From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 1 00:38:46 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:13:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Server partitions filling up again In-Reply-To: <24b598f605083020255d05a9e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1125075172.3231.254.camel@laptop> <24b598f605083020255d05a9e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200508312338.46538.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 30 August 2005 22:25, Othniel Graichen wrote: > Furthermore, > > When I logged in yesterday evening to check on the server processes... > > Some person who shall remain nameless was downloading a > Suse iso. Why can't you just download directly? Please > desist, or we will have to terminate the shell account access. Sounds like you need to set up filesystem quotas. Although your response was in "good form" for the dark arts of the BOFH. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 1 00:45:26 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:20:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] 54 a/g card recommendations? In-Reply-To: <869de84705083009083f47d720@mail.gmail.com> References: <200508281904.53102.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <43147BE0.60409@mccoyfam.net> <869de84705083009083f47d720@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200508312345.26340.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 30 August 2005 11:08, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > go to www.fab-corp.com and look for their orinoco > classic gold card. it's about $60 but it works in Win/Lin/MacOS and it has > an external antenna on it.. :) Uhh.. I said it had to be 54g.. and a PCI.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 1 00:49:49 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:24:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: file server questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200508312349.50182.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 26 August 2005 08:18, Travis H. wrote: > Platform: > > CPUs: dual Xeon P3-550 > kernel: 2.6.13-rc6 > bus: PCI 32-bit > Dunno how good that is, but that's what I got. > In a nutshell, about 25% overhead for SW-RAID5 and LVM... not too bad. Now fail one of your disks... and repeat your test. Then reinsert the failed disk.. and repeat your test.. then we'll talk. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 1 00:55:26 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:30:16 2005 Subject: web publishing, was Re: [SATLUG] website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 26 August 2005 03:16, Travis H. wrote: > > Up until this point, I start off as a text document, and then maybe > add minimal HTML. However, writing HTML by hand is icky, it's hard to > make it perfectly legal HTML without running a weblint-like tool. [...] > Any ideas? Or will I have to write it? It's called Docbook. It's what most multimedia publishers are moving to. Because it can be output to screen, page, or whatever. A fairly good app to create is called XXCE. Here are some others that I've never used: http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools Tweeks From solinym at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 01:07:30 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:42:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: file server questions In-Reply-To: <200508312349.50182.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200508312349.50182.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: > > Now fail one of your disks... and repeat your test. > Then reinsert the failed disk.. and repeat your test.. then we'll talk. ;) Will do, but I think that the tests were conducted while it was building the parity. Turns out that max sustained xfer rate for the disk is like 64.8MB/s. Not sure what the PCI-32 max bus speed is. From solinym at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 01:18:38 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:53:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: best sound card needed In-Reply-To: <20050901013142.26968.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200508311700.j7VH0Gf30635@alamo.satlug.org> <20050901013142.26968.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/31/05, Mary Yatti wrote: > > I'm looking for the best sound card to download, copy > then play/replay streaming audio newscasts. I use > Fedora, Debian and XP and have tried software > solutions (replay radio..etc...) to no avail. Can you be more specific? I don't know how a soundcard would be involved in downloading or copying streaming audio. From what I understand, the professional grade soundcards are a bit better, but the best sound comes from external units, as the inside of a PC has a fair amount of ambient electronic noise. I've had audio engineers tell me they have wrapped the soundcards in a layer of insulation and then aluminum foil for more isolation inside the case, but you have to be careful not to short something out. I personally can't tell the difference between the CSxxxx on-board audio and the Sound Blaster Live! Pro or whatever I have at home. And I don't want to learn to hear it, because I'm happy in my ignorance. OTOH, the codec used for compression makes a great deal of difference. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 02:02:58 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Sep 1 00:37:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Test message In-Reply-To: <1125407205.3231.734.camel@laptop> References: <1125406414.1267.731.camel@laptop> <1125407205.3231.734.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 30 Aug 2005 08:06:42 -0500, Chuck wrote: > OK, its fixed now. Gotta love that Linux. None of that bullsh__ > rebooting the server. Just shutdown the Sendmail and Mailman services > and restart them. Whatever had hung is now gone and the list seems to > be working OK. I got the message below and stopped using the list until it was fixed... The original message was received at Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:49 -0500 from zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post satlug" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (most recent call last): Logging error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 338, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 138, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main tolist=1, _plaintext=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 119, in enqueue msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device: '/var/mailman/qfiles/in/1125072050.7358339+45abd1d34d96de502460a70b064b7369737d3cd8.msg' 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Final-Recipient: RFC822; satlug@satlug.org X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/var/mailman/mail/mailman post satlug Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 1 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:50 -0500 Thanks, Robert From mark at mccoyfam.net Thu Sep 1 02:59:55 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Thu Sep 1 01:35:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] review of the latest ubuntu prerelease (5.10 colony 3) Message-ID: <4316A6EB.5090205@mccoyfam.net> Well, I downloaded the latest Ubuntu beta, which is 5.10 "colony 3", which is the last beta before the RC version in mid-september. 5.10 is scheduled for october, and it will have gnome 2.12 and some other goodies like modularized X, OOo 2, and GCC 4. So far, the system is a little bit "snappier" than 5.04 on the same hardware (Celeron 1.3G laptop w/ 384MB RAM). I like a lot of the little changes that the gnome people made (and the Ubuntu people). There are still some bugs to iron out upstream, and fixes are being made very rapidly. I ran an "apt-get update" about 3 hours after I installed and there were already about 5 updates available! For straight desktop systems, 5.10 (or "breezy badger" as ubuntu-ites call it) seems to really hit the spot. I haven't tried the KDE version, but I hope that that version gets as well polished as the gnome version (5.04 kubuntu had some issues that I think have been ironed out as it became a fully supported project). From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 1 09:03:33 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 1 07:38:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Test message In-Reply-To: References: <1125406414.1267.731.camel@laptop> <1125407205.3231.734.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1125579817.14826.210.camel@laptop> Yea, That's been fixed Robert. We've got a small space problem on our /var partition. It keeps filling up with individuals e-mail and I've got to go in and whip mailboxes. But we're moving to a new server (soon hopefully) that will have more drive space. More space along with quotas will eliminate that problem. Chuck On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 01:02, Robert Pearson wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 08:06:42 -0500, Chuck wrote: > OK, its fixed now. Gotta love that Linux. None of that bullsh__ > rebooting the server. Just shutdown the Sendmail and Mailman services > and restart them. Whatever had hung is now gone and the list seems to > be working OK. I got the message below and stopped using the list until it was fixed... The original message was received at Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:49 -0500 from zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post satlug" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (most recent call last): Logging error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 338, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 138, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main tolist=1, _plaintext=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 119, in enqueue msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device: '/var/mailman/qfiles/in/1125072050.7358339+45abd1d34d96de502460a70b064b7369737d3cd8.msg' 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Final-Recipient: RFC822; satlug@satlug.org X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/var/mailman/mail/mailman post satlug Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 1 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:50 -0500 Thanks, Robert _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From J at JVPappas.net Thu Sep 1 09:26:46 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Sep 1 08:01:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggested Topic for Sept Mtg... Message-ID: <1125581206.8051.15.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Hey all, As I was cleaning up my email from The List, I noticed that there has been a trend in the emails: Disk/Volume Management. Suggested subtopics: -- SW Raid on linux -- Setup -- Recovery of failed disks -- LVM -- On top of MD devices -- Moving subdisks -- EVMS -- Filesystem interactions -- Resizing LV/FS I do not have enterprise experience with non-commercial Volume managers, however. Thoughts? John From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 09:49:44 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Thu Sep 1 08:24:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] 54 a/g card recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200508312345.26340.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200508281904.53102.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <43147BE0.60409@mccoyfam.net> <869de84705083009083f47d720@mail.gmail.com> <200508312345.26340.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <869de84705090106497bfc8614@mail.gmail.com> nevermind.. *whistles and walks away quickly*. they might have PCI cards too.. I really didn't hit the caffiene before my initial reply. I should have... Note to self: do not post to mailing lists without caffiene first. FIRESTORM_v1 On 8/31/05, Tom Weeks wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 August 2005 11:08, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > > go to www.fab-corp.com < > http://www.fab-corp.com> and look for their orinoco > > classic gold card. it's about $60 but it works in Win/Lin/MacOS and it > has > > an external antenna on it.. :) > > Uhh.. I said it had to be 54g.. and a PCI.. ;) > > Tweeks > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jgentil at sebistar.net Thu Sep 1 09:57:26 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Thu Sep 1 08:32:40 2005 Subject: web publishing, was Re: [SATLUG] website In-Reply-To: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200509010857.26091.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Wednesday 31 August 2005 11:55 pm, Tom Weeks wrote: > On Friday 26 August 2005 03:16, Travis H. wrote: > > Up until this point, I start off as a text document, and then maybe > > add minimal HTML. However, writing HTML by hand is icky, it's hard > > to make it perfectly legal HTML without running a weblint-like tool. > It's called Docbook. It's what most multimedia publishers are moving > to. Because it can be output to screen, page, or whatever. A fairly > good app to create is called XXCE. Here are some others that I've > never used: http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools I've often found that Docbook is just as difficult to author as HTML in terms of being a document format. However, it is far more comprehensive for publishing than HTML is. (But then again, I'm a web developer, and know HTML by heart.) -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From bdubbs at swbell.net Thu Sep 1 09:58:09 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Sep 1 08:33:05 2005 Subject: web publishing, was Re: [SATLUG] website In-Reply-To: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <431708F1.6020901@swbell.net> Tom Weeks wrote: > On Friday 26 August 2005 03:16, Travis H. wrote: > >>Up until this point, I start off as a text document, and then maybe >>add minimal HTML. However, writing HTML by hand is icky, it's hard to >>make it perfectly legal HTML without running a weblint-like tool. > > [...] > >>Any ideas? Or will I have to write it? > > > It's called Docbook. It's what most multimedia publishers are moving to. > Because it can be output to screen, page, or whatever. A fairly good app to > create is called XXCE. Here are some others that I've never used: > http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools Not listed is bluefish. I know several folks that like it. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/cvs/postlfs/bluefish.html -- Bruce From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Sep 1 10:50:24 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Sep 1 09:24:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux 40% cheaper than windows(r) Message-ID: <43171530.50103@cis.sac.accd.edu> http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=4321&inkc=0 . Steve From theoneghost at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 13:46:42 2005 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Thu Sep 1 12:21:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Booting Message-ID: On the computer I was reffering to earlier, I finished installing Slackware 10.1 and it works fine. However, because none of my classmates know Linux they are asking me to dual boot Windows XP on there as well. Is there a way to dual boot without having Windows installed first? I have enoughe RAM and Hard drive space to run Windows even with Linux on there, but how can I get it to install and not remove LILO? Should I go back and install LILO to a floppy? or is there a way to do it from Slackwares command line? - - - Seth From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Sep 1 15:24:37 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Sep 1 13:59:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggested Topic for Sept Mtg... In-Reply-To: <1125581206.8051.15.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <1125581206.8051.15.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <43175575.2090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> John Pappas wrote: >Hey all, > >As I was cleaning up my email from The List, I noticed that there has >been a trend in the emails: Disk/Volume Management. > >Suggested subtopics: >-- SW Raid on linux > -- Setup > -- Recovery of failed disks >-- LVM > -- On top of MD devices > -- Moving subdisks >-- EVMS >-- Filesystem interactions > -- Resizing LV/FS > >I do not have enterprise experience with non-commercial Volume managers, >however. > >Thoughts? >John > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Thanks for the response. We will try and line up something with file systems for the October meeting--any file system presenters lurking out there? I talked to Othneil last night. The September meeting is the 14th. Dr. Dubbs will be giving a presentation on scripts he uses on one of his servers to parse the logs, make changes to iptables, and report the changes. This should be useful information for anyone running a Linux box of any kind. Watch the SATLUG website--the meeting will either be in NTC 213A or in the big room on the second floor of the Chemistry/Geology building. Steve From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 15:46:48 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Sep 1 14:21:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSe In-Reply-To: <20050830133144.89165.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <430DA713.40500@satx.rr.com> <20050830133144.89165.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/30/05, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > --- Mitch Thompson wrote: > > The best thing to do is always have your /home on > > its own partition. > > Then, you can do an upgrade or a reinstall and not > > touch your personal > > data. Of course, you have to think about /etc and > > /var/spool/mail... A good approach is to always try and keep the OS, the Apps and the User Information (/home, Data) in separate storage areas. This is very useful when recovering from a major outage like loss of the disk. My User Information is on at least two separate USB/FireWire external disks. It has been a life saver many times. I've had too many problems with losing disks and losing all the Information. The idea I have been playing with is a Microdrive for the OS, a Compact Flash or USB Flash drive for the Apps and whatever is the cheapest external storage for the User Information. I'm also looking at Small Form Factor (SFF) cases with MicroATX motherboards like the Shuttle boxen. For some really interesting SFF hardware to use, take a look at Bryan Smith's Blog at--- <> Having the Apps in their own partition is the normal installation on Unix and Linux. I had forgotten about doing this on Windows until I got burned a few times. I re-learned how to do this on Windows right at Alamo PC in San Antonio. The separate OS and Apps was a good boot-up and shutdown performance improvement on Windows. It was a huge Recovery improvement. If you can acquire the Enterprise version of the Windows imaging software, or know enough to have other work-a-rounds, then the Apps in a separate image is a huge time saver in a Recovery. > true..but if I have software installed and do not want > to reinstall.... ;) Be sure and check that the Apps work with the new OS first. With a lot of Apps installed the OS migration should be Apps driven. Unfortunately Apps don't coordinate well and one will need the migration and the others won't. This can be a big headache. In the "Best of all Possible Worlds" we should be able to "dd" partitions to images, which we can do, but then restore them at will where we please. AFAIK we cannot do this unless the hardware is identical starting with the disk. You can "dd" an entire disk and restore that image to a different disk but not a partition. I have heard stories of people running Linux LiveCD's and "dd'ing" Windows from one disk to another. I know this works because of "dd". What I can't figure out is what they do when other hardware in the destination machine is different? Don't all the DLL's have to match? I guess it's the price you pay for commodity priced hardware. Without that and free OS's I couldn't afford a computer. For people on a fixed income Windows is unaffordable. Linux is the only answer. Personal experience tells me which is less expensive to won and operate. Thanks, Robert From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 16:11:43 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Sep 1 14:46:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] desktop video capture In-Reply-To: <42C44854.3020908@syn-recon.net> References: <42C423B9.3060805@syn-recon.net> <79ec289f05063010071341d2b3@mail.gmail.com> <42C44854.3020908@syn-recon.net> Message-ID: <277020fc05090113112c1fea35@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, pandemic@syn-recon.net wrote: > > Jeremy Mann wrote: > > Florian, why don't you try vnc2swf? > > > > http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ > > Sorry to drag an old topic out of the closet, but I"m having trouble getting vnc2swf working. When I try to launch it from the command line, it simply freezes my terminal and even hitting CTRL-C does not end the command. I don't see any way to run it with a 'debug' or verbose option. How can I figure out why it won't work? I have all the prereqs installed, eg pygame and latest version of python. Thanks Sean From jtiner at gvtc.com Thu Sep 1 16:20:13 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Sep 1 14:52:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linspire Message-ID: <1125606013.12849.3.camel@localhost> I don't think it would be very popular around a LUG, but linspire 5.0 is free for the next couple of days. if you want it, go to their website, click on the button to buy linspire 5.0, add a coupon. use the word 'freespire' (no quotes) and click the button to apply the coupon. this offer is made because they asked the guy who was putting together the freespire distro to change names. kind of a peace offering to the community. this could be something that would be good to give to newbies... From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 14:53:21 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Sep 1 15:28:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linspire In-Reply-To: <1125606013.12849.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050901205321.7985.qmail@web54308.mail.yahoo.com> I wonder how good it is w/Winders apps. --- James Tiner wrote: > I don't think it would be very popular around a LUG, > but linspire 5.0 is > free for the next couple of days. if you want it, go > to their website, > click on the button to buy linspire 5.0, add a > coupon. use the word > 'freespire' (no quotes) and click the button to > apply the coupon. this > offer is made because they asked the guy who was > putting together the > freespire distro to change names. kind of a peace > offering to the > community. this could be something that would be > good to give to > newbies... > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wanelson at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 17:23:53 2005 From: wanelson at yahoo.com (Wayne Nelson) Date: Thu Sep 1 15:58:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSe References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A99E5@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <43177169.000001.03024@HERC1> Hello Walt, I just installed SuSe 9.3 on a desktop and a laptop. I have all the DVD's (2) and CD's (5). I also have 9.1, never installed. I skipped version 9.2. If you would like a copy, you are welcome to it. So far I really like the Yast/Yast2 etc., especially since I'm new to Linux. Version 10 should be out this month, I believe. Let me know if you are anyone else is interested @ SATLUG. Wayne Nelson wanelson@yahoo.com Linux Newbie -------Original Message------- From: DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA Date: 08/24/05 15:31:38 To: 'satlug@satlug.org' Subject: [SATLUG] SuSe Is anyone using SuSe 9.2? Walt _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From aedinius at hotmail.com Thu Sep 1 19:10:39 2005 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Thu Sep 1 17:46:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] NextStep In-Reply-To: <431479A3.4060003@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: Actually, he didn't really drive it into the ground. He brought practically everything over from NeXT to Apple, and it is the foundation for Apple's OS X. ObjectiveC and the various Kits (Application Kit, Foundation Kit, etc), became "Cocoa". //Drew >From: "Mark D. McCoy" >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] NextStep >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:22:11 -0500 > >Jeremy Mann wrote: >>Hey guys/gals, I'm going over the computers that were donated and one >>Digital Ventuis GL system boots the NextStep MACH Operating System. >>I've never heard of this. The boot section seems a LOT like *nix. I'm >>curious if anybody has worked with this before. >> >> > >Next was the company Steve Jobs founded after he left Apple. It had a >"sexy" Unix box (at the time) that had a lot of promise. The NextStep >system was based around a variant of C called Objective-C (C with real >Object Oriented programming) that was pretty cool for its day. The case >desings were cool (anyone remember the Cube?). > >Jobs proceeded to drive it into the ground (as usual) and later moved back >to Apple. > >You might know NextStep in its updated, FreeBSD-based version with fancy >graphics -- MacOS X. ;-) > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mark at mccoyfam.net Thu Sep 1 19:19:52 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Thu Sep 1 17:55:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] NextStep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43178C98.6020505@mccoyfam.net> Andrew Benson wrote: > Actually, he didn't really drive it into the ground. He brought > practically everything over from NeXT to Apple, and it is the foundation > for Apple's OS X. ObjectiveC and the various Kits (Application Kit, > Foundation Kit, etc), became "Cocoa". > > //Drew I guess by "driving into the ground" I meant from a business standpoint. Technologically, Next was WAY ahead of its time, as proven by the inclusion of all of the Next ideas in MacOS X. All props to Next. From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 1 21:11:43 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 1 19:46:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Hi everyone, I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. I thought that SATLUG might do its part in helping these poor people by providing what we can -- some computer/Internet access. I've already spoken with the owner of the ISP I work with. He's open to the idea and has agreed to provide access to his Internet pipe. He's going to talk to SBC about donating one or two DSL lines for the time. I'm going to kick in some equipment and the router to connect the computers. And I also have a couple PCs that can be used. But I thought I'd toss the idea out to SATLUG. Get a feeler if there are people who would donate to the effort. We're talking about a low-to-mid power computer -- probably a high-end P2 to a low-end P4 or AMD equivalent. Monitor, keyboard, and mouse with each would be needed. NO HARD DRIVES. I figured we'd supply each system with a CD-ROM and a copy of KNOPPIX. That way, we don't have to worry about installing anything, people downloading/installing programs, or viruses. It should also avoid the problem with people monopolizing the computers while downloading/storing music or the like. So, what do you think guys & gals? Are there some members who would loan a computer for a while to support these refugees? And maybe a couple volunteers to spend a couple hours there each day helping people? We can switch out and each person take one a day of the week to visit/help. Of course, we'll have to coordinate with the refugee center operations to get permission and make sure we have a monitored/secure area for the computers -- we don't want them springing legs during the night... I was told this afternoon that SBC has already stepped forward in Houston to provide wired phones, cell phones, and Internet access. I think we should first check if they are going to do the same here. If so -- I think they'll beat us out in equipment and savvy. But if they aren't doing the same here -- its a great chance for us to not only help these people, but we can spread the word about our favorite OS. Maybe some people will get the idea when they see what can be done with a CD-only OS -- let alone the installed version. Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? Chuck From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 1 22:41:01 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 1 21:16:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD Message-ID: <1125628862.17578.15.camel@laptop> Hey guys, Has anyone else gotten a look at the new Knoppix 4 DVD??? Its GREAT! Besides a huge number of programs -- it does something that I haven't seen with any other distribution. It labels the program names with what an explanation of what the program is! As more and more Linux programs come out, its difficult to keep up with what is coming out and the names of these programs. In a number of installations, I've just sat there and started each program in the X menu list to see what it is. On this Knoppix DVD, the program lists are huge and contain a little explanation behind each -- like Krdc (Remote Desktop Connection) -- is in the INTERNET folder of programs Atlantik (Monopoly-like Board Game) -- is in the GAMES, BOARD GAMES folder of programs Kile (LaTeX Frontend) -- is in the OFFICE folder of programs This is great. No more opening each program to find one that does what you need. Explanations -- who would have thought of that??? Well, that is just one of the great features I've found on this DVD. You can see a list of the packages on the ISO at http://www.tetlow.net/Knoppix4DVD/packages-dvd-txt. Its one hell of a long list. If anyone would like to check out the DVD for themselves -- I'll post the ISO on my server tomorrow. The ISO is too large for me to upload thru RR, it would take forever at 44KB upload speed. But I've got the image on my laptop and I'll take it over there for upload tomorrow. By the way, the image is 3.1Gig in size -- so please take it easy on my ISP friend and don't everyone hit the server for download at the same time. Too much bandwidth hogging and he'll throw out my box! Chuck From msellers at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 1 23:42:32 2005 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael W. Sellers) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:19:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD In-Reply-To: <1125628862.17578.15.camel@laptop> References: <1125628862.17578.15.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4317CA28.7000702@sbcglobal.net> I have KDE on Gentoo, and it has the same thing. You can edit that in the menu editor. Mike Chuck wrote: > Hey guys, > > Has anyone else gotten a look at the new Knoppix 4 DVD??? Its GREAT! > > Besides a huge number of programs -- it does something that I haven't > seen with any other distribution. It labels the program names with what > an explanation of what the program is! > > As more and more Linux programs come out, its difficult to keep up with > what is coming out and the names of these programs. In a number of > installations, I've just sat there and started each program in the X > menu list to see what it is. On this Knoppix DVD, the program lists are > huge and contain a little explanation behind each -- like > Krdc (Remote Desktop Connection) -- is in the INTERNET folder of > programs > Atlantik (Monopoly-like Board Game) -- is in the GAMES, BOARD GAMES > folder of programs > Kile (LaTeX Frontend) -- is in the OFFICE folder of programs > > This is great. No more opening each program to find one that does what > you need. Explanations -- who would have thought of that??? > > Well, that is just one of the great features I've found on this DVD. > You can see a list of the packages on the ISO at > http://www.tetlow.net/Knoppix4DVD/packages-dvd-txt. Its one hell of a > long list. > > If anyone would like to check out the DVD for themselves -- I'll post > the ISO on my server tomorrow. The ISO is too large for me to upload > thru RR, it would take forever at 44KB upload speed. But I've got the > image on my laptop and I'll take it over there for upload tomorrow. By > the way, the image is 3.1Gig in size -- so please take it easy on my ISP > friend and don't everyone hit the server for download at the same time. > Too much bandwidth hogging and he'll throw out my box! > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jftitan at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 1 23:56:05 2005 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:32:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD In-Reply-To: <4317CA28.7000702@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200509020357.j823uK9D018055@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> Why not start a torrent tracker with it.. Share the bandwidth, and save the pain of hosting the entire image. Check out knoppix.net for the tracker page http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/stats.html?info_hash=8f143969680c54c4a9178a 351cb0c2f0337a314f Sincerely, Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Consultant SwapNEtwork eXtreme, LLC -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Michael W. Sellers Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:43 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD I have KDE on Gentoo, and it has the same thing. You can edit that in the menu editor. Mike Chuck wrote: > Hey guys, > > Has anyone else gotten a look at the new Knoppix 4 DVD??? Its GREAT! > > Besides a huge number of programs -- it does something that I haven't > seen with any other distribution. It labels the program names with > what an explanation of what the program is! > > As more and more Linux programs come out, its difficult to keep up > with what is coming out and the names of these programs. In a number > of installations, I've just sat there and started each program in the > X menu list to see what it is. On this Knoppix DVD, the program lists > are huge and contain a little explanation behind each -- like Krdc > (Remote Desktop Connection) -- is in the INTERNET folder of programs > Atlantik (Monopoly-like Board Game) -- is in the GAMES, BOARD GAMES > folder of programs Kile (LaTeX Frontend) -- is in the OFFICE folder of > programs > > This is great. No more opening each program to find one that does > what you need. Explanations -- who would have thought of that??? > > Well, that is just one of the great features I've found on this DVD. > You can see a list of the packages on the ISO at > http://www.tetlow.net/Knoppix4DVD/packages-dvd-txt. Its one hell of a > long list. > > If anyone would like to check out the DVD for themselves -- I'll post > the ISO on my server tomorrow. The ISO is too large for me to upload > thru RR, it would take forever at 44KB upload speed. But I've got the > image on my laptop and I'll take it over there for upload tomorrow. > By the way, the image is 3.1Gig in size -- so please take it easy on > my ISP friend and don't everyone hit the server for download at the same time. > Too much bandwidth hogging and he'll throw out my box! > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jftitan at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 1 23:57:28 2005 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:32:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD In-Reply-To: <4317CA28.7000702@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200509020357.j823vhRa000953@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> Why not start a torrent tracker with it.. Share the bandwidth, and save the pain of hosting the entire image. Check out knoppix.net for the tracker page http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/stats.html?info_hash=8f143969680c54c4a9178a 351cb0c2f0337a314f Sincerely, Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Consultant SwapNEtwork eXtreme, LLC -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Michael W. Sellers Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:43 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD I have KDE on Gentoo, and it has the same thing. You can edit that in the menu editor. Mike Chuck wrote: > Hey guys, > > Has anyone else gotten a look at the new Knoppix 4 DVD??? Its GREAT! > > Besides a huge number of programs -- it does something that I haven't > seen with any other distribution. It labels the program names with > what an explanation of what the program is! > > As more and more Linux programs come out, its difficult to keep up > with what is coming out and the names of these programs. In a number > of installations, I've just sat there and started each program in the > X menu list to see what it is. On this Knoppix DVD, the program lists > are huge and contain a little explanation behind each -- like Krdc > (Remote Desktop Connection) -- is in the INTERNET folder of programs > Atlantik (Monopoly-like Board Game) -- is in the GAMES, BOARD GAMES > folder of programs Kile (LaTeX Frontend) -- is in the OFFICE folder of > programs > > This is great. No more opening each program to find one that does > what you need. Explanations -- who would have thought of that??? > > Well, that is just one of the great features I've found on this DVD. > You can see a list of the packages on the ISO at > http://www.tetlow.net/Knoppix4DVD/packages-dvd-txt. Its one hell of a > long list. > > If anyone would like to check out the DVD for themselves -- I'll post > the ISO on my server tomorrow. The ISO is too large for me to upload > thru RR, it would take forever at 44KB upload speed. But I've got the > image on my laptop and I'll take it over there for upload tomorrow. > By the way, the image is 3.1Gig in size -- so please take it easy on > my ISP friend and don't everyone hit the server for download at the same time. > Too much bandwidth hogging and he'll throw out my box! > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 00:16:44 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:51:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Booting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should be able to install Windoze, then re-install GRUB and set it up to chain-load XP as a menu item. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 00:23:07 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:58:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggested Topic for Sept Mtg... In-Reply-To: <43175575.2090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <1125581206.8051.15.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <43175575.2090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: > Thanks for the response. We will try and line up something with file > systems for the October meeting--any file system presenters lurking out > there? I just got done learning about this. LVM, resizing file systems, software RAID, and disk encryption. The LVM howto is pretty good, the software RAID howto is a little out of date, and there are some bits of trivia scattered here and there. Like combining LVM and software RAID, using dm-crypt, device mapper, converting a normal file system to RAID-1 while online, converting file system types in-place, etc. It'd take a bit of work to collect it all into a talk. I'd like to hear a talk on version control some time. I know there have been a few improvements upon CVS since I last looked into these things, subversion, git, bitkeeper, etc... but learning all the ins and outs of these things takes some time. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 00:24:47 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:59:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] desktop video capture In-Reply-To: <277020fc05090113112c1fea35@mail.gmail.com> References: <42C423B9.3060805@syn-recon.net> <79ec289f05063010071341d2b3@mail.gmail.com> <42C44854.3020908@syn-recon.net> <277020fc05090113112c1fea35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Sorry to drag an old topic out of the closet, but I"m having trouble getting > vnc2swf working. When I try to launch it from the command line, it simply > freezes my terminal and even hitting CTRL-C does not end the command. I > don't see any way to run it with a 'debug' or verbose option. How can I > figure out why it won't work? I have all the prereqs installed, eg pygame > and latest version of python. strace is what I use in situations like that. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 01:50:39 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 2 00:25:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: > Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? Sounds great. I could burn Knoppix CD/DVDs and maybe help people on my weekend (I have a 3 day weekend, and normally work nights, so if we need a night watchman, I may be your man). I also have some security cables for cabling equipment to furniture or anchor points. Might be able to loan a computer, depending on the security arrangements. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 02:43:24 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 2 01:18:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] can someone do a google hacks talk? Message-ID: I'd be interested in hearing about advanced google or p2p usage if someone could do a talk on that. On the crypto note, this is an interesting google: "index of" secring.gpg It'd be amusing to conduct a dictionary attack on those, then send the people key revocation certificates for their keys... (key rev certs require knowing the passphrase to generate them) -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 06:02:42 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 2 04:37:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] NextStep In-Reply-To: <43178C98.6020505@mccoyfam.net> References: <43178C98.6020505@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: > I guess by "driving into the ground" I meant from a business standpoint. > Technologically, Next was WAY ahead of its time, as proven by the > inclusion of all of the Next ideas in MacOS X. All props to Next. You know, I always think of myself as not particularly price-sensitive, but when I think of Macs I always think "twice as expensive as it needs to be" and awful experiences using the beige toasters in an assembly language class (when quadras were modern). And now I'm buying SATA drives instead of SCSI. The keychain feature seems pretty cool. An OS vendor could do a lot, including locking the keys in RAM (so it won't get written to the disk in unencrypted form), etc. Since they also make hardware, they could build in support for a "security hub" kind of like the one Intel was promoting at one time, and use it consistently across the code base... ensuring that every app that needs random numbers gets it from the HW RNG, etc. And the PC BIOS is.... ugh. OpenFirmware seems very cool, writing it in FORTH is way nerdy... putting each app in its own directory structure makes uninstalls a lot less complicated... any Mac afficianados want to offer up other reasons to shell out the bucks for one? -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From biigal at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 2 06:48:15 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Fri Sep 2 05:22:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <001601c5afab$d3081d80$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. BiigAl PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "SATLUG" Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > Hi everyone, > > I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. > And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. > > Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San > Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as > 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the > clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they > usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and > work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. > REST SNIPPED" > Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? > > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 08:36:51 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 2 07:11:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: What about us coders making a CGI and database for tracking evacuees? It could be wiki-like, where anyone can enter data from whereever, with the ability to revert vandalism once detected. Then all we'd have to do is get the word out, and people could get in contact with evacuees and evacuees could let family know about their location, contact info, etc. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Sep 2 09:06:33 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Sep 2 07:41:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> That's a GREAT idea...something that the Red Cross is suppose to do and has never been able to pull it off successfully. Additionally, its something that the San Antonio EOC needs...and Don has the server for the EOC that can do that...so Don if needed, use that server. Of course the problem with tracking is that you really need a signed release statement so you can put in the individual's personal information, i.e. home address, telephone number SSAN, etc. So what you wind up with is name (First middle and last), city evacuated from, present location (facility), a contact telephone number if they want to give it, and an ID number (Ideally their SSAN but you can make up one such as SAT00921. You need full sorting and search capability. If you allow other than computer opertors to use the system, the search should only be by name and give the city/location they were evacuated from and current location. AND this should be a simple HTML presentation. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Travis H. Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:37 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support What about us coders making a CGI and database for tracking evacuees? It could be wiki-like, where anyone can enter data from whereever, with the ability to revert vandalism once detected. Then all we'd have to do is get the word out, and people could get in contact with evacuees and evacuees could let family know about their location, contact info, etc. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Sep 2 09:15:43 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Sep 2 07:50:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2D@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> The word I got late last night from our EOC rep. was that we could have up to 30,000 refugees with 5,000 being injured. We need the database suggested and look up capability. If you can do this for the Houston Astrodome and Dallas evacuation sites, then we have REALLY done a good thing. The San Antonio EOC or Red Cross can help you get in touch with the Houston and Dallas folks who would have a list. Putting the search function on-line accessed via the web would be super...you just don't want to let the general public in as you will have 10 hits for every individual you list as folks who don't know where their relatives and friends are will want to check/search the database...you have to restrict it to "official use only". Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12 PM To: SATLUG Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Hi everyone, I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. I thought that SATLUG might do its part in helping these poor people by providing what we can -- some computer/Internet access. I've already spoken with the owner of the ISP I work with. He's open to the idea and has agreed to provide access to his Internet pipe. He's going to talk to SBC about donating one or two DSL lines for the time. I'm going to kick in some equipment and the router to connect the computers. And I also have a couple PCs that can be used. But I thought I'd toss the idea out to SATLUG. Get a feeler if there are people who would donate to the effort. We're talking about a low-to-mid power computer -- probably a high-end P2 to a low-end P4 or AMD equivalent. Monitor, keyboard, and mouse with each would be needed. NO HARD DRIVES. I figured we'd supply each system with a CD-ROM and a copy of KNOPPIX. That way, we don't have to worry about installing anything, people downloading/installing programs, or viruses. It should also avoid the problem with people monopolizing the computers while downloading/storing music or the like. So, what do you think guys & gals? Are there some members who would loan a computer for a while to support these refugees? And maybe a couple volunteers to spend a couple hours there each day helping people? We can switch out and each person take one a day of the week to visit/help. Of course, we'll have to coordinate with the refugee center operations to get permission and make sure we have a monitored/secure area for the computers -- we don't want them springing legs during the night... I was told this afternoon that SBC has already stepped forward in Houston to provide wired phones, cell phones, and Internet access. I think we should first check if they are going to do the same here. If so -- I think they'll beat us out in equipment and savvy. But if they aren't doing the same here -- its a great chance for us to not only help these people, but we can spread the word about our favorite OS. Maybe some people will get the idea when they see what can be done with a CD-only OS -- let alone the installed version. Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? Chuck _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Sep 2 09:30:00 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:04:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A31@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Al, If you haven't left yet, please call me at 216-9849...I need a ride to Dallas this weekend to work disaster communications from up there. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Albert W Lochli Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. BiigAl PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "SATLUG" Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > Hi everyone, > > I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. > And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. > > Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San > Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as > 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the > clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they > usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and > work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. > REST SNIPPED" > Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? > > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Sep 2 07:32:36 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:07:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <20050902133237.99004.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Use a mysql database to store all the info w/a php+html front end? I'd skip the signed release thing..if I was real gung-ho about this I'd drive up to wherever they (the refugees) will be housed and tell them what you are doing. They can submit their name, address, phone # and SSN. If you want to make a generic dump for the public on your www site showing who is in SA you can do that just omit the SSN or other private information. On top of that family can go to your website and search by name/address/SSN/phone for their relative. You can even have a comment box that the refugee can leave for whomever. -Alex > Of course the problem with tracking is that you > really need a signed release > statement so you can put in the individual's > personal information, i.e. home > address, telephone number SSAN, etc. So what you > wind up with is name > (First middle and last), city evacuated from, > present location (facility), a > contact telephone number if they want to give it, > and an ID number (Ideally > their SSAN but you can make up one such as SAT00921. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 09:46:08 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:21:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 01 Sep 2005 20:11:43 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. > And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. The "I'm OK" databases have been started at different major news website around the area. http://www.nola.com http://www.foxnews.com We can do something similar here, when the refugee's start ariving at the abandoned wharehouses at KellyUSA. If you think this quad P133 server will help, Chuck, consider it donated. -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Sep 2 09:49:29 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:24:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A32@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Since the Red Cross controls the shelters, to get into the shelters and get and names from individuals or from Red Cross lists, you must get permission from the Red Cross. The Red Cross will NOT let you take information from a refugee unless they sign a waiver or have signed the Red Cross waiver. This is for the Red Cross' protection. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Alex Bartonek Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:33 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Use a mysql database to store all the info w/a php+html front end? I'd skip the signed release thing..if I was real gung-ho about this I'd drive up to wherever they (the refugees) will be housed and tell them what you are doing. They can submit their name, address, phone # and SSN. If you want to make a generic dump for the public on your www site showing who is in SA you can do that just omit the SSN or other private information. On top of that family can go to your website and search by name/address/SSN/phone for their relative. You can even have a comment box that the refugee can leave for whomever. -Alex > Of course the problem with tracking is that you > really need a signed release > statement so you can put in the individual's > personal information, i.e. home > address, telephone number SSAN, etc. So what you > wind up with is name > (First middle and last), city evacuated from, > present location (facility), a > contact telephone number if they want to give it, > and an ID number (Ideally > their SSAN but you can make up one such as SAT00921. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Sep 2 07:56:19 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:31:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A32@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> ok.. how about showing up with a few (quite a bit) of writing tablets, let the people know we're from SATLUG, what our intents are..have them write their info and sign off to what we are doing? --- DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > Since the Red Cross controls the shelters, to get > into the shelters and get > and names from individuals or from Red Cross lists, > you must get permission > from the Red Cross. The Red Cross will NOT let you > take information from a > refugee unless they sign a waiver or have signed the > Red Cross waiver. This > is for the Red Cross' protection. > > Walt ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jgentil at sebistar.net Fri Sep 2 10:57:28 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Fri Sep 2 09:32:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509020957.28748.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Friday 02 September 2005 08:56 am, Alex Bartonek wrote: > ok.. how about showing up with a few (quite a bit) of > writing tablets, let the people know we're from > SATLUG, what our intents are..have them write their > info and sign off to what we are doing? Overall I think it'll end up being a duplication of information. The Red Cross has a lot of that stuff under control already. I think the best that we can do is provide ways for people to communicate, not a tracking system. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From mark at mccoyfam.net Fri Sep 2 11:37:34 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:12:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <431871BE.9030201@mccoyfam.net> Travis H. wrote: >>Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? > > > Sounds great. I could burn Knoppix CD/DVDs and maybe help people on > my weekend (I have a 3 day weekend, and normally work nights, so if we > need a > night watchman, I may be your man). I also have some security cables for > cabling equipment to furniture or anchor points. Might be able to loan a > computer, depending on the security arrangements. I can help in any way I can. I can burn CD's, and I can put together a P2 500 w/ CDROM, keyboard, mouse, and monitor. I suggest that we use CD's instead of DVD's since if we get together used computers they probably won't have dvd drives. From mikeaw at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 11:49:27 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:24:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <200509020957.28748.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> <200509020957.28748.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <4154519d05090208496158b9db@mail.gmail.com> > Overall I think it'll end up being a duplication of information. > > The Red Cross has a lot of that stuff under control already. I think the > best that we can do is provide ways for people to communicate, not a > tracking system. I agree. The Cross Red should be responsible for tracking. In a situation like this, it can be very important to not repeat yourself. More repetitive information can be very dangerous as one database says one thing, another says something else and no one knows which is correct. Let's just worry about getting them the ability to communicate with their friends and loved ones. -Mike From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Sep 2 12:16:37 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:51:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:06:33 -0500 , DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: >That's a GREAT idea...something that the Red Cross is suppose to do and has >never been able to pull it off successfully. > >Additionally, its something that the San Antonio EOC needs...and Don has the >server for the EOC that can do that...so Don if needed, use that server. Let me know when and where. [[ 860-7455 ]] Athlon 1.0GHz, 512MB, twin 20 GB hard drives (currently in RAID), yada yada. Kept hot so I have reasonable expectation the hardware works. OK to wipe and reload as needed. Can also loan the project an external 120 GB hard drive for 'take & lock' storage of the data. We might set up a small LAN with some older boxes I have that would serve as data entry stations. We can reload any of these as needed. Also have a spare Linksys BEFSX41 for basic protection or VPN. Let's get these penguins marching! --Don From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Sep 2 13:00:11 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 2 11:35:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <4154519d05090208496158b9db@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> <200509020957.28748.jgentil@sebistar.net> <4154519d05090208496158b9db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1v0hh15kp4qaolrbjthun3p14fovschp41@4ax.com> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:49:27 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > Let's just worry about getting them the ability to >communicate with their friends and loved ones. SBC has phones and Internet in the Kelly Refugee Center. They are also setting up an incoming message system. No specific mention of computers. (WOAI TV continuous coverage) --Don From jr7958 at sbc.com Fri Sep 2 13:35:48 2005 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Fri Sep 2 12:10:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> SBC has announced that they will be providing services in San Antonio too. You might want to call the local center and find out who is in charge so you can talk to them and get an idea of what they will be providing so duplicate effort is avoided. > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12 PM > To: SATLUG > Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > I was told this afternoon that SBC has already stepped forward in > Houston to provide wired phones, cell phones, and Internet access. I > think we should first check if they are going to do the same here. If > so -- I think they'll beat us out in equipment and savvy. But if they > aren't doing the same here -- its a great chance for us to not only help > these people, but we can spread the word about our favorite OS. Maybe > some people will get the idea when they see what can be done with a > CD-only OS -- let alone the installed version. From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 14:36:45 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Sep 2 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] New Orleans ISP Message-ID: <277020fc05090211361c442e3e@mail.gmail.com> Gang: The folks over at DirectNIC in the data center in NOLA need some help with bandwidth to mirror the wiki, photos, and video feed that they have setup. IF any of you can donate bandwidth or server space (They need minimum 100 mb/s connection) please join the IRC channel: irc.freenode.net #interdictor-tech You can get more info on Interdictor's blog at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor Thanks Sean From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Sep 2 14:37:27 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri Sep 2 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <24882.143.166.226.16.1125686247.squirrel@www.camerontech.com> > Hi everyone, > > I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. > And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. > There are already a couple of projects like this - have a look at http://www.publicwebstations.com/ Thomas From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Sep 2 15:19:38 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 2 13:54:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:35:48 -0500, "REYNOLDS, JEREMY \(SBCSI\)" wrote: >SBC has announced that they will be providing services in San Antonio Has anyone here checked with Red Cross about what we can do to help? I know SBC and the Telephone Pioneers have phones and "Internet access" in place at Kelly USA (and Astrodome Houston). No mention yet about how many actual PCs are there. SATLUG has computer and network professionals ready to go, and can lay hands on equipment and make it work where needed. Would one of our officers please step up? If nothing else, telephone 2-1-1 is supposed to be a contact for local volunteers. --Don From cilorentson at devtex.net Fri Sep 2 16:04:40 2005 From: cilorentson at devtex.net (Chuck Lorentson) Date: Fri Sep 2 14:39:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] please talk s-l-o-w, cl Message-ID: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> My name is Chuck Lorentson, and I appreciate this 'source', with that said I hope you don't mind if I ''made another run''. I have a question, but please talk slow.....I have read several times in the past different computer articles and they will refer to "x86". Today I come across 'this' again, the statement was ,,,,,,,,,,,"to use Intel's pricy 64-bit Itanium chip as its hardware platform. Most Linux installations rely on far cheaper x86 hardware",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, could someone explain what is being stated? Yes, I know I could have 'googled' this, but, you guys, and this 'platform', are at the 'heart' of the matter Thanks in advance. 73 cl.. From jgentil at sebistar.net Fri Sep 2 16:10:57 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Fri Sep 2 14:46:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] please talk s-l-o-w, cl In-Reply-To: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> References: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> Message-ID: <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Friday 02 September 2005 03:04 pm, Chuck Lorentson wrote: > My name is Chuck Lorentson, and I appreciate this 'source', with that > said I hope you don't mind if I ''made another run''. I have a > question, but please talk slow.....I have read several times in the > past different computer articles and they will refer to "x86". Today > I come across 'this' again, the statement was ,,,,,,,,,,,"to use > Intel's pricy 64-bit Itanium chip as its hardware platform. Most Linux > installations rely on far cheaper x86 hardware",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > could someone explain what is being stated? Yes, I know I could have > 'googled' this, but, you guys, and this 'platform', are at the 'heart' > of the matter Thanks in advance. 73 cl.. Sure. x86 refers to the processor series released by Intel. It started with the 8086, progressed to the 80286, 80386, etc. The Pentium was really a 80586, and such. Any processor that is compatable with that series is considered to use "x86" architecture. Itanium processors are NOT x86 compatable. They are a whole new (and pretty well failed) line of processors by Intel for server-class 64 bit processing. Intel has since followed suit with AMD to produce x86-compatable 64-bit processors. I don't remember what the Intel product name is for their AMD-64 compatable series. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 2 16:28:49 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Sep 2 15:05:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] please talk s-l-o-w, cl In-Reply-To: <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <4944.208.191.193.29.1125692929.squirrel@208.191.193.29> i'll talk even slower. if you were to bring home an itanium based system that had a blank hard drive, you would NOT be able to go to bestbuy and buy any software to get it running. ~e From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Sep 2 16:41:32 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri Sep 2 15:31:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] please talk s-l-o-w, cl In-Reply-To: <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <31851.143.166.226.16.1125693692.squirrel@www.camerontech.com> > I don't remember what the Intel product name is for their > AMD-64 compatable series. Extended Memory 64 Technology (EM64T) - see http://www.intel.com/technology/64bitextensions/ for more details. Thomas From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Sep 2 22:31:38 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 2 21:06:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: To quote our friend Stance: This is just a pre-reminder of the next San Antonio Computer Show. Date: SEPTEMBER 10-11 Location: AIRPORT CONVENTION CENTER / 8505 N. BROADWAY @ LOOP 410 -- Linux enthusiasts wanted. No wages. Uncomfortable chairs. Long hours under fluorescent light. Lousy food. Overthrow of Evil Empire doubtful. Honour and recognition in case of success. Contact booth team: wmail@wricomp.com From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Sep 2 23:10:56 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Sep 2 21:45:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: References: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <1125717057.17578.114.camel@laptop> HEY everyone, First I want to thank BiigAl, Walt, Don, Thomas, Geoff, and everyone else who volunteered to help or provide computers. But as Jeremy mentioned in his message -- I was informed this afternoon that SBC *IS* in fact providing phone and Internet access at Kelly. I suspect they can provide a lot more and more recent/better computers than we can. But even if not, our SBC contact wouldn't go along with the idea since their own company is doing that same thing. So, our plan is a bust. But thanks again to everyone who volunteered... I like the idea of the refugee database. But as Walt mentioned, Red Cross already has this same type of capability internally. And anything we could whip up would just be a duplication of effort. Plus, I heard on the radio today that there are already websites up doing the same thing. I haven't had time to search for any of them yet (just got home a little while ago), but I'll report anything I find. Anyway, good ideas all and nice to see everyone ready to pitch in to help these refugees. I hope we can find some way to help using our own particular skills. But even if we can't help with computer support or skills, we can always donate personal goods or cash. Lorrie is working on a big bundle of stuff right now. Maybe we'll see some of you when we make our donation run. Chuck On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 14:19, Don Wright wrote: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:35:48 -0500, "REYNOLDS, JEREMY \(SBCSI\)" wrote: >SBC has announced that they will be providing services in San Antonio Has anyone here checked with Red Cross about what we can do to help? I know SBC and the Telephone Pioneers have phones and "Internet access" in place at Kelly USA (and Astrodome Houston). No mention yet about how many actual PCs are there. SATLUG has computer and network professionals ready to go, and can lay hands on equipment and make it work where needed. Would one of our officers please step up? If nothing else, telephone 2-1-1 is supposed to be a contact for local volunteers. --Don _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 01:07:38 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Sep 2 23:42:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: file server questions In-Reply-To: References: <200508312349.50182.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On 9/1/05, Travis H. wrote: > ...[snip]... > Not sure what the PCI-32 max bus speed is. The PCI-32 bus at 33 MHz according to this table--- <> is... Bits Bytes Connection (peak - not sustained) =========================================== PCI 32/33 1064 Mbit/s 133 MB/s PCI 64/66 4264 Mbit/s 533 MB/s PCI 64/33 ? ? PCI-X 133 8528 Mbit/s 1066 MB/s PCI-X DDR 18.064 Gbit/s 2.133 GB/s PCI Express (x1 link) 4000 Mbit/s 500 MB/s PCI Express (x4 link) 16.00 Gbit/s 2 GB/s PCI Express (x16 link) 64 Gbit/s 8 GB/s HyperTransport (800MHz, 16-pair) 51.2 Gbit/s 6.4 GB/s Serial ATA 1200 Mbit/s 150 MB/s Serial ATA (SATA300) 2400 Mbit/s 300 MB/s I am not an engineer but it appears that bandwidth is easily manipulated by chip makers to improve the PCI "burst" bandwidth to be "sustained" bandwidth from my reading at--- <> Xilinx claims that by optimizing the chip transfer timing to the design connection and increasing the buffer in the chip they can sustain the quoted "peak" rates. I am interested in determining accurate bandwidth rates in Information transfers for my "Speed Limit of the Information Universe" matrix. This is the "Speed Limit" from a source device like a disk drive, any removable media storage device, LUN, RAID unit, LVM, SAN, NAS, through the peripheral interconnects, system interconnects, and network to a destination device. (1) How long does it take for a keystroke to produce the desired action? (2) How long does it take one byte to move from a source to a destination? Thanks, Robert From theoneghost at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 01:53:59 2005 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Sat Sep 3 00:28:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder for Computer Blast. Message-ID: Who exactly is going to computer blast? I dont think I was given a name of a person to look for. Or do I just go to the booth? I should have asked these questions earlier, but I forgot. If you guys dont know what Im talking about, Im the guy who couldnt install on the dell laptop. -- - Seth From mikeaw at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 01:59:11 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Sat Sep 3 00:34:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125717057.17578.114.camel@laptop> References: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> <1125717057.17578.114.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4154519d05090222592f5c5fd9@mail.gmail.com> > we can always donate personal goods or cash. This is the best thing we can do at the moment. All of us feel like we want to do so much more for our new neighbors, but for now, money, food, clothing and blood are what's really necessary. I heard something earlier in the evening about the blood and tissue center needing type AB blood, both positive and negative. -Mike From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Sep 3 02:17:24 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sat Sep 3 00:52:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder for Computer Blast. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3mfih1hsch0vi5nfg044r51e9bf9mtnnch@4ax.com> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:53:59 -0500, Seth Sanchez wrote: >Who exactly is going to computer blast? I dont think I was given a name of a >person to look for. Or do I just go to the booth? Several of us are regulars at the booth. You can check in with whoever's there. If someone specific is helping you with your install, try to coordinate so you both show up at the same time. --Don (just another convention junkie) Also remember the SAC InstallFest and SATLUG meeting, coming soon to a college near you. www.satlug.org From joshua_penrod at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 12:12:29 2005 From: joshua_penrod at yahoo.com (Joshua Penrod) Date: Sun Sep 4 12:47:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? Message-ID: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't even play on windows if you're trying to run it in Firefox. Thanks, Josh ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From masterr at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 15:08:15 2005 From: masterr at gmail.com (masterr@gmail.com) Date: Sun Sep 4 13:43:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14842c4105090412082f3bd18a@mail.gmail.com> Shoutcast works fine with XMMS, Beep-Media-Player and several other linux music players. You might want to try some shoutcast stations. http://www.shoutcast.com On 9/4/05, Joshua Penrod wrote: > > When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, > but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use > Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any > internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are > Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says > that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't > even play on windows if you're trying to run it in > Firefox. > > Thanks, > > Josh > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jon/MasteR masterr@gmail.com i am a n00b From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Sun Sep 4 16:04:32 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Sun Sep 4 14:38:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Survivor Update... Message-ID: <200509041938.j84Jccf01415@alamo.satlug.org> Here are some links to the databases of survivors of the storm.if you know anyone that might find this useful please pass along. http://wx.gulfcoastnews.com/katrina/status.aspx http://www.familylinks.icrc.org/katrina/people Also Salsa.Net is working with community networks in Austin, Dallas, and Houston to connect up all the people at each shelter. We are being given information in burst right now but I might have specific request for support at the shelters here.I'll let you know as I get word. The Houston guys have created a blog for specific software/hardware needs.I told them we were willing to do the same here once we found out what we needed. I am willing to post to the Salsa.net site and would probably ask to post the Satlug site as well. Here is the latest word from the Astrodome. As of late last night, the Astrodome was full and evacuees were being diverted to other sites. We have an internal TFA meeting this morning to update everyone working on the Astrodome Community Technology Center (CTC) project. The minor change in plans is that we now expect to be working on the development of CTCs at shelters and staging areas across the city in addition to the Astrodome. In speaking late yesterday to our contact in the mayor's office, it is estimated that at least 100,000 persons will be scattered across the city in multiple long term shelters including the Astrodome, empty buildings, churches, and other sites. Helping to connect these folks to the outside world will extend beyond this emergency situation, because we expect many of these evacuees to stay as permanent residents in the area. Many of them are the poorest of the poor and will need additional assistance, training, support etc. Schools are accepting new students. Yesterday, for instance, my wife's school received 30 new students and they were over capacity before that. Many new students across the region could benefit from CTCs that provide after school programs near shelters and schools. Creating opportunities for digital stories of this ordeal could be both a cathartic and a learning experience for victims of Katrina. Using these computers for job training and searches will also be important. This is just the beginning. The existing and rapidly expanding Houston CTC community will be asked to step up to the plate to prepare for the opportunity/challenge. We have had enough equipment, software, and connectivity donated for the initial installation at the dome, but we are going to need much more. Once all our donors have signed off (some have asked for anonymity), I will provide a summary of their donations. Thank you to each of you and your corporations/organizations who have already signed up to help. Your help is needed. We now know we need additional equipment, connectivity, software, volunteers, and of course $'s. I will put a list of equipment needs on our blog at http://texasctcs.blogspot.com/ . Cash contributions can be made online at www.techforall.org or by check to the address below. Will William S. Reed, D.Min. TECHNOLOGY FOR ALL(r)/Technology For All-Houston 2220 Broadway | Houston, TX 77012 Tel: 713.454.6400 | Direct: 713.454.6411 | Fax: 713.454.6454 e-mail: Will.Reed @ techforall.org website: http://www.techforall.org BLOG: http://texasctcs.blogspot.com/ TFA-Wireless http://www.techforall.org/tfa_wireless.html "We Empower Communities" Thanks Dean McCall President/ CEO Salsa.Net www.Salsa.net 210.422.9255 From ruben50 at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 17:32:48 2005 From: ruben50 at gmail.com (Ruben G. Villanueva) Date: Sun Sep 4 15:07:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Active X in Linux Message-ID: <3dfab6340509041332295a6e26@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, it's been a while since I've writen cause I,ve moved to Ft. Gordon, but I have a question about Active X. I conviced one of my buddies here to switch over to linux and now he cant play one of his favorite games. Its is called sumo volleyball and it is found on www.shizmoo.com. I read somewhere that flash player would play Active X content but I'm not seeing any results. Can one of you lead me in the right direction. I think that crossover will load active x content for me but he does not want to go that route. Thanks, -- Ruben G. Villanueva From jgentil at sebistar.net Sun Sep 4 18:35:48 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Sun Sep 4 17:10:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Active X in Linux In-Reply-To: <3dfab6340509041332295a6e26@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dfab6340509041332295a6e26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509041735.48655.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Sunday 04 September 2005 03:32 pm, Ruben G. Villanueva wrote: > Hi guys, it's been a while since I've writen cause I,ve moved to Ft. > Gordon, but I have a question about Active X. I conviced one of my > buddies here to switch over to linux and now he cant play one of his > favorite games. Its is called sumo volleyball and it is found on > www.shizmoo.com. > I read somewhere that flash player would play Active X content but I'm > not seeing any results. Can one of you lead me in the right direction. > I think that crossover will load active x content for me but he does > not want to go that route. Yeah, crossover is about the only way to make it work. ActiveX is a pretty generic term for a microsoft technology that involves COM. You'd need a pretty sophisticated windows emulation tool and a way to make it a plugin for Mozilla/Firefox. The only thing I know that does it is Crossover, and even then it does not always work. There are a plethora of Java-based games out there, perhaps just him addicted to Yahoo games. :) -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From geevowitz at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 20:35:17 2005 From: geevowitz at gmail.com (Gavin Brower) Date: Sun Sep 4 19:10:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash plug-in for mozilla Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have been useing UBUNTU Linux for about 2-3 months now and I can't seem to get the flash plug-in for mozilla to work correctly. I have installed the plug-in, and have the latest version of mozilla Firefox(1.0.6) installed. But every time I visit a web page that uses a flash video, Firefox crashes so I have to uninstall the pug-in and live without my flash videos. By the way, I am 14 years old and just rescently built my first computer, It is kind of slow (AMD K6-2 500mhz, 128mb ram, 40gbHDD). Thats why I use it as a router/firewall and to stream my music on my network at home. I love Linux, the only draw back is that I can't play flash videos. I don't think I will be going back to Windows any time soon though. Also when is the next SATLUG meeting, the website says August 10th. Is that supposed to say September? From J at JVPappas.net Sun Sep 4 20:38:46 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Sep 4 19:13:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? In-Reply-To: <14842c4105090412082f3bd18a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> <14842c4105090412082f3bd18a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1125880726.10713.53.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Shoutcast is what my guys use at work also... On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 14:08 -0500, masterr@gmail.com wrote: > Shoutcast works fine with XMMS, Beep-Media-Player and several other linux > music players. You might want to try some shoutcast stations. > > http://www.shoutcast.com > > On 9/4/05, Joshua Penrod wrote: > > > > When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, > > but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use > > Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any > > internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are > > Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says > > that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't > > even play on windows if you're trying to run it in > > Firefox. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From karl at oelschlaeger.ws Sun Sep 4 21:11:35 2005 From: karl at oelschlaeger.ws (Karl Oelschlaeger) Date: Sun Sep 4 19:46:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash plug-in for mozilla In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1125882694.3831.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 19:35, Gavin Brower wrote: > Hi everyone, I have been using UBUNTU Linux for about 2-3 months now and I > can't seem to get the flash plug-in for mozilla to work correctly. > I have installed the plug-in, and have the latest version of mozilla > Firefox(1.0.6) installed. But every time I visit a web page that uses a > flash video, > Firefox crashes so I have to uninstall the pug-in and live without my flash > videos. > > By the way, I am 14 years old and just rescently built my first computer, It > is kind of slow (AMD K6-2 500mhz, 128mb ram, 40gbHDD). Thats why I use it as > a > router/firewall and to stream my music on my network at home. I love Linux, > the only draw back is that I can't play flash videos. I don't think I will > be going back > to Windows any time soon though. > > Also when is the next SATLUG meeting, the website says August 10th. Is that > supposed to say September? > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Are you running the executable from Macromedia or are you copying libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt to your plug-ins folder? When you do have the plug-in installed, what does Firefox have to say when you view installed plug-ins under Edit -> Preferences -> Downloads -> plug-ins? Karl Oelschlaeger From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 21:21:44 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 4 21:56:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, so I am setting up another server runnin SuSE 9.2 Pro.. I decided to get 4.0.25 because 4.1.x had problems w/mysqlcc and mysql-administrator sucks. You figure SuSE would learn and get that thing working?? geez. Ok, on to my dilemma... I downloaded the rpm's to mysql 4.0.25 (devel, client, server etc)..installed them and get the following error: (su'd below) Error 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2). ok..so I dump the linux.err from the /var/lib/mysql dir... and basically the first error is error #142, unknown charset.. so I do: linux:/var/lib/mysql/mysql # myisamchk -dvv host.MYI myisamchk: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2) myisamchk: Character set '#83' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index' file myisamchk: error: 142 when opening MyISAM-table 'host.MYI' it doesnt like is 83. I'm stumped.. I've even recompiled 4.0.25 from source, rebooted etc..I've searched MySQL's site and didnt get to a solution, nor did google help... My server is working good but the second isnt..then again I didnt install 4.0.25, I just installed whatever version comes w/SuSE 9.2.. Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jgentil at sebistar.net Mon Sep 5 00:33:55 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:08:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509042333.55623.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Sunday 04 September 2005 10:21 pm, Alex Bartonek wrote: > Ok, so I am setting up another server runnin SuSE 9.2 > Pro.. I decided to get 4.0.25 because 4.1.x had > problems w/mysqlcc and mysql-administrator sucks. You > figure SuSE would learn and get that thing working?? > geez. I'd imagine that the problem have little to do with SuSE and more to do with the fact that both of those are in beta still, one being all but discontinued. > linux:/var/lib/mysql/mysql # myisamchk -dvv host.MYI > myisamchk: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not > found (Errcode: 2) > myisamchk: Character set '#83' is not a compiled > character set and is not specified in the > '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index' file > myisamchk: error: 142 when opening MyISAM-table > 'host.MYI' > it doesnt like is 83. > I'm stumped.. I've even recompiled 4.0.25 from source, > rebooted etc..I've searched MySQL's site and didnt get > to a solution, nor did google help... My server is > working good but the second isnt..then again I didnt > install 4.0.25, I just installed whatever version > comes w/SuSE 9.2.. It looks like the localization information for MySQL was not installed when you built the manual RPMs. Check to see what is in /usr/share/mysql/charsets/. Also check to make sure it didn't accidentally install in /usr/local/share/mysql :) Happens sometimes. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From eli at then7.com Mon Sep 5 00:58:50 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:35:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] chuckle Message-ID: <2475.67.162.232.49.1125896330.squirrel@67.162.232.49> So I'm about to use lilo to boot to a raid1 /boot partition on a new server, but I haven't set that up in a while. I fire up google, typical in these types of cases, to jog my memory. I hit the jackpot pretty quick, finding a snippet with the exact info I need. I'm reading, I'm reading...HEY. Wait a minute! THAT'S ME! DOH! It's an online archive of the list, and I've found my own post. I was helping myself, and didn't even know it back then. hee hee. ~e From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 23:10:11 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:45:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] chuckle In-Reply-To: <2475.67.162.232.49.1125896330.squirrel@67.162.232.49> Message-ID: <20050905051011.1265.qmail@web54315.mail.yahoo.com> ROTFL!!!!! now thats funny! --- Eli wrote: > So I'm about to use lilo to boot to a raid1 /boot > partition on a new > server, but I haven't set that up in a while. > > I fire up google, typical in these types of cases, > to jog my memory. > > I hit the jackpot pretty quick, finding a snippet > with the exact info I need. > > I'm reading, I'm reading...HEY. Wait a minute! > > THAT'S ME! DOH! It's an online archive of the list, > and I've found my own > post. > > I was helping myself, and didn't even know it back > then. > > hee hee. > > ~e > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 23:14:33 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:49:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <200509042333.55623.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <20050905051433.8094.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jon-Pierre Gentil wrote: > It looks like the localization information for MySQL > was not installed > when you built the manual RPMs. Check to see what > is > in /usr/share/mysql/charsets/. Also check to make > sure it didn't > accidentally install in /usr/local/share/mysql :) both have the same charsets (both dirs you listed above).. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jgentil at sebistar.net Mon Sep 5 01:18:01 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:52:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <20050905051433.8094.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050905051433.8094.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509050018.01353.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Monday 05 September 2005 12:14 am, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > in /usr/share/mysql/charsets/. Also check to make > > sure it didn't > > accidentally install in /usr/local/share/mysql :) > > both have the same charsets (both dirs you listed above).. Try and diff this file between machines, see if they are identical: /usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index Beyond that, better ask the MySQL developer forums. :-/ -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 07:23:45 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Sep 5 05:58:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd05090504236bad03f5@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/05, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > I'm stumped.. I've even recompiled 4.0.25 from source, > rebooted etc..I've searched MySQL's site and didnt get > to a solution, nor did google help... My server is > working good but the second isnt..then again I didnt > install 4.0.25, I just installed whatever version > comes w/SuSE 9.2.. > > Alex > When you say that you've recompiled from source, do you mean SuSE's src.rpmor the src.rpm from MySQL website? I've always uninstalled the version that came with SuSE, and grabbed the latest src.rpm from the MySQL website and haven't had any problems. Not even with the 4.1.x versions. As far as administering them. Look into phpmyadmin. It's a great php based admin for MySQL. Ed From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 07:38:52 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Sep 5 06:13:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0509050438506ce654@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/05, Joshua Penrod wrote: > > When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, > but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use > Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any > internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are > Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says > that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't > even play on windows if you're trying to run it in > Firefox. > > Thanks, > > Josh Never tried Yahoo Launchcast, but I just got good results with Mozilla/RealPlayer and www.live365.com Ed From storey at clamp.ws Mon Sep 5 07:46:59 2005 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Mon Sep 5 06:21:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website update ? Message-ID: <001701c5b20f$878f82b0$faabe604@aaron> Today is a holiday, and while everyone is relaxing I wonder if some one will take a few minutes to update the satlug website. Cheers, Storey Clamp From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 09:39:41 2005 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Mon Sep 5 08:14:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0509050438506ce654@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> <8ee65edd0509050438506ce654@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99af515b0509050639567e76fa@mail.gmail.com> Checke this program out if you are into listenting to radio on the internet. I love it!!!!! Great piece of software. http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/ On 9/5/05, Ed Coates wrote: > > On 9/4/05, Joshua Penrod wrote: > > > > When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, > > but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use > > Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any > > internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are > > Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says > > that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't > > even play on windows if you're trying to run it in > > Firefox. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Josh > > > > Never tried Yahoo Launchcast, but I just got good results with > Mozilla/RealPlayer and www.live365.com < > http://www.live365.com> > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From cjs226 at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:51:48 2005 From: cjs226 at gmail.com (Clif Smith) Date: Mon Sep 5 10:26:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT :: Looking for IP KVM recommendations Message-ID: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any experience and/or recommendations for a IP KVM? From geevowitz at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 13:34:40 2005 From: geevowitz at gmail.com (Gavin Brower) Date: Mon Sep 5 12:09:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash plug-in for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1125882694.3831.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1125882694.3831.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 9/4/05, Karl Oelschlaeger wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 19:35, Gavin Brower wrote: > > Hi everyone, I have been using UBUNTU Linux for about 2-3 months now and > I > > can't seem to get the flash plug-in for mozilla to work correctly. > > I have installed the plug-in, and have the latest version of mozilla > > Firefox(1.0.6) installed. But every time I visit a web page that uses a > > flash video, > > Firefox crashes so I have to uninstall the pug-in and live without my > flash > > videos. > > > > By the way, I am 14 years old and just rescently built my first > computer, It > > is kind of slow (AMD K6-2 500mhz, 128mb ram, 40gbHDD). Thats why I use > it as > > a > > router/firewall and to stream my music on my network at home. I love > Linux, > > the only draw back is that I can't play flash videos. I don't think I > will > > be going back > > to Windows any time soon though. > > > > Also when is the next SATLUG meeting, the website says August 10th. Is > that > > supposed to say September? > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Are you running the executable from Macromedia or are you copying > libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt to your plug-ins folder? When you > do have the plug-in installed, what does Firefox have to say when you > view installed plug-ins under Edit -> Preferences -> Downloads -> > plug-ins? > > > Karl Oelschlaeger > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > I updated my repositories yesterday, and today when I went in to Synaptic Package Manager to download the plug-in, I noticed a new file. Before, I was downloading libflash-mozplugin, but the new file I found is flashplayer-mozilla, so I downloaded to download that file instead, and now it works great. Thanks, Gavin Brower From jgentil at sebistar.net Mon Sep 5 13:39:58 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Mon Sep 5 12:14:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash plug-in for mozilla In-Reply-To: References: <1125882694.3831.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200509051239.58876.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Monday 05 September 2005 12:34 pm, Gavin Brower wrote: > I updated my repositories yesterday, and today when I went in to > Synaptic Package Manager to download the plug-in, I noticed a new file. > Before, I was downloading libflash-mozplugin, but the new file I found > is flashplayer-mozilla, so I downloaded to download that file instead, > and now it works great. > Thanks, Yeah, libflash is a free replacement for the Macromedia Flash player. It doesn't work very well yet. flashplayer-mozilla is a plugin for the linux version of Flash produced by Macromedia. Make sure to only have one or the other installed. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Sep 5 20:25:09 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Mon Sep 5 18:59:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OASIS Message-ID: <431CE1E5.7060808@cis.sac.accd.edu> Thought you might find this interesting http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/77076/new-file-format-causes-mass-panic-at-microsoft.html. Maybe other states will follow their lead. Maybe even Texas. Steve From theoneghost at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 21:26:31 2005 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Mon Sep 5 20:01:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest dates Message-ID: I was told that if I went to computer blast, I wouldnt be able to test my internet connection. Its going to be a wireless connection on a laptop, but if I were to go to the installfest, would I be able to get help there? And if I could, where is it going to be and at what times? -- - Seth From jtiner at gvtc.com Mon Sep 5 21:55:16 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (Jtiner) Date: Mon Sep 5 20:30:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Katrina Message-ID: <20050906015516.22518.qmail@oneil.gvtc.com> here's a story on desktoplinux.org that may be an opportunity for those that wanted to help. http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS4984662030.html ________________________________________________ webmail.gvtc.com From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Sep 5 21:56:43 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Sep 5 20:31:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1125971804.21212.131.camel@laptop> We don't normally have an Internet connection at the Computer Blast. Unless someone has made arrangements recently... If you want to check your wireless setup, I can probably loan the Computer Blast guys my access point. They could hook it into their small network to test your wireless configuration. Let me know if you need it and I'll get it to Don. I won't be at the Computer Blast as I have a flying exercise to attend that weekend and a communications class to give while there. Chuck On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 20:26, Seth Sanchez wrote: I was told that if I went to computer blast, I wouldnt be able to test my internet connection. Its going to be a wireless connection on a laptop, but if I were to go to the installfest, would I be able to get help there? And if I could, where is it going to be and at what times? -- - Seth _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 6 09:21:49 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Tue Sep 6 07:56:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> <001601c5afab$d3081d80$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> I have read all the other reply messages and see the level of availability and flustration in wanting to do it all. HOWEVER: Has anyone made or attempted to make any contacts to the ARC or other groups supporting the refugee situation?? I have started to do that and am waiting on replies from their general info lines. If anyone has a better inside contact please reach me at 829-4274 ASAP. ALSO if anyone has made contact I want to abort my efforts and support yours instead. It is anticipated by me that we would be in a support role supporting them in installation and system set up and use their type reports... but we can establish some great assistance along this line. BiigAl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert W Lochli" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. > Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. > I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. > > BiigAl > > PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck" > To: "SATLUG" > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And >> I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. >> >> Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San >> Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as >> 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the >> clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they >> usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and >> work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. >> REST SNIPPED" > >> Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Sep 6 09:36:40 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Sep 6 08:11:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <200509061336.j86DaeMS027067@biochem.uthscsa.edu> As have many others, we have advertised free living space for a family of four in our house on the various lists (Craigs list, moveon.org, etc). Yet, we have not had a single response. My opinion is that is due to lack of internet access at the relief centers. I would be surprised if the ARC is worrying about providing public terminals with internet access at this point, and wouldn't be surprised if they would welcome technical assistance from local NP groups such as Satlug. I think BiigAl has it exactly right when he suggests that contacting ARC is the first step in getting something set up for them. BiigAl, keep us posted on what you find out when they do call back. I will do some research myself and report back when I hear any news. -Borries > > I have read all the other reply messages and see the level of availability > and flustration in wanting to do it all. > > HOWEVER: Has anyone made or attempted to make any contacts to the ARC or > other groups supporting the refugee situation?? I have started to do that > and am waiting on replies from their general info lines. If anyone has a > better inside contact please reach me at 829-4274 ASAP. > > ALSO if anyone has made contact I want to abort my efforts and support yours > instead. > > It is anticipated by me that we would be in a support role supporting them > in installation and system set up and use their type reports... but we can > establish some great assistance along this line. > > BiigAl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Albert W Lochli" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > > > Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. > > Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. > > I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. > > > > BiigAl > > > > PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chuck" > > To: "SATLUG" > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM > > Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And > >> I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. > >> > >> Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San > >> Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as > >> 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the > >> clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they > >> usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and > >> work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. > >> REST SNIPPED" > > > >> Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? > >> > >> > >> > >> Chuck > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 6 09:52:58 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Tue Sep 6 08:27:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-up One Message-ID: <001a01c5b2ea$4a5a2400$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> I have made initial contact with ARC - they may need us. Who has time available to set up internet terminals and a supporting network and when?? After hours work may be useful. Hardware requirements are uncertain. You will need minimal tools and your warm fuzzy body present. Pending contact with Othneil and Chuck I will temporarily be a point of contact here biigal@satx.rr.com or 210-829-4274 Thanks all From J at JVPappas.net Tue Sep 6 10:19:36 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 6 08:54:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT :: Looking for IP KVM recommendations In-Reply-To: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1126016376.10609.2.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> I have used Raritan IP Reach with good success. I imagine that they are on the pricey side though. On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 10:51 -0500, Clif Smith wrote: > Does anyone have any experience and/or recommendations for a IP KVM? > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Tue Sep 6 10:30:00 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:02:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-up One In-Reply-To: <001a01c5b2ea$4a5a2400$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <200509061402.j86E2ef12442@alamo.satlug.org> That's great AL...I think the Red Cross and FEMA both are hurting for techs and equipment. When I was over there the other day the Red Cross was using the computer in the center setup for the refugees. It's been a bit crazy but I think things are starting to set in place... I would keep working that angle and also get in touch with Larry Myers with SBC he is on his way down to Kelly and knows the tech needs a little bit better and the locations. His number is 422-3282 and I would work out personal needs with him as well. They got about 50 more computer from AMD over the weekend and I know they need help.... Also you might pull in some of these people and relieve some of my work load if you don't mind:) Dean: My name is Tom Hodges. I am an unemployed IT Manager with 25 years experience in the computer business. I understand that you folks need some technical support people to volunteer to help out with computers and phone systems that are being used in the relief effort. I have some experience repairing IBM thinkPad computers (I have heard that you have 50 of these, and some of them don't work). I have a lot of experience in many other areas, too, including telephony. I am willing to donate some time. Tom Hodges tomhodges@yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can help with PC instruction and technical assistance. Who, what, where, when and how do I contact? Steve Shepard SBT Designs 698-7109 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean, Saw your message on the APCO group list. I'm a local tech consultant and trainer. I would like to offer my services. I'm travelling today (Monday) but will be in my office Tuesday. Please let me know in what specific areas I can help. Also, I've forwarded your previous message to a friend who is the learning center director for TechSkills. My hope is that his staff and/or students (most of whom are working towards additional computer certifications) will volunteer as well. Look forward to chatting with you soon. Regards, db Denise Bierschwale DB & Company Computer Technology Consulting 210.655.8686 Phone 210.863.7223 Mobile ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I forgot my e-mail address: skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. My secretary's number is (210) 733-2290. Have someone call me as soon as possible, so I can get the right people on this right away. The CIS department at SAC will take this on. Get me in touch with the right people. Steve Kolars SAC/CIS Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Dean -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Albert W Lochli Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:53 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-up One I have made initial contact with ARC - they may need us. Who has time available to set up internet terminals and a supporting network and when?? After hours work may be useful. Hardware requirements are uncertain. You will need minimal tools and your warm fuzzy body present. Pending contact with Othneil and Chuck I will temporarily be a point of contact here biigal@satx.rr.com or 210-829-4274 Thanks all _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Tue Sep 6 10:41:17 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:14:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FW: Latest information on tech resource needs at the SA shelters.. Message-ID: <200509061413.j86EDvf12559@alamo.satlug.org> Dean: I just ran across this: http://www.katrinasanantonio.blogspot.com/ Perhaps this is a better effort then me starting from scratch. Joe Barfield is doing this. His email is: joe@joebarfield.com Thoughts? SWC From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Sep 6 10:48:06 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:22:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> <001601c5afab$d3081d80$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <1126018087.21212.216.camel@laptop> Hey Guys, Did anyone else see this come out yesterday on the XCSSA list??? It looks like Dean and the SalsaNet folks are working a good contact. Maybe we can support their effort. I know Steve Kolars it attempting to help them. I suggest that if we all (SalsaNet, XCSSA, SATLUG) pitch in together -- we can make a big difference. Keep us informed on your contact progress Dean and what assistance is needed. Most of us in SATLUG have also been trying to find a way to help. Chuck ------------------------------------------ As of this morning I spoke with the SBC lead on the relief efforts are here is what is needed: AMD has donated 50 pc but we need monitors for them?I have a call in to the head of corporate marketing for Altex but unfortunately the corp. offices are closed until the morning. IBM donated 50 laptops unfortunately the touch pads are not being utilized by a lot of the survivors so I was asked to come up with 50 USB mice that could be connected to the computers instead?. Also the people manning the stations at Windsor at some of the locations need relief?people who are able to go and help with showing people how to use computers are welcome. Also a basic knowledge of computer troubleshooting is needed but not required?as some of the computers go down and they stay down until someo