From chuck at tetlow.net Sat Jan 1 00:11:59 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Dec 31 23:53:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Happy New Years Message-ID: <1104559922.12549.991.camel@laptop> Hi everyone, Happy New Year. Enjoy this little one to start the year off right. http://web.icq.com/friendship/swf/0,,16961_rs,00.swf P.S. -- Turn on your sound card! Chuck From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Jan 1 05:52:42 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Jan 1 05:34:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wire Transfers In-Reply-To: <1104544443.4279.978.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200501011152.j01BqgdW020243@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Well, that sounds very handy Mary. New bank shows the money showing up, > old bank doesn't show it leaving. Double-the-money, double-the-fun! > > Tell us how you did that Mary! Only works under Linux...this trick cannot be duplicated with a Micro$oft product :-) -Borries From afcasta at texas.net Sat Jan 1 11:24:03 2005 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat Jan 1 11:05:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] rdesktop on SELinux Message-ID: <41D6DCB3.2020601@texas.net> I'm running a laptop booted to SELinux on Fedora3 over 802.11b and would like to rdesktop to my Debian server, but so far the only way I can get it to $ ssh -X -l username servername is to edit grub to turn off SELinux. Is there some way to allow X connections through SELinux without disabling it totally? I doubt this is a Fedora issue, as I was running Knoppix 3.7 and Fedora2 on the laptop with no trubs before installing SELinux/Fedora3. I'd just like the other aspects of SELinux to keep working while allowing the rdesktop connection. Al Castanoli From pandemic at syn-recon.net Sat Jan 1 12:40:48 2005 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net) Date: Sat Jan 1 12:22:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] rdesktop on SELinux In-Reply-To: <41D6DCB3.2020601@texas.net> References: <41D6DCB3.2020601@texas.net> Message-ID: <41D6EEB0.10406@syn-recon.net> Al Castanoli wrote: > I'm running a laptop booted to SELinux on Fedora3 over 802.11b and would > like to rdesktop to my Debian server, but so far the only way I > can get it to $ ssh -X -l username servername > is to edit grub to turn off SELinux. Is there some way to allow X > connections through SELinux without disabling it totally? > > I doubt this is a Fedora issue, as I was running Knoppix 3.7 and Fedora2 > on the laptop with no trubs before installing SELinux/Fedora3. I'd just > like the other aspects of SELinux to keep working while allowing the > rdesktop connection. > > Al Castanoli Have you tried switching to the warning only policy set to see what SELinux doesn't like ? Florian From edcoates at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 14:13:01 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sat Jan 1 13:54:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] rdesktop on SELinux In-Reply-To: <41D6EEB0.10406@syn-recon.net> References: <41D6DCB3.2020601@texas.net> <41D6EEB0.10406@syn-recon.net> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0501011213617ad772@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:40:48 -0600, pandemic@syn-recon.net wrote: > Al Castanoli wrote: > > I'm running a laptop booted to SELinux on Fedora3 over 802.11b and would > > like to rdesktop to my Debian server, but so far the only way I > > can get it to $ ssh -X -l username servername > > is to edit grub to turn off SELinux. Is there some way to allow X > > connections through SELinux without disabling it totally? > > > > I doubt this is a Fedora issue, as I was running Knoppix 3.7 and Fedora2 > > on the laptop with no trubs before installing SELinux/Fedora3. I'd just > > like the other aspects of SELinux to keep working while allowing the > > rdesktop connection. > > > > Al Castanoli > > > Have you tried switching to the warning only policy set to see what > SELinux doesn't like ? > > Florian Could possibly be an X issue. Check the process to see if it's running with the nolisten, or nolistentcp or something similar. Don't recall it right off hand the exact switch, but it seems that the lastest distro all have that switch which will not listen for tcp connection for redisplay. Not sure where on Fedora to tell you to change it, as I use Gentoo though, but it will be in one of the config files for your distro. Ed From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 17:12:56 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sat Jan 1 16:54:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] rdesktop on SELinux In-Reply-To: <41D6DCB3.2020601@texas.net> References: <41D6DCB3.2020601@texas.net> Message-ID: <128bff2f05010115124f374d09@mail.gmail.com> Do a man or look into audit2allow this is a program that helps you figure out what to put into you policy files to allow programs to work in SElinux. Also check your log files for messages pertaining to the affected program. Try this command audit2allow -i /var/log/messages this will read the log file and create rules for the error message contained within Zeb On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:24:03 -0600, Al Castanoli wrote: > I'm running a laptop booted to SELinux on Fedora3 over 802.11b and would > like to rdesktop to my Debian server, but so far the only way I > can get it to > $ ssh -X -l username servername > is to edit grub to turn off SELinux. Is there some way to allow X > connections through SELinux without disabling it totally? > > I doubt this is a Fedora issue, as I was running Knoppix 3.7 and Fedora2 > on the laptop with no trubs before installing SELinux/Fedora3. I'd just > like the other aspects of SELinux to keep working while allowing the > rdesktop connection. > > Al Castanoli > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From cilorentson at devtex.net Sat Jan 1 23:15:22 2005 From: cilorentson at devtex.net (Chuck Lorentson) Date: Sat Jan 1 22:53:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Satlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <200501011800.j01I0AY04871@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200501011800.j01I0AY04871@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <41D7836A.2020906@devtex.net> Ok, I am just going to 'jump in'. I will try to be short. I am looking for the next scheduled 'install/fest' and location?? thanks in advance. "73" cil From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jan 2 00:46:06 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jan 2 00:27:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: openldap on Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <277020fc04123014064aab16d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0412301212cf26d65@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041230123244b43011@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc04123014064aab16d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200501020046.06442.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 30 December 2004 04:06 pm, Sean Carolan wrote: > info on this perplexing topic. I just tried connecting to my LDAP > server from a windoze box using Outlook - and guess what - it works > just fine, I'm able to search and pull up names that are in the > database. As a test.. try shutting off iptables: # /etc/init.d/iptables stop If it works.. then you have a iptables rule or con-track related problem. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jan 2 00:47:51 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jan 2 00:29:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wire Transfers In-Reply-To: <200501011152.j01BqgdW020243@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200501011152.j01BqgdW020243@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <200501020047.51782.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 01 January 2005 05:52 am, Borries Demeler wrote: > > Well, that sounds very handy Mary. New bank shows the money showing up, > > old bank doesn't show it leaving. Double-the-money, double-the-fun! > > > > Tell us how you did that Mary! > > Only works under Linux...this trick cannot be duplicated with a Micro$oft > product Wow! Talk about Open Source saving your company money! hehe Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jan 2 00:53:13 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jan 2 00:34:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Outgoing Port 25 In-Reply-To: References: <8ee65edd04122212051a39eb85@mail.gmail.com> <200412300103.07235.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200501020053.13582.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 30 December 2004 10:39 am, Don Wright wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:03:07 -0600, Tom Weeks > > wrote: > >Second.. I don't want some steenkin' ISP fondling all my outgoing mail > > with their Carnivore system(s)! > > First, it ain't the ISP installing the red, white, and blue box. Right.. should have been more specific.. The Feds and Homeland Security drones. > Second, if Security Directorate gets interested in you, the only way of > avoiding their taps is to move yourself offshore where they can't get > secret warrants and move your communications off-planet where they can't > get travel vouchers. Yeah.. but they could still use long distance Tempest taps on me. I'm thinking a parallel universe might be the most secure.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jan 2 01:05:14 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jan 2 00:46:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Outgoing Port 25 In-Reply-To: <1104464631.4279.948.camel@laptop> References: <8ee65edd04122212051a39eb85@mail.gmail.com> <200412300103.07235.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1104464631.4279.948.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200501020105.14083.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 30 December 2004 09:43 pm, Chuck wrote: > I don't want them grooming their fingers thru all my connections and > data. Its just the principle of it. And I think I'm just about to dump > RoadRunner -- with that as just one of the reasons. Yeah... I don't even let them force me to use their DNS to find out where I go by running a caching name server on my home LAN (although they can still examine raw traffic I suppose). Hmmm.. For a truly secure connection... a VPN proxy might be interesting to set up.. :) > I agree on that one too Tom. I'm not doing anything that wouldn't stand > up to the closest scrutiny. But that's not the point of it -- the > Constitution says they don't have the right to go thru my stuff without > showing some evidence to substantiate it. But it seems like we're > loosing more and more liberties every day in the name of "security". Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. -Ben Franklin > Anyway, I'm of the school that goes with Ben Franklin -> "They that can > give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." Heh... yeah.. on the same page obviously. From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Jan 2 01:38:46 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sun Jan 2 01:20:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: InstallFest (was:Satlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1) In-Reply-To: <41D7836A.2020906@devtex.net> References: <200501011800.j01I0AY04871@alamo.satlug.org> <41D7836A.2020906@devtex.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:15:22 -0600, Chuck Lorentson wrote: >Ok, I am just going to 'jump in'. I will try to be short. I am looking >for the next scheduled 'install/fest' and location?? thanks in >advance. "73" cil Unless someone remembers one sooner, there exists the option of showing up at the next ComputerFest (Jan 29-30 I think; www.pcshows.com isn't updated yet) with your box and selected distro on CD, and the LUGgers in residence will offer kind thoughts. Make arrangements in advance and someone who knows your hardware/software might even agree to show up and offer guidance. Doing it at the show isn't the preferred way, but we try to be helpful. What kind of PC is it? (Be as specific as possible.) What is it running now? What do you want it to run? Do you need dual boot of Linux and something else? SATLUGgers-- Would someone please post (or rebuild) the pre-install checklist used at a previous IF? Should this be a form available at www.satlug.org? --Don From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Jan 2 01:47:33 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sun Jan 2 01:28:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix: Now what? Message-ID: There's a Free guide to Knoppix online at: http://www.pjls16812.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/knowing-knoppix/ The author has posted it under the GNU Free Documentation License so we might even consider mirroring it on our site. People that pick up Knoppix CDs at our ComputerFest booth might want additional info, so a link that's obvious to visitors could be helpful. It's a touch outdated, based on Knoppix 3.3, but still useful. Thoughts? --Don From dave at coverstreet.com Sun Jan 2 09:49:09 2005 From: dave at coverstreet.com (Dave) Date: Sun Jan 2 08:26:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Enforcing Robots.txt Message-ID: <1104677349.30678.110.camel@mojojojo.gamers> Has anyone found a good way to enforce obviously malfunctioning web spiders to adhere to your robots.txt on your web server? I've tried creating a /.htaccess, but that doesn't seem to help, and if it did would only work against known problem children I put in there already. I've just been playing with a program called RobotCop that's supposed to monitor a trap directory and if a spider tries to access it, it blocks all their other requests, but it dies with a "Robotcop: Failed to add IP address to monitor list." error every time I try it. So does anyone know a good way to stop these broken spiders from sucking down parts of your website you've specifically told them not to? Not that I've got anything interesting on my web site, but this is just freakin' annoying. thanks, -Dave Oh yeah, RedHat 8, Apache 1.3.33, Perl, PHP, etc, etc, etc. From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Sun Jan 2 10:00:37 2005 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Sun Jan 2 09:42:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Enforcing Robots.txt In-Reply-To: <1104677349.30678.110.camel@mojojojo.gamers> References: <1104677349.30678.110.camel@mojojojo.gamers> Message-ID: <1104681637.20909.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> How about checking the permissions on the file it writes to? On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 08:49, Dave wrote: > Has anyone found a good way to enforce obviously malfunctioning web > spiders to adhere to your robots.txt on your web server? > > I've tried creating a /.htaccess, but that doesn't seem to help, and if > it did would only work against known problem children I put in there > already. I've just been playing with a program called RobotCop that's > supposed to monitor a trap directory and if a spider tries to access it, > it blocks all their other requests, but it dies with a "Robotcop: Failed > to add IP address to monitor list." error every time I try it. > > So does anyone know a good way to stop these broken spiders from sucking > down parts of your website you've specifically told them not to? Not > that I've got anything interesting on my web site, but this is just > freakin' annoying. > > thanks, > -Dave > > Oh yeah, RedHat 8, Apache 1.3.33, Perl, PHP, etc, etc, etc. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Ph:214-783-0594 tbeck@dragon-designs.net http://www.dragon-designs.net/~tbeck -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 2 10:23:09 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Sun Jan 2 10:05:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Satlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <41D7836A.2020906@devtex.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Lorentson Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:15 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Satlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1 Ok, I am just going to 'jump in'. I will try to be short. I am looking for the next scheduled 'install/fest' and location?? thanks in advance. "73" cil _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ According to the illustrious Steve Kolars in a recent email sent to the group: -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of steve kolars Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:08 PM To: xcssa@xcssa.org; satlug Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest The next Open Source Fest is scheduled for May 23 - 28 http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/ . In order for this event to be a success we need input from as many people as possible, and we need to start planning now. If you want to present on a topic let me know. If you want a topic to be presented let me know that also. We can never seem to get good publicity. If anyone (or several someones) wants to take on the task of publicity you will be greatly appreciated. Start planning for the event in May now. I hope everyone has a safe and happy New Year's holiday. Steve _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Roy From gboswell at accd.edu Sun Jan 2 13:05:46 2005 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Sun Jan 2 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: InstallFest Message-ID: <41D8460A.6090108@accd.edu> > > >On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:15:22 -0600, Chuck Lorentson > wrote: > > > >>>Ok, I am just going to 'jump in'. I will try to be short. I am looking >>>for the next scheduled 'install/fest' and location?? thanks in >>>advance. "73" cil >> >> At the last meeting we set up the next Installfest to be at SAC for Sat Jan 22, 2005, that is one week before the computer blast. It will be at San Antonio College, where the meeting are presently being held from 9:00am till 2:00pm. There should be some more info on it starting next week, hope hope. If you need more send me direct email. We do ask that all who are dual booting with XP and will need to re-partition the hard drive do a defrag of the Windoze partition the night before and do not use the Windoze box until you come to the Instalfest. I know you knew that but just habit on my part. Believe it or not we have people who show up who haven't got a clue, and get upset with a 4 hour defrag wait. Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ (do not take personal just my point of view) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From dave at coverstreet.com Sun Jan 2 16:36:30 2005 From: dave at coverstreet.com (Dave) Date: Sun Jan 2 15:13:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Enforcing Robots.txt In-Reply-To: <1104681637.20909.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> References: <1104677349.30678.110.camel@mojojojo.gamers> <1104681637.20909.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Message-ID: <1104701789.30678.132.camel@mojojojo.gamers> On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 11:00, Timothy Beck wrote: > How about checking the permissions on the file it writes to? Thanks, but I've 777'd everything I can find by searching for files by their date. I can't find in the docs exactly what file it's using and of course the error doesn't say. If anyone's got a better way of enforcing the robots.txt rules, I'm open to hear it. thanks, -Dave From biigal at satx.rr.com Sun Jan 2 15:53:23 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert Lochli) Date: Sun Jan 2 15:39:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Available Junque Message-ID: <41D88973.6D6C6B9F@satx.rr.com> I am cleaning out a lot of surplus electronic junque. Included are three-four inoperative computers, a lot of legacy boards and cables and maybe one or two monitors. There is everything, NIC's, sound boards, old modems, a couple printers -- inoperative at least on one, some print servers, keyboards et al. Available to someone who needs or may use them -- not for resale. First come gets to pick over what he wants -- no reservations made. Period. Reply off line via land line (telephone) - email responses will be deleted. Call BiigAl 210-829-4274 to arrange a viewing and haul it off. Available starting this Tuesday January 4 -- what doesn't find a home goes out on the street with the trash next Monday January 11. I live on Howard between El Monte and Contour. Howard is between San Pedro and McCullough. Call first -- best times are early in the morming tp talk to me and your convenience to pick-up. I do have need of one set of powered speakers with power supply type. All my spares had no power supply and have been trashed already. BiigAl 210 829-4274 From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Sun Jan 2 17:44:54 2005 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Sun Jan 2 17:26:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba Printing Message-ID: <99af515b0501021544f596893@mail.gmail.com> I am having a bit of a problem getting my head around the idea of samba acting as a print server or sharing a printer over a network with windows host. I have a few questions on the matter that after a lot of reading today I have not been able to figure out. When working with the printer$ share in the samba config is this used for the driver upload to the client requesting the printjob? Do you have to setup a separate share in Samba other that the print$ to facilitate for the client to connect to? How do you set the printer up in linux to communicate with Samba do you use CUPS and from there point Samba to use it? The printer that I am working with is an IBM Network Printer 24 PS that has a dedicated IP and is responding by it's own on the network. I am doing this Samba server more as of a learning experience as I have setup Samba as a standalone and Domain Controller already. Back to the subject no where in documentation that i have read on groups.google.com and samba.org is there a defined way of setting a printer up to work with samba. I am also curious on how samba interfaces with linux to make the print request. I have seen the command to use lpd... So I am assuming that the command that samba when it receives a print request is the one listed in the config. If you have any insights or suggestion on where else to look for more documentation I would be most thankful for you time. From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jan 2 22:07:38 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jan 2 21:49:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Eye Candy - Moving Windows Message-ID: <277020fc050102200714d8e8@mail.gmail.com> Hi all: I finally got around to switching my home computer from Windows to Fedora Core 3. Well not entirely switching, I put an extra hard drive in so I can dual boot just in case there's something still in Windozeland that I need. I can happily say for the first time that my Linux desktop is much more appealing to the eye than my 'doze desktop. I combined the excellent OSX theme from gnome-look.org with the bluecurve icons, and customized the panels a bit and it looks great! Here are a couple screenshots (beware large file sizes): http://www.txid.com/osx_curve.png http://www.txid.com/thunderbird.png It was a pleasant surprise to find that I could copy my entire Mozilla Thunderbird profile directory from windows to linux, and it worked perfectly with no configuration. All my accounts, settings, filters, folders, and email were there exactly as I had them in Windows. Got me thinking that if you can get someone to use firefox for web browsing, and thunderbird for email, they are a perfect candidate for switching to Linux. Anyway, on to the point of my post - when I move windows around on the screen there is sometimes some jerkiness in how the window moves. Is there any way to set up my window manager so that the window being moved around just shows an outline while it's being moved? I would actually prefer that to the jerkiness and trails that follow the window when I"m moving it. Or some way to smooth these little transitions out. That's one thing I like about using a Mac OSX box - the minute attention to detail and eye candy. thanks Sean From eli at then7.com Sun Jan 2 23:14:38 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sun Jan 2 22:55:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Eye Candy - Moving Windows In-Reply-To: <277020fc050102200714d8e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc050102200714d8e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41D8D4BE.5020205@then7.com> > Anyway, on to the point of my post - when I move windows around on the > screen there is sometimes some jerkiness in how the window moves. Is > there any way to set up my window manager so that the window being > moved around just shows an outline while it's being moved? I would > actually prefer that to the jerkiness and trails that follow the > window when I"m moving it. Or some way to smooth these little > transitions out. That's one thing I like about using a Mac OSX box - > the minute attention to detail and eye candy. been down _that_ road with gnome. the actual problem lies with metacity, which is the underlying default window manager for gnome. last time i checked: -metacity had no official wireframe mode (big BOOOOOO to the author of metacity on that point) -there was an unofficial patch, which i tried at that time, and it worked...but it was a little "glitchy" other options: -switch to sawfish instead. themes and features are affected, that required metacity. you might have dependency issues. -switch to different DE. I like fluxbox, kde, windowmaker and xfce. if you have an nvidia card, load up nvidia's proprietary driver. 3d gets a huge kick in the pants...and 2d gets a noticeable improvement too. unfortunately, there is no easy solution to the "tutti frutti" that get's littered all over the screen from opaque window operations (i.e. resizing/dragging) i live by wireframe transforms...i can't stand opaque window operations myself....if it's not going to look perfect (like os-x), then don't even do it. ~e From eli at then7.com Mon Jan 3 01:09:04 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Mon Jan 3 00:49:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] slackware php5 & postgresql Message-ID: <41D8EF90.8050108@then7.com> Hello All, Just about to take on compiling php5 and postgresql on a Slackware 10 box. I have a few general questions for those who probably know a lot more then I do: 1. Will I need to recompile Apache? 2. Does Patrick make his ./configure lines available as a "go by"? In the case that I need to recompile apache, I would think that I could simply re-use his ./configure script and just add in the postgresql option. (if one was even needed, not sure about this) any comments welcome. many thanks, Eli From netrixtardis at austin.rr.com Mon Jan 3 01:27:03 2005 From: netrixtardis at austin.rr.com (NetrixTardis) Date: Mon Jan 3 01:07:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] slackware php5 & postgresql In-Reply-To: <41D8EF90.8050108@then7.com> Message-ID: <200501030726.j037QdPa001253@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> You may not need to, however the build scripts are posted. You can look at http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-10.0/source/n/ Within that you can look at apache/ and php/, there you will find the *.Slackbuild or *.build NetrixTardis -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT d--- s:- a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+++ N o- K--- w O+ M V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t++ 5++ X+ R* tv++ b+ DI+ D+ G e h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Eli > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:09 AM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] slackware php5 & postgresql > > Hello All, > > Just about to take on compiling php5 and postgresql on a > Slackware 10 box. > > I have a few general questions for those who probably know a lot more > then I do: > > 1. Will I need to recompile Apache? > > 2. Does Patrick make his ./configure lines available as a "go by"? In > the case that I need to recompile apache, I would think that I could > simply re-use his ./configure script and just add in the postgresql > option. (if one was even needed, not sure about this) > > any comments welcome. > > many thanks, > Eli > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jehaywood at compuserve.com Mon Jan 3 01:37:47 2005 From: jehaywood at compuserve.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Mon Jan 3 01:22:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Mount NFS share at boot In-Reply-To: <277020fc041230122568067a87@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0412220750308da264@mail.gmail.com> <200412300049.07406.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <277020fc041230122568067a87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41D8F64B.9090202@compuserve.com> --- Tom Weeks wrote: > Putting it in /etc/fstab is just fine.. it is > designed to work from there (if > everything else is working ok). > The whole issue here is one of when the mounts are done (the time it's done). Most O/Ss use the file system table early on in the boot process. I can't remember if Solaris does a mount by type (but I think it does), - in fact I think it has some special handling to make sure it only does the local mounts first, the but I do know for certain that AIX does. So local filesystems are mounted at a point that they are needed and remote filesystems are mounted later. So I agree that it should work from fstab but every implementation handles local vs. remote differently. > Here's how you would do it if you wanted it to come > up automatically.. but not > lock up your systemif it wasn't available: > > 192.168.1.2:/home/data /mnt/net-data nfs > soft,sync,noatime,defaults 0 0 Only use a soft mount if you are NOT writing data to the mount. Other wise you are asking for data corruption problems. Soft mounts by default, as part of the NFS standard only retry a few times then stop. You want to put it in background, as a hard mount (assuming you are writing to the mount). The way NFS is designed, mounts should be done in the background and should keep trying until they get the mount (there is a process (actually it's a kernel thread) called a "mount helper" that is in charge of this). Which is the behavior of a hard mount, not of a soft mount. > > Just make sure that your iptables and hosts.deny > aren't locking off service on > the server side (and client for iptables!) > The best way to check if your client can talk to your server is with rpcinfo -p . You should get back what services have been registered with portmap on the machine, but most importantly you should see something with port 2049 available with UDP and probably TCP. (Although you'll only get TCP with V3 of NFS - unless you run AIX where you can use TCP with V2 also) From swinston at global-gaming.com Mon Jan 3 02:03:32 2005 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Mon Jan 3 01:40:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux and Gaming Message-ID: http://www6.tomshardware.com/business/20041230/index.html Thought everyone would enjoy that read. From h_oudini at hotmail.com Mon Jan 3 14:51:27 2005 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Mon Jan 3 08:33:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Eye Candy - Moving Windows -- OT In-Reply-To: <277020fc050102200714d8e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > >Hi all: > >I finally got around to switching my home computer from Windows to >Fedora Core 3. Well not entirely switching, I put an extra hard drive >in so I can dual boot just in case there's something still in >Windozeland that I need. I can happily say for the first time that my >Linux desktop is much more appealing to the eye than my 'doze desktop. > >I combined the excellent OSX theme from gnome-look.org with the >bluecurve icons, and customized the panels a bit and it looks great! >Here are a couple screenshots (beware large file sizes): > >http://www.txid.com/osx_curve.png >http://www.txid.com/thunderbird.png > >It was a pleasant surprise to find that I could copy my entire Mozilla >Thunderbird profile directory from windows to linux, and it worked >perfectly with no configuration. All my accounts, settings, filters, >folders, and email were there exactly as I had them in Windows. Got >me thinking that if you can get someone to use firefox for web >browsing, and thunderbird for email, they are a perfect candidate for >switching to Linux. > >Anyway, on to the point of my post - when I move windows around on the >screen there is sometimes some jerkiness in how the window moves. Is >there any way to set up my window manager so that the window being >moved around just shows an outline while it's being moved? I would >actually prefer that to the jerkiness and trails that follow the >window when I"m moving it. Or some way to smooth these little >transitions out. That's one thing I like about using a Mac OSX box - >the minute attention to detail and eye candy. > >thanks > >Sean >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug What app are you using (osx_curve.png) for tracking system resources? The GUI one that is. From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 09:42:54 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jan 3 09:24:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Eye Candy - Moving Windows In-Reply-To: <41D8D4BE.5020205@then7.com> References: <277020fc050102200714d8e8@mail.gmail.com> <41D8D4BE.5020205@then7.com> Message-ID: <277020fc05010307427661e0d8@mail.gmail.com> > i live by wireframe transforms...i can't stand opaque window operations > myself....if it's not going to look perfect (like os-x), then don't even > do it. > > ~e Word up, eli. Thanks for the information. Hopefully the metacity developer will develop the wireframe transforms in a future version. Until then, let me play with KDE a little bit and see if I can get it looking the way I like. From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 09:46:35 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jan 3 09:27:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Eye Candy - Moving Windows -- OT In-Reply-To: References: <277020fc050102200714d8e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc05010307461e66dab@mail.gmail.com> > What app are you using (osx_curve.png) for tracking system resources? The > GUI one that is. That one is run either from: RedHat >> System Tools >> System Monitor Or, alternatively from the command line: $ gnome-system-monitor From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 16:19:38 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:00:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba Printing In-Reply-To: <99af515b0501021544f596893@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b0501021544f596893@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I am having a bit of a problem getting my head around the idea of > samba acting as a print server or sharing a printer over a network > with windows host. It will hurt your head. > When working with the printer$ share in the samba config is this used > for the driver upload to the client requesting the printjob? Yes. > Do you have to setup a separate share in Samba other that the print$ > to facilitate for the client to connect to? printers > How do you set the printer up in linux to communicate with Samba do > you use CUPS and from there point Samba to use it? Yes. > If you have any insights or suggestion on where else to look for more > documentation I would be most thankful for you time. There's a troubleshooting procedure in the SMB docs. Follow it until a step doesn't work, fix that, repeat. I still have problems remote printing from a BSD machine to Linux. I have never gotten browsing to work. However, I can print from the windoze XP client. From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 16:24:24 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:05:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] cameras - usb or web? what works w/Linux? Message-ID: I want to set up a camera to record stuff when it detects motion. Anyone have any tips? I went to the video4linux site hoping to get a summary of what works, but it just lists the drivers and not model numbers or how well they work. From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 16:28:52 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:10:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Enforcing Robots.txt In-Reply-To: <1104701789.30678.132.camel@mojojojo.gamers> References: <1104677349.30678.110.camel@mojojojo.gamers> <1104681637.20909.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> <1104701789.30678.132.camel@mojojojo.gamers> Message-ID: Just write a cgi-bin that takes the IP and blocks it at the router. You might try starting with my denycomm script. http://lightconsulting.com/~travis/ I'm working on something more sophisticated. From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 16:35:14 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:16:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] cameras - usb or web? what works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f05010314353d0caa84@mail.gmail.com> This all depends on what you want to do and how good you want it to look. You want the best? Get a firewire webcam that conforms to the IIDC standard and the programs Coriander, vloopback and motion. Firewire cams can get you 720x480 with 30fps. Coriander controls the camera and works with vloopback to convert the ieee1394 interface into a video4linux device, i.e /dev/video, video1, video2 and so forth. motion will work with the newly created video device and "capture" only images that have changed. Ok, with that said, a good firewire cam is about $100. Don't have that much cash? Then I'd recommend the Logitech Quickcam Pro 4000. About $50 and used the pwc driver which is standard now. Then there's motion previously mentioned for capturing only changed images. Its pretty easy to setup. If you need help, I'll be glad to help you. On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:24:24 -0600, Travis H. wrote: > I want to set up a camera to record stuff when it detects motion. > Anyone have any tips? > I went to the video4linux site hoping to get a summary of what works, > but it just lists the drivers and not model numbers or how well they > work. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From zip at liberto.org Mon Jan 3 16:38:32 2005 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:19:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] cameras - usb or web? what works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D9C968.4090108@liberto.org> If you can afford it go for an axis camera, motion jpeg shows up great in mozilla browsers w/ no plugins on linux or windows and motion detection/alarm triggering is already there, all running on embedded linux. The expensive axis cameras have ptz control and MPEG4 output. Most cheap usb cameras will work w/ v4l nowadays, and motion detection is all software based therefore irrelevant when choosing a camera. I would just go to best buy and pick up whatever cheap webcam you like best, chances are it will work, otherwise return it for another. Andrew Travis H. wrote: >I want to set up a camera to record stuff when it detects motion. >Anyone have any tips? >I went to the video4linux site hoping to get a summary of what works, >but it just lists the drivers and not model numbers or how well they >work. >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 16:39:36 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:20:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba Printing In-Reply-To: <99af515b0501021544f596893@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b0501021544f596893@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0501031439183dcf59@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:44:54 -0600, Caleb Wylie wrote: > I am having a bit of a problem getting my head around the idea of > samba acting as a print server or sharing a printer over a network > with windows host. > The printer that I am working with is an IBM Network Printer 24 PS > that has a dedicated IP and is responding by it's own on the network. > I am doing this Samba server more as of a learning experience as I > have setup Samba as a standalone and Domain Controller already. Question, why do you want share this printer over Samba when this printer already has network connectivity? -- Jeremy From zip at liberto.org Mon Jan 3 16:42:05 2005 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:23:20 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba Printing In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0501031439183dcf59@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b0501021544f596893@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0501031439183dcf59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41D9CA3D.8020202@liberto.org> yes, xp can print direct to tcp port 9100, as does cups. Andrew Jeremy Mann wrote: >On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:44:54 -0600, Caleb Wylie wrote: > > >>I am having a bit of a problem getting my head around the idea of >>samba acting as a print server or sharing a printer over a network >>with windows host. >> >> > > > >>The printer that I am working with is an IBM Network Printer 24 PS >>that has a dedicated IP and is responding by it's own on the network. >>I am doing this Samba server more as of a learning experience as I >>have setup Samba as a standalone and Domain Controller already. >> >> > >Question, why do you want share this printer over Samba when this >printer already has network connectivity? > > > > From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 16:47:29 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:28:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] cameras - usb or web? what works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <41D9C968.4090108@liberto.org> References: <41D9C968.4090108@liberto.org> Message-ID: <79ec289f050103144728cf5488@mail.gmail.com> I didn't include the Axis cams because they are a small fortune. Sometimes you can find one on ebay for about $180. THe PTZ's?? Don't even think about those, we're talking about $1400 for the low end. On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:38:32 -0600, Andrew Hodel wrote: > If you can afford it go for an axis camera, motion jpeg shows up great > in mozilla browsers w/ no plugins on linux or windows and motion > detection/alarm triggering is already there, all running on embedded > linux. The expensive axis cameras have ptz control and MPEG4 output. > Most cheap usb cameras will work w/ v4l nowadays, and motion detection > is all software based therefore irrelevant when choosing a camera. I > would just go to best buy and pick up whatever cheap webcam you like > best, chances are it will work, otherwise return it for another. > > > Andrew > > Travis H. wrote: > > >I want to set up a camera to record stuff when it detects motion. > >Anyone have any tips? > >I went to the video4linux site hoping to get a summary of what works, > >but it just lists the drivers and not model numbers or how well they > >work. > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 18:00:41 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jan 3 17:41:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] VIA 82xx sound problems - help? Message-ID: I have a mobo with built-in VIA 8233/A/8235/8237 and it worked with an older kernel (2.4.27-ish) but won't work with the latest "unstable" debian nor with FC3. The modules are loaded. I have played with alsamixer and can't get it to work at all. It appears to be playing but there is no sound. Does anyone have any advice? This is very frustrating as it was supposed to be a media center PC. From eli at then7.com Mon Jan 3 20:40:48 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Mon Jan 3 20:21:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] php ./configure option Message-ID: <41DA0230.4070206@then7.com> been googling this one for a while...have to break down and ask. building php here, and i was wondering what the difference between the following was: --with-mysql=/usr vs. --with-mysql=share,/usr or --with-pgsql=/usr vs --with-pgsql=share,/usr many thanks, Eli From gjcarrasco at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 12:26:58 2005 From: gjcarrasco at gmail.com (Gordon Carrasco) Date: Tue Jan 4 12:08:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Frontpage Extensions Help Message-ID: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> I have a server at rackspace running RedHat ES3 and want to set up frontpage extensions on it. Does anyone have any suggestions or can throw me a link in the right direction? Thanks Gordon From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 12:30:38 2005 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Jan 4 12:11:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Frontpage Extensions Help In-Reply-To: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> References: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f05010410305b0446c7@mail.gmail.com> If its a server at RackSpace, I'm sure if you called one of their guys they can set it up for you. If not, check out this link: http://www.e-gineer.com/instructions/install-frontpage-extensions-for-apache-on-linux.phtml On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:26:58 -0600, Gordon Carrasco wrote: > I have a server at rackspace running RedHat ES3 and want to set up > frontpage extensions on it. Does anyone have any suggestions or can > throw me a link in the right direction? > > Thanks > > Gordon > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From swinston at global-gaming.com Tue Jan 4 12:36:51 2005 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Tue Jan 4 12:13:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] php ./configure option In-Reply-To: <200501041800.j04I0FY09817@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200501041800.j04I0FY09817@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: > building php here, and i was wondering what the difference between the > following was: > > --with-mysql=/usr vs. --with-mysql=share,/usr > --with-mysql=/usr == build with mysql support and find the binaries for mysql in /usr --with-mysql=share,/usr == build with mysql support, find the binaries for mysql in /usr, leave module for mysql as a shared library; in otherwords this means you're not going to have mysql's module be compiled directly into the php binary. > or > > --with-pgsql=/usr vs --with-pgsql=share,/usr > same thing as above. From gjcarrasco at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 12:46:04 2005 From: gjcarrasco at gmail.com (Gordon Carrasco) Date: Tue Jan 4 12:27:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Frontpage Extensions Help In-Reply-To: <79ec289f05010410305b0446c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f05010410305b0446c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6213dd5005010410466c2b71f1@mail.gmail.com> I want to learn how to do it more so than having someone do it for me.. :) On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:30:38 -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote: > If its a server at RackSpace, I'm sure if you called one of their guys > they can set it up for you. > > If not, check out this link: > > http://www.e-gineer.com/instructions/install-frontpage-extensions-for-apache-on-linux.phtml > > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:26:58 -0600, Gordon Carrasco wrote: > > I have a server at rackspace running RedHat ES3 and want to set up > > frontpage extensions on it. Does anyone have any suggestions or can > > throw me a link in the right direction? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > -- > Jeremy > From paulmacejewski at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 15:02:55 2005 From: paulmacejewski at gmail.com (Paul Macejewski) Date: Tue Jan 4 14:44:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Eye Candy - Moving Windows -- OT In-Reply-To: <277020fc05010307461e66dab@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc050102200714d8e8@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc05010307461e66dab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d3555e405010413026423ce90@mail.gmail.com> What do you use to emulate the OS X dashboard thing. On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:46:35 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote: > > What app are you using (osx_curve.png) for tracking system resources? The > > GUI one that is. > > That one is run either from: > > RedHat >> System Tools >> System Monitor > > Or, alternatively from the command line: > > $ gnome-system-monitor > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Paul Macejewski "The weak innocents... they always seem to be located on the natural invasion routes." -Captain Kirk paulmacejewski@gmail.com From eli at then7.com Tue Jan 4 16:30:15 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Tue Jan 4 16:10:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] php ./configure option In-Reply-To: References: <200501041800.j04I0FY09817@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <41DB18F7.4040505@then7.com> Steven Winston wrote: >> building php here, and i was wondering what the difference between the >> following was: >> >> --with-mysql=/usr vs. --with-mysql=share,/usr >> > > --with-mysql=/usr == build with mysql support and find the binaries > for mysql in /usr > > --with-mysql=share,/usr == build with mysql support, find the binaries > for mysql in /usr, leave module for mysql as a shared library; in > otherwords this means you're not going to have mysql's module be > compiled directly into the php binary. > >> or >> >> --with-pgsql=/usr vs --with-pgsql=share,/usr >> > > same thing as above. Hey Thanks! ~e From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Jan 4 20:37:48 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Jan 4 20:19:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Frontpage Extensions Help In-Reply-To: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> References: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1104892669.1110.148.camel@laptop> Hi Gordon, The job will depends on what version of Apache you are running. I installed the FP extensions on a Redhat 9/Apache 2.x machine a bit more than a year ago. Took two weeks, lotsa head pounding, and plenty of help from experts. Turned out afterward that it was one of the first working installations anywhere on Apache 2.x. I also learned afterward that the installations on the older Apache 1.x were a LOT easier. If I remember right, Redhat ES3 is based on the Redhat 7 distribution and is probably the older Apache 1.x. That could be good as may be easier/quicker. But on the down side -- I think they're phasing out the older Apache scripts for the most part. My installation was more than 1.5 years ago though. So I would suspect that the installation scripts and instructions have improved. No guarantee -- but I'd suspect that it would be easier now. Either way, go to http://www.jnux.net/community/apachefp/ or the old site http://www.joshie.com/projects/apache-frontpage/. The guy who runs it has been turning out packages that significantly ease the installation on Linux/BSD. And he has a e-mail list server that helped me a lot when I had questions. Even better -- there is an archive of the list traffic. Great for searching for your particular problem (I KNOW firsthand!). Good luck Gordon. Shout if you need some help. Chuck On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 12:26, Gordon Carrasco wrote: > I have a server at rackspace running RedHat ES3 and want to set up > frontpage extensions on it. Does anyone have any suggestions or can > throw me a link in the right direction? > > Thanks > > Gordon > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Jan 4 21:47:54 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Jan 4 21:29:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network World Linux predictions for 2005 Message-ID: <1104896875.4108.208.camel@laptop> Today's focus: Linux predictions for 2005 By Phil Hochmuth Linux starts off the new year looking better than ever, but not without its challenges. Today, we're dusting off the crystal ball and taking a look at what users of the open-source operating system might expect this year. * The year of the desktop Many large European government bodies began migrating to Linux and open-source software on the desktop in 2004. Expect this trend to carry over stateside with corporations, universities and government agencies moving to Linux in 2005. AT&T has said it is looking into Linux desktops as a corporate standard, while Pennsylvania State University says it wants to dump Internet Explorer for Firefox Web browsers. IT managers will embrace Linux desktops to cut costs and improve security. * Linux grows in blades IDC says Linux accounted for around half of the blade servers shipped in the third quarter of 2004, however, blades accounted for less than 10% of the entire server market. Expect both of those numbers to grow. As users seek ways to consolidate multiple servers into smaller, more manageable spaces, Linux blades will become the weapon of choice for corporate data center managers. * Novell/SuSE vs. Red Hat Expect more heated competition between Novell/SuSE and Red Hat. Red Hat, long the dominant Linux distro, will start to get a run for its money as enterprise mainstay Novell puts more emphasis, marketing and developers behind its SuSE Linux offerings. Unfortunately, this could mean smaller Linux versions become more marginalized in U.S. enterprises. * Microsoft strikes back As Linux continued to make gains in revenue and market share in 2004, Microsoft floated its Windows XP Starter Edition in some emerging markets overseas. If Linux begins to make a serious run at Microsoft's U.S. installed base of corporate desktops, look for Microsoft to counter with a state-side version of this product and possibly a server operating system version for SMBs, which are increasingly turning to Linux as they throw out old Windows NT platforms. * Linux security issues could be complicated With Linux popularity growing, expect to see more Linux-targeted worms, viruses and malware emerge. While the open-source community has proven to be responsive in patching security holes in Linux, the decentralized nature of how Linux updates are reviewed and released could become an issue if more threats to the code emerge. RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS The Power Issue Network World, 12/27/04 http://www.nwfusion.com/power/2004/ _______________________________________________________________ To contact: Phil Hochmuth Phil Hochmuth is a Network World Senior Editor and a former systems integrator. You can reach him at . From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Tue Jan 4 22:37:09 2005 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Tue Jan 4 22:18:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network World Linux predictions for 2005 In-Reply-To: <1104896875.4108.208.camel@laptop> References: <1104896875.4108.208.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1104899829.23647.12.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Thanks, that was a cool read..;-) On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 21:47, Chuck wrote: > Today's focus: Linux predictions for 2005 > > By Phil Hochmuth > > Linux starts off the new year looking better than ever, but not > without its challenges. Today, we're dusting off the crystal > ball and taking a look at what users of the open-source > operating system might expect this year. > > * The year of the desktop > > Many large European government bodies began migrating to Linux > and open-source software on the desktop in 2004. Expect this > trend to carry over stateside with corporations, universities > and government agencies moving to Linux in 2005. AT&T has said > it is looking into Linux desktops as a corporate standard, while > Pennsylvania State University says it wants to dump Internet > Explorer for Firefox Web browsers. IT managers will embrace > Linux desktops to cut costs and improve security. > > * Linux grows in blades > > IDC says Linux accounted for around half of the blade servers > shipped in the third quarter of 2004, however, blades accounted > for less than 10% of the entire server market. Expect both of > those numbers to grow. As users seek ways to consolidate > multiple servers into smaller, more manageable spaces, Linux > blades will become the weapon of choice for corporate data > center managers. > > * Novell/SuSE vs. Red Hat > > Expect more heated competition between Novell/SuSE and Red Hat. > Red Hat, long the dominant Linux distro, will start to get a run > for its money as enterprise mainstay Novell puts more emphasis, > marketing and developers behind its SuSE Linux offerings. > Unfortunately, this could mean smaller Linux versions become > more marginalized in U.S. enterprises. > > * Microsoft strikes back > > As Linux continued to make gains in revenue and market share in > 2004, Microsoft floated its Windows XP Starter Edition in some > emerging markets overseas. If Linux begins to make a serious run > at Microsoft's U.S. installed base of corporate desktops, look > for Microsoft to counter with a state-side version of this > product and possibly a server operating system version for SMBs, > which are increasingly turning to Linux as they throw out old > Windows NT platforms. > > * Linux security issues could be complicated > > With Linux popularity growing, expect to see more Linux-targeted > worms, viruses and malware emerge. While the open-source > community has proven to be responsive in patching security holes > in Linux, the decentralized nature of how Linux updates are > reviewed and released could become an issue if more threats to > the code emerge. > > RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS > > The Power Issue > Network World, 12/27/04 > http://www.nwfusion.com/power/2004/ > _______________________________________________________________ > To contact: Phil Hochmuth > > Phil Hochmuth is a Network World Senior Editor and a former > systems integrator. You can reach him at > . > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Ph:214-783-0594 tbeck@dragon-designs.net http://www.dragon-designs.net/~tbeck -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Tue Jan 4 22:58:09 2005 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Tue Jan 4 22:25:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Capicitor values? Message-ID: <1104901090.19310.4.camel@zeus.matrix> This isn't a linux question, but if it's answered the way I think, the computer I'll be fixing will run Linux.. : I have a mobo that has befallen the great cap leak incident. I was able to trace down replacements for every cap on the board however the values aren't exact: Example: The cap on the mobo is 1000uf at 6.4volts and the one I have is 1000uf at 24v. IIRC, the farad rating has to match (uf) but the voltage of the new one can be higher than the old one, but not the other way around. Is this correct or should I switch from Red Bull to Captain Morgan? Thanks everyone! FIRESTORM_v1 From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Jan 4 23:15:01 2005 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Tue Jan 4 22:56:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Capicitor values? In-Reply-To: <1104901090.19310.4.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1104901090.19310.4.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <200501042315010120.003971FF@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Correct, the higher voltage rating is better (some manufacturer's try to get by with the cheapest amd bare minimum voltage ratings, and chit happens). Actually, a 2X increase in voltage rating is sufficient, and in your case you're nearly 4X. I've had more than my share of dead mobo's because of the shorted and leaking filter capacitors. Forget RB & CM and try a Pungstader or Rummel. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/4/05 at 10:58 PM Matt wrote: > >Example: The cap on the mobo is 1000uf at 6.4volts and the one I have >is 1000uf at 24v. IIRC, the farad rating has to match (uf) but the >voltage of the new one can be higher than the old one, but not the other >way around. > >Is this correct or should I switch from Red Bull to Captain Morgan? From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jan 4 23:22:01 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jan 4 23:03:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Capicitor values? In-Reply-To: <1104901090.19310.4.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1104901090.19310.4.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <8rtmt05kfkfcgprp3c0m3davor6bihpebg@4ax.com> On 04 Jan 2005 22:58:09 -0600, Matt wrote: >Example: The cap on the mobo is 1000uf at 6.4volts and the one I have >is 1000uf at 24v. IIRC, the farad rating has to match (uf) but the >voltage of the new one can be higher than the old one, but not the other >way around. Sounds good to me. Often higher voltage means a larger capacitor, but if it fits, use it. Remember polarity counts with electrolytic caps, and understand the risk of reworking a multi-layer circuit board. (Some recommend snip the leads and spot-solder the replacement to the stumps.) >Is this correct or should I switch from Red Bull to Captain Morgan? Well, I've met the artist who draws The Captain, and he was more friendly than most bulls. YMMV. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jan 4 23:51:21 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jan 4 23:32:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Frontpage Extensions Help In-Reply-To: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> References: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200501042351.21611.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 04 January 2005 12:26 pm, Gordon Carrasco wrote: > I have a server at rackspace running RedHat ES3 and want to set up > frontpage extensions on it. Does anyone have any suggestions or can > throw me a link in the right direction? Most any tech at Rackspace will recommend NOT setting up Frontpage. Ever. Period.. ;) Besides being a HUGE security risk.. it never has really functioned well on the UN*X platforms (thanks MS)... Anyway... I spend an entire chapter in my book talking about alternative forms of file xfer that are both more robust.. AND much more secure. Let me know if you want more details on setting up the server side. Of course there's ssh (server) and WinSCP (client): http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/docs/screenshots Then the ssh based "SFTP"... Just turn it on on the daemon.. and Clients for Mac, Linux, Windows abound: Mac: http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/ Linux: http://konqueror.kde.org/ Windows: http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/docs/protocols http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html http://www.southrivertech.com/index.php?pg=./products/webdrive/index In fact... most of these "clients" can now not only talk scp, and sftp.. but also WebDav over ssl for doing revision control with drag and drop compatability! One of my favorite setups is WebDav over SSL on the server with konqueror (or other webdav cable client) on the desktop. You can set up all the client side file controls to pull up web html files directly into the native Quanta HTML editor and edit the content live on the server, without having to know anything about uploading. But even better (to get Frontpage/Coveweaver type functionality) is the new NVU WYSIWYG HTML editing suite.. Still up and coming... But veeery nice from what I've seen: ?A complete Web Authoring System for Linux Desktop users as well as Microsoft Windows users to rival programs like FrontPage and Dreamweaver.? Check it out! http://www.nvu.com/features.html Closest you're going to get to frontpage.. a world more secure.. and stable than even ColdFusion.. ;) Tweeks From jennifervg at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 21:53:46 2005 From: jennifervg at yahoo.com (Jennifer Van Gorkom) Date: Tue Jan 4 23:34:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Capicitor values? In-Reply-To: <1104901090.19310.4.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <20050105055346.5457.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> Mat some rules of thumb when switching out capacitors: 1) stick to the same type (ie electrolitic, tanilum, ceramic, etc) 2) watch the polarity 3) You can go up in voltage but never down 4) going up too much can have latency problems on low voltage systems (ie they may never reach full charge and do their jobs) 5) try to never heat a multi layer PC board more than 5 seconds so use a big enough soldering iron that is at temperature 6) get a grounded soldering iron or ground the one you have through a 1M ohm resistor or you risk static damaging what you are working on 7) clean and tin your soldering iron before you start and every time the tip looks dirty Good luck on reviving your motherboard Jennifer --- Matt wrote: > This isn't a linux question, but if it's answered > the way I think, the > computer I'll be fixing will run Linux.. : > > I have a mobo that has befallen the great cap leak > incident. I was able > to trace down replacements for every cap on the > board however the values > aren't exact: > > Example: The cap on the mobo is 1000uf at 6.4volts > and the one I have > is 1000uf at 24v. IIRC, the farad rating has to > match (uf) but the > voltage of the new one can be higher than the old > one, but not the other > way around. > > Is this correct or should I switch from Red Bull to > Captain Morgan? > > Thanks everyone! > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jan 5 00:01:34 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jan 4 23:42:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Mount NFS share at boot In-Reply-To: <41D8F64B.9090202@compuserve.com> References: <277020fc0412220750308da264@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc041230122568067a87@mail.gmail.com> <41D8F64B.9090202@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <200501050001.34239.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 03 January 2005 01:37 am, Jennie Haywood wrote: > The best way to check if your client can talk to your server is with > rpcinfo -p . rcp info is good to quickly ensure that the underlying sunrpc protocol has the service available.. and can talk yes... but for testing... I recommend: # showmount -e fileserver Export list for fileserver: /home/data 192.168.1.* Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jan 5 00:04:41 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jan 4 23:45:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Capicitor values? In-Reply-To: <20050105055346.5457.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050105055346.5457.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200501050004.41220.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:53 pm, Jennifer Van Gorkom wrote: > Mat some rules of thumb when switching out capacitors: > > 1) stick to the same type (ie electrolitic, tanilum, > ceramic, etc) > > 2) watch the polarity Sheeaa! Esp on those electrolytics!!! heh.. Tweeks From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jan 5 05:06:41 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jan 5 04:48:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] NYTimes.com Article: Few Takers for Payments From Microsoft Settlement Message-ID: <200501051106.j05B6fAR002733@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Found this in this morning's NYTimes - 2/3 of the unclaimed funds go to the poorest schools. At $1.1 billion this will be a significant boost to schools. Sounds to me states other than California didn't know how to settle with the MS crooks. Every state deserves to get these refunds. -Borries > > > Few Takers for Payments From Microsoft Settlement > > January 5, 2005 > By LAURIE J. FLYNN > > > > > > With only a few days remaining before a Saturday deadline, > about 80 of California's largest 100 companies have filed > to receive part of a $1.1 billion antitrust settlement with > Microsoft, a lawyer involved in the settlement said > yesterday. > > But it appears that only a small percentage of customers > eligible to receive part of the settlement have filed to > claim their share, said the lawyer, Richard L. Grossman of > Townsend, Townsend & Crew, the lead lawyer representing > California consumers in the settlement fight. > > The settlement stems from a 1999 class-action lawsuit filed > in California that accused Microsoft of overcharging > customers for its software. After a long court battle, > Microsoft settled the lawsuit in June 2003, though the > company denies it gouged California consumers. > > The California settlement was the largest of more than a > dozen agreements totaling $1.87 billion struck between > Microsoft and consumers in various states over the last few > years. It is the largest recovery achieved in an antitrust > class-action case in California, Mr. Grossman said. Under > its terms, consumers and companies can receive vouchers > worth $5 for each copy of Microsoft Word they purchased, > $16 for each copy of Microsoft Windows and $29 for each > copy of Microsoft Office, which includes Word and Excel. > > The window for filing claims closes on Jan. 8, which is 60 > days after Judge Paul Alvarado of California Superior Court > in San Francisco gave final approval for the settlement. > Microsoft agreed to issue vouchers to anyone who bought > Microsoft Windows, Word or Excel in California from 1995 to > 2001. The vouchers can be used to buy software from any > manufacturer, not only Microsoft. > > Lawyers estimate that 14 million people and businesses in > California are eligible to receive vouchers. But as of Dec. > 28, only 620,000 claims had been filed, Mr. Grossman said. > A single claim by a business can represent hundreds or > thousands of licenses for Microsoft programs, he said. > > For some California companies that may have bought > thousands of copies of the software during the nearly > seven-year period, the awards could be substantial. Claims > from the largest business users could reach millions of > dollars, Mr. Grossman said. > > For individual consumers, the award amount is likely to be > fairly small. Without showing proof of purchases, consumers > can file a claim for up to $100 in vouchers. For larger > claims, consumers must provide product identification > numbers or other documentation. > > Even if consumers fail to file their claims before the > deadline, California still wins. Under the unusual > settlement agreement, Microsoft must donate two-thirds of > the unclaimed amount to California's poorest schools for > buying technology, although it can keep the remaining > one-third of the unclaimed portion. > > "Microsoft is going to pay a very substantial amount of > money to California in one way or another," Mr. Grossman > said. > > Mr. Grossman said it would be some time before Rust > Consulting, a Minnesota company appointed by the court to > administer the claims, determines how much of the > settlement was claimed. > > Shortly after the settlement was reached in June 2003, Rust > started a large "notice program" in an attempt to alert > California consumers about the vouchers. The company sent > out 25 million pieces of mail and 7 million e-mail messages > in the fall of 2003, said Dick Redfern, president of Rust. > > Mr. Grossman said the number of new claims rose sharply > this week as people realized that the deadline was > approaching. "It's the 'April 15th' effect," he said. "It's > typical in a class-action settlement that the rate of > claims goes way up at the end." > > The second-largest antitrust settlement after California's > came in Florida, where consumers were awarded vouchers > totaling $202 million. Class-action suits are still pending > in Nebraska, Wisconsin and Iowa, according to Microsoft. > > In most of the other settlements, half of the unclaimed > portion was donated to the state's schools. > > Mr. Redfern said that the comparatively low response rate > by consumers has been within the range typical of > class-action settlements, adding that he expected to see a > surge in response this week. > > Robert Rosenfeld, a lawyer for Microsoft, said that some > individuals may be choosing not to file a claim because > they know most of the remaining money is earmarked for > needy California schools. > > He also said some people may not file claims because they > do not feel overcharged. "You could take it as a referendum > on whether consumers really feel like they were > overcharged," he said. "We believe that these products are > fairly priced and that they represent a great bargain." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/05/technology/05soft.html?ex=1105922831&ei=1&en=c40b5ad3ae43595f > > Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company > From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Jan 5 11:12:40 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Jan 5 10:54:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) [satlug-etc] Newcomer to San Antonio area Message-ID: Forwarded for wider audience. --Don On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:26 -0600, TriKster Abacus wrote: Hello, My name is John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell, I am 34, married and 2 children. I came about satlug looking for information regarding a LUG in the San Antonio area. I knew there was one, just didn't know how well it was organized. My wife and 2 children are planning on moving to N. San Antonio (Canyon Lake) to build a house. We would like to be there and settled in by next Xmas. I have done as much research as possible IMHO.. except actually getting on the phone and calling around. I wanted to know.. how are Internet services there? Canyon Lake is supposevedly 15 minutes away from SA. Is there a better location for a large house, in a safe neighborhood with a good school district? We lived in SA back in the early 90s' while I attended US Army Special Forces medic training for a bout a year, just off of Ft. Sam Houston. I can get around SA pretty well, though I don't remember the street names.. but I can picture in my mind everywhere to go. I want a warmer environment for my wife and kids and a safe place to live and prosper. I don't need to find a job, neither does my wife, we are both retired from the Army. We want to be close to SA, but not living right there on top of the city. So Canyon Lake is not our definite stop in our quest for a home. We will be visiting SA on the wife's spring break to look for potential property to build a house on. Then sell everything we have up here in Clarksville, TN... and then hopefully transition to SA to await the building of our house. A little more about myself. I have been using Linux for 8 years now.. though I dual boot for gaming purposes and for a testing environment. I have a large array of computers, 1 is a multimedia server that plays non-stop music 24/7. Another is a 800GB nfs server that is mounted on all of my other computers. I use my laptop for email, and web work (I own and maintain linux-militia.net). I run yet another box for my personal webpage. and then a system for my 5 year old, a system for my wife and 2 gaming rigs. I am a beta tester for transgaming's cedega and I staff many lan-parties up here. I primarily use Gentoo as my distro of choice. Do not consider myself a Linux "zealot" but do advocate the power and ability that comes with Linux. How is the Internet down there? Is it reliable? Is the pricing good? I am currently using dsl and it runs about $50 a month. I don't even know yet if Canyon Lake would have cable Internet or even dsl. Hopefully if we do end up there.. I wont have to use satellite. If anyone is retired military on the mailing list, how are the VA facilities? As my wife and I will be needing to use them quite frequently. I know there are plenty of things to do for children and the SA area is quite a nice place to raise 2 great kids. I love the people and culture of TX and enjoy meeting new people. Are there a lot of computer events and shows in the SA area? I know that everything in TX is bigger and better! lol.. Is there anything I can expect from living there? We are so excited about finally moving from this little town in TN and miss TX so much. How is the cost of living and I can't quite remember the weather.. though I do recall ice.. and I do recall the heat. But neither affected me enough to hate being there.. Unlike up here in TN.. when from November to March it is worthless to do anything outside because it is too cold, but not cold enough to snow.. and it can be wet and muddy. In the summer it is usually very hot and extremely humid. I can imagine the heat in SA, but I don't recall sweating my butt off just from walking outside. I can't wait to get down there and meet you all. I look forward to the new found friendships and my continued growth and knowledge in and about Linux, I learn something new everyday. Thank you Sincerely, John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell _______________________________________________ satlug-etc mailing list satlug-etc@satlug.org http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc From pandemic at syn-recon.net Wed Jan 5 11:16:42 2005 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net) Date: Wed Jan 5 10:57:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Frontpage Extensions Help In-Reply-To: <200501042351.21611.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <6213dd500501041026401e86be@mail.gmail.com> <200501042351.21611.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <41DC20FA.6000001@syn-recon.net> > Closest you're going to get to frontpage.. a world more secure.. and stable > than even ColdFusion.. ;) > > Tweeks Hey whats wrong with Coldfusion, its very stable, quick, super secure, and makes purdy dynamic flash and png graphs ;) If its good enough for the NSA (http://www.nsa.gov/home_html.cfm) its good nuff for me (I admit I do have a slight Coldfusion/Java addiction). Florian From chardon47 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 10:09:26 2005 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Wed Jan 5 11:50:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) [satlug-etc] Newcomer to San Antonio area In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050105180926.2293.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> John, I have friends up by Canyon Lake. I will ask them about internet service out there. You aren't into amateur radio, are you? Bill Don Wright wrote: Forwarded for wider audience. --Don On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:26 -0600, TriKster Abacus wrote: Hello, My name is John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell, I am 34, married and 2 children. I came about satlug looking for information regarding a LUG in the San Antonio area. I knew there was one, just didn't know how well it was organized. My wife and 2 children are planning on moving to N. San Antonio (Canyon Lake) to build a house. We would like to be there and settled in by next Xmas. I have done as much research as possible IMHO.. except actually getting on the phone and calling around. I wanted to know.. how are Internet services there? Canyon Lake is supposevedly 15 minutes away from SA. Is there a better location for a large house, in a safe neighborhood with a good school district? We lived in SA back in the early 90s' while I attended US Army Special Forces medic training for a bout a year, just off of Ft. Sam Houston. I can get around SA pretty well, though I don't remember the street names.. but I can picture in my mind everywhere to go. I want a warmer environment for my wife and kids and a safe place to live and prosper. I don't need to find a job, neither does my wife, we are both retired from the Army. We want to be close to SA, but not living right there on top of the city. So Canyon Lake is not our definite stop in our quest for a home. We will be visiting SA on the wife's spring break to look for potential property to build a house on. Then sell everything we have up here in Clarksville, TN... and then hopefully transition to SA to await the building of our house. A little more about myself. I have been using Linux for 8 years now.. though I dual boot for gaming purposes and for a testing environment. I have a large array of computers, 1 is a multimedia server that plays non-stop music 24/7. Another is a 800GB nfs server that is mounted on all of my other computers. I use my laptop for email, and web work (I own and maintain linux-militia.net). I run yet another box for my personal webpage. and then a system for my 5 year old, a system for my wife and 2 gaming rigs. I am a beta tester for transgaming's cedega and I staff many lan-parties up here. I primarily use Gentoo as my distro of choice. Do not consider myself a Linux "zealot" but do advocate the power and ability that comes with Linux. How is the Internet down there? Is it reliable? Is the pricing good? I am currently using dsl and it runs about $50 a month. I don't even know yet if Canyon Lake would have cable Internet or even dsl. Hopefully if we do end up there.. I wont have to use satellite. If anyone is retired military on the mailing list, how are the VA facilities? As my wife and I will be needing to use them quite frequently. I know there are plenty of things to do for children and the SA area is quite a nice place to raise 2 great kids. I love the people and culture of TX and enjoy meeting new people. Are there a lot of computer events and shows in the SA area? I know that everything in TX is bigger and better! lol.. Is there anything I can expect from living there? We are so excited about finally moving from this little town in TN and miss TX so much. How is the cost of living and I can't quite remember the weather.. though I do recall ice.. and I do recall the heat. But neither affected me enough to hate being there.. Unlike up here in TN.. when from November to March it is worthless to do anything outside because it is too cold, but not cold enough to snow.. and it can be wet and muddy. In the summer it is usually very hot and extremely humid. I can imagine the heat in SA, but I don't recall sweating my butt off just from walking outside. I can't wait to get down there and meet you all. I look forward to the new found friendships and my continued growth and knowledge in and about Linux, I learn something new everyday. Thank you Sincerely, John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell _______________________________________________ satlug-etc mailing list satlug-etc@satlug.org http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved." ~ Will Rogers From trikster_abacus at linux-militia.net Wed Jan 5 12:44:17 2005 From: trikster_abacus at linux-militia.net (TriKster Abacus) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:26:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) [satlug-etc] Newcomer to San Antonio area In-Reply-To: <20050105180926.2293.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050105180926.2293.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41DC3581.1090302@linux-militia.net> Hey Bill, Thanks for replying.. No.. sorry not into amateur radio, my wife would kill me if I had yet another hobby! lol Thank you Sincerely, John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell Bill wrote: >John, > >I have friends up by Canyon Lake. I will ask them about internet service out there. > >You aren't into amateur radio, are you? > >Bill > >Don Wright wrote: >Forwarded for wider audience. --Don > >On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:26 -0600, TriKster Abacus >wrote: > >Hello, > >My name is John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell, I am 34, married and 2 >children. I came about satlug looking for information regarding a LUG in >the San Antonio area. I knew there was one, just didn't know how well >it was organized. > >My wife and 2 children are planning on moving to N. San Antonio (Canyon >Lake) to build a house. We would like to be there and settled in by next >Xmas. > >I have done as much research as possible IMHO.. except actually getting >on the phone and calling around. I wanted to know.. how are Internet >services there? Canyon Lake is supposevedly 15 minutes away from SA. Is >there a better location for a large house, in a safe neighborhood with a >good school district? We lived in SA back in the early 90s' while I >attended US Army Special Forces medic training for a bout a year, just >off of Ft. Sam Houston. > >I can get around SA pretty well, though I don't remember the street >names.. but I can picture in my mind everywhere to go. I want a warmer >environment for my wife and kids and a safe place to live and prosper. I >don't need to find a job, neither does my wife, we are both retired from >the Army. > >We want to be close to SA, but not living right there on top of the >city. So Canyon Lake is not our definite stop in our quest for a home. > >We will be visiting SA on the wife's spring break to look for potential >property to build a house on. Then sell everything we have up here in >Clarksville, TN... and then hopefully transition to SA to await the >building of our house. > >A little more about myself. > >I have been using Linux for 8 years now.. though I dual boot for gaming >purposes and for a testing environment. I have a large array of >computers, 1 is a multimedia server that plays non-stop music 24/7. >Another is a 800GB nfs server that is mounted on all of my other >computers. I use my laptop for email, and web work (I own and maintain >linux-militia.net). I run yet another box for my personal webpage. and >then a system for my 5 year old, a system for my wife and 2 gaming rigs. >I am a beta tester for transgaming's cedega and I staff many lan-parties >up here. > >I primarily use Gentoo as my distro of choice. Do not consider myself a >Linux "zealot" but do advocate the power and ability that comes with >Linux. > >How is the Internet down there? Is it reliable? Is the pricing good? I >am currently using dsl and it runs about $50 a month. I don't even know >yet if Canyon Lake would have cable Internet or even dsl. Hopefully if >we do end up there.. I wont have to use satellite. > >If anyone is retired military on the mailing list, how are the VA >facilities? As my wife and I will be needing to use them quite frequently. > >I know there are plenty of things to do for children and the SA area is >quite a nice place to raise 2 great kids. I love the people and culture >of TX and enjoy meeting new people. > >Are there a lot of computer events and shows in the SA area? I know that >everything in TX is bigger and better! lol.. Is there anything I can >expect from living there? We are so excited about finally moving from >this little town in TN and miss TX so much. How is the cost of living >and I can't quite remember the weather.. though I do recall ice.. and I >do recall the heat. But neither affected me enough to hate being there.. >Unlike up here in TN.. when from November to March it is worthless to do >anything outside because it is too cold, but not cold enough to snow.. >and it can be wet and muddy. In the summer it is usually very hot and >extremely humid. I can imagine the heat in SA, but I don't recall >sweating my butt off just from walking outside. > >I can't wait to get down there and meet you all. I look forward to the >new found friendships and my continued growth and knowledge in and about >Linux, I learn something new everyday. > >Thank you > >Sincerely, > >John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell >_______________________________________________ >satlug-etc mailing list >satlug-etc@satlug.org >http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >Bill Hatfield K5KCR > > > >"Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved." ~ Will Rogers > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From h_oudini at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 19:16:02 2005 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:58:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Strange GET in access log Message-ID: All, I found the following in my Apache access log: 66.35.250.150 - - [03/Jan/2005:22:44:07 -0600] "GET http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt HTTP/1.0" 404 286 "-" "libwww-perl/5.76" whois reveals: [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.exodus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.exodus.net] [rwhois.exodus.net] network:Class-Name:network network:Auth-Area:0.0.0.0/0 network:Network-Name:66.35.250.0 network:IP-Network:66.35.250.0/24 network:Organization;I:VA Software network:Street;I:1382 Bordeaux network:City;I:Sunnyvale network:State;I:CA network:Postal-Code;I:94089 network:Country-Code;I:USA network:Class-Name:network network:Auth-Area:0.0.0.0/0 network:Network-Name:66.35.192.0 network:IP-Network:66.35.192.0/18 network:Organization;I:Exodus IDC - SV/SC8 network:Name;I:IP Address Administrator network:Email;I:ipaddressadmin@exodus.net network:Street;I:2831 Mission College Blvd. network:City;I:Santa Clara, CA 95054 Anybody have an idea on what this person was trying to do? Thanks, Kase p.s. The link http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt simply displays 'ok' From trikster_abacus at linux-militia.net Wed Jan 5 13:31:04 2005 From: trikster_abacus at linux-militia.net (TriKster Abacus) Date: Wed Jan 5 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) [satlug-etc] Newcomer to San Antonio area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DC4078.3020704@linux-militia.net> Thanks Don! Don Wright wrote: >Forwarded for wider audience. --Don > >On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:26 -0600, TriKster Abacus > wrote: > >Hello, > >My name is John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell, I am 34, married and 2 >children. I came about satlug looking for information regarding a LUG in >the San Antonio area. I knew there was one, just didn't know how well >it was organized. > >My wife and 2 children are planning on moving to N. San Antonio (Canyon >Lake) to build a house. We would like to be there and settled in by next >Xmas. > >I have done as much research as possible IMHO.. except actually getting >on the phone and calling around. I wanted to know.. how are Internet >services there? Canyon Lake is supposevedly 15 minutes away from SA. Is >there a better location for a large house, in a safe neighborhood with a >good school district? We lived in SA back in the early 90s' while I >attended US Army Special Forces medic training for a bout a year, just >off of Ft. Sam Houston. > >I can get around SA pretty well, though I don't remember the street >names.. but I can picture in my mind everywhere to go. I want a warmer >environment for my wife and kids and a safe place to live and prosper. I >don't need to find a job, neither does my wife, we are both retired from >the Army. > >We want to be close to SA, but not living right there on top of the >city. So Canyon Lake is not our definite stop in our quest for a home. > >We will be visiting SA on the wife's spring break to look for potential >property to build a house on. Then sell everything we have up here in >Clarksville, TN... and then hopefully transition to SA to await the >building of our house. > >A little more about myself. > >I have been using Linux for 8 years now.. though I dual boot for gaming >purposes and for a testing environment. I have a large array of >computers, 1 is a multimedia server that plays non-stop music 24/7. >Another is a 800GB nfs server that is mounted on all of my other >computers. I use my laptop for email, and web work (I own and maintain >linux-militia.net). I run yet another box for my personal webpage. and >then a system for my 5 year old, a system for my wife and 2 gaming rigs. >I am a beta tester for transgaming's cedega and I staff many lan-parties >up here. > >I primarily use Gentoo as my distro of choice. Do not consider myself a >Linux "zealot" but do advocate the power and ability that comes with >Linux. > >How is the Internet down there? Is it reliable? Is the pricing good? I >am currently using dsl and it runs about $50 a month. I don't even know >yet if Canyon Lake would have cable Internet or even dsl. Hopefully if >we do end up there.. I wont have to use satellite. > >If anyone is retired military on the mailing list, how are the VA >facilities? As my wife and I will be needing to use them quite frequently. > >I know there are plenty of things to do for children and the SA area is >quite a nice place to raise 2 great kids. I love the people and culture >of TX and enjoy meeting new people. > >Are there a lot of computer events and shows in the SA area? I know that >everything in TX is bigger and better! lol.. Is there anything I can >expect from living there? We are so excited about finally moving from >this little town in TN and miss TX so much. How is the cost of living >and I can't quite remember the weather.. though I do recall ice.. and I >do recall the heat. But neither affected me enough to hate being there.. >Unlike up here in TN.. when from November to March it is worthless to do >anything outside because it is too cold, but not cold enough to snow.. >and it can be wet and muddy. In the summer it is usually very hot and >extremely humid. I can imagine the heat in SA, but I don't recall >sweating my butt off just from walking outside. > >I can't wait to get down there and meet you all. I look forward to the >new found friendships and my continued growth and knowledge in and about >Linux, I learn something new everyday. > >Thank you > >Sincerely, > >John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell >_______________________________________________ >satlug-etc mailing list >satlug-etc@satlug.org >http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From eli at then7.com Wed Jan 5 14:10:06 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jan 5 13:50:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Strange GET in access log In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DC499E.1060503@then7.com> Kase Saylor wrote: > All, > > I found the following in my Apache access log: > 66.35.250.150 - - [03/Jan/2005:22:44:07 -0600] "GET > http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt HTTP/1.0" 404 286 "-" "libwww-perl/5.76" > transparent proxy? open proxy? ~e From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Jan 6 07:40:52 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Jan 6 07:23:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) [satlug-etc] Newcomer to San Antonio area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DD3FE4.2050004@cis.sac.accd.edu> Don Wright wrote: >Forwarded for wider audience. --Don > >On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:26 -0600, TriKster Abacus > wrote: > >Hello, > >My name is John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell, I am 34, married and 2 >children. I came about satlug looking for information regarding a LUG in >the San Antonio area. I knew there was one, just didn't know how well >it was organized. > >My wife and 2 children are planning on moving to N. San Antonio (Canyon >Lake) to build a house. We would like to be there and settled in by next >Xmas. > >I have done as much research as possible IMHO.. except actually getting >on the phone and calling around. I wanted to know.. how are Internet >services there? Canyon Lake is supposevedly 15 minutes away from SA. > You need some facts. Someone lied to you! I live in Comal county. Your drive to S.A. will be at least 45 minutes. Depending on where you live around Canyon Lake internet service ranges from Guadalupe Valley Coop (internet sucks) to Road Runner. There are a lot of places to build a large house--each place has its pluses and minuses. An important thing to be very careful of is how the terrain is during a flood. > Is >there a better location for a large house, in a safe neighborhood with a >good school district? We lived in SA back in the early 90s' while I >attended US Army Special Forces medic training for a bout a year, just >off of Ft. Sam Houston. > >I can get around SA pretty well, though I don't remember the street >names.. but I can picture in my mind everywhere to go. I want a warmer >environment for my wife and kids and a safe place to live and prosper. I >don't need to find a job, neither does my wife, we are both retired from >the Army. > >We want to be close to SA, but not living right there on top of the >city. So Canyon Lake is not our definite stop in our quest for a home. > >We will be visiting SA on the wife's spring break to look for potential >property to build a house on. Then sell everything we have up here in >Clarksville, TN... and then hopefully transition to SA to await the >building of our house. > >A little more about myself. > >I have been using Linux for 8 years now.. though I dual boot for gaming >purposes and for a testing environment. I have a large array of >computers, 1 is a multimedia server that plays non-stop music 24/7. >Another is a 800GB nfs server that is mounted on all of my other >computers. I use my laptop for email, and web work (I own and maintain >linux-militia.net). I run yet another box for my personal webpage. and >then a system for my 5 year old, a system for my wife and 2 gaming rigs. >I am a beta tester for transgaming's cedega and I staff many lan-parties >up here. > >I primarily use Gentoo as my distro of choice. Do not consider myself a >Linux "zealot" but do advocate the power and ability that comes with >Linux. > >How is the Internet down there? Is it reliable? Is the pricing good? I >am currently using dsl and it runs about $50 a month. I don't even know >yet if Canyon Lake would have cable Internet or even dsl. Hopefully if >we do end up there.. I wont have to use satellite. > >If anyone is retired military on the mailing list, how are the VA >facilities? As my wife and I will be needing to use them quite frequently. > >I know there are plenty of things to do for children and the SA area is >quite a nice place to raise 2 great kids. I love the people and culture >of TX and enjoy meeting new people. > >Are there a lot of computer events and shows in the SA area? I know that >everything in TX is bigger and better! lol.. Is there anything I can >expect from living there? We are so excited about finally moving from >this little town in TN and miss TX so much. How is the cost of living >and I can't quite remember the weather.. though I do recall ice.. and I >do recall the heat. But neither affected me enough to hate being there.. >Unlike up here in TN.. when from November to March it is worthless to do >anything outside because it is too cold, but not cold enough to snow.. >and it can be wet and muddy. In the summer it is usually very hot and >extremely humid. I can imagine the heat in SA, but I don't recall >sweating my butt off just from walking outside. > >I can't wait to get down there and meet you all. I look forward to the >new found friendships and my continued growth and knowledge in and about >Linux, I learn something new everyday. > >Thank you > >Sincerely, > >John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell >_______________________________________________ >satlug-etc mailing list >satlug-etc@satlug.org >http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 14:20:23 2005 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Jan 6 08:02:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Strange GET in access log In-Reply-To: <41DC499E.1060503@then7.com> Message-ID: > >Kase Saylor wrote: > >>All, >> >>I found the following in my Apache access log: >>66.35.250.150 - - [03/Jan/2005:22:44:07 -0600] "GET >>http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt HTTP/1.0" 404 286 "-" "libwww-perl/5.76" >> >transparent proxy? open proxy? > >~e What is a "transparent proxy" or an "open proxy"? From chardon47 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 06:40:20 2005 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Thu Jan 6 08:21:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) [satlug-etc] Newcomer to San Antonio area In-Reply-To: <41DD3FE4.2050004@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <20050106144020.42402.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Steve, the drive isn't 15 minutes. I live in Schertz and it takes more than 15 minutes for me to get to my buddies at Canyon Lake. And I work downtown SA, and that is 30 or 45 minutes from my house. A typical commute in rush hour traffic from there will take minutes at a minimum to downtown. Depends on your work location. steve kolars wrote: Don Wright wrote: >Forwarded for wider audience. --Don > >On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:26 -0600, TriKster Abacus > wrote: > >Hello, > >My name is John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell, I am 34, married and 2 >children. I came about satlug looking for information regarding a LUG in >the San Antonio area. I knew there was one, just didn't know how well >it was organized. > >My wife and 2 children are planning on moving to N. San Antonio (Canyon >Lake) to build a house. We would like to be there and settled in by next >Xmas. > >I have done as much research as possible IMHO.. except actually getting >on the phone and calling around. I wanted to know.. how are Internet >services there? Canyon Lake is supposevedly 15 minutes away from SA. > You need some facts. Someone lied to you! I live in Comal county. Your drive to S.A. will be at least 45 minutes. Depending on where you live around Canyon Lake internet service ranges from Guadalupe Valley Coop (internet sucks) to Road Runner. There are a lot of places to build a large house--each place has its pluses and minuses. An important thing to be very careful of is how the terrain is during a flood. > Is >there a better location for a large house, in a safe neighborhood with a >good school district? We lived in SA back in the early 90s' while I >attended US Army Special Forces medic training for a bout a year, just >off of Ft. Sam Houston. > >I can get around SA pretty well, though I don't remember the street >names.. but I can picture in my mind everywhere to go. I want a warmer >environment for my wife and kids and a safe place to live and prosper. I >don't need to find a job, neither does my wife, we are both retired from >the Army. > >We want to be close to SA, but not living right there on top of the >city. So Canyon Lake is not our definite stop in our quest for a home. > >We will be visiting SA on the wife's spring break to look for potential >property to build a house on. Then sell everything we have up here in >Clarksville, TN... and then hopefully transition to SA to await the >building of our house. > >A little more about myself. > >I have been using Linux for 8 years now.. though I dual boot for gaming >purposes and for a testing environment. I have a large array of >computers, 1 is a multimedia server that plays non-stop music 24/7. >Another is a 800GB nfs server that is mounted on all of my other >computers. I use my laptop for email, and web work (I own and maintain >linux-militia.net). I run yet another box for my personal webpage. and >then a system for my 5 year old, a system for my wife and 2 gaming rigs. >I am a beta tester for transgaming's cedega and I staff many lan-parties >up here. > >I primarily use Gentoo as my distro of choice. Do not consider myself a >Linux "zealot" but do advocate the power and ability that comes with >Linux. > >How is the Internet down there? Is it reliable? Is the pricing good? I >am currently using dsl and it runs about $50 a month. I don't even know >yet if Canyon Lake would have cable Internet or even dsl. Hopefully if >we do end up there.. I wont have to use satellite. > >If anyone is retired military on the mailing list, how are the VA >facilities? As my wife and I will be needing to use them quite frequently. > >I know there are plenty of things to do for children and the SA area is >quite a nice place to raise 2 great kids. I love the people and culture >of TX and enjoy meeting new people. > >Are there a lot of computer events and shows in the SA area? I know that >everything in TX is bigger and better! lol.. Is there anything I can >expect from living there? We are so excited about finally moving from >this little town in TN and miss TX so much. How is the cost of living >and I can't quite remember the weather.. though I do recall ice.. and I >do recall the heat. But neither affected me enough to hate being there.. >Unlike up here in TN.. when from November to March it is worthless to do >anything outside because it is too cold, but not cold enough to snow.. >and it can be wet and muddy. In the summer it is usually very hot and >extremely humid. I can imagine the heat in SA, but I don't recall >sweating my butt off just from walking outside. > >I can't wait to get down there and meet you all. I look forward to the >new found friendships and my continued growth and knowledge in and about >Linux, I learn something new everyday. > >Thank you > >Sincerely, > >John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell >_______________________________________________ >satlug-etc mailing list >satlug-etc@satlug.org >http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved." ~ Will Rogers From eli at then7.com Thu Jan 6 09:00:01 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Thu Jan 6 08:40:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Strange GET in access log In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DD5271.9050803@then7.com> Kase Saylor wrote: >> >> Kase Saylor wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> I found the following in my Apache access log: >>> 66.35.250.150 - - [03/Jan/2005:22:44:07 -0600] "GET >>> http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt HTTP/1.0" 404 286 "-" "libwww-perl/5.76" >>> >> transparent proxy? open proxy? >> >> ~e > > > What is a "transparent proxy" or an "open proxy"? > Well my first thought was that someone is requesting something from your server that's obviously not on your server. This is essentially what a proxy server does. It behaves as a middle man for web requests(http and others). So if you had setup your server as a proxy server of some sort, I could point my web browser to your server, and all my requests for any website would go through your server. I thought that maybe you had setup a proxy for internal use, and someone on the outside was attempting to use it. ~e From cilorentson at devtex.net Thu Jan 6 09:14:36 2005 From: cilorentson at devtex.net (Chuck Lorentson) Date: Thu Jan 6 08:56:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re-k5kcr, kc5cqa In-Reply-To: <200501061421.j06ELvY06233@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200501061421.j06ELvY06233@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <41DD55DC.6090708@devtex.net> Bill, Chuck here, I am 'kinda' jumping in, saw you question about hams, I am re establishing my two/440 antenna. Do you monitor local SA repeaters? Warning, I am a 'newbie' to linex, and WILL ask you questions, soooo this is an opportunity not to ''ker Chunk", if you know what I mean? 73 cl. > > From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 15:33:27 2005 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Jan 6 09:15:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Strange GET in access log In-Reply-To: <41DD5271.9050803@then7.com> Message-ID: >Kase Saylor wrote: > >>> >>>Kase Saylor wrote: >>> >>>>All, >>>> >>>>I found the following in my Apache access log: >>>>66.35.250.150 - - [03/Jan/2005:22:44:07 -0600] "GET >>>>http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt HTTP/1.0" 404 286 "-" "libwww-perl/5.76" >>>> >>>transparent proxy? open proxy? >>> >>>~e >> >> >>What is a "transparent proxy" or an "open proxy"? >> >Well my first thought was that someone is requesting something from your >server that's obviously not on your server. This is essentially what a >proxy server does. It behaves as a middle man for web requests(http and >others). So if you had setup your server as a proxy server of some sort, I >could point my web browser to your server, and all my requests for any >website would go through your server. > >I thought that maybe you had setup a proxy for internal use, and someone on >the outside was attempting to use it. > >~e As far as I know, I never set up my server to act as a proxy. I would assume I'd actually have to manually do that? All I've done is setup Apache and Samba. From chardon47 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 07:37:43 2005 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Thu Jan 6 09:18:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re-k5kcr, kc5cqa In-Reply-To: <41DD55DC.6090708@devtex.net> Message-ID: <20050106153743.86890.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> Chuck, I usually monitor the "Roost", the Canyon Lake repeater 147.140, but also have most, if not all the SA repeaters programmed in. I usually have my Yaseu on scan when I am moving. I also monitor the 146.94 and the AARO 147.38 at times. Here is the link for all the local repeaters. http://home.satx.rr.com/kcomm/Repeaters.htm Let me know if you are on any certain times. I am not a good Linux resource, that's why I monitor the mailing list. I have been tinkering with Linux for a couple years and still am hopelessly confused. Chuck Lorentson wrote: Bill, Chuck here, I am 'kinda' jumping in, saw you question about hams, I am re establishing my two/440 antenna. Do you monitor local SA repeaters? Warning, I am a 'newbie' to linex, and WILL ask you questions, soooo this is an opportunity not to ''ker Chunk", if you know what I mean? 73 cl. > > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved." ~ Will Rogers From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 11:45:40 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Jan 6 11:26:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) [satlug-etc] Newcomer to San Antonio area In-Reply-To: <20050106144020.42402.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <41DD3FE4.2050004@cis.sac.accd.edu> <20050106144020.42402.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4154519d05010609457d0e56c@mail.gmail.com> The drive sure isn't 15 minutes. I live in the NW side of town and it takes me a good 45 - 50 minutes to drive out to some of my friends near Canyon Lake. Take a look at what Mapquest says for Canyon Lake and San Antonio. Total Est. Time: 1 hour, 13 minutes Total Est. Distance: 49.96 miles Those numbers can change quite a bit depending on which side of the lake you're on and which side of San Antonio you're going to. -Mike On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:40:20 -0800 (PST), Bill wrote: > I agree with Steve, the drive isn't 15 minutes. I live in Schertz and it takes more than 15 minutes for me to get to my buddies at Canyon Lake. And I work downtown SA, and that is 30 or 45 minutes from my house. A typical commute in rush hour traffic from there will take minutes at a minimum to downtown. Depends on your work location. > > > steve kolars wrote: > Don Wright wrote: > > >Forwarded for wider audience. --Don > > > >On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:26 -0600, TriKster Abacus > > wrote: > > > >Hello, > > > >My name is John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell, I am 34, married and 2 > >children. I came about satlug looking for information regarding a LUG in > >the San Antonio area. I knew there was one, just didn't know how well > >it was organized. > > > >My wife and 2 children are planning on moving to N. San Antonio (Canyon > >Lake) to build a house. We would like to be there and settled in by next > >Xmas. > > > >I have done as much research as possible IMHO.. except actually getting > >on the phone and calling around. I wanted to know.. how are Internet > >services there? Canyon Lake is supposevedly 15 minutes away from SA. > > > You need some facts. Someone lied to you! I live in Comal county. > Your drive to S.A. will be at least 45 minutes. Depending on where you > live around Canyon Lake internet service ranges from Guadalupe Valley > Coop (internet sucks) to Road Runner. There are a lot of places to > build a large house--each place has its pluses and minuses. An > important thing to be very careful of is how the terrain is during a flood. > > > Is > >there a better location for a large house, in a safe neighborhood with a > >good school district? We lived in SA back in the early 90s' while I > >attended US Army Special Forces medic training for a bout a year, just > >off of Ft. Sam Houston. > > > >I can get around SA pretty well, though I don't remember the street > >names.. but I can picture in my mind everywhere to go. I want a warmer > >environment for my wife and kids and a safe place to live and prosper. I > >don't need to find a job, neither does my wife, we are both retired from > >the Army. > > > >We want to be close to SA, but not living right there on top of the > >city. So Canyon Lake is not our definite stop in our quest for a home. > > > >We will be visiting SA on the wife's spring break to look for potential > >property to build a house on. Then sell everything we have up here in > >Clarksville, TN... and then hopefully transition to SA to await the > >building of our house. > > > >A little more about myself. > > > >I have been using Linux for 8 years now.. though I dual boot for gaming > >purposes and for a testing environment. I have a large array of > >computers, 1 is a multimedia server that plays non-stop music 24/7. > >Another is a 800GB nfs server that is mounted on all of my other > >computers. I use my laptop for email, and web work (I own and maintain > >linux-militia.net). I run yet another box for my personal webpage. and > >then a system for my 5 year old, a system for my wife and 2 gaming rigs. > >I am a beta tester for transgaming's cedega and I staff many lan-parties > >up here. > > > >I primarily use Gentoo as my distro of choice. Do not consider myself a > >Linux "zealot" but do advocate the power and ability that comes with > >Linux. > > > >How is the Internet down there? Is it reliable? Is the pricing good? I > >am currently using dsl and it runs about $50 a month. I don't even know > >yet if Canyon Lake would have cable Internet or even dsl. Hopefully if > >we do end up there.. I wont have to use satellite. > > > >If anyone is retired military on the mailing list, how are the VA > >facilities? As my wife and I will be needing to use them quite frequently. > > > >I know there are plenty of things to do for children and the SA area is > >quite a nice place to raise 2 great kids. I love the people and culture > >of TX and enjoy meeting new people. > > > >Are there a lot of computer events and shows in the SA area? I know that > >everything in TX is bigger and better! lol.. Is there anything I can > >expect from living there? We are so excited about finally moving from > >this little town in TN and miss TX so much. How is the cost of living > >and I can't quite remember the weather.. though I do recall ice.. and I > >do recall the heat. But neither affected me enough to hate being there.. > >Unlike up here in TN.. when from November to March it is worthless to do > >anything outside because it is too cold, but not cold enough to snow.. > >and it can be wet and muddy. In the summer it is usually very hot and > >extremely humid. I can imagine the heat in SA, but I don't recall > >sweating my butt off just from walking outside. > > > >I can't wait to get down there and meet you all. I look forward to the > >new found friendships and my continued growth and knowledge in and about > >Linux, I learn something new everyday. > > > >Thank you > > > >Sincerely, > > > >John aka "TriKster Abacus" Luttrell > >_______________________________________________ > >satlug-etc mailing list > >satlug-etc@satlug.org > >http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Bill Hatfield K5KCR > > "Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved." ~ Will Rogers > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From rwegner at satx.rr.com Thu Jan 6 12:05:51 2005 From: rwegner at satx.rr.com (Richard Wegner) Date: Thu Jan 6 11:47:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Newbie (sorta) Message-ID: <41DD6FEF.40000@satx.rr.com> Hi there, I am somewhat a newbie when it comes to Linux. I am just curious when the club meeting will be next for SATLUG. I would like to meet some other Linux users and find out about Linux Certification(s) and obtaining jobs in such field too. Thanks Richard Wegner From pandemic at syn-recon.net Thu Jan 6 13:54:34 2005 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net) Date: Thu Jan 6 13:35:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Strange GET in access log In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DD977A.6010109@syn-recon.net> Kase Saylor wrote: >> Kase Saylor wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Kase Saylor wrote: >>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> I found the following in my Apache access log: >>>>> 66.35.250.150 - - [03/Jan/2005:22:44:07 -0600] "GET >>>>> http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt HTTP/1.0" 404 286 "-" >>>>> "libwww-perl/5.76" >>>>> >>>> transparent proxy? open proxy? >>>> >>>> ~e >>> >>> >>> >>> What is a "transparent proxy" or an "open proxy"? >>> >> Well my first thought was that someone is requesting something from >> your server that's obviously not on your server. This is essentially >> what a proxy server does. It behaves as a middle man for web >> requests(http and others). So if you had setup your server as a proxy >> server of some sort, I could point my web browser to your server, and >> all my requests for any website would go through your server. >> >> I thought that maybe you had setup a proxy for internal use, and >> someone on the outside was attempting to use it. >> >> ~e > > > As far as I know, I never set up my server to act as a proxy. I would > assume I'd actually have to manually do that? All I've done is setup > Apache and Samba. > You might wanna make sure mod_proxy isn't being loaded by apache, on the bright side at least the request failed :) Florian From eli at then7.com Thu Jan 6 15:02:12 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Thu Jan 6 14:42:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Strange GET in access log In-Reply-To: <41DD977A.6010109@syn-recon.net> References: <41DD977A.6010109@syn-recon.net> Message-ID: <41DDA754.80500@then7.com> pandemic@syn-recon.net wrote: > Kase Saylor wrote: > >>> Kase Saylor wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> Kase Saylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I found the following in my Apache access log: >>>>>> 66.35.250.150 - - [03/Jan/2005:22:44:07 -0600] "GET >>>>>> http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt HTTP/1.0" 404 286 "-" >>>>>> "libwww-perl/5.76" >>>>>> >>>>> transparent proxy? open proxy? >>>>> >>>>> ~e >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What is a "transparent proxy" or an "open proxy"? >>>> >>> Well my first thought was that someone is requesting something from >>> your server that's obviously not on your server. This is >>> essentially what a proxy server does. It behaves as a middle man >>> for web requests(http and others). So if you had setup your server >>> as a proxy server of some sort, I could point my web browser to your >>> server, and all my requests for any website would go through your >>> server. >>> >>> I thought that maybe you had setup a proxy for internal use, and >>> someone on the outside was attempting to use it. >>> >>> ~e >> >> >> >> As far as I know, I never set up my server to act as a proxy. I would >> assume I'd actually have to manually do that? All I've done is setup >> Apache and Samba. >> > > You might wanna make sure mod_proxy isn't being loaded by apache, on > the bright side at least the request failed :) > > Florian > _______________________________________________ perhaps it was just probing. if it fails, then no proxy is available, and if it works, then the proxy is open to the public. ...just guessing at this point. ~e From storey at clamp.ws Thu Jan 6 19:29:20 2005 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Thu Jan 6 19:10:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG update ? Message-ID: <000b01c4f458$4fa836a0$3201000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> Would someone please update the SATLUG web page ? I would hate for newbies requesting information to think that no one here knows how. Thanks, Storey From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Jan 6 19:44:50 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jan 6 19:25:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG update ? In-Reply-To: <000b01c4f458$4fa836a0$3201000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> References: <000b01c4f458$4fa836a0$3201000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1105062291.4109.355.camel@laptop> I've already offered to do so -- but I been given a date/place/time yet. And while I can update the website -- I can't get that. Chuck On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:29, Storey Clamp wrote: Would someone please update the SATLUG web page ? I would hate for newbies requesting information to think that no one here knows how. Thanks, Storey _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Jan 6 19:54:36 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jan 6 19:35:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG update ? In-Reply-To: <1105062291.4109.355.camel@laptop> References: <000b01c4f458$4fa836a0$3201000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1105062291.4109.355.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1105062877.4109.357.camel@laptop> Ooooopssss, I meant to say "HAVEN'T been given a date/place/time". Chuck On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:44, Chuck wrote: I've already offered to do so -- but I been given a date/place/time yet. And while I can update the website -- I can't get that. Chuck On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:29, Storey Clamp wrote: Would someone please update the SATLUG web page ? I would hate for newbies requesting information to think that no one here knows how. Thanks, Storey _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 20:04:28 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Jan 6 19:45:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG update ? In-Reply-To: <1105062877.4109.357.camel@laptop> References: <000b01c4f458$4fa836a0$3201000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1105062291.4109.355.camel@laptop> <1105062877.4109.357.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4154519d0501061804675c591d@mail.gmail.com> C'mon Chuck! You use to be the SATLUG president. You mean you never learned the secret handshake needed to edit files on the site? ;-) On 06 Jan 2005 19:54:36 -0600, Chuck wrote: > Ooooopssss, I meant to say "HAVEN'T been given a date/place/time". > > Chuck > > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:44, Chuck wrote: > > I've already offered to do so -- but I been given a date/place/time > yet. And while I can update the website -- I can't get that. > > Chuck > > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:29, Storey Clamp wrote: > > Would someone please update the SATLUG web page ? > I would hate for newbies requesting information to think that no one here > knows how. > > Thanks, Storey > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jan 6 22:50:02 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Thu Jan 6 22:31:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] IP packet level authentication with NuFW Message-ID: <200501062250.02089.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Wow! You guys seen this?! http://www.nufw.org/ This could be used on a firewall or even a Linksys wireless AP to do PER USER authentication! Very cool stuff! Tweeks From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 02:07:31 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jan 7 01:48:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Eye Candy - Moving Windows -- OT In-Reply-To: <8d3555e405010413026423ce90@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc050102200714d8e8@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc05010307461e66dab@mail.gmail.com> <8d3555e405010413026423ce90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc050107000760f10f6@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:02:55 -0600, Paul Macejewski wrote: > What do you use to emulate the OS X dashboard thing. Paul: Actually that's the standard panel, set not to expand to the edges of the screen, and also set to 'autohide'. It is quite similar to the dock in OSX, but much more flexible in terms of what you can put on it. From imeinzen at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 06:35:16 2005 From: imeinzen at gmail.com (Ian Meinzen) Date: Fri Jan 7 06:16:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing Fedora over network Message-ID: <4603d9ee050107043532e7aa67@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I've been trying to install Fedora Core 3 on my one of