From zip at liberto.org Fri Oct 1 00:30:43 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Thu Sep 30 23:14:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction and Invitation In-Reply-To: <415CA597.7030507@sanantoniotx.com> References: <415CA597.7030507@sanantoniotx.com> Message-ID: <415CDD73.6000900@liberto.org> glad to have you in the community Andrew Donald L. Greer, Jr. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > ~ Folks, > ~ Hello! > ~ I've recently moved back to San Antonio after an 11 year excile to > Austin :^) and wanted to introduce myself to the local Linux community. > ~ I've been using Linux since 1994 and I've been running an ISP based > almost entirely on RedHat Linux since February 1995. I've worked as a > network administrator and network manager for the Texas State Library, > worked for a comapany call Collective Technologies where I was actually > providing RedHat's telephone support back in the 5.1/5.2 days, and of > course like every other computer geek I've been a consultant part time > or fulltime for years. > ~ Now that I'm back home in SA, I'm starting up "SanAntonioTX.COM" along > side my "AustinTX.COM" and I'm wanting to get back into the > FreeSoftware/OSS community (been too busy to participate since my > daughter was born :^). > ~ Anyway, I've accepted a position with the Alamo Community College > District to teach RedHat Certification classes at the Advanced > Technology Center at KellyUSA. The first class will start Monday at > 6:30pm and I'd like to invite anybody on the list who has been > interested in certification or looking to just get started in Linux to > join us. The class will be M-Th 6:30pm-9:30pm from Oct. 4-Nov. 16 with > a second section from Nov. 22-Jan 25. These two classes are "RH033" and > ~ "RH133" if you want to look them up at Redhat's training site. > ~ This is the first Redhat "Acadamy" in Texas. These courses are $600 > each (vs. $2000 each at proprietary schools). If you are interested in > the classes, please contact my Boss, Clark Galloway at 921-5526, or > cgalloway@accd.edu. Or you can contact me OFF LIST please. > ~ I don't know that I'll be able to make the group meetings as I"ll be > teaching class when y'all are meeting :^), but if I can make it to some > event in the future I certainly will, and I will be happy to help out > anyone (sys admins or newbies) who has any questions (about anything). > ~ Thanks and take care! > ~ Don > > - -- > - -------------------------------------------------------- > Donald L. Greer, Jr dgreer@SanAntonioTX.COM > President/CEO Voice: 512-300-0176 > AustinTX.COM/SanAntonioTX.COM http://www.AustinTX.COM/ > ~ All opinions are my own. Flame me directly. > > "I don't necessarily believe software should be free... > but if you pay for it, it should work!" -- Me > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBXKWXJeTa03HJK8sRAon4AJ40zK8JoIYFhWaz0TVs39pAwan4ywCfSaQj > JNf3nEVvxSC10U1ctXhrhE4= > =iYeN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From lblodgett at macosx.com Fri Oct 1 01:07:59 2004 From: lblodgett at macosx.com (Larry Blodgett) Date: Thu Sep 30 23:51:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Ping Scan A Range of Addresses In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0409301322308c6351@mail.gmail.com> References: <7C703955-12EC-11D9-B628-00039371EA42@macosx.com> <8ee65edd040930121778096b94@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0409301322308c6351@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 30, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Ed Coates wrote: > Larry, > > I don't remember if you said which Linux distro that you were using, > but seq is located in the coreutils package for SuSE 9.1. Install > that, or similar, and it will work for you. Also remember (you've > probably figured it out alread, but I forgot to mention it) that this > script will only do number from 1 - 10. You'll have to adjust the > number for 1 254 for your subnet. > > Ed > Ed, As you can see I am using BSD (jot) #!/bin/bash for ii in `jot - 1 20 1` do echo "testing ${ii}" if ping -c 1 129.162.184.${ii} > /dev/null 2>&1 then echo "129.162.184.${ii} is alive" fi done Just one last question, would you pleas explain the if statement. It doesn't seem to be working. Every test comes back alive. Larry From aedinius at hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 04:42:50 2004 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Fri Oct 1 03:26:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] screen capture Message-ID: My favorite tool was the import program as a part of ImageMagick. Type "import blah.jpg" into a terminal, hit enter, and then click the window you want captured. //Drew >From: steve kolars >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: satlug >Subject: [SATLUG] screen capture >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:20:03 +0000 > >I am using KDE and need to capture a window to paste it into a word >processor. Anyone know how to do this? > >Thanks, >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From aedinius at hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 04:45:26 2004 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Fri Oct 1 03:29:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mac Bashing Message-ID: I'm sitting at the same machine right now. It makes me cry. BTW, that's an AGP G4. //Drew >From: David Guarneri >Reply-To: dguarneri@satx.rr.com, "The San Antonio Linux User's Group >MailingList" >To: Jeremy Mann , "The San Antonio Linux User's >Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Mac Bashing >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:52:15 -0700 > >I knew the show would head downhill once Leo left. > >On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 18:13, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > I had to post this when I found it. Its a capture from a The Screen > > Savers episode. Baseball bat meets a G3 Mac. Sorry Mac guys, but this > > is too cool ;) Notice the audience getting in ;) > > > > http://mann.uthscsa.edu/videos/TSS-MacBash.wmv > > > > I know its a WMV but it plays fine in MPlayer and Xine. > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From edcoates at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 08:25:42 2004 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Fri Oct 1 07:09:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Ping Scan A Range of Addresses In-Reply-To: References: <7C703955-12EC-11D9-B628-00039371EA42@macosx.com> <8ee65edd040930121778096b94@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0409301322308c6351@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd041001052562018f7a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:07:59 -0500, Larry Blodgett wrote: > On Sep 30, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Ed Coates wrote: > > Ed, > As you can see I am using BSD (jot) > > #!/bin/bash > for ii in `jot - 1 20 1` > do > echo "testing ${ii}" > if ping -c 1 129.162.184.${ii} > /dev/null 2>&1 > then > echo "129.162.184.${ii} is alive" > fi > done > > Just one last question, would you pleas explain the if statement. > It doesn't seem to be working. Every test comes back alive. > Larry Larry, Didn't realize that you were using BSD. :) You might have to do a man on BSD's ping command. The above in linux will send 1 ping packet to the machine and return true if it succeds. BSD might have a different switch other than "-c" for that, or it might be a different syntax. Ed From lblodgett at macosx.com Fri Oct 1 08:49:54 2004 From: lblodgett at macosx.com (Larry Blodgett) Date: Fri Oct 1 07:33:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Ping Scan A Range of Addresses In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd041001052562018f7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7C703955-12EC-11D9-B628-00039371EA42@macosx.com> <8ee65edd040930121778096b94@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0409301322308c6351@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd041001052562018f7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64330EE0-13A8-11D9-868C-0003933E7226@macosx.com> On Oct 1, 2004, at 7:25 AM, Ed Coates wrote: > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:07:59 -0500, Larry Blodgett > wrote: >> On Sep 30, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Ed Coates wrote: >> >> Ed, >> As you can see I am using BSD (jot) >> >> #!/bin/bash >> for ii in `jot - 1 20 1` >> do >> echo "testing ${ii}" >> if ping -c 1 129.162.184.${ii} > /dev/null 2>&1 >> then >> echo "129.162.184.${ii} is alive" >> fi >> done >> >> Just one last question, would you pleas explain the if statement. >> It doesn't seem to be working. Every test comes back alive. >> Larry > Larry, > > Didn't realize that you were using BSD. :) You might have to do a > man on BSD's ping command. The above in linux will send 1 ping packet > to the machine and return true if it succeds. BSD might have a > different switch other than "-c" for that, or it might be a different > syntax. > > Ed > Ed, Thanks for all your help. I will do as you say and check it out. I thought there may be other BSD users on this list who would know the answer. Thanks again for all your help. Larry From masterr at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 10:03:20 2004 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Fri Oct 1 08:46:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] screen capture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14842c410410010703fcc67f@mail.gmail.com> Anyone know if blackbox has something like that? I had to install the kde packages just for kscreenshot to screenshot in blackbox. On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 03:42:50 -0500, Andrew Benson wrote: > My favorite tool was the import program as a part of ImageMagick. Type > "import blah.jpg" into a terminal, hit enter, and then click the window you > want captured. > > //Drew > > >From: steve kolars > >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > >To: satlug > >Subject: [SATLUG] screen capture > >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:20:03 +0000 > > > >I am using KDE and need to capture a window to paste it into a word > >processor. Anyone know how to do this? > > > >Thanks, > >Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jon/MasteR masterr@gmail.com i am a n00b From edcoates at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 11:11:11 2004 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Fri Oct 1 09:54:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Ping Scan A Range of Addresses In-Reply-To: <64330EE0-13A8-11D9-868C-0003933E7226@macosx.com> References: <7C703955-12EC-11D9-B628-00039371EA42@macosx.com> <8ee65edd040930121778096b94@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0409301322308c6351@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd041001052562018f7a@mail.gmail.com> <64330EE0-13A8-11D9-868C-0003933E7226@macosx.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd04100108114e33eadb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:49:54 -0500, Larry Blodgett wrote: > Ed, > Thanks for all your help. I will do as you say and check it out. I > thought there may be other BSD users on this list who would know the > answer. Thanks again for all your help. > > > > Larry Larry, Not a problem. Good luck with the script, and if you need anything else, let me know. Ed From edcoates at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 11:12:56 2004 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Fri Oct 1 09:56:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] screen capture In-Reply-To: <14842c410410010703fcc67f@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410410010703fcc67f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd04100108124a295ba7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:03:20 -0500, Jonathan Hull wrote: > Anyone know if blackbox has something like that? I had to install the > kde packages just for kscreenshot to screenshot in blackbox. Don't know anything about blackbox, but I use xv for my screen shots. Nice thing is that if the focus is on a particular window, then only that window will be the screen shot. Ed From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 13:24:11 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Fri Oct 1 12:08:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd040930135421d16671@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c4a7db$7739ce50$6401a8c0@hplaptop> As I understand your answers - due to the coolness factors and the ability to have profiles follow users from machine to machine, the thin client/server approach is what you are recommending... correct?? As a relative newbie, any references you can point me to that can explain to me how to do it (in simple, (small words, short sentences and pictures preferably :-)). I am especially interested in what files and directories go on the client side and server side...and what is a good basic, i.e. starter configuration for both client and server. TIA R -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Coates Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:55 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: > Its true that this could (possibly) also > be done by sharing something like /opt out on NFS, but then you have > users (probably) storing their documents in /home where they are > harder to backup to tape (or other removable storage). Plus, with > this method, you get your same desktop no matter which terminal you > login to, which is very cool, and much more difficult to achieve with > simple file sharing. All of this is not to say that you won't have > headaches, but you'll get those no matter which way you go, so you > may as well choose the cooler of the two options. > at any rate, good luck ! > > - mike That's when automount and can come in handy. You can then autmount the apps directory and make an automount for their home accounts. That way their accounts will follow them around and the directories will only be mounted when needed Ed. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 13:59:14 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri Oct 1 12:42:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <001601c4a7db$7739ce50$6401a8c0@hplaptop> References: <8ee65edd040930135421d16671@mail.gmail.com> <001601c4a7db$7739ce50$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <128bff2f04100110592d90d313@mail.gmail.com> Not sure about the short sentence and pictures but check this out anyways. http://www.ltsp.org/ zeb On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:24:11 -0500, Wrkwatchr wrote: > As I understand your answers - due to the coolness factors and the ability > to have profiles follow users from machine to machine, the thin > client/server approach is what you are recommending... correct?? As a > relative newbie, any references you can point me to that can explain to me > how to do it (in simple, (small words, short sentences and pictures > preferably :-)). I am especially interested in what files and directories go > on the client side and server side...and what is a good basic, i.e. starter > configuration for both client and server. > > TIA > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Ed Coates > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:55 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question > > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: > > Its true that this could (possibly) also > > be done by sharing something like /opt out on NFS, but then you have > > users (probably) storing their documents in /home where they are > > harder to backup to tape (or other removable storage). Plus, with > > this method, you get your same desktop no matter which terminal you > > login to, which is very cool, and much more difficult to achieve with > > simple file sharing. All of this is not to say that you won't have > > headaches, but you'll get those no matter which way you go, so you > > may as well choose the cooler of the two options. > > at any rate, good luck ! > > > > - mike > That's when automount and can come in handy. You can then autmount > the apps directory and make an automount for their home accounts. > That way their accounts will follow them around and the directories > will only be mounted when needed > > Ed. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Oct 1 14:29:59 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Oct 1 13:13:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <001601c4a7db$7739ce50$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <200410011829.i91ITxWt024283@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > As I understand your answers - due to the coolness factors and the ability > to have profiles follow users from machine to machine, the thin > client/server approach is what you are recommending... correct?? As a > relative newbie, any references you can point me to that can explain to me > how to do it (in simple, (small words, short sentences and pictures > preferably :-)). I am especially interested in what files and directories go > on the client side and server side...and what is a good basic, i.e. starter > configuration for both client and server. > > TIA > > R Here is a basic setup: 1. On the server side, put everything you want your users to be able to access, X11, KDE, Gnome, office software, browsers, web servers, etc... 2. Start gdm, xdm or kdm on the server. (Running the init level that starts up X11 on the server should be good enough, I think it is 4 for Slackware and 5 for RedHat) 3. On the dumb terminal side *all* you need is a barebone Linux installation that can run X11 (even a 386 will do!), but no window managers, KDE, Gnome, xapps, etc. need to be installed. Nothing else needs to be installed. The kernel should support TCP networking. 4. To connect, type on the terminal side: X -query myserver That's all there is to it! If you have two boxes running Linux right now you can give it a try right now. If you have a 100baseT network or better the interface will be really snappy. -Borries From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 15:06:47 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Fri Oct 1 13:50:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <200410011829.i91ITxWt024283@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <001c01c4a7e9$cc5e7ee0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Thanks...I'll have to try it...I do have two machines running linux right now, even though they are both full installs...one has Suse 8.2 Pro (this laptop) and the server is running Mandrake 10) Although I have access to most other distros. (Suse 8.2 seems to be the best and most stable distro that will work with my laptop...an HP ZE4420). Would it be better to move to RH or something else on the server? I plan on having ~300g of HD space with the option of installing Raid on the MB. Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Borries Demeler Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:30 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question > > As I understand your answers - due to the coolness factors and the ability > to have profiles follow users from machine to machine, the thin > client/server approach is what you are recommending... correct?? As a > relative newbie, any references you can point me to that can explain to me > how to do it (in simple, (small words, short sentences and pictures > preferably :-)). I am especially interested in what files and directories go > on the client side and server side...and what is a good basic, i.e. starter > configuration for both client and server. > > TIA > > R Here is a basic setup: 1. On the server side, put everything you want your users to be able to access, X11, KDE, Gnome, office software, browsers, web servers, etc... 2. Start gdm, xdm or kdm on the server. (Running the init level that starts up X11 on the server should be good enough, I think it is 4 for Slackware and 5 for RedHat) 3. On the dumb terminal side *all* you need is a barebone Linux installation that can run X11 (even a 386 will do!), but no window managers, KDE, Gnome, xapps, etc. need to be installed. Nothing else needs to be installed. The kernel should support TCP networking. 4. To connect, type on the terminal side: X -query myserver That's all there is to it! If you have two boxes running Linux right now you can give it a try right now. If you have a 100baseT network or better the interface will be really snappy. -Borries _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From biigal at satx.rr.com Fri Oct 1 16:26:17 2004 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert Lochli) Date: Fri Oct 1 15:13:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] STB Drivers Message-ID: <415DD989.E2CA62C8@satx.rr.com> I need the drivers for an STB S3 Virge DX/GX PCI video card. No such thing as STB.com -- where is an internet address to D/L the STB drivers???? A search keeps getting me retainers of other STB Virge products; but I do not need that. Thanks in advance BiigAl From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Fri Oct 1 16:48:09 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Fri Oct 1 15:31:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] STB Drivers In-Reply-To: <415DD989.E2CA62C8@satx.rr.com> (Albert Lochli's message of "Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:17 -0700") References: <415DD989.E2CA62C8@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Will this do? http://drivers.soft32.com/driver/download-S3_Graphics_ViRGE_DX_GX-24018.html -- Ted Rathkopf From solinym at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 15:10:31 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Fri Oct 1 15:54:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <20040927231736.79380.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041001211031.79629.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> I don't get it - I've always heard the term application server in reference to Java. What is an application server? Like an X terminal? If I had my drothers, most machines would be clients that booted up off local disk to get IPSec running, then NFS mounted from a central server, and pivot_root to the file server. I think it might be wise to invest in some kind of hot-swap RAID 5 that uses commodity drives, if that is possible. I am somewhat interested in something like that so if you do the research please let me know. Also invest in a DAT changer or a seperate (need not be RAID) system to synchronize your files to. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From biigal at satx.rr.com Fri Oct 1 17:08:33 2004 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert Lochli) Date: Fri Oct 1 15:56:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] STB Drivers References: <415DD989.E2CA62C8@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <415DE371.15B47B9E@satx.rr.com> Yeah Hurrah That did it I had found another for NT and W3.1 but needed the W98 stuff. Thanks again Biigal Ted Rathkopf wrote: > > Will this do? > > http://drivers.soft32.com/driver/download-S3_Graphics_ViRGE_DX_GX-24018.html > > -- > Ted Rathkopf > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 17:29:43 2004 From: wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (Roy Shrove) Date: Fri Oct 1 16:13:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question Message-ID: >From: Travis >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:10:31 -0700 (PDT) > >I don't get it - I've always heard the term >application server in reference to Java. What is an >application server? Like an X terminal? > >If I had my drothers, most machines would be clients >that >booted up off local disk to get IPSec running, then >NFS mountedt from a central server, and pivot_root to >the file server. > >I think it might be wise to invest in some kind of >hot-swap RAID 5 that uses commodity drives, if that is >possible. I am somewhat interested in something like >that so if you do the research please let me know. > >Also invest in a DAT changer or a seperate (need not >be RAID) system to synchronize your files to. > I think you missed a couple of things. First, this is all within my house with the potential for growth into a commercial site with multiple users and more security issues. I would love to have the money and expertise to establish a hot-swappable server set-up with DAT backup, but I really can't afford a rack mountable server set-up with an expensive tape back-up system. Either way, that still leaves teh question of "how" to set things up short of hiring someone else to do it (another recurring expense). If you are really interested in exploring how to setup a setup such as you describe and have deep pockets, I would be happy to point you to several consultants that would be happy to take your money and set it up for you as well as set up a mainenance program. - both things I can't afford right now and besides, I want to understand how the whole thing works. As for the Java part...I am confused. I don't see how Java has anything to do with what my goal is. R > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From mikeaw at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 17:55:43 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Fri Oct 1 16:39:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4154519d041001145549e0e937@mail.gmail.com> There are two common definitions of application server. In the Java sense, an application server would be something like JBoss. JBoss is a J2EE application server which provides security, load balancing, transactions, clustering, etc. Basically, it is designed to work along with a web server to serve up applications via HTTP. Then there's an application server as people normally think of it -- a computer which provides programs for clients to run. > >I don't get it - I've always heard the term > >application server in reference to Java. What is an > >application server? Like an X terminal? [snip] > As for the Java part...I am confused. I don't see how Java has anything to do with what my goal is. From solinym at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 16:26:19 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Fri Oct 1 17:09:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Working with ugly filenames In-Reply-To: <4154519d0409291252510d663f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041001222619.95948.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> > $ for file in *; do ls -l \"$file\"; done > ls: "ugly: No such file or directory > ls: filename: No such file or directory > ls: one": No such file or directory > ls: "ugly: No such file or directory > ls: filename: No such file or directory > ls: three": No such file or directory > ls: "ugly: No such file or directory > ls: filename: No such file or directory > ls: two": No such file or directory > > So, how can I handle the spaces? I'm sure it has to > be something simple. "$file", not \"$file\" _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From solinym at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 16:38:54 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Fri Oct 1 17:22:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Ping Scan A Range of Addresses In-Reply-To: <200409301042.06986.bogiebogart@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20041001223854.5137.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> > > >> ping 192.168.1.1-255 ping 192.168.1.255 That's a subnet-directed broadcast. One packet might elicit a echo response from each system. Some might ignore it. Depends. See if you can only send one via "-c 1" or something. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Oct 1 18:46:23 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Oct 1 17:29:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <001c01c4a7e9$cc5e7ee0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <200410012246.i91MkNLr015078@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Thanks...I'll have to try it...I do have two machines running linux right > now, even though they are both full installs...one has Suse 8.2 Pro (this > laptop) and the server is running Mandrake 10) Although I have access to > most other distros. (Suse 8.2 seems to be the best and most stable distro > that will work with my laptop...an HP ZE4420). Would it be better to move to > RH or something else on the server? I plan on having ~300g of HD space with > the option of installing Raid on the MB. Roy, it doesn't matter what you have installed on either box as long as both are running X. Pick the one you want to be the client and put it in run-level 3 (multiuser, no X): as root, type: init 3 The X will go away. Then type: X -query myotherbox and the login screen of the other box will appear. If you want to serve a lot of people from the same machine, i recommend a lot of memory and perhaps a RAID-0 configuration, because that will give you snappy response. 100baseT networking between all boxes will also help. -Borries > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Borries Demeler > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:30 PM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question > > > > > As I understand your answers - due to the coolness factors and the ability > > to have profiles follow users from machine to machine, the thin > > client/server approach is what you are recommending... correct?? As a > > relative newbie, any references you can point me to that can explain to me > > how to do it (in simple, (small words, short sentences and pictures > > preferably :-)). I am especially interested in what files and directories > go > > on the client side and server side...and what is a good basic, i.e. > starter > > configuration for both client and server. > > > > TIA > > > > R > > Here is a basic setup: > > 1. On the server side, put everything you want your users to be able to > access, > X11, KDE, Gnome, office software, browsers, web servers, etc... > > 2. Start gdm, xdm or kdm on the server. (Running the init level that starts > up > X11 on the server should be good enough, I think it is 4 for Slackware > and 5 for > RedHat) > > 3. On the dumb terminal side *all* you need is a barebone Linux installation > > that can run X11 (even a 386 will do!), but no window managers, KDE, > Gnome, > xapps, etc. need to be installed. Nothing else needs to be installed. The > > kernel should support TCP networking. > > 4. To connect, type on the terminal side: > > X -query myserver > > > That's all there is to it! If you have two boxes running Linux right now you > can > give it a try right now. If you have a 100baseT network or better the > interface > will be really snappy. > > -Borries > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Oct 1 18:52:44 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Oct 1 17:36:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410012252.i91Mqie8015330@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > > >Also invest in a DAT changer or a seperate (need not > >be RAID) system to synchronize your files to. > > > > I think you missed a couple of things. First, this is all within my house > with the potential for growth into a commercial site with multiple users and > more security issues. I would love to have the money and expertise to > establish a hot-swappable server set-up with DAT backup, but I really can't > afford a rack mountable server set-up with an expensive tape back-up system. etc... If you want to do a reliable backup on the cheap, do the following: find an old box (a P-1 200MHZ will do), throw in some old disks and configure them as RAID-0 (or even RAID-5) using software RAID, and then connect it to the backup and rsync as often as needed. This can be done for next to nothing with old equipment and is a lot better than nothing at all, and also a lot quicker than a DAT drive. Linux setup is really simple, mail me off list if you need help with this. -Borries From solinym at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 19:05:54 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Fri Oct 1 19:49:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Defense IT security cant rest on COTS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041002010554.44909.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, someone to blame is a real feature too -- and this isn't limited to the military, companies do plenty of finger-pointing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From solinym at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 20:15:12 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Fri Oct 1 20:58:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] ssh-agent In-Reply-To: <20040930201347.GJ23857@syn.bamm.net> Message-ID: <20041002021512.24962.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> > > # ssh-agent You're supposed to run: ssh-agent $SHELL that starts a new shell, and you run ssh-add from within that, and then ssh will work without prompting. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Oct 2 03:48:33 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Oct 2 02:32:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] PVR + WiFi = Your own cable company Message-ID: <200410020247.25068.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Wow.. This is great.. and illustrates how digital and open systems are tearing the "ownership" of content: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040930.html This guy's using his own dishes to gather content and is basically running his own "cable" via WiFi to his neighbors (via MythTV).. You thought Pirate RADIO was going to cause a stir? Just wait until the content police start trying to kill off THIS concept! Tweeks p.s. Looks like I'm going to be doing a MythTV PVR project for the new book LinuxToys2... If anyone here is running Myth.. gimme a holler off line.. I wanted to compare hardware selection notes. From solinym at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 02:43:15 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Sat Oct 2 03:26:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <4154519d041001145549e0e937@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041002084315.41618.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> > Then there's an application server as people > normally think of it -- a > computer which provides programs for clients to run. You mean like a file server? Is an application server a file server that only hosts executables? Or - and I am inferring this from another email - do you mean a server used to run applications that display remotely on clients such as X terminals? _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From solinym at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 03:30:50 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Sat Oct 2 04:14:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041002093050.23010.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> > I would love to have the money > and expertise to > establish a hot-swappable server set-up with DAT > backup, but I really can't > afford a rack mountable server set-up with an > expensive tape back-up system. I don't think it needs to be rack-mount (overpriced). I was thinking of a regular commodity case. The drives could be something like SCA, or whatever is the modern/cost-effective equivalent (SATA?). Maybe you can even do it with commodity drives (EIDE) and some kind of backplane, I'm not really sure, which is why I asked for info if you're researching it. I got an 8-tape DAT changer for like $300. A bit pricey, I'll admit, but it's a one-time cost. My current filestore involves two WD 8MB 120GB EIDE drives on two seperate hosts with nightly rsync mirroring. My Pentium-class servers were given to me as junk, but I bet you could find some complete systems that are perfectly up to the task for about $5 each. > Either way, that still leaves teh question of "how" > to set things up short > of hiring someone else to do it (another recurring > expense). Here's what I'm doing: 1) Buy a WD 120GB 8MB HDD off ebay for $80. 2) Plug it as the second drive into a computer already running Linux ("main host"). Format it, mount it. 3) Repeat steps 1 and 2 for a "backup host". 4) Network the two hosts. 5) Write a cron job to rsync between the two file systems every night. 6) Configure main host to export drives via NFS. 7) Network any client hosts with the servers. 8) Configure Linux client hosts to mount drives via NFS from the main host. Now you have your data resistant to drive failure (main drive loss means up to 24 hours of transactions lost, backup drive failure means no loss), and you have resistance to accidental deletion (as long as you catch it before the next rsync). For a setup with HW RAID I imagine it's similar except that the main host has some kind of hardware drive array and involves more disks (min 3 for RAID 5, 2 otherwise). There is software RAID if you don't need hot-pluggability, but last time I worked with it the fsck took a long time (I think it rebuilt the parity info every time it booted). Either way, it buys you resistance to drive failures in the main host (which, if you'll recall, could result in 24 hrs lost data). Throw a tape drive in and you can recover from accidental deletions much longer after the fact. But pulling from tape is a hassle so it's nice to have that backup server with yesterday's data online in secondary storage. There's a good O'Reilly book on Unix Backup and Recovery. For redundancy against environmental disasters (house fire, acts of godzilla), keep the backup server at a friend's place (rsync over ssh). Or set up a mutual backup arrangement where you each back each other's data up. > If you are > really interested in exploring how to setup a setup > such as you describe and > have deep pockets, I would be happy to point you to > several consultants that > would be happy to take your money and set it up for > you as well as set up a > mainenance program. I have a brain and I'm not afraid to use it. Why would I need a consultant? > both things I can't afford > right now and besides, I > want to understand how the whole thing works. You have to pin down what you're trying to do before you can learn how to do it. I was trying to help you in that regard with some suggestions. You seem dismissive and ungrateful. If you want instructions that a trilobyte can follow, you'll have to ask someone else because this email has exhausted my interest in helping you. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Oct 2 08:13:21 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Oct 2 06:57:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <20041002093050.23010.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200410021213.i92CDLRQ012498@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Great suggestions, I concur with your approach. I like the idea of doing cross-backups with friends. If you do the rsync often enough the duration of net traffic can be kept to a short time for each backup, including using the --no-whole-file switch. I should mentioned that you can get excellent prices from www.pricewatch.com. 120gb EIDE's start at $66. If you run RAID-5 on both the server and the backup system you really got quadruple safeguard against drive failure, since RAID-5 allows you to lose one drive on either array and still be able to recover the data. -Borries From solinym at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 06:37:16 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Sat Oct 2 07:20:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HDDs, RAID and redundancy In-Reply-To: <200410021213.i92CDLRQ012498@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <20041002123716.75307.qmail@web53908.mail.yahoo.com> > I should mentioned that you can get excellent prices > from > www.pricewatch.com. 120gb EIDE's start at $66. Yeah, but that's for a 2MB cache. The WD 8MB's had a big rebate at circuit city or something and so there's a ton of them on Ebay. Normally they'd be much more expensive, so I think it's a good deal. Subjectively, the cache seems to make a significant difference. I did a "chmod -R" and it returned so fast I assumed I had forgotten the -R switch. I don't know why 8MB of cache on the HDD would benefit you so much when you have plenty of main memory, but it does. Does it do write caching on DRAM on the drive? I hope not, but that would be consistent with the performance increase (that'd be like using async writes). >If > you run > RAID-5 on both the server and the backup system The way I see it the backup system is there to allow you to recover from an accidental modification, so adding RAID there doesn't help unless you have both a drive failure and an accidental modification (two failures, basically). Or three disk failures (two in main, one in backup). Whether this makes sense for you or not depends on the probabilities of failures, the value of your data modifications, and the incremental cost of adding RAID to the backup system. However, it would make a nice symmetry in that your system could function as a main (for your data) and a backup (for your friend's data), and vice-versa, meaning only one machine per person. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sat Oct 2 09:32:58 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Sat Oct 2 08:16:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question - Response to Travis In-Reply-To: <20041002093050.23010.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c4a884$548db8e0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Travis, I apologize for appearing dismissive. I unintentionally let my frustration get out of hand. I truly do appreciate your assistance and suggestions I do think that the separate box/backup system is a very workable approach and even have two ~800mhz systems with hardware raid built into the MB set aside with intentions of doing as you suggest. My personal experience with DAT was less than good and extremely expensive. For a non-it client of mine, my previous company ended up spending untold manhours and well over $15K in hardware just to get a automated DAT system in place and working..that is what I thought you were recommending - my mistake in understanding and hoping you understand that my comprehension of the implementation of your suggestion is well out of my price range and skill level at this point. I was trying to understand the advantages/disadvantages of having full Linux installs on each machine vs client/server which after much reading and researching, have not been able to find a definitive answer and if one was more advantageous, what is the best approach to implementing such a system. I fully concur that backups are critical, which is one of the main reasons why I started down the server/client path to begin with. Once again, I hope you accept my apology and I do understand how my answer resulted in your response. I think a big part of my problem is that I am new enough that I am still trying to figure out how to ask the right questions in the right format to get the answer I need. I base this on the fact that after researching what appears to be a simple question, coming up blank or worse, more confused after reading man pages, TLDP, HOWTOs, books, etc. Roy BTW - I am enrolled in the UNIX classes at SAC too...I am working to learn as much as possible in as I can, so I hope you don't give up on me totally. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Travis Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:31 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question > I would love to have the money > and expertise to > establish a hot-swappable server set-up with DAT > backup, but I really can't > afford a rack mountable server set-up with an > expensive tape back-up system. I don't think it needs to be rack-mount (overpriced). I was thinking of a regular commodity case. The drives could be something like SCA, or whatever is the modern/cost-effective equivalent (SATA?). Maybe you can even do it with commodity drives (EIDE) and some kind of backplane, I'm not really sure, which is why I asked for info if you're researching it. I got an 8-tape DAT changer for like $300. A bit pricey, I'll admit, but it's a one-time cost. My current filestore involves two WD 8MB 120GB EIDE drives on two seperate hosts with nightly rsync mirroring. My Pentium-class servers were given to me as junk, but I bet you could find some complete systems that are perfectly up to the task for about $5 each. > Either way, that still leaves teh question of "how" > to set things up short > of hiring someone else to do it (another recurring > expense). Here's what I'm doing: 1) Buy a WD 120GB 8MB HDD off ebay for $80. 2) Plug it as the second drive into a computer already running Linux ("main host"). Format it, mount it. 3) Repeat steps 1 and 2 for a "backup host". 4) Network the two hosts. 5) Write a cron job to rsync between the two file systems every night. 6) Configure main host to export drives via NFS. 7) Network any client hosts with the servers. 8) Configure Linux client hosts to mount drives via NFS from the main host. Now you have your data resistant to drive failure (main drive loss means up to 24 hours of transactions lost, backup drive failure means no loss), and you have resistance to accidental deletion (as long as you catch it before the next rsync). For a setup with HW RAID I imagine it's similar except that the main host has some kind of hardware drive array and involves more disks (min 3 for RAID 5, 2 otherwise). There is software RAID if you don't need hot-pluggability, but last time I worked with it the fsck took a long time (I think it rebuilt the parity info every time it booted). Either way, it buys you resistance to drive failures in the main host (which, if you'll recall, could result in 24 hrs lost data). Throw a tape drive in and you can recover from accidental deletions much longer after the fact. But pulling from tape is a hassle so it's nice to have that backup server with yesterday's data online in secondary storage. There's a good O'Reilly book on Unix Backup and Recovery. For redundancy against environmental disasters (house fire, acts of godzilla), keep the backup server at a friend's place (rsync over ssh). Or set up a mutual backup arrangement where you each back each other's data up. > If you are > really interested in exploring how to setup a setup > such as you describe and > have deep pockets, I would be happy to point you to > several consultants that > would be happy to take your money and set it up for > you as well as set up a > mainenance program. I have a brain and I'm not afraid to use it. Why would I need a consultant? > both things I can't afford > right now and besides, I > want to understand how the whole thing works. You have to pin down what you're trying to do before you can learn how to do it. I was trying to help you in that regard with some suggestions. You seem dismissive and ungrateful. If you want instructions that a trilobyte can follow, you'll have to ask someone else because this email has exhausted my interest in helping you. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Oct 2 11:54:54 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Oct 2 10:38:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HDDs, RAID and redundancy In-Reply-To: <20041002123716.75307.qmail@web53908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200410021554.i92Fss0Z021782@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Yeah, but that's for a 2MB cache. The WD 8MB's had a > big rebate at circuit city or something and so there's > a ton of them on Ebay. Normally they'd be much more > expensive, so I think it's a good deal. Got it! > The way I see it the backup system is there to allow > you to recover from an accidental modification, so > adding RAID there doesn't help unless you have both a > drive failure and an accidental modification (two > failures, basically). Or three disk failures (two in > main, one in backup). Whether this makes sense for > you or not depends on the probabilities of failures, > the value of your data modifications, and the > incremental cost of adding RAID to the backup system. Personally, I think RAID-0 on both systems is going to be good enough for most applications. You get the speed and space benefits, and chances that you blow a drive simultaneously on both the main and the backup server are pretty slim. This is also the most affordable solution. -Borries From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Oct 2 12:16:15 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Oct 2 10:59:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question - Response to In-Reply-To: <001101c4a884$548db8e0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <200410021616.i92GGFkG022654@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > I was trying to understand the advantages/disadvantages of having full Linux > installs on each machine vs client/server which after much reading and > researching, have not been able to find a definitive answer and if one was > more advantageous, what is the best approach to implementing such a system. Roy, I think the question you are posing is an important one and so far I haven't seen it satisfactorily answered on this list, so let me take a shot at it: To decide if you should choose an application server (for lack of a better term) and a bunch of clients, or a bunch of standalone computers each running linux, and perhaps networked, depends on a lot of factors. Here are some that I would consider: 1. what kind of hardware do you have: If you have one powerful machine and the rest are older hardware that you can't/ don't want to upgrade, chances are the client/server scenario is what you want. You don't even need harddrives in the clients, a CDROM is all you need. You could make a bootable CDROM that runs Linux like Knoppix and turns each box into an X client. Another advantage of this solution is that there is absolutely zero maintenance on the client side. On occasion you may want to hand out updated CDROMs if you have a chance in configuration for the clients. 2. What kind of applications will the clients run on the server: The more clients you have connecting, the more capable your server should be as well, depending on what software will be running there. If every client will run a CPU-hungry application, you will soon run out of cpu cycles and bog down the machine. In that case you will need more memory and possibly a dual or quad processor (probably not a bad idea anyway for a server, given the low price). If on the other hand the users will just run web clients, database clients, StarOffice etc. you don't have to worry, it will take a lot of clients (possibly several hundred) before you run out of horsepower. 3. What network you have: if the main pipe going into the server is 10baseT, you will have unhappy customers. 100baseT will be better, but you should consider single or dual channel gigabit for the server, and 100 baseT for the clients to get good response times. 4. Disk I/O: If the clients will run serious disk I/O apps, the machine may start thrashing unless you have a good SCSI hardware RAID system on the server, and the clients may be better off running locally. 5. shared data: If there is lots of transfer of shared data over nfs between standalones and the file server, or other network intensive apps like streaming video you want to reconsider forcing the display interface over the net as well, because it will get bogged down and may be better off run locally. 6. maintenance: Having to only maintain one machine is a very attractive argument for the client server approach. 7. network stability: In order for the client server system to work, you ABSOLUTELY NEED A STABLE NETWORK. If a network goes down, so does the client! If you have a standalone box, people can at least continue to work on the apps that are installed locally. With most small business networks this is not an issue. Routers are so cheap you can have afford to have a backup router on hand, and people will be back in business in minutes. You can even set up redundant/loadbalanced routing if it is that critical. I hope this illuminates some of the pros and cons you should consider. I have been running such a system here at the health science center with excellent results since 1996. We had a lot of old boxes that could be put to good use by doing this. -Borries From mester at satx.rr.com Sat Oct 2 14:47:51 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Sat Oct 2 13:31:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any thoughts on Proftpd? Message-ID: <1096742869.3688.7.camel@debian1> Just wondering if anyone had any good or bad thoughts about using Proftpd? I use a simple FTP server at home to store drivers, utilities, and other files that I use in my side job. The box sits on my LAN behind my SOHO router. Originally it was an NT box (I know, I originally set it as a learning project back when I was enrolled at SAC), but now I want to migrate the FTP server to an alternate box. It has an AMD K6-233Mhz chip with 96M of RAM. I'm running Debian Woody on it. I'll be the only one using the box, so I'm not worried about it being overwhelmed with numerous requests. :-) TIA for any feedback you folks can provide. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 15:05:10 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Oct 2 13:48:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277020fc041002120536c7e940@mail.gmail.com> > The longer term goal is to have the system grow to support a small office > using Linux applications exclusively. If you are interested to learn more about the practical application of such a system, you are welcome to visit our office on West Blanco Road. We have an LTSP network supporting our entire sales staff, who almost exclusively use open source software to get their daily job done. The only exception I'm aware of is the Adobe Acrobat Reader for PDF files which we found to be more stable than gpdf, ggv, or xpdf. We will be giving a presentation at the next SATLUG meeting, Thursday October 14th on this very topic. Last night our PHP wizard Chad and I stayed up late replacing every workstation in the network with identical Compaq Deskpro units we picked up at retrobox.com for $35 each, $60 shipped. Within a space of a few hours we were able to standardize the hardware platform for our entire sales network, at a cost of only $60 per workstation (monitors were already there). Now all of our client workstations are configured exactly the same, and all of them have working sound via the ltsp-sound packages which forwards a sound server to each individual workstation. Hence I can be listening to NPR online, while you are using your speakers to hear something else. Each workstation has it's own independent sound server, which is a pretty cool feature. Support has recently been added in the latest 4.1 version of LTSP that allows for mounting of local CD-rom or floppy, and configuring of local USB devices such as a USB memory stick or other peripheral. We exclusively use HP printers for our network, with the exception of the Sharp super-mega-copier/fax/scanner beastie that was purchased to support the sales staff. Both the HP and Sharp printers were easy to configure using the printconf-gui tool that comes with Fedora Core 2 (I believe it's a frontend to foomatic). As long as you have a Jetdirect print server for each HP printer - they are a snap to set up on your linux network. Here is a short example of something that LTSP has helped save me a ton of time - adding printers. With LTSP, I just add the printer as root, then it is available instantly to all the users on the network. No going from one machine to the next (ugh) installing windows drivers. And each of my end-users can also set their own default printer. So the sales reps who are in the back of the building use one printer, and the ones in the front use the other printer. This helps reduce congestion when there are several jobs waiting in the print queue. The question might be raised - why use LTSP instead of installing a local OS and using Samba or NFS to share out files? LTSP is sometimes better because you don't need a hard drive to boot your system onto the network. Some newer bioses even have built-in support to boot this way - so you can get by without even a boot floppy. Hence your workstations are all interchangable and easy to troubleshoot. If one breaks, you just pull it out and replace it with a spare that you already have ready to go. Try doing that with a Windows workstation running local apps. Some other obvious benefits - backing up files is much easier, you have only ONE computer to manage and not dozens, it's virtually virus-proof because almost all email viruses target windows vulnerabilities. The downside - all your files are on one computer so there is one point of failure for everyone on the network. Stability is key, you can't be messing with config files and trying new packages while your end-users are logged on and doing their work. Another problem with a pure LTSP network is that you can't run accounting applications like Quickbooks. Our company relies heavily on the features of Quickbooks to manage the financial end of our business, and honestly speaking there is no Linux equivalent that even comes close to matching the feature set. Same goes for Adobe Photoshop - GIMP is ok, but it's, well, you know. A bit gimpy. All the professional graphic designers I have met use Photoshop and Illustrator. So we have to keep some windoze boxen around for running those OS-specific applications. Much as I would love to put them all on the LTSP network, it's just not practical at this time. From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sat Oct 2 15:04:59 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Sat Oct 2 13:49:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question - Responseto In-Reply-To: <200410021616.i92GGFkG022654@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <002401c4a8b2$b6cdc440$6401a8c0@hplaptop> THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU This is exactly what I was trying to understand - maybe I just didn't ask the question right. I understand that there are trade offs anytime you make choices such as thee, but understanding what the trade offs are, is critical to good decision making. I didn't think I would have been the only one who has ever gone through this "if, then else" decision making process, but I have not been able to find such information on any of the places/books I have looked. If I can run up to a 100 users/clients running primarily web/mail/office-type applications with no real CPU intensive operations in the mix on a 100BaseT network, it sounds like the thin client/heavy server (with good back up) is the way to go. That would allow me to upgrade the server as necessary without having to replace every machine every time MS comes out with a new OS. Thanks for sticking with me and helping me understand the issue that appears relatively simple but getting an answer so perplexing. Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Borries Demeler Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:16 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question - Responseto > I was trying to understand the advantages/disadvantages of having full Linux > installs on each machine vs client/server which after much reading and > researching, have not been able to find a definitive answer and if one was > more advantageous, what is the best approach to implementing such a system. Roy, I think the question you are posing is an important one and so far I haven't seen it satisfactorily answered on this list, so let me take a shot at it: To decide if you should choose an application server (for lack of a better term) and a bunch of clients, or a bunch of standalone computers each running linux, and perhaps networked, depends on a lot of factors. Here are some that I would consider: 1. what kind of hardware do you have: If you have one powerful machine and the rest are older hardware that you can't/ don't want to upgrade, chances are the client/server scenario is what you want. You don't even need harddrives in the clients, a CDROM is all you need. You could make a bootable CDROM that runs Linux like Knoppix and turns each box into an X client. Another advantage of this solution is that there is absolutely zero maintenance on the client side. On occasion you may want to hand out updated CDROMs if you have a chance in configuration for the clients. 2. What kind of applications will the clients run on the server: The more clients you have connecting, the more capable your server should be as well, depending on what software will be running there. If every client will run a CPU-hungry application, you will soon run out of cpu cycles and bog down the machine. In that case you will need more memory and possibly a dual or quad processor (probably not a bad idea anyway for a server, given the low price). If on the other hand the users will just run web clients, database clients, StarOffice etc. you don't have to worry, it will take a lot of clients (possibly several hundred) before you run out of horsepower. 3. What network you have: if the main pipe going into the server is 10baseT, you will have unhappy customers. 100baseT will be better, but you should consider single or dual channel gigabit for the server, and 100 baseT for the clients to get good response times. 4. Disk I/O: If the clients will run serious disk I/O apps, the machine may start thrashing unless you have a good SCSI hardware RAID system on the server, and the clients may be better off running locally. 5. shared data: If there is lots of transfer of shared data over nfs between standalones and the file server, or other network intensive apps like streaming video you want to reconsider forcing the display interface over the net as well, because it will get bogged down and may be better off run locally. 6. maintenance: Having to only maintain one machine is a very attractive argument for the client server approach. 7. network stability: In order for the client server system to work, you ABSOLUTELY NEED A STABLE NETWORK. If a network goes down, so does the client! If you have a standalone box, people can at least continue to work on the apps that are installed locally. With most small business networks this is not an issue. Routers are so cheap you can have afford to have a backup router on hand, and people will be back in business in minutes. You can even set up redundant/loadbalanced routing if it is that critical. I hope this illuminates some of the pros and cons you should consider. I have been running such a system here at the health science center with excellent results since 1996. We had a lot of old boxes that could be put to good use by doing this. -Borries _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sat Oct 2 15:56:08 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Sat Oct 2 14:40:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question In-Reply-To: <277020fc041002120536c7e940@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c4a8b9$dba2eb40$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Sean, I'd be very interested in stopping by and seeing such a beast in action. I am just down the road on Blanco near Churchill HS.IIRC West Blanco is up near the Pizza Hut just south of 1604 - right?? Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Sean Carolan Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 2:05 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Establishing a new network - Basic Question > The longer term goal is to have the system grow to support a small office > using Linux applications exclusively. If you are interested to learn more about the practical application of such a system, you are welcome to visit our office on West Blanco Road. We have an LTSP network supporting our entire sales staff, who almost exclusively use open source software to get their daily job done. The only exception I'm aware of is the Adobe Acrobat Reader for PDF files which we found to be more stable than gpdf, ggv, or xpdf. We will be giving a presentation at the next SATLUG meeting, Thursday October 14th on this very topic. Last night our PHP wizard Chad and I stayed up late replacing every workstation in the network with identical Compaq Deskpro units we picked up at retrobox.com for $35 each, $60 shipped. Within a space of a few hours we were able to standardize the hardware platform for our entire sales network, at a cost of only $60 per workstation (monitors were already there). Now all of our client workstations are configured exactly the same, and all of them have working sound via the ltsp-sound packages which forwards a sound server to each individual workstation. Hence I can be listening to NPR online, while you are using your speakers to hear something else. Each workstation has it's own independent sound server, which is a pretty cool feature. Support has recently been added in the latest 4.1 version of LTSP that allows for mounting of local CD-rom or floppy, and configuring of local USB devices such as a USB memory stick or other peripheral. We exclusively use HP printers for our network, with the exception of the Sharp super-mega-copier/fax/scanner beastie that was purchased to support the sales staff. Both the HP and Sharp printers were easy to configure using the printconf-gui tool that comes with Fedora Core 2 (I believe it's a frontend to foomatic). As long as you have a Jetdirect print server for each HP printer - they are a snap to set up on your linux network. Here is a short example of something that LTSP has helped save me a ton of time - adding printers. With LTSP, I just add the printer as root, then it is available instantly to all the users on the network. No going from one machine to the next (ugh) installing windows drivers. And each of my end-users can also set their own default printer. So the sales reps who are in the back of the building use one printer, and the ones in the front use the other printer. This helps reduce congestion when there are several jobs waiting in the print queue. The question might be raised - why use LTSP instead of installing a local OS and using Samba or NFS to share out files? LTSP is sometimes better because you don't need a hard drive to boot your system onto the network. Some newer bioses even have built-in support to boot this way - so you can get by without even a boot floppy. Hence your workstations are all interchangable and easy to troubleshoot. If one breaks, you just pull it out and replace it with a spare that you already have ready to go. Try doing that with a Windows workstation running local apps. Some other obvious benefits - backing up files is much easier, you have only ONE computer to manage and not dozens, it's virtually virus-proof because almost all email viruses target windows vulnerabilities. The downside - all your files are on one computer so there is one point of failure for everyone on the network. Stability is key, you can't be messing with config files and trying new packages while your end-users are logged on and doing their work. Another problem with a pure LTSP network is that you can't run accounting applications like Quickbooks. Our company relies heavily on the features of Quickbooks to manage the financial end of our business, and honestly speaking there is no Linux equivalent that even comes close to matching the feature set. Same goes for Adobe Photoshop - GIMP is ok, but it's, well, you know. A bit gimpy. All the professional graphic designers I have met use Photoshop and Illustrator. So we have to keep some windoze boxen around for running those OS-specific applications. Much as I would love to put them all on the LTSP network, it's just not practical at this time. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 16:25:56 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Oct 2 15:09:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any thoughts on Proftpd? In-Reply-To: <1096742869.3688.7.camel@debian1> References: <1096742869.3688.7.camel@debian1> Message-ID: <79ec289f0410021325158b492d@mail.gmail.com> Nope, no problems here using ProFTPd on a FTP server at work. I like the customizability of what I can do with it. A few cool things are bandwidth throttling and classes. Classes let you add rulesets based on IPs or a domain. On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:47:51 -0500, Mike Ester wrote: > Just wondering if anyone had any good or bad thoughts about using > Proftpd? I use a simple FTP server at home to store drivers, utilities, > and other files that I use in my side job. > > The box sits on my LAN behind my SOHO router. Originally it was an NT > box (I know, I originally set it as a learning project back when I was > enrolled at SAC), but now I want to migrate the FTP server to an > alternate box. > > It has an AMD K6-233Mhz chip with 96M of RAM. I'm running Debian Woody > on it. I'll be the only one using the box, so I'm not worried about it > being overwhelmed with numerous requests. :-) > > TIA for any feedback you folks can provide. > -- > Mike Ester > 830-822-2241 > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 18:50:33 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Oct 2 17:34:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Parse Error Message-ID: <277020fc04100215503cfe4c14@mail.gmail.com> Just today, I started getting this error immediately after logging into our server at work: Parse Error, Line 37 that's all it says - any ideas what this is about? From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 19:32:31 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Oct 2 18:16:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Parse Error In-Reply-To: <277020fc04100215503cfe4c14@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc04100215503cfe4c14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0410021632389378e3@mail.gmail.com> If its after logging in, check your users login scripts. Did you add something recently? Also, the login system parses all files in /etc/profile.d. So check those as well. On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:50:33 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > Just today, I started getting this error immediately after logging > into our server at work: > > Parse Error, Line 37 > > that's all it says - any ideas what this is about? > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From tokiko at tokiko.net Sat Oct 2 21:04:16 2004 From: tokiko at tokiko.net (tokiko@tokiko.net) Date: Sat Oct 2 19:48:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any thoughts on Proftpd? In-Reply-To: <1096742869.3688.7.camel@debian1> References: <1096742869.3688.7.camel@debian1> Message-ID: <415F5010.7070801@tokiko.net> > Just wondering if anyone had any good or bad thoughts about using > Proftpd? proftpd is my current favorite. however, i've heard wonderful things about vsftpd. i think kernel.org moved from proftpd to vsftpd not too long ago, and so it might be wise to look at that ftpd as well. From edcoates at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 23:52:37 2004 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sat Oct 2 22:36:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL Query problem Message-ID: <8ee65edd0410022052492a8e49@mail.gmail.com> I've got a we page that has three simple forms on it. One to enter a first name, one to enter a last name, and one to enter a CCB name. (work related). I want to be able to enter any of the information, or none of it, and have it query the database and display the appropriate information. I have my cgi script get params from the forms page, and information is being passed with no problem. However, when the query is run, if the first name is left blank, the results return all record that don't have a first name entered into the table also. This isn't what I'm hoping to accomplish. I'm hoping that if you enter only a last name, then any record with that last name be returned. Here's the query: $sql = qq {select ccb_name,first_name,last_name,phone,email }; $sql .= qq {from ccb }; $sql .= qq {where last_name like "$last_name" or first_name like "$first_name" }; $sql .= qq {or ccb_name like "$ccb_name" order by first_name,ccb_name}; I'm guess that it's something to do with the like statement, but is there another way around it? Ed From mester at satx.rr.com Sun Oct 3 00:17:33 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Sat Oct 2 23:01:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any thoughts on Proftpd? In-Reply-To: <415F5010.7070801@tokiko.net> References: <1096742869.3688.7.camel@debian1> <415F5010.7070801@tokiko.net> Message-ID: <1096777053.3294.9.camel@debian1> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 20:04, tokiko@tokiko.net wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone had any good or bad thoughts about using > > Proftpd? > > proftpd is my current favorite. > > however, i've heard wonderful things about vsftpd. i think kernel.org > moved from proftpd to vsftpd not too long ago, and so it might be wise > to look at that ftpd as well. > _______________________________________________ I decided to apt-get vsftpd. Since I didn't need any fancy custom config, vsftpd seems to fit the bill. The default config is almost paranoid, but it serves my needs OK. It took a few minutes of reading (I never set up a real FTP server before, only MS), but it is now up and running. It took a few more minutes for me to remember that to make the FTP files world-readable, I had to add the -R switch. Dohhhh!!!! No wonder I couldn't go any further down from the FTP root level!!!!!!!!!!!! :-p Anyway, thanx for the input, folks. I have now set up my first real FTP server. Now it is time to whack NT from the old box and turn it into something substantial. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org From mikeaw at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 00:26:01 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Sat Oct 2 23:09:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL Query problem In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0410022052492a8e49@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0410022052492a8e49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d041002212671020a48@mail.gmail.com> Create the query you use on the fly. You can check the user input yourself and only add the where clauses you want. Here's some pseudo-code. create basic query // select and from clauses only if no fields were supplied { run query } else { append "where" to query if field1 was supplied { append field1 clause } if field2 was supplied { append field2 clause } ... ... run query } If no input was supplied run the query without any where clause. If at least one input was supplied, add a where claused. For each input, add the specific part of the where clauses that applies to that input. Finally, run the query. The only trick is to make sure that you get your commas right between the clauses. -Mike On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:52:37 -0500, Ed Coates wrote: > I've got a we page that has three simple forms on it. One to enter a > first name, one to enter a last name, and one to enter a CCB name. > (work related). I want to be able to enter any of the information, or > none of it, and have it query the database and display the appropriate > information. > > I have my cgi script get params from the forms page, and information > is being passed with no problem. However, when the query is run, if > the first name is left blank, the results return all record that don't > have a first name entered into the table also. This isn't what I'm > hoping to accomplish. I'm hoping that if you enter only a last name, > then any record with that last name be returned. Here's the query: > > $sql = qq {select ccb_name,first_name,last_name,phone,email }; > $sql .= qq {from ccb }; > $sql .= qq {where last_name like "$last_name" or first_name like > "$first_name" }; > $sql .= qq {or ccb_name like "$ccb_name" order by first_name,ccb_name}; > > I'm guess that it's something to do with the like statement, but is > there another way around it? > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 00:29:05 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Oct 2 23:12:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any thoughts on Proftpd? In-Reply-To: <1096777053.3294.9.camel@debian1> References: <1096742869.3688.7.camel@debian1> <415F5010.7070801@tokiko.net> <1096777053.3294.9.camel@debian1> Message-ID: <79ec289f04100221292d7e4b0f@mail.gmail.com> As for the NT box, how about fdisking it and install something better? :) heehe.... On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:17:33 -0500, Mike Ester wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 20:04, tokiko@tokiko.net wrote: > > > Just wondering if anyone had any good or bad thoughts about using > > > Proftpd? > > > > proftpd is my current favorite. > > > > however, i've heard wonderful things about vsftpd. i think kernel.org > > moved from proftpd to vsftpd not too long ago, and so it might be wise > > to look at that ftpd as well. > > _______________________________________________ > > I decided to apt-get vsftpd. Since I didn't need any fancy custom > config, vsftpd seems to fit the bill. The default config is almost > paranoid, but it serves my needs OK. > > It took a few minutes of reading (I never set up a real FTP server > before, only MS), but it is now up and running. It took a few more > minutes for me to remember that to make the FTP files world-readable, I > had to add the -R switch. Dohhhh!!!! No wonder I couldn't go any further > down from the FTP root level!!!!!!!!!!!! :-p > > Anyway, thanx for the input, folks. I have now set up my first real FTP > server. Now it is time to whack NT from the old box and turn it into > something substantial. > > > -- > Mike Ester > 830-822-2241 > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From mester at satx.rr.com Sun Oct 3 00:42:03 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Sat Oct 2 23:25:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any thoughts on Proftpd? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04100221292d7e4b0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1096742869.3688.7.camel@debian1> <415F5010.7070801@tokiko.net> <1096777053.3294.9.camel@debian1> <79ec289f04100221292d7e4b0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096778522.3408.2.camel@debian1> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 23:29, Jeremy Mann wrote: > As for the NT box, how about fdisking it and install something better? > :) heehe.... Can you say, "Hello, Debian Woody."? :-) -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sun Oct 3 00:57:20 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Oct 2 23:40:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Recommended File Sharing Program Message-ID: <1096779440.30744.12.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Hey All - I use WinMX on Windows and I am looking for a good p2p file sharing program for Linux (FC2). I did some Google searches and gtk-gnutella comes up a lot. What do y'all use and why? Thanks! Thomas From masterr at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 01:22:55 2004 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Sun Oct 3 00:06:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Recommended File Sharing Program In-Reply-To: <1096779440.30744.12.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1096779440.30744.12.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <14842c4104100222222a8e48b1@mail.gmail.com> I heard that Emule is pretty good, and I think there is a linux client. Plus I know there are linux clients for other networks. I suggest going to sourceforge.net and doing a search for p2p. I'm sure a few will come up with linux clients. On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:57:20 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: > Hey All - > > I use WinMX on Windows and I am looking for a good p2p file sharing > program for Linux (FC2). I did some Google searches and gtk-gnutella > comes up a lot. > > What do y'all use and why? > > Thanks! > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jon/MasteR masterr@gmail.com i am a n00b From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sun Oct 3 08:11:24 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Sun Oct 3 06:55:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Recommended File Sharing Program In-Reply-To: <1096779440.30744.12.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <002f01c4a942$19f99820$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Thomas, I have tried a couple of different gnutella programs and it seems gnutella is aimed at the community sharing programs and music primarily ala Napster. There are a lot of gnutella clients out there and it seems that bittorrent is overtaking gnutella. Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Cameron Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:57 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Recommended File Sharing Program Hey All - I use WinMX on Windows and I am looking for a good p2p file sharing program for Linux (FC2). I did some Google searches and gtk-gnutella comes up a lot. What do y'all use and why? Thanks! Thomas _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Oct 3 08:38:14 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Oct 3 07:21:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux clipboard Message-ID: <200410031238.i93CcEZX005145@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Is there a way to make the linux clipboard hold more than one item and then let me select the item I want when I paste? I work under KDE, in case it makes a difference. -Borries From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Sun Oct 3 09:26:47 2004 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Sun Oct 3 08:10:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux clipboard In-Reply-To: <200410031238.i93CcEZX005145@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200410031238.i93CcEZX005145@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1096810007.32013.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> If you use Klipper, which is a applet, then right clicking it gives you options on how many entries to save. Default is 7 I think and when you paste, it uses the last (first) entry to paste. Tim On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 07:38, Borries Demeler wrote: > Is there a way to make the linux clipboard hold more than > one item and then let me select the item I want when I paste? > I work under KDE, in case it makes a difference. > > -Borries > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Timothy Beck From sac_kast at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 12:53:18 2004 From: sac_kast at yahoo.com (Castor Troy) Date: Sun Oct 3 13:36:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] usb config?? In-Reply-To: <002501c4a577$76bcc330$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <20041003185318.16432.qmail@web52504.mail.yahoo.com> not connected via hub. I haven't had the opportunity to read through matt's help yet but will respond soon. Thanks for the help so far everyone!!! Thomas Cameron wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Castor Troy" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:12 AM Subject: [SATLUG] usb config?? > The computer I'm trying to install fedora core 2 on is giving me problems. > For some reason, at the "grub>" prompt, the keyboard works fine. before > that, during the installation, both keyboard and mouse worked perfectly. > after getting past the "grub>" prompt and booting linux without using the > installation cd (something I had to do for a while cause it wasn't > working), my mouse and keyboard STOP WORKING. > > After a short while of waiting, I eventually get to the linux command > prompt (sorry if that's not wha it's called). at that point, of course, > my mouse and keyboard are still not working so I'm stuck. I CAN boot > linux off the installation cd's rescue mode. from there, I can "chroot > /mnt/sysimage" to appartently get to the linux from my computer's hard > drive. > > The mouse and keyboard are connected via USB ports and there are NO ps/2 > ports to connect another keyboard or mouse. This computer only has the > ports for USB connection. > > Other notes: > 533 mhz > 80 gig hard drive > 64MB ram > attempted to install fedora and and get rid of xp to have only linux on > there > any other info you might need i'd be happy to get it for you. > > > Thanks a bunch for at least reading this! Are the KB and Mouse connected via USB hub? Try without the hub to test. TC _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! From patl at satx.rr.com Sun Oct 3 15:23:54 2004 From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan) Date: Sun Oct 3 14:06:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL Query problem In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0410022052492a8e49@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0410022052492a8e49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <416051CA.6010406@satx.rr.com> Ed Coates wrote: > I have my cgi script get params from the forms page, and information > is being passed with no problem. However, when the query is run, if > the first name is left blank, the results return all record that don't > have a first name entered into the table also. This isn't what I'm > hoping to accomplish. I'm hoping that if you enter only a last name, > then any record with that last name be returned. Here's the query: > > $sql = qq {select ccb_name,first_name,last_name,phone,email }; > $sql .= qq {from ccb }; > $sql .= qq {where last_name like "$last_name" or first_name like > "$first_name" }; > $sql .= qq {or ccb_name like "$ccb_name" order by first_name,ccb_name}; > > I'm guess that it's something to do with the like statement, but is > there another way around it? Try this: SELECT ccb_name, first_name, last_name, phone, email FROM ccb WHERE (last_name NOT REGEX '^[ ]+$' AND last_name LIKE "$last_name") OR (first_name NOT REGEX '^[ ]+$' AND first_name LIKE "$first_name") OR (ccb_name NOT REGEX '^[ ]+$' AND ccb_name LIKE "$ccb_name") ORDER BY first_name,ccb_name; HTH, Patrick From bbarenblat at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 3 17:06:39 2004 From: bbarenblat at sbcglobal.net (Benjamin Barenblat) Date: Sun Oct 3 15:49:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Macromedia Flash on Linux Message-ID: <1096837599.22456.20.camel@BenjaminLinux> Is it possible to get a free Flash player for Linux? I know about CrossOver, but that costs money. I also tried playing Flash in Xine, so if there is a way to play Flash in Xine, that would be useful to know as well. I am using Fedora Core 1, kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl on a 686. From pfrostie at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 19:26:41 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Sun Oct 3 17:09:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Macromedia Flash on Linux In-Reply-To: <1096837599.22456.20.camel@BenjaminLinux> References: <1096837599.22456.20.camel@BenjaminLinux> Message-ID: <200410031826.41956.pfrostie@yahoo.com> there is one in Debian. you can probably download it and convert it with alien. On Sun October 3 2004 11:06 pm, Benjamin Barenblat wrote: > Is it possible to get a free Flash player for Linux? I know about > CrossOver, but that costs money. I also tried playing Flash in Xine, so > if there is a way to play Flash in Xine, that would be useful to know as > well. > > I am using Fedora Core 1, kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl on a 686. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sun Oct 3 18:52:06 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sun Oct 3 17:35:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Macromedia Flash on Linux In-Reply-To: <1096837599.22456.20.camel@BenjaminLinux> References: <1096837599.22456.20.camel@BenjaminLinux> Message-ID: <1096843926.30744.29.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 16:06, Benjamin Barenblat wrote: > Is it possible to get a free Flash player for Linux? I know about > CrossOver, but that costs money. I also tried playing Flash in Xine, so > if there is a way to play Flash in Xine, that would be useful to know as > well. > > I am using Fedora Core 1, kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl on a 686. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Have you looked at this? http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape4 Thomas From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 20:41:40 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Oct 3 19:25:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] usb config?? In-Reply-To: <20041003185318.16432.qmail@web52504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002501c4a577$76bcc330$6e01a8c0@thomas> <20041003185318.16432.qmail@web52504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04100317412858469d@mail.gmail.com> Thomas, there is also an option in the BIOS that will be something like USB Emulation. This will emulate your USB keyboard as a PS2 device. Then from there, Fedora will be able to load the appropriate modules to make it work. On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:53:18 -0700 (PDT), Castor Troy wrote: > not connected via hub. > > I haven't had the opportunity to read through matt's help yet but will respond soon. Thanks for the help so far everyone!!! > > Thomas Cameron wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Castor Troy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:12 AM > Subject: [SATLUG] usb config?? > > > The computer I'm trying to install fedora core 2 on is giving me problems. > > For some reason, at the "grub>" prompt, the keyboard works fine. before > > that, during the installation, both keyboard and mouse worked perfectly. > > after getting past the "grub>" prompt and booting linux without using the > > installation cd (something I had to do for a while cause it wasn't > > working), my mouse and keyboard STOP WORKING. > > > > After a short while of waiting, I eventually get to the linux command > > prompt (sorry if that's not wha it's called). at that point, of course, > > my mouse and keyboard are still not working so I'm stuck. I CAN boot > > linux off the installation cd's rescue mode. from there, I can "chroot > > /mnt/sysimage" to appartently get to the linux from my computer's hard > > drive. > > > > The mouse and keyboard are connected via USB ports and there are NO ps/2 > > ports to connect another keyboard or mouse. This computer only has the > > ports for USB connection. > > > > Other notes: > > 533 mhz > > 80 gig hard drive > > 64MB ram > > attempted to install fedora and and get rid of xp to have only linux on > > there > > any other info you might need i'd be happy to get it for you. > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for at least reading this! > > Are the KB and Mouse connected via USB hub? Try without the hub to test. > > TC > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Mon Oct 4 00:58:47 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Sun Oct 3 23:30:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] PopTop help! Message-ID: <1096865928.30879.6.camel@zeus.matrix> I need your help once again, this time it's a bit more complex problem. I am using Poptop (linux's implementation of PPTP) for a wired-VPN over wireless. Thanks to Jeremy's enlightening presentation on the WRT54G and the pointing to Fab-corp, I was successfully able to get and maintain a wireless link for over 2/10ths of a mile using 9DB omnis at the WRT54G and a 15DB directional at the endpoint. Here's the problem. When the front gate router boots, it automatically logs in to the VPN server and establishes the connection. As soon as any other computer logs into the VPN, be it the other endpoint router or my laptop, I get a TON of the following errors: GRE: Discarding out of order packet I have searched all over Google for answers and have come down to two solutions: 1: The pptpd server can only sustain ONE person at a time (i.e. total failure of the VPN project) 2: The pptpd server's mtu/mru are set incorrectly. Reading countless HOWTOs and READMEs gets me nowhere. I have played with the MTU/MRU values setting them as low as 2 and as high as 10000 not having any idea what the ideal values are. I suspect that the wireless link is causing some latency issues however I need to know how to correct this so that the server can sustain multiple connections. Linux tie in? All the servers/routers are running Linux, even the WRT54G! Any suggestions? FIRESTORM_v1 From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Oct 4 01:16:54 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Mon Oct 4 00:00:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Ping Scan A Range of Addresses In-Reply-To: <20041001223854.5137.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041001223854.5137.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200410040016.54107.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 01 October 2004 05:38 pm, Travis wrote: > > > >> ping 192.168.1.1-255 > > ping 192.168.1.255 > > That's a subnet-directed broadcast. You're assuming a class C network.. I would use "ping -b 192.168.1.1" instead. (if nmap is frowned upon) Tweeks From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 13:58:07 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Oct 4 12:41:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Remote X with Solaris Message-ID: <4154519d04100410583a1e397@mail.gmail.com> I need to display some remote Solaris applications on my local Linux box. When I'm displaying an application from a remote Linux box I just have to do this: [local_linux] $ ssh remote_linux [remote_linux] $ xclock And viola! I see the remote xclock window. However with Solaris, I see: [local_linux] $ ssh remote_solaris [remote_solaris] $ xclock Error: Can't open display: I've tried setting the DISPLAY variable to x.x.x.x:0.0 and to local_linux.machine.name:0.0 and in both cases I don't get the display error, but nothing comes up to my screen and the process doesn't do anything. After waiting a while I finally kill the process. I have tried playing around with the xhost settings on my local Linux box, but to no avail. Ideas? -Mike From zip at liberto.org Mon Oct 4 14:08:57 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Mon Oct 4 12:52:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Recommended File Sharing Program In-Reply-To: <1096779440.30744.12.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1096779440.30744.12.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <416191B9.7060907@liberto.org> just use limewire Thomas Cameron wrote: >Hey All - > >I use WinMX on Windows and I am looking for a good p2p file sharing >program for Linux (FC2). I did some Google searches and gtk-gnutella >comes up a lot. > >What do y'all use and why? > >Thanks! >Thomas > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 15:03:18 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Oct 4 13:47:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Remote X with Solaris In-Reply-To: <4154519d04100410583a1e397@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d04100410583a1e397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0410041203708297d2@mail.gmail.com> Try forwarding the X directly through ssh. Add this: ssh -X remote_solaris On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:58:07 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > I need to display some remote Solaris applications on my local Linux > box. When I'm displaying an application from a remote Linux box I > just have to do this: > > [local_linux] $ ssh remote_linux > [remote_linux] $ xclock > > And viola! I see the remote xclock window. However with Solaris, I see: > > [local_linux] $ ssh remote_solaris > [remote_solaris] $ xclock > Error: Can't open display: > > I've tried setting the DISPLAY variable to x.x.x.x:0.0 and to > local_linux.machine.name:0.0 and in both cases I don't get the display > error, but nothing comes up to my screen and the process doesn't do > anything. After waiting a while I finally kill the process. I have > tried playing around with the xhost settings on my local Linux box, > but to no avail. Ideas? > > -Mike > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 15:10:31 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Oct 4 13:54:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Remote X with Solaris In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0410041203708297d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d04100410583a1e397@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0410041203708297d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d04100412107834d761@mail.gmail.com> No dice. Cursor just sits there, blinking, completely oblivious. There's no error message. Nothing. Just waiting for something to happen... Same behavior as not using the -X flag. On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:03:18 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Try forwarding the X directly through ssh. Add this: > > ssh -X remote_solaris > > > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:58:07 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > > I need to display some remote Solaris applications on my local Linux > > box. When I'm displaying an application from a remote Linux box I > > just have to do this: > > > > [local_linux] $ ssh remote_linux > > [remote_linux] $ xclock > > > > And viola! I see the remote xclock window. However with Solaris, I see: > > > > [local_linux] $ ssh remote_solaris > > [remote_solaris] $ xclock > > Error: Can't open display: > > > > I've tried setting the DISPLAY variable to x.x.x.x:0.0 and to > > local_linux.machine.name:0.0 and in both cases I don't get the display > > error, but nothing comes up to my screen and the process doesn't do > > anything. After waiting a while I finally kill the process. I have > > tried playing around with the xhost settings on my local Linux box, > > but to no avail. Ideas? > > > > -Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > -- > Jeremy > From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 15:21:16 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Oct 4 14:05:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Remote X with Solaris In-Reply-To: <4154519d04100412107834d761@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d04100410583a1e397@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0410041203708297d2@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d04100412107834d761@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0410041221182a3a07@mail.gmail.com> Ok, try this.. On the client machine, run xhost +. Then ssh (without the -X) to the solaris machine. Then export DISPLAY=blah:0 to your client. Now see if an X program can run. On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:10:31 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > No dice. Cursor just sits there, blinking, completely oblivious. > There's no error message. Nothing. Just waiting for something to > happen... Same behavior as not using the -X flag. > > > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:03:18 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > Try forwarding the X directly through ssh. Add this: > > > > ssh -X remote_solaris > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:58:07 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > > > I need to display some remote Solaris applications on my local Linux > > > box. When I'm displaying an application from a remote Linux box I > > > just have to do this: > > > > > > [local_linux] $ ssh remote_linux > > > [remote_linux] $ xclock > > > > > > And viola! I see the remote xclock window. However with Solaris, I see: > > > > > > [local_linux] $ ssh remote_solaris > > > [remote_solaris] $ xclock > > > Error: Can't open display: > > > > > > I've tried setting the DISPLAY variable to x.x.x.x:0.0 and to > > > local_linux.machine.name:0.0 and in both cases I don't get the display > > > error, but nothing comes up to my screen and the process doesn't do > > > anything. After waiting a while I finally kill the process. I have > > > tried playing around with the xhost settings on my local Linux box, > > > but to no avail. Ideas? > > > > > > -Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > -- > > Jeremy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From zip at liberto.org Mon Oct 4 15:24:43 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Mon Oct 4 14:13:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Remote X with Solaris In-Reply-To: <4154519d04100412107834d761@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d04100410583a1e397@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0410041203708297d2@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d04100412107834d761@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4161A37B.4070306@liberto.org> Make sure you sshd config allows X forwarding. Andrew Mike Wallace wrote: >No dice. Cursor just sits there, blinking, completely oblivious. >There's no error message. Nothing. Just waiting for something to >happen... Same behavior as not using the -X flag. > > >On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:03:18 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > >>Try forwarding the X directly through ssh. Add this: >> >>ssh -X remote_solaris >> >> >> >> >>On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:58:07 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: >> >> >>>I need to display some remote Solaris applications on my local Linux >>>box. When I'm displaying an application from a remote Linux box I >>>just have to do this: >>> >>>[local_linux] $ ssh remote_linux >>>[remote_linux] $ xclock >>> >>>And viola! I see the remote xclock window. However with Solaris, I see: >>> >>>[local_linux] $ ssh remote_solaris >>>[remote_solaris] $ xclock >>>Error: Can't open display: >>> >>>I've tried setting the DISPLAY variable to x.x.x.x:0.0 and to >>>local_linux.machine.name:0.0 and in both cases I don't get the display >>>error, but nothing comes up to my screen and the process doesn't do >>>anything. After waiting a while I finally kill the process. I have >>>tried playing around with the xhost settings on my local Linux box, >>>but to no avail. Ideas? >>> >>>-Mike >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Satlug mailing list >>>Satlug@satlug.org >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Jeremy >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From tokiko at tokiko.net Mon Oct 4 15:53:23 2004 From: tokiko at tokiko.net (tokiko@tokiko.net) Date: Mon Oct 4 14:36:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] usb config?? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04100317412858469d@mail.gmail.com> References: <002501c4a577$76bcc330$6e01a8c0@thomas> <20041003185318.16432.qmail@web52504.mail.yahoo.com> <79ec289f04100317412858469d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4161AA33.5090106@tokiko.net> > there is also an option in the BIOS that will be something > like USB Emulation. because the keyboard works in grub (which does not support usb) we know that this option is already turned on. > Then from there, Fedora will be able to load the appropriate > modules to make it work. some combinations of usb support will be just enough to kill the usb emulation from the bios and not quite enough to actually use the device. i remember debian woody and debian sarge (before 2nd qrt 2004) had this problem. i had to boot off the the newer gentoo (or other distro) disk to install debian. From tokiko at tokiko.net Mon Oct 4 15:58:13 2004 From: tokiko at tokiko.net (tokiko@tokiko.net) Date: Mon Oct 4 14:41:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Recommended File Sharing Program In-Reply-To: <002f01c4a942$19f99820$6401a8c0@hplaptop> References: <002f01c4a942$19f99820$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <4161AB55.7060608@tokiko.net> > it seems that bittorrent is overtaking gnutella. it is. and azureus is very pretty bittorrent client: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 16:01:04 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Oct 4 14:44:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Remote X with Solaris In-Reply-To: <200410041921.i94JLqQR031394@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <4154519d04100412107834d761@mail.gmail.com> <200410041921.i94JLqQR031394@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4154519d04100413015f54d220@mail.gmail.com> That did it. Thanks! -Mike On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:21:52 -0500 (CDT), Borries Demeler wrote: > Edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config (or whereever you got your sshd_config file) > and make sure you have this line in there: > > X11Forwarding yes > > then restart sshd on the solaris box and try again. You shouldn't need to > use the -X switch, but if it still doesn't work, try it anyway. > > -Borries > > > > > > No dice. Cursor just sits there, blinking, completely oblivious. > > There's no error message. Nothing. Just waiting for something to > > happen... Same behavior as not using the -X flag. > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:03:18 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > Try forwarding the X directly through ssh. Add this: > > > > > > ssh -X remote_solaris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:58:07 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > > > > I need to display some remote Solaris applications on my local Linux > > > > box. When I'm displaying an application from a remote Linux box I > > > > just have to do this: > > > > > > > > [local_linux] $ ssh remote_linux > > > > [remote_linux] $ xclock > > > > > > > > And viola! I see the remote xclock window. However with Solaris, I see: > > > > > > > > [local_linux] $ ssh remote_solaris > > > > [remote_solaris] $ xclock > > > > Error: Can't open display: > > > > > > > > I've tried setting the DISPLAY variable to x.x.x.x:0.0 and to > > > > local_linux.machine.name:0.0 and in both cases I don't get the display > > > > error, but nothing comes up to my screen and the process doesn't do > > > > anything. After waiting a while I finally kill the process. I have > > > > tried playing around with the xhost settings on my local Linux box, > > > > but to no avail. Ideas? > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Satlug mailing list > > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeremy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > From hstreit at swri.edu Mon Oct 4 18:19:39 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Mon Oct 4 17:03:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Just got a NeXT Workstation - What should I do with it? Message-ID: <4161CC7B.50706@swri.edu> Hey guys, I just got a NeXT Workstation! I haven't had a chance to take her home and photo her insides yet, but I wanted to know if anyone had any good ideas about what to do with her. (Not take her out back and shoot her, stuff like setting up linux or something). I can't wait to learn more about this peice of computing history! From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 20:23:29 2004 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Mon Oct 4 19:06:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux with Juno ISP? In-Reply-To: <41523E29.6040600@vinny.us> References: <200409211516210400.000A50CC@mail.worldlinkisp.com> <41523E29.6040600@vinny.us> Message-ID: I wonder why, in Gmail, Vinny's message was considered Spam? hmmm... On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:08:25 -0500, Vinny wrote: > I use EV1 with my laptop Red Hat 9.0 and my Zaurus. > > Vinny -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From patl at satx.rr.com Tue Oct 5 01:01:59 2004 From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan) Date: Mon Oct 4 23:44:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable Message-ID: <41622AC7.2040603@satx.rr.com> Has anyone heard anything about or tried the new 6Mb/512Kb premium service that RR is adveritsing for ~$70/month. -Patrick From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Tue Oct 5 01:35:05 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Tue Oct 5 00:19:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable In-Reply-To: <41622AC7.2040603@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c4aa9d$11dadd00$6401a8c0@hplaptop> I don't need the extra storage space and I already get significantly faster speed virtually all the time, so 512 would be a slow down...so I decided it wasn't for me. Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of J. Patrick Lanigan Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:02 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable Has anyone heard anything about or tried the new 6Mb/512Kb premium service that RR is adveritsing for ~$70/month. -Patrick _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From satlug at vinny.us Tue Oct 5 03:03:11 2004 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny) Date: Tue Oct 5 01:47:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux with Juno ISP? In-Reply-To: References: <200409211516210400.000A50CC@mail.worldlinkisp.com> <41523E29.6040600@vinny.us> Message-ID: <4162472F.3030106@vinny.us> That is strange, I have my vinny.us mail sent to Gmail all the time. It has never marked me as SPAM before... I forward, and send stuff to my Gmail account, and others Gmail accounts all the time.. Tested it just now from satlug at vinny.us to Gmail and it worked fine. Vinny Geoff wrote: > I wonder why, in Gmail, Vinny's message was considered Spam? > hmmm... > > > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:08:25 -0500, Vinny wrote: > >>I use EV1 with my laptop Red Hat 9.0 and my Zaurus. >> >>Vinny > > > From me at jchampion.com Tue Oct 5 07:58:07 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Tue Oct 5 06:41:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable References: <41622AC7.2040603@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <002501c4aad2$972cdb90$0200a8c0@blackhole1> i've heard of it but my problem with it is that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for me. there aren't too many sites around that can accomodate the higher bandwidth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Patrick Lanigan" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable > Has anyone heard anything about or tried the new 6Mb/512Kb premium > service that RR is adveritsing for ~$70/month. > > -Patrick > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 From eli at then7.com Tue Oct 5 10:03:50 2004 From: eli at then7.com (eli@then7.com) Date: Tue Oct 5 08:49:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable In-Reply-To: <000001c4aa9d$11dadd00$6401a8c0@hplaptop> References: <41622AC7.2040603@satx.rr.com> <000001c4aa9d$11dadd00$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <32772.24.26.238.31.1096985030.squirrel@24.26.238.31> why not tell us that you have fiber at your house? ;-) ~e On Tue, October 5, 2004 12:35 am, Wrkwatchr said: > I don't need the extra storage space and I already get significantly > faster > speed virtually all the time, so 512 would be a slow down...so I decided > it > wasn't for me. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf > Of J. Patrick Lanigan > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:02 AM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable > > Has anyone heard anything about or tried the new 6Mb/512Kb premium > service that RR is adveritsing for ~$70/month. > > -Patrick > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Tue Oct 5 10:47:43 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Tue Oct 5 09:32:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable In-Reply-To: <32772.24.26.238.31.1096985030.squirrel@24.26.238.31> Message-ID: <000201c4aaea$454eae30$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Actually, that is pretty close. RR's neighborhood fiber "tombstone" is in my backyard and I am the first house off of the fiber. :-). Lucky is better than good any day!! R -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of eli@then7.com Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:04 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable why not tell us that you have fiber at your house? ;-) ~e On Tue, October 5, 2004 12:35 am, Wrkwatchr said: > I don't need the extra storage space and I already get significantly > faster > speed virtually all the time, so 512 would be a slow down...so I decided > it > wasn't for me. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf > Of J. Patrick Lanigan > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:02 AM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable > > Has anyone heard anything about or tried the new 6Mb/512Kb premium > service that RR is adveritsing for ~$70/month. > > -Patrick > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From maquaro at yahoo.com Tue Oct 5 09:12:47 2004 From: maquaro at yahoo.com (Dale Offret Jr.) Date: Tue Oct 5 09:56:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] How many Satlug members own or use a Zaurus? Message-ID: <20041005151247.40033.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com> I have been interested in purchasing a Zaurus, but have not due to financial strains. I noticed the US Zaurus development site was shutdown by Sharp last week. I also can't find any US outlets that carry the Zaurus. I looked at Amazon and even PC Connection. All say out of stock. I reviewed the Zaurus user group websites and found only a few owners in Central and North Central Texas in Dallas and Austin. Does anyone in the Satlug member list own or use a zaurus? If so what for and how do you use it? I was intriged by the Cringly article, not so much about TVR and free cable, but the use of a Zaurus as a SIP client for Vonage that could be used at Home, Work, or any wifi spot Or use his cellular CF card with broadband access to connect to Vonage. That's cool! I wouldn't mind getting rid of my work computer, home computer, and laptop for 1 device and just have a few monitors at each location. The CF-XGA adapter from IO-Data is only $175. (I wish I had one.) Dale Offret Jr. maquaro at yahoo dot com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From poirier at stic.net Tue Oct 5 13:24:30 2004 From: poirier at stic.net (Craig) Date: Tue Oct 5 12:09:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Remote X with Solaris In-Reply-To: <200410050445.i954j6Y29495@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200410050445.i954j6Y29495@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <4162765E.6010304@stic.net> Jeremy Mann Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:21:16 -0500 wrote: >> Ok, try this.. On the client machine, run xhost +. Then ssh (without >> the -X) to the solaris machine. Then export DISPLAY=blah:0 to your >> client. Now see if an X program can run. > > Yeah, now anyone can display to your screen. Use "host -" and the xauth command to do the same thing, but without opening up your display screen to the world. From the man page: The most common use for xauth is to extract the entry for the current display, copy it to another machine, and merge it into the user's authority file on the remote machine: % xauth extract - $DISPLAY | rsh otherhost xauth merge - From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 15:54:55 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Oct 5 14:38:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable In-Reply-To: <000201c4aaea$454eae30$6401a8c0@hplaptop> References: <32772.24.26.238.31.1096985030.squirrel@24.26.238.31> <000201c4aaea$454eae30$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <277020fc04100512544185f23@mail.gmail.com> Meh, there is no way you will get even close to 6 Mbps unless you are downloading something right off Time Warner's newsgroup servers. I have a 1.5 mbps connection and the *only* time I ever saw it reach that speed was downloading something from a newsgroup. Generally speaking the fastest you get is 290 kbps or so on the download, and they throttle your upload way back, to around 128 or so. From kd5lsx at earthlink.net Tue Oct 5 16:23:38 2004 From: kd5lsx at earthlink.net (Joshua Davis) Date: Tue Oct 5 15:07:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] How many Satlug members own or use a Zaurus? In-Reply-To: <20041005151247.40033.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bought my Zaurus SL-5500 a year ago this month from Amazon.com and love it. While I typically use it for the PIM apps, I also have a copy of tkcPlayer for playing MP3/OGG. (I like tkcPlayer better than the stock media player.) I've also used it as a LAN tool (until I sat down with the CF NIC in my pocket -- I knew that crunching sound was bad.). I've got a 56k CF modem I use when traveling and don't want to unpack the laptop. It's a neat unit, but listening to music drains the battery pretty quickly. I'm looking at getting a Sony Hi-MD player to use instead of beating up on my poor Zaurus battery. I don't think the Z ever got to be really big outside of Japan. I know Amazon.com and several other online stores had the SL-5600 a few months ago, but the SL-6000 never really took off. The unit was slightly overpriced at $700. In addition to that, Sharp never seemed to heavily market the Zaurus line in the US. I guess they were counting on large corporations picking it up in large numbers, and consumers following suit later. Also, from what I've heard, Sharp never had much in the way of support in the US for the Zaurus. I sent an e-mail to tech support once, but never got a response. I doubt I'm the only one to encounter that. The interface isn't the flashiest either, so that may have played a role in it's lack of adoption by the American public. If you manage to get one, I wouldn't suggest tossing your desktop and laptop just yet. The CF XGA card can only do 1024x768 at 16 colors, 800x600 at 65,535 colors, and 640x480 at 16.7M colors. The built in keyboard is really nice, but can become tiring to use after a while -- the keys are really small. All of it's shortcomings aside, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants more than a PDA in a PDA package. It's great for a portable network administration tool, and it certainly doesn't hurt that you can play games on it. If you can't find them new, I'm sure you can pick one up for cheap on eBay. Joshua -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Dale Offret Jr. Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:13 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] How many Satlug members own or use a Zaurus? I have been interested in purchasing a Zaurus, but have not due to financial strains. I noticed the US Zaurus development site was shutdown by Sharp last week. I also can't find any US outlets that carry the Zaurus. I looked at Amazon and even PC Connection. All say out of stock. I reviewed the Zaurus user group websites and found only a few owners in Central and North Central Texas in Dallas and Austin. Does anyone in the Satlug member list own or use a zaurus? If so what for and how do you use it? I was intriged by the Cringly article, not so much about TVR and free cable, but the use of a Zaurus as a SIP client for Vonage that could be used at Home, Work, or any wifi spot Or use his cellular CF card with broadband access to connect to Vonage. That's cool! I wouldn't mind getting rid of my work computer, home computer, and laptop for 1 device and just have a few monitors at each location. The CF-XGA adapter from IO-Data is only $175. (I wish I had one.) Dale Offret Jr. maquaro at yahoo dot com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From eli at then7.com Tue Oct 5 16:22:59 2004 From: eli at then7.com (eli@then7.com) Date: Tue Oct 5 15:09:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable In-Reply-To: <277020fc04100512544185f23@mail.gmail.com> References: <32772.24.26.238.31.1096985030.squirrel@24.26.238.31> <000201c4aaea$454eae30$6401a8c0@hplaptop> <277020fc04100512544185f23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1041.24.26.238.31.1097007779.squirrel@24.26.238.31> On Tue, October 5, 2004 2:54 pm, Sean Carolan said: > Meh, there is no way you will get even close to 6 Mbps unless you are > downloading something right off Time Warner's newsgroup servers. I > have a 1.5 mbps connection and the *only* time I ever saw it reach > that speed was downloading something from a newsgroup. Generally > speaking the fastest you get is 290 kbps or so on the download, and > they throttle your upload way back, to around 128 or so. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > rr is 3000/384. dsl is 1500/128. i routinely max my rr speeds via web downloads, usenet, bittorrent, and not to mention when connection to my colo servers. i've used dsl, and still support quite a few people on dsl. 128 up blows. i can barely tolerate the 384 up of rr. the 512 up is definitely decent. no dsl for me. signed, an internet junkie ;-) From mdfilio at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 16:26:11 2004 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Tue Oct 5 15:09:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] TW RR new *premium* cable In-Reply-To: <277020fc04100512544185f23@mail.gmail.com> References: <32772.24.26.238.31.1096985030.squirrel@24.26.238.31> <000201c4aaea$454eae30$6401a8c0@hplaptop> <277020fc04100512544185f23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I consistently get my full 2.5Mbit (and a little more) down, although I only get about 360Kbit up. I'm sure everyone has different experiences. I wouldn't mind that extra up if it actually comes close to that 512. I'm probably going to switch (chose Earthlink as ISP origi