From soopurman at yahoo.com Tue Jun 1 00:47:30 2004 From: soopurman at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Tue Jun 1 01:45:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio Message-ID: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> I get pretty good results using mirrors.kernel.org for the debian and fedora repositories. I'm pretty sure this is a round-robin DNS load-balancing alias. Sometimes it connects me to a server from which I download near the maximum bandwidth capacity of my residential cable modem connection (384 kbps down, Road Runner Time Warner), while other times I'm randomly connected to a server that feeds me only half or a quarter as fast. I'm currently playing with mandrake and looking forward to the suse 9.1 ftp release on June 4 (I must be a distro-slut). Neither of these have nearly as many mirrors to choose from. Mandrake, for example, has ftp.phys.ttu.edu (Texas Tech), but its not very fast, and traceroute gets lost after 16 hops (*** down to to max 30 hops) trying to find it. My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. thanks for your info, - mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Jun 1 03:11:05 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Tue Jun 1 02:08:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40BC2C09.8070806@futuretechsolutions.com> hmm - oddly enough - i've always had better luck with offshore mirrors. ftp.belnet.be is one of my favorites, really sweet speed, though sometimes not quite up to date. Lately i've had good speed with ftp.nluug.nl and ftp.surfnet.nl i haven't checked the hops, so i don't know where all the traffic goes through. Charles Mike wrote: > I get pretty good results using mirrors.kernel.org for the >debian and fedora repositories. I'm pretty sure this is a >round-robin DNS load-balancing alias. Sometimes it connects me to a >server from which I download near the maximum bandwidth capacity of >my residential cable modem connection (384 kbps down, Road Runner >Time Warner), while other times I'm randomly connected to a server >that feeds me only half or a quarter as fast. I'm currently playing >with mandrake and looking forward to the suse 9.1 ftp release on June >4 (I must be a distro-slut). Neither of these have nearly as many >mirrors to choose from. Mandrake, for example, has ftp.phys.ttu.edu >(Texas Tech), but its not very fast, and traceroute gets lost after >16 hops (*** down to to max 30 hops) trying to find it. > My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you >know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I >can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an >rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go >through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 >hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas >city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before >coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to >use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. > >thanks for your info, > - mike > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From erich at thinkspark.com Tue Jun 1 09:20:56 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 08:21:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Configuring grub in Core 2? In-Reply-To: <40BB82B0.4050706@swbell.net> References: <20040529205608.GA27244@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> <40BB56F3.9050603@swbell.net> <20040531182458.GD12870@syn.bamm.net> <40BB82B0.4050706@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1086096056.4879.18.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 14:08, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Hmm. OK. Can you point me to an explaination of why the 2.6 kernel > changes the way grub works and affects the parttion table? On the > surface, your comment doesn't make sense to me. I'd like to understand > what is happening. > > Thanks. > > -- Bruce I agree. There's something in there that doesn't make sense. Why would a kernel that hasn't been booted yet cause another operating system to fail? Maybe what they mean is that the Linux kernel that is used during the installation process (presumably 2.6.x) isn't enumerating the partitions correctly and is causing problems later when the disk is sliced up for dual-boot... Hmmmm. I wonder if the partitioning process is "re-numbering" the partitions, so that the boot partition specified in the boot.ini of the Windows partition isn't pointing to the correct partition anymore. Normally, the boot.ini would look something like this: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect ..but if the partition number changes due to a changing partition map, Windows won't boot unless you can point boot.ini to the correct spot. Who knows... --Eric From erich at thinkspark.com Tue Jun 1 09:24:42 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 08:25:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Smoothie Trouble In-Reply-To: <000b01c44779$b5f8c190$070b0a0a@blackbox> References: <1086048544.2234.98.camel@laptop> <000b01c44779$b5f8c190$070b0a0a@blackbox> Message-ID: <1086096282.4879.21.camel@localhost> By the way, fix package #3 has been released for the Smoothie. It's a 2.4.26 upgrade and some SSL fixes, methinks. --Eric From akonstam at trinity.edu Tue Jun 1 10:22:57 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Tue Jun 1 09:17:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] For the department of obsolete equipment. Message-ID: <20040601142257.GA2904@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Does any one have an external (plugs into a parallel) port 100MB iomega Zip drive that they would be willing to get rid of for a reasonable fee. I am willing to consider usb zip drives if one was available and someone knew how to get it working with Linux. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From dubose at texas.net Tue Jun 1 10:21:41 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Tue Jun 1 09:19:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux Message-ID: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> > > Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > > doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > > -- Bruce > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > > Chuck Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM and would always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more RAM. What happened to Linux? Walt From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Jun 1 11:20:45 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:19:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <1086103246.2259.143.camel@laptop> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 09:21, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > > > doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > > > -- Bruce > > > > > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > > > > > Chuck > > Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. > > I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM and would > always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more RAM. > > What happened to Linux? > > Walt I'll tell you what happened. The same people who whined about MS bloat also moaned and bitched about Linux not being accepted as a desktop. So, they demanded that Linux be made more "competitive" in the desktop arena -- and that means putting in BLOAT. The current desktops have so much built in and start so many processes running that they eat up all your resources -- sorta like Winblows! And its nothing new Walt. I'm running RedHat 7.3 on a laptop. Booting it eats up almost 40Meg. Starting X eats up more than 40 more Meg. And then starting up Evolution eats up the rest of the 128Meg on the box. After that, almost anything else I start (StarOffice, Mozilla, etc) starts getting into swap. As if this laptop isn't already slow enough -- that really hurts it. Chuck From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 1 11:21:50 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:19:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> dubose@texas.net wrote: >>>Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL >>>doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. >>> -- Bruce >>> >>> >>I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older >>distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like >>that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. >> >>Chuck >> >> >Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. > >I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM and would >always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more RAM. > >What happened to Linux? > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to see that they have a tonn of daemons running. OTOH, I just set up a series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. -- Bruce From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 1 11:46:27 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:44:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <40B7441D.3080208@satx.rr.com> References: <40AE04BB.1070205@accdvm.accd.edu> <40B7441D.3080208@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <40BCA4D3.7040301@swbell.net> garza wrote: > I am anxiously looking forward to the installfest. > > I was wondering as to what flavor of Linux will be installed? Will > this be a customized install or install everything? > > Will this be an install from CDROM or from FTP? We can install RH 7.3, 8, or 9 from FTP. We can install any others you may have from CDROM. > I would like to invite some people who are curious about Linux. They > have a spare PC (Win98) and want to try it out. I would like more > info about what can or will be installed. I think that everyone > should try to bring a windows neophyte to show them the benefits of > using Linux as a desktop. An installfest would be the best time to > win some converts. All will be welcome. Be sure to have them defrag before they bring a system. -- Bruce From pac at fortuitous.com Tue Jun 1 11:52:33 2004 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:50:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Consulting In-Reply-To: <1086003115.4241.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086003115.4241.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040601155233.GA22476@mail.fortuitous.com> On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 06:31:55AM -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > I'm looking for a paid consultant to spend an hour or two with me going > over our server and network setup. We have a central server running > Fedora Core 2 and several thin-client workstations. Sean, Did you find a consultant yet? If so, please post or reply. -Phil .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 1 11:57:05 2004 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert Lochli) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:58:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40BCC371.C64FCBBA@satx.rr.com> It brings you to 204 a 71.33% game - CONGRATULATIONS. No other masterpoints were changed, just score percents. I will post a change on the net much later today - computer problem to solve for a client. BiigAl Mike wrote: > > I get pretty good results using mirrors.kernel.org for the > debian and fedora repositories. I'm pretty sure this is a > round-robin DNS load-balancing alias. Sometimes it connects me to a > server from which I download near the maximum bandwidth capacity of > my residential cable modem connection (384 kbps down, Road Runner > Time Warner), while other times I'm randomly connected to a server > that feeds me only half or a quarter as fast. I'm currently playing > with mandrake and looking forward to the suse 9.1 ftp release on June > 4 (I must be a distro-slut). Neither of these have nearly as many > mirrors to choose from. Mandrake, for example, has ftp.phys.ttu.edu > (Texas Tech), but its not very fast, and traceroute gets lost after > 16 hops (*** down to to max 30 hops) trying to find it. > My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you > know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I > can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an > rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go > through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 > hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas > city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before > coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to > use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. > > thanks for your info, > - mike > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Tue Jun 1 12:19:09 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Tue Jun 1 11:16:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux Message-ID: <20040601161909.9B6451654919@mail1.aus1.texas.net> Bruce Dubbs wrote... > dubose@texas.net wrote: > > >>>Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > >>>doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > >>> -- Bruce > >>> > >>> > >>I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > >>distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > >>that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > >> > >>Chuck > >> > >> > >Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. > > > >I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM and would > >always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more RAM. > > > >What happened to Linux? > > > > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to > add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to > see that they have a tonn of daemons running. OTOH, I just set up a > series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the > total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: > > http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. > In response to Chuck and Bruce...well I KNEW the answer...it just that folks have forgotten KISS. And Bruce has the right idea. Maybe I'll get around to taking a course in Linux From Scratch when I retire. I hope you are still teaching it Bruce. Walt From mayonakaha at vashir.com Tue Jun 1 11:46:28 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (MayonakaHa) Date: Tue Jun 1 11:44:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <20040601161909.9B6451654919@mail1.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040601161909.9B6451654919@mail1.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <1086108394.56D18CA@r31.dngr.org> It's not quite that they've forgotten KISS in the major distro makers, it's that KISS has been moved from how to make the distro to how to make it simpler to use for Joe Sixpack which I think is great because purist users still have distro choices. The arguments I see between the "purists" and the "user friendly" people are asinine. It's like when I see someone saying to my girlfriends dad that he's not a purist because his sailboat has a motor for emergency or low wind situations. Plus a motor is great for beginners who hardly know what they're doing. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:36am, dubose@texas.net wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote... >> dubose@texas.net wrote: >> >> >>>Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL >> >>>doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. >> >>> -- Bruce >> >>> >> >>> >> >>I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older >> >>distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something >> like >> >>that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. >> >> >> >>Chuck >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. >> > >> >I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M >> RAM and > would >> >always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more >> RAM. >> > >> >What happened to Linux? >> > >> >> What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try >> to >> add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to >> see that they have a tonn of daemons running. OTOH, I just set up a >> series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the >> total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details >> see: >> >> http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf >> >> Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. >> > > In response to Chuck and Bruce...well I KNEW the answer...it just that > folks > have forgotten KISS. > > And Bruce has the right idea. Maybe I'll get around to taking a course > in > Linux From Scratch when I retire. I hope you are still teaching it > Bruce. > > Walt > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug This message sent via Danger Hiptop (www.danger.com) From swinston at global-gaming.com Tue Jun 1 13:31:27 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Tue Jun 1 12:30:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Volunteering at Installfest Message-ID: When is the next installfest? What all do we need in the way of volunteers? If I have time, I'd be willing to help out, if the timing is right (i.e. no previous commitments...) -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC Gosh that takes me back... or is it forward? That's the trouble with time travel, you never can tell." -- Doctor Who, "Androids of Tara" From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 1 13:49:51 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 1 12:47:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio In-Reply-To: <40BCC371.C64FCBBA@satx.rr.com> References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> <40BCC371.C64FCBBA@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:57:05 -0700, Albert Lochli wrote: >It brings you to 204 a 71.33% game - CONGRATULATIONS. > >No other masterpoints were changed, just score percents. > >I will post a change on the net much later today - computer problem to >solve for a client. > > >BiigAl BiigAl-- Was that a symptom of the computer problem? --Don (Anyone wonder what he sent the bridge player?) From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 1 14:01:03 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 1 12:58:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] For the department of obsolete equipment. In-Reply-To: <20040601142257.GA2904@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> References: <20040601142257.GA2904@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:22:57 -0500, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote: >Does any one have an external (plugs into a parallel) port 100MB >iomega Zip drive Did ya ever notice that your need for gear comes immediately after the weekend of the computer show? And by the time the next one rolls around you've either already bought something else or forgotten what you need, until just after the show closes, of course. Why is that? Hope this time you can get what you want, or at least what you need. From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 1 14:08:37 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 1 13:06:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Volunteering at Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ahpb0durqcakqjrv9gle4v1irsv1vedrg@4ax.com> On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:31:27 -0500 (CDT), Steven Winston wrote: >When is the next installfest? What all do we need in the way of >volunteers? If I have time, I'd be willing to help out, if the timing is >right (i.e. no previous commitments...) There's one this Saturday. -=-=-=-=- On Fri, 21 May 2004 08:31:39 -0500, skolars@accdvm.accd.edu wrote: >Saturday, June 5th, we need to conduct an InstallFest. It will be in >the Nail Technical Center at San Antonio College. All volunteers will >be greatly appreciated. Orange juice, doughnuts, and coffee will be >provided for the workers, and as has become custom sandwiches and chips >will be provided for the workers at lunch time. Anyone wishing to have >Linux installed should come by NTC 140, June 1 - 4 to sign up for a time >slot. Signing up is not mandatory, but it really helps us provide a >smooth experience for everyone. If you want Linux installed you will >need to bring everything with you on Saturday (everything that you hook >up to your computer). If you are running a Microsoft operating system >(does that make sense), and want your system to be dual boot, remember >to defrag your hard drive *before* you bring your system in. Back up >any data you cannot afford to lose before you bring your system in. It >is rare that data is lost, but we make no guarantees. Heidi Webb will >be conducting an introduction to VIM session on that Saturday morning. >I will probably conduct an introduction to Linux session from 12 p.m. to >2 p.m. If anyone else wants to help with a session let me know. If all >goes well there will be another room set up for a FreeBSD InstallFest >that will run concurrently. > >Steve From akonstam at trinity.edu Tue Jun 1 16:51:16 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Tue Jun 1 15:45:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Configuring grub in Core 2? In-Reply-To: <20040531194622.GE12870@syn.bamm.net> References: <20040529205608.GA27244@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> <1086001788.4165.5.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BB56F3.9050603@swbell.net> <20040531182458.GD12870@syn.bamm.net> <40BB82B0.4050706@swbell.net> <20040531194622.GE12870@syn.bamm.net> Message-ID: <20040601205116.GC4173@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 02:46:22PM -0500, Bamm Visscher wrote: > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=115980 > > Check out comment #27. It has links to the linux kernel mailing lists and some information about the change in the way 2.6 deals with disk geometry. > > Bammkkkk > > On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 02:08:32PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Bamm Visscher wrote: > > > > >Just to clarify, this isn't just a FC2 problem but one that affects ALL > > >distro's based on the 2.6 Kernel (like Mandrake 10 and SuSE 9.1). > > > > Hmm. OK. Can you point me to an explaination of why the 2.6 kernel > > changes the way grub works and affects the parttion table? On the > > surface, your comment doesn't make sense to me. I'd like to understand > > what is happening. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- Bruce > > > > > > P.S. I've not heard of any problem like this in the LinuxFromScratch > > lists, but few people there dual boot. :) There is a lot of confusion about this partition table altering phenomena. From what I can see it is not a grub or kernel 2.6 problem but an installer problem. Even one persons claim that if the disks in the BIOS are set to LBA the problem will not occur is demonstrably false. The good news it is easy to fix so it does not so nay permanent damage. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Tue Jun 1 17:48:31 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 1 16:46:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? Message-ID: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails are originating from my computer. From skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu Tue Jun 1 17:53:34 2004 From: skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu (Steve Kolars) Date: Tue Jun 1 16:51:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Volunteering at Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BCFADE.2040702@venus.sac.accd.edu> Steven Winston wrote: >When is the next installfest? What all do we need in the way of >volunteers? If I have time, I'd be willing to help out, if the timing is >right (i.e. no previous commitments...) > >-- >Steven Winston >Global Gaming Innovations, LLC > >Gosh that takes me back... or is it forward? That's the trouble with >time travel, you never can tell." > -- Doctor Who, "Androids of Tara" >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > We always need workers. We are actually having a Linux and FreeBSD InstallFests running at the same time this Saturday. The InstallFest begins at 9 a.m., and runs until we finish. Coffee, orange juice, and doughnuts will be provided, for the workers, and should be ready about 8:30 a.m. Also lunch is provided for the workers. Steve From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 20:31:37 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 19:29:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <005201c44838$f737e360$6e01a8c0@thomas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Carolan" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? > I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email > address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin > to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on > top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails > are originating from my computer. Someone you know is infected. Many of the e-mail viruses harvest two random addresses from the victim's address book. The virus spoofs one of those addresses as the From address and sends a copy of itself to the other address. Don't sweat it as long as your AV definitions are up to date. Thomas From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 20:43:40 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 19:41:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dubbs" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to > add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to > see that they have a tonn of daemons running. Blah blah blah. I regularly set up Red Hat servers which use 40-60 megs of memory for running applications. If you choose an "Everything" installation of *any* off-the-shelf Linux distro and turn all the services on, you will see a ton of memory usage. Even if you turn off all the unnecessary services but then fire up a portly window manager like GNOME you will see a ton of memory usage. You can set up a RH9 box to run AfterStep or any other lightweight WM and it will sip at memory - 64 megs should be usable although not very snappy. > OTOH, I just set up a > series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the > total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: > > http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. You can do very lightweight a RH9 install and come pretty darned close to that. No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as thin as you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, it's uneducated users. Thomas From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Tue Jun 1 21:13:08 2004 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Tue Jun 1 20:10:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <1086138788.1738.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Here, here.... or Hear, Hear On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 19:43, Thomas Cameron wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Dubbs" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > > > > > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to > > add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to > > see that they have a tonn of daemons running. > > Blah blah blah. I regularly set up Red Hat servers which use 40-60 megs of > memory for running applications. If you choose an "Everything" installation > of *any* off-the-shelf Linux distro and turn all the services on, you will > see a ton of memory usage. > > Even if you turn off all the unnecessary services but then fire up a portly > window manager like GNOME you will see a ton of memory usage. > > You can set up a RH9 box to run AfterStep or any other lightweight WM and it > will sip at memory - 64 megs should be usable although not very snappy. > > > OTOH, I just set up a > > series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the > > total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: > > > > http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > > > Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. > > You can do very lightweight a RH9 install and come pretty darned close to > that. > > No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as thin as > you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, it's uneducated > users. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Timothy Beck From slacker at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:35 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Tue Jun 1 20:56:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <1086138788.1738.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <1086138788.1738.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Message-ID: <20040601210235.0b5586ed@malaga.home> I agree. I'm not a RH user, but any distro can be made to be "bloated" by running every conceivable service. A fat windowing environment combined with little ram and a slow processor will make things worse. Conversely, you can take any distro and lean it down by removing uneccessary services, compiling a custom kernel, etc. RH is trying to appeal to the masses, and that's ok. That's the beauty of Linux; choice! on Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:13:08 -0500 Timothy Beck wrote: > Here, here.... > > or Hear, Hear > > On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 19:43, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bruce Dubbs" > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > > > > > > > > > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... > > > try to add every conceivable application. You just have to do an > > > `ps -ef` to see that they have a tonn of daemons running. > > > > Blah blah blah. I regularly set up Red Hat servers which use 40-60 > > megs of memory for running applications. If you choose an > > "Everything" installation of *any* off-the-shelf Linux distro and > > turn all the services on, you will see a ton of memory usage. > > > > Even if you turn off all the unnecessary services but then fire up a > > portly window manager like GNOME you will see a ton of memory usage. > > > > You can set up a RH9 box to run AfterStep or any other lightweight > > WM and it will sip at memory - 64 megs should be usable although not > > very snappy. > > > > > OTOH, I just set up a > > > series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and > > > the total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For > > > details see: > > > > > > http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > > > > > Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. > > > > You can do very lightweight a RH9 install and come pretty darned > > close to that. > > > > No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as > > thin as you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, > > it's uneducated users. > > > > Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- > Timothy Beck > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 1 22:32:04 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 21:29:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net> Thomas Cameron wrote: >No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as thin as >you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, it's uneducated >users. > The issue is that the defaults result in a very large installation. How many users do you know that need nfs set up by default? What about Canna? xfs? mysqld? xinetd? New users have no knowledge base in order to make an intelligent choice. If you start blaming the users, then it sounds like a bit of elitism to me. It also sounds like Microsoft (Its not our software--its the users who don't install firewalls or misconfigure the system.) BTW, I didn't mean to single out RH. The other distros generally do the same thing with creeping featuritis. -- Bruce From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 22:48:53 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 21:46:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net><40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net> Message-ID: <014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dubbs" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > Thomas Cameron wrote: > > >No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as thin as > >you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, it's uneducated > >users. > > > > The issue is that the defaults result in a very large installation. How > many users do you know that need nfs set up by default? What about > Canna? xfs? mysqld? xinetd? New users have no knowledge base in order to > make an intelligent choice. Horse feathers. RTFM (https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ and/or https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/getting-started-guide/). It constantly amazes me that when someone gets a new stereo or a new microwave or a new toenail cutter they think it's perfectly reasonable to read the manual. But it is somehow Red Hat's fault that someone chooses an "Everything" installation and leaves the system wide open. > If you start blaming the users, then it sounds like a bit of elitism to > me. It also sounds like Microsoft (Its not our software--its the users > who don't install firewalls or misconfigure the system.) "Sorry I ran over that kid, but I didn't take the time to learn how to drive that car. It's Ford's fault anyway for selling me a car that could be used to run over a kid." > BTW, I didn't mean to single out RH. The other distros generally do the > same thing with creeping featuritis. Everyone has been clamoring for Linux to compete with Windows. Now that it offers a bunch of features (more than needed for 90% of the people out there), suddenly it's a bad thing. I don't get it. I guess some people just need to bitch about something. Bleh. Thomas From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 1 23:14:49 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:12:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net><40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net> <014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <40BD4629.80604@swbell.net> Thomas Cameron wrote: >>The issue is that the defaults result in a very large installation. How >>many users do you know that need nfs set up by default? What about >>Canna? xfs? mysqld? xinetd? New users have no knowledge base in order to >>make an intelligent choice. >> >> > >Horse feathers. RTFM >(https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ and/or >https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/getting-started-guide/). >It constantly amazes me that when someone gets a new stereo or a new >microwave or a new toenail cutter they think it's perfectly reasonable to >read the manual. But it is somehow Red Hat's fault that someone chooses an >"Everything" installation and leaves the system wide open. > You're kidding, right. Geeks read manuals. Most people don't. And no, I wasn't referring to an everything install. What do you get if you just click 'next' on every install screen? >>If you start blaming the users, then it sounds like a bit of elitism to >>me. It also sounds like Microsoft (Its not our software--its the users >>who don't install firewalls or misconfigure the system.) >> >> > >"Sorry I ran over that kid, but I didn't take the time to learn how to drive >that car. It's Ford's fault anyway for selling me a car that could be used >to run over a kid." > > Poor analogy. You have to have a license to drive a car. >>BTW, I didn't mean to single out RH. The other distros generally do the >>same thing with creeping featuritis. >> >> > >Everyone has been clamoring for Linux to compete with Windows. Now that it >offers a bunch of features (more than needed for 90% of the people out >there), suddenly it's a bad thing. I don't get it. I guess some people >just need to bitch about something. > I never suggested that the distributions shouldn't offer the options to compete with Windows, but Windows doesn't come with MS Office as standard. Niether does it install a compiler or developer tools--or a whole lot of other things that the default install provides. What I'm arguing is that the Workstation install should be a bit leaner by default. Also, when you start to use terms that people interpret as emotional reactions, they tend to discount what you are trying to say. You would be much better off arguing the issues. You never did answer why the packages I mentioned in the first paragraph are necessary by default. -- Bruce From eli at then7.com Tue Jun 1 23:19:32 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:17:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email > address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin > to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on > top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails > are originating from my computer. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug it could be _anybody_ that has your email address. viruses have been forging the "from" for a long time. it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending them a steady stream of infected email. e From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 23:43:25 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:41:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net><40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net><006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net><014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD4629.80604@swbell.net> Message-ID: <017601c44853$c24c1cf0$6e01a8c0@thomas> > You're kidding, right. Geeks read manuals. Most people don't. And that is the fault of the distro? > And no, I wasn't referring to an everything install. What do you get if > you just click 'next' on every install screen? About the same thing on most distros. A "one size fits none" installation. Which is why a user needs to be familiar enough with the OS to set it up correctly. > >>If you start blaming the users, then it sounds like a bit of elitism to > >>me. It also sounds like Microsoft (Its not our software--its the users > >>who don't install firewalls or misconfigure the system.) > >> > >> > > > >"Sorry I ran over that kid, but I didn't take the time to learn how to drive > >that car. It's Ford's fault anyway for selling me a car that could be used > >to run over a kid." > > > > > > Poor analogy. You have to have a license to drive a car. OK, how's this one: "Gosh, I didn't read the docs that came with the power saw and I cut off all my fingers. Now I'm gonna sue Black and Decker." It's still as ludicrous as your "Geeks read manuals. Most people don't" argument above. > >Everyone has been clamoring for Linux to compete with Windows. Now that it > >offers a bunch of features (more than needed for 90% of the people out > >there), suddenly it's a bad thing. I don't get it. I guess some people > >just need to bitch about something. > > > I never suggested that the distributions shouldn't offer the options to > compete with Windows, but Windows doesn't come with MS Office as > standard. Niether does it install a compiler or developer tools--or a > whole lot of other things that the default install provides. What I'm > arguing is that the Workstation install should be a bit leaner by default. Um, a workstation is what developers use to develop on, and what office workers use to work. At least that's how it is in my environment. So it makes all the sense in the world to have those productivity tools there. > Also, when you start to use terms that people interpret as emotional > reactions, they tend to discount what you are trying to say. How you interpret my words is your problem, not mine. I would hardly say this is worth getting "emotional" about. I'm just tired of the Red Hat bashing. Seems like any time anyone gets to the top of the heap there is a segment who takes it as their job to try to tear them down. > You would > be much better off arguing the issues. You never did answer why the > packages I mentioned in the first paragraph are necessary by default. I never said that they were necessary. What I said was that users need to educate themselves so that they can have a clue about the tool they are using. We're not talking rocket science here, and we're not talking about getting a PhD, just reading the freaking getting started guide. G'night. Thomas From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 23:46:48 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:44:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> Message-ID: <017b01c44854$3bbb9b60$6e01a8c0@thomas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli" To: ; "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Virus? > it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where > lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending > them a steady stream of infected email. I'll second that. When this kind of bug first hit ages ago, I got a bounce message that made it look like I'd sent a virus. Even though I religiously keep my Windows boxen and my AV definitions up to date, I did freak out a bit. Thomas From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 00:53:12 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Tue Jun 1 23:51:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e. help!!!) Message-ID: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> Hello All, Art Sexton and I have a web/mail server that has run (mostly) fine for over a year(Redhat 9). We are now experiencing down time due to what appears to be an apache/mysql issue (of some sort). The symptoms: after humming along for several hours, the server will spontaneously slow to a crawl, we lose all connectivity and then have to ask the colocation personnel to power cycle it. After this happened this morning, Art and I, closely watched the server. Running "free -m" repeatedly, showed that all ram was being consumed in just a matter of minutes, including the swap. We could literally watch, to our horror, the usage numbers increase at breakneck speed. Running top (ps aux) did not show which process was responsible. Normally our programs use about 130-150 megs of ram, leaving the remainder of the 1-gig-of-ram free for linux buffers/cache. Swap usage has historically been at a paltry 15 megs. When the "bad thing" happens, ram and swap are both filled in less then 5 minutes. Realizing the memory consumption had to be by one of our services (apache/php, postfix, cyrus-imap, mysql, saslauth) we stopped one by one. It turns out that stopping both mysql and apache, (via #/etc/init.d/service stop) liberated the memory. We could then start apache/mysql and it would run normal for a time. We had to do this back-to-back several times, or we knew the server would tip over. After watching the server run OK for 30 minutes, we let her do her thing. Things went another 4 hours and then we had to power cyle again. I've reverted to a previous SMP stock kernel, as the system was running a custom SMP kernel that I had build several weeks ago(it's a slightly modified Redhat config). I'm hoping that this was the problem. But I have my doubts. Has anyone seen something like this? Any tips, hints, or clues that I can research would be greatly welcome. Thanks, Eli From bdubbs at swbell.net Wed Jun 2 01:19:54 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 2 00:17:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e. help!!!) In-Reply-To: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> References: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> Message-ID: <40BD637A.3040305@swbell.net> Eli wrote: > Hello All, > > Art Sexton and I have a web/mail server that has run (mostly) fine for > over a year(Redhat 9). We are now experiencing down time due to what > appears to be an apache/mysql issue (of some sort). > > The symptoms: after humming along for several hours, the server will > spontaneously slow to a crawl, we lose all connectivity and then have > to ask the colocation personnel to power cycle it. > > After this happened this morning, Art and I, closely watched the > server. Running "free -m" repeatedly, showed that all ram was being > consumed in just a matter of minutes, including the swap. We could > literally watch, to our horror, the usage numbers increase at > breakneck speed. Running top (ps aux) did not show which process was > responsible. > > Normally our programs use about 130-150 megs of ram, leaving the > remainder of the 1-gig-of-ram free for linux buffers/cache. Swap usage > has historically been at a paltry 15 megs. > > When the "bad thing" happens, ram and swap are both filled in less > then 5 minutes. > > Realizing the memory consumption had to be by one of our services > (apache/php, postfix, cyrus-imap, mysql, saslauth) we stopped one by > one. It turns out that stopping both mysql and apache, (via > #/etc/init.d/service stop) liberated the memory. We could then start > apache/mysql and it would run normal for a time. We had to do this > back-to-back several times, or we knew the server would tip over. > After watching the server run OK for 30 minutes, we let her do her > thing. Things went another 4 hours and then we had to power cyle > again. I've reverted to a previous SMP stock kernel, as the system was > running a custom SMP kernel that I had build several weeks ago(it's a > slightly modified Redhat config). I'm hoping that this was the > problem. But I have my doubts. > > Has anyone seen something like this? Any tips, hints, or clues that I > can research would be greatly welcome. You don't say what version of apache or mysql you are using. What you are describing is a memeory leak. I doubt it is the kernel. If you stop apache and not mysql, does the problem still manifest itself? How about the other way around? You might want to update to the latest apache and/or mysql and compile from source. You might also want to check any configuration changes or new (php?) scripts that you may have installed. Other ideas would be to instrument the system. `ps aux >> log` every minute and things like that. Also look at the apache logs. -- Bruce From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 01:32:48 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jun 2 00:30:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e. help!!!) In-Reply-To: <40BD637A.3040305@swbell.net> References: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> <40BD637A.3040305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <40BD6680.2000108@then7.com> > You don't say what version of apache or mysql you are using. sorry. httpd-2.0.40-21.11 (redhat 9 rpm) mysql-server-3.23.58-1.9 (redhat 9 rpm) > What you are describing is a memeory leak. I doubt it is the kernel. If you > stop apache and not mysql, does the problem still manifest itself? How > about the other way around? IIRC it seemed as if I had to stop both. (I remember trying both ways, apache first, then mysql first), I'll pay more attention to see if I can absolutely pinpoint that. > You might want to update to the latest apache and/or mysql and compile > from source. Hmmm. That's not going to be all that fun with an RPM based distro, I guess I'm concerned about dependencies. We are moving to Slack soon, where compiling from source is much easier imo. You might also want to check any configuration changes or > new (php?) scripts that you may have installed. > Other ideas would be to instrument the system. `ps aux >> log` every > minute and things like that. Also look at the apache logs. > > -- Bruce will do. Thanks Bruce. ~e From mayonakaha at vashir.com Wed Jun 2 00:45:05 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (MayonakaHa) Date: Wed Jun 2 00:42:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <017b01c44854$3bbb9b60$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <017b01c44854$3bbb9b60$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <1086155110.779329F@r31.dngr.org> What's funny about that to me now is I get bounceback messages with the virus warnings like you got except I know it can't be me for one rather major reason... I get my email on my Java based Sidekick phone. A bit hard to infect a phone with a Windows virus. Mike D. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 9:52pm, Thomas Cameron wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eli" > To: ; "The San Antonio Linux User's Group > Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Virus? > > >> it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where >> lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending >> them a steady stream of infected email. > > I'll second that. When this kind of bug first hit ages ago, I got a > bounce > message that made it look like I'd sent a virus. Even though I > religiously > keep my Windows boxen and my AV definitions up to date, I did freak out > a > bit. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug This message sent via Danger Hiptop (www.danger.com) From hotrodls at ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 2 03:00:55 2004 From: hotrodls at ix.netcom.com (Lincoln) Date: Wed Jun 2 01:58:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] AC/DC power adapter for hp laptop Message-ID: <27163018.1086159655571.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> My office bought a bunch of auto/airline adapters for our Dells from LindElectronics.com As a EE, I have got to say these are pretty heavy duty bricks --nicest ones I have ever seen. Their input range is 11-16VDC and output your laptop's required voltage. They cost approx. $100 but any quality auto/air adapter is around that price, unfortunately. We also looked at Targus auto/air adapters for about the same price but these seemed better. I use them all the time and am very happy with the Lind adapters. They also come with a small bag and two different plugs: the traditional cigarette lighter plug and the funky plug some airlines use. The Lind model for you is -Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: "Condon, Ryan" Sent: May 30, 2004 6:01 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] AC/DC power adapter for hp laptop I will be doing a lot of traveling this summer and was hoping to get a car/plane power adapter for my hp ze4000 series laptop. Only thing is there are a lot of adapters out there with horrible reviews. Does anyone know of anything that works well? I don't really care if it has an outlet but one that plugs right into the back on the notebook would be nice Thanks Ryan _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Jun 2 05:28:25 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Jun 2 04:27:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BD9DB9.80808@futuretechsolutions.com> I get the bounces all the time, where the "From" is a public alias that I only use for receiving e-mails. Sean Carolan wrote: >I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email >address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin >to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on >top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails >are originating from my computer. > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From tbeck at dragon-designs.net Wed Jun 2 07:02:37 2004 From: tbeck at dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Wed Jun 2 06:00:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e. help!!!) In-Reply-To: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> References: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> Message-ID: <1086174157.4984.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have seen this when a PHP script or an apache "call" was literally written "wrong". The PHP script in question was running an endless loop that consumed everything until a hard reboot. as long as the script wasn't called it worked fine. Are you running "dynamic" pages? Will one run without the other? I'm sure you've tested this, it just didn't say. I've watched a "dynamic" page, that received news-feeds, go "nuts" and fill a sql database with entries before also. Hows the "network" traffic as the increase happens? Tim On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 23:53, Eli wrote: > Hello All, > > Art Sexton and I have a web/mail server that has run (mostly) fine for > over a year(Redhat 9). We are now experiencing down time due to what > appears to be an apache/mysql issue (of some sort). > > The symptoms: after humming along for several hours, the server will > spontaneously slow to a crawl, we lose all connectivity and then have to > ask the colocation personnel to power cycle it. > > After this happened this morning, Art and I, closely watched the server. > Running "free -m" repeatedly, showed that all ram was being consumed in > just a matter of minutes, including the swap. We could literally watch, > to our horror, the usage numbers increase at breakneck speed. Running > top (ps aux) did not show which process was responsible. > > Normally our programs use about 130-150 megs of ram, leaving the > remainder of the 1-gig-of-ram free for linux buffers/cache. Swap usage > has historically been at a paltry 15 megs. > > When the "bad thing" happens, ram and swap are both filled in less then > 5 minutes. > > Realizing the memory consumption had to be by one of our services > (apache/php, postfix, cyrus-imap, mysql, saslauth) we stopped one by > one. It turns out that stopping both mysql and apache, (via > #/etc/init.d/service stop) liberated the memory. We could then start > apache/mysql and it would run normal for a time. We had to do this > back-to-back several times, or we knew the server would tip over. After > watching the server run OK for 30 minutes, we let her do her thing. > Things went another 4 hours and then we had to power cyle again. I've > reverted to a previous SMP stock kernel, as the system was running a > custom SMP kernel that I had build several weeks ago(it's a slightly > modified Redhat config). I'm hoping that this was the problem. But I > have my doubts. > > Has anyone seen something like this? Any tips, hints, or clues that I > can research would be greatly welcome. > > Thanks, > Eli > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From erich at thinkspark.com Wed Jun 2 08:59:44 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Wed Jun 2 08:00:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <017601c44853$c24c1cf0$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net><006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net><014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD4629.80604@swbell.net> <017601c44853$c24c1cf0$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <1086181184.14601.9.camel@localhost> Did y'all ever notice that Linux users seem to be the only people on the planet that feel they need to preach to the choir with a baseball bat! ;-) -Eric From lug at eth0.us Wed Jun 2 09:35:57 2004 From: lug at eth0.us (John) Date: Wed Jun 2 08:34:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e.help!!!) In-Reply-To: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> Message-ID: <000901c448a6$8ac69e60$0300a8c0@deacnet.wfu.edu> There are a few things that you might try and see if they will help you find something. First I would suggest running "top" on one terminal as it will show you what is taking up all of the ram. It might be just the httpd or just the mysql and from this you will be able to watch. I would also run "tail -f /var/log/messages" which will constantly post the last thing added to the messages error log and might report some mysql errors. If you run "tail -f /usr/local/apache/logs/error_log" you might also be able to pick up something that apache is doing wrong. The reason I like to use the tail -f is that when/if it crashes you are able to see exactly what happened when the server dies. Hopefully something from one of the logs might show something going wrong, if not Timothy Beck had a good idea about a rouge php script. John From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Wed Jun 2 09:38:12 2004 From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Wed Jun 2 08:37:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memoryconsumption (i.e. help!!!) Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC40B9@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> We found the problem last night. It was a combination of a database index that was corrupt and a php script that was not coded to handle the return from this. Once I was able to replicate the problem then fixing it was fairly simple. The short fix was to rebuild the table in question, including the index, and everything worked. The other change I will be making will be to code for this issue. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!!! ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 09:43:29 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 08:41:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> Message-ID: <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > it could be _anybody_ that has your email address. viruses have been > forging the "from" for a long time. > > it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where > lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending > them a steady stream of infected email. The reason I was suspicious about these messages is because whoever is infected must have both my email address, and the SATLUG address in their address book. Hence it may be another list member?? From ndurr at venus.sac.accd.edu Wed Jun 2 11:17:17 2004 From: ndurr at venus.sac.accd.edu (Nathaniel Durr) Date: Wed Jun 2 10:15:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <1086054527.2259.101.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 31 May 2004, Chuck wrote: > > Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > > doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > > -- Bruce > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > > Chuck > linux is not window the software gets faster. look at gnome 2.4 to 2.6 the kernel get faster also. they are not adding web browsers to kernels. OO.org will probably run fine it just takes a long time to start. my firewall right now is a 166MHz with 94Mb of ram running squid, pdns, snort, and folding@home. this is all with the 2.6 kernel. the machine acts the same when folding@home is running with the proc pegged as idle. putting old unpatched software on the internet is just going to make linux look as crappy as windows when another worm targets linux machines. what good is patches that are available in 10 minutes if they are never applied? -- Nate Durr From mdfilio at earthlink.net Wed Jun 2 11:26:48 2004 From: mdfilio at earthlink.net (M. Filio) Date: Wed Jun 2 12:24:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org? XFree86? Xouvert? Message-ID: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Hi all, Would anyone be willing to give a rundown on what happened to X? All I know it had something to do with the license, but am unsure as to what it means. Any opinions of which way to go? I've been told to wait for Xouvert. Thanks, Michael From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Jun 2 13:52:45 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 2 12:50:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086198766.1112.61.camel@laptop> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 10:17, Nathaniel Durr wrote: > On 31 May 2004, Chuck wrote: > > > > Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > > > doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > > > -- Bruce > > > > > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > > > > > Chuck > > > linux is not window the software gets faster. look at gnome 2.4 to 2.6 > the kernel get faster also. they are not adding web browsers to kernels. > OO.org will probably run fine it just takes a long time to start. my > firewall right now is a 166MHz with 94Mb of ram running squid, pdns, > snort, and folding@home. this is all with the 2.6 kernel. the machine > acts the same when folding@home is running with the proc pegged as idle. > putting old unpatched software on the internet is just going to make linux > look as crappy as windows when another worm targets linux machines. what > good is patches that are available in 10 minutes if they are never applied? I didn't say a thing about not patching installed software -- thats just stupid and asking for trouble. Although it really doesn't matter if he did happen to get hit by a worm, Walt's already stated that he's only going to use this as a Linux/OO demo laptop. So if it did get hit by some future/hypothetical worm, he just reloads! But what is REALLY important is that he show the best possible performance with the Linux he puts on it. If its slow as hell because its having to hit cache constantly to startup OO, he might as well save his time. You won't convince anyone to switch if THEY aren't convinced that its not 'at least as good' as what they are using. So, what Walt needs here is a minimal installation that doesn't toss in the kitchen sink. Maybe a minimalist window manager instead of Gnome or K. He'll have to turn off all the extraneous stuff since he won't be doing NFS, Japanese languages, or running a webserver. And even with that, he might not be able to get OO to start without hitting cache. And in that case, I would suggest he back up a version or two until he finds one that will run X and OO in 64 meg without hitting cache. It doesn't matter if he has the latest version of Apache or MySQL on it, he's only using it as a Linux/OO demo platform. It doesn't matter if its the latest/greatest distribution of Linux -- just as long as it performs well for demo purposes. Chuck From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Jun 2 13:58:10 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Jun 2 12:55:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org? XFree86? Xouvert? In-Reply-To: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1086199090.6400.6.camel@station3.example.com> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 12:26, M. Filio wrote: > Hi all, > > Would anyone be willing to give a rundown on what happened to X? > > All I know it had something to do with the license, but am unsure as to what it means. > > Any opinions of which way to go? I've been told to wait for Xouvert. > > Thanks, > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3338031 runs down the split between x.org and the xfree86 folks. Dunno about Xouvert. Thomas From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Jun 2 14:05:55 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:03:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <1086198766.1112.61.camel@laptop> References: <1086198766.1112.61.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1086199554.6400.14.camel@station3.example.com> > But what is REALLY important is that he show the best possible > performance with the Linux he puts on it. If its slow as hell because > its having to hit cache constantly to startup OO, he might as well save > his time. You won't convince anyone to switch if THEY aren't convinced > that its not 'at least as good' as what they are using. Agreed, but I seriously can't imagine Windows 2000 (or even NT4) running worth a damn on the same hardware. I didn't think Win2K would even load on 64 megs! So maybe they won't think it's that slow in comparison. > So, what Walt needs here is a minimal installation that doesn't toss in > the kitchen sink. Maybe a minimalist window manager instead of Gnome or > K. Or just do a "custom" install and deselect everything except what is really, really needed. Might consider a really lightweight WM like AfterStep or XFCE (I'm sure others will chime in with their recommendations as well). > He'll have to turn off all the extraneous stuff since he won't be > doing NFS, Japanese languages, or running a webserver. And even with > that, he might not be able to get OO to start without hitting cache. > > And in that case, I would suggest he back up a version or two until he > finds one that will run X and OO in 64 meg without hitting cache. I would probably stick with a newish distro (RH9, FC1, Slackware 9) but turn off *everything* that isn't needed. > It doesn't matter if he has the latest version of Apache or MySQL on it, > he's only using it as a Linux/OO demo platform. It doesn't matter if > its the latest/greatest distribution of Linux -- just as long as it > performs well for demo purposes. Yup. Thomas From h_oudini at hotmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:06:44 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:04:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. Message-ID: Hey All, I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I want to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from different rooms in the house (namely the living room and the master bedroom). I have ethernet in those rooms and I'll house the server in the study. I've done some googling and I'm kind of interested in Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it only comes with Window$ software. I've seen that some people have been hacking at it, so it does show some promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause it plugs right into the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks cheaper/easier than housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the PVR part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable (got to stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on board). Anyhow, I just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done something like this and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what I want: Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) Device at TV that plugs into network Surf the video server at the TV Watch recorded shows TIA, Kase _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 14:36:36 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:34:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086201396.23795.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) > Device at TV that plugs into network > Surf the video server at the TV > Watch recorded shows Kase: MythTV is a good way to go for the server part. You can put together a real sweet small form factor box for under $600 that does everything you want. Or if you are on a tight budget build from spare parts, etc and you can keep the big box in the basement or attic, out of the way and just use xboxes or something else for the frontend connected to each television. Check out Knoppmyth for an easy installer - it's knoppix modified to run and/or install MythTV on your box. They have some helpful forums but I can't recall the url right now. A google search will find it quickly. Xboxes make great Myth frontend player units. You can get a used xbox for around $80-90 on ebay, or brand new for $149.00. I don't have a PVR, but I do have an xbox in my living room running Xbox media player and it works great for movies, photo slide shows, mp3 jukebox, etc. From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Wed Jun 2 14:51:41 2004 From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:51:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC43D7@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> Have not done this but am just starting to look into something similar myself. Please post updates with links, etc. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Kase Saylor [mailto:h_oudini@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:07 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. Hey All, I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I want to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from different rooms in the house (namely the living room and the master bedroom). I have ethernet in those rooms and I'll house the server in the study. I've done some googling and I'm kind of interested in Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it only comes with Window$ software. I've seen that some people have been hacking at it, so it does show some promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause it plugs right into the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks cheaper/easier than housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the PVR part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable (got to stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on board). Anyhow, I just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done something like this and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what I want: Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) Device at TV that plugs into network Surf the video server at the TV Watch recorded shows TIA, Kase _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 14:59:03 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:56:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memoryconsumption (i.e. help!!!) In-Reply-To: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC40B9@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> References: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC40B9@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <1086202743.a18ceb58c4603@www.then7.com> > Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!!! I second that! ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 15:12:44 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:10:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> Sean Carolan wrote: >>it could be _anybody_ that has your email address. viruses have been >>forging the "from" for a long time. >> >>it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where >>lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending >>them a steady stream of infected email. > > > The reason I was suspicious about these messages is because whoever is > infected must have both my email address, and the SATLUG address in > their address book. Hence it may be another list member?? > ahhhh. that's an excellent clue. i was once in a similar situation, and i was getting hammered by these bogus emails and returns. among the many "forged" addresses were some from various wedding supply/planning companies. only 3 of my friends were getting married at the time, so i called each at work (when the mails typically were sent) and had them go to http://www.myip.com and i did end up finding a match from the email headers. i could be wrong but i think the IP address cannot be forged that easily. ~e From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 15:17:45 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:15:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> Message-ID: <40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> > http://www.myip.com and i did end up finding a match from the email > headers. > note: it looks like myip.com has expired so it doesn't work, but it gave a simple blank white page with your ip address. there are many others that do that as well. ~e From h_oudini at hotmail.com Wed Jun 2 20:51:27 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:49:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. Message-ID: Sean, In order to use an Xbox would I have to get a mod chip? Or, in other words, how did you set up yours? Thanks, Kase >From: Sean Carolan >Reply-To: sean@medicalresourceusa.com, "The San Antonio Linux User's >GroupMailing List" >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. >Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:36:36 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc3-f3.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.139]) by mc3-s20.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:28 -0700 >Received: from alamo.satlug.org ([207.235.6.99]) by mc3-f3.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:04 -0700 >Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by >alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52IYtn00583;Wed, 2 Jun 2004 >13:34:55 -0500 >Received: from relay2.mail.twtelecom.net >(relay2.mail.twtelecom.net[216.54.204.190])by alamo.satlug.org >(8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52IYjn00574for ; Wed, 2 >Jun 2004 13:34:45 -0500 >Received: from [192.168.1.102] >(209-163-182-185.gen.twtelecom.net[209.163.182.185])by >relay2.mail.twtelecom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DA2C1A7for >; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:37:10 -0500 (CDT) >X-Message-Info: LGjzam7y+Lubt9Q/U34Y7q3De90OUBZSj9o/0L3BIp4= >In-Reply-To: >References: >Organization: Medical Resource USA >Message-Id: <1086201396.23795.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> >X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 >Precedence: list >List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >Return-Path: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 18:38:05.0405 (UTC) >FILETIME=[BE2A30D0:01C448D0] > > > > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) > > Device at TV that plugs into network > > Surf the video server at the TV > > Watch recorded shows > >Kase: > >MythTV is a good way to go for the server part. You can put together >a real sweet small form factor box for under $600 that does everything >you want. Or if you are on a tight budget build from spare parts, etc >and you can keep the big box in the basement or attic, out of the way >and just use xboxes or something else for the frontend connected to each >television. > >Check out Knoppmyth for an easy installer - it's knoppix modified to >run and/or install MythTV on your box. They have some helpful forums >but I can't recall the url right now. A google search will find it >quickly. > >Xboxes make great Myth frontend player units. You can get a used xbox >for around $80-90 on ebay, or brand new for $149.00. I don't have a >PVR, but I do have an xbox in my living room running Xbox media player >and it works great for movies, photo slide shows, mp3 jukebox, etc. > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From me at jchampion.com Wed Jun 2 15:56:16 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:53:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. References: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC43D7@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <008401c448db$aa9ead60$0200a8c0@blackhole1> mythtv is an excellent program but pay close attention to the hardware requirements. it didn't work with my hauppage card and i had to get the windows product snapstream. works just as well but it's on windows. also beware that ati all in wonders have also been known to have some issues being used as a pvr. you'll need a box with a ton of ram, large hd, strong processor and possibly a small form factor...look at itx boards that run intel chips. intel chips run cooler than amd, even though their performance is about the same. you can also use this resource which i have had some luck with... http://www.byopvr.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sexton, Art, ISD" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. > Have not done this but am just starting to look into something similar > myself. Please post updates with links, etc. > > Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kase Saylor [mailto:h_oudini@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:07 PM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. > > > Hey All, > > I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I > want > to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from different > rooms in > the house (namely the living room and the master bedroom). I have > ethernet > in those rooms and I'll house the server in the study. I've done some > googling and I'm kind of interested in Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it > only > comes with Window$ software. I've seen that some people have been > hacking at > it, so it does show some promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause > it > plugs right into the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks > cheaper/easier > than housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the > PVR > part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable (got > to > stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on board). Anyhow, > I > just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done something like this > and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what I want: > > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) Device > at TV that plugs into network Surf the video server at the TV Watch > recorded shows > > TIA, > > Kase > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - > FREE > download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > **************************************************************************** * > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify > the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend > any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. > **************************************************************************** * > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.693 / Virus Database: 454 - Release Date: 6/1/2004 From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 15:59:55 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:57:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Resolving host. . . . Message-ID: <1086206395.23795.42.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Mozilla takes a long time to resolve hosts sometimes. Like 5-10 seconds or even longer. This is especially bad for urls like ad.doubleclick.net. Here is a bit of info about our network setup: LTSP SERVER ------ Netgear hub/router ------ Internet All the clients are behind the netgear router and connect to the web via the ltsp server. For all intensive purposes all connections to the internet are from the box called 'stegosaurus'. The hostname is stegosaurus.ltsp and we have no FQDN because all our mail, web, etc. are hosted remotely. Here are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf. I commented out the first line because I thought it was not necessary.: # stegosaurus 192.168.1.102 nameserver 168.215.165.186 nameserver 216.136.33.82 The nameservers are the ones given to us by our ISP, Time Warner Telecom. We are not running our own dns so I wasn't sure if I needed a 'domain' line in the /etc/resolv.conf. From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 16:12:33 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 15:10:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086207153.23795.50.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Kase: It all depends on what you want to do with the Xbox. If you ONLY need it as a frontend player that will be connected to the main PVR which stores all your movies and shows, then you don't need a modchip. You can install linux on an unmodified xbox using a "software exploit". Read all about it on xbox-linux.sourceforge.net. If you want to borrow the mechassault game and saved game cartridge you are more than welcome. You'll need these two things to take advantage of the savegame glitch that allows you to run unsigned code on your xbox. If, however, you want to upgrade the hard drive in the xbox you will probably want to get a mod chip. In the end I ended up getting a modchip so I could more easily set it up and replace the hard drive with an 80gb HD. Right now I have two xboxen - one is sitting under the TV in the living room and works as a multimedia player (no PVR though) and the other Xbox is strictly a fileserver/utility box running Xebian (Debian). Of the two I think the modchip method is easier - they have solderless chips now that you can pop into the xbox and be up and running right away. Actually they are quite fun to take apart - it's interesting to see how they are basically just an x86 pc inside! On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:51, Kase Saylor wrote: > Sean, > > In order to use an Xbox would I have to get a mod chip? Or, in other words, > how did you set up yours? > > Thanks, > > Kase > > > > > > >From: Sean Carolan > >Reply-To: sean@medicalresourceusa.com, "The San Antonio Linux User's > >GroupMailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. > >Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:36:36 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from mc3-f3.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.139]) by mc3-s20.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:28 -0700 > >Received: from alamo.satlug.org ([207.235.6.99]) by mc3-f3.hotmail.com with > >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:04 -0700 > >Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by > >alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52IYtn00583;Wed, 2 Jun 2004 > >13:34:55 -0500 > >Received: from relay2.mail.twtelecom.net > >(relay2.mail.twtelecom.net[216.54.204.190])by alamo.satlug.org > >(8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52IYjn00574for ; Wed, 2 > >Jun 2004 13:34:45 -0500 > >Received: from [192.168.1.102] > >(209-163-182-185.gen.twtelecom.net[209.163.182.185])by > >relay2.mail.twtelecom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DA2C1A7for > >; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:37:10 -0500 (CDT) > >X-Message-Info: LGjzam7y+Lubt9Q/U34Y7q3De90OUBZSj9o/0L3BIp4= > >In-Reply-To: > >References: > >Organization: Medical Resource USA > >Message-Id: <1086201396.23795.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > >X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, > >Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > >Return-Path: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 18:38:05.0405 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[BE2A30D0:01C448D0] > > > > > > > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) > > > Device at TV that plugs into network > > > Surf the video server at the TV > > > Watch recorded shows > > > >Kase: > > > >MythTV is a good way to go for the server part. You can put together > >a real sweet small form factor box for under $600 that does everything > >you want. Or if you are on a tight budget build from spare parts, etc > >and you can keep the big box in the basement or attic, out of the way > >and just use xboxes or something else for the frontend connected to each > >television. > > > >Check out Knoppmyth for an easy installer - it's knoppix modified to > >run and/or install MythTV on your box. They have some helpful forums > >but I can't recall the url right now. A google search will find it > >quickly. > > > >Xboxes make great Myth frontend player units. You can get a used xbox > >for around $80-90 on ebay, or brand new for $149.00. I don't have a > >PVR, but I do have an xbox in my living room running Xbox media player > >and it works great for movies, photo slide shows, mp3 jukebox, etc. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups now 3 months FREE! > http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Jun 2 16:13:14 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Jun 2 15:11:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BE34DA.6070705@futuretechsolutions.com> I've been running MythTV for well over a year now. The latest version runs quite a bit quicker than previous versions have. I only have 1 box running Myth, but set-up doesn't cause one to pull out one's hair, and the user interface is quite simple and intuitive. I'm not sure how well the pre-compiled binaries work, as I've always compiled from source without any problems. The only issues that you may have to deal with are being sure that the backend is started when the machine boots up, and that the program to keep the program guide up-to-date runs when it should, or set it up as a cron job if it doesn't. Charles Kase Saylor wrote: > Hey All, > > I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I > want to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from > different rooms in the house (namely the living room and the master > bedroom). I have ethernet in those rooms and I'll house the server in > the study. I've done some googling and I'm kind of interested in > Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it only comes with Window$ software. I've > seen that some people have been hacking at it, so it does show some > promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause it plugs right into > the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks cheaper/easier than > housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the PVR > part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable > (got to stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on > board). Anyhow, I just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done > something like this and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what > I want: > > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) > Device at TV that plugs into network > Surf the video server at the TV > Watch recorded shows > > TIA, > > Kase > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? > FREE download! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 17:17:44 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:15:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> <40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> Message-ID: <1086211064.28788.0.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:17, Eli wrote: > > http://www.myip.com and i did end up finding a match from the email > > headers. > > > > > note: it looks like myip.com has expired so it doesn't work, but it gave > a simple blank white page with your ip address. there are many others > that do that as well. Here's the header to that message: Return-path: Envelope-to: sean@txid.com Delivery-date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 Received: from txid by secure.shopsafeonline.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BVbwR-0004t6-H1 for sean@txid.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 Received: from [207.235.6.99] (helo=alamo.satlug.org) by secure.shopsafeonline.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BVbwR-0004t2-D4 for sean@txid.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52Jxwn01141 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:59:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your message to Satlug awaits moderator approval From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: sean@txid.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:59:56 -0500 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List X-List-Administrivia: yes Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on secure.shopsafeonline.com From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 17:53:08 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:51:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086211064.28788.0.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> <40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> <1086211064.28788.0.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BE4C44.9000905@then7.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:17, Eli wrote: > >>>http://www.myip.com and i did end up finding a match from the email >>>headers. >>> >> >> >>note: it looks like myip.com has expired so it doesn't work, but it gave >>a simple blank white page with your ip address. there are many others >>that do that as well. > > > Here's the header to that message: > > Return-path: > Envelope-to: sean@txid.com > Delivery-date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 > Received: from txid by secure.shopsafeonline.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.34) > id 1BVbwR-0004t6-H1 > for sean@txid.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 > Received: from [207.235.6.99] (helo=alamo.satlug.org) > by secure.shopsafeonline.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) > id 1BVbwR-0004t2-D4 > for sean@txid.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 > Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52Jxwn01141 > for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:59:59 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: Your message to Satlug awaits moderator approval > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > To: sean@txid.com > Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:59:56 -0500 > Precedence: bulk > X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > X-List-Administrivia: yes > Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME > autolearn=no version=2.63 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on > secure.shopsafeonline.com > hmmm. we're not going to get much help from these headers i think. i believe what we are looking at are headers of a new message that has been sent from satlug-list-server >>>> to >>> you. so the only IPs shown are localhost(satlug server), and 207.235.6.99(satlug server). the message then goes to an exim mta (secureshops). so these are the headers of a valid email that was created by satlug list server and routed to you. what we need is a message from the infected machine that was sent to you directly. the bounced message that hit the list server would also have the headers of interest...unfortunately, bounced means bounced, so I don't think satlug list server will have a copy. When I tracked down the infected machine in my case, I received bounces from mail-server that assumed that I had sent the email(forged from field). I also received emails from the infected machine directly. It's the headers of the mail sent from the infected machine that we need. I of course knew that the bounce messages coming from mtas were also a result of the infected machine because all the forged addresses were from the same address book of the infected system. do you have a message that was sent to you from the infected machine? ~e From grayfox78 at cox.net Wed Jun 2 16:09:46 2004 From: grayfox78 at cox.net (Augie Grayfox) Date: Wed Jun 2 17:06:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406021509.46507.grayfox78@cox.net> On Wednesday June 2 2004 11:06 am, Kase Saylor wrote: *v*Hey All, *v* *v*I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I want *v*to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from different rooms in *v*the house (namely the living room and the master bedroom). I have ethernet *v*in those rooms and I'll house the server in the study. I've done some *v*googling and I'm kind of interested in Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it only *v*comes with Window$ software. I've seen that some people have been hacking at *v*it, so it does show some promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause it *v*plugs right into the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks cheaper/easier *v*than housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the PVR *v*part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable (got to *v*stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on board). Anyhow, I *v*just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done something like this *v*and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what I want: *v* *v*Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) *v*Device at TV that plugs into network *v*Surf the video server at the TV *v*Watch recorded shows *v* *v*TIA, *v* *v*Kase *v* Kase, You can check this site to see if your HW is compatible with MythTV. One question...Are you on cable or dsl? I think you need cable or at least the upper end of dsl...not sure but the MythTV website has all that info. HTH Let us know how things work out. I'm sloowwly gathering the HW to set up my own MythTV server. -- Augie Grayfox grayfox78 at cox dot net "Friends don't let friends use Microsoft." From pfrostie at yahoo.com Tue Jun 1 21:37:21 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Wed Jun 2 17:47:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <200406012037.23376.pfrostie@yahoo.com> you're not the first. i've been getting these for a while. i've gotten virus that supposedly came from people that i know, but i know they are not running windows. they are picking up addresses from the interent and using them as fake return addresses is all i can guess. On Tue June 1 2004 05:48 pm, Sean Carolan wrote: > I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email > address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin > to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on > top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails > are originating from my computer. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From slacker at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 2 20:34:50 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Wed Jun 2 19:29:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org? XFree86? Xouvert? In-Reply-To: <1086199090.6400.6.camel@station3.example.com> References: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <1086199090.6400.6.camel@station3.example.com> Message-ID: <20040602193450.5e844ecd@malaga.home> Apparently there were licensing issues with XFree86 4.4 and a lot of distros have dropped back to 4.3 or dropped it altogether. Slackware, one of the last hold outs, recently adopted X.org in their current tree. Here's a link to a Slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/31/2317246.shtml?tid=104&tid=106&tid=185&tid=189 Guess we'll have a new X system! On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:58:10 -0500 Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 12:26, M. Filio wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Would anyone be willing to give a rundown on what happened to X? > > > > All I know it had something to do with the license, but am unsure as > > to what it means. > > > > Any opinions of which way to go? I've been told to wait for Xouvert. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3338031 runs down the > split between x.org and the xfree86 folks. > > Dunno about Xouvert. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From Wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Wed Jun 2 21:28:53 2004 From: Wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (WrkWatchr) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:23:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Intel to open source EFI firmware code Message-ID: An interesting article?? http://lwn.net/Articles/87640/ Roy From bdubbs at swbell.net Wed Jun 2 21:43:08 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:40:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org? XFree86? Xouvert? In-Reply-To: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40BE822C.9070406@swbell.net> M. Filio wrote: >Hi all, > >Would anyone be willing to give a rundown on what happened to X? > >All I know it had something to do with the license, but am unsure as to what it means. > The license was the final straw. There have been long term problems between David Dawes and the X developers. Mr Dawes was very dictatorial and did not allow developers commit access to the code. He basically didn't trust anybody to add code. X is such a complicated product that no one can really understand it all in sufficient detail to do what he wanted to do. The final straw was when he unilaterally changed the license against the wishes of many of the developers who had contributed code. X.org has a long history of developing X, but it usually had been in a propriatary environment. It is now in an open environment. The base of x.org is xfree86-4.4-pre2, the last version under the old license. You can expect x.org to be much more progressive in improving the code. This may be good, but has some risks. If changes are pushed too fast, it may create some instability. OTOH, all the major distros have migrated to x.org. -- Bruce From bdubbs at swbell.net Wed Jun 2 21:52:20 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:49:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Resolving host. . . . In-Reply-To: <1086206395.23795.42.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086206395.23795.42.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BE8454.2090009@swbell.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >Mozilla takes a long time to resolve hosts sometimes. Like 5-10 seconds >or even longer. This is especially bad for urls like >ad.doubleclick.net. Here is a bit of info about our network setup: > Well one thing you could do is edit your /etc/nsswitch.conf and ensure you have the line hosts: files dns and edit /etc/hosts and put in: 127.0.0.2 ad.doubleclick.net But then you won't get any ads from them. Awww..... -- Bruce From spammer at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 3 00:25:57 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Wed Jun 2 23:23:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <200406012037.23376.pfrostie@yahoo.com> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <200406012037.23376.pfrostie@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200406022325.57802.spammer@satx.rr.com> On Tuesday 01 June 2004 7:37 pm, phrostie wrote: We have a problem at work in which the 2 people who e-mail outside of work the most are used to send virus's, you are most likely having the info forged and then sent around, I have to deal w/ this at work all the time, as long as you keep your anti-virus up to date as well as any other things you need, you should have nothing to fear. > you're not the first. > i've been getting these for a while. > i've gotten virus that supposedly came from people that i know, but i know > they are not running windows. > > they are picking up addresses from the interent and using them as fake > return addresses is all i can guess. > > On Tue June 1 2004 05:48 pm, Sean Carolan wrote: > > I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email > > address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin > > to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on > > top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails > > are originating from my computer. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- >From this day To the ending of the world We in it shall be remembered We lucky few We merry Band of Brothers For he who sheds his blood with me this day Shall be my brother. Henry V Nick Duffy From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 23:04:26 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Thu Jun 3 00:02:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me Message-ID: <20040603050426.52686.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Vonage slashes price of Net telephony kit By Ben Charny CNET News.com June 2, 2004, 3:57 PM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-5224951.html Feeling pressure as competition stiffens, Net phone service provider Vonage has lowered the price by $70 of a starter kit available at retail stores. The kit, which includes a Motorola phone adapter, is now $30 at Circuit City, Fry's and RadioShack after a $50 mail-in rebate, Vonage said Wednesday. The starter kit, which consists of an adapter and two months of free Vonage service, used to cost $100 at the same stores. Get Up to Speed on... VoIP Get the latest headlines and company-specific news in our expanded GUTS section. As Vonage's subscriber numbers grow, it has a greater ability to pass on savings to its customers, according to company Vice President Matthew Deatrick. Vonage made a similar argument in mid-May, when it signed up its 150,000th subscriber, saying it had reached an "inflection point" that allowed it to lower the cost of monthly unlimited North American dialing from $35 to $30 a month. In-Stat/MDR senior analyst Daryl Schoolar believes that Vonage, the nation's largest provider of voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), is feeling pressure as major telephone companies including AT&T begin offering their own VoIP services. VoIP is a decade-old technique for digitizing phone calls and dispatching them over the public Internet or a corporation's own Internet Protocol network. VoIP calls are generally less expensive because they avoid traditional telephone networks, which are heavily regulated and taxed. But quality of service, in most cases, isn't as good. Schoolar said that just as important to Vonage is "competition from below," or smaller VoIP providers that offer the same kind of service for $5 to $10 less a month. "They are certainly aware of the competition both above and below," he said. ---------------------------------------- I'm also looking into other companies offerings like Broadvoice (http://www.broadvoice.com/) to get the best deal. ---------------------------------------- SprintPCS sucks. They keep double billing me. I spend an hour on the phone each time so they can fix their errors. They have this virtual girl clerk named 'Claire' that is probably married to one of the sales reps. It is quite annoying to get the runaround. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 23:08:14 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Thu Jun 3 00:05:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What do you think about the WiSIP Phone? Message-ID: <20040603050814.89420.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> I plan on watching this technology closely..at least until it gets cheaper and/or there is an industry shakeout: BroadVoice and Pulver Innovations Unveil the WiSIP™ Phone http://www.broadvoice.com/features_wisip_phone.html BroadVoice and Pulver Innovations have developed a new, special edition BroadVoice Pulver WiSIP™ Phone optimized for use with BroadVoice service. With the BroadVoice Pulver WiSIP™phone, you can access BroadVoice services at any residential or commercial WiFi location anywhere in the world! The BroadVoice service meets the flexibility and freedom-of-choice that today’s savvy users of SIP-based services demand. BroadVoice offers a direct-dial telephone number from any of the 30 states and 1,300 cities and towns the company currently offers, regardless of the user’s geographical location. BroadVoice WiSIP™ Phone Packages The BroadVoice WiSIP can be combined with any BroadVoice Unlimited rate plan. When combined with our service the BroadVoice Pulver WiSIP™ Phone is just $149.95 * Works with any 802.11b compatible access point * Supports the G.711 and G.729 Codec * Compatible with most BroadVoice Features __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From swinston at global-gaming.com Thu Jun 3 02:00:31 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Thu Jun 3 00:59:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Volunteering at Installfest Message-ID: Sounds great, I think I'll make it (maybe, I'm in the middle of a move), would someone mind giving directions or is it in the same place we have meetings? -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC Other women cloy The appetites they feed, but she makes hungry Where most she satisfies. -- Antony and Cleopatra From skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu Thu Jun 3 08:41:30 2004 From: skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu (Steve Kolars) Date: Thu Jun 3 07:39:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Volunteering at Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BF1C7A.9090903@venus.sac.accd.edu> Steven Winston wrote: >Sounds great, I think I'll make it (maybe, I'm in the middle of a move), >would someone mind giving directions or is it in the same place we have >meetings? > >-- >Steven Winston >Global Gaming Innovations, LLC > >Other women cloy >The appetites they feed, but she makes hungry >Where most she satisfies. > -- Antony and Cleopatra >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > same place From jpenrod at commtechinc.com Thu Jun 3 09:28:20 2004 From: jpenrod at commtechinc.com (Penrod, Joshua) Date: Thu Jun 3 08:25:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me Message-ID: I've seen a lot of ads lately for ATT's "Call Advantage" VoIP service for a special introductory offer of $19.99/month which after a six month period goes to $39.99/month. I saw no equipment costs associated, it said it comes with an adapter for your phone that connects to the cable/dsl router or modem. I don't have a land line at the momemt, I went strictly to wireless. I might be interested in the VoIP service, does anybody know about this and the least expensive way to do this service? I seem to remember about 8 years ago that when I had dial-up service I was able to set up some software that allowed me to call others through my desktop without incurring long-distance charges. Is that just non-existent now? Thanks, Josh -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yatti [mailto:yatinhat@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:04 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me Vonage slashes price of Net telephony kit By Ben Charny CNET News.com June 2, 2004, 3:57 PM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-5224951.html Feeling pressure as competition stiffens, Net phone service provider Vonage has lowered the price by $70 of a starter kit available at retail stores. The kit, which includes a Motorola phone adapter, is now $30 at Circuit City, Fry's and RadioShack after a $50 mail-in rebate, Vonage said Wednesday. The starter kit, which consists of an adapter and two months of free Vonage service, used to cost $100 at the same stores. Get Up to Speed on... VoIP Get the latest headlines and company-specific news in our expanded GUTS section. As Vonage's subscriber numbers grow, it has a greater ability to pass on savings to its customers, according to company Vice President Matthew Deatrick. Vonage made a similar argument in mid-May, when it signed up its 150,000th subscriber, saying it had reached an "inflection point" that allowed it to lower the cost of monthly unlimited North American dialing from $35 to $30 a month. In-Stat/MDR senior analyst Daryl Schoolar believes that Vonage, the nation's largest provider of voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), is feeling pressure as major telephone companies including AT&T begin offering their own VoIP services. VoIP is a decade-old technique for digitizing phone calls and dispatching them over the public Internet or a corporation's own Internet Protocol network. VoIP calls are generally less expensive because they avoid traditional telephone networks, which are heavily regulated and taxed. But quality of service, in most cases, isn't as good. Schoolar said that just as important to Vonage is "competition from below," or smaller VoIP providers that offer the same kind of service for $5 to $10 less a month. "They are certainly aware of the competition both above and below," he said. ---------------------------------------- I'm also looking into other companies offerings like Broadvoice (http://www.broadvoice.com/) to get the best deal. ---------------------------------------- SprintPCS sucks. They keep double billing me. I spend an hour on the phone each time so they can fix their errors. They have this virtual girl clerk named 'Claire' that is probably married to one of the sales reps. It is quite annoying to get the runaround. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chardon47 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 3 08:01:42 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Thu Jun 3 08:59:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Informationweek Article In-Reply-To: <40BF1C7A.9090903@venus.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <20040603140142.8711.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> http://informationweek.linuxpipeline.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RJH1VLGT4FTDGQSNDBCCKHQ?articleId=21400697 Bill Hatfield Registered Linux User #351047 From scott at jedicouncil.nu Thu Jun 3 10:23:51 2004 From: scott at jedicouncil.nu (Scott A. Simpson) Date: Thu Jun 3 09:21:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40BF3477.4040107@jedicouncil.nu> Mike wrote: > My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you > know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I > can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an > rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go > through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 > hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas > city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before > coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to > use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. > > thanks for your info, > - mike for debian, St. Mary's is and official mirror. the address is natasha.stmarytx.edu. I use it for my debian server and its pretty responsive, course i live down the street :D scott -- Scott A. Simpson scott@jedicouncil.nu If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it ? From erich at thinkspark.com Thu Jun 3 10:52:20 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Thu Jun 3 09:52:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [Vonage (revisited) by me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086274340.3079.40.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 08:28, Penrod, Joshua wrote: > I've seen a lot of ads lately for ATT's "Call Advantage" VoIP service > for a special introductory offer of $19.99/month which after a six month [cut] Just last night, my brother in law called me using his Net2Phone VoIP service. But rather than being tethered to his PC, he's got an AT&T 6100 cordless "PC" phone that, in addition to being a normal 900MHz cordless phone, has audio jacks that allow you to plug the base into your PC's line in/line out jacks so you can use the cordless phone for any PC-based VoIP product. He has to dial my phone number on his PC, but after that, he uses the phone as he normally would. I think he got the phone on special for $17, but it can be had for $35-$60. It's out of stock right now, but J&R Music World has the phone for $19.88. The Net2Phone service runs about 2 cents/minute. The latency is low, but the voice quality is kinda scratchy. He said I sounded fine, though. But, hey, you can use the phone with any PC VoIP service. Just wanted to add my 2 cents per minute. --Eric From ChrisRivera at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 3 12:51:15 2004 From: ChrisRivera at satx.rr.com (CRivera) Date: Thu Jun 3 11:48:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me In-Reply-To: <20040603050426.52686.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200406031651.i53GpFBu018855@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Mary Yatti Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:04 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me Vonage slashes price of Net telephony kit By Ben Charny CNET News.com June 2, 2004, 3:57 PM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-5224951.html Feeling pressure as competition stiffens, Net phone service provider Vonage has lowered the price by $70 of a starter kit available at retail stores. The kit, which includes a Motorola phone adapter, is now $30 at Circuit City, Fry's and RadioShack after a $50 mail-in rebate, Vonage said Wednesday. The starter kit, which consists of an adapter and two months of free Vonage service, used to cost $100 at the same stores. Get Up to Speed on... VoIP Get the latest headlines and company-specific news in our expanded GUTS section. As Vonage's subscriber numbers grow, it has a greater ability to pass on savings to its customers, according to company Vice President Matthew Deatrick. Vonage made a similar argument in mid-May, when it signed up its 150,000th subscriber, saying it had reached an "inflection point" that allowed it to lower the cost of monthly unlimited North American dialing from $35 to $30 a month. In-Stat/MDR senior analyst Daryl Schoolar believes that Vonage, the nation's largest provider of voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), is feeling pressure as major telephone companies including AT&T begin offering their own VoIP services. VoIP is a decade-old technique for digitizing phone calls and dispatching them over the public Internet or a corporation's own Internet Protocol network. VoIP calls are generally less expensive because they avoid traditional telephone networks, which are heavily regulated and taxed. But quality of service, in most cases, isn't as good. Schoolar said that just as important to Vonage is "competition from below," or smaller VoIP providers that offer the same kind of service for $5 to $10 less a month. "They are certainly aware of the competition both above and below," he said. ---------------------------------------- I'm also looking into other companies offerings like Broadvoice (http://www.broadvoice.com/) to get the best deal. ---------------------------------------- SprintPCS sucks. They keep double billing me. I spend an hour on the phone each time so they can fix their errors. They have this virtual girl clerk named 'Claire' that is probably married to one of the sales reps. It is quite annoying to get the runaround. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug I have Broadvoice at home right now. I gotta say its pretty good, if you can look past a few things. The biggest annoyance is when you try to place a call, it takes anywhere from 5 to 1