From netrixtardis at austin.rr.com Fri Apr 1 01:07:15 2005 From: netrixtardis at austin.rr.com (NetrixTardis) Date: Fri Apr 1 00:46:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace In-Reply-To: <200503312233.12534.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200504010707.j3177HU5021105@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> Well, do you mind if I send you my resume as well? I've been applying thru the online system with not much luck. Leo Midha (NetrixTardis) > On Thursday 31 March 2005 08:36, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Tweeks: > > > > Do you work at Rackspace? > > Well.. I got a paycheck today.. so I guess I still do.. :) > > > > I noticed you mentioned something about Rackspace in one of your > > posts. If so, what do you do over there? > > More busy work as of late.. But I think my title is "Lead > Systems Engineer, SMB Devision" or something like that. > > > > I'd > > like to ask you a few more questions about it if you don't mind. > > Let's take it off list.. If it's about getting a job.. send > it to my work > address (below). > > Tweeks > Thomas Weeks aka "Tweeks" > Lead Systems Engineer > Rackspace Managed Hosting > tweeks@rackspace.com > > > > thanks > > > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Apr 1 08:27:43 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Apr 1 08:07:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Review OpenSource Fest Web Page Message-ID: <424D5A5F.4050309@cis.sac.accd.edu> I tend to make very boring web pages. Thanks to Don the OpenSource web page now has a better look. I made several changes, and am sure that I missed something somewhere. We need your help in reviewing the new page. If you find any errors please e-mail me right away: skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. Steve From jr7958 at sbc.com Fri Apr 1 09:27:58 2005 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Fri Apr 1 09:07:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] ok one more test from over here Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E381@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Got it. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Goller Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:54 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] ok one more test from over here since my real email doesnt go through, how about this one? thanks, Daniel _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 10:41:07 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:20:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] ok one more test from over here In-Reply-To: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E381@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E381@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0504010841c82ca02@mail.gmail.com> Same here.. Loud and clear On Apr 1, 2005 9:27 AM, REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI) wrote: > Got it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf Of Daniel Goller > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:54 PM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] ok one more test from over here > > since my real email doesnt go through, how about this one? > > thanks, > > Daniel > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Apr 1 11:01:01 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:40:15 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Review OpenSource Fest Web Page In-Reply-To: <424D5A5F.4050309@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <424D5A5F.4050309@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <0dvq41tnu35ssnd0ca3g6tebs8q3ifn81a@4ax.com> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:27:43 -0600, steve kolars wrote: > We need your help in reviewing the new >page. If you find any errors please e-mail me right away: >skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. . Reminder: The OpenSource Fest page is now featured on www.satlug.org as well as http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ - so please tell your friends! From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Fri Apr 1 17:23:49 2005 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Fri Apr 1 17:02:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Slackware packages (current? 10.1? 10.0?) Message-ID: <050901c53711$dd7289d0$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> I'm trying to figure out just exactly how the package browser at slackware.com (http://www.slackware.com/pb/) works as far as which packages I should/can use to upgrade my Slack 10.0 system. I know that, obviously, any packages I search for under Slackware 10.0 will work for me. However, I'd like to upgrade KDE to version 3.4 and at this point, KDE 3.4 packages are only available under Slackware-Current. I'd like to not have to compile KDE from scratch, and so was wondering, can I use packages from Slackware-Current on my Slack 10 system? Or do I need to upgrade to 10.1? Thanks in advance for any tips or pointers, as I can't seem to find the answer to my question on the Slackware site. David From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 18:03:15 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Apr 1 17:42:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Slackware packages (current? 10.1? 10.0?) In-Reply-To: <050901c53711$dd7289d0$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> References: <050901c53711$dd7289d0$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> Message-ID: <79ec289f0504011603bdde248@mail.gmail.com> For that, consider using swaret (http://swaret.sourceforge.net). We mirror all of slackware so you can use our repository in your swaret.conf file: ftp://biochem2.uthscsa.edu/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-$VERSION Slackware-10.1 *is* slackware-current but was branched off when 10.1 was released. You should be ok using the 10.1 packages on your system. Just be sure to check if glibc was updated. If so, you might as well update to 10.1 (using our mirror of course), then use those -current packages. Also, check www.linuxpackages.net. Somebody on there may have already compiled KDE 3.4 for 10.0. Good Luck! On Apr 1, 2005 5:23 PM, David Salisbury wrote: > I'm trying to figure out just exactly how the package browser at > slackware.com (http://www.slackware.com/pb/) works as far as which packages > I should/can use to upgrade my Slack 10.0 system. I know that, obviously, > any packages I search for under Slackware 10.0 will work for me. However, > I'd like to upgrade KDE to version 3.4 and at this point, KDE 3.4 packages > are only available under Slackware-Current. I'd like to not have to compile > KDE from scratch, and so was wondering, can I use packages from > Slackware-Current on my Slack 10 system? Or do I need to upgrade to 10.1? > > Thanks in advance for any tips or pointers, as I can't seem to find the > answer to my question on the Slackware site. > > David > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Apr 1 19:19:45 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Apr 1 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Slackware packages (current? 10.1? 10.0?) In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0504011603bdde248@mail.gmail.com> "from Jeremy Mann at Apr 1, 2005 06:03:15 pm" Message-ID: <20050402011945.1E982DBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > Just be sure to check if glibc was updated. If so, you might as well > update to 10.1 (using our mirror of course), then use those -current > packages. As Jeremy suggests, the glibc version is going to be the key as to whether the slackware-current packages will work on your system without upgrading more than you had planned. You can download one of the KDE packages of interest, manually extract it into some innocuous place other than the root directory (!), and run "ldd" on a few of the major libraries/executables in the package. Compare the GLIBC version against what you've currently got on your system, and that should tell you what you (didn't) want to know :-). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Apr 1 19:29:50 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Apr 1 19:08:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] gnucash on Slackware 10.0 Message-ID: <20050402012950.145AFDBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Anyone got this critter built/working on a recent slackware distro? I'm attempting to build it on 10.0, and discovering that gnucash is *extremely* dependent on gnome (as opposed to gnome2) libraries. Our friend google points to some helpful hints for folks trying to get gnucash running on slackware-9+ systems, and the basic strategy seems to be to go get the needed older stuff from slackware-8.1. As distasteful as that is, the good news is the older stuff can coexist with the new just fine. Perhaps what I'm *really* asking is how the developer community codes their configure scripts to detect/use the gnome2 features. The older libraries have neat scripts such as /usr/bin/gtk-config that configure script authors use to extract the needed version and location info. It would be neat if the gnucash community would consider updating their code to use the current libraries, but that isn't something *I'm* gonna do... Got too many responsibilities to be the hacker I used to be unless it's a "pay fer" job :-). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Apr 1 19:37:53 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Apr 1 19:16:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] gnucash on Slackware 10.0 In-Reply-To: <20050402012950.145AFDBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <200504020137.j321brKT000907@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Jeremy got it working after a lot of hacking on our box. Jeremy, can you comment on this question? After reviewing it, I was a bit disappointed since it failed to import the QIF files I had even though it claimed it could do it. Perhaps I did something wrong, but tweaking and hacking is definitely the modus operandi on this software package. -Borries > > Anyone got this critter built/working on a recent slackware distro? > I'm attempting to build it on 10.0, and discovering that gnucash is > *extremely* dependent on gnome (as opposed to gnome2) libraries. > Our friend google points to some helpful hints for folks trying to > get gnucash running on slackware-9+ systems, and the basic strategy > seems to be to go get the needed older stuff from slackware-8.1. As > distasteful as that is, the good news is the older stuff can coexist > with the new just fine. > > Perhaps what I'm *really* asking is how the developer community codes > their configure scripts to detect/use the gnome2 features. The older > libraries have neat scripts such as /usr/bin/gtk-config that configure > script authors use to extract the needed version and location info. > > It would be neat if the gnucash community would consider updating > their code to use the current libraries, but that isn't something > *I'm* gonna do... Got too many responsibilities to be the hacker > I used to be unless it's a "pay fer" job :-). > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From morfic at gentoo.org Fri Apr 1 23:37:24 2005 From: morfic at gentoo.org (Daniel Goller) Date: Fri Apr 1 23:26:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] unsigned test Message-ID: <424E2F94.9080805@gentoo.org> ok ill write this one w/o signature does it get through? From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 23:50:09 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Apr 1 23:29:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Slackware packages (current? 10.1? 10.0?) In-Reply-To: <20050402011945.1E982DBDD@gherkin.frus.com> References: <79ec289f0504011603bdde248@mail.gmail.com> <20050402011945.1E982DBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <277020fc05040121505d78a1e7@mail.gmail.com> > As Jeremy suggests, the glibc version is going to be the key as to > whether the slackware-current packages will work on your system without > upgrading more than you had planned. You can download one of the KDE > packages of interest, manually extract it into some innocuous place > other than the root directory (!), and run "ldd" on a few of the > major libraries/executables in the package. Compare the GLIBC version > against what you've currently got on your system, and that should tell > you what you (didn't) want to know :-). At the risk of starting a distro flamewar, I would suggest that the above procedure is far too complicated. I like my GNU/Linux to 'just work'. Thank the powers that be for apt and yum. From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 00:28:25 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Apr 2 00:07:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] unsigned test In-Reply-To: <424E2F94.9080805@gentoo.org> References: <424E2F94.9080805@gentoo.org> Message-ID: Got it. Got the first one too. On Apr 1, 2005 11:37 PM, Daniel Goller wrote: > ok ill write this one w/o signature > does it get through? > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From morfic at gentoo.org Sat Apr 2 11:29:02 2005 From: morfic at gentoo.org (Daniel Goller) Date: Sat Apr 2 11:09:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] unsigned test In-Reply-To: <424E2F94.9080805@gentoo.org> References: <424E2F94.9080805@gentoo.org> Message-ID: <424ED65E.60608@gentoo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Goller wrote: | ok ill write this one w/o signature | does it get through? | | _______________________________________________ | SATLUG mailing list | SATLUG@satlug.org | http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug | ok, seems like mystery halfway solved, let's hope not signed message are still really from me ;P hm, unless i try this one. please bear with me, then again if my idea doesnt work, you wont see anything anyway ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCTtZeUpKYMelfdYERAmzGAJ9enh9l/Bu4OiyEHfoyjZyiUyuCKQCdGHjx Ehc/N88NxKIZXc2/CmTm+Gk= =uWXN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 13:53:10 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sat Apr 2 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple repair center Message-ID: <424EF826.3040602@sbcglobal.net> Does anybody have a suggestion for a Apple repair center here in San Antonio ? I'm in need of some repair on a used iBook. Thanks Zeb From rwegner at satx.rr.com Sat Apr 2 18:26:40 2005 From: rwegner at satx.rr.com (Richard Wegner) Date: Sat Apr 2 18:05:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple repair center In-Reply-To: <424EF826.3040602@sbcglobal.net> References: <424EF826.3040602@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <424F3840.3030506@satx.rr.com> Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Does anybody have a suggestion for a Apple repair center here in San > Antonio ? I'm in need of some repair on a used iBook. > > > Thanks > > Zeb > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Try checking the phone book for that Apple dealer in town, they might do it or know who does. From eli at then7.com Sat Apr 2 19:23:35 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sat Apr 2 19:11:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Slackware packages [ LONG] In-Reply-To: <277020fc05040121505d78a1e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0504011603bdde248@mail.gmail.com> <20050402011945.1E982DBDD@gherkin.frus.com> <277020fc05040121505d78a1e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1110.67.11.198.92.1112491415.squirrel@67.11.198.92> > At the risk of starting a distro flamewar, I would suggest that the > above procedure is far too complicated. I like my GNU/Linux to 'just > work'. Thank the powers that be for apt and yum. > _______________________________________________ I don't think you understand the dilemma here. Most linux distribution maintainers have to choose what versions of software will be included with release xyz. Example: Fedora Core 3 maintainers chose Abiword 2.0.12 to include with FC3. They didn't chose a later version, they didn't chose an earlier version. 2.0.12 was the latest they felt comfortable including. As long as FC3 exists, the Fedora Core 3 maintainers will NEVER release a later version of Abiword. PERIOD. Now you might see bug fixes and security fixes to 2.0.12. So you might go from 2.0.12-2 to 2.0.12-7, but your still using 2.0.12. same version, same features. You can apt-get all day long and you'll never pull a version of Abiword greater then 2.0.12-x for FC3. Not from the official repository you won't. Now if someone suggests "compile it yourself", or "download from a third party repository", or "my buddy down the street compiled it and gave me the package"...that's completely different. It would be quite easy to go get the latest stable release of Abiword source and compile it by hand on FC3. In fact you can go to the Abiword homepage and download an 2.2.5 rpm for FC3. Or configure apt with an entry for a third party repository and simply apt-get it. But this isn't anything special on FC3. These options are possible on just about all mainstream distros. Red Hat or FC3 doesn't hold a monopoly on third party pre-compiled packages. I can't think of a single mainstream distro that doesn't have some kind of apt-get functionality. just a few examples: debian: apt yellow dog: yum & apt redhat: apt & yum (apt ported from debian and yum from yellow dog) mandrake: urpmi & apt suse: yast & apt slackware: swaret & slapt-get (apt workalike) gentoo: portage freebsd: ports & portinstall anyway, package management is overrated in my book. I think when one is a bit new to linux, going through the whole dependencies chain nightmare causes shock to most newbs, i know it did for me. e.g: "rpm -ivh bluebird-3.4.2.rpm" [cannot install bluebird-3.4.2, bluebird-3.4.2 requires yellowtail-7.1.2] "rpm -ivh yellowtail.rpm" [cannot install yellowtail. yellowtail-7.1.2 requires frenchfry-0.99.8] "rpm -ivh frenchfry-0.99.8.rpm" [you guessed it, frenchfry has a dependency too] This tends to make one focus on dependencies and package management as the "big problem with linux". apt-get comes along(or the newbs discover it) and everyone is singing it's praises. i know, i sang the praises too. i'm glad apt-get type functionality is widely available. it lets us move on to more important things, then tracking down dependencies for trivial packages. but the most important packages on my servers are the ones that I require specific versioning and behavior from. Those are almost always hand-compiled. Slack with it's "unmodified sources" low-profile type philosophy make it easy for a relative newbie like me to compile stuff like php, postfix, cyrus, apache, postgresql & sasl with very specific options. I hope this helps. ~e From satlug at fusemeister.com Sat Apr 2 20:26:38 2005 From: satlug at fusemeister.com (Brinkley Harrell) Date: Sat Apr 2 20:05:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple repair center In-Reply-To: <424F3840.3030506@satx.rr.com> References: <424EF826.3040602@sbcglobal.net> <424F3840.3030506@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <424F545E.9000102@fusemeister.com> Richard Wegner wrote: > Zeb Fletcher wrote: > >> Does anybody have a suggestion for a Apple repair center here in San >> Antonio ? I'm in need of some repair on a used iBook. >> MacTLC on Nakoma. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brinkley Harrell http://www.fusemeister.com From maquaro at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 11:41:13 2005 From: maquaro at yahoo.com (Dale Offret Jr.) Date: Sun Apr 3 10:19:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple repair center In-Reply-To: <424F545E.9000102@fusemeister.com> References: <424EF826.3040602@sbcglobal.net> <424F3840.3030506@satx.rr.com> <424F545E.9000102@fusemeister.com> Message-ID: <20050403104113.5975dc93@dargonesti> CompUSA does Mac work, certified and all. Might be a little pricier than MacTLC Dale Offret Jr. > Richard Wegner wrote: > > Zeb Fletcher wrote: > > > >> Does anybody have a suggestion for a Apple repair center here in San > >> Antonio ? I'm in need of some repair on a used iBook. > >> > > MacTLC on Nakoma. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Brinkley Harrell > http://www.fusemeister.com > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Apr 3 20:23:48 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Apr 3 18:02:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Slackware packages [ LONG] In-Reply-To: <1110.67.11.198.92.1112491415.squirrel@67.11.198.92> References: <79ec289f0504011603bdde248@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc05040121505d78a1e7@mail.gmail.com> <1110.67.11.198.92.1112491415.squirrel@67.11.198.92> Message-ID: <200504031923.48856.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 02 April 2005 20:23, Eli wrote: > > At the risk of starting a distro flamewar, I would suggest that the > > above procedure is far too complicated. I like my GNU/Linux to 'just > > work'. Thank the powers that be for apt and yum. > > _______________________________________________ > > I don't think you understand the dilemma here. Most linux distribution > maintainers have to choose what versions of software will be included > with release xyz. > > Example: > Fedora Core 3 maintainers chose Abiword 2.0.12 to include with FC3. > They didn't chose a later version, they didn't chose an earlier > version. 2.0.12 was the latest they felt comfortable including. > > As long as FC3 exists, the Fedora Core 3 maintainers will NEVER release > a later version of Abiword. PERIOD. Have you added he DAG and Linva repositories to your /etc/yum.repos.d/ directory? They use the same base deps three (from what I understand) and have a lot of stuff that normal RH based FC lacks (e.g. real mp3 stuff, updated packages, etc). Tweeks From chmims at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 19:26:25 2005 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Sun Apr 3 18:05:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple repair center In-Reply-To: <424EF826.3040602@sbcglobal.net> References: <424EF826.3040602@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <9e4edf58050403162640a081ee@mail.gmail.com> Imagiq on NW Military. www.imagiq.com On Apr 2, 2005 2:53 PM, Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Does anybody have a suggestion for a Apple repair center here in San > Antonio ? I'm in need of some repair on a used iBook. > > Thanks > > Zeb > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jehaywood at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 21:19:29 2005 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Sun Apr 3 20:58:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT (sorta) UTSA Message-ID: Does anyone on the list know *WHY* UTSA has shut off ftp access over wireless and from home to the main student mail machine, lonestar? Can anyone from the Health Science Center shed light on this? The first excuse I've been given so far is security....... (to which I replied "this is a UNIVERSITY not the military or the NSA") Jennie - a very unhappy camper -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From leif at paisd.net Mon Apr 4 11:02:10 2005 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Mon Apr 4 09:25:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: MS Sues Student Message-ID: This is a good story about a college student that was sued by Microsoft. http://clevescene.com/issues/2005-03-30/news/feature_print.html -- Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Mon Apr 4 12:54:06 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:32:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Question Message-ID: <200504041632.j34GWhY01315@alamo.satlug.org> Has anyone heard the term "island server" and if so does anyone know what that means? I am find some references to it as a DNS term as well as term in a distributed authentication setup.which sounds a lot like a DMZ? Thanks. Dean McCall President/ CEO South Central Texas Chapter of the Internet Society www.Salsa.net 210.422.9255 From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Mon Apr 4 13:01:13 2005 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:39:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Slackware packages (current? 10.1? 10.0?) References: <050901c53711$dd7289d0$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> <79ec289f0504011603bdde248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <103601c53937$e8954b90$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> Jeremy and Bob, Thanks for the responses and tips! I've gone ahead and used Swaret to upgrade Slack to 10.1. Didn't see glibc in the list of things that would get updated when I went to 10.1, so it sounds like I would have been OK just using some of the "-current" packages on my 10.0 system, but it's nice to be upgraded anyway! Swaret seems like a pretty sweet tool! Thanks again! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Slackware packages (current? 10.1? 10.0?) > For that, consider using swaret (http://swaret.sourceforge.net). We > mirror all of slackware so you can use our repository in your > swaret.conf file: > > ftp://biochem2.uthscsa.edu/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-$VERSION > > Slackware-10.1 *is* slackware-current but was branched off when 10.1 > was released. You should be ok using the 10.1 packages on your system. > > Just be sure to check if glibc was updated. If so, you might as well > update to 10.1 (using our mirror of course), then use those -current > packages. > > Also, check www.linuxpackages.net. Somebody on there may have already > compiled KDE 3.4 for 10.0. > > Good Luck! From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Mon Apr 4 15:42:23 2005 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Mon Apr 4 14:21:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Doh! Slackware 10.1 uprade... Message-ID: <120601c5394e$6e999b40$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> .... Upon a reboot, seems my Slackware 10.1 upgrade I did with Swaret has caused problems with (you guessed it) glibc! X broke (X was upgraded in the whole process), and a few other other things (lsof, for one) are broken with the message: : /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by ) Seems the linked version of libc.so.6 up there is linked to a 2.3.2 version of glibc. Now how/why that wouldn't have been upgraded with everything else (since I selected "All" with Swaret, plus everything supposedly checked dependencies) I am not sure! I can't seem to find an upgraded glibc package with Swaret or at linuxpackages.net so I will research a little, but if anyone has seen this or has any advice that would be cool! Thanks!! David From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:10:08 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Apr 4 14:49:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Doh! Slackware 10.1 uprade... In-Reply-To: <120601c5394e$6e999b40$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> References: <120601c5394e$6e999b40$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> Message-ID: <79ec289f0504041310754cc8f6@mail.gmail.com> glibc in Slack 10.1 is 2.3.4. I warned you you would have to update glibc first, then use swaret. But no worries, below is the package you need. ftp://biochem2.uthscsa.edu/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-10.1/slackware/l/glibc-2.3.4-i486-1.tgz On Apr 4, 2005 1:42 PM, David Salisbury wrote: > .... Upon a reboot, seems my Slackware 10.1 upgrade I did with Swaret has > caused problems with (you guessed it) glibc! X broke (X was upgraded in the > whole process), and a few other other things (lsof, for one) are broken with > the message: > > : /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by > ) > > Seems the linked version of libc.so.6 up there is linked to a 2.3.2 version > of glibc. Now how/why that wouldn't have been upgraded with everything else > (since I selected "All" with Swaret, plus everything supposedly checked > dependencies) I am not sure! I can't seem to find an upgraded glibc package > with Swaret or at linuxpackages.net so I will research a little, but if > anyone has seen this or has any advice that would be cool! Thanks!! > > David > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Mon Apr 4 16:22:31 2005 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Mon Apr 4 15:01:15 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Doh! Slackware 10.1 uprade... References: <120601c5394e$6e999b40$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> <79ec289f0504041310754cc8f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12a401c53954$0a7bf8a0$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> Oops, I guess I misunderstood that I would have to upgrade glibc FIRST, my bad! I actually just found the packages right before I got your e-mail at the Slackware website with the package browser, installed the 2.3.4 packages, and things seem to be working. I can't check X at the moment as I'm remote, but lsof is back up and functional and libc.so.6 is symbolically-linked correctly, so I think everything should be good to go. Thanks for your help (and patience)! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Doh! Slackware 10.1 uprade... > glibc in Slack 10.1 is 2.3.4. I warned you you would have to update > glibc first, then use swaret. But no worries, below is the package you > need. > > > ftp://biochem2.uthscsa.edu/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-10.1/slackware/l/glibc-2.3.4-i486-1.tgz From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:29:34 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Apr 4 15:08:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Doh! Slackware 10.1 uprade... In-Reply-To: <12a401c53954$0a7bf8a0$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> References: <120601c5394e$6e999b40$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> <79ec289f0504041310754cc8f6@mail.gmail.com> <12a401c53954$0a7bf8a0$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> Message-ID: <79ec289f05040413299184a5b@mail.gmail.com> Not a problem David. I ran into the exact same problem with going from 8.1 to 9.x. Luckily, I learned from that mistake. On Apr 4, 2005 2:22 PM, David Salisbury wrote: > Oops, I guess I misunderstood that I would have to upgrade glibc FIRST, my > bad! I actually just found the packages right before I got your e-mail at > the Slackware website with the package browser, installed the 2.3.4 > packages, and things seem to be working. I can't check X at the moment as > I'm remote, but lsof is back up and functional and libc.so.6 is > symbolically-linked correctly, so I think everything should be good to go. > Thanks for your help (and patience)! > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Mann" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Doh! Slackware 10.1 uprade... > > > glibc in Slack 10.1 is 2.3.4. I warned you you would have to update > > glibc first, then use swaret. But no worries, below is the package you > > need. > > > > > > ftp://biochem2.uthscsa.edu/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-10.1/slackware/l/glibc-2.3.4-i486-1.tgz > > -- Jeremy From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 19:53:21 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Apr 4 18:32:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement for od Message-ID: <4154519d05040416534bb541e8@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of a good od-like program for viewing binary files? I've been using od, but it's getting to the point where it's a pain to work with. Are there any other good programs for viewing and bouncing around a hex dump of a binary file? -Mike From channing-c at satx.rr.com Mon Apr 4 21:27:25 2005 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Mon Apr 4 20:04:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement for od In-Reply-To: <4154519d05040416534bb541e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d05040416534bb541e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4251E97D.2070004@satx.rr.com> Mike Wallace wrote: >Does anyone know of a good od-like program for viewing binary files? >I've been using od, but it's getting to the point where it's a pain to >work with. Are there any other good programs for viewing and bouncing >around a hex dump of a binary file? > >-Mike >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > There is hexdump(1) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 From satlug at fusemeister.com Mon Apr 4 22:10:24 2005 From: satlug at fusemeister.com (Brinkley Harrell) Date: Mon Apr 4 20:49:15 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement for od In-Reply-To: <4251E97D.2070004@satx.rr.com> References: <4154519d05040416534bb541e8@mail.gmail.com> <4251E97D.2070004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4251F390.9080607@fusemeister.com> Channing wrote: > Mike Wallace wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a good od-like program for viewing binary files? >> I've been using od, but it's getting to the point where it's a pain to >> work with. Are there any other good programs for viewing and bouncing >> around a hex dump of a binary file? >> > There is hexdump(1) If you have KDE files loaded, use kHexEdit. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brinkley Harrell http://www.fusemeister.com From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Tue Apr 5 08:58:38 2005 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Tue Apr 5 07:37:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement for od In-Reply-To: <4154519d05040416534bb541e8@mail.gmail.com> (Mike Wallace's message of "Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:53:21 -0500") References: <4154519d05040416534bb541e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, Mike Wallace said: > Does anyone know of a good od-like program for viewing binary files? > I've been using od, but it's getting to the point where it's a pain to > work with. Are there any other good programs for viewing and bouncing > around a hex dump of a binary file? hexl mode in emacs. -- Ted Rathkopf From channing-c at satx.rr.com Tue Apr 5 17:28:56 2005 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Tue Apr 5 16:05:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Message-ID: <42530318.10906@satx.rr.com> Hey Gang, This is off-topic, but does anyone know of an open source way to convert PDF files to M$ Word .doc files? Actually, what I need is a single file converted if someone with the software would be willing. Thanks in advance for your time, Channing -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 From mspieth at teamcmi.com Tue Apr 5 17:47:18 2005 From: mspieth at teamcmi.com (Mark Spieth) Date: Tue Apr 5 16:27:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <42530318.10906@satx.rr.com> References: <42530318.10906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1112737638.5877.1.camel@dhcp214.teamcmi.com> Take a look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/joott/ This may do what you want. On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 16:28 -0500, Channing wrote: > Hey Gang, > > This is off-topic, but does anyone know of an open source way to convert > PDF files to M$ Word .doc files? > > Actually, what I need is a single file converted if someone with the > software would be willing. > > Thanks in advance for your time, > Channing > > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 17:48:29 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Apr 5 16:27:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <42530318.10906@satx.rr.com> References: <42530318.10906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f050405144832b3db7a@mail.gmail.com> Wouldn't OpenOffice handle this? If you have more than one document, it is scriptable. Something like: pdf -> ps -> OpenOffice -> doc On Apr 5, 2005 4:28 PM, Channing wrote: > Hey Gang, > > This is off-topic, but does anyone know of an open source way to convert > PDF files to M$ Word .doc files? > > Actually, what I need is a single file converted if someone with the > software would be willing. > > Thanks in advance for your time, > Channing > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From jamesjobrien at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 16:11:07 2005 From: jamesjobrien at yahoo.com (James O'Brien) Date: Tue Apr 5 16:49:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Servers For Sale Message-ID: <20050405221107.87508.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey satlug - had some equipment come up for sale from a company i work for. they thought we needed lots of room to grow, but ...um ... they were wrong. anyway, we don't need this level of hardware in order to function so if anyone is interested let me know. 4 servers from Appro. Model: APPRO 1124i-62 Retail: $2395.00 Asking: $1676.50 - Tyan S2462NG Thunder K7 IDE Mobo - Dual AMD Athlon 2200+ MP - 2 GB PC2100 Registered ECC DDR RAM - 4x Seagate EIDE, 40 GB, 7200 RPM - Slim 24x CDROM - Promise FastTrack 100TX2 IDE RAID Controller - PCI - 350W PFC Power Supply - 4MB Video - Dual onboard 10/100 NIC Model: APPRO 1100-62 Retail: $1833.00 Asking: $1283.10 - Tyan S2462NG Thunder K7 IDE Mobo - Dual AMD Athlon 2200+ MP - 1 GB PC2100 Registered ECC DDR RAM - 2x Seagate EIDE, 40 GB, 7200 RPM (2x Internal HDD bays) - Slim 24x CDROM - Promise FastTrack 100TX2 IDE RAID Controller - PCI - 350W PFC Power Supply - 4MB Video - Dual onboard 10/100 NIC We have two of the below configurations. Model: APPRO 1100-62 Retail: $1685.00 Asking: $1179.50 - Tyan S2462NG Thunder K7 IDE Mobo - Dual AMD Athlon 2200+ MP - 1 GB PC2100 Registered ECC DDR RAM - 1x Seagate EIDE, 40 GB, 7200 RPM (2x Internal HDD bays) - Slim 24x CDROM - 350W PFC Power Supply - 4MB Video - Dual onboard 10/100 NIC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From sexton at idxwebservices.com Tue Apr 5 22:08:21 2005 From: sexton at idxwebservices.com (Art Sexton) Date: Tue Apr 5 20:46:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Servers For Sale In-Reply-To: <20050405221107.87508.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050405221107.87508.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42534495.2070706@idxwebservices.com> Can you contact me off list, or give me a means to contact you? I might be interested in one of these. sexton@idxwebservices.com Art Sexton James O'Brien wrote: >hey satlug - had some equipment come up for sale from >a company i work for. they thought we needed lots of >room to grow, but ...um ... they were wrong. anyway, >we don't need this level of hardware in order to >function so if anyone is interested let me know. > >4 servers from Appro. > >Model: APPRO 1124i-62 >Retail: $2395.00 >Asking: $1676.50 > - Tyan S2462NG Thunder K7 IDE Mobo > - Dual AMD Athlon 2200+ MP > - 2 GB PC2100 Registered ECC DDR RAM > - 4x Seagate EIDE, 40 GB, 7200 RPM > - Slim 24x CDROM > - Promise FastTrack 100TX2 IDE RAID Controller - PCI > - 350W PFC Power Supply > - 4MB Video > - Dual onboard 10/100 NIC > >Model: APPRO 1100-62 >Retail: $1833.00 >Asking: $1283.10 > - Tyan S2462NG Thunder K7 IDE Mobo > - Dual AMD Athlon 2200+ MP > - 1 GB PC2100 Registered ECC DDR RAM > - 2x Seagate EIDE, 40 GB, 7200 RPM (2x Internal HDD >bays) > - Slim 24x CDROM > - Promise FastTrack 100TX2 IDE RAID Controller - PCI > - 350W PFC Power Supply > - 4MB Video > - Dual onboard 10/100 NIC > >We have two of the below configurations. >Model: APPRO 1100-62 >Retail: $1685.00 >Asking: $1179.50 > - Tyan S2462NG Thunder K7 IDE Mobo > - Dual AMD Athlon 2200+ MP > - 1 GB PC2100 Registered ECC DDR RAM > - 1x Seagate EIDE, 40 GB, 7200 RPM (2x Internal HDD >bays) > - Slim 24x CDROM > - 350W PFC Power Supply > - 4MB Video > - Dual onboard 10/100 NIC > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. >http://personals.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Apr 5 23:12:19 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Apr 5 21:51:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Message-ID: <200504060312.j363CJQb026277@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Wouldn't OpenOffice handle this? If you have more than one document, > it is scriptable. Something like: > > pdf -> ps -> OpenOffice -> doc No, I'm pretty sure that won't work, but it would be great if it would! If anyone knows how to make that work please let me know! All you can get is the ascii representation of the postscript code, or a bitmapped image of the PDF document, which is not what's wanted. Instead, you could do this: pdf2ps my_pdf_doc.pdf ps2ascii my_pdf_doc.ps > mydoc_in_ascii.txt The file mydoc_in_ascii.txt can be imported into any wordprocessor, including Word or OpenOffice. Note: you will lose all formatting except paragraphs and spaces. At least this is a little better than doing copy and paste from the acroread program directly. Adobe may also have some commercial software to do what you want to do, but I am not aware of any tool that can do this. If you don't have ps2ascii I can do this for you, just attach your pdf file. Hope this helps a little. -Borries > > On Apr 5, 2005 4:28 PM, Channing wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > > > This is off-topic, but does anyone know of an open source way to convert > > PDF files to M$ Word .doc files? > > > > Actually, what I need is a single file converted if someone with the > > software would be willing. > > > > Thanks in advance for your time, > > Channing > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From channing-c at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 6 00:29:15 2005 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Tue Apr 5 23:05:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <200504060312.j363CJQb026277@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200504060312.j363CJQb026277@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4253659B.1080100@satx.rr.com> Borries, you are entirely correct. I just spent the last hour trying numerous variations on the theme, but always arrived at the same result as you did. Oh well, I guess I will have to print and fill out by had the form ! Thanks everyone for your advice. Channing Borries Demeler wrote: >>Wouldn't OpenOffice handle this? If you have more than one document, >>it is scriptable. Something like: >> >>pdf -> ps -> OpenOffice -> doc >> >> > >No, I'm pretty sure that won't work, but it would be great if it would! >If anyone knows how to make that work please let me know! All you can >get is the ascii representation of the postscript code, or a bitmapped >image of the PDF document, which is not what's wanted. Instead, you >could do this: > >pdf2ps my_pdf_doc.pdf >ps2ascii my_pdf_doc.ps > mydoc_in_ascii.txt > >The file mydoc_in_ascii.txt can be imported into any wordprocessor, >including Word or OpenOffice. Note: you will lose all formatting except >paragraphs and spaces. At least this is a little better than doing copy >and paste from the acroread program directly. > >Adobe may also have some commercial software to do what you want to do, >but I am not aware of any tool that can do this. > >If you don't have ps2ascii I can do this for you, just attach your pdf >file. Hope this helps a little. > >-Borries > > >>On Apr 5, 2005 4:28 PM, Channing wrote: >> >> >>>Hey Gang, >>> >>>This is off-topic, but does anyone know of an open source way to convert >>>PDF files to M$ Word .doc files? >>> >>>Actually, what I need is a single file converted if someone with the >>>software would be willing. >>> >>>Thanks in advance for your time, >>>Channing >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SATLUG mailing list >>>SATLUG@satlug.org >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Jeremy >>_______________________________________________ >>SATLUG mailing list >>SATLUG@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 From channing-c at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 6 01:18:10 2005 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Tue Apr 5 23:54:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <1112762768.5790.26.camel@localhost> References: <200504060312.j363CJQb026277@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4253659B.1080100@satx.rr.com> <1112762768.5790.26.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <42537112.1070002@satx.rr.com> Geoffrey Derber wrote: >On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 23:29 -0500, Channing wrote: > > >>Borries, you are entirely correct. I just spent the last hour trying >>numerous variations on >>the theme, but always arrived at the same result as you did. Oh well, I >>guess I will have >>to print and fill out by had the form ! >> >>Thanks everyone for your advice. >>Channing >> >> > >Before giving up completely, try pdf -> html -> OpenOffice -> doc > >Each step should be possible, I know the pdf -> html (pdftohtml on >sf.net) and OpenOffice -> doc are, I know OO can read html files though >I've never messed with it before myself (and unfortunately I've got a >corrupted OO install right now I need to fix before I could test it >out). > > That's pretty good. The output is legible, but the formatting is whacked. Things that should be on the same line show up on multiple lines running down the left side of the page. Oh well, I appreciate the suggestion. Channing -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 From crynosys at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 6 01:32:32 2005 From: crynosys at satx.rr.com (Chris Lee) Date: Wed Apr 6 00:17:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <4253659B.1080100@satx.rr.com> References: <200504060312.j363CJQb026277@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4253659B.1080100@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <42537470.6090000@satx.rr.com> Are you just filling out one form? What does the PDF looklike when you bring it up in The GIMP? The GIMP Faq says it uses Ghostscript for this. Wondering about the state of opensource OCR software. oh Google... Channing wrote: > Borries, you are entirely correct. I just spent the last hour trying > numerous variations on > the theme, but always arrived at the same result as you did. Oh well, I > guess I will have > to print and fill out by had the form ! > > Thanks everyone for your advice. Channing From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 6 06:50:53 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 6 05:29:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <4253659B.1080100@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200504061050.j36Aor9r001607@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Borries, you are entirely correct. I just spent the last hour trying > numerous variations on > the theme, but always arrived at the same result as you did. Oh well, I > guess I will have > to print and fill out by had the form ! Ahh! You want to fill out a PDF form? You never mentioned that before. Certain PDF files are editable with the latest version of acroread or using Acrobat distiller! So check it out to see if you can edit the form and then print it out. The trouble is that the free acroread version won't let you save the edits and come back to them later. If you get really desperate, there is still another method I have used quite successfully in the past: Take a screen dump of your PDF file and make a bitmapped graphic out of it and import it into OpenOffice and then put the graphic in the background and just type over it where you need it. I would recommend a reasonable resolution for this, depending on your needs. A big screen helps (I use a 1920x1440 resolution). But you can also take multiple images and merge them with Gimp into a single, hi-res image. Hope that helps, -Borries From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 07:50:38 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Wed Apr 6 06:29:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Bad Sci-Fi? Message-ID: http://www.speedguide.net/read_news.php?id=1621 Seattle And Other Cities Ban Free Public Wi-Fi 04.05.2005 09:38 by downhill TidBits Seattle's City Council has passed an emergency measure to ban free Wi-Fi access within city limits, following testimony from experts and fire officials regarding their investigation of last week's explosion at the popular "Beans, Beans, The Magical Fruit" coffeehouse. The measure takes effect immediately; individuals or businesses found to be operating unregulated Wi-Fi access will be subject to misdemeanor charges, confiscation of Wi-Fi equipment, and fines of up to $5,000. Seattle will also create a Wi-Fi Testing Foundation (WTF) to assess and regulate Wi-Fi access within city limits. The WTF will consider a proposal in which users of Wi-Fi would be required by law to limit their use in coffeehouses to email and text-only Web sites (or Web browsing which images turned off). Lead fire investigator Cindy Aerie noted that while the official investigation was not yet complete, all evidence indicated the explosion was caused by the owners' re-locating one of the establishment's two high-capacity espresso machines to make room for more seating. The machine's new location was at the center of an invisible "Wi-Fi hotzone" within the building, where transmission traffic from wireless Internet users and hardware both inside the coffeehouse and from nearby homes and businesses focussed and excited water molecules in the air and within the coffee machine's boiler. -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 6 08:46:23 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 6 07:25:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Bad Sci-Fi? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504061246.j36CkNKk004053@biochem.uthscsa.edu> If that article had been written 4 days earlier I would put it off as a bad april fools day joke. > more seating. The machine's new location was at the center of an > invisible "Wi-Fi hotzone" within the building, where transmission > traffic from wireless Internet users and hardware both inside the > coffeehouse and from nearby homes and businesses focussed and excited > water molecules in the air and within the coffee machine's boiler. But this is just plain nonsense. Wireless has nowhere near enough energy to cause an explosion, even if it could be focussed (which it isn't). From ramadoss at gbronline.com Wed Apr 6 09:37:03 2005 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Wed Apr 6 08:15:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <200504061050.j36Aor9r001607@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <4253659B.1080100@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20050406083513.009f5be0@mail.gbronline.com> Acrobat 6.0 and later has a overlay feature and I suppose the data can be typed overlaying over the pdf file you want to fill. Anyone has used overlay feature? I have not yet. mkr At 05:50 AM 04/06/05 -0500, you wrote: > > > > Borries, you are entirely correct. I just spent the last hour trying > > numerous variations on > > the theme, but always arrived at the same result as you did. Oh well, I > > guess I will have > > to print and fill out by had the form ! > >Ahh! You want to fill out a PDF form? You never mentioned that before. >Certain PDF files are editable with the latest version of acroread or >using Acrobat distiller! So check it out to see if you can edit the form >and then print it out. The trouble is that the free acroread version >won't let you save the edits and come back to them later. > >If you get really desperate, there is still another method I have used >quite successfully in the past: > >Take a screen dump of your PDF file and make a bitmapped graphic out of >it and import it into OpenOffice and then put the graphic in the background >and just type over it where you need it. I would recommend a reasonable >resolution for this, depending on your needs. A big screen helps (I use a >1920x1440 resolution). But you can also take multiple images and merge them >with Gimp into a single, hi-res image. > >Hope that helps, -Borries >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 04/01/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 04/01/05 From hapihakr at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 07:47:38 2005 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Wed Apr 6 08:26:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Message-ID: <20050406134738.86203.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Another option is to save the pdf document as an image file, insert the image into a word processing document, and overlay text fields. The only gotcha would be if there is text very near the borders that your printer won't print (then you would have to scale down the image a bit). I've actually done this before, but I don't remember exactly how. Tony ----------original message---------- From: "Channing" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 23:29:15 -0500 To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] Borries, you are entirely correct. I just spent the last hour trying numerous variations on the theme, but always arrived at the same result as you did. Oh well, I guess I will have to print and fill out by had the form ! Thanks everyone for your advice. Channing Borries Demeler wrote: >>Wouldn't OpenOffice handle this? If you have more than one document, >>it is scriptable. Something like: >> >>pdf -> ps -> OpenOffice -> doc >> >> > >No, I'm pretty sure that won't work, but it would be great if it would! >If anyone knows how to make that work please let me know! All you can >get is the ascii representation of the postscript code, or a bitmapped >image of the PDF document, which is not what's wanted. Instead, you >could do this: > >pdf2ps my_pdf_doc.pdf >ps2ascii my_pdf_doc.ps > mydoc_in_ascii.txt > >The file mydoc_in_ascii.txt can be imported into any wordprocessor, >including Word or OpenOffice. Note: you will lose all formatting except >paragraphs and spaces. At least this is a little better than doing copy >and paste from the acroread program directly. > >Adobe may also have some commercial software to do what you want to do, >but I am not aware of any tool that can do this. > >If you don't have ps2ascii I can do this for you, just attach your pdf >file. Hope this helps a little. > >-Borries > > >>On Apr 5, 2005 4:28 PM, Channing wrote: >> >> >>>Hey Gang, >>> >>>This is off-topic, but does anyone know of an open source way to convert >>>PDF files to M$ Word .doc files? >>> >>>Actually, what I need is a single file converted if someone with the >>>software would be willing. >>> >>>Thanks in advance for your time, >>>Channing __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 6 09:49:18 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 6 08:28:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20050406083513.009f5be0@mail.gbronline.com> Message-ID: <200504061349.j36DnIxf007919@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Acrobat 6.0 and later has a overlay feature and I suppose the data can be > typed overlaying over the pdf file you want to fill. Anyone has used > overlay feature? I have not yet. > > mkr I have used it. On the free acrobat however you cannot save your overlay, only print it out. The printed out version, when reconverted to PDF loses it's overlay features and becomes flattened. -Borries From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 6 09:53:09 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 6 08:31:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <20050406134738.86203.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200504061353.j36Dr9Le008069@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Another option is to save the pdf document as an image > file, insert the image into a word processing Is there any way to export a PDF file to an image directly? Or do you have to go through postscript and some of these ps2bitmap converters? -Borries From davidcrockett at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 10:57:38 2005 From: davidcrockett at yahoo.com (Henry Crockett) Date: Wed Apr 6 11:36:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Bad Sci-Fi? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050406165738.57836.qmail@web52601.mail.yahoo.com> Yes sir, this was an April Fools joke. See http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=08041 where they have the "full story" on the first. The other 4/1/05 stories on the tidbits site are pretty funny also. My favorite part of this one was "investigator Cindy Aerie" (incendiary). --- Geoff wrote: > http://www.speedguide.net/read_news.php?id=1621 > > Seattle And Other Cities Ban Free Public Wi-Fi > 04.05.2005 09:38 by downhill > > TidBits > > Seattle's City Council has passed an emergency measure to ban free > Wi-Fi access within city limits, following testimony from experts and > fire officials regarding their investigation of last week's explosion > at the popular "Beans, Beans, The Magical Fruit" coffeehouse. The > measure takes effect immediately; individuals or businesses found to > be operating unregulated Wi-Fi access will be subject to misdemeanor > charges, confiscation of Wi-Fi equipment, and fines of up to $5,000. > Seattle will also create a Wi-Fi Testing Foundation (WTF) to assess > and regulate Wi-Fi access within city limits. The WTF will consider a > proposal in which users of Wi-Fi would be required by law to limit > their use in coffeehouses to email and text-only Web sites (or Web > browsing which images turned off). > > Lead fire investigator Cindy Aerie noted that while the official > investigation was not yet complete, all evidence indicated the > explosion was caused by the owners' re-locating one of the > establishment's two high-capacity espresso machines to make room for > more seating. The machine's new location was at the center of an > invisible "Wi-Fi hotzone" within the building, where transmission > traffic from wireless Internet users and hardware both inside the > coffeehouse and from nearby homes and businesses focussed and excited > water molecules in the air and within the coffee machine's boiler. > > -- > Regards, > -Geoff > > Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. > Get the Lead out to reply. > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Associate Professor, Computer Information Systems & Security, School of Business Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, TX 78207-4689 Voice: 210-434-6711X8156 Fax: 210-434-0821 http://www.davidcrockett.net "A wise chieftan adapts - he doesn't compromise." - Attila T. Hun From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Wed Apr 6 13:15:04 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Wed Apr 6 11:53:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] "IS THERE A FUTURE FOR IMAGINATION IN SAN ANTONIO?" Message-ID: <200504061653.j36GraY07080@alamo.satlug.org> An Open Invitation to Participate in "Is there a Future for Imagination in San Antonio?" A Discussion with Mayoral Candidates on Issues of Culture, Arts and Technology Monday, April 25, 2005 Downtown San Antonio Public LIbrary Auditorium 600 Soledad 6:30 - Doors Open 7 - 8:30 p.m. - Discussion with Candidates All the Mayoral Candidates have been invited to participate in this public meeting and bring their perspectives on San Antonio's most imaginative communities who are creating the Future in Culture, Arts and Technology. This democratic exercise demands your input. You are invited to submit written questions for the Mayoral Candidates. On April 17th, a panel of arts, cultural and technology advocates will choose twenty questions from those received. Candidates will be sent these questions with the understanding that no less than five questions of these twenty will be directed toward them on the night of April 25th. This ensures that the candidates will make substantive statements for the concerns of our Cultural, Arts and Technology communities. Help us make this event a success. This is a community-outreach activity of the WESTSIDE ARTS COALITION in partnership with SALSA-NET, C.A.S.A. (Cultural Alliance of San Antonio) and many individual artists. Send your questions to: From bkoerner at gaiweb.net Wed Apr 6 13:23:20 2005 From: bkoerner at gaiweb.net (William Koerner) Date: Wed Apr 6 12:01:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <42530318.10906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Take a look at PDF995 http://www.pdf995.com/index.html. It will convert PDFs to HTML or text. For simple PDF documents, the HTML conversion will retain most of the formatting. Then you can just read it into Word or Open Office. Another route you can take is through the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/access_onlinetools.html). Adobe provides PDF to text/HTML conversion through email for PDF documents that you have locally. They also have an online conversion capability for any PDFs that are accessible via the Web. Hope that helps, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Channing [mailto:channing-c@satx.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:29 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Hey Gang, This is off-topic, but does anyone know of an open source way to convert PDF files to M$ Word .doc files? Actually, what I need is a single file converted if someone with the software would be willing. Thanks in advance for your time, Channing -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 From steve.mcconnell at gd-ais.com Wed Apr 6 16:15:05 2005 From: steve.mcconnell at gd-ais.com (Mcconnell, Steve) Date: Wed Apr 6 14:53:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Message-ID: <97E02A05E253E74B826FDEFF342AED8E187D52@txsa01-mail01.ad.gd-ais.com> Another possibility, albeit weird, is to open the pdf file in Ghostview, convert it to a bmp file then run it through an OCR package like SimpleOCR http://www.simpleocr.com/ win32 ;-( It's kinda like printing and OCR-ing without needing either a printer or a scanner. Steve -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of bkoerner@gaiweb.net Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23 PM To: channing-c@satx.rr.com; satlug@satlug.org Subject: RE: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Take a look at PDF995 http://www.pdf995.com/index.html. It will convert PDFs to HTML or text. For simple PDF documents, the HTML conversion will retain most of the formatting. Then you can just read it into Word or Open Office. Another route you can take is through the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/access_onlinetools.html). Adobe provides PDF to text/HTML conversion through email for PDF documents that you have locally. They also have an online conversion capability for any PDFs that are accessible via the Web. Hope that helps, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Channing [mailto:channing-c@satx.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:29 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Hey Gang, This is off-topic, but does anyone know of an open source way to convert PDF files to M$ Word .doc files? Actually, what I need is a single file converted if someone with the software would be willing. Thanks in advance for your time, Channing -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jamesjobrien at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 15:13:47 2005 From: jamesjobrien at yahoo.com (James O'Brien) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:52:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] directory monitor? Message-ID: <20050406211347.82815.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> is there a way to monitor a directory so that if a new file comes in, it can automatically be copied to an additional directory on the same server. if that can't be done, can it simply notify an email that the directory has changed? tia - james ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Any significant accomplishment is built upon the cornerstone of insanity." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest From zip at liberto.org Wed Apr 6 16:16:44 2005 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:55:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] directory monitor? In-Reply-To: <20050406211347.82815.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050406211347.82815.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425443AC.9020300@liberto.org> cron, or write a simple daemon to handle it. Andrew James O'Brien wrote: >is there a way to monitor a directory so that if a new >file comes in, it can automatically be copied to an >additional directory on the same server. > >if that can't be done, can it simply notify an email >that the directory has changed? > >tia - james > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"Any significant accomplishment is built upon the cornerstone of insanity." >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger >Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. >http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From channing-c at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 6 17:30:10 2005 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Wed Apr 6 16:06:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] directory monitor? In-Reply-To: <20050406211347.82815.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050406211347.82815.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425454E2.5070207@satx.rr.com> James O'Brien wrote: >is there a way to monitor a directory so that if a new >file comes in, it can automatically be copied to an >additional directory on the same server. > >if that can't be done, can it simply notify an email >that the directory has changed? > >tia - james > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"Any significant accomplishment is built upon the cornerstone of insanity." >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Generally, you would write a script for that. I'd use rsync to copy from directory to directory as it would take some of the logic off your shoulders. Try this: #!/bin/bash while (true) do /usr/bin/rsync -a /home/channing/tmp/a/* /home/channing/tmp/b sleep 5 done You could put this in your rc.d/rc.3 structure for automatically starting when the system initializes. Hope this helps, Channing -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/2005 From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Apr 6 17:37:44 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Apr 6 16:16:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] directory monitor? In-Reply-To: <20050406211347.82815.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050406211347.82815.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1112823465.16475.50.camel@laptop> rsync will do the copying job for you. It is perfect for keeping two directories in sync. Chuck On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 16:13, James O'Brien wrote: is there a way to monitor a directory so that if a new file comes in, it can automatically be copied to an additional directory on the same server. if that can't be done, can it simply notify an email that the directory has changed? tia - james ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Any significant accomplishment is built upon the cornerstone of insanity." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From hapihakr at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 15:40:44 2005 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Wed Apr 6 16:19:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Message-ID: <20050406214044.41369.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Open the PDF file in gimp. Select the image of the page you want (each page is a separate image). On the menu go to "File|Save As". Click the button "Determine file type by extension" and select BMP. Save the image, close gimp, and open a new document in your favorite word processor. Insert the image into the new document and insert text boxes as appropriate. Print and save. Note: you can adjust both the resolution used to load the image into gimp and the resolution used to save the bitmap file. Also, your word processor may adjust the resolution as well. The quality of your final image will depend on these factors. Tony ----------original message---------- From: "Borries Demeler" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:53:09 -0500 (CDT) To: satlug@satlug.org Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] > > Another option is to save the pdf document as an image > file, insert the image into a word processing Is there any way to export a PDF file to an image directly? Or do you have to go through postscript and some of these ps2bitmap converters? -Borries __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Apr 6 17:52:18 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Apr 6 16:31:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun Pres down on GPL Message-ID: <42545A12.3040802@cis.sac.accd.edu> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5656047.html. Thought you would enjoy this one. Steve From jamesjobrien at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 16:55:36 2005 From: jamesjobrien at yahoo.com (James O'Brien) Date: Wed Apr 6 17:34:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] directory monitoring? Message-ID: <20050406225536.13168.qmail@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thanks all for the help. i got it fixed up. - james ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Any significant accomplishment is built upon the cornerstone of insanity." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From country at the-cia.net Wed Apr 6 06:51:58 2005 From: country at the-cia.net (country) Date: Wed Apr 6 18:08:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <42537470.6090000@satx.rr.com> References: <200504060312.j363CJQb026277@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4253659B.1080100@satx.rr.com> <42537470.6090000@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4253BF4E.2000902@the-cia.net> I have approached your situation this way: I convert the PDF (using some freebie file conversion software) to a jpg or gif or such, then use a picture editing program, I enter the text in the areas on the pic that I need, then save off the file and send it in that way. Adobe does have utilities to allow you to edit a PDF, but those utilities are expensive. Chris Lee wrote: > Are you just filling out one form? > What does the PDF looklike when you bring it up in The GIMP? > The GIMP Faq says it uses Ghostscript for this. > > Wondering about the state of opensource OCR software. oh Google... > > Channing wrote: > >> Borries, you are entirely correct. I just spent the last hour trying >> numerous variations on >> the theme, but always arrived at the same result as you did. Oh >> well, I guess I will have >> to print and fill out by had the form ! >> >> Thanks everyone for your advice. Channing > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 19:58:06 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Apr 6 18:37:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: [Web-Informant] #405, WiFi as urban renewal In-Reply-To: References: <20050406163822.2F24947B7A@lh.avolio.com> Message-ID: FYI... been a lot of interest in this lately. Austin's WiFi project is mentioned below and San Antonio's is mentioned on the www.muniwireless.com home page. Web Informant #405, 6 April 2005: WiFi as urban renewal http://strom.com/awards/405.html Since I moved here, I have found that there are two things that get Californians excited: free parking and free WiFi. Even better, how about places that offer free parking within a few feet of having free wireless access. The only thing better would be laptops with built-in cup holders for your lattes. Wait a minute, isn't that what the CD drive is for? Two years ago the City of Long Beach was one of the first to jump on this trend, and enabled free WiFi in a four-block area along Pine Street, one of the more pedestrian-friendly and restaurant-laden spots in the area. Then they turned on free WiFi at their airport, which has become a busy cross-country hub since Jet Blue started flying there and American had to match its service levels. I spoke to Terry Evans, a long-time friend and longer-time IT manager at the City of Long Beach. He mentioned how "WiFi has now become a basic municipal service like street lights and garbage collection." What he's found is a pretty consistent usage pattern through his downtown network of about 200 users per week. http://www.longbeach.gov/ecd/technology/hot_zone.asp Since then many other locations around the world have followed their lead. The latest in the Los Angeles area to go wireless is the city of Fullerton, which began in February offering free access in their 24 block "downtown" area. Now all it needs is some pedestrian traffic to make it a real downtown. And that is the point of this trend. Cities need to attract people walking around and WiFi has become yet another tool in the urban renewal arsenal. Whether these pedestrians are shopping, break dancing, eating, or wirelessly Internetting, the excitement is in having bunches of them out of their cars and on their feet. It is a real paradox here in the endless suburbs of Los Angeles, where there are more palm trees than buildings taller than 30 feet high, and where people think nothing of driving 30 miles to get to dinner, but walking 30 feet from their car is too much to ask. Evans tells me his wireless network has definitely changed the perception of Long Beach as more techno-friendly, although I don't think your average Angelino will be packing up the car for a drive downtown with their laptops just to surf the Web for free. Still, it is a nice amenity and a good calling card for the local businesses to pull in traffic, whether it be via the Web or in person ? the businesses have ads on the Long Beach portal page that you first see when you connect. All this free wireless is happening as a result of several powerful trends working together. First is that the gear is getting pretty cheap, and that more businesses are online with broadband connections. This makes it easier to extend their wired networks to wireless users. It also makes it easier for municipal governments to pay for the ongoing costs to run free wireless networks. (In Long Beach's case, this amounts to less than $5000 per year.) Second, volunteers are getting organized and community-level projects are bringing techno-geeks together to build their own hot spots. The best example of this is Austin Wireless City Project in Texas. They have even produced a training manual to show how they have built out their network: http://www.muniwireless.com/reports/docs/AWCP_training_guide.pdf Third, the traditional government funding mechanisms of redevelopment grants and new public safety initiatives have poured tons of money into these areas, and even some business consortiums are getting involved. Some communities have gotten new networks for their police and fire departments, and as a side benefit the public gets better Internet access. Some of these new networks come at the expense of older and more expensive technologies that municipal agencies have used. As an example, Evans mentioned his existing building inspectors who carry laptops with cell phone modems. This service is expensive, averaging over $70 a month. "That adds up fast and can pay for a lot of WiFi access around the city." And finally, hotels and hospitality services are getting into the act, opening up their own properties with free wireless throughout. Many are finally realizing that business travelers, such as me, are actually searching for free wireless when we book rooms on our trips. It is a great idea. Now if we can just keep the local Bells and cable companies from killing it. Needless to say, they are concerned that all this free wireless is cutting into their profitable monopolies. In the meantime, if you need to find free wireless connections, the best site that I know of is JiWire's hotspot finder: http://www.jiwire.com/search-hotspot-locations.htm David Strom Editor-in-Chief Tom's Guides Publishing 31225 LaBaya Dr #107 Westlake Village, CA 91362 +1 (818) 991-0282 x204 -- To subscribe send e-mail to informant-request@avolio.com with "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message body. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe." -- Entire contents copyright 2005 by David Strom, Inc. David Strom, david@strom.com Web Informant is (r) registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ISSN #1524-6353 registered with U.S. Library of Congress If you'd like to subscribe (issues are sent via email), please send an email to: mailto:Informant-request@avolio.com?body=subscribe From rwegner at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 6 21:44:32 2005 From: rwegner at satx.rr.com (Richard Wegner) Date: Wed Apr 6 20:23:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] .iso images Message-ID: <42549080.8060906@satx.rr.com> Hi there, I am wondering if anyone has experience with Mandrake 10.1 Community Edition. I installed K3B disc burning software and it works GREAT for making back up data discs. However, when I did my install for Mandrake 10.1 I didn't install everything that I needed for K3B. What I need to know is what files I need to make a .iso into a regular CD. I can copy them no problem to the CD but it doesn't uncompress it. I know there is something called mkisofs or something like that but I am not sure what other programs I might need to do this. Thanks... From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 6 22:13:07 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 6 20:51:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc In-Reply-To: <20050406214044.41369.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200504070213.j372D7jM026719@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Yeah! This is really good. I did not know that gimp did such a nice job on PDF files, even the antialiasing is handled great! The quality is really superb. Thanks for the tip, I am sure I will use this again. -borries > > Open the PDF file in gimp. Select the image of the > page you want (each page is a separate image). On the > menu go to "File|Save As". Click the button "Determine > file type by extension" and select BMP. Save the > image, close gimp, and open a new document in your > favorite word processor. Insert the image into the new > document and insert text boxes as appropriate. Print > and save. > > Note: you can adjust both the resolution used to load > the image into gimp and the resolution used to save > the bitmap file. Also, your word processor may adjust > the resolution as well. The quality of your final > image will depend on these factors. > > Tony > > ----------original message---------- > From: "Borries Demeler" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: PDF to .doc > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:53:09 -0500 (CDT) > To: satlug@satlug.org > > Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! > Briefcase ] > > > > > Another option is to save the pdf document as an > image > > file, insert the image into a word processing > > Is there any way to export a PDF file to an image > directly? > Or do you have to go through postscript and some of > these > ps2bitmap converters? > > -Borries > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:31:30 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 6 21:10:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] .iso images In-Reply-To: <42549080.8060906@satx.rr.com> References: <42549080.8060906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0504061931819770d@mail.gmail.com> A simple way of making an ISO image is this: mkisofs -r -o /name-of-iso-image.iso /direcory-containing-files-to-burn That's if you want to create you own ISO images. But your message mentions uncompressing it. Using K3B you should be able to burn to CD or DVD regardless. We need more info about your problem. On Apr 6, 2005 8:44 PM, Richard Wegner wrote: > Hi there, > > I am wondering if anyone has experience with Mandrake 10.1 Community > Edition. I installed K3B disc burning software and it works GREAT for > making back up data discs. However, when I did my install for Mandrake > 10.1 I didn't install everything that I needed for K3B. What I need to > know is what files I need to make a .iso into a regular CD. I can copy > them no problem to the CD but it doesn't uncompress it. I know there is > something called mkisofs or something like that but I am not sure what > other programs I might need to do this. > > Thanks... > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 6 22:37:37 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 6 21:16:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] .iso images In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0504061931819770d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504070237.j372bbVW027393@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > On Apr 6, 2005 8:44 PM, Richard Wegner wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I am wondering if anyone has experience with Mandrake 10.1 Community > > Edition. I installed K3B disc burning software and it works GREAT for > > making back up data discs. However, when I did my install for Mandrake > > 10.1 I didn't install everything that I needed for K3B. What I need to > > know is what files I need to make a .iso into a regular CD. I can copy > > them no problem to the CD but it doesn't uncompress it. I know there is > > something called mkisofs or something like that but I am not sure what > > other programs I might need to do this. > > > > Thanks... > > It sounds like you want to burn an existing iso image file to a CD. You can use "cdrecord" for that: cdrecord dev=0,3,0 speed=16 -v -eject myisoimage.iso DO a cdrecord -scanbus to find out the correct device setting (dev=xxx) -Borries From mester at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 6 22:37:46 2005 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Wed Apr 6 21:16:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] directory monitor? In-Reply-To: <1112823465.16475.50.camel@laptop> References: <20050406211347.82815.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1112823465.16475.50.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <20050406213746.5b67a07e@ws400.satx.rr.com> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:37:44 -0500 Chuck wrote: > rsync will do the copying job for you. It is perfect for keeping two > directories in sync. > > > Chuck > > It sure works for keeping a copy of my home directory on another box (just in case). I like it. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 AOL Instant Messenger: hermsys Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to Microsoft Office: http://www.openoffice.org From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 21:14:22 2005 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Wed Apr 6 21:53:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] WiFi in Lakehills In-Reply-To: <200504062337.j36NboY10409@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20050407031422.82201.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> All the recent talk about WiFi and hotspots is really exciting. I live 20 miles away from the nearest hotspot. But, there is hope that Thousand Trails the nearby resort (of which I'm a member) will become a hot spot in the future. I'd like nothing better than to sit lakeside on a picnic bench with my six border collie pups and surf the web wirelessly. I'm so tired of dial-up and want to dump my land-line. Satellite Internet may be an option as it has become less expensive. I recently bought a Uniden Scanner and am amazed at all the stuff I'm able to hear. It picks up cell and cordless phone conversations. I can even hook this thing up with antennas, etc..in my car and be alerted to highway patrols in the area. (I have the driving record of a saint..I don't speed..and obey traffic laws). When I get on the Internet and change the scanner to data mode..all kinds of garbage comes across of which I'm unable to decipher. Sorry, for the long rant. But, is Satellite more secure than wireless Internet? I only use my laptop surf wirelessly and I have nothing important on it and I don't engage in online transactions. Mary From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Apr 6 23:19:01 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Apr 6 21:57:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: [Web-Informant] #405, WiFi as urban renewal In-Reply-To: References: <20050406163822.2F24947B7A@lh.avolio.com> Message-ID: <1112843943.16496.77.camel@laptop> I can confirm this one. And finally, hotels and hospitality services are getting into the act, opening up their own properties with free wireless throughout. Many are finally realizing that business travelers, such as me, are actually searching for free wireless when we book rooms on our trips. I've installed wireless networks for a couple of local hotels and kept up even more long-term. Been working with a couple of them for over two years now. These hotels/motels had initially installed the networks JUST to be competitive with the other motels/hotels that offered "Free Wireless Access". OK, sounds logical. But the owner of a local Days Inn mentioned to me just last week that they are now REQUIRED to have wireless access for their customers. The chain's corporate offices are forcing it on any locations that didn't already have wireless. Chuck From salazar_figueroa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 21:37:32 2005 From: salazar_figueroa at yahoo.com (Raul S.) Date: Wed Apr 6 22:16:20 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was talking to a friend of mine and he mentioned something about linux on his email so this is what I told him: Hey, so are you learning linux. Good, you finally saw the light. You'll love it! He responded by email with this: Right now the light is just a flicker… Its another OS, not enough software out there for it … what there is … its clumsy, and a cheesy ripoff of windows apps…. I’d like to see more ORIGINAL apps…. Gimme something WINDOWS is copying from RHL…… any suggestions? --- So my question is, being a Linux amateur, what should I tell him? suggestions? Thanks. Raul From mikeaw at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 23:50:23 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Wed Apr 6 22:29:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4154519d0504062050703b487@mail.gmail.com> Original application? Do you mean original like "original idea" or "original" meaning that the app was first developed on Linux? If the latter, what about something like The Gimp or Firefox? Of would your friend think those are "clumsy, cheesy ripoffs" of Photoshop and Internet Explorer? If the former, what about good ol' TuxRacer? I was so addicted to that game back in the day... :-p -Mike On Apr 6, 2005 10:37 PM, Raul S. wrote: > I was talking to a friend of mine and he mentioned > something about linux on his email so this is what I > told him: > > Hey, so are you learning linux. Good, you finally saw > the light. You'll love it! > > He responded by email with this: > > Right now the light is just a flicker? > > Its another OS, not enough software out there for it ? > what there is ? > > its clumsy, and a cheesy ripoff of windows apps?. > > I'd like to see more ORIGINAL apps?. > > Gimme something WINDOWS is copying from RHL?? any > suggestions? > > --- > So my question is, being a Linux amateur, what should > I tell him? suggestions? > Thanks. > > Raul > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Apr 7 00:27:51 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Apr 6 23:06:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] WiFi in Lakehills In-Reply-To: <20050407031422.82201.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050407031422.82201.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1112848072.16475.89.camel@laptop> On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 22:14, Mary Yatti wrote: I recently bought a Uniden Scanner and am amazed at all the stuff I'm able to hear. It picks up cell and cordless phone conversations. Don't openly admit that Mary --- there's a law against monitoring cell conversations! Can you believe it -- a law against listening to a radio!!! Sorry, for the long rant. But, is Satellite more secure than wireless Internet? I only use my laptop surf wirelessly and I have nothing important on it and I don't engage in online transactions. If its transmitted over radio from one place to another and you're not using heavy encryption -- its not secure. Don't let the satellite company snow you -- unless they are using a good encryption, its not secure. 3DES may be acceptable (even thought its been broken) as its still good enough to evade common real-time decryption (unless you have a Cray handy). But anything less than 3DES is not acceptable. Chuck From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Apr 7 00:28:25 2005 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Apr 6 23:07:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: <4154519d0504062050703b487@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4154519d0504062050703b487@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4254B6E9.5060104@futuretechsolutions.com> Appologies in advance if I go on a rant, as I'm not sure what number is on my current glass of wine. As for the FireFox thing, wasn't IE developed to competete with Netscape which is the roots of Mozilla, and thus FireFox, (its been a few years). As for other applications, well, I personally like MythTV and mplayer. I have grown to really hate drive letters. But my main motivation for switching from M$ to linux was M$'s own marketing department, yep, that "XP is our most secure..." crap they were spouting when XP was scheduled for release. Sure the transition was a bit of a pain, but I hate all those damned wizards M$ put you through, especially when half the time, the OS does what it wants even if you told the wizard something completely different when you went through that pain in the ass. Give me plain text configuration files anyday, GUI's are nice, but I occasionaly want more. As for the network thing, well, Unix, (the motivation for Linux), and Linux, were developed with network and multiuser in mind from the beginning, can we truly say that about M$. In consideration on non OS software produced by M$, I truly enjoy most aspects of MS Office, with the exception of not being able to use older MS Office formats, (well, that may be different now, but as I dumped M$ when XP came out, I have little current refference). OpenOffice on the other hand, can import just about any format you want. Well, my glass is almost empty now, so I must go and remedy that situation. Chuck Mike Wallace wrote: >Original application? Do you mean original like "original idea" or >"original" meaning that the app was first developed on Linux? If the >latter, what about something like The Gimp or Firefox? Of would your >friend think those are "clumsy, cheesy ripoffs" of Photoshop and >Internet Explorer? If the former, what about good ol' TuxRacer? I >was so addicted to that game back in the day... :-p > >-Mike > >On Apr 6, 2005 10:37 PM, Raul S. wrote: > > >>I was talking to a friend of mine and he mentioned >>something about linux on his email so this is what I >>told him: >> >>Hey, so are you learning linux. Good, you finally saw >>the light. You'll love it! >> >>He responded by email with this: >> >>Right now the light is just a flicker? >> >>Its another OS, not enough software out there for it ? >>what there is ? >> >>its clumsy, and a cheesy ripoff of windows apps?. >> >>I'd like to see more ORIGINAL apps?. >> >>Gimme something WINDOWS is copying from RHL?? any >>suggestions? >> >>--- >>So my question is, being a Linux amateur, what should >>I tell him? suggestions? >>Thanks. >> >>Raul >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SATLUG mailing list >>SATLUG@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Apr 7 00:36:26 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Apr 6 23:15:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1112848588.16496.98.camel@laptop> How about asking him for something original from M$??? Not their original OS -- they milked that deal from the original writer and IBM. Not the GUI -- they stole that from Apple. Not most of their IP stacks -- they got that from BSD I've heard. Not most of their programs, they've either stolen them, run the other companies out of business (Netscape), or just bought up the smaller/better guys. And everything they touch -- they screw up (Java and Kerbos are the most recent examples). Maybe the only original ideas they had was putting scripting capabilities into their mail clients and browsers. And everyone knows what that's done!!! Turned the Internet into the biggest virus distribution system conceivable. Think about it -- the only way things could be worse would be M$'s stand on security if Linux hadn't come along and kicked its ass. Its only because Linux can be secure that they finally got the idea. Chuck On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 22:37, Raul S. wrote: I was talking to a friend of mine and he mentioned something about linux on his email so this is what I told him: Hey, so are you learning linux. Good, you finally saw the light. You'll love it! He responded by email with this: Right now the light is just a flicker Its another OS, not enough software out there for it what there is its clumsy, and a cheesy ripoff of windows apps . I?d like to see more ORIGINAL apps . Gimme something WINDOWS is copying from RHL any suggestions? --- So my question is, being a Linux amateur, what should I tell him? suggestions? Thanks. Raul _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 01:01:19 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Wed Apr 6 23:40:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: <1112848588.16496.98.camel@laptop> References: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1112848588.16496.98.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4154519d050406220149ac2059@mail.gmail.com> Another idea of what M$ took from others ... way back in the late 90s, Microsoft bought HotMail which was running under FreeBSD/Apache and Solaris. MS tried a couple of times to convert the machines to NT and failed. If memory serves, they finally managed to migrate the FreeBSD to Windows 2000, but I haven't heard anything with respect to the Solaris machines. For all we know, HotMail is still running on Solaris rather than Windows. Someone correct me if I'm recalling something wrong here. As for something original from MS, there's DOS ... oh, wait, they bought that for a song. Well there was Windows ... which was a ripoff of Macintosh. But there are a number of smaller programs they developed... er, got when they bought out their competition. MS apparently developed Visual Basic. No one other than Microsoft would not only develop a language that retarded but also have their programmers actually try to do something with it. MS also gets accolades for developing Access, one of the crappiest so-called databases in memory. For graphics, there's MS Paint! Now that's a winner. The Gimp doesn't have anything on MS Paint. I could go on, but why? -Mike On 06 Apr 2005 23:36:26 -0500, Chuck wrote: > How about asking him for something original from M$??? Not their > original OS -- they milked that deal from the original writer and IBM. > Not the GUI -- they stole that from Apple. Not most of their IP stacks > -- they got that from BSD I've heard. Not most of their programs, > they've either stolen them, run the other companies out of business > (Netscape), or just bought up the smaller/better guys. And everything > they touch -- they screw up (Java and Kerbos are the most recent > examples). > > Maybe the only original ideas they had was putting scripting > capabilities into their mail clients and browsers. And everyone knows > what that's done!!! Turned the Internet into the biggest virus > distribution system conceivable. Think about it -- the only way things > could be worse would be M$'s stand on security if Linux hadn't come > along and kicked its ass. Its only because Linux can be secure that > they finally got the idea. > > > Chuck > > > On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 22:37, Raul S. wrote: > > I was talking to a friend of mine and he mentioned > something about linux on his email so this is what I > told him: > > Hey, so are you learning linux. Good, you finally saw > the light. You'll love it! > > He responded by email with this: > > Right now the light is just a flicker > > Its another OS, not enough software out there for it > what there is > > its clumsy, and a cheesy ripoff of windows apps . > > I'd like to see more ORIGINAL apps . > > Gimme something WINDOWS is copying from RHL any > suggestions? > > --- > So my question is, being a Linux amateur, what should > I tell him? suggestions? > Thanks. > > Raul > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From eli at then7.com Thu Apr 7 09:29:47 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Thu Apr 7 08:18:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: <1112848588.16496.98.camel@laptop> References: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1112848588.16496.98.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4193.208.191.193.120.1112880587.squirrel@208.191.193.120> > How about asking him for something original from M$??? (in agreement) MS hardly creates anything from the ground floor...they just buy what they need. *************************************************************************** December 16, 2004 - Microsoft purchases Giant Company Software, a developer of spyware software. July 15, 2004 - Microsoft announces it will purchase Lookout Software LLC. June 10, 2003 - GeCAD Software announces a definite agreement with Microsoft in acquiring GeCAD's antivirus technology. February 19, 2003 - Microsoft to acquire Connectix. January 21, 2003 - Microsoft to acquire PlaceWare. October 22, 2002 - Microsoft acquires Vicinity Corporation. September 29, 2002 - Microsoft buys British game developer Rare Ltd. for $375 million December 09, 2001 - Microsoft to buy Navision for $1.33 Billion. May 3, 2001 - Microsoft acquires Ensemble Studios. April 30, 2001 - Microsoft to acquire NCompass Labs. December 21, 2000 - Microsoft acquires Great Plains Software. December 5, 2000 - Microsoft to acquire Digital Anvil. September 18, 2000 - Microsoft acquires Pacific Microsonics Inc. September 13, 2000 - Microsoft acquires MongoMusic. July 12, 2000 - Microsoft acquires NetGames. June 19, 2000 - Microsoft Corporation today announced that it has bought Bungie Software Products Corporation for undisclosed terms. This move will allow Microsoft to release the highly anticipated game Halo, for its upcoming X-box. June 12, 2000 - Microsoft to acquire Driveoff.Com. February 29, 2000 - Microsoft to acquire Peach Networks. October 29, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Entropic. September 17, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Softway Systems. September 15, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Visio Corp. July 21, 1999 - Microsoft acquires STNC. July 1, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Sendit. June 15, 1999 - Microsoft acquires OmniBrowse Inc. June 7, 1999 - Microsoft to acquire ShadowFactor. April 26, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Jump Networks. April 19, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Access software. March 4, 1999 - Microsoft acquires CompareNet Inc. January 7, 1999 - Microsoft announces it will acquire FASA Interactive. November 5, 1998 - Microsoft acquires LinkExchange Inc. August 25, 1998 - Microsoft acquires Valence Research. April 28, 1998 - Microsoft to acquire MESA group. April 9, 1998 - Microsoft to acquire Firefly Network Inc. February 23, 1998 - Microsoft to acquire Flash Communications. January 3, 1998 - Microsoft buys Hotmail, a deal with a speculated value of up to $400 million. July 7, 1999 - Microsoft acquires ZOOMIT. August 5, 1997 - Microsoft announces acquisition of VXtreme. June 30, 1997 - Microsoft acquires LinkAge Software. June 13, 1997 - Microsoft acquires Cooper & Peters. May 7, 1997 - Microsoft acquires Dimension X. April 6, 1997 - Microsoft to acquire WebTV Networks. March 4, 1997 - Microsoft to acquire Interse. December 10, 1996 - Microsoft acquires NetCarta. November 20, 1996 - Microsoft acquires ResNova. June 11, 1996 - Microsoft acquires eShop Inc. April 15, 1996 - Microsoft acquires EXOS Inc. April 8, 1996 - Microsoft to acquire aha! software. March 12, 1996 - Microsoft announces the acquisition of Colusa Software Inc. March 1996 - Microsoft acquires Aspect engineering. January 16, 1996 - Microsoft acquires Vermeer Technologies Inc. December 12, 1995 - Microsoft acquires Bruce Artwick Organization October 16, 1995 - Microsoft acquires Blue Ribbon Soundworks. November 15, 1994 - Microsoft acquires One Tree Software. June 28, 1994 - Microsoft acquires Softimage Inc., this company is later sold to Avid Technology Inc. on June 15, 1998. 1987 - Microsoft purchases Forethought Incorporated. The company that developed the presentation software PowerPoint From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Apr 7 10:29:38 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Apr 7 09:08:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) Macromedia Flash can be used to track us Message-ID: Some interesting privacy news from GRC.com that probably affects Flash player on all platforms. Is there any firewall fingerprint that can block this at the border, instead of changing settings on each GUI-equipped box? Or maybe Default Deny should apply to port 80 as well. --Don -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- In grc.news, Steve Gibson wrote: Folks, In case you haven't yet heard, it turns out that the increasingly ubiquitous Macromedia Flash MX player allows web sites to store persistent information about us -- who knew? -- and that this makes it possible to have deleted cookies reconstituted. The good news is that there's a way to configure the Macromedia Flash player that you most likely already have installed in your system so that it won't do this. Here's the report on Techweb ... http://www.techweb.com/wire/ebiz/160400719 And here's the page you can visit on Macromedia's site to adjust your Flash player settings for security. I turned EVERYTHING off, deleted all past information stored by sites I had previous visited, and have prevented any future sites from storing anything: This TinyURL expands to the long wrapping URL below it ... http://tinyurl.com/6fo7r http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/ help/settings_manager02.html >--------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a snip from the top of the Techweb report ... "Technology Uses Macromedia Flash MX to Thwart Cookie Purgers" A New York company has begun offering persistent identification element, or PIE, technology which "undermines" consumers' attempts to remove cookies from their computers. By making use of the local shared objects feature in Macromedia's Flash MX, PIE tags a flash object to the user's browser when a PIE site is visited; the tag acts as a sort of back-up cookie and can be used to restore a deleted cookie when the site is revisited. Macromedia has posted instructions on its web site for disabling shared objects uploaded to browsers. -- _________________________________________________________________ Steve. From hharadon at earthlink.net Thu Apr 7 10:38:50 2005 From: hharadon at earthlink.net (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Apr 7 09:17:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Mandrake is now Mandriva Message-ID: <425545FA.5080209@earthlink.net> Hi, You heard it here first. Everyone using Mandrake has new software, Mandriva ! Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX 78249-1401 From davidcrockett at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 08:58:53 2005 From: davidcrockett at yahoo.com (Henry Crockett) Date: Thu Apr 7 09:37:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] WiFi in Lakehills In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050407145853.11809.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> > But, is Satellite more > secure than wireless Internet? I only use my laptop > surf wirelessly and I have nothing important on it and > I don't engage in online transactions. You can't really compare the two. Typically a home user has 2 network loops 1.ISP to your home modem & 2. Modem to CPU. So for 1. you can do dial up, DSL, cable, satellite, or broadcast wireless(not available here to my knowledge). Of these satellite is the most easily tapped (but to my way of thinking the number of people than can or would do this is very small). The second from Modem to CPU, most people I know use router/switch to network cable which is fastest & most secure or router/WiFi which is more convenient but much less secure in the default configuration. It can be fairly secure if you actually read the documentation. (What I mean by fairly secure is that anyone on this mailing list with spare time & nursing a grudge could probably break your encryption & spoof your MAC address, but most teen hackers would just move on to the next target which did NOT attempt to secure thier Wi-Fi.) Another thing to remember is that most web sites doing business on the net use another layer of security between your browser & thier server so my concern over security on the net is very low (compared to handing over my physical credit card & signature to a minimum wage guy at a store or where ever). > I'd like nothing better than to sit lakeside > on a picnic bench with my six border collie pups and > surf the web wirelessly. WAAA, I miss my BC who died at age 15 about 2.5 years ago: http://www.geocities.com/davidcrockett/skye.html Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Associate Professor, Computer Information Systems & Security, School of Business Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, TX 78207-4689 Voice: 210-434-6711X8156 Fax: 210-434-0821 http://www.davidcrockett.net "A wise chieftan adapts - he doesn't compromise." - Attila T. Hun From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 14:37:38 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Apr 7 13:16:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Raul S. wrote: > Gimme something WINDOWS is copying from RHL?? any > suggestions? If you see Microsoft copying from RHL, or any still functioning *nix company, then hang onto your rear end. It will mean they are no longer worried about the government busting them for restraint of trade. They might buy Red Hat. They probably won't because Red Hat provides enough of a "controllable" competition to keep the government away. > I'd like to see more ORIGINAL apps?. > Mozilla Firefox has one great feature Internet Explorer doesn't have: It's called tabs. You can have a zillion web pages open and jump from one to the other by simply clicking on each tab. I am a happy camper using tabs ... I was a big Netscape fan and user until it was sold... Robert From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Thu Apr 7 16:55:48 2005 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Thu Apr 7 15:34:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Slack 10.1 screensaver issue Message-ID: <046d01c53bb4$2d835160$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk> Since my upgrade from Slack 10 to 10.1, everything has been pretty smooth but I'm catching a minor glitch here and there. Most prominently, all of my 2D (or I guess I should say "non-3D-accelerated") screensavers will not work anymore! If I select one and click on "Test" it previews fine, but if I wait for the screensaver to kick on automatically the screen just blanks and that's all! OpenGL screensavers seem to start just fine and as expected, though. I don't know enough about how KDE starts screensavers to know exactly what could be happening, although I'm guessing accelerated screensavers get handled differently. Anyway, I don't see any weird logs or anything so I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts? David PS Also having trouble installing the GTK2+ Perl module (all other Perl modules have had no problems), but I'm still fiddling with that issue. From mester at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 7 19:29:44 2005 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Thu Apr 7 18:08:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) Macromedia Flash can be used to track us In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050407182944.59fb2b87@ws400.satx.rr.com> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:29:38 -0500 Don Wright wrote: > Some interesting privacy news from GRC.com that probably affects Flash > player on all platforms. > > Is there any firewall fingerprint that can block this at the border, > instead of changing settings on each GUI-equipped box? Or maybe > Default Deny should apply to port 80 as well. --Don > Or use Dillo, perhaps? ;-) http://www.dillo.org/ It's handy for those who are more interested in reading the content of a page; rather than viewing the cute Flash animations and ads (read: CPU cycle-eaters). -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 AOL Instant Messenger: hermsys Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to Microsoft Office: http://www.openoffice.org From afcasta at texas.net Fri Apr 8 07:00:40 2005 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Fri Apr 8 05:43:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: [Web-Informant] #405, WiFi as urban renewal In-Reply-To: <1112843943.16496.77.camel@laptop> References: <20050406163822.2F24947B7A@lh.avolio.com> <1112843943.16496.77.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1112958040.6829.11.camel@phrodo> On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 22:19 -0500, Chuck wrote: > I can confirm this one. > > And finally, hotels and hospitality services are getting > into the act, opening up their own properties with free > wireless throughout. Many are finally realizing that > business travelers, such as me, are actually searching for > free wireless when we book rooms on our trips. > I've installed wireless networks for a couple of local hotels and kept > up even more long-term. Been working with a couple of them for over two > years now. These hotels/motels had initially installed the networks > JUST to be competitive with the other motels/hotels that offered "Free > Wireless Access". OK, sounds logical. I've been traveling a bit the past few months, doing UNIX/Oracle upgrades and installs around the country, and every Marriott or Quality Inn has had either WiFi or wired access in the room. Some hotels are just now transitioning to WiFi from WebTV (which they'd have preferred to keep, since they can charge for it by the day). The WiFi hotels were in Laurel, MD, Jacksonville, FL (where most of the hotels upgraded to compete for Super Bowl visitors not long ago), Chicago, Honolulu, and San Diego. As for the Quality Inn WiFi rollout, you can check their web sites because those who've already upgraded state so on their web pages. Beware of any hotel that just lists "high speed Internet access" because many of them are still using the HotelTV version of WebTV. At the hotel in Honolulu, a whole floor was taken up by some spring breakers having a LAN party (talk about geeks! - why not just go down to Waikiki beach and meet girls?). Al Castanoli (next bound for the sprawling metropolis of Killeen) From mdfilio at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 10:23:30 2005 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:02:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: References: <20050407033732.6069.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I am a happy camper using tabs ... > I was a big Netscape fan and user until it was sold... > >From what I understand.. M$ is implementing tabs in their next version of IE, among some other Firefox ideas. From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 10:52:49 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:31:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Bad Sci-Fi? In-Reply-To: <20050406165738.57836.qmail@web52601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050406165738.57836.qmail@web52601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869de847050408075244596d2a@mail.gmail.com> BWAHAHAHAHA.. .:P that was great... I also like the Wireless Testing Foundation: WTF. Matt FIRESTORM_v1 On Apr 6, 2005 11:57 AM, Henry Crockett wrote: > Yes sir, this was an April Fools joke. See > http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=08041 where they have the "full > story" on the first. The other 4/1/05 stories on the tidbits site are pretty > funny also. My favorite part of this one was "investigator Cindy Aerie" > (incendiary). > > --- Geoff wrote: > > http://www.speedguide.net/read_news.php?id=1621 > > > > Seattle And Other Cities Ban Free Public Wi-Fi > > 04.05.2005 09:38 by downhill > > > > TidBits > > > > Seattle's City Council has passed an emergency measure to ban free > > Wi-Fi access within city limits, following testimony from experts and > > fire officials regarding their investigation of last week's explosion > > at the popular "Beans, Beans, The Magical Fruit" coffeehouse. The > > measure takes effect immediately; individuals or businesses found to > > be operating unregulated Wi-Fi access will be subject to misdemeanor > > charges, confiscation of Wi-Fi equipment, and fines of up to $5,000. > > Seattle will also create a Wi-Fi Testing Foundation (WTF) to assess > > and regulate Wi-Fi access within city limits. The WTF will consider a > > proposal in which users of Wi-Fi would be required by law to limit > > their use in coffeehouses to email and text-only Web sites (or Web > > browsing which images turned off). > > > > Lead fire investigator Cindy Aerie noted that while the official > > investigation was not yet complete, all evidence indicated the > > explosion was caused by the owners' re-locating one of the > > establishment's two high-capacity espresso machines to make room for > > more seating. The machine's new location was at the center of an > > invisible "Wi-Fi hotzone" within the building, where transmission > > traffic from wireless Internet users and hardware both inside the > > coffeehouse and from nearby homes and businesses focussed and excited > > water molecules in the air and within the coffee machine's boiler. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > -Geoff > > > > Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. > > Get the Lead out to reply. > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Associate Professor, > Computer Information Systems & Security, School of Business > Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, TX 78207-4689 > Voice: 210-434-6711X8156 Fax: 210-434-0821 > http://www.davidcrockett.net > "A wise chieftan adapts - he doesn't compromise." - Attila T. Hun > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From swinston at global-gaming.com Fri Apr 8 12:30:35 2005 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:49:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] DrQueue Message-ID: I know this is a long shot, but I figure there might be one or two out there interested in renderfarms so.... Does anyone on the list have DrQueue? drqueue.org seems to be down. And yep, I'm building a renderfarm. From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Apr 8 12:16:24 2005 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes) Date: Fri Apr 8 10:55:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: <4193.208.191.193.120.1112880587.squirrel@208.191.193.120> Message-ID: <200504081616.j38GGUPc016394@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> Hey Eli! I've seen that list before but I lost the link for the website. I know it was linked through F***microsoft.com but that site has changed so much that even my forwarding email account no longer works. (not as if I cared about that) If you could please forward the link that lists all of microsofts buyup, never created anything original, timeline list. Thanks Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Administrator SwapNEtwork eXtreme, LLC -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Eli Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:30 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? > How about asking him for something original from M$??? (in agreement) MS hardly creates anything from the ground floor...they just buy what they need. *************************************************************************** December 16, 2004 - Microsoft purchases Giant Company Software, a developer of spyware software. July 15, 2004 - Microsoft announces it will purchase Lookout Software LLC. June 10, 2003 - GeCAD Software announces a definite agreement with Microsoft in acquiring GeCAD's antivirus technology. February 19, 2003 - Microsoft to acquire Connectix. January 21, 2003 - Microsoft to acquire PlaceWare. October 22, 2002 - Microsoft acquires Vicinity Corporation. September 29, 2002 - Microsoft buys British game developer Rare Ltd. for $375 million December 09, 2001 - Microsoft to buy Navision for $1.33 Billion. May 3, 2001 - Microsoft acquires Ensemble Studios. April 30, 2001 - Microsoft to acquire NCompass Labs. December 21, 2000 - Microsoft acquires Great Plains Software. December 5, 2000 - Microsoft to acquire Digital Anvil. September 18, 2000 - Microsoft acquires Pacific Microsonics Inc. September 13, 2000 - Microsoft acquires MongoMusic. July 12, 2000 - Microsoft acquires NetGames. June 19, 2000 - Microsoft Corporation today announced that it has bought Bungie Software Products Corporation for undisclosed terms. This move will allow Microsoft to release the highly anticipated game Halo, for its upcoming X-box. June 12, 2000 - Microsoft to acquire Driveoff.Com. February 29, 2000 - Microsoft to acquire Peach Networks. October 29, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Entropic. September 17, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Softway Systems. September 15, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Visio Corp. July 21, 1999 - Microsoft acquires STNC. July 1, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Sendit. June 15, 1999 - Microsoft acquires OmniBrowse Inc. June 7, 1999 - Microsoft to acquire ShadowFactor. April 26, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Jump Networks. April 19, 1999 - Microsoft acquires Access software. March 4, 1999 - Microsoft acquires CompareNet Inc. January 7, 1999 - Microsoft announces it will acquire FASA Interactive. November 5, 1998 - Microsoft acquires LinkExchange Inc. August 25, 1998 - Microsoft acquires Valence Research. April 28, 1998 - Microsoft to acquire MESA group. April 9, 1998 - Microsoft to acquire Firefly Network Inc. February 23, 1998 - Microsoft to acquire Flash Communications. January 3, 1998 - Microsoft buys Hotmail, a deal with a speculated value of up to $400 million. July 7, 1999 - Microsoft acquires ZOOMIT. August 5, 1997 - Microsoft announces acquisition of VXtreme. June 30, 1997 - Microsoft acquires LinkAge Software. June 13, 1997 - Microsoft acquires Cooper & Peters. May 7, 1997 - Microsoft acquires Dimension X. April 6, 1997 - Microsoft to acquire WebTV Networks. March 4, 1997 - Microsoft to acquire Interse. December 10, 1996 - Microsoft acquires NetCarta. November 20, 1996 - Microsoft acquires ResNova. June 11, 1996 - Microsoft acquires eShop Inc. April 15, 1996 - Microsoft acquires EXOS Inc. April 8, 1996 - Microsoft to acquire aha! software. March 12, 1996 - Microsoft announces the acquisition of Colusa Software Inc. March 1996 - Microsoft acquires Aspect engineering. January 16, 1996 - Microsoft acquires Vermeer Technologies Inc. December 12, 1995 - Microsoft acquires Bruce Artwick Organization October 16, 1995 - Microsoft acquires Blue Ribbon Soundworks. November 15, 1994 - Microsoft acquires One Tree Software. June 28, 1994 - Microsoft acquires Softimage Inc., this company is later sold to Avid Technology Inc. on June 15, 1998. 1987 - Microsoft purchases Forethought Incorporated. The company that developed the presentation software PowerPoint _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From eli at then7.com Fri Apr 8 12:14:39 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Apr 8 11:03:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? In-Reply-To: <200504081616.j38GGUPc016394@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> References: <4193.208.191.193.120.1112880587.squirrel@208.191.193.120> <200504081616.j38GGUPc016394@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <1434.208.191.193.120.1112976879.squirrel@208.191.193.120> Not sure if this is what you were looking for, but here's the page I got it from: http://www.computerhope.com/comp/msoft.htm It has other info as well. I just edited it down. ~e > Hey Eli! > > I've seen that list before but I lost the link for the website. I know > it was linked through F***microsoft.com but that site has changed so much > that even my forwarding email account no longer works. (not as if I cared > about that) If you could please forward the link that lists all of > microsofts buyup, never created anything original, timeline list. > > Thanks > > > Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" > Network Security Administrator > SwapNEtwork eXtreme, LLC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf > Of Eli > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:30 AM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] What did MS copy? > >> How about asking him for something original from M$??? > > (in agreement) > > MS hardly creates anything from the ground floor...they just buy what they > need. > > ********************************************