From jsmith at torchlighttech.com Tue Nov 1 07:33:58 2005 From: jsmith at torchlighttech.com (J.A.Smith) Date: Tue Nov 1 09:09:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Petition restated Message-ID: <20051101153359.84954.qmail@host312.ipowerweb.com> My apologies, my old petition was deleted so I am resending it and ask for support in taking on the software industry to get more Windows software titles and games for Linux. If you want Linux to evolve, please sisn this and we'll get it to the major companies. Thanks http://www.petitiononline.com/gws4l/petition.html Regards, J. A. Smith Torchlight Technologies 12915 Jones Maltsberger Ste 521 San Antonio, Texas 78247 Tel: (210)-490-4053 Fax: (210)-490-9976 Mobile: (210)-323-8119 From rct at gherkin.frus.com Tue Nov 1 15:04:42 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Tue Nov 1 14:38:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] migrating to new hard drive Message-ID: <20051101210442.89FF6DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> We may have recently beaten this to death, but I don't think my particular question was covered :-). In the old days, whenever I wanted to upgrade my notebook hard drive, the guaranteed-to-work solution was to find a pair of 2.5"-to-3.5" drive adapters, hook up the old and new drives in a desktop system (in place of the normal system drives), boot the desktop on a Ghost CD, and perform the transfer. Absolutely seamless... No surprises. Today, I don't have the 2.5"-to-3.5" adapters, but I *do* have a couple of 2.5" external USB 2.0 drive enclosures on order. Only "gotcha" is that most of the commercial drive cloning software seems to be DOS-centric (won't see USB hard drives) or Windows-centric (*will* see the USB drives, and do "bad things" if bootable Windows partitions are found). So, a Linux solution is probably best here: anyone have any experience with g4u/g4l? Theoretical game plan is to boot on the latest g4l ISO image (w/USB hard drive support) and use that to copy the old (smaller) drive to the new (larger) one, install the new drive in the notebook, make sure everything that was bootable is still bootable, then use Partition Magic to resize everything and fill the unallocated space on the new drive. Anyone see a fatal flaw here? The crucial evidence of things going right would seem to be (a) new disk boots, and (b) partition table is correct with lots of unallocated space available. The partition table being "almost" correct is generally cool, as Partition Magic does an amazing job of fixing inconsistencies automatically. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sbender at humana.com Tue Nov 1 15:24:41 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Tue Nov 1 14:58:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] migrating to new hard drive In-Reply-To: <20051101210442.89FF6DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: Altex... they have the adapters. Shawn Bender Humana DSI 8119 Datapoint Dr San Antonio, TX. 78229 (210)615-3103 rct@gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 11/01/2005 03:04 PM Please respond to "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" To satlug@satlug.org cc Subject [SATLUG] migrating to new hard drive We may have recently beaten this to death, but I don't think my particular question was covered :-). In the old days, whenever I wanted to upgrade my notebook hard drive, the guaranteed-to-work solution was to find a pair of 2.5"-to-3.5" drive adapters, hook up the old and new drives in a desktop system (in place of the normal system drives), boot the desktop on a Ghost CD, and perform the transfer. Absolutely seamless... No surprises. Today, I don't have the 2.5"-to-3.5" adapters, but I *do* have a couple of 2.5" external USB 2.0 drive enclosures on order. Only "gotcha" is that most of the commercial drive cloning software seems to be DOS-centric (won't see USB hard drives) or Windows-centric (*will* see the USB drives, and do "bad things" if bootable Windows partitions are found). So, a Linux solution is probably best here: anyone have any experience with g4u/g4l? Theoretical game plan is to boot on the latest g4l ISO image (w/USB hard drive support) and use that to copy the old (smaller) drive to the new (larger) one, install the new drive in the notebook, make sure everything that was bootable is still bootable, then use Partition Magic to resize everything and fill the unallocated space on the new drive. Anyone see a fatal flaw here? The crucial evidence of things going right would seem to be (a) new disk boots, and (b) partition table is correct with lots of unallocated space available. The partition table being "almost" correct is generally cool, as Partition Magic does an amazing job of fixing inconsistencies automatically. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From jesse at liberto.org Tue Nov 1 15:28:33 2005 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:01:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] migrating to new hard drive In-Reply-To: <20051101210442.89FF6DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20051101210442.89FF6DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <4367DE01.2000009@liberto.org> Bob Tracy wrote: >We may have recently beaten this to death, but I don't think my >particular question was covered :-). > >In the old days, whenever I wanted to upgrade my notebook hard drive, >the guaranteed-to-work solution was to find a pair of 2.5"-to-3.5" drive >adapters, hook up the old and new drives in a desktop system (in place >of the normal system drives), boot the desktop on a Ghost CD, and >perform the transfer. Absolutely seamless... No surprises. Today, I >don't have the 2.5"-to-3.5" adapters, but I *do* have a couple of 2.5" >external USB 2.0 drive enclosures on order. Only "gotcha" is that most >of the commercial drive cloning software seems to be DOS-centric (won't >see USB hard drives) or Windows-centric (*will* see the USB drives, and >do "bad things" if bootable Windows partitions are found). > >So, a Linux solution is probably best here: anyone have any experience >with g4u/g4l? Theoretical game plan is to boot on the latest g4l ISO >image (w/USB hard drive support) and use that to copy the old (smaller) >drive to the new (larger) one, install the new drive in the notebook, >make sure everything that was bootable is still bootable, then use >Partition Magic to resize everything and fill the unallocated space on >the new drive. > >Anyone see a fatal flaw here? The crucial evidence of things going >right would seem to be (a) new disk boots, and (b) partition table is >correct with lots of unallocated space available. The partition table >being "almost" correct is generally cool, as Partition Magic does an >amazing job of fixing inconsistencies automatically. > > > I've been successful with g4l and windows 2000 ghosting. There were some problems with our corporate antivirus software though. As far as I can tell, your logic here seems fine. ~jesse From rct at gherkin.frus.com Tue Nov 1 15:46:54 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:20:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] migrating to new hard drive In-Reply-To: "from Shawn Bender at Nov 1, 2005 03:24:41 pm" Message-ID: <20051101214654.1A61DDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Shawn Bender wrote: > Altex... they have the adapters. Don't really want to go that way this time, because I'd be buying the adapters solely for the disk cloning operation, i.e., I'm not going to permanently install a puny notebook drive in a desktop system. At least with the USB enclosures, the small notebook drives have value as temporary portable storage. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rwoods at rwoods.com Tue Nov 1 16:14:26 2005 From: rwoods at rwoods.com (Ron Woods) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:47:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Using Debian(Sarge) As A Cable Router Connecting To Roadrunner In-Reply-To: <1533.208.191.194.198.1130781269.squirrel@208.191.194.198> References: <20051031114404.bqvj8hx5oiw0owkc@rwoods.com> <1533.208.191.194.198.1130781269.squirrel@208.191.194.198> Message-ID: <20051101161426.o52u1jx667lcscko@rwoods.com> Will it make any difference that my cable modem is also the phone (digital phone)? Other than when I uplug it I'll also loose my telephone. I believe it also has a battery backup (maybe 15 mins). Would I have to leave it turned off until the battery was exhausted? Thanks Ron Quoting Eli : > >> I want to replace my D-Link cable router with a Debian firewall just to >> see if I >> can do it. > > any pc should be able to connect directly to roadrunner directly. mac, > windows, linux. dhpc is all it needs. if you unplugged your d-link, then > it still has the dhcp lease given to it by timewarner. no other device > will get a dhcp lease until: 1. you plug the dlink back in and release the > ip or 2. you powercycle the cable modem > >> I've installed Debian (Sarge) and can connect to my local network via DHCP >> on >> eth1 without a problem. But when I connect my Roadrunner cable modem >> directly >> to the debian eth1 nic and reboot, Debian cannot find a DHCP server. >> >> Is there a difference between the DHCP server on my cable router and the >> DHCP >> server on the Roadrunner network? > > no. > >> >> Am I ussing the wrong type of interface (eth vs pppoe?). >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> > > pppoe is for dsl.(for auth)...cable just looks at the mac address of the > cable modem. > > e > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 16:32:53 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Tue Nov 1 16:06:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need MySQL advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please help me. I am drowning in MySQL right now. I am trying to wrap my mind around using foreign keys in some of my tables in a database I am building right now, and I am a bit unsure about the way to implement them. I have a "ins" table with the following values: +-------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | +-------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ | ins_id | int(11) | | PRI | NULL | auto_increment | | type_id | int(11) | | | 0 | | | name1 | varchar(128) | YES | | NULL | | | name2 | varchar(128) | YES | | NULL | | | address1 | varchar(128) | YES | | NULL | | | address2 | varchar(128) | YES | | NULL | | | link1 | varchar(255) | YES | | NULL | | | link2 | varchar(255) | YES | | NULL | | | phone1 | varchar(15) | YES | | NULL | | | phone2 | varchar(15) | YES | | NULL | | | parktype | int(11) | | | 0 | | | parkcost | int(11) | | | 0 | | | link_map | varchar(255) | YES | | NULL | | | link_campus | varchar(255) | YES | | NULL | | +-------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ And I would like to have type_id be a foreign key for the table and column "ins_type.type_id". Does this make sense? Can you help me? Thanks, Nathan Turnage Production Artist / Web Designer Anderson Marketing Group 210.223.6233 main 210.230.6771 direct From bamm.visscher at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 15:55:00 2005 From: bamm.visscher at gmail.com (Bamm Visscher) Date: Tue Nov 1 16:28:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need MySQL advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27492850511011455x63d6f674ob19bca25d6aeb7a7@mail.gmail.com> Should be something like: ALTER TABLE ins ADD FOREIGN KEY (type_id) REFERENCES ins_type(type_id) Make sure your ins_type.type_id is indexed already. Bammkkkk On 11/1/05, Nathan Turnage wrote: > Please help me. I am drowning in MySQL right now. I am trying to wrap > my mind around using foreign keys in some of my tables in a database I > am building right now, and I am a bit unsure about the way to implement > them. > > I have a "ins" table with the following values: > +-------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ > | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | > +-------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ > | ins_id | int(11) | | PRI | NULL | auto_increment | > | type_id | int(11) | | | 0 | | > | name1 | varchar(128) | YES | | NULL | | > | name2 | varchar(128) | YES | | NULL | | > | address1 | varchar(128) | YES | | NULL | | > | address2 | varchar(128) | YES | | NULL | | > | link1 | varchar(255) | YES | | NULL | | > | link2 | varchar(255) | YES | | NULL | | > | phone1 | varchar(15) | YES | | NULL | | > | phone2 | varchar(15) | YES | | NULL | | > | parktype | int(11) | | | 0 | | > | parkcost | int(11) | | | 0 | | > | link_map | varchar(255) | YES | | NULL | | > | link_campus | varchar(255) | YES | | NULL | | > +-------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ > > And I would like to have type_id be a foreign key for the table and > column "ins_type.type_id". Does this make sense? Can you help me? > > > Thanks, > > Nathan Turnage > Production Artist / Web Designer > Anderson Marketing Group > 210.223.6233 main > 210.230.6771 direct > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- sguil - The Analyst Console for NSM http://sguil.sf.net From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 16:57:18 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Tue Nov 1 16:30:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need MySQL advice In-Reply-To: <27492850511011455x63d6f674ob19bca25d6aeb7a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <27492850511011455x63d6f674ob19bca25d6aeb7a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <530d588c3e2d12de258c3733789a2a67@gmail.com> On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Bamm Visscher wrote: > Make sure your ins_type.type_id is indexed already. What *exactly* does this mean? I am a little new at this. Thanks, Nate From bamm.visscher at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 16:04:23 2005 From: bamm.visscher at gmail.com (Bamm Visscher) Date: Tue Nov 1 16:38:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need MySQL advice In-Reply-To: <530d588c3e2d12de258c3733789a2a67@gmail.com> References: <27492850511011455x63d6f674ob19bca25d6aeb7a7@mail.gmail.com> <530d588c3e2d12de258c3733789a2a67@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27492850511011504v6b4f509ev33211103364d6f5e@mail.gmail.com> When you created the ins_type table, did you create an index on the type_id column (SHOW INDEX FROM ins_type. The question becomes, are you sure you need to use a foreign key? Bammkkkk On 11/1/05, Nathan Turnage wrote: > On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Bamm Visscher wrote: > > > Make sure your ins_type.type_id is indexed already. > > What *exactly* does this mean? I am a little new at this. > > Thanks, > Nate > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- sguil - The Analyst Console for NSM http://sguil.sf.net From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 17:29:16 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Tue Nov 1 17:02:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need MySQL advice In-Reply-To: <27492850511011504v6b4f509ev33211103364d6f5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <27492850511011455x63d6f674ob19bca25d6aeb7a7@mail.gmail.com> <530d588c3e2d12de258c3733789a2a67@gmail.com> <27492850511011504v6b4f509ev33211103364d6f5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b78d96b3392d6fc3163e5eeb662e08@gmail.com> On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:04 PM, Bamm Visscher wrote: > When you created the ins_type table, did you create an index on the > type_id column (SHOW INDEX FROM ins_type. Yes, the type_id column is a primary key for that table. > The question becomes, are > you sure you need to use a foreign key? That is something I am asking myself. I can't find a really good explanation of the care and feeding of foreign keys, but it looks to me like I need to set them up for this project. The problem I have is that I have a table with institution information that will be posted to a website with php that contains repeated information for the name of the type of institution. So 30 institutions will have be patient institutions, 15 are another type and instead of having repeating information I was going to tie the institution type to a key in a separate table. To make things even more confusing, I have 3 or 4 columns that I want to do that with. I am reaching my frustration point and the deadline is fast approaching, so I may just lump it all in the same table. Not the best practice, I know, but if the foreign key thing doesn't solve my problem things will get complicated trying to keep up with primary keys in 4 different tables. I will hack around on it tonight (after the spurs game of course) and see what I can come up with. I am sure there will be more questions. Thanks, Nate From jgentil at sebistar.net Tue Nov 1 22:04:41 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Tue Nov 1 21:38:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need MySQL advice In-Reply-To: <00b78d96b3392d6fc3163e5eeb662e08@gmail.com> References: <27492850511011504v6b4f509ev33211103364d6f5e@mail.gmail.com> <00b78d96b3392d6fc3163e5eeb662e08@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511012204.42153.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Tuesday 01 November 2005 05:29 pm, Nathan Turnage wrote: > On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:04 PM, Bamm Visscher wrote: > > When you created the ins_type table, did you create an index on the > > type_id column (SHOW INDEX FROM ins_type. > > Yes, the type_id column is a primary key for that table. > > > The question becomes, are > > you sure you need to use a foreign key? Also it's worthy noting that foreign key constraints are useless unless you are using InnoDB. MyISAM tables allow foreign keys to be defined, but do not properly check them. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil KC9CAF PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 23:38:42 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage) Date: Tue Nov 1 23:11:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need MySQL advice In-Reply-To: <200511012204.42153.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <27492850511011504v6b4f509ev33211103364d6f5e@mail.gmail.com> <00b78d96b3392d6fc3163e5eeb662e08@gmail.com> <200511012204.42153.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: Also it's worthy noting that foreign key constraints are useless unless > you are using InnoDB. MyISAM tables allow foreign keys to be defined, > but do not properly check them. Though I had not mentioned that, the tables are innodb. I am working with some examples I found online, and the one I am working on has the foreign key also set as a primary key. Parent db ----------------------------------------- mysql> create table parent -> ( -> par_id int not null, -> primary key (par_id) -> ) type = innodb; Child db ---------------------------------------- mysql> create table child ( -> par_id int not null, -> child_id int not null, -> primary key (par_id, child_id), -> foreign key (par_id) references parent (par_id) on delete cascade -> ) type = innodb; Is that correct? The linked column in the child db needs to also be set up as a primary key? Hmmm... -Nate From jgentil at sebistar.net Tue Nov 1 23:47:29 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Tue Nov 1 23:20:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Need MySQL advice In-Reply-To: References: <200511012204.42153.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <200511012347.30106.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Tuesday 01 November 2005 11:38 pm, Nate Turnage wrote: > Parent db > ----------------------------------------- > mysql> create table parent > -> ( > -> par_id int not null, > -> primary key (par_id) > -> ) type = innodb; > > Child db > ---------------------------------------- > mysql> create table child ( > -> par_id int not null, > -> child_id int not null, > -> primary key (par_id, child_id), > -> foreign key (par_id) references parent (par_id) on delete cascade > -> ) type = innodb; > > Is that correct? The linked column in the child db needs to also be set > up as a primary key? Hmmm... It isn't really a requirement and is usually not the case. It's almost always the case that your foreign key is a primary key in the foreign table, but not (necessarily) the other way around. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil KC9CAF PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Nov 2 00:44:48 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Nov 2 00:18:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Holding a GPG Keysigning Party on November 21st Message-ID: <200511020044.48454.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> If anyone wants to participate... see here: http://xcssa.org/ (long term link here http://xcssa.org/pipermail/xcssa/2005-November/003266.html). Tweeks From lblodgett at macosx.com Wed Nov 2 15:10:11 2005 From: lblodgett at macosx.com (Larry Blodgett) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:43:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Rootkits in Windows (Can this happen to linux or unix?) Message-ID: <68d314d321524595f1053e43010d40f3@macosx.com> Here is an interesting detective job locating a very sneaky rootkit from people who should know better. It is long but very interesting. http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital- rights.html Larry lblodgett@macosx.com From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Nov 2 19:40:40 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Nov 2 19:13:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio Message-ID: <200511030140.jA31eeZX009555@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I am posting this on behalf of a colleague from UTSA: -Borries *************************************************************** PRESS RELEASE October 14, 2005 ? WHO: THE URBAN-15 GROUP WHAT: Penguin Day ? An Exploration of OpenSource Software for Non-Profits and Individuals WHEN: November 5, 2005 Time: 9 am to 5 pm Registration Begins: 8 am WHERE: URBAN-15 Studio 2500 S. Presa CONTACT: George Cisneros ???????????????????? 210-533-2912 consult www.urban15.org for a map to the URBAN-15 Studio????????? Penguin Day ? San Antonio! Salsa-Net and The URBAN-15 Group are joining forces to host the first-ever Penguin Day in San Antonio, Texas on November 5, 2005. The workshop will be held at the URBAN-15 Studios located at 2500 S. Presa. The workshops are scheduled from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. with at-door registration beginning at 8 a.m. Admission for this workshop is $50 for organizations and $25 for individuals. On-line registration begins October 15, 2005 at: Penguin Day is a one-day intensive workshop and training session designed for non-profits, governmental agencies and individuals who want to know more about the opportunities and resources in the Open-Source community. In these times of intensive budget cuts and diminishing donations, communities and organizations are struggling to maintain their critical information systems and the software used to service their clients. The need to continuously upgrade software is the source of heated conversations in Board of Directors meetings in San Antonio?s NPO workscape. During this Penguin Day, IT professionals, community organizers and computer neophytes will participate in discussing the range of issues and options involved using Free and Open Source Software (F/OSS.) Penguin Day brings clarity to questions in the development and adoption of F/OSS for non-profits and works to demystify open source software. Guest ASPIRATION Facilitators at Penguin Day will: ? Demystify free and open source software ??Communicate philosophy and ideas of open source software in plain language; ? Build networks between nonprofit technology users; ? Document accessible how-to-practices and case studies; ? Help developers find ways to support nonprofits; ? Identify specific challenges that nonprofits face in open source software deployment. Penguin Day started in Philadelphia in March 2004 by a working group of nonprofit technology organizations: Aspiration and the LINC Project with the support of IBM and the IBM Foundation. Since then, Penguin Days have taken off, driven by popular demand: local organizations and Aspiration have been hosting Penguin Days in Portland, Oregon; London, UK; Toronto, Canada, Chicago, Illinois; San Francisco, California; and New York, New York. In Fall 2005, there are Penguin Days planned for Portland, Oregon (Oct 15), Austin and San Antonio, Texas, (Nov 4 and 5), and Montreal, Canada. In the Winter and Spring of 2006, other Penguin Days will be hosted in Boston, Atlanta, and North Carolina. Topics addressed at local Penguin Days depend on the needs of participants and local nonprofits and developers and are developed in close collaboration with attendees. Sessions at past Penguin Days have included: ? Strategic Topics ? Reality check: Real world stories about non-profits using F/OSS ? Adopt an NGO: a conversation about 'Twinning Geeks' with nonprofit organization ? Migrating Your Organization towards Open Source ? Sustainability - Making the link to open source business models ? Lessons learned: A Real-Life Open Source Development Project ? For Riders: What do we need from open source software developers and why don't they just know? ? For Developers: How do we work with nonprofit IT staff and their IT providers?? ? Technical Topics ? Open source secure technology tools review ? The low-hanging fruit? Open Source Servers Made Simple ? Intro to Open Source for Non-Profits:?An Overview of Cases and Tools ? Organizing Activists Online with Open Source Tools You are invited to visit these resource sites for a full background on Penguin Days and Aspiration: www.penguinday.org www.aspirationtech.org www.nosi.net www.lincproject.org For more information you can contact George Cisneros at URBAN-15, 210-533-2912 or Dean McCall at SalsaNet, 210-422-9255? Come to Penguin Day in San Antonio (November 5.) What is a Penguin Day? Penguin Days bring together nonprofit staff, tech providers, geeks, consultants, and open source software developers for a day of learning and conversation.?? We???ll demystify open source for nonprofits, frankly address the challenges of developing open source tools, and learn about specific promising open source applications for nonprofits. ??If you are curious about open source software for your nonprofit organization, Penguin Days are for you! Register at www.penguinday.org. Who is behind Penguin Days in Texas? Texas Penguin Days are made possible by Polycot Consulting, the Austin Community College Center for Community-Based and NonProfit Organizations, Aspiration, EFF-Austin, The URBAN-15 Group and SalsaNet, and supported with in-kind support from local nonprofits and many volunteers.? What will I take away from Penguin Day? Penguin Days in Texas feature a packed agenda of interactive workshops, round tables, and "speed geeks. Topics include: * Introduction to Free and Open Source Software for Nonprofits * Local resources and who???s-who in the Texas Free/Open Source community * Helping techies and non-techies communicate * Overview of Free and Open Source desktop applications * e-Advocacy platforms * The Economics of Open Source: How free is "free?" * Selecting an Open Source operating system * Migrating your organization to Free and Open Source software * Funding, financing and sustaining an Open Source project * Creative Commons and Open Content * Speed Geek (a lively tour of projects and tools) What Are Others Saying About Penguin Days? "Penguin Day was great - I had an excellent day - made new friends, put a lot of faces to email addresses, had a whole load of fun - and got introduced to some new applications and distributions!?? Thanks again to everyone who organised the day, ran sessions etc - it made my 4,500 mile trip worthwhile!" Ian, from London, UK "Penguin Days are a fantastic opportunity to get together with a wide variety of people and understand more about the issues that surround open source.?? Unlike a lot of conference/gatherings, the emphasis in these is on meeting people and making connections that you carry out of them room.?? And that works. Marnie from San Francisco "Now on to Penguin Day??? Wow. For my part I was impressed by the international scope of the audience, folks from Great Britain, Canada, Kenya, Turkey, Ghana, Chicago and all points in between. The energy was great and the range of topics on the agenda meant there was something for everyone???.suffice it to say Penguin Day set the mark against which all other events will be measured in my mind." John from Chicago I Love It! How Can I Get Involved? Come to Texas??? Register at www.penguinday.org! Background Since 2004, Penguin Days have been held in Philadelphia, Portland, Oregon; London, England; Toronto, Canada, Chicago, San Francisco, and New York. Hundreds of nonprofit staff, programmers, and activists have attended Penguin Days.?? Penguin Days feature humorous "speed geeks" (modeled after speed-dating) to bring programmers and organizations together to change the world--one byte at a time. ?? The Penguin is the symbol adopted in the early days of Linux as the mascot of this growing software movement. Texas Penguin Days are scheduled in Austin on November 4 and San Antonio on November 5. Other upcoming Penguin Days are scheduled for Montreal, Canada on November 20.?? Please contact us if you are interested in hosting a Penguin Day in your city! To register for upcoming Penguin Days, go to www.penguinday.org. ********************************************************************** About Aspiration: Aspiration, www.aspirationtech.org, connects nonprofit organizations with software solutions that help them better carry out their work. We want nonprofit organizations to obtain and use the best software to maximize their effectiveness and impact so that they, in turn, can change the world. We identify what is available and what is missing in NGO software arena, and foster relationships, delivery systems, and sustainability strategies between NGOs around the world. From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Nov 2 22:12:55 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Nov 2 21:42:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <200511030140.jA31eeZX009555@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200511030140.jA31eeZX009555@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: So why isn't SATLUG or XCSSA a major part of this? Officers: Did anyone from PenguinDay try to contact us through the "officers" or "webmaster" email addresses? --Don >*************************************************************** >PRESS RELEASE October 14, 2005 >? >WHO: THE URBAN-15 GROUP > >WHAT: Penguin Day ? An Exploration of OpenSource Software > for Non-Profits and Individuals > >WHEN: November 5, 2005 > Time: 9 am to 5 pm > Registration Begins: 8 am > >WHERE: URBAN-15 Studio > 2500 S. Presa From storey at clamp.ws Wed Nov 2 22:29:57 2005 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Wed Nov 2 22:03:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio References: <200511030140.jA31eeZX009555@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <002c01c5e02f$4034e420$f1a8e604@aaron> > > Admission for this workshop is $50 for organizations and $25 for > individuals. On-line registration begins October 15, 2005 at: > > At $25 a head, the promoters are obviously more interested in making money than they are in installing Linux. All they are going to do is talk about it , and I'll bet they don't a single install. Storey From adam at npjh.com Wed Nov 2 22:49:51 2005 From: adam at npjh.com (Adam Flott) Date: Wed Nov 2 22:21:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a web host that supports mailing lists Message-ID: <20051102224951.e0773fc7.adam@npjh.com> Hello all, I'm a student at the University of Texas at San Antonio and we are trying to start a radio station. To communicate for starting this project up we decided on using a mailing list (mailman on a third party host) to inform everything of what is going on. Unfortunately our current setup is rather poor and failed to deliver a very important email. Thus, we need something that is reliable (i.e. can actually deliver mail), but nothing mission critical (just as long as the email gets out). What we need: -mailing list support (a web interface would be nice) -secure shell access -Perl/PHP -some sort of relational database (may not be a strict requirement, but would be nice) -running on a real platform (i.e. Unix) -little bandwidth (nothing heavy duty) -1-5 suddomains This will mainly be used to organize everyone and keep all development open to the public. Does anyone have suggestions for hosts? Fluid Hosting[1] looks like a good plan, but I haven't done much research on their reputation. I know Rackspace is in San Antonio, so maybe they would be willing to set us up on a shared server. 1. http://www.fluidhosting.com Even better, if someone would host this for free as we don't have much of a budget yet. I don't mind paying as long as it is reasonable. Please note, this is not a long term hosting deal, only until everything gets going and we can move over to the university's resources (which I'm hoping will be soon as the administration sees this as a good idea). If anyone else can help setting us up with anything else, all the help is appreciated. Thanks, Adam From mark at mccoyfam.net Wed Nov 2 23:06:36 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark McCoy) Date: Wed Nov 2 22:40:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Rootkits in Windows (Can this happen to linux or unix?) In-Reply-To: <68d314d321524595f1053e43010d40f3@macosx.com> References: <68d314d321524595f1053e43010d40f3@macosx.com> Message-ID: <43699ADC.3040509@mccoyfam.net> Read that one today. Very sneaky. I won't be buying sony products anymore (especially music). Of course, I don't already, because I got "burned" by the DRM on the minidiscs while I was in Iraq. I used my desktop at home to create a bunch of minidiscs to listen to in Iraq, and when I got over there and wanted to rearrange my songs, create different mixes and such, I found out that only the computer that created the disc could change the songs on it! Needless to say I was mad. Larry Blodgett wrote: > Here is an interesting detective job locating a very sneaky rootkit > from people who should know better. > > It is long but very interesting. > > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital- > rights.html > > Larry > lblodgett@macosx.com > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mark at mccoyfam.net Wed Nov 2 23:22:48 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark McCoy) Date: Wed Nov 2 22:56:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Using Debian(Sarge) As A Cable Router Connecting To Roadrunner In-Reply-To: <20051031114404.bqvj8hx5oiw0owkc@rwoods.com> References: <20051031114404.bqvj8hx5oiw0owkc@rwoods.com> Message-ID: <43699EA8.6030703@mccoyfam.net> Are you trying to do dhcp on both interfaces? That's not a good idea, since the clients on your local net need a static IP for the router as a default gateway and if it changes because of dhcp the clients won't be able to route through it. Give your eth1 a static address (probably the same one that your d-link used, to make things simple) and use dhcp for the eth0 (going to the cable modem), or vice versa (eth0 static and eth1 dhcp, whichever your feel more comfortable with). Once you get the interfaces connected, I recommend installing shorewall to set up the firewalling and routing. Ron Woods wrote: >I want to replace my D-Link cable router with a Debian firewall just to see if I >can do it. > >I've installed Debian (Sarge) and can connect to my local network via DHCP on >eth1 without a problem. But when I connect my Roadrunner cable modem directly >to the debian eth1 nic and reboot, Debian cannot find a DHCP server. > >Is there a difference between the DHCP server on my cable router and the DHCP >server on the Roadrunner network? > >Am I ussing the wrong type of interface (eth vs pppoe?). > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Ron Woods >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Nov 2 23:29:27 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Nov 2 23:01:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <002c01c5e02f$4034e420$f1a8e604@aaron> References: <200511030140.jA31eeZX009555@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <002c01c5e02f$4034e420$f1a8e604@aaron> Message-ID: <2i6jm1515hkfi0phmd5ori3qo3lrfsckkm@4ax.com> On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:29:57 -0600, "Storey Clamp" wrote: >At $25 a head, the promoters are obviously more interested in making money >than they are in installing Linux. All they are going to do is talk about >it , and I'll bet they don't a single install. There are various ways of thinking about that. Many people will believe something they have to pay to learn, and ignore what's free. Those already in Open Source know that "price is not value", but they aren't the Penguin Day audience. Also, don't confuse non-profit with no cash. Most non-profits have well-paid staff, especially at the top - the people making the decisions about Linux v. Microsoft. Please also note that Microsoft has some very attractive prices for nonprofit orgs. http://www.techsoup.org/stock/default.asp >From what I've read of the outline, people attending Penguin Day will get the equivalent of a $1000 weekend conference, so the cost is quite modest. (The kilobuck conference is a different rant.) It's just too bad the organizers couldn't use the Friendly Google and find the "Linux User Group" in "San Antonio" to partner with them. --Don From mark at mccoyfam.net Wed Nov 2 23:38:23 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark McCoy) Date: Wed Nov 2 23:11:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] problems with a new raid controller Message-ID: <4369A24F.1080001@mccoyfam.net> OK, here's the sit... I have an older fileserver (dual pIII/800) with built-in adaptec SCSI adapter. I'm in the process of upgrading it to an Athlon motherboard, and I have purchased an LSI Megaraid 320-1 SCSI adapter. I've heard good things about the megaraid cards, even though I've not used one before. I bought it mainly because it was inexpensive without being 'cheap' ($35 as opposed to $15). I really only need it to function as a plain SCSI controller, since right now I only have one drive to put in it. The problem is, I can't get any OS to see that thing at install time. I've tried ubuntu 5.10, Archlinux, even Solaris 10. The linux megaraid driver hangs for a long time on initialization, reports that it needs to wait up to 180 seconds for a scsi command to finish, waits 180 seconds, and then probes each combination of port/target/lun until it decides that there are no devices attached to the card. This takes a good ten minutes! Does anyone have any ideas about this card? From mark at mccoyfam.net Thu Nov 3 01:01:51 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark McCoy) Date: Thu Nov 3 00:35:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] problems with a new raid controller In-Reply-To: <4369A24F.1080001@mccoyfam.net> References: <4369A24F.1080001@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: <4369B5DF.80007@mccoyfam.net> Ok, I know the card/drive combo works now, because I just installed netbsd 2.1 on it. FreeBSD didn't work either. strange... From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Thu Nov 3 08:03:51 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Thu Nov 3 07:37:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9DEC@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> SATLUG could hang a sign on the side of a truck advertising our FREE Liux InstallFests. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Storey Clamp Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:30 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio > > Admission for this workshop is $50 for organizations and $25 for > individuals. On-line registration begins October 15, 2005 at: > > At $25 a head, the promoters are obviously more interested in making money than they are in installing Linux. All they are going to do is talk about it , and I'll bet they don't a single install. Storey _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Thu Nov 3 08:06:22 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Thu Nov 3 07:39:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9DED@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> I think because we don't maintain close commercial ties with IBM who I believe is the major backer of the project. SATLUG does tend to be a bit introverted at certain times...which IS NOT a criticism, just an observations. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Don Wright Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:13 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Cc: officers@satlug.org Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio So why isn't SATLUG or XCSSA a major part of this? Officers: Did anyone from PenguinDay try to contact us through the "officers" or "webmaster" email addresses? --Don >*************************************************************** >PRESS RELEASE October 14, 2005 >? >WHO: THE URBAN-15 GROUP > >WHAT: Penguin Day ? An Exploration of OpenSource Software > for Non-Profits and Individuals > >WHEN: November 5, 2005 > Time: 9 am to 5 pm > Registration Begins: 8 am > >WHERE: URBAN-15 Studio > 2500 S. Presa _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jesse at liberto.org Thu Nov 3 08:56:44 2005 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Thu Nov 3 08:29:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a web host that supports mailing lists In-Reply-To: <20051102224951.e0773fc7.adam@npjh.com> References: <20051102224951.e0773fc7.adam@npjh.com> Message-ID: <436A252C.30908@liberto.org> Why pay someone? If this is truly a UTSA organization go and talk to someone in ITS or whatever the IT department is called on campus. If you hit a brick wall talk to whatever faculty is behind you. You may find that they will be more than willing to help out than not. ~jesse Adam Flott wrote: >Hello all, > >I'm a student at the University of Texas at San Antonio and we are >trying to start a radio station. To communicate for starting this project up we >decided on using a mailing list (mailman on a third party host) to inform >everything of what is going on. Unfortunately our current setup is rather poor >and failed to deliver a very important email. Thus, we need something that is >reliable (i.e. can actually deliver mail), but nothing mission critical (just >as long as the email gets out). > >What we need: >-mailing list support (a web interface would be nice) >-secure shell access >-Perl/PHP >-some sort of relational database (may not be a strict requirement, but would >be nice) -running on a real platform (i.e. Unix) >-little bandwidth (nothing heavy duty) >-1-5 suddomains > > >This will mainly be used to organize everyone and keep all development open to >the public. > >Does anyone have suggestions for hosts? Fluid Hosting[1] looks like a good plan, >but I haven't done much research on their reputation. I know Rackspace is in >San Antonio, so maybe they would be willing to set us up on a shared server. > > 1. http://www.fluidhosting.com > > >Even better, if someone would host this for free as we don't have much of a >budget yet. I don't mind paying as long as it is reasonable. Please note, this >is not a long term hosting deal, only until everything gets going and we >can move over to the university's resources (which I'm hoping will be soon as >the administration sees this as a good idea). > > > >If anyone else can help setting us up with anything else, all the help is >appreciated. Thanks, > > >Adam >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 09:30:54 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Thu Nov 3 09:04:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9DED@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9DED@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: So is anyone going to go? It sounds pretty cool, but they don't give a lot of information on what will be covered at the SA show. Nathan Turnage Production Artist / Web Designer Anderson Marketing Group 210.223.6233 main 210.230.6771 direct From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 09:34:33 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Thu Nov 3 09:07:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] System compatibility analysis tools? Message-ID: <90436d680a87ffd6ac4d1527229718fa@gmail.com> Is there any kind of tool for any distro that will test the hardware for compatibility for the distro and will tell you if it will all work together? Cheers, Nathan Turnage Production Artist / Web Designer Anderson Marketing Group 210.223.6233 main 210.230.6771 direct From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 09:38:46 2005 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Thu Nov 3 09:10:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguin Day & Officers List Message-ID: <436A20F6.9000104@gmail.com> To All: There may very well have been a message sent to the officers list regarding Penguin Day, but I cannot prove it one way or the other. If you want a message to go to the officers, make sure you send it directly to Othniel. The officers@satlug list is NOT working PROPERLY. Messages sent to it from address list members ARE GOING THROUGH. Mail sent from any email address NOT on the list are supposed to be held for moderation. UNFORTUNATELY, since taking over the email list duties on 17 October, I have been UNABLE to access messages awaiting moderation for the Officers List. I continually get a "page not available" error. There seems to be no trouble with accessing other administrative sections of the list, just not the moderation section. Mailman is supposed to send an email when there are messages awaiting moderation. It is sending those messages ONLY for the SATLUG & SATLUG-ETC lists. It is NOT SENDING them for the Officers list. I do not know if it is simply overloaded with Spam and bogged down or what the problem is. I have emailed Othniel on two occasions (20 & 25 October 2005) to check the site and determine if the Officers moderation page actually exists. As of 8:00 am today, I have received NO RESPONSE. I sent the following message to him on 25 October: > Othniel, > > I just realized that SATLUG's main page says that for questions > regarding upcoming meetings to email officers@satlug. If all > messages not from members of the officers list are held for > moderation and we can't access the moderation section, don't we need > to get that fixed? > > Or at least change it to show send it to the satlug@satlug address? > At least that way, if they are signed up for the list and don't want > it sent to everyone at least they will know to send it directly to > you as president. > > Jim I have not received a response to this email either, at least as of 9 this morning. The website still says email questions regarding meetings to officers@satlug. Jim Wells From scs at worldlinkisp.com Thu Nov 3 11:20:59 2005 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 09:55:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Penguin Day Message-ID: <8a8885542c12452c80a301f9e8f25753.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Isn't George Cisneros of Urban 15 the brother of former HUD Secretary, Henry? From mitchdeacon at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 10:24:47 2005 From: mitchdeacon at yahoo.com (Mitch Deacon) Date: Thu Nov 3 11:58:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] articles on OpenOffice.org Message-ID: <20051103182447.99207.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello satlug community: I am new to this list-serve, having just moved here from California, so I apologize in advance if this has already appeared on the list. The articles below offer a review of the open source software alternative to the over-priced Microsoft Office suite. Cheers, Mitch Why OpenOffice.org 2.0 Is Your Best Choice By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols www.eweek.com Follow this link to view the article: Why OpenOffice.org 2.0 Is Your Best Choice October 20, 2005 Opinion: It's free and it works. Next question? There are many fancy reasons that OpenOffice.org is a great choice for your office work. For example, it's open source and it supports an open format document standard, OpenDocument. But let's put "openness" to the side. Let me get down to the nitty-gritty: It's free (as in free beer) and it works. What's not to like? I've been running a late beta of OpenOffice.org 2.0 on both my SuSE 9.3 and 10 Linux boxes and on Windows XP. And, you know what? It works great. I've started writing with vi on Unix and WordStar on CP/M. Over the years, I've used Lotus Word, WordPerfect and, yes, every version of Microsoft Word for Windows from 2.0 to 2003. Along the way, I've also used spreadsheets starting with VisiCalc, with many years spent on Lotus 1-2-3 and Quattro Pro and for the last five years, Microsoft Excel. I could go on, but suffice it to say, "Steven knows office software." OpenOffice.org is every bit as good as the best of all those proprietary programs?Lotus Word Pro 9.8 and Excel 2000 for my money?and in some ways it's even better. For example, OpenOffice.org supports XForms?a newish Web standard for building forms using XML?and it has excellent HTML support. If you're like a lot of people who use Microsoft FrontPage because you want a Web authoring tool that acts like a word processor, you should stop mucking about with the perpetually annoying FrontPage and move to OpenOffice.org. No, it's not an out-and-out Web authoring tool suite. For that, beginners should look to the open-source Nvu, while advanced users should head over to Macromedia's newly updated Dreamweaver. But OpenOffice.org is more than good enough for most folks, and it's free. Got a ton of stuff already in Microsoft formats? Don't sweat it. While extremely fancy documents?think legal paperwork?may not make it over from Microsoft to OpenDocument in perfect shape, the vast majority of your papers and spreadsheets will translate perfectly from one to the other. Let me put it this way: Over the last four months, I've flipped hundreds of documents and spreadsheets from Microsoft Office to OpenOffice.org and back again, and I haven't lost a font or a formula yet. The new OpenOffice.org also boasts an interface that's much more like the Microsoft Office interface. Unlike Microsoft Office, though, you can run it on Windows, Linux or Solaris and, regardless of platform, it looks and works the same. The program will keep the look of its native environment. So, if you're running it on XP, it will look like an XP application; on Linux with KDE, it will look like a KDE application, and so on. I haven't been a big fan of personal database programs for a long time now. The only one out there these days that I care for at all is Microsoft's Visual FoxPro. Yes, I can say good things about Microsoft products?when they really are good. That said, OpenOffice.org's Base Java-based HSQLDB database engine is a solid database. Its real selling point to me is that it has both good SQL and JDBC (Java Database Connect) support. In short, while I still look to FoxPro for PC-based databases, I can see using OpenOffice.org 2.0 to model a serious, server-based DBMS. The idea of even attempting that same job with Microsoft Access makes me ill. On the other hand, I found one area of Microsoft Office where it still holds the lead over OpenOffice.org: presentations. PowerPoint is just a richer application than OpenOffice.org's Impress. Don't get me wrong. Impress is a fine presentation creation program. With its new Multipane View and many more animation effects and slide transitions, it's far better than OpenOffice.org 1.1.5. For anyone who doesn't do a lot of presentations, Impress is more than enough. It's just that, in my experience, people who tend to work on presentations do a lot with them and they want every bit of power they can get their hands on. For those users, PowerPoint is still the better choice. Finally, OpenOffice.org still doesn't have a grammar checker. If you have to have one of those, however, there is another open-source word processor, AbiSource's AbiWord, which does come with one. Of course, you could get that in Microsoft Office, but let's get back to brass tacks again. OpenOffice.org's price tag: 0. Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003's list price: $499 new, $329 as an upgrade. Day in and day out office usability? For all practical purposes, they're about the same. So, which would you rather 'buy?' eWEEK.com Senior Editor Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols has been using and writing about operating systems since the late '80s and thinks he may just have learned something about them along the way. He can be reached at sjvn@ziffdavis.com. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX OpenOffice.org Releases Long-Awaited Version 2.0 www.eweek.com By Chris Preimesberger October 20, 2005 OpenOffice.org 2.0, the first office application suite to feature native support for the OASIS-approved OpenDocument file format, was released Thursday morning, one week following the project's fifth anniversary of its founding. The 2.0 final follows three beta versions?the latest released only last Friday. RC2 was released Aug. 31 after a review and repair of about 600 software bugs. OpenOffice.org 2.0 is the first stable version of the open-source office suite able to produce the new XML-based standard ODF (OpenDocument format), sanctioned internationally only last May by OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards). It also features improved interoperability with Microsoft Word formats and a fully accessible, more powerful relational database for use with financial applications, community manager Louis Suarez-Potts said. In addition to the OpenDocument format, a redesigned user interface and a new database module, OpenOffice.org 2.0 also adds improved PDF support, a superior spreadsheet module, enhanced desktop integration and several other features that take advantage of its advanced XML capabilities, such as the ability to easily create, edit and use XForms. The OpenDocument format is used to store data from desktop applications, such as word processing, presentation and spreadsheet software. It is meant to enable the free exchange of data between OpenDocument-compliant software packages. OpenDocument is also supported by Sun Microsystems's StarOffice 8, IBM, the KDE Project, and Red Hat Inc. ODF is not directly supported by Microsoft Office software. Third-party software is required to share Microsoft Office and ODF documents. OpenOffice.org 2.0 is available in 36 languages and able to run natively on Windows, Linux, Solaris, Mac OS X (X11) and several other platforms. Although the OpenDocument standard was approved only last May by OASIS, it already has garnered government support. The state of Massachusetts's CIO, Peter Quinn, declared as of Jan. 1, 2007, all electronic documents created by state employees could be saved in only two format types: OpenDocument and Adobe's PDF. "OpenOffice.org is on a path toward being the most popular office suite the world has ever seen," said Jonathan Schwartz, president and CEO of Sun Microsystems. "As a member of that community, I'd like to offer my heartiest congratulations." On Oct. 5, Sun and Google Inc. announced a new partnership to distribute each other's products. Part of that work will include Google helping to distribute OpenOffice.org. Google CEO Eric Schmidt said: "We'll work to make the distribution of it more broad," he said. OpenOffice.org will be endowed with a Google search box -- assuming the open-source community that develops it can be persuaded, to add it -- Schwartz said. That persuasion shouldn't be too hard; Sun, which made the decision to release the source code for what now is OpenOffice, still has heavy involvement in the project. Sun Chairman Scott McNealy said Google will become involved in Sun's open-source OpenSolaris. "There's a huge alignment strategy with research and development, (involving) Open Document Format, OpenOffice and OpenSolaris," he said --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Nov 3 13:44:24 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Nov 3 13:17:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] articles on OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <20051103182447.99207.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511031944.jA3JiO5h009075@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Why OpenOffice.org 2.0 Is Your Best Choice > > By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols > etc... I have been using OpenOffice 1.1.0-1.1.5 and before that staroffice 5-7 with great results. I can confirm all of the points made by Steven. While I consider myself a power user, I still am fully satisfied by what OpenOffice offers. I haven't tried 2.0 yet, but plan to do so shortly. It is definitely production quality. I used to use WordPerfect for Linux before switching to StarOffice, but can honestly say I never used Word from Microsoft (not a single version). One thing that may be not so good about the program is the help system. Help is very basic and often doesn't explain how to activate a special feature. For people used to GUI editors OO doesn't follow the most intuitive menusystem. This may give newcomers the impression that a feature is missing, when OpenOffice is probably the most flexible and configurable program out there. It's just not well documented. Online web resources help somewhat, and googling often brings up the answers for difficult questions. -Borries From mark at mccoyfam.net Thu Nov 3 20:18:45 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (mark@mccoyfam.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 13:52:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a web host that supports mailing lists In-Reply-To: <436A252C.30908@liberto.org> References: <20051102224951.e0773fc7.adam@npjh.com> <436A252C.30908@liberto.org> Message-ID: <34183.129.115.170.240.1131049125.squirrel@webmail.mccoyfam.net> I'm one of the unix admins at UTSA, and I've already emailed him offlist to point him to the student affairs office to go through the paperwork :) No brick wall, just a request form for the president of the group to fill out... > Why pay someone? If this is truly a UTSA organization go and talk to > someone in ITS or whatever the IT department is called on campus. If you > hit a brick wall talk to whatever faculty is behind you. You may find > that they will be more than willing to help out than not. > > ~jesse -- Mark McCoy -- http://www.mccoyfam.net From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 15:29:09 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Nov 3 15:02:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] articles on OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <200511031944.jA3JiO5h009075@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <20051103182447.99207.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200511031944.jA3JiO5h009075@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4154519d0511031329u678d31acqa6fddaad7f784b4d@mail.gmail.com> I've been using OpenOffice for a couple years now and it just keeps getting better. I only really use the big three (Writer, Calc, Impress) of the OOo suite. The only problem that I've run across is that Impress doesn't come with a good selection of templates. They just aren't polished and ones that you really want to show at a big meeting. Or at least that's the way I feel. Design matters when you're giving a big presentation. Thankfully there are some good ones on-line. There are a few little quirks here and there, but nothing that makes me think that it's worth it to spend the $$$ on Microsoft. -Mike On 11/3/05, Borries Demeler wrote: > > Why OpenOffice.org 2.0 Is Your Best Choice > > > > By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols > > > > etc... > > I have been using OpenOffice 1.1.0-1.1.5 and before that staroffice 5-7 > with great results. I can confirm all of the points made by Steven. While > I consider myself a power user, I still am fully satisfied by what > OpenOffice offers. I haven't tried 2.0 yet, but plan to do so shortly. It > is definitely production quality. I used to use WordPerfect for Linux > before switching to StarOffice, but can honestly say I never used Word from > Microsoft (not a single version). One thing that may be not so good about > the program is the help system. Help is very basic and often doesn't explain > how to activate a special feature. For people used to GUI editors OO doesn't > follow the most intuitive menusystem. This may give newcomers the impression > that a feature is missing, when OpenOffice is probably the most flexible and > configurable program out there. It's just not well documented. Online web > resources help somewhat, and googling often brings up the answers for difficult > questions. > > -Borries > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From bdubbs at swbell.net Thu Nov 3 16:18:51 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Nov 3 15:52:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] articles on OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <200511031944.jA3JiO5h009075@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200511031944.jA3JiO5h009075@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <436A8CCB.5010107@swbell.net> Borries Demeler wrote: >>Why OpenOffice.org 2.0 Is Your Best Choice Also, don't overlook koffice as very useful. It may not have all the bells and whistles, but it works nicely for me. It also is smaller and launches faster. -- Bruce From edcoates at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 09:38:44 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Fri Nov 4 09:11:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Email Server and Encrypted Tunnel Message-ID: <8ee65edd0511040738r468a1764m9f95bcc6a3b559a6@mail.gmail.com> OK, Cox.net has done it again. Not sure what has brought this on, maybe the new buyout from Cebridge, but they're now blocking port 25 both incoming and outgoing according to their second line tech support. Here's my theory: 1. I set up an encrypted tunnel from between my network (192.168.1.0) and a friends network (192.168.0.0) 2. Configure my friends network to receive my mail (already done by the way) 3. Setup his virtusertable to redirect mail destined for edcoates@nighthawk.dyndns.org to 192.168.1.9 (server on my network) Would this be a feasible solution so that I can still have nighthawk.dyndns.org delivered? Any better ideas out there? Thanks in advance, Ed From tweeks at rackspace.com Fri Nov 4 09:47:06 2005 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Fri Nov 4 09:20:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Help Stop Software Patents by Voting for the European of the Year (Before Nov. 11th) Message-ID: <200511040947.06848.tweeks@rackspace.com> It sounds strange (esp. with us being in the US and all), but this is one of the ways to get a foothold against software patent issue (since it has been smacked down recently). There is an open web vote for the "European of the Year", who will them be able to bring this software patent issue back to the forefront in the international eye. As the No Software Patent's sites says, "If we succeed with this campaign, the issue of software patents will be elevated to the level of awareness that other major political topics enjoy. Our opponents try to portray it as a concern of geeks. With the power of the Internet, we can prove them wrong once again." To help with this effort: -Go here: http://www.ev50.com/poll/ -Vote for these people: http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/ev50/vote.html -When you get your confirmation email, click on the confirmation URL Cheers, Tweeks From solinym at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 14:32:24 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Nov 4 14:05:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Bring Windows Games to Linux In-Reply-To: <20051027174749.89814.qmail@host312.ipowerweb.com> References: <20051027174749.89814.qmail@host312.ipowerweb.com> Message-ID: "This petition was removed because the author did not provide a full valid name. Anonymous petitions are not permitted." -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- "We already have enough fast, insecure systems." -- Schneier & Ferguson GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 14:38:23 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Nov 4 14:11:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux, games, Loki Software In-Reply-To: <20051027193942.4C988DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20051027193942.4C988DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: > Doesn't mean Linux can't be the OS in the dedicated box, but folks > like me who are casual gamers at best aren't in the market for a > separate box to play games on, and we can't justify spending the $$$$ > to buy a new machine (or upgrade an existing one) just so we can play > a $30 (current Doom III price) game. I feel the same way about having to buy another box to play games and read the excel spreadsheets my HR person sends me. And don't say openoffice, it hasn't rendered any excel spreadsheet she's sent me properly, ever. Plus, when I buy a game, I want to be able to play it forever, not just a few years before an OS upgrade breaks it. I can still run vi, and it was written in the 70s. I remember one guy telling me he had a Windows 1.0 multimedia program and couldn't find *anything* that would play it. Here's to open APIs! -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- "We already have enough fast, insecure systems." -- Schneier & Ferguson GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 13:58:16 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Nov 4 15:31:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] VMware Player In-Reply-To: <869de8470510291238q480d31b5q1116553e502dad36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051104215816.86350.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> the last time I tried VMWare Workstation (5.0 beta I believe) that thing was rendered useless by Symantec Antivirus after I installed it. I tried using Nikon Capture 4.3 on it but it locks up the VM.. I was hoping it would work. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jtiner at gvtc.com Fri Nov 4 21:42:07 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (James Tiner) Date: Fri Nov 4 21:15:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Email Server and Encrypted Tunnel In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0511040738r468a1764m9f95bcc6a3b559a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0511040738r468a1764m9f95bcc6a3b559a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131162127.16673.3.camel@linux.tiner.org> I Don't have any experience with dyndns, but no-ip offered a service to redirect mail from port 25 to some other port. all you had to do was to tell your mail server to listen on whatever port it was redirected to. of course, they charged for this service but as i recall it was relatively inexpensive. you might want to check if dyndns offers the same service. it would probably be the easiest to configure. On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 09:38 -0600, Ed Coates wrote: > OK, Cox.net has done it again. Not sure what has brought this on, > maybe the new buyout from Cebridge, but they're now blocking port 25 > both incoming and outgoing according to their second line tech > support. Here's my theory: > > 1. I set up an encrypted tunnel from between my network (192.168.1.0) > and a friends network (192.168.0.0) > 2. Configure my friends network to receive my mail (already done by the way) > 3. Setup his virtusertable to redirect mail destined for > edcoates@nighthawk.dyndns.org to 192.168.1.9 (server on my network) > > Would this be a feasible solution so that I can still have > nighthawk.dyndns.org delivered? Any better ideas out there? > > Thanks in advance, > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From gandor at sga.dyndns.org Sat Nov 5 17:58:07 2005 From: gandor at sga.dyndns.org (gandor) Date: Sat Nov 5 17:24:50 2005 Subject: : [SATLUG] Linux, games Message-ID: <436d470f.34f.7808.1323994369@sga.dyndns.org> Just to put my 2 cents in Linux will run several windows based games including doom3. there is a linux port out there you can find for doom3 with a little googling. most all games by ID Software have Linux ports. and as a matter of fact doom3 runs better on my linux box with a P3 1.5 cpu and a 64 meg vid card that on my windows box running a P4 with a 128 meg vid card. and as for other software like MS Office there are several windows emulators for linux out there that will run windows applications as well as games. WineX comes to mind as a good open scource win emulator for linux. but i look at it like this if it wont run on linux who needs it any way........ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Nov 6 00:09:44 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Nov 5 22:42:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a web host that supports mailing lists In-Reply-To: <20051102224951.e0773fc7.adam@npjh.com> References: <20051102224951.e0773fc7.adam@npjh.com> Message-ID: <200511060009.44781.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 02 November 2005 22:49, Adam Flott wrote: > trying to start a radio station. To communicate for starting this project > up we decided on using a mailing list (mailman on a third party host) to > inform everything of what is going on. Unfortunately our current setup is > rather poor and failed to deliver a very important email. Thus, we need > something that is reliable (i.e. can actually deliver mail), Mailman is rock solid. The only time it screws up is when someone misconfigures it. > Does anyone have suggestions for hosts? Fluid Hosting[1] looks like a good > plan, but I haven't done much research on their reputation. I know > Rackspace is in San Antonio, so maybe they would be willing to set us up on > a shared server. Rackspace does not do shared servers. Rackspace's CUSTOMERS do shared web hosting. RS just runs and manages the infrastructure.. like Internet Land Lords. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Nov 6 00:12:22 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Nov 5 22:45:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: <200511030140.jA31eeZX009555@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <200511060012.23211.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 02 November 2005 22:12, Don Wright wrote: > So why isn't SATLUG or XCSSA a major part of this? I was somewhat involved.. I was supposed to speak but had something going on. As for SATLUG's lack of involvement... All I can repeat is what I heard.. That email notifications were sent to the officers/president.. and that there was zero response. Sounds like you guys need to get your group email aliases fixed up so this type of thing doesn't happen again. I can put you in contact with the organizer and you can ask him what happened.. but that's all I know. Tweeks From roypittman at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 5 23:30:53 2005 From: roypittman at sbcglobal.net (Roy Pittman) Date: Sat Nov 5 23:03:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OpenOffice 2.0 help In-Reply-To: <200511041800.jA4I08w15844@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200511041800.jA4I08w15844@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <436D950D.4030907@sbcglobal.net> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:44:24 -0600 (CST) > From: Borries Demeler > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] articles on OpenOffice.org > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: <200511031944.jA3JiO5h009075@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I haven't tried 2.0 yet, but plan to do so shortly. It > is definitely production quality. I used to use WordPerfect for Linux > before switching to StarOffice, but can honestly say I never used Word from > Microsoft (not a single version). One thing that may be not so good about > the program is the help system. Help is very basic and often doesn't explain > how to activate a special feature. For people used to GUI editors OO doesn't > follow the most intuitive menusystem. This may give newcomers the impression > that a feature is missing, when OpenOffice is probably the most flexible and > configurable program out there. It's just not well documented. Online web > resources help somewhat, and googling often brings up the answers for difficult > questions. > > -Borries > I'm happy to say that help in OO 2.0 is much more complete than it was in 1.x and the documents found at http://support.openoffice.org/index.html are good, too. I have had compatibility problems with spreadsheets written in Excel and opened in OO Calc and vice versa, but the Massachusetts open document formats decision may compel M$ to bring Excel up to community standards. It's fun to use "compel" and Microsoft together that way! Roy From lnx4vr at 2fords.net Sun Nov 6 00:38:35 2005 From: lnx4vr at 2fords.net (lnx4vr@2fords.net) Date: Sun Nov 6 00:11:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OpenOffice 2.0 help In-Reply-To: <436D950D.4030907@sbcglobal.net> References: <200511041800.jA4I08w15844@alamo.satlug.org> <436D950D.4030907@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <436DA4EB.3080604@2fords.net> Roy Pittman wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:44:24 -0600 (CST) >> From: Borries Demeler >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] articles on OpenOffice.org >> To: satlug@satlug.org >> Message-ID: <200511031944.jA3JiO5h009075@biochem.uthscsa.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > I haven't tried 2.0 yet, but plan to do so shortly. It > >> is definitely production quality. I used to use WordPerfect for Linux >> before switching to StarOffice, but can honestly say I never used >> Word from >> Microsoft (not a single version). One thing that may be not so good >> about >> the program is the help system. Help is very basic and often doesn't >> explain >> how to activate a special feature. For people used to GUI editors OO >> doesn't follow the most intuitive menusystem. This may give newcomers >> the impression >> that a feature is missing, when OpenOffice is probably the most >> flexible and >> configurable program out there. It's just not well documented. Online >> web >> resources help somewhat, and googling often brings up the answers for >> difficult >> questions. >> >> -Borries >> > I'm happy to say that help in OO 2.0 is much more complete than it was > in 1.x and the documents found at > http://support.openoffice.org/index.html > are good, too. > I have had compatibility problems with spreadsheets written in Excel > and opened in OO Calc and vice versa, but the Massachusetts open > document formats decision may compel M$ to bring Excel up to community > standards. > > It's fun to use "compel" and Microsoft together that way! > > Roy > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > I hope I'm wrong, but it's beginning to look like Massachusetts might have been blowing smoke. Maybe they just wanted a better price. Although anyone that is actually going to purchase a microsoft product should always sing the Linux song, to get a better price, I was really hoping Ma. was different From bdubbs at swbell.net Sun Nov 6 11:03:56 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Nov 6 10:37:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OpenOffice 2.0 help In-Reply-To: <436DA4EB.3080604@2fords.net> References: <200511041800.jA4I08w15844@alamo.satlug.org> <436D950D.4030907@sbcglobal.net> <436DA4EB.3080604@2fords.net> Message-ID: <436E377C.3050404@swbell.net> lnx4vr@2fords.net wrote: > I hope I'm wrong, but it's beginning to look like Massachusetts might > have been blowing smoke. Maybe they just wanted a better price. > Although anyone that is actually going to purchase a microsoft product > should always sing the Linux song, to get a better price, I was really > hoping Ma. was different I have been following the process for incorporating OpenDocument formats in MA for a while. I think you are wrong about the intent of the proceedings that specified OpenDocument. They were/are really trying to use a document that is not proprietary. They never said that they didn't want to use MS. They just insisted that they use a format that wasn't controlled by one commercial venture and could be implemented by anyone without restriction. MS Office was OK if they 1) changed the license on their *format*, or 2) added a filter to incorporate OpenDocument like they have already done for several other formats. Unfortunately, it appears that politicians can be bought there, like in so many places. -- Bruce From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 15:40:33 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sun Nov 6 15:13:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Disk Check Utilities? Message-ID: <869de8470511061340o467c2399m3d3c90a6b8247788@mail.gmail.com> This isn't a linux question per se, but I figured that someone would have some advice. I have about a hundred various sized hard drives that I want to stress test to either use or destroy. I want to make sure that there aren't any hardware issues with the drive and that all the sectors are good. It would be nice if the utility would be on a boot CD or something that I could fit on a DOS floppy as my test machine doesn't have an OS on it and is usually used for kickstarting RH installations over the LAN, Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. FIRESTORM_v1 From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Nov 6 17:30:28 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sun Nov 6 17:03:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Disk Check Utilities? In-Reply-To: <869de8470511061340o467c2399m3d3c90a6b8247788@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470511061340o467c2399m3d3c90a6b8247788@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <651tm11jjf2id0rod8ivl40tkn6dma94ek@4ax.com> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:40:33 -0600, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I have about a hundred various sized hard drives that I want to stress >test to either use or destroy. I want to make sure that there aren't any >hardware issues with the drive and that all the sectors are good. Free: Some of these will test 'foreign' drives, but all work best with their own brands. All are easily found with Google: [ drive test]. I'd stay away from the free third-party tools, they often contain Windows-only adware. Fujitsu (various) http://www.fcpa.com/support/hard-drives/software_utilities.html IBM/Hitachi Drive Fitness Test http://www.hgst.com/hdd/technolo/dft/dft.htm Maxtor/Quantum Powermax & SCSImax ftp://downloads.maxtor.com/pub/PwrMax_4_21_Multi/PwrMaxEnglish/ ftp://downloads.maxtor.com/pub/Quantum%20Products/Utilities/SCSIMAX/ Seagate SeaTools http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/ Western Digital (various) http://support.wdc.com/download/downloadxml.asp Paid: This is the only one I would trust with important data. SpinRite - non-destructive total drive test and data recovery tool www.grc.com -- Any Disaster Recovery Plan that omits a budget for pizza is incomplete and likely to fall short in other areas. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Nov 6 18:06:20 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Sun Nov 6 17:39:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Disk Check Utilities? In-Reply-To: <869de8470511061340o467c2399m3d3c90a6b8247788@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470511061340o467c2399m3d3c90a6b8247788@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511061806.20950.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 06 November 2005 15:40, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > This isn't a linux question per se, but I figured that someone would have > some advice. > I have about a hundred various sized hard drives that I want to stress > test to either use or destroy. I want to make sure that there aren't any > hardware issues with the drive and that all the sectors are good. I would recommend doing SMART protocol long tests.. like this: # smrtctl -s on /dev/hdc <----Turn on smart on /dev/hdc # smartctl -a /dev/hdc|grep -iA1 extended <---find out how many minutes in Extended self-test routine your drive's "long test" recommended polling time: ( 58) minutes. <--------- # smaratctl -t long /dev/hdc ; sleep 60m ; smart -a /dev/hdc |grep -B2 "^# 1" That last command will run the long test (58 minutes in my case), then sleep for 60 minutes while it runs, and then get the pass/fail reported output that will look something like this: Num Test_Description Status Remaining Life LBA_of_first_error # 1 Conveyance offline Completed 00% 458 - If it shows Completed or no error.. (00%), you're ok. The number (458 in mine) is the hours that the drive has been spinning when the test was executed. It keeps a running log on board the drive. Another good higher level r/w performance test that can turn up errors (good for stress testing) natively in Linux is Bonnie++: http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ > It would be nice if the utility would be on a boot CD or something that I > could fit on a DOS floppy as my test machine doesn't have an OS on it and > is usually used for kickstarting RH installations over the LAN, I think most Knoppix loads have smartctl.. nto sure about Bonnie++. Tweeks From wmail at wricomp.com Mon Nov 7 11:27:17 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon Nov 7 11:00:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Disk Check Utilities? In-Reply-To: <651tm11jjf2id0rod8ivl40tkn6dma94ek@4ax.com> References: <869de8470511061340o467c2399m3d3c90a6b8247788@mail.gmail.com> <651tm11jjf2id0rod8ivl40tkn6dma94ek@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:30:28 -0600, Don Wright wrote: >On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:40:33 -0600, FIRESTORM_v1 >wrote: >> I have about a hundred various sized hard drives that I want to stress >>test to either use or destroy. I want to make sure that there aren't any >>hardware issues with the drive and that all the sectors are good. And for those that prefer a single disc for the toolbox: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Tue Nov 8 16:37:26 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Tue Nov 8 16:09:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <200511060012.23211.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200511030140.jA31eeZX009555@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <200511060012.23211.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <437128A6.5020106@cis.sac.accd.edu> Tom Weeks wrote: > On Wednesday 02 November 2005 22:12, Don Wright wrote: > >> So why isn't SATLUG or XCSSA a major part of this? >> > > I was somewhat involved.. I was supposed to speak but had something going on. > > As for SATLUG's lack of involvement... All I can repeat is what I heard.. That > email notifications were sent to the officers/president.. and that there was > zero response. Sounds like you guys need to get your group email aliases > fixed up so this type of thing doesn't happen again. I can put you in > contact with the organizer and you can ask him what happened.. but that's all > I know. > > Tweeks > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Somebody, claiming to be the person in charge of this effort, called me on the Friday before the event. He said they just noticed that San Antonio College had not been invited. I like to support Linux--but, less than 24 hour notice does not work. It may not have been meant this way but it really sounded like, We are trying to drum up a few more people because we did not sell out. Steve From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 17:24:33 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Tue Nov 8 16:57:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <437128A6.5020106@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <200511030140.jA31eeZX009555@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <200511060012.23211.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <437128A6.5020106@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <36ebda1b8058a8d4fdb4cce54e68649f@gmail.com> On Nov 8, 2005, at 4:37 PM, steve kolars wrote: > I like to support Linux--but, less than 24 hour notice does not work. > It may not have been meant this way but it really sounded like, We are > trying to drum up a few more people because we did not sell out. That is exactly how it felt. And why if it is "Penguin Day" was it all about non-profits? There are many more linux adoption issues to discuss than how to get the non-profits involved. And speaking of getting involved, how is it that the SA LUG was the last to know? Hmmm... -Nathan From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Tue Nov 8 18:14:47 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Tue Nov 8 17:49:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <36ebda1b8058a8d4fdb4cce54e68649f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511082349.jA8Nntw17006@alamo.satlug.org> You guys really spend too much time worrying about what people are doing and not doing...it was simply an issue of not being able to get in touch with you guys. That was it. We tried numerous times and different people all the way until the last minute...and nothing. Second the insinuation that this was a profit maker for us is far from the truth...the money we raised wasn't even enough to break even for the event and in fact the people we flew in from out of town flew in on there own coin. If you have sometime come and stop by Urban15 and see what we are trying to do with open source, wireless, etc for the community and you will see we are not getting rich. Lastly, is that Penguin Day's are for and about open source for nonprofits. It is beyond me to pretend to know all the groups that could/might benefit from open source. With that being said there is going to be another Penguin Day held in the beginning of 2006 in either San Marcos or Austin. You are all welcome and encouraged to come and participate. Dean -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Turnage Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:25 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio On Nov 8, 2005, at 4:37 PM, steve kolars wrote: > I like to support Linux--but, less than 24 hour notice does not work. > It may not have been meant this way but it really sounded like, We are > trying to drum up a few more people because we did not sell out. That is exactly how it felt. And why if it is "Penguin Day" was it all about non-profits? There are many more linux adoption issues to discuss than how to get the non-profits involved. And speaking of getting involved, how is it that the SA LUG was the last to know? Hmmm... -Nathan _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From satlugmail at rcsinc.us Wed Nov 9 01:10:34 2005 From: satlugmail at rcsinc.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Wed Nov 9 00:43:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Just FYI Message-ID: <4371A0EA.6010100@rcsinc.us> "Over the last few days, a new worm, Linux.Plupii, which attacks Linux systems via Web-server related services, has made its appearance." http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1882889,00.asp -Vinny From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Nov 9 08:30:46 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Nov 9 07:59:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Just FYI In-Reply-To: <4371A0EA.6010100@rcsinc.us> References: <4371A0EA.6010100@rcsinc.us> Message-ID: <1131546646.4648.86.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 01:10 -0600, Vinny Huckaba wrote: > "Over the last few days, a new worm, Linux.Plupii, which attacks Linux > systems via Web-server related services, has made its appearance." > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1882889,00.asp We should really make clear - this worm attacks systems with old versions of perl and PHP software. It is *not* Linux specific. It so happens that a lot of older Linux boxes run older, insecure scripts which this worm exploits. Thomas From jtiner at gvtc.com Wed Nov 9 08:57:43 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (James Tiner) Date: Wed Nov 9 08:30:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Just FYI In-Reply-To: <1131546646.4648.86.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> References: <4371A0EA.6010100@rcsinc.us> <1131546646.4648.86.camel@ml110.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1131548263.4456.19.camel@linux.tiner.org> All, this one is being reported as a LINUX worm. As Thomas points out, it is not specific to Linux. Please be careful so as not to help spread the FUD. Additionally, the reports of this worm should remind us to practice safe computing. Even though this is one of the few remotely executable holes found to affect Linux (two of the three web apps that this affects have been fixed), the damage it could possibly cause can be mitigated through intelligent design of the server installs. I know that most of us are relatively seasoned vets when it comes to Linux, but if I may, I would like to offer some advice to any n00bs that are on this mailing list and plan to load there own servers that run outward facing services. first: when loading up your server, plan the partitions beforehand. things like putting /tmp on its own partition and mount it with noexec could really keep worms like this one from getting very far. second: always run outward facing services as nobody or another otherwise unprivileged user account. this also keeps possible damages to a minimum. third: backup your data frequently. never know when your going to need it fourth: turn off services you don't need. if you don't need an FTP server, don't run one. fifth: never send anything with passwords/personal information unencrypted. need a remote shell to a server? use ssh. ssl, tls, and a myriad of other encryption capable equivalents are available for almost all services sixth: quit using SU. use SUDO. this is especially true if you need to give admin rights to another user. it has many features that make it a better option, such as the logging that is available. also, never having to give out the root password is a really good thing. Most importantly, keep you software up to date. really, applying security patches is the lowest common denominator of a secure sytstem. the first two suggestions make this worm threat a no-show. the others help prevent other security mishaps. there are many other tips, and these are only meant to help people get started in the right direction. On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 08:30 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 01:10 -0600, Vinny Huckaba wrote: > > "Over the last few days, a new worm, Linux.Plupii, which attacks Linux > > systems via Web-server related services, has made its appearance." > > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1882889,00.asp > > We should really make clear - this worm attacks systems with old > versions of perl and PHP software. It is *not* Linux specific. It so > happens that a lot of older Linux boxes run older, insecure scripts > which this worm exploits. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Nov 9 11:09:19 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Nov 9 10:41:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <200511082349.jA8Nntw17006@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200511082349.jA8Nntw17006@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <43722D3F.30601@cis.sac.accd.edu> Dean McCall wrote: > You guys really spend too much time worrying about what people are doing and > not doing...it was simply an issue of not being able to get in touch with > you guys. That was it. We tried numerous times and different people You seem to have no problem posting to this list *after* the fact. > all > the way until the last minute...and nothing. > > Second the insinuation that this was a profit maker for us is far from the > truth...the money we raised wasn't even enough to break even for the event > and in fact the people we flew in from out of town flew in on there own > coin. At $25.00 a head no one thinks you were in this for a profit. As I originally stated--the phone call I received made me feel like an after thought. Whether intended, or not, you cannot change that fact. > If you have sometime come and stop by Urban15 and see what we are > trying to do with open source, wireless, etc for the community and you will > see we are not getting rich. > > Lastly, is that Penguin Day's are for and about open source for nonprofits. > Is this a statement or a question? > It is beyond me to pretend to know all the groups that could/might benefit > from open source. > > With that being said there is going to be another Penguin Day held in the > beginning of 2006 in either San Marcos or Austin. You are all welcome and > encouraged to come and participate. Post to this list when you know dates, places, and times. Be sure to post with enough lead time so that someone can actually make it. > > We have been hosting week long Open Source Fests for years. Our next Open Source Fest is scheduled for May 2006. Watch the SATLUG website for the announcement. If you are interested in participating watch for the call for papers--announced on the same website--http://www.satlug.org. > > Dean > > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Nathan Turnage > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:25 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PenguinDay in San Antonio > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 4:37 PM, steve kolars wrote: > > >> I like to support Linux--but, less than 24 hour notice does not work. >> It may not have been meant this way but it really sounded like, We are >> trying to drum up a few more people because we did not sell out. >> > > > That is exactly how it felt. And why if it is "Penguin Day" was it all > about non-profits? There are many more linux adoption issues to discuss > than how to get the non-profits involved. And speaking of getting > involved, how is it that the SA LUG was the last to know? Hmmm... > > -Nathan > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 12:22:59 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Wed Nov 9 11:56:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Speed Test Message-ID: Not really Linux specific, but networking related http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ seems to be a fairly accurate speed test, with servers located across the country, for such tests. I'm currently subscribed to Time-Warner's RoadRunner in San Antonio, and am on their "Road Runner - Lite" connection (384k down, 128k up) for $19.95/mo. All of their servers report about the same speed (+/- 1 or 2kb/s) on up/download speed tests. Those numbers are consistant with my internet package (actual speeds are 360k down, and 122k up (+/-) My question is this: Is the bandwidth throttle in the actual cable modem itself, or something at the main switch (wherever that is)? If it's in the local cable modem in my house, is there a way to access it, to bump the speed up? The reason is, for a couple of years, full-blown high-speed access was available here, and right before I moved to Louisiana for my short 3-month stint there, I was getting 5MB downloads. The same cable is in place, just the hardware is different. Thanks for any answer. -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From twistedpickles at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 12:44:43 2005 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Wed Nov 9 12:17:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] bash scripting + regex + data extraction help Message-ID: I am trying to extract data to insert in a variable from a text file. I am not getting the results I want. Below are code snippets plus results. detectCrop=$(tail ?-lines=5 crop.txt) #echo $detectCrop if [[ $detectCrop =~ '\(-vf crop.*\)' ]] then echo Crop properties found: echo output 1 -- $BASH_REMATCH echo output 2 -- ${BASH_REMATCH[1]} echo output 3 -- ${BASH_REMATCH[2]} fi cropParam=$BASH_REMATCH echo $cropParam The result of 'tail ?lines=5' is crop area: X: 14..706 Y: 61..422 (-vf crop=688:352:16:66) A: 65.3 V: 65.3 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.125 137/137 10% 10% 0.4% 0 0 crop area: X: 14..706 Y: 61..422 (-vf crop=688:352:16:66) A: 65.3 V: 65.3 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.125 137/137 10% 10% 0.4% 0 0 [radeon] ?.(Quiting) The result from BASH_REMATCH is: crop area: X: 14..706 Y: 61..422 (-vf crop=688:352:16:66) A: 65.3 V: 65.3 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.125 137/137 10% 10% 0.4% 0 0 crop area: X: 14..706 Y: 61..422 (-vf crop=688:352:16:66) A: 65.3 V: 65.3 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.125 137/137 10% 10% 0.4% 0 0 [radeon] ?.(Quiting) The only information I need to extract is "-vf crop=688:352:16:66". The reason I am extracting the last 5 lines is because the info never ends the same. Can someone please help or make suggestions? -- ::twistedPickles:: : From mdfilio at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 13:52:44 2005 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Any ideas why a PDF doesn't download? Message-ID: I have an Apache2 server set up running off my cable modem that I use for various testing and quick access to files when I'm away. For some reason, when I type in the URL for a PDF (my resume), nothing happens in the case of Firefox, and IE returns 'The page cannot be displayed'. However, it works as expected with the Word .doc version. There something in the Apache2 conf I missing? Thanks From jesse at liberto.org Wed Nov 9 13:55:47 2005 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Any ideas why a PDF doesn't download? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43725443.3020500@liberto.org> M. Filio wrote: >I have an Apache2 server set up running off my cable modem that I use >for various testing and quick access to files when I'm away. > >For some reason, when I type in the URL for a PDF (my resume), nothing >happens in the case of Firefox, and IE returns 'The page cannot be >displayed'. However, it works as expected with the Word .doc version. > >There something in the Apache2 conf I missing? > >Thanks >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > check permissions. ~jesse From mdfilio at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 13:59:17 2005 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Any ideas why a PDF doesn't download? In-Reply-To: <43725443.3020500@liberto.org> References: <43725443.3020500@liberto.org> Message-ID: > check permissions. Permissions are fine. Although for a moment I thought I was going to kick myself. From mdfilio at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 14:02:45 2005 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:35:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Any ideas why a PDF doesn't download? In-Reply-To: References: <43725443.3020500@liberto.org> Message-ID: Okay.. nevermind. False alarm. It's something with this computer. Just ran another check with a remote and it worked fine. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 14:13:45 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:46:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] bash scripting + regex + data extraction help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <128bff2f0511091213n4639484cod27d405cef98aa35@mail.gmail.com> On 11/9/05, twistedpickles wrote: > > I am trying to extract data to insert in a variable from a text file. I am > not getting the results I want. Below are code snippets plus results. > > detectCrop=$(tail ?-lines=5 crop.txt) > > #echo $detectCrop > > if [[ $detectCrop =~ '\(-vf crop.*\)' ]] > > then > > echo Crop properties found: > > echo output 1 -- $BASH_REMATCH > > echo output 2 -- ${BASH_REMATCH[1]} > > echo output 3 -- ${BASH_REMATCH[2]} > > fi > > cropParam=$BASH_REMATCH > > echo $cropParam > > The result of 'tail ?lines=5' is > > crop area: X: 14..706 Y: 61..422 (-vf crop=688:352:16:66) > > A: 65.3 V: 65.3 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.125 137/137 10% 10% 0.4% 0 0 > > crop area: X: 14..706 Y: 61..422 (-vf crop=688:352:16:66) > > A: 65.3 V: 65.3 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.125 137/137 10% 10% 0.4% 0 0 > > [radeon] ?.(Quiting) > > The result from BASH_REMATCH is: > > crop area: X: 14..706 Y: 61..422 (-vf crop=688:352:16:66) > > A: 65.3 V: 65.3 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.125 137/137 10% 10% 0.4% 0 0 > > crop area: X: 14..706 Y: 61..422 (-vf crop=688:352:16:66) > > A: 65.3 V: 65.3 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.125 137/137 10% 10% 0.4% 0 0 > > [radeon] ?.(Quiting) > > The only information I need to extract is "-vf crop=688:352:16:66". The > reason I am extracting the last 5 lines is because the info never ends the > same. > Can someone please help or make suggestions? > > > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > I'm no expert in Bash scripting but I would assume that your little regex statement is pulling in the entire line, what you do know is use the command cut to remove the section of the output that you want. Here is an example i use for getting a person IP address when they log into a machine remotely IP_ADDRESS=`who |grep $USER | cut -d "(" -f 2 | cut -d ")" -f 1` I'm sure there is a more elegant way to do this. Zeb From leif at paisd.net Wed Nov 9 16:01:08 2005 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed Nov 9 14:10:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FC3 stalls on boot Message-ID: <54457.206.76.144.4.1131573668.squirrel@206.76.144.4> We had a one second power outage today and now my FC3 workstation stalls on boot at "Setting up Logical Volume Management." Can someone suggest what commands I should run after booting to linux rescue from the CD or other solution? -Leif From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 15:51:54 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Wed Nov 9 15:25:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FC3 stalls on boot In-Reply-To: <54457.206.76.144.4.1131573668.squirrel@206.76.144.4> References: <54457.206.76.144.4.1131573668.squirrel@206.76.144.4> Message-ID: <128bff2f0511091351t7ed4293cq7ea61ce1a3250e60@mail.gmail.com> Leif, Since your system did not shutdown gracefully you probably have some disk corruption and need to run fsck on the disk. I'm not sure why the system doesn't prompt you to do this. I know in the past that when one of my RH would reset I would get prompted to run it. Zeb On 11/9/05, Leif Johnson wrote: > > > We had a one second power outage today and now my FC3 workstation stalls > on boot at "Setting up Logical Volume Management." Can someone suggest > what commands I should run after booting to linux rescue from the CD or > other solution? > > -Leif > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From rct at gherkin.frus.com Wed Nov 9 16:57:00 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Wed Nov 9 16:30:10 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] disk drive overlays Message-ID: <20051109225700.6ED5BDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Got an old Toshiba Tecra 730XCDT notebook, circa 1997, with the latest available BIOS (Toshiba proprietary, so third-party BIOS upgrade is not a possibility). The BIOS suffers from the 8.4GB hard disk size limit, which became an issue when I recently replaced a 4.3GB drive with a 60GB drive. Did a USB <--> USB drive image copy using "g4l": took nearly four hours because I didn't have USB 2.0 ports available. That will be fixed before I do this again. The 60GB drive boots both of the hosted OSs (Win95 and Linux) just fine. As far as the 60GB drive being substantially larger than what the BIOS can handle, that doesn't matter to Linux: the IDE driver reports what the BIOS says as far as C/H/S, then correctly reports the true drive capacity and allows me to use the entire drive. Linux "fdisk" agrees with the reported number of heads and sectors/track, and obviously reports a substantially greater number of cylinders :-). All things being as they currently are, I have to be careful to keep bootable objects within the first 8GB, but that's easy enough to do. The problem is Win95... I "need" MS-Win to be able to use Partition Magic, and Partition Magic only sees what Win95 sees, which in this case is limited by the ancient BIOS. Since a BIOS upgrade is not a possibility, that leaves disk drive overlay software ala IBM's Disk Manager or one of the many EZ-BIOS variants. At the moment, I'm leaning toward the MaxBlast II variant of EZ-BIOS for two reasons: (1) EZ-BIOS can be installed without loss of data (or so it is rumored). Certain caveats apply, but repartitioning and reformatting are not required as long as the only net change to the reported CHS geometry is the number of cylinders. (2) The older MaxBlast II (as opposed to versions 3 and 4) is supposed to be vendor-neutral, i.e., it doesn't check for a Maxtor drive. (Certainly I'll be able to verify that when I give it a try). Lilo knows how to cope with EZ-BIOS, so that shouldn't be an issue. Regardless, I don't have Lilo installed in the MBR as is the modern practice. As *all* of my Linux systems have been multi-OS bootable (since 1992), I acquired (or maybe had to begin with) an inherent aversion to installing anything in the MBR that M$ didn't put there. Say what you will about that last statement, but I also don't have to worry about who last touched the MBR. This approach means using fdisk to set the active partition to whereever Lilo is, which works just fine. As an added advantage, I'm not totally dependent on Lilo to boot *something* on the hard disk. All this is to say, I believe installing EZ-BIOS shouldn't screw me over (at least on other than a temporary basis). Anyone got any thoughts/advice on what I'm contemplating before I pull the trigger? I've had success with EZ-BIOS in the past, but that *was* many moons ago and things may have changed. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leif at paisd.net Wed Nov 9 18:57:38 2005 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed Nov 9 17:06:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FC3 stalls on boot In-Reply-To: <128bff2f0511091351t7ed4293cq7ea61ce1a3250e60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fixed! I finally got a clue that X was faulting on boot which was set to autologin my account. I cleaned out the /tmp directory & I'm back up & blogging. Thanks Zeb for the response. Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 http://blog.paisd.net On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Leif, > Since your system did not shutdown gracefully you probably have some disk > corruption and need to run fsck on the disk. I'm not sure why the system > doesn't prompt you to do this. I know in the past that when one of my RH > would reset I would get prompted to run it. > > > Zeb > > On 11/9/05, Leif Johnson wrote: > > > > > > We had a one second power outage today and now my FC3 workstation stalls > > on boot at "Setting up Logical Volume Management." Can someone suggest > > what commands I should run after booting to linux rescue from the CD or > > other solution? > > > > -Leif > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Wed Nov 9 17:34:15 2005 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Nov 9 17:08:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Speed Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1131579255.20225.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 12:22 -0600, Geoff wrote: > Not really Linux specific, but networking related > > My question is this: > Is the bandwidth throttle in the actual cable modem itself, or > something at the main switch (wherever that is)? > > If it's in the local cable modem in my house, is there a way to access > it, to bump the speed up? > My understanding is that the throttle is in the modem. My understanding is that any increase in download speed they detect on your end is going to cost you money or service. For some reason ISPs seem to get really picky about this. From wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 17:54:07 2005 From: wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (Roy Shrove) Date: Wed Nov 9 17:27:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] MAC OS Question Message-ID: I know this may be a little off topic, but a friend of mine's daughter is committed to her MAC (due to job demands) and her G4 is on its last legs. IIRC the latest version of the MAC OS is a *nix base system. The question is can he get a copy of the MAC OS and put it on an Intel-based PC? He has access to good PC-based machines he'd like to use to replace the dying G4. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Roy _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From chmims at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 18:15:29 2005 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Wed Nov 9 17:48:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] MAC OS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9e4edf580511091615k76b80f72h71af032c6559d9d3@mail.gmail.com> Simple answer is no. Mac OS X for Intel processor will be available in a year or two. But it will probably be very hard-ware specific i.e. run only on an Apple computer. There is reportedly a beta of the Intel version out on the net but it would be very unstable even if you could find it. On 11/9/05, Roy Shrove wrote: > > I know this may be a little off topic, but a friend of mine's daughter is > committed to her MAC (due to job demands) and her G4 is on its last legs. > IIRC the latest version of the MAC OS is a *nix base system. The question > is > can he get a copy of the MAC OS and put it on an Intel-based PC? He has > access to good PC-based machines he'd like to use to replace the dying G4. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Roy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Nov 9 18:16:19 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed Nov 9 17:49:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] MAC OS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43729153.40504@n-man.com> Roy Shrove wrote: > I know this may be a little off topic, but a friend of mine's daughter > is committed to her MAC (due to job demands) and her G4 is on its last > legs. IIRC the latest version of the MAC OS is a *nix base system. The > question is can he get a copy of the MAC OS and put it on an > Intel-based PC? He has access to good PC-based machines he'd like to > use to replace the dying G4. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Roy > Short answer: No. Apple systems, as you probably already know, use the PPC architecture, and Apple's efforts to begin using Intel processors are young and are not targeted at existing PC systems. You cannot purchase Mac OS and install it on an Intel system. At present, the only way to use Mac OS on a PC is through an emulator. There are a few available, and some will run under Linux. That would allow running legacy Mac applications while migrating to Intel systems. Anymore, most software available for Mac systems is also available for Windows or Linux, but some proprietary applications remain Mac-only. She can use those applications through the emulator and do everything else on the host operating system, but there is always a speed penalty when using an emulator. Demanding graphics applications, such as those from Adobe, may be very unpleasant in an emulator. One of the unfortunate disadvantages of using Mac systems is that they suffer vendor lock-in problems sometimes greater than those suffered by Windows users. Employer requirements tend to be insensitive in this regard. C'est la vie. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com www.n-man.com -- From wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 18:55:41 2005 From: wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (Roy Shrove) Date: Wed Nov 9 18:28:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] MAC OS Question In-Reply-To: <43729153.40504@n-man.com> Message-ID: What about installing and running OSx on VMware? (as you can probably tell, I have NO CLUE regarding MAC stuff) R >From: Patrick Barnes >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] MAC OS Question >Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:16:19 -0600 > >Roy Shrove wrote: > > I know this may be a little off topic, but a friend of mine's daughter > > is committed to her MAC (due to job demands) and her G4 is on its last > > legs. IIRC the latest version of the MAC OS is a *nix base system. The > > question is can he get a copy of the MAC OS and put it on an > > Intel-based PC? He has access to good PC-based machines he'd like to > > use to replace the dying G4. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Roy > > >Short answer: No. > >Apple systems, as you probably already know, use the PPC architecture, >and Apple's efforts to begin using Intel processors are young and are >not targeted at existing PC systems. You cannot purchase Mac OS and >install it on an Intel system. At present, the only way to use Mac OS >on a PC is through an emulator. There are a few available, and some >will run under Linux. That would allow running legacy Mac applications >while migrating to Intel systems. Anymore, most software available for >Mac systems is also available for Windows or Linux, but some proprietary >applications remain Mac-only. She can use those applications through >the emulator and do everything else on the host operating system, but >there is always a speed penalty when using an emulator. Demanding >graphics applications, such as those from Adobe, may be very unpleasant >in an emulator. One of the unfortunate disadvantages of using Mac >systems is that they suffer vendor lock-in problems sometimes greater >than those suffered by Windows users. Employer requirements tend to be >insensitive in this regard. C'est la vie. > >-- >Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes >nman64@n-man.com > >www.n-man.com >-- > > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Nov 9 19:29:08 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed Nov 9 19:02:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] MAC OS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4372A264.5050806@n-man.com> > >What about installing and running OSx on VMware? (as you can probably tell, >I have NO CLUE regarding MAC stuff) > >R VMware Workstation will only allow you to run x86-compatible operating systems. PPC operating systems like Mac OS cannot be used under VMware. There are other emulators that work in a similar manner to VMware that can run Mac OS. PearPC is the first that comes to mind. I'm sure you can find more information using Google. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com www.n-man.com -- From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Nov 9 19:33:00 2005 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Nov 9 19:06:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Speed Test In-Reply-To: <1131579255.20225.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1131579255.20225.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4372A34C.3010700@satx.rr.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 12:22 -0600, Geoff wrote: > >> Not really Linux specific, but networking related >> >> My question is this: Is the bandwidth throttle in the actual >> cable modem itself, or something at the main switch (wherever >> that is)? >> >> If it's in the local cable modem in my house, is there a way to >> access it, to bump the speed up? >> > My understanding is that the throttle is in the modem. My > understanding is that any increase in download speed they detect on > your end is going to cost you money or service. For some reason > ISPs seem to get really picky about this. > I researched this shortly after getting my cable modem a few years ago. From everything I read, what Dennis said is very true: you will lose your service if you attempt to tweak your cable modem. -- "In Paris they simply stared when I spoke to them in French; I never did succeed in making those idiots understand their own language." -- Mark Twain -- Mitch Thompson, San Antonio, Texas//WB5UZG Red Hat Certified Engineer From roypittman at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 9 20:02:20 2005 From: roypittman at sbcglobal.net (Roy Pittman) Date: Wed Nov 9 19:35:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] open source in the courts In-Reply-To: <200511092308.jA9N8Vw24210@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200511092308.jA9N8Vw24210@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <4372AA2C.2060600@sbcglobal.net> All four of the Seminole County, Fla. (suburban Orlando), judges who hear drunk-driving cases have routinely tossed out all challenged breath-alcohol readings since January (a total of more than 700), according to a September Orlando Sentinel story, because the judges believe the defendants should be given access to the machines' computer code. (Without the readings as evidence, about half the DUI defendants go free.) The Florida Department of Law Enforcement says the machines are accurate and that, anyway, manufacturers protect the codes as trade secrets. [Orlando Sentinel, 9-9-05] From jtiner at gvtc.com Wed Nov 9 20:31:35 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (James Tiner) Date: Wed Nov 9 20:04:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] disk drive overlays In-Reply-To: <20051109225700.6ED5BDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20051109225700.6ED5BDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <1131589895.4456.24.camel@linux.tiner.org> Just curious, why is it that you need Partition Magic? Not that it's important to the question you asked, I was just curious. On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 16:57 -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: > Got an old Toshiba Tecra 730XCDT notebook, circa 1997, with the latest > available BIOS (Toshiba proprietary, so third-party BIOS upgrade is not > a possibility). The BIOS suffers from the 8.4GB hard disk size limit, > which became an issue when I recently replaced a 4.3GB drive with a > 60GB drive. > > Did a USB <--> USB drive image copy using "g4l": took nearly four hours > because I didn't have USB 2.0 ports available. That will be fixed > before I do this again. The 60GB drive boots both of the hosted OSs > (Win95 and Linux) just fine. > > As far as the 60GB drive being substantially larger than what the BIOS > can handle, that doesn't matter to Linux: the IDE driver reports what > the BIOS says as far as C/H/S, then correctly reports the true drive > capacity and allows me to use the entire drive. Linux "fdisk" agrees > with the reported number of heads and sectors/track, and obviously > reports a substantially greater number of cylinders :-). All things > being as they currently are, I have to be careful to keep bootable > objects within the first 8GB, but that's easy enough to do. > > The problem is Win95... I "need" MS-Win to be able to use Partition > Magic, and Partition Magic only sees what Win95 sees, which in this > case is limited by the ancient BIOS. Since a BIOS upgrade is not a > possibility, that leaves disk drive overlay software ala IBM's > Disk Manager or one of the many EZ-BIOS variants. > > At the moment, I'm leaning toward the MaxBlast II variant of EZ-BIOS > for two reasons: > > (1) EZ-BIOS can be installed without loss of data (or so it is rumored). > Certain caveats apply, but repartitioning and reformatting are not > required as long as the only net change to the reported CHS geometry > is the number of cylinders. > > (2) The older MaxBlast II (as opposed to versions 3 and 4) is supposed > to be vendor-neutral, i.e., it doesn't check for a Maxtor drive. > (Certainly I'll be able to verify that when I give it a try). > > Lilo knows how to cope with EZ-BIOS, so that shouldn't be an issue. > Regardless, I don't have Lilo installed in the MBR as is the modern > practice. As *all* of my Linux systems have been multi-OS bootable > (since 1992), I acquired (or maybe had to begin with) an inherent > aversion to installing anything in the MBR that M$ didn't put there. > Say what you will about that last statement, but I also don't have to > worry about who last touched the MBR. This approach means using fdisk > to set the active partition to whereever Lilo is, which works just fine. > As an added advantage, I'm not totally dependent on Lilo to boot > *something* on the hard disk. All this is to say, I believe installing > EZ-BIOS shouldn't screw me over (at least on other than a temporary > basis). > > Anyone got any thoughts/advice on what I'm contemplating before I > pull the trigger? I've had success with EZ-BIOS in the past, but that > *was* many moons ago and things may have changed. > From lnx4vr at 2fords.net Wed Nov 9 21:03:10 2005 From: lnx4vr at 2fords.net (lnx4vr@2fords.net) Date: Wed Nov 9 20:35:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] open source in the courts In-Reply-To: <4372AA2C.2060600@sbcglobal.net> References: <200511092308.jA9N8Vw24210@alamo.satlug.org> <4372AA2C.2060600@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4372B86E.2050004@2fords.net> Roy Pittman wrote: > All four of the Seminole County, Fla. (suburban Orlando), judges who > hear drunk-driving cases have routinely tossed out all challenged > breath-alcohol readings since January (a total of more than 700), > according to a September Orlando Sentinel story, because the judges > believe the defendants should be given access to the machines' > computer code. (Without the readings as evidence, about half the DUI > defendants go free.) The Florida Department of Law Enforcement says > the machines are accurate and that, anyway, manufacturers protect the > codes as trade secrets. [Orlando Sentinel, 9-9-05] > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Damn those hanging chads! From me at jchampion.com Wed Nov 9 21:05:08 2005 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Nov 9 20:38:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Speed Test In-Reply-To: <4372A34C.3010700@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200511100238.jAA2cpw25463@alamo.satlug.org> The way it works is that your cable modem has a connection to a subscription mana