From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Wed Sep 1 10:04:38 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Wed Sep 1 08:49:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] what is an rss feed? In-Reply-To: <20040830230635.A6551@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> (joseph speigle's message of "Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:06:35 -0500") References: <20040830214032.A5944@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <345e55a50408302025221b9220@mail.gmail.com> <20040830230635.A6551@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, joseph speigle said: > hi again, i have a rss client now, in python, which opens up a gui > and i can then add websites i want to check the rss feed of and it > pulls down short descriptions of the pages, thanks you very much > could not have been motivated to have done that without a little > push. I've been using liferea for a couple weeks and like it. http://liferea.sourceforge.net/ -- Ted Rathkopf From zip at liberto.org Wed Sep 1 12:32:28 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Wed Sep 1 11:16:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] AODV Routing Message-ID: <4135F99C.1030406@liberto.org> Has anyone done any work with aodv routing in linux? I would like to build a small test mesh network using 802.11b, it seems that aodv is the way to go. Andrew From quaal at alamo.satlug.org Wed Sep 1 10:54:23 2004 From: quaal at alamo.satlug.org (quaal) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:25:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04083019302cbb4aa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In my haste to reduce the number satlug messages, i deleted about a thousand gmail messages. Unfortunately now I wished I hadn't cause I am now curious what is the deal with gmail. Why does every one want or have a gmail account? Is it just the space? Thanks -- quaal On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Yes I think we have ;) > > I can't give away my invites so I'm using them for myself ;) > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:28:39 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > > have we reached gmail saturation point yet? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:14:04 -0500, Charles Mims wrote: > > > I have 4 to give. Email me off-list with the usual,'first name, last > > > name, and email.' > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From quaal at alamo.satlug.org Wed Sep 1 11:00:26 2004 From: quaal at alamo.satlug.org (quaal) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:25:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message In-Reply-To: <4133F828.2090008@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Holy cow. You don't need to answer my previous message about why gmail. Does anyone have an invite left for me? --quaal On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jesika wrote: > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > mail lately. > > Jesika > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From quaal at alamo.satlug.org Wed Sep 1 12:10:10 2004 From: quaal at alamo.satlug.org (quaal) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:25:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04083107235bcf4506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Seems like my other messages are awaiting approval since I am not a mailing list member. Hopefully I fixed it now. So I will ask again, does anyone have a gmail invite to give? --quaal On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jeremy Mann wrote: > libgmail is pretty neat. Now I can archive all my Gmail ;) > > > On 30 Aug 2004 23:17:54 -0500, Matt wrote: > > wow.. this is soo wrong it's funny and almost sadistic... :) > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 23:01, Jesika wrote: > > > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > > > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html > > > > > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > > > mail lately. > > > > > > Jesika > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From jr7958 at sbc.com Wed Sep 1 13:50:05 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:34:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DAB@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> I have 6. Send me your email address. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of quaal Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:00 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Holy cow. You don't need to answer my previous message about why gmail. Does anyone have an invite left for me? --quaal On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jesika wrote: > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem .html > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > mail lately. > > Jesika > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 13:53:22 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:37:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] what is an rss feed? In-Reply-To: References: <20040830214032.A5944@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <345e55a50408302025221b9220@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0409011053133a3110@mail.gmail.com> Ximian/Novell Evolution has an rss/rdf feed program built in. I use it to pull the headlines from slashdot and a couple other sites into my "today" page every 1/2 hour or so. On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:04:38 -0500, Ted Rathkopf wrote: > Meanwhile, back at the model home, joseph speigle said: > > > hi again, i have a rss client now, in python, which opens up a gui > > and i can then add websites i want to check the rss feed of and it > > pulls down short descriptions of the pages, thanks you very much > > could not have been motivated to have done that without a little > > push. > > I've been using liferea for a couple weeks and like it. > > http://liferea.sourceforge.net/ > > -- > Ted Rathkopf > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jr7958 at sbc.com Wed Sep 1 13:56:57 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:41:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DAC@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> I have 6 left. Send me your email address. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of quaal Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:10 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Seems like my other messages are awaiting approval since I am not a mailing list member. Hopefully I fixed it now. So I will ask again, does anyone have a gmail invite to give? --quaal On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jeremy Mann wrote: > libgmail is pretty neat. Now I can archive all my Gmail ;) > > > On 30 Aug 2004 23:17:54 -0500, Matt wrote: > > wow.. this is soo wrong it's funny and almost sadistic... :) > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 23:01, Jesika wrote: > > > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > > > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem .html > > > > > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > > > mail lately. > > > > > > Jesika > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 13:58:30 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:42:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. Those are the pros. The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you related text ads on the side of the page. From chardon47 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 12:05:52 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:50:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message In-Reply-To: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DAC@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <20040901180552.72254.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Can you give me one for a buddy? kovelan@yahoo.com "REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)" wrote: I have 6 left. Send me your email address. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of quaal Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:10 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Seems like my other messages are awaiting approval since I am not a mailing list member. Hopefully I fixed it now. So I will ask again, does anyone have a gmail invite to give? --quaal On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jeremy Mann wrote: > libgmail is pretty neat. Now I can archive all my Gmail ;) > > > On 30 Aug 2004 23:17:54 -0500, Matt wrote: > > wow.. this is soo wrong it's funny and almost sadistic... :) > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 23:01, Jesika wrote: > > > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > > > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem .html > > > > > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > > > mail lately. > > > > > > Jesika > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Illegitimus non Carborundum" "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." From snafu at urdirect.net Wed Sep 1 14:11:34 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn_Home) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:55:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you >related text ads on the side of the page. > > I recently got a gmail account through an invite from this list. However, I was wondering if there are any other cons to consider...? Any privacy issues? From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 15:28:16 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:12:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix - pass disk geometry via bootloader Message-ID: <277020fc040901122855c8db4b@mail.gmail.com> Is there a way to pass the disk geometry info via the bootloader when booting from a knoppix disk? If so could someone share that information with me? I want to force it to use the correct geometry for my drive. From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Wed Sep 1 15:39:58 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:25:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix - pass disk geometry via bootloader Message-ID: Is this for an SATA drive or IDE? Raided or not? Othniel Graichen -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Sean Carolan Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:28 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix - pass disk geometry via bootloader Is there a way to pass the disk geometry info via the bootloader when booting from a knoppix disk? If so could someone share that information with me? I want to force it to use the correct geometry for my drive. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Wed Sep 1 15:48:48 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:33:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] AODV Routing Message-ID: <20040901194837.BAC2914AECF6@mail2.aus.texas.net> > Has anyone done any work with aodv routing in linux? I would like to > build a small test mesh network using 802.11b, it seems that aodv is the > way to go. > > > Andrew > IMHO, no kind of mesh networking is going to work on 802.11b as long as you are limited by operatin under Part 15 using current systems. If you have a full 1 watt output system into a 6 dB gain antenna, runing the hardware at or near the antenna (near=less than 10 ft) and pure LOS (line of sight) with some of the stations in the mesh network, they you have a change of it working...that stationary stations. Mobile mesh networking is another bag of worms. I don't think that there is a good protocol out there yet do really affectively accomplish you expectations for mesh networking other than with hardware described above and dewelling roof mount antennas. Walt From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 1 16:21:37 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:56:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Bandwidth-o-meter? Message-ID: <1094070097.12054.3.camel@zeus.matrix> WEll here goes another stupid question... You know all these bandwidth tools that people have on their websites? (like DSlreports, TWC's speed test, 2wire(ugh), etc.....) Does anyone know where I could find code so that I could do this on an internal server to test various hardware link speeds? Thanks! FIRESTORM_v1 From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 1 16:23:17 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:58:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1094070198.12076.5.camel@zeus.matrix> Speaking of cons... WHERE ARE THE FOLDERS? It's so damn annoying to have 40+ messages in my main inbox page because I can't tell when the conversation is done, etc.. Any advice? FIRESTORM_v1 On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 12:58, Sean Carolan wrote: > Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to > your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view > for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. > Those are the pros. > > The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you > related text ads on the side of the page. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tx_kewtie at earthlink.net Wed Sep 1 16:35:41 2004 From: tx_kewtie at earthlink.net (Jesika) Date: Wed Sep 1 15:19:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? In-Reply-To: <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> References: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <4136329D.7010800@earthlink.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >> The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you >> related text ads on the side of the page. >> > This is really a misnomer. ALL webmail scans your email. It has to in order to display it. The difference is that while scanning it, gmail catches key words and puts small text ads related to that on the side. This is how they make money. Other free web mail services make money by selling your address to companies who will send you spam about how your penis could be so much bigger. You decide which you prefer. Jesika From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 16:54:46 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 1 15:39:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <1094070198.12076.5.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1094070198.12076.5.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> Matt, what you think are Folders, Gmail calls Labels. On 01 Sep 2004 15:23:17 -0500, Matt wrote: > Speaking of cons... > > WHERE ARE THE FOLDERS? > > It's so damn annoying to have 40+ messages in my main inbox page because > I can't tell when the conversation is done, etc.. > > Any advice? > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 12:58, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to > > your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view > > for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. > > Those are the pros. > > > > The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you > > related text ads on the side of the page. > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 16:56:36 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 1 15:40:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? In-Reply-To: <4136329D.7010800@earthlink.net> References: <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> <4136329D.7010800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090113562953e879@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:35:41 -0500, Jesika wrote: > This is really a misnomer. ALL webmail scans your email. It has to in > order to display it. The difference is that while scanning it, gmail > catches key words and puts small text ads related to that on the side. > This is how they make money. Other free web mail services make money by > selling your address to companies who will send you spam about how your > penis could be so much bigger. You decide which you prefer. But you have to admit Gmail's ads are much more tasteful than say the ads you get with a Hotmail or Yahoo account. I can't stand the half-screen Flash ads that Yahoo has done. I purposely refuse to install Flash in my browsers because of this. And personally, I've found the ads quite useful. -- Jeremy From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 1 17:31:00 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Wed Sep 1 16:13:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04090113562953e879@mail.gmail.com> References: <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> <4136329D.7010800@earthlink.net> <79ec289f04090113562953e879@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1094081459.2576.2.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 13:56, Jeremy Mann wrote: > But you have to admit Gmail's ads are much more tasteful than say the > ads you get with a Hotmail or Yahoo account. I can't stand the > half-screen Flash ads that Yahoo has done. I purposely refuse to > install Flash in my browsers because of this. And personally, I've > found the ads quite useful. I was having a discussion with my cousin in Mexico about laptops and the ad next to it was advertising laptops in Spanish. I thought that was interesting. -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From zip at liberto.org Wed Sep 1 17:29:49 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Wed Sep 1 16:14:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 802.11 pcmcia cards, polarization Message-ID: <41363F4D.1090703@liberto.org> Are 802.11 pcmcia cards vertically or horizontally polarized? It seems they would be horizontally, however most external antenna on AP's are vertically polarized (orientated at least). Considering that if most cards are horizontally polarized, what is the reasoning behind this? Andrew From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Sep 1 17:33:14 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Sep 1 16:17:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Yep - More G-Mail Invites: Message-ID: <4136401A.1070503@futuretechsolutions.com> I have 4 left - you all know the drill by now. From quaal at alamo.satlug.org Wed Sep 1 18:05:52 2004 From: quaal at alamo.satlug.org (quaal) Date: Wed Sep 1 17:05:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail invites - thanks In-Reply-To: <6fedaace040901125530e3d729@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank all, I have an account. Does anybody have more than one? Would they frown on that? --quaal From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 18:39:46 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 1 17:24:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail invites - thanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f04090115392be15aa4@mail.gmail.com> I don't think so. I have 3 ;) On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:05:52 -0500 (CDT), quaal wrote: > Thank all, I have an account. Does anybody have more than one? > Would they frown on that? > > --quaal > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From m.a.wallace at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 18:53:07 2004 From: m.a.wallace at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Wed Sep 1 17:37:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> Except labels aren't exactly folders. Instead of falling into some folder hierarchy, a message can have one or many different labels associated with it. If you had a one-to-one message-label correspondence, it'd be exactly like a typical folder. This is another thing I really like about GMail. With other folder-oriented progarms, you could only classify your messages in one way. But with GMail, you can label the same message many times over. Makes finding something much easier. -Mike On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:54:46 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Matt, what you think are Folders, Gmail calls Labels. > > > > On 01 Sep 2004 15:23:17 -0500, Matt wrote: > > Speaking of cons... > > > > WHERE ARE THE FOLDERS? > > > > It's so damn annoying to have 40+ messages in my main inbox page because > > I can't tell when the conversation is done, etc.. > > > > Any advice? > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 12:58, Sean Carolan wrote: > > > Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to > > > your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view > > > for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. > > > Those are the pros. > > > > > > The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you > > > related text ads on the side of the page. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- > Jeremy > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From me at jchampion.com Wed Sep 1 20:35:00 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Sep 1 19:19:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? References: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <002d01c49084$ae9f1300$0200a8c0@blackhole1> no more so than any other email provider. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn_Home" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:11 PM Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? > Sean Carolan wrote: > > >The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you > >related text ads on the side of the page. > > > > > I recently got a gmail account through an invite from this list. > However, I was wondering > if there are any other cons to consider...? Any privacy issues? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 8/27/2004 From spammer at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 1 21:52:24 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Wed Sep 1 20:35:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] need some help Message-ID: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> Ok guys,, I need some help, If anyone uses SuSe 9.0 and some good linux experiance can you e-mail me outside group . and I will send you my phone # my e-mail should be in the header, but if not it is spammer@satx.rr.com. I ned some help w/ e-mail issues and some config problems I am having. I'm getting fustrated and need a litle coaching to help resolve these issues. Thanks In advance Nick From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 22:03:31 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 1 20:47:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix - pass disk geometry via bootloader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277020fc040901190361f37fec@mail.gmail.com> It's inside my laptop. I just did this and it seemed to work: knoppix hda=x,y,z where x y and z are the parameters of the drive itself. I realized today that I need to have windoze on the laptop for a few work-related applications, so I set it up to dual-boot to fedora core 2 and windoze xp. From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Sep 1 22:49:12 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Sep 1 21:33:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? Message-ID: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> Hey SATLUGgers, Who was doing the coordination and setup for the Computer Blast??? We need to make sure that everything is set up for this weekend. Also make sure we have the people available for the Computer Blast as well as the InstallFest. Chuck From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Sep 1 23:39:30 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Sep 1 22:23:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? In-Reply-To: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 01 Sep 2004 21:49:12 -0500, Chuck wrote: >Who was doing the coordination and setup for the Computer Blast??? We >need to make sure that everything is set up for this weekend. Also make >sure we have the people available for the Computer Blast as well as the >InstallFest. Hey, Chuck! I think your calendar has slipped a bit. This Saturday is InstallFest at SAC. Next weekend is ComputerFest at Live Oak. I expect to be at both. I still have the recycled Dell Optiplex and will be at the computer show to help set up again. Of course if you'd like to go out there this week and set up a wireless broadband hot spot for us, I certainly wouldn't mind. Pasted from the bulk email I got from Stance this week: > This is just a pre-reminder of the next San Antonio Computer Show. > > Date: SEPTEMBER 11-12 > Location: Live Oak Civic Center / 8101 Pat Booker Rd. @ Loop 1604 From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Sep 1 23:53:44 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Sep 1 22:38:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? In-Reply-To: References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> Man, I AM mixed up. I thought I remembered that the InstallFest and Computer Blast were the same day again. OK, well that's even better. But I won't be able to make it the first day of the Computer Blast if its the 11th. I've got to fly up to Kerrville for a seminar that day. But I can get the signs and Dell400 demo computer to someone else on Friday and then be at the show Sunday. Can I get it to you Don, or are you kinda packed with the other demo computer??? Chuck On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 22:39, Don Wright wrote: > On 01 Sep 2004 21:49:12 -0500, Chuck wrote: > >Who was doing the coordination and setup for the Computer Blast??? We > >need to make sure that everything is set up for this weekend. Also make > >sure we have the people available for the Computer Blast as well as the > >InstallFest. > > > Hey, Chuck! > I think your calendar has slipped a bit. This Saturday is InstallFest > at SAC. Next weekend is ComputerFest at Live Oak. I expect to be at > both. I still have the recycled Dell Optiplex and will be at the > computer show to help set up again. > > Of course if you'd like to go out there this week and set up a > wireless broadband hot spot for us, I certainly wouldn't mind. > > Pasted from the bulk email I got from Stance this week: > > This is just a pre-reminder of the next San Antonio Computer Show. > > > > Date: SEPTEMBER 11-12 > > Location: Live Oak Civic Center / 8101 Pat Booker Rd. @ Loop 1604 > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Sep 2 01:54:09 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Sep 2 00:38:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? In-Reply-To: <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <5ubdj01vh9tgpk0vjcaenbuo7eh1s39pjm@4ax.com> On 01 Sep 2004 22:53:44 -0500, Chuck wrote: > I can get the signs and Dell400 >demo computer to someone else on Friday and then be at the show Sunday. >Can I get it to you Don, or are you kinda packed with the other demo >computer??? How well does the sign break down into smaller pieces? I just have a small station wagon. Folding down the rear seat it can take 68" long (5'8") items but not more than 36" wide. If that top section is a single panel then it might require someone with a pickup. The Dell 400 and its related gear should not be a problem with sufficient notice. If the next SATLUG meeting is the 8th, I can probably pick it up then, otherwise the InstallFest this Saturday will have to do. --Don From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 2 02:01:19 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 2 00:45:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? In-Reply-To: <5ubdj01vh9tgpk0vjcaenbuo7eh1s39pjm@4ax.com> References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> <5ubdj01vh9tgpk0vjcaenbuo7eh1s39pjm@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1094104880.1123.44.camel@laptop> The meeting may be the best bet. It will probably take a pickup or van. Covered preferably since the sign is water vulnerable. Is there anyone on the list going to be at the meeting and can bring the sign to the Computer Blast Saturday morning??? It will get you a free entry into the show.... Chuck On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 00:54, Don Wright wrote: > On 01 Sep 2004 22:53:44 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > I can get the signs and Dell400 > >demo computer to someone else on Friday and then be at the show Sunday. > >Can I get it to you Don, or are you kinda packed with the other demo > >computer??? > > How well does the sign break down into smaller pieces? I just have a > small station wagon. Folding down the rear seat it can take 68" long > (5'8") items but not more than 36" wide. If that top section is a > single panel then it might require someone with a pickup. > > The Dell 400 and its related gear should not be a problem with > sufficient notice. If the next SATLUG meeting is the 8th, I can > probably pick it up then, otherwise the InstallFest this Saturday will > have to do. --Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mayonakaha at vashir.com Thu Sep 2 03:16:15 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (Mike Duncan) Date: Thu Sep 2 03:00:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4136D6CF.6050707@vashir.com> It took me awhile to get used to that, but I find it to be very useful. I have Gmail set to auto-label my mailing lists and some of them fit into the multiple-label category. It's nice to be able to just choose a label to view on the left side and everything without that label disappears. It was, however, very annoying at first getting used to it.. especially coming from folder-driven clients like OE, Thunderbird (which still I use for my personal addy because of the wonderful spam filter) and Evolution. Mike D Mike Wallace wrote: >Except labels aren't exactly folders. Instead of falling into some >folder hierarchy, a message can have one or many different labels >associated with it. If you had a one-to-one message-label >correspondence, it'd be exactly like a typical folder. > >This is another thing I really like about GMail. With other >folder-oriented progarms, you could only classify your messages in one >way. But with GMail, you can label the same message many times over. >Makes finding something much easier. > >-Mike > >On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:54:46 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > >>Matt, what you think are Folders, Gmail calls Labels. >> >> >> >>On 01 Sep 2004 15:23:17 -0500, Matt wrote: >> >> >>>Speaking of cons... >>> >>>WHERE ARE THE FOLDERS? >>> >>>It's so damn annoying to have 40+ messages in my main inbox page because >>>I can't tell when the conversation is done, etc.. >>> >>>Any advice? >>> >>>FIRESTORM_v1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 12:58, Sean Carolan wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to >>>>your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view >>>>for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. >>>>Those are the pros. >>>> >>>>The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you >>>>related text ads on the side of the page. >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Satlug mailing list >>>>Satlug@satlug.org >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Satlug mailing list >>>Satlug@satlug.org >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Jeremy >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- It's like an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a warm flour tortilla with sour cream and guacamole. From storey at clamp.ws Thu Sep 2 05:43:49 2004 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Thu Sep 2 04:30:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast???/sign transport In-Reply-To: <1094104880.1123.44.camel@laptop> References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> <5ubdj01vh9tgpk0vjcaenbuo7eh1s39pjm@4ax.com> <1094104880.1123.44.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4136EB55.5040309@clamp.ws> Chuck wrote: >The meeting may be the best bet. It will probably take a pickup or >van. Covered preferably since the sign is water vulnerable. > >Is there anyone on the list going to be at the meeting and can bring the >sign to the Computer Blast Saturday morning??? It will get you a free >entry into the show.... > > >Chuck > > > I plan to attend both, and I have a Ford Ranger with a low-fitted bed cover, not a camper shell, which will accomodate the sign if it is no larger than 4' by 6' . Storey From eli at then7.com Thu Sep 2 07:54:05 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Thu Sep 2 06:36:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] screen command loses colors Message-ID: <1094126045.b6d40474d1422@www.then7.com> When at a regular pts (from putty to a slackware server) colors are fine. When I enter "screen" at the command line, i lose my colors. Is there a way to get them back? tia, ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 09:23:39 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 2 08:05:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] need some help In-Reply-To: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> References: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1094138619.3041.9.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> What's up with your email address? Are you a spammer? On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 18:52, Nick Duffy wrote: > Ok guys,, I need some help, If anyone uses SuSe 9.0 and some good linux experiance can you e-mail me outside group . and I will send you my phone # > my e-mail should be in the header, but if not it is spammer@satx.rr.com. I ned some help w/ e-mail issues and some config problems I am having. I'm getting fustrated and need a litle coaching to help resolve these issues. > Thanks In advance > Nick > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From mester at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 09:26:48 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Thu Sep 2 08:11:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41371F98.3060906@satx.rr.com> Mike Wallace wrote: >Except labels aren't exactly folders. Instead of falling into some >folder hierarchy, a message can have one or many different labels >associated with it. If you had a one-to-one message-label >correspondence, it'd be exactly like a typical folder. > >This is another thing I really like about GMail. With other >folder-oriented progarms, you could only classify your messages in one >way. But with GMail, you can label the same message many times over. >Makes finding something much easier. > > > > > Sounds like the Vfolders feature in Evolution. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Sep 2 10:37:51 2004 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Sep 2 09:22:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Announcement: [IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com: IEEE CTS COM/SP Chapter Meeting - Tues, Sep. 14th, 6:30 PM (Please RSVP)] Message-ID: <20040902143751.GB13712@mail.fortuitous.com> Here is the new IEEE COMSPC meeting announcement. Please take note of the new meeting location at the UT campus. Bon Appetit, Phil C. ----- Forwarded message from IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com ----- Subject: IEEE CTS COM/SP Chapter Meeting - Tues, Sep. 14th, 6:30 PM (Please RSVP) From: IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 06:57:19 EDT To: IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com The IEEE CTS Chapter ComSoc / Signal Processing Societies invites you to attend the Chapter's September Monthly Technical Evening Meeting, Tuesday September 14, 2004, between 6:30 PM and 9:00 PM CDT. The meeting will once again be held on the campus of the University of Texas at Austin, this time in the AVAYA Auditorium of the ACE building, which is on the south side of 24th street and Speedway. Parking will be in parking lot # 16 on the north side of 24th street by the ENS building. See below for directions and parking. (Note: We are no longer meeting at the SBC's Labs, Inc.) Topic: Broadband in the Last Mile, ( ADSL 2, ADSL 2 +, VDSL, PON). Presenter: Dean Bekken, Senior Product Line Manager, Carrier Networks, ADTRAN, Inc., Huntsville, AL. Abstract Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers (ILEC's), who need to protect and expand services and revenues, are moving to a packet-based future. The competition that these ILEC's face is from the Cable Operators, who are already providing high-speed video and data services. In order to provide these same services, the ILEC's are moving their broadband infrastructure closer to the residential customers, deploying PON and xDSL technologies. The equipment market offers a host of broadband access technologies (including ADSL2+, VDSL, and VDSL2) from which to choose that operate over the ILEC's existing copper twisted pairs. Of course, multiple Fiber-to-the-Premise (FTTP) technologies are also available if fiber is to be extended all the way to the residence. These loop technologies will be investigated in this presentation from both a theoretical and a practical approach to determine the best approach in trying to deploy enhanced bandwidth customer services. Biography Dean Bekken is a Senior Product Manager with ADTRAN Inc., a Huntsville, Alabama based telecommunications provider. Dean is working with both the ADTRAN DSLAM and FTTN product lines. He has over 15 years in the telecommunications industry. During his tenure, he has worked with numerous access technologies to include, DDS, ISDN, HDSLx, ADSL, Optical, and most recently ADSL2+ and VDSL. Additionally, he has worked with TDM, Frame Relay, ATM, and Ethernet based systems. During this time he has also worked with the numerous challenges involved in the mechanical aspects of system and OSP telecommunications design. ADTRAN, Inc. is one of the world's most successful telecom equipment suppliers, with a 16-year history of profitability and a portfolio of more than 1,300 solutions for use in the last mile of today's telecommunications networks. Widely deployed by both carriers and enterprises alike, ADTRAN solutions enable voice, data, video, and Internet communications across copper, fiber, and wireless network infrastructures. ADTRAN solutions are currently in use by every major domestic service provider and many international ones, as well as by thousands of public, private and government organizations worldwide. This presentation is open to both chapter members and non-members. Food and beverages will be served to attendees. If you plan to attend, please send e-mail to Howard Headrick at hfrjr@swbell.net for planning purposes. Maps and Directions Parking Meeting attendees will be able to park in Lot #16 (outside the ENS building) and park on the street (along 24th street and along San Jacinto) beginning at 5:45pm. The only caution to everyone is that those without a Faculty Permit must not park in any space that has a sign showing "F parking AT ALL TIMES". These spaces are reserved for those with faculty permits, so those without such a permit could be ticketed and towed away. Directions Exit I 35 at Dean Keaton (26th St.). Proceed west on Dean Keaton (towards the UTA Campus) to the intersection of Dean Keaton and San Jacinto, where you will turn left (south) onto San Jacinto. Proceed south on San Jacinto, approximately one block, past the parking garage on your left, and then proceed past the guard station to the intersection of 24th street and San Jacinto. Turn right (going west) on to 24th street. Drive over creek, past the Utility Services building on the right and then drive up to the construction on left and right. Either park on the street (24th street or around the corner on Speedway) or park in Parking Lot # 16, which will be to your right, in front of the ENS building. The ACE building, in which the AVAYA Auditorium is located, is just south of 24th street at Speedway. UPCOMING MEETINGS The IEEE CTS Chapter ComSoc / Signal Processing Societies' October Technical Monthly Evening Meeting will be back to the Chapter's regular meeting schedule of the 3rd Thursday evening of each month. Thus, the October Technical Monthly Evening Meeting will be on Thursday evening, October 14, 2004, between 6:30 P.M and 9:00 P.M. The place for this meeting will be announced in next month's meeting notice and in the upcoming Section newsletter. The topic will be an in-depth presentation in the pros and cons of Circuit Emulation over Ethernet, with emphasis on PWE3 and the trade-offs in service quality of circuit switched voice over Ethernet. The presenter will be Jim Tyndal, product manager, Cetreus Networks, Richardson, TX If you would like to give a presentation on a communications or signal processing topic, please contact Howard Headrick, e-mail: hfrjr@swbell.net. MONTHLY MEETING NOTICE The Chapter meets on the 3rd Thursday of each month at 6:30 PM until 9:30 PM. Please feel free to post meeting notices and invite guests. SOCIETY MEMBERSHIP We encourage you to join the Communications and Signal Processing Societies at http://www.ieee.org/membership/join/. If you're already a member, please encourage your associates to join one or both societies. IEEE membership provides a variety of benefits to its members ranging from technical publications to conferences to career development assistance to financial services. IEEE MEMBERSHIP RENEWAL AND UPDATE Current members can renew their membership and update their information (including e-mail address) at http://www.ieee.org/membership/coa.html. CTS IEEE COM/SP SOCIETY OFFICERS Howard Headrick Chairman hfrjr@swbell.net Brandon Imboden Executive Vice-Chairman Brandon.Imboden@Broadwing.com Scott Atkinson Vice-Chairman of Conferences scotta@ICSIconsulting.com Les Johnson Vice-Chairman of Membership L.Johnson@IEEE.org Hanan Potash Secretary potash@flash.net Rick Talbot Treasurer rtalbot@austin.rr.com Mark Brockman Dir, Student Activities & Speakers Bureau mark.brockman@sbc.com CTS IEEE COM/SP SOCIETY DISTRIBUTION LIST To be added to or deleted from the chapter mailing list, please send name and e-mail address to Les Johnson (mailto:L.Johnson@IEEE.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -Phil Carinhas -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas | pac(at)fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc. | http://fortuitous.com | | Linux Consulting & Training | Tel : 1-512-218-9561 | `--------------------------------------------------------' From edcoates at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 11:13:51 2004 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Thu Sep 2 09:58:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] need some help In-Reply-To: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> References: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd04090208132ff5b050@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:52:24 -0500, Nick Duffy wrote: > Ok guys,, I need some help, If anyone uses SuSe 9.0 and some good linux experiance can you e-mail me outside group . and I will send you my phone # > my e-mail should be in the header, but if not it is spammer@satx.rr.com. I ned some help w/ e-mail issues and some config problems I am having. I'm getting fustrated and need a litle coaching to help resolve these issues. > Thanks In advance > Nick > _______________________________________________ I've used 9.0, and I'm currently using 9.1 at home. What can I do to help you? Ed/KB8FZQ From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 2 13:00:43 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 2 11:45:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Monthly meeting and InstallFest Message-ID: <1094144444.1119.110.camel@laptop> Hi Everyone, Don't forget next week's meeting. We've got a couple nice presentations lined up. See the webpage for information. And also don't forget the Installfest THIS weekend. We need as many volunteers as possible to make it a success. Can we please get people to send us your name and when you'll be able to help out. We need to be sure we are covered all day. Thanks everyone and have a good holiday weekend. Chuck From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 14:24:44 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Sep 2 13:09:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Monthly meeting and InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1094144444.1119.110.camel@laptop> References: <1094144444.1119.110.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <277020fc040902112441df5b24@mail.gmail.com> Chuck: The website says "Thursday, August 12th". Is that a typo? Should it say Thursday, September 9th? thanks Sean From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 14:59:36 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 2 13:41:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] sending a mail message with nail using script Message-ID: <1094158775.3041.15.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> I have this script: tar cfvj $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 files/ echo "archive for $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 attached" > send_archive.txt nail my_email@email.com -v -s "umod archive for $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2" -a $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 -q send_archive.txt rm send_archive.txt The problem is that it goes into interactive mode. I did a "man nail" and could not find a non-interactive option, though it does mention it. -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 15:05:05 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 2 13:47:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: sending a mail message with nail using script In-Reply-To: <1094158775.3041.15.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1094158775.3041.15.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1094159105.3041.17.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Figured it out. I have to type << EOF at the end of the line. Who knew? On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 13:59, N. David Guarneri wrote: > I have this script: > > tar cfvj $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 files/ > echo "archive for $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 attached" > send_archive.txt > nail my_email@email.com -v -s "umod archive for $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2" > -a $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 -q send_archive.txt > rm send_archive.txt > > The problem is that it goes into interactive mode. I did a "man nail" > and could not find a non-interactive option, though it does mention it. -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 16:35:41 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 2 15:17:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 1 gmail account click here hurry Message-ID: <1094164541.6620.0.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> First click first serve! http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-f7fc773a31-ce29f01bc4-d34339ae53 -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From bamm at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 17:06:28 2004 From: bamm at satx.rr.com (Bamm Visscher) Date: Thu Sep 2 15:56:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Snort Users Road Trip Message-ID: <20040902210628.GR6847@syn.bamm.net> I am driving up to Dallas on Saturday, Sept 11th for the North Texas Snort Users Group (http://www.ntsug.org) meeting. If anyone is interested in going along, I have plenty of room. Bammkkkk From miguel.figueroa at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 17:42:25 2004 From: miguel.figueroa at gmail.com (Miguel Figueroa) Date: Thu Sep 2 16:26:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 12 Gmail invites available, click and win! Message-ID: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-0bb7a8e96b-baeb363876 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4b7473fd27-88e5680b5d http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-582abf4cce-824713b131 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-59831b300d-29e641a0f0 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4e871a5ea0-f864733589 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-d06ea188d1-7a6273f630 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-8132d3eb29-6f74b01f85 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-d36452314a-78da7fc0f3 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7edc5f8d0f-03da8f8c44 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7bf8aaaa69-d2f032692d http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-33b178335d-c34596a7fe http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-cd3cd17e08-2751d093c2 From johnshanks at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 19:27:05 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Thu Sep 2 18:11:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Help for a new Linux user at the SAC InstallFest Message-ID: <545786a604090216273b9b7990@mail.gmail.com> I'm hoping to set up a dual boot on my laptop this Sat using XP. I messed around with Red Hat a while ago, but I don't really know the differences between the distributions. Can anyone give me advice about what will be there to put on, as well as what you would recommend? From dudenik at ftnetwork.com Thu Sep 2 17:09:45 2004 From: dudenik at ftnetwork.com (dudenik@ftnetwork.com) Date: Thu Sep 2 18:29:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] microscopic orincoco ant plug Message-ID: <0338b4509230294MAIL001@mail001.magically.com> hey Jeremy: i found that plug for your wireless card after your presentation last meeting, tried the bigjinsa@satlug.org bot it bounced. john mashl dudenik@ftnetwork.com ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Visit the web site of the Financial Times at http://www.ft.com From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 19:50:32 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Sep 2 18:34:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Help for a new Linux user at the SAC InstallFest In-Reply-To: <545786a604090216273b9b7990@mail.gmail.com> References: <545786a604090216273b9b7990@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc040902165013090d80@mail.gmail.com> John: For someone new to Linux I would recommend Fedora Core 2 or Mandrake. Both are pretty easy to configure and setup. From johnshanks at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 20:54:55 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Thu Sep 2 19:39:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 12 Gmail invites available, click and win! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <545786a604090217544494d949@mail.gmail.com> Well, that's interesting. Only two used, but whoever made them used the bottom links, expecting the invites to have been snapped up. On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:42:25 -0500, Miguel Figueroa wrote: > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-0bb7a8e96b-baeb363876 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4b7473fd27-88e5680b5d > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-582abf4cce-824713b131 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-59831b300d-29e641a0f0 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4e871a5ea0-f864733589 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-d06ea188d1-7a6273f630 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-8132d3eb29-6f74b01f85 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-d36452314a-78da7fc0f3 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7edc5f8d0f-03da8f8c44 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7bf8aaaa69-d2f032692d > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-33b178335d-c34596a7fe > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-cd3cd17e08-2751d093c2 > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From ramadoss at gbronline.com Thu Sep 2 22:50:55 2004 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Thu Sep 2 21:34:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 12 Gmail invites available, click and win! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20040902215019.009ff050@mail.gbronline.com> thanks. I have used one of them. Ramadoss -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 08/27/04 From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 22:54:56 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Thu Sep 2 21:39:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing List Message-ID: <128bff2f04090219542cfa932f@mail.gmail.com> Does mailman allow for file attachments ? I have an E-mail that goes out everyday that has an excel file attachment that is nearly 500kb. I would like to be able to set something up so people can subscribe and unsubscribe on ther own. Thanks Zeb From goodnews2me at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 00:18:10 2004 From: goodnews2me at yahoo.com (Ed M) Date: Thu Sep 2 23:02:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 12 Gmail invites available, click and win! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4137F082.6040909@yahoo.com> So, just for S&G, I picked the top one, replaced Miguel's info with my own, and created my first Gmail account (I guess we /have/ reached saturation!) Right off the top, I find I have six invites waiting for me. Even though I've never asked for one, and only know one person, in RL, that has an account... Thanks, Miguel!! Ed M. Miguel Figueroa wrote: > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-0bb7a8e96b-baeb363876 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4b7473fd27-88e5680b5d > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-582abf4cce-824713b131 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-59831b300d-29e641a0f0 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4e871a5ea0-f864733589 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-d06ea188d1-7a6273f630 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-8132d3eb29-6f74b01f85 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-d36452314a-78da7fc0f3 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7edc5f8d0f-03da8f8c44 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7bf8aaaa69-d2f032692d > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-33b178335d-c34596a7fe > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-cd3cd17e08-2751d093c2 > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 08:05:37 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Sep 3 06:50:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] microscopic orincoco ant plug In-Reply-To: <0338b4509230294MAIL001@mail001.magically.com> References: <0338b4509230294MAIL001@mail001.magically.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090305057404da20@mail.gmail.com> Hey, thanks. Just bring it to the meeting on the 8th. On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:09:45 -0700, dudenik@ftnetwork.com wrote: > hey Jeremy: > i found that plug for your wireless card after your presentation last meeting, tried the bigjinsa@satlug.org bot it bounced. > john mashl > dudenik@ftnetwork.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Visit the web site of the Financial Times at http://www.ft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Sep 3 09:05:07 2004 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Sep 3 07:49:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing List In-Reply-To: <128bff2f04090219542cfa932f@mail.gmail.com> "from Zeb Fletcher at Sep 2, 2004 09:54:56 pm" Message-ID: <20040903130507.35B4FDBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Does mailman allow for file attachments ? I have an E-mail that goes > out everyday that has an excel file attachment that is nearly 500kb. I > would like to be able to set something up so people can subscribe and > unsubscribe on ther own. Mailman *can* be configured to allow attachments, but there's no way I'd personally allow it unless the list was moderated: the current malware-infested environment has to be considered. You'll also have to bump up the max message size to accommodate whatever you'll be posting. All these things are configurable via the mailman admin interface (list owner). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 11:07:27 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Fri Sep 3 09:49:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox Message-ID: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Does anyone know how to turn three songs into one song using sox? Someone here at work is doing a presentation and needs to do this. I have plenty of music tools at home (sony soundforge comes to mind) but they need this today. Thanks! -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 3 12:17:38 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:00:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox In-Reply-To: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> Quoting "N. David Guarneri" : > Does anyone know how to turn three songs into one song using sox? > Someone here at work is doing a presentation and needs to do this. I > have plenty of music tools at home (sony soundforge comes to mind) but > they need this today. Thanks! > > -- > "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed > and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > cat? (linux) type? (windows) ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 12:28:24 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:10:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox In-Reply-To: <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> References: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> Message-ID: <1094236103.9744.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Yeah, cat did not work very well. I used ">" for the first file and then ">>" for the other files but it only seemed to record the first song. I opted to record each song to my sony minidisc and then record it back to the laptop. On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 09:17, Eli Cantu wrote: > Quoting "N. David Guarneri" : > > > Does anyone know how to turn three songs into one song using sox? > > Someone here at work is doing a presentation and needs to do this. I > > have plenty of music tools at home (sony soundforge comes to mind) but > > they need this today. Thanks! > > > > -- > > "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed > > and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > cat? (linux) > type? (windows) > > ~e > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From mester at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 12:31:44 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:15:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console Message-ID: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> Does anyone know if there is a VNC administration console available for Linux? At work, I currently use a Windows-based solution ( http://vncon.chronetal.co.uk/ ), but I would like to be able to do this from my Debian box. TIA. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 12:38:40 2004 From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (mattvaldes@satx.rr.com) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:22:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox Message-ID: <367af636a807.36a807367af6@texas.rr.com> Does it *have* to be sox? I'm not sure sox can do that.. If not, this should work: http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/linux-music.html#mp3wrap -Matt : > Does anyone know how to turn three songs into one >song using sox? > Someone here at work is doing a presentation and >needs to do this. I have plenty of music tools at >home (sony soundforge comes to > mind) but they need this today. Thanks! From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 3 12:47:27 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:29:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox In-Reply-To: <1094236103.9744.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> <1094236103.9744.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1094230047.f48b5b1c2c0f5@www.then7.com> Quoting "N. David Guarneri" : > Yeah, cat did not work very well. I used ">" for the first file and then > ">>" for the other files but it only seemed to record the first song. I > opted to record each song to my sony minidisc and then record it back to > the laptop. hmmm, oh well. worked for me on windows using mp3s. combined 3 just fine. ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 13:18:44 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Sep 3 12:03:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090310184e8172fe@mail.gmail.com> Hey, that looks neat! But to answer you're question, no I don't know of anything like for Linux. You might take a look at KDE's Remote Connection. I *think* it has a browse function. On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:31:44 -0500, Mike Ester wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a VNC administration console available for > Linux? > > At work, I currently use a Windows-based solution ( > http://vncon.chronetal.co.uk/ ), but I would like to be able to do this > from my Debian box. > > TIA. > > -- > Mike Ester > 830-822-2241 > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Sep 3 13:33:26 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Fri Sep 3 12:18:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> TightVNC I've used it in the past when doing the same thing you aretrying. Charles Mike Ester wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a VNC administration console available > for Linux? > > At work, I currently use a Windows-based solution ( > http://vncon.chronetal.co.uk/ ), but I would like to be able to do > this from my Debian box. > > TIA. > From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 14:31:14 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Fri Sep 3 13:13:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox In-Reply-To: <1094230047.f48b5b1c2c0f5@www.then7.com> References: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> <1094236103.9744.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <1094230047.f48b5b1c2c0f5@www.then7.com> Message-ID: <1094243473.9744.4.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 09:47, Eli Cantu wrote: > > worked for me on windows using mp3s. combined 3 just fine. > > ~e These were *.wmv . I asked them to get mp3's but they never got around. Fortunately I have Windows Media Player installed on my SUSE laptop. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 14:40:12 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri Sep 3 13:24:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20040903130507.35B4FDBDD@gherkin.frus.com> References: <128bff2f04090219542cfa932f@mail.gmail.com> <20040903130507.35B4FDBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f040903114042cc2b07@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:05:07 -0500 (CDT), Bob Tracy wrote: > > > Zeb Fletcher wrote: > > Does mailman allow for file attachments ? I have an E-mail that goes > > out everyday that has an excel file attachment that is nearly 500kb. I > > would like to be able to set something up so people can subscribe and > > unsubscribe on ther own. > > Mailman *can* be configured to allow attachments, but there's no way > I'd personally allow it unless the list was moderated: the current > malware-infested environment has to be considered. You'll also have > to bump up the max message size to accommodate whatever you'll be > posting. All these things are configurable via the mailman admin > interface (list owner). > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Sep 3 14:47:06 2004 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Sep 3 13:32:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest Message-ID: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> *InstallFest Tomorrow* We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed up to have Linux installed on their computers. The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for the WORKERS ONLY. I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from 9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. Steve From mester at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 15:17:19 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Fri Sep 3 14:01:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4138C33F.6040307@satx.rr.com> Charles D Hogan wrote: > TightVNC > > I've used it in the past when doing the same thing you aretrying. > > Charles > > Mike Ester wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is a VNC administration console available >> for Linux? >> >> At work, I currently use a Windows-based solution ( >> http://vncon.chronetal.co.uk/ ), but I would like to be able to do >> this from my Debian box. >> >> TIA. >> > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > I apologize for not making my scenario more specific. I already run VNC servers on the boxes in my computer labs, and use VNCon on a WinXP Pro box to log on to them. This is much faster than physically going from machine to machine. VNCon makes it easy to keep the IP addresses and name in a list that I can use to select the specific machine I want to connect to. I was just wondering if there was a Linux-based solution for this. Yes, I could use something like xvncviewer, but this would require me to manually enter the machine's address each time I wanted to connect. This gets cumbersome when I only have about 30 minutes between groups to log on 56 workstations and prepare them for a class. It would not be the end of the world if I didn't find one. It would just be cool to be able to do this from my Debian box; instead of my XP box. Unfortunately, I am not a coding Jedi, or I would just create one myself. On a side note, I really appreciate SATLUG letting me lurk on the mailing list. I learn a bit by reading the posts. Thanx to all for a friendly mailing list. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ From wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 20:10:55 2004 From: wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (WrkWatchr) Date: Fri Sep 3 14:10:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Help for a new Linux user at the SAC InstallFest References: <545786a604090216273b9b7990@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "john shanks" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Help for a new Linux user at the SAC InstallFest > I'm hoping to set up a dual boot on my laptop this Sat using XP. I > messed around with Red Hat a while ago, but I don't really know the > differences between the distributions. > > Can anyone give me advice about what will be there to put on, as well > as what you would recommend? > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John, I just went through the same exercise and learned a few things. Before you begin, search the net thoroughly and make sure your Distro of choice is compatible with your laptop...my original choice wasn't. Secondly, I found that Partition Magic was the easiest way to resize my original XP partition to give me room for the SuSE install I ended up using per the recommendations found on the internet. While RH wouldn't work, SuSE works fine. The newer your laptop is, the more likely you'll run into problems with the most common being video, display, sound and laptop power management. Bottom line...do your homework first. Roy From jmz at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 16:22:45 2004 From: jmz at satx.rr.com (John Ziriax) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:07:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <1094242965.21987.5.camel@klaus.home.net> I'm in. What distro's do they want? FCx RHx.... John On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 13:47, steve kolars wrote: > *InstallFest Tomorrow* > > We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed > up to have Linux installed on their computers. > > The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here > by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new > coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share > lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for > the WORKERS ONLY. > > I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from > 9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim > session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. > > Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Sep 3 16:34:53 2004 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:19:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1094242965.21987.5.camel@klaus.home.net> References: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> <1094242965.21987.5.camel@klaus.home.net> Message-ID: <4138D56D.1060707@cis.sac.accd.edu> John Ziriax wrote: >I'm in. What distro's do they want? FCx RHx.... > >John > >On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 13:47, steve kolars wrote: > > >>*InstallFest Tomorrow* >> >>We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed >>up to have Linux installed on their computers. >> >>The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here >>by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new >>coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share >>lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for >>the WORKERS ONLY. >> >>I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from >>9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim >>session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. >> >>Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. >> >>Steve >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > Typically we install Redhat 9.0. That is the distro we use in the class rooms. The students like to have the same distro at home. If it is someone that has just come in for the InstallFest, and they are not a student, then we normally install anything they want. From chardon47 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 14:50:09 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:34:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <20040903205009.57038.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Excuse my ignorance, but where is this located? steve kolars wrote:*InstallFest Tomorrow* We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed up to have Linux installed on their computers. The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for the WORKERS ONLY. I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from 9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. Steve _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Illegitimus non Carborundum" "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Fri Sep 3 16:54:42 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:38:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: <4138C33F.6040307@satx.rr.com> (Mike Ester's message of "Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:17:19 -0500") References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> <4138C33F.6040307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, Mike Ester said: > It would not be the end of the world if I didn't find one. It would > just be cool to be able to do this from my Debian box; instead of my > XP box. Unfortunately, I am not a coding Jedi, or I would just create > one myself. rathkopf@fester ~ 503 $ apt-cache show rfb Package: rfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 666 Maintainer: Ola Lundqvist Architecture: i386 Version: 0.6.1-6 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3-1), libxclass0, xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) Filename: pool/main/r/rfb/rfb_0.6.1-6_i386.deb Size: 263648 MD5sum: bc1613e2a8aeb85d43f7429594b5dca7 Description: VNC Server for X11 - exports current display Like the xvncserver package, x0rfbserver exports an X display using the RFB protocol. . Unlike xvncserver which creates a virtual X11 display to export, x0rfbserver actually exports the display it is run in... just like the windows VNC server. . Also included are rfb utilities to capture and replay RFB data streams, and a vnc viewer. -- Ted Rathkopf From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Sep 3 17:06:10 2004 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:51:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <20040903205009.57038.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903205009.57038.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4138DCC2.7060900@cis.sac.accd.edu> Bill wrote: >Excuse my ignorance, but where is this located? > >steve kolars wrote:*InstallFest Tomorrow* > >We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed >up to have Linux installed on their computers. > >The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here >by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new >coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share >lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for >the WORKERS ONLY. > >I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from >9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim >session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. > >Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > >Bill Hatfield K5KCR > >"Illegitimus non Carborundum" > >"Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > San Antonio College, Nail Technical Center, see map: http://www.accd.edu/sac/sacmain/map/sacmap.htm From junkmailer at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 19:23:52 2004 From: junkmailer at satx.rr.com (Luis) Date: Fri Sep 3 17:59:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack Message-ID: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> It appears that some one has found out that I have been using linux. In my /var/log/secure, I have found: Failed password for illegal user admin from 202.114.88.96 port 36122 ssh2 sshd[2479]: Failed password for illegal user test from 212.234.101.249 port 53231 ssh2 sshd[2573]: scanned from 66.15.86.156 with SSH-1.0-SSH_Version_Mapper. Don't panic. I have put them in my /etc/hosts.deny. cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd | while read a > do > passwd -S $a > done I did a nslookup on the IP address and a whois on the name server. I emailed the admin to let them know about the abuse fromtheir user. In the old days they used to knock off users for that. Any other suggestions? From leoem at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 19:33:34 2004 From: leoem at satx.rr.com (Leo E. Midha) Date: Fri Sep 3 18:17:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack In-Reply-To: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200409032333.i83NXRHv020859@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> Like the log says, don't panic. This are common probes. I wouldn't worry about it unless you say a successful login. If you still feel not secure, then I would suggest you look at setting up an iptables firewall ruleset which was "stealth" these kinds of ports. NetrixTardis -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT d--- s:- a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+++ N o- K--- w O+ M V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t++ 5++ X+ R* tv++ b+ DI+ D+ G e h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Luis Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:24 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack It appears that some one has found out that I have been using linux. In my /var/log/secure, I have found: Failed password for illegal user admin from 202.114.88.96 port 36122 ssh2 sshd[2479]: Failed password for illegal user test from 212.234.101.249 port 53231 ssh2 sshd[2573]: scanned from 66.15.86.156 with SSH-1.0-SSH_Version_Mapper. Don't panic. I have put them in my /etc/hosts.deny. cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd | while read a > do > passwd -S $a > done I did a nslookup on the IP address and a whois on the name server. I emailed the admin to let them know about the abuse fromtheir user. In the old days they used to knock off users for that. Any other suggestions? _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 21:57:52 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Sep 3 20:42:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack In-Reply-To: <200409032333.i83NXRHv020859@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> References: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> <200409032333.i83NXRHv020859@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <345e55a504090318572eb04839@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:33:34 -0500, Leo E. Midha wrote: > Like the log says, don't panic. This are common probes. I wouldn't worry > about it unless you say a successful login. I doubt that you would see a successful login (from a cracker) in that file. They would most likely cover their tracks. But I'm not a security expert. Greg From johnshanks at gmail.com Sat Sep 4 18:47:57 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Sat Sep 4 17:32:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE Message-ID: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the problem was, but I had to leave at 12. Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? From ziriax at gmail.com Sat Sep 4 23:20:22 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Sat Sep 4 22:04:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> John, Sadly, there was not really a fix for some of the computers. According to the theory we had at the time Grub changed the disk geometry table. There are instructions for fixing the table on the web, but they didn't work for the Sony desktop I was working on. From a brief review there's a lot on the web about this. I don't think that it is entirely limited to FC 2. Here's this link we were following the afternoon. At least is did not damage on the Sony. http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ Here's another link at RH. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg02143.html Another suggested setting the BIOS for the HD to LBA instead of auto. No joy for the Sony here either. This links suggests a way to fix windows, but make sure you have a Linux boot disk. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg01918.html I'm wondering if this is an XP/Linux problem. Possibly intentional on the part of..... Am I getting paranoid? Any how, I still have some reading to do. The bug didn't crop up in my install of RHEL with XP on my Inspiron 8600. Does anybody have anything to add from their experiences? I hate seeing people at the installfest have such troubles and we did a number of very successful installs. Including one on a dual processor Dell with XP and FC 2!!! Go figure. John On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:47:57 -0500, john shanks wrote: > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > _______________________________________________ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Sep 5 03:24:04 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Sep 5 02:08:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 802.11 pcmcia cards, polarization In-Reply-To: <41363F4D.1090703@liberto.org> References: <41363F4D.1090703@liberto.org> Message-ID: <200409050224.05520.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 04:29 pm, Andrew Hodel wrote: > Are 802.11 pcmcia cards vertically or horizontally polarized? It seems > they would be horizontally, however most external antenna on AP's are > vertically polarized (orientated at least). Considering that if most > cards are horizontally polarized, what is the reasoning behind this? Probably cost... they figure no one will care(?!)... But you're right. That being said though, there are vertically polarized cards available: http://www.spd.co.uk/product.asp?dept%5Fid=83&sku=394 But to metch tings up better at home, you can get yourself some H-polarized antenna for your home APs: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/base.shtml (or just turn your home AP antennas sideways.. ;) And you can now also get some really kick butt "Multi-polarization" or MP antennas out there now for your APs: http://www.connectronics.com/wifi_plus/ I think they're calling this "WiFi-Plus" or something stupid like that. Or.. if you're using the ORiNOCO Gold PC card the Jeremy recommends... You can get a little mini Vert antenna for your PC card: http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-58-ProdID-ARLXOMMINI2400.php Hmm.. seems like all the hard core W.drivers use this little ORiNOCO Gold... :u> Cheers, Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Sep 5 03:41:02 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Sep 5 02:25:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Bandwidth-o-meter? In-Reply-To: <1094070097.12054.3.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1094070097.12054.3.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <200409050241.02694.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Matt... It's probably build into the server you're wanting to test.. It's a daemon on most UN*X systems called "chargen". It runs on port 19, and on most modern linux systems it's a subdaemon of xinetd. You turn on the daemon, like this: # chkconfig --list |grep chargen chargen-udp: off chargen: off # chkconfig chargen on # chkconfig --list |grep chargen chargen-udp: off chargen: on Use UDP for real high speed tests, or tests taht have a lot of hops (I would guess). You telnet to this port and you get.. well.. a stream of char-data like this: # telnet theweeks.org 19 Trying 64.39.31.80... Connected to theweeks.org. Escape character is '^]'. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefgh "#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghi #$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghij $%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijk %&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijkl &'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklm '()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmn ()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmno )*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnop ... w/metrics from ifconfig or netmon... you can get max bandwidth stats... You get the picture? If you're running Windows(on the client side), there's a client called NetScanTools that has a build in chargen (bandwidth) client I think... http://www.extralan.co.uk/products/Diagnostic-Tools/NetScan-Tools-Pro.htm (check out the eval version) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Sep 5 04:13:06 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Sep 5 02:57:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack In-Reply-To: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> References: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200409050313.06570.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 03 September 2004 06:23 pm, Luis wrote: > It appears that some one has found out that I have been using linux. > > In my /var/log/secure, I have found: > > Failed password for illegal user admin from 202.114.88.96 port 36122 ssh2 > sshd[2479]: Failed password for illegal user test from 212.234.101.249 > port 53231 ssh2 > sshd[2573]: scanned from 66.15.86.156 with SSH-1.0-SSH_Version_Mapper. > Don't panic. Yeah... standard attempts when you're right on the internet... Couple of things to do... 1) Shut off sshv1 if not already off.. It's weak and has vulnerabilities: # cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... #Port 22 Protocol 2 #Protocol 2,1 #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 ... (sshv1 CRC exploit is actually how trinity hacked into the Matrix in reloaded: http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap_inthenews.html Guess they don't even patch against 200 year old exploits.. ;) Unless... getting portscanned by trinity is appealing to you.. ;) no.. never mind.. (not a word Craig!)... next... 2) Block all SSH access accept from your "Ok" IP range w/iptables ("/etc/sysconfig/iptables" in RedHat systems): -A INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.0.0/23 -d 0/0 -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT ... -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -j REJECT (warning.. this last one blocks is all... only use to lock out everything out you don't allow in. Also... stop using hosts.allow/deny after turning this on) 3) I recommend running portsentry along with your iptables: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sentrytools/ This'll keep portscanning kiddies off your back. Here's an article I wrote on it: http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=7459/uni1030462740022/ (if anyone sees any typos.. let me know.. my glassea are proken, it's 3am, and I'm a bit groggy...) Cheers, Tweeks From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sun Sep 5 09:42:34 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sun Sep 5 08:26:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail Tools Message-ID: <128bff2f040905064244f02660@mail.gmail.com> since about everyone has a gmail account now, check this link out for tools on using it more efficent. http://www.marklyon.org/gmail/gmailapps.htm There is a toolbar app for firefox. From bryan.scott at gmail.com Sun Sep 5 13:10:06 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Sun Sep 5 11:54:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Does not sound like fun. I have been fixing my laptop since yesterday about 7pm. I removed Debian, cause I did not like grub..... Well that hosed the whole thing. In reading on the web I booted to the XP install disk and ran several things from the Recovery console fixmbr fixboot blah blah, well none of that worked. So booted the trusty rusty Knoppix the cfdisk to reinit the partition (supposedly the fixmbr may hose the partition) Basically just changed the partition from bootable to non bootable then back again and wrote the partion. Then rebooted XP install cd when to the install selected repair and it fixed the disk problems, then and then ... Installed Fedora C2.... and all is back to normal. Dual booting with FC2 and XP. I hope this helps, what I think happened was I corrupted the boot process and Windows was having no part of this so I ended up with the "Error loading operating system" msg. Oh BTW you may need to copy ntldr and ntdetect.com over to the "C:" Partition. and finally you may need to run bootcfg. Here are some links that helped me out. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/r_c_cmds.htm http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20668158.html http://www.techsupportforum.com/archive/index.php/t-9142.html http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20931986.html -Bryan -Bryan On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:20:22 -0500, John Ziriax wrote: > John, > > Sadly, there was not really a fix for some of the computers. According > to the theory we had at the time Grub changed the disk geometry table. > There are instructions for fixing the table on the web, but they > didn't work for the Sony desktop I was working on. From a brief review > there's a lot on the web about this. I don't think that it is entirely > limited to FC 2. > > Here's this link we were following the afternoon. At least is did not > damage on the Sony. > http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ > > Here's another link at RH. > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg02143.html > > Another suggested setting the BIOS for the HD to LBA instead of auto. > No joy for the Sony here either. > > This links suggests a way to fix windows, but make sure you have a > Linux boot disk. > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg01918.html > > I'm wondering if this is an XP/Linux problem. Possibly intentional on > the part of..... > Am I getting paranoid? > > Any how, I still have some reading to do. The bug didn't crop up in my > install of RHEL with XP on my Inspiron 8600. > > Does anybody have anything to add from their experiences? I hate > seeing people at the installfest have such troubles and we did a > number of very successful installs. Including one on a dual processor > Dell with XP and FC 2!!! Go figure. > > John > > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:47:57 -0500, john shanks wrote: > > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From ziriax at gmail.com Sun Sep 5 13:45:17 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Sun Sep 5 12:29:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: References: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e04090510457a3c6ac3@mail.gmail.com> Brian, Thanks for the links. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it. I don't have access to any of the affected machines or even an XP machine. If the people who are working on these machines could keep the list posted, maybe we could avoid this in the future. John On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:10:06 -0500, Bryan Scott wrote: > Does not sound like fun. I have been fixing my laptop since yesterday > about 7pm. I removed Debian, cause I did not like grub..... Well that > hosed the whole thing. In reading on the web I booted to the XP > install disk and ran several things from the Recovery console > > fixmbr > fixboot > > blah blah, well none of that worked. So booted the trusty rusty > Knoppix the cfdisk to reinit the partition (supposedly the fixmbr may > hose the partition) Basically just changed the partition from bootable > to non bootable then back again and wrote the partion. Then rebooted > XP install cd when to the install selected repair and it fixed the > disk problems, then and then ... Installed Fedora C2.... and all is > back to normal. Dual booting with FC2 and XP. I hope this helps, what > I think happened was I corrupted the boot process and Windows was > having no part of this so I ended up with the "Error loading operating > system" msg. Oh BTW you may need to copy ntldr and ntdetect.com over > to the "C:" Partition. and finally you may need to run bootcfg. > > Here are some links that helped me out. > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/r_c_cmds.htm > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20668158.html > http://www.techsupportforum.com/archive/index.php/t-9142.html > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20931986.html > > -Bryan > > -Bryan > > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:20:22 -0500, John Ziriax wrote: > > John, > > > > Sadly, there was not really a fix for some of the computers. According > > to the theory we had at the time Grub changed the disk geometry table. > > There are instructions for fixing the table on the web, but they > > didn't work for the Sony desktop I was working on. From a brief review > > there's a lot on the web about this. I don't think that it is entirely > > limited to FC 2. > > > > Here's this link we were following the afternoon. At least is did not > > damage on the Sony. > > http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ > > > > Here's another link at RH. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg02143.html > > > > Another suggested setting the BIOS for the HD to LBA instead of auto. > > No joy for the Sony here either. > > > > This links suggests a way to fix windows, but make sure you have a > > Linux boot disk. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg01918.html > > > > I'm wondering if this is an XP/Linux problem. Possibly intentional on > > the part of..... > > Am I getting paranoid? > > > > Any how, I still have some reading to do. The bug didn't crop up in my > > install of RHEL with XP on my Inspiron 8600. > > > > Does anybody have anything to add from their experiences? I hate > > seeing people at the installfest have such troubles and we did a > > number of very successful installs. Including one on a dual processor > > Dell with XP and FC 2!!! Go figure. > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:47:57 -0500, john shanks wrote: > > > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > > > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > > > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > > > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > > > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > > > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > > > > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > -- John From joe.speigle at jklh.us Sun Sep 5 23:25:13 2004 From: joe.speigle at jklh.us (joseph speigle) Date: Sun Sep 5 22:44:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack In-Reply-To: <200409050313.06570.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>; from tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org on Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 03:13:06AM -0500 References: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> <200409050313.06570.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <20040905222513.B6748@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> to whom it may concern, > > 1) Shut off sshv1 if not already off.. It's weak and has vulnerabilities: > # cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config > ... > #Port 22 > Protocol 2 > #Protocol 2,1 > #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 > ... > > (sshv1 CRC exploit is actually how trinity hacked into the Matrix in reloaded: > http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap_inthenews.html > Guess they don't even patch against 200 year old exploits.. ;) > don't forget they were stuck in the 21st century, so the exploit may not have been that old. > Unless... getting portscanned by trinity is appealing to you.. ;) > no.. never mind.. > (not a word Craig!)... > > next... > > 2) Block all SSH access accept from your "Ok" IP range w/iptables > ("/etc/sysconfig/iptables" in RedHat systems): > -A INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.0.0/23 -d 0/0 -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT > ... > -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -j REJECT > > (warning.. this last one blocks is all... only use to lock out everything out > you don't allow in. Also... stop using hosts.allow/deny after turning this > on) > > 3) I recommend running portsentry along with your iptables: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/sentrytools/ > > This'll keep portscanning kiddies off your back. > > Here's an article I wrote on it: > http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=7459/uni1030462740022/ > > (if anyone sees any typos.. let me know.. my glassea are proken, it's 3am, and > I'm a bit groggy...) > > Cheers, I think it is worthwhile to mention that name-based attacks (trying to guess username/password combos) or faulty setup configs are usually brute-force attacks by a technologically naive person, unlike the attacks which you never know you were infiltrated, whichIIRC are buffer exploits, and which drop to a root shell without writing to any log files. joe, "just another san antonio linux group member" From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Sep 6 09:04:55 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Sep 6 07:49:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] database visualization Message-ID: <200409061304.i86D4tRj032317@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Can someone recommend a stable, well-functional database visualization tool that can generate diagrams of connected database structures, foreign key constraints, that allows me to manipulate the layout in a graphical way. I tried dbViZ before, but development stopped and it never functioned correctly. Ideally, I would like to import a MySQL database definition file and have the program generate the database's graphical representation. Thanks, -Borries From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Sep 5 16:03:33 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Sep 6 07:51:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Skype Message-ID: <200409061307.i86D7f1W000598@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Has anyone here in SA used Skype for Linux yet? For those of you who don't know what Skype is (http://www.skype.com/): It's an application that let's you use a headset, broadband connection and a computer (Windows, Linux, Mac-OSX) with a sound card as a telephone. Anyone who is running skype can talk VoIP (voice over IP) to another skype user for *free*, regardless where in the world the other person is. For a very modest fee (2-3 cents/min), you can also call anyone in the world. It just installed it on my Linux box, it seems to work just fine, now I am looking for someone here in SA who wants to talk over skype so I can test it out. Anyone willing to give me a call? (userID: borries_demeler) For more information, take a look at today's New York Times article on skype. In Internet Calling, Skype Is Living Up to the Hype By JAMES FALLOWS Skype is the easiest, fastest and cheapest way for individual customers to use their computers with broadband connections as telephones. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/05/business/yourmoney/05tech.html?th -Borries From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Mon Sep 6 11:45:39 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Mon Sep 6 10:29:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> I had a similar problem with my HP Pavilion ze4400. I fought and fought trying to get a dual boot with XP and RH9. I did all my reading on the internet and discovered several recommendations that were similar...disable, this, change that kind of recommendations. All of these were to no avail. After several days of significant aggravation, I persevered and finally in a users group reply that I found I discovered someone who had successfully accomplished what I wanted to do...almost. Basically, I discovered my laptop was not RH friendly, but it was SuSE friendly. I tried SuSE 8.2 professional, and it installed easily and has been working without a hitch. My recommendation is that if RH/FC isn't working, try SuSE or other Distros until you find one that works the way you want. Hope this helps. Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of John Ziriax Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:20 PM To: john shanks; The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE John, Sadly, there was not really a fix for some of the computers. According to the theory we had at the time Grub changed the disk geometry table. There are instructions for fixing the table on the web, but they didn't work for the Sony desktop I was working on. From a brief review there's a lot on the web about this. I don't think that it is entirely limited to FC 2. Here's this link we were following the afternoon. At least is did not damage on the Sony. http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ Here's another link at RH. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg02143.html Another suggested setting the BIOS for the HD to LBA instead of auto. No joy for the Sony here either. This links suggests a way to fix windows, but make sure you have a Linux boot disk. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg01918.html I'm wondering if this is an XP/Linux problem. Possibly intentional on the part of..... Am I getting paranoid? Any how, I still have some reading to do. The bug didn't crop up in my install of RHEL with XP on my Inspiron 8600. Does anybody have anything to add from their experiences? I hate seeing people at the installfest have such troubles and we did a number of very successful installs. Including one on a dual processor Dell with XP and FC 2!!! Go figure. John On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:47:57 -0500, john shanks wrote: > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From ziriax at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 12:01:43 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Mon Sep 6 10:46:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> References: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <31bde60e04090609012e382404@mail.gmail.com> Roy, Thanks for the suggestion. That's one of my favorite solutions, and the reason, or so I tell myself, that I download and burn so many distros. And, I think that was tried out of desperation with some of the systems. We were limited by the needs of the class which required RH9, so we were mostly stuck with RH9 and FC 1 & 2. We did set up on Compaq laptop with Knoppix because none of the RH distros would the keyboard. In a prior installfest, I put Libranet 2.7 on a laptop and it worked quite nicely, finding almost all of the hardware and adding lots of laptop tools. Our biggest problem was that this hit us on several computers with XP (all HPs and a Sony) at the same time. We were not prepared as I don't think many SATLUGGERS are running XP. I had read the warning about FC2 and XP when it came out, but had forgotten it by the installfest. Plus, and this is the part that confuses me, the fixes for that particular bug did not work!! John On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:45:39 -0500, Wrkwatchr wrote: > I had a similar problem with my HP Pavilion ze4400. I fought and fought > trying to get a dual boot with XP and RH9. I did all my reading on the > internet and discovered several recommendations that were similar...disable, > this, change that kind of recommendations. All of these were to no avail. > After several days of significant aggravation, I persevered and finally in a > users group reply that I found I discovered someone who had successfully > accomplished what I wanted to do...almost. Basically, I discovered my laptop > was not RH friendly, but it was SuSE friendly. I tried SuSE 8.2 > professional, and it installed easily and has been working without a hitch. > My recommendation is that if RH/FC isn't working, try SuSE or other Distros > until you find one that works the way you want. > > Hope this helps. > > Roy > -- John From ziriax at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 12:06:07 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Mon Sep 6 10:50:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail and top/bottom posting Message-ID: <31bde60e04090609064ba122ac@mail.gmail.com> I ducked out on the last top/bottom posting discussion. I remember someone mentioning that Gmail tended to produce top posting, but I noticed that the signature is inserted at the bottom. Is there any other "feature" of Gmail which pushes us one way or the other. Reply starts you at the top of the message. Personally, I think we are going to be stuck with both, and for some messages, say with lists of questions, I've been inclined to weave my responses into the original message just using separate lines and margins. -- John From rthomas at texas.net Mon Sep 6 12:28:17 2004 From: rthomas at texas.net (Robert J. Thomas) Date: Mon Sep 6 11:12:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE References: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> <31bde60e04090609012e382404@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01c4942e$84cf96a0$c901a8c0@Tomservo> Friends, Have you considered using the Windows Bootloader? I have used the instructions found at: http://www.littlewhitedog.com/content-52.html and have successfully installed Fedora Core 1 with Windows 2000. I am guessing that you could do the same for XP. This might be a good work-around for most any distro. Best Regards, -Bob T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ziriax" To: "Wrkwatchr" Cc: "The San Antonio Linux User's GroupMailing List" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE > Roy, > > Thanks for the suggestion. That's one of my favorite solutions, and > the reason, or so I tell myself, that I download and burn so many > distros. And, I think that was tried out of desperation with some of > the systems. We were limited by the needs of the class which required > RH9, so we were mostly stuck with RH9 and FC 1 & 2. We did set up on > Compaq laptop with Knoppix because none of the RH distros would the > keyboard. > > In a prior installfest, I put Libranet 2.7 on a laptop and it worked > quite nicely, finding almost all of the hardware and adding lots of > laptop tools. > > Our biggest problem was that this hit us on several computers with XP > (all HPs and a Sony) at the same time. We were not prepared as I don't > think many SATLUGGERS are running XP. I had read the warning about FC2 > and XP when it came out, but had forgotten it by the installfest. > Plus, and this is the part that confuses me, the fixes for that > particular bug did not work!! > > John > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:45:39 -0500, Wrkwatchr wrote: > > I had a similar problem with my HP Pavilion ze4400. I fought and fought > > trying to get a dual boot with XP and RH9. I did all my reading on the > > internet and discovered several recommendations that were similar...disable, > > this, change that kind of recommendations. All of these were to no avail. > > After several days of significant aggravation, I persevered and finally in a > > users group reply that I found I discovered someone who had successfully > > accomplished what I wanted to do...almost. Basically, I discovered my laptop > > was not RH friendly, but it was SuSE friendly. I tried SuSE 8.2 > > professional, and it installed easily and has been working without a hitch. > > My recommendation is that if RH/FC isn't working, try SuSE or other Distros > > until you find one that works the way you want. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Roy > > > > > -- > John > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 12:43:33 2004 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Mon Sep 6 11:27:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysql service problem Message-ID: <99af515b04090609432e8ec95b@mail.gmail.com> I have a strange problem with Mysql... everytime i start it running the command "service mysqld start" from root I recieve the following. [root@Phoenix log]# service mysqld start Timeout error occurred trying to start MySQL Daemon. Starting MySQL: [FAILED] I check the logs for the failure to find none... tail from log. [root@Phoenix log]# tail mysqld.log 040906 11:29:06 mysqld started /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown Complete 040906 11:36:44 mysqld ended 040906 11:36:50 mysqld started /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections I am able to login and work with I just find it very perplexing that it is not starting successfully. Also it seems to be trying to run in safe mode. root 5158 0.0 0.5 4248 1144 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --defau mysql 5182 0.0 2.2 29696 5112 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 /usr/libexec/mysqld --defaults-file= Is this correct can anyone verify this for me. As i am not sure this is the correct way of it starting. Thankyou ahead of time. Caleb From johnshanks at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 13:19:23 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Mon Sep 6 12:03:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <003d01c4942e$84cf96a0$c901a8c0@Tomservo> References: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> <31bde60e04090609012e382404@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c4942e$84cf96a0$c901a8c0@Tomservo> Message-ID: <545786a6040906101947209d8a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the suggestions. For now, I'm starting to wonder whether I really need XP, and am looking at programs like Wine. Does anyone have experience with that sort of thing? From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 13:25:54 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Sep 6 12:10:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysql service problem In-Reply-To: <99af515b04090609432e8ec95b@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b04090609432e8ec95b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0409061025625cec28@mail.gmail.com> Caleb, Did you remove the anonymous user ? if so you need to make a change to the /etc/init.d/mysqld file here is the part to look for: # If you've removed anonymous users, this line must be changed to # use a user that is allowed to ping mysqld. ping="/usr/bin/mysqladmin -uUNKNOWN_MYSQL_USER ping" this is located in the start function of the script there is nothing wrong with the way your starting it others correct me if I'm wrong but root start safe-mysqld and then forks it over to user mysql who starts the actual database so you will see mysql-safe and mysqld On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:43:33 -0500, Caleb Wylie wrote: > I have a strange problem with Mysql... everytime i start it running > the command "service mysqld start" from root I recieve the following. > > [root@Phoenix log]# service mysqld start > Timeout error occurred trying to start MySQL Daemon. > Starting MySQL: [FAILED] > > I check the logs for the failure to find none... tail from log. > > [root@Phoenix log]# tail mysqld.log > 040906 11:29:06 mysqld started > /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections > 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown > > 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown Complete > > 040906 11:36:44 mysqld ended > > 040906 11:36:50 mysqld started > /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections > > I am able to login and work with I just find it very perplexing that > it is not starting successfully. Also it seems to be trying to run in > safe mode. > > root 5158 0.0 0.5 4248 1144 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 /bin/sh > /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --defau > mysql 5182 0.0 2.2 29696 5112 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 > /usr/libexec/mysqld --defaults-file= > > Is this correct can anyone verify this for me. As i am not sure this > is the correct way of it starting. > > Thankyou ahead of time. > > Caleb > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From Bamse at playstation2-linux.com Mon Sep 6 13:48:54 2004 From: Bamse at playstation2-linux.com (Bamse) Date: Mon Sep 6 12:35:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 More GMail Invites... Message-ID: <413CA306.60605@playstation2-linux.com> E-mail me off-line... I need Name and E-mail... bamse at playstation2-linux dot com /Bamse From ziriax at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 14:49:05 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Mon Sep 6 13:33:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <545786a6040906101947209d8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> <31bde60e04090609012e382404@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c4942e$84cf96a0$c901a8c0@Tomservo> <545786a6040906101947209d8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e0409061149488d8418@mail.gmail.com> John I use CrossOver Office with MS Office and it works just fine. Some small twitches, but nothing major. I also use "unsupported" applications with moderate success. For some of the older programs the installer will fail, but if you copy the files to the appropriate place, the programs work just fine. My current project is Sigma Plot 9.0. The demo works just file, but the registered version dies. I've used Outlook, and the Codeweavers mailing lists suggest that lots of other programs are being used as well. I hope this helps. John On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:19:23 -0500, john shanks wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions. For now, I'm starting to wonder > whether I really need XP, and am looking at programs like Wine. Does > anyone have experience with that sort of thing? > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- John From dubose at texas.net Mon Sep 6 17:05:35 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Mon Sep 6 15:47:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RPM Errors Message-ID: <413CD11F.ABD656D3@texas.net> I am using ManDrake 8.2 and tried to loading an RPM and got the following: error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #483 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. Package LinPKTerm-0.14-1 is already installed rpmdb: Overflow page 3085 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3112 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3142 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3184 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3205 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3211 has bogus prev_pgno value rpmdb: Overflow item incomplete on page 3211 rpmdb: Overflow page 3084 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3093 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3108 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3128 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3138 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3144 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3147 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3192 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3302 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3307 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3105 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3136 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3146 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3194 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3209 of invalid type error: db3 error(-30985) from db->verify : DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database verification Failed Any idea what happened? I did an rpm --rebuilddb and got lots of error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #483 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #487 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #491 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #495 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #499 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #502 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #482 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #484 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #486 retrieved, ski