From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jun 1 01:24:28 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Jun 1 00:02:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Workaround for missing kernel-source package in FC3 Message-ID: <200506010024.28862.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> BTW.. Someone asked me about this.. and the answer was to DL the kerne-...src.rpm package, install it.. and then rip the source out of the BUILD tree and stick it where it goes (not very graceful if you ask me).. Well here's a more civilized way to do it: (use up2date/yum/or apt-get/rpm): # apt-get install source kernel # cd /usr/src # ln -s redhat/BUILD/kernel-2.6.9/linux-2.6.9/ linux # ln -s redhat/BUILD/kernel-2.6.9/linux-2.6.9/ linux-2.6.9 The only disadvantage with this is that you might clobber your source by cleaning up your redhat dirs... or that compiling might take a few decaseconds longer due to the symlink overhead build up. Hmm.. come to think of it.. I may just go ahead and use mv instead and keep a local copy of the original src.rpm... hmm.. never mind.. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jun 1 01:33:17 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Jun 1 00:10:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Workaround for missing kernel-source package in FC3 In-Reply-To: <200506010024.28862.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200506010024.28862.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200506010033.17203.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 01 June 2005 00:24, tweeks wrote: > BTW.. Someone asked me about this.. and the answer was to DL the > kerne-...src.rpm package, install it.. and then rip the source out of the > BUILD tree and stick it where it goes (not very graceful if you ask me).. > Well here's a more civilized way to do it: (use up2date/yum/or > apt-get/rpm): almost forgot: > > # apt-get install source kernel > # cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS # rpmbuild -bp --target=noarch /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/kernel-2.6.9.spec # cd /usr/src > # ln -s redhat/BUILD/kernel-2.6.9/linux-2.6.9/ linux > # ln -s redhat/BUILD/kernel-2.6.9/linux-2.6.9/ linux-2.6.9 > Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jun 1 01:48:15 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Jun 1 00:25:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner In-Reply-To: <1117515234.1252.3105.camel@laptop> References: <200505310100.j4V0xxRh010400@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> <429BE1F4.5080104@camerontech.com> <1117515234.1252.3105.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200506010048.15877.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 30 May 2005 23:53, Chuck wrote: > > The last two or three I've had are usually six to nine months. 6mo. I know when it happens because my wife can no longer relay mail from her Win98 box and complains.. ;) Tweeks From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Jun 1 09:52:27 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Jun 1 08:29:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117633947.10298.7.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> Nope - upload is 512. I am paying that much to get static IPs, non- filtered traffic and same-day service. The storms killed my cable Internet connection yesterday and a tech was here within a few hours to fix it. I'm just greedy - I want the 5-8 megs that the residential folks are getting! :-) Thomas On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 19:09 -0500, Eric Flores wrote: > You probably paying that high because your upload speed is most likely > faster than 512k. ISP's really screw you on upload speed. > > -Eric > > > > > > Yeah, I called on that. As a business customer, I have to pay several > hundred dollars a month to get what you get as a residential customer. > > It really, really pisses me off that I am now paying 5X what residential > customers are paying to get less bandwidth. The only benefit for > business class RR is static IP addresses. > > Thomas > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dave at jesinc.com Wed Jun 1 16:12:06 2005 From: dave at jesinc.com (Dave Hyde) Date: Wed Jun 1 14:49:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] has anyone used bind 9.0 for windows active directory. Message-ID: I am trying to set up a windows active directory with bind nine anyone have experience with this. From gboswell at accd.edu Wed Jun 1 17:38:16 2005 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Wed Jun 1 16:15:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP Message-ID: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> For a summer group I have a good number of "installies" comming to the installfest on Saturday 6/4. Could I get those who plan to help to send me an email or post on the site that they are coming or is there someone else who is heading this up for SATLUG. I don't mind doing the work if no one is already heading it up. I'm trying to get all to come at 9am so we can get out by 12pm if all goes like normal. Thanks everyone. Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ (do not take personal just my point of view) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From texanmutt at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 1 21:29:24 2005 From: texanmutt at satx.rr.com (Eric Flores) Date: Wed Jun 1 20:05:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] RE:Road Runner In-Reply-To: <200506011700.j51H0FY22220@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: If your paying that much you might want to look into fiber service. I think time warner has some good rates that not much more than what you are paying for road runner. If not check out grande as well. They have a 4M down by 1M up cable service for $250 or they even have a tiered ds-3, 3Mbs service for $870. -Eric Message: 7 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:52:27 -0500 From: Thomas Cameron Subject: RE: [SATLUG] RoadRunner To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Message-ID: <1117633947.10298.7.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Nope - upload is 512. I am paying that much to get static IPs, non- filtered traffic and same-day service. The storms killed my cable Internet connection yesterday and a tech was here within a few hours to fix it. I'm just greedy - I want the 5-8 megs that the residential folks are getting! :-) Thomas From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 21:15:15 2005 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Wed Jun 1 21:52:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Looking for cheap computer Monitors Message-ID: <20050602031515.59466.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> I'm looking for two inexpensive computer monitors for two computers I put together using spare parts. A KVM switch won't work as the computers will be at different locations. Also, does anyone know if Apple computer monitors can be hooked up to Non-Apple computers? I know where I can get some for free, but haven't tried it yet. When is the next computer show? Can somebody point me out to cheap computer monitor/computer parts. My hobby this past few weeks is putting together computers for neices, nephews, and disabled/disadvantaged kids. Thanks for reading, Mary From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Jun 2 00:14:43 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:52:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Looking for cheap computer Monitors In-Reply-To: <20050602031515.59466.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050602031515.59466.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:15:15 -0700 (PDT), Mary Yatti wrote: >I'm looking for two inexpensive computer monitors for >two computers I put together using spare parts. Try the new Goodwill Computer Works, 4914 NW Loop 410, near Summit Parkway. www.goodwillsa.org 210-924-8581 >Also, does anyone know if Apple computer monitors can >be hooked up to Non-Apple computers? I know where I >can get some for free, but haven't tried it yet. * Very old ones used a large 15-pin connector; you'll need an adapter to connect one to a computer with VGA output. * Older ones used a standard VGA connector. Mostly no problem. * Current ones use a DVI connector, not all features can be used with PC video cards because the software only runs on Mac. >When is the next computer show? July 9-10 at the Live Oak Civic Center. http://www.pcshows.com/ (www.satlug.org is using old info right now) >Can somebody point me out to cheap computer >monitor/computer parts. My hobby this past few weeks >is putting together computers for neices, nephews, and >disabled/disadvantaged kids. See both above. Also note one of the Open Source Fest presenters has this project: http://www.trinity.edu/cspinks/RavMud/ If you're equipping a computer lab, there is a new thin-client distro getting good press. They seem to offer a free 30-user basic package, but it's hard to tell. Call them for full details. http://www.safedesksolutions.com/ I like the no-hassle Ubuntu project for regular desktops, but it's all Tux. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ --Don -- SATLUG supports the InstallFest: SAC Nail Tech Center, Saturday 4-Jun-05, 9am to ??? www.satlug.org From kefoster at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 00:22:54 2005 From: kefoster at gmail.com (Kevin Foster) Date: Wed Jun 1 23:00:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Looking for cheap computer Monitors In-Reply-To: References: <20050602031515.59466.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6c649da205060121221725ec14@mail.gmail.com> You might also check craigslist http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/search?areaID=53&subAreaID=0&query=monitor&cat=sys&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max On 6/1/05, Don Wright wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:15:15 -0700 (PDT), Mary Yatti > wrote: > > >I'm looking for two inexpensive computer monitors for > >two computers I put together using spare parts. > Try the new Goodwill Computer Works, 4914 NW Loop 410, near Summit > Parkway. > www.goodwillsa.org 210-924-8581 > > > >Also, does anyone know if Apple computer monitors can > >be hooked up to Non-Apple computers? I know where I > >can get some for free, but haven't tried it yet. > > * Very old ones used a large 15-pin connector; you'll need an adapter to > connect one to a computer with VGA output. > * Older ones used a standard VGA connector. Mostly no problem. > * Current ones use a DVI connector, not all features can be used with PC > video cards because the software only runs on Mac. > > > >When is the next computer show? > July 9-10 at the Live Oak Civic Center. > http://www.pcshows.com/ > (www.satlug.org is using old info right now) > > > >Can somebody point me out to cheap computer > >monitor/computer parts. My hobby this past few weeks > >is putting together computers for neices, nephews, and > >disabled/disadvantaged kids. > > See both above. Also note one of the Open Source Fest presenters has this > project: http://www.trinity.edu/cspinks/RavMud/ > > If you're equipping a computer lab, there is a new thin-client distro > getting good press. They seem to offer a free 30-user basic package, but > it's hard to tell. Call them for full details. > http://www.safedesksolutions.com/ > > I like the no-hassle Ubuntu project for regular desktops, but it's all > Tux. > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ > > --Don > > -- > SATLUG supports the InstallFest: > SAC Nail Tech Center, Saturday 4-Jun-05, 9am to ??? > www.satlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Jun 2 00:40:59 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 1 23:18:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Looking for cheap computer Monitors In-Reply-To: <20050602031515.59466.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050602031515.59466.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1117687260.1228.3442.camel@laptop> Hi Mary, I've picked up a number at recent computer shows. Usually 17 inchers for $30 or less. I've seen some guys selling older 15 inchers for $10. If you don't need them right away, hold for the show. I was also recently informed by a business that I've supported that they're downsizing or closing shop. The person running it asked me to help them liquidate all the network gear, computers, & monitors they have. I'll check tomorrow what they have and will be disposing. And I'll let you know. Chuck On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 22:15, Mary Yatti wrote: I'm looking for two inexpensive computer monitors for two computers I put together using spare parts. A KVM switch won't work as the computers will be at different locations. Also, does anyone know if Apple computer monitors can be hooked up to Non-Apple computers? I know where I can get some for free, but haven't tried it yet. When is the next computer show? Can somebody point me out to cheap computer monitor/computer parts. My hobby this past few weeks is putting together computers for neices, nephews, and disabled/disadvantaged kids. Thanks for reading, Mary _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jun 2 01:54:15 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Thu Jun 2 00:31:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP In-Reply-To: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> References: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> Message-ID: <200506020054.15590.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 01 June 2005 16:38, Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > For a summer group I have a good number of "installies" comming to the > installfest on Saturday 6/4. Could I get those who plan to help to > send me an email or post on the site that they are coming or is there > someone else who is heading this up for SATLUG. I don't mind doing the > work if no one is already heading it up. I'm trying to get all to come > at 9am so we can get out by 12pm if all goes like normal. Thanks everyone. Bozz.. If you're in a 100Mb switched environment.. I recommend setting up a kickstart server for FC3/4. Let me know if you want a hand. Tweeks From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Jun 2 02:31:09 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 2 01:08:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP In-Reply-To: <200506020054.15590.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> <200506020054.15590.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1117693870.1252.3525.camel@laptop> Bozz.. If you're in a 100Mb switched environment.. I recommend setting up a kickstart server for FC3/4. Let me know if you want a hand. Tweeks A kickstart server sounds like a good idea Tweeks. It could definitely make it easier to load all those boxes. And maybe I won't loose so many CDs at this one. While I'm at it, you're probably the best person to ask on this -- what's the word on FC4? I keep hearing rumors but nothing official. Is it still deep in Beta, or will we get a Core 4 version soon??? Chuck From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 02:55:10 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Thu Jun 2 01:32:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Looking for cheap computer Monitors In-Reply-To: <20050602031515.59466.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mary, Tiger Direct has some reasonable deals on refurbished monitors. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/refurb/refurb_slc.asp?CatId=12&categ ory=Monitors RetroBox has as many as ou want for under $20 http://www.retrobox.com/rbwww/home/search_results_pc_monitors.asp Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Mary Yatti Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:15 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] OT Looking for cheap computer Monitors I'm looking for two inexpensive computer monitors for two computers I put together using spare parts. A KVM switch won't work as the computers will be at different locations. Also, does anyone know if Apple computer monitors can be hooked up to Non-Apple computers? I know where I can get some for free, but haven't tried it yet. When is the next computer show? Can somebody point me out to cheap computer monitor/computer parts. My hobby this past few weeks is putting together computers for neices, nephews, and disabled/disadvantaged kids. Thanks for reading, Mary _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From Jason.George at Valero.com Thu Jun 2 11:49:06 2005 From: Jason.George at Valero.com (George, Jason) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:26:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 Message-ID: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A6B@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> Hello- I attended the previous OpenFest and snagged a copy of Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Thank you, NovaCoast). The CDROMs are packaged as an Evaluation Kit- Free updates for 60 days. Poking around on the URL provided (http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html), it says the only limitation of the eval is the duration to which one will have free access to update.novell.com. So as a newbie, how hard will it be to keep this distro up-to-date after my 60 days have expired and if I decide not to register (buy a license) with Novell? Will I have to re-compile the kernel and jump through other crazy hoops to keep my system patched? Look forward to meeting you guys this Saturday! -JG From afouty at swri.edu Thu Jun 2 11:59:55 2005 From: afouty at swri.edu (Allen Fouty) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:37:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 In-Reply-To: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A6B@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> References: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A6B@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> Message-ID: <429F2CFB.1040406@swri.edu> Hey Jason! Not to be flippant, but jumping through crazy loops (using linux) is the best way to learn. It may be difficult at first, but tough lessons can be very effective. If this isn't a system where anything critical resides, you may be well served by a couple kernel panics and misconfigurations. Just make sure that all of your personal data is on separate partition. My first linux experience was installing Debain on a crappy Compaq. I had to perform the install from scratch a 'few' times to get things going, but the experience was invaluable. What does everyone else think? -Allen George, Jason wrote: > Hello- > > I attended the previous OpenFest and snagged a copy of Novell Linux > Desktop 9 (Thank you, NovaCoast). The CDROMs are packaged as an > Evaluation Kit- Free updates for 60 days. Poking around on the URL > provided (http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html), it says the > only limitation of the eval is the duration to which one will have free > access to update.novell.com. > > So as a newbie, how hard will it be to keep this distro up-to-date after > my 60 days have expired and if I decide not to register (buy a license) > with Novell? Will I have to re-compile the kernel and jump through > other crazy hoops to keep my system patched? > > Look forward to meeting you guys this Saturday! -JG > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- ---------------------------------- Allen Fouty Research Analyst, SwRI 210.522.3560 phone 210.647.4325 fax ================================== From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Thu Jun 2 12:10:18 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:46:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 In-Reply-To: <429F2CFB.1040406@swri.edu> References: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A6B@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> <429F2CFB.1040406@swri.edu> Message-ID: <1117728618.3832.8.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:59 -0500, Allen Fouty wrote: > Hey Jason! > > Not to be flippant, but jumping through crazy loops (using linux) is the best > way to learn. It may be difficult at first, but tough lessons can be very > effective. If this isn't a system where anything critical resides, you may be > well served by a couple kernel panics and misconfigurations. Just make sure > that all of your personal data is on separate partition. > > My first linux experience was installing Debain on a crappy Compaq. I had to > perform the install from scratch a 'few' times to get things going, but the > experience was invaluable. > > What does everyone else think? I agree - my first experience was Slackware running the 2.0.0 kernel and it took a *lot* of work for a newbie to get running right. But I learned more from that than I would have had a started with a more "user-friendly" distro like RH. Hard work makes you learn it better and appreciate it more. Thomas From kefoster at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 12:11:24 2005 From: kefoster at gmail.com (Kevin Foster) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:48:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 In-Reply-To: <429F2CFB.1040406@swri.edu> References: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A6B@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> <429F2CFB.1040406@swri.edu> Message-ID: <6c649da205060209114184e85d@mail.gmail.com> While I agree the best way to learn is to learn from doing and the other way is to ask LUG's for help which Jason did. Unfortunately, I am not a SUSE user. I use Fedora and the updates are free. I hope someone can help you with your question. Kevin On 6/2/05, Allen Fouty wrote: > > Hey Jason! > > Not to be flippant, but jumping through crazy loops (using linux) is the > best > way to learn. It may be difficult at first, but tough lessons can be very > effective. If this isn't a system where anything critical resides, you may > be > well served by a couple kernel panics and misconfigurations. Just make > sure > that all of your personal data is on separate partition. > > My first linux experience was installing Debain on a crappy Compaq. I had > to > perform the install from scratch a 'few' times to get things going, but > the > experience was invaluable. > > What does everyone else think? > > -Allen > > George, Jason wrote: > > Hello- > > > > I attended the previous OpenFest and snagged a copy of Novell Linux > > Desktop 9 (Thank you, NovaCoast). The CDROMs are packaged as an > > Evaluation Kit- Free updates for 60 days. Poking around on the URL > > provided (http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html), it says the > > only limitation of the eval is the duration to which one will have free > > access to update.novell.com . > > > > So as a newbie, how hard will it be to keep this distro up-to-date after > > my 60 days have expired and if I decide not to register (buy a license) > > with Novell? Will I have to re-compile the kernel and jump through > > other crazy hoops to keep my system patched? > > > > Look forward to meeting you guys this Saturday! -JG > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > -- > ---------------------------------- > Allen Fouty > Research Analyst, SwRI > 210.522.3560 phone > 210.647.4325 fax > ================================== > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Jun 2 12:21:53 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:59:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 In-Reply-To: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A6B@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> References: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A6B@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> Message-ID: <1117729314.1252.3574.camel@laptop> Naw -- no crazy hoops here. If you don't have access to update.novell.com, you merely have to keep an eye open on the news of new vulnerabilities/exploits and then patch/upgrade any software you might have that is affected. You see, that update site just automates the process of checking for updated packages, pulling them down, and installing them. There are many websites like Bugtrack that distribute information on the newest bugs found and will even e-mail you with any new ones pertinent to your OS. And I feel certain that Novell will probably be doing this themselves. So, keeping knowledgeable on the newest vulnerabilities is easy enough. Once you hear that a new exploit is out against software package XYZ-1.0.0 (and you have XYZ-1.0.0 on your PC), you then have to go get the new/patched version and upgrade your package manually. Its actually a lot easier process than it sounds and actually doesn't have to be done all that often. Especially since a lot of the exploits are not something to be concerned about (a LOT of recent exploits concern a local user's ability to gain higher privileges -- but if you're the only user on your desktop, who cares???). So if you loose access to update.novell.com, the world isn't going to come to an end and your PC won't bite you in the butt. Enjoy your Novell distribution and welcome to the Linux world. Chuck On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:49, George, Jason wrote: Hello- I attended the previous OpenFest and snagged a copy of Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Thank you, NovaCoast). The CDROMs are packaged as an Evaluation Kit- Free updates for 60 days. Poking around on the URL provided (http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html), it says the only limitation of the eval is the duration to which one will have free access to update.novell.com. So as a newbie, how hard will it be to keep this distro up-to-date after my 60 days have expired and if I decide not to register (buy a license) with Novell? Will I have to re-compile the kernel and jump through other crazy hoops to keep my system patched? Look forward to meeting you guys this Saturday! -JG _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From othniel at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 12:28:46 2005 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:06:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP In-Reply-To: <1117693870.1252.3525.camel@laptop> References: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> <200506020054.15590.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1117693870.1252.3525.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <24b598f605060209285d6fbbd5@mail.gmail.com> As SATLUG president I will be there at 8:59 AM with my bowtie on. Othniel Graichen On 02 Jun 2005 01:31:09 -0500, Chuck wrote: > Bozz.. > If you're in a 100Mb switched environment.. I recommend setting up a kickstart > server for FC3/4. Let me know if you want a hand. > > Tweeks > > > A kickstart server sounds like a good idea Tweeks. It could definitely > make it easier to load all those boxes. And maybe I won't loose so many > CDs at this one. > > While I'm at it, you're probably the best person to ask on this -- > what's the word on FC4? I keep hearing rumors but nothing official. Is > it still deep in Beta, or will we get a Core 4 version soon??? > > > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From Jason.George at Valero.com Thu Jun 2 14:12:55 2005 From: Jason.George at Valero.com (George, Jason) Date: Thu Jun 2 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Chuck) Message-ID: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A72@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> Thank you, Kevin and Chuck. So it looks like a manual patch management issue (after the 60 day eval), which will be a good learning process. I mistakenly thought that maybe the Novell distro kind of locked itself after the eval, so you couldn't update it. But that's pretty anti-Linux, huh?! Being a newbie, I crawl before I can walk- which is why I'm considering the more user-friendlier distros like Novell or Xandros. As I get more comfortable, then I'll start the school of hard knocks. For now, I'm taking the 'What About Bob' approach- baby steps, baby steps. 8^) -JG ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:11:24 -0500 From: Kevin Foster Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Message-ID: <6c649da205060209114184e85d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While I agree the best way to learn is to learn from doing and the other way is to ask LUG's for help which Jason did. Unfortunately, I am not a SUSE user. I use Fedora and the updates are free. I hope someone can help you with your question. Kevin --------------------------------------- Message: 3 Date: 02 Jun 2005 11:21:53 -0500 From: Chuck Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Message-ID: <1117729314.1252.3574.camel@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain Naw -- no crazy hoops here. If you don't have access to update.novell.com, you merely have to keep an eye open on the news of new vulnerabilities/exploits and then patch/upgrade any software you might have that is affected. You see, that update site just automates the process of checking for updated packages, pulling them down, and installing them. There are many websites like Bugtrack that distribute information on the newest bugs found and will even e-mail you with any new ones pertinent to your OS. And I feel certain that Novell will probably be doing this themselves. So, keeping knowledgeable on the newest vulnerabilities is easy enough. Once you hear that a new exploit is out against software package XYZ-1.0.0 (and you have XYZ-1.0.0 on your PC), you then have to go get the new/patched version and upgrade your package manually. Its actually a lot easier process than it sounds and actually doesn't have to be done all that often. Especially since a lot of the exploits are not something to be concerned about (a LOT of recent exploits concern a local user's ability to gain higher privileges -- but if you're the only user on your desktop, who cares???). So if you loose access to update.novell.com, the world isn't going to come to an end and your PC won't bite you in the butt. Enjoy your Novell distribution and welcome to the Linux world. Chuck From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 12:23:29 2005 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Thu Jun 2 14:50:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP In-Reply-To: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> References: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> Message-ID: <429F2471.9040906@gmail.com> Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > Could I get those who plan to help to send me an email or post on the site that they are coming I will be there on Saturday to help out as much as I can. Jim Wells From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 16:18:39 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Jun 2 14:55:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 In-Reply-To: <1117729314.1252.3574.camel@laptop> References: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A6B@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> <1117729314.1252.3574.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4154519d050602131869aa30fd@mail.gmail.com> > Naw -- no crazy hoops here. > > If you don't have access to update.novell.com, you merely have to keep > an eye open on the news of new vulnerabilities/exploits and then > patch/upgrade any software you might have that is affected. You see, > that update site just automates the process of checking for updated > packages, pulling them down, and installing them. The update site only contains programs and information that's already out there which you can download and build on your own. It's just a service that helps automate the process, that's all. And it's good for the learning process to know how to install something on your own, patch it yourself, etc. For the most part I just use pre-made packages, but there are times when I need to do the install myself. Usually this is because I don't have the time to wait for someone to package the program or patch. As for the first experiences with Linux thread... I cut my teeth trying to install Debian on an older machine and this was in 1998. I don't remember the specs of the machine or which version of Debian was out then, but if anyone thinks installing Debian is hard, imagine something exponentially harder. It took a solid two days to get the install correct and get the software installed correctly. Because I had been through the install so many times, I think I at the end I was able to install the base OS in a little under 15 minutes. Then the problem was getting the software correct. Newbie + dpkg = broken system many times over. -Mike From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jun 2 17:31:46 2005 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:09:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Chuck) In-Reply-To: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A72@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> References: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A72@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> Message-ID: <1117755106.4583.15.camel@linux> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 13:12 -0500, George, Jason wrote: > Thank you, Kevin and Chuck. So it looks like a manual patch management > issue (after the 60 day eval), which will be a good learning process. I > mistakenly thought that maybe the Novell distro kind of locked itself > after the eval, so you couldn't update it. But that's pretty > anti-Linux, huh?! No, Jason, you don't get locked into Novell's patches and software packages. Here on my laptop I'm running Novell SuSE 9.2, and use DVD drivers from a .rpm file that was built for Red Hat. There's a lot of inter operating between the distributions. When the SuSE engineers first came out with the video drivers for the Matrox Millenium card a few years back, we showed people how to install the SuSE .rpm's on Red Hat at a SATLUG meeting. > Being a newbie, I crawl before I can walk- which is why I'm considering > the more user-friendlier distros like Novell or Xandros. As I get more > comfortable, then I'll start the school of hard knocks. For now, I'm > taking the 'What About Bob' approach- baby steps, baby steps. 8^) -JG Novell's SuSE is a great distro to learn Linux from. When SuSE was first starting up, a lot of their documentation was only available in German, which hurt them in this country until they improved their English support. Now that Novell owns SuSE, that's not an issue. I use Scientific Linux on my home server and SuSE on my workstations and laptop, and they work great together. One thing I love about SuSE is they've always had great support for KDE. I keep a copy of SuSE on my kids' Windows box, with a tarball of the initial Windows installation on the SuSE partition, so that when the kids break Windows through spyware or viruses, I can zero out their partition and rebuild it in about 20 minutes, which is a lot easier to do that using Ghost or some other Windows restore program. Al Castanoli From gboswell at accd.edu Thu Jun 2 17:45:15 2005 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:22:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] re Installfest HELP Message-ID: <429F7DEB.20506@accd.edu> > > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:28:46 -0500 >From: Othniel Graichen >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >Message-ID: <24b598f605060209285d6fbbd5@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >As SATLUG president I will be there at 8:59 AM with my bowtie on. > >Othniel Graichen > >On 02 Jun 2005 01:31:09 -0500, Chuck wrote: > bowtie, with your TUX ........ and 8:59 AM..... must be a COLD weather pattern comming....... -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ (do not take personal just my point of view) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Jun 2 19:10:41 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Jun 2 17:48:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav Message-ID: <429F91F1.4000002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Ok, I am brain dead this afternoon. What do I use to convert a wav to mp3 and mp3 to wav? Thanks, Steve From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 19:19:36 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Thu Jun 2 17:56:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav In-Reply-To: <429F91F1.4000002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: Steve, Is this what you are looking for?? http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMP3.html Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of steve kolars Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:11 PM To: satlug Subject: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav Ok, I am brain dead this afternoon. What do I use to convert a wav to mp3 and mp3 to wav? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 19:21:21 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Thu Jun 2 17:58:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav In-Reply-To: <429F91F1.4000002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: Here is another explanation... http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/linux/mp3_wav.html Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of steve kolars Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:11 PM To: satlug Subject: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav Ok, I am brain dead this afternoon. What do I use to convert a wav to mp3 and mp3 to wav? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Thu Jun 2 19:46:50 2005 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Thu Jun 2 18:24:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav In-Reply-To: <429F91F1.4000002@cis.sac.accd.edu> (steve kolars's message of "Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:10:41 -0500") References: <429F91F1.4000002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, steve kolars said: > Ok, I am brain dead this afternoon. What do I use to convert a wav to > mp3 and mp3 to wav? > > Thanks, > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Lame. XMMS. -- Ted Rathkopf From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jun 2 22:05:32 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:42:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report Message-ID: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> A way to take action against the big telco's who are trying to own wifi in America. Both at the state and federal levels. Tweeks ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- TELCO WARS IN A SPECIAL SESSION?: /Folks went on red alert and started calling when they read in this and other publications that Lt. Governor *David Dewhurst* would advocate adding the telecom-cable issue to the call if a special session were convened./ While the issue certainly involves billions of dollars in Texas, we would be surprised if *Governor Perry* chose to do so. There is some likelihood that a brief special might be called for Tuition Revenue Bonds and judicial pay raises. Both have a serious public relations element to them. Similarly, if grass roots anger forces the Speaker and Lt. Governor back to the table where a deal is hammered out on school finance, that could certainly have a positive political component for the Governor. Reigniting nuclear warfare over cities vs telcos vs cables has no resonance in a Republican primary and is therefore unlikely to see the light of day. ------------------------- CU has set up an email action alert to the Gov, Lt. Gov and Senator Fraser asking them to stand tall and oppose adding phone company special interest legislation to a special session on school finance. Let's show them they don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole. http://cu.convio.net/stand_tall_texas Best, Tim --------- From jsmith at torchlighttech.com Thu Jun 2 22:24:04 2005 From: jsmith at torchlighttech.com (jsmith@torchlighttech.com) Date: Thu Jun 2 21:01:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 17, Issue 3 References: <200506021700.j52H0KY28890@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <003801c567e3$5096e2b0$e5fcf3d0@deen> Hey guys, Don't worry, I am not a stranger to Linux at all. I am now trying to move from the desktop aspects to the server aspects now. I am by no means an expert at Linux though. I have just gotten a really good feel for most distros. I learn new things everyday about it and hope to implement it into my carreer. I hope to hear a lot from you guys about Linux developments you've heard about and what not. TTYL ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: SATLUG Digest, Vol 17, Issue 3 > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > satlug@satlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > satlug-request@satlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > satlug-owner@satlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SATLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Thomas Cameron) > 2. Re: Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Kevin Foster) > 3. Re: Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Chuck) > 4. Re: Installfest HELP (Othniel Graichen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:10:18 -0500 > From: Thomas Cameron > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <1117728618.3832.8.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:59 -0500, Allen Fouty wrote: > > Hey Jason! > > > > Not to be flippant, but jumping through crazy loops (using linux) is the best > > way to learn. It may be difficult at first, but tough lessons can be very > > effective. If this isn't a system where anything critical resides, you may be > > well served by a couple kernel panics and misconfigurations. Just make sure > > that all of your personal data is on separate partition. > > > > My first linux experience was installing Debain on a crappy Compaq. I had to > > perform the install from scratch a 'few' times to get things going, but the > > experience was invaluable. > > > > What does everyone else think? > > I agree - my first experience was Slackware running the 2.0.0 kernel and > it took a *lot* of work for a newbie to get running right. But I > learned more from that than I would have had a started with a more > "user-friendly" distro like RH. > > Hard work makes you learn it better and appreciate it more. > > Thomas > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:11:24 -0500 > From: Kevin Foster > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <6c649da205060209114184e85d@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > While I agree the best way to learn is to learn from doing and the other way > is to ask LUG's for help which Jason did. Unfortunately, I am not a SUSE > user. I use Fedora and the updates are free. I hope someone can help you > with your question. > > Kevin > > On 6/2/05, Allen Fouty wrote: > > > > Hey Jason! > > > > Not to be flippant, but jumping through crazy loops (using linux) is the > > best > > way to learn. It may be difficult at first, but tough lessons can be very > > effective. If this isn't a system where anything critical resides, you may > > be > > well served by a couple kernel panics and misconfigurations. Just make > > sure > > that all of your personal data is on separate partition. > > > > My first linux experience was installing Debain on a crappy Compaq. I had > > to > > perform the install from scratch a 'few' times to get things going, but > > the > > experience was invaluable. > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > > -Allen > > > > George, Jason wrote: > > > Hello- > > > > > > I attended the previous OpenFest and snagged a copy of Novell Linux > > > Desktop 9 (Thank you, NovaCoast). The CDROMs are packaged as an > > > Evaluation Kit- Free updates for 60 days. Poking around on the URL > > > provided (http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html), it says the > > > only limitation of the eval is the duration to which one will have free > > > access to update.novell.com . > > > > > > So as a newbie, how hard will it be to keep this distro up-to-date after > > > my 60 days have expired and if I decide not to register (buy a license) > > > with Novell? Will I have to re-compile the kernel and jump through > > > other crazy hoops to keep my system patched? > > > > > > Look forward to meeting you guys this Saturday! -JG > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > -- > > ---------------------------------- > > Allen Fouty > > Research Analyst, SwRI > > 210.522.3560 phone > > 210.647.4325 fax > > ================================== > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: 02 Jun 2005 11:21:53 -0500 > From: Chuck > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <1117729314.1252.3574.camel@laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Naw -- no crazy hoops here. > > If you don't have access to update.novell.com, you merely have to keep > an eye open on the news of new vulnerabilities/exploits and then > patch/upgrade any software you might have that is affected. You see, > that update site just automates the process of checking for updated > packages, pulling them down, and installing them. > > There are many websites like Bugtrack that distribute information on the > newest bugs found and will even e-mail you with any new ones pertinent > to your OS. And I feel certain that Novell will probably be doing this > themselves. So, keeping knowledgeable on the newest vulnerabilities is > easy enough. > > Once you hear that a new exploit is out against software package > XYZ-1.0.0 (and you have XYZ-1.0.0 on your PC), you then have to go get > the new/patched version and upgrade your package manually. Its actually > a lot easier process than it sounds and actually doesn't have to be done > all that often. Especially since a lot of the exploits are not > something to be concerned about (a LOT of recent exploits concern a > local user's ability to gain higher privileges -- but if you're the only > user on your desktop, who cares???). > > So if you loose access to update.novell.com, the world isn't going to > come to an end and your PC won't bite you in the butt. > > Enjoy your Novell distribution and welcome to the Linux world. > > > > Chuck > > > > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:49, George, Jason wrote: > > Hello- > > I attended the previous OpenFest and snagged a copy of Novell Linux > Desktop 9 (Thank you, NovaCoast). The CDROMs are packaged as an > Evaluation Kit- Free updates for 60 days. Poking around on the URL > provided (http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html), it says the > only limitation of the eval is the duration to which one will have free > access to update.novell.com. > > So as a newbie, how hard will it be to keep this distro up-to-date after > my 60 days have expired and if I decide not to register (buy a license) > with Novell? Will I have to re-compile the kernel and jump through > other crazy hoops to keep my system patched? > > Look forward to meeting you guys this Saturday! -JG > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:28:46 -0500 > From: Othniel Graichen > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <24b598f605060209285d6fbbd5@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > As SATLUG president I will be there at 8:59 AM with my bowtie on. > > Othniel Graichen > > On 02 Jun 2005 01:31:09 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > Bozz.. > > If you're in a 100Mb switched environment.. I recommend setting up a kickstart > > server for FC3/4. Let me know if you want a hand. > > > > Tweeks > > > > > > A kickstart server sounds like a good idea Tweeks. It could definitely > > make it easier to load all those boxes. And maybe I won't loose so many > > CDs at this one. > > > > While I'm at it, you're probably the best person to ask on this -- > > what's the word on FC4? I keep hearing rumors but nothing official. Is > > it still deep in Beta, or will we get a Core 4 version soon??? > > > > > > > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > End of SATLUG Digest, Vol 17, Issue 3 > ************************************* > > From gboswell at accd.edu Thu Jun 2 23:16:26 2005 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Thu Jun 2 21:54:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora Core 3 Message-ID: <429FCB8A.3040307@accd.edu> Does anyone have a DVD copy of Fedora Core 3 that we can copy onto another DVD that you know works. I have downloaded the FC2 DVD iso from 2 different sites and both create a DVD that errors on copying the vim package during install. I have a DVD from Negus's text but it is a 4.8g dual layer DVD. I need a single layer DVD Fedora Core 3 DVD to make copies from for the installfest and my class. I know short notice but I will take good care of your DVD. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 cell 210-365-6685 A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ (do not take personal just my point of view) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From dubose at texas.net Thu Jun 2 23:34:47 2005 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Thu Jun 2 22:12:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> IMHO, pubically provided WiFi is a pipe dream and like the 11 Meter Citizen Band...a nice idea but one that technically will not work since it is unlicensed and unregulated by the FCC. Additionally, it is too low power to be of any real use...something in the line of the 48 MHz walkie-talkies that kids play with. I just don't see any future in it. I believe that after the initial craze, it will become as is the 11 Meter CB today...a toy and really usless serious communications tool. Walt Tom Weeks wrote: > A way to take action against the big telco's who are trying to own wifi in > America. Both at the state and federal levels. > > Tweeks > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > TELCO WARS IN A SPECIAL SESSION?: /Folks went on red alert and started > calling when they read in this and other publications that Lt. Governor > *David Dewhurst* would advocate adding the telecom-cable issue to the > call if a special session were convened./ While the issue certainly > involves billions of dollars in Texas, we would be surprised if > *Governor Perry* chose to do so. There is some likelihood that a brief > special might be called for Tuition Revenue Bonds and judicial pay > raises. Both have a serious public relations element to them. Similarly, > if grass roots anger forces the Speaker and Lt. Governor back to the > table where a deal is hammered out on school finance, that could > certainly have a positive political component for the Governor. > Reigniting nuclear warfare over cities vs telcos vs cables has no > resonance in a Republican primary and is therefore unlikely to see the > light of day. > > ------------------------- > > CU has set up an email action alert to the Gov, Lt. Gov and Senator > Fraser asking them to stand tall and oppose adding phone company special > interest legislation to a special session on school finance. Let's show > them they don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole. > > http://cu.convio.net/stand_tall_texas > > Best, > > Tim > --------- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Jun 2 23:47:12 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 2 22:24:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <429FCB8A.3040307@accd.edu> References: <429FCB8A.3040307@accd.edu> Message-ID: <1117770446.1228.3589.camel@laptop> I've got one Boz. Only done a single install from the DVD, but it went right as far as I remember. Want me to bring it Saturday morning??? Chuck On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 22:16, Glenn F. Boswell wrote: Does anyone have a DVD copy of Fedora Core 3 that we can copy onto another DVD that you know works. I have downloaded the FC2 DVD iso from 2 different sites and both create a DVD that errors on copying the vim package during install. I have a DVD from Negus's text but it is a 4.8g dual layer DVD. I need a single layer DVD Fedora Core 3 DVD to make copies from for the installfest and my class. I know short notice but I will take good care of your DVD. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 cell 210-365-6685 A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ (do not take personal just my point of view) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Jun 3 00:07:37 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 2 22:44:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> Message-ID: <1117771658.1228.3609.camel@laptop> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 22:34, Walt DuBose wrote: IMHO, pubically provided WiFi is a pipe dream and like the 11 Meter Citizen Band...a nice idea but one that technically will not work since it is unlicensed and unregulated by the FCC. Additionally, it is too low power to be of any real use...something in the line of the 48 MHz walkie-talkies that kids play with. I just don't see any future in it. I believe that after the initial craze, it will become as is the 11 Meter CB today...a toy and really usless serious communications tool. Walt Walt, Who cares whether its a serious communications tool that a lot of people use or a hobby that only a few utilize. How would you like it if the FCC start taking away the little used Ham bands like the 160meter to give to a commercial operation??? It shouldn't matter whether it will pan out as useful or not Walt. We shouldn't be taking it away from the public and giving it to commercial companies just to protect their profits. See my point??? Chuck From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jun 3 00:19:00 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Thu Jun 2 22:56:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> Message-ID: <200506022319.00101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 02 June 2005 22:34, you wrote: > IMHO, pubically provided WiFi is a pipe dream and like the 11 Meter Citizen > Band...a nice idea but one that technically will not work since it is > unlicensed and unregulated by the FCC. One possability. However, some of the anti muni-wireless legislation could even keep people like CPS from researching and installing things like restricted access infrastructure services such as automated electrical meter and water readings, residential fire warning systems, and automated neighborhood police services. > Additionally, it is too low power > to be of any real use... Don! I'm shocked! You of all people should know that it's not the power that's important with wifi.. it's the antenna gain of the system that lets you take a 50mW wifi system with 50ft radius and blast it out 5 miles to a repeater! ;) > I just don't see any future in it. I believe that after the initial craze, > it will become as is the 11 Meter CB today...a toy and really usless > serious communications tool. Well I'm working with a non-profit here in town to "beam" a wifi signal 2 miles into a poor/low income neighborhood (that can't get other broadband from RR/SBC) to give them internet access (and computers running Linux). That's not useless. Tweeks From dubose at texas.net Fri Jun 3 00:26:19 2005 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:03:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <1117771658.1228.3609.camel@laptop> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> <1117771658.1228.3609.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <429FDBEB.50502@texas.net> My point is that I don't believe that it is of any great commercial benefit and that in time it will be in the public domain. That said, any entiry or individual has a right to Part 15 usage and no entity or individual can use or control it...unless of course the FCC says so and the discussions I have had with FCC personnel (and I will be talking to them again tomorrow in Arlington) is that they aren't going to change any part of Part 15 as it applies to WiFi operations. If a commercial entity wants to use WiFi 2.4 GHz channel 6 to "try" and make money, they can. However, that DOES NOT stop a private individual from running a free access channel 6 in the same geographical area. Nor does it stop a ham radio operator from running a 100 watt TV station at 1000 ft with a 10 dB gain omnidirectional antenna. Which you might imagine would complete make WiFi channel 6 usless. All of you need to understand that from an RF engineering standpoint, the power that you can legally run under Part 15 is tinker-toy stuff and in no way should be considered a commercial communications issue...even your puny tinker-toy cellphones run 10-15 times more power on 1.9 GHz and 2.3 GHz than a WiFi unit on the 2.4 GHz band. Any business you thinks that WiFi under Part 15 is of any real commercial value just does not understand much about RF engineering. Walt Chuck wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 22:34, Walt DuBose wrote: > > IMHO, pubically provided WiFi is a pipe dream and like the 11 Meter Citizen > Band...a nice idea but one that technically will not work since it is unlicensed > and unregulated by the FCC. Additionally, it is too low power to be of any real > use...something in the line of the 48 MHz walkie-talkies that kids play with. > > I just don't see any future in it. I believe that after the initial craze, it > will become as is the 11 Meter CB today...a toy and really usless serious > communications tool. > > Walt > > > Walt, > > Who cares whether its a serious communications tool that a lot of people > use or a hobby that only a few utilize. How would you like it if the > FCC start taking away the little used Ham bands like the 160meter to > give to a commercial operation??? > > It shouldn't matter whether it will pan out as useful or not Walt. We > shouldn't be taking it away from the public and giving it to commercial > companies just to protect their profits. See my point??? > > > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From dubose at texas.net Fri Jun 3 00:32:42 2005 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:09:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <200506022319.00101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> <200506022319.00101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <429FDD6A.3020008@texas.net> With reference to power, Part 15 WiFi is limited to 36 watts EIRP...the only legal Part 15 BDAs I know of only run 1 watt and an antenna with more than 15.5 dB gain will produce more than 36 watts EIRP. Small potatoes in the RF world...even at 2.4 GHz. Hang a wet paper bag over your electric meter that is read with WiFi and you won't radiate a signal. Again, WiFi at 2.4 GHZ is tinker-toy stuff. Any serious commercial use of the equipment is asking for a big surprise. and OBTW, Part 15 WiFi on 2.4 GHz is subject to the high power levels of the ISM hardware (licensed hardware) which may run as much as 10 KW (such as an RF lighting sign on the Las Vegas strip). Who is kidding who about WiFi? tweeks wrote: > On Thursday 02 June 2005 22:34, you wrote: > >>IMHO, pubically provided WiFi is a pipe dream and like the 11 Meter Citizen >>Band...a nice idea but one that technically will not work since it is >>unlicensed and unregulated by the FCC. > > > One possability. However, some of the anti muni-wireless legislation could > even keep people like CPS from researching and installing things like > restricted access infrastructure services such as automated electrical meter > and water readings, residential fire warning systems, and automated > neighborhood police services. > > > >>Additionally, it is too low power >>to be of any real use... > > > Don! I'm shocked! You of all people should know that it's not the power > that's important with wifi.. it's the antenna gain of the system that lets > you take a 50mW wifi system with 50ft radius and blast it out 5 miles to a > repeater! ;) > > > >>I just don't see any future in it. I believe that after the initial craze, >>it will become as is the 11 Meter CB today...a toy and really usless >>serious communications tool. > > > Well I'm working with a non-profit here in town to "beam" a wifi signal 2 > miles into a poor/low income neighborhood (that can't get other broadband > from RR/SBC) to give them internet access (and computers running Linux). > > That's not useless. > > Tweeks > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jun 3 00:43:26 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:20:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP In-Reply-To: <1117693870.1252.3525.camel@laptop> References: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> <200506020054.15590.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1117693870.1252.3525.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200506022343.26341.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 02 June 2005 01:31, Chuck wrote: > Bozz.. > If you're in a 100Mb switched environment.. I recommend setting up a > kickstart server for FC3/4. Let me know if you want a hand. > > Tweeks > > > A kickstart server sounds like a good idea Tweeks. It could definitely > make it easier to load all those boxes. And maybe I won't loose so many > CDs at this one. Just dump the entire FC3 DVD ISO into /var/ftp/pub/ of your "kickstart server" to be... Turn on vsftpd (the modern way Chuck ;) : # chkconfig vsftpd on # /etc/init.d/vsftpd start poof.. You have a kickstart server. Install a fedora (from CD or from this server) on a few "teamplate systems"; maybe one as an office/productivity load, one as a workstation, and maybe a general perpose server install.. then harvest each install's /root/anaconda-ks.cfg file * .. rename them ks-office.ks, ks-workstation.cfg and ks-server.cfg and put them in /var/ftp/pub on the kickstart server also.. and now when people boot off either CD1 or the 5MB boot.iso (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/images/boot.iso) and at the CD boot prompt, type: boot: linux ks=ftp://IP/pub/ks-workstation.cfg ......... and there you go.. you can install a dozen systems at once. :) *NOTE: On each of those ks files, you will need to uncomment the "clearpart" and "part" lines.. and change the install from CD based to URL/FTP based. See the docs here on how to do this: /usr/share/doc/anaconda-10.1.0.2/kickstart-docs.txt search for "--url" to jump right to the relevant section. I only mention all of this.. because my family's coming to town this weekend and I will not be there myself to assist as I would have liked to.. :( > While I'm at it, you're probably the best person to ask on this -- > what's the word on FC4? I keep hearing rumors but nothing official. > Is > it still deep in Beta, or will we get a Core 4 version soon??? Well.. I'm not "official" in any way.. But the current beta is the final beta. And my sources say to expect to hear something this next week. Oh.. wait.. here's something more official: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jun 3 00:48:55 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:26:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <429FCB8A.3040307@accd.edu> References: <429FCB8A.3040307@accd.edu> Message-ID: <200506022348.55507.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 02 June 2005 22:16, Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > Does anyone have a DVD copy of Fedora Core 3 that we can copy onto > another DVD that you know works. I have downloaded the FC2 DVD iso from > 2 different sites and both create a DVD that errors on copying the vim > package during install. I have a DVD from Negus's text but it is a 4.8g > dual layer DVD. I need a single layer DVD Fedora Core 3 DVD to make > copies from for the installfest and my class. I know short notice but I > will take good care of your DVD. I have one that I just burned. Still have the md5sum checked image. I can burn another and bring it to work with me tomorrow if you can make it up to our new building on datapoint. Maybe we could do lunch. :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jun 3 00:50:48 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:28:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav In-Reply-To: <429F91F1.4000002@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <429F91F1.4000002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <200506022350.48688.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 02 June 2005 18:10, steve kolars wrote: > Ok, I am brain dead this afternoon. What do I use to convert a wav to > mp3 and mp3 to wav? $ man sox Tweeks From scs at worldlinkisp.com Fri Jun 3 00:56:40 2005 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:34:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <200506022319.00101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> <200506022319.00101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200506022356400610.004A7939@mail.worldlinkisp.com> A little OT but, Bandera Electric uses Watt Hour meters with a a built-in RS232 transceiver that communicates via the power line to automatically read and bill the customer. Funny, CPSB still uses the meter reader in the pickup truck (opening and closing gate) to read the rural farm and ranch meters within it's service area (go figure). Imagine the accuracy and cost of a transducer would limit (if not preclude) automation of water meters by SAWS. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/2/05 at 11:19 PM tweeks wrote: <<< snip >>> > >One possability. However, some of the anti muni-wireless legislation >could >even keep people like CPS from researching and installing things like >restricted access infrastructure services such as automated electrical >meter >and water readings, residential fire warning systems, and automated >neighborhood police services. <<< snip >>> > >Tweeks >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jun 3 00:59:20 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:36:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <429FDD6A.3020008@texas.net> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> <200506022319.00101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FDD6A.3020008@texas.net> Message-ID: <6rnv91lc8rk4ajdmq2etea7eh8aprokpho@4ax.com> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:32:42 -0500, Walt DuBose wrote: >Who is kidding who about WiFi? You seem to be blinded by amateur requirements to obey specific frequencies and modulations. SBC and the other telcos aren't spending all this money on an end-run around the FCC in each of the 50 states just to prevent something with no technical possibility of working. The proposed laws do not mention specific bands or modes of operation. They are intended to prevent local governments from doing things that SBC may, at some time in the future, using equipment that may or may not exist yet, choose to offer as a commercial product or service. It's about preserving their monopoly from "unfair" public competition. In other words, it's all about money. From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Jun 3 01:20:30 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:57:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <429FDBEB.50502@texas.net> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> <1117771658.1228.3609.camel@laptop> <429FDBEB.50502@texas.net> Message-ID: <1117776031.1228.3624.camel@laptop> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 23:26, Walt DuBose wrote: My point is that I don't believe that it is of any great commercial benefit and that in time it will be in the public domain. That said, any entiry or individual has a right to Part 15 usage and no entity or individual can use or control it...unless of course the FCC says so and the discussions I have had with FCC personnel (and I will be talking to them again tomorrow in Arlington) is that they aren't going to change any part of Part 15 as it applies to WiFi operations. If a commercial entity wants to use WiFi 2.4 GHz channel 6 to "try" and make money, they can. However, that DOES NOT stop a private individual from running a free access channel 6 in the same geographical area. Nor does it stop a ham radio operator from running a 100 watt TV station at 1000 ft with a 10 dB gain omnidirectional antenna. Which you might imagine would complete make WiFi channel 6 usless. All of you need to understand that from an RF engineering standpoint, the power that you can legally run under Part 15 is tinker-toy stuff and in no way should be considered a commercial communications issue...even your puny tinker-toy cellphones run 10-15 times more power on 1.9 GHz and 2.3 GHz than a WiFi unit on the 2.4 GHz band. Any business you thinks that WiFi under Part 15 is of any real commercial value just does not understand much about RF engineering. Walt I still say it shouldn't matter Walt. In this case, a commercial operation is trying to keep public entities from putting up a public service (WiFi). Now, I don't personally agree with using tax dollars for that type of thing. But if the citizens of Dumbville, Tx agree they want to spend their tax dollars on it -- why shouldn't they be allowed to do so? Just because a company greased palms in Austin to pass a law against it? That's bullshit! So if Dumbville citizens want to put up WiFi APs in every public building to provide free service to its citizens, they should have the right to. And no commercial company should have the right to say they can't -- just to protect their bottom line. Oh and Walt, who are you kidding. When was the last time you saw a right or freedom stolen from us returned??? It doesn't matter what area or freedom -- just name one that was returned! Hell, we're still paying a 3% tax on phone bills to fund the Spanish-American war -- a war that ended 107 YEARS AGO! So, don't kid yourself and say that in time it will be back in the public domain. Once its stolen from us -- we'll never get it back. So, lets not allow a company's bottom line steal it in the first place. And I think the most important argument of them all Walt --> If the service is so useless and not commercially viable; why is SBC shelling out so much payola to get the law passed? Huh? Puzzle that one out. Why are they spending so much money if they didn't expect to earn it back??? Chuck From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 01:55:18 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jun 3 00:32:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <1117776031.1228.3624.camel@laptop> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> <1117771658.1228.3609.camel@laptop> <429FDBEB.50502@texas.net> <1117776031.1228.3624.camel@laptop> Message-ID: > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 23:26, Walt DuBose wrote: > > My point is that I don't believe that it is of any great commercial benefit and > that in time it will be in the public domain. > ...[snip]... > just does not understand much about RF engineering. > > Walt > > On 03 Jun 2005 00:20:30 -0500, Chuck wrote: > I still say it shouldn't matter Walt. In this case, a commercial > operation is trying to keep public entities from putting up a public > service (WiFi). > ...[snip]... > Why are they spending so much money if they didn't expect to earn it > back??? > > Chuck I have been pondering on this very question myself. How about this for an answer. Bottom line it is "Corporate Hubris (greed + arrogance)" but the top line is VoIP (Voice over IP). I saw a product review on a nifty little box that would serve people's Internet needs over local Wireless. It would also serve "Telephone" needs with very little change. The reviewers blasted the box because it did not offer VoIP as a "value add" service. My guess is they did not offer the VoIP service to avoid the wrath of SBC, Verizon and others. With VoIP added this little box would be a direct, viable competitor with cell phones but it would run over local Wireless networks. No money for the big boys there. The VoIP service would definitely be superior in price to land line phone service. I believe this type of box is the coming trend and the way to block it is to block the local Wireless networks. If local governments put in the Wireless infrastructure then you would have a lower cost alternative with comparable QoS (Quality of Service) to SBC, Verizon and the others. SBC, Verizon and the others want the taxpayers (you and I) to pick up the bill for building out this Wireless infrastructure. Like we did and are still doing for the old wire and pole network. Thanks, Robert From dubose at texas.net Fri Jun 3 06:06:06 2005 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Fri Jun 3 04:43:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FCFD7.2070003@texas.net> <1117771658.1228.3609.camel@laptop> <429FDBEB.50502@texas.net> <1117776031.1228.3624.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <42A02B8E.60901@texas.net> Sure wish I had time to answer all this and will when I get back from Arlington. I will be talking to FCC lawyers about this very subject. They don't feel that a state can pass a law regulating who can or cannot use a service covered by federal law (administrative law) that would say who and who could not be permitted to use a non-taraffed communications service...unless the Communications act is amended. I'll let you know more next week. Have a good InstallFest. Walt Robert Pearson wrote: >>On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 23:26, Walt DuBose wrote: >> >> My point is that I don't believe that it is of any great commercial benefit and >> that in time it will be in the public domain. >>...[snip]... >> just does not understand much about RF engineering. >> >> Walt >> >> > > On 03 Jun 2005 00:20:30 -0500, Chuck wrote: > >>I still say it shouldn't matter Walt. In this case, a commercial >>operation is trying to keep public entities from putting up a public >>service (WiFi). >>...[snip]... >>Why are they spending so much money if they didn't expect to earn it >>back??? >> >>Chuck > > > I have been pondering on this very question myself. > How about this for an answer. Bottom line it is "Corporate Hubris > (greed + arrogance)" but the top line is VoIP (Voice over IP). > I saw a product review on a nifty little box that would serve people's > Internet needs over local Wireless. It would also serve "Telephone" > needs with very little change. The reviewers blasted the box because > it did not offer VoIP as a "value add" service. > My guess is they did not offer the VoIP service to avoid the wrath of > SBC, Verizon and others. With VoIP added this little box would be a > direct, viable competitor with cell phones but it would run over local > Wireless networks. No money for the big boys there. The VoIP service > would definitely be superior in price to land line phone service. I > believe this type of box is the coming trend and the way to block it > is to block the local Wireless networks. > If local governments put in the Wireless infrastructure then you would > have a lower cost alternative with comparable QoS (Quality of Service) > to SBC, Verizon and the others. SBC, Verizon and the others want the > taxpayers (you and I) to pick up the bill for building out this > Wireless infrastructure. Like we did and are still doing for the old > wire and pole network. > > Thanks, > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From roypittman at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 3 09:19:47 2005 From: roypittman at sbcglobal.net (Roy Pittman) Date: Fri Jun 3 07:57:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] WIFI for sale? Message-ID: <42A058F3.1030801@sbcglobal.net> The link didn't work for me. Do you have any more information on this? Roy Message: 10 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:05:32 -0500 From: Tom Weeks Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report To: xcssa@xcssa.org, satlug@satlug.org Message-ID: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" A way to take action against the big telco's who are trying to own wifi in America. Both at the state and federal levels. Tweeks (snip) http://cu.convio.net/stand_tall_texas Best, Tim --------- From gboswell at accd.edu Fri Jun 3 09:35:55 2005 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Fri Jun 3 08:13:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora Core 3 Message-ID: <42A05CBB.1060501@accd.edu> > > >Message: 3 >Date: 02 Jun 2005 22:47:12 -0500 >From: Chuck >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Fedora Core 3 >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >Message-ID: <1117770446.1228.3589.camel@laptop> >Content-Type: text/plain > >I've got one Boz. Only done a single install from the DVD, but it went >right as far as I remember. Want me to bring it Saturday morning??? > > >Chuck > > > > Chuck that would be great. I have a dvd burner at sac but only single layer so we could burn a couple on Sat. Thanks again Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ (do not take personal just my point of view) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Fri Jun 3 12:16:42 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Fri Jun 3 10:53:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav In-Reply-To: <200506022350.48688.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200506031553.j53FrmY10062@alamo.satlug.org> I used to use winamp.... Now I'm using adobe audition Dean -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of tweeks Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:51 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] wav to mp3/mp3 to wav On Thursday 02 June 2005 18:10, steve kolars wrote: > Ok, I am brain dead this afternoon. What do I use to convert a wav to > mp3 and mp3 to wav? $ man sox Tweeks _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mike at nerone.org Fri Jun 3 12:22:06 2005 From: mike at nerone.org (Mike Nerone) Date: Fri Jun 3 10:59:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] WIFI for sale? In-Reply-To: <42A058F3.1030801@sbcglobal.net> References: <42A058F3.1030801@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <42A083AE.70503@nerone.org> Link works for me. Mike Nerone Roy Pittman wrote: > The link didn't work for me. Do you have any more information on this? > Roy > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:05:32 -0500 > From: Tom Weeks > Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report > To: xcssa@xcssa.org, satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > A way to take action against the big telco's who are trying to own > wifi in > America. Both at the state and federal levels. > > Tweeks > > (snip) > > > > http://cu.convio.net/stand_tall_texas > > Best, > > Tim > --------- > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From gboswell at accd.edu Fri Jun 3 17:37:31 2005 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Fri Jun 3 15:14:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest count Message-ID: <42A0BF8B.5050304@accd.edu> So far the following are planning to help in the Installfest. Ralph Oxhandler ... The Man in charge Storey Clamp Don Wright Chuck Tetlow Jim Wells Steve Kolars Otheniel Grachien The Pres. In Tux and Bowtie .... and at 8:59 We have 10 scheduled at 9am, and 5 at 10am. There are a few from SATLUG also coming to be installed and at least three with unresolved issues on a Linux box. We should be done by noon at the latest. I'm bringing refreshment for the workers at 8:30. Could use a couple more trouble shooters. Have one with SuSE 9.3 on a laptop needing some advice. I will have SuSE 9.3 for installing anlong with RH and Fedora Core 3. Thanks to all Boz From ziriax at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 21:05:30 2005 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:42:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest count In-Reply-To: <42A0BF8B.5050304@accd.edu> References: <42A0BF8B.5050304@accd.edu> Message-ID: <31bde60e050603180520cd5fbc@mail.gmail.com> Looks like I'll be able to come if there's still room. John Z. On 6/3/05, Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > So far the following are planning to help in the Installfest. > Ralph Oxhandler ... The Man in charge > Storey Clamp > Don Wright > Chuck Tetlow > Jim Wells > Steve Kolars > Otheniel Grachien The Pres. In Tux and Bowtie .... and at 8:59 > > We have 10 scheduled at 9am, and 5 at 10am. There are a few from SATLUG > also coming to be installed and at least three with unresolved issues on > a Linux box. We should be done by noon at the latest. I'm bringing > refreshment for the workers at 8:30. Could use a couple more trouble > shooters. Have one with SuSE 9.3 on a laptop needing some advice. I > will have SuSE 9.3 for installing anlong with RH and Fedora Core 3. > > Thanks to all > Boz > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- John From afcasta at texas.net Fri Jun 3 22:20:57 2005 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Fri Jun 3 20:58:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <429FDD6A.3020008@texas.net> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <200506022319.00101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FDD6A.3020008@texas.net> Message-ID: <1117858857.4456.26.camel@linux> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 23:32 -0500, Walt DuBose wrote: > Again, WiFi at 2.4 GHZ is tinker-toy stuff. Any serious commercial use of the > equipment is asking for a big surprise.i I guess that's why Fortune 500 companies have been using it throughout their headquarters buildings for years. It surely did make life easier for us to manage over 100 servers when we could walk into the computer room with a WiFi equipped laptop and work on our servers without having to plug into ethernet ports a couple dozen different times. Somehow I might have had a hard time getting the gigabit routers to wait for telegraph key responses. I was in a NOC last week, watching a contractor configure a baker's dozen of those small form factor Shuttle XPC's with a stripped down Fedora Linux [1] to be wireless firewalls for BAMC and other Army Medical facilities. We couldn't use WiFi for security reasons before this contractor's company sold the idea to the DOD. You can order the XPC with a wireless NIC already installed without using one of the few card slots available. [1] Oh sorry... maybe the Linux ref appeared like a shameless attempt to bring this discussion on topic, but I was really impressed by the little wireless firewalls. [...] (Walt again....) > >>Additionally, it is too low power > >>to be of any real use... [...] > >>I just don't see any future in it. I believe that after the initial craze, > >>it will become as is the 11 Meter CB today...a toy and really usless > >>serious communications tool. (Tweeks replies...) > > Well I'm working with a non-profit here in town to "beam" a wifi signal 2 > > miles into a poor/low income neighborhood (that can't get other broadband > > from RR/SBC) to give them internet access (and computers running Linux). > > > > That's not useless. I'd say the initial craze died a few years ago, after people refused to pay for the exhorbitantly priced Cisco WAPs and other companies started selling to the SOHO market. As far as Tom's mention of beaming WiFi, it's already being done into Sebastopol, California: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/05/03/longshot.html with one hop reaching over 20 miles. But then, this network's been providing Internet access to folks who have no other broadband access for only 4 years, so it probably wouldn't be considered by any self respecting ham op. Al Castanoli From scs at worldlinkisp.com Fri Jun 3 23:18:18 2005 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Fri Jun 3 21:55:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet Message-ID: <200506032218180700.004B90BA@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Anyone have experience with a HP LJ 4000 printer ? Am considering one, and wonder how it stacks up against the older HP LJ 4. 1. My concerns are, reliability, logistic support, and sturdiness. 2. Is there something one to be aware of and check for ? Comments welcome, either here or direct ( scs @ wireweb.net ) TIA. Lou From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jun 3 23:48:57 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Jun 3 22:26:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: <200506032218180700.004B90BA@mail.worldlinkisp.com> References: <200506032218180700.004B90BA@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:18:18 -0500, "Louis Warnholtz" wrote: >Anyone have experience with a HP LJ 4000 printer ? http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_4000 Most HP laser printers talk standard languages (PCL, Postscript) and thus have good support within the Linux community. Since there are so many around, most of them are also well supported with factory and third-party supplies. You should check the printer specifications (hardcopy or website) to see if the recommended number of pages per month fits with your expected usage. Exceeding this duty cycle will seriously reduce the expected service life. For heavier users the typical plan is to get an inexpensive printer that has the features you need (color, paper handling, etc.) and then budget to replace it regularly when you wear it out. This is almost always cheaper than getting a big, fast printer and a long service contract. Regards, --Don From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sat Jun 4 00:08:43 2005 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Fri Jun 3 22:46:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: <200506032218180700.004B90BA@mail.worldlinkisp.com> References: <200506032218180700.004B90BA@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <42A1294B.4000502@futuretechsolutions.com> As a tech that has had to service many of theese machines, I would have to give them a very good approval rating. As for your concerns. 1. The machines are real workhorses. Very sturdy. HP still provides parts for this model. 2. Print out a configuration page from the printer. It should tell you when it was last serviced. Theese machines typically go around 200,000 pages or so between maintenance kits. The maintenance kits contain a fuser, transfer roller, and all the feed rollers likely to wear out. The machine will get grumpy if you don't replace it by around 250,000 pages. Depending on the environment the machine is in, you may need to replace feed rollers between maintenance kits, but those are a simple matter. Maintenance kit is also easy to replace, hard part of that is resetting the maintenance counter. Aside from maintenance kits and feed rollers, those machines very rarely see service techs. Charles Louis Warnholtz wrote: >Anyone have experience with a HP LJ 4000 printer ? > >Am considering one, and wonder how it stacks up against the older HP LJ 4. > >1. My concerns are, reliability, logistic support, and sturdiness. > >2. Is there something one to be aware of and check for ? > >Comments welcome, either here or direct ( scs @ wireweb.net ) > >TIA. > >Lou > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From richhsuberg at stic.net Sat Jun 4 01:16:17 2005 From: richhsuberg at stic.net (RS) Date: Fri Jun 3 23:53:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: <42A1294B.4000502@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: I would agree, being another tech that works on these as well. Before purchase, look at the fuser (at the back of the machine) to see if the film is torn. It doesn't rip too often on this series, but I have seen it. The rollers in the front of the trays are another point to check to see about. Consider them like car tires. If they are worn smooth, they need to be replaced (easy to do), but I have seen some of these machines go thru 2 sets of rollers by the time the maintenance kit comes due. Other than that, I have seen very few machines need work for the number of machines in use. Richard -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Charles D Hogan Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:09 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List; scs@worldlinkisp.com Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet As a tech that has had to service many of theese machines, I would have to give them a very good approval rating. As for your concerns. 1. The machines are real workhorses. Very sturdy. HP still provides parts for this model. 2. Print out a configuration page from the printer. It should tell you when it was last serviced. Theese machines typically go around 200,000 pages or so between maintenance kits. The maintenance kits contain a fuser, transfer roller, and all the feed rollers likely to wear out. The machine will get grumpy if you don't replace it by around 250,000 pages. Depending on the environment the machine is in, you may need to replace feed rollers between maintenance kits, but those are a simple matter. Maintenance kit is also easy to replace, hard part of that is resetting the maintenance counter. Aside from maintenance kits and feed rollers, those machines very rarely see service techs. Charles Louis Warnholtz wrote: >Anyone have experience with a HP LJ 4000 printer ? > >Am considering one, and wonder how it stacks up against the older HP LJ 4. > >1. My concerns are, reliability, logistic support, and sturdiness. > >2. Is there something one to be aware of and check for ? > >Comments welcome, either here or direct ( scs @ wireweb.net ) > >TIA. > >Lou > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Jun 4 04:18:19 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Jun 4 02:54:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest HELP In-Reply-To: <200506022343.26341.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <429E2AC8.400@accd.edu> <200506020054.15590.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1117693870.1252.3525.camel@laptop> <200506022343.26341.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1117873099.13376.96.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 23:43 -0500, tweeks wrote: > Well.. I'm not "official" in any way.. But the current beta is the final beta. > And my sources say to expect to hear something this next week. > Oh.. wait.. here's something more official: > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ According to the Fedora Test list, release is pushed back to June 13th. Thomas From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Jun 4 10:40:06 2005 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Sat Jun 4 09:17:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: <42A1294B.4000502@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <200506032218180700.004B90BA@mail.worldlinkisp.com> <42A1294B.4000502@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <200506040940060610.00512948@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Appreciate all the comments, thanks. Am a light user, strictly back and white, and usually do all my repair and preventive maintenance. Have a couple of DJ 540s for routine printing.. I've had a HP LJ4 a couple of months now, works good, but in the self test mode the printing fades out on the last half inch from the right hand border,.guess this is the fuser, the 98 toner cartridge in new. Am considering the LJ4000 as a newer generation backup, and available outside support (if needed). Any idea what a good average price is (realize it varies based on condition) ? Also, can anyone tell me how to get inside the hp deskjet 540, ? Am sure I can fix a ratcheting problem once I can see what's going on. Tried, but can't find the secret to getting the case off, and don't want to break something, am a little ham handed (no offense Walt). TIA again. <<< snip >>> From ramadoss at gbronline.com Sat Jun 4 13:01:27 2005 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Sat Jun 4 11:38:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: <200506032218180700.004B90BA@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20050604115747.063dae80@mail.gbronline.com> I always had HP Laserjets and everyone of them has performed very well. Parts and supplies are easy find and reasonably priced. Based on my experience, I would always buy the fastest printer I can afford. I want machines to wait one men and women and not the other way around. I also second all the other opinions you got here. I may even have a service manual on a pdf file for the machine. Check with me if you buy the printer. BTW, I saw couple of them in the last Computer Show as well. mkr At 10:18 PM 06/03/05 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone have experience with a HP LJ 4000 printer ? > >Am considering one, and wonder how it stacks up against the older HP LJ 4. > >1. My concerns are, reliability, logistic support, and sturdiness. > >2. Is there something one to be aware of and check for ? > >Comments welcome, either here or direct ( scs @ wireweb.net ) > >TIA. > >Lou -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 06/02/05 From richhsuberg at stic.net Sat Jun 4 13:49:23 2005 From: richhsuberg at stic.net (RS) Date: Sat Jun 4 12:26:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: <200506040940060610.00512948@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: Fusers won't cause print to fade like what you are describing. Fusers could cause smearing across the whole page, or usually repeating the image down the middle of the page. First culprint:toner cart (you said you replaced). Next culprit: dirty scanner lens or transfer roller. Most older deskjets come apart with a #T-10 (usually 2 screws), and prying in the right spot from the bottom. What kind of problem are you having with the deskjet? Richard -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Louis Warnholtz Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:40 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet Appreciate all the comments, thanks. Am a light user, strictly back and white, and usually do all my repair and preventive maintenance. Have a couple of DJ 540s for routine printing.. I've had a HP LJ4 a couple of months now, works good, but in the self test mode the printing fades out on the last half inch from the right hand border,.guess this is the fuser, the 98 toner cartridge in new. Am considering the LJ4000 as a newer generation backup, and available outside support (if needed). Any idea what a good average price is (realize it varies based on condition) ? Also, can anyone tell me how to get inside the hp deskjet 540, ? Am sure I can fix a ratcheting problem once I can see what's going on. Tried, but can't find the secret to getting the case off, and don't want to break something, am a little ham handed (no offense Walt). TIA again. <<< snip >>> _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sat Jun 4 14:49:33 2005 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Sat Jun 4 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A1F7BD.8000703@futuretechsolutions.com> Richard's spot on on what I would check with the LJ4. If the DeskJet is making anywhere from a light clicking noise to a loud annoying banging sound when the carraige is sliding back and forth, then most likely lubricating the carraige rail will take care of your problem. Quick check is to see how dry the bar feels. I've found tri-flow synthetic oil does quite well at handling this type of problem, you should be able to find it at either WalMart or a local bicycle shop for a couple of bucks or so. Charles RS wrote: >Fusers won't cause print to fade like what you are describing. Fusers could >cause smearing across the whole page, or usually repeating the image down >the middle of the page. First culprint:toner cart (you said you replaced). >Next culprit: dirty scanner lens or transfer roller. > >Most older deskjets come apart with a #T-10 (usually 2 screws), and prying >in the right spot from the bottom. What kind of problem are you having with >the deskjet? > >Richard > >-----Original Message----- >From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On >Behalf Of Louis Warnholtz >Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:40 AM >To: satlug@satlug.org >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet > > >Appreciate all the comments, thanks. > >Am a light user, strictly back and white, and usually do all my repair and >preventive maintenance. Have a couple of DJ 540s for routine printing.. > >I've had a HP LJ4 a couple of months now, works good, but in the self test >mode the printing fades out on the last half inch from the right hand >border,.guess this is the fuser, the 98 toner cartridge in new. > >Am considering the LJ4000 as a newer generation backup, and available >outside support (if needed). > >Any idea what a good average price is (realize it varies based on condition) >? > >Also, can anyone tell me how to get inside the hp deskjet 540, ? Am sure I >can fix a ratcheting problem once I can see what's going on. Tried, but >can't find the secret to getting the case off, and don't want to break >something, am a little ham handed (no offense Walt). > >TIA again. > ><<< snip >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Jun 4 17:51:12 2005 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Sat Jun 4 16:28:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200506041651120450.00488DEA@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Thanks guys. LJ 4 I'll take a look at the transfer roller and see if it needs cleaning. Had been using regular Deskjet paper in the LJ4, noticed when I switched to Office Max, Max Brite laser paper the contrast improved, however , it's starting to have paper jams, perhaps there's an adjustment. ------------- Deskjet 540 When printing it randomly makes a rachetting noise followed by a bang. Sounds like some gears slipping, or some teeth are missing (from the drive or the belt). Occasionally it will stopping printing normally in the middle of a page and print a line of gibberish . Cure is to shut it down for a few minutes (doesn't always work). I guess that it's somehow memory related. <<<< snip >>>> ><<< snip >>>> ______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From ramadoss at gbronline.com Sat Jun 4 17:56:20 2005 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Sat Jun 4 16:33:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet In-Reply-To: References: <200506040940060610.00512948@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20050604165518.02f75b20@mail.gbronline.com> I would still try another cartridge before replacing anything. mkr At 12:49 PM 06/04/05 -0500, you wrote: >Fusers won't cause print to fade like what you are describing. Fusers could >cause smearing across the whole page, or usually repeating the image down >the middle of the page. First culprint:toner cart (you said you replaced). >Next culprit: dirty scanner lens or transfer roller. > >Most older deskjets come apart with a #T-10 (usually 2 screws), and prying >in the right spot from the bottom. What kind of problem are you having with >the deskjet? > >Richard > >-----Original Message----- >From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On >Behalf Of Louis Warnholtz >Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:40 AM >To: satlug@satlug.org >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware, HP 4000 Laser Jet > > >Appreciate all the comments, thanks. > >Am a light user, strictly back and white, and usually do all my repair and >preventive maintenance. Have a couple of DJ 540s for routine printing.. > >I've had a HP LJ4 a couple of months now, works good, but in the self test >mode the printing fades out on the last half inch from the right hand >border,.guess this is the fuser, the 98 toner cartridge in new. > >Am considering the LJ4000 as a newer generation backup, and available >outside support (if needed). > >Any idea what a good average price is (realize it varies based on condition) >? > >Also, can anyone tell me how to get inside the hp deskjet 540, ? Am sure I >can fix a ratcheting problem once I can see what's going on. Tried, but >can't find the secret to getting the case off, and don't want to break >something, am a little ham handed (no offense Walt). > >TIA again. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 06/04/05 From othniel at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 20:17:32 2005 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Sat Jun 4 18:54:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] has anyone used bind 9.0 for windows active directory. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24b598f605060417175ad108a4@mail.gmail.com> You are mixing pineapples and bananas by asking this question --especially in a Linux forum. If you want to use bind nine, then you should pair it with OpenLDAP and you have no further need for AD or windows. SLES makes this point-and-click easy. On 6/1/05, Dave Hyde wrote: > I am trying to set up a windows active directory with bind nine anyone > have experience with this. > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From dvmail at texas.net Sun Jun 5 02:39:09 2005 From: dvmail at texas.net (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Sun Jun 5 00:16:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] package management - inter-repository compatibility Message-ID: <20050605013909.59feaaad.dvmail@texas.net> Jason, You might want to take a look at the link to "Truths and lies about mixing repositories" by Dag Wie?rs... http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/ Some good resources... http://distrowatch.com/ http://www.linuxquestions Alphabetical Directory of Linux Commands http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/ Daniel Villarreal ----begin quoted message ---- Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:12:55 -0500 From: "George, Jason" Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Question regarding Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Chuck) To: Message-ID: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF92F08A72@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you, Kevin and Chuck. So it looks like a manual patch management issue (after the 60 day eval), which will be a good learning process. I mistakenly thought that maybe the Novell distro kind of locked itself after the eval, so you couldn't update it. But that's pretty anti-Linux, huh?! Being a newbie, I crawl before I can walk- which is why I'm considering the more user-friendlier distros like Novell or Xandros. As I get more comfortable, then I'll start the school of hard knocks. For now, I'm taking the 'What About Bob' approach- baby steps, baby steps. 8^) -JG From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 18:40:07 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sun Jun 5 17:17:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] has anyone used bind 9.0 for windows active directory. In-Reply-To: <24b598f605060417175ad108a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <24b598f605060417175ad108a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f05060515401051302c@mail.gmail.com> Dave, I do not have any direct experince but I know windows 2000 Magazine came out with several articles explaining how to migrate Bind into a windows 2000 Active directory, I was amazed they were actually recommending using bind over the windows DNS server. Unfortunately I don not have my magazines anymore, wife made me throw them out, so I can only tell you to search google for the answer. I did a couple of searches for you and below are some links I found. It would appear the man issue with Windows 2000 clients registering with the DNS is the GSS-TSIG key it uses, this was apparently not implemented into Bind until version 9. http://www.oceanwave.com/technical-resources/unix-admin/nsupdate.html http://ops.ietf.org/dns/dynupd/secure-ddns-howto.html http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/dns/ch16_08.htm Zeb From dubose at texas.net Sun Jun 5 20:34:15 2005 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:11:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report In-Reply-To: <1117858857.4456.26.camel@linux> References: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <200506022319.00101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <429FDD6A.3020008@texas.net> <1117858857.4456.26.camel@linux> Message-ID: <42A39A07.9020201@texas.net> Back from Arlington... The Texas Public Utilities Commission will rule on the TELCO's request that cities not be allowed to provide free WiFi services. However, the opinion is if the agree with the TELCO's, then the cities can ask the FCC to rule as the TUC does NOT have that authority...that is authority to comtrol cities even thought is has the power to control the distribution of broadband communications. Talking to the folks in the commercial WiFi in Dallas, they thing that fiber to the home will be "required" by the TPUC and that TELCO's will have to run with that. Also, the FCC and industry leaders pointed out that two TELCO's in NY CIty and on LOng Island have removed their WiFi access points because no one was using them because of the "pay plan." The TELCO's are going for medium speed GMSK nodes through CellPhone sites as the power is much higher and the "payment method" better fits their business model. Wireless ISPs are beginning to caaptilize for WiMAX and will dump 802.11b/g. Using 802.11a/b/g in buildings IS the intended use of WiFi and will continue to expand as well as campus coverage WiFi networks. But the future of lots of free and open WiFi hotspots, even those you may have to pay for, have a murkey future according to industry leaders. One point that ALL industry leaders made and confirmed was that the ISM licensed 2.4-2.5 GHz band...will not be doen away with be the FCC because there are too many medical devices in the band. If anyone here in San Antonio would like to attend the next industry meeting, I will publish the date as soon as I know what it is. I believe it will be in October in Arlington at U.T. Arlington as usual. The registration fee is under $100. Walt Al Castanoli wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 23:32 -0500, Walt DuBose wrote: > > >>Again, WiFi at 2.4 GHZ is tinker-toy stuff. Any serious commercial use of the >>equipment is asking for a big surprise.i > > > I guess that's why Fortune 500 companies have been using it throughout > their headquarters buildings for years. It surely did make life easier > for us to manage over 100 servers when we could walk into the computer > room with a WiFi equipped laptop and work on our servers without having > to plug into ethernet ports a couple dozen different times. Somehow I > might have had a hard time getting the gigabit routers to wait for > telegraph key responses. > > I was in a NOC last week, watching a contractor configure a baker's > dozen of those small form factor Shuttle XPC's with a stripped down > Fedora Linux [1] to be wireless firewalls for BAMC and other Army > Medical facilities. We couldn't use WiFi for security reasons before > this contractor's company sold the idea to the DOD. You can order > the XPC with a wireless NIC already installed without using one of > the few card slots available. > > [1] Oh sorry... maybe the Linux ref appeared like a shameless attempt > to bring this discussion on topic, but I was really impressed > by the little wireless firewalls. > > [...] > > > (Walt again....) > >>>>Additionally, it is too low power >>>>to be of any real use... > > > [...] > > >>>>I just don't see any future in it. I believe that after the initial craze, >>>>it will become as is the 11 Meter CB today...a toy and really usless >>>>serious communications tool. > > > (Tweeks replies...) > >>>Well I'm working with a non-profit here in town to "beam" a wifi signal 2 >>>miles into a poor/low income neighborhood (that can't get other broadband >>>from RR/SBC) to give them internet access (and computers running Linux). >>> >>>That's not useless. > > > I'd say the initial craze died a few years ago, after people refused to > pay for the exhorbitantly priced Cisco WAPs and other companies started > selling to the SOHO market. > > As far as Tom's mention of beaming WiFi, it's already being done into > Sebastopol, California: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/05/03/longshot.html > > with one hop reaching over 20 miles. But then, this network's been > providing Internet access to folks who have no other broadband access > for only 4 years, so it probably wouldn't be considered by any self > respecting ham op. > > Al Castanoli > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From dubose at texas.net Mon Jun 6 07:26:46 2005 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Mon Jun 6 06:04:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] WIFI for sale? In-Reply-To: <42A083AE.70503@nerone.org> References: <42A058F3.1030801@sbcglobal.net> <42A083AE.70503@nerone.org> Message-ID: <42A432F6.70104@texas.net> I think that the best way to "control" the Telco's in Texas is by individually lobbying the Texas Public Utilities Commission as they have control over the distribution of broadband Internet in the state...this is one case where the state when asked by the FCC if they wanted to keep home rule in telecommunications opted to do so. So in the case of TExas ans 2 or 3 other states, we have the major say-so in telecommunications. Walt >>Message: 10 >>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:05:32 -0500 >>From: Tom Weeks >>Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd:From the Quorum Report >>To: xcssa@xcssa.org, satlug@satlug.org >>Message-ID: <200506022105.32645.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >>A way to take action against the big telco's who are trying to own >>wifi in >>America. Both at the state and federal levels. >> >>Tweeks >> >>(snip) >> >> >> >>http://cu.convio.net/stand_tall_texas >> >>Best, >> >>Tim >>--------- >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SATLUG mailing list >>SATLUG@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From gboswell at accd.edu Mon Jun 6 13:29:17 2005 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Mon Jun 6 12:06:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest question Message-ID: <42A487ED.9000904@accd.edu> First a BIG thanks to all of you that helped out at the Installfest. I was the most successful in recent history. Special Thanks to: Ralph Oxhandler (Fearless Leader as always) Jim Wells (Had one special install ++) Othniel Graichen (with out Bowtie) Cheryl Holgate (help us keep going ) Don Wright (Never had a free moment, SAC is going to adopt you Don) John Mashl (What was on that Note book John) John Pappas (kept Othniel busy, Thanks John) Nathaniel Durr (handled the Weird, SATA/IDE one and one Very Special Install!) John Ziriex (was every where) The problem success install just wrote me: >Mr. Boswell, > >I came home and decided to fight w/ this machine again. I totally wiped >what I had installed at the installfest and started again. I am the guy >w/ the Serial ATA drive running XP and trying Linux on the secondary IDE >drive. This is what I did I wiped the install of FC3 on the IDE drive >and recreated my partitions and restarted the install. This time I >chose to change the advanced boot loader questions and chose to install >GRUB on the MBR located on the SDA drive which is the primary Serial ATA >drive, instead of on the HDA drive the one Linux is to be installed on. >Well to make a long story short, I completed the install and rebooted. >What do you know I got the GRUB screen asking if I wanted to boot into >FC3 or WinXP! I tried both and they both worked and booted wonderfully. >No need to tweak the BIOS or anything, both booted just fine. Wow was I >happy :) ! All worked great no problem whatsoever in FC3. I was then >prompted to perform some updates and I did so. > >The only problem now is I have lost my audio. When I right click the >speaker in the upper right-hand corner I get this: Sorry, no mixer >elements and/or devices found. When checking the sound card detection >it sees it and recognizes it, but still it will not allow me to get any >sound from it, and also it WILL play the test sound. But when checking >the speaker in the upper right hand corner the same error populates. >Hopefully you have some suggestions on this. > Any suggestions? -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ (do not take personal just my point of view) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 6 19:00:57 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Jun 6 17:38:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <42A487ED.9000904@accd.edu> Message-ID: <200506062300.j56N0vTb030838@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Perhaps a permission problem with /dev/dsp* or /dev/mixer* Does it work as root? If so, chmod 666 /dev/dsp* may work. -Borries > > First a BIG thanks to all of you that helped out at the Installfest. I > was the most successful in recent history. Special Thanks to: > Ralph Oxhandler (Fearless Leader as always) > Jim Wells (Had one special install ++) > Othniel Graichen (with out Bowtie) > Cheryl Holgate (help us keep going ) > Don Wright (Never had a free moment, SAC is going to adopt you Don) > John Mashl (What was on that Note book John) > John Pappas (kept Othniel busy, Thanks John) > Nathaniel Durr (handled the Weird, SATA/IDE one and one Very Special > Install!) > John Ziriex (was every where) > > > The problem success install just wrote me: > > > >Mr. Boswell, > > > >I came home and decided to fight w/ this machine again. I totally wiped > >what I had installed at the installfest and started again. I am the guy > >w/ the Serial ATA drive running XP and trying Linux on the secondary IDE > >drive. This is what I did I wiped the install of FC3 on the IDE drive > >and recreated my partitions and restarted the install. This time I > >chose to change the advanced boot loader questions and chose to install > >GRUB on the MBR located on the SDA drive which is the primary Serial ATA > >drive, instead of on the HDA drive the one Linux is to be installed on. > >Well to make a long story short, I completed the install and rebooted. > >What do you know I got the GRUB screen asking if I wanted to boot into > >FC3 or WinXP! I tried both and they both worked and booted wonderfully. > >No need to tweak the BIOS or anything, both booted just fine. Wow was I > >happy :) ! All worked great no problem whatsoever in FC3. I was then > >prompted to perform some updates and I did so. > > > >The only problem now is I have lost my audio. When I right click the > >speaker in the upper right-hand corner I get this: Sorry, no mixer > >elements and/or devices found. When checking the sound card detection > >it sees it and recognizes it, but still it will not allow me to get any > >sound from it, and also it WILL play the test sound. But when checking > >the speaker in the upper right hand corner the same error populates. > >Hopefully you have some suggestions on this. > > > > Any suggestions? > > -- > Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu > San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 > > A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ > (do not take personal just my point of view) > > "We make a living by what we Get. > We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From wmail at wricomp.com Mon Jun 6 22:52:49 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon Jun 6 21:30:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:39:54 +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Debian Project http://www.debian.org/ Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released press@debian.org June 6th, 2005 http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 3.1 codenamed ``sarge'' after nearly three years of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures, includes KDE, GNOME and GNUstep desktop environments, features cryptographic software, is compatible with the FHS v2.3, and supports software developed for the LSB. With the development of the new debian-installer, this release features a new, modular and sophisticated installation routine with integrated hardware detection and unattended installation capabilities. The installation is available in about thirty languages and includes configuration of the X server for many graphic cards. The task selection system has been revamped and made more flexible. The debconf tool has been integrated into most packages that need to be configured and makes this easier and more user friendly. Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media such as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks, a few floppies, or from the network. It can be downloaded now, and will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from numerous vendors . Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A total of eleven architectures are supported, including Motorola 68k (m68k), Sun SPARC (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm) and IBM S/390 (s390). This release includes a number of up-to-date large software packages, such as the K Desktop Environment 3.3 (KDE), the GNOME desktop environment 2.8, the GNUstep desktop, XFree86 4.3.0, GIMP 2.2.6, Mozilla 1.7.8, Galeon 1.3.20, Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2, Firefox 1.0.4, PostgreSQL 7.4.7, MySQL 4.0.24 and 4.1.11a, GNU Compiler Collection 3.3.5 (GCC), Linux kernel versions 2.4.27 and 2.6.8, Apache 1.3.33 and 2.0.54, Samba 3.0.14, Python 2.3.5 and 2.4.1, Perl 5.8.4 and much more. This is the first Debian release that includes OpenOffice.org (1.1.3). It also features cryptographic software integrated in the main distribution. OpenSSH and GNU Privacy Guard are included in the default installation, and strong encryption is present in web browsers, web servers, databases, and many other applications available in this release. Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 includes the efforts of the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux, Debian-Med and Debian-Accessibility sub-projects which boosted the number of educational packages and those with a medical affiliation as well as packages designed especially for people with disabilities. Upgrades to Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 from the previous release Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 codenamed ``woody'' are automatically handled by the aptitude package management tool, and to a certain degree also by the apt-get package management tool. As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be upgraded painlessly, in place, without any forced downtime. For detailed instructions about installing and upgrading Debian GNU/Linux, please see the release notes . About Debian ------------ Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system, developed by more than thousand volunteers from all over the world who collaborate via the Internet. Debian's dedication to Free Software, its non-profit nature, and its open development model make it unique among GNU/Linux distributions. The Debian project's key strengths are its volunteer base, its dedication to the Debian Social Contract, and its commitment to provide the best operating system possible. Debian 3.1 is another important step in that direction. Contact Information ------------------- For further information, please visit the Debian web pages at or send mail to . From me at jchampion.com Mon Jun 6 23:13:20 2005 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Mon Jun 6 21:50:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released References: Message-ID: <004d01c56b0e$db416f60$0200a8c0@blackhole1> awesome...can someone here mirror it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wright" To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released > On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:39:54 +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Debian Project http://www.debian.org/ > Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released press@debian.org > June 6th, 2005 http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released > > The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian > GNU/Linux version 3.1 codenamed ``sarge'' after nearly three years of > constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which > supports a total of eleven processor architectures, includes KDE, GNOME > and GNUstep desktop environments, features cryptographic software, is > compatible with the FHS v2.3, and supports software developed for the LSB. > > With the development of the new debian-installer, this release features > a new, modular and sophisticated installation routine with integrated > hardware detection and unattended installation capabilities. The > installation is available in about thirty languages and includes > configuration of the X server for many graphic cards. > > The task selection system has been revamped and made more flexible. The > debconf tool has been integrated into most packages that need to be > configured and makes this e