From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 1 00:38:46 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:13:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Server partitions filling up again In-Reply-To: <24b598f605083020255d05a9e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1125075172.3231.254.camel@laptop> <24b598f605083020255d05a9e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200508312338.46538.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 30 August 2005 22:25, Othniel Graichen wrote: > Furthermore, > > When I logged in yesterday evening to check on the server processes... > > Some person who shall remain nameless was downloading a > Suse iso. Why can't you just download directly? Please > desist, or we will have to terminate the shell account access. Sounds like you need to set up filesystem quotas. Although your response was in "good form" for the dark arts of the BOFH. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 1 00:45:26 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:20:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] 54 a/g card recommendations? In-Reply-To: <869de84705083009083f47d720@mail.gmail.com> References: <200508281904.53102.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <43147BE0.60409@mccoyfam.net> <869de84705083009083f47d720@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200508312345.26340.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 30 August 2005 11:08, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > go to www.fab-corp.com and look for their orinoco > classic gold card. it's about $60 but it works in Win/Lin/MacOS and it has > an external antenna on it.. :) Uhh.. I said it had to be 54g.. and a PCI.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 1 00:49:49 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:24:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: file server questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200508312349.50182.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 26 August 2005 08:18, Travis H. wrote: > Platform: > > CPUs: dual Xeon P3-550 > kernel: 2.6.13-rc6 > bus: PCI 32-bit > Dunno how good that is, but that's what I got. > In a nutshell, about 25% overhead for SW-RAID5 and LVM... not too bad. Now fail one of your disks... and repeat your test. Then reinsert the failed disk.. and repeat your test.. then we'll talk. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 1 00:55:26 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:30:16 2005 Subject: web publishing, was Re: [SATLUG] website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 26 August 2005 03:16, Travis H. wrote: > > Up until this point, I start off as a text document, and then maybe > add minimal HTML. However, writing HTML by hand is icky, it's hard to > make it perfectly legal HTML without running a weblint-like tool. [...] > Any ideas? Or will I have to write it? It's called Docbook. It's what most multimedia publishers are moving to. Because it can be output to screen, page, or whatever. A fairly good app to create is called XXCE. Here are some others that I've never used: http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools Tweeks From solinym at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 01:07:30 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:42:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: file server questions In-Reply-To: <200508312349.50182.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200508312349.50182.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: > > Now fail one of your disks... and repeat your test. > Then reinsert the failed disk.. and repeat your test.. then we'll talk. ;) Will do, but I think that the tests were conducted while it was building the parity. Turns out that max sustained xfer rate for the disk is like 64.8MB/s. Not sure what the PCI-32 max bus speed is. From solinym at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 01:18:38 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Aug 31 23:53:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: best sound card needed In-Reply-To: <20050901013142.26968.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200508311700.j7VH0Gf30635@alamo.satlug.org> <20050901013142.26968.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/31/05, Mary Yatti wrote: > > I'm looking for the best sound card to download, copy > then play/replay streaming audio newscasts. I use > Fedora, Debian and XP and have tried software > solutions (replay radio..etc...) to no avail. Can you be more specific? I don't know how a soundcard would be involved in downloading or copying streaming audio. From what I understand, the professional grade soundcards are a bit better, but the best sound comes from external units, as the inside of a PC has a fair amount of ambient electronic noise. I've had audio engineers tell me they have wrapped the soundcards in a layer of insulation and then aluminum foil for more isolation inside the case, but you have to be careful not to short something out. I personally can't tell the difference between the CSxxxx on-board audio and the Sound Blaster Live! Pro or whatever I have at home. And I don't want to learn to hear it, because I'm happy in my ignorance. OTOH, the codec used for compression makes a great deal of difference. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 02:02:58 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Sep 1 00:37:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Test message In-Reply-To: <1125407205.3231.734.camel@laptop> References: <1125406414.1267.731.camel@laptop> <1125407205.3231.734.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 30 Aug 2005 08:06:42 -0500, Chuck wrote: > OK, its fixed now. Gotta love that Linux. None of that bullsh__ > rebooting the server. Just shutdown the Sendmail and Mailman services > and restart them. Whatever had hung is now gone and the list seems to > be working OK. I got the message below and stopped using the list until it was fixed... The original message was received at Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:49 -0500 from zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post satlug" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (most recent call last): Logging error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 338, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 138, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main tolist=1, _plaintext=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 119, in enqueue msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device: '/var/mailman/qfiles/in/1125072050.7358339+45abd1d34d96de502460a70b064b7369737d3cd8.msg' 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Final-Recipient: RFC822; satlug@satlug.org X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/var/mailman/mail/mailman post satlug Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 1 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:50 -0500 Thanks, Robert From mark at mccoyfam.net Thu Sep 1 02:59:55 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Thu Sep 1 01:35:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] review of the latest ubuntu prerelease (5.10 colony 3) Message-ID: <4316A6EB.5090205@mccoyfam.net> Well, I downloaded the latest Ubuntu beta, which is 5.10 "colony 3", which is the last beta before the RC version in mid-september. 5.10 is scheduled for october, and it will have gnome 2.12 and some other goodies like modularized X, OOo 2, and GCC 4. So far, the system is a little bit "snappier" than 5.04 on the same hardware (Celeron 1.3G laptop w/ 384MB RAM). I like a lot of the little changes that the gnome people made (and the Ubuntu people). There are still some bugs to iron out upstream, and fixes are being made very rapidly. I ran an "apt-get update" about 3 hours after I installed and there were already about 5 updates available! For straight desktop systems, 5.10 (or "breezy badger" as ubuntu-ites call it) seems to really hit the spot. I haven't tried the KDE version, but I hope that that version gets as well polished as the gnome version (5.04 kubuntu had some issues that I think have been ironed out as it became a fully supported project). From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 1 09:03:33 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 1 07:38:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Test message In-Reply-To: References: <1125406414.1267.731.camel@laptop> <1125407205.3231.734.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1125579817.14826.210.camel@laptop> Yea, That's been fixed Robert. We've got a small space problem on our /var partition. It keeps filling up with individuals e-mail and I've got to go in and whip mailboxes. But we're moving to a new server (soon hopefully) that will have more drive space. More space along with quotas will eliminate that problem. Chuck On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 01:02, Robert Pearson wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 08:06:42 -0500, Chuck wrote: > OK, its fixed now. Gotta love that Linux. None of that bullsh__ > rebooting the server. Just shutdown the Sendmail and Mailman services > and restart them. Whatever had hung is now gone and the list seems to > be working OK. I got the message below and stopped using the list until it was fixed... The original message was received at Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:49 -0500 from zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post satlug" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (most recent call last): Logging error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 338, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 138, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main tolist=1, _plaintext=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 119, in enqueue msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device: '/var/mailman/qfiles/in/1125072050.7358339+45abd1d34d96de502460a70b064b7369737d3cd8.msg' 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Final-Recipient: RFC822; satlug@satlug.org X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/var/mailman/mail/mailman post satlug Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 1 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:50 -0500 Thanks, Robert _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From J at JVPappas.net Thu Sep 1 09:26:46 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Sep 1 08:01:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggested Topic for Sept Mtg... Message-ID: <1125581206.8051.15.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Hey all, As I was cleaning up my email from The List, I noticed that there has been a trend in the emails: Disk/Volume Management. Suggested subtopics: -- SW Raid on linux -- Setup -- Recovery of failed disks -- LVM -- On top of MD devices -- Moving subdisks -- EVMS -- Filesystem interactions -- Resizing LV/FS I do not have enterprise experience with non-commercial Volume managers, however. Thoughts? John From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 09:49:44 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Thu Sep 1 08:24:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] 54 a/g card recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200508312345.26340.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200508281904.53102.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <43147BE0.60409@mccoyfam.net> <869de84705083009083f47d720@mail.gmail.com> <200508312345.26340.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <869de84705090106497bfc8614@mail.gmail.com> nevermind.. *whistles and walks away quickly*. they might have PCI cards too.. I really didn't hit the caffiene before my initial reply. I should have... Note to self: do not post to mailing lists without caffiene first. FIRESTORM_v1 On 8/31/05, Tom Weeks wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 August 2005 11:08, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > > go to www.fab-corp.com < > http://www.fab-corp.com> and look for their orinoco > > classic gold card. it's about $60 but it works in Win/Lin/MacOS and it > has > > an external antenna on it.. :) > > Uhh.. I said it had to be 54g.. and a PCI.. ;) > > Tweeks > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jgentil at sebistar.net Thu Sep 1 09:57:26 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Thu Sep 1 08:32:40 2005 Subject: web publishing, was Re: [SATLUG] website In-Reply-To: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200509010857.26091.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Wednesday 31 August 2005 11:55 pm, Tom Weeks wrote: > On Friday 26 August 2005 03:16, Travis H. wrote: > > Up until this point, I start off as a text document, and then maybe > > add minimal HTML. However, writing HTML by hand is icky, it's hard > > to make it perfectly legal HTML without running a weblint-like tool. > It's called Docbook. It's what most multimedia publishers are moving > to. Because it can be output to screen, page, or whatever. A fairly > good app to create is called XXCE. Here are some others that I've > never used: http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools I've often found that Docbook is just as difficult to author as HTML in terms of being a document format. However, it is far more comprehensive for publishing than HTML is. (But then again, I'm a web developer, and know HTML by heart.) -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From bdubbs at swbell.net Thu Sep 1 09:58:09 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Sep 1 08:33:05 2005 Subject: web publishing, was Re: [SATLUG] website In-Reply-To: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200508312355.26441.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <431708F1.6020901@swbell.net> Tom Weeks wrote: > On Friday 26 August 2005 03:16, Travis H. wrote: > >>Up until this point, I start off as a text document, and then maybe >>add minimal HTML. However, writing HTML by hand is icky, it's hard to >>make it perfectly legal HTML without running a weblint-like tool. > > [...] > >>Any ideas? Or will I have to write it? > > > It's called Docbook. It's what most multimedia publishers are moving to. > Because it can be output to screen, page, or whatever. A fairly good app to > create is called XXCE. Here are some others that I've never used: > http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools Not listed is bluefish. I know several folks that like it. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/cvs/postlfs/bluefish.html -- Bruce From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Sep 1 10:50:24 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Sep 1 09:24:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux 40% cheaper than windows(r) Message-ID: <43171530.50103@cis.sac.accd.edu> http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=4321&inkc=0 . Steve From theoneghost at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 13:46:42 2005 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Thu Sep 1 12:21:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Booting Message-ID: On the computer I was reffering to earlier, I finished installing Slackware 10.1 and it works fine. However, because none of my classmates know Linux they are asking me to dual boot Windows XP on there as well. Is there a way to dual boot without having Windows installed first? I have enoughe RAM and Hard drive space to run Windows even with Linux on there, but how can I get it to install and not remove LILO? Should I go back and install LILO to a floppy? or is there a way to do it from Slackwares command line? - - - Seth From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Sep 1 15:24:37 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Sep 1 13:59:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggested Topic for Sept Mtg... In-Reply-To: <1125581206.8051.15.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <1125581206.8051.15.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <43175575.2090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> John Pappas wrote: >Hey all, > >As I was cleaning up my email from The List, I noticed that there has >been a trend in the emails: Disk/Volume Management. > >Suggested subtopics: >-- SW Raid on linux > -- Setup > -- Recovery of failed disks >-- LVM > -- On top of MD devices > -- Moving subdisks >-- EVMS >-- Filesystem interactions > -- Resizing LV/FS > >I do not have enterprise experience with non-commercial Volume managers, >however. > >Thoughts? >John > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Thanks for the response. We will try and line up something with file systems for the October meeting--any file system presenters lurking out there? I talked to Othneil last night. The September meeting is the 14th. Dr. Dubbs will be giving a presentation on scripts he uses on one of his servers to parse the logs, make changes to iptables, and report the changes. This should be useful information for anyone running a Linux box of any kind. Watch the SATLUG website--the meeting will either be in NTC 213A or in the big room on the second floor of the Chemistry/Geology building. Steve From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 15:46:48 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Sep 1 14:21:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSe In-Reply-To: <20050830133144.89165.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <430DA713.40500@satx.rr.com> <20050830133144.89165.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/30/05, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > --- Mitch Thompson wrote: > > The best thing to do is always have your /home on > > its own partition. > > Then, you can do an upgrade or a reinstall and not > > touch your personal > > data. Of course, you have to think about /etc and > > /var/spool/mail... A good approach is to always try and keep the OS, the Apps and the User Information (/home, Data) in separate storage areas. This is very useful when recovering from a major outage like loss of the disk. My User Information is on at least two separate USB/FireWire external disks. It has been a life saver many times. I've had too many problems with losing disks and losing all the Information. The idea I have been playing with is a Microdrive for the OS, a Compact Flash or USB Flash drive for the Apps and whatever is the cheapest external storage for the User Information. I'm also looking at Small Form Factor (SFF) cases with MicroATX motherboards like the Shuttle boxen. For some really interesting SFF hardware to use, take a look at Bryan Smith's Blog at--- <> Having the Apps in their own partition is the normal installation on Unix and Linux. I had forgotten about doing this on Windows until I got burned a few times. I re-learned how to do this on Windows right at Alamo PC in San Antonio. The separate OS and Apps was a good boot-up and shutdown performance improvement on Windows. It was a huge Recovery improvement. If you can acquire the Enterprise version of the Windows imaging software, or know enough to have other work-a-rounds, then the Apps in a separate image is a huge time saver in a Recovery. > true..but if I have software installed and do not want > to reinstall.... ;) Be sure and check that the Apps work with the new OS first. With a lot of Apps installed the OS migration should be Apps driven. Unfortunately Apps don't coordinate well and one will need the migration and the others won't. This can be a big headache. In the "Best of all Possible Worlds" we should be able to "dd" partitions to images, which we can do, but then restore them at will where we please. AFAIK we cannot do this unless the hardware is identical starting with the disk. You can "dd" an entire disk and restore that image to a different disk but not a partition. I have heard stories of people running Linux LiveCD's and "dd'ing" Windows from one disk to another. I know this works because of "dd". What I can't figure out is what they do when other hardware in the destination machine is different? Don't all the DLL's have to match? I guess it's the price you pay for commodity priced hardware. Without that and free OS's I couldn't afford a computer. For people on a fixed income Windows is unaffordable. Linux is the only answer. Personal experience tells me which is less expensive to won and operate. Thanks, Robert From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 16:11:43 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Sep 1 14:46:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] desktop video capture In-Reply-To: <42C44854.3020908@syn-recon.net> References: <42C423B9.3060805@syn-recon.net> <79ec289f05063010071341d2b3@mail.gmail.com> <42C44854.3020908@syn-recon.net> Message-ID: <277020fc05090113112c1fea35@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, pandemic@syn-recon.net wrote: > > Jeremy Mann wrote: > > Florian, why don't you try vnc2swf? > > > > http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ > > Sorry to drag an old topic out of the closet, but I"m having trouble getting vnc2swf working. When I try to launch it from the command line, it simply freezes my terminal and even hitting CTRL-C does not end the command. I don't see any way to run it with a 'debug' or verbose option. How can I figure out why it won't work? I have all the prereqs installed, eg pygame and latest version of python. Thanks Sean From jtiner at gvtc.com Thu Sep 1 16:20:13 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Sep 1 14:52:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linspire Message-ID: <1125606013.12849.3.camel@localhost> I don't think it would be very popular around a LUG, but linspire 5.0 is free for the next couple of days. if you want it, go to their website, click on the button to buy linspire 5.0, add a coupon. use the word 'freespire' (no quotes) and click the button to apply the coupon. this offer is made because they asked the guy who was putting together the freespire distro to change names. kind of a peace offering to the community. this could be something that would be good to give to newbies... From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 14:53:21 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Sep 1 15:28:16 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linspire In-Reply-To: <1125606013.12849.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050901205321.7985.qmail@web54308.mail.yahoo.com> I wonder how good it is w/Winders apps. --- James Tiner wrote: > I don't think it would be very popular around a LUG, > but linspire 5.0 is > free for the next couple of days. if you want it, go > to their website, > click on the button to buy linspire 5.0, add a > coupon. use the word > 'freespire' (no quotes) and click the button to > apply the coupon. this > offer is made because they asked the guy who was > putting together the > freespire distro to change names. kind of a peace > offering to the > community. this could be something that would be > good to give to > newbies... > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wanelson at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 17:23:53 2005 From: wanelson at yahoo.com (Wayne Nelson) Date: Thu Sep 1 15:58:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSe References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A99E5@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <43177169.000001.03024@HERC1> Hello Walt, I just installed SuSe 9.3 on a desktop and a laptop. I have all the DVD's (2) and CD's (5). I also have 9.1, never installed. I skipped version 9.2. If you would like a copy, you are welcome to it. So far I really like the Yast/Yast2 etc., especially since I'm new to Linux. Version 10 should be out this month, I believe. Let me know if you are anyone else is interested @ SATLUG. Wayne Nelson wanelson@yahoo.com Linux Newbie -------Original Message------- From: DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA Date: 08/24/05 15:31:38 To: 'satlug@satlug.org' Subject: [SATLUG] SuSe Is anyone using SuSe 9.2? Walt _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From aedinius at hotmail.com Thu Sep 1 19:10:39 2005 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Thu Sep 1 17:46:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] NextStep In-Reply-To: <431479A3.4060003@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: Actually, he didn't really drive it into the ground. He brought practically everything over from NeXT to Apple, and it is the foundation for Apple's OS X. ObjectiveC and the various Kits (Application Kit, Foundation Kit, etc), became "Cocoa". //Drew >From: "Mark D. McCoy" >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] NextStep >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:22:11 -0500 > >Jeremy Mann wrote: >>Hey guys/gals, I'm going over the computers that were donated and one >>Digital Ventuis GL system boots the NextStep MACH Operating System. >>I've never heard of this. The boot section seems a LOT like *nix. I'm >>curious if anybody has worked with this before. >> >> > >Next was the company Steve Jobs founded after he left Apple. It had a >"sexy" Unix box (at the time) that had a lot of promise. The NextStep >system was based around a variant of C called Objective-C (C with real >Object Oriented programming) that was pretty cool for its day. The case >desings were cool (anyone remember the Cube?). > >Jobs proceeded to drive it into the ground (as usual) and later moved back >to Apple. > >You might know NextStep in its updated, FreeBSD-based version with fancy >graphics -- MacOS X. ;-) > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mark at mccoyfam.net Thu Sep 1 19:19:52 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Thu Sep 1 17:55:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] NextStep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43178C98.6020505@mccoyfam.net> Andrew Benson wrote: > Actually, he didn't really drive it into the ground. He brought > practically everything over from NeXT to Apple, and it is the foundation > for Apple's OS X. ObjectiveC and the various Kits (Application Kit, > Foundation Kit, etc), became "Cocoa". > > //Drew I guess by "driving into the ground" I meant from a business standpoint. Technologically, Next was WAY ahead of its time, as proven by the inclusion of all of the Next ideas in MacOS X. All props to Next. From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 1 21:11:43 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 1 19:46:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Hi everyone, I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. I thought that SATLUG might do its part in helping these poor people by providing what we can -- some computer/Internet access. I've already spoken with the owner of the ISP I work with. He's open to the idea and has agreed to provide access to his Internet pipe. He's going to talk to SBC about donating one or two DSL lines for the time. I'm going to kick in some equipment and the router to connect the computers. And I also have a couple PCs that can be used. But I thought I'd toss the idea out to SATLUG. Get a feeler if there are people who would donate to the effort. We're talking about a low-to-mid power computer -- probably a high-end P2 to a low-end P4 or AMD equivalent. Monitor, keyboard, and mouse with each would be needed. NO HARD DRIVES. I figured we'd supply each system with a CD-ROM and a copy of KNOPPIX. That way, we don't have to worry about installing anything, people downloading/installing programs, or viruses. It should also avoid the problem with people monopolizing the computers while downloading/storing music or the like. So, what do you think guys & gals? Are there some members who would loan a computer for a while to support these refugees? And maybe a couple volunteers to spend a couple hours there each day helping people? We can switch out and each person take one a day of the week to visit/help. Of course, we'll have to coordinate with the refugee center operations to get permission and make sure we have a monitored/secure area for the computers -- we don't want them springing legs during the night... I was told this afternoon that SBC has already stepped forward in Houston to provide wired phones, cell phones, and Internet access. I think we should first check if they are going to do the same here. If so -- I think they'll beat us out in equipment and savvy. But if they aren't doing the same here -- its a great chance for us to not only help these people, but we can spread the word about our favorite OS. Maybe some people will get the idea when they see what can be done with a CD-only OS -- let alone the installed version. Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? Chuck From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 1 22:41:01 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 1 21:16:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD Message-ID: <1125628862.17578.15.camel@laptop> Hey guys, Has anyone else gotten a look at the new Knoppix 4 DVD??? Its GREAT! Besides a huge number of programs -- it does something that I haven't seen with any other distribution. It labels the program names with what an explanation of what the program is! As more and more Linux programs come out, its difficult to keep up with what is coming out and the names of these programs. In a number of installations, I've just sat there and started each program in the X menu list to see what it is. On this Knoppix DVD, the program lists are huge and contain a little explanation behind each -- like Krdc (Remote Desktop Connection) -- is in the INTERNET folder of programs Atlantik (Monopoly-like Board Game) -- is in the GAMES, BOARD GAMES folder of programs Kile (LaTeX Frontend) -- is in the OFFICE folder of programs This is great. No more opening each program to find one that does what you need. Explanations -- who would have thought of that??? Well, that is just one of the great features I've found on this DVD. You can see a list of the packages on the ISO at http://www.tetlow.net/Knoppix4DVD/packages-dvd-txt. Its one hell of a long list. If anyone would like to check out the DVD for themselves -- I'll post the ISO on my server tomorrow. The ISO is too large for me to upload thru RR, it would take forever at 44KB upload speed. But I've got the image on my laptop and I'll take it over there for upload tomorrow. By the way, the image is 3.1Gig in size -- so please take it easy on my ISP friend and don't everyone hit the server for download at the same time. Too much bandwidth hogging and he'll throw out my box! Chuck From msellers at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 1 23:42:32 2005 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael W. Sellers) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:19:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD In-Reply-To: <1125628862.17578.15.camel@laptop> References: <1125628862.17578.15.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4317CA28.7000702@sbcglobal.net> I have KDE on Gentoo, and it has the same thing. You can edit that in the menu editor. Mike Chuck wrote: > Hey guys, > > Has anyone else gotten a look at the new Knoppix 4 DVD??? Its GREAT! > > Besides a huge number of programs -- it does something that I haven't > seen with any other distribution. It labels the program names with what > an explanation of what the program is! > > As more and more Linux programs come out, its difficult to keep up with > what is coming out and the names of these programs. In a number of > installations, I've just sat there and started each program in the X > menu list to see what it is. On this Knoppix DVD, the program lists are > huge and contain a little explanation behind each -- like > Krdc (Remote Desktop Connection) -- is in the INTERNET folder of > programs > Atlantik (Monopoly-like Board Game) -- is in the GAMES, BOARD GAMES > folder of programs > Kile (LaTeX Frontend) -- is in the OFFICE folder of programs > > This is great. No more opening each program to find one that does what > you need. Explanations -- who would have thought of that??? > > Well, that is just one of the great features I've found on this DVD. > You can see a list of the packages on the ISO at > http://www.tetlow.net/Knoppix4DVD/packages-dvd-txt. Its one hell of a > long list. > > If anyone would like to check out the DVD for themselves -- I'll post > the ISO on my server tomorrow. The ISO is too large for me to upload > thru RR, it would take forever at 44KB upload speed. But I've got the > image on my laptop and I'll take it over there for upload tomorrow. By > the way, the image is 3.1Gig in size -- so please take it easy on my ISP > friend and don't everyone hit the server for download at the same time. > Too much bandwidth hogging and he'll throw out my box! > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jftitan at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 1 23:56:05 2005 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:32:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD In-Reply-To: <4317CA28.7000702@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200509020357.j823uK9D018055@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> Why not start a torrent tracker with it.. Share the bandwidth, and save the pain of hosting the entire image. Check out knoppix.net for the tracker page http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/stats.html?info_hash=8f143969680c54c4a9178a 351cb0c2f0337a314f Sincerely, Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Consultant SwapNEtwork eXtreme, LLC -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Michael W. Sellers Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:43 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD I have KDE on Gentoo, and it has the same thing. You can edit that in the menu editor. Mike Chuck wrote: > Hey guys, > > Has anyone else gotten a look at the new Knoppix 4 DVD??? Its GREAT! > > Besides a huge number of programs -- it does something that I haven't > seen with any other distribution. It labels the program names with > what an explanation of what the program is! > > As more and more Linux programs come out, its difficult to keep up > with what is coming out and the names of these programs. In a number > of installations, I've just sat there and started each program in the > X menu list to see what it is. On this Knoppix DVD, the program lists > are huge and contain a little explanation behind each -- like Krdc > (Remote Desktop Connection) -- is in the INTERNET folder of programs > Atlantik (Monopoly-like Board Game) -- is in the GAMES, BOARD GAMES > folder of programs Kile (LaTeX Frontend) -- is in the OFFICE folder of > programs > > This is great. No more opening each program to find one that does > what you need. Explanations -- who would have thought of that??? > > Well, that is just one of the great features I've found on this DVD. > You can see a list of the packages on the ISO at > http://www.tetlow.net/Knoppix4DVD/packages-dvd-txt. Its one hell of a > long list. > > If anyone would like to check out the DVD for themselves -- I'll post > the ISO on my server tomorrow. The ISO is too large for me to upload > thru RR, it would take forever at 44KB upload speed. But I've got the > image on my laptop and I'll take it over there for upload tomorrow. > By the way, the image is 3.1Gig in size -- so please take it easy on > my ISP friend and don't everyone hit the server for download at the same time. > Too much bandwidth hogging and he'll throw out my box! > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jftitan at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 1 23:57:28 2005 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:32:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD In-Reply-To: <4317CA28.7000702@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200509020357.j823vhRa000953@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> Why not start a torrent tracker with it.. Share the bandwidth, and save the pain of hosting the entire image. Check out knoppix.net for the tracker page http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/stats.html?info_hash=8f143969680c54c4a9178a 351cb0c2f0337a314f Sincerely, Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Consultant SwapNEtwork eXtreme, LLC -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Michael W. Sellers Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:43 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Knoppix 4 DVD I have KDE on Gentoo, and it has the same thing. You can edit that in the menu editor. Mike Chuck wrote: > Hey guys, > > Has anyone else gotten a look at the new Knoppix 4 DVD??? Its GREAT! > > Besides a huge number of programs -- it does something that I haven't > seen with any other distribution. It labels the program names with > what an explanation of what the program is! > > As more and more Linux programs come out, its difficult to keep up > with what is coming out and the names of these programs. In a number > of installations, I've just sat there and started each program in the > X menu list to see what it is. On this Knoppix DVD, the program lists > are huge and contain a little explanation behind each -- like Krdc > (Remote Desktop Connection) -- is in the INTERNET folder of programs > Atlantik (Monopoly-like Board Game) -- is in the GAMES, BOARD GAMES > folder of programs Kile (LaTeX Frontend) -- is in the OFFICE folder of > programs > > This is great. No more opening each program to find one that does > what you need. Explanations -- who would have thought of that??? > > Well, that is just one of the great features I've found on this DVD. > You can see a list of the packages on the ISO at > http://www.tetlow.net/Knoppix4DVD/packages-dvd-txt. Its one hell of a > long list. > > If anyone would like to check out the DVD for themselves -- I'll post > the ISO on my server tomorrow. The ISO is too large for me to upload > thru RR, it would take forever at 44KB upload speed. But I've got the > image on my laptop and I'll take it over there for upload tomorrow. > By the way, the image is 3.1Gig in size -- so please take it easy on > my ISP friend and don't everyone hit the server for download at the same time. > Too much bandwidth hogging and he'll throw out my box! > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 00:16:44 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:51:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Booting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should be able to install Windoze, then re-install GRUB and set it up to chain-load XP as a menu item. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 00:23:07 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:58:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggested Topic for Sept Mtg... In-Reply-To: <43175575.2090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <1125581206.8051.15.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <43175575.2090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: > Thanks for the response. We will try and line up something with file > systems for the October meeting--any file system presenters lurking out > there? I just got done learning about this. LVM, resizing file systems, software RAID, and disk encryption. The LVM howto is pretty good, the software RAID howto is a little out of date, and there are some bits of trivia scattered here and there. Like combining LVM and software RAID, using dm-crypt, device mapper, converting a normal file system to RAID-1 while online, converting file system types in-place, etc. It'd take a bit of work to collect it all into a talk. I'd like to hear a talk on version control some time. I know there have been a few improvements upon CVS since I last looked into these things, subversion, git, bitkeeper, etc... but learning all the ins and outs of these things takes some time. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 00:24:47 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:59:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] desktop video capture In-Reply-To: <277020fc05090113112c1fea35@mail.gmail.com> References: <42C423B9.3060805@syn-recon.net> <79ec289f05063010071341d2b3@mail.gmail.com> <42C44854.3020908@syn-recon.net> <277020fc05090113112c1fea35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Sorry to drag an old topic out of the closet, but I"m having trouble getting > vnc2swf working. When I try to launch it from the command line, it simply > freezes my terminal and even hitting CTRL-C does not end the command. I > don't see any way to run it with a 'debug' or verbose option. How can I > figure out why it won't work? I have all the prereqs installed, eg pygame > and latest version of python. strace is what I use in situations like that. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 01:50:39 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 2 00:25:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: > Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? Sounds great. I could burn Knoppix CD/DVDs and maybe help people on my weekend (I have a 3 day weekend, and normally work nights, so if we need a night watchman, I may be your man). I also have some security cables for cabling equipment to furniture or anchor points. Might be able to loan a computer, depending on the security arrangements. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 02:43:24 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 2 01:18:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] can someone do a google hacks talk? Message-ID: I'd be interested in hearing about advanced google or p2p usage if someone could do a talk on that. On the crypto note, this is an interesting google: "index of" secring.gpg It'd be amusing to conduct a dictionary attack on those, then send the people key revocation certificates for their keys... (key rev certs require knowing the passphrase to generate them) -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 06:02:42 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 2 04:37:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] NextStep In-Reply-To: <43178C98.6020505@mccoyfam.net> References: <43178C98.6020505@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: > I guess by "driving into the ground" I meant from a business standpoint. > Technologically, Next was WAY ahead of its time, as proven by the > inclusion of all of the Next ideas in MacOS X. All props to Next. You know, I always think of myself as not particularly price-sensitive, but when I think of Macs I always think "twice as expensive as it needs to be" and awful experiences using the beige toasters in an assembly language class (when quadras were modern). And now I'm buying SATA drives instead of SCSI. The keychain feature seems pretty cool. An OS vendor could do a lot, including locking the keys in RAM (so it won't get written to the disk in unencrypted form), etc. Since they also make hardware, they could build in support for a "security hub" kind of like the one Intel was promoting at one time, and use it consistently across the code base... ensuring that every app that needs random numbers gets it from the HW RNG, etc. And the PC BIOS is.... ugh. OpenFirmware seems very cool, writing it in FORTH is way nerdy... putting each app in its own directory structure makes uninstalls a lot less complicated... any Mac afficianados want to offer up other reasons to shell out the bucks for one? -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From biigal at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 2 06:48:15 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Fri Sep 2 05:22:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <001601c5afab$d3081d80$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. BiigAl PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "SATLUG" Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > Hi everyone, > > I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. > And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. > > Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San > Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as > 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the > clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they > usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and > work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. > REST SNIPPED" > Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? > > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 08:36:51 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 2 07:11:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: What about us coders making a CGI and database for tracking evacuees? It could be wiki-like, where anyone can enter data from whereever, with the ability to revert vandalism once detected. Then all we'd have to do is get the word out, and people could get in contact with evacuees and evacuees could let family know about their location, contact info, etc. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Sep 2 09:06:33 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Sep 2 07:41:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> That's a GREAT idea...something that the Red Cross is suppose to do and has never been able to pull it off successfully. Additionally, its something that the San Antonio EOC needs...and Don has the server for the EOC that can do that...so Don if needed, use that server. Of course the problem with tracking is that you really need a signed release statement so you can put in the individual's personal information, i.e. home address, telephone number SSAN, etc. So what you wind up with is name (First middle and last), city evacuated from, present location (facility), a contact telephone number if they want to give it, and an ID number (Ideally their SSAN but you can make up one such as SAT00921. You need full sorting and search capability. If you allow other than computer opertors to use the system, the search should only be by name and give the city/location they were evacuated from and current location. AND this should be a simple HTML presentation. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Travis H. Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:37 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support What about us coders making a CGI and database for tracking evacuees? It could be wiki-like, where anyone can enter data from whereever, with the ability to revert vandalism once detected. Then all we'd have to do is get the word out, and people could get in contact with evacuees and evacuees could let family know about their location, contact info, etc. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Sep 2 09:15:43 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Sep 2 07:50:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2D@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> The word I got late last night from our EOC rep. was that we could have up to 30,000 refugees with 5,000 being injured. We need the database suggested and look up capability. If you can do this for the Houston Astrodome and Dallas evacuation sites, then we have REALLY done a good thing. The San Antonio EOC or Red Cross can help you get in touch with the Houston and Dallas folks who would have a list. Putting the search function on-line accessed via the web would be super...you just don't want to let the general public in as you will have 10 hits for every individual you list as folks who don't know where their relatives and friends are will want to check/search the database...you have to restrict it to "official use only". Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12 PM To: SATLUG Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Hi everyone, I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. I thought that SATLUG might do its part in helping these poor people by providing what we can -- some computer/Internet access. I've already spoken with the owner of the ISP I work with. He's open to the idea and has agreed to provide access to his Internet pipe. He's going to talk to SBC about donating one or two DSL lines for the time. I'm going to kick in some equipment and the router to connect the computers. And I also have a couple PCs that can be used. But I thought I'd toss the idea out to SATLUG. Get a feeler if there are people who would donate to the effort. We're talking about a low-to-mid power computer -- probably a high-end P2 to a low-end P4 or AMD equivalent. Monitor, keyboard, and mouse with each would be needed. NO HARD DRIVES. I figured we'd supply each system with a CD-ROM and a copy of KNOPPIX. That way, we don't have to worry about installing anything, people downloading/installing programs, or viruses. It should also avoid the problem with people monopolizing the computers while downloading/storing music or the like. So, what do you think guys & gals? Are there some members who would loan a computer for a while to support these refugees? And maybe a couple volunteers to spend a couple hours there each day helping people? We can switch out and each person take one a day of the week to visit/help. Of course, we'll have to coordinate with the refugee center operations to get permission and make sure we have a monitored/secure area for the computers -- we don't want them springing legs during the night... I was told this afternoon that SBC has already stepped forward in Houston to provide wired phones, cell phones, and Internet access. I think we should first check if they are going to do the same here. If so -- I think they'll beat us out in equipment and savvy. But if they aren't doing the same here -- its a great chance for us to not only help these people, but we can spread the word about our favorite OS. Maybe some people will get the idea when they see what can be done with a CD-only OS -- let alone the installed version. Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? Chuck _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Sep 2 09:30:00 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:04:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A31@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Al, If you haven't left yet, please call me at 216-9849...I need a ride to Dallas this weekend to work disaster communications from up there. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Albert W Lochli Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. BiigAl PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "SATLUG" Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > Hi everyone, > > I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. > And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. > > Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San > Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as > 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the > clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they > usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and > work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. > REST SNIPPED" > Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? > > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Sep 2 07:32:36 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:07:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <20050902133237.99004.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Use a mysql database to store all the info w/a php+html front end? I'd skip the signed release thing..if I was real gung-ho about this I'd drive up to wherever they (the refugees) will be housed and tell them what you are doing. They can submit their name, address, phone # and SSN. If you want to make a generic dump for the public on your www site showing who is in SA you can do that just omit the SSN or other private information. On top of that family can go to your website and search by name/address/SSN/phone for their relative. You can even have a comment box that the refugee can leave for whomever. -Alex > Of course the problem with tracking is that you > really need a signed release > statement so you can put in the individual's > personal information, i.e. home > address, telephone number SSAN, etc. So what you > wind up with is name > (First middle and last), city evacuated from, > present location (facility), a > contact telephone number if they want to give it, > and an ID number (Ideally > their SSAN but you can make up one such as SAT00921. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 09:46:08 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:21:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 01 Sep 2005 20:11:43 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. > And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. The "I'm OK" databases have been started at different major news website around the area. http://www.nola.com http://www.foxnews.com We can do something similar here, when the refugee's start ariving at the abandoned wharehouses at KellyUSA. If you think this quad P133 server will help, Chuck, consider it donated. -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Sep 2 09:49:29 2005 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:24:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A32@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Since the Red Cross controls the shelters, to get into the shelters and get and names from individuals or from Red Cross lists, you must get permission from the Red Cross. The Red Cross will NOT let you take information from a refugee unless they sign a waiver or have signed the Red Cross waiver. This is for the Red Cross' protection. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Alex Bartonek Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:33 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Use a mysql database to store all the info w/a php+html front end? I'd skip the signed release thing..if I was real gung-ho about this I'd drive up to wherever they (the refugees) will be housed and tell them what you are doing. They can submit their name, address, phone # and SSN. If you want to make a generic dump for the public on your www site showing who is in SA you can do that just omit the SSN or other private information. On top of that family can go to your website and search by name/address/SSN/phone for their relative. You can even have a comment box that the refugee can leave for whomever. -Alex > Of course the problem with tracking is that you > really need a signed release > statement so you can put in the individual's > personal information, i.e. home > address, telephone number SSAN, etc. So what you > wind up with is name > (First middle and last), city evacuated from, > present location (facility), a > contact telephone number if they want to give it, > and an ID number (Ideally > their SSAN but you can make up one such as SAT00921. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Sep 2 07:56:19 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Sep 2 08:31:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A32@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> ok.. how about showing up with a few (quite a bit) of writing tablets, let the people know we're from SATLUG, what our intents are..have them write their info and sign off to what we are doing? --- DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > Since the Red Cross controls the shelters, to get > into the shelters and get > and names from individuals or from Red Cross lists, > you must get permission > from the Red Cross. The Red Cross will NOT let you > take information from a > refugee unless they sign a waiver or have signed the > Red Cross waiver. This > is for the Red Cross' protection. > > Walt ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jgentil at sebistar.net Fri Sep 2 10:57:28 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Fri Sep 2 09:32:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509020957.28748.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Friday 02 September 2005 08:56 am, Alex Bartonek wrote: > ok.. how about showing up with a few (quite a bit) of > writing tablets, let the people know we're from > SATLUG, what our intents are..have them write their > info and sign off to what we are doing? Overall I think it'll end up being a duplication of information. The Red Cross has a lot of that stuff under control already. I think the best that we can do is provide ways for people to communicate, not a tracking system. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From mark at mccoyfam.net Fri Sep 2 11:37:34 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:12:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <431871BE.9030201@mccoyfam.net> Travis H. wrote: >>Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? > > > Sounds great. I could burn Knoppix CD/DVDs and maybe help people on > my weekend (I have a 3 day weekend, and normally work nights, so if we > need a > night watchman, I may be your man). I also have some security cables for > cabling equipment to furniture or anchor points. Might be able to loan a > computer, depending on the security arrangements. I can help in any way I can. I can burn CD's, and I can put together a P2 500 w/ CDROM, keyboard, mouse, and monitor. I suggest that we use CD's instead of DVD's since if we get together used computers they probably won't have dvd drives. From mikeaw at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 11:49:27 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:24:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <200509020957.28748.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> <200509020957.28748.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <4154519d05090208496158b9db@mail.gmail.com> > Overall I think it'll end up being a duplication of information. > > The Red Cross has a lot of that stuff under control already. I think the > best that we can do is provide ways for people to communicate, not a > tracking system. I agree. The Cross Red should be responsible for tracking. In a situation like this, it can be very important to not repeat yourself. More repetitive information can be very dangerous as one database says one thing, another says something else and no one knows which is correct. Let's just worry about getting them the ability to communicate with their friends and loved ones. -Mike From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Sep 2 12:16:37 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:51:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B020A9A2B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:06:33 -0500 , DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: >That's a GREAT idea...something that the Red Cross is suppose to do and has >never been able to pull it off successfully. > >Additionally, its something that the San Antonio EOC needs...and Don has the >server for the EOC that can do that...so Don if needed, use that server. Let me know when and where. [[ 860-7455 ]] Athlon 1.0GHz, 512MB, twin 20 GB hard drives (currently in RAID), yada yada. Kept hot so I have reasonable expectation the hardware works. OK to wipe and reload as needed. Can also loan the project an external 120 GB hard drive for 'take & lock' storage of the data. We might set up a small LAN with some older boxes I have that would serve as data entry stations. We can reload any of these as needed. Also have a spare Linksys BEFSX41 for basic protection or VPN. Let's get these penguins marching! --Don From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Sep 2 13:00:11 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 2 11:35:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <4154519d05090208496158b9db@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050902135619.27632.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> <200509020957.28748.jgentil@sebistar.net> <4154519d05090208496158b9db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1v0hh15kp4qaolrbjthun3p14fovschp41@4ax.com> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:49:27 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > Let's just worry about getting them the ability to >communicate with their friends and loved ones. SBC has phones and Internet in the Kelly Refugee Center. They are also setting up an incoming message system. No specific mention of computers. (WOAI TV continuous coverage) --Don From jr7958 at sbc.com Fri Sep 2 13:35:48 2005 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Fri Sep 2 12:10:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> SBC has announced that they will be providing services in San Antonio too. You might want to call the local center and find out who is in charge so you can talk to them and get an idea of what they will be providing so duplicate effort is avoided. > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12 PM > To: SATLUG > Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > I was told this afternoon that SBC has already stepped forward in > Houston to provide wired phones, cell phones, and Internet access. I > think we should first check if they are going to do the same here. If > so -- I think they'll beat us out in equipment and savvy. But if they > aren't doing the same here -- its a great chance for us to not only help > these people, but we can spread the word about our favorite OS. Maybe > some people will get the idea when they see what can be done with a > CD-only OS -- let alone the installed version. From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 14:36:45 2005 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Sep 2 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] New Orleans ISP Message-ID: <277020fc05090211361c442e3e@mail.gmail.com> Gang: The folks over at DirectNIC in the data center in NOLA need some help with bandwidth to mirror the wiki, photos, and video feed that they have setup. IF any of you can donate bandwidth or server space (They need minimum 100 mb/s connection) please join the IRC channel: irc.freenode.net #interdictor-tech You can get more info on Interdictor's blog at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor Thanks Sean From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Sep 2 14:37:27 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri Sep 2 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <24882.143.166.226.16.1125686247.squirrel@www.camerontech.com> > Hi everyone, > > I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. > And I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. > There are already a couple of projects like this - have a look at http://www.publicwebstations.com/ Thomas From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Sep 2 15:19:38 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 2 13:54:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:35:48 -0500, "REYNOLDS, JEREMY \(SBCSI\)" wrote: >SBC has announced that they will be providing services in San Antonio Has anyone here checked with Red Cross about what we can do to help? I know SBC and the Telephone Pioneers have phones and "Internet access" in place at Kelly USA (and Astrodome Houston). No mention yet about how many actual PCs are there. SATLUG has computer and network professionals ready to go, and can lay hands on equipment and make it work where needed. Would one of our officers please step up? If nothing else, telephone 2-1-1 is supposed to be a contact for local volunteers. --Don From cilorentson at devtex.net Fri Sep 2 16:04:40 2005 From: cilorentson at devtex.net (Chuck Lorentson) Date: Fri Sep 2 14:39:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] please talk s-l-o-w, cl Message-ID: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> My name is Chuck Lorentson, and I appreciate this 'source', with that said I hope you don't mind if I ''made another run''. I have a question, but please talk slow.....I have read several times in the past different computer articles and they will refer to "x86". Today I come across 'this' again, the statement was ,,,,,,,,,,,"to use Intel's pricy 64-bit Itanium chip as its hardware platform. Most Linux installations rely on far cheaper x86 hardware",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, could someone explain what is being stated? Yes, I know I could have 'googled' this, but, you guys, and this 'platform', are at the 'heart' of the matter Thanks in advance. 73 cl.. From jgentil at sebistar.net Fri Sep 2 16:10:57 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Fri Sep 2 14:46:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] please talk s-l-o-w, cl In-Reply-To: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> References: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> Message-ID: <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Friday 02 September 2005 03:04 pm, Chuck Lorentson wrote: > My name is Chuck Lorentson, and I appreciate this 'source', with that > said I hope you don't mind if I ''made another run''. I have a > question, but please talk slow.....I have read several times in the > past different computer articles and they will refer to "x86". Today > I come across 'this' again, the statement was ,,,,,,,,,,,"to use > Intel's pricy 64-bit Itanium chip as its hardware platform. Most Linux > installations rely on far cheaper x86 hardware",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > could someone explain what is being stated? Yes, I know I could have > 'googled' this, but, you guys, and this 'platform', are at the 'heart' > of the matter Thanks in advance. 73 cl.. Sure. x86 refers to the processor series released by Intel. It started with the 8086, progressed to the 80286, 80386, etc. The Pentium was really a 80586, and such. Any processor that is compatable with that series is considered to use "x86" architecture. Itanium processors are NOT x86 compatable. They are a whole new (and pretty well failed) line of processors by Intel for server-class 64 bit processing. Intel has since followed suit with AMD to produce x86-compatable 64-bit processors. I don't remember what the Intel product name is for their AMD-64 compatable series. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 2 16:28:49 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Sep 2 15:05:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] please talk s-l-o-w, cl In-Reply-To: <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <4944.208.191.193.29.1125692929.squirrel@208.191.193.29> i'll talk even slower. if you were to bring home an itanium based system that had a blank hard drive, you would NOT be able to go to bestbuy and buy any software to get it running. ~e From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Sep 2 16:41:32 2005 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri Sep 2 15:31:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] please talk s-l-o-w, cl In-Reply-To: <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <001301c5aff9$8e618380$b88f603f@hppav> <200509021510.57782.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <31851.143.166.226.16.1125693692.squirrel@www.camerontech.com> > I don't remember what the Intel product name is for their > AMD-64 compatable series. Extended Memory 64 Technology (EM64T) - see http://www.intel.com/technology/64bitextensions/ for more details. Thomas From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Sep 2 22:31:38 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 2 21:06:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: To quote our friend Stance: This is just a pre-reminder of the next San Antonio Computer Show. Date: SEPTEMBER 10-11 Location: AIRPORT CONVENTION CENTER / 8505 N. BROADWAY @ LOOP 410 -- Linux enthusiasts wanted. No wages. Uncomfortable chairs. Long hours under fluorescent light. Lousy food. Overthrow of Evil Empire doubtful. Honour and recognition in case of success. Contact booth team: wmail@wricomp.com From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Sep 2 23:10:56 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Sep 2 21:45:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: References: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <1125717057.17578.114.camel@laptop> HEY everyone, First I want to thank BiigAl, Walt, Don, Thomas, Geoff, and everyone else who volunteered to help or provide computers. But as Jeremy mentioned in his message -- I was informed this afternoon that SBC *IS* in fact providing phone and Internet access at Kelly. I suspect they can provide a lot more and more recent/better computers than we can. But even if not, our SBC contact wouldn't go along with the idea since their own company is doing that same thing. So, our plan is a bust. But thanks again to everyone who volunteered... I like the idea of the refugee database. But as Walt mentioned, Red Cross already has this same type of capability internally. And anything we could whip up would just be a duplication of effort. Plus, I heard on the radio today that there are already websites up doing the same thing. I haven't had time to search for any of them yet (just got home a little while ago), but I'll report anything I find. Anyway, good ideas all and nice to see everyone ready to pitch in to help these refugees. I hope we can find some way to help using our own particular skills. But even if we can't help with computer support or skills, we can always donate personal goods or cash. Lorrie is working on a big bundle of stuff right now. Maybe we'll see some of you when we make our donation run. Chuck On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 14:19, Don Wright wrote: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:35:48 -0500, "REYNOLDS, JEREMY \(SBCSI\)" wrote: >SBC has announced that they will be providing services in San Antonio Has anyone here checked with Red Cross about what we can do to help? I know SBC and the Telephone Pioneers have phones and "Internet access" in place at Kelly USA (and Astrodome Houston). No mention yet about how many actual PCs are there. SATLUG has computer and network professionals ready to go, and can lay hands on equipment and make it work where needed. Would one of our officers please step up? If nothing else, telephone 2-1-1 is supposed to be a contact for local volunteers. --Don _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 01:07:38 2005 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Sep 2 23:42:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: file server questions In-Reply-To: References: <200508312349.50182.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On 9/1/05, Travis H. wrote: > ...[snip]... > Not sure what the PCI-32 max bus speed is. The PCI-32 bus at 33 MHz according to this table--- <> is... Bits Bytes Connection (peak - not sustained) =========================================== PCI 32/33 1064 Mbit/s 133 MB/s PCI 64/66 4264 Mbit/s 533 MB/s PCI 64/33 ? ? PCI-X 133 8528 Mbit/s 1066 MB/s PCI-X DDR 18.064 Gbit/s 2.133 GB/s PCI Express (x1 link) 4000 Mbit/s 500 MB/s PCI Express (x4 link) 16.00 Gbit/s 2 GB/s PCI Express (x16 link) 64 Gbit/s 8 GB/s HyperTransport (800MHz, 16-pair) 51.2 Gbit/s 6.4 GB/s Serial ATA 1200 Mbit/s 150 MB/s Serial ATA (SATA300) 2400 Mbit/s 300 MB/s I am not an engineer but it appears that bandwidth is easily manipulated by chip makers to improve the PCI "burst" bandwidth to be "sustained" bandwidth from my reading at--- <> Xilinx claims that by optimizing the chip transfer timing to the design connection and increasing the buffer in the chip they can sustain the quoted "peak" rates. I am interested in determining accurate bandwidth rates in Information transfers for my "Speed Limit of the Information Universe" matrix. This is the "Speed Limit" from a source device like a disk drive, any removable media storage device, LUN, RAID unit, LVM, SAN, NAS, through the peripheral interconnects, system interconnects, and network to a destination device. (1) How long does it take for a keystroke to produce the desired action? (2) How long does it take one byte to move from a source to a destination? Thanks, Robert From theoneghost at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 01:53:59 2005 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Sat Sep 3 00:28:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder for Computer Blast. Message-ID: Who exactly is going to computer blast? I dont think I was given a name of a person to look for. Or do I just go to the booth? I should have asked these questions earlier, but I forgot. If you guys dont know what Im talking about, Im the guy who couldnt install on the dell laptop. -- - Seth From mikeaw at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 01:59:11 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Sat Sep 3 00:34:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <1125717057.17578.114.camel@laptop> References: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0C1E551@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> <1125717057.17578.114.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4154519d05090222592f5c5fd9@mail.gmail.com> > we can always donate personal goods or cash. This is the best thing we can do at the moment. All of us feel like we want to do so much more for our new neighbors, but for now, money, food, clothing and blood are what's really necessary. I heard something earlier in the evening about the blood and tissue center needing type AB blood, both positive and negative. -Mike From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Sep 3 02:17:24 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sat Sep 3 00:52:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder for Computer Blast. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3mfih1hsch0vi5nfg044r51e9bf9mtnnch@4ax.com> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:53:59 -0500, Seth Sanchez wrote: >Who exactly is going to computer blast? I dont think I was given a name of a >person to look for. Or do I just go to the booth? Several of us are regulars at the booth. You can check in with whoever's there. If someone specific is helping you with your install, try to coordinate so you both show up at the same time. --Don (just another convention junkie) Also remember the SAC InstallFest and SATLUG meeting, coming soon to a college near you. www.satlug.org From joshua_penrod at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 12:12:29 2005 From: joshua_penrod at yahoo.com (Joshua Penrod) Date: Sun Sep 4 12:47:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? Message-ID: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't even play on windows if you're trying to run it in Firefox. Thanks, Josh ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From masterr at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 15:08:15 2005 From: masterr at gmail.com (masterr@gmail.com) Date: Sun Sep 4 13:43:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14842c4105090412082f3bd18a@mail.gmail.com> Shoutcast works fine with XMMS, Beep-Media-Player and several other linux music players. You might want to try some shoutcast stations. http://www.shoutcast.com On 9/4/05, Joshua Penrod wrote: > > When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, > but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use > Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any > internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are > Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says > that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't > even play on windows if you're trying to run it in > Firefox. > > Thanks, > > Josh > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jon/MasteR masterr@gmail.com i am a n00b From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Sun Sep 4 16:04:32 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Sun Sep 4 14:38:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Survivor Update... Message-ID: <200509041938.j84Jccf01415@alamo.satlug.org> Here are some links to the databases of survivors of the storm.if you know anyone that might find this useful please pass along. http://wx.gulfcoastnews.com/katrina/status.aspx http://www.familylinks.icrc.org/katrina/people Also Salsa.Net is working with community networks in Austin, Dallas, and Houston to connect up all the people at each shelter. We are being given information in burst right now but I might have specific request for support at the shelters here.I'll let you know as I get word. The Houston guys have created a blog for specific software/hardware needs.I told them we were willing to do the same here once we found out what we needed. I am willing to post to the Salsa.net site and would probably ask to post the Satlug site as well. Here is the latest word from the Astrodome. As of late last night, the Astrodome was full and evacuees were being diverted to other sites. We have an internal TFA meeting this morning to update everyone working on the Astrodome Community Technology Center (CTC) project. The minor change in plans is that we now expect to be working on the development of CTCs at shelters and staging areas across the city in addition to the Astrodome. In speaking late yesterday to our contact in the mayor's office, it is estimated that at least 100,000 persons will be scattered across the city in multiple long term shelters including the Astrodome, empty buildings, churches, and other sites. Helping to connect these folks to the outside world will extend beyond this emergency situation, because we expect many of these evacuees to stay as permanent residents in the area. Many of them are the poorest of the poor and will need additional assistance, training, support etc. Schools are accepting new students. Yesterday, for instance, my wife's school received 30 new students and they were over capacity before that. Many new students across the region could benefit from CTCs that provide after school programs near shelters and schools. Creating opportunities for digital stories of this ordeal could be both a cathartic and a learning experience for victims of Katrina. Using these computers for job training and searches will also be important. This is just the beginning. The existing and rapidly expanding Houston CTC community will be asked to step up to the plate to prepare for the opportunity/challenge. We have had enough equipment, software, and connectivity donated for the initial installation at the dome, but we are going to need much more. Once all our donors have signed off (some have asked for anonymity), I will provide a summary of their donations. Thank you to each of you and your corporations/organizations who have already signed up to help. Your help is needed. We now know we need additional equipment, connectivity, software, volunteers, and of course $'s. I will put a list of equipment needs on our blog at http://texasctcs.blogspot.com/ . Cash contributions can be made online at www.techforall.org or by check to the address below. Will William S. Reed, D.Min. TECHNOLOGY FOR ALL(r)/Technology For All-Houston 2220 Broadway | Houston, TX 77012 Tel: 713.454.6400 | Direct: 713.454.6411 | Fax: 713.454.6454 e-mail: Will.Reed @ techforall.org website: http://www.techforall.org BLOG: http://texasctcs.blogspot.com/ TFA-Wireless http://www.techforall.org/tfa_wireless.html "We Empower Communities" Thanks Dean McCall President/ CEO Salsa.Net www.Salsa.net 210.422.9255 From ruben50 at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 17:32:48 2005 From: ruben50 at gmail.com (Ruben G. Villanueva) Date: Sun Sep 4 15:07:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Active X in Linux Message-ID: <3dfab6340509041332295a6e26@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, it's been a while since I've writen cause I,ve moved to Ft. Gordon, but I have a question about Active X. I conviced one of my buddies here to switch over to linux and now he cant play one of his favorite games. Its is called sumo volleyball and it is found on www.shizmoo.com. I read somewhere that flash player would play Active X content but I'm not seeing any results. Can one of you lead me in the right direction. I think that crossover will load active x content for me but he does not want to go that route. Thanks, -- Ruben G. Villanueva From jgentil at sebistar.net Sun Sep 4 18:35:48 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Sun Sep 4 17:10:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Active X in Linux In-Reply-To: <3dfab6340509041332295a6e26@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dfab6340509041332295a6e26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509041735.48655.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Sunday 04 September 2005 03:32 pm, Ruben G. Villanueva wrote: > Hi guys, it's been a while since I've writen cause I,ve moved to Ft. > Gordon, but I have a question about Active X. I conviced one of my > buddies here to switch over to linux and now he cant play one of his > favorite games. Its is called sumo volleyball and it is found on > www.shizmoo.com. > I read somewhere that flash player would play Active X content but I'm > not seeing any results. Can one of you lead me in the right direction. > I think that crossover will load active x content for me but he does > not want to go that route. Yeah, crossover is about the only way to make it work. ActiveX is a pretty generic term for a microsoft technology that involves COM. You'd need a pretty sophisticated windows emulation tool and a way to make it a plugin for Mozilla/Firefox. The only thing I know that does it is Crossover, and even then it does not always work. There are a plethora of Java-based games out there, perhaps just him addicted to Yahoo games. :) -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From geevowitz at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 20:35:17 2005 From: geevowitz at gmail.com (Gavin Brower) Date: Sun Sep 4 19:10:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash plug-in for mozilla Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have been useing UBUNTU Linux for about 2-3 months now and I can't seem to get the flash plug-in for mozilla to work correctly. I have installed the plug-in, and have the latest version of mozilla Firefox(1.0.6) installed. But every time I visit a web page that uses a flash video, Firefox crashes so I have to uninstall the pug-in and live without my flash videos. By the way, I am 14 years old and just rescently built my first computer, It is kind of slow (AMD K6-2 500mhz, 128mb ram, 40gbHDD). Thats why I use it as a router/firewall and to stream my music on my network at home. I love Linux, the only draw back is that I can't play flash videos. I don't think I will be going back to Windows any time soon though. Also when is the next SATLUG meeting, the website says August 10th. Is that supposed to say September? From J at JVPappas.net Sun Sep 4 20:38:46 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Sep 4 19:13:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? In-Reply-To: <14842c4105090412082f3bd18a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> <14842c4105090412082f3bd18a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1125880726.10713.53.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Shoutcast is what my guys use at work also... On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 14:08 -0500, masterr@gmail.com wrote: > Shoutcast works fine with XMMS, Beep-Media-Player and several other linux > music players. You might want to try some shoutcast stations. > > http://www.shoutcast.com > > On 9/4/05, Joshua Penrod wrote: > > > > When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, > > but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use > > Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any > > internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are > > Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says > > that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't > > even play on windows if you're trying to run it in > > Firefox. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From karl at oelschlaeger.ws Sun Sep 4 21:11:35 2005 From: karl at oelschlaeger.ws (Karl Oelschlaeger) Date: Sun Sep 4 19:46:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash plug-in for mozilla In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1125882694.3831.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 19:35, Gavin Brower wrote: > Hi everyone, I have been using UBUNTU Linux for about 2-3 months now and I > can't seem to get the flash plug-in for mozilla to work correctly. > I have installed the plug-in, and have the latest version of mozilla > Firefox(1.0.6) installed. But every time I visit a web page that uses a > flash video, > Firefox crashes so I have to uninstall the pug-in and live without my flash > videos. > > By the way, I am 14 years old and just rescently built my first computer, It > is kind of slow (AMD K6-2 500mhz, 128mb ram, 40gbHDD). Thats why I use it as > a > router/firewall and to stream my music on my network at home. I love Linux, > the only draw back is that I can't play flash videos. I don't think I will > be going back > to Windows any time soon though. > > Also when is the next SATLUG meeting, the website says August 10th. Is that > supposed to say September? > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Are you running the executable from Macromedia or are you copying libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt to your plug-ins folder? When you do have the plug-in installed, what does Firefox have to say when you view installed plug-ins under Edit -> Preferences -> Downloads -> plug-ins? Karl Oelschlaeger From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 21:21:44 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 4 21:56:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, so I am setting up another server runnin SuSE 9.2 Pro.. I decided to get 4.0.25 because 4.1.x had problems w/mysqlcc and mysql-administrator sucks. You figure SuSE would learn and get that thing working?? geez. Ok, on to my dilemma... I downloaded the rpm's to mysql 4.0.25 (devel, client, server etc)..installed them and get the following error: (su'd below) Error 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2). ok..so I dump the linux.err from the /var/lib/mysql dir... and basically the first error is error #142, unknown charset.. so I do: linux:/var/lib/mysql/mysql # myisamchk -dvv host.MYI myisamchk: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2) myisamchk: Character set '#83' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index' file myisamchk: error: 142 when opening MyISAM-table 'host.MYI' it doesnt like is 83. I'm stumped.. I've even recompiled 4.0.25 from source, rebooted etc..I've searched MySQL's site and didnt get to a solution, nor did google help... My server is working good but the second isnt..then again I didnt install 4.0.25, I just installed whatever version comes w/SuSE 9.2.. Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jgentil at sebistar.net Mon Sep 5 00:33:55 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:08:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509042333.55623.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Sunday 04 September 2005 10:21 pm, Alex Bartonek wrote: > Ok, so I am setting up another server runnin SuSE 9.2 > Pro.. I decided to get 4.0.25 because 4.1.x had > problems w/mysqlcc and mysql-administrator sucks. You > figure SuSE would learn and get that thing working?? > geez. I'd imagine that the problem have little to do with SuSE and more to do with the fact that both of those are in beta still, one being all but discontinued. > linux:/var/lib/mysql/mysql # myisamchk -dvv host.MYI > myisamchk: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not > found (Errcode: 2) > myisamchk: Character set '#83' is not a compiled > character set and is not specified in the > '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index' file > myisamchk: error: 142 when opening MyISAM-table > 'host.MYI' > it doesnt like is 83. > I'm stumped.. I've even recompiled 4.0.25 from source, > rebooted etc..I've searched MySQL's site and didnt get > to a solution, nor did google help... My server is > working good but the second isnt..then again I didnt > install 4.0.25, I just installed whatever version > comes w/SuSE 9.2.. It looks like the localization information for MySQL was not installed when you built the manual RPMs. Check to see what is in /usr/share/mysql/charsets/. Also check to make sure it didn't accidentally install in /usr/local/share/mysql :) Happens sometimes. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From eli at then7.com Mon Sep 5 00:58:50 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:35:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] chuckle Message-ID: <2475.67.162.232.49.1125896330.squirrel@67.162.232.49> So I'm about to use lilo to boot to a raid1 /boot partition on a new server, but I haven't set that up in a while. I fire up google, typical in these types of cases, to jog my memory. I hit the jackpot pretty quick, finding a snippet with the exact info I need. I'm reading, I'm reading...HEY. Wait a minute! THAT'S ME! DOH! It's an online archive of the list, and I've found my own post. I was helping myself, and didn't even know it back then. hee hee. ~e From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 23:10:11 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:45:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] chuckle In-Reply-To: <2475.67.162.232.49.1125896330.squirrel@67.162.232.49> Message-ID: <20050905051011.1265.qmail@web54315.mail.yahoo.com> ROTFL!!!!! now thats funny! --- Eli wrote: > So I'm about to use lilo to boot to a raid1 /boot > partition on a new > server, but I haven't set that up in a while. > > I fire up google, typical in these types of cases, > to jog my memory. > > I hit the jackpot pretty quick, finding a snippet > with the exact info I need. > > I'm reading, I'm reading...HEY. Wait a minute! > > THAT'S ME! DOH! It's an online archive of the list, > and I've found my own > post. > > I was helping myself, and didn't even know it back > then. > > hee hee. > > ~e > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 23:14:33 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:49:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <200509042333.55623.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <20050905051433.8094.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jon-Pierre Gentil wrote: > It looks like the localization information for MySQL > was not installed > when you built the manual RPMs. Check to see what > is > in /usr/share/mysql/charsets/. Also check to make > sure it didn't > accidentally install in /usr/local/share/mysql :) both have the same charsets (both dirs you listed above).. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jgentil at sebistar.net Mon Sep 5 01:18:01 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Sun Sep 4 23:52:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <20050905051433.8094.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050905051433.8094.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509050018.01353.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Monday 05 September 2005 12:14 am, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > in /usr/share/mysql/charsets/. Also check to make > > sure it didn't > > accidentally install in /usr/local/share/mysql :) > > both have the same charsets (both dirs you listed above).. Try and diff this file between machines, see if they are identical: /usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index Beyond that, better ask the MySQL developer forums. :-/ -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 07:23:45 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Sep 5 05:58:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] why cant MySQL be good and work the first time? In-Reply-To: <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> <20050905032144.19505.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd05090504236bad03f5@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/05, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > I'm stumped.. I've even recompiled 4.0.25 from source, > rebooted etc..I've searched MySQL's site and didnt get > to a solution, nor did google help... My server is > working good but the second isnt..then again I didnt > install 4.0.25, I just installed whatever version > comes w/SuSE 9.2.. > > Alex > When you say that you've recompiled from source, do you mean SuSE's src.rpmor the src.rpm from MySQL website? I've always uninstalled the version that came with SuSE, and grabbed the latest src.rpm from the MySQL website and haven't had any problems. Not even with the 4.1.x versions. As far as administering them. Look into phpmyadmin. It's a great php based admin for MySQL. Ed From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 07:38:52 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Sep 5 06:13:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0509050438506ce654@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/05, Joshua Penrod wrote: > > When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, > but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use > Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any > internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are > Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says > that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't > even play on windows if you're trying to run it in > Firefox. > > Thanks, > > Josh Never tried Yahoo Launchcast, but I just got good results with Mozilla/RealPlayer and www.live365.com Ed From storey at clamp.ws Mon Sep 5 07:46:59 2005 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Mon Sep 5 06:21:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website update ? Message-ID: <001701c5b20f$878f82b0$faabe604@aaron> Today is a holiday, and while everyone is relaxing I wonder if some one will take a few minutes to update the satlug website. Cheers, Storey Clamp From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 09:39:41 2005 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Mon Sep 5 08:14:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Radio for Linux? In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0509050438506ce654@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050904181230.30854.qmail@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> <8ee65edd0509050438506ce654@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99af515b0509050639567e76fa@mail.gmail.com> Checke this program out if you are into listenting to radio on the internet. I love it!!!!! Great piece of software. http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/ On 9/5/05, Ed Coates wrote: > > On 9/4/05, Joshua Penrod wrote: > > > > When at work I listen to Yahoo Launchcast as I work, > > but this is on Windows XP. When at home, I mostly use > > Fedora Linux and so do my kids. Are there any > > internet radio stations similar to Launchcast that are > > Linux friendly? Launchcast throws an error and says > > that it doesn't support Netscape 6.0+, so it doesn't > > even play on windows if you're trying to run it in > > Firefox. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Josh > > > > Never tried Yahoo Launchcast, but I just got good results with > Mozilla/RealPlayer and www.live365.com < > http://www.live365.com> > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From cjs226 at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:51:48 2005 From: cjs226 at gmail.com (Clif Smith) Date: Mon Sep 5 10:26:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT :: Looking for IP KVM recommendations Message-ID: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any experience and/or recommendations for a IP KVM? From geevowitz at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 13:34:40 2005 From: geevowitz at gmail.com (Gavin Brower) Date: Mon Sep 5 12:09:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash plug-in for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1125882694.3831.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1125882694.3831.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 9/4/05, Karl Oelschlaeger wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 19:35, Gavin Brower wrote: > > Hi everyone, I have been using UBUNTU Linux for about 2-3 months now and > I > > can't seem to get the flash plug-in for mozilla to work correctly. > > I have installed the plug-in, and have the latest version of mozilla > > Firefox(1.0.6) installed. But every time I visit a web page that uses a > > flash video, > > Firefox crashes so I have to uninstall the pug-in and live without my > flash > > videos. > > > > By the way, I am 14 years old and just rescently built my first > computer, It > > is kind of slow (AMD K6-2 500mhz, 128mb ram, 40gbHDD). Thats why I use > it as > > a > > router/firewall and to stream my music on my network at home. I love > Linux, > > the only draw back is that I can't play flash videos. I don't think I > will > > be going back > > to Windows any time soon though. > > > > Also when is the next SATLUG meeting, the website says August 10th. Is > that > > supposed to say September? > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Are you running the executable from Macromedia or are you copying > libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt to your plug-ins folder? When you > do have the plug-in installed, what does Firefox have to say when you > view installed plug-ins under Edit -> Preferences -> Downloads -> > plug-ins? > > > Karl Oelschlaeger > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > I updated my repositories yesterday, and today when I went in to Synaptic Package Manager to download the plug-in, I noticed a new file. Before, I was downloading libflash-mozplugin, but the new file I found is flashplayer-mozilla, so I downloaded to download that file instead, and now it works great. Thanks, Gavin Brower From jgentil at sebistar.net Mon Sep 5 13:39:58 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Mon Sep 5 12:14:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash plug-in for mozilla In-Reply-To: References: <1125882694.3831.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200509051239.58876.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Monday 05 September 2005 12:34 pm, Gavin Brower wrote: > I updated my repositories yesterday, and today when I went in to > Synaptic Package Manager to download the plug-in, I noticed a new file. > Before, I was downloading libflash-mozplugin, but the new file I found > is flashplayer-mozilla, so I downloaded to download that file instead, > and now it works great. > Thanks, Yeah, libflash is a free replacement for the Macromedia Flash player. It doesn't work very well yet. flashplayer-mozilla is a plugin for the linux version of Flash produced by Macromedia. Make sure to only have one or the other installed. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Sep 5 20:25:09 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Mon Sep 5 18:59:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OASIS Message-ID: <431CE1E5.7060808@cis.sac.accd.edu> Thought you might find this interesting http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/77076/new-file-format-causes-mass-panic-at-microsoft.html. Maybe other states will follow their lead. Maybe even Texas. Steve From theoneghost at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 21:26:31 2005 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Mon Sep 5 20:01:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest dates Message-ID: I was told that if I went to computer blast, I wouldnt be able to test my internet connection. Its going to be a wireless connection on a laptop, but if I were to go to the installfest, would I be able to get help there? And if I could, where is it going to be and at what times? -- - Seth From jtiner at gvtc.com Mon Sep 5 21:55:16 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (Jtiner) Date: Mon Sep 5 20:30:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Katrina Message-ID: <20050906015516.22518.qmail@oneil.gvtc.com> here's a story on desktoplinux.org that may be an opportunity for those that wanted to help. http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS4984662030.html ________________________________________________ webmail.gvtc.com From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Sep 5 21:56:43 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Sep 5 20:31:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1125971804.21212.131.camel@laptop> We don't normally have an Internet connection at the Computer Blast. Unless someone has made arrangements recently... If you want to check your wireless setup, I can probably loan the Computer Blast guys my access point. They could hook it into their small network to test your wireless configuration. Let me know if you need it and I'll get it to Don. I won't be at the Computer Blast as I have a flying exercise to attend that weekend and a communications class to give while there. Chuck On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 20:26, Seth Sanchez wrote: I was told that if I went to computer blast, I wouldnt be able to test my internet connection. Its going to be a wireless connection on a laptop, but if I were to go to the installfest, would I be able to get help there? And if I could, where is it going to be and at what times? -- - Seth _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 6 09:21:49 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Tue Sep 6 07:56:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> <001601c5afab$d3081d80$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> I have read all the other reply messages and see the level of availability and flustration in wanting to do it all. HOWEVER: Has anyone made or attempted to make any contacts to the ARC or other groups supporting the refugee situation?? I have started to do that and am waiting on replies from their general info lines. If anyone has a better inside contact please reach me at 829-4274 ASAP. ALSO if anyone has made contact I want to abort my efforts and support yours instead. It is anticipated by me that we would be in a support role supporting them in installation and system set up and use their type reports... but we can establish some great assistance along this line. BiigAl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert W Lochli" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. > Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. > I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. > > BiigAl > > PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck" > To: "SATLUG" > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And >> I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. >> >> Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San >> Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as >> 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the >> clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they >> usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and >> work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. >> REST SNIPPED" > >> Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Sep 6 09:36:40 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Sep 6 08:11:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <200509061336.j86DaeMS027067@biochem.uthscsa.edu> As have many others, we have advertised free living space for a family of four in our house on the various lists (Craigs list, moveon.org, etc). Yet, we have not had a single response. My opinion is that is due to lack of internet access at the relief centers. I would be surprised if the ARC is worrying about providing public terminals with internet access at this point, and wouldn't be surprised if they would welcome technical assistance from local NP groups such as Satlug. I think BiigAl has it exactly right when he suggests that contacting ARC is the first step in getting something set up for them. BiigAl, keep us posted on what you find out when they do call back. I will do some research myself and report back when I hear any news. -Borries > > I have read all the other reply messages and see the level of availability > and flustration in wanting to do it all. > > HOWEVER: Has anyone made or attempted to make any contacts to the ARC or > other groups supporting the refugee situation?? I have started to do that > and am waiting on replies from their general info lines. If anyone has a > better inside contact please reach me at 829-4274 ASAP. > > ALSO if anyone has made contact I want to abort my efforts and support yours > instead. > > It is anticipated by me that we would be in a support role supporting them > in installation and system set up and use their type reports... but we can > establish some great assistance along this line. > > BiigAl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Albert W Lochli" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > > > Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. > > Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. > > I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. > > > > BiigAl > > > > PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chuck" > > To: "SATLUG" > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM > > Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And > >> I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. > >> > >> Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San > >> Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as > >> 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the > >> clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they > >> usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and > >> work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. > >> REST SNIPPED" > > > >> Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? > >> > >> > >> > >> Chuck > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 6 09:52:58 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Tue Sep 6 08:27:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-up One Message-ID: <001a01c5b2ea$4a5a2400$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> I have made initial contact with ARC - they may need us. Who has time available to set up internet terminals and a supporting network and when?? After hours work may be useful. Hardware requirements are uncertain. You will need minimal tools and your warm fuzzy body present. Pending contact with Othneil and Chuck I will temporarily be a point of contact here biigal@satx.rr.com or 210-829-4274 Thanks all From J at JVPappas.net Tue Sep 6 10:19:36 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 6 08:54:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT :: Looking for IP KVM recommendations In-Reply-To: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1126016376.10609.2.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> I have used Raritan IP Reach with good success. I imagine that they are on the pricey side though. On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 10:51 -0500, Clif Smith wrote: > Does anyone have any experience and/or recommendations for a IP KVM? > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Tue Sep 6 10:30:00 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:02:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-up One In-Reply-To: <001a01c5b2ea$4a5a2400$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <200509061402.j86E2ef12442@alamo.satlug.org> That's great AL...I think the Red Cross and FEMA both are hurting for techs and equipment. When I was over there the other day the Red Cross was using the computer in the center setup for the refugees. It's been a bit crazy but I think things are starting to set in place... I would keep working that angle and also get in touch with Larry Myers with SBC he is on his way down to Kelly and knows the tech needs a little bit better and the locations. His number is 422-3282 and I would work out personal needs with him as well. They got about 50 more computer from AMD over the weekend and I know they need help.... Also you might pull in some of these people and relieve some of my work load if you don't mind:) Dean: My name is Tom Hodges. I am an unemployed IT Manager with 25 years experience in the computer business. I understand that you folks need some technical support people to volunteer to help out with computers and phone systems that are being used in the relief effort. I have some experience repairing IBM thinkPad computers (I have heard that you have 50 of these, and some of them don't work). I have a lot of experience in many other areas, too, including telephony. I am willing to donate some time. Tom Hodges tomhodges@yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can help with PC instruction and technical assistance. Who, what, where, when and how do I contact? Steve Shepard SBT Designs 698-7109 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean, Saw your message on the APCO group list. I'm a local tech consultant and trainer. I would like to offer my services. I'm travelling today (Monday) but will be in my office Tuesday. Please let me know in what specific areas I can help. Also, I've forwarded your previous message to a friend who is the learning center director for TechSkills. My hope is that his staff and/or students (most of whom are working towards additional computer certifications) will volunteer as well. Look forward to chatting with you soon. Regards, db Denise Bierschwale DB & Company Computer Technology Consulting 210.655.8686 Phone 210.863.7223 Mobile ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I forgot my e-mail address: skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. My secretary's number is (210) 733-2290. Have someone call me as soon as possible, so I can get the right people on this right away. The CIS department at SAC will take this on. Get me in touch with the right people. Steve Kolars SAC/CIS Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Dean -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Albert W Lochli Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:53 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-up One I have made initial contact with ARC - they may need us. Who has time available to set up internet terminals and a supporting network and when?? After hours work may be useful. Hardware requirements are uncertain. You will need minimal tools and your warm fuzzy body present. Pending contact with Othneil and Chuck I will temporarily be a point of contact here biigal@satx.rr.com or 210-829-4274 Thanks all _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Tue Sep 6 10:41:17 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:14:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FW: Latest information on tech resource needs at the SA shelters.. Message-ID: <200509061413.j86EDvf12559@alamo.satlug.org> Dean: I just ran across this: http://www.katrinasanantonio.blogspot.com/ Perhaps this is a better effort then me starting from scratch. Joe Barfield is doing this. His email is: joe@joebarfield.com Thoughts? SWC From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Sep 6 10:48:06 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:22:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support In-Reply-To: <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <1125623506.14830.259.camel@laptop> <001601c5afab$d3081d80$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <1126018087.21212.216.camel@laptop> Hey Guys, Did anyone else see this come out yesterday on the XCSSA list??? It looks like Dean and the SalsaNet folks are working a good contact. Maybe we can support their effort. I know Steve Kolars it attempting to help them. I suggest that if we all (SalsaNet, XCSSA, SATLUG) pitch in together -- we can make a big difference. Keep us informed on your contact progress Dean and what assistance is needed. Most of us in SATLUG have also been trying to find a way to help. Chuck ------------------------------------------ As of this morning I spoke with the SBC lead on the relief efforts are here is what is needed: AMD has donated 50 pc but we need monitors for them?I have a call in to the head of corporate marketing for Altex but unfortunately the corp. offices are closed until the morning. IBM donated 50 laptops unfortunately the touch pads are not being utilized by a lot of the survivors so I was asked to come up with 50 USB mice that could be connected to the computers instead?. Also the people manning the stations at Windsor at some of the locations need relief?people who are able to go and help with showing people how to use computers are welcome. Also a basic knowledge of computer troubleshooting is needed but not required?as some of the computers go down and they stay down until someone who knows how to fix it comes along. IF anyone would like to volunteer I would ask that you let me know so that I can coordinate with our leads at each location? Lastly, I was asked if it was possible to put up a website for the SA effort with basic information and directions/maps to the different locations?if anyone would like to take that on let me know and I will get you the information that needs to go on in. I am willing to donate my server for hosting?. Thanks Dean McCall President/ CEO Salsa.Net www.Salsa.net 210.422.9255 ----------------------------------------------- On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 08:21, Albert W Lochli wrote: I have read all the other reply messages and see the level of availability and flustration in wanting to do it all. HOWEVER: Has anyone made or attempted to make any contacts to the ARC or other groups supporting the refugee situation?? I have started to do that and am waiting on replies from their general info lines. If anyone has a better inside contact please reach me at 829-4274 ASAP. ALSO if anyone has made contact I want to abort my efforts and support yours instead. It is anticipated by me that we would be in a support role supporting them in installation and system set up and use their type reports... but we can establish some great assistance along this line. BiigAl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert W Lochli" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > Excellent - you may have my time and some available equipment. > Only my Thursdays and Mondays are currently committed so I have the time. > I am enroute to Dallad returning Monday -- I will rejoin you Tuesday. > > BiigAl > > PS: Lets put a SATLUG name on this. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck" > To: "SATLUG" > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I've got a suggestion that might interest some of our SATLUG members. And >> I wanted to toss it out to see if there is some positive response. >> >> Today's news broke that Houston is already running out of space and San >> Antonio is going to accept New Orleans refugees -- possibly as many as >> 25,000. These people are being shipped here with nothing but the >> clothes on their backs. No phones, no laptops, no nothing. But they >> usually have an urgent need to communicate with family, friends, and >> work -- and sometimes that's thru the Internet. >> REST SNIPPED" > >> Any volunteers, suggestions, ideas???? >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Sep 6 10:49:42 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:24:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Evacuee Support In-Reply-To: <200509061336.j86DaeMS027067@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> <200509061336.j86DaeMS027067@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <7u9rh1tv2htlhgebf0bnappoqjvl603d02@4ax.com> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:36:40 -0500 (CDT), Borries Demeler wrote: >As have many others, we have advertised free living space for a family of >four in our house on the various lists (Craigs list, moveon.org, etc). >Yet, we have not had a single response. My opinion is that is due to lack >of internet access at the relief centers. Based on what I hear from news coverage, ARC is actively opposing all efforts of private individuals to house evacuees. This is due to lawyer-phobia, the paralyzing fear of lawsuits. In a government-provided facility, the landsharks get to fight the government. So the ARC has adopted an unstated policy that all evacuees are wards of the state - to be kept in relocation camps until Great White Father sets up another reservation. The Internet access is there, with rows and rows of laptops. But I wouldn't be surprised if the available sites were filtered. --Don From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 6 11:14:47 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:49:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-TWO Message-ID: <006e01c5b2f5$b87e3e20$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Call for warm fuzzy bodies. To work with needful persons to assist in on line efforts, helping non computer adepts do things on line. Ocassionally correcting operating problems. Possibly installing additional computers, printers and or other hardware but mostly operating help desk type operations. Site One: Kelley USA Operating hours 0900 to maybe midnight. Coordinate your times with SATLUG -- right now BiigAl but we will get a man on site and a phone on site. Ten DSL lines are up with 4 ports on each router. Computers are said to be installed and up and running. Site Two: Windsor Park Mall same hours, same basic jobs but computers are not yet installed. Ten DSL lines are each with ports on their router. Site Three Levi Strauss is Roadrunner coordinated. We have not made contact yet. BiigAl From kingttx at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 12:40:26 2005 From: kingttx at hotmail.com (Thomas King) Date: Tue Sep 6 11:15:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Disastersearch.org Message-ID: Please excuse the new thread. I saw some interest in a database to help connect family members. I noticed there are some websites that tie into this website's database as well: www.disastersearch.org. I don't know if this ties in to Red Cross at all. It appears to be an independent offering. Just a thought. Tom King From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 6 13:23:16 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Tue Sep 6 11:57:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] UPDATE SATLUG & REfugee support Message-ID: <003001c5b307$ab6f0590$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Call for warm fuzzy bodies. CANCELLED FOR THE MOMENT. THERE IS NO OPEN REQUIREMENT Need still exists but they are running it. To work with needful persons to assist in on line efforts, helping non computer adepts do things on line. Ocassionally correcting operating problems. Site One: Kelley USA Operating hours 0900 to maybe midnight. To work with needful persons to assist in on line efforts, helping non computer adepts do things on line. Ocassionally correcting operating problems. They have suffuicent volunteers for tomorrow per ARC-communications Site Two: Windsor Park Mall Nothing installed. Rackspace has a good handle on command center ops. No work order or installation on these: Ten DSL lines are each with ports on their router. Site Three Levi Strauss is Roadrunner coordinated. They are only installing video at this time. BiigAl PS: I feel like I have been on a crocus race. From gwillden at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 15:33:03 2005 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Tue Sep 6 14:07:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website update ? In-Reply-To: <001701c5b20f$878f82b0$faabe604@aaron> References: <001701c5b20f$878f82b0$faabe604@aaron> Message-ID: <345e55a5050906123341f3a570@mail.gmail.com> Yeah this has gone on for too long. Othniel & Officers, If the person responsible for the website can't keep it up then he/she should call for volunteers. I'm sure we have plenty of qualified people to help. It is really an embarrassment to our group and doesn't accurately portray our abilities. We need a proper CMS just like every other LUG out there. For crying out loud I know individuals with far less Linux experience than this group that are running an open-source CMS for their website. Let's get it done. Greg On 9/5/05, Storey Clamp wrote: > > Today is a holiday, and while everyone is relaxing I wonder if some one > will take a few minutes to update the satlug website. > > Cheers, Storey Clamp > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From jtiner at gvtc.com Tue Sep 6 16:06:04 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (Jtiner) Date: Tue Sep 6 14:40:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website update ? Message-ID: <20050906200604.10908.qmail@oneil.gvtc.com> Again, I offer my experience with Mambo. I know, the fight and breakup and formation of joomla is a concern but it is what i know well. I can also work with postnuke. I've also been wanting to try a few others... --------- Original Message -------- From: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Website update ? Date: 06/09/05 13:37 > > Yeah this has gone on for too long. > > Othniel & Officers, > If the person responsible for the website can't keep it up then he/she > should call for volunteers. I'm sure we have plenty of qualified people to > help. > > It is really an embarrassment to our group and doesn't accurately portray > our abilities. > > We need a proper CMS just like every other LUG out there. For crying out > loud I know individuals with far less Linux experience than this group that > are running an open-source CMS for their website. > > Let's get it done. > Greg > > On 9/5/05, Storey Clamp <storey@clamp.ws> wrote: > > > > Today is a holiday, and while everyone is relaxing I wonder if some one > > will take a few minutes to update the satlug website. > > > > Cheers, Storey Clamp > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > -- > To know recursion, you must first know recursion. > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > ________________________________________________ webmail.gvtc.com From sexton at idxwebservices.com Tue Sep 6 16:13:58 2005 From: sexton at idxwebservices.com (Art Sexton) Date: Tue Sep 6 14:48:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website Update Message-ID: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> If you choose Joomla or Mambo as a CMS, I would be happy to assist in setup and design of the site. I would vote for just about any CMS at this point as well as creating categories and appointing mods to update various sections of the site. I have used phpWS and find it better than Nuke or PostNuke but anything would be better than what we have now. Someone please pick something and get the people willing to volunteer involved!!! Thanks, Art Sexton ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From gwillden at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 16:29:18 2005 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Tue Sep 6 15:04:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website Update In-Reply-To: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> References: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: <345e55a50509061329131f6875@mail.gmail.com> Sounds great to me! Othniel, Chuck and anyone else, Who is responsible for the website? Is that person active on the mailing list? - If not, why not? This is a call to action. We have a number of volunteers. Give them the authority and the logins so they can improve the public face of our excellent organization. Thanks Greg On 9/6/05, Art Sexton wrote: > > If you choose Joomla or Mambo as a CMS, I would be happy to assist in > setup and > design of the site. I would vote for just about any CMS at this point as > well > as creating categories and appointing mods to update various sections of > the > site. I have used phpWS and find it better than Nuke or PostNuke but > anything > would be better than what we have now. > > Someone please pick something and get the people willing to volunteer > involved!!! > > Thanks, > > Art Sexton > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From theoneghost at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 19:36:01 2005 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Tue Sep 6 18:10:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] volunteer In-Reply-To: <200509061700.j86H08f13654@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200509061700.j86H08f13654@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: If you guys need volunteersI can help. I have a couple of guys I could get if You needed. But the only thing is, because were in high school, we would only be able to do it on weekends. From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Sep 6 20:31:46 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Sep 6 19:06:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee volunteer assistance at Kelly Message-ID: <1126053107.1160.29.camel@laptop> Hi guys, I just heard from BiigAl at the Kelly refugee center. He says they need as much help as they can get right now. Most of it is simple monitoring of the people using the computers/Internet. Sometimes, you have to reboot a stubborn system -- but that's about it. If anyone can spare even a couple hours this evening or tomorrow -- sign in with the Red Cross and then go to where SBC has the set up in room 309. Sign in with SBC and you're set. BiigAl is still there this evening along with a couple of other SATLUG'gers; including Steve Kolars and Bruce Dubbs. I have family in town unexpectedly this evening, but I'll definitely pitch in tomorrow evening. Hope to see lotsa SATLUG'gers there. Chuck From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Tue Sep 6 20:49:10 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Tue Sep 6 19:23:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-up One In-Reply-To: <001a01c5b2ea$4a5a2400$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <001a01c5b2ea$4a5a2400$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <431E3906.4000401@cis.sac.accd.edu> Albert W Lochli wrote: > I have made initial contact with ARC - they may need us. > > Who has time available to set up internet terminals and a supporting > network and when?? After hours work may be useful. > > Hardware requirements are uncertain. You will need minimal tools and > your warm fuzzy body present. > > Pending contact with Othneil and Chuck I will temporarily be a point > of contact here > > biigal@satx.rr.com > or 210-829-4274 > > Thanks all > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Dr. Dubbs and I went to Kelly late this afternoon--what a mess. They have several buildings, each with several rooms that have computers. Many of the people do not know how to use a browser. All they are looking for is help with *using* the computers. They are not looking for anyone to do Linux stuff. Not a problem we can do that. Dr. Dubbs is at Windsor Mall checking out what is going on there. He will let us know more later. The only thing Linux like is we might put in a squid server--porn has already become a problem. We have several servers ready to go. If anyone has a lot of experience with squid let me know at skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. Steve From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Sep 6 20:51:43 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Sep 6 19:26:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website Update In-Reply-To: <345e55a50509061329131f6875@mail.gmail.com> References: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> <345e55a50509061329131f6875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:29:18 -0500, Greg Willden wrote: >Sounds great to me! > >Othniel, Chuck and anyone else, > >Who is responsible for the website? >Is that person active on the mailing list? >- If not, why not? OTHNIEL is the primary person responsible for the website per his request. Chuck is very busy but still helps out with admin tasks on a time-available basis. There hasn't been any available lately. I don't know if anyone else is left who knows how to do it. Volunteers are ready to learn the existing systems, but all efforts have been ignored. No progress is being made on a fabled replacement server that will solve everyone's problems. Please show up at the SATLUG meeting to voice your opinions about this situation. Othniel often comes to the computer shows, so that may be another chance to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Good luck. --Don -- Sic Transit Ruby Tuesday From tokiko at tokiko.net Tue Sep 6 21:18:08 2005 From: tokiko at tokiko.net (tokiko@tokiko.net) Date: Tue Sep 6 19:46:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT :: Looking for IP KVM recommendations In-Reply-To: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431E3FD0.1080206@tokiko.net> > Does anyone have any experience and/or recommendations for a IP KVM? insteed of a full kvm, i use "console over serial port" connect a null modem cable (less than $5) from serial port on one computer with the serial port of another and run minicom using an array of usb to serial converters (less than $20) and some usb hubs, i can expand the device to control a couple hundred computers for *much* less than any kvm over ip hardware you can find today. -bryan From cjs226 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 22:15:23 2005 From: cjs226 at gmail.com (Clif Smith) Date: Tue Sep 6 20:50:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT :: Looking for IP KVM recommendations In-Reply-To: <431E3FD0.1080206@tokiko.net> References: <1ea252fb050905085143cb6c88@mail.gmail.com> <431E3FD0.1080206@tokiko.net> Message-ID: <1ea252fb05090619153e57c674@mail.gmail.com> Agreed, but I also have to account for Windows servers as well. I'd prefer to have 1 standard solution. On 9/6/05, tokiko@tokiko.net wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experience and/or recommendations for a IP KVM? > > insteed of a full kvm, i use "console over serial port" > > connect a null modem cable (less than $5) from serial port on one > computer with the serial port of another and run minicom > > using an array of usb to serial converters (less than $20) and some usb > hubs, i can expand the device to control a couple hundred computers for > *much* less than any kvm over ip hardware you can find today. > > > -bryan > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From dubose at texas.net Tue Sep 6 22:18:51 2005 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Tue Sep 6 20:53:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Refugee Support Follow-up One In-Reply-To: <431E3906.4000401@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <001a01c5b2ea$4a5a2400$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> <431E3906.4000401@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <431E4E0B.6060808@texas.net> > Albert W Lochli wrote: > >>I have made initial contact with ARC - they may need us. >> >>Who has time available to set up internet terminals and a supporting >>network and when?? After hours work may be useful. >> >>Hardware requirements are uncertain. You will need minimal tools and >>your warm fuzzy body present. >> >>Pending contact with Othneil and Chuck I will temporarily be a point >>of contact here >> >>biigal@satx.rr.com >>or 210-829-4274 >> >>Thanks all >> steve kolars wrote: > > Dr. Dubbs and I went to Kelly late this afternoon--what a mess. They > have several buildings, each with several rooms that have computers. > Many of the people do not know how to use a browser. All they are > looking for is help with *using* the computers. They are not looking > for anyone to do Linux stuff. Not a problem we can do that. Dr. Dubbs > is at Windsor Mall checking out what is going on there. He will let us > know more later. The only thing Linux like is we might put in a squid > server--porn has already become a problem. We have several servers > ready to go. If anyone has a lot of experience with squid let me know > at skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. > > Steve > The owner of RAckSpace is the owner of the building housing the folks at Windsor Mall...its actually the old Wards Building I think. AS I understand it, there is plenty of copper in the building. The Texas Baptist Men at Kelly have telephone but no internet and that would be helpful to send E-Mail to the food suppliers as well as back to the Disaster Operations Center in Dallas. Walt From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 6 23:31:10 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Tue Sep 6 22:05:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Helping SBC (N.O refugees support) Message-ID: <007f01c5b35c$97866e60$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> I have returned from the Kelley site. Here is what is needed: Personnel to baby sit equipment, ocassionally correcting standard operator errors and to assist (train) non-computer users in browser ing. All M$ software, good IBM thinkpads and some towers. Usually wireless (DSL). At Kelley USA Bldg 171 sign in with ARC and then go to Room 309 SBC volunteer room. Coordinator is Adam Cavosas cell: 355-5642 Bldg leader is PD White 394-1508 At Kelley USA Bldg 1536 sign in with Red Cross and then be directed to SBC room. Adam is coordinator here also. I missed visiting this site due to a "lost" car. (found it)! Both these building have a phonebank and an internet room and another open internet in the caferteria. About ten computers per area so we could use up to 10-12 at a time. At Levi Strauss and Windsor probably the same type set up. Adam also coordinates Levi Strauss and a Carolyne at 3934832 is the SBC building person. I do not yet have the data on Windsor Park Mall. What I seen there early on was a phone bank only. Can you give us two hours or so between 0800 and 1600?? You will be working with SBC personnel, SATLUGers and others. While there we were able to restore one down computer (MS-PC) and an SBC man reconnected a family that had been split in the evacuation. (Man was here, wife in Baton Rouge shelter, they say she fainted when she heard his voice,) Also we were able to get several others connected to family and other needs. Call BiigAl 829-4279 prior to 0700 or call to Adam to tell when you can be there. I will be taking an office setup computer there in the morning for paperwork use. BiigAl From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Sep 7 03:26:12 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed Sep 7 02:00:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Self Introduction: Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes Message-ID: <431E9614.80306@n-man.com> This is my fourth attempt to get this message through. If it works, it means that this list has trouble handling PGP/MIME messages. In friendly customs, I thought I'd take a moment to introduce myself, as I am new to this list. Who am I? My name is Patrick W. Barnes, and my nickname is "The N-Man". Don't ask why, I don't really know. I live in Amarillo, TX - in the panhandle. It's not too close to San Antonio - more on that later. I am a long-time Linux and open-source user. I currently contribute primarily to the Fedora Project. I work for CTL Technologies, a small technology company in Amarillo. We do just about everything computer-related, and we're very open-source friendly. For the curious: Work site: http://www.ctltechnologies.net/ My personal site: http://www.n-man.com/ - You can find plenty of contact information here. My page at Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PatrickBarnes - Pretty pointless Why am I here? My initial purpose for joining this list is because I am investigating the Linux community in San Antonio, as well as elsewhere in Texas. Although I have a personal interest, as I often run and participate in groups and have ties to San Antonio, my reason for my current research is the possibility of a FUDCon ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon ) in San Antonio. The only way I will push for this to happen is if I see enough interest and support to make such an event feasible. If anyone has any ideas or information they would like to contribute to this end, I'd love to hear it. The best way for this kind of event to happen is if it can join a larger event, such as an open-source or IT expo. Without such an event, there has to be a lot of interest from local groups, such as SATLUG. If you want to know more about efforts to market Fedora, including public events, please see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing for direction. While I'm here, I'd be happy to answer specific questions regarding Fedora, or at least point people in the right direction. If you'd like to get in touch with me outside of this list, please see the URLs I listed above for contact information. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com www.n-man.com -- From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Sep 7 03:46:44 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed Sep 7 02:21:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website Update In-Reply-To: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> References: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: <431E9AE4.2060802@n-man.com> I would like to recommend MoinMoin (a wiki) for the website. MoinMoin is written in Python, and both MoinMoin and Python have better security track records than their PHP counterparts. MoinMoin is what we currently use for the Fedora Project (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki) and it works very well. We make extensive use of it not only as a wiki, but as a CMS as well. For more information on MoinMoin, you can take a look at it in action at the above URL, or you can visit http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ for its homepage. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com www.n-man.com -- From tweeks at rackspace.com Wed Sep 7 12:27:38 2005 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Wed Sep 7 11:02:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] "Windsor World" hurricane victim efforts Message-ID: <200509071127.38250.tweeks@rackspace.com> FYI folks.. Rackspace is heavily involved with the whole Windsor World" efforts going on right now. If you are interested in joining forces, see the following resources: SA RedCross: http://www.saredcross.org/ Unfortunately... the Red Cross is using all paper forms.. :( so everyone has recommended using the United Way Volunteer Sign-up web-form here: http://www.unitedwaysatx.org/katrina/volunteer_add.cfm A Related Rackspace run WiKi for the "Windsor World" efforts: http://www.sasafelist.org/ and photos of Rackers in action: http://www.sasafelist.org/gallery/ Rackspace has a bunch of people out there setting up networking, computers, and serving. Please feel free to join in, but sign up through the United Way link. Tweeks -- Thomas Weeks, Lead Sys. Engineer The Managed Hosting Specialist(TM) Rackspace Managed Hosting http://www.rackspace.com/ From rickopper at rickopper.com Wed Sep 7 20:21:42 2005 From: rickopper at rickopper.com (Rick Opper) Date: Wed Sep 7 11:52:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] mplayer and mysanantonio.com Message-ID: <1126113703.2919.7.camel@linux> hi, I'm from San Antonio, but live in France for now. I'm using SuSE 9.3 with mplayer (installed just last month) and its plug-in for Firefox. I would like to be able to see the news from (or any other video content for that matter...) from the web. Sometimes I can watch the Toyota ad directly in the player, but that's it. Pretty much nothing else will play. Sometimes they start buffering and don't ever finish (mysanantonio.com, for example), and sometimes they buffer (or download) completely, but don't ever play. Can anyone help? thanks in advance, rick From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Sep 7 13:26:50 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Sep 7 12:01:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] mplayer and mysanantonio.com In-Reply-To: <1126113703.2919.7.camel@linux> Message-ID: <200509071726.j87HQowN017535@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Yep, I have the same problem on one of my computers and never figured out what's causing this. When I get enough energy to investigate it, I will make sure I have all the codecs installed and probably upgrade to the latest mplayer plugin. Perhaps there is a version mismatch. -Borries > > hi, > > I'm from San Antonio, but live in France for now. > > I'm using SuSE 9.3 with mplayer (installed just last month) and its > plug-in for Firefox. > > I would like to be able to see the news from (or any other video content > for that matter...) from the web. Sometimes I can watch the Toyota ad > directly in the player, but that's it. Pretty much nothing else will > play. Sometimes they start buffering and don't ever finish > (mysanantonio.com, for example), and sometimes they buffer (or download) > completely, but don't ever play. > > Can anyone help? > > thanks in advance, > > rick > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From maquaro at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 14:16:07 2005 From: maquaro at yahoo.com (Dale Offret Jr.) Date: Wed Sep 7 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] "Windsor World" hurricane victim efforts In-Reply-To: <200509071127.38250.tweeks@rackspace.com> References: <200509071127.38250.tweeks@rackspace.com> Message-ID: <431F2E67.1030905@yahoo.com> I downloaded and printed a RedCross volunteer app and gave it to the Rackspace person at Windsor World a half-hour ago and said that he is pretty much set for the moment and that he would pass the app along to the Windsor World -- Rackspace supervisor. > > >SA RedCross: > http://www.saredcross.org/ > >Unfortunately... the Red Cross is using all paper forms.. :( so >everyone has >recommended using the United Way Volunteer Sign-up web-form here: > http://www.unitedwaysatx.org/katrina/volunteer_add.cfm > I also filled myself out on United Way's site as well. > > >A Related Rackspace run WiKi for the "Windsor World" efforts: > http://www.sasafelist.org/ >and photos of Rackers in action: > http://www.sasafelist.org/gallery/ > >Rackspace has a bunch of people out there setting up networking, >computers, >and serving. Please feel free to join in, but sign up through the >United Way > I guess I missed the action, or am I wrong. I work across the street from Windsor and figure I would give my lunch hours for the next few months to help folks out. Tell me if I slipped through the cracks or who I should call. I don't have the best conversation skills so I can't really talk to refugees, but I can help on a computer. Dale Offret Jr. maquaro@yahoo.com From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Sep 7 15:30:14 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed Sep 7 14:05:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] mplayer and mysanantonio.com In-Reply-To: <1126113703.2919.7.camel@linux> References: <1126113703.2919.7.camel@linux> Message-ID: <431F3FC6.5000600@n-man.com> Rick Opper wrote: >hi, > >I'm from San Antonio, but live in France for now. > >I'm using SuSE 9.3 with mplayer (installed just last month) and its >plug-in for Firefox. > >I would like to be able to see the news from (or any other video content >for that matter...) from the web. Sometimes I can watch the Toyota ad >directly in the player, but that's it. Pretty much nothing else will >play. Sometimes they start buffering and don't ever finish >(mysanantonio.com, for example), and sometimes they buffer (or download) >completely, but don't ever play. > >Can anyone help? > >thanks in advance, > >rick >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > You might try removing the mplayer plugin and installing mozplugger instead. IME, mozplugger works a lot better that the mplayer plugin, and will provide a plugin interface for many additional formats (such as many document types) as well. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com www.n-man.com -- From pac at fortuitous.com Wed Sep 7 18:57:44 2005 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Wed Sep 7 17:32:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Warehouse needed for Medical supplies. Message-ID: <20050907225744.GB12280@mail.fortuitous.com> All, We believe we have secured about 30 pallets of medical supplies. We need a warehouse to store and ship the goods. Does anyone have access to a warehouse in the Austin area or otherwise we can use? If so, reply to me and cc Lori Hooks lhooks@tachc.org . We may also need some volunteers as well, but I don't know how many yet. I'll send another post once we know exactly what we need. Thanks again, -Phil Carinhas -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas | pac(at)fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc. | http://fortuitous.com | | Linux Networking & Security | Tel : 1-512-351-7783 | `--------------------------------------------------------' From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Wed Sep 7 21:19:14 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Wed Sep 7 19:54:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Katrina Support at Kelly USA Message-ID: All, I work for the Air Force and this came across our email this afternoon. Spencer Patterson is a recent retiree and now works for the contractor FEMA has hired to help manage the shelters. According to Patterson here is what they need: FROM SPENCER PATTERSON: You've probably heard conflicting stories about what is needed. While Salvation Army says they have all the clothing they need, I was just at the Red Cross Store at KellyUSA. There are still plenty of items in short supply. Problem is unless the items are dropped off directly to Red Cross, they aren't getting to the shelters. Here are some of the things people need: * small 28-30 waist men's underwear * XXL+ women's underwear * athletic shorts of all sizes * liquid soap (bar soap is unusable) * deodorant * denture adhesive * pillows * hair care products * reading glasses If you want to make sure the items get to the Red Cross, bring them to the KellyUSA shelter on Davy Crockett St--Warehouse Door #9. if you want to pass that on to the AFCEE crew, it's OK w/ me. spencer From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 19:55:35 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Sep 7 20:30:20 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050908015535.38885.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> I got a weird problem... I have a SuSE 9.2 Pro box here.. I wanted to upgrade to 9.3 Pro.. so I start up booting from CD1, go all the way through and it reboots after cd1. Well while its rebooting I dont remember if it booted from CD after the auto-reset or hd (I'm thinking CD)... well it never finished the complete install/upgrade.. So I'm trying to boot from CD again but it refuses..goes straight to the HD.. Was it designed in this way or did hardware fail? -Alex ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 20:05:13 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Sep 7 20:39:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <20050908015535.38885.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050908020513.79668.qmail@web54313.mail.yahoo.com> disregard..weird... left it powered off for a few minutes and now it autobooted from the cd just fine... lets hope I can restart from CD1..dont want to wipe the system clean.. This is my friends server..(does nothing right now). I installed 9.2 and figured I'd put 9.3 as a test to see how it would go. If it went fine I'd do my personal server..kinda worried that it may get hosed. LOL. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From afcasta at texas.net Wed Sep 7 23:22:21 2005 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Wed Sep 7 21:57:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <20050908015535.38885.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050908015535.38885.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1126149740.754.61.camel@shoe-vmsol> On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 20:55, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I got a weird problem... I have a SuSE 9.2 Pro box > here.. I wanted to upgrade to 9.3 Pro.. so I start up > booting from CD1, go all the way through and it > reboots after cd1. Well while its rebooting I dont > remember if it booted from CD after the auto-reset or > hd (I'm thinking CD)... well it never finished the > complete install/upgrade.. So I'm trying to boot from > CD again but it refuses..goes straight to the HD.. Was > it designed in this way or did hardware fail? > > -Alex The second boot should be from the HD because SuSE 9.3 has already installed the base operating system and the rest is gravy. FWIW, the Solaris 10 CD's do the same thing. I don't know about the SuSE 9.2 version, though, because I bought the box set and installed from DVD. Al Castanoli From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 21:43:28 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Sep 7 22:18:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <1126149740.754.61.camel@shoe-vmsol> Message-ID: <20050908034328.68253.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> LOL..then I got a problem... it boots up alright but I get errors in Gnome. No biggie, its a new server..so I reboot, load up CD1 and go through setting up a new install, and under software it basically says there is no media in cdrom.. that doesnt make sense... I just updated it but now it doesnt work. --- Al Castanoli wrote: > The second boot should be from the HD because SuSE > 9.3 has already > installed the base operating system and the rest is > gravy. FWIW, the > Solaris 10 CD's do the same thing. I don't know > about the SuSE 9.2 > version, though, because I bought the box set and > installed from DVD. > > Al Castanoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 01:06:03 2005 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (ron e) Date: Wed Sep 7 23:40:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] fedora + squid as a transparent proxy Message-ID: Greetings, I am new to the list and a linux fanatic. I've been using linux since RedHat 8 when my MCSE instructor mentioned something about an inferior OS name Linux. Anyhow, I'm am trying to run Squid on a Fedora 4 box and I keep running into some problems. Squid setup: - NCSA for authentication - httpd_accel_host virtual - httpd_accel_port 80 - httpd_accel_with_proxy on - httpd_accel_uses_host_header on Fedora: - iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 - iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 3128 - iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -o eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 - iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -i eth0 -p tcp --sport 80 - iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -o eth1 -p tcp --sport 80 The only way to get the proxy to work is to mannually enter the proxy address and port 3128 into the broswer. This will only work with FireFox and not on IE. This isn't so transparent. Any suggestions or tips? Also, I'm not sure if Squid is exactly what I need. I would like to force anyone trying to access the Internet to request a userID and pssWD. Once authenticated I'd like to capture the IP from the user and restrict access to only that IP. I'd also like the ability to limit a userID for Internet access to x amount of PC's. Access should be unrestricted as far as content and ports are concerned. Most of our clients are corporate users that access their VPN. Other times we have done IP to IP video conferencing. The current method for controlling Internet is disconnecting and reconnecting at a patch bay that is mounted 20 feet up. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From solinym at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 02:46:28 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Sep 8 01:21:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] fedora + squid as a transparent proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should be aware that many proxies simply don't work with certain kinds of HTTP requests. I think squid is pretty robust, but you might run into issues with streaming media. You also want to disable all the anonymizing features and any filtering that squid might do on content. And squid won't help with non-web type things like IPSec VPNs, and videoconferencing. Other options are: 1) A managed switch, and you enable or disable the ports in software. 2) You limit access to machines that authenticate via 802.1x and you set the computer up to supplicate only if a valid user/pass is entered at the application level, and so people can only use your computers. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Thu Sep 8 09:53:22 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Thu Sep 8 08:26:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FW: Latest information on tech resource needs at the SA shelters.. Message-ID: <200509081325.j88DPvf27538@alamo.satlug.org> Al, Can you give Gretchen a heads up on what is currently going on... Dean -----Original Message----- From: Gretchen Glasscock [mailto:gretcheng@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:20 PM To: dean.mccall@nvision2020.com Subject: Re: Latest information on tech resource needs at the SA shelters.. Dean, In the wake of Katrina my company, along with a number of associations, publishers, and chambers of commerce throughout the country have put up a FREE service -http://www.katrinajobrelief.com/ to help connect job seekers to new employment opportunities, whether they be full-time, part-time, or temporary; whether they be in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, or elsewhere. The minister of my church, Madison Square Presbyterian has written to ask me if there any way people who don't have computer skills can use this? Can you please fill me in on whether all the shelters have computers and techs to help non-tech people use them? Or is there anyway volunteer techs or students can help evacuees access this job board and search for appropriate jobs? Thanks for any info you can provide, Gretchen Glasscock, Pres/CEO AdvancingWomen.com http://advancingwomen.com 210-822-8087 wrote: > Salsa.Net, TASA, Alamo PC and all.. > > > > > > As of this morning I spoke with the SBC lead on the > relief efforts and here > is what is needed: > > > > AMD has donated 50 pc but we need monitors for > them.we have a call in to the > owner Altex I'll let you know what I can get > > > > IBM donated 50 laptops unfortunately the touch pads > are not being utilized > by a lot of the survivors so I was asked to come up > with 50 USB mice that > could be connected to the computers instead.. > > > > Also the people manning the stations at Windsor at > some of the locations > need relief.people who are able to go and help with > showing people how to > use computers are welcome. Also a basic knowledge > of computer > troubleshooting is needed but not required.as some > of the computers go down > and they stay down until someone who knows how to > fix it comes along. IF > anyone would like to volunteer I would ask that you > let me know so that I > can coordinate with our leads at each location. > > > > Lastly, I was asked if it was possible to put up a > website for the SA effort > with basic information and directions/maps to the > different locations.if > anyone would like to take that on let me know and I > will get you the > information that needs to go on in. I am willing to > donate my server for > hosting.. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Dean McCall > President/ CEO > > Salsa.Net > www.Salsa.net > 210.422.9255 > > > > From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Thu Sep 8 09:59:52 2005 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Thu Sep 8 08:32:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] More info... Message-ID: <200509081332.j88DWRf27574@alamo.satlug.org> http://www.ymcasatx.org/katrinainfo.pdf http://www.ymcasatx.org/katrina-relief.asp Yip, jb From sexton at idxwebservices.com Thu Sep 8 10:28:36 2005 From: sexton at idxwebservices.com (Art Sexton) Date: Thu Sep 8 09:03:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Message-ID: <1126189716.b4646c7b6e5e8@www.idxwebservices.com> Thought you all might find this interesting... COURT DOCUMENTS: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Vowed to "KILL" Google News Published: September 2, 2005, 1:07 PM PDT Reprinted From CNET News.com - Written by Ina Fried ----- ---- --- -- - - Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer vowed to "kill" Google in an expletitive-laced, chair-throwing tirade when a senior engineer told him he was leaving the company to go work for Google, the engineer claimed in court documents made public on Friday. In a sworn statement made public Friday, Mark Lucovsky, another Microsoft senior engineer who left for Google in November 2004, recounted Ballmer's angry reaction when Lucovsky told Ballmer he was going to work for the search engine company. "At some point in the conversation, Mr. Ballmer said: 'Just tell me it's not Google,'"Lucovosky said in his statement. Lucovosky replied that he was joining Google. "At that point, Mr. Ballmer picked up a chair and threw it across the room hitting a table in his office," Lucovosky recounted, adding that Ballmer then launched into a tirade about Google CEO Eric Schmidt. "I'm going to f***ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to f***ing kill Google." Schmidt previously worked for Sun Microsystems and was the CEO of Novell. -- Art Sexton ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From mark at mccoyfam.net Thu Sep 8 10:35:31 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Thu Sep 8 09:10:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] In-Reply-To: <1126189716.b4646c7b6e5e8@www.idxwebservices.com> References: <1126189716.b4646c7b6e5e8@www.idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: <200509080935.31646.mark@mccoyfam.net> On Thursday 08 September 2005 09:28 am, Art Sexton wrote: > Thought you all might find this interesting... > > > > COURT DOCUMENTS: > Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Vowed to "KILL" Google > > News Published: September 2, 2005, 1:07 PM PDT > Reprinted From CNET News.com - Written by Ina Fried That was great. Just shows how different the "public" face of MS is from the real face. Also shows just how much even MS is losing people to google. I really hope google keeps up its "not evil" standards outlined in its "ten things" list ( http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/tenthings.html ). -- Mark D. McCoy "There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." From eli at then7.com Thu Sep 8 11:18:37 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Thu Sep 8 09:55:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] In-Reply-To: <1126189716.b4646c7b6e5e8@www.idxwebservices.com> References: <1126189716.b4646c7b6e5e8@www.idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: <1097.208.191.193.29.1126192717.squirrel@208.191.193.29> A video would be priceless (and of course soon edited and put to music) :-) ~e > Thought you all might find this interesting... > > > > COURT DOCUMENTS: > Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Vowed to "KILL" Google > > News Published: September 2, 2005, 1:07 PM PDT > Reprinted From CNET News.com - Written by Ina Fried > > > ----- ---- --- -- - - > Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer vowed to "kill" Google in an > expletitive-laced, chair-throwing tirade when a senior > engineer told him he was leaving the company to go work > for Google, the engineer claimed in court documents made > public on Friday. > > In a sworn statement made public Friday, Mark Lucovsky, > another Microsoft senior engineer who left for Google in > November 2004, recounted Ballmer's angry reaction when > Lucovsky told Ballmer he was going to work for the search > engine company. > > "At some point in the conversation, Mr. Ballmer said: > 'Just tell me it's not Google,'"Lucovosky said in his > statement. Lucovosky replied that he was joining Google. > > "At that point, Mr. Ballmer picked up a chair and threw it > across the room hitting a table in his office," Lucovosky > recounted, adding that Ballmer then launched into a tirade > about Google CEO Eric Schmidt. "I'm going to f***ing bury > that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. > I'm going to f***ing kill Google." Schmidt previously > worked for Sun Microsystems and was the CEO of Novell. > > > > > -- > Art Sexton > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Sep 8 13:37:00 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Sep 8 12:11:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] In-Reply-To: <1126189716.b4646c7b6e5e8@www.idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: <200509081737.j88Hb04U003216@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Thought you all might find this interesting... Actually, I find it pretty funny. I think M$ is starting to feel really threatened, especially since Massachussetts decided to go open source on the document format and Brazil told them to go home, they were switching to Linux, and similar activities all over Europe. They are worried that their monopoly is going down the tube. From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:48:31 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Thu Sep 8 12:23:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] IBM Linux Docs Message-ID: <7f70a80bb59458e87881f2d1092a950e@gmail.com> Hey guys. Long time lurker here, but I wanted to pass this along. IBM has recently posted a number of linux docs for LPI exam prep. I am sure most of you know the majority of this stuff, but who knows. Check them out at http://tinyurl.com/dlsmz . Cheers, Nathan Turnage Production Artist / Web Designer Anderson Marketing Group 210.223.6233 main 210.230.6771 direct From biigal at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 8 21:52:05 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Thu Sep 8 20:26:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] semi-TECH Help at Evacuation centers Message-ID: <00a001c5b4e1$14a42470$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> We can use anyone who can surf and dial long distance and check voicemail. Thanks, Adam 355-5642 ------------------------ The above is the need. We have had some working since Tuesday. We need em most at Levi-Strauss -- off 90 West of Kelly. There are signs. We need em at Kelly building 171. near the watertowewr We need em at Kelly bldg 1536 there are signs Yes, we need em at Windsor Park Mall also. What you do is sign in as a Red Cross volunteer - even take the Red Cross orientation but then rather than reporting to the Red Cross desk for assignment you go direct to the SBC area. (We pretend to be SBC employees for a few minutes.) In bldg 171 it is room 309. In building 1536 it is adjacent to the cafeteria in area A. I haven't been to Levi-Strauss but SBC has an office there. At Windsor Park Mall SBC and maybe Rackspace are involved. In any case call ADAM 355-5642 or P.D 394-1508 and tell them you are coming and for what interval you may be there . Hours open are 0800 - 2000. (Or BiigAl at 829-4274 but he has a Bridge thing going this week-end). Again thanks for any and all help. It is appreciated and will be a rewarding experience. BiigAl Al Lochli 829-4274 biigal@satx.rr.com PS: Wear a SATLUG shirt. From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Thu Sep 8 22:34:18 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Thu Sep 8 21:09:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Katrina Evacuee assistance Message-ID: Another request that came through the Air Force email system today Thanks to all volunteers who have done a great job. San Antonio is making a wonderful impression on the evacuees; we are showing that we are here to lift them up during their hour of need.? The need will not come to a screeching halt.? Please for those that are in the trenches with the evacuees please pace yourselves so you can continue your wonderful work and be there for your families.? Thanks to all who have donated food, clothing, money, toiletries and furniture to our evacuees.? Your generosity is greatly appreciated.? The Salvation Army and the main Family Support Center has received an abundance of clothing for our Keesler and Civilian evacuees. If you have donations ready to come in, please hold off till sorting and distribution take place and a request is given again.?As of yesterday, five centers have opened their doors in San Antonio to our evacuated neighboring states.? The need for volunteers is going to grow as more are brought in.? At Kelly we have two large facilities.? One (Bldg 171), is made up of yards and yards of office space, the other is a large warehouse (Bldg 1536).? The set-ups are very different.? Bldg 171 has the major players there in different offices, Medicare, Social Security, private hospitals, adult care needs, Parks and Recreations, Protective Services and so forth.? The other Bldg has a warehouse layout of designated area for the necessary services.? Bldg 1536 evacuees are being transported to Bldg 171 to receive other services.? Starting Monday, volunteers will be scare in the facilities throughout San Antonio.? Kelly USA is putting out a plea for help with anyone who can donate their time to helping out. For those who would like to work out of Bldg 1536 You do not need to be registered with Red Cross, you just need to sign in and wear a name tag they provide. These are some of the jobs that need volunteers to fill: -Welcomers: Individuals talking to evacuees and accessing needs and performing "active listening." -Post Office volunteers to help people fill out change of address forms -Cafeteria workers: keeping it clean and clearing tables Meals are served starting at ?? 0500 Breakfast ??????? ??????? ??????? ??????? 1130 Lunch ??????? ??????? ??????? ??????? 1700 Dinner -FEMA needing computer literate volunteers to register evacuees into systems so they can exist and receive house repairs/ replacement services.? Not immediately but soon. They were overwhelmed with volunteers this holiday weekend.? Jose-FEMA Rep (Please call the FSC at 925-3650 if you would like to be part of this one particular database of volunteers) -Librarians:???? Managing a library with sorting books and magazines and creating an area to look at books.? The area is currently in disarray. -Children's area volunteers- Need 4 volunteers per shift to play with children and keep them occupied/ The area is very close to an exit and accountability is crucial, possibly a check in-out for parents is needed.? Items still needed in area are : table coverings, mats and rugs. Need janitor service to keep the floors and facility swept and clean, floors getting very dirty and sticky and trash needs to be taken out -Makeshift shopping area workers- (Daisy/ Nancy) need to keep the clothes neat so that evacuees can find what they need with a sense of dignity.? Constant supervision and assistance is needed -Storage Runners- (Mark Applegate) Evacuees are requesting items from storage, need runners to seek out items and return them to living area -Logistics Coordinator and workers: Storage area needs to be set up closer to living areas:? Shelving units are coming in tomorrow morning and volunteers are needed to create a distribution center behind a makeshift counter space so evacuees can stand at the counter and ask for baby items, toiletries, linen, and other miscellaneous items.? Note: These are the needed clothes items as of 6PM Monday night:???????? men's underwear and socks Newsletter Writer: ???? (Chaplain Richard Smith) Need an individual willing to create flyers or newsletters to keep evacuees aware of services and programs being offered in the city and at the center.? Person needs to be willing to network with all people and have a computer and printer at their home. Note: ? Did not see a bulletin board created yet for missing individuals Entertainment Coordinator and Workers: (Chaplain Richard Smith)Adults are not engaged in any activities to keep them alert.? Create games such as bingo are needed for idle time Makeshift partisans are needed to set up privacy and children's' area for accountability and safety. ??????? People who want to volunteer need to just show up and get involved:? No training or even direction has been offered.? We just need to work independently.? Be ready to work and at times it can get very physical. ??????? Please wear tennis shoes or comfortable protective shoe wear and clothes you can get dirty in.? Please keep your valuables (purses and jewelry at home for your safety.) ??????? Remember where you parked, it can get confusing when you are out there. ??????? Evacuee needs change daily so please be flexible in their request for needs.? ??????? Chaplain Richard Smith with the Texas State Guard is a wonderful contact in Bldg 1536 and Chaplain Howard Anderson also with the State Guard is great and he is in Bldg 171. God Bless all who have made things just a bit easier for our weary visitors. From roypittman at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 8 22:56:43 2005 From: roypittman at sbcglobal.net (Roy Pittman) Date: Thu Sep 8 21:31:15 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] server OS upgrade question Message-ID: <4320F9EB.3000002@sbcglobal.net> I am preparing to change my fileserver OS from Redhat 9 to Fedora Core 4. I think I can do this without problems, but I recently hosed the hard drive on my workstation due to a simple error - lost data, lost face. I feel insecure and would welcome suggestions and warnings. All of the RH9 filesystem is on a small drive except for my data which is in /home which is on a separate drive and /home2 which is a mirror of /home and is also on its own drive. Here is the partition table: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 3.7G 787M 2.7G 23% / /dev/hda1 99M 9.2M 85M 10% /boot /dev/hde1 111G 28G 77G 27% /home /dev/hdg1 111G 30G 75G 29% /home2 none 62M 0 62M 0% /dev/shm and swap is on /dev/hda3. I want to do away with RH9 and do a fresh install of FC4 at runlevel 3. How can I be sure I don't destroy my data files? Thanks, Roy From rct at gherkin.frus.com Thu Sep 8 22:58:04 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Thu Sep 8 21:32:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] GNOME configuration question Message-ID: <20050909025804.9B993DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Probably should have asked here first, but I wanted to follow my own rule of doing some research on my own rather than bother someone else with a question I could have easily answered myself. Recently upgraded a laptop running Mandrake 10.0 to Mandriva LE2005 (Mandrake 10.2). After the upgrade, there was the usual breakage of things related to desktop environments, and I can't for the life of me figure out how to edit/modify the GNOME "main menu" in the panel. Reason for wanting to do so is, several items in the main menu ("Log Out", "Lock screen", and "Seach for Files...") no longer have icons associated with them. "gnome-panel" is looking for the icons in /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps according to the messages in ".xsession-errors". The menu editors I've stumbled into only allow me to access the menus off the main menu, i.e., I can't get to the main menu itself. Unable to find a way to edit the main menu, I thought maybe there might be a way to set an icon search path. So far, nothing down that road: the GNOME documentation suggests that the default search path should be sufficient to find the icons where they currently reside. (Yes, I verified that the icon files exist *somewhere* under /usr/share/pixmaps and/or /usr/share/icons). Any assistance someone could offer would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at coverstreet.com Fri Sep 9 01:51:59 2005 From: dave at coverstreet.com (Dave) Date: Thu Sep 8 23:26:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] GNOME configuration question In-Reply-To: <20050909025804.9B993DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20050909025804.9B993DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <1126241519.8181.26.camel@aku> On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 21:58 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > The menu editors I've stumbled into only allow me to access the menus > off the main menu, i.e., I can't get to the main menu itself. > > Unable to find a way to edit the main menu, I thought maybe there might > be a way to set an icon search path. So far, nothing down that road: > the GNOME documentation suggests that the default search path should be > sufficient to find the icons where they currently reside. (Yes, I > verified that the icon files exist *somewhere* under /usr/share/pixmaps > and/or /usr/share/icons). > > Any assistance someone could offer would be greatly appreciated! > Thanks! > I just had the same problem with my new install of Ubuntu. I don't know why, but it seems like there's no default Gnome menu editor anymore. I found a program called SMEG and it worked great for the little editing I did. In trying to find you a link for an RPM, I found this from fedorafaq.org: Q: How do I edit the menus in the panel? (Updated 25 July 2005) A: You can use a program called Simple Menu Editor For GNOME. 1. Go to the RPM download site for SMEG. 2. Click on the "pykdg" RPM to install it. (Choose the "Open With" option instead of the "Save to Disk" option.) 3. Click on the "smeg" RPM to install it.(Choose the "Open With" option instead of the "Save to Disk" option.) Now, under "System Tools" in the "Applications" menu, there will be an entry called "Smeg Menu Editor!" The link goes to: http://foolish.digitalinc.info/pakker/i386/ so hopefully that should work for you. HTH, -Dave From rickopper at rickopper.com Fri Sep 9 08:01:20 2005 From: rickopper at rickopper.com (Rick Opper) Date: Thu Sep 8 23:32:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <20050908034328.68253.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050908034328.68253.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1126242081.6979.16.camel@linux> If there's nothing important on the drive then just do a clean install. When the computer reboots LEAVE THE CD IN THE DRIVE (it should boot from the HD anyway though) - Yast will need it. It should go most of the way through the boot process and then look at the CD for the final setup stuff. On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 20:43 -0700, Alex Bartonek wrote: > LOL..then I got a problem... it boots up alright but I > get errors in Gnome. No biggie, its a new server..so > I reboot, load up CD1 and go through setting up a new > install, and under software it basically says there is > no media in cdrom.. that doesnt make sense... I just > updated it but now it doesnt work. > > --- Al Castanoli wrote: > > > The second boot should be from the HD because SuSE > > 9.3 has already > > installed the base operating system and the rest is > > gravy. FWIW, the > > Solaris 10 CD's do the same thing. I don't know > > about the SuSE 9.2 > > version, though, because I bought the box set and > > installed from DVD. > > > > Al Castanoli > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 9 07:03:30 2005 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Fri Sep 9 05:38:15 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] server OS upgrade question In-Reply-To: <4320F9EB.3000002@sbcglobal.net> References: <4320F9EB.3000002@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <43216C02.9070208@satx.rr.com> Roy Pittman wrote: > I am preparing to change my fileserver OS from Redhat 9 to Fedora Core > 4. I think I can do this without problems, but I recently hosed the > hard drive on my workstation due to a simple error - lost data, lost > face. I feel insecure and would welcome suggestions and warnings. > > All of the RH9 filesystem is on a small drive except for my data which > is in /home which is on a separate drive and /home2 which is a mirror > of /home and is also on its own drive. Here is the partition table: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda2 3.7G 787M 2.7G 23% / > /dev/hda1 99M 9.2M 85M 10% /boot > /dev/hde1 111G 28G 77G 27% /home > /dev/hdg1 111G 30G 75G 29% /home2 > none 62M 0 62M 0% /dev/shm > > and swap is on /dev/hda3. > > I want to do away with RH9 and do a fresh install of FC4 at runlevel > 3. How can I be sure I don't destroy my data files? > > Thanks, > Roy > The fact that you have /home and /home2 on separate partitions will help. When you do the install, you should be given the choice to keep your current partition setup, and also which of those partitions you want to reformat. It (the installer) will probably default to formatting / and /boot. Although I have only installed FC4 once at work, I am pretty certain I recall it working that way. Mitch From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Sep 9 07:15:41 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Sep 9 05:50:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] GNOME configuration question In-Reply-To: <1126241519.8181.26.camel@aku> "from Dave at Sep 9, 2005 00:51:59 am" Message-ID: <20050909111541.4FCD2DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Dave wrote: > I just had the same problem with my new install of Ubuntu. I don't know > why, but it seems like there's no default Gnome menu editor anymore. I > found a program called SMEG and it worked great for the little editing I > did. I'll give it a shot. Seems like the last time I ran into similar problems, I ultimately ended up having to punt and simply removed all of the gnome- related directories (saved state and such) under my home directory. Not really satisfactory because of all the effort subsequently required to get the desktop setup back to a useable/sane state. If someone has been down into the bowels of this beast and not lost their sanity in the process, I'd love to see a cook's tour of the kitchen... How is this sausage *really* made? :-) The object-management system (Bonobo, OAF, and friends) seems like overkill, but with all the XML under the hood, maybe not... "No user-serviceable parts inside" seems like an odd thing to encounter in the open-source world, and I'm not quite ready to start printing up the stickers. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 9 09:12:25 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Sep 9 07:49:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] server OS upgrade question In-Reply-To: <4320F9EB.3000002@sbcglobal.net> References: <4320F9EB.3000002@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1218.208.191.193.29.1126271545.squirrel@208.191.193.29> don't let the installer format hde1 or hdg1, which means DON'T use automatic partitioning. (should never use it, really) ~e > I am preparing to change my fileserver OS from Redhat 9 to Fedora Core > 4. I think I can do this without problems, but I recently hosed the > hard drive on my workstation due to a simple error - lost data, lost > face. I feel insecure and would welcome suggestions and warnings. > > All of the RH9 filesystem is on a small drive except for my data which > is in /home which is on a separate drive and /home2 which is a mirror of > /home and is also on its own drive. Here is the partition table: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda2 3.7G 787M 2.7G 23% / > /dev/hda1 99M 9.2M 85M 10% /boot > /dev/hde1 111G 28G 77G 27% /home > /dev/hdg1 111G 30G 75G 29% /home2 > none 62M 0 62M 0% /dev/shm > > and swap is on /dev/hda3. > > I want to do away with RH9 and do a fresh install of FC4 at runlevel 3. > How can I be sure I don't destroy my data files? > > Thanks, > Roy > > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 08:22:06 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Sep 9 08:56:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <1126242081.6979.16.camel@linux> Message-ID: <20050909142206.87142.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> well I read on the net that CD1 ISO could be bad so I redownloaded it except from SuSE this time.. it got alot farther except crapped out on CD4 just when it was done..What a nightmare. lol. So I am going to borrow my friends original SuSE 9.3 Pro cd's..maybe I have some problems with my iso images. -alex --- Rick Opper wrote: > If there's nothing important on the drive then just > do a clean install. > When the computer reboots LEAVE THE CD IN THE DRIVE > (it should boot from > the HD anyway though) - Yast will need it. It should > go most of the way > through the boot process and then look at the CD > for the final setup > stuff. > > On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 20:43 -0700, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > LOL..then I got a problem... it boots up alright > but I > > get errors in Gnome. No biggie, its a new > server..so > > I reboot, load up CD1 and go through setting up a > new > > install, and under software it basically says > there is > > no media in cdrom.. that doesnt make sense... I > just > > updated it but now it doesnt work. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From biigal at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 9 14:50:46 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Fri Sep 9 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC Message-ID: <001a01c5b56f$6414a8c0$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> A new requirement: We need a techie to support the ARC TI manager at each site. We hope to cover 0800-1700 or even 2000 hours daily. One for each site each day four or six or eight hour blocks as you can do. Levi Strauss Saturdau is covered Need help Sunday, Monday, Tuesday et al Kelly Bldg 1536 All times open Kelley Bldg 171 All times open I may be able to cover Tuesday and Wednesday Windsor Park Mall All times open. Call 829-4274 or email biigal@satx.rr.com with when and where you can cover. I will obtain who to report to information and coonfirm your times. Thanks BiigAl PS: the telephone and web surfer requirements still exist separately coordinated with SBC This is separate and probably more technical - setting up equipment, repairing et al So far I had to do a printer install and determine while a wifi was inop (M$ setup). From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Sep 9 15:02:31 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Sep 9 13:37:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC In-Reply-To: <001a01c5b56f$6414a8c0$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <001a01c5b56f$6414a8c0$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <1126292554.1410.345.camel@laptop> I'm stuck waiting on some Cisco parts prices right now, but put me down for Sunday at Windsor. And as soon as I pick up my son from school, I'll head over there to meet the person and see what he needs in support. Chuck On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 13:50, Albert W Lochli wrote: A new requirement: We need a techie to support the ARC TI manager at each site. We hope to cover 0800-1700 or even 2000 hours daily. One for each site each day four or six or eight hour blocks as you can do. Levi Strauss Saturdau is covered Need help Sunday, Monday, Tuesday et al Kelly Bldg 1536 All times open Kelley Bldg 171 All times open I may be able to cover Tuesday and Wednesday Windsor Park Mall All times open. Call 829-4274 or email biigal@satx.rr.com with when and where you can cover. I will obtain who to report to information and coonfirm your times. Thanks BiigAl PS: the telephone and web surfer requirements still exist separately coordinated with SBC This is separate and probably more technical - setting up equipment, repairing et al So far I had to do a printer install and determine while a wifi was inop (M$ setup). _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From J at JVPappas.net Fri Sep 9 16:21:07 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Sep 9 14:55:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] GNOME configuration question In-Reply-To: <20050909111541.4FCD2DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20050909111541.4FCD2DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <1126297267.26147.53.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> You guys will love this: There is no GUI editor for the GNOME panel menu anymore. The GNOME guys realize this is a problem, but here is the best tutorial on "Hacking the GNOME menu" that I have found. http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/15224.html I will try that "Smeg Menu Editor" also. Thanks! John On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 06:15 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > Dave wrote: > > I just had the same problem with my new install of Ubuntu. I don't know > > why, but it seems like there's no default Gnome menu editor anymore. I > > found a program called SMEG and it worked great for the little editing I > > did. > > I'll give it a shot. Seems like the last time I ran into similar problems, > I ultimately ended up having to punt and simply removed all of the gnome- > related directories (saved state and such) under my home directory. Not > really satisfactory because of all the effort subsequently required to get > the desktop setup back to a useable/sane state. > > If someone has been down into the bowels of this beast and not lost their > sanity in the process, I'd love to see a cook's tour of the kitchen... > How is this sausage *really* made? :-) The object-management system > (Bonobo, OAF, and friends) seems like overkill, but with all the XML > under the hood, maybe not... "No user-serviceable parts inside" seems > like an odd thing to encounter in the open-source world, and I'm not > quite ready to start printing up the stickers. > From mark at mccoyfam.net Fri Sep 9 16:56:13 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Fri Sep 9 15:30:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC In-Reply-To: <001a01c5b56f$6414a8c0$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <001a01c5b56f$6414a8c0$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <200509091556.14086.mark@mccoyfam.net> On Friday 09 September 2005 01:50 pm, Albert W Lochli wrote: > A new requirement: > > We need a techie to support the ARC TI manager at each site. > > We hope to cover 0800-1700 or even 2000 hours daily. > > One for each site each day four or six or eight hour blocks as you can do. > I am available all afternoon saturday and sunday, and probably all day monday. -- Mark D. McCoy "There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 17:03:56 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Sep 9 15:38:38 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FOR SALE! Message-ID: <869de84705090914033d6bae8c@mail.gmail.com> I'm screwed.. I need to sell my beloved ham radio in order to pay bills and buy groceries. It is an unmodified ICOM 706 Mk II G. It is about 3 years old (I forget how old it isexactly). It comes with the following: Heavy guage power cables with fuses seperation kit (mounting bracket for radio and head unit, cable for head unit) instruction manuals Hand strap original ICOM box with plastic goodness. Magnetic mount with a 2m/440 antenna on it DirecTV tripod with a quick disconnect for mounted antenna (below) Outbacker Antenna - field adjustable antenna. All the I would like to get at least $400 ($300 car payment :( ) (considering the radio alons was $800) but at this point I'll take buying food over being able to communicate over HF. FIRESTORM_v1 If you need any pics, more information, please let me know. From mark at mccoyfam.net Fri Sep 9 17:05:43 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Fri Sep 9 15:40:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] server OS upgrade question In-Reply-To: <1218.208.191.193.29.1126271545.squirrel@208.191.193.29> References: <4320F9EB.3000002@sbcglobal.net> <1218.208.191.193.29.1126271545.squirrel@208.191.193.29> Message-ID: <200509091605.43747.mark@mccoyfam.net> On Friday 09 September 2005 08:12 am, Eli wrote: > don't let the installer format hde1 or hdg1, which means DON'T use > automatic partitioning. (should never use it, really) In fact, you should tell the installer not to even mess with those disks at all, not even to mount as /home during the install. In this situation I would install into the existing partititon setup (sans /home and /home2), mess around with the system to make sure that I had everything working on it that I neded, and then mount those partitions as /home and /home2. You may have to mount them to temporary locations, and copy the new .gnome and .gconf (or .kde depending on your environment) directories from the /home dir on the /dev/hda2 partition before you mount your real /home dir, because there are enough changes between the desktops on 9 and FC4 to warrant it. If you are really paranoid about losing the /home data to the installer, you can even physically unplug the drives until after you get fully installed! -- Mark D. McCoy "There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." From mark at mccoyfam.net Fri Sep 9 17:09:38 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Fri Sep 9 15:44:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] GNOME configuration question In-Reply-To: <1126297267.26147.53.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <20050909111541.4FCD2DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <1126297267.26147.53.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <200509091609.38973.mark@mccoyfam.net> On Friday 09 September 2005 03:21 pm, John Pappas wrote: > You guys will love this: > > There is no GUI editor for the GNOME panel menu anymore. The GNOME guys > realize this is a problem, but here is the best tutorial on "Hacking the > GNOME menu" that I have found. > > http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/15224.html > > I will try that "Smeg Menu Editor" also. Smeg will be the default in 2.12. For a taste of 2.12 download the latest ubuntu colony CD (colony4 i think). There are a lot of little changes that really make sense. I /love/ the new way that the file manager works. So much better than the "spatial metaphor" that just doesn't seem to hold up in the real world. Of course, I've been grooving on KDE (and Archlinux) the last couple of weeks, so YMMV. -- Mark D. McCoy "There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." From mark at mccoyfam.net Fri Sep 9 17:12:23 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Fri Sep 9 15:47:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FOR SALE! In-Reply-To: <869de84705090914033d6bae8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de84705090914033d6bae8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509091612.23335.mark@mccoyfam.net> On Friday 09 September 2005 04:03 pm, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I'm screwed.. > > > I need to sell my beloved ham radio in order to pay bills and buy > groceries. I'm not a HAM, but a really good place to post free classified ads for stuff like this is on http://sanantonio.craigslist.com (and austin as well, I'm sure someone up their might drive down for such a goo deal!) -- Mark D. McCoy "There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Sep 9 18:28:04 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Sep 9 17:02:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC In-Reply-To: <001a01c5b56f$6414a8c0$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <001a01c5b56f$6414a8c0$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <1126304885.1096.370.camel@laptop> OK, I just got back from a long visit to the WIndsor Park Mall center. And they're OK there. I spoke to the SBC folks. And they have actual SBC people wearing SBC shirts helping people use the phones and PCs. So, that aspect is covered. It took a while, but I found the RedCross IT manager. She didn't know squat. She hadn't had to worry about it because the RackSpace people had taken care of everything. They built a small network of PCs, tied them to outgoing bandwidth, and have set up an on-line database for evacuee tracking. And in fact, the RackSpace people are still there. I met with and talked to Brett Elmendorf from RackSpace. He showed me that they have the IT technical needs of the RedCross covered with their personnel, so there isn't a need for technical people there. BUT -- there is a need for people to help the RedCross USE the network RackSpace has set up for them. Things like data entry putting in new people and tracking them. Helping people search the other evacuation center lists to put families back together (sorta like what BiigAl's been doing). The need is for a basic computer/Internet savvy person. Not a technical type person, but one who can do data entry and do searches to assist others. Brett mentioned they're OK there this evening, but he didn't know about this weekend or next week. I gave him my cell number and told him to call if they start running low on assistance. That way, I can put out the word on our list. Hey BiigAl -- Brett also wants to talk to you (or someone who knows what's going on over at Levi Strauss). They're supposed to be turning up a network and this on-line database live at Levi today. But while he sent a couple of network engineers over there -- he hadn't heard anything back from them. So, if anyone on the list has been helping at Levi Strauss -- shoot a message to me and I'll get you Brett's cell phone number. So, for those interested in volunteering, I just found out that the Windsor RedCross people told my wife that they need computer literate people. If anyone wants to help out at Windor Park Mall -- they need it in the RedCross operations center downstairs. Thanks for all your help everyone. SATLUG was known there and apparently -- also at Kelly. We're making a good showing and helping people in need. Chuck On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 13:50, Albert W Lochli wrote: A new requirement: We need a techie to support the ARC TI manager at each site. We hope to cover 0800-1700 or even 2000 hours daily. One for each site each day four or six or eight hour blocks as you can do. Levi Strauss Saturdau is covered Need help Sunday, Monday, Tuesday et al Kelly Bldg 1536 All times open Kelley Bldg 171 All times open I may be able to cover Tuesday and Wednesday Windsor Park Mall All times open. Call 829-4274 or email biigal@satx.rr.com with when and where you can cover. I will obtain who to report to information and coonfirm your times. Thanks BiigAl PS: the telephone and web surfer requirements still exist separately coordinated with SBC This is separate and probably more technical - setting up equipment, repairing et al So far I had to do a printer install and determine while a wifi was inop (M$ setup). _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From country at the-cia.net Fri Sep 9 19:33:56 2005 From: country at the-cia.net (country) Date: Fri Sep 9 18:08:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] FOR SALE! In-Reply-To: <200509091612.23335.mark@mccoyfam.net> References: <869de84705090914033d6bae8c@mail.gmail.com> <200509091612.23335.mark@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: <43221BE4.8050506@the-cia.net> Damn, I just had a guy in Radio Shack looking to buy one, and for the life of me, cannot remember who it was... Mark D. McCoy wrote: >On Friday 09 September 2005 04:03 pm, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > > >>I'm screwed.. >> >> >>I need to sell my beloved ham radio in order to pay bills and buy >>groceries. >> >> > >I'm not a HAM, but a really good place to post free classified ads for stuff >like this is on http://sanantonio.craigslist.com (and austin as well, I'm >sure someone up their might drive down for such a goo deal!) > > > From me at jchampion.com Fri Sep 9 22:07:02 2005 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Fri Sep 9 20:41:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC In-Reply-To: <1126304885.1096.370.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200509100141.j8A1fhf05292@alamo.satlug.org> Can someone please remind us what we should do before we jump in our cars and drive down there? Is there a form we need to fill out or some identification we need? Or can we just walk up and say "hi! I'm a geek and here to work on your system" :) -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:28 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC OK, I just got back from a long visit to the WIndsor Park Mall center. And they're OK there. I spoke to the SBC folks. And they have actual SBC people wearing SBC shirts helping people use the phones and PCs. So, that aspect is covered. It took a while, but I found the RedCross IT manager. She didn't know squat. She hadn't had to worry about it because the RackSpace people had taken care of everything. They built a small network of PCs, tied them to outgoing bandwidth, and have set up an on-line database for evacuee tracking. And in fact, the RackSpace people are still there. I met with and talked to Brett Elmendorf from RackSpace. He showed me that they have the IT technical needs of the RedCross covered with their personnel, so there isn't a need for technical people there. BUT -- there is a need for people to help the RedCross USE the network RackSpace has set up for them. Things like data entry putting in new people and tracking them. Helping people search the other evacuation center lists to put families back together (sorta like what BiigAl's been doing). The need is for a basic computer/Internet savvy person. Not a technical type person, but one who can do data entry and do searches to assist others. Brett mentioned they're OK there this evening, but he didn't know about this weekend or next week. I gave him my cell number and told him to call if they start running low on assistance. That way, I can put out the word on our list. Hey BiigAl -- Brett also wants to talk to you (or someone who knows what's going on over at Levi Strauss). They're supposed to be turning up a network and this on-line database live at Levi today. But while he sent a couple of network engineers over there -- he hadn't heard anything back from them. So, if anyone on the list has been helping at Levi Strauss -- shoot a message to me and I'll get you Brett's cell phone number. So, for those interested in volunteering, I just found out that the Windsor RedCross people told my wife that they need computer literate people. If anyone wants to help out at Windor Park Mall -- they need it in the RedCross operations center downstairs. Thanks for all your help everyone. SATLUG was known there and apparently -- also at Kelly. We're making a good showing and helping people in need. Chuck On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 13:50, Albert W Lochli wrote: A new requirement: We need a techie to support the ARC TI manager at each site. We hope to cover 0800-1700 or even 2000 hours daily. One for each site each day four or six or eight hour blocks as you can do. Levi Strauss Saturdau is covered Need help Sunday, Monday, Tuesday et al Kelly Bldg 1536 All times open Kelley Bldg 171 All times open I may be able to cover Tuesday and Wednesday Windsor Park Mall All times open. Call 829-4274 or email biigal@satx.rr.com with when and where you can cover. I will obtain who to report to information and coonfirm your times. Thanks BiigAl PS: the telephone and web surfer requirements still exist separately coordinated with SBC This is separate and probably more technical - setting up equipment, repairing et al So far I had to do a printer install and determine while a wifi was inop (M$ setup). _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 22:20:31 2005 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Fri Sep 9 20:53:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Evacuee Support In-Reply-To: <7u9rh1tv2htlhgebf0bnappoqjvl603d02@4ax.com> References: <000801c5b2e5$f0824010$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> <200509061336.j86DaeMS027067@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <7u9rh1tv2htlhgebf0bnappoqjvl603d02@4ax.com> Message-ID: <432234DF.7020603@gmail.com> I am glad to hear SATLUG members coming up with ideas on how to help the evacuees from Louisiana. On Sunday I spent 8 1/2 hours providing backup communications between the hanger at Kelly, the city's Emergency Operations Center (EOC) and the Regional Medical Ops Center (RMOC) at UTHSC. >From comments heard at the RMOC, there were concerns about loosing track of evacuees as well as potential difficulties contacting them if need be and they were housed in private individuals' homes. I believe there was also a question of some evacuees with criminal records and the potential liablility IF something should happen involving them. Jim Amateur Radio Operator.Whiskey Five Charlie Papa Alpha Don Wright wrote: > On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:36:40 -0500 (CDT), Borries Demeler > wrote: > > >>As have many others, we have advertised free living space for a family of >>four in our house on the various lists (Craigs list, moveon.org, etc). >>Yet, we have not had a single response. My opinion is that is due to lack >>of internet access at the relief centers. > > > Based on what I hear from news coverage, ARC is actively opposing all > efforts of private individuals to house evacuees. This is due to > lawyer-phobia, the paralyzing fear of lawsuits. In a government-provided > facility, the landsharks get to fight the government. So the ARC has > adopted an unstated policy that all evacuees are wards of the state - to > be kept in relocation camps until Great White Father sets up another > reservation. > > The Internet access is there, with rows and rows of laptops. But I > wouldn't be surprised if the available sites were filtered. --Don From chuck at tetlow.net Sat Sep 10 00:56:08 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Sep 9 23:30:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Red Cross IT Volunteer Support] Message-ID: <1126328169.1410.389.camel@laptop> Hi SATLUG volunteers, I received the message below from Adam Cavazos who is working with the Red Cross at Kelly. As you can see, they need someone with some technical skills to perform Network Support at each location. I'm hoping we can provide the assistance they need. Oh, and I let him know that Windsor is already set with the Rackspace guys. I'm forwarding this out directly to the list as I'm already booked with another volunteer organization ALL day tomorrow. If you can pitch in and help a bit, even a couple of hours, please contact Adam direct at his phone number below. Or if there is sufficient lead time, send him an e-mail at CAVAZOS III, ADAM (SWBT) . He'll let you know where and when they need assistance the most. And if anyone else makes it out Sunday, I'll see you there. Chuck --------------------------------------------- Hi Chuck, The Red Cross has needs for some level of Network IT support at each of their Shelters, separate from the simple phone bank and Internet searching sections at the shelters. Red Cross needs: Hours of operation from 8:30am-5pm or so, M-Su at each location: 2 people @ Kelly USA 1 person @Levi Strauss 1 person @Windsor Park. Biig Al asked me to send you the spreadsheet attached and ask if you can blast it out to the SATLUG organization. Biig Al has a funeral to attend this weekend. If you could have them email you back the spreadsheet so SATLUG you can organize the times and days of availability of their volunteers. Perhaps you can get people to committ to 2-3 hour blocks of time here and there. Once you have the SATLUG volunteer list combined, then email me one spreadsheet. The Red Cross asked if I could reach out to organizations to assist Red Cross for the next 2 weeks. Thanks for your efforts to date. Thanks, Adam Cavazos SBC Southwest 210-633-5617 From mark at mccoyfam.net Sat Sep 10 08:14:42 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Sat Sep 10 02:14:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Suggestions on disposing of old/broken monitors Message-ID: <200508100238.56726.mark@mccoyfam.net> I have a couple of monitors that I need to get rid of. My beloved DEC 21" monster finally died after about 6 years (it seems to power up, but no picture, not even the OSD to adjust the picture. I also have a KDS 17" monitor that I've had for a while (I got it second hand from a company I used to work for), and it seems to just need a new power supply (the tube worked fine the last time it actually powered up). I was going to get the power supply replaced on the KDS, but with 17" monitors for $25 at the Goodwill computer store, that seems like a waste of money. I would like to dispose of these monitors properly. Does anyone know where I could take these? I also have a couple of old systems that work, but they are just very outdated. If anyone wants a pentium 233 for a router or to serve a small (static) website you can have it! It has a video card (2MB) and I'll throw in a DEC 10mbit ethernet card, but I have no memory for it (EDO DIMM slots). -- Mark D. McCoy "There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." From gandor at sga.dyndns.org Sat Sep 10 04:13:41 2005 From: gandor at sga.dyndns.org (Gandor) Date: Sat Sep 10 02:48:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] belkin wireless drivers Message-ID: <4123346ef72c7953e3b21eacc199fa6b@sga.dyndns.org> anyone know of anyone working on driver for belkin wireless g+ nic cards ? From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 09:05:26 2005 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sat Sep 10 07:40:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SOLD! Thank you. Message-ID: <869de8470509100605328382e0@mail.gmail.com> The ICOM radio that I offered for sale has been sold. Thank you. I apologize that I was unable to respond after I left for work. I was counting on the fact that the wireless internet at home would work, Sadly it did not and it left me unconnected until I showed up at work. FIRESTORM.v1 From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 09:36:08 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Sat Sep 10 08:10:48 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SOLD! Thank you. In-Reply-To: <869de8470509100605328382e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470509100605328382e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/10/05, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > > The ICOM radio that I offered for sale has been sold. > > > Thank you. I apologize that I was unable to respond after I left for work. > I > was counting on the fact that > the wireless internet at home would work, Sadly it did not and it left me > unconnected until I showed up at work. My friend Steve bought it. Directly after you answered MY email (your original posting was 4:03pm, I replied directly to you, you replied to me at 4:13pm) and I thought we had a deal. An hour later, he's telling me y'all are talking on the phone, and I never got a call, or the courtesy of an email reply. This is -not- how to do business. Everyone else should beware. -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From biigal at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 10 09:47:20 2005 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Sat Sep 10 08:21:52 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC References: <200509100141.j8A1fhf05292@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <00b401c5b60e$2ab6af20$6600a8c0@BIIGAL> Contact: Biigal 829-4274 in Saturday; out Sunday & Monday Chuck 9678712 - out Saturday; avail Sunday and if we are unreachable then: Brent (rackspace) 573-5689 and if necessary Adam (SBC) 355-5642 BiigAl One signs in as a RedCross volunteer then reports as directed to whom we send you to -- it may be the IT manager it may be the SBC guy in house. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Champion" To: "'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC > Can someone please remind us what we should do before we jump in our cars > and drive down there? > > Is there a form we need to fill out or some identification we need? Or can > we just walk up and say "hi! I'm a geek and here to work on your system" > > :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf > Of Chuck > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:28 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Tech Support to ARC > > OK, > > I just got back from a long visit to the WIndsor Park Mall center. And > they're OK there. > > I spoke to the SBC folks. And they have actual SBC people wearing SBC > shirts helping people use the phones and PCs. So, that aspect is covered. > > It took a while, but I found the RedCross IT manager. She didn't know > squat. She hadn't had to worry about it because the RackSpace people had > taken care of everything. They built a small network of PCs, tied them to > outgoing bandwidth, and have set up an on-line database for evacuee > tracking. > > And in fact, the RackSpace people are still there. I met with and talked > to > Brett Elmendorf from RackSpace. He showed me that they have the IT > technical needs of the RedCross covered with their personnel, so there > isn't > a need for technical people there. > > BUT -- there is a need for people to help the RedCross USE the network > RackSpace has set up for them. Things like data entry putting in new > people > and tracking them. Helping people search the other evacuation center > lists > to put families back together (sorta like what BiigAl's been doing). The > need is for a basic computer/Internet savvy person. > Not a technical type person, but one who can do data entry and do searches > to assist others. Brett mentioned they're OK there this evening, but he > didn't know about this weekend or next week. > > I gave him my cell number and told him to call if they start running low > on > assistance. That way, I can put out the word on our list. > > Hey BiigAl -- Brett also wants to talk to you (or someone who knows what's > going on over at Levi Strauss). They're supposed to be turning up a > network > and this on-line database live at Levi today. But while he sent a couple > of > network engineers over there -- he hadn't heard anything back from them. > So, if anyone on the list has been helping at Levi Strauss -- shoot a > message to me and I'll get you Brett's cell phone number. > > So, for those interested in volunteering, I just found out that the > Windsor > RedCross people told my wife that they need computer literate people. If > anyone wants to help out at Windor Park Mall -- they need it in the > RedCross > operations center downstairs. > > Thanks for all your help everyone. SATLUG was known there and > apparently -- > also at Kelly. We're making a good showing and helping people in need. > > > Chuck > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 13:50, Albert W Lochli wrote: > > A new requirement: > > We need a techie to support the ARC TI manager at each site. > > We hope to cover 0800-1700 or even 2000 hours daily. > > One for each site each day four or six or eight hour blocks as you can > do. > > Levi Strauss > Saturdau is covered > Need help Sunday, Monday, Tuesday et al > > Kelly Bldg 1536 > All times open > > Kelley Bldg 171 > All times open > I may be able to cover Tuesday and Wednesday > > Windsor Park Mall > All times open. > > Call 829-4274 or email biigal@satx.rr.com with when and where you can > cover. > I will obtain who to report to information and coonfirm your times. > > > Thanks > BiigAl > > PS: the telephone and web surfer requirements still exist separately > coordinated with SBC > This is separate and probably more technical - setting up equipment, > repairing et al > So far I had to do a printer install and determine while a wifi was > inop > (M$ > setup). > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 13:51:05 2005 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Sat Sep 10 12:25:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Cardbus Ethernet Adapters Message-ID: <99af515b050910105142c6c57@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have a suggestion for a supported Ethernet Cardbus adapter? Or a have a personal recommendation on one? I am reviving an older laptop for my sister and it's built in Ethernet fried some time ago. Thanks in advance Caleb From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 14:06:10 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Sat Sep 10 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] rackspace Message-ID: Tweeks and crew must be working their ass off... "If you are reading this then you are now on the new Server. Because of the massive amount of traffic this site has seen (over 8 million hits in 6 days) we have been forced twice now to find a new home for this site. Hopefully now we have found a place that can handle the amount of traffic that is coming here (www.rackspace.com ). There may be some missing items that were lost in the transfer. We apologize for that if it happens." http://www.hurricanekatrinasurvivors.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=1 good job, guys! -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From pac at fortuitous.com Sat Sep 10 14:06:49 2005 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Sat Sep 10 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (tachc.org) Doctors Needed at Local Clinics. Message-ID: <20050910180649.GA27144@mail.fortuitous.com> This is OT, but I know the group has good contacts in the local area, and in particular to the local medical community. Lori Hooks from http://tachc.org is looking for a few Pediatric and Family doctors to help clinics in San Antonio and Houston. If you know any Texas licenced docs that can help please have them call Lori or Daniel at 512-329-5959 or email Lori at lhooks@tachc.org . Please help if you can. Thanks again, -Phil .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From mark at mccoyfam.net Sat Sep 10 15:09:46 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Sat Sep 10 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Cardbus Ethernet Adapters In-Reply-To: <99af515b050910105142c6c57@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b050910105142c6c57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509101409.46390.mark@mccoyfam.net> On Saturday 10 September 2005 12:51, Caleb Wylie wrote: > Anyone have a suggestion for a supported Ethernet Cardbus adapter? Or a > have a personal recommendation on one? I am reviving an older laptop for my > sister and it's built in Ethernet fried some time ago. > I used one a few years ago. It was a Xircom 10/100 with a built-in modem. It was a dual slot adapter (used one slot, but was so wide it took up the other slot, too). It came with my old Dell Laptop. I'll have to look around to see if I can find it. You could also search on ebay for something like that. I would imagine that most all cardbus ethernet adapters would be well supported. I also used a single-slot Linksys cardbus adapter that used a little dongle to attach the network cable. Alternatively, the USB Ethernet adapters out there are mostly all supported in Linux. I have a Linksys 10/100 USB adapter that is rock-solid. -- Mark D. McCoy "There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't." From radvany at texas.net Sat Sep 10 15:16:10 2005 From: radvany at texas.net (Martin Radvany) Date: Sat Sep 10 13:51:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop repair Message-ID: <1126379770.23288.5.camel@monarch.radvany.home> A friend has compaq laptop that needs repair, I believe it is the power switch - any recommendations? I recall taking my laptop to a place by west ave and NW military hwy, but that was about 5 years ago. Marty From jgentil at sebistar.net Sat Sep 10 15:56:26 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Sat Sep 10 14:31:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SOLD! Thank you. In-Reply-To: References: <869de8470509100605328382e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509101456.26723.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Saturday 10 September 2005 08:36 am, Geoff wrote: > > Thank you. I apologize that I was unable to respond after I left for > > work. I > > was counting on the fact that > > the wireless internet at home would work, Sadly it did not and it > > left me unconnected until I showed up at work. > > My friend Steve bought it. Directly after you answered MY email (your > original posting was 4:03pm, I replied directly to you, you replied to > me at 4:13pm) and I thought we had a deal. An hour later, he's telling > me y'all are talking on the phone, and I never got a call, or the > courtesy of an email reply. > > This is -not- how to do business. > > Everyone else should beware. I don't really see what the big deal is. He apologized for not having email connectivity after he left work as he had counted on. Your friend got the deal done. Maybe he could have given you a courtesy note or something, but then again, if I were unemployed and broke and selling off all of my beloved ham gear, I'd probably have a lot more on my mind than trying to remember to leave a thank-you notice on everyone's door who emailed. It certainly didn't warrent flaming the poor guy on a public mailing list. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil KC9CAF PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 16:52:30 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Sat Sep 10 15:27:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop repair In-Reply-To: <1126379770.23288.5.camel@monarch.radvany.home> Message-ID: I think the place you are thinking about is Micro-Fix Micro-Fix 2241 NW Military Hwy # 302, San Antonio, TX 210-525-1902 Roy ----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Martin Radvany Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:16 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop repair A friend has compaq laptop that needs repair, I believe it is the power switch - any recommendations? I recall taking my laptop to a place by west ave and NW military hwy, but that was about 5 years ago. Marty _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From vern.davis at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 17:05:46 2005 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Sat Sep 10 15:40:26 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SOLD! Thank you. In-Reply-To: <200509101456.26723.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <869de8470509100605328382e0@mail.gmail.com> <200509101456.26723.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <5ef09f10509101405400ae9c3@mail.gmail.com> On 9/10/05, Jon-Pierre Gentil wrote: > I don't really see what the big deal is. He apologized for not having > email connectivity after he left work as he had counted on. Your friend > got the deal done. Maybe he could have given you a courtesy note or > something, but then again, if I were unemployed and broke and selling off > all of my beloved ham gear, I'd probably have a lot more on my mind than > trying to remember to leave a thank-you notice on everyone's door who > emailed. It certainly didn't warrent flaming the poor guy on a public > mailing list. > > -- > _________________________________________________________ > > Jon-Pierre Gentil KC9CAF PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 > jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net > "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." > _________________________________________________________ It's terrible to have to sell Ham Gear in order to eat! And I doubt firestorm_vx could afford to wait until next saturday for a down payment! From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 17:32:26 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sat Sep 10 16:06:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple Message-ID: <432350EA.9020009@gmail.com> Boz, When would be a good time to meet with you tomorrow to get that computer from you ? Also if you could get me the information for getting another I would appeciate that also. For the OLLU contact Dr Henery David Crockett he is he advisor and chair i believe for the OLLU Security program. his website is http://linus.ollusa.edu/index.htm not very intresting or much on it. I will try and look up his number for Steve though Zeb From chuck at tetlow.net Sun Sep 11 01:18:03 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Sat Sep 10 23:52:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: RE: Red Cross IT Volunteer Support] Message-ID: <1126415885.1160.413.camel@laptop> Hi guys, Here are the latest needs from Adam who is coordinating the volunteers. I'll be at Kelly in the morning to help out at the Red Cross IT Helpdesk. Looks like the other needs they have are for a couple helpers in the Kelly SBC area and some people at Levi Strauss. If you can volunteer a few hours -- below are the places to go and the people to contact. Please help if you can. Chuck -----Forwarded Message----- From: "CAVAZOS III, ADAM (SWBT)" To: Chuck Subject: RE: Red Cross IT Volunteer Support Date: 10 Sep 2005 11:14:12 -0500 Understood. We need 1 person at Kelly USA at SBC Internet & Phone Bank Report to Suite 309 (Barbara Baldwin, Doug Heath or Sergio Contreras SBC on-site supervisors) Sunday 8:00am - noon 1 person Sunday noon - 4pm 2 people Sunday 4pm - 8pm 1 Red Cross IT Helpdesk type to report to Red Cross HQ Suite 800 (Eugene Bentz, Onsite Red Cross Staff Supervisor)at Kelly USA Sunday between hours 8am-1pm. Levi Strauss - SBC Internet & Phone Bank (Stop by Kelly USA suite 309 to check in w/SBC supervisors, Barbara, Doug or Sergio) 4 people Sunday 8:00-noon 1 person Sunday noon-4pm 1 Red Cross IT Helpdesk type to Levi Strauss Red Cross HQ onsite (Supervisor unknown at this point). 8am-5pm (Hours as we can fill them) Thanks, Chuck From jftitan at satx.rr.com Sun Sep 11 01:28:25 2005 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes) Date: Sun Sep 11 00:03:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200509110528.j8B5SYRa003375@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> I can do out of warranty laptop repairs on Compaqz. All I charge is the cost of the replacement part, and buy me lunch. (tipping is allowed) If it's a DC power jack that needs to be replaced I could already have the part instock. Otherwise just let us(as in everyone including I) know what model compaq you have. Email me off list if this needs to be done immediately. Joseph.forbes@gmail.com Sincerely, Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Consultant SwapNEtwork eXtreme, LLC -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Wrkwatchr Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:53 PM To: 'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List' Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Laptop repair I think the place you are thinking about is Micro-Fix Micro-Fix 2241 NW Military Hwy # 302, San Antonio, TX 210-525-1902 Roy ----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Martin Radvany Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:16 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop repair A friend has compaq laptop that needs repair, I believe it is the power switch - any recommendations? I recall taking my laptop to a place by west ave and NW military hwy, but that was about 5 years ago. Marty _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 14:14:43 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 11 14:49:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <1126149740.754.61.camel@shoe-vmsol> Message-ID: <20050911201444.80084.qmail@web54303.mail.yahoo.com> ok..found the problem. it was actually the cdrom..and the backup cdrom I used was also bad.. so I went to another cdrom out of a old server and it worked. ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/shelter From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 14:16:26 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 11 14:51:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.3 and wireless cards In-Reply-To: <1126149740.754.61.camel@shoe-vmsol> Message-ID: <20050911201626.15359.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> just wanted to add one to the list if anyone wanted to know.. I bought a Airlink 101 wireless Super G PCI card..worked right out of the box after I setup my password, channel etc.. -Alex ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/shelter From J at JVPappas.net Sun Sep 11 18:52:35 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Sep 11 17:27:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Cardbus Ethernet Adapters In-Reply-To: <200509101409.46390.mark@mccoyfam.net> References: <99af515b050910105142c6c57@mail.gmail.com> <200509101409.46390.mark@mccoyfam.net> Message-ID: <1126479155.9313.13.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> I have used a 3Com 3cxFE575bt for years. It is a dongle-less CardBus ("XJack" Connector) and has worked since RH5. After I broke the XJack off of one of those, I replaced it with the CT version, and it works too. I also have a non-cardbus 3cxSH572BT, but have not run it under Linux. I will give it a try if you want it. On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 14:09 -0500, Mark D. McCoy wrote: > On Saturday 10 September 2005 12:51, Caleb Wylie wrote: > > Anyone have a suggestion for a supported Ethernet Cardbus adapter? Or a > > have a personal recommendation on one? I am reviving an older laptop for my > > sister and it's built in Ethernet fried some time ago. > > > > I used one a few years ago. It was a Xircom 10/100 with a built-in modem. It > was a dual slot adapter (used one slot, but was so wide it took up the other > slot, too). It came with my old Dell Laptop. I'll have to look around to > see if I can find it. You could also search on ebay for something like that. > I would imagine that most all cardbus ethernet adapters would be well > supported. I also used a single-slot Linksys cardbus adapter that used a > little dongle to attach the network cable. > > Alternatively, the USB Ethernet adapters out there are mostly all supported in > Linux. I have a Linksys 10/100 USB adapter that is rock-solid. > From mark at mccoyfam.net Sun Sep 11 17:02:29 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Sun Sep 11 20:36:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.3 and wireless cards In-Reply-To: <20050911201626.15359.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050911201626.15359.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509111602.29518.mark@mccoyfam.net> On Sunday 11 September 2005 03:16 pm, Alex Bartonek wrote: > just wanted to add one to the list if anyone wanted to > know.. > > I bought a Airlink 101 wireless Super G PCI > card..worked right out of the box after I setup my > password, channel etc.. > > -Alex > Awesome, let's hope they don't change their chipset in midstream like some companies (cough, hawking, cough) -- Mark D. McCoy "There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." From chuck at tetlow.net Sun Sep 11 23:11:17 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Sun Sep 11 21:45:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Red Cross support Message-ID: <1126494679.1402.66.camel@laptop> Hi guys, First, I want to apologize to Don and the guys at the Computer Blast. I intended to help out at the Red Cross for a few hours in the morning and then come out to the Computer Blast. Unfortunately -- they are a lot more disorganized and need more help than we had thought. It took almost two hours after I got there just to track down the person they had designated (just this morning) as their "Communications Manager". Turns out, he is a Microsoft employee that has been pitching in for the last two days -- so he got the title. But there was a big meeting this afternoon with all the people who have been doing the communications at ALL the Red Cross facilities. And the Red Cross had a representative there as well. At the meeting, a lot of responsibilities were handed out to the group. And we will need any help we can get in the future. Most of the help will be either those with basic computer skills who can use a computer or those with more advanced skills who can help others. Those volunteers will either run computers for Red Cross functions or will help those trying to run computers (possibly at a Help Desk). At present, we are still developing the requirements and exact descriptions. But, please don't wait for us to finish polishing the job descriptions to volunteer -- we need help all the time. You can either show up at one of the refugee centers or you can check into the needs ahead of time by going to http://www.sasafelist.org and clicking the Volunteers link on the right side. I also want to put in a plug of thanks to some people. I did see a few SATLUGgers there today. The only one whose name I remember was Dan Diloreto working with the SBC guys. But I also saw some of Steve Kolars students there today. Three guys showed up before noon and were still there when I left at 5:00. Christian was the only name I remember Steve, I'm sorry. I really wish I had gotten the others -- they deserve a pat on the back for all their hard work. And besides SATLUG and SAC students, we had other groups represented. Alamo PC, ISSA, Rackspace and other local groups were there today. It was great seeing all these San Antonio people helping out. Chuck From rwegner at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 12 08:18:24 2005 From: rwegner at satx.rr.com (Richard Wegner) Date: Mon Sep 12 06:50:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Laser Printer Message-ID: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> Hi there, I am wondering if ANYONE has had any luck with a good color laser printer that works via the ethernet port. My wife and I have two systems and would love to use a common laser printer. I have a debian 3.1 (unstable version) and she is using Windows XP home. I saw the HP Color LaserJet 2600N at OfficeMax for $399.99 and was thinking of getting it, but when I wrote to HP and asked them if it would work, they said it would work for the the Windows XP home machine but they never tested or know if it will work with Linux in general. I don't want to pay that much money if we both can't use it...yeah it is cheap enough if she wants to use it but we both do. Thanks... BTW...if there is another one that works just as well, I would also like to know the price and where I can get it, I don't want a discontinued model (or have to order through eBay or online because I don't want to pay the expensive part of shipping, which brings it higher than the price plus tax). From billsouthworth at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 12 07:47:57 2005 From: billsouthworth at sbcglobal.net (Bill Southworth) Date: Mon Sep 12 08:22:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT --missing evacuee Message-ID: <20050912134758.10810.qmail@web81101.mail.yahoo.com> I've been reading about everyone volunteering out at the Red Cross centers and I want to put out the word. Forgive the grammer, this came from a post on a deaf support list. If any of you guys know of a deaf person at one of the shelters, pass this on please. S O S Rosemary need to find her deaf brother , Jackie James Halterman over New Orleans, She lost him during evacation in Superdome. Please send the message across LA., AL, MI, FL,TX among other locations. Please contact me at jlevy@tsi-usa.org if you find him. Thanks, Jim Levy Thanks in Advance, --Bill From eli at then7.com Mon Sep 12 09:52:39 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Mon Sep 12 08:27:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> References: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <3666.208.191.193.29.1126533159.squirrel@208.191.193.29> http://www.linuxprinting.org or google: linux compatible color laser or google: the specific model & the word linux from what I'm reading it looks like Postscript is the most important requirement for unix/linux compatibility. snippets of what i found (take with a grain of salt): ################## Hi, I recently bought that printer (HP Color LaserJet 2600n) thinking it would work under linux (ubuntu) as every Color LaserJet with an Ethernet interface... But it doesn't. Does anyone know which drivers/methods I could start with ? Interfaces : USB, Ethernet Max res. : 600x600 dpi 4 toner cartridges (black, yellow, cyan, magenta) Paper max : A4 (210x297mm) Language : No PostScript, no PCL, but something like HP imageret2400. System officially supported : Win98->WinXP, MacOS X. Thanks, Matthieu Quignard ######################### > Hi there, > > I am wondering if ANYONE has had any luck with a good color laser > printer that works via the ethernet port. My wife and I have two > systems and would love to use a common laser printer. I have a debian > 3.1 (unstable version) and she is using Windows XP home. I saw the HP > Color LaserJet 2600N at OfficeMax for $399.99 and was thinking of > getting it, but when I wrote to HP and asked them if it would work, they > said it would work for the the Windows XP home machine but they never > tested or know if it will work with Linux in general. I don't want to > pay that much money if we both can't use it...yeah it is cheap enough if > she wants to use it but we both do. > > Thanks... > > BTW...if there is another one that works just as well, I would also like > to know the price and where I can get it, I don't want a discontinued > model (or have to order through eBay or online because I don't want to > pay the expensive part of shipping, which brings it higher than the > price plus tax). > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Sep 12 10:06:01 2005 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Sep 12 08:40:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Color LaserJet 2600N under Linux Message-ID: <200509121406.j8CE612G030238@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Regarding printing under Linux, you should take a look at: http://www.linuxprinting.org Read the part about suggested printers. I checked HP's website,the 2600N has fast ethernet and it does support TCP/IP, which is all that's needed under Linux. However, there is one thing that concerns me: This printer does not support postscript or PCL printer language, instead it has this "Host based" driver business, which seems to me like the old problem with the Winmodem deals. Perhaps someone out there has more information about this. There is also no Linux based driver available for download. Seems like another conspiracy between Microsoft and a hardware manufacturer. Quoting from their website: HP Color LaserJet 1500, 2600n, 3500, and 3550 Series Printers - PCL and Postscript Printer Language Support on Host Based Printers HP PCL and postscript printer languages are not supported on host-based products. The HP Color LaserJet 1500, 2600n, 3500, and 3550 series products use host-based printing. There is no solution or upgrade to incorporate HP PCL or postscript into these products and no alternate print drivers are available. The HP Color LaserJet 1500, 2600n, 3500, and 3550 series products are only supported in Microsoft Windows and some limited Macintosh operating systems using the printing software that was developed for the product. So, having read that I would stay away from this product and look elsewhere. Take a look at the linuxprinting website and follow the advice given there. My personal preference is PostScript, but that may be too expensive for you. I haven't priced the market recently, so I can't give you any advice. (I changed the subject to a more appropriate title) -Borries From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 08:23:04 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 12 08:57:42 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] tightvnc java viewer In-Reply-To: <1124997754.27059.53.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <20050912142304.37317.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> is there a way to set the password for the java viewer that way you cant just click 'ok' and get to gui login? I tried vncpasswd but I can still click ok and pass up the vnc password. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 12 10:35:42 2005 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Mon Sep 12 09:10:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> References: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4325923E.6080400@satx.rr.com> Richard Wegner wrote: > Hi there, > > I am wondering if ANYONE has had any luck with a good color laser > printer that works via the ethernet port. My wife and I have two > systems and would love to use a common laser printer. I have a debian > 3.1 (unstable version) and she is using Windows XP home. I saw the > HP Color LaserJet 2600N at OfficeMax for $399.99 and was thinking of > getting it, but when I wrote to HP and asked them if it would work, > they said it would work for the the Windows XP home machine but they > never tested or know if it will work with Linux in general. I don't > want to pay that much money if we both can't use it...yeah it is cheap > enough if she wants to use it but we both do. > > Thanks... > > BTW...if there is another one that works just as well, I would also > like to know the price and where I can get it, I don't want a > discontinued model (or have to order through eBay or online because I > don't want to pay the expensive part of shipping, which brings it > higher than the price plus tax). Have you tried Google? Have you checked to see if the HP LJ2600N is in the CUPS printer database? For what it's worth, we have HP LaserJet 2200, a 5500, a 4050, and a 5000 laser printers at work, and all function perfectly with Linux and CUPS. If I recall, when I set up a printer in Linux, I select a Network Printer (TCP) and enter the IP address of the printer. The default port (9100) should work, as well. From J at JVPappas.net Mon Sep 12 10:40:31 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Sep 12 09:15:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> References: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1126536031.9313.47.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> I would check LinuxPrinting.org. I did not see the 2600N listed at (http://linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=HP). I also looked at http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/productslj.php. Most PostScript-based hp network printers are supported by PPD files directly though. It is just the PCL based printers that need the HPIJS driver. Brother's Linux stuff is here: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html Hope that helps! On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 07:18 -0500, Richard Wegner wrote: > Hi there, > > I am wondering if ANYONE has had any luck with a good color laser > printer that works via the ethernet port. My wife and I have two > systems and would love to use a common laser printer. I have a debian > 3.1 (unstable version) and she is using Windows XP home. I saw the HP > Color LaserJet 2600N at OfficeMax for $399.99 and was thinking of > getting it, but when I wrote to HP and asked them if it would work, they > said it would work for the the Windows XP home machine but they never > tested or know if it will work with Linux in general. I don't want to > pay that much money if we both can't use it...yeah it is cheap enough if > she wants to use it but we both do. > > Thanks... > > BTW...if there is another one that works just as well, I would also like > to know the price and where I can get it, I don't want a discontinued > model (or have to order through eBay or online because I don't want to > pay the expensive part of shipping, which brings it higher than the > price plus tax). > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jgentil at sebistar.net Mon Sep 12 10:42:49 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Mon Sep 12 09:17:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] tightvnc java viewer In-Reply-To: <20050912142304.37317.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050912142304.37317.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509120942.49397.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Monday 12 September 2005 09:23 am, Alex Bartonek wrote: > is there a way to set the password for the java viewer > that way you cant just click 'ok' and get to gui > login? I tried vncpasswd but I can still click ok and > pass up the vnc password. That is most likely an error in the server-side configuration where the password is optional or not defined. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 08:45:18 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 12 09:19:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] tightvnc java viewer In-Reply-To: <200509120942.49397.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <20050912144518.6635.qmail@web54315.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Jon-Pierre, I'll check it out. --- Jon-Pierre Gentil wrote: > On Monday 12 September 2005 09:23 am, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > is there a way to set the password for the java > viewer > > that way you cant just click 'ok' and get to gui > > login? I tried vncpasswd but I can still click ok > and > > pass up the vnc password. > > That is most likely an error in the server-side > configuration where the > password is optional or not defined. > > -- > _________________________________________________________ > > Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 > jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: > www.sebistar.net > "If you think education is expensive, try > ignorance." > _________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rct at gherkin.frus.com Mon Sep 12 16:40:11 2005 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Mon Sep 12 15:14:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] GNOME configuration question In-Reply-To: <1126297267.26147.53.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> "from John Pappas at Sep 9, 2005 03:21:07 pm" Message-ID: <20050912204011.E702DDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> John Pappas wrote: > There is no GUI editor for the GNOME panel menu anymore. The GNOME guys > realize this is a problem, but here is the best tutorial on "Hacking the > GNOME menu" that I have found. > > http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/15224.html I'll be giving *that* a shot as well. Tried SMEG, and discovered some interesting brain-damage in Mandriva LE2005 (or at least some schizophrenic indicators): the various RPMs can't agree on whether menus should be under /etc/xdg or /var/lib/xdg-menus. Most of the RPMs seem to be biased toward stuff under /var/lib. For what it's worth, the base menu file that SMEG looks for exists under /etc/xdg, and the XDG environment variables all point to /var/lib. Worse: the error message from SMEG is fairly useless -- it tells you it cannot find /etc/xdg/menus/whatever, when what it *should* be telling you is it cannot find a particular file in some list of configured directories. In other words, the error message is bogus because the "missing" file exists *exactly* where the error message says SMEG can't find it. Question: where the #$%@! is the GNOME "main menu" object defined? Someone kindly point me to the file/database/whatever it is, and I'll modify it with a bar magnet if I have to!!! If the object is built on-the-fly, what rules does gnome-panel follow, and is there a way to change them short of modifying code and recompiling? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lblodgett at macosx.com Mon Sep 12 16:48:28 2005 From: lblodgett at macosx.com (Larry Blodgett) Date: Mon Sep 12 15:23:20 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <20050908015535.38885.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050908015535.38885.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I upgraded my SuSE 9.2 Pro this last weekend also. In my case I upgraded a laptop. During my upgrade the install asked for all five CDs. They were kind of marked on the right hand side. After the first CD was completed, the system rebooted and didn't ask for the second disk until it finished the first process. It then asked for each of the other CDs. The last two involved very little installing. At the end of the last CD it did not require another boot. I hope this description helped. My problem is I have wrestled all weekend but was able to get the Compaq 2200 with a Broadcom internal wireless card to work. I have tried all sorts of things to no avail. If anyone has been successful let me know. Wires are such a drag. Larry On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:55 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I got a weird problem... I have a SuSE 9.2 Pro box > here.. I wanted to upgrade to 9.3 Pro.. so I start up > booting from CD1, go all the way through and it > reboots after cd1. Well while its rebooting I dont > remember if it booted from CD after the auto-reset or > hd (I'm thinking CD)... well it never finished the > complete install/upgrade.. So I'm trying to boot from > CD again but it refuses..goes straight to the HD.. Was > it designed in this way or did hardware fail? > > -Alex From rickopper at rickopper.com Tue Sep 13 00:09:40 2005 From: rickopper at rickopper.com (Rick Opper) Date: Mon Sep 12 15:40:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: References: <20050908015535.38885.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1126559381.13338.0.camel@linux> As for the CD order, this is normal for YAST (the SuSE setup program). On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 15:48 -0500, Larry Blodgett wrote: > I upgraded my SuSE 9.2 Pro this last weekend also. In my case I > upgraded a laptop. During my upgrade the install asked for all five > CDs. > They were kind of marked on the right hand side. > > After the first CD was completed, the system rebooted and didn't ask > for the second disk until it finished the first process. > It then asked for each of the other CDs. The last two involved very > little installing. At the end of the last CD it did not require > another boot. > > I hope this description helped. > > My problem is I have wrestled all weekend but was able to get the > Compaq 2200 with a Broadcom internal wireless card to work. I have > tried all sorts of things to no avail. If anyone has been successful > let me know. Wires are such a drag. > > Larry > > On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:55 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > I got a weird problem... I have a SuSE 9.2 Pro box > > here.. I wanted to upgrade to 9.3 Pro.. so I start up > > booting from CD1, go all the way through and it > > reboots after cd1. Well while its rebooting I dont > > remember if it booted from CD after the auto-reset or > > hd (I'm thinking CD)... well it never finished the > > complete install/upgrade.. So I'm trying to boot from > > CD again but it refuses..goes straight to the HD.. Was > > it designed in this way or did hardware fail? > > > > -Alex > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Sep 12 17:51:54 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Sep 12 16:26:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.2 --> 9.3 upgrade problem In-Reply-To: References: <20050908015535.38885.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1126561915.1439.149.camel@laptop> Larry, I can't speak to SuSE, but I installed Fedora 4 on my new Vaio laptop two weeks ago. And initially, the internal wireless card did not work. It turned out that I had to install the "ipw2200-firmware-2.3-2.fc.noarch.rpm" RPM for the wireless card AND I had to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.12 or better. Luckily, the FC4 package manager upgraded the kernel with no fuss/no muss and I'm up on wireless. I also have to give kudos to the people who have put together this Linux wireless code. Unlike this laptop booted into Winblows -- I don't have to "search for wireless networks", then pick one, and connect to it. When Linux comes up on this laptop -- it searches out the wireless networks, picks one, and connects. No muss / no fuss! And unlike that other OS, Linux has not dropped a wireless network once. That other OS has a tendency to just "loose" the wireless network and you have to go through all that search/choose/connect crap all over again. I haven't had time to begin experimenting with the wireless sniff/search/map tools yet -- but you can count on it soon. Linux is just so powerful in networking that its hard to believe sometimes!!! Chuck On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 15:48, Larry Blodgett wrote: I upgraded my SuSE 9.2 Pro this last weekend also. In my case I upgraded a laptop. During my upgrade the install asked for all five CDs. They were kind of marked on the right hand side. After the first CD was completed, the system rebooted and didn't ask for the second disk until it finished the first process. It then asked for each of the other CDs. The last two involved very little installing. At the end of the last CD it did not require another boot. I hope this description helped. My problem is I have wrestled all weekend but was able to get the Compaq 2200 with a Broadcom internal wireless card to work. I have tried all sorts of things to no avail. If anyone has been successful let me know. Wires are such a drag. Larry On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:55 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I got a weird problem... I have a SuSE 9.2 Pro box > here.. I wanted to upgrade to 9.3 Pro.. so I start up > booting from CD1, go all the way through and it > reboots after cd1. Well while its rebooting I dont > remember if it booted from CD after the auto-reset or > hd (I'm thinking CD)... well it never finished the > complete install/upgrade.. So I'm trying to boot from > CD again but it refuses..goes straight to the HD.. Was > it designed in this way or did hardware fail? > > -Alex _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 21:48:08 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Sep 12 20:22:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] New Apple Store Message-ID: <128bff2f050912184874973d81@mail.gmail.com> I know it's not linux related but there is a new apple store opening this friday at La Cantera. http://www.apple.com/retail/lacantera/week/20050918.html Zeb From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Sep 12 22:21:16 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Mon Sep 12 20:55:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> References: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200509122121.18216.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 12 September 2005 07:18, Richard Wegner wrote: > Hi there, > > I am wondering if ANYONE has had any luck with a good color laser > printer that works via the ethernet port. My wife and I have two > systems and would love to use a common laser printer. I just picked up a Dell 3000cn color laser printer a couple months ago and I love it! It's got some of the best color output I've seen from a printer (including dye-sub). It's a four color laser printer (1Blk and 3 toner carts (CYM)), it is a 10/100 ethernet with various network protocols (including LPD, IPP & FTP). I use LPD (of course). Although it does NOT do native postscript.. it works fine with Linux (via the pxlmono and pxlcolor PCL6 drivers). And PCL6 is very fast (I've noticed). The real kicker is that while this printer seems to be a work horse.. plus rated best color laser printer in 2005 by PC Mag.. It's price is the lowest in the industry coming in at $300 (with blk+color carts). I got mine on sale delivered to my house for $302! I think that they're going (with current discounts) for right at $320: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=3000cnsapp&s=bsd FREE SHIPPING! > 3.1 (unstable version) and she is using Windows XP home. I saw the HP > Color LaserJet 2600N at OfficeMax for $399.99 and was thinking of > getting it, but when I wrote to HP and asked them if it would work, they > said it would work for the the Windows XP home machine but they never > tested or know if it will work with Linux in general. Although historically I love HP laser printers, I am boycotting HP (along with most of Europe) for their monopolistic ink cartridge/printer practices (hardware in their ink wells to keep you from using non-HP carts or using simple refill kits) as well as other underhanded practices: http://www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_03-02-01.html and http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/emergingtech/0,39020357,39117220,00.htm Of course.. you'll have to just pick you evil.. as Dell laser printers are made by Lexmark.. which has their own crowd of haters: http://www.corante.com/copyfight/archives/026734.html Heh.. anyway.. The printer just works... has all the features that I wanted (except native postscript rendering) has great output, and a crazy low price. BUT... BE AWARE... Once you exhaust the Black or Color toner carts tho, you can ONLY get the refills from Dell, and since Lexmark makes them.. well they'll probably only work after the printer dips into it's "EULA reserve tank", prints out a final contractual EULA sheet with self paid fold over form that you have to thumbprint authorize, sign in blood (for DNA profiling and databasing) and mail into Dell with your bank account# and autodraft power of attorney. ;) Tweeks From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 20:37:16 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 12 21:11:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] suse 9.2 & Wireless issue In-Reply-To: <200509122121.18216.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <20050913023716.48944.qmail@web54304.mail.yahoo.com> well, I'm not going to use the backup server right away so I decided to pull that new wireless card out and put it in my existing SuSE 9.2 server. It recognized the new hardware, I configured it..but when the system reboots it says "no interface found" during bootup. The card is firmly seated and is getting a signal because the green light on the back of the card is on.. Any clues? -alex ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From othniel at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 01:02:43 2005 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Mon Sep 12 23:37:15 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website Update In-Reply-To: References: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> <345e55a50509061329131f6875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24b598f6050912220279ad94bb@mail.gmail.com> I will be at the Monthly SATLUG meeting wednesday night. As I have said on numerous occasions: The existing system is SECURE and it is WORKING. The priority is to REPLACE the hardware and operating system with something more CURRENT so such things as you are suggesting can be implemented. This is in the works, so when the NEW machine is on line your volunteer efforts will be employed. I am sorry this not happening as fast as you would like. This is a free service being provided by the GRACE of rackspace, so we ARE getting what you paid for. Do you understand or disagree with these priorities? Othniel Graichen From jtiner at gvtc.com Tue Sep 13 02:01:01 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (James Tiner) Date: Tue Sep 13 00:32:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website Update In-Reply-To: <24b598f6050912220279ad94bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> <345e55a50509061329131f6875@mail.gmail.com> <24b598f6050912220279ad94bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1126591261.7436.2.camel@localhost> Is there a time when this is expected to be done? I know that Rackspace is giving it free, but this is something that could give better visibility and a wider audience. if we have the know how and the time, it would be great to utilize this. what is the hardware and software that the site is running? is this really a great concern for the site? i'm just a little curious. On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 00:02 -0500, Othniel Graichen wrote: > I will be at the Monthly SATLUG meeting wednesday night. > > As I have said on numerous occasions: The existing system is SECURE and it > is WORKING. The priority is to REPLACE the hardware and operating system > with something more CURRENT so such things as you are suggesting can be > implemented. This is in the works, so when the NEW machine is on line your > volunteer efforts will be employed. I am sorry this not happening as fast as > you would like. This is a free service being provided by the GRACE of > rackspace, so we ARE getting what you paid for. > > Do you understand or disagree with these priorities? > > Othniel Graichen > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Sep 13 03:13:16 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Sep 13 01:47:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Website Update In-Reply-To: <1126591261.7436.2.camel@localhost> References: <1126037638.13a14e8feac9b@www.idxwebservices.com> <345e55a50509061329131f6875@mail.gmail.com> <24b598f6050912220279ad94bb@mail.gmail.com> <1126591261.7436.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1126595600.1439.492.camel@laptop> Is there a time when this is expected to be done? I know that Rackspace is giving it free, OK, lets put all the speculation to rest.... And I'm sorry if I'm a little lengthy, I do want to be complete. The idea of upgrading our server has been floating for about a year. Its not like we don't have plenty of donated hardware and even cash. Al Castanoli even offered a full server ready to go. But Rackspace has a "standard" equipment sets they use for all their boxes. Our current server is one of the only (if not THE only) non-standard box in the whole place. And they've put up with our non-standard set up for a long time. A Rackspacer made a suggestion to us when we first broached the subject of an upgrade. He suggested we speak to our Rackspace representative about the possibility of their donating a "used" box to upgrade to. That would bring us in line with their standard hardware sets. It would be beneficial for both Rackspace and to us. On our side -- it will help us as they will then be able to provide hardware support that we currently don't receive. There have been a few people in the group who have attempted to take on the project of upgrading the hardware. Unfortunately, because of personal problems (mostly work time constraints) -- the upgrade project hasn't gotten anywhere. Because of the delays and seeming lack of progress, I started making some calls two weeks ago. I've been in touch with Rackspace personnel. I was funneled to a nice lady named Madel who was very enthusiastic about the upgrade idea. She told me that unfortunately she was not the right person to approve & finish the project. But she did offer to speak to the other section heads there to find the right person and have them call me. That call was mid-last week. I've held off a bit in phoning her back. I know Rackspace is especially busy these last two weeks as they are providing a lot of manpower and support to the Windsor Park refugee center (owned and donated to Red Cross by Rackspace's owner). Plus, I didn't want to seem too pushy for fear of alienating someone who might then disapprove our upgrade. So, for all those interested in the server upgrade -- that's where we stand. My time has also been a bit tied up recently as I've volunteered all my spare time to some non-profits. But as soon as we get a decision from Rackspace -- we will go ahead with either loading their donated hardware or we load our own provided hardware. No matter which hardware we go with, I am sure we will be making a number of changes to our configuration. I'd like to use SELinux to provide a better and more granular security model for the server. I'd also like to see the BOD consider and hopefully approve some/all of these offers for newer software sets. But again -- their installation has to wait until we have the hardware situation resolved. So, to all those that have offered assistance -- thank you. We are not ignoring the offers and we do appreciate them. But we all have jobs and other responsibilities that limit our ability to contribute time to this project. So, please bear with us. We are working the process and will get there. In the meantime, it could be beneficial to discuss & consider the software to be used on the new server installation. I have to admit -- I'm not very familiar with some of these new softwares mentioned. What does each do and how could it contribute to our website and/or e-mail list? Or, is there some new features these softwares provide that might be useful on the server??? Chuck From channing-c at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 13 16:26:14 2005 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (channing-c@satx.rr.com) Date: Wed Sep 14 00:01:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Mail Suggestions Message-ID: <376b28b376ee51.376ee51376b28b@texas.rr.com> Hi Fellow Luggers, I was looking for opinions on Web Mail applications (free of course). I'm using SquirrelMail, and am looking for something better (don't ask me what better is - I'm just not crazy about the UI of SquirrelMail). Thanks in advance for your input. Channing From hstreit at swri.edu Tue Sep 13 15:59:05 2005 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Wed Sep 14 00:05:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Is there a Web Host in the house? Message-ID: <43272F89.9040208@swri.edu> I have a friend that needs webspace here in SA. Any local guys? From jgentil at sebistar.net Wed Sep 14 01:43:13 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Wed Sep 14 00:18:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Mail Suggestions In-Reply-To: <376b28b376ee51.376ee51376b28b@texas.rr.com> References: <376b28b376ee51.376ee51376b28b@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <200509140043.13416.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Tuesday 13 September 2005 03:26 pm, channing-c@satx.rr.com wrote: > I was looking for opinions on Web Mail applications (free of course). > I'm using SquirrelMail, and am looking for something better (don't ask > me what better is - I'm just not crazy about the UI of SquirrelMail). Take a look at IlohaMail. http://ilohamail.org It's prettier than Squirrelmail, and seems quite functional. I used it once and thought it was OK. -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From rhermida at utpa.edu Tue Sep 13 09:51:09 2005 From: rhermida at utpa.edu (Ramon Hermida) Date: Wed Sep 14 00:39:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> References: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200509130851.09191.rhermida@utpa.edu> My wife just bought this model online for $339 by going to the hp.com site. The printer definitely has an ethernet port built-in and it will pick up an IP address via DHCP. It does come with four separate toners included (Cyan, Yellow, Magenta, and Black). We did not try setting the IP address manually. The printer is also accessible via its own web server for configuration and troubleshooting. I have not tried setting up a linux workstation to print from it. I did notice that she had to install software from the CD that came with it, so this may pose a problem. Regards. -RH On Monday 12 September 2005 07:18, Richard Wegner wrote: > Hi there, > > I am wondering if ANYONE has had any luck with a good color laser > printer that works via the ethernet port. My wife and I have two > systems and would love to use a common laser printer. I have a debian > 3.1 (unstable version) and she is using Windows XP home. I saw the HP > Color LaserJet 2600N at OfficeMax for $399.99 and was thinking of > getting it, but when I wrote to HP and asked them if it would work, they > said it would work for the the Windows XP home machine but they never > tested or know if it will work with Linux in general. I don't want to > pay that much money if we both can't use it...yeah it is cheap enough if > she wants to use it but we both do. > > Thanks... > > BTW...if there is another one that works just as well, I would also like > to know the price and where I can get it, I don't want a discontinued > model (or have to order through eBay or online because I don't want to > pay the expensive part of shipping, which brings it higher than the > price plus tax). > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Sep 14 02:05:30 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Sep 14 00:40:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Is there a Web Host in the house? In-Reply-To: <43272F89.9040208@swri.edu> References: <43272F89.9040208@swri.edu> Message-ID: <9befi1p0ch35bm5adfcdolo02a6mtpi24k@4ax.com> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:59:05 -0500, "H. Streit" wrote: >I have a friend that needs webspace here in SA. Any local guys? How much bandwidth? Dedicated server? E-commerce security certificate? MS IIS (spit), Coldfusion, or other special requirements? Big email output? Selling items likely to cause a breach of the peace? Is "no downtime" important enough to pay for? Rackspace and Server Beach are known to SATLUG. Those are big enough for most anything. If Vinny Huckaba is still around, he was offering a deal to SATLUG listers with smaller needs. http://www.sawebhosting.com Of course the whole idea of this Interweb thingie is nobody knows what side of the planet you're on. A server in Hong Kong may be closer than one in Hondo, once you take into account peering rules and Wrong Way First protocol that some backbone providers seem to follow. --Don From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Sep 13 21:34:57 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Sep 14 00:53:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OVERCLOCKIX Message-ID: <1126661698.1439.595.camel@laptop> He everyone, Has anyone heard of a distro called OVERCLOCKIX? A friend just sent me an ISO of the 3.79 version. But other than what I've read at http://overclockix.octeams.com, I don't know a thing about it. It appears to be a Knoppix like CD-based distro, maybe even a Knoppix derivative. Anyone know of it or any comments on it??? Chuck Oh, and if anyone wants a copy -- let me know. I'll put it up on my server. From sbender at humana.com Wed Sep 14 08:38:08 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Wed Sep 14 07:12:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: <1126661698.1439.595.camel@laptop> Message-ID: Hi all Im having LOTS of problems installing the Ubuntu AMD64 version on my pc. Im really lost as to how to install libdvdcss and a few other packages. Im also lost as to how to access my onboard raid! When will the next install fest be? I have a custom rig and im wanting to get this and wine running so I can show my friends that we can switch to Linux AND play our games! Shawn Bender The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Sep 14 09:09:34 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Sep 14 07:43:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4328210E.5010508@cis.sac.accd.edu> Shawn Bender wrote: >Hi all > >Im having LOTS of problems installing the Ubuntu AMD64 version on my pc. >Im really lost as to how to install libdvdcss and a few other packages. >Im also lost as to how to access my onboard raid! When will the next >install fest be? I have a custom rig and im wanting to get this and wine >running so I can show my friends that we can switch to Linux AND play our >games! > >Shawn Bender > > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Bring it to the installfest on Saturday. From sbender at humana.com Wed Sep 14 09:11:42 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Wed Sep 14 07:46:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: <4328210E.5010508@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: Steve, Thanks for responding. When and where? Ill be there with bells on! Shawn Bender Humana DSI 8119 Datapoint Dr San Antonio, TX. 78229 (210)615-3103 steve kolars Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 09/14/2005 08:09 AM Please respond to "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" To "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" cc Subject Re: [SATLUG] HELP! Shawn Bender wrote: >Hi all > >Im having LOTS of problems installing the Ubuntu AMD64 version on my pc. >Im really lost as to how to install libdvdcss and a few other packages. >Im also lost as to how to access my onboard raid! When will the next >install fest be? I have a custom rig and im wanting to get this and wine >running so I can show my friends that we can switch to Linux AND play our >games! > >Shawn Bender > > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Bring it to the installfest on Saturday. _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From gwillden at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 11:29:39 2005 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Wed Sep 14 10:04:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] belkin wireless drivers In-Reply-To: <4123346ef72c7953e3b21eacc199fa6b@sga.dyndns.org> References: <4123346ef72c7953e3b21eacc199fa6b@sga.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <345e55a5050914082937bb92a0@mail.gmail.com> Do you know what chipset is in it? OR Which model is your card? Greg On 9/10/05, Gandor wrote: > > anyone know of anyone working on driver for belkin wireless g+ nic cards ? > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From tweeks-pop at xcssa.org Wed Sep 14 11:37:48 2005 From: tweeks-pop at xcssa.org (tweeks-pop@xcssa.org) Date: Wed Sep 14 10:08:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Is there a Web Host in the house? In-Reply-To: <9befi1p0ch35bm5adfcdolo02a6mtpi24k@4ax.com> References: <43272F89.9040208@swri.edu> <9befi1p0ch35bm5adfcdolo02a6mtpi24k@4ax.com> Message-ID: <48806.64.39.0.38.1126712268.squirrel@webmail.theweeks.org> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:59:05 -0500, "H. Streit" > wrote: > >>I have a friend that needs webspace here in SA. Any local guys? If you need a full server, of course I'll recommend my own company (a managed/dedicated hoster), Rackspace, but if you need a web-hoster (someone who just sells "web space" (not a full server)), then yes.. there are several in town. Several Racker employees do some web hosting on the side. One I recommend is http://www.day32.com/ by own own Matt Montgomery. He offers good services, and can solve just about any problem for your hosting needs. Tell'em Tweeks sent you. Tweeks From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Sep 14 11:43:12 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Sep 14 10:17:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: References: <4328210E.5010508@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <1uggi15hseg6f1kb4inuphp1k366pmns7q@4ax.com> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:11:42 -0500, Shawn Bender wrote: >Thanks for responding. When and where? Ill be there with bells on! San Antonio College, Nail Technical Center (Same place as the meeting tonight.) Map available at http://www.satlug.org/sac-map.html From sbender at humana.com Wed Sep 14 11:55:50 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Wed Sep 14 10:30:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: <1uggi15hseg6f1kb4inuphp1k366pmns7q@4ax.com> Message-ID: Ok, now what time! :) sorry have to put everything done for time as I have work to go to too. Shawn Bender Humana DSI 8119 Datapoint Dr San Antonio, TX. 78229 (210)615-3103 Don Wright Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 09/14/2005 10:43 AM Please respond to "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" To "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" cc Subject Re: [SATLUG] HELP! On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:11:42 -0500, Shawn Bender wrote: >Thanks for responding. When and where? Ill be there with bells on! San Antonio College, Nail Technical Center (Same place as the meeting tonight.) Map available at http://www.satlug.org/sac-map.html _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Sep 14 12:21:46 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Sep 14 10:55:47 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43284E1A.9010006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Shawn Bender wrote: >Steve, > >Thanks for responding. When and where? Ill be there with bells on! > We have a presentation tonight that on one will want to miss. Bring it to NTC (same building as the meeting tonight) room 104, Saturday morning. The InstallFest begins at 9:00 a.m. We will be here until we are finished. Try and get here before noon--the earlier the better. Since you have a custom system it might take a little while, so the more time we allow the better. See you Saturday. >Shawn Bender >Humana DSI >8119 Datapoint Dr >San Antonio, TX. 78229 >(210)615-3103 > > > >steve kolars >Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >09/14/2005 08:09 AM >Please respond to >"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > >To >"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >cc > >Subject >Re: [SATLUG] HELP! > > > > > > >Shawn Bender wrote: > >>Hi all >> >>Im having LOTS of problems installing the Ubuntu AMD64 version on my pc. >>Im really lost as to how to install libdvdcss and a few other packages. >>Im also lost as to how to access my onboard raid! When will the next >>install fest be? I have a custom rig and im wanting to get this and wine >>running so I can show my friends that we can switch to Linux AND play our >> > > >>games! >> >>Shawn Bender >> >> >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> >which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you >receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and >delete or destroy the material/information. > >>_______________________________________________ >>SATLUG mailing list >>SATLUG@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >> >Bring it to the installfest on Saturday. >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From sbender at humana.com Wed Sep 14 12:24:39 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Wed Sep 14 10:59:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: <43284E1A.9010006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: Thanks! Ill be there at 8! Anything besides my system? my monitor is rather heavy. Shawn Bender Humana DSI 8119 Datapoint Dr San Antonio, TX. 78229 (210)615-3103 steve kolars Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 09/14/2005 11:21 AM Please respond to "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" To "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" cc Subject Re: [SATLUG] HELP! Shawn Bender wrote: >Steve, > >Thanks for responding. When and where? Ill be there with bells on! > We have a presentation tonight that on one will want to miss. Bring it to NTC (same building as the meeting tonight) room 104, Saturday morning. The InstallFest begins at 9:00 a.m. We will be here until we are finished. Try and get here before noon--the earlier the better. Since you have a custom system it might take a little while, so the more time we allow the better. See you Saturday. >Shawn Bender >Humana DSI >8119 Datapoint Dr >San Antonio, TX. 78229 >(210)615-3103 > > > >steve kolars >Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >09/14/2005 08:09 AM >Please respond to >"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > >To >"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >cc > >Subject >Re: [SATLUG] HELP! > > > > > > >Shawn Bender wrote: > >>Hi all >> >>Im having LOTS of problems installing the Ubuntu AMD64 version on my pc. >>Im really lost as to how to install libdvdcss and a few other packages. >>Im also lost as to how to access my onboard raid! When will the next >>install fest be? I have a custom rig and im wanting to get this and wine >>running so I can show my friends that we can switch to Linux AND play our >> > > >>games! >> >>Shawn Bender >> >> >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> >which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you >receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and >delete or destroy the material/information. > >>_______________________________________________ >>SATLUG mailing list >>SATLUG@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >> >Bring it to the installfest on Saturday. >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Sep 14 12:26:24 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Sep 14 11:00:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] meeting tonight Message-ID: <43284F30.1040407@cis.sac.accd.edu> Dr. Dubbs will be presenting tonight. The meeting will be in the Nail Technical Center room 213A. We will not be able to get into the room until 6:45 p.m., so if you get there early just loiter in the hallways. Steve From satlugmail at rcsinc.us Wed Sep 14 16:41:16 2005 From: satlugmail at rcsinc.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Wed Sep 14 15:16:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Mail Suggestions In-Reply-To: <376b28b376ee51.376ee51376b28b@texas.rr.com> References: <376b28b376ee51.376ee51376b28b@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43288AEC.4000606@rcsinc.us> Check out http://www.openwebmail.org channing-c@satx.rr.com wrote: > Hi Fellow Luggers, > > I was looking for opinions on Web Mail applications (free of course). > I'm using SquirrelMail, and am looking for something better (don't ask > me what better is - I'm just not crazy about the UI of SquirrelMail). > > Thanks in advance for your input. > Channing > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From satlugmail at rcsinc.us Wed Sep 14 16:42:35 2005 From: satlugmail at rcsinc.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Wed Sep 14 15:17:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Is there a Web Host in the house? In-Reply-To: <43272F89.9040208@swri.edu> References: <43272F89.9040208@swri.edu> Message-ID: <43288B3B.9000203@rcsinc.us> My company offers web hosting with serveral options. Check our website at http://www.sawebhosting.com Thanks Don for posting my info, I've been out of the office all day.. Vinny Huckaba ------------- S.A. Webhosting 3700 Fredericksburg Rd. #118 San Antonio, TX 78201 (210) 738-1297 H. Streit wrote: > I have a friend that needs webspace here in SA. Any local guys? > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 17:29:26 2005 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Sep 14 16:04:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Mail Suggestions In-Reply-To: <376b28b376ee51.376ee51376b28b@texas.rr.com> References: <376b28b376ee51.376ee51376b28b@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd05091414293ec2d501@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/05, channing-c@satx.rr.com wrote: > > I was looking for opinions on Web Mail applications (free of course). > I'm using SquirrelMail, and am looking for something better (don't ask > me what better is - I'm just not crazy about the UI of SquirrelMail). > I'll throw in my 2 cents on the issue. Check out Horde/ImpIt's html/php/mysql based modular application with mail, addressbook, calendar and much much more. Works very well. Ed From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Sep 14 18:23:39 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Sep 14 16:57:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4328A2EB.6090900@cis.sac.accd.edu> Shawn Bender wrote: >Thanks! Ill be there at 8! Anything besides my system? my monitor is >rather heavy. > > If you want everything to run properly you need to bring it all. >Shawn Bender >Humana DSI >8119 Datapoint Dr >San Antonio, TX. 78229 >(210)615-3103 > > > >steve kolars >Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >09/14/2005 11:21 AM >Please respond to >"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > >To >"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >cc > >Subject >Re: [SATLUG] HELP! > > > > > > >Shawn Bender wrote: > >>Steve, >> >>Thanks for responding. When and where? Ill be there with bells on! >> >> >We have a presentation tonight that on one will want to miss. Bring it >to NTC (same building as the meeting tonight) room 104, Saturday >morning. The InstallFest begins at 9:00 a.m. We will be here until we >are finished. Try and get here before noon--the earlier the better. >Since you have a custom system it might take a little while, so the more >time we allow the better. See you Saturday. > >>Shawn Bender >>Humana DSI >>8119 Datapoint Dr >>San Antonio, TX. 78229 >>(210)615-3103 >> >> >> >>steve kolars >>Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >>09/14/2005 08:09 AM >>Please respond to >>"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> >> >>To >>"The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >>cc >> >>Subject >>Re: [SATLUG] HELP! >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Shawn Bender wrote: >> >> >>>Hi all >>> >>>Im having LOTS of problems installing the Ubuntu AMD64 version on my pc. >>> > > >>>Im really lost as to how to install libdvdcss and a few other packages. >>>Im also lost as to how to access my onboard raid! When will the next >>>install fest be? I have a custom rig and im wanting to get this and wine >>> > > >>>running so I can show my friends that we can switch to Linux AND play >>> >our > >> >>>games! >>> >>>Shawn Bender >>> >>> >>>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >>> > > >>which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you >>receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and >> > > >>delete or destroy the material/information. >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SATLUG mailing list >>>SATLUG@satlug.org >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Bring it to the installfest on Saturday. >>_______________________________________________ >>SATLUG mailing list >>SATLUG@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> >which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you >receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and >delete or destroy the material/information. > >>_______________________________________________ >>SATLUG mailing list >>SATLUG@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From ziriax at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 18:51:39 2005 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Wed Sep 14 17:26:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <200509130851.09191.rhermida@utpa.edu> References: <43257210.7060906@satx.rr.com> <200509130851.09191.rhermida@utpa.edu> Message-ID: <31bde60e0509141551516af752@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/05, Ramon Hermida wrote: > > My wife just bought this model online for $339 by going to the hp.comsite. > The printer definitely has an ethernet port built-in and it will pick up > an > IP address via DHCP. It does come with four separate toners included > (Cyan, > Yellow, Magenta, and Black). We did not try setting the IP address > manually. > The printer is also accessible via its own web server for configuration > and > troubleshooting. I have not tried setting up a linux workstation to print > from it. I did notice that she had to install software from the CD that > came > with it, so this may pose a problem. > > Regards. > > -RH > > On Monday 12 September 2005 07:18, Richard Wegner wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > I am wondering if ANYONE has had any luck with a good color laser > > printer that works via the ethernet port. My wife and I have two > > systems and would love to use a common laser printer. I have a debian > > 3.1 (unstable version) and she is using Windows XP home. I saw the HP > > Color LaserJet 2600N at OfficeMax for $399.99 and was thinking of > > getting it, but when I wrote to HP and asked them if it would work, they > > said it would work for the the Windows XP home machine but they never > > tested or know if it will work with Linux in general. I don't want to > > pay that much money if we both can't use it...yeah it is cheap enough if > > she wants to use it but we both do. > > > > Thanks... > > > > BTW...if there is another one that works just as well, I would also like > > to know the price and where I can get it, I don't want a discontinued > > model (or have to order through eBay or online because I don't want to > > pay the expensive part of shipping, which brings it higher than the > > price plus tax). > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > I'm using an HP2550n at work. It has color, network interface, postscript, and make clunking noises when it changes color drums. Other than that, great. jz -- John From sbender at humana.com Thu Sep 15 08:08:37 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Thu Sep 15 06:43:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: <4328A2EB.6090900@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: Steve, I have a compaq 20" monitor (aka HEAVY!) would I need to bring that as well? Shawn Bender The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 07:19:33 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Sep 15 07:54:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.3 problem...lol In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd05091414293ec2d501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050915131934.85726.qmail@web54314.mail.yahoo.com> well, the upgrade from 9.2-> 9.3 works great. No data loss in MySQL, webserver works great etc..except for one teeny tiny problem..the problem which I upgrade for..lol. Well, I bought a Atheros wifi card and put it in another server and did a fresh install of 9.3..works great, can get on the network etc. So I upgraded my main webserver so I could put the wifi card in it then I can put the server in the closet out of the way.. well the upgrade worked no problems. The Atheros wifi card gets recognized but when I tell it to enable the wifi card the system locks up. It is using the 'ath_pci' driver which is correct. But I have not been able to "delete" the card from YaST because when I click "ok" to commit the change the system locks up writing to /etc/modprobe.conf I believe (or whatever the first thing it tells you its writing to). Any clue as to why its locking up? -alex __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Sep 15 10:15:24 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Sep 15 08:49:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432981FC.7090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> Shawn Bender wrote: >Steve, > >I have a compaq 20" monitor (aka HEAVY!) would I need to bring that as >well? > Only if you want to make sure the computer and monitor get along well with each other when you get the box back home. If you do not bring it, you might get it home and have a wonderful Linux computer without a monitor that works. On this end--we have carts you can put it on--make getting it in and out much easier. Cannot help the other end--sorry. >Shawn Bender > > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 10:24:04 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Thu Sep 15 08:58:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: <432981FC.7090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <432981FC.7090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: Correct me is I am wrong, but as long as you enter the available resolutions and the horiz and vert specs properly in the xorg.conf file, he should be safe, right? In Ubuntu I always have to change the generic monitor settings that it writes into the file. So all he would really need are the specs for his monitor. Of course there is always a chance that something could go wrong. I just love linux. ;-P Nathan Turnage Production Artist / Web Designer Anderson Marketing Group 210.223.6233 main 210.230.6771 direct On Sep 15, 2005, at 9:15 AM, steve kolars wrote: > Shawn Bender wrote: >> Steve, >> >> I have a compaq 20" monitor (aka HEAVY!) would I need to bring that as >> well? >> > Only if you want to make sure the computer and monitor get along well > with each other when you get the box back home. If you do not bring > it, > you might get it home and have a wonderful Linux computer without a > monitor that works. On this end--we have carts you can put it on--make > getting it in and out much easier. Cannot help the other end--sorry. >> Shawn Bender >> >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >> to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If >> you receive this material/information in error, please contact the >> sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Sep 15 17:41:02 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Sep 15 16:15:08 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: References: <432981FC.7090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <4329EA6E.6060606@cis.sac.accd.edu> Nathan Turnage wrote: > Correct me is I am wrong, but as long as you enter the available > resolutions and the horiz and vert specs properly in the xorg.conf > file, he should be safe, right? In Ubuntu I always have to change the > generic monitor settings that it writes into the file. So all he would > really need are the specs for his monitor. Of course there is always a > chance that something could go wrong. I just love linux. ;-P In theory--yes. In practice--no. If the person getting Linux installed is very good with X I would say no problem. I the real world experience says if he wants to *make sure* it works bring it. > > > Nathan Turnage > Production Artist / Web Designer > Anderson Marketing Group > 210.223.6233 main > 210.230.6771 direct > > > > On Sep 15, 2005, at 9:15 AM, steve kolars wrote: > >> Shawn Bender wrote: >>> Steve, >>> >>> I have a compaq 20" monitor (aka HEAVY!) would I need to bring that as >>> well? >>> >> Only if you want to make sure the computer and monitor get along well >> with each other when you get the box back home. If you do not bring it, >> you might get it home and have a wonderful Linux computer without a >> monitor that works. On this end--we have carts you can put it on--make >> getting it in and out much easier. Cannot help the other end--sorry. >>> Shawn Bender >>> >>> >>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or >>> entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL >>> material. If you receive this material/information in error, please >>> contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From sbender at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 15 21:29:11 2005 From: sbender at satx.rr.com (Shawn) Date: Thu Sep 15 20:03:44 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! In-Reply-To: <4329EA6E.6060606@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <432981FC.7090903@cis.sac.accd.edu> <4329EA6E.6060606@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <432A1FE7.1030000@satx.rr.com> steve kolars wrote: >Nathan Turnage wrote: > > >>Correct me is I am wrong, but as long as you enter the available >>resolutions and the horiz and vert specs properly in the xorg.conf >>file, he should be safe, right? In Ubuntu I always have to change the >>generic monitor settings that it writes into the file. So all he would >>really need are the specs for his monitor. Of course there is always a >>chance that something could go wrong. I just love linux. ;-P >> >> >In theory--yes. In practice--no. If the person getting Linux installed >is very good with X I would say no problem. I the real world experience >says if he wants to *make sure* it works bring it. > > >>Nathan Turnage >>Production Artist / Web Designer >>Anderson Marketing Group >>210.223.6233 main >>210.230.6771 direct >> >> >> >>On Sep 15, 2005, at 9:15 AM, steve kolars wrote: >> >> >> >>>Shawn Bender wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Steve, >>>> >>>>I have a compaq 20" monitor (aka HEAVY!) would I need to bring that as >>>>well? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Only if you want to make sure the computer and monitor get along well >>>with each other when you get the box back home. If you do not bring it, >>>you might get it home and have a wonderful Linux computer without a >>>monitor that works. On this end--we have carts you can put it on--make >>>getting it in and out much easier. Cannot help the other end--sorry. >>> >>> >>>>Shawn Bender >>>> >>>> >>>>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or >>>>entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL >>>>material. If you receive this material/information in error, please >>>>contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SATLUG mailing list >>>>SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SATLUG mailing list >>>SATLUG@satlug.org >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SATLUG mailing list >>SATLUG@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Well then.. Ill bring it! :) Of course living on the 3rd floor has its problems! Shawn From scs at wireweb.net Thu Sep 15 21:37:28 2005 From: scs at wireweb.net (scs@wireweb.net) Date: Thu Sep 15 20:13:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] HELP! Message-ID: <60dde7c6f6834069905db19fd04a3cb2.scs@wireweb.net> Obviously it impairs reading. ----- Original Message -----Obvious; From: Shawn Sent: 9/15/2005 8:29:11 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: Re: [SATLUG] HELP! > steve kolars wrote: > > >Nathan Turnage wrote: > > > > > >>Correct me is I am wrong, but as long as you enter the available > >>resolutions and the horiz and vert specs properly in the xorg.conf > >>file, he should be safe, right? In Ubuntu I always have to change the > >>generic monitor settings that it writes into the file. So all he would > >>really need are the specs for his monitor. Of course there is always a > >>chance that something could go wrong. I just love linux. ;-P > >> > >> > >In theory--yes. In practice--no. If the person getting Linux installed > >is very good with X I would say no problem. I the real world experience > >says if he wants to *make sure* it works bring it. > > > > > >>Nathan Turnage > >>Production Artist / Web Designer > >>Anderson Marketing Group > >>210.223.6233 main > >>210.230.6771 direct > >> > >> > >> > >>On Sep 15, 2005, at 9:15 AM, steve kolars wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Shawn Bender wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Steve, > >>>> > >>>>I have a compaq 20" monitor (aka HEAVY!) would I need to bring that as > >>>>well? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Only if you want to make sure the computer and monitor get along well > >>>with each other when you get the box back home. If you do not bring it, > >>>you might get it home and have a wonderful Linux computer without a > >>>monitor that works. On this end--we have carts you can put it on--make > >>>getting it in and out much easier. Cannot help the other end--sorry. > >>> > >>> > >>>>Shawn Bender > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > >>>>entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL > >>>>material. If you receive this material/information in error, please > >>>>contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>SATLUG mailing list > >>>>SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SATLUG mailing list > >>>SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SATLUG mailing list > >>SATLUG@satlug.org > >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SATLUG mailing list > >SATLUG@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > Well then.. Ill bring it! :) > Of course living on the 3rd floor has its problems! > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 15 23:26:23 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Thu Sep 15 22:00:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 9.3 problem...lol In-Reply-To: <20050915131934.85726.qmail@web54314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050915131934.85726.qmail@web54314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509152226.23534.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> > Well, I bought a Atheros wifi card and put it in > another server and did a fresh install of 9.3..works > great, can get on the network etc. What Atheros card do you have? I can't seem to find any NEW ones (11g) on the market. Tweeks From maquaro at yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 10:10:43 2005 From: maquaro at yahoo.com (Dale Offret Jr.) Date: Fri Sep 16 08:45:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] KnoppMyth and MythTv Message-ID: <432AD263.9090207@yahoo.com> I'm looking to install KnoppMyth on a computer within the next 2 weeks. I wanted to ask the Satlug group how many of them use either KnoppMyth or MythTV in some fashion. And what parts of the MythTV software they used the most. Dale Offret Jr. maquaro@yahoo.com From asexton at swbell.net Fri Sep 16 10:23:36 2005 From: asexton at swbell.net (Art Sexton) Date: Fri Sep 16 08:57:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] KnoppMyth and MythTv In-Reply-To: <432AD263.9090207@yahoo.com> References: <432AD263.9090207@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <432AD568.8070908@swbell.net> This is just a "me too" post. I have been thinking about it for a while and now have a box that I would like to start using as a PVR. I am awaiting a tuner card that should be here in the next few days. So, I too would be interested in anyone's experiences. Thanks! Art Sexton Dale Offret Jr. wrote: > I'm looking to install KnoppMyth on a computer within the next 2 > weeks. I wanted to ask the Satlug group how many of them use either > KnoppMyth or MythTV in some fashion. And what parts of the MythTV > software they used the most. > > Dale Offret Jr. > maquaro@yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Sep 16 10:40:16 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Sep 16 09:14:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] KnoppMyth and MythTv In-Reply-To: <432AD568.8070908@swbell.net> References: <432AD263.9090207@yahoo.com> <432AD568.8070908@swbell.net> Message-ID: <432AD950.40003@cis.sac.accd.edu> Art Sexton wrote: > This is just a "me too" post. I have been thinking about it for a > while and now have a box that I would like to start using as a PVR. I > am awaiting a tuner card that should be here in the next few days. > So, I too would be interested in anyone's experiences. > > Thanks! > > Art Sexton > > Dale Offret Jr. wrote: > >> I'm looking to install KnoppMyth on a computer within the next 2 >> weeks. I wanted to ask the Satlug group how many of them use either >> KnoppMyth or MythTV in some fashion. And what parts of the MythTV >> software they used the most. >> >> Dale Offret Jr. >> maquaro@yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Attend the next XCSSA meeting, next Monday evening, 7:00 p.m., Nail Technical Center, room 140, San Antonio College. Tom Weeks is giving a presentation on MythTV. Steve From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 23:05:07 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 16 21:39:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] KnoppMyth and MythTv In-Reply-To: <432AD950.40003@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <432AD263.9090207@yahoo.com> <432AD568.8070908@swbell.net> <432AD950.40003@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: I did the FC3 myth install, but wondered about how much easier knopmyth would work, and how functional it would be in comparison. What tool do you use to add/update programs on Knopmyth? With FC3 you get a decent sized repository of precompiled programs, like ogle and mplayer.... however, the mythtv install takes like 2 days. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From lists at thehunter.ws Sat Sep 17 07:36:54 2005 From: lists at thehunter.ws (Jeremy Teale) Date: Sat Sep 17 06:14:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] KnoppMyth and MythTv In-Reply-To: References: <432AD263.9090207@yahoo.com> <432AD568.8070908@swbell.net> <432AD950.40003@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <1126957014.5984.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> KnoppMyth is Debian based, so I assume that means apt is used to install, upgrade, etc. KnoppMyth is trimmed down to only install what is needed, so if there's something you need just apt-get it. 2 days?! How are you installing? There's rpms available at http://atrpms.net/ that work just fine. If it's the configuration that's taking that long, Jarod Wilson's how to is very easy to follow. http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 22:05 -0500, Travis H. wrote: > I did the FC3 myth install, but wondered about how much easier > knopmyth would work, and how functional it would be in comparison. > > What tool do you use to add/update programs on Knopmyth? > > With FC3 you get a decent sized repository of precompiled programs, > like ogle and mplayer.... however, the mythtv install takes like 2 > days. From solinym at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 08:52:50 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Sep 17 07:27:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] KnoppMyth and MythTv In-Reply-To: <1126957014.5984.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <432AD263.9090207@yahoo.com> <432AD568.8070908@swbell.net> <432AD950.40003@cis.sac.accd.edu> <1126957014.5984.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > taking that long, Jarod Wilson's how to is very easy to follow. > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php That's the one. It takes a long time to go from scratch to a fully installed system. One day gets you the base install and mythtv, the next day is all tweaking and setting config parameters, etc. apt-get upgrade hosed my mythtv system, and a friend re-installed following that guide, took a full day and it's not quite usable yet --- 2 days is a safe estimate. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Sep 17 23:09:16 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Sep 17 21:43:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] KnoppMyth and MythTv In-Reply-To: References: <432AD263.9090207@yahoo.com> <1126957014.5984.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200509172209.17143.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 17 September 2005 07:52, Travis H. wrote: > > taking that long, Jarod Wilson's how to is very easy to follow. > > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php > > That's the one. It takes a long time to go from scratch to a fully > installed system. Yes.. you're right. While Jarod's Guide IS the easy way to get a RPM based MythTV install up and going (the RPM install of MythSuite from atrpms.net was 90 packages that only took a few minutes), the MythTV system is built on some pretty specific hardware, drivers, and "X-otic" configs (mine's running on LVM on top of software RAID). I may be able to get some more info on doing it with Knoppmyth to hard drive if you want. A friend of mine used that method. But if you want to really tweak it out, I would go with Fedora. > One day gets you the base install and mythtv, the next day is all > tweaking and setting config parameters, etc. It can be done in two days.. But I tend to take more time and fine tune the underlying system (LVM/RAID, LCD/VFD display modules, Remote Control LIRC/codes, S/PDIF sound out, Tuner tweaking, etc)... > apt-get upgrade hosed my mythtv system, and a friend re-installed > following that guide, took a full day and it's not quite usable yet > --- 2 days is a safe estimate. What happened? You had it working using atrpms and then an update nuked it? I was thinking about doing an atrpm based upgrade too, but was a little nervous. Do you recommend against it (on a working system)? I don't want to steal the subject.. but as someone else on the list said, XCSSA is having a presentation on this very topic Monday night at SAC at 7pm (room 140) by yours truly. Not only will it be a HOWTO from the new book, "Linux Toys II" (based on Jarod's guide), but I'll have the working system there for everyone to poke at and see working. Here's a sneak peek: http://theweeks.org/tmp/MINE/Fig-4-3-Inside-view.jpg Then our own Bruce Tomlin is doing a talk on doing home brew PC board fabrication. Good tech-y stuff.. More info here: http://xcssa.org/ Everyone's welcome... hope to see you there. :) Tweeks From gandor at sga.dyndns.org Sun Sep 18 19:52:04 2005 From: gandor at sga.dyndns.org (Gandor) Date: Sun Sep 18 18:26:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] help with restoring mysql database Message-ID: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> i have been running myql 4.0.22 on my window 2003 box i am trying to move all my databases to my linux box running SUSE 9.3 and mysql 4.1.10a. I dumped the entire database on the window box to a file called dump.sql and moved it to the linux box and tryed to retore it.. The broblem is i keep getting this error.... ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2537: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'tinyint(2) NOT NULL default '0', UNIQUE KEY FriendPair (ID,Profile), KEY I' at line 4 im stuck anyone know how to fix this problem? From sexton at idxwebservices.com Sun Sep 18 20:20:30 2005 From: sexton at idxwebservices.com (Art Sexton) Date: Sun Sep 18 18:54:51 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] help with restoring mysql database In-Reply-To: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> References: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <432E044E.9020309@idxwebservices.com> Can you post the complete sql line...but my guess would be that you are missing a ";" at the end of a statement. That is usually was 1064 indicates. Art Sexton Gandor wrote: >i have been running myql 4.0.22 on my window 2003 box i am trying to move all my databases to my linux box running SUSE 9.3 and mysql 4.1.10a. I dumped the entire database on the window box to a file called dump.sql and moved it to the linux box and tryed to retore it.. The broblem is i keep getting this error.... > >ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2537: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'tinyint(2) NOT NULL default '0', >UNIQUE KEY FriendPair (ID,Profile), >KEY I' at line 4 > >im stuck anyone know how to fix this problem? > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From jgentil at sebistar.net Sun Sep 18 20:20:45 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Sun Sep 18 18:55:19 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] help with restoring mysql database In-Reply-To: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> References: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200509181920.45602.jgentil@sebistar.net> On Sunday 18 September 2005 07:52 pm, Gandor wrote: > ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2537: You have an error in your SQL syntax; > check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the > right syntax to use near 'tinyint(2) NOT NULL default '0', UNIQUE KEY > FriendPair (ID,Profile), > KEY I' at line 4 > > im stuck anyone know how to fix this problem? Can you post the entire line for line 2537? Details, man, details. :) -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sun Sep 18 20:26:06 2005 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Sun Sep 18 19:01:02 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] help with restoring mysql database In-Reply-To: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> References: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <432E059E.60509@futuretechsolutions.com> If you could post the entire create table statement that this line appears in, it would be helpful. Charles Gandor wrote: > i have been running myql 4.0.22 on my window 2003 box i am trying to move all my databases to my linux box running SUSE 9.3 and mysql 4.1.10a. I dumped the entire database on the window box to a file called dump.sql and moved it to the linux box and tryed to retore it.. The broblem is i keep getting this error.... > > ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2537: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'tinyint(2) NOT NULL default '0', > UNIQUE KEY FriendPair (ID,Profile), > KEY I' at line 4 > > im stuck anyone know how to fix this problem? > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From sbender at satx.rr.com Sun Sep 18 21:14:09 2005 From: sbender at satx.rr.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Sun Sep 18 19:48:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank you all! In-Reply-To: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> References: <3314c04bd1d65f20d6d2dc674df3e23c@sga.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <432E10E1.9000600@satx.rr.com> I just wanted to say Thank you all for the great help I got at the install fest! I had a great time, learned lots of new things and got to meet alot of you. I am looking forward to the next meeting. Thank you all! From robert.j.thomas at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 18:20:28 2005 From: robert.j.thomas at gmail.com (Robert Thomas) Date: Mon Sep 19 16:54:56 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Alamo PC Linspire Presentation (10 Oct) Message-ID: Forwarded from David Steward APCUG: ----- Hi, I did not know who I could send this to. I am the Programs Chair for the Alamo PC Organization, here in San Antonio. On October 10th, we are hosting a presentation by Linsprie and wanted to invite the members of the SATLUG to attend if they wanted to. I just thought that since this presentation was of interest to both our groups, that I would extend an invitation to ya'll. Plus, we would love to have ya. There is, of couse, no charge to attend the meeting. The meeting will be held in the Crossrods Convention Center on October 10th. ( see the attached blurb ) If you need any further information, please let me know. David Steward Alamo PC San Antonio, Texas Board of Advisors APCUG ---- Robert J. Thomas rthomas@satlug.org From gandor at sga.dyndns.org Mon Sep 19 19:55:48 2005 From: gandor at sga.dyndns.org (Gandor) Date: Mon Sep 19 18:30:12 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re:help with restoring mysql database Message-ID: > i have been running myql 4.0.22 on my window 2003 box i am trying to move all my databases to my linux box running SUSE 9.3 and mysql 4.1.10a. I dumped the entire database on the window box to a file called dump.sql and moved it to the linux box and tryed to retore it.. The broblem is i keep getting this error.... > > ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2537: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'tinyint(2) NOT NULL default '0', > UNIQUE KEY FriendPair (ID,Profile), > KEY I' at line 4 > > im stuck anyone know how to fix this problem? here are 3 examples. i have 24 more tables with errors in this database according to the mysql migration tool and i dont get the errors with mysql 4.0 jut when trying to move the databases to 4.1 ... thank guys for your help in this :) example 1 CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`aff` ( `ID` BIGINT(8) NOT NULL, `Name` VARCHAR(10) NOT NULL, `email` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL, `Password` VARCHAR(10) NOT NULL, `Percent` DOUBLE(0, 0) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, `Status` ENUM NOT NULL DEFAULT approval, `seed` INT(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, `RegDate` DATETIME NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00 00:00:00, PRIMARY KEY (`ID`) ) ENGINE = INNODB; Example 2 CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`articles` ( `ID` BIGINT(20) NOT NULL, `Date` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, `Title` VARCHAR(100) NOT NULL, `Text` MEDIUMTEXT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (`ID`), UNIQUE INDEX `Date` (`Date`) ) ENGINE = INNODB; Example 3 CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`banners` ( `ID` INT(11) NOT NULL, `Title` VARCHAR(32) NOT NULL, `Url` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL, `Text` MEDIUMTEXT NOT NULL, `Active` TINYINT(4) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, `Created` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, `campaign_start` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, `campaign_end` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, PRIMARY KEY (`ID`) ) ENGINE = INNODB; From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Mon Sep 19 23:16:48 2005 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Mon Sep 19 21:51:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re:help with restoring mysql database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432F7F20.7050000@futuretechsolutions.com> First thing that I notice here is that the fields of type ENUM do not appear to be specified correctly. See: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/enum.html Second thing I'm noticing is that none of the declared default values are quoted. You would probably have better luck on those if they were enclosed in single quotes. Charles Gandor wrote: >>i have been running myql 4.0.22 on my window 2003 box i am trying to move all my databases to my linux box running SUSE 9.3 and mysql 4.1.10a. I dumped the entire database on the window box to a file called dump.sql and moved it to the linux box and tryed to retore it.. The broblem is i keep getting this error.... >> >>ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2537: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'tinyint(2) NOT NULL default '0', >>UNIQUE KEY FriendPair (ID,Profile), >>KEY I' at line 4 >> >>im stuck anyone know how to fix this problem? > > > here are 3 examples. i have 24 more tables with errors in this database according to the mysql migration tool and i dont get the errors with mysql 4.0 jut when trying to move the databases to 4.1 ... > thank guys for your help in this :) > > example 1 > > CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`aff` ( > `ID` BIGINT(8) NOT NULL, > `Name` VARCHAR(10) NOT NULL, > `email` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL, > `Password` VARCHAR(10) NOT NULL, > `Percent` DOUBLE(0, 0) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, > `Status` ENUM NOT NULL DEFAULT approval, > `seed` INT(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, > `RegDate` DATETIME NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00 00:00:00, > PRIMARY KEY (`ID`) > ) > ENGINE = INNODB; > > Example 2 > > CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`articles` ( > `ID` BIGINT(20) NOT NULL, > `Date` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, > `Title` VARCHAR(100) NOT NULL, > `Text` MEDIUMTEXT NULL, > PRIMARY KEY (`ID`), > UNIQUE INDEX `Date` (`Date`) > ) > ENGINE = INNODB; > > > Example 3 > > CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`banners` ( > `ID` INT(11) NOT NULL, > `Title` VARCHAR(32) NOT NULL, > `Url` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL, > `Text` MEDIUMTEXT NOT NULL, > `Active` TINYINT(4) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, > `Created` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, > `campaign_start` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, > `campaign_end` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, > PRIMARY KEY (`ID`) > ) > ENGINE = INNODB; > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From Channing-C at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 19 23:29:37 2005 From: Channing-C at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Mon Sep 19 22:04:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re:help with restoring mysql database In-Reply-To: <432F7F20.7050000@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <432F7F20.7050000@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20050919222937.f831u1ibi84gkskw@kcefamily.com> Charles D Hogan :> First thing that I notice here is that the fields of type ENUM do not > appear to be specified correctly. > See: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/enum.html > Second thing I'm noticing is that none of the declared default values > are quoted. You would probably have better luck on those if they > were enclosed in single quotes. > > Charles > > Gandor wrote: >>> i have been running myql 4.0.22 on my window 2003 box i am trying>>> to move all my databases to my linux box running SUSE 9.3 and mysql >>> 4.1.10a. I dumped the entire database on the window box to a file>>> called dump.sql and moved it to the linux box and tryed to retore>>> it.. The broblem is i keep getting this error.... ERROR 1064 >>> (42000) at line 2537: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check>>> the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the >>> right syntax to use near 'tinyint(2) NOT NULL default '0', >>> UNIQUE KEY FriendPair (ID,Profile), >>> KEY I' at line 4 >>> >>> im stuck anyone know how to fix this problem? >> >> >> here are 3 examples. i have 24 more tables with errors in this >> database according to the mysql migration tool and i dont get the >> errors with mysql 4.0 jut when trying to move the databases to 4.1>> ... thank guys for your help in this :) >> >> example 1 >> >> CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`aff` ( >> `ID` BIGINT(8) NOT NULL, >> `Name` VARCHAR(10) NOT NULL, >> `email` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL, >> `Password` VARCHAR(10) NOT NULL, >> `Percent` DOUBLE(0, 0) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, >> `Status` ENUM NOT NULL DEFAULT approval, >> `seed` INT(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, >> `RegDate` DATETIME NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00 00:00:00, >> PRIMARY KEY (`ID`) >> ) >> ENGINE = INNODB; >> >> Example 2 >> >> CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`articles` ( >> `ID` BIGINT(20) NOT NULL, >> `Date` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, >> `Title` VARCHAR(100) NOT NULL, >> `Text` MEDIUMTEXT NULL, >> PRIMARY KEY (`ID`), >> UNIQUE INDEX `Date` (`Date`) >> ) >> ENGINE = INNODB; >> >> >> Example 3 >> >> CREATE TABLE `lotso`.`banners` ( >> `ID` INT(11) NOT NULL, >> `Title` VARCHAR(32) NOT NULL, >> `Url` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL, >> `Text` MEDIUMTEXT NOT NULL, >> `Active` TINYINT(4) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, >> `Created` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, >> `campaign_start` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, >> `campaign_end` DATE NOT NULL DEFAULT 0000-00-00, >> PRIMARY KEY (`ID`) >> ) >> ENGINE = INNODB; >> >> _______________________________________________It seems to me that the last time I migrated from a Win2k server to Solaris, I was able to perform the export/import directly from db to db via socket. This kept me from having to deal with any file transporting & exporting/importing issues.I don't know if this would work for you, but it might help. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From mark at mccoyfam.net Tue Sep 20 09:31:34 2005 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark D. McCoy) Date: Tue Sep 20 08:06:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] gainfully employed, finally! Message-ID: <200509200831.34451.mark@mccoyfam.net> Hey all, just wanted to drop a note to let everyone know that I'm no longer a bum ;) I start at UTSA in their unix server group next monday. Thanks to everyone that emailed my job links and who passed my resume around. -- Mark D. McCoy "There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't." From jesse at liberto.org Tue Sep 20 16:07:34 2005 From: jesse at liberto.org (jesse@liberto.org) Date: Tue Sep 20 14:42:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Managing Log Files Message-ID: <20050920150734.0csfajs6ya9wkcoo@liberto.org> Out of curiosity, what are people out there doing to manage system logs? ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From lists at thehunter.ws Tue Sep 20 19:29:59 2005 From: lists at thehunter.ws (Jeremy Teale) Date: Tue Sep 20 18:04:58 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Managing Log Files In-Reply-To: <20050920150734.0csfajs6ya9wkcoo@liberto.org> References: <20050920150734.0csfajs6ya9wkcoo@liberto.org> Message-ID: <1127258999.7997.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I like logrotate. Automates the process of gzipping and rotating logs with simple scripting and cron. There are log daemons such as metalog that do this themselves. Or were you referring to something more along the lines of log analysis? On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 15:07 -0500, jesse@liberto.org wrote: > Out of curiosity, what are people out there doing to manage system logs? From jgentil at sebistar.net Tue Sep 20 19:50:08 2005 From: jgentil at sebistar.net (Jon-Pierre Gentil) Date: Tue Sep 20 18:24:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PGP signatures? Message-ID: <200509201850.08534.jgentil@sebistar.net> For some reason, if I post to the list with a PGP signature MIMEd or inline, it never makes it through... any reason why? :) -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ From greg at turnstep.com Wed Sep 21 01:07:52 2005 From: greg at turnstep.com (Greg Sabino Mullane) Date: Tue Sep 20 18:42:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PGP signatures? In-Reply-To: <200509201850.08534.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <244e9c66e98f05cb17806eb405ae7f5a@biglumber.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > For some reason, if I post to the list with a PGP signature MIMEd or > inline, it never makes it through... any reason why? :) Have you emailed the list admin? We'll see if this inline-signed message makes it through, but I think it would be odd if it did not. It's possible that the list is using spam filtering that was triggered by your message. It's also possible that the list received your message but you did not - check the satlug archives to be sure. You might also check your email for a bounce message. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200509202004 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFDMKRDvJuQZxSWSsgRAtpAAKC7XAN2dGbKICzxVSyQ9gm4KBb1DwCaA45M 4FAk8DwzKp7HArr4qdud/tc= =x8C5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Sep 20 20:41:00 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Sep 20 19:15:21 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] PGP signatures? In-Reply-To: <200509201850.08534.jgentil@sebistar.net> References: <200509201850.08534.jgentil@sebistar.net> Message-ID: <1127263261.1116.20.camel@laptop> I'd suspect its because the list server has a 40k limit on postings. The post body can't exceed that size. Exceed it, and the server bounces it to the list admin. And if I'm LUCKY -- I get time to check that about once a week lately. Chuck On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 18:50, Jon-Pierre Gentil wrote: For some reason, if I post to the list with a PGP signature MIMEd or inline, it never makes it through... any reason why? :) -- _________________________________________________________ Jon-Pierre Gentil PGP: 0x7E1CBA17 jabber: jgentil@sebistar.net web: www.sebistar.net "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jesse at liberto.org Wed Sep 21 11:03:03 2005 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Wed Sep 21 09:37:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Managing Log Files In-Reply-To: <1127258999.7997.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050921150259.8518516A99F@mail.ricos.com> No. I was just curious. I use logrotate along with logcheck on each server. I plan on eventually creating a loghost to capture all log files. Jesse Gonzalez Network Administrator Liberto Management Co., Inc. (210) 253-2285 jesse@liberto.org -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Teale Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:30 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Managing Log Files I like logrotate. Automates the process of gzipping and rotating logs with simple scripting and cron. There are log daemons such as metalog that do this themselves. Or were you referring to something more along the lines of log analysis? On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 15:07 -0500, jesse@liberto.org wrote: > Out of curiosity, what are people out there doing to manage system logs? _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 08:26:01 2005 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri Sep 23 07:00:20 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Managing Log Files In-Reply-To: <20050921150259.8518516A99F@mail.ricos.com> References: <20050921150259.8518516A99F@mail.ricos.com> Message-ID: <4333F459.5080808@gmail.com> If you want to set up a loghost look at using syslog-ng it has alot of features for parsing the logs into different files. I use it to seperate my logs based upon IP networks. So I can keep logs from different areas in one file makes it easier when searching for an event. Suppose you can also get it to write to MySQL but I have trouble with that and ditched it. The mailing list is also active and people seem to be very helpful if you run into a problem just beware read the FAQ before asking a question. http://www.balabit.com/products/syslog_ng/ Zeb From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sun Sep 25 18:14:36 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Sun Sep 25 16:48:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation Message-ID: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> What do you want to see for a presentation at the October SATLUG meeting? Let's start planning now. Steve From benjamin.temple at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 18:51:44 2005 From: benjamin.temple at gmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Sun Sep 25 17:26:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> I want to see a presentation about compiling a kernel. On 9/25/05, steve kolars wrote: > > What do you want to see for a presentation at the October SATLUG > meeting? Let's start planning now. > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From ziriax at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 19:34:23 2005 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Sun Sep 25 18:08:43 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e050925163454024569@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/05, Benjamin Temple wrote: > > I want to see a presentation about compiling a kernel. > > On 9/25/05, steve kolars wrote: > > > > What do you want to see for a presentation at the October SATLUG > > meeting? Let's start planning now. > > > > Steve > > > Good idea, including how different distros do it and how to deal with problems. -- John From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 19:46:23 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Sun Sep 25 18:20:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <31bde60e050925163454024569@mail.gmail.com> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e050925163454024569@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/25/05, John Ziriax wrote: > > On 9/25/05, Benjamin Temple wrote: > > > > I want to see a presentation about compiling a kernel. > > > > > Good idea, including how different distros do it and how to deal with > problems. I went through this 'way back when, when I first got into Linux... and started with SuSE 7.0 it was with Ed Coates' help, that we came up with: _________________________ cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig pick your options make dep ; make clean make bzImage make modules make modules_install Me personally, I usually copy the current kernel to /boot/vmlinuz.orig and the new kernel to /boot/vmlinuz In my case: cp /boot/vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz.orig then cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map then cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz then run lilo then reboot ___________________________ Now, if you're running Grub, then forget the lilo line. Grub will see the info. I can't imagine it's much different on different distros. -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From pac at fortuitous.com Sun Sep 25 20:15:19 2005 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Sun Sep 25 18:49:33 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e050925163454024569@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050926001519.GA32220@mail.fortuitous.com> On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 06:46:23PM -0500, Geoff wrote: > I went through this 'way back when, when I first got into Linux... and > started with SuSE 7.0 > > it was with Ed Coates' help, that we came up with: > > _________________________ > cd /usr/src/linux > make menuconfig > pick your options > make dep ; make clean > make bzImage > make modules > make modules_install For 2.6 kernels: As normal user, DL kernel from kernel.org cd ~/home download linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz tar xvfj linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz cd linux-2.6.12.5 cp ~/config/oldconfig.2611.3 .config make oldconfig make menuconfig (configure the blue blazes out of kernel) make all &> make.log & tail -f make.log Now as root: cd ~joe/linux-2.6.12.5/ make modules_insall cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel2612.5 (adjust lilo or grub to see new kernel) reboot Test and go back to beginning if not working as needed. -Phil .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From chris at deadwire.net Sun Sep 25 21:56:12 2005 From: chris at deadwire.net (chris@deadwire.net) Date: Sun Sep 25 19:31:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux on Ipod Message-ID: Hey everyone. Just wondering if anyone on the list has Linuxed their Ipod. I did last night and its just really cool to be able to play videos. From benjaminez at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 21:12:13 2005 From: benjaminez at gmail.com (Benjamin) Date: Sun Sep 25 19:46:30 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora Core 4 and Internet Message-ID: <9a427b080509251812998eb4@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I know I'm a couple of months late, but I just upgraded my server to Fedora Core 4. Everything works so far as I can tell, except for some reason the server will not connect to the Internet. It's not the connection; I can get on the Web from another computer. It's not the Ethernet; the server is plugged in to the router and the router detects the server. And iptables isn't the problem either; I have disabled iptables without result. Loopback works fine, of course, but when I try to ping my router, I get: [me@box ~]$ ping 172.16.0.1 connect: Network is unreachable I can ping this address (and get a response) on a different computer. Anyone have any idea what's going on? I should mention that I did have to tell system-config-network (the network device configurer) to automatically get DNS information. I don't know if that has any bearing on the situation, though . . . Any Fedora users out there who want a more detailed description of what I did to the network settings just drop me a line. Thanks in advance. -- Benjamin "Obey me, I am root." -Michael Crichton, Prey From geoffw5omr at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 21:31:29 2005 From: geoffw5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Sun Sep 25 20:05:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora Core 4 and Internet In-Reply-To: <9a427b080509251812998eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a427b080509251812998eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/25/05, Benjamin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I know I'm a couple of months late, but I just upgraded my server to > Fedora Core 4. Everything works so far as I can tell, except for some > reason the server will not connect to the Internet. [..snip..] [me@box ~]$ ping 172.16.0.1 > connect: Network is unreachable from a command prompt, type in (as root) ifconfig eth# (I'm assuming 0, if there's only 1 nic card) and search for an ip address. should look like: ifconfig eth1 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:BA:42:CC:B0:CD inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255Mask: 255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: feF0::2b0:24ff:fedd:b0cd/44 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:4347268 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:7304025 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:347533312 (331.4 Mb) TX bytes:1197183393 (1141.7 Mb) Interrupt:5 Base address:0xef00 (Note: this is an example.) I can ping this address (and get a response) on a different computer. > > Anyone have any idea what's going on? > > I should mention that I did have to tell system-config-network (the > network device configurer) to automatically get DNS information. Is that machine configured with dhcp, on the network? Is the server running dchpd? I > don't know if that has any bearing on the situation, though . . . Any > Fedora users out there who want a more detailed description of what I > did to the network settings just drop me a line. It's all linux OS under the hood, regadless of Flavor. Think of it as Grape, Orange, Black Cherry or whatever.. it's all still Kool-Aid ;-) -- Regards, -Geoff Oscar loves trash, but hates spam. Get the Lead out to reply. From bdubbs at swbell.net Sun Sep 25 21:38:52 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Sep 25 20:13:06 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <20050926001519.GA32220@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e050925163454024569@mail.gmail.com> <20050926001519.GA32220@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <4337512C.1060702@swbell.net> Phil Carinhas wrote: > On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 06:46:23PM -0500, Geoff wrote: > >>I went through this 'way back when, when I first got into Linux... and >>started with SuSE 7.0 >> >>it was with Ed Coates' help, that we came up with: >> >>_________________________ >>cd /usr/src/linux >>make menuconfig >>pick your options >>make dep ; make clean >>make bzImage >>make modules >>make modules_install > > > For 2.6 kernels: > As normal user, DL kernel from kernel.org > > cd ~/home > download linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz > tar xvfj linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz Use of bsd switches in tar is depricated. Newer versions of tar don't need a j (or z). The file has a bz2 extention. I prefer tar -xf linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz2 > cd linux-2.6.12.5 > cp ~/config/oldconfig.2611.3 .config > make oldconfig This isn't needed. make menuconfig (make xconfig) will do everything that is needed. > make menuconfig (configure the blue blazes out of kernel) > make all &> make.log & > tail -f make.log All is equivalent to vmlinux in the makefile and is the default. An easier way is to combine the above two lines is: make 2>&1 | tee make.log If you use modules, you also need: make modules_install > Now as root: > > cd ~joe/linux-2.6.12.5/ > make modules_insall > cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel2612.5 It is recommeded to cp ./System.map /boot/System.map too. As a personal technique I copy .config /boot/config-my-version-number > (adjust lilo or grub to see new kernel) > reboot > > Test and go back to beginning if not working as needed. You really only need to back to the make (menuconfig|xconfig) step. For a discussion, see the Linux From Scratch Book: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter08/kernel.html You don't have to do the whole book for the page to be valid. -- Bruce From pac at fortuitous.com Sun Sep 25 23:24:39 2005 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Sun Sep 25 21:58:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <4337512C.1060702@swbell.net> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e050925163454024569@mail.gmail.com> <20050926001519.GA32220@mail.fortuitous.com> <4337512C.1060702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20050926032439.GA3926@mail.fortuitous.com> On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 08:38:52PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Phil Carinhas wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 06:46:23PM -0500, Geoff wrote: > > > > For 2.6 kernels: > > As normal user, DL kernel from kernel.org > > Use of bsd switches in tar is depricated. Newer versions of tar don't > need a j (or z). The file has a bz2 extention. > > I prefer tar -xf linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz2 Perhaps, but your method fails on a system with tar 1.14-2 in debian testing. > This isn't needed. make menuconfig (make xconfig) will do everything > that is needed. True, but its good to show some of the details for educational reasons. -p .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From bdubbs at swbell.net Sun Sep 25 23:55:50 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Sep 25 22:30:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <20050926032439.GA3926@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e050925163454024569@mail.gmail.com> <20050926001519.GA32220@mail.fortuitous.com> <4337512C.1060702@swbell.net> <20050926032439.GA3926@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <43377146.8010808@swbell.net> Phil Carinhas wrote: > On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 08:38:52PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >>Phil Carinhas wrote: >>I prefer tar -xf linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz2 > > > Perhaps, but your method fails on a system with tar 1.14-2 in > debian testing. The current version of tar is 1.15.1 released 21-Dec-2004. http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/tar/ I don't pay attention to what distos keep up and which ones don't. :) In any case the instruction can just be modified by adding a j to the switches, but the f needs to be last. Note that tar --help only show options that start with a dash and `info tar` -> Styles -> Old Style Options for a discussion. This discussion has been around since at least tar 1.13. -- Bruce From yatinhat at yahoo.com Sun Sep 25 22:25:40 2005 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Sun Sep 25 22:59:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <200509260331.j8Q3VTf18039@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20050926042540.58701.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, I suggest Troubleshooting Linux...I realize it's a broad topic, but I can't think of anything else right now...it's late and I just got back from Houston. Mary > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:14:36 -0500 > From: steve kolars > Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation > To: satlug > Message-ID: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > What do you want to see for a presentation at the > October SATLUG > meeting? Let's start planning now. > > Steve From J at JVPappas.net Mon Sep 26 06:55:08 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Sep 26 07:29:28 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <20050926042540.58701.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050926042540.58701.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Since there has been recent discussion of Software RAID/LVM (File Servers, MythTV, etc) Maybe a discussion that covers: -- Concepts (RAID/LVM) -- Combining the concepts -- Effects on file systems -- pv/lv commmands -- EVMS additional functionality -- Shrink/Grow/Move volumes Thoughts? John On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 21:25 -0700, Mary Yatti wrote: > Steve, > > I suggest Troubleshooting Linux...I realize it's a > broad topic, but I can't think of anything else right > now...it's late and I just got back from Houston. > > Mary > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:14:36 -0500 > > From: steve kolars > > Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation > > To: satlug > > Message-ID: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > What do you want to see for a presentation at the > > October SATLUG > > meeting? Let's start planning now. > > > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From sbender at humana.com Mon Sep 26 09:09:41 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Mon Sep 26 07:44:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: Im more of the mind to look at the networking side. Can someone do a comparison between the windows commands and how to do the same thing in linux?? Shawn Bender Humana DSI 8119 Datapoint Dr San Antonio, TX. 78229 (210)615-3103 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 07:25:44 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 26 08:00:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <20050926132544.27615.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> speaking of MythTV ..that should be a topic in the next meeting.. maybe set it up on a dummy box.. I've been looking at it but havent installed it on anything yet. --- John Pappas wrote: > Since there has been recent discussion of Software > RAID/LVM (File > Servers, MythTV, etc) > > Maybe a discussion that covers: > -- Concepts (RAID/LVM) > -- Combining the concepts > -- Effects on file systems > -- pv/lv commmands > -- EVMS additional functionality > -- Shrink/Grow/Move volumes > > Thoughts? > John __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From wmail at wricomp.com Mon Sep 26 10:39:58 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon Sep 26 09:14:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <20050926132544.27615.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <20050926132544.27615.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8i1gj15bsav6ctuc0vdi2v4fs9fbtk6sko@4ax.com> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:25:44 -0700 (PDT), Alex Bartonek wrote: >speaking of MythTV ..that should be a topic in the >next meeting.. maybe set it up on a dummy box.. I've >been looking at it but havent installed it on anything >yet. That was a topic at XCSSA last Monday. www.xcssa.org Though I wouldn't mind an encore, I'd hate to ask him to tear apart his home entertainment system again so soon. The presentation notes should be online Real Soon Now. --Don -- A computer is a hole in your desk you pour money into. From gwillden at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 11:04:24 2005 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Mon Sep 26 09:38:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <345e55a505092608045b7f7ba9@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/05, steve kolars wrote: > > What do you want to see for a presentation at the October SATLUG > meeting? Let's start planning now. > What will the date/time be for October's meeting? I have to tell you about an experience I had the other day. I was at the Cody branch of San Antonio Library and I saw a somewhat elderly gentleman checking out a couple of books on Linux. After I checked out I ran out the door to talk to him. I caught him just as he was getting into his truck and asked him about his interest in Linux. He said his son had gotten it for him but that he (the gentleman) was having some troubles with his printer. His son didn't seem to know too much about it. I told him about satlug and the mailing list but he said he isn't on the internet right now. So I told him about the monthly meetings and gave him my phone number if he had any questions. Last night I had a message from him on my answering machine. He wants to know when the next meeting is. Also, are there any installfests coming up? He may need some other assistance with his computer and that would be a good opportunity. Thanks Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Sep 26 11:31:46 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Mon Sep 26 10:05:24 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <8i1gj15bsav6ctuc0vdi2v4fs9fbtk6sko@4ax.com> References: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <20050926132544.27615.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> <8i1gj15bsav6ctuc0vdi2v4fs9fbtk6sko@4ax.com> Message-ID: <43381462.7090305@cis.sac.accd.edu> Don Wright wrote: >On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:25:44 -0700 (PDT), Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > >>speaking of MythTV ..that should be a topic in the >>next meeting.. maybe set it up on a dummy box.. I've >>been looking at it but havent installed it on anything >>yet. >> > > >That was a topic at XCSSA last Monday. www.xcssa.org >Though I wouldn't mind an encore, I'd hate to ask him to tear apart his >home entertainment system again so soon. > >The presentation notes should be online Real Soon Now. --Don > > There is a possibility that Tom will be able to do a mythtv presentation in November. Hopefully it will work out. If he does an encore plan on being here very late. We did not get out of the XCSSA meeting until 11:30 p.m. He had much more to show but we all had to get up the next morning. Steve From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Sep 26 11:36:41 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Mon Sep 26 10:10:17 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <20050926042540.58701.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <43381589.60503@cis.sac.accd.edu> John Pappas wrote: >Since there has been recent discussion of Software RAID/LVM (File >Servers, MythTV, etc) > >Maybe a discussion that covers: >-- Concepts (RAID/LVM) >-- Combining the concepts >-- Effects on file systems >-- pv/lv commmands >-- EVMS additional functionality >-- Shrink/Grow/Move volumes > >Thoughts? >John > Anyone out there using Raid and/or LVM? Anyone have any experience with Reiser4? Anyone feel like giving a presentation on Raid and/or LVM and/or Reiser4? Steve From Jason.George at Valero.com Mon Sep 26 17:34:39 2005 From: Jason.George at Valero.com (George, Jason) Date: Mon Sep 26 16:09:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Re: October's Presentation Message-ID: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF9201BA6E46@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> Didn't we do the kernel compile topic recently? Personally, I'd be interested in the entertainment side of Linux- MP3 jukebox, MythTV, emulation, home missile defense, or any other cool toy you can build using Linux. -JG From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Sep 26 18:27:05 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Mon Sep 26 17:00:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF9201BA6E46@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> References: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF9201BA6E46@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> Message-ID: <433875B9.50903@cis.sac.accd.edu> George, Jason wrote: >Didn't we do the kernel compile topic recently? > >Personally, I'd be interested in the entertainment side of Linux- MP3 >jukebox, MythTV, emulation, home missile defense, or any other cool toy >you can build using Linux. -JG >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Yes, we had an excellent presentation a couple of months ago on the kernel. Hopefully in November we will have a very good presentation on MythTV. For October how about a volunteer to do raid, lvm, and/or reiser4. Steve From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 16:34:57 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 26 17:09:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <433875B9.50903@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <20050926223457.81418.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> Here's an idea..dunno how much interest it will draw.. a basic Linux security presentation for people who run web servers. (ssh installed, ftp installed etc).. -alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From benjaminez at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 19:08:56 2005 From: benjaminez at gmail.com (Benjamin) Date: Mon Sep 26 17:43:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Fedora Core 4 and Internet Message-ID: <9a427b0805092616083b7c8808@mail.gmail.com> Thanks very much, Patrick and Geoff. I deleted my existing configuration and reconfigured via system-config-network, and it works perfectly now. -- Benjamin "Obey me, I am root." -Michael Crichton, Prey On 9/26/05, Patrick Barnes wrote: > Benjamin wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I know I'm a couple of months late, but I just upgraded my server to > >Fedora Core 4. Everything works so far as I can tell, except for some > >reason the server will not connect to the Internet. > > > >It's not the connection; I can get on the Web from another computer. > >It's not the Ethernet; the server is plugged in to the router and the > >router detects the server. And iptables isn't the problem either; I > >have disabled iptables without result. Loopback works fine, of > >course, but when I try to ping my router, I get: > > > >[me@box ~]$ ping 172.16.0.1 > >connect: Network is unreachable > > > >I can ping this address (and get a response) on a different computer. > > > >Anyone have any idea what's going on? > > > >I should mention that I did have to tell system-config-network (the > >network device configurer) to automatically get DNS information. I > >don't know if that has any bearing on the situation, though . . . Any > >Fedora users out there who want a more detailed description of what I > >did to the network settings just drop me a line. > > > >Thanks in advance. > >-- > >Benjamin > >"Obey me, I am root." > >-Michael Crichton, Prey > - Hide quoted text - > There have been problems with Fedora Core 3 > 4 upgrades that have been > caused by configuration options in > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth# that were set by FC3 causing > problems on FC4. I'm not entirely sure why this happens, but there are > two simple solutions: > > 1. Delete and reconfigure the interface from system-config-network. > 2. Go through the above named file and manually adjust options until you > find a configuration that works. > > Below is an example of one of my configurations. This is for a static > IP. You might also see options in your file for BROADCAST or NETWORK. > If so, try removing them. Options like HWADDR can be left alone. > Basically, don't specify anything you don't have to. To use a static > address, you'll also need to make sure that your /etc/resolv.conf > contains your DNS servers. > > DEVICE=eth0 > BOOTPROTO=none > ONBOOT=yes > TYPE=Ethernet > IPADDR=192.168.1.64 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > USERCTL=no > GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64@n-man.com > > www.n-man.com > -- From othniel at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 20:17:20 2005 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Mon Sep 26 18:51:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24b598f60509261717640631cf@mail.gmail.com> SATLUG: There is a totally new way of compiling the kernel in Fedora Core 4. I have documented it for the Computer Forensics Class I am taking at SAC and can present it at October's meeting if there is interest. Othniel Graichen On 9/25/05, Benjamin Temple wrote: > > I want to see a presentation about compiling a kernel. > > On 9/25/05, steve kolars wrote: > > > > What do you want to see for a presentation at the October SATLUG > > meeting? Let's start planning now. > > > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From bdubbs at swbell.net Mon Sep 26 23:01:54 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Sep 26 21:36:09 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <24b598f60509261717640631cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> <24b598f60509261717640631cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4338B622.10008@swbell.net> Othniel Graichen wrote: > SATLUG: > > There is a totally new way of compiling the kernel in Fedora Core 4. > I have documented it for the Computer Forensics Class I am taking > at SAC and can present it at October's meeting if there is interest. Really? Care to share a quick summary on the list? As far as I see, if you download the kernel source, at least up to 2.6.12.5, it is basically the same as always. -- Bruce From J at JVPappas.net Tue Sep 27 11:14:23 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 27 09:48:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <43381589.60503@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <20050926042540.58701.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <43381589.60503@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <1127834063.13228.40.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> I am using LVM on top of MD devices with both Reiser (no Reiser4) and ext3. My only issue is that my production experience is limited (Basically all theoretical/hobbyist). I have no experience with EVMS at all. Ideally by October, I hope to have played with LVM on MD Raid on MD Multipath, but do not have that yet. If there is anyone out there who can help me strengthen my weaknesses, we can put something together. John On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 10:36 -0500, steve kolars wrote: > John Pappas wrote: > >Since there has been recent discussion of Software RAID/LVM (File > >Servers, MythTV, etc) > > > >Maybe a discussion that covers: > >-- Concepts (RAID/LVM) > >-- Combining the concepts > >-- Effects on file systems > >-- pv/lv commmands > >-- EVMS additional functionality > >-- Shrink/Grow/Move volumes > > > >Thoughts? > >John > > > Anyone out there using Raid and/or LVM? Anyone have any experience with > Reiser4? Anyone feel like giving a presentation on Raid and/or LVM > and/or Reiser4? > > Steve > From tweeks at rackspace.com Tue Sep 27 16:52:47 2005 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Tue Sep 27 15:29:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace looking for Experienced Linux/BSD Sys-Admins... Message-ID: <200509271552.48041.tweeks@rackspace.com> Rackspace in "spin up mode" again.. We're at looking for hard core Linux/BSD geek-Administrators who are people friendly, who can communicate well and learn fast. All shifts are here in our San Antonio HQ at I10/Wurzbach. Check out the hot new recruiting video that we've got going on: http://www.rackspacecareers.com/life_culture.php Click on the "Learn More" video at the bottom. Cool stuff. The positions that I've been asked to find people for are Linux/BSD Sys-Admin types*... but we have other jobs too, ranging from sales to network security. They're all listed here: http://www.rackspace.com/aboutus/employment.php *For Linux, select "Information Technology - Linux System Administrator" For Windows, select "Information Technology - Linux System Windows" For Networking, "Information Technology - Networking" For Hardware, "Datacenter Operations - ..." We also have DBA, Backup Admins, programming/developer, sales, marketing and phone support positions. If you're interested... send a PDF or on line resume to: hire-me@theweeks.org L8ER.. Tweeks -- Thomas Weeks, Lead Sys. Engineer The Managed Hosting Specialist(TM) Rackspace Managed Hosting http://www.rackspace.com/ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Sep 27 23:54:12 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Tue Sep 27 22:28:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <433875B9.50903@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <3B414716F5F1274A89A19637DE17EF9201BA6E46@mssahq06.corp.valero.com> <433875B9.50903@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <200509272254.12193.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 26 September 2005 17:27, steve kolars wrote: > Yes, we had an excellent presentation a couple of months ago on the > kernel. Hopefully in November we will have a very good presentation on > MythTV. For October how about a volunteer to do raid, lvm, and/or reiser4. Yes Steve.. That would be a nice intro to LVM so that I don't have to spend so much time on it in my MythTV presentation. :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Sep 27 23:56:14 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Tue Sep 27 22:30:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <43381462.7090305@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <8i1gj15bsav6ctuc0vdi2v4fs9fbtk6sko@4ax.com> <43381462.7090305@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <200509272256.14518.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 26 September 2005 10:31, steve kolars wrote: > There is a possibility that Tom will be able to do a mythtv presentation > in November. Hopefully it will work out. If he does an encore plan on > being here very late. We did not get out of the XCSSA meeting until > 11:30 p.m. Hey now! We got out only 30 minutes late (10:30)... Now it may have SEEMED like 11:30.. and if so.. I'm sorry for that.. ;) > He had much more to show but we all had to get up the next > morning. Yes.. plus I need to clean up the presentation and add some more tidbits also. Is there anyway that I can get TWO projectors for the presentation? :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Sep 27 23:58:51 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Tue Sep 27 22:32:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <8i1gj15bsav6ctuc0vdi2v4fs9fbtk6sko@4ax.com> References: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <20050926132544.27615.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> <8i1gj15bsav6ctuc0vdi2v4fs9fbtk6sko@4ax.com> Message-ID: <200509272258.51843.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 26 September 2005 09:39, Don Wright wrote: > That was a topic at XCSSA last Monday. www.xcssa.org > Though I wouldn't mind an encore, I'd hate to ask him to tear apart his > home entertainment system again so soon. Although my wife doesn't like me doing it (she misses recording Malcome int he middle and the Simpsons), it was actually part of the arrangement that I struck with Wiley.. That I do these presentations using the hardware that they bought me. Good deal if you ask me.. and hey.. it gets the word out. :) > The presentation notes should be online Real Soon Now. --Don Uhh.. oh yeah.. I guess I better clean them up soon.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Sep 28 00:00:39 2005 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Tue Sep 27 22:34:50 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <20050926042540.58701.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050926042540.58701.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509272300.39802.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 25 September 2005 23:25, Mary Yatti wrote: > Steve, > > I suggest Troubleshooting Linux...I realize it's a > broad topic, but I can't think of anything else right > now... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/076456997X/ hehe.. couldn't resist.. Tweeks From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Sep 28 08:19:20 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Sep 28 06:52:49 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <200509272256.14518.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <8i1gj15bsav6ctuc0vdi2v4fs9fbtk6sko@4ax.com> <43381462.7090305@cis.sac.accd.edu> <200509272256.14518.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <433A8A48.4030401@cis.sac.accd.edu> tweeks wrote: >On Monday 26 September 2005 10:31, steve kolars wrote: > > >>There is a possibility that Tom will be able to do a mythtv presentation >>in November. Hopefully it will work out. If he does an encore plan on >>being here very late. We did not get out of the XCSSA meeting until >>11:30 p.m. >> > >Hey now! We got out only 30 minutes late (10:30)... Now it may have SEEMED >like 11:30.. and if so.. I'm sorry for that.. ;) > Actually, it was 11:30 p.m. However--not a single person complained. When there is a good presentation we do not mind staying. > >>He had much more to show but we all had to get up the next >>morning. >> > >Yes.. plus I need to clean up the presentation and add some more tidbits also. > >Is there anyway that I can get TWO projectors for the presentation? :) > >Tweeks >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Sep 28 22:27:28 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Sep 28 21:01:05 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <1127834063.13228.40.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <20050926042540.58701.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> <1127732108.26102.10.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <43381589.60503@cis.sac.accd.edu> <1127834063.13228.40.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <433B5110.3040304@cis.sac.accd.edu> John Pappas wrote: >I am using LVM on top of MD devices with both Reiser (no Reiser4) and >ext3. My only issue is that my production experience is limited >(Basically all theoretical/hobbyist). >I have no experience with EVMS at all. >Ideally by October, I hope to have played with LVM on MD Raid on MD >Multipath, but do not have that yet. > >If there is anyone out there who can help me strengthen my weaknesses, >we can put something together. > Hey Linux geeks... Someone needs to volunteer and help John out here. Actually... it would be helping the whole community. Steve >John > >On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 10:36 -0500, steve kolars wrote: > >>John Pappas wrote: >> >>>Since there has been recent discussion of Software RAID/LVM (File >>>Servers, MythTV, etc) >>> >>>Maybe a discussion that covers: >>>-- Concepts (RAID/LVM) >>>-- Combining the concepts >>>-- Effects on file systems >>>-- pv/lv commmands >>>-- EVMS additional functionality >>>-- Shrink/Grow/Move volumes >>> >>>Thoughts? >>>John >>> >>> >>Anyone out there using Raid and/or LVM? Anyone have any experience with >>Reiser4? Anyone feel like giving a presentation on Raid and/or LVM >>and/or Reiser4? >> >>Steve >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From othniel at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 00:58:57 2005 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Wed Sep 28 23:33:11 2005 Subject: Fwd: [SATLUG] October's Presentation In-Reply-To: <24b598f60509272142794f8536@mail.gmail.com> References: <4337214C.4020605@cis.sac.accd.edu> <368c881c0509251551f4113b3@mail.gmail.com> <24b598f60509261717640631cf@mail.gmail.com> <4338B622.10008@swbell.net> <24b598f60509272142794f8536@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24b598f60509282158236dccbf@mail.gmail.com> From: Othniel Graichen Date: Sep 27, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] October's Presentation To: Bruce Dubbs Sure Dr Dubbs: The gist is that there is no more kernel-source.rpm anymore. A new package has been created which contains all the kernel symbols which things like the nVidia driver now link against. You then build and install the kernel source tree rpm. Once you've installed that then you issue the commands to rebuild the kernel -- which have completely changed. I will demonstrate the QT-based GUI kernel options selection screen, and then configure vmware for NAT with the newly updated kernel and finish by running a captive Operating System -- like XP or 2K. Othniel Graichen SATLUG Pres. On 9/26/05, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Othniel Graichen wrote: > > SATLUG: > > > > There is a totally new way of compiling the kernel in Fedora Core 4. > > I have documented it for the Computer Forensics Class I am taking > > at SAC and can present it at October's meeting if there is interest. > > Really? Care to share a quick summary on the list? As far as I see, if > you download the kernel source, at least up to 2.6.12.5 , > it is basically > the same as always. > > -- Bruce > From solinym at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 04:16:56 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Sep 29 02:51:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Managing Log Files In-Reply-To: <4333F459.5080808@gmail.com> References: <20050921150259.8518516A99F@mail.ricos.com> <4333F459.5080808@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's worth looking into in some detail before settling on a solution. This site has all you need to know: http://www.loganalysis.org/ Native syslog does have some limitations. I find it frustrating that you can't cross-log between two hosts without creating a loop. Also, if you feel adventurous, Bruce Schneier had an interesting paper on secure logging in the 7th Usenix Security Symposium (free online). You can create logs that can't be edited by an attacker without detection unless he compromises an arbitrarily large number of collaborating hosts. -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From sbender at humana.com Thu Sep 29 08:29:48 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Thu Sep 29 07:04:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all, First I would like to say again that it was great to be able to meet some of you at the recent installfest. Second, I have been watching this website/group for the last 2 years (along with the linux distros) and am very impressed by the group. That being said.. I am not a web designer nor do I know web code. But the Satlug site needs ALOT of attention. The faxt that it can go weeks without an update is bad, really bad. The site really needs to be updated and more content added. If the goal of Satlug is to enrich our knowledge of Linux and bring new users to linux then a better front for the group is needed. Again, im not a web designer, but a new user who is telling you this from an outside viewpoint. I think this should be a priority for the qroup (IMHO). Hope I havent offended anyone. Shawn Bender Humana DSI The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From othniel at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 11:18:39 2005 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Thu Sep 29 09:52:54 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24b598f6050929081824e0c623@mail.gmail.com> Shawn: Thanks for the suggestion. If you have subscribed to the maillist, you will see where we place our efforts. The website is not our attraction, the maillist is. The website merely repeats some things that have already been discussed. We are planning some changes for the site, but they do NOT pertain to content. Thanks for your interest, Participate and have fun, Othniel On 9/29/05, Shawn Bender wrote: > > Hello all, > > First I would like to say again that it was great to be able to meet some > of you at the recent installfest. > Second, I have been watching this website/group for the last 2 years > (along with the linux distros) and am very impressed by the group. > That being said.. > > I am not a web designer nor do I know web code. But the Satlug site needs > ALOT of attention. The faxt that it can go weeks without an update is bad, > really bad. > The site really needs to be updated and more content added. > > If the goal of Satlug is to enrich our knowledge of Linux and bring new > users to linux then a better front for the group is needed. > > Again, im not a web designer, but a new user who is telling you this from > an outside viewpoint. > > I think this should be a priority for the qroup (IMHO). > > Hope I havent offended anyone. > > Shawn Bender > Humana DSI > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive > this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or > destroy the material/information. > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From othniel at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 11:25:56 2005 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Thu Sep 29 10:00:07 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain In-Reply-To: <433BBFCD.3010509@cisco.com> References: <433BBFCD.3010509@cisco.com> Message-ID: <24b598f605092908251a9694ab@mail.gmail.com> As President of SATLUG, I want to jump on this. We've got a month and a half to respond or SATLUG dies. We ought to discuss our consensus about reimbursing Mike at the next meeting. But I want to coordinate our response to this. All interested parties / volunteers / admins can contact me off-list at othniel@gmail.com Othniel Graichen SATLUG President On 9/29/05, Mike Hall wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am one of the original founders of SATLUG and the first President. I > have tried multiple times to pass the satlug domain to someone who still > lives in San Antonio and have always failed. I have paid for the domain > as a donation with my own money since it was first registered. > > It is up for renewal again. I do not plan to renew it again. I am sorry > to do this to the group, but I have been paying for it for the 6 years > that I have lived in Austin and I would like to stop. Since no one was > willing to transfer the domain before I have figured this is the only > way to make that happen. > > It is registered at register.com . I have unlocked > the domain and it is > eligible for transfer. The AUTH code for the domain is F5f55LA5 > > I can start the process of the transfer, but I need the first and last > name and the email address of the new owner. > > If no action is taken the domain will stop working on Nov 18th. > > - --Mike > > - -- > Mike Hall | mlhall@cisco.com | Mail Stop: AST03/1/ > 12515 Research Blvd. Bldg3 | Austin, TX 78759-2220 > (512) 378-1533 | (512) 378-1250 Fax > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFDO7/Nil+l9UamqasRAlN4AJ0ZbT5/ADVUIVEMmOTOAeiA2g3zKACgqiGt > eeLmB77SxGVw6fUihy8o1PE= > =Bx2N > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From storey at clamp.ws Thu Sep 29 11:29:39 2005 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Thu Sep 29 10:03:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person References: Message-ID: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> > Hello all, > > First I would like to say again that it was great to be able to meet some > of you at the recent installfest. > Second, I have been watching this website/group for the last 2 years > (along with the linux distros) and am very impressed by the group. > That being said.. > > I am not a web designer nor do I know web code. But the Satlug site needs > ALOT of attention. The faxt that it can go weeks without an update is bad, > really bad. > The site really needs to be updated and more content added. > > If the goal of Satlug is to enrich our knowledge of Linux and bring new > users to linux then a better front for the group is needed. > > Again, im not a web designer, but a new user who is telling you this from > an outside viewpoint. > > I think this should be a priority for the qroup (IMHO). > > Hope I havent offended anyone. > > Shawn Bender > Humana DSI > Thanks for your astute observation. I and numerous others have grumbled about this for months, and several talented volunteers have repeatedly offered to help, but those with editorial access to the web site are determinedly reluctant to share with any of the volunteers, so updates have to wait until they get around to it, usually two to four weeks late. Cheers, Storey Clamp From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 09:48:24 2005 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Sep 29 10:22:34 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain In-Reply-To: <24b598f605092908251a9694ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050929154824.39883.qmail@web54315.mail.yahoo.com> domain name registering is what $10-$15/yr? shouldnt be that big of a deal. We have more then 10-15 members..I'll pitch in $1 --- Othniel Graichen wrote: > As President of SATLUG, I want to jump on this. > > We've got a month and a half to respond or SATLUG > dies. > We ought to discuss our consensus about reimbursing > Mike > at the next meeting. But I want to coordinate our > response > to this. All interested parties / volunteers / > admins can > contact me off-list at > > othniel@gmail.com > > Othniel Graichen > SATLUG President > > On 9/29/05, Mike Hall wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I am one of the original founders of SATLUG and > the first President. I > > have tried multiple times to pass the satlug > domain to someone who still > > lives in San Antonio and have always failed. I > have paid for the domain > > as a donation with my own money since it was first > registered. > > > > It is up for renewal again. I do not plan to renew > it again. I am sorry > > to do this to the group, but I have been paying > for it for the 6 years > > that I have lived in Austin and I would like to > stop. Since no one was > > willing to transfer the domain before I have > figured this is the only > > way to make that happen. > > > > It is registered at register.com > . I have unlocked > > the domain and it is > > eligible for transfer. The AUTH code for the > domain is F5f55LA5 > > > > I can start the process of the transfer, but I > need the first and last > > name and the email address of the new owner. > > > > If no action is taken the domain will stop working > on Nov 18th. > > > > - --Mike > > > > - -- > > Mike Hall | mlhall@cisco.com | Mail Stop: AST03/1/ > > 12515 Research Blvd. Bldg3 | Austin, TX 78759-2220 > > (512) 378-1533 | (512) 378-1250 Fax > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > > > > > iD8DBQFDO7/Nil+l9UamqasRAlN4AJ0ZbT5/ADVUIVEMmOTOAeiA2g3zKACgqiGt > > eeLmB77SxGVw6fUihy8o1PE= > > =Bx2N > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 29 13:11:50 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 29 11:46:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> Thanks for your astute observation. I and numerous others have grumbled about this for months, and several talented volunteers have repeatedly offered to help, but those with editorial access to the web site are determinedly reluctant to share with any of the volunteers, so updates have to wait until they get around to it, usually two to four weeks late. Cheers, Storey Clamp Storey, Its not a choice to share access and there is no "editorial access". There is only the root access. The way this box was originally set up with very tight permissions -- you have to be root to get to the directory tree with the webserver files. I know -- I've tried editing the website files without going through the whole three login/three password process -- you can't do it. You have to go through the whole process and be root to edit the website. So, you can understand why we aren't eager to pass out access to a number of people -- it would entail giving root access to each of them. And once a multitude of people have root access -- it would be difficult to track who is doing what and who is responsible for what area. Again, we are working with Rackspace (our co-lo company) to get new hardware that fits their "standard hardware model". JUST as soon as we get it, we will load up the new server. With the new load, we will have some new tools available (like SE Linux) and we can provide access to different people to handle different parts of the website. Please don't try to rush the process. We don't want to irritate anyone at our FREE co-lo provider and possibly loose our sweetheart deal. And that somewhat goes the same for the admins. If we keep pushing them to go faster when they are doing the best they can -- they will punch out and leave us all stuck wondering what to do... Chuck Oh, P.S. -- The reason the box was locked up so tightly the last time it was built --> it was hacked back around 1999! Right after rebuilding the server due to a failed hard drive, some local user (yes, one of our members) hacked the box and gained root access. Our SysAdmins at the time caught it within 4 hours of it happening and took the box off-line. But when they rebuilt it -- they did everything they could to insure it wouldn't happen again. And you know the old saying -- the more secure you make it, the less user friendly it is. That DEFINITELY applies to this configuration!!!! From dmyhand at ednaisd.org Thu Sep 29 13:24:21 2005 From: dmyhand at ednaisd.org (Dennis Myhand) Date: Thu Sep 29 12:06:36 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] OT:300bps, n, 8, i(terminal mode or ascii download) Message-ID: <433C2345.80203@ednaisd.org> Recently this song title, "300bps, n, 8, i(terminal mode or ascii download)", popped up in the discussion on this list and someone listed the way to demodulate the track into a song. Could that person please send the instructions to me? I have the mp3 and I would like to do this. Thanks, Dennis From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Sep 29 13:43:24 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Sep 29 12:16:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <433C27BC.8090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Chuck wrote: > Thanks for your astute observation. I and numerous others have grumbled > about this for months, and several talented volunteers have repeatedly > offered to help, but those with editorial access to the web site are > determinedly reluctant to share with any of the volunteers, so updates have > to wait until they get around to it, usually two to four weeks late. > > Cheers, Storey Clamp > > >Storey, > >Its not a choice to share access and there is no "editorial access". >There is only the root access. The way this box was originally set up >with very tight permissions -- you have to be root to get to the >directory tree with the webserver files. I know -- I've tried editing >the website files without going through the whole three login/three >password process -- you can't do it. You have to go through the whole >process and be root to edit the website. > >So, you can understand why we aren't eager to pass out access to a >number of people -- it would entail giving root access to each of them. >And once a multitude of people have root access -- it would be difficult >to track who is doing what and who is responsible for what area. > >Again, we are working with Rackspace (our co-lo company) to get new >hardware that fits their "standard hardware model". JUST as soon as we >get it, we will load up the new server. With the new load, we will have >some new tools available (like SE Linux) and we can provide access to >different people to handle different parts of the website. > >Please don't try to rush the process. We don't want to irritate anyone >at our FREE co-lo provider and possibly loose our sweetheart deal. And >that somewhat goes the same for the admins. If we keep pushing them to >go faster when they are doing the best they can -- they will punch out >and leave us all stuck wondering what to do... > > > >Chuck > > > > >Oh, P.S. -- The reason the box was locked up so tightly the last time it >was built --> it was hacked back around 1999! Right after rebuilding >the server due to a failed hard drive, some local user (yes, one of our >members) hacked the box and gained root access. Our SysAdmins at the >time caught it within 4 hours of it happening and took the box >off-line. But when they rebuilt it -- they did everything they could to >insure it wouldn't happen again. And you know the old saying -- the >more secure you make it, the less user friendly it is. That DEFINITELY >applies to this configuration!!!! > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > We elect officers every year. In an all volunteer organization sometimes things do not happen as fast as they "might" in a business. Many people do different things. What do you (the group) think of a permanent person to keep the website up-to-date? I nominate Don Wright. Let's hear from everyone on what their opinions are. Steve From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Sep 29 13:46:07 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Sep 29 12:19:39 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain In-Reply-To: <24b598f605092908251a9694ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <433BBFCD.3010509@cisco.com> <24b598f605092908251a9694ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <433C285F.3020205@cis.sac.accd.edu> Othniel Graichen wrote: >As President of SATLUG, I want to jump on this. > >We've got a month and a half to respond or SATLUG dies. >We ought to discuss our consensus about reimbursing Mike >at the next meeting. But I want to coordinate our response >to this. All interested parties / volunteers / admins can >contact me off-list at > >othniel@gmail.com > >Othniel Graichen >SATLUG President > >On 9/29/05, Mike Hall wrote: > I am one of the original founders of SATLUG and the first President. I > have tried multiple times to pass the satlug domain to someone who still > lives in San Antonio and have always failed. I have paid for the domain > as a donation with my own money since it was first registered. > > It is up for renewal again. I do not plan to renew it again. I am sorry > to do this to the group, but I have been paying for it for the 6 years > that I have lived in Austin and I would like to stop. Since no one was > willing to transfer the domain before I have figured this is the only > way to make that happen. > > It is registered at register.com . I have unlocked > the domain and it is > eligible for transfer. The AUTH code for the domain is F5f55LA5 > > I can start the process of the transfer, but I need the first and last > name and the email address of the new owner. > > If no action is taken the domain will stop working on Nov 18th. > > --Mike > > -- > Mike Hall | mlhall@cisco.com | Mail Stop: AST03/1/ > 12515 Research Blvd. Bldg3 | Austin, TX 78759-2220 > (512) 378-1533 | (512) 378-1250 Fax We have money in the coffers. Can an oragnization take over the domain? If we have to have a person's name put Othneil's name on it. Why should we not use the SATLUG funds to pay for this? Steve >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From sbender at humana.com Thu Sep 29 13:49:09 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Thu Sep 29 12:23:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <433C27BC.8090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: I think that would be a good idea that one person be in-charge. I can understand the root access issue, but it going so long without an update or an "installfest" report or somthing to give the site more apperiance and apeal is bad for the group as a whole. Shawn Bender Humana DSI steve kolars Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 09/29/2005 12:43 PM Please respond to "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" To "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" cc Subject Re: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person Chuck wrote: > Thanks for your astute observation. I and numerous others have grumbled > about this for months, and several talented volunteers have repeatedly > offered to help, but those with editorial access to the web site are > determinedly reluctant to share with any of the volunteers, so updates have > to wait until they get around to it, usually two to four weeks late. > > Cheers, Storey Clamp > > >Storey, > >Its not a choice to share access and there is no "editorial access". >There is only the root access. The way this box was originally set up >with very tight permissions -- you have to be root to get to the >directory tree with the webserver files. I know -- I've tried editing >the website files without going through the whole three login/three >password process -- you can't do it. You have to go through the whole >process and be root to edit the website. > >So, you can understand why we aren't eager to pass out access to a >number of people -- it would entail giving root access to each of them. >And once a multitude of people have root access -- it would be difficult >to track who is doing what and who is responsible for what area. > >Again, we are working with Rackspace (our co-lo company) to get new >hardware that fits their "standard hardware model". JUST as soon as we >get it, we will load up the new server. With the new load, we will have >some new tools available (like SE Linux) and we can provide access to >different people to handle different parts of the website. > >Please don't try to rush the process. We don't want to irritate anyone >at our FREE co-lo provider and possibly loose our sweetheart deal. And >that somewhat goes the same for the admins. If we keep pushing them to >go faster when they are doing the best they can -- they will punch out >and leave us all stuck wondering what to do... > > > >Chuck > > > > >Oh, P.S. -- The reason the box was locked up so tightly the last time it >was built --> it was hacked back around 1999! Right after rebuilding >the server due to a failed hard drive, some local user (yes, one of our >members) hacked the box and gained root access. Our SysAdmins at the >time caught it within 4 hours of it happening and took the box >off-line. But when they rebuilt it -- they did everything they could to >insure it wouldn't happen again. And you know the old saying -- the >more secure you make it, the less user friendly it is. That DEFINITELY >applies to this configuration!!!! > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > We elect officers every year. In an all volunteer organization sometimes things do not happen as fast as they "might" in a business. Many people do different things. What do you (the group) think of a permanent person to keep the website up-to-date? I nominate Don Wright. Let's hear from everyone on what their opinions are. Steve _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Sep 29 13:53:19 2005 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Sep 29 12:27:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <20050929175319.GA3990@mail.fortuitous.com> On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 12:11:50PM -0500, Chuck wrote: > Thanks for your astute observation. I and numerous others have grumbled > about this for months, and several talented volunteers have repeatedly > Storey, > > Its not a choice to share access and there is no "editorial access". > There is only the root access. The way this box was originally set up > with very tight permissions -- you have to be root to get to the > directory tree with the webserver files. I know -- I've tried editing > the website files without going through the whole three login/three Why not just setup the web files under a dedicated user account? That would be more secure than requiring root to edit web files. -p .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From nick at opgsa.com Thu Sep 29 13:59:16 2005 From: nick at opgsa.com (Nick Benedetto) Date: Thu Sep 29 12:33:27 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain Message-ID: <78F98DDFA2BE0940A80AF8D13D444883283446@opg-central.com> What is the actual cost per year? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Alex Bartonek Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:48 AM To: Othniel Graichen; The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain domain name registering is what $10-$15/yr? shouldnt be that big of a deal. We have more then 10-15 members..I'll pitch in $1 --- Othniel Graichen wrote: > As President of SATLUG, I want to jump on this. > > We've got a month and a half to respond or SATLUG > dies. > We ought to discuss our consensus about reimbursing > Mike > at the next meeting. But I want to coordinate our > response > to this. All interested parties / volunteers / > admins can > contact me off-list at > > othniel@gmail.com > > Othniel Graichen > SATLUG President > > On 9/29/05, Mike Hall wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I am one of the original founders of SATLUG and > the first President. I > > have tried multiple times to pass the satlug > domain to someone who still > > lives in San Antonio and have always failed. I > have paid for the domain > > as a donation with my own money since it was first > registered. > > > > It is up for renewal again. I do not plan to renew > it again. I am sorry > > to do this to the group, but I have been paying > for it for the 6 years > > that I have lived in Austin and I would like to > stop. Since no one was > > willing to transfer the domain before I have > figured this is the only > > way to make that happen. > > > > It is registered at register.com > . I have unlocked > > the domain and it is > > eligible for transfer. The AUTH code for the > domain is F5f55LA5 > > > > I can start the process of the transfer, but I > need the first and last > > name and the email address of the new owner. > > > > If no action is taken the domain will stop working > on Nov 18th. > > > > - --Mike > > > > - -- > > Mike Hall | mlhall@cisco.com | Mail Stop: AST03/1/ > > 12515 Research Blvd. Bldg3 | Austin, TX 78759-2220 > > (512) 378-1533 | (512) 378-1250 Fax > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > > > > > iD8DBQFDO7/Nil+l9UamqasRAlN4AJ0ZbT5/ADVUIVEMmOTOAeiA2g3zKACgqiGt > > eeLmB77SxGVw6fUihy8o1PE= > > =Bx2N > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 14:53:14 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Sep 29 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: References: <433C27BC.8090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <4154519d05092911531e4e51c4@mail.gmail.com> The problem with the one "person in charge" philosophy is that it doesn't work. It's because there's only one person in charge that we're even having this discussion. When the one person in change is unable to have the time to work with the web site, we're back where we started. -Mike > I think that would be a good idea that one person be in-charge. I can > understand the root access issue, but it going so long without an update > or an "installfest" report or somthing to give the site more apperiance > and apeal is bad for the group as a whole. From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 15:01:48 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Sep 29 13:35:59 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <24b598f6050929081824e0c623@mail.gmail.com> References: <24b598f6050929081824e0c623@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d050929120131f94828@mail.gmail.com> > Thanks for the suggestion. If you have subscribed to the maillist, you > will see where we place our efforts. The website is not our attraction, > the maillist is. That may be your opinion, but there are others of us who think that the web site is more than just a red-headed step child to the mailing list. Sure, I agree that the mailing list is by far the most important feature of SATLUG, but that doesn't necessarily mean that other aspects of the organization can be totally ignored. I don't mean to cause a fuss, but the web site either needs to be updated and kept up to date or the web site needs to be stripped of nearly everything except the mailing list archives and the date of the next meeting. -Mike From J at JVPappas.net Thu Sep 29 15:24:10 2005 From: J at JVPappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Sep 29 13:58:18 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <24b598f6050929081824e0c623@mail.gmail.com> References: <24b598f6050929081824e0c623@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128021850.7991.57.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> If that is the case, I will go along with all of the others that have grumbled about the site. If content is not viewed as important, I suggest that we follow the model set up by www.ThinkWiki.org. I have found that it is an indispensable site for running Linux on my ThinkPad. It is user maintainable and does not suffer from the SPoF that the current system has. There has been a great number of suggestions posted to address the content management issues on the list recently, so I guess this one will just be added to the previous suggestions! Thanks! John On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 10:18 -0500, Othniel Graichen wrote: > Shawn: > > Thanks for the suggestion. If you have subscribed to the maillist, you > will see where we place our efforts. The website is not our attraction, > the maillist is. The website merely repeats some things that have > already been discussed. We are planning some changes for the site, > but they do NOT pertain to content. > > Thanks for your interest, > Participate and have fun, > Othniel > > On 9/29/05, Shawn Bender wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > First I would like to say again that it was great to be able to meet some > > of you at the recent installfest. > > Second, I have been watching this website/group for the last 2 years > > (along with the linux distros) and am very impressed by the group. > > That being said.. > > > > I am not a web designer nor do I know web code. But the Satlug site needs > > ALOT of attention. The faxt that it can go weeks without an update is bad, > > really bad. > > The site really needs to be updated and more content added. > > > > If the goal of Satlug is to enrich our knowledge of Linux and bring new > > users to linux then a better front for the group is needed. > > > > Again, im not a web designer, but a new user who is telling you this from > > an outside viewpoint. > > > > I think this should be a priority for the qroup (IMHO). > > > > Hope I havent offended anyone. > > > > Shawn Bender > > Humana DSI > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > > which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive > > this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or > > destroy the material/information. > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From lblodgett at macosx.com Thu Sep 29 17:58:18 2005 From: lblodgett at macosx.com (Larry Blodgett) Date: Thu Sep 29 16:32:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain In-Reply-To: <78F98DDFA2BE0940A80AF8D13D444883283446@opg-central.com> References: <78F98DDFA2BE0940A80AF8D13D444883283446@opg-central.com> Message-ID: How about. godaddy transfers are $7.98 http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/default.asp Larry On Sep 29, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Nick Benedetto wrote: > What is the actual cost per year? > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf Of Alex Bartonek > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:48 AM > To: Othniel Graichen; The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain > > domain name registering is what $10-$15/yr? shouldnt > be that big of a deal. We have more then 10-15 > members..I'll pitch in $1 > > --- Othniel Graichen wrote: > >> As President of SATLUG, I want to jump on this. >> >> We've got a month and a half to respond or SATLUG >> dies. >> We ought to discuss our consensus about reimbursing >> Mike >> at the next meeting. But I want to coordinate our >> response >> to this. All interested parties / volunteers / >> admins can >> contact me off-list at >> >> othniel@gmail.com >> >> Othniel Graichen >> SATLUG President >> >> On 9/29/05, Mike Hall wrote: >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> I am one of the original founders of SATLUG and >> the first President. I >>> have tried multiple times to pass the satlug >> domain to someone who still >>> lives in San Antonio and have always failed. I >> have paid for the domain >>> as a donation with my own money since it was first >> registered. >>> >>> It is up for renewal again. I do not plan to renew >> it again. I am sorry >>> to do this to the group, but I have been paying >> for it for the 6 years >>> that I have lived in Austin and I would like to >> stop. Since no one was >>> willing to transfer the domain before I have >> figured this is the only >>> way to make that happen. >>> >>> It is registered at register.com >> . I have unlocked >>> the domain and it is >>> eligible for transfer. The AUTH code for the >> domain is F5f55LA5 >>> >>> I can start the process of the transfer, but I >> need the first and last >>> name and the email address of the new owner. >>> >>> If no action is taken the domain will stop working >> on Nov 18th. >>> >>> - --Mike >>> >>> - -- >>> Mike Hall | mlhall@cisco.com | Mail Stop: AST03/1/ >>> 12515 Research Blvd. Bldg3 | Austin, TX 78759-2220 >>> (512) 378-1533 | (512) 378-1250 Fax >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) >>> >>> >> > iD8DBQFDO7/Nil+l9UamqasRAlN4AJ0ZbT5/ADVUIVEMmOTOAeiA2g3zKACgqiGt >>> eeLmB77SxGVw6fUihy8o1PE= >>> =Bx2N >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: > 9/23/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: > 9/23/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 29 18:50:36 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 29 17:24:45 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain In-Reply-To: References: <78F98DDFA2BE0940A80AF8D13D444883283446@opg-central.com> Message-ID: <1128034237.9157.471.camel@laptop> How did you know Larry??? Go Daddy is who I used to do the transfer this morning. Chuck On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 16:58, Larry Blodgett wrote: How about. godaddy transfers are $7.98 http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/default.asp Larry On Sep 29, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Nick Benedetto wrote: > What is the actual cost per year? > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf Of Alex Bartonek > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:48 AM > To: Othniel Graichen; The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain > > domain name registering is what $10-$15/yr? shouldnt > be that big of a deal. We have more then 10-15 > members..I'll pitch in $1 > > --- Othniel Graichen wrote: > >> As President of SATLUG, I want to jump on this. >> >> We've got a month and a half to respond or SATLUG >> dies. >> We ought to discuss our consensus about reimbursing >> Mike >> at the next meeting. But I want to coordinate our >> response >> to this. All interested parties / volunteers / >> admins can >> contact me off-list at >> >> othniel@gmail.com >> >> Othniel Graichen >> SATLUG President >> >> On 9/29/05, Mike Hall wrote: >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> I am one of the original founders of SATLUG and >> the first President. I >>> have tried multiple times to pass the satlug >> domain to someone who still >>> lives in San Antonio and have always failed. I >> have paid for the domain >>> as a donation with my own money since it was first >> registered. >>> >>> It is up for renewal again. I do not plan to renew >> it again. I am sorry >>> to do this to the group, but I have been paying >> for it for the 6 years >>> that I have lived in Austin and I would like to >> stop. Since no one was >>> willing to transfer the domain before I have >> figured this is the only >>> way to make that happen. >>> >>> It is registered at register.com >> . I have unlocked >>> the domain and it is >>> eligible for transfer. The AUTH code for the >> domain is F5f55LA5 >>> >>> I can start the process of the transfer, but I >> need the first and last >>> name and the email address of the new owner. >>> >>> If no action is taken the domain will stop working >> on Nov 18th. >>> >>> - --Mike >>> >>> - -- >>> Mike Hall | mlhall@cisco.com | Mail Stop: AST03/1/ >>> 12515 Research Blvd. Bldg3 | Austin, TX 78759-2220 >>> (512) 378-1533 | (512) 378-1250 Fax >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) >>> >>> >> > iD8DBQFDO7/Nil+l9UamqasRAlN4AJ0ZbT5/ADVUIVEMmOTOAeiA2g3zKACgqiGt >>> eeLmB77SxGVw6fUihy8o1PE= >>> =Bx2N >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: > 9/23/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: > 9/23/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From theoneghost at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 20:13:36 2005 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Thu Sep 29 18:47:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Site Upkeep Message-ID: Hey guys, I think you should give the site a higher priority because thats where I send people at my high school. When they ask me about LINUX, I tell them about your website. Thats the first place I tell them to go. I tell them if they have a question, sign up on the mailing list or check out the next meeting. Sometimes it gets a little hectic when they ask me when it is and flood me with questions. As a newbie in LINUX, I can't answer some of the questions. If nothing else, this is just another reason to give the site more time. -- - Seth From scs at wireweb.net Thu Sep 29 21:05:54 2005 From: scs at wireweb.net (scs@wireweb.net) Date: Thu Sep 29 19:42:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Newbie Help (Re: Seth Sanchez ~ Site Upkeep) Message-ID: In addition to SATLUG, www.linuxquestions.org is a good site for newbie (and others), covers most distro's, and many times your answer is there waiting for you (someone else asked the same question). Site upkeep and agenda has been extensively addressed herein (SATLUG archives). From leif at paisd.net Thu Sep 29 21:43:50 2005 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Thu Sep 29 19:57:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] satlug.net Message-ID: Perhaps someone could host an alternative site to allow a more progressive web management style and just link to the archives. These names are available for a fair price at Godaddy: This domain name IS AVAILABLE: SATLUG.NET $8.95*/yr You might also consider these domain names: SATLUGONLINE.NET SATLUGHOME.NET SATLUGSITE.NET SATLUGNET.NET FIRSTSATLUG.NET BESTSATLUG.NET NEWSATLUG.NET MYSATLUG.NET THESATLUG.NET OFFICIALSATLUG.NET -- Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 From bdubbs at swbell.net Thu Sep 29 22:06:28 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Sep 29 20:40:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net> Chuck wrote: > Its not a choice to share access and there is no "editorial access". > There is only the root access. It doesn't have to be that way. The LinuxFromScratch web site has numerous editors that can update the web site, but only a select few that have root access. It has been that way for about six years with worldwide visibility, several virtual web sites, several mailing lists, two svn repositories, and about sixty shell accounts. We have never had a compromise. Linux has this thing called "groups". Lets use it. -- Bruce From bdubbs at swbell.net Thu Sep 29 22:09:47 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Sep 29 20:43:53 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain In-Reply-To: <433C285F.3020205@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <433BBFCD.3010509@cisco.com> <24b598f605092908251a9694ab@mail.gmail.com> <433C285F.3020205@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <433C9E6B.6080405@swbell.net> steve kolars wrote: > We have money in the coffers. Can an oragnization take over the > domain? If we have to have a person's name put Othneil's name on it. > Why should we not use the SATLUG funds to pay for this? A couple of years ago I was able to get 10 years of a domain registration for $150 from network solutions. That included DNS setup. SATLUG should look at getting a multiyear domain name registration. -- Bruce From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Sep 29 22:35:30 2005 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Sep 29 21:09:41 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <433C27BC.8090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> <433C27BC.8090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:43:24 -0500, steve kolars wrote: >We elect officers every year. In an all volunteer organization >sometimes things do not happen as fast as they "might" in a business. >Many people do different things. What do you (the group) think of a >permanent person to keep the website up-to-date? I nominate Don >Wright. Let's hear from everyone on what their opinions are. Let's not get ahead of things. For reasons which I will not go into here, I must firmly decline any responsibility above the minimal member level. --Don From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 29 22:42:54 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 29 21:17:04 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> That sounds almost like a volunteer?!?!?! You offering to rebuild/build new??? Chuck On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 21:06, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Chuck wrote: > Its not a choice to share access and there is no "editorial access". > There is only the root access. It doesn't have to be that way. The LinuxFromScratch web site has numerous editors that can update the web site, but only a select few that have root access. It has been that way for about six years with worldwide visibility, several virtual web sites, several mailing lists, two svn repositories, and about sixty shell accounts. We have never had a compromise. Linux has this thing called "groups". Lets use it. -- Bruce _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 29 22:44:55 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 29 21:19:03 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG domain In-Reply-To: <433C9E6B.6080405@swbell.net> References: <433BBFCD.3010509@cisco.com> <24b598f605092908251a9694ab@mail.gmail.com> <433C285F.3020205@cis.sac.accd.edu> <433C9E6B.6080405@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1128048296.9145.479.camel@laptop> That's why this morning, I recommended a 10year registration to the BOD. But I can't take action on my own -- I have to wait for a consensus/decision from the officers. Chuck On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 21:09, Bruce Dubbs wrote: steve kolars wrote: > We have money in the coffers. Can an oragnization take over the > domain? If we have to have a person's name put Othneil's name on it. > Why should we not use the SATLUG funds to pay for this? A couple of years ago I was able to get 10 years of a domain registration for $150 from network solutions. That included DNS setup. SATLUG should look at getting a multiyear domain name registration. -- Bruce _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jtiner at gvtc.com Thu Sep 29 23:50:09 2005 From: jtiner at gvtc.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Sep 29 22:19:25 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net> <1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1128052209.8788.47.camel@linux.tiner.org> I'm sure that I could offer up some time for this effort. However, I would still want to go with a content management system so that there could be several maintainers that would only need an account to the CMS software and not to the system. It would also allow for a many to write stories and a smaller subset to be editors so that the content could be controlled. On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 21:42 -0500, Chuck wrote: > That sounds almost like a volunteer?!?!?! You offering to rebuild/build > new??? > > > Chuck > > > > > On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 21:06, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Chuck wrote: > > > Its not a choice to share access and there is no "editorial access". > > There is only the root access. > > It doesn't have to be that way. The LinuxFromScratch web site has > numerous editors that can update the web site, but only a select few > that have root access. It has been that way for about six years with > worldwide visibility, several virtual web sites, several mailing lists, > two svn repositories, and about sixty shell accounts. We have never had > a compromise. > > Linux has this thing called "groups". Lets use it. > > -- Bruce > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From bdubbs at swbell.net Fri Sep 30 02:06:18 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Sep 30 00:40:31 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net> <1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <433CD5DA.7050909@swbell.net> Chuck wrote: > That sounds almost like a volunteer?!?!?! You offering to rebuild/build > new??? Well that's up to the SATLUG officers or perhaps the full membership, but sure, I can set up a LFS system for SATLUG. -- Bruce From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Sep 30 03:00:26 2005 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Sep 30 01:34:35 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <433CD5DA.7050909@swbell.net> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net> <1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> <433CD5DA.7050909@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1128063629.9145.514.camel@laptop> As you probably know, Tweeks offered to help us load their RedHat Enterprise 4 on our new hardware. That of course would bring some advantages -- like Rackspace knowing how to help us if we need it, and being able to automatically update with the RH updater. On the other hand, I sure like the advantage of knowing exactly what on the box and what's running at any time. The kind of benefits you get with a LFS system. And of course, there are also the benefits of knowing your sourcecode, not having any little wizards running in the background eating up cycles, and only installing what is required on the system versus what someone else thinks everybody needs. The only problem with a LFS system is support. We won't have as many people able to help with a LFS system versus a standard RedHat system. And of course, that includes Rackspace people. We could only get minimal local support from them, if any. So, the BOD has to weigh the PROs/CONs of each option and decide on a course of action. I know Tweeks will help us, no matter which way we go. And while we are awaiting hardware, we should be making the decisions like this -- what distro to load, what software to put on it, and how we are going to handle the access to different portions of the website for upkeep purposes. Chuck On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 01:06, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Chuck wrote: > That sounds almost like a volunteer?!?!?! You offering to rebuild/build > new??? Well that's up to the SATLUG officers or perhaps the full membership, but sure, I can set up a LFS system for SATLUG. -- Bruce _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From solinym at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 03:01:17 2005 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Sep 30 01:35:29 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <433CD5DA.7050909@swbell.net> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net> <1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> <433CD5DA.7050909@swbell.net> Message-ID: I second the wiki approach. I'm using moinmoin, and willing to set it up. Then anyone can edit it (or roll back any malicious changes). It works for wikipedia, it can work for us. Then, anyone can update the date for the next meeting, which means it will be correct more frequently. Currently it seems to always show the date of the previous meeting, which is not helpful. If it can't show the date of the NEXT meeting, show the ALGORITHM to calculate it. This is much more helpful than the date of the LAST meeting. Currently the home page does NOT appear to show the algorithm for calculating the dates of the meeting. You should not have to hunt around in sub-pages to get the algorithm (second wednesday of the month). -- http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 50A1 15C5 A9DE 23B9 ED98 C93E 38E9 204A 94C2 641B From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Fri Sep 30 07:00:59 2005 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Fri Sep 30 05:35:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <1128063629.9145.514.camel@laptop> Message-ID: I think I understand the concerns of the BOD, but I also understand that "beggars can't be choosers" and if RackSpace is offering their hardware and software for free, along with any level of support, it seems to me that SATLUG needs to accept the "CONS" unless they(we) are ready and willing to pay for everything. Free, in this case, means some compromises and from what I have seen Tweeks and the gang at RackSpace have SATLUGs best interest in mind and have nothing to gain from creating problems for SATLUG. We may not get the "preferred" *nix of all the powers to be, but to me, the pros to having the Donated resources of Rackspace more than outweigh the cons of such an arrangement. My nickle's worth (after watching this debate for more than a year) Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:00 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person As you probably know, Tweeks offered to help us load their RedHat Enterprise 4 on our new hardware. That of course would bring some advantages -- like Rackspace knowing how to help us if we need it, and being able to automatically update with the RH updater. On the other hand, I sure like the advantage of knowing exactly what on the box and what's running at any time. The kind of benefits you get with a LFS system. And of course, there are also the benefits of knowing your sourcecode, not having any little wizards running in the background eating up cycles, and only installing what is required on the system versus what someone else thinks everybody needs. The only problem with a LFS system is support. We won't have as many people able to help with a LFS system versus a standard RedHat system. And of course, that includes Rackspace people. We could only get minimal local support from them, if any. So, the BOD has to weigh the PROs/CONs of each option and decide on a course of action. I know Tweeks will help us, no matter which way we go. And while we are awaiting hardware, we should be making the decisions like this -- what distro to load, what software to put on it, and how we are going to handle the access to different portions of the website for upkeep purposes. Chuck On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 01:06, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Chuck wrote: > That sounds almost like a volunteer?!?!?! You offering to rebuild/build > new??? Well that's up to the SATLUG officers or perhaps the full membership, but sure, I can set up a LFS system for SATLUG. -- Bruce _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From sbender at humana.com Fri Sep 30 08:03:49 2005 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Fri Sep 30 06:38:23 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all. Im glad to see this being taken so seriously. For me and many other "NooBs" Its very important that we have a way of getting help when we need it. This includes the website. In my mind we need HOWTO's , Pros and Cons of the more popular distros (perhaps writen by our various users) , A forum section, and links to downloadable RPMS and DEB packages. We also need to have Linux News ans Satlug news to keep people informed. I really think that SATLUG has a good chance here to reach out to the computing comunity at large and bring more new people in. Since it looks like M$ is going to go to a system that is going to be way to expensive and exclusionary, we can show people that there is a better alternitive that wont kill their bank accounts! I know the mailing list is the way the group has been doing things, but as a "NooB" ,it is important to me to try to get things and do things myself and THEN ask the question. This is where I feel that SATLUG could be a great tool for the San Antonio Linux users and bring more new users to the "Good Side" of computing. Shawn Bender Humana DSI The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From storey at clamp.ws Fri Sep 30 09:29:18 2005 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Fri Sep 30 08:03:37 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com><1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net><1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> <433CD5DA.7050909@swbell.net> <1128063629.9145.514.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <000601c5c5c2$f747c3d0$7ec6e604@aaron> > > So, the BOD has to weigh the PROs/CONs of each option and decide on a > course of action. I know Tweeks will help us, no matter which way we > go. And while we are awaiting hardware, we should be making the > decisions like this -- what distro to load, what software to put on it, > and how we are going to handle the access to different portions of the > website for upkeep purposes. > I assume the next BOD quarterly meeting will be in October. Will these decisions be made then? Or will we have to wait for the December General Membership Meeting when the members can rise in arms and make the decisions themselves. The website is now 16 days out of date, and counting......... Storey Clamp From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 30 09:57:04 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Sep 30 08:33:13 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2346.208.191.193.29.1128088624.squirrel@208.191.193.29> > Hello all. > > Im glad to see this being taken so seriously. For me and many other > "NooBs" Its very important that we have a way of getting help when we > need it. This includes the website. In my mind we need HOWTO's , Pros and > Cons of the more popular distros (perhaps writen by our various users) , A > forum section, and links to downloadable RPMS and DEB packages. We also > need to have Linux News ans Satlug news to keep people informed. Even though much of that info is available scattered about the net, you're totally right. I'm involved with other groups that are mostly "virtual", where the meetings, maybe 10-20 humans show up, but on the net there are 100s or 1000s of active members. It would be nice to have a cms/forum/portal to form a virtual community. The amount of information exchanged in those other groups is tremendous, if you're a newb in those groups, you can spend hours reading the site, getting to know the layout, the personalities, absorbing information and doing searches for recommendations and hints. People post news links, photos, materially related funny stuff, their latest trials & tribulations, organize small informal events and meetings, yada yada yada. it's great! A portal/cms/forum facilitate these types of exchanges. I visit motorcycle, gun, art, and architecture portals/forums, and I pull/push so much from them in a short time. The sites have forums you can browse, articles you can read, calendars, links to sponsors that you'd actually use to buy stuff/services. for-sale threads, "let's get together informally at i-hop threads", etc etc etc. And even though the regulars on the satlug list are awesome at answering questions, our little list seems to barely have a pulse at times. (this is the most life I've seen in...years?) I definitely vote for a forum, cms, etc, the whole 9 yards. I think the experience would be highly positive. I see nothing but upside, almost no downside. Kernel developers need a maillist. (a somewhat uniform group) A large group of enthusiasts, from newb to pro, with widely varying viewpoints and interests could use something different. I only say cms/forum cause that's the only thing i know, if there's something better, by all means let's investigate that too. e From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 09:59:43 2005 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nathan Turnage) Date: Fri Sep 30 08:34:01 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <1128052209.8788.47.camel@linux.tiner.org> References: <000f01c5c50a$9bbe9330$5901000a@bridgeheadnetworks.com> <1128013911.12707.442.camel@laptop> <433C9DA4.1020505@swbell.net> <1128048175.9157.475.camel@laptop> <1128052209.8788.47.camel@linux.tiner.org> Message-ID: I am pretty good with CSS. I can help out with some of the design and stylesheets. Nathan Turnage Production Artist / Web Designer Anderson Marketing Group 210.223.6233 main 210.230.6771 direct On Sep 29, 2005, at 10:50 PM, James Tiner wrote: > I'm sure that I could offer up some time for this effort. However, I > would still want to go with a content management system so that there > could be several maintainers that would only need an account to the CMS > software and not to the system. It would also allow for a many to write > stories and a smaller subset to be editors so that the content could be > controlled. > > > On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 21:42 -0500, Chuck wrote: >> That sounds almost like a volunteer?!?!?! You offering to >> rebuild/build >> new??? >> >> >> Chuck >> From fhuddles at yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 11:00:28 2005 From: fhuddles at yahoo.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Fri Sep 30 09:37:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear SATLug members, I agree that the website should receive some attention. However, I have watched this issue grow and shrink at least once before in the time I've been watching the list; it's like some kind of pulsar star. It usually starts with the observation that the date of the next meeting isn't even posted, then there is general agreement that some work needs to be done, and pretty soon it grows into a huge discussion of new servers and their possible configurations and locations, different linux distributions that could be used, CSS and HTML authoring issues, source code control systems, document control systems, etc. In other words, a great big group discussion that becomes a huge, unweildy project, and the result is that... nothing gets done about the original issue, which was some simple updates. Just looking at the site, it doesn't look like a very big or complicated site, and most of it appears to be static. The dynamic part is very small, and the information in that seems to need to be changed only monthly. I can't believe it would take someone more than an hour a month to keep the thing reasonably current. Might I suggest what they used to call a "phased approach", back when I still had a job? 1. Just get someone to update the next meeting, next installfest, computer show, etc. dates, and additionally state any defafult scheduling algorithms. Pick two people, if you want; yes, why not put them in a group, and set file permissions/ACLs accordingly? One of the maintainers should be able to see at a glance whether the other has updated the information. 2. Have the great group project/techfest/brouhaha about a spanking new server/distro/document mgt. system at your leisure. Enjoy it. Savor it. At least in the meantime we'll be able to get current information. I'm sure the steps, especially step 2, could be enlarged upon, perhaps infinitely in the case of step 2, but that should be the fun part. Regards, Frank Huddleston From mikeaw at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 11:48:00 2005 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Fri Sep 30 10:22:11 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4154519d0509300848h3ca87102wd1341d42b63ec38d@mail.gmail.com> The main issue here is that each of us in SATLUG has a different idea about what's important and what's valuable to the group. Newbs see the world differently than the gurus. System admins see the world differently than programmers. The casual enthusiast sees the world differently than kernel developer. SATLUG needs to take the desires of the individual members and make a decision about how important the issues are and decide if it will be something of benefit to many of the members. Despite the number of us who have asked that the web site and who have volunteered (including myself) to take up the task, SATLUG hasn't proposed any solutions to the problem, only excuses. Until SATLUG gets out of the "making excuses" mentality, nothing will happen. I understand that some of the problems faced with the web site and server are not easy to solve, but that also is not an excuse. If SATLUG decides that the web site isn't important, that's fine, but I haven't heard SATLUG say anything one way or the other. Besides, this isn't really a big issue. There are plenty of other places on the Internet where we can get information. I've been directing people to those other places for some time now. I only mention SATLUG when I know that one of the people on the mailing list is an expert in the area that the question is about. -Mike On 9/30/05, Shawn Bender wrote: > Im glad to see this being taken so seriously. For me and many other > "NooBs" Its very important that we have a way of getting help when we > need it. This includes the website. From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 30 14:49:00 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Sep 30 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] debian version question Message-ID: <3940.208.191.193.29.1128106140.squirrel@208.191.193.29> setup a debian box 1.5 years ago, i installed from a sarge iso. the apt config says "testing". am i still running a "sarge" box, or is it now a "etch" box? now that i'm on the subject, how do you find out the version of various distros? It's something I normally don't need to do, but there have been a few times, when I'd like to know which version of a distro was installed. ~e From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 15:32:37 2005 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Sep 30 14:06:46 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] debian version question In-Reply-To: <3940.208.191.193.29.1128106140.squirrel@208.191.193.29> References: <3940.208.191.193.29.1128106140.squirrel@208.191.193.29> Message-ID: <345e55a50509301232j707ad62yb59af98882c0b581@mail.gmail.com> You are probably running a "testing" box. The file /etc/issue normally has a notice in there that is shown when you log on to a terminal. Mine says "testing/unstable". Etch hasn't been released yet so what will become Etch is in unstable. The real thing that determines it is when the last time you did an apt-get|aptitude update apt-get|aptitude [dist-]upgrade Regards, Greg On 9/30/05, Eli wrote: > > setup a debian box 1.5 years ago, i installed from a sarge iso. > > the apt config says "testing". > > am i still running a "sarge" box, or is it now a "etch" box? > > now that i'm on the subject, how do you find out the version of various > distros? > > It's something I normally don't need to do, but there have been a few > times, when I'd like to know which version of a distro was installed. > > ~e > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From pac at fortuitous.com Fri Sep 30 15:36:17 2005 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Fri Sep 30 14:10:22 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] debian version question In-Reply-To: <3940.208.191.193.29.1128106140.squirrel@208.191.193.29> References: <3940.208.191.193.29.1128106140.squirrel@208.191.193.29> Message-ID: <20050930193617.GA9380@mail.fortuitous.com> On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 01:49:00PM -0500, Eli wrote: > setup a debian box 1.5 years ago, i installed from a sarge iso. > > the apt config says "testing". > > am i still running a "sarge" box, or is it now a "etch" box? Probably etch. Sarge is now stable. Chance your sources.list to "sarge". -P .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 30 16:20:45 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Sep 30 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] debian version question In-Reply-To: <345e55a50509301232j707ad62yb59af98882c0b581@mail.gmail.com> References: <3940.208.191.193.29.1128106140.squirrel@208.191.193.29> <345e55a50509301232j707ad62yb59af98882c0b581@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4768.208.191.193.29.1128111645.squirrel@208.191.193.29> > You are probably running a "testing" box. > > The file /etc/issue normally has a notice in there that is shown when you > log on to a terminal. > Mine says "testing/unstable". > > Etch hasn't been released yet so what will become Etch is in unstable. > The real thing that determines it is when the last time you did an > apt-get|aptitude update > apt-get|aptitude [dist-]upgrade today. :-) upgraded the kernel too. thanks greg! e From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 30 16:23:30 2005 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Sep 30 14:59:40 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] debian version question In-Reply-To: <20050930193617.GA9380@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <3940.208.191.193.29.1128106140.squirrel@208.191.193.29> <20050930193617.GA9380@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <4776.208.191.193.29.1128111810.squirrel@208.191.193.29> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 01:49:00PM -0500, Eli wrote: >> setup a debian box 1.5 years ago, i installed from a sarge iso. >> >> the apt config says "testing". >> >> am i still running a "sarge" box, or is it now a "etch" box? > > Probably etch. Sarge is now stable. Chance your sources.list > to "sarge". > > -P thanks Phil, but i think i'm too late. i did a upgrade today, and lots and lots o'packages were updated. my sources is set to "testing". hello etch! :-) e From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Sep 30 20:22:49 2005 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Sep 30 18:56:32 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Being seen in the eyes of a new person In-Reply-To: <4154519d0509300848h3ca87102wd1341d42b63ec38d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d0509300848h3ca87102wd1341d42b63ec38d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <433DD6D9.4030009@cis.sac.accd.edu> No one can question Bruce's technical ability, nor can they question his ability to get a ton of work done in a very short period of time. If Bruce is willing to maintain the SATLUG server--my vote is let him have it. I also suggest we use our funds to pay for the SATLUG.ORG domain. The domain issue cannot wait. I am not sure of the procedures, but I suggest we call (on at least the domain issue) a vote--here and now. I am sure Chuck and Othneil can say whether we can do this. I propose we vote now and voting is over at midnight Sunday, October 2, 2005. Steve From bdubbs at swbell.net Fri Sep 30 20:35:51 2005 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Sep 30 19:09:57 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <433DD6D9.4030009@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <4154519d0509300848h3ca87102wd1341d42b63ec38d@mail.gmail.com> <433DD6D9.4030009@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <433DD9E7.9000103@swbell.net> steve kolars wrote: > I also suggest we use our funds to pay for the SATLUG.ORG domain. > The domain issue cannot wait. I am not sure of the procedures, but I > suggest we call (on at least the domain issue) a vote--here and now. I > am sure Chuck and Othneil can say whether we can do this. I propose we > vote now and voting is over at midnight Sunday, October 2, 2005. As a procedural issue, we need to know exactly what we are voting for. I suggest that someone who has researched costs and vendors make a 'motion' to spend X dollars to buy Y services from vendor Z. Of course X, Y, and Z need to be defined precisely. Also, to register a domain, there needs to be a technical contact and administrative contact (real people not positions). There needs to be agreement on who those folks will be. Personally, I would agree with almost anything reasonable, but right now, I don't know enough about the proposal to make a decision. -- Bruce From yatinhat at yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 23:02:47 2005 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Fri Sep 30 23:37:00 2005 Subject: [SATLUG] MIT rolls out $100 Linux machine In-Reply-To: <200509271700.j8RH0Cf29582@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20051001050247.71955.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> These $100 Linux Laptops are expected to start roling out in 2006. I'm excited for the kids... __________________________________ "In emerging nations, the issue isn't connectivity," Nicholas Negroponte, the lab's chairman said at the Emerging Technologies Conference. "That's not solved, but lots of people are working on it in Wi-Fi, 3G, 4G, etc. For education, the roadblock is laptops." He and his colleagues believe that equipping all children in the world with their own laptop will greatly improve the level of education and help stimulate children to learn outside of school as well as in the classroom. http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4491&Page=1&pagePos=11&inkc=0