From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 13:22:46 2005 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Thu Jun 30 11:57:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] After setting up GRUB, X doesn't start In-Reply-To: <42C3EDD1.50204@gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0506271152609619cd@mail.gmail.com> <1119995009.12965.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42C3EDD1.50204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C56DD6.6030005@gmail.com> Jim Wells wrote: > Mark D McCoy wrote: > >> On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 14:52 -0400, JFW5CPA wrote: >> >>> I am currently running a hard disk installation of Knoppix 3.8.1 and >>> all is well AS LONG AS I RUN LILO! I have done a grub install from >>> the Knoppix install and for some strange reason X will then refuse to >>> start with a message about "no screen found." Without making any >>> changes to X except restoring LILO, I reboot with LILO and it works >>> perfectly again. >>> >>> I get this error both when using the version of GRUB on the CD as well >>> as when I compile it from source. >>> >>> Does anyone have any ideas what is going on? >> >> >> >> Do you have the same kernel options under lilo and grub? This is the >> first I've heard of in a long while of lilo booting a machine that grub >> has a problem with. Post your lilo and grub configs. That should give >> us a start. >> >> > Mark, > It appears that the kernal options passed with GRUB are not the same as > the ones passed with LILO. I ASSUMED (and we ALL know what happens > when you assume) that GRUB was looking at LILO and getting the existing > kernal options. > > I'm going to sit down and try to re-write my GRUB configuration... > > Jim > The options passed to the kernel were not the same under GRUB as they were booting with LILO. After printing out both configurations I was able to get the proper options into the GRUB menu. Silly me, I assumed (& we ALL know what happens when you assume) that GRUB was looking at the existing LILO configuration. Thanks for the help. From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jul 1 01:12:55 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jun 30 23:49:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Boot to Windows XP In-Reply-To: <277020fc05063020021d703fbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc05063020021d703fbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6vg9c1lgj78rjkvesj1iuhrf9a8vq3f14d@4ax.com> On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:02:33 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: >Greetings friends - I just upgraded my computer last night. At first >I was not sure that my Linux installation would like having the >motherboard switched out completely - but lo & behold - it booted up >and kudzu helped me remove the old drivers and install the new. > >The bad news is that I can no longer dual-boot to windows for some >reason. Windows XP has product activation that considers a hardware upgrade as an attempt to install on a second computer (you filthy pirate) and thus locks up. In fact, Microsoft corporate considers a mobo upgrade as a completely new computer, and may decide not to let you reauthorize without payment. Reportedly the authorization phone droids have so far been liberal in allowing upgrades, but the official policy is new mobo = new sale. I haven't tried a Windows install to other than /dev/hda in quite a while, so you may have better results putting it back there until the repair/ reinstall is successful. (Your Linux boot loader seems to manage the magic of getting Windows to boot from the alternate drive address.) Keeping the Linux drive completely out of the box during Windows repair should prevent damage to your good operating systems. The goal is to repair Windows by doing a reinstall over the existing partition, loading the correct device drivers instead of the ones for your old system. The XP installer should offer you several repair options. Try each of them, in turn, until you get a working system. I'm pretty sure the first one, involving a recovery disk, is not going to work as your critical hardware is now completely different. I would therefore skip the first suggestion and go straight to the install where it detects an existing Windows installation and offers to repair it. Once you can boot to the repaired Windows, be sure to perform all of the security updates, as your reinstall has replaced the newer system files with the broken ones from the install CD. (If you have another XP machine available you might look into building an updated install CD with the latest service pack.) Lastly, restore your preferred drive arrangement and reinstall GRUB/LILO, if needed, with the drive exchange magic from your second message. --Don From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 10:40:41 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Jul 1 09:17:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Using Treo 650 from Sprint as modem for laptop In-Reply-To: <42C46A6C.6040303@liberto.org> References: <20050630214921.72487.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> <42C46A6C.6040303@liberto.org> Message-ID: <869de84705070107401da6ba1c@mail.gmail.com> Yes. I used to do this with my Treo 300. The software is called PDAnet. It is available for the Treo 300 and 6XX series. FIRESTORM_v1 On 6/30/05, Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > I have done this with the Spring LG-325. Worked fine after a Firmware > update. I was surprised when I found that the phone has an option to > update its sw version, hopefully they'll release a version that has file > transfer support. Everything was very similar to the way I would connect > using my old Sanyo and a USB adapter. > > > Mary Yatti wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I used finished reading the below in the Wall Street > >Journal and wonder if anyone has tried it yet? > >http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB112008128402073314,00.html?mod=todays_us_marketplace > > > >-------------------------------------------- > > > >Q: You recently wrote that the Treo 650 from Sprint > >can be used as a modem for a laptop, using a wireless > >Bluetooth connection. I thought this wasn't possible. > >How can it be done? > > > >A: Sprint has just issued a software patch that will > >finally allow this, though the company warns that you > >will need a new, presumably costlier, calling plan to > >use your Treo in this manner. Cellphone companies > >customarily charge more for data plans for laptop > >modems than for similar plans for cellphones, because > >they assume laptop users will consume much more > >network bandwidth by downloading much more data. > > > >The software patch is available at > >www.palmone.com/us/support/downloads/treo650updater/sprint.html. > >* * * > >_______________________________________________ > >SATLUG mailing list > >SATLUG@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > -- > *Jesse Gonzalez > */Network Administrator > /Liberto Management Co., Inc. > (210) 253-2285 > jesse@liberto.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From J at JVPappas.net Fri Jul 1 13:28:52 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:05:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Permissions issues on NFS/Reiser... Message-ID: <1120238932.10830.161.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Hello All, Background: I have an NFS Server exporting rw folders on a Reiser FS partition. I have ACLs and Extended attributes enabled. On the directories, I have set the default ACL and mask to the correct settings. The issue: When a user saves a file via an Application, the permissions are set to 644, so users in the same group do not have wx access to the files. The Questions: How to I configure things so that 660 is the default save umask for the user, rather than 644? -- How do I do this for the GUI apps? -- Why are default ACLs not working? Thanks! John From pac at fortuitous.com Fri Jul 1 15:56:15 2005 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:32:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Permissions issues on NFS/Reiser... In-Reply-To: <1120238932.10830.161.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <1120238932.10830.161.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <20050701195615.GA30433@mail.fortuitous.com> On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 12:28:52PM -0500, John Pappas wrote: > Hello All, > > Background: > I have an NFS Server exporting rw folders on a Reiser FS partition. I > have ACLs and Extended attributes enabled. On the directories, I have > set the default ACL and mask to the correct settings. Please show these settings.. > The issue: > When a user saves a file via an Application, the permissions are set to > 644, so users in the same group do not have wx access to the files. > > The Questions: > How to I configure things so that 660 is the default save umask for the > user, rather than 644? > > -- How do I do this for the GUI apps? Not sure what you mean by this. ACL's are set on file and dirs, not in apps. > -- Why are default ACLs not working? What are the default ACL's ? (getfacl) ? -Phil .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From J at JVPappas.net Fri Jul 1 14:12:13 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:48:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Permissions issues on NFS/Reiser... In-Reply-To: <20050701195615.GA30433@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <1120238932.10830.161.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <20050701195615.GA30433@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <1120241533.10830.181.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> ACL Settings: Directory: # owner: john # group: users user::rwx group::rwx other::--- default:user::rwx default:group::rwx default:group:users:rwx default:mask::rwx default:other::--- I agree that permissions are set on dirs/files, but the permissions are different based on what app is used to save the file: acroread, OpenOffice, etc. Created new file with Open Office: # file: test.odt # owner: john # group: users user::rw- group::rwx #effective:rw- group:users:rwx #effective:rw- mask::rw- other::--- Saved PDF from Acrobat 7: # file: test.pdf # owner: john # group: users user::rw- group::rwx #effective:--- group:users:rwx #effective:--- mask::--- other::--- Default ACLs are shown above in the getfacl of the directory. On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 14:56 -0500, Phil Carinhas wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 12:28:52PM -0500, John Pappas wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > Background: > > I have an NFS Server exporting rw folders on a Reiser FS partition. I > > have ACLs and Extended attributes enabled. On the directories, I have > > set the default ACL and mask to the correct settings. > > Please show these settings.. > > > The issue: > > When a user saves a file via an Application, the permissions are set to > > 644, so users in the same group do not have wx access to the files. > > > > The Questions: > > How to I configure things so that 660 is the default save umask for the > > user, rather than 644? > > > > -- How do I do this for the GUI apps? > Not sure what you mean by this. ACL's are set on file and dirs, not in > apps. > > > -- Why are default ACLs not working? > > What are the default ACL's ? (getfacl) ? > > -Phil > .--------------------------------------------------------. > | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | > | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | > `--------------------------------------------------------' > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:19:12 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:55:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] iTunes Server on Linux Message-ID: <869de84705070114193eed50ea@mail.gmail.com> I have been messing with database applications for storing/streaming MP3 media and have seriously considered delving into the iTunes domain. Has anyone messed with iTunes for Windows 2000/Xp and a local media server? How hard was it to set up? I have looked at some FAQs and am preparing a virtual partition but am concerned with the DRM that is contained in iTunes messing with my MP3 collection that is legally obtained. Any opinions? FIRESTORM_v1 From mike at nerone.org Fri Jul 1 17:37:28 2005 From: mike at nerone.org (Mike Nerone) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:14:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] iTunes Server on Linux In-Reply-To: <869de84705070114193eed50ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de84705070114193eed50ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C5B798.6050900@nerone.org> daapd (http://www.deleet.de/projekte/daap/daapd/) was the first implementation, but mt-daapd (http://www.mt-daapd.org/) seems to be better now. In either case, the Linux server won't be compatible with the iTunes store's DRM. You'd need to strip it using Hymn (http://www.hymn-project.org/) or something similar. I don't use music store, so I haven't read the terms, and IANAL anyway, but in spirit, stripping the DRM should be ok as long as you did buy the music legitimately. Mike Nerone FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >I have been messing with database applications for storing/streaming >MP3 media and have seriously considered delving into the iTunes >domain. > >Has anyone messed with iTunes for Windows 2000/Xp and a local media >server? How hard was it to set up? I have looked at some FAQs and >am preparing a virtual partition but am concerned with the DRM that is >contained in iTunes messing with my MP3 collection that is legally >obtained. > > >Any opinions? > >FIRESTORM_v1 >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:37:54 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:14:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] iTunes Server on Linux In-Reply-To: <869de84705070114193eed50ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de84705070114193eed50ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C5B7B2.2010202@gmail.com> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >I have been messing with database applications for storing/streaming >MP3 media and have seriously considered delving into the iTunes >domain. > >Has anyone messed with iTunes for Windows 2000/Xp and a local media >server? How hard was it to set up? I have looked at some FAQs and >am preparing a virtual partition but am concerned with the DRM that is >contained in iTunes messing with my MP3 collection that is legally >obtained. > > >Any opinions? > >FIRESTORM_v1 >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Why not keep is Linux and use GNUMP3D, very nice project that let's you server MP3 and more via a webpage interface. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ Zeb From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 18:36:18 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:12:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] iTunes Server on Linux In-Reply-To: <42C5B798.6050900@nerone.org> References: <869de84705070114193eed50ea@mail.gmail.com> <42C5B798.6050900@nerone.org> Message-ID: <869de8470507011536765755c3@mail.gmail.com> well, I don't use itunes anyways, but I have a lot of MP3s that were ripped from CDs that I own... I have been using a MP3 database kinda like gnump3d: http://coolmp3.sf.net/ although the programming leaves a bit to be desired, it does work ok once the bugs are killed.. :P Thanks for the input guys. FIRESTORM_v1 On 7/1/05, Mike Nerone wrote: > daapd (http://www.deleet.de/projekte/daap/daapd/) was the first > implementation, but mt-daapd (http://www.mt-daapd.org/) seems to be > better now. In either case, the Linux server won't be compatible with > the iTunes store's DRM. You'd need to strip it using Hymn > (http://www.hymn-project.org/) or something similar. I don't use music > store, so I haven't read the terms, and IANAL anyway, but in spirit, > stripping the DRM should be ok as long as you did buy the music > legitimately. > > Mike Nerone > > FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > > >I have been messing with database applications for storing/streaming > >MP3 media and have seriously considered delving into the iTunes > >domain. > > > >Has anyone messed with iTunes for Windows 2000/Xp and a local media > >server? How hard was it to set up? I have looked at some FAQs and > >am preparing a virtual partition but am concerned with the DRM that is > >contained in iTunes messing with my MP3 collection that is legally > >obtained. > > > > > >Any opinions? > > > >FIRESTORM_v1 > >_______________________________________________ > >SATLUG mailing list > >SATLUG@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From country at the-cia.net Fri Jul 1 21:13:15 2005 From: country at the-cia.net (country) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:51:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need some help from HAM's Message-ID: <42C5EA2B.2060004@the-cia.net> Hey guys, have a customer and fellow spook that is looking for a HAM rig with a BFO so he can take ditties, and listen (reminisce and his eyes are failing he can use his ears to help keep interest up in thing) Anybody out there got any leads on where he might find one in SA??? Glenn T. From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 23:46:04 2005 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Fri Jul 1 22:20:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need some help from HAM's In-Reply-To: <42C5EA2B.2060004@the-cia.net> References: <42C5EA2B.2060004@the-cia.net> Message-ID: <42C7516C.5000204@gmail.com> I would recommend going by KCOMM The Ham Radio Store. Probably the best person to talk to would be Ed. Ed knows both the new equipment as well as having a good idea of what used equipment is on consignment there. Depending on how big a hurry he is in if he wants to wait. There is a radio swap meet in Austin, Texas during early August and one in San Antonio in early January 2006. 73, Jim country wrote: > Hey guys, have a customer and fellow spook that is looking for a HAM rig > with a BFO so he can take ditties, and listen (reminisce and his eyes > are failing he can use his ears to help keep interest up in thing) > > Anybody out there got any leads on where he might find one in SA??? > > > Glenn T. > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Jul 2 08:00:14 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Sat Jul 2 06:36:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] write access satlug website Message-ID: <42C681CE.4050804@cis.sac.accd.edu> If you have write access to the SATLUG website please e-mail me off list skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. Thanks, Steve From rwegner at satx.rr.com Sat Jul 2 10:10:25 2005 From: rwegner at satx.rr.com (Richard Wegner) Date: Sat Jul 2 08:46:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Java Message-ID: <42C6A051.6020608@satx.rr.com> Hi there... I recently downloaded the Linux for Java, filename "j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" and did exactly what it said on their website. I did a "chmod +x j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" then I created a folder called "java" and moved the file into that folder, and lastly I did "./j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" all as it suggested. It put stuff in a folder, but now I'm wondering how do I get Java to be into my browsers (Mozilla 1.7.2 and Firefox 1.0.4). I have many other plugins to those browsers but somehow Java won't go in there. I'm totally lost. Oh yeah, I'm using Mandrake 10.1 Community Edition too...Thanks! Richard Wegner From pandemic at syn-recon.net Sat Jul 2 10:44:51 2005 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net) Date: Sat Jul 2 09:21:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Java In-Reply-To: <42C6A051.6020608@satx.rr.com> References: <42C6A051.6020608@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <42C6A863.4010407@syn-recon.net> http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/java.html :) Richard Wegner wrote: > Hi there... > > I recently downloaded the Linux for Java, filename > "j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" and did exactly what it said on their > website. > > I did a "chmod +x j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" then I created a folder > called "java" and moved the file into that folder, and lastly I did > "./j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" all as it suggested. > > It put stuff in a folder, but now I'm wondering how do I get Java to be > into my browsers (Mozilla 1.7.2 and Firefox 1.0.4). I have many other > plugins to those browsers but somehow Java won't go in there. I'm > totally lost. > > Oh yeah, I'm using Mandrake 10.1 Community Edition too...Thanks! > > Richard Wegner > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From rwegner at satx.rr.com Sat Jul 2 10:53:23 2005 From: rwegner at satx.rr.com (Richard Wegner) Date: Sat Jul 2 09:29:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Java In-Reply-To: <42C6A863.4010407@syn-recon.net> References: <42C6A051.6020608@satx.rr.com> <42C6A863.4010407@syn-recon.net> Message-ID: <42C6AA63.7060505@satx.rr.com> pandemic@syn-recon.net wrote: > > http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/java.html :) > > Richard Wegner wrote: > >> Hi there... >> >> I recently downloaded the Linux for Java, filename >> "j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" and did exactly what it said on their >> website. >> >> I did a "chmod +x j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" then I created a >> folder called "java" and moved the file into that folder, and lastly >> I did "./j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin" all as it suggested. >> >> It put stuff in a folder, but now I'm wondering how do I get Java to >> be into my browsers (Mozilla 1.7.2 and Firefox 1.0.4). I have many >> other plugins to those browsers but somehow Java won't go in there. >> I'm totally lost. >> >> Oh yeah, I'm using Mandrake 10.1 Community Edition too...Thanks! >> >> Richard Wegner >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Thank-you VERY MUCH!!!! Sun's website was NOT that helpful! From pandemic at syn-recon.net Sat Jul 2 13:34:07 2005 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net) Date: Sat Jul 2 12:10:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Java In-Reply-To: <42C6AA63.7060505@satx.rr.com> References: <42C6A051.6020608@satx.rr.com> <42C6A863.4010407@syn-recon.net> <42C6AA63.7060505@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <42C6D00F.6070401@syn-recon.net> >> > Thank-you VERY MUCH!!!! Sun's website was NOT that helpful! > Eh, http://java.sun.com has the documentation to in the docs section for your version :) florian From yatinhat at yahoo.com Sat Jul 2 12:48:22 2005 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Sat Jul 2 13:24:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Whoppix is DEAD - Long live Whax!!! In-Reply-To: <200507021700.j62H08b20699@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20050702184822.10575.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> http://iwhax.net/modules/news/ From tokiko at tokiko.net Sat Jul 2 15:58:55 2005 From: tokiko at tokiko.net (tokiko@tokiko.net) Date: Sat Jul 2 14:33:15 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] use of alsamixer makes gnome volume control not work In-Reply-To: References: <79ec289f05062906313f50dede@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C6F1FF.8090003@tokiko.net> > This still doesn't tell me why the gnome volume control no longer works. > I adjust the level and it snaps right back to 0. the gnome volume control still uses the oss mixer. (or, at least, alsa's emulation of the oss mixer) i've been using http://zwin.org/projects/zmixer/ instead of gnome-volume-control From mikeaw at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 22:14:12 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Sat Jul 2 20:50:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Java In-Reply-To: <42C6D00F.6070401@syn-recon.net> References: <42C6A051.6020608@satx.rr.com> <42C6A863.4010407@syn-recon.net> <42C6AA63.7060505@satx.rr.com> <42C6D00F.6070401@syn-recon.net> Message-ID: <4154519d050702191478579801@mail.gmail.com> If you're using an RPM-based distribution, you can use JPackage.org to create your own Java RPMs. When you install your newly created RPMs, the plugin is automatically taken care of. -Mike From masterr at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 23:15:30 2005 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:52:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Boot to Windows XP In-Reply-To: <6vg9c1lgj78rjkvesj1iuhrf9a8vq3f14d@4ax.com> References: <277020fc05063020021d703fbd@mail.gmail.com> <6vg9c1lgj78rjkvesj1iuhrf9a8vq3f14d@4ax.com> Message-ID: <14842c41050702201555ce2e34@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/05, Don Wright wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:02:33 -0500, Sean Carolan > wrote: > > >Greetings friends - I just upgraded my computer last night. At first > >I was not sure that my Linux installation would like having the > >motherboard switched out completely - but lo & behold - it booted up > >and kudzu helped me remove the old drivers and install the new. > > > >The bad news is that I can no longer dual-boot to windows for some > >reason. > > Windows XP has product activation that considers a hardware upgrade as an > attempt to install on a second computer (you filthy pirate) and thus locks > up. In fact, Microsoft corporate considers a mobo upgrade as a completely > new computer, and may decide not to let you reauthorize without payment. > Reportedly the authorization phone droids have so far been liberal in > allowing upgrades, but the official policy is new mobo = new sale. > > I haven't tried a Windows install to other than /dev/hda in quite a while, > so you may have better results putting it back there until the repair/ > reinstall is successful. (Your Linux boot loader seems to manage the magic > of getting Windows to boot from the alternate drive address.) Keeping the > Linux drive completely out of the box during Windows repair should prevent > damage to your good operating systems. > > The goal is to repair Windows by doing a reinstall over the existing > partition, loading the correct device drivers instead of the ones for your > old system. The XP installer should offer you several repair options. Try > each of them, in turn, until you get a working system. > > I'm pretty sure the first one, involving a recovery disk, is not going to > work as your critical hardware is now completely different. I would > therefore skip the first suggestion and go straight to the install where > it > detects an existing Windows installation and offers to repair it. > > Once you can boot to the repaired Windows, be sure to perform all of the > security updates, as your reinstall has replaced the newer system files > with > the broken ones from the install CD. (If you have another XP machine > available you might look into building an updated install CD with the > latest > service pack.) > > Lastly, restore your preferred drive arrangement and reinstall GRUB/LILO, > if > needed, with the drive exchange magic from your second message. --Don > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > While this may be true to a point, I don't think that is what his problem is. I get this same error on my gaming box that is dual booted XP and Debian with Grub. Originally I had XP on it alone on Primary Master. When I went to install Debian on that box I moved the XP drive to Secondary Master and put the new drive in it's spot and installed Debian on it. Everything went fine but I can not boot into XP from Grub and I get the same error that Sean described. I can, however, boot XP if I change the boot order in the CMOS settings which leads me to believe that this problem is related to something else. What it is I don't know but I would like to find out if someone else knows. And if not meh, I only use that box for gaming and do all my desktop box on my other Debian computer. -- Jon/MasteR masterr@gmail.com i am a n00b From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 23:45:41 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Jul 2 22:22:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Boot to Windows XP In-Reply-To: <14842c41050702201555ce2e34@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc05063020021d703fbd@mail.gmail.com> <6vg9c1lgj78rjkvesj1iuhrf9a8vq3f14d@4ax.com> <14842c41050702201555ce2e34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc05070220455ab3e941@mail.gmail.com> > While this may be true to a point, I don't think that is what his problem > is. > I get this same error on my gaming box that is dual booted XP and Debian > with Grub. Originally I had XP on it alone on Primary Master. When I went to > install Debian on that box I moved the XP drive to Secondary Master and put > the new drive in it's spot and installed Debian on it. Everything went fine > but I can not boot into XP from Grub and I get the same error that Sean > described. I can, however, boot XP if I change the boot order in the CMOS > settings which leads me to believe that this problem is related to something > else. What it is I don't know but I would like to find out if someone else > knows. And if not meh, I only use that box for gaming and do all my desktop > box on my other Debian computer. Thanks for the helpful tips, guys. After much wrangling, reformatting the drive, deleting the MBR and recreating it with a Knoppix disk, etc. I finally realized that the drive itself had become damaged somehow. Swapped it out with a spare drive I had lying around, installed WinXP, and it booted right up with my same old grub configuration. Jon - as far as your problem goes - check the jumper settings on the hard drives. Sometimes they can get a bit finicky if you have it on cable select (or slave or master, you just have to experiment). Make sure also that you have the info in the grub.conf file to trick WinXP into thinking it's the primary hard drive. WinXP doesn't like to play nice with other OS's. From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Jul 3 01:16:08 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sat Jul 2 23:52:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Boot to Windows XP In-Reply-To: <277020fc05070220455ab3e941@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc05063020021d703fbd@mail.gmail.com> <6vg9c1lgj78rjkvesj1iuhrf9a8vq3f14d@4ax.com> <14842c41050702201555ce2e34@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc05070220455ab3e941@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:45:41 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: >I finally realized that the drive itself had become damaged >somehow. Swapped it out with a spare drive I had lying around, >installed WinXP, and it booted right up with my same old grub >configuration. Law V. A hardware failure will cause system software to crash, and the customer engineer will blame the programmers. Law VI. A system software crash will cause the hardware to act strangely, and the programmers will blame the customer engineer. --from "The Laws of Programming" which dates from the 1970's or earlier. (If the Difference Engine had been completed, Augusta Ada, Countess of Lovelace might have written these.) The list begins: "Definition: A 'working' program is one that has only unobserved bugs." You may find your own copies by Using The Friendly Google on the phrase just quoted. Hint: Look at several of the hits. Your effort will be rewarded. --Don From afcasta at texas.net Mon Jul 4 08:44:09 2005 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Mon Jul 4 08:25:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Using Treo 650 from Sprint as modem for laptop In-Reply-To: <869de84705070107401da6ba1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050630214921.72487.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> <869de84705070107401da6ba1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1120480428.3517.1.camel@shoebox-vm-linux.satx.rr.com> I used PDANet with a Treo 600 and got download speeds around 410 Kbps. On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 09:40, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Yes. I used to do this with my Treo 300. > > The software is called PDAnet. It is available for the Treo 300 and 6XX series. > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On 6/30/05, Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > > I have done this with the Spring LG-325. Worked fine after a Firmware > > update. I was surprised when I found that the phone has an option to > > update its sw version, hopefully they'll release a version that has file > > transfer support. Everything was very similar to the way I would connect > > using my old Sanyo and a USB adapter. > > > > > > Mary Yatti wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I used finished reading the below in the Wall Street > > >Journal and wonder if anyone has tried it yet? > > >http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB112008128402073314,00.html?mod=todays_us_marketplace > > > > > >-------------------------------------------- > > > > > >Q: You recently wrote that the Treo 650 from Sprint > > >can be used as a modem for a laptop, using a wireless > > >Bluetooth connection. I thought this wasn't possible. > > >How can it be done? > > > > > >A: Sprint has just issued a software patch that will > > >finally allow this, though the company warns that you > > >will need a new, presumably costlier, calling plan to > > >use your Treo in this manner. Cellphone companies > > >customarily charge more for data plans for laptop > > >modems than for similar plans for cellphones, because > > >they assume laptop users will consume much more > > >network bandwidth by downloading much more data. > > > > > >The software patch is available at > > >www.palmone.com/us/support/downloads/treo650updater/sprint.html. > > >* * * From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 11:38:30 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Mon Jul 4 10:14:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] 4th of July Humor Message-ID: Get GUMMed --- ------ The Gurus of Unix Meeting of Minds (GUMM) takes place Wednesday, April 1, 2076 (check THAT in your perpetual calendar program), 14 feet above the ground directly in front of the Milpitas Gumps. Members will grep each other by the hand (after intro), yacc a lot, smoke filtered chroots in pipes, chown with forks, use the wc (unless uuclean), fseek nice zombie processes, strip, and sleep, but not, we hope, od. Three days will be devoted to discussion of the ramifications of whodo. Two seconds have been allotted for a complete rundown of all the user- friendly features of Unix. Seminars include "Everything You Know is Wrong", led by Tom Kempson, "Batman or Cat:man?" led by Richie Dennis "cc C? Si! Si!" led by Kerwin Bernighan, and "Document Unix, Are You Kidding?" led by Jan Yeats. No Reader Service No. is necessary because all GUGUs (Gurus of Unix Group of Users) already know everything we could tell them. -- Dr. Dobb's Journal, June '84 http://w5omr.shacknet.nu:81/united/ Happy 4th, y'all -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 12:09:17 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Jul 4 10:45:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems with DBI/DBD-Mysql in cgi scripts Message-ID: <8ee65edd050704090969e550ff@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I'm having a problem right now. I've got a cgi script that has worked before, but not since this new installation of gentoo. I've got apache-2.0.54, mod_perl-1.99.11, php/mod_php-4.4.0, and MySQL-4.1.12. All seems to be working except DBI calls within cgi perl scripts. I can run the script flawlessly from the commandline, but when I call it from a web gui I get errors. You can take a look at: http://nighthawk.dyndns.org:81/logbook/ and the middle frame will show the errors. I've been googling and haven't really found a reason why it shouldn't run. The socket is there, and it is accessable by everyone. Has anyone else run into this problem before, and if so, how did you fix it? Thanks in advance. Ed From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 12:12:32 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Mon Jul 4 10:48:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need some help from HAM's In-Reply-To: <42C7516C.5000204@gmail.com> References: <42C5EA2B.2060004@the-cia.net> <42C7516C.5000204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/2/05, Jim Wells wrote: > I would recommend going by KCOMM The Ham Radio Store. Probably the best > person to talk to would be Ed. Ed knows both the new equipment as well > as having a good idea of what used equipment is on consignment there. > Depending on how big a hurry he is in if he wants to wait. There is a > radio swap meet in Austin, Texas during early August and one in San > Antonio in early January 2006. That's about the only place, locally... There are all kinds of sites, incluing e-pay for finding an old boatanchor receiver. The new-fangled, modernized, transistorized, miniature things that are no bigger'n a disease type of receivers these days, have all that crap built right into 'em. Nothing gives that 'warm-glow' to good ol' Broadcasted audio like an old tube-type reciever, though. And, there are all makes, kinds and models to choose from; Military Surplus, to Cathedral Antiques. The Modern day receivers have the "AM" mode put in/on 'em more as an 'after-thought', it seems. 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR (Yes, Jim - it's me ;-)) Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 12:26:06 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Jul 4 11:02:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Problems with DBI/DBD-Mysql in cgi scripts In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd050704090969e550ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd050704090969e550ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd05070409263032ee76@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/05, Ed Coates wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm having a problem right now. I've got a cgi script that has worked > before, but not since this new installation of gentoo. I've got > apache-2.0.54, mod_perl-1.99.11, php/mod_php-4.4.0, and MySQL-4.1.12. > All seems to be working except DBI calls within cgi perl scripts. I > can run the script flawlessly from the commandline, but when I call it > from a web gui I get errors. You can take a look at: > > http://nighthawk.dyndns.org:81/logbook/ > > and the middle frame will show the errors. I've been googling and > haven't really found a reason why it shouldn't run. The socket is > there, and it is accessable by everyone. > > Has anyone else run into this problem before, and if so, how did you fix it? > > Thanks in advance. > > Ed > Found the problem. Was troubleshooting with Geoff and came to realize, that even though, the socket was accessible to the world, the directory in which it was in, /var/run/mysqld, was not accessible to everyone. Chmod o+x, and the problem was solved. Ed From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 12:29:36 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Mon Jul 4 11:06:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Problems with DBI/DBD-Mysql in cgi scripts In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd05070409263032ee76@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd050704090969e550ff@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd05070409263032ee76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > http://nighthawk.dyndns.org:81/logbook/ > > > Found the problem. Was troubleshooting with Geoff and came to > realize, that even though, the socket was accessible to the world, the > directory in which it was in, /var/run/mysqld, was not accessible to > everyone. Chmod o+x, and the problem was solved. You're welcome :-) -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From cilorentson at devtex.net Mon Jul 4 14:13:48 2005 From: cilorentson at devtex.net (Chuck Lorentson) Date: Mon Jul 4 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl Message-ID: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> My name is Charles; I have asked a few questions in the past. But as of late I have just been ''lurking''. I want to make the 'move' to linux. But as a wise person once said, 'a man has got to know his limitations',(Dirty Harry) I need to download a distro/program system that is not too complicated, still has more 'point&clic' than not, and that meshes with my two primary ''uses'', word, excel. And then for entertainment but not as important, a need for a distro that will work with my older nikon 4300. And last, if possible will play (later record) DVD's. As stated I've been lurking, and as a qualifier of my position of 'learning', I'm on the bottom, I know this because I read the questions "posted here" and they give me a headache : ) No doubt sometime in the future I will 'grow out of this hole' but I have to stop digging first (windows). Maybe a consideration that will best work for me would be both systems, on the same computer???????........... I know 'outthere' others have traveled 'this trail', I just need some direction that will match my requirements. I am not opposed to buying a distro/system, after all, that is what I have been doing all this time. (with said/sad results) thanks in advance. cl."73" From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Mon Jul 4 14:31:17 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:07:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl In-Reply-To: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> Message-ID: Chuck, Let me be the first to welcome you to the Linux-side! I know your situation all too well. I also had to find a system that would coexist somewhat peacefully with other computers/users here at the homestead who are stuck in winblows land. I have tried several different distros and have settled on SuSE 9.2 or 9.3. 9.2 is a little more tried and true while 9.3 has some of the more cutting-edge applications (e.g. newest version of OpenOffice) that may have unforeseen issues that haven't been found yet - although I haven't have any problems. I have it set up to dual-boot on my laptop so I can log into the XP network at the office. It works great. FYI - Open Office is very compatible with the complete MS Office suite and there is even a version available to test on your MS-based system if you want to try it out. As for compatibility with your Nikon, I'd suggest you try the "LIVE" version of either SuSE distro and make sure they work before you take the plunge. That way you can book from CD, try all your peripherals and make sure they work under the distro of choice, then do the full install. FYI - If you have the time and bandwidth, you can download and try live versions of many of the more popular distros out there (Knoppix, SuSE, Ubutu, SLAX, Etc.) Check out Distrowatch.com . Bitorrent is a real help when doing the downloading. Hope this help and Once Again - WELCOME! Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Lorentson Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:14 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl My name is Charles; I have asked a few questions in the past. But as of late I have just been ''lurking''. I want to make the 'move' to linux. But as a wise person once said, 'a man has got to know his limitations',(Dirty Harry) I need to download a distro/program system that is not too complicated, still has more 'point&clic' than not, and that meshes with my two primary ''uses'', word, excel. And then for entertainment but not as important, a need for a distro that will work with my older nikon 4300. And last, if possible will play (later record) DVD's. As stated I've been lurking, and as a qualifier of my position of 'learning', I'm on the bottom, I know this because I read the questions "posted here" and they give me a headache : ) No doubt sometime in the future I will 'grow out of this hole' but I have to stop digging first (windows). Maybe a consideration that will best work for me would be both systems, on the same computer???????........... I know 'outthere' others have traveled 'this trail', I just need some direction that will match my requirements. I am not opposed to buying a distro/system, after all, that is what I have been doing all this time. (with said/sad results) thanks in advance. cl."73" _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 14:56:08 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:32:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl In-Reply-To: References: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> Message-ID: <4154519d05070411567388dee9@mail.gmail.com> Play around with some of the "live" distributions. I'd suggest SuSE or Knoppix. I've also heard good things about Ubutu, but I can't give it an up or down recommendation because I've never tried it. Anyway, a "live" distribution is one that you can run from the CD/DVD without needing to install it. By using a live CD you can test out the look and feel of Linux and make sure there aren't any problems with your particular hardware. Once you've found something you like, you can install it to the hard drive. I'd suggest that when you do take the plunge that you set up a dual-boot system. And if you have multiple hard drives, use one for Windows and the other for Linux. You can partition one hard drive if you want, but I find the process easier if you use different drives only because you can unplug one drive as your doing the install on the other. It's just an extra level of precaution for someone going through the process the first time. If you just have the one hard drive, you should read up on partitioning and installing dual-boot systems in general. And of course, we're always here... -Mike From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Mon Jul 4 15:28:04 2005 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:05:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl In-Reply-To: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> References: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> Message-ID: <42C98DC4.3040709@futuretechsolutions.com> Charles, Most modern distros should handle your needs. I've found that Mandriva has an easy to use installer, and plenty of GUI's to help in configuration on the way to learning your way around the configuration files themselves. As for Word and Excel, OpenOffice should handle most of your needs. A side-note on this is that if you use macros in either Word or Excel, they will have to be re-written for OpenOffice. The Nikon 4300, well, I'm not sure on that one. My little Sony Cybershot plugged in and was found and mounted without any hassles at all. For playing DVD's, I like Xine. It works quite nicely. Setting up a system to dual boot can be useful for certain things, and is quite easy to accomplish with most distros. If you are setting up linux on the same drive as your windows instalation, make sure you have plenty of free space, and de-frag your HD before performing the install. Also, make sure your data is backed-up, and you have your install CD's for Windows and the software you've installed under windows, just in case. It is a good experience. Be prepared to get it wrong the first couple of times you try to install if you are doing this by yourself. (Well, thats the way it was when I first switched over, not sure if it's easier for a first timer to install now.) Don't get discouraged, I'm pretty sure that many of us here were in the same situation when we first switched. Don't worry too much, there are plenty of people here that are more than willing to answer newbie questions, everyone starts out as a newbie and has questions. From a personal standpoint, the most difficult things to get accustomed to were: The filesystem structure, (say goodbye to those nasty little drive letters). Having to switch to root to install new packages. File ownership and permissions, this one can give you nasty little problems that you slap yourself in the forehead and say "Doh!" when you find what the problem was. The first 2 items become second nature after a while, and you wonder whatever you did in Windows with the drive letters and not switching to admin to install things. The last item in the list is a rare problem, but, as recently seen in the list, can jump up and bite anyone in the butt. One very nice thing that you will notice is that each user can have his/her own user interface customized to their own personal taste, without tromping all over other users settings. With some tweaking of config files, you can even have totally different interfaces based on whether you log in to the machine locally, or log in on a remote session. Charles Chuck Lorentson wrote: > My name is Charles; > I have asked a few questions in the past. But as of late I have just > been ''lurking''. > I want to make the 'move' to linux. But as a wise person once said, > 'a man has got to know > his limitations',(Dirty Harry) I need to download a distro/program > system that is not too complicated, still > has more 'point&clic' than not, and that meshes with my two primary > ''uses'', word, excel. And then for entertainment > but not as important, a need for a distro that will work with my older > nikon 4300. And last, if possible will play (later record) DVD's. > As stated I've been lurking, and as a qualifier of my position of > 'learning', I'm on the bottom, I know this because I read the > questions "posted here" and they give me a headache : ) No > doubt sometime in the future I will 'grow out of this hole' but I have > to stop digging first (windows). > Maybe a consideration that will best work for me would be both > systems, on the same computer???????........... I know 'outthere' > others have traveled 'this trail', I just need some direction that > will match my requirements. > I am not opposed to buying a distro/system, after all, that is what > I have been doing all this time. (with said/sad results) > thanks in advance. cl."73" > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Jul 4 17:04:22 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:40:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl In-Reply-To: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> References: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> Message-ID: <42C9A456.1090707@cis.sac.accd.edu> Chuck Lorentson wrote: > My name is Charles; > I have asked a few questions in the past. But as of late I have just > been ''lurking''. > I want to make the 'move' to linux. The best way is to make a clean break. It can be a little frustrating at first, but after oyu build up some proficiency you will be fine. There is a learning curve. > But as a wise person once said, 'a man has got to know > his limitations',(Dirty Harry) Nothing some education cannot fix. > I need to download a distro/program system that is not too > complicated, still > has more 'point&clic' than not, and that meshes with my two primary > ''uses'', word, excel. Your two primary uses are word processing and spreadsheet. There are several to choose from. Open Office is probably the one with the largest number of users. When you hear people arguing about which word processor, or spreadsheet, is the best--you know not to listen to anything they have to say about computers. 99% (a number I pulled out of the air--but probably close) of the people that have these "learned" discussions are really saying, "This is the one I am the most familiar with." > And then for entertainment > but not as important, a need for a distro that will work with my older > nikon 4300. And last, if possible will play (later record) DVD's. DVDs someone can help you with at an installfest. People use different players--I am partial to ogle. As far as the camera; that is an issue with something like gphoto (go to www.gphoto.org). Yes, your camera is listed as being supported, but only in PTP mode. But, that does not really matter. I have several digital cameras--I just pull the memory card out stick it in a reader and use regular UNIX commands. You do not have to keep track of extra cables. > As stated I've been lurking, and as a qualifier of my position of > 'learning', I'm on the bottom, I know this because I read the > questions "posted here" and they give me a headache : ) No > doubt sometime in the future I will 'grow out of this hole' but I have > to stop digging first (windows). > Maybe a consideration that will best work for me would be both > systems, on the same computer???????........... I know 'outthere' > others have traveled 'this trail', I just need some direction that > will match my requirements. > I am not opposed to buying a distro/system, after all, that is what > I have been doing all this time. (with said/sad results) > thanks in advance. cl."73" I have been using SuSE for a little over a year now. Yast is a very good tool. It allows you to painlessly configure the kernel, install Nvidia drivers, ... If a need to do stuff by hand arises--you can still do that. I high recommend SuSE 9.3. Good luck > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From mester at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 4 20:55:44 2005 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Mon Jul 4 19:32:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl In-Reply-To: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> References: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> Message-ID: <20050704195544.326243fe@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:13:48 -0500 Chuck Lorentson wrote: > My name is Charles; > I have asked a few questions in the past. But as of late I have just > been ''lurking''. > I want to make the 'move' to linux. Make a visit to http://distrowatch.com/ You can find info about different distos here. I would also have to agree to trying out a LiveCD. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Jul 4 23:50:15 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Mon Jul 4 22:26:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl In-Reply-To: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> References: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> Message-ID: <200507042250.15385.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> To aid you in your clean switch.. here's "Windows/Linux Equivalency Guide" that we had at one of our old XCSSA meetings back in 2001. It's old.. but the web pointers are mostly still good: http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2001-04-16.html Others also have more comprehensive Windows/Linux App Replacement Lists: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml Just print it out.. and circle the Linux apps on the right that you want.. and the guys at our next install fest can try to help you out. :) Tweeks From othniel at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 11:26:11 2005 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Tue Jul 5 10:02:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl In-Reply-To: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> References: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> Message-ID: <24b598f6050705082670d6e98a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chuck: Many people try to begin with "both Operating Systems on the same computer". This is called Dual Boot. May I suggest that this is not for the person starting out "on the bottom." Steve Kolars suggested a clean break. Since you are not opposed to buying a system, I would recommend keeping your existing problem child as it, and buying a separate system which will only run Linux. Your first task thereafter is to create a home network. You will need to learn how to transfer files between Windows and Linux so as to migrate away from Windows and give yourself time to learn how to use the Linux equivalents mentioned by Tom Weeks. You can pick up a complete system at the computer show this coming weekend for between $200-$500. Next you will want to setup VNC. This will allow you to operate both computers from the Linux keyboard and Mouse. There are many things more to learn but with these foundational techniques under your belt you'll be able to tackle everything else. And welcome to SATLUG. I hope to meet you in person at the July meeting. Othniel Graichen SATLUG President On 7/4/05, Chuck Lorentson wrote: > My name is Charles; > I have asked a few questions in the past. But as of late I have just > been ''lurking''. > I want to make the 'move' to linux. But as a wise person once said, 'a > man has got to know > his limitations',(Dirty Harry) I need to download a distro/program > system that is not too complicated, still > has more 'point&clic' than not, and that meshes with my two primary > ''uses'', word, excel. And then for entertainment > but not as important, a need for a distro that will work with my older > nikon 4300. And last, if possible will play (later record) DVD's. > As stated I've been lurking, and as a qualifier of my position of > 'learning', I'm on the bottom, I know this because I read the questions > "posted here" and they give me a headache : ) No doubt sometime > in the future I will 'grow out of this hole' but I have to stop digging > first (windows). > Maybe a consideration that will best work for me would be both > systems, on the same computer???????........... I know 'outthere' others > have traveled 'this trail', I just need some direction that will match > my requirements. > I am not opposed to buying a distro/system, after all, that is what I > have been doing all this time. (with said/sad results) > thanks in advance. cl."73" > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jul 5 09:33:51 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jul 5 10:10:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl In-Reply-To: <24b598f6050705082670d6e98a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050705153352.74156.qmail@web54305.mail.yahoo.com> I'll throw in another vote for SuSE. I'm running 9.2. However I suggest the dual boot option if you do not want to spend money on building another PC (even though they are cheap if you build it yourself..heck, buy the parts and I'll put it together!). At any rate I'm sure if you bring your PC to the next meeting, that the dual boot option/linux install can be completed. Be patient, Linux can be overwhelming but once you use it you'll love it. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From roypittman at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 5 13:18:36 2005 From: roypittman at sbcglobal.net (Roy Pittman) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:55:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Which flavor of linux? In-Reply-To: <200507051510.j65FAdb12208@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200507051510.j65FAdb12208@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <42CAC0EC.5010603@sbcglobal.net> > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:13:48 -0500 > From: Chuck Lorentson > Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > My name is Charles; > I have asked a few questions in the past. But as of late I have just > been ''lurking''. > I want to make the 'move' to linux. Hi Chuck - I'm a day late but here's my two cents... I was where you were a few years ago. I now use windows for two old applications only! Makes me feel good to say that. About your specifics: Have you ever used removable hard drive bays? I use CRU dataports in my workstation, with a different operating system in each cassette. Dual booting can get messy and hard drives are cheap. Best would be to have a data drive that stays in the tower and a removable drive for your OS. That way you can get at files with either OS. I do this another way as I will explain. Does your camera use compact flash cards or similar? I use them with a Sandisk read/writer with both Linux and windows. This works for pictures and also functions as that second data drive - it's limited in size but allows me to pass files back and forth neatly. As for which flavor of Linux, I have recently started using Fedora Core 4 with the KDE desktop. I recommend it. I can burn you a set of discs if you want. They are getting VERY close to a windows replacement; people that want an autopilot OS and don't want to work with the computer, just use it, will like Fedora Core 4. It comes with the latest Open Office suite and much more, including all the underying unix stuff for those who want to actually learn about their computer. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion. If you get an extra drive you can try as many flavors of Linux as you want. I have run 4 of them in the past month just to check them out. I have a small drive in a CRU cassette that is dedicated to this use. Welcome to the world of Linux! Soon you can say "No, I don't use Billware anymore!" Roy From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jul 5 16:27:10 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:02:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Attn Tom Weeks Message-ID: <1120595230.19626.2.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> Hey Tom - Can you please ping me off-list when you get this? -- Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT 512-241-0774 (office) 512-924-8592 (cell) From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 02:32:40 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Jul 6 01:09:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Nulog Message-ID: <8ee65edd05070523323c7eef18@mail.gmail.com> Is there anyone on the list using ulogd along with Nulog to log firewall entries to a MySQL database then display them? I've downloaded Nulog and installed it, but it seems to be trying to access a table called conntrack_ulog that doesn't seem to be created anywhere that I can see. Just wondering if anyone else is using it. Ed From cjs226 at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 15:45:26 2005 From: cjs226 at gmail.com (Clif Smith) Date: Wed Jul 6 14:21:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE SP Question Message-ID: <1ea252fb05070612451d69ecdc@mail.gmail.com> I have a SuSE Enterprise Server v9 server that I *think* I applied SP1 to, but can't verify. I was assuming /etc/SuSE-release would be updated, but it still has: SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 (i586) VERSION = 9 Does SuSE have any way to see if it's running SP1 or am I limited to looking at rpm versions? cjs From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 19:01:33 2005 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Wed Jul 6 19:38:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 4 Message-ID: <20050707010134.57727.qmail@web50107.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone installed Fedora Core 4 yet? I'm getting ready to install it on two P3's (a laptop and a desktop). I may also install it on my nephews P2. My 4 year old nephew is using Fedora 3 on the Pentium II I keep rebuilding for him. He has some games he misses so, I am going to either dual boot with Windows Me/Fedora 4 or install WINE. I have no experience with WINE. Does the group think this would be a better idea than dual booting? My nephew really misses Tarzan :( Mary From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Jul 7 04:34:11 2005 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Thu Jul 7 03:10:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 4 In-Reply-To: <20050707010134.57727.qmail@web50107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050707010134.57727.qmail@web50107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42CCE903.7080307@futuretechsolutions.com> I would first give a shot at running the games under WINE. If dual booting does become necessary, then I would definately go for a version of that other OS that wasn't contrived by a bunch of clueless marketing people that thought the word "Millenium" in the name of the OS would boost sales dramatically because everyone else in the world was adding that word to their products as well. I wasn't fond of that one even when I was still in the land of the cowed. Gee, I guess I can create run-on sentences. :) Mary Yatti wrote: >Has anyone installed Fedora Core 4 yet? I'm getting >ready to install it on two P3's (a laptop and a >desktop). I may also install it on my nephews P2. > >My 4 year old nephew is using Fedora 3 on the Pentium >II I keep rebuilding for him. He has some games he >misses so, I am going to either dual boot with Windows >Me/Fedora 4 or install WINE. > >I have no experience with WINE. Does the group think >this would be a better idea than dual booting? My >nephew really misses Tarzan :( > >Mary >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From cjs226 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 08:55:04 2005 From: cjs226 at gmail.com (Clif Smith) Date: Thu Jul 7 07:31:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SuSE SP Question In-Reply-To: <1ea252fb05070612451d69ecdc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ea252fb05070612451d69ecdc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ea252fb050707055533629e3a@mail.gmail.com> Someone on the SuSE list was able to help me out. You can use SPident, per the manpage: This program will query the rpm database and match each installed package against all known Service Packs/Products. The newest SP, which is not violated by any out-of-date package is elected as "installed". If an optional file is given, this is used as sample-data instead of the actually installed packages (according to "rpm"'s database). The filename is expected to conform to arch.description. cjs On 7/6/05, Clif Smith wrote: > > I have a SuSE Enterprise Server v9 server that I *think* I applied SP1 to, > but can't verify. I was assuming /etc/SuSE-release would be updated, but it > still has: > SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 (i586) > VERSION = 9 > > Does SuSE have any way to see if it's running SP1 or am I limited to > looking at rpm versions? > > cjs > From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Jul 7 20:16:55 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jul 7 18:53:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show This Weekend Message-ID: SATLUG will be at the computer show in Live Oak this weekend. If you didn't get the email from Stance, follow the link in the corner at www.satlug.org for a $1 off discount coupon good for both days admission. Wear your SATLUG shirt and let people know you have better things to do than maintain your operating system. See you at the show! --Don From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Fri Jul 8 07:35:50 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Fri Jul 8 06:12:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] CNET Recommends Linux for Firewalls to Windows Users Message-ID: I get a routine SPAM mail from CNET and the headline of "Convert your old computer into a Firewall" caught my eye. I looked at the article and thought it interesting that this windows-centric website refers everyone to Linux websites http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-6122-0.html?forumID=44 &threadID=112994&messageID=1283389 Roy From mark at mccoyfam.net Fri Jul 8 14:09:46 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Fri Jul 8 12:45:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show This Weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42CEC16A.3000909@mccoyfam.net> Don Wright wrote: >SATLUG will be at the computer show in Live Oak this weekend. If you >didn't get the email from Stance, follow the link in the corner at >www.satlug.org for a $1 off discount coupon good for both days >admission. > >Wear your SATLUG shirt and let people know you have better things to >do than maintain your operating system. > >See you at the show! --Don > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > I could drop off some Ubuntu CD's if anyone wants them. I got my free shipment from shipit.ubuntulinux.org recently. From mark at mccoyfam.net Fri Jul 8 14:16:10 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Fri Jul 8 12:52:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Which flavor of linux? In-Reply-To: <42CAC0EC.5010603@sbcglobal.net> References: <200507051510.j65FAdb12208@alamo.satlug.org> <42CAC0EC.5010603@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <42CEC2EA.9030102@mccoyfam.net> Roy Pittman wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:13:48 -0500 >> From: Chuck Lorentson >> Subject: [SATLUG] Which linux for me?, several questions.cl >> To: satlug@satlug.org >> Message-ID: <42C97C5C.3030804@devtex.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My name is Charles; >> I have asked a few questions in the past. But as of late I have >> just been ''lurking''. >> I want to make the 'move' to linux. > > > > Hi Chuck - > > I'm a day late but here's my two cents... > > I was where you were a few years ago. I now use windows for two old > applications only! Makes me feel good to say that. About your > specifics: > > Have you ever used removable hard drive bays? I use CRU dataports in > my workstation, with a different operating system in each cassette. > Dual booting can get messy and hard drives are cheap. Best would be > to have a data drive that stays in the tower and a removable drive for > your OS. That way you can get at files with either OS. I do this > another way as I will explain. > > Does your camera use compact flash cards or similar? I use them with > a Sandisk read/writer with both Linux and windows. This works for > pictures and also functions as that second data drive - it's limited > in size but allows me to pass files back and forth neatly. > > As for which flavor of Linux, I have recently started using Fedora > Core 4 with the KDE desktop. I recommend it. I can burn you a set of > discs if you want. They are getting VERY close to a windows > replacement; people that want an autopilot OS and don't want to work > with the computer, just use it, will like Fedora Core 4. It comes > with the latest Open Office suite and much more, including all the > underying unix stuff for those who want to actually learn about their > computer. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion. > > If you get an extra drive you can try as many flavors of Linux as you > want. I have run 4 of them in the past month just to check them out. > I have a small drive in a CRU cassette that is dedicated to this use. > > Welcome to the world of Linux! Soon you can say "No, I don't use > Billware anymore!" > > Roy > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Another good balance between a User-centric "desktop OS" with underlying power is Ubuntu. I installed it for my mom and 14-year-old son and they love it. I tried Fedora, which is very similar in terms of default install, but I absolutely hated yum. apt-get is where it's at! (I use arch for my desktop, laptop, and server, but I am going to test foresight this weekend) From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 15:01:09 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Fri Jul 8 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Greetings Message-ID: <274542e174f55289b933adc85baff3ee@gmail.com> Hello all. I just noticed on your website that you guys are going to be at the Computer Blast this weekend helping people install linux. Well, I just happen to have a stubborn Dell Poweredge 1400sc that I am having some difficulty getting linux loaded on. Well, it isn't linux that is the problem, it is the embedded Adaptec AIC-7899 that is giving me fits. I am trying to get either Suse 9.3 Professional or Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary on it to do some work. Honestly, I would prefer Ubuntu (because of Gnome), but as long as I can get the wretched aic7xxx driver loaded properly, I don't don't care which works. I have tried a couple of different boot argument combinations and I can get the closest to booting using Ubuntu is with "acpi=off noapic nolapic aic7xxx=no_reset,no_probe" but it hangs just after the SCSI system loads. Can anyone help me at the Computer Blast? I would really appreciate some insight on this. Nathan Turnage Production Artist / Web Designer Anderson Marketing Group 210.223.6233 main 210.230.6771 direct From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Jul 8 15:23:18 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Jul 8 13:59:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Greetings In-Reply-To: <274542e174f55289b933adc85baff3ee@gmail.com> "from Nathan Turnage at Jul 8, 2005 02:01:09 pm" Message-ID: <20050708192318.264BADBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Nathan Turnage wrote: > (...) > Well, it isn't linux that is > the problem, it is the embedded Adaptec AIC-7899 that is giving me > fits. I am trying to get either Suse 9.3 Professional or Ubuntu 5.04 > Hoary on it to do some work. Honestly, I would prefer Ubuntu (because > of Gnome), but as long as I can get the wretched aic7xxx driver loaded > properly, I don't don't care which works. I probably won't make the ComputerBlast show: haven't made very many of 'em, to be truthful. If you're still having problems after the show, gimme a holler and we might be able to work this off-line. My primary system here at home is SCSI-based and uses the aic7xxx driver. It's basically Slackware 10 with a 2.6.12 kernel. Can't speak to the functionality of the aic7xxx driver in recent kernels when built as a module: I seldom use the driver other than built-in. However, I *do* have a Dell laptop with an Adaptec cardbus adapter that makes occasional use of an aic7xxx module :-). Just as a suggestion, you might try a back-rev distribution just to get up and running, then upgrade whatever needs upgrading to support whatever bleeding-edge hardware is in your system. As a rule, if the CD/DVD will boot and it correctly detects your adapter, you *should* be golden. SuSE and RedHat (not Fedora Core) have both been good choices in the past. Fedora's a bit more finicky in my experience. Mandrake (now Mandriva) used to be *the* distribution for decent laptop support many years ago: I'm still using it on some systems, but probably won't go to that well again when the time comes. Slackware just works: historically not much sizzle with your steak, but might be worth trying as a sanity check. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Jul 8 15:32:33 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Jul 8 14:09:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Greetings In-Reply-To: <274542e174f55289b933adc85baff3ee@gmail.com> References: <274542e174f55289b933adc85baff3ee@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42CED4D1.2020509@cis.sac.accd.edu> Nathan Turnage wrote: > Hello all. I just noticed on your website that you guys are going to > be at the Computer Blast this weekend helping people install linux. > Well, I just happen to have a stubborn Dell Poweredge 1400sc that I am > having some difficulty getting linux loaded on. Well, it isn't linux > that is the problem, it is the embedded Adaptec AIC-7899 that is > giving me fits. I am trying to get either Suse 9.3 Professional or > Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary on it to do some work. Honestly, I would prefer > Ubuntu (because of Gnome) ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?What does Gnome have to do with which distro you use? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > , but as long as I can get the wretched aic7xxx driver loaded > properly, I don't don't care which works. > > I have tried a couple of different boot argument combinations and I > can get the closest to booting using Ubuntu is with "acpi=off noapic > nolapic aic7xxx=no_reset,no_probe" but it hangs just after the SCSI > system loads. > > Can anyone help me at the Computer Blast? I would really appreciate > some insight on this. > > > Nathan Turnage > Production Artist / Web Designer > Anderson Marketing Group > 210.223.6233 main > 210.230.6771 direct > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jul 8 19:07:37 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Jul 8 17:49:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show This Weekend In-Reply-To: <42CEC16A.3000909@mccoyfam.net> References: <42CEC16A.3000909@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: >I could drop off some Ubuntu CD's if anyone wants them. One of the boxes I plan to bring has Ubuntu 5.4, so that would fit well. We generally sell CDs for a nominal donation. We can finalize arrangements at the show. --Don From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 21:16:17 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage) Date: Fri Jul 8 19:52:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Greetings In-Reply-To: <42CED4D1.2020509@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <274542e174f55289b933adc85baff3ee@gmail.com> <42CED4D1.2020509@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: On 7/8/05, steve kolars wrote: > ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > ?What does Gnome have to do with which distro you use? > ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Not much really, except that I would prefer to use a distro that defaults to Gnome as opposed to KDE. Personally, I like Suse, but I haven't got a clue how to get Gnome running. Besides it seems that Gnome support was more of an afterthought for Suse, and Novell charge for it as well. Ubuntu is free as in beer, free as in freedom, and I think Mark Shuttleworth is a helluva guy for making it happen. So I want to try and stick with that distro. If you hadn't guessed I am not exactly a L33t linux hacker, just trying to breath new life into an old Dell server that I would like to use for web design. I am predominently a MacOSX guy, and am looking for a way to do my web work without spending $$$$ for Dreamweaver and Photoshop. Bluefish and GIMP look mighty tasty. Also, I want to say thanks to Bob Tracy for your suggestions. I might download an old copy of Suse and just upgrade it with my 9.3 disc. It won't help me get to Ubuntu, but it is worth a shot to see if it works. Thanks for the info guys. I am going to try and make it to the next LUG meeting. I hope to see you there. Cheers, Nate From scs at wireweb.net Fri Jul 8 22:31:59 2005 From: scs at wireweb.net (scs@wireweb.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 21:09:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Computer Show Message-ID: What coin of the realm do they take at the computer show (cash only ~ plastic ~ checks) ? Hope to make the show this weekend, it will be my first one (virgin outing), so want to be prepared, am looking for a resonable 15" or 17" LCD Monitor. TIA. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 20:39:14 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Jul 8 21:15:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Computer Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050709023914.77891.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> cash. its not really a show... its basically alot of vendors (used/new) selling stuff. --- "scs@wireweb.net" wrote: > What coin of the realm do they take at the computer > show (cash only ~ plastic ~ checks) ? > > Hope to make the show this weekend, it will be my > first one (virgin outing), so want to be prepared, > am looking for a resonable 15" or 17" LCD Monitor. > > TIA. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions ? no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Jul 9 00:19:30 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:55:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20050709023914.77891.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050709023914.77891.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:39:14 -0700 (PDT), Alex Bartonek wrote: >cash. its not really a show... its basically alot of >vendors (used/new) selling stuff. While cash is always liked best, many of the vendors are set up for credit cards and some accept checks. --Don From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 23:15:03 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Jul 8 23:51:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Computer Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050709051503.7799.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> aaah I thought you meant entry fee. --- Don Wright wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:39:14 -0700 (PDT), Alex > Bartonek > wrote: > > >cash. its not really a show... its basically alot > of > >vendors (used/new) selling stuff. > > While cash is always liked best, many of the vendors > are set up for > credit cards and some accept checks. --Don > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Jul 9 01:55:11 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sat Jul 9 00:31:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20050709051503.7799.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050709051503.7799.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:15:03 -0700 (PDT), Alex Bartonek wrote: >aaah I thought you meant entry fee. Oh, I forgot about that. You're right, cash is pretty much the exclusive medium for entrance to the wonders within. (As in, I wonder what the heck that is.) From agrayfox at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 00:44:03 2005 From: agrayfox at gmail.com (augie) Date: Sat Jul 9 01:20:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Partition question Message-ID: <1331203c05070823446eddec31@mail.gmail.com> Hi Luggers, I recently installed CentOS 405 on a boxen that I'm setting up as a file server, and during the partitioning segment I created a 20 gig partition as free space but it doesn't show up anywhere. I'm hoping to format it as vfat so that I can dd from another hd with xp installed on that, so that I can have a dual boot. Is this possible or should I dd to a blank hd and then install linux? Will xp even work from this setup? TIA -- augie agrayfox at gmail dot com From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sat Jul 9 09:01:05 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Sat Jul 9 07:37:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Partition question In-Reply-To: <1331203c05070823446eddec31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Free space" will not show up unless the partition has been formatted in some way unless you are using a partitioning software package (i.e. format, partition magic etc.). My guess is that when you established the "free space" it did exactly that...it left the partition "free" without any kind of formatting. Try formatting the free space as a FAT partition and then it should be seeable by both Linux and XP then install XP. Alternately, you could boot from a XP disk, then install to the free space and you can tell it to use the free partition and then it will format the area. As for setting up Grub/Lilo to start the dual boot - the other experts here can help you with that, but yes - it should work. Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of augie Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:44 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Partition question Hi Luggers, I recently installed CentOS 405 on a boxen that I'm setting up as a file server, and during the partitioning segment I created a 20 gig partition as free space but it doesn't show up anywhere. I'm hoping to format it as vfat so that I can dd from another hd with xp installed on that, so that I can have a dual boot. Is this possible or should I dd to a blank hd and then install linux? Will xp even work from this setup? TIA -- augie agrayfox at gmail dot com _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jul 9 10:09:47 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 9 08:45:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 4 In-Reply-To: <20050707010134.57727.qmail@web50107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050707010134.57727.qmail@web50107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200507090909.48067.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 20:01, Mary Yatti wrote: > I have no experience with WINE. Does the group think > this would be a better idea than dual booting? My > nephew really misses Tarzan :( It really depends on what you want to do. But for games, there is actually a special version of Wine called Cedega... a special version of wine tweaked out just for Games: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=cedega http://www.transgaming.com/ Hope that helps.. Tweeks From mark at mccoyfam.net Sat Jul 9 20:08:29 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Sat Jul 9 18:44:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] any RHCE's out there? Message-ID: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> I am thinking about signing up for the August 26th RHCE exam in dallas, and I was wondering what tips any current RHCE's might have for me. I have been a Linux geek for about ten years now, and I have used almost all forms of Linux out there. I was redhat all the way for a couple of years around 1997-2000, and I mess around with their desktop versions every couple of years or so, but I have been a debian/gentoo/arch kind of guy for a while. I know that "linux is linux", but I am wondering if there are any RHEL-specific "gotchas" that might mess me up. I purchased a study-guide type book today, and I am downloading CentOS 4.1 (a RHEL workalike compiled from the publicly available sources from redhat). Are there any proprietary bits that are included with RHEL (and hence not in CentOS) that are covered in the RHCE exam? I hope that adding a some letters after my name will encourage potential employers, since they haven't been burning up my INBOX since I left the Army ;) I guess that four year break between computer jobs might be caring them off! From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Jul 9 21:34:28 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Sat Jul 9 20:10:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Greetings In-Reply-To: References: <274542e174f55289b933adc85baff3ee@gmail.com> <42CED4D1.2020509@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <42D07B24.8090403@cis.sac.accd.edu> Nate Turnage wrote: >On 7/8/05, steve kolars wrote: > >>????????????????????????????????????????????????????? >>?What does Gnome have to do with which distro you use? >>????????????????????????????????????????????????????? >> > >Not much really, except that I would prefer to use a distro that >defaults to Gnome as opposed to KDE. Personally, I like Suse, but I >haven't got a clue how to get Gnome running. Ah, try this: Create the file .xinitrc in your home directory. Mine looks like this: startkde #exec gnome-session #exec fluxbox I normally use kde, so startkde is uncommented. Sometimes I want to play with gnome or fluxbox. I just comment startkde and uncomment the one I want to use. When you enter startx the desktop of your choice will come up. Oh yes, make sure your system comes up in run level 3--which I suggest you should always do. Stay with 9.3 and do not mess with older systems. If you need any other help just yell. Steve From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jul 10 00:03:25 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 9 22:39:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Nulog In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd05070523323c7eef18@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd05070523323c7eef18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200507092303.25719.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 01:32, Ed Coates wrote: > Is there anyone on the list using ulogd along with Nulog to log > firewall entries to a MySQL database then display them? Not me.. but I have a cohort at Rackspace who has had his firewall running regular syslog into MySQL. But I think that was a totally custom table he did for himself.. Just a DIY setup... Nothing really "standard". > I've > downloaded Nulog and installed it, but it seems to be trying to access > a table called conntrack_ulog that doesn't seem to be created anywhere > that I can see. Just wondering if anyone else is using it. Have you just tried creating the table? Do you know what schema it's expecting? Have you consulted google on the expected schema? My first google hit + string searching reveals: "The Nulog 1.1.0 release has a bug. The mysql dumpfile does not contain the conntrack_ulog table. This has been reported to the nulog email account." Reference from the netfilter mail list here: http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2005-July.txt Looks like you need to rebuild your database from a non buggy ulogd.mysqldump sql input file. Maybe you can get a good one from v 1.0.2. http://www.inl.fr/article.php3?id_article=36 Tweeks > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From agrayfox at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:04:47 2005 From: agrayfox at gmail.com (augie) Date: Sat Jul 9 22:41:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] stupid question Message-ID: <1331203c05070921045af8b4a@mail.gmail.com> If I use this command: DD IF=hdb OF=hda does that mean that the data from hdb is copied to hda or is it vice versa. Sorry for this but the heats been getting to me lately. -- augie agrayfox at gmail dot com From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jul 10 01:14:35 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 9 23:50:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] any RHCE's out there? In-Reply-To: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> References: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: <200507100014.36151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 09 July 2005 19:08, Mark D. McCoy wrote: > I am thinking about signing up for the August 26th RHCE exam in dallas, > and I was wondering what tips any current RHCE's might have for me. Uhh oh.. you've just opened up a can of worms.. prepare for a 1 hour diatribe on the RHCE by tweeks.. hehe.. First, are you taking the full 1 week RH300 class plus the 5.5 hour RH302/RHCE exam ($2500)? Or JUST the RH302 exam($700)? You know that they are also offered in Austin at MicroTek right? (great catered food and break time cookies! hehe) > I have been a Linux geek for about ten years now, and I have used almost > all forms of Linux out there. Good.. Experience the the best first step towards the RHCE. Any sys-admin/professional experience.. or all hobby based? > I was redhat all the way for a couple of > years around 1997-2000, and I mess around with their desktop versions > every couple of years or so, but I have been a debian/gentoo/arch kind > of guy for a while. I know that "linux is linux", but I am wondering if > there are any RHEL-specific "gotchas" that might mess me up. You will need to study the material for their current flagship OS.. which currently is RHEL4. Very similar to Fedora Core 3, but not identical (e.g. MySQL4.1 instead of 3.23, couple other small things). Not talking to the exam itself, but just to the EL4 OS: Just knowing "Linux" is not good enough on EL4. You need to know the "Red Hat-isms" of ELx. For example.. The config files in /etc/sysconfig. The RPM system. Using chkconfig instead of home brew Sys-V symlinks. Mounting using ext2/3 labels (instead of device files), /etc/sysconfig/iptables file structure, system-config-* commands (for daemon and system configs, which ones are good.. which ones suck, etc), running bind chroot'd (default in EL4), Using the boot.iso and "Rescue mode", etc.. These are all things that are a part of EL4 that you may or may not see in other distros. > I > purchased a study-guide type book today, and I am downloading CentOS 4.1 > (a RHEL workalike compiled from the publicly available sources from > redhat). Cool.. Which book? The only half way decent book (most current I've found) is Jang's RHCE book here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072253657/ Even it kind of sucks (quality wise). However it DOES cover all of the required information for RH-Elx. While it is written for EL3, 80% of it is accurate. The biggest things that it misses (or is just flat wrong on) for RH-EL4 are: -Software RAID (totally different in EL4) -seLinux (and it's affects on daemons and system file security) -Dovecot IMAP(S)/POP3(S) -File ACLs -Squid Weak areas are in PAM, quotas, apace host based security.. Hmm.. I would have to look back at my notes for more in depth pros/cons. But again.. it's the only one out there that I've found that's fairly current and hasn't just given up on the RHCE study guide idea. > Are there any proprietary bits that are included with RHEL > (and hence not in CentOS) that are covered in the RHCE exam? I can't talk about the exam specifically other than what's here: https://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/examprep.html If you take the RH300, you'll get everything you need (assuming you're already up to speed on at least 60% of the OS and you're just getting to touch a few weird things that many people don't play with every day (e.g. apache, sendmail, NFS, security, etc)). If you want to get an idea of your weak areas and if you're ready to jump into the RH300, do a quick self check quiz here: https://www.redhat.com/apps/training/assess/ (I have to sign up of course..;) > I hope that adding a some letters after my name will encourage potential > employers, since they haven't been burning up my INBOX since I left the > Army ;) I always look at experience first... college education second.. and certs last. But HR staff and non-tech management seem to treat certs with too much importance. To me, an experience (hands on) cert on an already good solid candidate just shows me that he's got a well rounded experience set. It's like a little bit of new-hire insurance. Not a means to an end. But would I hire someone with just a cert with and no real experience... Not so much... That being said tho, I think most people agree, the RHCE is one of the most respected OS Cert exams out there. I mean if MCSE's had to take a 5.5 hour 100% performance based break-fix and install/config exam.. let's just say there would be a hell of a lot less of them out there.. ;) Take the RH self-assessment quiz above to see where your weak areas are, get yourself Jang's RHCE book on EL3 and work through the entire book with your EL4/FC3/CentOS install at hand. Making corrections/updates in the book as you go, and doing all of the problems and labs, and you'll be fine. If you don't have a lot of experience with real server admin type network services, daemons, and security.. then don't forget to focus on those aspects of EL4 too. The book also comes with two example exams to run yourself though, although it helps to have a partner who can break your box for you. I have some of my own boot-break-fix scripts that I can launch against your machine if you want.. Come to the next XCSSA meeting and bring a "break-me laptop" with you and I'll launch my scripts against it and you can practice while we all eat pizza and laugh it up.. ;) hehe Also. You might want to check out an older, but interesting, RHCE study site: http://rhce2b.com/ Not as useful as it used to be.. but I always liked going theouth their multiple choice probs: http://www.rhce2b.com/test.shtml (even though there is no multiple choice on the RHCE exam any longer, as publicly advertised in the RH examprep link further back). Good luck man.. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jul 10 01:21:05 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 9 23:57:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: <1331203c05070921045af8b4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1331203c05070921045af8b4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200507100021.06206.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 09 July 2005 23:04, augie wrote: > If I use this command: DD IF=hdb OF=hda > does that mean that the data from hdb is copied to hda or is it vice versa. > Sorry for this but the heats been getting to me lately. First.. turn off caps lock.. ;) Second.. if means input.. of means output. So you would be copying hdb TO hda. Since I imagine you're trying to copy a hard drive.. this is what the usage would be: # dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda You might also want to append a "bs=64M" to the end also to help speed things up a bit. If course this MUST be done "off line" or at the very least in single user mode (even then there are probs). Additionally.. you might want to look into using cat instead of dd. Because of extremely fast/Processor-less UDMA I/O, it's around an order of magnitude faster than using dd (which hit the proc for block size xlation). An example usage would be: # cat /dev/hdb /dev/hda Again..best done from a CD boot environment (e.g. OS boot disk or Knoppix) or the like. Also.. the source drive should be smaller than the destination drive or there will be other problems. Also.. make sure that you force LBA or CHS mode on both drives from the BIOS or kernel boot parameters. nite... Tweeks From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Jul 10 03:55:45 2005 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Jul 10 02:32:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: <1331203c05070921045af8b4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1331203c05070921045af8b4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42D0D481.6070703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> augie wrote: >If I use this command: DD IF=hdb OF=hda >does that mean that the data from hdb is copied to hda or is it vice versa. >Sorry for this but the heats been getting to me lately. > > IF = Input File OF = output File. -Regards, -Geoff From mark at mccoyfam.net Sun Jul 10 11:25:25 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Sun Jul 10 10:01:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] any RHCE's out there? In-Reply-To: <200507100014.36151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> <200507100014.36151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <42D13DE5.8070403@mccoyfam.net> Thanks for the good info! I see what you meant about the Redhat-ism's (EL-ism's!). I've used most of their config tools before. The only parts that I will have to work on very much are the RAID/LVM configs and the old bane sysadmins everywhere -- sendmail. I would have thought that with all of the other choices out there that Redhat would have replaced sendmail by now. >First, are you taking the full 1 week RH300 class plus the 5.5 hour RH302/RHCE >exam ($2500)? Or JUST the RH302 exam($700)? You know that they are also >offered in Austin at MicroTek right? (great catered food and break time >cookies! hehe) > > I am taking just the exam. I see no need to sit through 5 days of"refresher course" type stuff and spend twice as much. I can spend an hour or two a day working on my own. > Any >sys-admin/professional experience.. or all hobby based? > > > I do have actual work experience (about 4 1/2 years), then I joined the Army to do something completely different (11B Infantry, about as different as you can imagine). Now that the Army is out of my system, I'm free to go on and do what I want with my life. > The only half way decent book (most current I've found) is >Jang's RHCE book here: >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072253657/ > >Even it kind of sucks (quality wise). However it DOES cover all of the >required information for RH-Elx. While it is written for EL3, 80% of it is >accurate. The biggest things that it misses (or is just flat wrong on) for >RH-EL4 are: >-Software RAID (totally different in EL4) >-seLinux (and it's affects on daemons and system file security) >-Dovecot IMAP(S)/POP3(S) >-File ACLs >-Squid > >Weak areas are in PAM, quotas, apace host based security.. Hmm.. I would have >to look back at my notes for more in depth pros/cons. But again.. it's the >only one out there that I've found that's fairly current and hasn't just >given up on the RHCE study guide idea. > I did get the Michael Jang RHCE study guide (for RHEL3). I appreciate the tips of the differences between RHEL3 and 4. I am glad Jang mentions the "rebuilds" of RHEL available and about using Fedora to "simulate" RHEL. >Take the RH self-assessment quiz above to see where your weak areas are, get >yourself Jang's RHCE book on EL3 and work through the entire book with your >EL4/FC3/CentOS install at hand. > That's the plan! > I have >some of my own boot-break-fix scripts that I can launch against your machine >if you want.. Come to the next XCSSA meeting and bring a "break-me laptop" >with you and I'll launch my scripts against it and you can practice while we >all eat pizza and laugh it up.. ;) hehe > > > Sounds good. I would really appreciate the help! From rwegner at satx.rr.com Sun Jul 10 16:20:22 2005 From: rwegner at satx.rr.com (Richard Wegner) Date: Sun Jul 10 14:56:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] xine problem Message-ID: <42D18306.4050407@satx.rr.com> Hi there, I am now running Debian 3.1 Rel 0a from Mandrake 10.1. I recently downloaded the newest version of "xjig" and thought it would be an improvement from when I had it from Mandrake. Well, I went to run it, and I get this problem with the puzzle...Please look at the picture on the link and tell me is there a way to fix this? http://www.geocities.com/doctor_vell/xjig-problem.png Thanks! From rwegner at satx.rr.com Sun Jul 10 16:25:03 2005 From: rwegner at satx.rr.com (Richard Wegner) Date: Sun Jul 10 15:01:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] xine problem In-Reply-To: <42D18306.4050407@satx.rr.com> References: <42D18306.4050407@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <42D1841F.2040400@satx.rr.com> Richard Wegner wrote: > Hi there, > > I am now running Debian 3.1 Rel 0a from Mandrake 10.1. I recently > downloaded the newest version of "xjig" and thought it would be an > improvement from when I had it from Mandrake. > > Well, I went to run it, and I get this problem with the > puzzle...Please look at the picture on the link and tell me is there a > way to fix this? > > http://www.geocities.com/doctor_vell/xjig-problem.png > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > I meant to say xjig problem NOT xine problem From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Jul 10 16:49:30 2005 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Jul 10 15:25:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] xine problem In-Reply-To: <42D1841F.2040400@satx.rr.com> References: <42D18306.4050407@satx.rr.com> <42D1841F.2040400@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <42D189DA.5070806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Richard Wegner wrote: > Richard Wegner wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I am now running Debian 3.1 Rel 0a from Mandrake 10.1. I recently >> downloaded the newest version of "xjig" and thought it would be an >> improvement from when I had it from Mandrake. >> >> Well, I went to run it, and I get this problem with the >> puzzle...Please look at the picture on the link and tell me is there >> a way to fix this? >> >> http://www.geocities.com/doctor_vell/xjig-problem.png >> >> Thanks! >> > I meant to say xjig problem NOT xine problem can you invert, or 'mirror' the peices? I'm not familiar with the puzzle program, however... if you invert the upper right hand corner peice, it'll fit. Same with the gas tank and the right hand (with ring) -- -Geoff From pandemic at syn-recon.net Sun Jul 10 18:03:00 2005 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (syn) Date: Sun Jul 10 16:39:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] any RHCE's out there? In-Reply-To: <42D13DE5.8070403@mccoyfam.net> References: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> <200507100014.36151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <42D13DE5.8070403@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: <42D19B14.1020009@syn-recon.net> Mark D. McCoy wrote: > Thanks for the good info! > > > > I see what you meant about the Redhat-ism's (EL-ism's!). I've used most > of their config tools before. The only parts that I will have to work > on very much are the RAID/LVM configs ... A bit of advice on LVM , when you grow a partition grow it smaller, if you grow it too big and have to shrink it evil things can happen. Its not fun when that happens...at all...can't even describe how unfun it is lol Also, vmware comes in handy especially when it comes to practicing setting up nfs, samba, you can see up a good mini-lab. Plus i had my g/f randomly edit /etc/grub.conf and other fun files...thats good practice, had some error's i had never ever seen before lol. having vmware to simply roll the image back saves time too. florian From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jul 10 18:06:12 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jul 10 16:42:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] any RHCE's out there? In-Reply-To: <42D13DE5.8070403@mccoyfam.net> References: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> <200507100014.36151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <42D13DE5.8070403@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: <200507101706.12425.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 10 July 2005 10:25, Mark D. McCoy wrote: > Thanks for the good info! > > > > I see what you meant about the Redhat-ism's (EL-ism's!). I've used most > of their config tools before. The only parts that I will have to work > on very much are the RAID/LVM configs and the old bane sysadmins > everywhere -- sendmail. I would have thought that with all of the other > choices out there that Redhat would have replaced sendmail by now. Well.. If you do your install as a "mail server", you DO also get the alternatives system, as well as postfix. You switch between them now with the command "system-switch-mail". > I am taking just the exam. I see no need to sit through 5 days > of"refresher course" type stuff and spend twice as much. I can spend an > hour or two a day working on my own. Okay.. but you definitely want to get that book and look at some of the material. Otherwise you might be in for a surprise. > > Sounds good. I would really appreciate the help! Good luck Mark. Tweeks From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Mon Jul 11 14:55:17 2005 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Mon Jul 11 13:31:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: <200507100021.06206.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> (Tom Weeks's message of "Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:21:05 -0500") References: <1331203c05070921045af8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <200507100021.06206.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, Tom Weeks said: > Additionally.. you might want to look into using cat instead of dd. Because > of extremely fast/Processor-less UDMA I/O, it's around an order of magnitude > faster than using dd (which hit the proc for block size xlation). An example > usage would be: > # cat /dev/hdb /dev/hda You are missing your >. As is, that's just going to output both /dev/hdb and /dev/hda to your screen. usage would be: # cat /dev/hdb > /dev/hda -- Ted Rathkopf From afcasta at texas.net Tue Jul 12 07:49:46 2005 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Tue Jul 12 06:26:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] any RHCE's out there? In-Reply-To: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> References: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: <1121168986.3211.19.camel@shoebox.satx.rr.com> For practice, I'd recommend playing with Scientific Linux 4, based on RHEL 4, but recompiled to be all open sourced. I got mine from fermilab, but it's widely distributed. There've been a few changed with lvm and that might be a good place to start - RHEL doesn't use the md tools as default, but is using lvm, similar to the way Solaris has been doing since Solaris 9, but using open sourced tools in place of the old metadevice mdconf and such. Good luck with the exam. Al Castanoli On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 19:08 -0500, Mark D. McCoy wrote: > I am thinking about signing up for the August 26th RHCE exam in dallas, > and I was wondering what tips any current RHCE's might have for me. > > I have been a Linux geek for about ten years now, and I have used almost > all forms of Linux out there. I was redhat all the way for a couple of > years around 1997-2000, and I mess around with their desktop versions > every couple of years or so, but I have been a debian/gentoo/arch kind > of guy for a while. I know that "linux is linux", but I am wondering if > there are any RHEL-specific "gotchas" that might mess me up. I > purchased a study-guide type book today, and I am downloading CentOS 4.1 > (a RHEL workalike compiled from the publicly available source > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > s from > redhat). Are there any proprietary bits that are included with RHEL > (and hence not in CentOS) that are covered in the RHCE exam? > > I hope that adding a some letters after my name will encourage potential > employers, since they haven't been burning up my INBOX since I left the > Army ;) > > I guess that four year break between computer jobs might be caring them off! From satlug at pervy.custard.org Tue Jul 12 09:14:27 2005 From: satlug at pervy.custard.org (Cliff @ satlug) Date: Tue Jul 12 06:50:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] any RHCE's out there? In-Reply-To: <1121168986.3211.19.camel@shoebox.satx.rr.com> References: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> <1121168986.3211.19.camel@shoebox.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1121170468.4091.17.camel@cpe-024-162-252-177.nc.res.rr.com> On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 06:49 -0500, Al Castanoli wrote: > For practice, I'd recommend playing with Scientific Linux 4, based on > RHEL 4, but recompiled to be all open sourced. I'm sorry, but the "recompiled to be all open sourced" statement does not make sense. Since all of Red Hats source rpms for the Red Hat Enterprise Linux OS's for 2.1, 3 and 4 are freely available via ftp to anyone who wants to use them. Red Hat just restricts the access of binary rpms to those that have paid for their services, which include various support service plans. Cliff. From herrold at owlriver.com Tue Jul 12 12:48:22 2005 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Tue Jul 12 10:24:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: satlug] any RHCE's out there? In-Reply-To: <1121170468.4091.17.camel@cpe-024-162-252-177.nc.res.rr.com> References: <42D066FD.1000306@mccoyfam.net> <1121168986.3211.19.camel@shoebox.satx.rr.com> <1121170468.4091.17.camel@cpe-024-162-252-177.nc.res.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Cliff @ satlug wrote: > I'm sorry, but the "recompiled to be all open sourced" statement does > not make sense. Since all of Red Hats source rpms for the Red Hat > Enterprise Linux OS's for 2.1, 3 and 4 are freely available via ftp to Not so as to 'all', and certainly not so as to the environments they are compiled in. Several are non GPL, and there is no obligation for RH to describe build envirenment for those at all. - R From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Jul 12 12:39:59 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Jul 12 11:16:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Winblows refund / MICROSOFT THEFT!!! Message-ID: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> Hey guys, I've been in the market for a new laptop for a while now. My current one just takes too long to boot up and since I do start X most of the time (for Evolution & multiple command windows) -- I'm tired of waiting on it. Its been a great machine, but a P2-333 is just too slow. I've been looking at the machines available and their features. And I pretty much settled on a HP machine I thought has the features I wanted. I was not very concerned that HP doesn't have much information on running Linux on their laptops -- that's kinda the norm with most companies. But I have run into something of a brick wall on one topic -- paying them and Micro$shit for software I don't want and will never use. I've spoken to HP all the way up to the corporate office in California. One guy at their "Small Business" customer desk told me "HP has an agreement with MS that we will not sell a computer without an OS on it" and "since we only sell the Windows OS -- that kinda locks you into Winblows". He also told me that they will NOT refund the Windows software, even though the customer doesn't agree to the MS EULA and wipes the drive without ever booting to the installed OS. I've spoken to the corporate office and a guy there named Steve was very understanding when I explained the situation. He also thought it odd that they would not refund the OS to me if I don't want it and will never use it. He agreed last week to look into it further and get back to me. I spoke to him again a few minutes ago and its not looking good. He seems to be running into the same brick wall. I was wondering if anyone else had tried this recently or run into this same problem. I ***WILL NOT*** pay some company money to pass to MS for an operating system I'll never use. And even if I did want to install a Winblows version under VMWare (very likely) -- I own more MS licenses than most computer repair shops. So, why should I give my hard earned money to Bill for another? Lets get this subject started and brought out in the light! Its a RIP OFF! I'm also trying to reload a friend's Compaq machine right now. Since it was Win98, HP/Compaq won't sell me a replacement "RESTORE CD" -- they tell me to buy a newer version of Winblows. I tell them there is no need -- this guy still has the original registration paperwork and the MS COA sticker is still on the machine. But they want him to fork out for a new copy of Winblows even though this one is perfectly good. UNBELIEVABLE! What a racket!!! So, I guess the end question is -- has anyone ever been able to get a refund for their unused Winblows software? If so, what company? I'll gladly take my $$$ and very publicly support that company with my business. Or has anyone successfully talked a company into selling them a machine without an OS? Hell -- I just build my own computers, but you can't do that with a laptop!!! Thanks guys & gals. Chuck From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Jul 12 12:45:02 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Jul 12 11:21:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] AntiSPAM software Message-ID: <1121186703.13918.5952.camel@laptop> Hey SATLUG, At the last OpenSource Fest, I provided a number of CDs of "Roaring Penguin CanIt Anti-Spam Solution". The CDs were going to be distributed equally between the OpenSource Fest and the monthly SATLUG/XCSSA meetings. I'm just wondering how many people have received one of the CDs and tried the software. I'm in the process of building a new server (for myself) and was wondering how the software has worked out so far. I'm getting very sick of all the SPAM coming in and thought I might try this software on my new server. Thanks guys... Chuck From rct at gherkin.frus.com Tue Jul 12 13:38:12 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Tue Jul 12 12:14:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Winblows refund / MICROSOFT THEFT!!! In-Reply-To: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> "from Chuck at Jul 12, 2005 11:39:59 am" Message-ID: <20050712173812.596E8DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Chuck wrote: > (...) > So, I guess the end question is -- has anyone ever been able to get a > refund for their unused Winblows software? If so, what company? I'll > gladly take my $$$ and very publicly support that company with my > business. Or has anyone successfully talked a company into selling them > a machine without an OS? Hell -- I just build my own computers, but you > can't do that with a laptop!!! Check out http://mcelrath.org/laptops.html for a list of both no-OS and Linux-preinstalled vendors. The no-OS list does NOT include vendors that will pay the M$ tax and simply wipe the drive before delivery. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Jul 12 13:46:35 2005 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Tue Jul 12 12:22:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Winblows refund / MICROSOFT THEFT!!! In-Reply-To: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> References: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200507121246350320.00C73044@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Agree with you, but unfortunately nothing but voting with your feet (pointing device) and going elsewhere gets it done. Not only uSoft, but look at how Intel has kept AMD out of the major market by special at or near cost contracts to Dell, HP and others. A couple of alternatives are: 1. Ebay, sometimes I see refurb laptops whereby the seller has wiped the HD clean and is selling it w/out an O/S. 2. Buy new built to order from places like " avadirect.com " and get exactly what you want, and only what you need. About on the only thing that might right uSoft is a stout Oak tree and some good rope. From J at JVPappas.net Tue Jul 12 14:20:29 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jul 12 12:26:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Winblows refund / MICROSOFT THEFT!!! In-Reply-To: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> References: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1121192429.8435.87.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> I feel your pain. Here is a Linux Journal story on this topic: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7040. The other option is to buy from an OEM that does not have an MS agreement: http://www.emperorlinux.com/ Or see Bob's email pointing to http://mcelrath.org/laptops.html. John On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 11:39 -0500, Chuck wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've been in the market for a new laptop for a while now. My current > one just takes too long to boot up and since I do start X most of the > time (for Evolution & multiple command windows) -- I'm tired of waiting > on it. Its been a great machine, but a P2-333 is just too slow. > > I've been looking at the machines available and their features. And I > pretty much settled on a HP machine I thought has the features I > wanted. I was not very concerned that HP doesn't have much information > on running Linux on their laptops -- that's kinda the norm with most > companies. But I have run into something of a brick wall on one topic > -- paying them and Micro$shit for software I don't want and will never > use. > > I've spoken to HP all the way up to the corporate office in California. > One guy at their "Small Business" customer desk told me "HP has an > agreement with MS that we will not sell a computer without an OS on it" > and "since we only sell the Windows OS -- that kinda locks you into > Winblows". He also told me that they will NOT refund the Windows > software, even though the customer doesn't agree to the MS EULA and > wipes the drive without ever booting to the installed OS. > > I've spoken to the corporate office and a guy there named Steve was very > understanding when I explained the situation. He also thought it odd > that they would not refund the OS to me if I don't want it and will > never use it. He agreed last week to look into it further and get back > to me. I spoke to him again a few minutes ago and its not looking > good. He seems to be running into the same brick wall. > > I was wondering if anyone else had tried this recently or run into this > same problem. I ***WILL NOT*** pay some company money to pass to MS for > an operating system I'll never use. And even if I did want to install a > Winblows version under VMWare (very likely) -- I own more MS licenses > than most computer repair shops. So, why should I give my hard earned > money to Bill for another? > > Lets get this subject started and brought out in the light! Its a RIP > OFF! > > I'm also trying to reload a friend's Compaq machine right now. Since it > was Win98, HP/Compaq won't sell me a replacement "RESTORE CD" -- they > tell me to buy a newer version of Winblows. I tell them there is no > need -- this guy still has the original registration paperwork and the > MS COA sticker is still on the machine. But they want him to fork out > for a new copy of Winblows even though this one is perfectly good. > UNBELIEVABLE! What a racket!!! > > So, I guess the end question is -- has anyone ever been able to get a > refund for their unused Winblows software? If so, what company? I'll > gladly take my $$$ and very publicly support that company with my > business. Or has anyone successfully talked a company into selling them > a machine without an OS? Hell -- I just build my own computers, but you > can't do that with a laptop!!! > > Thanks guys & gals. > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From joshua_penrod at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 12:23:33 2005 From: joshua_penrod at yahoo.com (Joshua Penrod) Date: Tue Jul 12 12:59:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Winblows refund / MICROSOFT THEFT!!! In-Reply-To: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <20050712182334.18991.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Locally, ACS Computer Supply offers a couple of Acer Aspire AMD 64 laptops, but I'm not sure if they offer them without windows http://www.askacs.com. Josh Chuck wrote: Hey guys, I've been in the market for a new laptop for a while now. My current one just takes too long to boot up and since I do start X most of the time (for Evolution & multiple command windows) -- I'm tired of waiting on it. Its been a great machine, but a P2-333 is just too slow. I've been looking at the machines available and their features. And I pretty much settled on a HP machine I thought has the features I wanted. I was not very concerned that HP doesn't have much information on running Linux on their laptops -- that's kinda the norm with most companies. But I have run into something of a brick wall on one topic -- paying them and Micro$shit for software I don't want and will never use. I've spoken to HP all the way up to the corporate office in California. One guy at their "Small Business" customer desk told me "HP has an agreement with MS that we will not sell a computer without an OS on it" and "since we only sell the Windows OS -- that kinda locks you into Winblows". He also told me that they will NOT refund the Windows software, even though the customer doesn't agree to the MS EULA and wipes the drive without ever booting to the installed OS. I've spoken to the corporate office and a guy there named Steve was very understanding when I explained the situation. He also thought it odd that they would not refund the OS to me if I don't want it and will never use it. He agreed last week to look into it further and get back to me. I spoke to him again a few minutes ago and its not looking good. He seems to be running into the same brick wall. I was wondering if anyone else had tried this recently or run into this same problem. I ***WILL NOT*** pay some company money to pass to MS for an operating system I'll never use. And even if I did want to install a Winblows version under VMWare (very likely) -- I own more MS licenses than most computer repair shops. So, why should I give my hard earned money to Bill for another? Lets get this subject started and brought out in the light! Its a RIP OFF! I'm also trying to reload a friend's Compaq machine right now. Since it was Win98, HP/Compaq won't sell me a replacement "RESTORE CD" -- they tell me to buy a newer version of Winblows. I tell them there is no need -- this guy still has the original registration paperwork and the MS COA sticker is still on the machine. But they want him to fork out for a new copy of Winblows even though this one is perfectly good. UNBELIEVABLE! What a racket!!! So, I guess the end question is -- has anyone ever been able to get a refund for their unused Winblows software? If so, what company? I'll gladly take my $$$ and very publicly support that company with my business. Or has anyone successfully talked a company into selling them a machine without an OS? Hell -- I just build my own computers, but you can't do that with a laptop!!! Thanks guys & gals. Chuck _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. From mdfilio at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 14:36:27 2005 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Tue Jul 12 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Winblows refund / MICROSOFT THEFT!!! In-Reply-To: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> References: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> Message-ID: > I'm also trying to reload a friend's Compaq machine right now. Since it > was Win98, HP/Compaq won't sell me a replacement "RESTORE CD" -- they > tell me to buy a newer version of Winblows. I tell them there is no > need -- this guy still has the original registration paperwork and the > MS COA sticker is still on the machine. But they want him to fork out > for a new copy of Winblows even though this one is perfectly good. > UNBELIEVABLE! What a racket!!! I was able to order a Compaq Restore CD for a computer I was working on as a favor through HP's website. I don't remember the exact process, but all I had to do was enter in the PC's serial number and it picked the correct CD for me. It did cost about $35 though, but I think that was because I had it FedEx'd over night. I'm sure you can dig through the site and find it, and if you can't I'll be happy to try. From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Tue Jul 12 14:54:08 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Tue Jul 12 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Kernel Presentation at next meeting Message-ID: <42D411D0.1050508@cis.sac.accd.edu> Wednesday evening Mike Roberts, from Rackspace, will be giving a presentation on configuring and compiling the 2.6 kernel. This is a presentation that you do not want to miss. The meeting will be in NTC 213A, Wednesday, July 13, 7:00 p.m. sharp. Hope to see a large crowd. Steve From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Jul 12 17:33:32 2005 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Jul 12 16:09:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Winblows refund / MICROSOFT THEFT!!! In-Reply-To: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> References: <1121186401.1164.5946.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <42D4372C.5000902@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Chuck wrote: >Hey guys, > >I've been in the market for a new laptop for a while now. My current >one just takes too long to boot up and since I do start X most of the >time (for Evolution & multiple command windows) -- I'm tired of waiting >on it. Its been a great machine, but a P2-333 is just too slow. > >I've been looking at the machines available and their features. And I >pretty much settled on a HP machine I thought has the features I >wanted. I was not very concerned that HP doesn't have much information >on running Linux on their laptops -- that's kinda the norm with most >companies. But I have run into something of a brick wall on one topic >-- paying them and Micro$shit for software I don't want and will never >use. > I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's possible this is something to think of... One possible respo