if it is not designed to keep the computer thinking th