[SATLUG] Whatever Happened to The Linux Course that SATLUGusedto give to Alamo PC Users Group?

Wed Nov 24 17:41:21 CST 2004

I agree but at the same time I don't want to exclude anyone...I say we help
anyone who listens and hope that they have the ability to see the truth for
what it is...the truth.  We are not bad people and we are not in it for the
same reasons the MS clan is.  We should be on some level because that's how
you affect these people.  It not enough to say they are people we don't want
to get involved with; it's more about how do we engage them.  At least the
one's like John that will listen.  How do we show them another way?  More
important I think is how do we make the rest of them irrelevant.  The key is
there somewhere!   We don't fight with or step around people...we just make
them irrelevant. And if later they want to help us and learn then we teach
them how to do it.  

For whatever reason I now have control of SalsaNet and its membership and
its access to ISoc, the IETF, and the IAB.  These are important times for
the ideas we want to instill or more directly how we want the internet and
the global community to look.  I have to say at this point I have this
Vehicle and I'm not completely sure WTF to do with...I have ideas but I sure
could use some help :)  It's really about connecting the region I think and
bringing in the Austin-San Marcos guys...the corridor as I hear it passed
around town.  

One of the larger things that needs to be overcome is how to make this
sustainable as well.  Not sure how we do that but if we can't do that and
make it work these organizations will stagnate again or fail.  Just rambling
but hey I love the input :) 

http://www.salsa.net/officers.html  the current board as it stands...it will
change in the next couple of weeks but we should be able to keep some good
old-timers on the board :) 

dean

-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces at satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces at satlug.org] On Behalf
Of Chuck
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:12 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Whatever Happened to The Linux Course that
SATLUGusedto give to Alamo PC Users Group?

Actually Dean, those "grey beards" ARE the problem!

John Woody is great.  Even though he is a MS centric guy and makes his
living off that, he has the common sense to see the future and promise
in Open Source and Linux.  But I can't say as much for the rest of their
BOD.  They just repeat the same old MS provided lines and don't seem to
think for themselves!

You might not blame them on this respect -- as most of their money comes
from MS themselves.  But if that kind of selling out is what it takes to
keep the boat afloat -- I'll take my chances in the water with the
sharks!  Unlike MS, at least the sharks are honest about wanting to eat
you alive.  They don't sneak up behind you and lie about it while
stabbing you in the back.

Alamo PC's BOD reminds me of the media during our last, great
Presidential campaign.  The parties running would hand out a whole book
of "lines" they could use and the media just regurgitated it on the
air.  Didn't bother to look up any of it, confirm it, or even think
about it -- just repeat what they were provided.  Alamo PC's BOD seemed
to be doing the exact same thing when discussing Linux and its future. 
If they're that close-minded and won't think for themselves -- they're
not the kind of people we want to get hooked up with...

Chuck

On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 16:43, Dean McCall wrote:
> The nice thing about John and Alamo PC is that they have merged there
reach
> and membership with SalsaNet.  In an effort to assist the organizations in
> the region the idea of community has a bigger foothold than it did just a
> few years ago.  At present we are the process of rebuilding the officers
and
> BOD of SalsaNet to reflect a bit more on the up and coming stars of the
> region.  The problem with most of the organizations in the region was that
> they were ahead of the curve and had no real footing on how to proceed.
The
> nice thing now is that we have the "grey beard" advisory committee and the
> rock stars (or at least that's my take) ready to make a mark and attack
the
> digital divide with a real movement.  The exchange of ideas between all
> organization is vital to this and something we are trying to
solve...ideas?
> The dues are hard to collect and I agree against most of our visions...but
> at the same time $$ to fund projects has got to come from somewhere?  My 2
> cents...
> 
> dean
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: satlug-bounces at satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces at satlug.org] On
Behalf
> Of Chuck
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:13 PM
> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Whatever Happened to The Linux Course that SATLUG
> usedto give to Alamo PC Users Group?
> 
> Summer 2003, the local Alamo PC Users Group (which we've had some
> relationship in the past) asked us to do a "Linux 101" basics course. 
> We came to an agreement on format, numbers, place, and time and gave the
> course last fall as a two hour class each Wednesday evening for 10
> weeks.
> 
> The class started out somewhat difficult as we had more than 50% more
> people than planned (and agreed upon).  But it seemed to work out well. 
> Alamo PC has seemed to show an interest in having additional classes,
> but has not officially approached us about more classes.  In addition,
> while their members were very enthusiastic about it along with one of
> their board members, John Woody, the rest of their BOD were downright
> chilly to our partnership.
> 
> They did make the suggestion that we 'merge' into Alamo PC and become
> just one of their SIGs (Special Interest Groups).  But our fundamental
> belief of ZERO cost (just like our software) didn't jibe with their
> annual membership fees.  And quite honestly, we didn't see any advantage
> to becoming just a small part of another group instead of staying a
> fully independent organization of our own.  So, as you can guess -- that
> suggestion got the laughter it deserved and was quickly dropped!
> 
> That's the history of our Alamo PC class.  If they have members
> interested in more classes, they haven't approached us with the
> request.  And if we wanted to do additional classes, we would have to
> begin collecting all the presentation material last year.  (The classes
> were presented by many individuals who each developed their own
> material).
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 13:16, Richard York wrote:
> > Whatever Happened to The Linux Course that SATLUG used to give to
> > Alamo PC Users Group?
> > 
> > Richard York
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