From gboswell at accd.edu Mon Nov 1 08:37:27 2004 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Mon Nov 1 08:20:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list Message-ID: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu> Jeremy, I'm a little late on this but count me in. I've only had my license since May so I'm a real novice,but I'm real interested in the open source movement in the Ham community. Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ (do not take personal just my point of view) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From storey at clamp.ws Mon Nov 1 08:52:07 2004 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Mon Nov 1 08:39:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list In-Reply-To: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu> References: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu> Message-ID: <41864D97.1000807@clamp.ws> Jeremy, Please add me to the list. Thanks, Storey Clamp, ex-W5NFJ, ex-J9ACJ, ex-KR6AU From jhutchins at integralsecurity.com Mon Nov 1 09:06:36 2004 From: jhutchins at integralsecurity.com (Jonathan Hutchins) Date: Mon Nov 1 08:53:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller? References: <20041031155010.70910.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c4c024$64972840$c302a8c0@hot.rr.com> If both the cdrom and the hard drive were both set as master then the firmware and/or data on the hard drive may have gotten corrupted. It might help to update the firmware on your hard drive. (You want to make sure that the power does not go out during the update.) A low level format using dd or debug should take care of any bad data on the hard drive. Please not that this will erase the hard drive. The cable select uses regular ide cables. It is possible to have both drives set as cable select. Basically the drives are determined by where they are located on the cable. There is a possibility that the cables may be bad. At least, they are the least expensive part to replace. Thanks, Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller? > Well, I did have master set on the CD-ROM and it was > the only drive on the chain. I then put it on the > secondary controller on another mobo, and the IDE > drive which was master on the primary started acting > weird! Now I've removed it and the drive is still > acting strange. Note that the cable has been > following the drive around; are the cable-select > cables incompatible with the regular IDE cables? > > I've lost track of exactly what was in what computer. > > I started with CD-ROM in Dell Dimension. Worked fine. > > Then think I had both the IDE HDD and CD-ROM on the > same cable in computer A, and it was acting weird, so > I removed IDE HDD, still acting weird. > > Then I put both IDE HDD and CD-ROM in computer B, but > on different channels. Both acting strange. Remove > CD-ROM and the IDE HDD doesn't work. > > What do you think? Should I put the CD-ROM back in > the Dell and never move it again? Or is the drive > fuxored? I guess I could put the drive in computer C > and test it out... or is the IDE HDD the > cyberterrorist? > > So far the BIOSes haven't been the kind that probe the > drive. They have had "AUTO" settings and it probes > the drive during the POST or early boot sequence. The > strings they probe with are really weird, > unrecognizable. The CD-ROM probed in machine A but > not B. > > I guess I'll buy a IDE controller on Ebay. They're > getting hard to find... BTW, I hate broken hardware, > ESPECIALLY on the mobo! I can't ditch the mobo > because it has a special SCSI card that only works > with the mobo (BIOS is on the mobo). This sucks. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From kd5lsx at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 10:51:08 2004 From: kd5lsx at earthlink.net (Joshua Davis) Date: Mon Nov 1 10:33:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list In-Reply-To: <41864D97.1000807@clamp.ws> Message-ID: Might as well put me in there too. Joshua/KD5LSX -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Storey Clamp Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:52 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] HAM list Jeremy, Please add me to the list. Thanks, Storey Clamp, ex-W5NFJ, ex-J9ACJ, ex-KR6AU _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From agrayfox at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 10:56:29 2004 From: agrayfox at gmail.com (augie) Date: Mon Nov 1 11:39:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller? In-Reply-To: <20041030235329.54745.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041030235329.54745.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1331203c041101095672c4c047@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:53:29 -0700 (PDT), Travis wrote: > Hey I pulled a CD-ROM out of a newer Dell and put it > in another machine, and now the drives attached to > that controller are reporting very strange probe > strings. This has happened in two machines; I think I > may have ruined the IDE controllers on two seperate > motherboards thanks to this. These are 586-class > motherboards by the way. > This is a wild guess! Could it be one of the new CD-ROMs that has built in DRM and what you're seeing is the queries that it is trying to send to your HD so that it can report its activity to the vendor? I remember reading about new hardware that would do this automagically, but that vendors were supposed to give us an option to buy with or without this feature. Have you checked your network output to see if it's communicating with or trying to contact the vendor? HTH Augie Grayfox From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 13:38:41 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Nov 1 13:21:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> Hi Gang: Maybe one of you can help me with some questions about IMAP. I have set up an A name record for our domain to point to linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com. I'm using 'linuxbox' because I don't want to publish our FQDN on the public internet. I changed the hostname of our linux server to match this and it it resolving properly. I have successfully set up the dovecot IMAP daemon and it works fine with Evolution. It's using /var/spool/mail/username for INBOX and /home/username/mail to store the mail folders. I can create new folders and copy emails across from the local folders just fine. What I'm wondering is this - how do I switch from using Yahoo's POP mail server to using our own local server for receiving emails? In other words, I can point an MX record at our server here but want to be sure the local server is configured properly to receive the emails before I do that. Here are a couple of things I need to consider: * Email addresses are currently firstname@medicalresourceusa.com - however our local usernames on the linux box are first initial, last name, like this: scarolan. How do I tell dovecot that mail for sean@medicalresourceusa.com is destined for username scarolan? Can I just set up an alias so mail for sean@ goes to scarolan@medicalresourceusa.com? * Since our hostname is linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com will it cause problems for mail being sent or received? I don't want the hostname showing up in the email address. Also we want to make sure we are compliant with reverse DNS lookups. Any input is most welcome. Sean From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 13:59:48 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Nov 1 13:42:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0411011159627c2107@mail.gmail.com> Ok, here's a little more information that might be helpful: Sendmail is our MTA and I have this set up in the virtusertable file: sean@medicalresourceusa.com scarolan Am I to understand that when the MTA receives email addressed for sean@medicalresourceusa.com it will drop it into /var/spool/mail/scarolan? At this point my IMAP server can access it and allow me to manipulate it as I wish right? From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Nov 1 14:12:33 2004 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Mon Nov 1 13:55:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Excel Query Message-ID: <200411011412330750.0099A97D@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Please respond off list to scs @ worldlinkisp dot com, if anyone can help. Does anyone know where I can get (as in buy) an older copy of uSoft Excel ? Am trying to help a gal get her feet on the ground and prepared to take an Excel course, and sharpen her marketable skills. Need a older copy that will run on Win98SE, to use for tutorial practice session(s). I've never used Excel, tried using Open Office, but it doesn't do the header and cell things that her library four session intro course demonstrated and wanted them to learn. Sorry about a uSoft question. Thanks. Lou Warnholtz From sigemund at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:21:27 2004 From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon Nov 1 14:04:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters Message-ID: This is not exactly a "LINUX" topic per se, but it's a networking/internet/email topic. Where I work, I set up a spam filter a while back. Around July. It's a product called GWGuardian. Anyhow, it uses reverse DNS as its first line of spam defense. Email from any server with an incorrect or missing rDNS entry is rejected immediately. We've been living with it for a while now like this, and for this time, a small portion of legitimate email gets rejected because of bad rDNS. What usually happens is that people have the problem of not getting an email coming in for a while, and so the sender calls and blah blah blah, eventually I find out about it, have to diagnose the problem (which is 95% rDNS), talk to someone in network admin of the sender's company, explain to them the problem and get them to fix their problem. I can whitelist the ip of their mail server until they get the rDNS setup properly. About a week ago, the guy I work with emailed the whole faculty (I work at a school) and told them to send him whatever email addresses weren't getting in. He didn't understand what the problem was and thought it was a DNS problem on our end ("we'll get this problem fixed once and for all", but if it's not our problem, how the f can I fix it "once and for all"!?). . So now I've got a stack of emails with a bunch of domains that aren't getting to us, and all but one are rDNS problems. What do I do? Do I turn off the reverse DNS filtering, even though it's kind of the "first line of defense" against spam, just so I can eliminate this problem, and save myself the trouble of talking to the admins of all of these companies and having to worry about this in future? Do I just whitelist the ips of all of these domains' MX records and leave rDNS filtering on? Or do I just up and do the dirty work, and go one at a time through this stack, tracking down whomever I need to talk to and help them get themselves fixed up? Getting it fixed is better for everyone, including the "health of the internet" because rDNS stuff should be properly set. But it's SO MUCH WORK not only convincing someone that the problem is on their end, but also getting them to do anything about it. I'm kind of irate about it because we had the same problem earlier in the year, with email being rejected. Turns out the guy I work with (he's often at fault) hadn't properly setup the rDNS after he said he had, and so we had email bounce back. No one told ME what the problem was, I had to figure the bloody thing out for myself. And now people are treating emails that are rejected for this as a problem with our systems, and I have to do the work for them too. It just really gets me steamed . . . advice?? Mark From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:33:56 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Nov 1 14:16:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com> Question, is there a delay problem when contacting thru the DNS? I say this because maybe what is happening is the MX record is not accepting your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's will only allow a certain number of requests before they blacklist you. Try decreasing the timeout period of your rDNS setup. On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:21:27 -0600, Mark wrote: > This is not exactly a "LINUX" topic per se, but it's a > networking/internet/email topic. > > Where I work, I set up a spam filter a while back. Around July. It's > a product called GWGuardian. Anyhow, it uses reverse DNS as its first > line of spam defense. Email from any server with an incorrect or > missing rDNS entry is rejected immediately. We've been living with it > for a while now like this, and for this time, a small portion of > legitimate email gets rejected because of bad rDNS. What usually > happens is that people have the problem of not getting an email coming > in for a while, and so the sender calls and blah blah blah, eventually > I find out about it, have to diagnose the problem (which is 95% rDNS), > talk to someone in network admin of the sender's company, explain to > them the problem and get them to fix their problem. I can whitelist > the ip of their mail server until they get the rDNS setup properly. > > About a week ago, the guy I work with emailed the whole faculty (I > work at a school) and told them to send him whatever email addresses > weren't getting in. He didn't understand what the problem was and > thought it was a DNS problem on our end ("we'll get this problem fixed > once and for all", but if it's not our problem, how the f can I fix it > "once and for all"!?). . So now I've got a stack of emails with a > bunch of domains that aren't getting to us, and all but one are rDNS > problems. > > What do I do? Do I turn off the reverse DNS filtering, even though > it's kind of the "first line of defense" against spam, just so I can > eliminate this problem, and save myself the trouble of talking to the > admins of all of these companies and having to worry about this in > future? Do I just whitelist the ips of all of these domains' MX > records and leave rDNS filtering on? Or do I just up and do the dirty > work, and go one at a time through this stack, tracking down whomever > I need to talk to and help them get themselves fixed up? Getting it > fixed is better for everyone, including the "health of the internet" > because rDNS stuff should be properly set. But it's SO MUCH WORK not > only convincing someone that the problem is on their end, but also > getting them to do anything about it. I'm kind of irate about it > because we had the same problem earlier in the year, with email being > rejected. Turns out the guy I work with (he's often at fault) hadn't > properly setup the rDNS after he said he had, and so we had email > bounce back. No one told ME what the problem was, I had to figure the > bloody thing out for myself. And now people are treating emails that > are rejected for this as a problem with our systems, and I have to do > the work for them too. It just really gets me steamed . . . > > advice?? > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:38:30 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Nov 1 14:21:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411011159627c2107@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011159627c2107@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04110112386f5589e0@mail.gmail.com> Sean, you can do it with either VUsers are with a simple aliases file. I find the simpliest approach is with the aliases file. On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:59:48 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote: > Ok, here's a little more information that might be helpful: > > Sendmail is our MTA and I have this set up in the virtusertable file: > > sean@medicalresourceusa.com scarolan > > Am I to understand that when the MTA receives email addressed for > sean@medicalresourceusa.com it will drop it into > /var/spool/mail/scarolan? At this point my IMAP server can access it > and allow me to manipulate it as I wish right? > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From sigemund at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:39:45 2004 From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon Nov 1 14:22:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters In-Reply-To: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh yeah, I increased the delay a while back, but all of these are ones that I've verified don't have reverse DNS set up through http://www.dnsstuff.com, which is a totally awesome site. You can do all the same stuff with linux using dig and such, but it's so nice to have it easier to use :) On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:33:56 -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Question, is there a delay problem when contacting thru the DNS? I say > this because maybe what is happening is the MX record is not accepting > your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's will only allow a > certain number of requests before they blacklist you. Try decreasing > the timeout period of your rDNS setup. > > > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:21:27 -0600, Mark wrote: > > This is not exactly a "LINUX" topic per se, but it's a > > networking/internet/email topic. > > > > Where I work, I set up a spam filter a while back. Around July. It's > > a product called GWGuardian. Anyhow, it uses reverse DNS as its first > > line of spam defense. Email from any server with an incorrect or > > missing rDNS entry is rejected immediately. We've been living with it > > for a while now like this, and for this time, a small portion of > > legitimate email gets rejected because of bad rDNS. What usually > > happens is that people have the problem of not getting an email coming > > in for a while, and so the sender calls and blah blah blah, eventually > > I find out about it, have to diagnose the problem (which is 95% rDNS), > > talk to someone in network admin of the sender's company, explain to > > them the problem and get them to fix their problem. I can whitelist > > the ip of their mail server until they get the rDNS setup properly. > > > > About a week ago, the guy I work with emailed the whole faculty (I > > work at a school) and told them to send him whatever email addresses > > weren't getting in. He didn't understand what the problem was and > > thought it was a DNS problem on our end ("we'll get this problem fixed > > once and for all", but if it's not our problem, how the f can I fix it > > "once and for all"!?). . So now I've got a stack of emails with a > > bunch of domains that aren't getting to us, and all but one are rDNS > > problems. > > > > What do I do? Do I turn off the reverse DNS filtering, even though > > it's kind of the "first line of defense" against spam, just so I can > > eliminate this problem, and save myself the trouble of talking to the > > admins of all of these companies and having to worry about this in > > future? Do I just whitelist the ips of all of these domains' MX > > records and leave rDNS filtering on? Or do I just up and do the dirty > > work, and go one at a time through this stack, tracking down whomever > > I need to talk to and help them get themselves fixed up? Getting it > > fixed is better for everyone, including the "health of the internet" > > because rDNS stuff should be properly set. But it's SO MUCH WORK not > > only convincing someone that the problem is on their end, but also > > getting them to do anything about it. I'm kind of irate about it > > because we had the same problem earlier in the year, with email being > > rejected. Turns out the guy I work with (he's often at fault) hadn't > > properly setup the rDNS after he said he had, and so we had email > > bounce back. No one told ME what the problem was, I had to figure the > > bloody thing out for myself. And now people are treating emails that > > are rejected for this as a problem with our systems, and I have to do > > the work for them too. It just really gets me steamed . . . > > > > advice?? > > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > -- > Jeremy > From tbeck at dragon-designs.net Mon Nov 1 16:51:22 2004 From: tbeck at dragon-designs.net (tbeck@dragon-designs.net) Date: Mon Nov 1 15:30:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions Message-ID: <200411012251.iA1MpMD25414@ns3.hwcs.net> You can use FetchMail and aliases for the mail Sean Carolan wrote .. > Hi Gang: > > Maybe one of you can help me with some questions about IMAP. I have > set up an A name record for our domain to point to > linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com. I'm using 'linuxbox' because I don't > want to publish our FQDN on the public internet. I changed the > hostname of our linux server to match this and it it resolving > properly. > > I have successfully set up the dovecot IMAP daemon and it works fine > with Evolution. It's using /var/spool/mail/username for INBOX and > /home/username/mail to store the mail folders. I can create new > folders and copy emails across from the local folders just fine. > > What I'm wondering is this - how do I switch from using Yahoo's POP > mail server to using our own local server for receiving emails? In > other words, I can point an MX record at our server here but want to > be sure the local server is configured properly to receive the emails > before I do that. Here are a couple of things I need to consider: > > * Email addresses are currently firstname@medicalresourceusa.com - > however our local usernames on the linux box are first initial, last > name, like this: scarolan. How do I tell dovecot that mail for > sean@medicalresourceusa.com is destined for username scarolan? Can I > just set up an alias so mail for sean@ goes to > scarolan@medicalresourceusa.com? > > * Since our hostname is linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com will it cause > problems for mail being sent or received? I don't want the hostname > showing up in the email address. Also we want to make sure we are > compliant with reverse DNS lookups. > > Any input is most welcome. > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Mon Nov 1 16:54:29 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Mon Nov 1 16:22:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list In-Reply-To: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu> References: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu> Message-ID: <1099349670.1900.0.camel@zeus.matrix> I'm still here although my radio presence is a bit nonexistent. FIRESTORM_v1 (kd5yrn) From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 19:37:58 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Nov 1 19:20:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: <200411012251.iA1MpMD25414@ns3.hwcs.net> References: <200411012251.iA1MpMD25414@ns3.hwcs.net> Message-ID: <277020fc0411011737727db1ed@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure I understand properly - why would I need fetchmail when I'm trying to get *away* from using POP3 email? The server that is hosting the IMAP daemon is the same box that my users have their accounts on, and the same box I want to use for receiving incoming mail. When you mention an aliases file, would this be /etc/aliases? If so, what's the virtusertable file in the /etc/mail folder for? Forgive me for being a rookie, I have never used imap or anything other than simple pop3 client-server stuff before. From dubose at texas.net Mon Nov 1 19:52:11 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Mon Nov 1 19:34:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list Message-ID: <20041102015127.7A5AD3952B4E@mail1.aus.texas.net> > I'm still here although my radio presence is a bit nonexistent. > > > FIRESTORM_v1 (kd5yrn) > > BTW, this is being sent from the San Antonio EOC this evening...the ham radio operator cadre is having their monthly meeting...you are welcome to attend. I am hoping to have an EOC computer group meeting down here before Thanksgiving. 73, Walt/K5YFW From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 21:23:16 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Nov 1 21:06:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller? In-Reply-To: <1331203c041101095672c4c047@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041030235329.54745.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> <1331203c041101095672c4c047@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f04110119237ae2dab2@mail.gmail.com> I would check your cables from the sound of it you been moving drives around alot. IDE cables can get damage when you pull the cable and not the head. Zeb From wmail at wricomp.com Mon Nov 1 23:25:40 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon Nov 1 23:08:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:38:41 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote: > ... I can point an MX record at our server here but want to >be sure the local server is configured properly to receive the emails >before I do that. Test your new mail server by sending to sean@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com instead of your regular domain. Using the full name of the new host means mail will go directly there instead of to your existing Yahoo MX record. That way you can check SMTP setup before making changes in DNS. You should also send mail from (and through) that box to another of your accounts to verify the headers on outgoing mail have been rewritten correctly. --Don From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Nov 2 00:35:38 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Nov 2 00:18:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:25:40 -0600, Don Wright wrote: >Test your new mail server by sending to >sean@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com instead of your regular domain. Using >the full name of the new host means mail will go directly there instead of >to your existing Yahoo MX record. That way you can check SMTP setup before >making changes in DNS. For completeness, I should add that this might fail if the Yahoo MX record uses a wildcard to get all hosts at your domain, thusly: *.medicalresourceusa.com. IN MX 10 somehost.yahoo.com. In either case you can add a specific MX record to your existing entries so mail for linuxbox actually goes to linuxbox: linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com. IN MX 10 linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com. (all on one line) Whoops! Just tried looking up linuxbox and it seems that Yahoo DNS is setup with a wildcard for the whole domain. Something like: *.medicalresourceusa.com. CNAME premium.geo.yahoo.akadns.net. This means you'll first need to add an A record for your new host. Of course rDNS will need to be negotiated with your ISP, but you should be able to start testing without that. --Don -- Price slightly higher west of the Rockies. From solinym at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 08:12:45 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Tue Nov 2 09:55:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller? In-Reply-To: <1331203c041101095672c4c047@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041102161245.52131.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> I have never heard of that, but it would require either hardware support on the motherboard or from the OS, probably the latter. I'm sure my OpenBSD boot floppies don't have that support. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From solinym at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 08:38:37 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Tue Nov 2 10:21:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters In-Reply-To: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > Question, is there a delay problem when contacting > thru the DNS? I say > this because maybe what is happening is the MX > record is not accepting > your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's > will only allow a > certain number of requests before they blacklist > you. Try decreasing > the timeout period of your rDNS setup. This doesn't make any sense. Records don't accept queries, BIND/named does. BIND may do throttling, but I've never heard of that. Even if they do, it makes sense, because your named should cache the MX record once it gets it. You shouldn't point your resolver library at someone else's named, which is the only reason you might not cache requests, and if you do you deserve to get blacklisted. Also, there's no reason for a public DNS server to do recursive queries. Anyway, someone's outbound SMTP server should have proper reverse DNS. This is virtually impossible for people on DHCP; I know, I've tried. rDNS will almost always be broken for DHCP users; using a dynamic DNS provider won't help, because they don't have control of your IN-ADDR.ARPA blocks. I currently use the "smarthost" feature to relay through my ISP's SMTP server. Back to the question: BOFH answer: They should fix their DNS. You do not have to fix this for them. You have no obligation to accept their email until they fix it. Make a web page describing how to check their DNS and point all complainers to it. Have them verify that reverse DNS is set up properly before allowing them to submit a complaint for you to investigate. Explain your policy and why you do it. Put the burden back on them to prove that rDNS is set up properly; make them include a transcript of that verification with their request that you look into it. You can write a script for them if you want to make it easy. Reject any requests which do not carry output which shows that rDNS is working fine. Buck-Passing answer: Hold a referendum among your users. The spam filtering is for them, right? So make them choose and then you have yourself morally protected. Make them pick their poison, and live with the consequences of their decision. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From sigemund at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 10:51:21 2004 From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue Nov 2 10:34:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters In-Reply-To: <20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com> <20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jeremy, I'm not following the first part of your email. Anyhow, the guy I work with discussed it with the higher ups, and they picked what had to be the most work for me, of course. Whitelist the IPs for the MX records that don't have any rDNS setup. Then try to get the senders to fix their problem. I was in favor of that too, but after further thought, I think I should just turn the damned thing off. Because how many email is getting bounced with no one ever following up on it? And am I going to have to do this for a stack of emails once a week? I like the BOFH answer though :) Mark On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:38:37 -0800 (PST), Travis wrote: > --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > > Question, is there a delay problem when contacting > > thru the DNS? I say > > this because maybe what is happening is the MX > > record is not accepting > > your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's > > will only allow a > > certain number of requests before they blacklist > > you. Try decreasing > > the timeout period of your rDNS setup. > > This doesn't make any sense. > > Records don't accept queries, BIND/named does. > > BIND may do throttling, but I've never heard of that. > > Even if they do, it makes sense, because your named > should cache the MX record once it gets it. You > shouldn't point your resolver library at someone > else's named, which is the only reason you might not > cache requests, and if you do you deserve to get > blacklisted. Also, there's no reason for a public DNS > server to do recursive queries. > > Anyway, someone's outbound SMTP server should have > proper reverse DNS. This is virtually impossible for > people on DHCP; I know, I've tried. rDNS will almost > always be broken for DHCP users; using a dynamic DNS > provider won't help, because they don't have control > of your IN-ADDR.ARPA blocks. I currently use the > "smarthost" feature to relay through my ISP's SMTP > server. > > Back to the question: > > BOFH answer: > They should fix their DNS. You do not have to fix > this for them. You have no obligation to accept their > email until they fix it. Make a web page describing > how to check their DNS and point all complainers to > it. Have them verify that reverse DNS is set up > properly before allowing them to submit a complaint > for you to investigate. Explain your policy and why > you do it. Put the burden back on them to prove that > rDNS is set up properly; make them include a > transcript of that verification with their request > that you look into it. You can write a script for > them if you want to make it easy. Reject any requests > which do not carry output which shows that rDNS is > working fine. > > Buck-Passing answer: > Hold a referendum among your users. The spam > filtering is for them, right? So make them choose and > then you have yourself morally protected. Make them > pick their poison, and live with the consequences of > their decision. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From solinym at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 09:05:03 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Tue Nov 2 10:47:53 2004 Subject: sendmail, was Re: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041102170503.73092.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> I would avoid using sendmail. It has the longest history of security problems of any piece of userland software, and its configuration syntax is so obscure they have m4 macros to write it. postfix is way way way more secure, and I can't think of a single reason to use sendmail for a new configuration, aside from knowing sendmail already and being intellectually lazy. There will be another remote-root sendmail hole, I give you my word. The last exploit I recall was a "data driven" exploit that could be embedded in an email and relayed from another, secure MTA, to a vulnerable sendmail somewhere inside your network. Very scary - having secure MTAs at your network boundary is not enough! Plus, it's easier to configure for a novice and has good documentation online: http://www.postfix.org/ If you intend to run a publicly-accesible sendmail server, you should subscribe to bugtraq and read any email containing the word sendmail. If you can't do that, subscribe to CERT's email list. Gotta run... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 11:36:19 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Nov 2 11:19:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com> >Test your new mail server by sending to >sean@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com instead of your regular domain. Using >the full name of the new host means mail will go directly there instead of >to your existing Yahoo MX record. That way you can check SMTP setup before >making changes in DNS. Ok, I have made an A record that points to linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com but when I try to send mail to: scarolan@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com It doesn't get delivered into my local mail spool. What am I doing wrong here? From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 11:40:03 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Nov 2 11:22:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: <277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0411020940efed8a2@mail.gmail.com> I think I figured out what's going on here - I have a catch-all on our yahoo account that dumps all misaddressed mail into my inbox. That is where the scarolan@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com mail is going right now. I am guessing that if I pointed the MX records at the same box, this address would have worked properly, putting the email into /var/spool/mail/scarolan - is that right? I wish I had a way to test this without changing the MX records - it takes 24-48 hours for the DNS to update and i want to make 100% sure it works before switching over. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:36:19 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote: > >Test your new mail server by sending to > >sean@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com instead of your regular domain. Using > >the full name of the new host means mail will go directly there instead of > >to your existing Yahoo MX record. That way you can check SMTP setup before > >making changes in DNS. > > Ok, I have made an A record that points to > linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com but when I try to send mail to: > > scarolan@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com > > It doesn't get delivered into my local mail spool. What am I doing wrong here? > From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Nov 2 12:13:24 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Nov 2 11:56:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411020940efed8a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411020940efed8a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77jfo0dfdto8hb2jacdpqd74f40248uskn@4ax.com> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:40:03 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote: >I wish I had a way to test this without changing the MX records - it >takes 24-48 hours for the DNS to update and i want to make 100% sure >it works before switching over. You should be able to insert a separate MX record for linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com to handle mail for that host only. The existing MX record for medicalresourceusa.com should handle the rest of your traffic. --Don From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 12:44:15 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Nov 2 12:27:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters In-Reply-To: References: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com> <20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f041102104449aa8acd@mail.gmail.com> Sorry ;) After re-reading it I didn't say it right. What it does is query the originating mail server to determine whether it is valid or not. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:21 -0600, Mark wrote: > Jeremy, > > I'm not following the first part of your email. > > Anyhow, the guy I work with discussed it with the higher ups, and they > picked what had to be the most work for me, of course. Whitelist the > IPs for the MX records that don't have any rDNS setup. Then try to > get the senders to fix their problem. > > I was in favor of that too, but after further thought, I think I > should just turn the damned thing off. Because how many email is > getting bounced with no one ever following up on it? And am I going > to have to do this for a stack of emails once a week? > > I like the BOFH answer though :) > > Mark > > > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:38:37 -0800 (PST), Travis wrote: > > --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > > > > > Question, is there a delay problem when contacting > > > thru the DNS? I say > > > this because maybe what is happening is the MX > > > record is not accepting > > > your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's > > > will only allow a > > > certain number of requests before they blacklist > > > you. Try decreasing > > > the timeout period of your rDNS setup. > > > > This doesn't make any sense. > > > > Records don't accept queries, BIND/named does. > > > > BIND may do throttling, but I've never heard of that. > > > > Even if they do, it makes sense, because your named > > should cache the MX record once it gets it. You > > shouldn't point your resolver library at someone > > else's named, which is the only reason you might not > > cache requests, and if you do you deserve to get > > blacklisted. Also, there's no reason for a public DNS > > server to do recursive queries. > > > > Anyway, someone's outbound SMTP server should have > > proper reverse DNS. This is virtually impossible for > > people on DHCP; I know, I've tried. rDNS will almost > > always be broken for DHCP users; using a dynamic DNS > > provider won't help, because they don't have control > > of your IN-ADDR.ARPA blocks. I currently use the > > "smarthost" feature to relay through my ISP's SMTP > > server. > > > > Back to the question: > > > > BOFH answer: > > They should fix their DNS. You do not have to fix > > this for them. You have no obligation to accept their > > email until they fix it. Make a web page describing > > how to check their DNS and point all complainers to > > it. Have them verify that reverse DNS is set up > > properly before allowing them to submit a complaint > > for you to investigate. Explain your policy and why > > you do it. Put the burden back on them to prove that > > rDNS is set up properly; make them include a > > transcript of that verification with their request > > that you look into it. You can write a script for > > them if you want to make it easy. Reject any requests > > which do not carry output which shows that rDNS is > > working fine. > > > > Buck-Passing answer: > > Hold a referendum among your users. The spam > > filtering is for them, right? So make them choose and > > then you have yourself morally protected. Make them > > pick their poison, and live with the consequences of > > their decision. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > www.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From sigemund at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 14:08:30 2004 From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue Nov 2 13:51:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters In-Reply-To: <79ec289f041102104449aa8acd@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com> <20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> <79ec289f041102104449aa8acd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually, that's my bad again, I wasn't following Travis' email, not yours. Just realized that. And gmail makes it so easy . . . *me must pay more attention On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:44:15 -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Sorry ;) After re-reading it I didn't say it right. What it does is > query the originating mail server to determine whether it is valid or > not. > > > > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:21 -0600, Mark wrote: > > Jeremy, > > > > I'm not following the first part of your email. > > > > Anyhow, the guy I work with discussed it with the higher ups, and they > > picked what had to be the most work for me, of course. Whitelist the > > IPs for the MX records that don't have any rDNS setup. Then try to > > get the senders to fix their problem. > > > > I was in favor of that too, but after further thought, I think I > > should just turn the damned thing off. Because how many email is > > getting bounced with no one ever following up on it? And am I going > > to have to do this for a stack of emails once a week? > > > > I like the BOFH answer though :) > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:38:37 -0800 (PST), Travis wrote: > > > --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Question, is there a delay problem when contacting > > > > thru the DNS? I say > > > > this because maybe what is happening is the MX > > > > record is not accepting > > > > your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's > > > > will only allow a > > > > certain number of requests before they blacklist > > > > you. Try decreasing > > > > the timeout period of your rDNS setup. > > > > > > This doesn't make any sense. > > > > > > Records don't accept queries, BIND/named does. > > > > > > BIND may do throttling, but I've never heard of that. > > > > > > Even if they do, it makes sense, because your named > > > should cache the MX record once it gets it. You > > > shouldn't point your resolver library at someone > > > else's named, which is the only reason you might not > > > cache requests, and if you do you deserve to get > > > blacklisted. Also, there's no reason for a public DNS > > > server to do recursive queries. > > > > > > Anyway, someone's outbound SMTP server should have > > > proper reverse DNS. This is virtually impossible for > > > people on DHCP; I know, I've tried. rDNS will almost > > > always be broken for DHCP users; using a dynamic DNS > > > provider won't help, because they don't have control > > > of your IN-ADDR.ARPA blocks. I currently use the > > > "smarthost" feature to relay through my ISP's SMTP > > > server. > > > > > > Back to the question: > > > > > > BOFH answer: > > > They should fix their DNS. You do not have to fix > > > this for them. You have no obligation to accept their > > > email until they fix it. Make a web page describing > > > how to check their DNS and point all complainers to > > > it. Have them verify that reverse DNS is set up > > > properly before allowing them to submit a complaint > > > for you to investigate. Explain your policy and why > > > you do it. Put the burden back on them to prove that > > > rDNS is set up properly; make them include a > > > transcript of that verification with their request > > > that you look into it. You can write a script for > > > them if you want to make it easy. Reject any requests > > > which do not carry output which shows that rDNS is > > > working fine. > > > > > > Buck-Passing answer: > > > Hold a referendum among your users. The spam > > > filtering is for them, right? So make them choose and > > > then you have yourself morally protected. Make them > > > pick their poison, and live with the consequences of > > > their decision. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Tue Nov 2 19:36:33 2004 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Tue Nov 2 19:19:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups Message-ID: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even. http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php Just a random finding. -- Timothy Beck From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Nov 2 23:41:53 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Nov 2 23:24:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411022341.53352.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Where is this list? Where do I join? I've been meaning to get my license ofr a while now.. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Nov 2 23:42:53 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Nov 2 23:25:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] graphical logon on FC1 In-Reply-To: <000001c4bf61$7591f850$0301a8c0@triffid> References: <000001c4bf61$7591f850$0301a8c0@triffid> Message-ID: <200411022342.53827.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 31 October 2004 09:51 am, Al Castanoli wrote: > There for awhile early (pre Solaris 2.0) Sun OSes hid init in /etc/5lib > along with a bunch of other handy small programs but they were easy to > symlink to, and I wrote those symlinks into install scripts for then > current SparcSTATION 2 pizza boxen circa 1992. Wow.. great stuff.. Were you actually involved in that? Tweeks From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 06:38:27 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Nov 3 06:21:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions In-Reply-To: <277020fc041102113139894e2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0411020940efed8a2@mail.gmail.com> <77jfo0dfdto8hb2jacdpqd74f40248uskn@4ax.com> <277020fc041102113139894e2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0411030438844e223@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:31:21 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote: > > You should be able to insert a separate MX record for > > linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com to handle mail for that host only. The > > existing MX record for medicalresourceusa.com should handle the rest of > > your traffic. --Don > I got it working! You were right about sendmail being difficult and arcane, but I found webmin to be very helpful in this matter. From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 08:03:12 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Nov 3 07:46:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list In-Reply-To: <200411022341.53352.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200411022341.53352.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <79ec289f04110306033a521fbf@mail.gmail.com> Tom, the list isn't created yet. I wanted to see if there was an interest and obviously there is. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:41:53 -0600, Tom Weeks wrote: > Where is this list? Where do I join? > > I've been meaning to get my license ofr a while now.. > > Tweeks > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From maquaro at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 06:34:52 2004 From: maquaro at yahoo.com (Dale Offret Jr.) Date: Wed Nov 3 08:31:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04110306033a521fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200411022341.53352.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <79ec289f04110306033a521fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4188D06C.6080305@yahoo.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: >Tom, the list isn't created yet. I wanted to see if there was an >interest and obviously there is. > > >On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:41:53 -0600, Tom Weeks wrote: > > >>Where is this list? Where do I join? >> >>I've been meaning to get my license ofr a while now.. >> >>Tweeks >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> > > > > Count me in as well, KD7SSL. Prior experience in Wyoming with EchoStation attempting to create an AutoPatch machine for the SVARC group. Dale Offret Jr. maquaro yahoo.com From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Nov 3 09:41:29 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Nov 3 09:24:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] AMD-64 In-Reply-To: <20041029184733.43342.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041029184733.43342.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1099496489.3866.31.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:47 -0700, Mary Yatti wrote: > Has anyone tried Linux w/64 bit processor? If so, are > there adequate drivers out there? > > I plan on venturing into 64-bit (AMD) real soon. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Yes, I built an AMD64 3000+ server for a client. There were no significant issues, Fedora Core 2 Just Worked(TM). -- A: Because people read from top to bottom Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From gm at winls.com Wed Nov 3 15:17:57 2004 From: gm at winls.com (George McQuade) Date: Wed Nov 3 15:01:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups In-Reply-To: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> References: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Message-ID: <1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1> Thanks for the pointer Timothy. Counting your response, satlug.org has given us 4 possible alternatives to achieve dynamic DNS tracking. We'll sit down and implement the one most suitable for us and will report back to the list. Sounds like this is a must for anyone who wishes to provide remote assistance to a machine in the internet and want to save a phone call to the customer to get his/her ip address or save the customer some $$ in static ip charges from their ip vendor. Thanks again george On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 19:36, Timothy Beck wrote: > Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it > was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even. > > http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php > > Just a random finding. > -- > Timothy Beck > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From zip at liberto.org Thu Nov 4 03:30:15 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Wed Nov 3 15:12:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups In-Reply-To: <1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1> References: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> <1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1> Message-ID: <4189F6A7.4060602@liberto.org> On the subject of static IP's from ISP's Since the days of DSL and Cable, being always on, I have never understood the reason the ISP's charge more for a static IP. I can see having 300 dial up users and saving money by buying only 290 IP's (scale) because you can bet all the users won't be on at the same time, or only buying as many IP's as DID's you have. But with an always connected connection, you need 1 IP per customer, so why not make them all static? If setup problems on the customer end is your answer, have DHCP keep a static lease on all new MAC addresses. Anyone have any idea why, other then just greedy bastards wanting more money, and more trouble for the customer trying to host anything? I hope ipv6 solves this, and gives even my SIP phone a static public routable address. Andrew George McQuade wrote: >Thanks for the pointer Timothy. >Counting your response, satlug.org has given us 4 possible alternatives >to achieve dynamic DNS tracking. We'll sit down and implement the one >most suitable for us and will report back to the list. > >Sounds like this is a must for anyone who wishes to provide remote >assistance to a machine in the internet and want to save a phone call to >the customer to get his/her ip address or save the customer some $$ in >static ip charges from their ip vendor. > >Thanks again > >george > > >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 19:36, Timothy Beck wrote: > > >>Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it >>was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even. >> >>http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php >> >>Just a random finding. >>-- >>Timothy Beck >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Nov 3 15:39:54 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Nov 3 15:22:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Dovecot? Cyrus? - Best IMAP server for Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099517994.3323.31.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 16:37 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > Any suggestions as to a good IMAP server for Fedora Core 2? I tried > installing dovecot via yum but got an error message about a missing > library. I just did a Courier IMAP installation for a customer on FC2 and was very happy with the results. It's *fast* and does IMAP and POP3. the only gotcha was that I had to make a small modification to the procmail RPM to make it deliver to ~/Maildir instead of /var/spool/mail/[username]. Contact me if you'd like to know more. Thomas From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 15:40:48 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Nov 3 15:23:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups In-Reply-To: <4189F6A7.4060602@liberto.org> References: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> <1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1> <4189F6A7.4060602@liberto.org> Message-ID: <79ec289f0411031340358e3f7e@mail.gmail.com> The answer I can come up with is they can have many more customers than IPs. If everybody was static, they couldn't have as many customers. If your computer is off and its got a static IP, it can't be used by somebody else. This way they can jumble all these users on a small subset of IPs. On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:30:15 -0600, Andrew Hodel wrote: > On the subject of static IP's from ISP's > > Since the days of DSL and Cable, being always on, I have never > understood the reason the ISP's charge more for a static IP. I can see > having 300 dial up users and saving money by buying only 290 IP's > (scale) because you can bet all the users won't be on at the same time, > or only buying as many IP's as DID's you have. But with an always > connected connection, you need 1 IP per customer, so why not make them > all static? If setup problems on the customer end is your answer, have > DHCP keep a static lease on all new MAC addresses. > > Anyone have any idea why, other then just greedy bastards wanting more > money, and more trouble for the customer trying to host anything? > > I hope ipv6 solves this, and gives even my SIP phone a static public > routable address. > > > Andrew > > > > George McQuade wrote: > > >Thanks for the pointer Timothy. > >Counting your response, satlug.org has given us 4 possible alternatives > >to achieve dynamic DNS tracking. We'll sit down and implement the one > >most suitable for us and will report back to the list. > > > >Sounds like this is a must for anyone who wishes to provide remote > >assistance to a machine in the internet and want to save a phone call to > >the customer to get his/her ip address or save the customer some $$ in > >static ip charges from their ip vendor. > > > >Thanks again > > > >george > > > > > >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 19:36, Timothy Beck wrote: > > > > > >>Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it > >>was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even. > >> > >>http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php > >> > >>Just a random finding. > >>-- > >>Timothy Beck > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Satlug mailing list > >>Satlug@satlug.org > >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From bryan.scott at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 16:54:48 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Wed Nov 3 16:37:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] fsck & read only Message-ID: Hello, I did something wrong. Recently I started getting errors from the hard drive, well decided to reboot, and it would not come up without running fsck. Well that ran and then I got a lot of questions about repairing this and that and would I like to rewrite. Well I said yes. and then I transfered the contents to a new drive, and it boots up but it is now read-only. I do not understand. I can unmount all the partitions and run fsck and all is well supposedly. I have also run fsck from knoppix, and it all reports back good. but still read only. Anyone have any ideas how I can make this drive read write again? -Bryan From pandemic at syn-recon.net Wed Nov 3 17:09:34 2004 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net) Date: Wed Nov 3 16:52:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] fsck & read only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4189652E.3050605@syn-recon.net> Bryan Scott wrote: > Hello, > I did something wrong. Recently I started getting errors from the hard > drive, well decided to reboot, and it would not come up without > running fsck. Well that ran and then I got a lot of questions about > repairing this and that and would I like to rewrite. Well I said yes. > and then I transfered the contents to a new drive, and it boots up but > it is now read-only. I do not understand. I can unmount all the > partitions and run fsck and all is well supposedly. I have also run > fsck from knoppix, and it all reports back good. but still read only. > Anyone have any ideas how I can make this drive read write again? > > -Bryan Assuming that your hard drive isn't fixing to totally die on you and assuming you are using ext3...you may need to rebuild the journal. I believe both lilo and grub let you specify to mark a partition as ext2 when you boot (in grub you need to pass the flag fs=ext2 ...or maybe fs-sys=ext2 ??? could be wrong on this one). If you have a rescue image I would just try mounting it rw as ext2 and see if that works..if it does then you likely need to rebuild your journal. Florian From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Nov 3 19:29:33 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Nov 3 19:12:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux is basis for world's fastest computer! Message-ID: <1099531778.1111.2197.camel@laptop> Today's focus: NASA blasts off with latest Linux supercomputer from SGI By Phil Hochmuth Silicon Graphics is claiming the title of world's fastest supercomputer with a Linux system it built for NASA. Named Columbia, the supercomputer cluster is built with 10,240 Intel Itanium 2 processors and runs on 20 SGI Altrix server platforms, which accommodate 512 processors per box. The supercomputer, using only 16 of the 20 servers in the cluster, was able to achieve 42.7 trillion calculations per second, or teraflops; this surpassed the performance of the previous supercomputer champs, Japan's NEC-based Earth Simulator (35.8 teraflops) and IBM's Blue Gene/L (36 teraflops). SGI says the NASA Columbia supercomputer will allow the space agency's research arm to perform tasks much faster than in the past. For instance, computer models of space shuttle launches can be performed hundreds of times in a single week, as opposed to a month. These digital dry-runs are used to predict how launches will go and anticipate problems. Weather modeling applications running on the system will be able to predict a hurricane's path up to three days earlier thanks to the Linux- and Intel-based horsepower; this will give NASA better information for launch timing, as well as let the agency warn people in hurricane-prone areas. With its history as a high-end Unix company, SGI introduced Linux into its product line in 1999. It has pushed the platform even harder than its own IRIX Unix operating system over the years, as users have sought lower-cost Unix alternatives. SGI introduced its first Linux supercomputer last year. RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS More on high-performance computing with Linux http://www.linuxclustersinstitute.org/ From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Nov 4 17:32:16 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Nov 4 11:15:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xchat (IRC) Problems Message-ID: I'm trying to access an irc for kdevelop using Xchat, but all I get is : Connecting to irc.freenode.net (193.22.254.99) port 6667... And that's it! Any help would be appreciated. Kase p.s. I've tried other networks and I get the same results. FC3 From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Nov 4 12:11:01 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Nov 4 11:53:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution Message-ID: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop> Hi guys, I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed! But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO ability to modify configuration... I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation??? Chuck From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Nov 4 18:12:34 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Nov 4 11:55:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xchat (IRC) Problems Message-ID: Nevermind. I found out that my company blocks IRC (ports 6667 - ??). > >I'm trying to access an irc for kdevelop using Xchat, but all I get is : > >Connecting to irc.freenode.net (193.22.254.99) port 6667... > >And that's it! Any help would be appreciated. > >Kase > >p.s. I've tried other networks and I get the same results. > >FC3 > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Thu Nov 4 12:17:01 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Thu Nov 4 11:59:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution Message-ID: <20041104181615.B4478E1DD29@mail2.aus.texas.net> How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax on it. Walt > Hi guys, > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The > people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install > MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of > crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed! > > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember > there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that > the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the > considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO > ability to modify configuration... > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation??? > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Nov 4 12:38:00 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Nov 4 12:20:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution In-Reply-To: <20041104181615.B4478E1DD29@mail2.aus.texas.net> References: <20041104181615.B4478E1DD29@mail2.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <1099593481.1107.2230.camel@laptop> That's what I'm in the process of doing right now -- pulling down the latest Knoppix to burn & take over there. But that's a short time fix. Knoppix is a great distribution and has a LOT of programs on the CD. I don't want them to have access to all that. Just a browser and maybe GAIM so they can do instant messaging. Other than that -- I don't want ANYTHING else. That's why I'll use Knoppix as a stop-gap, but want a true minimalist Kiosk distribution in the long run. Chuck On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:17, dubose@texas.net wrote: > How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax on it. > > Walt > > > Hi guys, > > > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The > > people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install > > MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of > > crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed! > > > > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was > > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember > > there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that > > the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the > > considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO > > ability to modify configuration... > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk > > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation??? > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Thu Nov 4 13:07:33 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Thu Nov 4 12:49:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution Message-ID: <20041104190647.4287E3A9DFD0@mail1.aus.texas.net> Well, you can always pull out the things you don't want on Knoppix and recompile it. At least that's what I was told on this list when I asked about it last week. I would REALLY like a demo on how to do this so I could customize a CD for our EOC use. That would make a GRAND program for a/some SATLUG meetings. Walt > That's what I'm in the process of doing right now -- pulling down the > latest Knoppix to burn & take over there. But that's a short time fix. > > Knoppix is a great distribution and has a LOT of programs on the CD. I > don't want them to have access to all that. Just a browser and maybe > GAIM so they can do instant messaging. Other than that -- I don't want > ANYTHING else. > > That's why I'll use Knoppix as a stop-gap, but want a true minimalist > Kiosk distribution in the long run. > > > Chuck > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:17, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax on it. > > > > Walt > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The > > > people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install > > > MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of > > > crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed! > > > > > > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was > > > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember > > > there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that > > > the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the > > > considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO > > > ability to modify configuration... > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk > > > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation??? > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From gwillden at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 13:20:44 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Thu Nov 4 13:03:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution In-Reply-To: <20041104190647.4287E3A9DFD0@mail1.aus.texas.net> References: <20041104190647.4287E3A9DFD0@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <345e55a5041104112027d9798@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:07:33 CST, dubose@texas.net wrote: > Well, you can always pull out the things you don't want on Knoppix and recompile > it. At least that's what I was told on this list when I asked about it last week. > > I would REALLY like a demo on how to do this so I could customize a CD for our > EOC use. > > That would make a GRAND program for a/some SATLUG meetings. > It's very easy to add/remove/modify/upgrade/remaster a Knoppix CD. I did it here at work a little while back. The instructions on how to do it are quite good. http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto Regards, Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From steve.mcconnell at gd-ais.com Thu Nov 4 11:46:12 2004 From: steve.mcconnell at gd-ais.com (Mcconnell, Steve) Date: Thu Nov 4 13:28:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution Message-ID: <7408C3158945264B85D07250D7A2C801018A787F@satxmail.ad.gd-ais.com> The way I have used in the past is as follows. System Requirements: * at least 1 GB of FREE RAM+Swap total (e.g. 256M ram, and 750M swap AVAILABLE) (unless you use a different compression program - look in this page for compressloop) * 3 GB free on a Linux filesystem (ext2/3, xfs, etc.) formatted disk partition Instructions: 1. Boot from the Knoppix CD 2. Open a root shell: * Menu: Kmenu->Knoppix->Root Shell * Note: All commands below are run from this root shell. 3. Configure your Internet connection (we'll need this later). If you use DHCP, it should already be configured. * Note: Run ifconfig to check. 4. Find the partition you will use to work on. In this example it is called hda1 . The partition should have a minimum of 3 GB free space 5. Mount the partition: * mount -rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 * Note: Make sure that it is read/write or you will get errors when you later chroot. To check: run mount 6. Create a root directory to work in: * mkdir /mnt/hda1/knx * If you put all your files here and it will be easy to clean up 7. If you don't have 1 GB RAM (cat /proc/meminfo (physical+swap)) then you will need a swapfile: * cd /mnt/hda1/knx ; dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=750 ; mkswap swapfile ; swapon swapfile 8. Make 2 directories, one for your new Master CD, one for the source, on a disk partition. Also, make additional directories under these named KNOPPIX: * mkdir -p /mnt/hda1/knx/master/KNOPPIX * mkdir -p /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX 9. Now, copy the KNOPPIX files to your source directory : * cp -Rp /KNOPPIX/* /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX & * Note: This will take a little while 10. Copy the main HTML page for the startup page: * cp /cdrom/index.html /mnt/hda1/knx/master/ 11. Copy everything necessary files except the ~700 Mb KNOPPIX file. * < 3.4: cd /cdrom/KNOPPIX;find . -size -10000k -type f -exec cp -p --parents {} /mnt/hda1/knx/master/KNOPPIX/ \; * 3.4: cd /cdrom;find . -size -10000k -type f -exec cp -p --parents {} /mnt/hda1/knx/master/ \; 12. Now you can "chroot" into the copied KNOPPIX: * chroot /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX If you get a whole lot of /dev/null permission deniederrors, you should do the following. This can happen if you save your Knoppix configure data to the same partition that you are using here, AND if you start with Knoppix with knoppix home=scan. Check your mount status if you met the problem: mount /dev/hdaX on /mnt/hdaX type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) (replace X with your partiton number ) where "nodev" means that you are not accessible on mounted filesystem and you can not access /dev/null. And some scripts get output redirect to /dev/null... To solve this you should mount the target partition before you do chroot like this: ^d # control+d will exit the chroot mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 You should then see: mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw) If the /dev/null warnings persist then before the chroot do : mount --bind /dev /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/dev You have to umount /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/dev before building the CD image or your /dev directory on the CD will be messed up! then you can carry on and chroot. * You are now chrooted. "/" is actually "/mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX" * To use the internet you need to mount proc mount -t proc /proc proc * You must do this step before you chroot: now edit /etc/resolv.conf and add your nameserver or cp /etc/dhcpc/resolv.conf to /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/etc/dhcpc/resolv.conf * Also change smb.conf to your MS group if you want smbd support (MSHOME is XP Home ed. usually, and WORKGROUP is 9x Windows. * check your chrooted internet connection : ping google.com * Update your package list with apt-get update * Now you can change stuff. * Warning: apt-get upgrade is a BAD IDEA. It will, quite probably, render your KNOPPIX remaster unbootable, or broken in some way. A far safer method is to only upgrade packages as necessary o Before you can add stuff, you will probably need to remove some packages. To get a list of packages installed, type this: + dpkg-query -l o If you want that list sorted by size (this way you can get rid of the biggies), type this: + dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n o To remove a package (and all packages dependant on it), type this: + apt-get remove o To check for orphaned packages, type this: + deborphan o Want to save more space by getting rid of those pesky orphans (how cruel!), type this (Warning, you won't be prompted yes/no to remove these packages. When you press Enter after this command, those packages will be gone): + deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove o If you're uncertain about the previous command and want to see what will happen without making any changes, just add the -s option to the apt-get command like this (you can do this with all of the apt-get commands, and it's a good habit to use this option before mass operations like this one): + deborphan | xargs apt-get -s -y remove o Now the good stuff. If you wish to add a package, type this: + apt-get install o What, don't know what packages to install? Type this. When the list appears, you can peruse (over 13k lines!) or search for things using /: + apt-cache search .* | sort | less o When you're done removing and adding packages, a good way to clean up is by typing this: + COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^rc |awk '{print $2} ' | xargs dpkg -P o Also, because the Debian package system keeps a cache of downloaded packages, you may want to run the following to clear out those spare files: + apt-get clean o user settings are in /etc/skel * Unmount /proc - very important! umount /proc * Press CTRL+D to leave being chrooted. Notes : When testing X-based programs, you will have to export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 When you want to autorun some programs, one can create a script and put it in the directory /etc/rc5.d/ (This only loads items before X loads) interesting stuff in /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig : * The X background file is /cdrom/KNOPPIX/background.gif (in knoppix 3.4: background.jpg) * As well as floppyconfig, there is cdromconfig which will run cdrom/KNOPPIX/knoppix.sh interesting stuff in /etc/init.d/xsession : * it ALSO sets background as /usr/local/lib/knoppix.gif Now, onto creating the ISO file : * we've finished customizing and ready to burn! * first do some cleanup : remove .bash_history files, tmp files etc * rm -rf /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/.rr_moved * Now we'll make the big KNOPPIX file which is a cloop compressed ISO 9660 filesystem : mkisofs -R -U -V "KNOPPIX.net filesystem" -P "KNOPPIX www.knoppix.net" -hide-rr-moved -cache-inodes -no-bak -pad /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX | nice -5 /usr/bin/create_compressed_fs - 65536 > /mnt/hda1/knx/master/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX the "www.knoppix.net" and "Knoppix.net filesystem" can be changed to what you want to call the file. You will get an error that it doesn't conform to ISO standards, you can ignore this. In Knoppix 3.4 the create_compressed_fs script has been updated so be sure to use it to obtain the best result. It has a new option -b (best), which enables the best compression by using different compression schemes and tries to optimize that way, but be careful, because that option is slow (10x slower). * if all went well, onto making the final CD-ROM Image : * cd /mnt/hda1/knx/master * rm -f KNOPPIX/md5sums; find -type f -not -name md5sums -not -name boot.cat -not -name isolinux.bin -exec md5sum {} \; >> KNOPPIX/md5sums (this will update the md5 hashes of the files included in the ISO, used for integrity checking) * for Knoppix <= 3.3: mkisofs -pad -l -r -J -v -V "KNOPPIX" -b KNOPPIX/boot.img -c KNOPPIX/boot.cat -hide-rr-moved -o /mnt/hda1/knx/knoppix.iso /mnt/hda1/knx/master (the ISO is stored in /mnt/hda1/knx/knoppix.iso) * For Knoppix >= 3.4 or other isolinux based distributions do: mkisofs -pad -l -r -J -v -V "KNOPPIX" -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -b boot/isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot/isolinux/boot.cat -hide-rr-moved -o /mnt/hda1/knx/knoppix.iso /mnt/hda1/knx/master (the ISO is stored in /mnt/hda1/knx/knoppix.iso) * all done! -----Original Message----- From: dubose@texas.net [mailto:dubose@texas.net] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:08 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution Well, you can always pull out the things you don't want on Knoppix and recompile it. At least that's what I was told on this list when I asked about it last week. I would REALLY like a demo on how to do this so I could customize a CD for our EOC use. That would make a GRAND program for a/some SATLUG meetings. Walt > That's what I'm in the process of doing right now -- pulling down the > latest Knoppix to burn & take over there. But that's a short time > fix. > > Knoppix is a great distribution and has a LOT of programs on the CD. > I don't want them to have access to all that. Just a browser and > maybe GAIM so they can do instant messaging. Other than that -- I > don't want ANYTHING else. > > That's why I'll use Knoppix as a stop-gap, but want a true minimalist > Kiosk distribution in the long run. > > > Chuck > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:17, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax > > on it. > > > > Walt > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. > > > The people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download > > > and install MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, > > > viruses, -- all kinds of crap. The machine lasted less than a > > > month and now Winblows is hosed! > > > > > > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was > > > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I > > > remember there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- > > > machines that the public can access. I seem to remember that some > > > of the considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no > > > login, NO ability to modify configuration... > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these > > > Kiosk distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation??? > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From twalker at world-net.net Thu Nov 4 15:54:12 2004 From: twalker at world-net.net (Tom Walker) Date: Thu Nov 4 15:36:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution In-Reply-To: <20041104190647.4287E3A9DFD0@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <200411042153.iA4LruZH013394@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> QNX used to have a one-floppy-disk-based demo distribution of their Internet Anywhere tools. It would boot up into a ramdisk with graphical browser, phone dialer, network, editor, etc. Enough drivers built in so it would run on almost anything. Can't put my hands on mine right now, but I bet I'm not the only one on the list to have seen the demo. Second idea is a do-it-yourself disto, it might fit on a floppy disk, or spend $40 for a 40 pin 16 - 32 meg IDE-Flash disk (if you can still find one). Or, put kernel & root of FD0 and /usr of FD1. By using 1.7 meg format, you can get a lot of compressed files for a ramdisk, and still be able to store a few settings or make a few changes. Just my $.02 worth. I'd be happy to see how much I could get done, just give some kernel/application requirements. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of dubose@texas.net Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:08 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution Well, you can always pull out the things you don't want on Knoppix and recompile it. At least that's what I was told on this list when I asked about it last week. I would REALLY like a demo on how to do this so I could customize a CD for our EOC use. That would make a GRAND program for a/some SATLUG meetings. Walt > That's what I'm in the process of doing right now -- pulling down the > latest Knoppix to burn & take over there. But that's a short time fix. > > Knoppix is a great distribution and has a LOT of programs on the CD. I > don't want them to have access to all that. Just a browser and maybe > GAIM so they can do instant messaging. Other than that -- I don't want > ANYTHING else. > > That's why I'll use Knoppix as a stop-gap, but want a true minimalist > Kiosk distribution in the long run. > > > Chuck > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:17, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax on it. > > > > Walt > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The > > > people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install > > > MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of > > > crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed! > > > > > > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was > > > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember > > > there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that > > > the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the > > > considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO > > > ability to modify configuration... > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk > > > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation??? > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From patl at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 4 17:41:01 2004 From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan) Date: Thu Nov 4 17:21:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing Message-ID: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com> I know that I have seen some of you mention a site that shares login info for free membership based web sites. I have never needed it before, but I want to read an article on mysa.com and I can't remember that site. Anyone have the URL? Thanks, Patrick From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Nov 4 18:12:48 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Nov 4 17:55:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing In-Reply-To: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com> References: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:41:01 -0600, "J. Patrick Lanigan" wrote: >I know that I have seen some of you mention a site that shares login >info for free membership based web sites. I have never needed it before, >but I want to read an article on mysa.com and I can't remember that site. > >Anyone have the URL? http://www.bugmenot.com/ From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 18:13:47 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Nov 4 17:56:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing In-Reply-To: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com> References: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com> http://bugmenot.com/ Be sure to get the Mozilla/Firefox extension. Works like a charm! On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:41:01 -0600, J. Patrick Lanigan wrote: > I know that I have seen some of you mention a site that shares login > info for free membership based web sites. I have never needed it before, > but I want to read an article on mysa.com and I can't remember that site. > > Anyone have the URL? > > Thanks, > Patrick > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Nov 4 18:32:44 2004 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Nov 4 18:15:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution In-Reply-To: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop> References: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <20041105003244.GB30537@mail.fortuitous.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 12:11:01PM -0600, Chuck wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The > people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install > MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of > crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed! > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation??? You may want to look at http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/ to create a flashdisk distro. Otherwise you can mount disks read-only. -Phil Carinhas -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas | pac(at)fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc. | http://fortuitous.com | | Linux Networking & Security | Tel : 1-512-351-7783 | `--------------------------------------------------------' From erichaugen at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 18:57:20 2004 From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen) Date: Thu Nov 4 18:40:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com> References: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com> <79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <674b98ac04110416578539682@mail.gmail.com> http://www.mailinator.net/ has been a favorite of mine. Eric On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:13:47 -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote: > http://bugmenot.com/ > > Be sure to get the Mozilla/Firefox extension. Works like a charm! > > > > > On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:41:01 -0600, J. Patrick Lanigan wrote: > > I know that I have seen some of you mention a site that shares login > > info for free membership based web sites. I have never needed it before, > > but I want to read an article on mysa.com and I can't remember that site. > > > > Anyone have the URL? > > > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- > Jeremy > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jehaywood at compuserve.com Thu Nov 4 19:12:13 2004 From: jehaywood at compuserve.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Thu Nov 4 18:58:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Part time jobs Message-ID: <418AD36D.1090700@compuserve.com> Does anyone know of part time sysadmin jobs available? I'm a full time student at UTSA, but have years of experience in sysadmin and development - specifically AIX and Solaris. I can read crash dumps on AIX and Solaris. I've also written device drivers for Linux (thus done kernel debugging) specifically for Redhat and SuSe. Any info or pointers would be greatly appreciated! Jennie From rhewitt at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 4 21:21:15 2004 From: rhewitt at satx.rr.com (rhewitt@satx.rr.com) Date: Thu Nov 4 21:03:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat Message-ID: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com> I have Redhat 9 and I just downloaded the latest version of samba from the samba.org site and I wqnt to upgrade the Samba on my redhat server. How do I install the new version on RedHat 9 the file I downloaded the tar.gz file. I want to set up a file server and an FTP server on my network. I will be working on the Samba part first and then the FTP site after. I can be reached at rhewitt@satx.rr.com or I can be IM'ed at rjhewitt_30 on Yahoo. any help is welcome Robert if it's new Smash it, if it's old smash it if it's Microsoft Run from it From patl at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 4 22:06:38 2004 From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan) Date: Thu Nov 4 21:46:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com> References: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com> <79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418AFC4E.6030908@satx.rr.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > http://bugmenot.com/ > > Be sure to get the Mozilla/Firefox extension. Works like a charm! Thanks everyone for the info. -Patrick From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Nov 4 22:53:51 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Thu Nov 4 22:36:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution In-Reply-To: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop> References: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200411042253.51133.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 04 November 2004 12:11 pm, Chuck wrote: > Hi guys, [...] > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation??? What about using a trimmed down Knoppix? Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Nov 4 22:55:54 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Thu Nov 4 22:38:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat In-Reply-To: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com> References: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <200411042255.54177.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> I would recommend installing it from RPM instead... On Red Hat systems.. stay with the system package manager whenever possible. Less pain in the long run. Tweels From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Nov 4 22:59:44 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Thu Nov 4 22:42:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution In-Reply-To: <200411042153.iA4LruZH013394@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> References: <200411042153.iA4LruZH013394@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <200411042259.44297.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 04 November 2004 03:54 pm, Tom Walker wrote: > QNX used to have a one-floppy-disk-based demo distribution of their > Internet Anywhere tools. It would boot up into a ramdisk with graphical > browser, phone dialer, network, editor, etc. Enough drivers built in so it > would run on almost anything. Can't put my hands on mine right now, but I > bet I'm not the only one on the list to have seen the demo. We did a demo of it at XCSSA back in like 99... It's prettyl click.. but for anything other than that demo.. there's a $2000 or so license fee you have to pay for it. A friend of mine was going that route for a while. I'll stick with Linux. Tweeks From h_oudini at hotmail.com Fri Nov 5 14:53:42 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Fri Nov 5 08:36:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat Message-ID: I'm not sure about the specifics for samba, but I'll provide a little general help. You say you downloaded a tar.gz file? Have you untarred it yet? If not, do the following: (from the command line) >tar xvfz This will create a new directory with all of the source files in it. >cd >ls You should see a bunch of files. There is probably a file name README and one named INSTALL. Read both of them. From the command line you can type 'more ', or you could just browse to the directory woth konqueror and open the files with a text editor (like kate). The INSTALL file will provide the info you need to install, however, many times the file is a generic "this is how you build from source" type of file. I assume that you've never done this (forgive me if my assumption is wrong), so it is probably worth a read. If you don't want to read the file, you should be able to do the following: >./configure You'll see all kinds of messages and, hopefully, when configure finishes you'll get some message that you're ready to build. Then... >make Again you'll see a lot more messages, and depending on the amount of source and the speed of your machine, this could take quite awhile. Again, hopefully you won't see any errors and everything will build properly. If so, you'll need to do the following: >su #make install This will install all of the binaries, libraries, and whatever else. #logout Of course if you were already root when you started, you won't have to 'su'. I hope this helps. Of course you could always just look for the RPM at rpm.pbone.net and just install the RPM with (as root): #rpm -Uvh Great thing about rpm.pbone.net you can search for RPMs for your flavor of Linux (i.e. RedHat 9). Regards, Kase > >I have Redhat 9 and I just downloaded the latest version of samba from the >samba.org site and I wqnt to upgrade the Samba on my redhat server. How do >I install the new version on RedHat 9 the file I downloaded the tar.gz >file. I want to set up a file server and an FTP server on my network. I >will be working on the Samba part first and then the FTP site after. > >I can be reached at rhewitt@satx.rr.com or I can be IM'ed at rjhewitt_30 on >Yahoo. any help is welcome > > > Robert > if it's new Smash it, if it's old smash it > if it's Microsoft Run from it > > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Fri Nov 5 11:56:59 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Fri Nov 5 11:40:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready for broad Government Use? Message-ID: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop> Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of opinions regarding using Linux in government operations.... Roy http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp From bryan.scott at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 13:11:51 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Fri Nov 5 12:54:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] fsck & read only In-Reply-To: <4189652E.3050605@syn-recon.net> References: <4189652E.3050605@syn-recon.net> Message-ID: Thank you for your help. I looked for info on rebuilding the journal, and I couldn't figure it out. So the trusty knoppix disk mounted it for me then I ftp'd it all off. Thank you for your help. -Bryan On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:09:34 -0600, pandemic@syn-recon.net wrote: > Bryan Scott wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I did something wrong. Recently I started getting errors from the hard > > drive, well decided to reboot, and it would not come up without > > running fsck. Well that ran and then I got a lot of questions about > > repairing this and that and would I like to rewrite. Well I said yes. > > and then I transfered the contents to a new drive, and it boots up but > > it is now read-only. I do not understand. I can unmount all the > > partitions and run fsck and all is well supposedly. I have also run > > fsck from knoppix, and it all reports back good. but still read only. > > Anyone have any ideas how I can make this drive read write again? > > > > -Bryan > > Assuming that your hard drive isn't fixing to totally die on you and > assuming you are using ext3...you may need to rebuild the journal. I > believe both lilo and grub let you specify to mark a partition as ext2 > when you boot (in grub you need to pass the flag fs=ext2 ...or maybe > fs-sys=ext2 ??? could be wrong on this one). If you have a rescue image > I would just try mounting it rw as ext2 and see if that works..if it > does then you likely need to rebuild your journal. > > Florian > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 14:53:08 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri Nov 5 14:35:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat In-Reply-To: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com> References: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <1099687988.3589.22.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 21:21 -0600, rhewitt@satx.rr.com wrote: > I have Redhat 9 and I just downloaded the latest version of samba from the samba.org site and I wqnt to upgrade the Samba on my redhat server. How do I install the new version on RedHat 9 the file I downloaded the tar.gz file. I want to set up a file server and an FTP server on my network. I will be working on the Samba part first and then the FTP site after. > > I can be reached at rhewitt@satx.rr.com or I can be IM'ed at rjhewitt_30 on Yahoo. any help is welcome > > > Robert > if it's new Smash it, if it's old smash it > if it's Microsoft Run from it > Have a look at http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ - there is an RPM for the latest version of Samba. I would uninstall the old version of Samba (rpm -e) and then install the new version (rpm - ivh). I would strongly recommend moving from RH9 (which is long ago end-of- life) to Fedora Core 3 which comes out on the November 8th. -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From tbeck at dragon-designs.net Fri Nov 5 17:11:12 2004 From: tbeck at dragon-designs.net (tbeck@dragon-designs.net) Date: Fri Nov 5 15:50:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat Message-ID: <200411052311.iA5NBCa14887@ns3.hwcs.net> RH9 can still be updated and used, matter of fact, fedora-legacy is doing a great job of keeping things updated and very useable. All patched, updates and so on are still available. Some people, such as myself, have their systems far to customized to make such radical changes when the behavior of FC is not the same as with the Kernel and so on. Someone on this list once said: As long as it fits the job and works, don't mess with it. Tim Thomas Cameron wrote .. > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 21:21 -0600, rhewitt@satx.rr.com wrote: > > I have Redhat 9 and I just downloaded the latest version of samba from > the samba.org site and I wqnt to upgrade the Samba on my redhat server. > How do I install the new version on RedHat 9 the file I downloaded the > tar.gz file. I want to set up a file server and an FTP server on my network. > I will be working on the Samba part first and then the FTP site after. > > > > I can be reached at rhewitt@satx.rr.com or I can be IM'ed at rjhewitt_30 > on Yahoo. any help is welcome > > > > > > Robert > > if it's new Smash it, if it's old smash it > > if it's Microsoft Run from it > > > > Have a look at > http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ - > there is an RPM for the latest version of Samba. I would uninstall the > old version of Samba (rpm -e) and then install the new version (rpm - > ivh). > > I would strongly recommend moving from RH9 (which is long ago end-of- > life) to Fedora Core 3 which comes out on the November 8th. > > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From snafu at urdirect.net Fri Nov 5 19:18:49 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Fri Nov 5 18:57:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: recording LPs to CD-R Message-ID: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net> something is buggin' me. I am starting to record my large LP collection to CD-R. I have a Pioneer CD recording deck connected to my receiver. I just got through burning my Armageddon LP (from 1975) to a blank CD-R. Then I stuck in the CD-R into my linux box (FC2) to see how the CD sounded. To my surprise, after starting the CD player (not xmms - the other one), after a few seconds of searching it then displayed "Armageddon" as the artist, AND it even displayed the proper song titles while playing... I did not use any of the "cd-text" features of my recording deck. I just set the turntable needle down on side one, and started recording. Then side 2... I can't figure how the hell a computer audio player (CD Player) could possibly know who the group was and what the song titles were. Especially since I recorded from an old 1975 LP, NOT from a CD. I am used to seeing "Unknown Artist" and "Track 1" etc etc while playing CD-Rs... From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Nov 5 19:59:40 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Nov 5 19:42:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: recording LPs to CD-R In-Reply-To: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <200411060159.iA61xeSG008179@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > something is buggin' me. I am starting to record my large LP collection > to CD-R. I have a Pioneer CD recording deck connected to my receiver. > I just got through burning my Armageddon LP (from 1975) to a blank > CD-R. Then I stuck in the CD-R into my linux box (FC2) to see how the > CD sounded. To my surprise, after starting the CD player (not xmms - > the other one), after a few seconds of searching it then displayed > "Armageddon" as the artist, AND it even displayed the proper song > titles while playing... I did not use any of the "cd-text" features of > my recording deck. I just set the turntable needle down on side one, > and started recording. Then side 2... > > I can't figure how the hell a computer audio player (CD Player) could > possibly know who the group was and what the song titles were. > Especially since I recorded from an old 1975 LP, NOT from a CD. I am > used to seeing "Unknown Artist" and "Track 1" etc etc while playing CD-Rs... Ehhh, halloween spooky...This is really cool, see if it is reproducible. -Borries From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 21:00:11 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri Nov 5 20:42:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready for broad Government Use? In-Reply-To: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop> References: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:56 -0600, Wrkwatchr wrote: > Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of > opinions regarding using Linux in government operations.... > > Roy > > http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises me. Linux is heavily used in the Fortune 500, I am amazed that some people don't understand that it is not only ready for prime time, it's probably the best thing to hit IT since Ethernet. TC From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Nov 5 21:06:37 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Nov 5 20:49:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: recording LPs to CD-R In-Reply-To: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net> References: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:18:49 -0600, "Donn D." wrote: >I can't figure how the hell a computer audio player (CD Player) could >possibly know who the group was and what the song titles were. >Especially since I recorded from an old 1975 LP, NOT from a CD. I am >used to seeing "Unknown Artist" and "Track 1" etc etc while playing CD-Rs... AIUI, the CD database uses the total length of the CD and the lengths of each track as keys to look up the album info. If your transfer process created the same track lengths as the CD version of the album it would retrieve the same info. (Many commercial CDs have been created from a good copy of the LP because the master tapes were unavailable.) The data might even have come from someone who transferred the LP just as you did. --Don From snafu at urdirect.net Fri Nov 5 22:23:35 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Fri Nov 5 22:01:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: recording LPs to CD-R In-Reply-To: References: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <418C51C7.9020004@urdirect.net> Don Wright wrote: >On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:18:49 -0600, "Donn D." wrote: > > > >>I can't figure how the hell a computer audio player (CD Player) could >>possibly know who the group was and what the song titles were. >>Especially since I recorded from an old 1975 LP, NOT from a CD. I am >>used to seeing "Unknown Artist" and "Track 1" etc etc while playing CD-Rs... >> >> > >AIUI, the CD database uses the total length of the CD and the lengths of >each track as keys to look up the album info. If your transfer process >created the same track lengths as the CD version of the album it would >retrieve the same info. (Many commercial CDs have been created from a good >copy of the LP because the master tapes were unavailable.) The data might >even have come from someone who transferred the LP just as you did. --Don > > that makes sense, I guess. Still it is weird. As you know, records have various space in between songs - from almost none to maybe 5 or 7 seconds. Sometimes I may hit the "new track #" button pretty quick after a song ends, and sometimes I may wait a few seconds... Still, I'm not complaining. Its pretty nice to get Artist info & Track info when burning from LPs. Hope it was not a one time thing... From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Nov 6 06:00:49 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Nov 6 05:43:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready In-Reply-To: <1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> Message-ID: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:56 -0600, Wrkwatchr wrote: > > Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of > > opinions regarding using Linux in government operations.... > > > > Roy > > > > http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp > > Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises > me. Linux is heavily used in the Fortune 500, I am amazed that some > people don't understand that it is not only ready for prime time, it's > probably the best thing to hit IT since Ethernet. The answer may be in who is reading this publication - any stats on this? If it is read by Windows users, military functionaries, microsoft stock owners, but not programmers, system analysts or IT management then I could understand the result. -Borries From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Nov 6 10:09:00 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Nov 6 09:51:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready In-Reply-To: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1099757340.17102.10.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 06:00 -0600, Borries Demeler wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:56 -0600, Wrkwatchr wrote: > > > Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of > > > opinions regarding using Linux in government operations.... > > > > > > Roy > > > > > > http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp > > > > Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises > > me. Linux is heavily used in the Fortune 500, I am amazed that some > > people don't understand that it is not only ready for prime time, it's > > probably the best thing to hit IT since Ethernet. > > The answer may be in who is reading this publication - any stats on this? > If it is read by Windows users, military functionaries, microsoft stock owners, > but not programmers, system analysts or IT management then I could understand > the result. > > -Borries Yeah, it's definitely not a statistically valid sampling, so I'm not too worried about it. It just sucks to see anything saying that Linux isn't ready for something. TC From dubose at texas.net Sat Nov 6 12:26:33 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sat Nov 6 11:09:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready In-Reply-To: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <418D1759.70303@texas.net> Government computer csers are, as a whole, the most uninformed computer users in the nation...all they know is MS because the government is MS centric and they have been brainwashed into believing that anything other than MS won't work. Walt Borries Demeler wrote: >>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:56 -0600, Wrkwatchr wrote: >> >>>Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of >>>opinions regarding using Linux in government operations.... >>> >>>Roy >>> >>>http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp >> >>Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises >>me. Linux is heavily used in the Fortune 500, I am amazed that some >>people don't understand that it is not only ready for prime time, it's >>probably the best thing to hit IT since Ethernet. > > > The answer may be in who is reading this publication - any stats on this? > If it is read by Windows users, military functionaries, microsoft stock owners, > but not programmers, system analysts or IT management then I could understand > the result. > > -Borries > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 6 12:26:03 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Nov 6 12:08:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat In-Reply-To: <1099687988.3589.22.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com> <1099687988.3589.22.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <200411061226.03517.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 05 November 2004 02:53 pm, Thomas Cameron wrote: > http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ - > there is an RPM for the latest version of Samba. I would uninstall the > old version of Samba (rpm -e) and then install the new version (rpm - > ivh). And don't forget to add it to the up2date skiplist!!! If you don't and you update the system files.. you could nuke nonRH RPM files. Also.. some other people on this thread recommend using tar balls.. Don't ever use tarballs on a red hat system unless: a) there's no red hat provided RPM based package available b) OR you erase/remove any conflicting packages (do an rpm -qf for each of the files your tar ball will conflict with if you want to be sure) c) AND you add any such packages to the up2date skiplist in the config (up2date-nox --config) Tweeks > > I would strongly recommend moving from RH9 (which is long ago end-of- > life) to Fedora Core 3 which comes out on the November 8th. Ditto.. The "in place" upgrades work nicely.. well.. if you haven't installed a bunch of hacked up tar balls that is.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 6 12:37:00 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Nov 6 12:19:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready for broad Government Use? In-Reply-To: <1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> References: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop> <1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> Message-ID: <200411061237.00553.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 05 November 2004 09:00 pm, Thomas Cameron wrote: > Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises > me. Shouldn't... The DOD has been in bed with MS since around '96. Their entire hacked up exchange system (DMS) is based on Exchange 5.5 (last I checked)... They violate their own security policies regularly with windows usage on SIPERNET. For the most part.. Walt was right... Very few of the Military IT staff know what their doing.. and as soon as they DO learn enough to become useful.. they churn out to the civilian sector for more $$.. often leaving some poor little airman in charge of base IT infrastructure... Sorry... got me going there.. Tweeks From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Nov 6 12:57:49 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sat Nov 6 12:40:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready In-Reply-To: <418D1759.70303@texas.net> References: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <418D1759.70303@texas.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:26:33 -0600, Walt DuBose wrote: >Government computer csers are, as a whole, the most uninformed >computer users in the nation...all they know is MS because the >government is MS centric and they have been brainwashed into >believing that anything other than MS won't work. And folks said California wouldn't elect another Republican actor. People generally follow their self-interest. We should just keep presenting the alternative in a positive way. -- MS: The great crippler of young computers. From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Nov 6 13:16:32 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sat Nov 6 12:59:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready for broad Government Use? In-Reply-To: <200411061237.00553.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop> <1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <200411061237.00553.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:37:00 -0600, Tom Weeks wrote: > Very few of the Military IT staff know >what their doing.. and as soon as they DO learn enough to become useful.. >they churn out to the civilian sector for more $$.. often leaving some poor >little airman in charge of base IT infrastructure... Some of them get it. This is from a USMC Web site, talking about technology for command, control, communication, and computers: "Future capabilities demand systems that are: ? Highly mobile, modular and capable of true on-the-move communications allowing the commander and his staff to operate from a place and at a time of his choosing ? Easy to install, operate and maintain (IOM) ? Less manpower intensive ? Able to seamlessly support line-of-sight to global communications ? Integrated and based on open standards so the network can evolve in a modular fashion, adding capability and merging legacy and new systems ? Jointly interoperable ? Designed with security built-in from the beginning ? Limited in their power consumption requirements." http://hqpub.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/C4_Campaign_Plan_7-06.pdf http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/ -- SIGHUP SIGHUP SIGHIKE From afcasta at texas.net Sun Nov 7 11:07:39 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sun Nov 7 11:15:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready forbroad Government Use? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c4c4ec$4cdc2bc0$0301a8c0@triffid> Surely the desktops I maintained for the Marines were mostly Windows boxen, but all their servers were running one version of UNIX or another, but that only encompasses a 22 year career, so I may have missed something. And the Marines stomping around Central America with me in the early 1980's were running CP/M in preference to DOS, as opposed to the Air Force guys who had DOS on those horrid bubble memory cartridges in their GRiD Compasses. The Marines were the only service stubborn enough to make Banyan Vines work, and now they're embracing Novell's SuSE Enterprise Linux, because they feel it gives them the best interconnectivity between the other services' Exchange servers and their own UNIX servers. All of the Marine IT staff I've worked with over the past 30 years know what they're doing, and the Marine Sergeant who rode into Grenada with me in 1983 was hand picked by CINCLANT. As we are nearing Veteran's Day, would it be too much to ask if we laid off bashing military IT folks, maybe? When they deploy on combat operations, they're in as much danger as anyone else. It's the contractors who stay in the rear with the gear. Al Castanoli | afcasta@texas.net -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Don Wright Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 1:17 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready forbroad Government Use? On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:37:00 -0600, Tom Weeks wrote: > Very few of the Military IT staff know >what their doing.. and as soon as they DO learn enough to become useful.. >they churn out to the civilian sector for more $$.. often leaving some poor >little airman in charge of base IT infrastructure... Some of them get it. This is from a USMC Web site, talking about technology for command, control, communication, and computers: "Future capabilities demand systems that are: . Highly mobile, modular and capable of true on-the-move communications allowing the commander and his staff to operate from a place and at a time of his choosing . Easy to install, operate and maintain (IOM) . Less manpower intensive . Able to seamlessly support line-of-sight to global communications . Integrated and based on open standards so the network can evolve in a modular fashion, adding capability and merging legacy and new systems . Jointly interoperable . Designed with security built-in from the beginning . Limited in their power consumption requirements." http://hqpub.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/C4_Campaign_Plan_7-06.pdf http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/ -- SIGHUP SIGHUP SIGHIKE ______________