[SATLUG] Future Of The Internet

Sat May 1 12:14:00 CDT 2004

While I agree there are some dire consequences to not paying attention to
MS's arrogance.. I can't help but think
that there is a bit of some intellectual elitism going on here... as well a
general whininess.

In response to.....
>I'm sorry, I am a little pissed off here lately because we at the shop
>have the responsibility of trying to clean this crap off of the computers
>so the sheep can get back on-line and do what they do some more

Give me a break....be thankful you have some sort of gainful employment.
I know plenty of folks who are seriously hurting in this economy.

There is a serious lack of perspective here.
People have lives to lead...people must survive they don't have time to
read every manual.

If we linux proponents maintain an arrogant elitist stance-- linux will go
the way of the dodo.
The enemies are just way too powerful for us  to hold our breaths and chant,
"But we're right and better--- the sheeple just won't listen to us.."
wahh wahhh...
That's just silly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "w5omr" <w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu>
To: <satlug at satlug.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Future Of The Internet

> > Hi all,
> >
> > Wednesday I became a victim of the recent Windows RPC exploit that
> Microsoft released a patch for not too long ago. I noticed my bandwidth
> was being used more than what it should be and discovered some cable
> modem user leeching about 10K off of me downloading I don't know what
> from my machine.
>
> [...much deleted...]
>
> > There just seems like there's too much to learn. I'm by no means a
> regluar computer user and so that makes me wonder how bad off the
> Internet really is? Any ideas?
> >
> > Looking forward to seeing your thoughts.
>
> Hi, Mike (and all)
> Greetings, from New Orleans, LA.
>
> I was conversing in e-mail with my friend John, in Spring, TX.  He and his
> wife have a computer repair/service shop over there.  We were talking
> about problems with the servers of a couple of different mail-lists that
> we are both subscribed to.
>
> As a computer service shop owner, I thought you might be interested to
> hear his thoughts, on this very subject:
>
> (***WARNING*** Strong Language follows.  Viewer discretion is advised!)
>
>
> ========================
> {John said:}
> I don't think it's a matter of moderating the reflector I think there is a
> traffic problem that is out of control of the web master or the reflector
> control op.  I think it has to do with spam and spy-ware traffic and some
> times it just gets lost.  The only thing that would fix it would be more
> money for a bigger pipe and more equipment at the host server.  I haven't
> said anything that was not technically related nor have you or any of the
> others that I have been communicating with that have had similar trouble.
> Their mails just get dropped or blocked some times for no reason.  It is
> the sign of the times.  A very nice medium such as the internet gets
> abused by the marketers and hoodlums (I hesitate to put them in the same
> class but it has just about come to that) to the point that it is almost
> too damn much trouble to deal with the security problems to warrant the
> use of it.  I'm about ready to just quit using email and go back to snail
> mail and telco.  That's how disgusted I am with this sh*t.  The American
> people in general are just too stupid to realize the dangers and cost that
> are involved with this sh*t.  They think that the computer is just an
> appliance like a toaster that is either working or not.  They think any
> [g-d]damn thing that is fed to them over the internet must be OK and can't
> hurt them.  They think that all this 'free use' stuff is provided to them
> because they are God's American children.
>
>
>             I see now from reading the other mails that you are talking
> about the yahoo group.  I thought you were speaking of the AM
> reflector because I have had trouble there.  As I was saying
> It is every where.  I will say this once!  I hate YAHOO.
> These YAHOO people have joined with SBC and others and now
> think they own the whole fscking internet.  YAHOO even is so
> bold as to put the statement in their EULA that they will spy
> on you and sell the info to third party users.  Most American
> people don't even read the damn EULA and couldn't understand
> it if they did.  I know because I have shown it to many folks
> and their response is "what does this mean" or "SO how does
> this affect me".  My EX wife tried to set up a domain name
> using YAHOO on-line interface and had all kinds of hell.  She
> got the domain name created but could she never take control
> of it and the SBC Yahoo people couldn't either.  Because YAHOO
> creates a domain at a registrar in Melbourne Australia and she
> typed her email wrong so the registrar can't email the control
> ID and password to her or YAHOO and the email that she missed
> typed belongs to another person so she can't take control of
> that either.  The only way to straighten this up would be a
> three way phone conversation from Arkansas, California, and
> Australia.  I told her to forget it and just choose another
> domain name to create and spend the money again.  It was
> cheaper than the fight over the phone.  I set it up for her at
> Network Solutions where I mange several other domains.  Her
> cost was $75 for 3 years.  I have nothing against making money
> and I believe that if you create a design or music or product
> of any kind that you should be entitled to complete control
> over price and availability of the distribution of that
> product and that you should have that right protected by laws
> governed by the US.  According to my surveys about 25 - 30 %
> of Americans are thieves that have no remorse about stealing
> someone's ideas or products for their own use and financial
> gain.  The marketers are using this and other luring aspects
> of the internet medium to spy on these Americans in hopes that
> they will get information about what people want to see, do,
> or buy.  Marketers then sell this info for big bucks to
> advertising firms and some direct to the resellers.  If
> Americans would just wake up and study what is really
> happening they would see how they are being used and herded
> like sheep to slaughter.  Marketers and ad firms and big
> corporate manufactures have about taken control of this
> country and its sheep.  Americans don't want to learn how to
> make or manufacture here in America.  The so call well
> educated folks just want to be in control of the out of
> country markets and manufacturing and sell to the sheep here
> in America.  The sheep don't want to learn or go to any effort
> to protect themselves they will be content to be protected and
> led by the controlling marketers until it is time for
> slaughter.
>
> I'm sorry, I am a little pissed off here lately because we at the shop
> have the responsibility of trying to clean this crap off of the computers
> so the sheep can get back on-line and do what they do some more.  We spend
> 50% - (400% more time than we should -that we don't charge for-) getting
> this job done.  And we do it as if there is a war against it.  We try to
> educate folks about what is going on but they close up about it.  I had
> one person ask me,"what good is the internet if you can't do all this free
> entertaining stuff with out it corrupting your system to the point that it
> doesn't function anymore".   I think to my self, "Why the hell, do
> Americans have to be entertained all the [g-d]damn time".
>
>
>
> You can send this to as many as you want.  My apologies for the rough
> language here some times it is necessary to express how I really feel.  I
> wouldn't be surprised if this message was to be censored by some ISPs
> especially the ones controlled by companies like YAHOO.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> BTW, I use SBC YAHOO as my ISP here at home I joined when it was just SBC,
> before YAHOO came in.  When YAHOO came in and I was forced to change my
> account I told them to take their email and EULA agreement and shove it!
> For the most part I have COOKIES completely off which stops me from going
> to a lot of sites.  I just don't go to those sites.
>
>
> It's sort of like this scenario.
>
>             Imagine that there is a new restaurant that has just opened
> and they serve very good food and steaks for a price of $2.00
> per meal, all you can eat, but only if you are a member.  To
> become a member, only cost you $10.00 per month and you have
> to fill out an agreement paper about all sorts of stuff some
> of which is personal but mostly about what you like too eat
> and what you like about various restaurants.  You also have to
> agree to let some one follow you around for a few days a month
> to see some of your other habits and haunts.  You don't have
> to do anything different and there is no obligation except
> this monthly EULA.
>
> You would be surprised at the number of people that would say "SURE"
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> He's 100% right.
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> -Geoff
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