From soopurman at yahoo.com Tue Jun 1 00:47:30 2004 From: soopurman at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Tue Jun 1 01:45:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio Message-ID: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> I get pretty good results using mirrors.kernel.org for the debian and fedora repositories. I'm pretty sure this is a round-robin DNS load-balancing alias. Sometimes it connects me to a server from which I download near the maximum bandwidth capacity of my residential cable modem connection (384 kbps down, Road Runner Time Warner), while other times I'm randomly connected to a server that feeds me only half or a quarter as fast. I'm currently playing with mandrake and looking forward to the suse 9.1 ftp release on June 4 (I must be a distro-slut). Neither of these have nearly as many mirrors to choose from. Mandrake, for example, has ftp.phys.ttu.edu (Texas Tech), but its not very fast, and traceroute gets lost after 16 hops (*** down to to max 30 hops) trying to find it. My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. thanks for your info, - mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Jun 1 03:11:05 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Tue Jun 1 02:08:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40BC2C09.8070806@futuretechsolutions.com> hmm - oddly enough - i've always had better luck with offshore mirrors. ftp.belnet.be is one of my favorites, really sweet speed, though sometimes not quite up to date. Lately i've had good speed with ftp.nluug.nl and ftp.surfnet.nl i haven't checked the hops, so i don't know where all the traffic goes through. Charles Mike wrote: > I get pretty good results using mirrors.kernel.org for the >debian and fedora repositories. I'm pretty sure this is a >round-robin DNS load-balancing alias. Sometimes it connects me to a >server from which I download near the maximum bandwidth capacity of >my residential cable modem connection (384 kbps down, Road Runner >Time Warner), while other times I'm randomly connected to a server >that feeds me only half or a quarter as fast. I'm currently playing >with mandrake and looking forward to the suse 9.1 ftp release on June >4 (I must be a distro-slut). Neither of these have nearly as many >mirrors to choose from. Mandrake, for example, has ftp.phys.ttu.edu >(Texas Tech), but its not very fast, and traceroute gets lost after >16 hops (*** down to to max 30 hops) trying to find it. > My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you >know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I >can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an >rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go >through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 >hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas >city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before >coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to >use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. > >thanks for your info, > - mike > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From erich at thinkspark.com Tue Jun 1 09:20:56 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 08:21:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Configuring grub in Core 2? In-Reply-To: <40BB82B0.4050706@swbell.net> References: <20040529205608.GA27244@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> <40BB56F3.9050603@swbell.net> <20040531182458.GD12870@syn.bamm.net> <40BB82B0.4050706@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1086096056.4879.18.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 14:08, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Hmm. OK. Can you point me to an explaination of why the 2.6 kernel > changes the way grub works and affects the parttion table? On the > surface, your comment doesn't make sense to me. I'd like to understand > what is happening. > > Thanks. > > -- Bruce I agree. There's something in there that doesn't make sense. Why would a kernel that hasn't been booted yet cause another operating system to fail? Maybe what they mean is that the Linux kernel that is used during the installation process (presumably 2.6.x) isn't enumerating the partitions correctly and is causing problems later when the disk is sliced up for dual-boot... Hmmmm. I wonder if the partitioning process is "re-numbering" the partitions, so that the boot partition specified in the boot.ini of the Windows partition isn't pointing to the correct partition anymore. Normally, the boot.ini would look something like this: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect ..but if the partition number changes due to a changing partition map, Windows won't boot unless you can point boot.ini to the correct spot. Who knows... --Eric From erich at thinkspark.com Tue Jun 1 09:24:42 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 08:25:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Smoothie Trouble In-Reply-To: <000b01c44779$b5f8c190$070b0a0a@blackbox> References: <1086048544.2234.98.camel@laptop> <000b01c44779$b5f8c190$070b0a0a@blackbox> Message-ID: <1086096282.4879.21.camel@localhost> By the way, fix package #3 has been released for the Smoothie. It's a 2.4.26 upgrade and some SSL fixes, methinks. --Eric From akonstam at trinity.edu Tue Jun 1 10:22:57 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Tue Jun 1 09:17:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] For the department of obsolete equipment. Message-ID: <20040601142257.GA2904@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Does any one have an external (plugs into a parallel) port 100MB iomega Zip drive that they would be willing to get rid of for a reasonable fee. I am willing to consider usb zip drives if one was available and someone knew how to get it working with Linux. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From dubose at texas.net Tue Jun 1 10:21:41 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Tue Jun 1 09:19:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux Message-ID: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> > > Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > > doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > > -- Bruce > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > > Chuck Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM and would always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more RAM. What happened to Linux? Walt From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Jun 1 11:20:45 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:19:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <1086103246.2259.143.camel@laptop> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 09:21, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > > > doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > > > -- Bruce > > > > > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > > > > > Chuck > > Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. > > I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM and would > always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more RAM. > > What happened to Linux? > > Walt I'll tell you what happened. The same people who whined about MS bloat also moaned and bitched about Linux not being accepted as a desktop. So, they demanded that Linux be made more "competitive" in the desktop arena -- and that means putting in BLOAT. The current desktops have so much built in and start so many processes running that they eat up all your resources -- sorta like Winblows! And its nothing new Walt. I'm running RedHat 7.3 on a laptop. Booting it eats up almost 40Meg. Starting X eats up more than 40 more Meg. And then starting up Evolution eats up the rest of the 128Meg on the box. After that, almost anything else I start (StarOffice, Mozilla, etc) starts getting into swap. As if this laptop isn't already slow enough -- that really hurts it. Chuck From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 1 11:21:50 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:19:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> dubose@texas.net wrote: >>>Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL >>>doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. >>> -- Bruce >>> >>> >>I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older >>distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like >>that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. >> >>Chuck >> >> >Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. > >I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM and would >always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more RAM. > >What happened to Linux? > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to see that they have a tonn of daemons running. OTOH, I just set up a series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. -- Bruce From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 1 11:46:27 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:44:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <40B7441D.3080208@satx.rr.com> References: <40AE04BB.1070205@accdvm.accd.edu> <40B7441D.3080208@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <40BCA4D3.7040301@swbell.net> garza wrote: > I am anxiously looking forward to the installfest. > > I was wondering as to what flavor of Linux will be installed? Will > this be a customized install or install everything? > > Will this be an install from CDROM or from FTP? We can install RH 7.3, 8, or 9 from FTP. We can install any others you may have from CDROM. > I would like to invite some people who are curious about Linux. They > have a spare PC (Win98) and want to try it out. I would like more > info about what can or will be installed. I think that everyone > should try to bring a windows neophyte to show them the benefits of > using Linux as a desktop. An installfest would be the best time to > win some converts. All will be welcome. Be sure to have them defrag before they bring a system. -- Bruce From pac at fortuitous.com Tue Jun 1 11:52:33 2004 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:50:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Consulting In-Reply-To: <1086003115.4241.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086003115.4241.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040601155233.GA22476@mail.fortuitous.com> On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 06:31:55AM -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > I'm looking for a paid consultant to spend an hour or two with me going > over our server and network setup. We have a central server running > Fedora Core 2 and several thin-client workstations. Sean, Did you find a consultant yet? If so, please post or reply. -Phil .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 1 11:57:05 2004 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert Lochli) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:58:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40BCC371.C64FCBBA@satx.rr.com> It brings you to 204 a 71.33% game - CONGRATULATIONS. No other masterpoints were changed, just score percents. I will post a change on the net much later today - computer problem to solve for a client. BiigAl Mike wrote: > > I get pretty good results using mirrors.kernel.org for the > debian and fedora repositories. I'm pretty sure this is a > round-robin DNS load-balancing alias. Sometimes it connects me to a > server from which I download near the maximum bandwidth capacity of > my residential cable modem connection (384 kbps down, Road Runner > Time Warner), while other times I'm randomly connected to a server > that feeds me only half or a quarter as fast. I'm currently playing > with mandrake and looking forward to the suse 9.1 ftp release on June > 4 (I must be a distro-slut). Neither of these have nearly as many > mirrors to choose from. Mandrake, for example, has ftp.phys.ttu.edu > (Texas Tech), but its not very fast, and traceroute gets lost after > 16 hops (*** down to to max 30 hops) trying to find it. > My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you > know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I > can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an > rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go > through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 > hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas > city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before > coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to > use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. > > thanks for your info, > - mike > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Tue Jun 1 12:19:09 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Tue Jun 1 11:16:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux Message-ID: <20040601161909.9B6451654919@mail1.aus1.texas.net> Bruce Dubbs wrote... > dubose@texas.net wrote: > > >>>Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > >>>doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > >>> -- Bruce > >>> > >>> > >>I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > >>distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > >>that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > >> > >>Chuck > >> > >> > >Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. > > > >I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM and would > >always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more RAM. > > > >What happened to Linux? > > > > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to > add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to > see that they have a tonn of daemons running. OTOH, I just set up a > series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the > total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: > > http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. > In response to Chuck and Bruce...well I KNEW the answer...it just that folks have forgotten KISS. And Bruce has the right idea. Maybe I'll get around to taking a course in Linux From Scratch when I retire. I hope you are still teaching it Bruce. Walt From mayonakaha at vashir.com Tue Jun 1 11:46:28 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (MayonakaHa) Date: Tue Jun 1 11:44:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <20040601161909.9B6451654919@mail1.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040601161909.9B6451654919@mail1.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <1086108394.56D18CA@r31.dngr.org> It's not quite that they've forgotten KISS in the major distro makers, it's that KISS has been moved from how to make the distro to how to make it simpler to use for Joe Sixpack which I think is great because purist users still have distro choices. The arguments I see between the "purists" and the "user friendly" people are asinine. It's like when I see someone saying to my girlfriends dad that he's not a purist because his sailboat has a motor for emergency or low wind situations. Plus a motor is great for beginners who hardly know what they're doing. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:36am, dubose@texas.net wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote... >> dubose@texas.net wrote: >> >> >>>Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL >> >>>doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. >> >>> -- Bruce >> >>> >> >>> >> >>I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older >> >>distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something >> like >> >>that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. >> >> >> >>Chuck >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, I was thinking about Mandrake 8.2 or RH 8. >> > >> >I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M >> RAM and > would >> >always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and more >> RAM. >> > >> >What happened to Linux? >> > >> >> What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try >> to >> add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to >> see that they have a tonn of daemons running. OTOH, I just set up a >> series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the >> total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details >> see: >> >> http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf >> >> Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. >> > > In response to Chuck and Bruce...well I KNEW the answer...it just that > folks > have forgotten KISS. > > And Bruce has the right idea. Maybe I'll get around to taking a course > in > Linux From Scratch when I retire. I hope you are still teaching it > Bruce. > > Walt > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug This message sent via Danger Hiptop (www.danger.com) From swinston at global-gaming.com Tue Jun 1 13:31:27 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Tue Jun 1 12:30:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Volunteering at Installfest Message-ID: When is the next installfest? What all do we need in the way of volunteers? If I have time, I'd be willing to help out, if the timing is right (i.e. no previous commitments...) -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC Gosh that takes me back... or is it forward? That's the trouble with time travel, you never can tell." -- Doctor Who, "Androids of Tara" From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 1 13:49:51 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 1 12:47:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio In-Reply-To: <40BCC371.C64FCBBA@satx.rr.com> References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> <40BCC371.C64FCBBA@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:57:05 -0700, Albert Lochli wrote: >It brings you to 204 a 71.33% game - CONGRATULATIONS. > >No other masterpoints were changed, just score percents. > >I will post a change on the net much later today - computer problem to >solve for a client. > > >BiigAl BiigAl-- Was that a symptom of the computer problem? --Don (Anyone wonder what he sent the bridge player?) From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 1 14:01:03 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 1 12:58:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] For the department of obsolete equipment. In-Reply-To: <20040601142257.GA2904@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> References: <20040601142257.GA2904@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:22:57 -0500, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote: >Does any one have an external (plugs into a parallel) port 100MB >iomega Zip drive Did ya ever notice that your need for gear comes immediately after the weekend of the computer show? And by the time the next one rolls around you've either already bought something else or forgotten what you need, until just after the show closes, of course. Why is that? Hope this time you can get what you want, or at least what you need. From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 1 14:08:37 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 1 13:06:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Volunteering at Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ahpb0durqcakqjrv9gle4v1irsv1vedrg@4ax.com> On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:31:27 -0500 (CDT), Steven Winston wrote: >When is the next installfest? What all do we need in the way of >volunteers? If I have time, I'd be willing to help out, if the timing is >right (i.e. no previous commitments...) There's one this Saturday. -=-=-=-=- On Fri, 21 May 2004 08:31:39 -0500, skolars@accdvm.accd.edu wrote: >Saturday, June 5th, we need to conduct an InstallFest. It will be in >the Nail Technical Center at San Antonio College. All volunteers will >be greatly appreciated. Orange juice, doughnuts, and coffee will be >provided for the workers, and as has become custom sandwiches and chips >will be provided for the workers at lunch time. Anyone wishing to have >Linux installed should come by NTC 140, June 1 - 4 to sign up for a time >slot. Signing up is not mandatory, but it really helps us provide a >smooth experience for everyone. If you want Linux installed you will >need to bring everything with you on Saturday (everything that you hook >up to your computer). If you are running a Microsoft operating system >(does that make sense), and want your system to be dual boot, remember >to defrag your hard drive *before* you bring your system in. Back up >any data you cannot afford to lose before you bring your system in. It >is rare that data is lost, but we make no guarantees. Heidi Webb will >be conducting an introduction to VIM session on that Saturday morning. >I will probably conduct an introduction to Linux session from 12 p.m. to >2 p.m. If anyone else wants to help with a session let me know. If all >goes well there will be another room set up for a FreeBSD InstallFest >that will run concurrently. > >Steve From akonstam at trinity.edu Tue Jun 1 16:51:16 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Tue Jun 1 15:45:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Configuring grub in Core 2? In-Reply-To: <20040531194622.GE12870@syn.bamm.net> References: <20040529205608.GA27244@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> <1086001788.4165.5.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BB56F3.9050603@swbell.net> <20040531182458.GD12870@syn.bamm.net> <40BB82B0.4050706@swbell.net> <20040531194622.GE12870@syn.bamm.net> Message-ID: <20040601205116.GC4173@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 02:46:22PM -0500, Bamm Visscher wrote: > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=115980 > > Check out comment #27. It has links to the linux kernel mailing lists and some information about the change in the way 2.6 deals with disk geometry. > > Bammkkkk > > On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 02:08:32PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Bamm Visscher wrote: > > > > >Just to clarify, this isn't just a FC2 problem but one that affects ALL > > >distro's based on the 2.6 Kernel (like Mandrake 10 and SuSE 9.1). > > > > Hmm. OK. Can you point me to an explaination of why the 2.6 kernel > > changes the way grub works and affects the parttion table? On the > > surface, your comment doesn't make sense to me. I'd like to understand > > what is happening. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- Bruce > > > > > > P.S. I've not heard of any problem like this in the LinuxFromScratch > > lists, but few people there dual boot. :) There is a lot of confusion about this partition table altering phenomena. From what I can see it is not a grub or kernel 2.6 problem but an installer problem. Even one persons claim that if the disks in the BIOS are set to LBA the problem will not occur is demonstrably false. The good news it is easy to fix so it does not so nay permanent damage. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Tue Jun 1 17:48:31 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 1 16:46:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? Message-ID: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails are originating from my computer. From skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu Tue Jun 1 17:53:34 2004 From: skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu (Steve Kolars) Date: Tue Jun 1 16:51:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Volunteering at Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BCFADE.2040702@venus.sac.accd.edu> Steven Winston wrote: >When is the next installfest? What all do we need in the way of >volunteers? If I have time, I'd be willing to help out, if the timing is >right (i.e. no previous commitments...) > >-- >Steven Winston >Global Gaming Innovations, LLC > >Gosh that takes me back... or is it forward? That's the trouble with >time travel, you never can tell." > -- Doctor Who, "Androids of Tara" >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > We always need workers. We are actually having a Linux and FreeBSD InstallFests running at the same time this Saturday. The InstallFest begins at 9 a.m., and runs until we finish. Coffee, orange juice, and doughnuts will be provided, for the workers, and should be ready about 8:30 a.m. Also lunch is provided for the workers. Steve From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 20:31:37 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 19:29:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <005201c44838$f737e360$6e01a8c0@thomas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Carolan" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? > I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email > address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin > to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on > top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails > are originating from my computer. Someone you know is infected. Many of the e-mail viruses harvest two random addresses from the victim's address book. The virus spoofs one of those addresses as the From address and sends a copy of itself to the other address. Don't sweat it as long as your AV definitions are up to date. Thomas From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 20:43:40 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 19:41:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dubbs" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to > add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to > see that they have a tonn of daemons running. Blah blah blah. I regularly set up Red Hat servers which use 40-60 megs of memory for running applications. If you choose an "Everything" installation of *any* off-the-shelf Linux distro and turn all the services on, you will see a ton of memory usage. Even if you turn off all the unnecessary services but then fire up a portly window manager like GNOME you will see a ton of memory usage. You can set up a RH9 box to run AfterStep or any other lightweight WM and it will sip at memory - 64 megs should be usable although not very snappy. > OTOH, I just set up a > series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the > total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: > > http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. You can do very lightweight a RH9 install and come pretty darned close to that. No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as thin as you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, it's uneducated users. Thomas From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Tue Jun 1 21:13:08 2004 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Tue Jun 1 20:10:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <1086138788.1738.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Here, here.... or Hear, Hear On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 19:43, Thomas Cameron wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Dubbs" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > > > > > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to > > add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to > > see that they have a tonn of daemons running. > > Blah blah blah. I regularly set up Red Hat servers which use 40-60 megs of > memory for running applications. If you choose an "Everything" installation > of *any* off-the-shelf Linux distro and turn all the services on, you will > see a ton of memory usage. > > Even if you turn off all the unnecessary services but then fire up a portly > window manager like GNOME you will see a ton of memory usage. > > You can set up a RH9 box to run AfterStep or any other lightweight WM and it > will sip at memory - 64 megs should be usable although not very snappy. > > > OTOH, I just set up a > > series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the > > total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: > > > > http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > > > Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. > > You can do very lightweight a RH9 install and come pretty darned close to > that. > > No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as thin as > you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, it's uneducated > users. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Timothy Beck From slacker at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:35 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Tue Jun 1 20:56:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <1086138788.1738.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <1086138788.1738.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Message-ID: <20040601210235.0b5586ed@malaga.home> I agree. I'm not a RH user, but any distro can be made to be "bloated" by running every conceivable service. A fat windowing environment combined with little ram and a slow processor will make things worse. Conversely, you can take any distro and lean it down by removing uneccessary services, compiling a custom kernel, etc. RH is trying to appeal to the masses, and that's ok. That's the beauty of Linux; choice! on Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:13:08 -0500 Timothy Beck wrote: > Here, here.... > > or Hear, Hear > > On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 19:43, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bruce Dubbs" > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > > > > > > > > > What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... > > > try to add every conceivable application. You just have to do an > > > `ps -ef` to see that they have a tonn of daemons running. > > > > Blah blah blah. I regularly set up Red Hat servers which use 40-60 > > megs of memory for running applications. If you choose an > > "Everything" installation of *any* off-the-shelf Linux distro and > > turn all the services on, you will see a ton of memory usage. > > > > Even if you turn off all the unnecessary services but then fire up a > > portly window manager like GNOME you will see a ton of memory usage. > > > > You can set up a RH9 box to run AfterStep or any other lightweight > > WM and it will sip at memory - 64 megs should be usable although not > > very snappy. > > > > > OTOH, I just set up a > > > series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and > > > the total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For > > > details see: > > > > > > http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > > > > > Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. > > > > You can do very lightweight a RH9 install and come pretty darned > > close to that. > > > > No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as > > thin as you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, > > it's uneducated users. > > > > Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- > Timothy Beck > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 1 22:32:04 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 21:29:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net> Thomas Cameron wrote: >No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as thin as >you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, it's uneducated >users. > The issue is that the defaults result in a very large installation. How many users do you know that need nfs set up by default? What about Canna? xfs? mysqld? xinetd? New users have no knowledge base in order to make an intelligent choice. If you start blaming the users, then it sounds like a bit of elitism to me. It also sounds like Microsoft (Its not our software--its the users who don't install firewalls or misconfigure the system.) BTW, I didn't mean to single out RH. The other distros generally do the same thing with creeping featuritis. -- Bruce From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 22:48:53 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 21:46:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net><40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net> Message-ID: <014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dubbs" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > Thomas Cameron wrote: > > >No need to slam RH - they offer a good distro that is as fat or as thin as > >you want it to be. It's not RH that screws up installs, it's uneducated > >users. > > > > The issue is that the defaults result in a very large installation. How > many users do you know that need nfs set up by default? What about > Canna? xfs? mysqld? xinetd? New users have no knowledge base in order to > make an intelligent choice. Horse feathers. RTFM (https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ and/or https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/getting-started-guide/). It constantly amazes me that when someone gets a new stereo or a new microwave or a new toenail cutter they think it's perfectly reasonable to read the manual. But it is somehow Red Hat's fault that someone chooses an "Everything" installation and leaves the system wide open. > If you start blaming the users, then it sounds like a bit of elitism to > me. It also sounds like Microsoft (Its not our software--its the users > who don't install firewalls or misconfigure the system.) "Sorry I ran over that kid, but I didn't take the time to learn how to drive that car. It's Ford's fault anyway for selling me a car that could be used to run over a kid." > BTW, I didn't mean to single out RH. The other distros generally do the > same thing with creeping featuritis. Everyone has been clamoring for Linux to compete with Windows. Now that it offers a bunch of features (more than needed for 90% of the people out there), suddenly it's a bad thing. I don't get it. I guess some people just need to bitch about something. Bleh. Thomas From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 1 23:14:49 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:12:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net><40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> <006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net> <014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <40BD4629.80604@swbell.net> Thomas Cameron wrote: >>The issue is that the defaults result in a very large installation. How >>many users do you know that need nfs set up by default? What about >>Canna? xfs? mysqld? xinetd? New users have no knowledge base in order to >>make an intelligent choice. >> >> > >Horse feathers. RTFM >(https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ and/or >https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/getting-started-guide/). >It constantly amazes me that when someone gets a new stereo or a new >microwave or a new toenail cutter they think it's perfectly reasonable to >read the manual. But it is somehow Red Hat's fault that someone chooses an >"Everything" installation and leaves the system wide open. > You're kidding, right. Geeks read manuals. Most people don't. And no, I wasn't referring to an everything install. What do you get if you just click 'next' on every install screen? >>If you start blaming the users, then it sounds like a bit of elitism to >>me. It also sounds like Microsoft (Its not our software--its the users >>who don't install firewalls or misconfigure the system.) >> >> > >"Sorry I ran over that kid, but I didn't take the time to learn how to drive >that car. It's Ford's fault anyway for selling me a car that could be used >to run over a kid." > > Poor analogy. You have to have a license to drive a car. >>BTW, I didn't mean to single out RH. The other distros generally do the >>same thing with creeping featuritis. >> >> > >Everyone has been clamoring for Linux to compete with Windows. Now that it >offers a bunch of features (more than needed for 90% of the people out >there), suddenly it's a bad thing. I don't get it. I guess some people >just need to bitch about something. > I never suggested that the distributions shouldn't offer the options to compete with Windows, but Windows doesn't come with MS Office as standard. Niether does it install a compiler or developer tools--or a whole lot of other things that the default install provides. What I'm arguing is that the Workstation install should be a bit leaner by default. Also, when you start to use terms that people interpret as emotional reactions, they tend to discount what you are trying to say. You would be much better off arguing the issues. You never did answer why the packages I mentioned in the first paragraph are necessary by default. -- Bruce From eli at then7.com Tue Jun 1 23:19:32 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:17:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email > address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin > to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on > top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails > are originating from my computer. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug it could be _anybody_ that has your email address. viruses have been forging the "from" for a long time. it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending them a steady stream of infected email. e From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 23:43:25 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:41:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net><40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net><006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net><014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD4629.80604@swbell.net> Message-ID: <017601c44853$c24c1cf0$6e01a8c0@thomas> > You're kidding, right. Geeks read manuals. Most people don't. And that is the fault of the distro? > And no, I wasn't referring to an everything install. What do you get if > you just click 'next' on every install screen? About the same thing on most distros. A "one size fits none" installation. Which is why a user needs to be familiar enough with the OS to set it up correctly. > >>If you start blaming the users, then it sounds like a bit of elitism to > >>me. It also sounds like Microsoft (Its not our software--its the users > >>who don't install firewalls or misconfigure the system.) > >> > >> > > > >"Sorry I ran over that kid, but I didn't take the time to learn how to drive > >that car. It's Ford's fault anyway for selling me a car that could be used > >to run over a kid." > > > > > > Poor analogy. You have to have a license to drive a car. OK, how's this one: "Gosh, I didn't read the docs that came with the power saw and I cut off all my fingers. Now I'm gonna sue Black and Decker." It's still as ludicrous as your "Geeks read manuals. Most people don't" argument above. > >Everyone has been clamoring for Linux to compete with Windows. Now that it > >offers a bunch of features (more than needed for 90% of the people out > >there), suddenly it's a bad thing. I don't get it. I guess some people > >just need to bitch about something. > > > I never suggested that the distributions shouldn't offer the options to > compete with Windows, but Windows doesn't come with MS Office as > standard. Niether does it install a compiler or developer tools--or a > whole lot of other things that the default install provides. What I'm > arguing is that the Workstation install should be a bit leaner by default. Um, a workstation is what developers use to develop on, and what office workers use to work. At least that's how it is in my environment. So it makes all the sense in the world to have those productivity tools there. > Also, when you start to use terms that people interpret as emotional > reactions, they tend to discount what you are trying to say. How you interpret my words is your problem, not mine. I would hardly say this is worth getting "emotional" about. I'm just tired of the Red Hat bashing. Seems like any time anyone gets to the top of the heap there is a segment who takes it as their job to try to tear them down. > You would > be much better off arguing the issues. You never did answer why the > packages I mentioned in the first paragraph are necessary by default. I never said that they were necessary. What I said was that users need to educate themselves so that they can have a clue about the tool they are using. We're not talking rocket science here, and we're not talking about getting a PhD, just reading the freaking getting started guide. G'night. Thomas From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 1 23:46:48 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:44:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> Message-ID: <017b01c44854$3bbb9b60$6e01a8c0@thomas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli" To: ; "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Virus? > it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where > lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending > them a steady stream of infected email. I'll second that. When this kind of bug first hit ages ago, I got a bounce message that made it look like I'd sent a virus. Even though I religiously keep my Windows boxen and my AV definitions up to date, I did freak out a bit. Thomas From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 00:53:12 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Tue Jun 1 23:51:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e. help!!!) Message-ID: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> Hello All, Art Sexton and I have a web/mail server that has run (mostly) fine for over a year(Redhat 9). We are now experiencing down time due to what appears to be an apache/mysql issue (of some sort). The symptoms: after humming along for several hours, the server will spontaneously slow to a crawl, we lose all connectivity and then have to ask the colocation personnel to power cycle it. After this happened this morning, Art and I, closely watched the server. Running "free -m" repeatedly, showed that all ram was being consumed in just a matter of minutes, including the swap. We could literally watch, to our horror, the usage numbers increase at breakneck speed. Running top (ps aux) did not show which process was responsible. Normally our programs use about 130-150 megs of ram, leaving the remainder of the 1-gig-of-ram free for linux buffers/cache. Swap usage has historically been at a paltry 15 megs. When the "bad thing" happens, ram and swap are both filled in less then 5 minutes. Realizing the memory consumption had to be by one of our services (apache/php, postfix, cyrus-imap, mysql, saslauth) we stopped one by one. It turns out that stopping both mysql and apache, (via #/etc/init.d/service stop) liberated the memory. We could then start apache/mysql and it would run normal for a time. We had to do this back-to-back several times, or we knew the server would tip over. After watching the server run OK for 30 minutes, we let her do her thing. Things went another 4 hours and then we had to power cyle again. I've reverted to a previous SMP stock kernel, as the system was running a custom SMP kernel that I had build several weeks ago(it's a slightly modified Redhat config). I'm hoping that this was the problem. But I have my doubts. Has anyone seen something like this? Any tips, hints, or clues that I can research would be greatly welcome. Thanks, Eli From bdubbs at swbell.net Wed Jun 2 01:19:54 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 2 00:17:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e. help!!!) In-Reply-To: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> References: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> Message-ID: <40BD637A.3040305@swbell.net> Eli wrote: > Hello All, > > Art Sexton and I have a web/mail server that has run (mostly) fine for > over a year(Redhat 9). We are now experiencing down time due to what > appears to be an apache/mysql issue (of some sort). > > The symptoms: after humming along for several hours, the server will > spontaneously slow to a crawl, we lose all connectivity and then have > to ask the colocation personnel to power cycle it. > > After this happened this morning, Art and I, closely watched the > server. Running "free -m" repeatedly, showed that all ram was being > consumed in just a matter of minutes, including the swap. We could > literally watch, to our horror, the usage numbers increase at > breakneck speed. Running top (ps aux) did not show which process was > responsible. > > Normally our programs use about 130-150 megs of ram, leaving the > remainder of the 1-gig-of-ram free for linux buffers/cache. Swap usage > has historically been at a paltry 15 megs. > > When the "bad thing" happens, ram and swap are both filled in less > then 5 minutes. > > Realizing the memory consumption had to be by one of our services > (apache/php, postfix, cyrus-imap, mysql, saslauth) we stopped one by > one. It turns out that stopping both mysql and apache, (via > #/etc/init.d/service stop) liberated the memory. We could then start > apache/mysql and it would run normal for a time. We had to do this > back-to-back several times, or we knew the server would tip over. > After watching the server run OK for 30 minutes, we let her do her > thing. Things went another 4 hours and then we had to power cyle > again. I've reverted to a previous SMP stock kernel, as the system was > running a custom SMP kernel that I had build several weeks ago(it's a > slightly modified Redhat config). I'm hoping that this was the > problem. But I have my doubts. > > Has anyone seen something like this? Any tips, hints, or clues that I > can research would be greatly welcome. You don't say what version of apache or mysql you are using. What you are describing is a memeory leak. I doubt it is the kernel. If you stop apache and not mysql, does the problem still manifest itself? How about the other way around? You might want to update to the latest apache and/or mysql and compile from source. You might also want to check any configuration changes or new (php?) scripts that you may have installed. Other ideas would be to instrument the system. `ps aux >> log` every minute and things like that. Also look at the apache logs. -- Bruce From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 01:32:48 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jun 2 00:30:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e. help!!!) In-Reply-To: <40BD637A.3040305@swbell.net> References: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> <40BD637A.3040305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <40BD6680.2000108@then7.com> > You don't say what version of apache or mysql you are using. sorry. httpd-2.0.40-21.11 (redhat 9 rpm) mysql-server-3.23.58-1.9 (redhat 9 rpm) > What you are describing is a memeory leak. I doubt it is the kernel. If you > stop apache and not mysql, does the problem still manifest itself? How > about the other way around? IIRC it seemed as if I had to stop both. (I remember trying both ways, apache first, then mysql first), I'll pay more attention to see if I can absolutely pinpoint that. > You might want to update to the latest apache and/or mysql and compile > from source. Hmmm. That's not going to be all that fun with an RPM based distro, I guess I'm concerned about dependencies. We are moving to Slack soon, where compiling from source is much easier imo. You might also want to check any configuration changes or > new (php?) scripts that you may have installed. > Other ideas would be to instrument the system. `ps aux >> log` every > minute and things like that. Also look at the apache logs. > > -- Bruce will do. Thanks Bruce. ~e From mayonakaha at vashir.com Wed Jun 2 00:45:05 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (MayonakaHa) Date: Wed Jun 2 00:42:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <017b01c44854$3bbb9b60$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <017b01c44854$3bbb9b60$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <1086155110.779329F@r31.dngr.org> What's funny about that to me now is I get bounceback messages with the virus warnings like you got except I know it can't be me for one rather major reason... I get my email on my Java based Sidekick phone. A bit hard to infect a phone with a Windows virus. Mike D. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 9:52pm, Thomas Cameron wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eli" > To: ; "The San Antonio Linux User's Group > Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Virus? > > >> it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where >> lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending >> them a steady stream of infected email. > > I'll second that. When this kind of bug first hit ages ago, I got a > bounce > message that made it look like I'd sent a virus. Even though I > religiously > keep my Windows boxen and my AV definitions up to date, I did freak out > a > bit. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug This message sent via Danger Hiptop (www.danger.com) From hotrodls at ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 2 03:00:55 2004 From: hotrodls at ix.netcom.com (Lincoln) Date: Wed Jun 2 01:58:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] AC/DC power adapter for hp laptop Message-ID: <27163018.1086159655571.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> My office bought a bunch of auto/airline adapters for our Dells from LindElectronics.com As a EE, I have got to say these are pretty heavy duty bricks --nicest ones I have ever seen. Their input range is 11-16VDC and output your laptop's required voltage. They cost approx. $100 but any quality auto/air adapter is around that price, unfortunately. We also looked at Targus auto/air adapters for about the same price but these seemed better. I use them all the time and am very happy with the Lind adapters. They also come with a small bag and two different plugs: the traditional cigarette lighter plug and the funky plug some airlines use. The Lind model for you is -Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: "Condon, Ryan" Sent: May 30, 2004 6:01 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] AC/DC power adapter for hp laptop I will be doing a lot of traveling this summer and was hoping to get a car/plane power adapter for my hp ze4000 series laptop. Only thing is there are a lot of adapters out there with horrible reviews. Does anyone know of anything that works well? I don't really care if it has an outlet but one that plugs right into the back on the notebook would be nice Thanks Ryan _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Jun 2 05:28:25 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Jun 2 04:27:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BD9DB9.80808@futuretechsolutions.com> I get the bounces all the time, where the "From" is a public alias that I only use for receiving e-mails. Sean Carolan wrote: >I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email >address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin >to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on >top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails >are originating from my computer. > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From tbeck at dragon-designs.net Wed Jun 2 07:02:37 2004 From: tbeck at dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Wed Jun 2 06:00:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e. help!!!) In-Reply-To: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> References: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> Message-ID: <1086174157.4984.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have seen this when a PHP script or an apache "call" was literally written "wrong". The PHP script in question was running an endless loop that consumed everything until a hard reboot. as long as the script wasn't called it worked fine. Are you running "dynamic" pages? Will one run without the other? I'm sure you've tested this, it just didn't say. I've watched a "dynamic" page, that received news-feeds, go "nuts" and fill a sql database with entries before also. Hows the "network" traffic as the increase happens? Tim On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 23:53, Eli wrote: > Hello All, > > Art Sexton and I have a web/mail server that has run (mostly) fine for > over a year(Redhat 9). We are now experiencing down time due to what > appears to be an apache/mysql issue (of some sort). > > The symptoms: after humming along for several hours, the server will > spontaneously slow to a crawl, we lose all connectivity and then have to > ask the colocation personnel to power cycle it. > > After this happened this morning, Art and I, closely watched the server. > Running "free -m" repeatedly, showed that all ram was being consumed in > just a matter of minutes, including the swap. We could literally watch, > to our horror, the usage numbers increase at breakneck speed. Running > top (ps aux) did not show which process was responsible. > > Normally our programs use about 130-150 megs of ram, leaving the > remainder of the 1-gig-of-ram free for linux buffers/cache. Swap usage > has historically been at a paltry 15 megs. > > When the "bad thing" happens, ram and swap are both filled in less then > 5 minutes. > > Realizing the memory consumption had to be by one of our services > (apache/php, postfix, cyrus-imap, mysql, saslauth) we stopped one by > one. It turns out that stopping both mysql and apache, (via > #/etc/init.d/service stop) liberated the memory. We could then start > apache/mysql and it would run normal for a time. We had to do this > back-to-back several times, or we knew the server would tip over. After > watching the server run OK for 30 minutes, we let her do her thing. > Things went another 4 hours and then we had to power cyle again. I've > reverted to a previous SMP stock kernel, as the system was running a > custom SMP kernel that I had build several weeks ago(it's a slightly > modified Redhat config). I'm hoping that this was the problem. But I > have my doubts. > > Has anyone seen something like this? Any tips, hints, or clues that I > can research would be greatly welcome. > > Thanks, > Eli > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From erich at thinkspark.com Wed Jun 2 08:59:44 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Wed Jun 2 08:00:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <017601c44853$c24c1cf0$6e01a8c0@thomas> References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net><006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net><014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD4629.80604@swbell.net> <017601c44853$c24c1cf0$6e01a8c0@thomas> Message-ID: <1086181184.14601.9.camel@localhost> Did y'all ever notice that Linux users seem to be the only people on the planet that feel they need to preach to the choir with a baseball bat! ;-) -Eric From lug at eth0.us Wed Jun 2 09:35:57 2004 From: lug at eth0.us (John) Date: Wed Jun 2 08:34:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memory consumption (i.e.help!!!) In-Reply-To: <40BD5D38.7020804@then7.com> Message-ID: <000901c448a6$8ac69e60$0300a8c0@deacnet.wfu.edu> There are a few things that you might try and see if they will help you find something. First I would suggest running "top" on one terminal as it will show you what is taking up all of the ram. It might be just the httpd or just the mysql and from this you will be able to watch. I would also run "tail -f /var/log/messages" which will constantly post the last thing added to the messages error log and might report some mysql errors. If you run "tail -f /usr/local/apache/logs/error_log" you might also be able to pick up something that apache is doing wrong. The reason I like to use the tail -f is that when/if it crashes you are able to see exactly what happened when the server dies. Hopefully something from one of the logs might show something going wrong, if not Timothy Beck had a good idea about a rouge php script. John From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Wed Jun 2 09:38:12 2004 From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Wed Jun 2 08:37:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memoryconsumption (i.e. help!!!) Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC40B9@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> We found the problem last night. It was a combination of a database index that was corrupt and a php script that was not coded to handle the return from this. Once I was able to replicate the problem then fixing it was fairly simple. The short fix was to rebuild the table in question, including the index, and everything worked. The other change I will be making will be to code for this issue. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!!! ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 09:43:29 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 08:41:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> Message-ID: <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > it could be _anybody_ that has your email address. viruses have been > forging the "from" for a long time. > > it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where > lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending > them a steady stream of infected email. The reason I was suspicious about these messages is because whoever is infected must have both my email address, and the SATLUG address in their address book. Hence it may be another list member?? From ndurr at venus.sac.accd.edu Wed Jun 2 11:17:17 2004 From: ndurr at venus.sac.accd.edu (Nathaniel Durr) Date: Wed Jun 2 10:15:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <1086054527.2259.101.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 31 May 2004, Chuck wrote: > > Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > > doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > > -- Bruce > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > > Chuck > linux is not window the software gets faster. look at gnome 2.4 to 2.6 the kernel get faster also. they are not adding web browsers to kernels. OO.org will probably run fine it just takes a long time to start. my firewall right now is a 166MHz with 94Mb of ram running squid, pdns, snort, and folding@home. this is all with the 2.6 kernel. the machine acts the same when folding@home is running with the proc pegged as idle. putting old unpatched software on the internet is just going to make linux look as crappy as windows when another worm targets linux machines. what good is patches that are available in 10 minutes if they are never applied? -- Nate Durr From mdfilio at earthlink.net Wed Jun 2 11:26:48 2004 From: mdfilio at earthlink.net (M. Filio) Date: Wed Jun 2 12:24:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org? XFree86? Xouvert? Message-ID: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Hi all, Would anyone be willing to give a rundown on what happened to X? All I know it had something to do with the license, but am unsure as to what it means. Any opinions of which way to go? I've been told to wait for Xouvert. Thanks, Michael From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Jun 2 13:52:45 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 2 12:50:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086198766.1112.61.camel@laptop> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 10:17, Nathaniel Durr wrote: > On 31 May 2004, Chuck wrote: > > > > Sorry. Its the first I knew it was a laptop. Unfortunately, RHEL > > > doesn't support 64M RAM. You will need some other distro. > > > -- Bruce > > > > > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > > > > > Chuck > > > linux is not window the software gets faster. look at gnome 2.4 to 2.6 > the kernel get faster also. they are not adding web browsers to kernels. > OO.org will probably run fine it just takes a long time to start. my > firewall right now is a 166MHz with 94Mb of ram running squid, pdns, > snort, and folding@home. this is all with the 2.6 kernel. the machine > acts the same when folding@home is running with the proc pegged as idle. > putting old unpatched software on the internet is just going to make linux > look as crappy as windows when another worm targets linux machines. what > good is patches that are available in 10 minutes if they are never applied? I didn't say a thing about not patching installed software -- thats just stupid and asking for trouble. Although it really doesn't matter if he did happen to get hit by a worm, Walt's already stated that he's only going to use this as a Linux/OO demo laptop. So if it did get hit by some future/hypothetical worm, he just reloads! But what is REALLY important is that he show the best possible performance with the Linux he puts on it. If its slow as hell because its having to hit cache constantly to startup OO, he might as well save his time. You won't convince anyone to switch if THEY aren't convinced that its not 'at least as good' as what they are using. So, what Walt needs here is a minimal installation that doesn't toss in the kitchen sink. Maybe a minimalist window manager instead of Gnome or K. He'll have to turn off all the extraneous stuff since he won't be doing NFS, Japanese languages, or running a webserver. And even with that, he might not be able to get OO to start without hitting cache. And in that case, I would suggest he back up a version or two until he finds one that will run X and OO in 64 meg without hitting cache. It doesn't matter if he has the latest version of Apache or MySQL on it, he's only using it as a Linux/OO demo platform. It doesn't matter if its the latest/greatest distribution of Linux -- just as long as it performs well for demo purposes. Chuck From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Jun 2 13:58:10 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Jun 2 12:55:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org? XFree86? Xouvert? In-Reply-To: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1086199090.6400.6.camel@station3.example.com> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 12:26, M. Filio wrote: > Hi all, > > Would anyone be willing to give a rundown on what happened to X? > > All I know it had something to do with the license, but am unsure as to what it means. > > Any opinions of which way to go? I've been told to wait for Xouvert. > > Thanks, > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3338031 runs down the split between x.org and the xfree86 folks. Dunno about Xouvert. Thomas From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Jun 2 14:05:55 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:03:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <1086198766.1112.61.camel@laptop> References: <1086198766.1112.61.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1086199554.6400.14.camel@station3.example.com> > But what is REALLY important is that he show the best possible > performance with the Linux he puts on it. If its slow as hell because > its having to hit cache constantly to startup OO, he might as well save > his time. You won't convince anyone to switch if THEY aren't convinced > that its not 'at least as good' as what they are using. Agreed, but I seriously can't imagine Windows 2000 (or even NT4) running worth a damn on the same hardware. I didn't think Win2K would even load on 64 megs! So maybe they won't think it's that slow in comparison. > So, what Walt needs here is a minimal installation that doesn't toss in > the kitchen sink. Maybe a minimalist window manager instead of Gnome or > K. Or just do a "custom" install and deselect everything except what is really, really needed. Might consider a really lightweight WM like AfterStep or XFCE (I'm sure others will chime in with their recommendations as well). > He'll have to turn off all the extraneous stuff since he won't be > doing NFS, Japanese languages, or running a webserver. And even with > that, he might not be able to get OO to start without hitting cache. > > And in that case, I would suggest he back up a version or two until he > finds one that will run X and OO in 64 meg without hitting cache. I would probably stick with a newish distro (RH9, FC1, Slackware 9) but turn off *everything* that isn't needed. > It doesn't matter if he has the latest version of Apache or MySQL on it, > he's only using it as a Linux/OO demo platform. It doesn't matter if > its the latest/greatest distribution of Linux -- just as long as it > performs well for demo purposes. Yup. Thomas From h_oudini at hotmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:06:44 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:04:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. Message-ID: Hey All, I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I want to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from different rooms in the house (namely the living room and the master bedroom). I have ethernet in those rooms and I'll house the server in the study. I've done some googling and I'm kind of interested in Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it only comes with Window$ software. I've seen that some people have been hacking at it, so it does show some promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause it plugs right into the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks cheaper/easier than housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the PVR part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable (got to stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on board). Anyhow, I just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done something like this and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what I want: Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) Device at TV that plugs into network Surf the video server at the TV Watch recorded shows TIA, Kase _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 14:36:36 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:34:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086201396.23795.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) > Device at TV that plugs into network > Surf the video server at the TV > Watch recorded shows Kase: MythTV is a good way to go for the server part. You can put together a real sweet small form factor box for under $600 that does everything you want. Or if you are on a tight budget build from spare parts, etc and you can keep the big box in the basement or attic, out of the way and just use xboxes or something else for the frontend connected to each television. Check out Knoppmyth for an easy installer - it's knoppix modified to run and/or install MythTV on your box. They have some helpful forums but I can't recall the url right now. A google search will find it quickly. Xboxes make great Myth frontend player units. You can get a used xbox for around $80-90 on ebay, or brand new for $149.00. I don't have a PVR, but I do have an xbox in my living room running Xbox media player and it works great for movies, photo slide shows, mp3 jukebox, etc. From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Wed Jun 2 14:51:41 2004 From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:51:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC43D7@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> Have not done this but am just starting to look into something similar myself. Please post updates with links, etc. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Kase Saylor [mailto:h_oudini@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:07 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. Hey All, I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I want to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from different rooms in the house (namely the living room and the master bedroom). I have ethernet in those rooms and I'll house the server in the study. I've done some googling and I'm kind of interested in Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it only comes with Window$ software. I've seen that some people have been hacking at it, so it does show some promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause it plugs right into the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks cheaper/easier than housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the PVR part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable (got to stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on board). Anyhow, I just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done something like this and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what I want: Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) Device at TV that plugs into network Surf the video server at the TV Watch recorded shows TIA, Kase _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 14:59:03 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:56:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql / apache(with php) and MASSIVE memoryconsumption (i.e. help!!!) In-Reply-To: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC40B9@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> References: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC40B9@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <1086202743.a18ceb58c4603@www.then7.com> > Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!!! I second that! ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 15:12:44 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:10:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> Sean Carolan wrote: >>it could be _anybody_ that has your email address. viruses have been >>forging the "from" for a long time. >> >>it's playing havoc with people's heads, and i've read stories where >>lawyers were going to sue one guy because they thought he was sending >>them a steady stream of infected email. > > > The reason I was suspicious about these messages is because whoever is > infected must have both my email address, and the SATLUG address in > their address book. Hence it may be another list member?? > ahhhh. that's an excellent clue. i was once in a similar situation, and i was getting hammered by these bogus emails and returns. among the many "forged" addresses were some from various wedding supply/planning companies. only 3 of my friends were getting married at the time, so i called each at work (when the mails typically were sent) and had them go to http://www.myip.com and i did end up finding a match from the email headers. i could be wrong but i think the IP address cannot be forged that easily. ~e From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 15:17:45 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:15:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BD4744.8010606@then7.com> <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> Message-ID: <40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> > http://www.myip.com and i did end up finding a match from the email > headers. > note: it looks like myip.com has expired so it doesn't work, but it gave a simple blank white page with your ip address. there are many others that do that as well. ~e From h_oudini at hotmail.com Wed Jun 2 20:51:27 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:49:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. Message-ID: Sean, In order to use an Xbox would I have to get a mod chip? Or, in other words, how did you set up yours? Thanks, Kase >From: Sean Carolan >Reply-To: sean@medicalresourceusa.com, "The San Antonio Linux User's >GroupMailing List" >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. >Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:36:36 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc3-f3.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.139]) by mc3-s20.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:28 -0700 >Received: from alamo.satlug.org ([207.235.6.99]) by mc3-f3.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:04 -0700 >Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by >alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52IYtn00583;Wed, 2 Jun 2004 >13:34:55 -0500 >Received: from relay2.mail.twtelecom.net >(relay2.mail.twtelecom.net[216.54.204.190])by alamo.satlug.org >(8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52IYjn00574for ; Wed, 2 >Jun 2004 13:34:45 -0500 >Received: from [192.168.1.102] >(209-163-182-185.gen.twtelecom.net[209.163.182.185])by >relay2.mail.twtelecom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DA2C1A7for >; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:37:10 -0500 (CDT) >X-Message-Info: LGjzam7y+Lubt9Q/U34Y7q3De90OUBZSj9o/0L3BIp4= >In-Reply-To: >References: >Organization: Medical Resource USA >Message-Id: <1086201396.23795.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> >X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 >Precedence: list >List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >Return-Path: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 18:38:05.0405 (UTC) >FILETIME=[BE2A30D0:01C448D0] > > > > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) > > Device at TV that plugs into network > > Surf the video server at the TV > > Watch recorded shows > >Kase: > >MythTV is a good way to go for the server part. You can put together >a real sweet small form factor box for under $600 that does everything >you want. Or if you are on a tight budget build from spare parts, etc >and you can keep the big box in the basement or attic, out of the way >and just use xboxes or something else for the frontend connected to each >television. > >Check out Knoppmyth for an easy installer - it's knoppix modified to >run and/or install MythTV on your box. They have some helpful forums >but I can't recall the url right now. A google search will find it >quickly. > >Xboxes make great Myth frontend player units. You can get a used xbox >for around $80-90 on ebay, or brand new for $149.00. I don't have a >PVR, but I do have an xbox in my living room running Xbox media player >and it works great for movies, photo slide shows, mp3 jukebox, etc. > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From me at jchampion.com Wed Jun 2 15:56:16 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:53:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. References: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805CC43D7@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <008401c448db$aa9ead60$0200a8c0@blackhole1> mythtv is an excellent program but pay close attention to the hardware requirements. it didn't work with my hauppage card and i had to get the windows product snapstream. works just as well but it's on windows. also beware that ati all in wonders have also been known to have some issues being used as a pvr. you'll need a box with a ton of ram, large hd, strong processor and possibly a small form factor...look at itx boards that run intel chips. intel chips run cooler than amd, even though their performance is about the same. you can also use this resource which i have had some luck with... http://www.byopvr.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sexton, Art, ISD" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. > Have not done this but am just starting to look into something similar > myself. Please post updates with links, etc. > > Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kase Saylor [mailto:h_oudini@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:07 PM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. > > > Hey All, > > I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I > want > to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from different > rooms in > the house (namely the living room and the master bedroom). I have > ethernet > in those rooms and I'll house the server in the study. I've done some > googling and I'm kind of interested in Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it > only > comes with Window$ software. I've seen that some people have been > hacking at > it, so it does show some promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause > it > plugs right into the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks > cheaper/easier > than housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the > PVR > part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable (got > to > stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on board). Anyhow, > I > just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done something like this > and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what I want: > > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) Device > at TV that plugs into network Surf the video server at the TV Watch > recorded shows > > TIA, > > Kase > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - > FREE > download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > **************************************************************************** * > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify > the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend > any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. > **************************************************************************** * > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.693 / Virus Database: 454 - Release Date: 6/1/2004 From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 15:59:55 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:57:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Resolving host. . . . Message-ID: <1086206395.23795.42.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Mozilla takes a long time to resolve hosts sometimes. Like 5-10 seconds or even longer. This is especially bad for urls like ad.doubleclick.net. Here is a bit of info about our network setup: LTSP SERVER ------ Netgear hub/router ------ Internet All the clients are behind the netgear router and connect to the web via the ltsp server. For all intensive purposes all connections to the internet are from the box called 'stegosaurus'. The hostname is stegosaurus.ltsp and we have no FQDN because all our mail, web, etc. are hosted remotely. Here are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf. I commented out the first line because I thought it was not necessary.: # stegosaurus 192.168.1.102 nameserver 168.215.165.186 nameserver 216.136.33.82 The nameservers are the ones given to us by our ISP, Time Warner Telecom. We are not running our own dns so I wasn't sure if I needed a 'domain' line in the /etc/resolv.conf. From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 16:12:33 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 15:10:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086207153.23795.50.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Kase: It all depends on what you want to do with the Xbox. If you ONLY need it as a frontend player that will be connected to the main PVR which stores all your movies and shows, then you don't need a modchip. You can install linux on an unmodified xbox using a "software exploit". Read all about it on xbox-linux.sourceforge.net. If you want to borrow the mechassault game and saved game cartridge you are more than welcome. You'll need these two things to take advantage of the savegame glitch that allows you to run unsigned code on your xbox. If, however, you want to upgrade the hard drive in the xbox you will probably want to get a mod chip. In the end I ended up getting a modchip so I could more easily set it up and replace the hard drive with an 80gb HD. Right now I have two xboxen - one is sitting under the TV in the living room and works as a multimedia player (no PVR though) and the other Xbox is strictly a fileserver/utility box running Xebian (Debian). Of the two I think the modchip method is easier - they have solderless chips now that you can pop into the xbox and be up and running right away. Actually they are quite fun to take apart - it's interesting to see how they are basically just an x86 pc inside! On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:51, Kase Saylor wrote: > Sean, > > In order to use an Xbox would I have to get a mod chip? Or, in other words, > how did you set up yours? > > Thanks, > > Kase > > > > > > >From: Sean Carolan > >Reply-To: sean@medicalresourceusa.com, "The San Antonio Linux User's > >GroupMailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. > >Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:36:36 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from mc3-f3.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.139]) by mc3-s20.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:28 -0700 > >Received: from alamo.satlug.org ([207.235.6.99]) by mc3-f3.hotmail.com with > >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:04 -0700 > >Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by > >alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52IYtn00583;Wed, 2 Jun 2004 > >13:34:55 -0500 > >Received: from relay2.mail.twtelecom.net > >(relay2.mail.twtelecom.net[216.54.204.190])by alamo.satlug.org > >(8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52IYjn00574for ; Wed, 2 > >Jun 2004 13:34:45 -0500 > >Received: from [192.168.1.102] > >(209-163-182-185.gen.twtelecom.net[209.163.182.185])by > >relay2.mail.twtelecom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DA2C1A7for > >; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:37:10 -0500 (CDT) > >X-Message-Info: LGjzam7y+Lubt9Q/U34Y7q3De90OUBZSj9o/0L3BIp4= > >In-Reply-To: > >References: > >Organization: Medical Resource USA > >Message-Id: <1086201396.23795.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > >X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, > >Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > >Return-Path: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 18:38:05.0405 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[BE2A30D0:01C448D0] > > > > > > > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) > > > Device at TV that plugs into network > > > Surf the video server at the TV > > > Watch recorded shows > > > >Kase: > > > >MythTV is a good way to go for the server part. You can put together > >a real sweet small form factor box for under $600 that does everything > >you want. Or if you are on a tight budget build from spare parts, etc > >and you can keep the big box in the basement or attic, out of the way > >and just use xboxes or something else for the frontend connected to each > >television. > > > >Check out Knoppmyth for an easy installer - it's knoppix modified to > >run and/or install MythTV on your box. They have some helpful forums > >but I can't recall the url right now. A google search will find it > >quickly. > > > >Xboxes make great Myth frontend player units. You can get a used xbox > >for around $80-90 on ebay, or brand new for $149.00. I don't have a > >PVR, but I do have an xbox in my living room running Xbox media player > >and it works great for movies, photo slide shows, mp3 jukebox, etc. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups now 3 months FREE! > http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Jun 2 16:13:14 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Jun 2 15:11:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BE34DA.6070705@futuretechsolutions.com> I've been running MythTV for well over a year now. The latest version runs quite a bit quicker than previous versions have. I only have 1 box running Myth, but set-up doesn't cause one to pull out one's hair, and the user interface is quite simple and intuitive. I'm not sure how well the pre-compiled binaries work, as I've always compiled from source without any problems. The only issues that you may have to deal with are being sure that the backend is started when the machine boots up, and that the program to keep the program guide up-to-date runs when it should, or set it up as a cron job if it doesn't. Charles Kase Saylor wrote: > Hey All, > > I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I > want to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from > different rooms in the house (namely the living room and the master > bedroom). I have ethernet in those rooms and I'll house the server in > the study. I've done some googling and I'm kind of interested in > Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it only comes with Window$ software. I've > seen that some people have been hacking at it, so it does show some > promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause it plugs right into > the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks cheaper/easier than > housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the PVR > part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable > (got to stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on > board). Anyhow, I just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done > something like this and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what > I want: > > Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) > Device at TV that plugs into network > Surf the video server at the TV > Watch recorded shows > > TIA, > > Kase > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? > FREE download! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 2 17:17:44 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:15:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> <40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> Message-ID: <1086211064.28788.0.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:17, Eli wrote: > > http://www.myip.com and i did end up finding a match from the email > > headers. > > > > > note: it looks like myip.com has expired so it doesn't work, but it gave > a simple blank white page with your ip address. there are many others > that do that as well. Here's the header to that message: Return-path: Envelope-to: sean@txid.com Delivery-date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 Received: from txid by secure.shopsafeonline.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BVbwR-0004t6-H1 for sean@txid.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 Received: from [207.235.6.99] (helo=alamo.satlug.org) by secure.shopsafeonline.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BVbwR-0004t2-D4 for sean@txid.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52Jxwn01141 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:59:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your message to Satlug awaits moderator approval From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: sean@txid.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:59:56 -0500 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List X-List-Administrivia: yes Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on secure.shopsafeonline.com From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 2 17:53:08 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:51:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086211064.28788.0.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com> <40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> <1086211064.28788.0.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BE4C44.9000905@then7.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:17, Eli wrote: > >>>http://www.myip.com and i did end up finding a match from the email >>>headers. >>> >> >> >>note: it looks like myip.com has expired so it doesn't work, but it gave >>a simple blank white page with your ip address. there are many others >>that do that as well. > > > Here's the header to that message: > > Return-path: > Envelope-to: sean@txid.com > Delivery-date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 > Received: from txid by secure.shopsafeonline.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.34) > id 1BVbwR-0004t6-H1 > for sean@txid.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 > Received: from [207.235.6.99] (helo=alamo.satlug.org) > by secure.shopsafeonline.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) > id 1BVbwR-0004t2-D4 > for sean@txid.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0500 > Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i52Jxwn01141 > for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:59:59 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: Your message to Satlug awaits moderator approval > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > To: sean@txid.com > Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:59:56 -0500 > Precedence: bulk > X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > X-List-Administrivia: yes > Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME > autolearn=no version=2.63 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on > secure.shopsafeonline.com > hmmm. we're not going to get much help from these headers i think. i believe what we are looking at are headers of a new message that has been sent from satlug-list-server >>>> to >>> you. so the only IPs shown are localhost(satlug server), and 207.235.6.99(satlug server). the message then goes to an exim mta (secureshops). so these are the headers of a valid email that was created by satlug list server and routed to you. what we need is a message from the infected machine that was sent to you directly. the bounced message that hit the list server would also have the headers of interest...unfortunately, bounced means bounced, so I don't think satlug list server will have a copy. When I tracked down the infected machine in my case, I received bounces from mail-server that assumed that I had sent the email(forged from field). I also received emails from the infected machine directly. It's the headers of the mail sent from the infected machine that we need. I of course knew that the bounce messages coming from mtas were also a result of the infected machine because all the forged addresses were from the same address book of the infected system. do you have a message that was sent to you from the infected machine? ~e From grayfox78 at cox.net Wed Jun 2 16:09:46 2004 From: grayfox78 at cox.net (Augie Grayfox) Date: Wed Jun 2 17:06:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Homebrew PVR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406021509.46507.grayfox78@cox.net> On Wednesday June 2 2004 11:06 am, Kase Saylor wrote: *v*Hey All, *v* *v*I just moved into a new house and now I want to start hacking away! I want *v*to build my own PVR on a server that can be accessed from different rooms in *v*the house (namely the living room and the master bedroom). I have ethernet *v*in those rooms and I'll house the server in the study. I've done some *v*googling and I'm kind of interested in Hauppage's(?) MediaMVP, but it only *v*comes with Window$ software. I've seen that some people have been hacking at *v*it, so it does show some promise. I like the idea of the MediaMVP 'cause it *v*plugs right into the network and the TV. At $84 each it looks cheaper/easier *v*than housing a small form factor computer along with the TV. As for the PVR *v*part, I'm thinking MythTV because it looks pretty mature and stable (got to *v*stay away from bleeding edge if I want to get my wife on board). Anyhow, I *v*just wanted to know if anybody on the list has done something like this *v*and/or if anyone has a suggestions? To sum up what I want: *v* *v*Linux box with TV card (probably he WinPVR 350 -- MPEG2 hardware) *v*Device at TV that plugs into network *v*Surf the video server at the TV *v*Watch recorded shows *v* *v*TIA, *v* *v*Kase *v* Kase, You can check this site to see if your HW is compatible with MythTV. One question...Are you on cable or dsl? I think you need cable or at least the upper end of dsl...not sure but the MythTV website has all that info. HTH Let us know how things work out. I'm sloowwly gathering the HW to set up my own MythTV server. -- Augie Grayfox grayfox78 at cox dot net "Friends don't let friends use Microsoft." From pfrostie at yahoo.com Tue Jun 1 21:37:21 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Wed Jun 2 17:47:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <200406012037.23376.pfrostie@yahoo.com> you're not the first. i've been getting these for a while. i've gotten virus that supposedly came from people that i know, but i know they are not running windows. they are picking up addresses from the interent and using them as fake return addresses is all i can guess. On Tue June 1 2004 05:48 pm, Sean Carolan wrote: > I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email > address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin > to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on > top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails > are originating from my computer. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From slacker at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 2 20:34:50 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Wed Jun 2 19:29:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org? XFree86? Xouvert? In-Reply-To: <1086199090.6400.6.camel@station3.example.com> References: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <1086199090.6400.6.camel@station3.example.com> Message-ID: <20040602193450.5e844ecd@malaga.home> Apparently there were licensing issues with XFree86 4.4 and a lot of distros have dropped back to 4.3 or dropped it altogether. Slackware, one of the last hold outs, recently adopted X.org in their current tree. Here's a link to a Slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/31/2317246.shtml?tid=104&tid=106&tid=185&tid=189 Guess we'll have a new X system! On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:58:10 -0500 Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 12:26, M. Filio wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Would anyone be willing to give a rundown on what happened to X? > > > > All I know it had something to do with the license, but am unsure as > > to what it means. > > > > Any opinions of which way to go? I've been told to wait for Xouvert. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3338031 runs down the > split between x.org and the xfree86 folks. > > Dunno about Xouvert. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From Wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Wed Jun 2 21:28:53 2004 From: Wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (WrkWatchr) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:23:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Intel to open source EFI firmware code Message-ID: An interesting article?? http://lwn.net/Articles/87640/ Roy From bdubbs at swbell.net Wed Jun 2 21:43:08 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:40:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org? XFree86? Xouvert? In-Reply-To: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <8229804.1086197219004.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40BE822C.9070406@swbell.net> M. Filio wrote: >Hi all, > >Would anyone be willing to give a rundown on what happened to X? > >All I know it had something to do with the license, but am unsure as to what it means. > The license was the final straw. There have been long term problems between David Dawes and the X developers. Mr Dawes was very dictatorial and did not allow developers commit access to the code. He basically didn't trust anybody to add code. X is such a complicated product that no one can really understand it all in sufficient detail to do what he wanted to do. The final straw was when he unilaterally changed the license against the wishes of many of the developers who had contributed code. X.org has a long history of developing X, but it usually had been in a propriatary environment. It is now in an open environment. The base of x.org is xfree86-4.4-pre2, the last version under the old license. You can expect x.org to be much more progressive in improving the code. This may be good, but has some risks. If changes are pushed too fast, it may create some instability. OTOH, all the major distros have migrated to x.org. -- Bruce From bdubbs at swbell.net Wed Jun 2 21:52:20 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:49:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Resolving host. . . . In-Reply-To: <1086206395.23795.42.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086206395.23795.42.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40BE8454.2090009@swbell.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >Mozilla takes a long time to resolve hosts sometimes. Like 5-10 seconds >or even longer. This is especially bad for urls like >ad.doubleclick.net. Here is a bit of info about our network setup: > Well one thing you could do is edit your /etc/nsswitch.conf and ensure you have the line hosts: files dns and edit /etc/hosts and put in: 127.0.0.2 ad.doubleclick.net But then you won't get any ads from them. Awww..... -- Bruce From spammer at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 3 00:25:57 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Wed Jun 2 23:23:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? In-Reply-To: <200406012037.23376.pfrostie@yahoo.com> References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <200406012037.23376.pfrostie@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200406022325.57802.spammer@satx.rr.com> On Tuesday 01 June 2004 7:37 pm, phrostie wrote: We have a problem at work in which the 2 people who e-mail outside of work the most are used to send virus's, you are most likely having the info forged and then sent around, I have to deal w/ this at work all the time, as long as you keep your anti-virus up to date as well as any other things you need, you should have nothing to fear. > you're not the first. > i've been getting these for a while. > i've gotten virus that supposedly came from people that i know, but i know > they are not running windows. > > they are picking up addresses from the interent and using them as fake > return addresses is all i can guess. > > On Tue June 1 2004 05:48 pm, Sean Carolan wrote: > > I think that perhaps someone is sending a virus with my home email > > address as the from address. I keep getting bounces from the list admin > > to sean@txid.com. My home computer is running windows, but I keep on > > top of the latest patches and virus updates. I don't think the emails > > are originating from my computer. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- >From this day To the ending of the world We in it shall be remembered We lucky few We merry Band of Brothers For he who sheds his blood with me this day Shall be my brother. Henry V Nick Duffy From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 23:04:26 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Thu Jun 3 00:02:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me Message-ID: <20040603050426.52686.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Vonage slashes price of Net telephony kit By Ben Charny CNET News.com June 2, 2004, 3:57 PM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-5224951.html Feeling pressure as competition stiffens, Net phone service provider Vonage has lowered the price by $70 of a starter kit available at retail stores. The kit, which includes a Motorola phone adapter, is now $30 at Circuit City, Fry's and RadioShack after a $50 mail-in rebate, Vonage said Wednesday. The starter kit, which consists of an adapter and two months of free Vonage service, used to cost $100 at the same stores. Get Up to Speed on... VoIP Get the latest headlines and company-specific news in our expanded GUTS section. As Vonage's subscriber numbers grow, it has a greater ability to pass on savings to its customers, according to company Vice President Matthew Deatrick. Vonage made a similar argument in mid-May, when it signed up its 150,000th subscriber, saying it had reached an "inflection point" that allowed it to lower the cost of monthly unlimited North American dialing from $35 to $30 a month. In-Stat/MDR senior analyst Daryl Schoolar believes that Vonage, the nation's largest provider of voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), is feeling pressure as major telephone companies including AT&T begin offering their own VoIP services. VoIP is a decade-old technique for digitizing phone calls and dispatching them over the public Internet or a corporation's own Internet Protocol network. VoIP calls are generally less expensive because they avoid traditional telephone networks, which are heavily regulated and taxed. But quality of service, in most cases, isn't as good. Schoolar said that just as important to Vonage is "competition from below," or smaller VoIP providers that offer the same kind of service for $5 to $10 less a month. "They are certainly aware of the competition both above and below," he said. ---------------------------------------- I'm also looking into other companies offerings like Broadvoice (http://www.broadvoice.com/) to get the best deal. ---------------------------------------- SprintPCS sucks. They keep double billing me. I spend an hour on the phone each time so they can fix their errors. They have this virtual girl clerk named 'Claire' that is probably married to one of the sales reps. It is quite annoying to get the runaround. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 23:08:14 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Thu Jun 3 00:05:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What do you think about the WiSIP Phone? Message-ID: <20040603050814.89420.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> I plan on watching this technology closely..at least until it gets cheaper and/or there is an industry shakeout: BroadVoice and Pulver Innovations Unveil the WiSIP™ Phone http://www.broadvoice.com/features_wisip_phone.html BroadVoice and Pulver Innovations have developed a new, special edition BroadVoice Pulver WiSIP™ Phone optimized for use with BroadVoice service. With the BroadVoice Pulver WiSIP™phone, you can access BroadVoice services at any residential or commercial WiFi location anywhere in the world! The BroadVoice service meets the flexibility and freedom-of-choice that today’s savvy users of SIP-based services demand. BroadVoice offers a direct-dial telephone number from any of the 30 states and 1,300 cities and towns the company currently offers, regardless of the user’s geographical location. BroadVoice WiSIP™ Phone Packages The BroadVoice WiSIP can be combined with any BroadVoice Unlimited rate plan. When combined with our service the BroadVoice Pulver WiSIP™ Phone is just $149.95 * Works with any 802.11b compatible access point * Supports the G.711 and G.729 Codec * Compatible with most BroadVoice Features __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From swinston at global-gaming.com Thu Jun 3 02:00:31 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Thu Jun 3 00:59:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Volunteering at Installfest Message-ID: Sounds great, I think I'll make it (maybe, I'm in the middle of a move), would someone mind giving directions or is it in the same place we have meetings? -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC Other women cloy The appetites they feed, but she makes hungry Where most she satisfies. -- Antony and Cleopatra From skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu Thu Jun 3 08:41:30 2004 From: skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu (Steve Kolars) Date: Thu Jun 3 07:39:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Volunteering at Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BF1C7A.9090903@venus.sac.accd.edu> Steven Winston wrote: >Sounds great, I think I'll make it (maybe, I'm in the middle of a move), >would someone mind giving directions or is it in the same place we have >meetings? > >-- >Steven Winston >Global Gaming Innovations, LLC > >Other women cloy >The appetites they feed, but she makes hungry >Where most she satisfies. > -- Antony and Cleopatra >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > same place From jpenrod at commtechinc.com Thu Jun 3 09:28:20 2004 From: jpenrod at commtechinc.com (Penrod, Joshua) Date: Thu Jun 3 08:25:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me Message-ID: I've seen a lot of ads lately for ATT's "Call Advantage" VoIP service for a special introductory offer of $19.99/month which after a six month period goes to $39.99/month. I saw no equipment costs associated, it said it comes with an adapter for your phone that connects to the cable/dsl router or modem. I don't have a land line at the momemt, I went strictly to wireless. I might be interested in the VoIP service, does anybody know about this and the least expensive way to do this service? I seem to remember about 8 years ago that when I had dial-up service I was able to set up some software that allowed me to call others through my desktop without incurring long-distance charges. Is that just non-existent now? Thanks, Josh -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yatti [mailto:yatinhat@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:04 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me Vonage slashes price of Net telephony kit By Ben Charny CNET News.com June 2, 2004, 3:57 PM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-5224951.html Feeling pressure as competition stiffens, Net phone service provider Vonage has lowered the price by $70 of a starter kit available at retail stores. The kit, which includes a Motorola phone adapter, is now $30 at Circuit City, Fry's and RadioShack after a $50 mail-in rebate, Vonage said Wednesday. The starter kit, which consists of an adapter and two months of free Vonage service, used to cost $100 at the same stores. Get Up to Speed on... VoIP Get the latest headlines and company-specific news in our expanded GUTS section. As Vonage's subscriber numbers grow, it has a greater ability to pass on savings to its customers, according to company Vice President Matthew Deatrick. Vonage made a similar argument in mid-May, when it signed up its 150,000th subscriber, saying it had reached an "inflection point" that allowed it to lower the cost of monthly unlimited North American dialing from $35 to $30 a month. In-Stat/MDR senior analyst Daryl Schoolar believes that Vonage, the nation's largest provider of voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), is feeling pressure as major telephone companies including AT&T begin offering their own VoIP services. VoIP is a decade-old technique for digitizing phone calls and dispatching them over the public Internet or a corporation's own Internet Protocol network. VoIP calls are generally less expensive because they avoid traditional telephone networks, which are heavily regulated and taxed. But quality of service, in most cases, isn't as good. Schoolar said that just as important to Vonage is "competition from below," or smaller VoIP providers that offer the same kind of service for $5 to $10 less a month. "They are certainly aware of the competition both above and below," he said. ---------------------------------------- I'm also looking into other companies offerings like Broadvoice (http://www.broadvoice.com/) to get the best deal. ---------------------------------------- SprintPCS sucks. They keep double billing me. I spend an hour on the phone each time so they can fix their errors. They have this virtual girl clerk named 'Claire' that is probably married to one of the sales reps. It is quite annoying to get the runaround. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chardon47 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 3 08:01:42 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Thu Jun 3 08:59:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Informationweek Article In-Reply-To: <40BF1C7A.9090903@venus.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <20040603140142.8711.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> http://informationweek.linuxpipeline.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RJH1VLGT4FTDGQSNDBCCKHQ?articleId=21400697 Bill Hatfield Registered Linux User #351047 From scott at jedicouncil.nu Thu Jun 3 10:23:51 2004 From: scott at jedicouncil.nu (Scott A. Simpson) Date: Thu Jun 3 09:21:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40BF3477.4040107@jedicouncil.nu> Mike wrote: > My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you > know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I > can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an > rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go > through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 > hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas > city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before > coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to > use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. > > thanks for your info, > - mike for debian, St. Mary's is and official mirror. the address is natasha.stmarytx.edu. I use it for my debian server and its pretty responsive, course i live down the street :D scott -- Scott A. Simpson scott@jedicouncil.nu If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it ? From erich at thinkspark.com Thu Jun 3 10:52:20 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Thu Jun 3 09:52:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [Vonage (revisited) by me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086274340.3079.40.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 08:28, Penrod, Joshua wrote: > I've seen a lot of ads lately for ATT's "Call Advantage" VoIP service > for a special introductory offer of $19.99/month which after a six month [cut] Just last night, my brother in law called me using his Net2Phone VoIP service. But rather than being tethered to his PC, he's got an AT&T 6100 cordless "PC" phone that, in addition to being a normal 900MHz cordless phone, has audio jacks that allow you to plug the base into your PC's line in/line out jacks so you can use the cordless phone for any PC-based VoIP product. He has to dial my phone number on his PC, but after that, he uses the phone as he normally would. I think he got the phone on special for $17, but it can be had for $35-$60. It's out of stock right now, but J&R Music World has the phone for $19.88. The Net2Phone service runs about 2 cents/minute. The latency is low, but the voice quality is kinda scratchy. He said I sounded fine, though. But, hey, you can use the phone with any PC VoIP service. Just wanted to add my 2 cents per minute. --Eric From ChrisRivera at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 3 12:51:15 2004 From: ChrisRivera at satx.rr.com (CRivera) Date: Thu Jun 3 11:48:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me In-Reply-To: <20040603050426.52686.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200406031651.i53GpFBu018855@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Mary Yatti Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:04 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Vonage (revisited) by me Vonage slashes price of Net telephony kit By Ben Charny CNET News.com June 2, 2004, 3:57 PM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-5224951.html Feeling pressure as competition stiffens, Net phone service provider Vonage has lowered the price by $70 of a starter kit available at retail stores. The kit, which includes a Motorola phone adapter, is now $30 at Circuit City, Fry's and RadioShack after a $50 mail-in rebate, Vonage said Wednesday. The starter kit, which consists of an adapter and two months of free Vonage service, used to cost $100 at the same stores. Get Up to Speed on... VoIP Get the latest headlines and company-specific news in our expanded GUTS section. As Vonage's subscriber numbers grow, it has a greater ability to pass on savings to its customers, according to company Vice President Matthew Deatrick. Vonage made a similar argument in mid-May, when it signed up its 150,000th subscriber, saying it had reached an "inflection point" that allowed it to lower the cost of monthly unlimited North American dialing from $35 to $30 a month. In-Stat/MDR senior analyst Daryl Schoolar believes that Vonage, the nation's largest provider of voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), is feeling pressure as major telephone companies including AT&T begin offering their own VoIP services. VoIP is a decade-old technique for digitizing phone calls and dispatching them over the public Internet or a corporation's own Internet Protocol network. VoIP calls are generally less expensive because they avoid traditional telephone networks, which are heavily regulated and taxed. But quality of service, in most cases, isn't as good. Schoolar said that just as important to Vonage is "competition from below," or smaller VoIP providers that offer the same kind of service for $5 to $10 less a month. "They are certainly aware of the competition both above and below," he said. ---------------------------------------- I'm also looking into other companies offerings like Broadvoice (http://www.broadvoice.com/) to get the best deal. ---------------------------------------- SprintPCS sucks. They keep double billing me. I spend an hour on the phone each time so they can fix their errors. They have this virtual girl clerk named 'Claire' that is probably married to one of the sales reps. It is quite annoying to get the runaround. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug I have Broadvoice at home right now. I gotta say its pretty good, if you can look past a few things. The biggest annoyance is when you try to place a call, it takes anywhere from 5 to 15 seconds for it to actually start ringing the number. Broadvoice reps say that is normal. The quality is better than I expected, but at times my calls get disconnected. I usually just blame it on my friends, who are on cell phones, but I'm really not sure. I have yet to get a bill, and I've been using the service going on 2 months already. The ATA shows up as half-duplex on my switch. Not sure if this is normal or not. Other than that, I love this service. $20 a month, I've never paid 20 a month on any phone service. Nothing is timed, if you get the national plan. If you call overseas, then you can expect the charges per min. Oh yeah, one last thing, I have to use this temp number for now until they activate their Texas numbers. So in the mean time, I'm using a Miami number, kinda cool, kinda annoying for most people. I also got a second number in Memphis so that my family can call me at a local number and it rings me here. They also said I can migrate my cell phone number to my broadvoice number, that's what I will eventually do. AT&T would love that. I hate them. While in Alaska for 5 years I had wireless service from AT&T, never had any problems or outrageous bills. I get here to Texas a year ago, and I have had higher and higher bills each month. Before I cut off one of my phones, it was in the $340 range per month for both. Say what!? My wife and I never went over our mins. I spent many an hour on the phone with AT&T to correct billing errors, which would add $36 to my next bill each time. Because its reflected as a service change. The nerve of those people. I even had to do another contract when I came here, because I had to get a Texas number, so that = a new contract to them. Bastardos! Well enough of my rant about AT&T, sorry if anyone thinks AT&T is gods gift to the masses. Go VoIP! CRivera From dubose at texas.net Thu Jun 3 14:32:21 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Thu Jun 3 13:29:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SOLARIS GOES OPEN-SOURCE Message-ID: <20040603183221.BDBCA838C8A1@mail2.aus1.texas.net> SOLARIS GOES OPEN-SOURCE Sun Microsystems Inc. confirms long-rumored plans to make its proprietary Solaris operating system open-source. http://www.gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/26078-1.html From indigotwilight at softhome.net Thu Jun 3 14:17:41 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Thu Jun 3 14:15:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Informationweek Article In-Reply-To: <20040603140142.8711.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040603140142.8711.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill writes: > http://informationweek.linuxpipeline.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RJH1VLGT4FTDGQSNDBCCKHQ?articleId=21400697 > Just as a matter of courtesy, when posting some article, it'd be nice to include a short description of what the article is about. Typically, I'll just delete messages like this without even clicking on the link and I'm sure that others do the same. -Mike From spammer at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 3 15:23:26 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Thu Jun 3 14:21:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Spyware Message-ID: <200406031423.26833.spammer@satx.rr.com> The other day I was cruising web sites and had gator dropped on me as well as another spyware called "stealth"? I am very familiar w/ gator but have never heard of stealth before. Anyone familiar w/ this one?? I know Chuck said not to worry cause spyware and linux currently dont agree, but never heard of this new one before, and I keep my security on mozilla as tight as I can, just wanted to make sure. -- >From this day To the ending of the world We in it shall be remembered We lucky few We merry Band of Brothers For he who sheds his blood with me this day Shall be my brother. Henry V Nick Duffy From chardon47 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 3 13:28:28 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Thu Jun 3 14:26:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Informationweek Article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040603192828.25684.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry. Still new at this. The document talks about Torvald's making it a requirement to put in a Developer's Certificate of Origin field with a Signed Off By with name and email when submitting code. It brings up a lot of discussion on whether or not it will create more or less trust in the OS by business users and how it might affect situations like the current one with SCO. indigotwilight@softhome.net wrote: Bill writes: > http://informationweek.linuxpipeline.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RJH1VLGT4FTDGQSNDBCCKHQ?articleId=21400697 > Just as a matter of courtesy, when posting some article, it'd be nice to include a short description of what the article is about. Typically, I'll just delete messages like this without even clicking on the link and I'm sure that others do the same. -Mike _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield Registered Linux User #351047 From eli at then7.com Thu Jun 3 15:35:21 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Thu Jun 3 14:33:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SOLARIS GOES OPEN-SOURCE In-Reply-To: <20040603183221.BDBCA838C8A1@mail2.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040603183221.BDBCA838C8A1@mail2.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <40BF7D79.4030003@then7.com> dubose@texas.net wrote: > SOLARIS GOES OPEN-SOURCE > > Sun Microsystems Inc. confirms long-rumored plans to make its > proprietary Solaris operating system open-source. How do they do that? I thought Solaris was technology built by Sun, with a UNIX license from SCO. (licensed from SCO as all the other proprietary unixes are, e.g. AIX, HPUX, IRIX etc) /me puts tinfoil had on sounds like a plan backed by a 2 billion microsoft settlement...i.e. "do anything to pull attention away from gnu/gpl/linux, just help break up the momentum" (paranoia mode off) ;-) e From indigotwilight at softhome.net Thu Jun 3 14:40:25 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Thu Jun 3 14:38:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Informationweek Article In-Reply-To: <20040603192828.25684.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040603192828.25684.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Sorry. Still new at this. There's no need to apologize. There's a delicate balance between being brief and being vague. Learning the difference takes a while. ;-) -Mike From rdpears2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 3 15:57:49 2004 From: rdpears2001 at yahoo.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Jun 3 14:55:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What do you think about the WiSIP Phone? In-Reply-To: <20040603050814.89420.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mary Yatti wrote... >What do you think about the WiSIP Phone? >I plan on watching this technology closely..at least >until it gets cheaper and/or there is an industry >shakeout: >BroadVoice and Pulver Innovations Unveil the WiSIP >Phone >http://www.broadvoice.com/features_wisip_phone.html Zultys' new IP business phone for the remote worker www.zultys.com Companies can now provide seamless connectivity for their remote workers. The ZIP 4x5 is an IP business phone which integrates vital data and voice functionality for the remote office. Data switching and routing, VPN, NAT, firewall, Bluetooth, voice recognition, analog port - all on a single SIP device. http://ttarget.adbureau.net/adclick/CID=000052ae0000000000000000/acc_random= 1066027211/site=searchcio/area=em.39/aamsz=1x1/position=1/keyword=C483800 In case the long URL above gets wrapped here is the snipurl URL--- http://snipurl.com/6udz (Thanks to Ted Rathkopf) I realize the Zultys is not a home or personal phone. It does indicate where the technology is going. You should be able to buy an Internet SIP phone and replace your existing phone with it. A simple device selects the correct connection for telephone or Internet VoIP. If the RBOCs (Regional Bell operating companies) had not ignored the Telecommunications Act of 1996, worked mightily to destroy its effectiveness or neutralize it, and if the FCC Commission had not failed to review the Act when it was required, we might all be using VoIP over the Internet today. The flip side of this is that AT&T, Cingular, SBC, Verizon, to name a few who are raping us and screwing us blind, would be out of business. Too bad. So sorry. We used to have the best phone service in the world. It is still better than Afghanistan, China or Iraq but those countries will probably pass us in the next decade. Certainly in the Wireless area. Central Europe already has. Thanks, Robert Pearson rdpears2001@yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.693 / Virus Database: 454 - Release Date: 5/31/2004 From Wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Thu Jun 3 16:11:56 2004 From: Wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (WrkWatchr) Date: Thu Jun 3 15:06:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> <40BF3477.4040107@jedicouncil.nu> Message-ID: Here is the one that I use and it seems to be pretty fast and I never seem to have a problem getting access. ftp://ftp.biochem.uthscsa.edu/pub/linux/' Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott A. Simpson" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio Mike wrote: > My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you > know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but I > can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from an > rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go > through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 > hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, kansas > city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains before > coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may like to > use different mirrors if our networks are all that seperated. > > thanks for your info, > - mike for debian, St. Mary's is and official mirror. the address is natasha.stmarytx.edu. I use it for my debian server and its pretty responsive, course i live down the street :D scott -- Scott A. Simpson scott@jedicouncil.nu If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it ? _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jun 3 16:39:25 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Thu Jun 3 15:36:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Configuring grub in Core 2? References: <20040529205608.GA27244@Moof.cs.trinity.edu><1086001788.4165.5.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp><40BB56F3.9050603@swbell.net> <20040531182458.GD12870@syn.bamm.net> <001c01c44751$0c5581f0$6501a8c0@deadhead> Message-ID: <00e001c449aa$dc043df0$0200a8c0@jeff> > I"m dual booting Suse 9.1 with an smp kernel and windows on my laptop with > no problems. > > > Just to clarify, this isn't just a FC2 problem but one that affects ALL > distro's based on the 2.6 Kernel (like Mandrake 10 and SuSE 9.1). 9.1 comes stock with version 2.6 of the kernel? kewl! From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jun 3 16:42:16 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Thu Jun 3 15:38:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040527155859.830109F407B@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <40B62D7C.6090805@swbell.net> <1086054527.2259.101.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <00ee01c449ab$41962250$0200a8c0@jeff> > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. that being the case, I've got a complete SuSE 7.3 Pro distro I'd be more than happy to donate to the cause. From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jun 3 17:50:30 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Thu Jun 3 16:46:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040601142141.731567C57FA6@mail2.aus1.texas.net><40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net><006e01c4483a$a66bc440$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD3C24.8090804@swbell.net><014101c4484c$247183f0$6e01a8c0@thomas> <40BD4629.80604@swbell.net> Message-ID: <016c01c449b4$cab69200$0200a8c0@jeff> > >Horse feathers. RTFM > >(https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ and/or > >https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/getting-started-guide/). > >It constantly amazes me that when someone gets a new stereo or a new > >microwave or a new toenail cutter they think it's perfectly reasonable to > >read the manual. But it is somehow Red Hat's fault that someone chooses an > >"Everything" installation and leaves the system wide open. > > > > You're kidding, right. Geeks read manuals. Most people don't. Which, I think is the major cause of the "dumbing down of America". People (End Users) just don't care, as long as it works. And, if it don't, then even if they didn't read the manual, it's not -their- fault... it's a faulty product. > >"Sorry I ran over that kid, but I didn't take the time to learn how to drive > >that car. It's Ford's fault anyway for selling me a car that could be used > >to run over a kid." > > > > > > Poor analogy. You have to have a license to drive a car. I think it fits. You have to have a license - unfortunatly, common sense isn't a requirement. > Also, when you start to use terms that people interpret as emotional > reactions, they tend to discount what you are trying to say. You would > be much better off arguing the issues. You never did answer why the > packages I mentioned in the first paragraph are necessary by default. Because the Sheeple don't read the manual, and therefore don't know any better, Bruce. For the most part, they're lives are "too busy to afford the time to learn". B S From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jun 3 18:13:53 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Thu Jun 3 17:09:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Virus? References: <1086126511.15640.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp><1086183809.18776.6.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BE26AC.60004@then7.com><40BE27D9.1030705@then7.com> <1086211064.28788.0.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <40BE4C44.9000905@then7.com> Message-ID: <01cc01c449b8$0e3b1660$0200a8c0@jeff> > do you have a message that was sent to you from the infected machine? Try this... (of course, I didn't send anything of the sort...) Return-path: Received: from ms-mta-01 (ms-mta-01-smtp [10.93.38.11]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HYQ003SLVYSK4@ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com> for geoff @ satx.rr.com; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:13:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lamx02.mgw.rr.com (lamx02.mgw.rr.com [66.75.160.13]) by ms-mta-01.texas.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HYQ00371VYSUU@ms-mta-01.texas.rr.com> for geoff @ satx.rr.com (ORCPT geoff @ satx.rr.com); Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from info.com (w192.z208177035.bos-ma.dsl.cnc.net [208.177.35.192]) by lamx02.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id i53ID0K5000847; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:04:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Info@apci.com Subject: Mailing Error To: cees@satx.rr.com Message-id: <5bfd2770b47459.47656.qmail@apci.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="====e0a83392d10b4c6913f" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 35962 W32.Sober.G@mm Original-recipient: rfc822;geoff@satx.rr.com now... lookit the "To:" line... does cees@satx.rr.com even RHYME with geoff @ satx.rr.com? (munged by me, on purpose From hstreit at swri.edu Thu Jun 3 20:06:46 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Thu Jun 3 19:04:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] X.org and Slackware-current as of 01jun04 Message-ID: <40BFBD16.80207@swri.edu> Guys, I run Slackware on three or four machines here at work and one at home. I'm curious on anyone's thoughts/advice regarding the switch from XFree86 to X.org. Has anyone come across any issues with the switch? How about for Nvidia's binary-only drivers and OpenGL support? None of the machines are mission-critical, I'm just trying to get an idea of how much (if any) of a headache I might be in for. I'm still having flashbacks from the whole GCC 2.95 to 3.x fiasco I had a while back... Thanks. From slacker at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 3 21:25:02 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Thu Jun 3 20:19:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> <40BF3477.4040107@jedicouncil.nu> Message-ID: <20040603202502.3fac1634@malaga.home> Not only is it fast, but they have lots of goodies...thanks! On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:11:56 -0500 WrkWatchr wrote: > Here is the one that I use and it seems to be pretty fast and I never > seem to have a problem getting access. > > ftp://ftp.biochem.uthscsa.edu/pub/linux/' > > Roy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott A. Simpson" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio > > > Mike wrote: > > My question for you is: what good mirrors do you use? Do you > > know of a repository at utexas.edu? I can't seem to find one, but > > I can get to www.utexas.edu in only 11 hops, jumping straight from > > an rr.com domain to a utexas.edu domain, although it does seem to go > > through houston in RR's network. On the other hand, utsa.edu is 28 > > hops away, and seems to go all the way through houston, dalas, > > kansas city and chicago on at least 4 different network domains > > before coming back. Also, you DSL users should speak up: you may > > like to use different mirrors if our networks are all that > > seperated. > > > > thanks for your info, > > - mike > > for debian, St. Mary's is and official mirror. the address is > natasha.stmarytx.edu. I use it for my debian server and its pretty > responsive, course i live down the street :D > > scott > > -- > Scott A. Simpson > scott@jedicouncil.nu > > > If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, > would it ? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Jun 3 22:05:05 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jun 3 21:02:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] good mirrors for San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20040603202502.3fac1634@malaga.home> References: <20040601064730.54518.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com><40BF3477.4040107@jedicouncil.nu> <20040603202502.3fac1634@malaga.home> Message-ID: <64140.66.69.86.170.1086314705.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Paul S. Bains said: > Not only is it fast, but they have lots of goodies...thanks! > > On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:11:56 -0500 > WrkWatchr wrote: > >> Here is the one that I use and it seems to be pretty fast and I never >> seem to have a problem getting access. >> >> ftp://ftp.biochem.uthscsa.edu/pub/linux/' These goodies are in part done by myself and Dr. Demeler. I keep the ISOs images of various distros on there pretty current. Unfortunately, we have to limit the number of anonymous logins to 10 due to the fact that previously, we were using terabytes per month for data transfers. Please keep that in mind. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From cautious at worldpost.com Fri Jun 4 00:19:09 2004 From: cautious at worldpost.com (Carl) Date: Thu Jun 3 23:16:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Dude, Where's my SATLUG Digest? Message-ID: <1086322749.2428.55.camel@zeppo> I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but here's my story. I am a RR subscriber for my primary ISP. Folks, I have had very good results with RR's cable modem service, for both personal use and live production support from home. I use an intermediary remailer, worldpost.com for my personal E-mail, forwarded through satx.rr.com. I've used worldpost for over 7 years, and RR now for over 3.5 years without "too" many issues. Although, I do recall a few first level Time Warner RR (un)Help Desk (dis)Service Associates who could not comprehend why I was not running M$ Internet Exploder, or even said "Ohhhh, I'm sorry, we don't support LINUX........" <*sigh*> For those not familiar with it, Worldpost.com is a small local (SATX) service provider which affords me the ability to change ISPs without changing my primary E-mail address. I just tell Worldpost where/which account & ISP to redirect my E-mail to. Worldpost may be somewhat more "cryptic" to use, but it works for me and has worked well for over 7 years. Don't expect 24x7 support for personal accounts, but their tech support has been thorough and responsive to issues like blocking SPAMMERS. In recent past I've thought I was really forgetting things when I read in the SATLUG-Digest the reply to an E-mail, when I could swear I never read the original E-mail. Doh! Today I payed closer attention. I have, in consecutive receipt, with a few intervening messages, "Satlug Digest, Vol 5, Issue 7," "Satlug Digest, Vol 5, Issue 8," and "Satlug Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11." Where, one might reasonably ask, are "Satlug Digest, Vol 5, Issue 9" and "Satlug Digest, Vol 5, Issue 10?" In the past, I've had a few messages that were not delivered from worldpost.com to satx.rr.com, but I finally received a follow-up message like: Your message has encountered delivery problems to the following recipients: cmuellnerjr@satx.rr.com Unable to deliver to destination domain Failed to deliver to domain satx.rr.com after 219 tries. This time, nothing, nada, nil. In the past, sheer inertia and the unwillingness to play with the Time-Warner Help Desk merry-go-round have rendered my interest in pursuing this issue > /dev/null. Before I start to chase the thread through Time-Warner/RR, and inevitably Worldpost.com, has anyone else seen similar conditions? So, Dudes and Dudettes, any clues to where's my SATLUG-Digest? Thanks! From skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu Fri Jun 4 08:56:45 2004 From: skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu (Steve Kolars) Date: Fri Jun 4 07:54:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest Update Message-ID: <40C0718D.3060507@venus.sac.accd.edu> At the InstallFest: 1. Linux installs all morning (maybe all day). 2. FreeBSD installs all morning (hopefully). 3. At 9 a.m. Heidi Webb will be conducting an introduction to vim hands-on workshop (for beginners). 4. At 1 p.m. Tom Weeks will be conducting the following hands on workshop (not for beginners): > Fedora Core/Red Hat Kickstart based Network installs and standardized > provisioning: 4hrs > -Doing a basic/manual network install > -overview of the RH kickstart process > -Setting up a kickstart server > -Creating automated KS files > -Setting up KS boot media > -Performing centralized, customized, KS installs Steve From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Fri Jun 4 10:35:10 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Fri Jun 4 09:31:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux Message-ID: <8C3F94E7D77CD44B877E77DAEEF7911A07F6A0@amedmlsatx02.amed.ds.army.mil> Geoff: Can you drop that SuSE 7.3 by SAC today/tomorrow? I'll get Walt installed and I have another notebook that needs some upgrades (it currently has Suse 7.?) and I don't have those CDs. Othniel Graichen If you drop it by today leave it in 213B or give to Kolars/Boswell. Thanks in advance. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Geoff/W5OMR Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:42 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. that being the case, I've got a complete SuSE 7.3 Pro distro I'd be more than happy to donate to the cause. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jun 4 10:53:31 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Fri Jun 4 09:49:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <8C3F94E7D77CD44B877E77DAEEF7911A07F6A0@amedmlsatx02.amed.ds.army.mil> Message-ID: <02ba01c44a43$b3ec2b40$0200a8c0@jeff> > Geoff: > > Can you drop that SuSE 7.3 by SAC today/tomorrow? I'll get Walt > installed and I have another notebook that needs some upgrades > (it currently has Suse 7.?) and I don't have those CDs. > > Othniel Graichen > > If you drop it by today leave it in 213B or give to Kolars/Boswell. > > Thanks in advance. Sorry - can't get there, before the install fest, and unfortunately, won't be available for the 'fest... on my way out of town, now - and I can 'exactly' lay immediate hands on it. New Carpet, new paint, throughout the house, everything shuffled and moved around - where my stuff is, is still an unknown. For all the HAMS on the list, this is "Vintage Field Day" weekend. I'm on my way to Medina Lake with my boatanchors. 73 W5OMR From akonstam at trinity.edu Fri Jun 4 15:30:30 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:24:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] IOmega Zip drives on a parallel port. Message-ID: <20040604193030.GA4502@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> My method to get iomega external zip drives to work under FC1 has been to do: modprobe ppa and then use /dev/sda4. This used to work and now it doesn't. In addition zip disks created on an internal iomega drive l associated with /dev/hdd can not be read on the external zip drive. Currently most commands say /dev/sda4 is not a block device and when I do a mkfs it starts but when it starts writing blocks the iomega drive sounds like a machine gun which never stops and the process can't be easily killed. Any wisdom would be appreciated. This has happened with two different iomega external drives so I am puzzled.. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From akonstam at trinity.edu Fri Jun 4 15:30:30 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:34:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] IOmega Zip drives on a parallel port. Message-ID: <20040604193030.GA4502@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> My method to get iomega external zip drives to work under FC1 has been to do: modprobe ppa and then use /dev/sda4. This used to work and now it doesn't. In addition zip disks created on an internal iomega drive l associated with /dev/hdd can not be read on the external zip drive. Currently most commands say /dev/sda4 is not a block device and when I do a mkfs it starts but when it starts writing blocks the iomega drive sounds like a machine gun which never stops and the process can't be easily killed. Any wisdom would be appreciated. This has happened with two different iomega external drives so I am puzzled.. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list From dubose at texas.net Fri Jun 4 18:24:56 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Fri Jun 4 17:21:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <8C3F94E7D77CD44B877E77DAEEF7911A07F6A0@amedmlsatx02.amed.ds.army.mil> Message-ID: <40C0F6B8.9415AA12@texas.net> I had hoped to be there tomorrow at the Installfest but I have to make an IEEE 802.11b presentation to a hamradio group tomorrow. Thanks for the help Geoff and Othniel. BTW for Othniel, Tom Tamez says hello. Walt "Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS" wrote: > > Geoff: > > Can you drop that SuSE 7.3 by SAC today/tomorrow? I'll get Walt > installed and I have another notebook that needs some upgrades > (it currently has Suse 7.?) and I don't have those CDs. > > Othniel Graichen > > If you drop it by today leave it in 213B or give to Kolars/Boswell. > > Thanks in advance. > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On > Behalf Of Geoff/W5OMR > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:42 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux > > > > > > > I think Walt is going to have to back up a bit and use an older > > distribution -- maybe RH9, RH8, Mandrake7.2, SuSE8, or something like > > that which will be happy with OO in just 64Meg. > > that being the case, I've got a complete SuSE 7.3 Pro distro I'd be more than > happy to > donate to the cause. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Jun 4 18:55:36 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Jun 4 17:53:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: [satlug-etc] John Terpstra Samba Dallas events - June 16-19] Message-ID: <1086389736.5262.13.camel@laptop> Alex, Thanks for putting this out on the SATLUG-etc list. But I think its sooooo on-topic that is should be on the regular SATLUG list. So, who's up for a little trip later this month? Maybe SATLUG should put in a good showing up in Dallas... Chuck -----Forwarded Message----- From: Alex Monteiro To: satlug-etc@satlug.org Subject: [satlug-etc] John Terpstra Samba Dallas events - June 16-19 Date: 04 Jun 2004 14:59:10 -0700 Freedom Technology Center is proud to announce a series of events happening in Dallas, TX. from June 16th - 19th in conjunction with the Seattle ITEC (www.goitec.com) show. >From 7:00-8:30 on June 16th, John H. Terpstra is having a special meet-the-author cocktail reception to promote his latest book "Samba-3 By Example". The event is sponsored by his publisher Prentice Hall and will be held at the South Side on Lamar http://www.southsideonlamar.com/ facility in Dallas. The Dallas ITEC show is June 16-17 at the Dallas Convention Center. Freedom Technology Center's John H. Terpstra will be presenting two sessions on June 17th. The first session is Analyzing ROI for Linux Migration (Strategic Series) and the second is Running Linux in a Windows World (Implementation Series). ITEC has made the following offer to Dallas area Linux User Group members - feel free to pass it along: EXCLUSIVE OFFER for Dallas area Linux User Group members. Attend John Terpstra's session at ITEC for Free - a $295 Value. Register today for a Free Conference Pass to ITEC at www.goitec.com/reg/dal/ and use priority code FTCDAL. Click here for more information on the sessions John is presenting http://www.goitec.com/live/15/events/15DAL04/conferences/conferencetracks/21/QYWEFA000Q13 Following the ITEC show, Freedom Technology Center is offering a special 1-Day tutorial on June 18th instructed by John H. Terpstra titled "Samba-3 By Example". The tutorial will be held at the South Side on Lamar facility. This intensive 1-Day tutorial is an accelerated overview of the topics John covers in his hands-on training workshops. Each attendee will receive a copy of John's "Samba-3 By Example" book as part of the tutorial. All LUG and FTC announce-list members are entitled to a 10% discount on the tutorial. You can visit the class page here: http://freedomtechnologycenter.org/classes/samba/ . Following the tutorial will be a 6:00pm open-invitation cocktail reception sponsored by our friends at South Side on Lamar and the South Side Technology Center. On Saturday June 19th, Mr. Terpstra will be presenting a 1+ hour Samba-3 overview at the North Texas LUG's monthly meeting. Please visit their page at http://www.ntlug.org for directions and details. Contact us at info@freedomtechnologycenter.org or toll free at 866-643-3733 for more information. -- Alex Monteiro Program Manager - Freedom Technology Center Toll Free: 866-643-3733 Fax: 650-964-4268 Offering the world's best in Open Source training. http://www.freedomtechnologycenter.org _______________________________________________ satlug-etc mailing list satlug-etc@satlug.org http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Jun 5 03:41:58 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Jun 5 02:39:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: [satlug-etc] John Terpstra Samba Dallas events - June 16-19] References: <1086389736.5262.13.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <001d01c44ad0$952ffe60$6e01a8c0@thomas> I've known Alex for several years - I developed the TurboLinux Certified Instructor courseware for him at TurboLinux. He's good people, and I'm excited as heck to hear about John's trip to Dallas. I met John Terpstra at TurboLinux - man, what a brain. Odd bird, but then the brilliant ones usually are. If you can possibly go to this event, you really, really need to go. John has forgotten more about Samba than I will probably ever know... Cheers, Thomas Cameron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "SATLUG" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: [satlug-etc] John Terpstra Samba Dallas events - June 16-19] > Alex, > > Thanks for putting this out on the SATLUG-etc list. But I think its > sooooo on-topic that is should be on the regular SATLUG list. > > So, who's up for a little trip later this month? Maybe SATLUG should > put in a good showing up in Dallas... > > > Chuck > > > > -----Forwarded Message----- > > From: Alex Monteiro > To: satlug-etc@satlug.org > Subject: [satlug-etc] John Terpstra Samba Dallas events - June 16-19 > Date: 04 Jun 2004 14:59:10 -0700 > > Freedom Technology Center is proud to announce a series of events > happening in Dallas, TX. from June 16th - 19th in conjunction with the > Seattle ITEC (www.goitec.com) show. > > >From 7:00-8:30 on June 16th, John H. Terpstra is having a special > meet-the-author cocktail reception to promote his latest book "Samba-3 By > Example". The event is sponsored by his publisher Prentice Hall and will > be held at the South Side on Lamar http://www.southsideonlamar.com/ > facility in Dallas. > > The Dallas ITEC show is June 16-17 at the Dallas Convention Center. > Freedom Technology Center's John H. Terpstra will be presenting two > sessions on June 17th. The first session is Analyzing ROI for Linux > Migration (Strategic Series) and the second is Running Linux in a Windows > World (Implementation Series). ITEC has made the following offer to Dallas > area Linux User Group members - feel free to pass it along: > > EXCLUSIVE OFFER for Dallas area Linux User Group members. Attend John > Terpstra's session at ITEC for Free - a $295 Value. Register today for a > Free Conference Pass to ITEC at www.goitec.com/reg/dal/ and use priority > code FTCDAL. Click here for more information on the sessions John is > presenting > http://www.goitec.com/live/15/events/15DAL04/conferences/conferencetracks/21/QYWEFA000Q13 > > > Following the ITEC show, Freedom Technology Center is offering a special > 1-Day tutorial on June 18th instructed by John H. Terpstra titled "Samba-3 > By Example". The tutorial will be held at the South Side on Lamar > facility. This intensive 1-Day tutorial is an accelerated overview of the > topics John covers in his hands-on training workshops. Each attendee will > receive a copy of John's "Samba-3 By Example" book as part of the > tutorial. All LUG and FTC announce-list members are entitled to a 10% > discount on the tutorial. You can visit the class page here: > http://freedomtechnologycenter.org/classes/samba/ . Following the tutorial > will be a 6:00pm open-invitation cocktail reception sponsored by our > friends at South Side on Lamar and the South Side Technology Center. > > On Saturday June 19th, Mr. Terpstra will be presenting a 1+ hour Samba-3 > overview at the North Texas LUG's monthly meeting. Please visit their page > at http://www.ntlug.org for directions and details. > > Contact us at info@freedomtechnologycenter.org or toll free at > 866-643-3733 for more information. > > -- > Alex Monteiro > Program Manager - Freedom Technology Center > Toll Free: 866-643-3733 Fax: 650-964-4268 > > Offering the world's best in Open Source training. > http://www.freedomtechnologycenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > satlug-etc mailing list > satlug-etc@satlug.org > http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug-etc > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Sat Jun 5 07:22:53 2004 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Jun 5 06:12:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SOLARIS GOES OPEN-SOURCE In-Reply-To: <40BF7D79.4030003@then7.com> References: <20040603183221.BDBCA838C8A1@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <40BF7D79.4030003@then7.com> Message-ID: <1086434574.724.21.camel@raphael> On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 14:35, Eli wrote: > dubose@texas.net wrote: > > How do they do that? I thought Solaris was technology built by Sun, with > a UNIX license from SCO. > > (licensed from SCO as all the other proprietary unixes are, e.g. AIX, > HPUX, IRIX etc) > I remember reading an interview with Bill Joy a couple of years back where he stated that the only thing which kept Sun from open-sourcing Solaris was a few proprietary things which were licensed by another company. He did mention AT&T in the interview. He did not mention SCO, or Novell. I think that if Sun is going to do this, they have had lawyers all over the source code and the licenses they purchased to make sure they can pull this off without loosing any of that $2billion -- "Use Evolution. Send e-mail, not worms," says Vasiliy the VurmRitter From jftitan at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 5 13:56:02 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Sat Jun 5 12:53:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 Message-ID: <200406051756.i55Hu5lL019028@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> Hello Everybody, Simple question, I have a computer that the FAT32 partition decided to take a turn for the worse. Well I took the 10GB HDD and piggy backed it on a 5GB drive with NTFS. The question I have is, how can I get Read Write Access to the HDDs when in Knoppix 3.4. The drives show up w/o problems, and I can access all the files, what I want to do is copy the documents from the 10GB FAT32 to the 5GB NTFS. So I can rebuild the 10GB. I just cannot figure out how to enable it, even in 'SU' -Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Administrator SwapNEtwork eXtreme, Inc. jftitan@satx.rr.com (jftitan@swapnetx.com) cell 210.834.3450 fax 775.415.9280 From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jun 5 14:11:29 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Sat Jun 5 13:07:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 References: <200406051756.i55Hu5lL019028@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <015201c44b28$86792d80$0200a8c0@jeff> > > Hello Everybody, > > Simple question, I have a computer that the FAT32 partition decided to > take a turn for the worse. Well I took the 10GB HDD and piggy backed it on a > 5GB drive with NTFS. The question I have is, how can I get Read Write > Access to the HDDs when in Knoppix 3.4. The drives show up w/o problems, > and I can access all the files, what I want to do is copy the documents from > the 10GB FAT32 to the 5GB NTFS. So I can rebuild the 10GB. > > I just cannot figure out how to enable it, even in 'SU' I bought an 80gig drive from a friend who owns a computer shop, north of Houston, TX. The drive was (as per my request) filled with mp3's, and formatted under XP (ntfs). Ok - the latter wasn't my request, but I really had no problem with it. I had the drive in my server for a long time, and like you, was able to access the files (even play the songs) but there's no way in hell it would let me write, because (with kernel 2.4.xx) rw on an NTFS partion is/was strictly experimental. I'm not sure that's changed. mount /dev/hdb1 on /80gig type ntfs (rw,umask=022) (that's what I used to use to mount it. Try at your own risk) --- -Geoff From jftitan at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 5 14:38:36 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Sat Jun 5 13:36:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 In-Reply-To: <015201c44b28$86792d80$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: <200406051838.i55IcaHw016703@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> Thanks Geoff, Well that resolved the access permissions on the /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1, but now I'm trying to remount my /dev/hda1. I tried to umount it, but I keep getting a busy error. So I tried umount -f /dev/hda1, but forcing it doesn't help. I just tried umount -t ntfs -f /dev/hda1, and I pretty much got the sme error. Man I wish I was better in linux, This quarter I'm taking Linux classes finally, but I need a crash course in this right about now. Thanks again -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Geoff/W5OMR Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:11 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 > > Hello Everybody, > > Simple question, I have a computer that the FAT32 partition decided > to take a turn for the worse. Well I took the 10GB HDD and piggy backed it on a > 5GB drive with NTFS. The question I have is, how can I get Read Write > Access to the HDDs when in Knoppix 3.4. The drives show up w/o problems, > and I can access all the files, what I want to do is copy the > documents from the 10GB FAT32 to the 5GB NTFS. So I can rebuild the 10GB. > > I just cannot figure out how to enable it, even in 'SU' I bought an 80gig drive from a friend who owns a computer shop, north of Houston, TX. The drive was (as per my request) filled with mp3's, and formatted under XP (ntfs). Ok - the latter wasn't my request, but I really had no problem with it. I had the drive in my server for a long time, and like you, was able to access the files (even play the songs) but there's no way in hell it would let me write, because (with kernel 2.4.xx) rw on an NTFS partion is/was strictly experimental. I'm not sure that's changed. mount /dev/hdb1 on /80gig type ntfs (rw,umask=022) (that's what I used to use to mount it. Try at your own risk) --- -Geoff _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jun 5 14:46:27 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Sat Jun 5 13:43:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 References: <200406051838.i55IcaHw016703@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <015a01c44b2d$68db98d0$0200a8c0@jeff> > Thanks Geoff, > > Well that resolved the access permissions on the /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1, but > now I'm trying to remount my /dev/hda1. I tried to umount it, but I keep > getting a busy error. So I tried umount -f /dev/hda1, but forcing it > doesn't help. I just tried umount -t ntfs -f /dev/hda1, and I pretty much > got the sme error. > > Man I wish I was better in linux, This quarter I'm taking Linux classes > finally, but I need a crash course in this right about now. > > Thanks again dude... I'm only able to help you, because I've "been there, done that". If it wasn't for some very kind hearted people (some one the list, some in other arenas) I wouldn't know what I do know (and that ain't much!) about Linux. I DO know, that you can NOT be in the dir that you're trying to umount... (ie: after you've mounted the drive to /mnt/hdb1, you can't be in the /mnt/hdb1 dir when you umount it) Why would you want to umount /dev/hda1 anyway? Isn't that the swap? -Geoff From jftitan at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 5 14:56:53 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Sat Jun 5 13:54:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 In-Reply-To: <015a01c44b2d$68db98d0$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: <200406051856.i55Iurt2000979@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> Yeah, I just realized that.. I finally got out of the dir, and restarted my knoppix, and volia! Umount works on both hda1/hdb1 and I now am copying the 30MBs of data.. I wish I realized this last night. Thanks Again, Geoff. You've been a lot of help. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Geoff/W5OMR Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:46 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 > Thanks Geoff, > > Well that resolved the access permissions on the /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1, but > now I'm trying to remount my /dev/hda1. I tried to umount it, but I keep > getting a busy error. So I tried umount -f /dev/hda1, but forcing it > doesn't help. I just tried umount -t ntfs -f /dev/hda1, and I pretty much > got the sme error. > > Man I wish I was better in linux, This quarter I'm taking Linux > classes finally, but I need a crash course in this right about now. > > Thanks again dude... I'm only able to help you, because I've "been there, done that". If it wasn't for some very kind hearted people (some one the list, some in other arenas) I wouldn't know what I do know (and that ain't much!) about Linux. I DO know, that you can NOT be in the dir that you're trying to umount... (ie: after you've mounted the drive to /mnt/hdb1, you can't be in the /mnt/hdb1 dir when you umount it) Why would you want to umount /dev/hda1 anyway? Isn't that the swap? -Geoff _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jun 5 15:51:37 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Sat Jun 5 14:47:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 References: <200406051856.i55Iurt2000979@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <016a01c44b36$83add020$0200a8c0@jeff> > Yeah, I just realized that.. > > > I finally got out of the dir, and restarted my knoppix, and volia! Umount > works on both hda1/hdb1 and I now am copying the 30MBs of data.. I wish I > realized this last night. > > > Thanks Again, Geoff. You've been a lot of help. Still wondering... Why would you want to umount /dev/hda1 anyway? Isn't that the swap? not to mention the boot partition... I guess it's got something to with why you're booting on the CD anyway... --- Regards, -Geoff From jftitan at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 5 19:46:10 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Sat Jun 5 18:32:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 In-Reply-To: <016a01c44b36$83add020$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: <200406052346.i55NkAHw005267@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> Well the situation is I came across a old Celeron with a 10GB HDD. Well the computer has some documents that the old owner wanted backed up, and given to him. The Computer used to have Win98, but the problem about that was, for the 3 plus years he had the machine, he never did a thing on preventitive maintence. So a few clusters on the FAT table went bad. Thus not allowing windows to start. So in return of a spare computer I was to get the documents off the drive. Initially I installed a second 5GB HDD as master, to install something as a starting OS, so I could copy the 30MB of data off and burn to CD. Long story short, it became a complex situation that should have been simple. I forgot I had a old Iomega USB Burner. Believe me I was a bit T-ed Off when I realized I could have just started Knoppix(So I took a Nap), and pulled data off and burn it to a USB Burner. I just wanted Read/Write access to both drives so I could copy the data off and then put it on another computer on the network to burn to disc. That is pretty much everything in a nutshell. -Joseph -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Geoff/W5OMR Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 2:52 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 > Yeah, I just realized that.. > > > I finally got out of the dir, and restarted my knoppix, and volia! Umount > works on both hda1/hdb1 and I now am copying the 30MBs of data.. I wish I > realized this last night. > > > Thanks Again, Geoff. You've been a lot of help. Still wondering... Why would you want to umount /dev/hda1 anyway? Isn't that the swap? not to mention the boot partition... I guess it's got something to with why you're booting on the CD anyway... --- Regards, -Geoff _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Sat Jun 5 22:18:23 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Sat Jun 5 21:04:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 In-Reply-To: <016a01c44b36$83add020$0200a8c0@jeff> References: <200406051856.i55Iurt2000979@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> <016a01c44b36$83add020$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: <1086488304.1327.1.camel@laptop> Geoff, You're thinking too much like a Linux person. Joe mentioned that the drive was FAT32 which means it was either Win98 or WinME. Either way, it would use the first partition, be FAT32, and have no swap. Gotta get back into that MicroBlows thinking buddy... Chuck On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 14:51, Geoff/W5OMR wrote: > > > Yeah, I just realized that.. > > > > > > I finally got out of the dir, and restarted my knoppix, and volia! Umount > > works on both hda1/hdb1 and I now am copying the 30MBs of data.. I wish I > > realized this last night. > > > > > > Thanks Again, Geoff. You've been a lot of help. > > Still wondering... > > Why would you want to umount /dev/hda1 anyway? Isn't that the swap? > not to mention the boot partition... > > I guess it's got something to with why you're booting on the CD anyway... > > > --- > Regards, > -Geoff > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From akonstam at trinity.edu Sun Jun 6 17:22:36 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Sun Jun 6 16:05:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] zip drives and my stupidity. Message-ID: <20040606212236.GA16961@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> In the last few days I have been asking about two problems I was having with my zip drives: 1. I was having trouble formatting and accessing my external zip drive and mounting from device /dev/sda4 2. My internal zip drive on another machine could not seem to produce zip disk that my external zip drive cold read. After much hair pulling and advice form people on the list I solved these problems and exposed my ability to do stupid things. The answer to both problems were contained in the following simple concept partition tables. Once I created a partition table for sda with an entry only for sda4 and realized that the internal zip drive should be made access hdd4 all went well. Now that you all know the secret and can laugh at the stupidity of one other, everyone can be happy. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From michael.basnight at swri.org Sun Jun 6 18:44:39 2004 From: michael.basnight at swri.org (Michael G Basnight) Date: Sun Jun 6 17:31:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup Message-ID: <2d546d2dcc07.2dcc072d546d@swri.org> I have a off topic post, mostly because of some trouble one of my kids got into at a hotel. I need to know the name of a sprint cell phone customer [all I have is the number on the bill], and I was wondering if there were any FREE ways of doing so. Ive been googlin' like theres no tomorrow, but all I get is paid services ranging from 29-125 for this info. I can find "home" phone numbers, but no dirt on cell numbers. P.S. someone tell me if this is illegal / violation of HIPPA! Muchos gracias all, Michael Basnight. From Wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Sun Jun 6 19:57:35 2004 From: Wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (WrkWatchr) Date: Sun Jun 6 18:40:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup References: <2d546d2dcc07.2dcc072d546d@swri.org> Message-ID: Definitely NOT a violation of HIPPA (Health Information and Patient Protection Act) BTW - if you figure out how to get the name, please let us know. I could use it as well. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael G Basnight" To: Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:44 PM Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup I have a off topic post, mostly because of some trouble one of my kids got into at a hotel. I need to know the name of a sprint cell phone customer [all I have is the number on the bill], and I was wondering if there were any FREE ways of doing so. Ive been googlin' like theres no tomorrow, but all I get is paid services ranging from 29-125 for this info. I can find "home" phone numbers, but no dirt on cell numbers. P.S. someone tell me if this is illegal / violation of HIPPA! Muchos gracias all, Michael Basnight. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From msellers at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 7 00:01:59 2004 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Sun Jun 6 22:47:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup In-Reply-To: References: <2d546d2dcc07.2dcc072d546d@swri.org> Message-ID: <40C3E8B7.6080408@sbcglobal.net> That's HIPAA, Health Information Privacy Assurance Act. Totally different from the Privacy Act. Mike WrkWatchr wrote: >Definitely NOT a violation of HIPPA (Health Information and Patient >Protection Act) > >BTW - if you figure out how to get the name, please let us know. I could use >it as well. > >Roy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael G Basnight" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:44 PM >Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup > > >I have a off topic post, mostly because of some trouble one of my kids got >into at a hotel. I need to know the name of a sprint cell phone customer >[all I have is the number on the bill], and I was wondering if there were >any FREE ways of doing so. > >Ive been googlin' like theres no tomorrow, but all I get is paid services >ranging from 29-125 for this info. I can find "home" phone numbers, but no >dirt on cell numbers. > >P.S. someone tell me if this is illegal / violation of HIPPA! > >Muchos gracias all, >Michael Basnight. > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From akonstam at trinity.edu Mon Jun 7 09:29:48 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Mon Jun 7 08:12:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [akonstam: [akonstam: zip drives and my stupidity.]] Message-ID: <20040607132948.GA19719@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> In the last few days I have been asking about two problems I was having with my zip drives: 1. I was having trouble formatting and accessing my external zip drive and mounting from device /dev/sda4 2. My internal zip drive on another machine could not seem to produce zip disk that my external zip drive cold read. After much hair pulling and advice from people on the list I solved these problems and exposed my ability to do stupid things. The answer to both problems were contained in the following simple concept partition tables. Once I created a partition table for sda with an entry only for sda4 and realized that the internal zip drive should be made access hdd4 all went well. Now that you all know the secret and can laugh at the stupidity of one other, everyone can be happy. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From zeb.fletcher at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 7 12:56:55 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at sbcglobal.net (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Jun 7 11:43:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup In-Reply-To: <2d546d2dcc07.2dcc072d546d@swri.org> Message-ID: <200406071643.i57Gh6I16876@alamo.satlug.org> There is no way as of yet to search for the user. One thing you could try is contacting Sprint Customer service and explain your problem to them. Cell numbers will not be public until next year. There is a push to produce a national database of all subscribers and there numbers. All the major carriers except VerizonWireless have already agreed to opt-in to the database. For those of you who are worried about your privacy you will need to contact your carrier and opt-out of this feature. Zeb -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Michael G Basnight Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:45 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup I have a off topic post, mostly because of some trouble one of my kids got into at a hotel. I need to know the name of a sprint cell phone customer [all I have is the number on the bill], and I was wondering if there were any FREE ways of doing so. Ive been googlin' like theres no tomorrow, but all I get is paid services ranging from 29-125 for this info. I can find "home" phone numbers, but no dirt on cell numbers. P.S. someone tell me if this is illegal / violation of HIPPA! Muchos gracias all, Michael Basnight. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dino at texas.net Mon Jun 7 16:35:54 2004 From: dino at texas.net (Dean Davenport) Date: Mon Jun 7 15:22:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup In-Reply-To: <200406071700.i57H05I17021@alamo.satlug.org> References: <200406071700.i57H05I17021@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <40C4D1AA.90708@texas.net> You might be able to call at an odd hour from a pay phone and get the voice mail of the customer. They may use their name in the greeting. > > Subject: > [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup > From: > Michael G Basnight > Date: > Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:44:39 -0500 > To: > satlug@satlug.org > > To: > satlug@satlug.org > > >I have a off topic post, mostly because of some trouble one of my kids got into at a hotel. I need to know the name of a sprint cell phone customer [all I have is the number on the bill], and I was wondering if there were any FREE ways of doing so. > >Ive been googlin' like theres no tomorrow, but all I get is paid services ranging from 29-125 for this info. I can find "home" phone numbers, but no dirt on cell numbers. > >P.S. someone tell me if this is illegal / violation of HIPPA! > >Muchos gracias all, >Michael Basnight. > > > From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Mon Jun 7 16:55:40 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Mon Jun 7 15:32:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables assistance.. Message-ID: <1086641740.2560.8.camel@zeus.matrix> I have been testing out the Iptables setup on a node for the last month. It runs well, the speed not differing from that of the previous ipchains firewall. (won't really know until I put it on the 486-133 ;) The question is, when the firewall script goes active, I get loads of errors like the one below in /var/log/messages and on the server's console. I don't recognize the 10.x address used here. My network uses 10.0.0.x/25 and my outside interface is eth0. Is this an intrusion attempt or something I can ignore?. Is there a way to get it to stop messing with the console for this? I don't mind /var/log/messages. Error Message: Jun 7 15:35:52 cs2426252-141 kernel: martian source 10.40.254.53 from 10.40.224.1, on dev eth0 Jun 7 15:35:52 cs2426252-141 kernel: ll header: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:05:74:f4:60:54:08:06 Thanks for your help! FIRESTORM_v1 From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Mon Jun 7 17:03:42 2004 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Mon Jun 7 15:49:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables assistance.. In-Reply-To: <1086641740.2560.8.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1086641740.2560.8.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <1086642221.19473.6.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> I don't remember where, I do remember a specific reference to "martians source" and denial of such request in firewall setups. I'm sure if you did a google of it, you'll figure it out. http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2001-March/msg02916.html http://www.netsys.com/suse-linux-security/2000-Nov/msg00248.html Basic info - two boxes have the same ip and its causing conflicts. Tim On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 15:55, Matt wrote: > I have been testing out the Iptables setup on a node for the last month. > It runs well, the speed not differing from that of the previous ipchains > firewall. (won't really know until I put it on the 486-133 ;) > > The question is, when the firewall script goes active, I get loads of > errors like the one below in /var/log/messages and on the server's > console. I don't recognize the 10.x address used here. My network uses > 10.0.0.x/25 and my outside interface is eth0. Is this an intrusion > attempt or something I can ignore?. Is there a way to get it to stop > messing with the console for this? I don't mind /var/log/messages. > > Error Message: > > Jun 7 15:35:52 cs2426252-141 kernel: martian source 10.40.254.53 from > 10.40.224.1, on dev eth0 > Jun 7 15:35:52 cs2426252-141 kernel: ll header: > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:05:74:f4:60:54:08:06 > > Thanks for your help! > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Timothy Beck From yatinhat at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 15:11:04 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Mon Jun 7 15:57:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Offers Free Server Software Licenses In-Reply-To: <200406071700.i57H09I17034@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040607211104.37897.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> Microsoft Offers Free Server Software Licenses By Robin Arnfield Enterprise Windows I.T. June 7, 2004 1:58PM Microsoft is looking to retain its Software Assurance customers by offering free Windows Server software licenses on a temporary basis for servers used for disaster recovery and patch testing. The move is viewed as an attempt to counter the lure of free open-source software. Faster Web surfing. 24/7 Live Customer Support. Parental Controls. Smarter Spam Filters. Need another reason to check out AOL? Get AOL 2 MONTHS FREE. See offer details. Microsoft announced it will give away free Windows Server software licenses to business users. The free licenses are available as of this month for "cold" servers -- that is, machines that are switched on only for disaster-recovery purposes or for activating and testing software patches. The offering is intended as a sweetener for companies bulk-buying Microsoft licenses. "We believe that this new benefit will make it easier for customers to have another server ready to come online in the event of a disaster," said Cori Hartje, Microsoft's director of marketing for world wide licensing. Software Assurance Boost Microsoft's offer of free server software will be useful particularly for small- and mid-size business customers, as they often cannot afford a full disaster recovery back-up system. The giveaway is part of Microsoft's Software Assurance licensing program, which was introduced in 2001. It is designed to spread the cost of running Microsoft software over a period of time. Software Assurance works on the basis that customers pay a charge of approximately 29 percent of their annual licensing fee for desktop software and 25 percent for server applications, in exchange for free upgrades to the latest version of Microsoft software. The "cold" server provision will be applicable for the remaining term of any two- or three-year Software Assurance contract and is not perpetual. Response to Linux The timing of the announcement suggests that with Linux winning an ever-greater share of the server market, Microsoft is trying to keep customers away from the temptations ofopen source by adopting a strategy similar to that of its rival -- giving away its software. Linux is popular among businesses seeking cheaper ways to set up corporate server networks. With many of its customers' Software Assurance contracts coming up for renewal this year, Microsoft has made an effort to improve the benefits of participating in the Software Assurance program. Last year, Microsoft offered several sweeteners to Software Assurance in the fields of training, support and home-use rights. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From yatinhat at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 15:55:26 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Mon Jun 7 16:41:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WiFi In-Reply-To: <200406071700.i57H09I17034@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040607215526.21272.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> I just got back from Toledo and Cleveland, OH and saw that they have free WiFi community projects going on. It seems they are sharing or allowing others to use their access points to get on the Internet. A while back I read that here in San Antonio, Tx that the ACCD and others were putting up a wireless park downtown whereby people could use the services for free. What ever happened to that project? I haven't heard anything about it lately. It was on the ACCD website and in the SA BUsiness Journal. I know that Starbucks on Guilbeau and Bandera has access points..but you have to have a wireless service..like Boing (spelling???). I was in Austin, Texas a few months ago and heard about an individual that was working on a project called alternate source WiFi for the community (open source LInux). My laptop doesn't have any confidential information and I'm not a doctor.. Although I've heard that several doctor's offices are using wireless without any 128-bit encryption. I just like to keep uptodate w/the news, my stocks, and email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From xXx at satx.rr.com Mon Jun 7 18:10:37 2004 From: xXx at satx.rr.com (-=xXx=-) Date: Mon Jun 7 16:57:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup References: <200406071700.i57H05I17021@alamo.satlug.org> <40C4D1AA.90708@texas.net> Message-ID: <002801c44cdc$44880ee0$6401a8c0@satx.rr.com> Instead of calling at an odd hour just dial your own voice mail (if you are a sprint customer) from your cell phone, then push *. It should prompt you for the a 10 digit phone numer inwhich this case you enter the other persons number with the area code first. after that its like your going to check there voice mail and either the phone number will be stated or the person name if its setup. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Davenport" To: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup > You might be able to call at an odd hour from a pay phone and get the > voice mail of the customer. They may use their name in the greeting. > > > > > Subject: > > [SATLUG] OT: reverse cell phone lookup > > From: > > Michael G Basnight > > Date: > > Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:44:39 -0500 > > To: > > satlug@satlug.org > > > > To: > > satlug@satlug.org > > > > > >I have a off topic post, mostly because of some trouble one of my kids got into at a hotel. I need to know the name of a sprint cell phone customer [all I have is the number on the bill], and I was wondering if there were any FREE ways of doing so. > > > >Ive been googlin' like theres no tomorrow, but all I get is paid services ranging from 29-125 for this info. I can find "home" phone numbers, but no dirt on cell numbers. > > > >P.S. someone tell me if this is illegal / violation of HIPPA! > > > >Muchos gracias all, > >Michael Basnight. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Jun 7 20:38:35 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 7 19:25:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder for June Meeting... Message-ID: <1086655115.1104.29.camel@laptop> Hey everyone, Don't forget the June SATLUG meeting this week! Thursday, 10 Jun at the usual place -- SAC Nail Technical Center room 025 (basement meeting room). See the map for directions http://www.satlug.org/sac-map.html and look for number 4 for the location. Tom Bridgehouse from Sun Microsystems will bring over some of his Sun toys and talk about how Sun is using Linux for their products. And if I know Tom, he'll probably bring copies of the new version of Sun's StarOffice - version 7. And I'm still looking for members willing to share some of their "Tips'n'Tricks". Experienced members know what I'm talking about -- those little tips you've discovered or developed over the years that make working with Linux easier. If anyone is willing to show and talk about their pet script, alias, or shortcut -- we'll have a laptop or two that can be used to show it and how it works. Take two minutes or 15 minutes -- what ever you feel comfortable with. Anyone willing to share their experience should contact me off-list. I'll make sure there are resources for the demonstration and that we can fit in all interested. See you all Thursday. Chuck From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Jun 7 21:08:10 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 7 19:54:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... Message-ID: <1086656891.2061.35.camel@laptop> Fellow SATLUG'gers, Anyone else up for some fun??? There is a MicroBlows "Windows Server System" seminar tomorrow afternoon. Anyone else going to attend? I hope you'll all wear your SATLUG shirts -- just like me! If anyone attending doesn't have one, let me know off-list -- I'll bring an extra shirt or two for those members.... I'm hoping to ask some questions about some of their advertised topics, like: Providing a secure environment for small business... Delivering enterprise level capabilities on a small business budget... Delivering quality support efficiently... I'd sure like to know what corporate change they've made to fill those promises????? Chuck From dubose at texas.net Mon Jun 7 21:24:47 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Mon Jun 7 20:10:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... References: <1086656891.2061.35.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <40C5155F.CD8641BF@texas.net> Where and when? Walt Chuck wrote: > > Fellow SATLUG'gers, > > Anyone else up for some fun??? There is a MicroBlows "Windows Server > System" seminar tomorrow afternoon. Anyone else going to attend? I > hope you'll all wear your SATLUG shirts -- just like me! If anyone > attending doesn't have one, let me know off-list -- I'll bring an extra > shirt or two for those members.... > > I'm hoping to ask some questions about some of their advertised topics, > like: > Providing a secure environment for small business... > Delivering enterprise level capabilities on a small business budget... > Delivering quality support efficiently... > > I'd sure like to know what corporate change they've made to fill those > promises????? > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Jun 7 21:30:41 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Mon Jun 7 20:17:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... References: <1086656891.2061.35.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <002801c44cf8$362855f0$0200a8c0@camerontech.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "SATLUG" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... > Fellow SATLUG'gers, > > Anyone else up for some fun??? There is a MicroBlows "Windows Server > System" seminar tomorrow afternoon. Anyone else going to attend? I > hope you'll all wear your SATLUG shirts -- just like me! If anyone > attending doesn't have one, let me know off-list -- I'll bring an extra > shirt or two for those members.... > > I'm hoping to ask some questions about some of their advertised topics, > like: > Providing a secure environment for small business... > Delivering enterprise level capabilities on a small business budget... > Delivering quality support efficiently... > > I'd sure like to know what corporate change they've made to fill those > promises????? Please don't be an ass at the event... Think how PO'd you'd be (and rightly) if an anti-Linux MS shill came to a SATLUG meeting and started ragging on Linux. Being obnoxious will *not* bring people to Linux. -- Regards, Thomas Cameron From dubose at texas.net Mon Jun 7 21:43:38 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Mon Jun 7 20:29:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... References: <1086656891.2061.35.camel@laptop> <002801c44cf8$362855f0$0200a8c0@camerontech.com> Message-ID: <40C519CA.BD9FBCBD@texas.net> I need to know about W2003 and Xp servers as I will be working with then next year...but I do like to wear my SATLUG Shirt just to give them something to think about. Walt Thomas Cameron wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck" > To: "SATLUG" > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:08 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... > > > Fellow SATLUG'gers, > > > > Anyone else up for some fun??? There is a MicroBlows "Windows Server > > System" seminar tomorrow afternoon. Anyone else going to attend? I > > hope you'll all wear your SATLUG shirts -- just like me! If anyone > > attending doesn't have one, let me know off-list -- I'll bring an extra > > shirt or two for those members.... > > > > I'm hoping to ask some questions about some of their advertised topics, > > like: > > Providing a secure environment for small business... > > Delivering enterprise level capabilities on a small business budget... > > Delivering quality support efficiently... > > > > I'd sure like to know what corporate change they've made to fill those > > promises????? > > Please don't be an ass at the event... Think how PO'd you'd be (and > rightly) if an anti-Linux MS shill came to a SATLUG meeting and started > ragging on Linux. Being obnoxious will *not* bring people to Linux. > > -- > Regards, > Thomas Cameron > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scott at jedicouncil.nu Mon Jun 7 21:46:59 2004 From: scott at jedicouncil.nu (Scott A. Simpson) Date: Mon Jun 7 20:33:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WineX 3 and Full screen issues Message-ID: <40C51A93.8060904@jedicouncil.nu> Problem in short: I'm trying to get a game that runs in 800x600 normally to display. My LCD's native res is 1280x1024. I think my problem is that the video card is pushing higher frequencies than the Monitor wants to handle. I was wondering if i could set it lower, like force it to use 60 or 70hz or something More detail: Athlon XP 2000+, 256Mb Matrox Millenium G550 Sceptre 19" LCD Flat Panel (X9s-Naga) Transgaming WineX3 trying to run Diablo 2. the install works great, it runs well in windowed mode, but when i mouse out of the window, it disappears. its still running, just not showing, and i have to kill the process. So i try to run it full screen and it says "OVER RANGE" on my monitor. trying with old 18in lcd and it says "Out of Range, 125kHz, 120Hz". the vertical range on my monitor is 50-75 and horz is 30-80. obviously way out of range. but i know in windows you can force the card to use another freq, like 60, 70, 75, 80hz, etc. is there a directive in the XF86Config file to force the video card to use a certain freq? here is a link to my XF86Config: http://group4.homedns.org/XF86Config any help would be greatly appreciated, this is driving me up the wall! :D -- Scott A. Simpson scott@jedicouncil.nu Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Jun 7 23:23:05 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 7 22:09:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... In-Reply-To: <002801c44cf8$362855f0$0200a8c0@camerontech.com> References: <1086656891.2061.35.camel@laptop> <002801c44cf8$362855f0$0200a8c0@camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1086664986.2862.13.camel@laptop> > Please don't be an ass at the event... Think how PO'd you'd be (and > rightly) if an anti-Linux MS shill came to a SATLUG meeting and started > ragging on Linux. Being obnoxious will *not* bring people to Linux. > > -- > Regards, > Thomas Cameron Who said ANYTHING about being an ass? And when have you EVER known me to be an ass -- whether it was a Linux conference, a MS conference (yes, I've gone to them too), a Cisco conference, or ANY other??? I think you've mistaken me for someone else!!! I said I have some questions and I stand by that. I'll politely listen to their presentation and might even be able to pick up a trick or two to help my customers who still use that operating system. But if there is a question session afterward, I WILL ask my valid questions. Questions on operating system security, product support, and how they can purport to provide "enterprise level capabilities" to small businesses when they charge so much for their products. All valid questions. And I'd like to hear how they respond. But I won't badger them or make fun of them. They usually do a good job of that all by themselves when trying to answer valid questions like these. At other seminars (besides an occasional snicker or eye roll) I have NEVER once been anything but polite to ANYONE -- no matter what company they have come from. Ask anyone on this list who have attended events with me if you don't believe that. I don't blame the employees of a company for the company's direction, corporate actions, or methods. To hold the sales staff responsible for that is totally unfair to someone not in control of corporate direction. Although they may work for a company that behaves badly -- they are typically not a part of that decision process. (IF that were the case -- I would be partly responsible for a whole lot of unfair, discriminatory, and even ILLEGAL behavior by the government in whole military I served for 21 years!!! And yes, I did say ILLEGAL -- I don't know of ANYTHING in any law that allows a government agent to blow the head off a woman standing in her own kitchen holding her infant child -- and then have that government let the agent, his supervisory chain, and all those responsible go with nothing more than an ooooops!). So, NO -- I will NOT be an ass or treat these Micro$oft employees unfairly. But I will also NOT let them spread any FUDD about Linux, nor will I let them propagate their company's misinformation (at least without questioning them about it). Outside of that, I hope to learn more to help my customers with their MS software problems. Any questions??? Chuck From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Jun 7 23:30:41 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 7 22:17:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... In-Reply-To: <40C519CA.BD9FBCBD@texas.net> References: <1086656891.2061.35.camel@laptop> <002801c44cf8$362855f0$0200a8c0@camerontech.com> <40C519CA.BD9FBCBD@texas.net> Message-ID: <1086665442.2862.22.camel@laptop> The event is sponsored by PC Wholesale. Anyone who is affiliated with that company can contact Sandie about getting a seat. If you're not affiliated and would still like to attend, phone me tomorrow 380-7604 and I'll see if I can reserve another seat. (Leave a voice mail if I don't answer -- I'm got some flying time planned early in the morning). Chuck On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 20:43, Walt DuBose wrote: > I need to know about W2003 and Xp servers as I will be working with then > next year...but I do like to wear my SATLUG Shirt just to give them > something to think about. > > Walt > > Thomas Cameron wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chuck" > > To: "SATLUG" > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:08 PM > > Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... > > > > > Fellow SATLUG'gers, > > > > > > Anyone else up for some fun??? There is a MicroBlows "Windows Server > > > System" seminar tomorrow afternoon. Anyone else going to attend? I > > > hope you'll all wear your SATLUG shirts -- just like me! If anyone > > > attending doesn't have one, let me know off-list -- I'll bring an extra > > > shirt or two for those members.... > > > > > > I'm hoping to ask some questions about some of their advertised topics, > > > like: > > > Providing a secure environment for small business... > > > Delivering enterprise level capabilities on a small business budget... > > > Delivering quality support efficiently... > > > > > > I'd sure like to know what corporate change they've made to fill those > > > promises????? > > > > Please don't be an ass at the event... Think how PO'd you'd be (and > > rightly) if an anti-Linux MS shill came to a SATLUG meeting and started > > ragging on Linux. Being obnoxious will *not* bring people to Linux. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Thomas Cameron > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Jun 7 23:38:24 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 7 22:24:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Conferences & ITEC in Dallas Message-ID: <1086665909.2862.30.camel@laptop> Speaking of conferences, is anyone else on the list interested in attending that ITEC in Dallas next week? The one where John Terpstra will be doing a couple presentations? If the weather is good, I'm thinking of flying up the prior afternoon and then back after the day at ITEC. But if the weather sucks, it'll be low-level flying in my truck. Anyone interested in filling some open seats and maybe sharing the travel costs??? Chuck From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Jun 7 23:45:42 2004 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Mon Jun 7 22:32:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... In-Reply-To: <1086664986.2862.13.camel@laptop> References: <1086656891.2061.35.camel@laptop> <002801c44cf8$362855f0$0200a8c0@camerontech.com> <1086664986.2862.13.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200406072245420290.004AD802@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Here, here, right on the mark Chuck, all areas, couldn't believe TC's comment. Now if a LUGER came in with a " cream pie " then, well. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/7/04 at 10:23 PM Chuck wrote: >> Please don't be an ass at the event... Think how PO'd you'd be (and >> rightly) if an anti-Linux MS shill came to a SATLUG meeting and started >> ragging on Linux. Being obnoxious will *not* bring people to Linux. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Thomas Cameron > > >Who said ANYTHING about being an ass? And when have you EVER known me >to be an ass - - From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Jun 7 23:58:35 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Mon Jun 7 22:44:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Having some fun... References: <1086656891.2061.35.camel@laptop> <002801c44cf8$362855f0$0200a8c0@camerontech.com> <1086664986.2862.13.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <010d01c44d0c$dfea5840$0200a8c0@camerontech.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Having some fun... > > Please don't be an ass at the event... Think how PO'd you'd be (and > > rightly) if an anti-Linux MS shill came to a SATLUG meeting and started > > ragging on Linux. Being obnoxious will *not* bring people to Linux. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Thomas Cameron > > > Who said ANYTHING about being an ass? And when have you EVER known me > to be an ass -- whether it was a Linux conference, a MS conference (yes, > I've gone to them too), a Cisco conference, or ANY other??? I think > you've mistaken me for someone else!!! Whoa, Chuck - decaf, brother, decaf! I didn't say you were an ass. I don't know you from Adam. The point I was trying to make is that I *have* been at events where Linux folks were derisive and obnoxious and it only made the Linux folks look bad. Asking how they can "purport" to do anything comes across as accusatory/insulting and scores points for them, not you or Linux or F/OSS. It's that whole "we need to be better than them" thing. Chill out, I'm on your side. TC From spammer at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 8 00:04:01 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Mon Jun 7 22:50:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick Time player Message-ID: <200406072304.01822.spammer@satx.rr.com> ok guys anyone know if there is a quick time player for linux??? AVP movie tease is out and it is in quick time,, I need a fix and cant open it any ideas?? -- >From this day To the ending of the world We in it shall be remembered We lucky few We merry Band of Brothers For he who sheds his blood with me this day Shall be my brother. Henry V Nick Duffy From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Tue Jun 8 00:16:11 2004 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Mon Jun 7 23:02:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WineX 3 and Full screen issues In-Reply-To: <40C51A93.8060904@jedicouncil.nu> References: <40C51A93.8060904@jedicouncil.nu> Message-ID: <1086668171.1506.2.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> How about: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Sceptre X9S-Naga" VendorName "Sceptre" ModelName "X9S-Naga" HorizSync 30 - 80 VertRefresh 60 - 75 EndSection Tim On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 20:46, Scott A. Simpson wrote: > Problem in short: I'm trying to get a game that runs in 800x600 normally > to display. My LCD's native res is 1280x1024. I think my problem is > that the video card is pushing higher frequencies than the Monitor wants > to handle. I was wondering if i could set it lower, like force it to > use 60 or 70hz or something > > More detail: > Athlon XP 2000+, 256Mb > Matrox Millenium G550 > Sceptre 19" LCD Flat Panel (X9s-Naga) > > Transgaming WineX3 trying to run Diablo 2. the install works great, it > runs well in windowed mode, but when i mouse out of the window, it > disappears. its still running, just not showing, and i have to kill the > process. So i try to run it full screen and it says "OVER RANGE" on my > monitor. trying with old 18in lcd and it says "Out of Range, 125kHz, > 120Hz". the vertical range on my monitor is 50-75 and horz is 30-80. > obviously way out of range. but i know in windows you can force the > card to use another freq, like 60, 70, 75, 80hz, etc. is there a > directive in the XF86Config file to force the video card to use a > certain freq? > > here is a link to my XF86Config: http://group4.homedns.org/XF86Config > > any help would be greatly appreciated, this is driving me up the wall! :D -- Timothy Beck From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Jun 8 00:33:17 2004 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Mon Jun 7 23:19:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OT Reverse Cell Phone Message-ID: <200406072333170430.00766A99@mail.worldlinkisp.com> The law enforcement (and color or law) types have access to this information. Myself, I'd befriend one and discretely discuss my needs over his favorite libation. Whatever works, works. From scott at jedicouncil.nu Tue Jun 8 00:56:33 2004 From: scott at jedicouncil.nu (Scott A. Simpson) Date: Mon Jun 7 23:43:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WineX 3 and Full screen issues In-Reply-To: <1086668171.1506.2.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> References: <40C51A93.8060904@jedicouncil.nu> <1086668171.1506.2.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> Message-ID: <40C54701.8050103@jedicouncil.nu> Timothy Beck wrote: > How about: > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Sceptre X9S-Naga" > VendorName "Sceptre" > ModelName "X9S-Naga" > HorizSync 30 - 80 > VertRefresh 60 - 75 > EndSection > > > Tim > > see what i thought is that was what told X what the monitor's capabilities were. no neccessarily forcing the vid card to use that freq. am i wrong? -- Scott A. Simpson scott@jedicouncil.nu Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Jun 8 07:05:18 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Tue Jun 8 05:50:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Backing up a Drive with Knoppix 3.4 References: <200406051856.i55Iurt2000979@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> <016a01c44b36$83add020$0200a8c0@jeff> <1086488304.1327.1.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <003f01c44d48$7c18f150$0200a8c0@jeff> > Geoff, > > You're thinking too much like a Linux person. Joe mentioned that the > drive was FAT32 which means it was either Win98 or WinME. Either way, > it would use the first partition, be FAT32, and have no swap. > > Gotta get back into that MicroBlows thinking buddy... are you kidding me? it took me too long to get OUT of that mode of thinking ;-) From skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu Tue Jun 8 09:25:15 2004 From: skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu (Steve Kolars) Date: Tue Jun 8 08:11:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WiFi In-Reply-To: <20040607215526.21272.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040607215526.21272.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40C5BE3B.8090102@venus.sac.accd.edu> Mary Yatti wrote: >I just got back from Toledo and Cleveland, OH and saw >that they have free WiFi community projects going on. >It seems they are sharing or allowing others to use >their access points to get on the Internet. > >A while back I read that here in San Antonio, Tx that >the ACCD and others were putting up a wireless park >downtown whereby people could use the services for >free. What ever happened to that project? I haven't >heard anything about it lately. It was on the ACCD >website and in the SA BUsiness Journal. > >I know that Starbucks on Guilbeau and Bandera has >access points..but you have to have a wireless >service..like Boing (spelling???). > >I was in Austin, Texas a few months ago and heard >about an individual that was working on a project >called alternate source WiFi for the community (open >source LInux). > >My laptop doesn't have any confidential information >and I'm not a doctor.. Although I've heard that >several doctor's offices are using wireless without >any 128-bit encryption. > >I just like to keep uptodate w/the news, my stocks, >and email. > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > ACCD has free wifi access in the market downtown. I used it last summer while eating at a resturant in the market. Steve From aedinius at hotmail.com Tue Jun 8 09:26:26 2004 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Tue Jun 8 08:12:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SOLARIS GOES OPEN-SOURCE Message-ID: Well, SunOS is the actual UNIX OS. Solaris could be open sourced (meaning just the environment running on top of the UNIX) and it could be perfectly legal as it doesn't touch the part SCO has a say with. >From: Eli >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] SOLARIS GOES OPEN-SOURCE >Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:35:21 -0500 > >dubose@texas.net wrote: >>SOLARIS GOES OPEN-SOURCE >> >>Sun Microsystems Inc. confirms long-rumored plans to make its proprietary >>Solaris operating system open-source. > >How do they do that? I thought Solaris was technology built by Sun, with a >UNIX license from SCO. > >(licensed from SCO as all the other proprietary unixes are, e.g. AIX, HPUX, >IRIX etc) > >/me puts tinfoil had on > >sounds like a plan backed by a 2 billion microsoft settlement...i.e. "do >anything to pull attention away from gnu/gpl/linux, just help break up the >momentum" > >(paranoia mode off) > >;-) > >e >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married From aedinius at hotmail.com Tue Jun 8 09:29:40 2004 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Tue Jun 8 08:16:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick Time player Message-ID: mplayer! I've had good luck with later versions of MPLayer using the Win32 codecs for QuickTime (it's a separate package you can download from mplayerhq.hu). Albeit not perfect, it does play them quite well (the only issue I noticed was it being offcenter on the screen, but that doesn't affect playing at all). >From: Nick Duffy >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: satlug >Subject: [SATLUG] Quick Time player >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:04:01 -0500 > >ok guys anyone know if there is a quick time player for linux??? AVP movie >tease is out and it is in quick time,, I need a fix and cant open it >any ideas?? >-- > >From this day >To the ending of >the world >We in it shall be remembered >We lucky few >We merry Band of Brothers >For he who sheds his blood with me >this day >Shall be my brother. > Henry V > >Nick Duffy > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From swinston at global-gaming.com Tue Jun 8 10:55:07 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Tue Jun 8 09:43:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WineX 3 and Full screen issues In-Reply-To: <200406081312.i58DCFI15866@alamo.satlug.org> (from satlug-request@satlug.org on Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:12:15 -0500) References: <200406081312.i58DCFI15866@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040608145507.GA16018@localhost.localdomain> Short answer wont work. Explanation: The card will work at certain frequences, it doesn't really matter how many frames a second your graphics card pushes, you'll only ever see the frame rate be 60-70 hrz. You can change the frame rate the card is pushing in the application, it happens in the same call as you used to size the screen (i.e. 1024x768 etc.). However, this doesn't effect much as you'll never see it work if the driver isn't set to use that resolution at that specific hrz. (If you don't specify a hrz, it gets it off the driver settings). Anyway, whole point is, changing the hrz rate solves nothing of any problems you're likely having. More likely it's the case that it's grabing the X screen and the mouse, keyboard in the wrong way. Since you're talking about WineX, you might talk to transgamings' support people. From tgrshrk22 at netscape.net Tue Jun 8 11:06:07 2004 From: tgrshrk22 at netscape.net (tgrshrk22) Date: Tue Jun 8 09:52:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Offers Free Server Software Licenses In-Reply-To: <20040607211104.37897.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040607211104.37897.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40C5D5DF.1020400@netscape.net> Older news but along the same lines.... http://www.linuxmednews.com/linuxmednews/1084898480 Illustrates this point very well. -Patrick (tgrshrk22@netscape.net) yatinhat@yahoo.com wrote: >Microsoft Offers Free Server Software Licenses > >By Robin Arnfield >Enterprise Windows I.T. >June 7, 2004 1:58PM > >Microsoft is looking to retain its Software Assurance >customers by offering free Windows Server software >licenses on a temporary basis for servers used for >disaster recovery and patch testing. The move is >viewed as an attempt to counter the lure of free >open-source software. > >Faster Web surfing. 24/7 Live Customer Support. >Parental Controls. Smarter Spam Filters. Need another >reason to check out AOL? Get AOL 2 MONTHS FREE. See >offer details. > >Microsoft announced it will give away free Windows >Server software licenses to business users. The free >licenses are available as of this month for "cold" >servers -- that is, machines that are switched on only >for disaster-recovery purposes or for activating and >testing software patches. The offering is intended as >a sweetener for companies bulk-buying Microsoft >licenses. > >"We believe that this new benefit will make it easier >for customers to have another server ready to come >online in the event of a disaster," said Cori Hartje, >Microsoft's director of marketing for world wide >licensing. > >Software Assurance Boost > >Microsoft's offer of free server software will be >useful particularly for small- and mid-size business >customers, as they often cannot afford a full disaster >recovery back-up system. > >The giveaway is part of Microsoft's Software Assurance >licensing program, which was introduced in 2001. It is >designed to spread the cost of running Microsoft >software over a period of time. Software Assurance >works on the basis that customers pay a charge of >approximately 29 percent of their annual licensing fee >for desktop software and 25 percent for server >applications, in exchange for free upgrades to the >latest version of Microsoft software. > >The "cold" server provision will be applicable for the >remaining term of any two- or three-year Software >Assurance contract and is not perpetual. > >Response to Linux > >The timing of the announcement suggests that with >Linux winning an ever-greater share of the server >market, Microsoft is trying to keep customers away >from the temptations ofopen source by adopting a >strategy similar to that of its rival -- giving away >its software. Linux is popular among businesses >seeking cheaper ways to set up corporate server >networks. > >With many of its customers' Software Assurance >contracts coming up for renewal this year, Microsoft >has made an effort to improve the benefits of >participating in the Software Assurance program. Last >year, Microsoft offered several sweeteners to Software >Assurance in the fields of training, support and >home-use rights. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From hstreit at swri.edu Tue Jun 8 13:30:38 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Tue Jun 8 12:16:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder for June Meeting... In-Reply-To: <1086655115.1104.29.camel@laptop> References: <1086655115.1104.29.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <40C5F7BE.7050501@swri.edu> Chuck, Here at work, we just received a new Sun Fire v880z (w/ XVR-4000 video). Long story short, we also have 14 ESD kits from Sun Microsystems (the temporary-use kind, all plastic). I was wondering if these would make good door-prizes...just a thought. Chuck wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Don't forget the June SATLUG meeting this week! Thursday, 10 Jun at the > usual place -- SAC Nail Technical Center room 025 (basement meeting > room). See the map for directions http://www.satlug.org/sac-map.html > and look for number 4 for the location. > > Tom Bridgehouse from Sun Microsystems will bring over some of his Sun > toys and talk about how Sun is using Linux for their products. And if I > know Tom, he'll probably bring copies of the new version of Sun's > StarOffice - version 7. > > And I'm still looking for members willing to share some of their > "Tips'n'Tricks". Experienced members know what I'm talking about -- > those little tips you've discovered or developed over the years that > make working with Linux easier. If anyone is willing to show and talk > about their pet script, alias, or shortcut -- we'll have a laptop or two > that can be used to show it and how it works. Take two minutes or 15 > minutes -- what ever you feel comfortable with. > > Anyone willing to share their experience should contact me off-list. > I'll make sure there are resources for the demonstration and that we can > fit in all interested. > > See you all Thursday. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From mayonakaha at vashir.com Tue Jun 8 12:53:31 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (MayonakaHa) Date: Tue Jun 8 12:40:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick Time player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086717220.3AC75195@r31.dngr.org> Mplayer most definitely. I've got a knopmyth box setup now on my tv and it uses mplayer. It works like a charm. Mike D On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 7:40am, Andrew Benson wrote: > mplayer! I've had good luck with later versions of MPLayer using the > Win32 codecs for QuickTime (it's a separate package you can download > from mplayerhq.hu). Albeit not perfect, it does play them quite well > (the only issue I noticed was it being offcenter on the screen, but > that doesn't affect playing at all). > > >> From: Nick Duffy >> Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> >> To: satlug >> Subject: [SATLUG] Quick Time player >> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:04:01 -0500 >> >> ok guys anyone know if there is a quick time player for linux??? AVP >> movie >> tease is out and it is in quick time,, I need a fix and cant open it >> any ideas?? >> -- >>> From this day >> To the ending of >> the world >> We in it shall be remembered >> We lucky few >> We merry Band of Brothers >> For he who sheds his blood with me >> this day >> Shall be my brother. >> Henry V >> >> Nick Duffy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Satlug mailing list >> Satlug@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra > Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug This message sent via Danger Hiptop (www.danger.com) From slacker at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 8 18:56:23 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Tue Jun 8 17:39:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WineX 3 and Full screen issues In-Reply-To: <20040608145507.GA16018@localhost.localdomain> References: <200406081312.i58DCFI15866@alamo.satlug.org> <20040608145507.GA16018@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040608175623.2035ed4e@malaga.home> Not sure if this is part of the problem, but in Wine and WineX, there is a setting in the config file under [x11drv] that looks like this: ; Enable DirectX mouse grab "DXGrab" = "N" This could possibly be causing the problem you are having. Changing the setting allows the mouse to be utilized outside of the window Wine or WineX has created, in addition to being used inside it. Not sure which does which(Y or N). I think Steven is on the right track when he said to try Transgaming's support area. They actually have a pretty good support area on their web site. On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:55:07 -0500 Steven Winston wrote: > Short answer wont work. > Explanation: > The card will work at certain frequences, it doesn't really matter how > > many frames a second your graphics card pushes, you'll only ever see > the frame rate be 60-70 hrz. You can change the frame rate the card > is pushing in the application, it happens in the same call as you > used to size the screen (i.e. 1024x768 etc.). However, this doesn't > effect much as you'll never see it work if the driver isn't set to > use that resolution at that specific hrz. (If you don't specify a > hrz, it gets it off the driver settings). > Anyway, whole point is, changing the hrz rate solves nothing of any > problems you're likely having. More likely it's the case that it's > grabing the X screen and the mouse, keyboard in the wrong way. Since > you're talking about WineX, you might talk to transgamings' support > people. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From ruben50 at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 8 19:29:24 2004 From: ruben50 at satx.rr.com (Ruben G. Villanueva) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:15:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] new Java Message-ID: <1086737364.3079.2.camel@V1774NU3V4> Has anyone dowloaded and used J2SE v 1.5.0 Beta 2? Does anyone have any good reviews on it so far? I wanted to try it out but the site seems to be down. Ruben From pandemic at syn-recon.net Wed Jun 9 09:06:18 2004 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (Florian Hines) Date: Wed Jun 9 08:53:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] new Java In-Reply-To: <1086737364.3079.2.camel@V1774NU3V4> References: <1086737364.3079.2.camel@V1774NU3V4> Message-ID: <38518.64.39.1.10.1086786378.squirrel@www.syn-recon.net> > Has anyone dowloaded and used J2SE v 1.5.0 Beta 2? Does anyone have any > good reviews on it so far? I wanted to try it out but the site seems to > be down. > > Ruben > > I've been running it since it came out, SWING is much snappier (well still depends on the coding). Florian From dubose at texas.net Wed Jun 9 11:54:44 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Wed Jun 9 10:41:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor Message-ID: <20040609155444.4CC9F3D3094C@mail2.aus1.texas.net> What's wrong with this article? http://www.gcn.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable? client.id=gcndaily2&story.id=26154 DISA picks Linux vendor 06/09/04 By Dawn S. Onley, GCN Staff The Defense Information Systems Agency has hired DLT Solutions Inc., of Herndon, Va., to provide Red Hat Linux open-source software to the Defense Department in support of its Enterprise Software Initiative. Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement, DLT will offer Red Hat Enterprise Linux AE, ES and WS software. The company also will provide maintenance support, training and consulting services. "This agreement will have a positive impact on open source within the DOD by providing additional choices and flexibility as we continue to improve operations for the warfighter," said Dawn Lawson, software product manager for DISA. The BPA is open to all military services, their direct-support contractors, the Coast Guard and intelligence agencies. The goal of the Enterprise Software Initiative is to acquire and manage commercial software on an enterprise level. From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Wed Jun 9 12:02:22 2004 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Wed Jun 9 10:48:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor In-Reply-To: <20040609155444.4CC9F3D3094C@mail2.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040609155444.4CC9F3D3094C@mail2.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <1086796941.6138.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> hahahahahaha.. to obvious..;-) On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 10:54, dubose@texas.net wrote: > What's wrong with this article? > > http://www.gcn.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable? > client.id=gcndaily2&story.id=26154 > > DISA picks Linux vendor > > 06/09/04 > By Dawn S. Onley, > GCN Staff > The Defense Information Systems Agency has hired DLT Solutions Inc., of > Herndon, Va., to provide Red Hat Linux open-source software to the Defense > Department in support of its Enterprise Software Initiative. > > Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement, DLT will offer Red > Hat Enterprise Linux AE, ES and WS software. The company also will provide > maintenance support, training and consulting services. > > "This agreement will have a positive impact on open source within the DOD by > providing additional choices and flexibility as we continue to improve > operations for the warfighter," said Dawn Lawson, software product manager for > DISA. > > The BPA is open to all military services, their direct-support contractors, the > Coast Guard and intelligence agencies. > > The goal of the Enterprise Software Initiative is to acquire and manage > commercial software on an enterprise level. > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Timothy Beck From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 9 12:12:31 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 9 10:59:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor In-Reply-To: <20040609155444.4CC9F3D3094C@mail2.aus1.texas.net> References: <20040609155444.4CC9F3D3094C@mail2.aus1.texas.net> Message-ID: <1086797551.2526.38.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 10:54, dubose@texas.net wrote: > What's wrong with this article? > > http://www.gcn.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable? > client.id=gcndaily2&story.id=26154 I don't see anything wrong with it. If the company can provide equal or better support than what redhat is offering then they deserve the contract. Redhat software is released under the GPL so if you want to build a business around selling their software you are more than welcome to do that. There's even a guy running his own up2date repository and distributing his package as "White Hat Linux" or something like that. From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 9 12:19:50 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Wed Jun 9 11:04:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor References: <20040609155444.4CC9F3D3094C@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <1086797551.2526.38.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <023a01c44e3d$96f337b0$0200a8c0@jeff> > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 10:54, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > What's wrong with this article? > > > > http://www.gcn.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable? > > client.id=gcndaily2&story.id=26154 > > > I don't see anything wrong with it. If the company can provide equal or > better support than what redhat is offering then they deserve the > contract. Redhat software is released under the GPL so if you want to > build a business around selling their software you are more than welcome > to do that. There's even a guy running his own up2date repository and > distributing his package as "White Hat Linux" or something like that. Try this line, then... "Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement..." and it conflicts (as I understand it) with the GPL. --- There'll Always Be HonkyTonks in Texas "What a Strange and Wonderful trip" Regards, -Geoff From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Jun 9 12:31:28 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 9 11:17:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor In-Reply-To: <023a01c44e3d$96f337b0$0200a8c0@jeff> References: <20040609155444.4CC9F3D3094C@mail2.aus1.texas.net> <1086797551.2526.38.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <023a01c44e3d$96f337b0$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: <1086798689.3302.13.camel@laptop> > Try this line, then... > > "Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement..." > and it conflicts (as I understand it) with the GPL. > > Regards, > -Geoff Not necessarily. RedHat packages the software with a manual, CDs, and support and sells it. The GPL allows for that. What's to say that someone else (like Best Buy) can't take that software and services and resell them??? I think its perfectly OK. (And I do suspect that this company won't be doing a lot of the DOD support themselves -- they'll just pass that along to RedHat who packages support with the product!). Chuck From jr7958 at sbc.com Wed Jun 9 12:58:42 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Wed Jun 9 11:45:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor Message-ID: <02DC5321B547994EBCCEFCEE7814AB62BE397D@mostls1msgusr01.itservices.sbc.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On >Behalf Of Chuck >Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:31 AM >To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor > > >> Try this line, then... >> >> "Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement..." >> and it conflicts (as I understand it) with the GPL. >> >> Regards, >> -Geoff > >Not necessarily. RedHat packages the software with a manual, CDs, and >support and sells it. The GPL allows for that. What's to say that >someone else (like Best Buy) can't take that software and services and >resell them??? I think its perfectly OK. > >(And I do suspect that this company won't be doing a lot of the DOD >support themselves -- they'll just pass that along to RedHat who >packages support with the product!). > > >Chuck > I believe that the 29 million is for training and support and not for the product itself since that seems to be against the GPL. The person who wrote that article might not have understood what they were writing. JR From bamm at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 9 13:11:27 2004 From: bamm at satx.rr.com (Bamm Visscher) Date: Wed Jun 9 11:58:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor In-Reply-To: <02DC5321B547994EBCCEFCEE7814AB62BE397D@mostls1msgusr01.itservices.sbc.com> References: <02DC5321B547994EBCCEFCEE7814AB62BE397D@mostls1msgusr01.itservices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <20040609171127.GL1118@syn.bamm.net> Often a huge misconseption [0] about GPL'd software is that you CANNOT sell it. This is completely false. I can take any GPL'd software, stick it on a cd and sell it at whatever price I want. Before everyone had broadband, it was common for different places to sell distro CDs. Heck, I have some old Debian CD's sitting around here somewhere that I purchased years ago. Bammkkkk [0] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:58:42AM -0500, REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI) wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > > I believe that the 29 million is for training and support and not for > the product itself since that seems to be against the GPL. The person > who wrote that article might not have understood what they were writing. > > JR From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Wed Jun 9 13:22:52 2004 From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Wed Jun 9 12:11:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805DEE25D@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> The GNU (GNU GPL) has no requirements, AFAIK, about how much you can charge for distributing a copy of free software. You can anything you want. It's up to you, and the market of buyers to determine the price. The one exception to this is in the case where binaries are distributed without the corresponding source code. In this case, the GNU GPL requires source code be provided on request...and there are limits on charges for source code to keep someone from setting arbitrarily high prices for this. -----Original Message----- From: Bamm Visscher [mailto:bamm@satx.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:11 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor Often a huge misconseption [0] about GPL'd software is that you CANNOT sell it. This is completely false. I can take any GPL'd software, stick it on a cd and sell it at whatever price I want. Before everyone had broadband, it was common for different places to sell distro CDs. Heck, I have some old Debian CD's sitting around here somewhere that I purchased years ago. Bammkkkk [0] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:58:42AM -0500, REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI) wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > > I believe that the 29 million is for training and support and not for > the product itself since that seems to be against the GPL. The person > who wrote that article might not have understood what they were > writing. > > JR _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 13:25:08 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Wed Jun 9 14:11:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Push on to Make VOIP free and/or Open Source Message-ID: <20040609192508.21429.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> I am getting ready to try Skype--Free Internet Telephony (free!!!) which only runs on Windows machines. Has anyone tried this? It sounds cool. http://www.skype.com/home.html Skype is free and simple software that will enable you to make free calls anywhere in the world in minutes. Skype, created by the people who brought you KaZaA, uses innovative P2P (peer-to-peer) technology to connect you with other Skype users. If you are tired of paying outrageous fees for telephony, Skype is for you! Skype is quick and easy to install. Just download it, register, and within minutes you can plug in your PC headset and call your friends on Skype. Skype calls have excellent sound quality and are highly secure with end-to-end encryption. Best of all, Skype does not require you to reconfigure your firewall or router—it just works! ----------------------------------------- I am also looking into the push to make VOIP open source: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1560625,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594 SIPfoundry initiative pulls together several projects. Several IP telephony veterans are banding together to organize the first major open-source community concentrating on VOIP technology. Pingtel Corp., of Woburn, Mass., is spearheading the initiative, dubbed SIPfoundry, by releasing its SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) software platform into the open-source world as well as by forming a nonprofit organization to give legal and technical assistance to open-source developers working with voice over IP. Pingtel's mission, officials said, is to do for IP telephony what Apache and Linux have done for enterprise servers. The open-source VOIP effort will pull together several projects, including Vovida, an open-source SIP effort used by Vonage, and Resiprocate, which provides a SIP stack and tool kit that allow developers to build applications that use SIP to initiate a session and establish communication. Pingtel formed SIPfoundry to shepherd efforts to create open-source IP telephony, messaging, presence and collaboration software. An initial proposed board of directors for SIPfoundry comprises people who have worked on open-source IP telephony projects, including Robert Sparks, Cullen Jennings and Jason Fischl from the Resiprocate and Vovida projects; Bob Andreasen and Dan Petrie of Pingtel; and Martin Steinmann of St. Paul Venture Capital. "SIPfoundry's objective is to represent the SIP community and offer the premier repository for information for the development of VOIP," said Steinmann, in Woburn. "It is a nonprofit company we incorporated as a completely independent entity to be the overall umbrella organization to care for SIP-based activities in the open-source community. Its governance structure is open to others to join. ... By bringing together existing, functioning communities that have proven they can deliver on key components of the infrastructure, [SIPfoundry] has the critical mass." SIPfoundry will also work to ensure interoperability of implementations "across a broader set of industry players," Steinmann said. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From ChrisRivera at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 9 17:21:17 2004 From: ChrisRivera at satx.rr.com (CRivera) Date: Wed Jun 9 16:07:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor In-Reply-To: <023a01c44e3d$96f337b0$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: <200406092121.i59LLKlK002766@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Geoff/W5OMR Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:20 AM To: sean@medicalresourceusa.com; The San Antonio Linux User's GroupMailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 10:54, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > What's wrong with this article? > > > > http://www.gcn.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable? > > client.id=gcndaily2&story.id=26154 > > > I don't see anything wrong with it. If the company can provide equal or > better support than what redhat is offering then they deserve the > contract. Redhat software is released under the GPL so if you want to > build a business around selling their software you are more than welcome > to do that. There's even a guy running his own up2date repository and > distributing his package as "White Hat Linux" or something like that. Try this line, then... "Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement..." and it conflicts (as I understand it) with the GPL. --- There'll Always Be HonkyTonks in Texas "What a Strange and Wonderful trip" Regards, -Geoff _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug either way, it's great that there's a little more *nix in then govt. Especially in the DISA arena. CRivera From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 9 17:28:03 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Wed Jun 9 16:12:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor References: <20040609155444.4CC9F3D3094C@mail2.aus1.texas.net><1086797551.2526.38.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <023a01c44e3d$96f337b0$0200a8c0@jeff> <1086798689.3302.13.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <029f01c44e68$a57f5f90$0200a8c0@jeff> > > Try this line, then... > > > > "Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement..." > > and it conflicts (as I understand it) with the GPL. > > Not necessarily. RedHat packages the software with a manual, CDs, and > support and sells it. The GPL allows for that. What's to say that > someone else (like Best Buy) can't take that software and services and > resell them??? I think its perfectly OK. > (And I do suspect that this company won't be doing a lot of the DOD > support themselves -- they'll just pass that along to RedHat who > packages support with the product!). Who buys a product nowadays without support from the product vendor? You're thinking too much like an M$ user, Chuck ;-) From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 9 17:31:40 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Wed Jun 9 16:16:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor References: <200406092121.i59LLKlK002766@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <02ad01c44e69$26bcb350$0200a8c0@jeff> > > either way, it's great that there's a little more *nix in then govt. > Especially in the DISA arena. > CRivera THERE'S the bright side ;-) From bryan.scott at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 18:08:19 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Wed Jun 9 16:54:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Hotspots Message-ID: Not sure if anyone posted anything on this. If so sorry for the duplication. TXDOT is trying to setup WIFI at all the Texas Rest Areas. WooHoo! http://www.dot.state.tx.us/txdotnews/026-2004.htm -Bryan From bram at aversion.net Wed Jun 9 17:25:37 2004 From: bram at aversion.net (Bram Shirani) Date: Wed Jun 9 18:12:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor In-Reply-To: <029f01c44e68$a57f5f90$0200a8c0@jeff> References: <023a01c44e3d$96f337b0$0200a8c0@jeff> <1086798689.3302.13.camel@laptop> <029f01c44e68$a57f5f90$0200a8c0@jeff> Message-ID: <20040609232537.GQ10761@aversion.net> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:28:03PM -0500, Geoff/W5OMR said sometin like... > > > > > Try this line, then... > > > > > > "Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement..." > > > and it conflicts (as I understand it) with the GPL. > > > > Not necessarily. RedHat packages the software with a manual, CDs, and > > support and sells it. The GPL allows for that. What's to say that > > someone else (like Best Buy) can't take that software and services and > > resell them??? I think its perfectly OK. > > > (And I do suspect that this company won't be doing a lot of the DOD > > support themselves -- they'll just pass that along to RedHat who > > packages support with the product!). > > Who buys a product nowadays without support from the product vendor? > You're thinking too much like an M$ user, Chuck I think it's more likely that you're not thinking enough like the government :). Bram From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jun 9 20:16:14 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jun 9 19:02:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Inspiron 8500 with Centrino Message-ID: <32935.66.69.86.170.1086826574.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Hey guys, just thought I'd spread this knowledge. I've been trying my darndest over the past 2 days trying to get Centrino working on my bosses laptop. Linuxant and ipw2100 will not work or will not compile. I've tried EVERYTHING. Anyway, finally I found success with the ndiswrapper program: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net I just thought I'd save someone a few days of banging their head on their desktop ;) -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From me at jchampion.com Wed Jun 9 23:08:20 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Jun 9 21:54:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] xandros open edition Message-ID: <004201c44e98$324ba3f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> kewl...but alas...it too doesn't seem to have built in nforce chipset drivers. doggone it... http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopoc/dsk_oc_intro.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.693 / Virus Database: 454 - Release Date: 5/31/2004 From snafu at urdirect.net Thu Jun 10 00:39:03 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Wed Jun 9 23:25:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] new linux box Message-ID: <40C7E5E7.6030905@urdirect.net> Hi - I'm new to this list. Have been using linux off & on for over a year - the more I use it the more I like it... I have used mandrake 8.1 & 9.0, and more recently RH9 and Fedora Core 1. I am assembling a new machine to put linux exclusively on. My current main box is a win2k box, which I would like to replace with a linux box with one of the new distros on it. Anyway, what I bought was an Antec aluminum case (350 w), FX5200 video, and I already have a spare W-D 200Gb H-D. Tomorrow I am picking up the mobo, RAM and proc (MSI value board (KT400A) 512Mb DDR 400, and an AMD xp2800+ barton). I am looking forward to having a good time with this new machine - can't wait to dump winblows. My questions are: Can you use a TV card in a linux box and watch TV on your computer? Can you watch DVDs and rip & burn DVDs like in winblows? I'm sure the answer to both is Yes, but there is quite a bit of talk in various forums about people having problems doing these things. On my win2k machine, I have an ATI A-I-W video card with TV - and since my wife hates basketball, I generrally have to watch Spurs games on my computer... Regarding the DVD burning, I use DVD Shrink on my win2k box to back up my most valuable DVDs (with a Sony DRU-510A burner). Are there any hardware recommendations for the above - I gather that people avoid ATI all-in-wonder cards under linux - seems people prefer a separate TV card, such a Hauppauge. For a DVD burner, will any brand work the same under linux? I'd like to get maybe a Lite-On DVD burner - they are a little cheaper than some others. Thanks for any advice! Donn From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Jun 10 09:21:41 2004 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Jun 10 08:08:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] [IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com: IEEE CTS COM/SP - 6/17/2004 - ???Soft Switch Technology??? - SIEMENS] Message-ID: <20040610132141.GA4717@mail.fortuitous.com> Forwarded Announcement for IEEE COMSP meeting: -p ----- Forwarded message from IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com ----- Subject: IEEE CTS COM/SP - 6/17/2004 - ???Soft Switch Technology??? - SIEMENS From: IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:17 EDT To: IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com The Central Texas Chapter of the IEEE Communications/Signal Processing Society invites you to attend our June meeting and hear a technical presentation by Siemens on Soft Switch Technology. DATE June 17, 2004 6:30 PM - 9:00 PM LOCATION SBC Laboratories, Inc. (SBC Labs) 9505 Arboretum Blvd, Austin, TX Presentation : "Soft Switch Technology" given by Tuncay Gunlik, SIEMENS Outline: -VoIP and Softswitch model basics -Benefits, Challenges -IP Centrex and and Voice over Cable deployments -Next Gen Applications on softswitch platforms -Web and Voice convergence Speaker: Tuncay Gunluk is responsible for Next Gen Application Strategy of SIEMENS hiQ 8000 softswitch. Prior to joining Siemens, Tuncay was Director of Product marketing in Lucent, responsible for developing product strategy, marketing and positioning for Lucent Softswitch, having joined the company in 1998 by Ascend acquisition. Tuncay entered the field doing design and development in 1983 and held positions in systems engineering, sales support, business development and marketing for both Nortel and Siemens. In 1994, Tuncay co-founded a wireless products start-up company, having full responsibility for product architecture, development, sales and marketing. Through all these positions, Tuncay has focused on the areas of VoIP, switching, data communication, signaling, IN and wireless networks. He earned a BSEE from Bogazici University in Istanbul, holds a US patent. ========================================= RSVP The presentation is open to chapter members and non-members. Free food and beverages will be served to attendees. If you plan to attend, please send e-mail to Howard Headrick at hfrjr@swbell.net for planning purposes. UPCOMING MEETINGS If you would like to give a presentation on a communications or signal processing topic, please contact Howard Headrick. MONTHLY MEETING NOTICE The Chapter meets on the 3rd Thursday of each month at 6:30 PM at SBC Laboratories, Inc. (SBC Labs) located at 9505 Arboretum Blvd in Austin, Texas. Please feel free to post meeting notices and invite guests. SOCIETY MEMBERSHIP We encourage you to join the Communications and Signal Processing Societies at http://www.ieee.org/membership/join/. 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Carinhas | pac(at)fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc. | http://fortuitous.com | | Linux Consulting & Training | Tel : 1-512-218-9561 | `--------------------------------------------------------' From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jun 10 09:31:33 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (afcasta@texas.net) Date: Thu Jun 10 08:17:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor Message-ID: <20040610133133.058D67C5C7CC@mail2.aus1.texas.net> Bramm Sirani and others wrote: > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:28:03PM -0500, Geoff/W5OMR said sometin like... [from Chuck] > > > > Try this line, then... > > > > > > > > "Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement..." > > > > and it conflicts (as I understand it) with the GPL. [...] > > Who buys a product nowadays without support from the product vendor? > > You're thinking too much like an M$ user, Chuck > I think it's more likely that you're not thinking enough like the government > :). > Bram Looks like the brainwashing didn't take hold... doubleplusungood. Good thing you retired before it was discovered. Al Castanoli | home afcasta@texas.net | work alder.castanoli@brooks.af.mil Give a man a fish and you've got a loyal customer forever. Teach a man to fish and he'll walk away with half your market. (updated for the computer industry) From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jun 10 09:34:46 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (afcasta@texas.net) Date: Thu Jun 10 08:21:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DISA picks Linux vendor Message-ID: <20040610133446.2CA0119908D3@mail1.aus1.texas.net> Sorry... that was Bram Shirani... > Bramm Sirani and others wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:28:03PM -0500, Geoff/W5OMR said sometin like... > [from Chuck] > > > > > Try this line, then... > > > > > "Under the five-year, $29 million blanket purchase agreement..." > > > > > and it conflicts (as I understand it) with the GPL. > [...] > > > Who buys a product nowadays without support from the product vendor? > > > You're thinking too much like an M$ user, Chuck > > I think it's more likely that you're not thinking enough like the government > > :). > > Bram > Looks like the brainwashing didn't take hold... doubleplusungood. > Good thing you retired before it was discovered. > Al Castanoli | home afcasta@texas.net | work alder.castanoli@brooks.af.mil > Give a man a fish and you've got a loyal customer forever. Teach a man to fish > and he'll walk away with half your market. (updated for the computer industry) From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Jun 10 09:53:23 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jun 10 08:39:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] new linux box In-Reply-To: <40C7E5E7.6030905@urdirect.net> References: <40C7E5E7.6030905@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <54148.129.111.175.204.1086875603.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Donn D. said: > Hi - > > I'm new to this list. Have been using linux off & on for over a year - > the more I use it the more I like it... > I have used mandrake 8.1 & 9.0, and more recently RH9 and Fedora Core > 1. I am assembling a new machine to put linux exclusively on. My > current main box is a win2k box, which I would like to replace with a > linux box with one of the new distros on it. > Anyway, what I bought was an Antec aluminum case (350 w), FX5200 video, > and I already have a spare W-D 200Gb H-D. Tomorrow I am picking up the > mobo, RAM and proc (MSI value board (KT400A) 512Mb DDR 400, and an AMD > xp2800+ barton). I am looking forward to having a good time with this > new machine - can't wait to dump winblows. My questions are: > Can you use a TV card in a linux box and watch TV on your computer? > Can you watch DVDs and rip & burn DVDs like in winblows? The answer is yes to both questions. For TV playback, I recommand a Hauppage WinTV (about $50 at Compusa). DVD playback you can do with MPlayer or Xine. I think Xine supports menus now too. Rip and burn DVDs may not be as easy as in Windows, but it is certainly doable. > I'm sure the answer to both is Yes, but there is quite a bit of talk in > various forums about people having problems doing these things. On my > win2k machine, I have an ATI A-I-W video card with TV - and since my > wife hates basketball, I generrally have to watch Spurs games on my > computer... Regarding the DVD burning, I use DVD Shrink on my win2k box > to back up my most valuable DVDs (with a Sony DRU-510A burner). ATI AIW's are good cards, but not all of the functions work in Linux. TV-out is *said* to work but I've never gotten it to. TV and Xv on the other hand I have gotten to work with the GATOS drivers. > Are there any hardware recommendations for the above - I gather that > people avoid ATI all-in-wonder cards under linux - seems people prefer a > separate TV card, such a Hauppauge. For a DVD burner, will any brand > work the same under linux? I'd like to get maybe a Lite-On DVD burner - > they are a little cheaper than some others. Any IDE/SCSI/Firewire/USB DVD burner will work in Linux. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Thu Jun 10 09:57:53 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jun 10 08:44:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Accounting Software Message-ID: <1086875873.21848.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> We have just about outgrown quickbooks as a useful accounting software. I'm in need of an accounting, inventory, customer management package that can be customized to work for our company. Here are some of the features we need: * Runs on Linux (if this wasn't obvious) * Must contain all basic accounting features such as invoicing, purchase orders, printing checks, PNL reports, etc. All the basic stuff you get with a package like Quickbooks or Peachtree. * Needs to be network capable so several people can access and/or modify the database at the same time. For example, we have several sales reps typing price quotes, accounting people entering invoices and purchase orders, etc. * Some extra features - customer notes/history field, ability to tie purchase orders to invoices for tracking, inventory tracking, integration with our website and online ordering. I have looked high and low and not found any really advanced software that will fit the bill. We are willing to pay to have something built from the ground up. The idea of a web-based application built on LAMP (linux/apache/mySQL/PHP) appeals to me because it would be so portable and accessible from any web browser. I'm not sure that's feasable but any suggestions guys? From nanderso at rackspace.com Thu Jun 10 10:28:49 2004 From: nanderso at rackspace.com (Nathan Anderson) Date: Thu Jun 10 09:15:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Accounting Software In-Reply-To: <1086875873.21848.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086875873.21848.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <1086877729.28403.238.camel@office110-81.sat.rackspace.com> Try SQL-Ledger (http://www.sql-ledger.org/). Very cool Open Source software IMHO, they even offer support contracts and customization services. -Nathan On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 08:57, Sean Carolan wrote: > We have just about outgrown quickbooks as a useful accounting software. > I'm in need of an accounting, inventory, customer management package > that can be customized to work for our company. Here are some of the > features we need: > > * Runs on Linux (if this wasn't obvious) > > * Must contain all basic accounting features such as invoicing, > purchase orders, printing checks, PNL reports, etc. All the basic stuff > you get with a package like Quickbooks or Peachtree. > > * Needs to be network capable so several people can access and/or > modify the database at the same time. For example, we have several > sales reps typing price quotes, accounting people entering invoices and > purchase orders, etc. > > * Some extra features - customer notes/history field, ability to tie > purchase orders to invoices for tracking, inventory tracking, > integration with our website and online ordering. > > I have looked high and low and not found any really advanced software > that will fit the bill. We are willing to pay to have something built > from the ground up. The idea of a web-based application built on LAMP > (linux/apache/mySQL/PHP) appeals to me because it would be so portable > and accessible from any web browser. I'm not sure that's feasable but > any suggestions guys? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Jun 10 12:48:14 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Thu Jun 10 11:35:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Accounting Software In-Reply-To: <1086875873.21848.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1086875873.21848.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40C890CE.2030104@futuretechsolutions.com> It is neither open source, nor web basedn but I kinda like Quasar. http://www.linuxcanada.com Sean Carolan wrote: >We have just about outgrown quickbooks as a useful accounting software. >I'm in need of an accounting, inventory, customer management package >that can be customized to work for our company. Here are some of the >features we need: > >* Runs on Linux (if this wasn't obvious) > >* Must contain all basic accounting features such as invoicing, >purchase orders, printing checks, PNL reports, etc. All the basic stuff >you get with a package like Quickbooks or Peachtree. > >* Needs to be network capable so several people can access and/or >modify the database at the same time. For example, we have several >sales reps typing price quotes, accounting people entering invoices and >purchase orders, etc. > >* Some extra features - customer notes/history field, ability to tie >purchase orders to invoices for tracking, inventory tracking, >integration with our website and online ordering. > >I have looked high and low and not found any really advanced software >that will fit the bill. We are willing to pay to have something built >from the ground up. The idea of a web-based application built on LAMP >(linux/apache/mySQL/PHP) appeals to me because it would be so portable >and accessible from any web browser. I'm not sure that's feasable but >any suggestions guys? > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Jun 10 12:50:16 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Thu Jun 10 11:37:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] new linux box In-Reply-To: <54148.129.111.175.204.1086875603.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <40C7E5E7.6030905@urdirect.net> <54148.129.111.175.204.1086875603.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <40C89148.8070606@futuretechsolutions.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: >Donn D. said: > > >>Hi - >> >>I'm new to this list. Have been using linux off & on for over a year - >>the more I use it the more I like it... >>I have used mandrake 8.1 & 9.0, and more recently RH9 and Fedora Core >>1. I am assembling a new machine to put linux exclusively on. My >>current main box is a win2k box, which I would like to replace with a >>linux box with one of the new distros on it. >>Anyway, what I bought was an Antec aluminum case (350 w), FX5200 video, >>and I already have a spare W-D 200Gb H-D. Tomorrow I am picking up the >>mobo, RAM and proc (MSI value board (KT400A) 512Mb DDR 400, and an AMD >>xp2800+ barton). I am looking forward to having a good time with this >>new machine - can't wait to dump winblows. My questions are: >>Can you use a TV card in a linux box and watch TV on your computer? >>Can you watch DVDs and rip & burn DVDs like in winblows? >> >> > >The answer is yes to both questions. For TV playback, I recommand a >Hauppage WinTV (about $50 at Compusa). DVD playback you can do with >MPlayer or Xine. I think Xine supports menus now too. Rip and burn DVDs >may not be as easy as in Windows, but it is certainly doable. > > Xine does support menus. > > > >>I'm sure the answer to both is Yes, but there is quite a bit of talk in >>various forums about people having problems doing these things. On my >>win2k machine, I have an ATI A-I-W video card with TV - and since my >>wife hates basketball, I generrally have to watch Spurs games on my >>computer... Regarding the DVD burning, I use DVD Shrink on my win2k box >>to back up my most valuable DVDs (with a Sony DRU-510A burner). >> >> > >ATI AIW's are good cards, but not all of the functions work in Linux. >TV-out is *said* to work but I've never gotten it to. TV and Xv on the >other hand I have gotten to work with the GATOS drivers. > > > >>Are there any hardware recommendations for the above - I gather that >>people avoid ATI all-in-wonder cards under linux - seems people prefer a >>separate TV card, such a Hauppauge. For a DVD burner, will any brand >>work the same under linux? I'd like to get maybe a Lite-On DVD burner - >>they are a little cheaper than some others. >> >> > >Any IDE/SCSI/Firewire/USB DVD burner will work in Linux. > > > > From rdpears2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 16:17:51 2004 From: rdpears2001 at yahoo.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Jun 10 15:04:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Accounting Software In-Reply-To: <1086875873.21848.11.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: >Sean Carolan wrote--- >We have just about outgrown quickbooks... Looks like some real good solutions coming in... Take a look at--- http://www.cpata.com/articles/2004/JuneJuly/smallbizacct.shtm This article reviews several COTS (Commercial off the Shelf) solutions including QuickBooks Premier 2004, and my favorite, NetSuite. The main value of the article, to me, is the size of the company in each solution and the pricing. If you are growing, easy scalability in application software is priceless. Home-grown is always the most flexible but the Development and Management can really be big time consumers and negatively impact profitability by severely limiting "Time to Value" or "Time to Market". I put this email out on a SOHO (Small Office Home Office) Discussion list and so far got these two suggestions--- Eric Schnoebelen wrote--- You might look at SQL-Ledger, profiled in a recent issue of Linux Journal.. It does all of the basics of Quick Books, is network accessible and has fine grained access control. According to the article, it also provides some of the extras desired.. http://www.sql-ledger.org Greg Pratt wrote--- He didn't state the ones he looked at, but I've heard good things about Compiere http://sourceforge.net/projects/compiere/ Thanks, Robert Pearson rdpears2001@yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/2004 From tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net Thu Jun 10 20:31:48 2004 From: tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net (Travis Miller) Date: Thu Jun 10 19:18:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Socket 7 Motherboard Message-ID: <40C8FD74.10608@web-1hosting.net> Hey guys, I recently needed to replace a board that went out for a Pentium III machine and goofed up and ordered a board that only supports Pentium I and AMD socket 7 chips. It is a Microstar MS5185, I paid $25 for it and will gladly pass it along to anyone looking for such a board for the same plus shipping (I'm living in Houston right now). I figured someone out there might need a main board for a gateway/router/firewall. Lemme know off list if your interested. Manual available here: http://www.motherboards.org/files/manuals/79/5185v10.zip - Travis From junkmailer at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 10 20:40:39 2004 From: junkmailer at satx.rr.com (Luis) Date: Thu Jun 10 19:23:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] XMMS under Fedura 1 question Message-ID: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> Hello everyone, First off all, I would like to thank everyone who helped me at the Linux Installfest. I would really like to thank Tom from Rackspace for demonstrating the network install. I brought my little ole PC and did the net install of Fedora 1. Thanks a bunch guys. Now the question. I also did a net install of XMMS 1.2.8 but I am unable to play my mp3 files. I get the message: Due to patent licensing, and conflicts between such patent licenses and the licenses of application source code, MPEG-1/2 audio layer 3 (mp3) support has been removed from the application by Red Hat, Inc. OK what gives? I was able to us XMMS on my Mandrake 9.0 but now Red Hat took it upon themselves and do me the "FAVOR" of removing mp3 support. I am hoping that someone out there has figured out a way to play my mp3 files on Linux (Fedora). Luis Garza From junkmailer at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 10 20:56:24 2004 From: junkmailer at satx.rr.com (Luis) Date: Thu Jun 10 19:39:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Push on to Make VOIP free and/or Open Source In-Reply-To: <20040609192508.21429.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040609192508.21429.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40C90338.3060003@satx.rr.com> I remember reading about skype in some business magazine. It had an article about some telecommunication conference were the keynote speaker was the man in charge of the FCC. He was something like he has seen the future of telecommunications and it is skype. The FCC is starting to recognize that VoIP will be their next step. In fact, I found an add from AT&T offering VoIP for $19.99 a month. (Provided that you have a high speed connection) Question: Is 19.99 a good prize for VoIP? It offered free long distance voice mail and some other stuff. They also said that local and state taxes apply. Mary Yatti wrote: >I am getting ready to try Skype--Free Internet >Telephony (free!!!) which only runs on Windows >machines. Has anyone tried this? It sounds cool. >http://www.skype.com/home.html > >Skype is free and simple software that will enable you >to make free calls anywhere in the world in minutes. >Skype, created by the people who brought you KaZaA, >uses innovative P2P (peer-to-peer) technology to >connect you with other Skype users. If you are tired >of paying outrageous fees for telephony, Skype is for >you! > >Skype is quick and easy to install. Just download it, >register, and within minutes you can plug in your PC >headset and call your friends on Skype. Skype calls >have excellent sound quality and are highly secure >with end-to-end encryption. Best of all, Skype does >not require you to reconfigure your firewall or >router???it just works! > >----------------------------------------- > >I am also looking into the push to make VOIP open >source: > >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1560625,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594 > >SIPfoundry initiative pulls together several projects. > >Several IP telephony veterans are banding together to >organize the first major open-source community >concentrating on VOIP technology. > >Pingtel Corp., of Woburn, Mass., is spearheading the >initiative, dubbed SIPfoundry, by releasing its SIP >(Session Initiation Protocol) software platform into >the open-source world as well as by forming a >nonprofit organization to give legal and technical >assistance to open-source developers working with >voice over IP. Pingtel's mission, officials said, is >to do for IP telephony what Apache and Linux have done >for enterprise servers. > >The open-source VOIP effort will pull together several >projects, including Vovida, an open-source SIP effort >used by Vonage, and Resiprocate, which provides a SIP >stack and tool kit that allow developers to build >applications that use SIP to initiate a session and >establish communication. > >Pingtel formed SIPfoundry to shepherd efforts to >create open-source IP telephony, messaging, presence >and collaboration software. An initial proposed board >of directors for SIPfoundry comprises people who have >worked on open-source IP telephony projects, including >Robert Sparks, Cullen Jennings and Jason Fischl from >the Resiprocate and Vovida projects; Bob Andreasen and >Dan Petrie of Pingtel; and Martin Steinmann of St. >Paul Venture Capital. > >"SIPfoundry's objective is to represent the SIP >community and offer the premier repository for >information for the development of VOIP," said >Steinmann, in Woburn. "It is a nonprofit company we >incorporated as a completely independent entity to be >the overall umbrella organization to care for >SIP-based activities in the open-source community. Its >governance structure is open to others to join. ... By >bringing together existing, functioning communities >that have proven they can deliver on key components of >the infrastructure, [SIPfoundry] has the critical >mass." > >SIPfoundry will also work to ensure interoperability >of implementations "across a broader set of industry >players," Steinmann said. > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From ruben50 at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 10 21:12:02 2004 From: ruben50 at satx.rr.com (Ruben G. Villanueva) Date: Thu Jun 10 19:58:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] XMMS under Fedura 1 question In-Reply-To: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> References: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1086916322.2880.7.camel@V1774NU3V4> On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 19:40, Luis wrote: > Hello everyone, > > First off all, I would like to thank everyone who helped me at the Linux > Installfest. I would really like to thank Tom from Rackspace for > demonstrating the network install. I brought my little ole PC and did > the net install of Fedora 1. Thanks a bunch guys. > > Now the question. I also did a net install of XMMS 1.2.8 but I am > unable to play my mp3 files. > > I get the message: > > Due to patent licensing, and conflicts between such patent licenses and > the licenses of application source code, MPEG-1/2 audio layer 3 (mp3) > support has been removed from the application by Red Hat, Inc. > > OK what gives? I was able to us XMMS on my Mandrake 9.0 but now Red Hat > took it upon themselves and do me the "FAVOR" of removing mp3 support. > > I am hoping that someone out there has figured out a way to play my mp3 > files on Linux (Fedora). > > Luis Garza > You need to install the xmms-mp3 plugin. If you have yum or apt installed, you will just need to login/su - as root and run: yum: [root@localhost root]$ yum install xmms-mp3 or apt: [root@localhost root]$ apt-get -install xmms-mp3 If you dont have either of the programs installed, just go to www.freshrpms.net and choose your distro. Yum is great. Good luck, Ruben From zodex at yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 19:47:56 2004 From: zodex at yahoo.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Thu Jun 10 20:34:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] new linux box In-Reply-To: <40C89148.8070606@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20040611014756.10276.qmail@web41312.mail.yahoo.com> --- Charles D Hogan wrote: > > > Jeremy Mann wrote: > > >Donn D. said: > > > > > >>Hi - > >> > >>I'm new to this list. Have been using linux off & > on for over a year - > >>the more I use it the more I like it... > >>I have used mandrake 8.1 & 9.0, and more recently > RH9 and Fedora Core > >>1. I am assembling a new machine to put linux > exclusively on. My > >>current main box is a win2k box, which I would > like to replace with a > >>linux box with one of the new distros on it. > >>Anyway, what I bought was an Antec aluminum case > (350 w), FX5200 video, > >>and I already have a spare W-D 200Gb H-D. > Tomorrow I am picking up the > >>mobo, RAM and proc (MSI value board (KT400A) 512Mb > DDR 400, and an AMD > >>xp2800+ barton). I am looking forward to having a > good time with this > >>new machine - can't wait to dump winblows. My > questions are: > >>Can you use a TV card in a linux box and watch TV > on your computer? > >>Can you watch DVDs and rip & burn DVDs like in > winblows? > >> > >> > > > >The answer is yes to both questions. For TV > playback, I recommand a > >Hauppage WinTV (about $50 at Compusa). DVD playback > you can do with > >MPlayer or Xine. I think Xine supports menus now > too. Rip and burn DVDs > >may not be as easy as in Windows, but it is > certainly doable. > > > > > > Xine does support menus. So does VLC i love that program.. > > > > > > > > >>I'm sure the answer to both is Yes, but there is > quite a bit of talk in > >>various forums about people having problems doing > these things. On my > >>win2k machine, I have an ATI A-I-W video card with > TV - and since my > >>wife hates basketball, I generrally have to watch > Spurs games on my > >>computer... Regarding the DVD burning, I use DVD > Shrink on my win2k box > >>to back up my most valuable DVDs (with a Sony > DRU-510A burner). > >> > >> > > > >ATI AIW's are good cards, but not all of the > functions work in Linux. > >TV-out is *said* to work but I've never gotten it > to. TV and Xv on the > >other hand I have gotten to work with the GATOS > drivers. > > > > > > > >>Are there any hardware recommendations for the > above - I gather that > >>people avoid ATI all-in-wonder cards under linux - > seems people prefer a > >>separate TV card, such a Hauppauge. For a DVD > burner, will any brand > >>work the same under linux? I'd like to get maybe > a Lite-On DVD burner - > >>they are a little cheaper than some others. > >> > >> > > > >Any IDE/SCSI/Firewire/USB DVD burner will work in > Linux. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug ===== May the World revolve around your wishes - Caleb Wylie Don't walk behind me I may not lead: Don't walk in front of me I may not follow: Just walk beside me and be a friend The only distance you can't calculate is the one between hearts. - Caleb Wylie " ...It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux..." Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you will die today!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From me at jchampion.com Thu Jun 10 21:53:49 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Thu Jun 10 20:40:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Socket 7 Motherboard References: <40C8FD74.10608@web-1hosting.net> Message-ID: <009501c44f56$f332a1e0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> i'll contact you off list... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Miller" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Socket 7 Motherboard > Hey guys, > > I recently needed to replace a board that went out for a Pentium III > machine and goofed up and ordered a board that only supports Pentium I > and AMD socket 7 chips. It is a Microstar MS5185, I paid $25 for it and > will gladly pass it along to anyone looking for such a board for the > same plus shipping (I'm living in Houston right now). I figured someone > out there might need a main board for a gateway/router/firewall. Lemme > know off list if your interested. > > Manual available here: > http://www.motherboards.org/files/manuals/79/5185v10.zip > > - Travis > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.693 / Virus Database: 454 - Release Date: 6/1/2004 From junkmailer at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 10 22:18:36 2004 From: junkmailer at satx.rr.com (Luis) Date: Thu Jun 10 21:01:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] XMMS under Fedura 1 question In-Reply-To: <1086916322.2880.7.camel@V1774NU3V4> References: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> <1086916322.2880.7.camel@V1774NU3V4> Message-ID: <40C9167C.2010307@satx.rr.com> Ruben G. Villanueva wrote: >On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 19:40, Luis wrote: > > >>Hello everyone, >> >>First off all, I would like to thank everyone who helped me at the Linux >>Installfest. I would really like to thank Tom from Rackspace for >>demonstrating the network install. I brought my little ole PC and did >>the net install of Fedora 1. Thanks a bunch guys. >> >>Now the question. I also did a net install of XMMS 1.2.8 but I am >>unable to play my mp3 files. >> >>I get the message: >> >>Due to patent licensing, and conflicts between such patent licenses and >>the licenses of application source code, MPEG-1/2 audio layer 3 (mp3) >>support has been removed from the application by Red Hat, Inc. >> >>OK what gives? I was able to us XMMS on my Mandrake 9.0 but now Red Hat >>took it upon themselves and do me the "FAVOR" of removing mp3 support. >> >>I am hoping that someone out there has figured out a way to play my mp3 >>files on Linux (Fedora). >> >>Luis Garza >> >> >> >You need to install the xmms-mp3 plugin. If you have yum or apt >installed, you will just need to login/su - as root and run: >yum: >[root@localhost root]$ yum install xmms-mp3 > >or apt: >[root@localhost root]$ apt-get -install xmms-mp3 > >If you dont have either of the programs installed, just go to >www.freshrpms.net and choose your distro. Yum is great. > >Good luck, >Ruben > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > Thanks for your response. I tried the yum command and got the following results: [root@cxxxxxx root]# yum install xmms-mp3 Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Cannot find a package matching xmms-mp3 No actions to take [root@cxxxxxx root]# From weaver at merold.net Fri Jun 11 15:36:10 2004 From: weaver at merold.net (Julian Peterson) Date: Thu Jun 10 21:23:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] XMMS under Fedura 1 question In-Reply-To: <40C9167C.2010307@satx.rr.com> References: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> <1086916322.2880.7.camel@V1774NU3V4> <40C9167C.2010307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200406111436.10667.weaver@merold.net> > >> > >>Now the question. I also did a net install of XMMS 1.2.8 but I am > >>unable to play my mp3 files. > >> [snip] > > > >You need to install the xmms-mp3 plugin. If you have yum or apt > >installed, you will just need to login/su - as root and run: > >yum: > >[root@localhost root]$ yum install xmms-mp3 > > > >or apt: > >[root@localhost root]$ apt-get -install xmms-mp3 > > [snip] > > Thanks for your response. > > I tried the yum command and got the following results: > > [root@cxxxxxx root]# yum install xmms-mp3 > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base > Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Cannot find a package matching xmms-mp3 > No actions to take > [root@cxxxxxx root]# > Try adding the following to the end of your /etc/yum.conf file: [freshrpms] name=Freshrpms.net - Fedora $releasever (freshrpms) baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms Alternatively (or in addition to), you can check out the yum repositories at http://rpm.livna.org/ Regards, Julian. -- Graduate life: It's not just a job. It's an indenture. From yatinhat at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 01:24:38 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Fri Jun 11 02:11:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Presentation by Tom Bridgehouse from Sun Microsystems In-Reply-To: <200406081312.i58DCFI15866@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040611072438.804.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> I really enjoyed Tom's presentation on Sun Java desktop and Enterprise systems. Does anybody know of Sun Micro/Solaris courses in the local San Antonio area? Does anybody know if the San Antonio Sun Microsystems Users Group has started and is having meetings? If so, I would like to join. I especially want to know more about Zones, Looking Glass, Solaris 9 and 10. Thanks to Tom for an excellent presentation. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From yatinhat at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 01:49:24 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Fri Jun 11 02:35:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SCO scoop legal website In-Reply-To: <200406110711.i5B7BTI31326@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040611074924.5441.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> Pamela Jones who is responsible for a weblog, Groklaw, which deals with the SCO case. Her site is an excellent resource for those looking for a well-maintained and comprehensive guide to what's going on day-to-day surrounding the SCO controversy. http://www.groklaw.net/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From yatinhat at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 01:53:04 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Fri Jun 11 02:39:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SCO Loses Attempt to move Novell Case to State Court In-Reply-To: <200406110711.i5B7BTI31326@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040611075304.4824.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1610567,00.asp http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2004/tc20040611_3698_tc055.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From aedinius at hotmail.com Fri Jun 11 04:01:07 2004 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Fri Jun 11 02:47:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Hotspots Message-ID: There are a couple of others around town ... I know Roly Poly has one, but I haven't checked it out myself. My coworker can't get his laptop to connect (WinXP Pro), but wants me to check it out with my laptop (Mac OS X). Anyone else checked it out or checked out some other places? (Not including the tmobile ones ... they're everwhere, really.) >From: Bryan Scott >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: SATLUG >Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Hotspots >Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:08:19 -0500 > >Not sure if anyone posted anything on this. If so sorry for the >duplication. > >TXDOT is trying to setup WIFI at all the Texas Rest Areas. WooHoo! > >http://www.dot.state.tx.us/txdotnews/026-2004.htm > >-Bryan >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From leoem at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 11 05:02:15 2004 From: leoem at satx.rr.com (Leo E. Midha) Date: Fri Jun 11 03:48:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for Sun Hardware Message-ID: <200406110902.i5B92GBu007826@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> Greetings, I'm on the look out for some Sun Hardware for my Ultra1 and Ultra2, Looking for a couple of 9.1gb SCSI drives, some RAM, and an UltraSPARC-II 300mhz. Are there any parts "shop" around town? Or am I stuck to hunting thru Ebay, and the traveling Computer Shows every once in a while... Or maybe someone here on the list has some spare sun hardware? (I have an UltraSPARC-I 200mhz to trade) NetrixTardis From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Fri Jun 11 03:16:29 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jun 11 04:02:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] XMMS under Fedura 1 question In-Reply-To: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040611091629.345.qmail@web106.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Luis: Fedora removed mp3 support because the codec is not entirely free software. Fedora developers goal is to release a distro that is entirely open source software. So, to get goodies like MP3 support, Xine, etc. you can grab those packages here: http://ayo.freshrpms.net You can add a section to your /etc/yum.conf that looks like this (if you are using YUM for updates): [freshrpms] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - FreshRPMS baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms Then you just do: yum update yum install xmms-mp3 Personally I agree with you and think that they should add that option during the install like Debian does with the "Non-free and contrib" sections of their repository. From rthomas at texas.net Fri Jun 11 08:52:46 2004 From: rthomas at texas.net (Robert J. Thomas) Date: Fri Jun 11 07:46:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] XMMS under Fedura 1 question In-Reply-To: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> References: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1086958365.4032.9.camel@cambot.localdomain> Hello Luis, The unofficial Fedora FAQ at: http://www.fedorafaq.org/fc1/ lists a yum.conf which you can use to augment your default yum configuration and easily install and update xmms-mp3 as well as other good stuff such as the flash plug-in for mozilla and xine. There is a version of the FAQ for Fedora Core 2 also. The yum.conf is difference for Fedora Core 2. If you are concerned about regularly updating Fedora Core 1, and are relatively new to it, I recommend downloading and installing red-carpet from: http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/update.html Red-carpet will help you keep all of the packages which came with Fedora Core 1 updated as well as allowing you to install packages that you download. Best Regards, -Bob T. On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 19:40, Luis wrote: > Hello everyone, > > First off all, I would like to thank everyone who helped me at the Linux > Installfest. I would really like to thank Tom from Rackspace for > demonstrating the network install. I brought my little ole PC and did > the net install of Fedora 1. Thanks a bunch guys. > > Now the question. I also did a net install of XMMS 1.2.8 but I am > unable to play my mp3 files. > > I get the message: > > Due to patent licensing, and conflicts between such patent licenses and > the licenses of application source code, MPEG-1/2 audio layer 3 (mp3) > support has been removed from the application by Red Hat, Inc. > > OK what gives? I was able to us XMMS on my Mandrake 9.0 but now Red Hat > took it upon themselves and do me the "FAVOR" of removing mp3 support. > > I am hoping that someone out there has figured out a way to play my mp3 > files on Linux (Fedora). > > Luis Garza > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From rthomas at texas.net Fri Jun 11 08:55:51 2004 From: rthomas at texas.net (Robert J. Thomas) Date: Fri Jun 11 07:49:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Hotspots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086958550.4032.13.camel@cambot.localdomain> I believe there is one at the coffee shop (Seattle Cinnamon) at 281/Bitters and Navarro/College. Check out: http://www.auscillate.com/wireless/san_antonio/ For a list in SA. On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 03:01, Andrew Benson wrote: > There are a couple of others around town ... I know Roly Poly has one, but I > haven't checked it out myself. My coworker can't get his laptop to connect > (WinXP Pro), but wants me to check it out with my laptop (Mac OS X). Anyone > else checked it out or checked out some other places? (Not including the > tmobile ones ... they're everwhere, really.) > > > >From: Bryan Scott > >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > >To: SATLUG > >Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Hotspots > >Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:08:19 -0500 > > > >Not sure if anyone posted anything on this. If so sorry for the > >duplication. > > > >TXDOT is trying to setup WIFI at all the Texas Rest Areas. WooHoo! > > > >http://www.dot.state.tx.us/txdotnews/026-2004.htm > > > >-Bryan > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! > http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu Fri Jun 11 09:07:29 2004 From: skolars at venus.sac.accd.edu (Steve Kolars) Date: Fri Jun 11 07:54:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mono, suse, novell; firebird Message-ID: <40C9AE91.8080206@venus.sac.accd.edu> Here's some to watch: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/34338.html http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/34399.html Steve From akonstam at trinity.edu Fri Jun 11 09:41:41 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Fri Jun 11 08:23:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] XMMS under Fedura 1 question In-Reply-To: <40C9167C.2010307@satx.rr.com> References: <40C8FF87.5030201@satx.rr.com> <1086916322.2880.7.camel@V1774NU3V4> <40C9167C.2010307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040611134141.GA15646@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 09:18:36PM -0500, Luis wrote: > Ruben G. Villanueva wrote: > > >On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 19:40, Luis wrote: > > > > > >You need to install the xmms-mp3 plugin. If you have yum or apt > >installed, you will just need to login/su - as root and run: > >yum: > >[root@localhost root]$ yum install xmms-mp3 > > > >or apt: > >[root@localhost root]$ apt-get -install xmms-mp3 > > > >If you dont have either of the programs installed, just go to > >www.freshrpms.net and choose your distro. Yum is great. > > > >Good luck, > >Ruben > > > > > > > Thanks for your response. > > I tried the yum command and got the following results: > > [root@cxxxxxx root]# yum install xmms-mp3 > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base > Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Cannot find a package matching xmms-mp3 > No actions to take > [root@cxxxxxx root]# Go to: http://rpm.livna.org//fedora/2/i386/RPMS,stable/xmms-mp3-1.2.10-0.1.lvn.2.2.i386.rpm We almpst made it on one line. This assumes FC2. Probbably the FC1 rpm is around there also. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From bryan.scott at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 10:22:03 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Fri Jun 11 09:08:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet Hotspots In-Reply-To: <1086958550.4032.13.camel@cambot.localdomain> References: <1086958550.4032.13.camel@cambot.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:55:51 -0500, Robert J. Thomas wrote: > > I believe there is one at the coffee shop (Seattle Cinnamon) at > 281/Bitters and Navarro/College. > > Check out: > > http://www.auscillate.com/wireless/san_antonio/ > > For a list in SA. > That is a cool list, too bad no one really uses it. I kinda wanted to setup a list of all the wifi points I found while around driving, but too lazy. There are lots of wifi available places majority t-mobile. But the cool thing about the rest area stuff is there ain't much 802.11 kickin out on I-10 and the northern sections of 1-35, so if you travel you know it is pretty cool. You can get out and check your mail every couple hours while your in Texas. The big bonus, it's Free. unless you don't have a 802.11 enabled device. -Bryan From afcasta at texas.net Fri Jun 11 13:13:09 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Fri Jun 11 11:59:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <40BC9F0E.8090702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <000001c44fd7$61881e10$0301a8c0@sam> Bruce Dubbs wrote: : dubose@texas.net wrote: [...] :> I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M RAM :> and would always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more and :> more RAM. :> What happened to Linux? : What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try to : add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` to : see that they have a tonn of daemons running. OTOH, I just set up a : series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the : total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details see: : http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf : Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. : -- Bruce That looks like a good generic server install, but some of us are constrained to using RHEL. On the server I built last week, for example, to run Oracle 10g AS, the smallest server I could use was RHEL 2.1, which is a tad smaller than a normal Fedora 2 install, but still bigger than the RH 9 installs we could use for Oracle 9i AS. Even the commercial software houses are demanding more bloatware bundled in the OS these days. -- Al Castanoli | afcasta@satlug.org or afcasta@texas.net Computers save time like kudzu prevents soil erosion. From slacker at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 11 14:09:39 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Fri Jun 11 12:52:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux Message-ID: <20040611130939.046659c4@malaga.home> All of the uneeded services in RH can be turned off just like any other distro. There are plenty of distros out there that will run in a small amount of RAM - www.distrowatch.com lists several of them. They are very small installs, and have small ram usage. What drives disc and ram usage up are GUI elements. The more intricate the GUI, the larger the ram and disc space requirements. RH has probably done what they have done to attract a larger audience of users. No harm in that. On the flip-side, they should probably better evaluate the services that are turned on by default, and tailor them for the average user. That might help. On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:13:09 -0500 Al Castanoli wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > : dubose@texas.net wrote: > > [...] > > :> I remember the time when we would say the Linux would run on 32 M > RAM > > :> and would always work on very low amounts of RAM where MS took more > and :> more RAM. > > :> What happened to Linux? > > : What happened was RedHat. They are trying to emulate Windows... try > to > : add every conceivable application. You just have to do an `ps -ef` > to > > : see that they have a tonn of daemons running. OTOH, I just set up a > : series of secure servers using Linux From Scratch as a base and the > : total *disk* space was 250MB without trying very hard. For details > see: > > : http://sol.sac.accd.edu/~bdubbs/secure-linux.pdf > > : Note: Its 160 pages, 0.5MB. > > : -- Bruce > > That looks like a good generic server install, but some of us are > constrained to using RHEL. On the server I built last week, for > example, to run Oracle 10g AS, the smallest server I could use was > RHEL 2.1, which is a tad smaller than a normal Fedora 2 install, but > still bigger than the RH 9 installs we could use for Oracle 9i AS. > Even the commercial software houses are demanding more bloatware > bundled in the OS these days. > > -- > Al Castanoli | afcasta@satlug.org or afcasta@texas.net > Computers save time like kudzu prevents soil erosion. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From aedinius at hotmail.com Fri Jun 11 14:38:10 2004 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Fri Jun 11 13:24:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash and Mozilla/FireFox Message-ID: I've had this problem for quite a while now, still haven't figured out what it is. It seems to only be this one thing, since MPlayer and XMMS seem to work fine, but audio is seriously lagged when watching flash videos. Kinda puts a hamper on watching a lot of the flash videos and stuff like the cartons and what not. Anyone else notice that? I'm using ALSA, and I think FireFox goes through the OSS stuff, but I'm pretty sure Mozilla uses ALSA itself. I'm also using the open nVidia sound driver that comes stock with kernel 2.6.6. // Drew _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From doug at clickdoug.com Fri Jun 11 15:11:37 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Fri Jun 11 13:58:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux References: <20040611130939.046659c4@malaga.home> Message-ID: <0d5001c44fe7$eb6bb280$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> quote : : RH has probably done what they have done to attract a larger audience of : users. No harm in that. On the flip-side, they should probably better : evaluate the services that are turned on by default, and tailor them for : the average user. That might help. : : What RH is doing is to try to bring Linux into the mainstream and make it appeal to a much wider audience, especially those who have no other experience than windows, and windows applications. They have recognized that not every Linux user must be command-line competent, and that there is room for the drag-n-drop type customers. At least that is the market they are now targeting, and they have some company there as well. With the SCO fear and uncertainty initiative faltering, there well may be a much larger market out there for Linux and its derivatives. Certainly Microsoft has been fairly targeted for this initiative. The UNIX crowd by default gave up years ago when the chief complaint of computer users was compatibility, that is I want applications that will run on my computer without dependence on the underlying operating system. Microsoft rightly targeted this audience and the rest is history. Through morphing, they greedily tightly integrated applications with the operating system while Linux is still mostly a modular collection of applets. What Linux presently does, it seems to do well. On the other hand Microsoft, partly because of its dominance in the marketplace, and their attempts to be an all in one solution for everything, they failed to properly account for miscreants who would start taking advantage of its integration and start working on exploits, one after another. I can remember how Sendmail on Linux came into disfavor mainly because the most common installation packages set it to be an open relay by default, thus supporting the rise of spam. The newer versions no longer do this, but not everyone has upgraded, and there are still some sendmail configurations that are open relays for spammers to use as they see fit. Of course there are Windows mail server applications that followed suit inadvertently adding to the problem of spam. Then as admins and programmers got wise (got educated) and started plugging these holes, the spammer technology moved to worm and virus infections to create a whole new database of open relays for the spammers to use. Since Microsoft was the leader in the marketplace, of course that is the OS that is most targeted. It is not just a weakness in Microsoft, gee, try putting in a weak password on a Linux installation and see just how quick your system gets rooted. Folks, it still happens today. Our defense is mainly education, education. The easier a computer is to brought into productivity when purchased or built, the bigger the chance that the naive will be operating them. Computer and network security being on the front burner is still somewhat a new concept, and has created opportunities for administrators as well as for the miscreants. Only recently have a few Universities taken on the granting of courses of study in this specialty, UTSA being one of the few, mainly because of their closeness to the security leaders at Lackland AFB. As we gain experience it behooves all of us to try to educate the new users as to the importance of not misusing all the capacity they are buying and building for such low cost, so as to co-exist with the rest of the computing neighborhood. Kudos for RH and others that have finally decided to market to the masses and become real competition to Microsoft. My 0.02 Doug From miguelf at satlug.org Fri Jun 11 16:00:52 2004 From: miguelf at satlug.org (Miguel A. Figueroa) Date: Fri Jun 11 14:46:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for graphic artist Message-ID: <1086984052.6603.2.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> Please contact me offline. Thanks, Miguel -- ============================= Miguel A. Figueroa San Antonio Linux Users Group http://satlug.org San Antonio, TX miguelf@satlug.org From bdubbs at swbell.net Fri Jun 11 17:54:23 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jun 11 16:40:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] A Break Through for Linux In-Reply-To: <000001c44fd7$61881e10$0301a8c0@sam> References: <000001c44fd7$61881e10$0301a8c0@sam> Message-ID: <40CA2A0F.4020302@swbell.net> Al Castanoli wrote: >That looks like a good generic server install, but some of us are >constrained to using RHEL. On the server I built last week, for >example, to run Oracle 10g AS, the smallest server I could use was RHEL >2.1, which is a tad smaller than a normal Fedora 2 install, but still >bigger than the RH 9 installs we could use for Oracle 9i AS. Even the >commercial software houses are demanding more bloatware bundled in the >OS these days. > > I have been able to install 10g on a RH9 system. The only thing to change is the file /etc/redhat-release. It's a one line file with the content (that I used): Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS release 3 (Taroon Update 2) The only reason 10g wouldn't install on LFS is that it needs a few X libraries. It doesn't need them after the install. To me, running *anything* unnecessary on a server is dumb. IFAIK, they don't give an option for a command line install. BTW, I did the install remotely and never had to start the X server. The install just needed the libraries. The instructions for X are in BLFS. Of course, you could cut down on the massive amount of packages that RH installs by default by choosing only the packages needed in a custom RH install. -- Bruce From indigotwilight at softhome.net Fri Jun 11 18:18:28 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Fri Jun 11 18:04:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Southwest Research Job Fair Message-ID: Thought this might be of interest to some of you in the San Antonio area. Our annual job fair at Southwest Research Institute is tomorrow, June 12th from 10:00AM to 2:00PM on the SwRI campus. I'm not sure of what positions are open, but you can see the current openings here: ttp://www.swri.org/5news/person/pershome.htm -Mike W. From pfrostie at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 23:28:22 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Fri Jun 11 21:59:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Southwest Research Job Fair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406112228.22197.pfrostie@yahoo.com> if you're say, 1200 miles away can you just send a resume? On Fri June 11 2004 07:18 pm, indigotwilight@softhome.net wrote: > Thought this might be of interest to some of you in the San Antonio area. > > Our annual job fair at Southwest Research Institute is tomorrow, June 12th > from 10:00AM to 2:00PM on the SwRI campus. I'm not sure of what positions > are open, but you can see the current openings here: > ttp://www.swri.org/5news/person/pershome.htm > > -Mike W. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From afcasta at texas.net Sat Jun 12 08:53:35 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat Jun 12 07:40:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] new linux box In-Reply-To: <40C7E5E7.6030905@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <000201c4507c$49c4fd70$0301a8c0@sam> When I was running Mandrake and All-in-Wonder cards, the gatos project had drivers that worked for me. Now I use Hauppauge video cards on my boxen because they're rock solid for the purposes to which I use them and they're cheap at Ft. Sam Houston's PX. Check out: http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ -- Al Castanoli | afcasta@satlug.org or afcasta@texas.net Computers save time like kudzu prevents soil erosion. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Donn D. Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:39 PM To: Satlug Subject: [SATLUG] new linux box Hi - I'm new to this list. Have been using linux off & on for over a year - the more I use it the more I like it... I have used mandrake 8.1 & 9.0, and more recently RH9 and Fedora Core 1. I am assembling a new machine to put linux exclusively on. My current main box is a win2k box, which I would like to replace with a linux box with one of the new distros on it. Anyway, what I bought was an Antec aluminum case (350 w), FX5200 video, and I already have a spare W-D 200Gb H-D. Tomorrow I am picking up the mobo, RAM and proc (MSI value board (KT400A) 512Mb DDR 400, and an AMD xp2800+ barton). I am looking forward to having a good time with this new machine - can't wait to dump winblows. My questions are: Can you use a TV card in a linux box and watch TV on your computer? Can you watch DVDs and rip & burn DVDs like in winblows? I'm sure the answer to both is Yes, but there is quite a bit of talk in various forums about people having problems doing these things. On my win2k machine, I have an ATI A-I-W video card with TV - and since my wife hates basketball, I generrally have to watch Spurs games on my computer... Regarding the DVD burning, I use DVD Shrink on my win2k box to back up my most valuable DVDs (with a Sony DRU-510A burner). Are there any hardware recommendations for the above - I gather that people avoid ATI all-in-wonder cards under linux - seems people prefer a separate TV card, such a Hauppauge. For a DVD burner, will any brand work the same under linux? I'd like to get maybe a Lite-On DVD burner - they are a little cheaper than some others. Thanks for any advice! Donn _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From bdubbs at swbell.net Sun Jun 13 11:58:06 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Jun 13 10:44:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New kernel security problem Message-ID: <40CC798E.6060407@swbell.net> All current kernels have a newly discovered DOS security problem. The bug is only available if a malicious user has shell access. The result is a crashed system. See http://reviewed.homelinux.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html.en Time to get the latest kernel and patch that! -- Bruce From chuck at tetlow.net Sun Jun 13 13:19:33 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Sun Jun 13 12:05:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG meeting benefits..... Message-ID: <1087147173.1108.39.camel@laptop> Hi everyone, We had a great meeting this month. Our guest, Tom Bridgehouse graciously showed us the new things happening at Sun Microsystems. Including their new Linux distribution (terribly named Sun Java Desktop), a soon-to-come-out 3D desktop window manager, the new ability to do "zones" in the new Solaris 10, and the excellent desktop they are migrating to Solaris (both SPARC and Intel Solaris). VERY cool stuff! For those SATLUGgers who attended this week's meeting, you were promised access to a bonus. For those interested in the software promised, please send me a message direct and I'll send you the URL. We may make this available to the entire list later -- but that will depend on the website administrator. Thanks to everyone who attended -- it was a great meeting. I hope to see you all again next month... Chuck From slacker at satx.rr.com Sun Jun 13 13:36:01 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Sun Jun 13 12:18:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New kernel security problem In-Reply-To: <40CC798E.6060407@swbell.net> References: <40CC798E.6060407@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20040613123601.64016bcc@malaga.home> Yes, the bug exists in the 2.6.x series - just compiled the offending code and tested it! gcc -o crash crash.c If you want to lock up your system, D/L the code from the web site below, compile as above, then run "crash" in a terminal. Ok, I'm a programmer, I HAD to test it....:o) On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:58:06 -0500 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > All current kernels have a newly discovered DOS security problem. > > The bug is only available if a malicious user has shell access. The > result is a crashed system. > > See > http://reviewed.homelinux.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html.en > > Time to get the latest kernel and patch that! > > -- Bruce > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From akonstam at trinity.edu Sun Jun 13 17:07:21 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Sun Jun 13 15:49:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New kernel security problem In-Reply-To: <20040613123601.64016bcc@malaga.home> References: <40CC798E.6060407@swbell.net> <20040613123601.64016bcc@malaga.home> Message-ID: <20040613210721.GA29423@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:36:01PM -0500, Paul S. Bains wrote: > Yes, the bug exists in the 2.6.x series - just compiled the offending > code and tested it! > > gcc -o crash crash.c > > If you want to lock up your system, D/L the code from the web site > below, compile as above, then run "crash" in a terminal. Ok, I'm a > programmer, I HAD to test it....:o) I did exactly the same thing. Even called my program crash. But I differ with the characterization of the this program as simple or straightforward. Does anyone understand what it tries to do? -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From kell at spoonix.com Sun Jun 13 19:06:53 2004 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Sun Jun 13 17:34:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New kernel security problem In-Reply-To: <20040613210721.GA29423@Moof.cs.trinity.edu>; from akonstam@trinity.edu on Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 04:07:21PM -0500 References: <40CC798E.6060407@swbell.net> <20040613123601.64016bcc@malaga.home> <20040613210721.GA29423@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Message-ID: <20040613180653.A3571@inverness.spoonix.com> On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 04:07:21PM -0500, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote: > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:36:01PM -0500, Paul S. Bains wrote: > > Yes, the bug exists in the 2.6.x series - just compiled the offending > > code and tested it! > > > > gcc -o crash crash.c > > > > If you want to lock up your system, D/L the code from the web site > > below, compile as above, then run "crash" in a terminal. Ok, I'm a > > programmer, I HAD to test it....:o) > I did exactly the same thing. Even called my program crash. > But I differ with the characterization of the this program as simple > or straightforward. Does anyone understand what it tries to do? I found this via google: FSAVE saves the entire floating-point unit state, including all the information saved by FSTENV plus the contents of all the registers, to a 94 or 108 byte area of memory (depending on the CPU mode). FRSTOR restores the floating-point state from the same area of memory. I'm guessing that the first call to FSAVE ensures that junk gets written to the space that should be used for holding information from the registers, and then when you call FRSTOR it wipes out useful registers (like the one that tracks where the CPU is in executing stuff on the stack :) with the garbage it just "saved". I'm no asm monkey, though, and I don't know much about x86 arch. -- K. Spoon From slacker at satx.rr.com Sun Jun 13 20:42:54 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Sun Jun 13 19:25:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New kernel security problem In-Reply-To: <20040613210721.GA29423@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> References: <40CC798E.6060407@swbell.net> <20040613123601.64016bcc@malaga.home> <20040613210721.GA29423@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Message-ID: <20040613194254.1ca18c47@malaga.home> Not being a C programmer, much less a kernel programmer, I really don't know, other than maybe some kind of buffer overflow, or other anomaly. The best explanation I found was on GCC Bugzilla - http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15905 On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:07:21 -0500 akonstam@trinity.edu wrote: > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:36:01PM -0500, Paul S. Bains wrote: > > Yes, the bug exists in the 2.6.x series - just compiled the > > offending code and tested it! > > > > gcc -o crash crash.c > > > > If you want to lock up your system, D/L the code from the web site > > below, compile as above, then run "crash" in a terminal. Ok, I'm a > > programmer, I HAD to test it....:o) > I did exactly the same thing. Even called my program crash. > But I differ with the characterization of the this program as simple > or straightforward. Does anyone understand what it tries to do? > -- > ------------------------------------------- > Aaron Konstam > Computer Science > Trinity University > One Trinity Place. > San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 > > telephone: (210)-999-7484 > email:akonstam@trinity.edu -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From slacker at satx.rr.com Sun Jun 13 21:20:07 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Sun Jun 13 20:02:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New kernel security problem In-Reply-To: <20040613180653.A3571@inverness.spoonix.com> References: <40CC798E.6060407@swbell.net> <20040613123601.64016bcc@malaga.home> <20040613210721.GA29423@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> <20040613180653.A3571@inverness.spoonix.com> Message-ID: <20040613202007.1da525c4@malaga.home> What you are saying makes sense. Overwriting or erasing register contents or areas of RAM that are in use is generally a bad thing...! On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:06:53 -0500 "K. Spoon" wrote: > I found this via google: > > FSAVE saves the entire floating-point unit state, including all the > information saved by FSTENV plus the contents of all the registers, > to a 94 or 108 byte area of memory (depending on the CPU mode). > FRSTOR restores the floating-point state from the same area of > memory. > > I'm guessing that the first call to FSAVE ensures that junk gets > written to the space that should be used for holding information from > the registers, and then when you call FRSTOR it wipes out useful > registers (like the one that tracks where the CPU is in executing > stuff on the stack :) with the garbage it just "saved". > > I'm no asm monkey, though, and I don't know much about x86 arch. > > > -- > K. Spoon > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Mon Jun 14 10:02:27 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Mon Jun 14 08:47:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: help Message-ID: <8C3F94E7D77CD44B877E77DAEEF7911A07F6A6@amedmlsatx02.amed.ds.army.mil> Glenn: www.isystor.com is the company with the 60GB & 80GB laptop hard drives that I showed you recently. Regarding the location of apt-get -- It really depends on which version of Linux you intend to use it with. The "official" advanced packaging tool (APT) is part and parcel of Debian. What are you wanting to do with apt-get? Do you want to use it under Redhat? What you may not appreciate about apt is that for it to be useful, you need to have a package repository (ie URL) to point it at for your base operating system (Redhat, Debian, Fedora, whatever). Without that apt-get is useless. Regarding your hard drive enclosure not playing well with knoppix, I have some news. Not good/bad news -- just information. When you say it died 3 times, might I guess that you basically were just copying/creating files to the USB mounted partition? Isn't that correct? Might I also surmise that the notebook that you were using had the slower USB 1.1 spec ports? I've noticed the same thing with my enclosures: the computer to which you are connecting makes a big difference. However, there is good news. By attaching the enclosure to a server box with a USB 2.0 port, and mounting it there, I am able to copy (specifically scp) files to and from my computers using 100Mb ethernet cards which ends up being much faster than USB 1.1 anyway. Furthermore it seems more convenient not to have to carry it around -- just plug it into the network and its available. To learn what the correct workaround is, you'll have to speak with a system's administrator. Your friendly local software developer extraordinaire, Othniel Graichen -----Original Message----- From: Glenn F. Boswell [mailto:gboswell@accd.edu] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:32 PM To: Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS Subject: help I need the url for the harddrives you showed me plus where apt-get is located. My Dell box / partition died last night. I have re-installed RH9.0 but I'm afraid the drive may be dieing. I need to get all back on this machine before I transfer to new hardrive. The enclosure I have is not playing well with taring with knoppix. It died three times while tryin to tar my /home/gboswell to an ext3 partition on the usb drive. I finally just copied it all over the net to my home machine. I don't like these "crash learning" experiences. -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From JOE.CRAIG at earthlink.net Mon Jun 14 12:27:47 2004 From: JOE.CRAIG at earthlink.net (JOE N. CRAIG III) Date: Mon Jun 14 11:13:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun Java Desktop CD's from Meeting Message-ID: Hello all, I have been anxiously waiting to see the Sun Java Desktop cd's, from the meeting with Tom Bridgehouse, on the website for download. I can understand if we are not able to do that considering the current generosity of Rackspace (I can imagine the bandwith draw of 3 cd's). But, has a decision been made to make copies of the cd's and distribute ? Or, will they be available for download soon ??? I'm just curious and anxious. Thanks !!! Joe N. Craig III Joe.Craig@Earthlink.Net From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 14 12:33:19 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Jun 14 11:19:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun Java Desktop CD's from Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33882.129.111.175.204.1087230799.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> JOE N. CRAIG III said: > Hello all, > > I have been anxiously waiting to see the Sun Java Desktop cd's, from the > meeting with Tom Bridgehouse, on the website for download. I can > understand > if we are not able to do that considering the current generosity of > Rackspace (I can imagine the bandwith draw of 3 cd's). But, has a > decision > been made to make copies of the cd's and distribute ? Or, will they be > available for download soon ??? I'm just curious and anxious. Thanks !!! These are ISOs are still the Beta CDs. When are they going to make available Release 2? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From slacker at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 15 21:03:20 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Tue Jun 15 19:45:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Kernel patches Message-ID: <20040615200320.75535939@malaga.home> Just wanted to pass on that I tested the 'unofficial' kernel patch for the 2.6.6 series (to fix the recently reported bug), and it works fine. I'm running vanilla kernel source compiled on a Slack 9.1 box. I compared the official patch with one I got a day or so ago, and the code appears to be the same. I compiled and ran the offending "evil" code and all I got was a series of "*" in the terminal, as opposed to a required hard shutdown....;o) -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 15 21:15:18 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Tue Jun 15 19:51:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash and Mozilla/FireFox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087348519.1695.0.camel@zeus.matrix> have you tried updating your Flash plugin? Under Mozilla/Firefox, go to about:plugins and check your version.. The latest is 7 according to my Mozilla install. FIRESTORM_v1 On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 13:38, Andrew Benson wrote: > I've had this problem for quite a while now, still haven't figured out what > it is. It seems to only be this one thing, since MPlayer and XMMS seem to > work fine, but audio is seriously lagged when watching flash videos. Kinda > puts a hamper on watching a lot of the flash videos and stuff like the > cartons and what not. Anyone else notice that? I'm using ALSA, and I think > FireFox goes through the OSS stuff, but I'm pretty sure Mozilla uses ALSA > itself. I'm also using the open nVidia sound driver that comes stock with > kernel 2.6.6. > > // Drew > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups ? now 3 months FREE! > http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Jun 15 21:55:52 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Jun 15 20:42:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Kernel patches In-Reply-To: <20040615200320.75535939@malaga.home> References: <20040615200320.75535939@malaga.home> Message-ID: <1083.66.69.86.170.1087350952.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Paul S. Bains said: > Just wanted to pass on that I tested the 'unofficial' kernel patch for > the 2.6.6 series (to fix the recently reported bug), and it works fine. > I'm running vanilla kernel source compiled on a Slack 9.1 box. I > compared the official patch with one I got a day or so ago, and the > code appears to be the same. That's interesting because I applied the same patch to a custom 2.4.26 kernel (kernel.org but with our RAID controller built-in) and it did a stack trace during a reboot. Slackware-current with DAC960 builtin, no other patches applied. I find this weird because my laptop runs the stock Slack 2.4.26 kernel and I applied the same patch and it worked fine. I see Patrick released a kernel with this new patch. I'm curious if the source will affect me as before. Oh well, it'll be the weekend until I can find out. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From afouty at swri.edu Wed Jun 16 12:00:06 2004 From: afouty at swri.edu (Allen Fouty) Date: Wed Jun 16 10:46:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Solaris architecture 32/64 Message-ID: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> Anyone, I know this is a little off topic, but... How can you find out on a solaris box if the architecture is 32-bit or 64-bit? I need to install j2sdk1.4 & j2sdk1.5 on a solaris box and that requires knowledge of the architecture. I found the answer for this particular machine, but that is not good enough. The person that knew, remembered from performing the base system install. I want to be able to figure this out on a box that has been quietly running in a closet for three years where everyone associated with it has been hit by a bus, or any other cliche you want to use. TIA, Allen From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Jun 16 12:10:55 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 16 10:57:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Solaris architecture 32/64 In-Reply-To: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> References: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> Message-ID: <1087402256.1125.79.camel@laptop> Sorry, I don't know how to tell one or the other. But I think that if its been running in a closet for THREE years, its a safe assumption that its a 32-bit system. Then again, you know what usually happens when you ASSUME something! Chuck On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 11:00, Allen Fouty wrote: > Anyone, > > I know this is a little off topic, but... How can you find out on a > solaris box if the architecture is 32-bit or 64-bit? I need to install > j2sdk1.4 & j2sdk1.5 on a solaris box and that requires knowledge of the > architecture. > > I found the answer for this particular machine, but that is not good > enough. The person that knew, remembered from performing the base > system install. I want to be able to figure this out on a box that has > been quietly running in a closet for three years where everyone > associated with it has been hit by a bus, or any other cliche you want > to use. > > TIA, > > Allen > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From miguelf at satlug.org Wed Jun 16 12:25:42 2004 From: miguelf at satlug.org (Miguel A. Figueroa) Date: Wed Jun 16 11:11:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Solaris architecture 32/64 In-Reply-To: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> References: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> Message-ID: <1087403141.2775.0.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> Quick google search produced this: http://www.harmanresearch.com/solaris/#HowCanwetellSolarisOSisrunning32bitor64bit Miguel On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 11:00, Allen Fouty wrote: > Anyone, > > I know this is a little off topic, but... How can you find out on a > solaris box if the architecture is 32-bit or 64-bit? I need to install > j2sdk1.4 & j2sdk1.5 on a solaris box and that requires knowledge of the > architecture. > > I found the answer for this particular machine, but that is not good > enough. The person that knew, remembered from performing the base > system install. I want to be able to figure this out on a box that has > been quietly running in a closet for three years where everyone > associated with it has been hit by a bus, or any other cliche you want > to use. > > TIA, > > Allen > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- ============================= Miguel A. Figueroa San Antonio Linux Users Group http://satlug.org San Antonio, TX miguelf@satlug.org From miguelf at satlug.org Wed Jun 16 12:28:54 2004 From: miguelf at satlug.org (Miguel A. Figueroa) Date: Wed Jun 16 11:14:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Solaris architecture 32/64 In-Reply-To: <1087402256.1125.79.camel@laptop> References: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> <1087402256.1125.79.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1087403334.2775.3.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> actually, be default on an UltraSparc, it's 64-bit. From this FAQ: http://www.harmanresearch.com/solaris/#HowCanwetellSolarisOSisrunning32bitor64bit How to boot in 64/32 bit mode? To boot a 32-bit kernel, at the ok prompt type: ok boot [disk or net] kernel/unix To boot a 64-bit kernel (default), at the ok prompt type: ok boot [disk or net] kernel/sparcv9/unix ok boot [disk or net] Thanks, Miguel On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 11:10, Chuck wrote: > Sorry, I don't know how to tell one or the other. But I think that if > its been running in a closet for THREE years, its a safe assumption that > its a 32-bit system. Then again, you know what usually happens when you > ASSUME something! > > > Chuck > > > > On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 11:00, Allen Fouty wrote: > > Anyone, > > > > I know this is a little off topic, but... How can you find out on a > > solaris box if the architecture is 32-bit or 64-bit? I need to install > > j2sdk1.4 & j2sdk1.5 on a solaris box and that requires knowledge of the > > architecture. > > > > I found the answer for this particular machine, but that is not good > > enough. The person that knew, remembered from performing the base > > system install. I want to be able to figure this out on a box that has > > been quietly running in a closet for three years where everyone > > associated with it has been hit by a bus, or any other cliche you want > > to use. > > > > TIA, > > > > Allen > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- ============================= Miguel A. Figueroa San Antonio Linux Users Group http://satlug.org San Antonio, TX miguelf@satlug.org From mwhities at dynup.net Wed Jun 16 12:41:37 2004 From: mwhities at dynup.net (Michael D. Whities) Date: Wed Jun 16 11:28:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Firefox .9 Adblock In-Reply-To: <1087403141.2775.0.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> References: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> <1087403141.2775.0.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> Message-ID: <40D07841.3000400@dynup.net> http://idlemind.net/archives/000030.html Michael From spammer at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 16 13:45:20 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Wed Jun 16 12:31:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] lessons on tar.gz files Message-ID: <200406161245.20987.spammer@satx.rr.com> Ok I have tried and tried, and I cannot get a tar.gz file to install for me, anyone up for a lesson on how to do this,, or maybe we could talk Chuck into doing Linux lessons on VHS or DVD??? I just dont seem to be getting something right to get the install to work.. any ideas folks??? Thanks -- >From this day To the ending of the world We in it shall be remembered We lucky few We merry Band of Brothers For he who sheds his blood with me this day Shall be my brother. Henry V Nick Duffy From indigotwilight at softhome.net Wed Jun 16 13:28:53 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Wed Jun 16 13:15:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: lessons on tar.gz files In-Reply-To: <200406161245.20987.spammer@satx.rr.com> References: <200406161245.20987.spammer@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: > Ok I have tried and tried, and I cannot get a tar.gz file to install for me, > anyone up for a lesson on how to do this,, or maybe we could talk Chuck into > doing Linux lessons on VHS or DVD??? I just dont seem to be getting something > right to get the install to work.. any ideas folks??? > Thanks Tarring and gzipping a group of files doesn't have anything to do with installing. Tar is used to group a bunch of files together into a single file and the gzip is done to compress the tar file. Long story short, in order to install something from a tar.gz file, you must first extract the original files and then follow the specific installation instructions for the product. First, extract the files in the archive with tar xzf thefiles.tar.gz Once you've done this, see if you can find any README or INSTALL or any other text file that looks like it may explain what to do. If you downloaded the file from the internet, maybe there's installation documents at the same site where you downloaded it. HTH, -Mike From indigotwilight at softhome.net Wed Jun 16 13:45:58 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Wed Jun 16 13:32:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OT: Solaris architecture 32/64 In-Reply-To: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> References: <40D06E86.7020806@swri.edu> Message-ID: > I know this is a little off topic, but... How can you find out on a > solaris box if the architecture is 32-bit or 64-bit? isainfo -b HTH, -Mike From hstreit at swri.edu Wed Jun 16 18:03:05 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Wed Jun 16 16:49:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: lessons on tar.gz files In-Reply-To: References: <200406161245.20987.spammer@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <40D0C399.5000707@swri.edu> I would also like to raise the question as to the contents of the ?.tar.gz in question. Have you downloaded a source tarball or a binary tarball? There's quite a bit of difference between installing the two... indigotwilight@softhome.net wrote: >> Ok I have tried and tried, and I cannot get a tar.gz file to install >> for me, anyone up for a lesson on how to do this,, or maybe we could >> talk Chuck into doing Linux lessons on VHS or DVD??? I just dont seem >> to be getting something right to get the install to work.. any ideas >> folks??? >> Thanks > > > Tarring and gzipping a group of files doesn't have anything to do with > installing. Tar is used to group a bunch of files together into a > single file and the gzip is done to compress the tar file. Long story > short, in order to install something from a tar.gz file, you must first > extract the original files and then follow the specific installation > instructions for the product. > > First, extract the files in the archive with > tar xzf thefiles.tar.gz > > Once you've done this, see if you can find any README or INSTALL or any > other text file that looks like it may explain what to do. If you > downloaded the file from the internet, maybe there's installation > documents at the same site where you downloaded it. > > HTH, > -Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From slacker at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 16 21:42:51 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Wed Jun 16 20:25:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: lessons on tar.gz files In-Reply-To: <40D0C399.5000707@swri.edu> References: <200406161245.20987.spammer@satx.rr.com> <40D0C399.5000707@swri.edu> Message-ID: <20040616204251.1424617d@malaga.home> The tar.gz file is an archive and can contain source code or a binary. As for installing the previous poster is correct - you don't install a tar.gz, you unpack it and deal with the contents, be they source code or a binary of some sort. If you are talking about .tgz files, those can be installed because those are installation packages for Slackware. Wasn't sure what you meant, so I posted both examples. On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:03:05 -0500 "H. Streit" wrote: > I would also like to raise the question as to the contents of the > ?.tar.gz in question. Have you downloaded a source tarball or a > binary tarball? There's quite a bit of difference between installing > the two... > > indigotwilight@softhome.net wrote: > >> Ok I have tried and tried, and I cannot get a tar.gz file to > >install > for me, anyone up for a lesson on how to do this,, or maybe > >we could > talk Chuck into doing Linux lessons on VHS or DVD??? I > >just dont seem > to be getting something right to get the install to > >work.. any ideas > folks??? > >> Thanks > > > > > > Tarring and gzipping a group of files doesn't have anything to do > > with installing. Tar is used to group a bunch of files together > > into a single file and the gzip is done to compress the tar file. > > Long story short, in order to install something from a tar.gz file, > > you must first extract the original files and then follow the > > specific installation instructions for the product. > > > > First, extract the files in the archive with > > tar xzf thefiles.tar.gz > > > > Once you've done this, see if you can find any README or INSTALL or > > any other text file that looks like it may explain what to do. If > > you downloaded the file from the internet, maybe there's > > installation documents at the same site where you downloaded it. > > > > HTH, > > -Mike > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Jun 16 22:41:52 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 16 21:28:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Go Figure!!! You REALLY think MS would come up with a different study result??? Message-ID: <1087440113.1105.3.camel@laptop> Today's focus: Microsoft-funded study: Microsoft is cheaper to support than Linux By Phil Hochmuth A Microsoft-commissioned study was recently released comparing the cost of buying licenses and direct vendor support between Microsoft Windows Enterprise Server 2003, Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3 and SuSE Enterprise Linux 8. BearingPoint, a technology research and consulting firm, which conducted the study, found that the licensing costs associated with running Windows vs. the two Linux versions were about equal. The study also found that Windows in some cases was less expensive in terms of paying for long-term support than the two Linux flavors. The in-depth study used two model companies - an "Enterprise Business Profile" with 522 servers, 5,742 clients PCs and varying levels of technical support, while the "Medium Business Profile" consisted of 29 servers and 232 clients and support costs. Included into the complex equation was all three vendors' support offerings -such as Red Hat's Red Hat Network offering, SuSE's Red Carpet, and Microsoft's Software Assurance Program for volume licensing. These were compared over a three-year period with two models for support: 24-7 support for all servers and 24-7 support for "mission critical" servers. The study found that overtime, Red Hat was the most expensive to support when all servers are covered. When 24-7 support was shifted to only mission critical servers, it was found that all three products cost about the same. In response to the study, a Novell/SuSE spokesperson wrote: "I find it a bit funny that the study focuses on acquisition costs and reports that these are essentially a wash over a five-year period, but explicitly avoids a TCO assessment, which would be a much more relevant metric for a customer to consider over a five-year period. The study leaves out the cost of deploying and maintaining the servers over that period. Given the strong stability and interoperability features of Linux, I suspect Linux ends up well ahead here." Red Hat did not return a request for comment on the Microsoft/BearingPoint study. Go to to download the Microsoft-sponsored BearingPoint study. From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Thu Jun 17 14:46:03 2004 From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Thu Jun 17 13:33:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall (Bering-uClibc) Review Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC805F17045@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> I thought some of you might find this article at Toms Hardware interesting... ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From gboswell at accd.edu Thu Jun 17 17:15:18 2004 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Thu Jun 17 16:01:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Open .pdf frame in new page Message-ID: <40D209E6.1000307@accd.edu> Help I'm having a Senior moment. Before I did a re-install (Redhat 9.0) my browser (Mozilla) would allow me to open pdf links in a new frame page (Mozilla pop-up)with xpdf. Now when I try it I get a xpdf pop-up that offers a cache but doesn't open in a new window. My web pages were on another site (sol.sac.accd.edu) so it is not the web page with the link to a pdf that is in error. What did I lose or forget to add to Mozilla (straight 9.0 install version) or the xpdf program. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From akonstam at trinity.edu Thu Jun 17 19:31:55 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Thu Jun 17 18:13:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun Java report. Message-ID: <20040617233155.GA16529@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> I don't know whether any of you tried the Sun Java Workstation but if you do you will find: 1. It is really designed to appeal with the low level Windows user. 2. Therefore it has no C compiler. 3. As installed on a network it installs with DHCP without asking you whether you want a static ip. At least I did not find the static ip option. And once it is up I can't really find how to switch to a static ip. 4. It contains all the nonsense surrounding the user when he first launches Star Office of whether you want a local installation or a net installation. I would expect the average windows user would wonder which to choose. One of my colleagues guessed wrong. 5. With all sorts of configuration options ppp configuration involves flying by the seat of your pants. It is certainly not obvious for a Windows user. 6. On the good side it installs easily and has a lot of the feel of windows or is the latter the bad side. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Jun 17 20:59:51 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jun 17 19:46:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun Java report. In-Reply-To: <20040617233155.GA16529@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> References: <20040617233155.GA16529@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Message-ID: <2bc4d0tf4k5r6f21vvuqj3gh6v3li7ql6i@4ax.com> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:31:55 -0500, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote: >I don't know whether any of you tried the Sun Java Workstation but if >you do you will find: >1. It is really designed to appeal with the low level Windows user. ...with a higher-end system, not the typical retread Linux box. I installed on a modest (K6-450) box and the biggest problems were long pauses near the end (95%) of CDs 1 and 2. I thought something had locked up. Finally gave it time and things seemed to complete successfully. I also had difficulty with the default 1280x1024 screen settings until I tried the oddly-labeled F2 options. Haven't worked a lot with the Star Office yet. >3. As installed on a network it installs with DHCP without asking you >whether you want a static ip. At least I did not find the static ip >option. And once it is up I can't really find how to switch to a >static ip. That's in the installer screen where it tells how it's going to install things like partitions and networking. Click on the Change... button at the bottom and select Network. You get the full complement of IP setup options. I installed with static IP this way. Post-install I'd check /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-eth0. The GUI way is Launch: Preferences: System: Hardware: Network Card. Change the detected card in the bottom panel. >6. On the good side it installs easily and has a lot of the feel of >windows or is the latter the bad side. I find it attractive but there are more configuration questions than a typical WinXP desktop install. I think a standard user would need some hand-holding to get through it. Anyone with *nix install experience (or a Windows server admin) should be able to complete it successfully. On this old box it's often slow to the point of frustration. I'll have more to say after putting it on a better box. --Don From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jun 17 23:15:05 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Jun 17 22:01:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Solaris architecture 32/64 In-Reply-To: <1087403141.2775.0.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> Message-ID: <000301c454e2$7766bba0$0301a8c0@smudgepot> Miguel A. Figueroa wrote: >Quick google search produced this: >http://www.harmanresearch.com/solaris/#HowCanwetellSolarisOSisrunning32 bitor64bit >Miguel The page at that URL also recommends: quote Move all files from one directory to another using tar pipe from directory /var mkdir /var1 cd /var tar cf - . | (cd /var1 && tar xBf -) unquote which seems pretty messy... a better solution might be: quote cd /; mkdir var1; cd var; tar clf - * | (umask 0; cd /var1; tar xvf -) unquote Al Castanoli | afcasta@texas.net From dubose at texas.net Thu Jun 17 23:18:30 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Thu Jun 17 22:03:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WET11 Message-ID: <40D25F06.B50F3097@texas.net> I have lost my WET11 setup CD and LinkSys won't give or sell me another one. If any one has one and can make a copy, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Walt From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jun 17 23:26:44 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Jun 17 22:13:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: lessons on tar.gz files In-Reply-To: <20040616204251.1424617d@malaga.home> Message-ID: <000001c454e4$17e11480$0301a8c0@smudgepot> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:03:05 -0500 "H. Streit" wrote: > I would also like to raise the question as to the contents of the > ?.tar.gz in question. Have you downloaded a source tarball or a > binary tarball? There's quite a bit of difference between installing > the two... While the standards for open source installs would be along the lines of # tar xzvf foo.tar.gz # cd foo # ls [ Read the INSTALL and/or README files for directions... usually something like: #./configure; make; make install ] but in the case of Oracle 10g Applications Server for Linux, you get cpio.gz files to deal with, which you gunzip then pipe to a cpio command to unpack. No, I am not claiming Oracle is open source, but be prepared for other standards. Al Castanoli | afcasta@texas.net "That's what I love about standards - there are so many different ones to choose from." From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Jun 18 00:23:44 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 17 23:10:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WET11 In-Reply-To: <40D25F06.B50F3097@texas.net> References: <40D25F06.B50F3097@texas.net> Message-ID: <1087532627.1196.98.camel@laptop> I wish you had said something YESTERDAY Walt. I returned a stack of them to a customer. I'd worked on his network and he has a number of those WETs. Let me know if you can't track one down. I'll swing by his place sometime and make a copy of one of his. Chuck On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 22:18, Walt DuBose wrote: > I have lost my WET11 setup CD and LinkSys won't give or sell me another > one. > > If any one has one and can make a copy, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From indigotwilight at softhome.net Fri Jun 18 01:04:11 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Fri Jun 18 00:50:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OT: Solaris architecture 32/64 In-Reply-To: <000301c454e2$7766bba0$0301a8c0@smudgepot> References: <000301c454e2$7766bba0$0301a8c0@smudgepot> Message-ID: > The page at that URL also recommends: > > quote > > Move all files from one directory to another using tar pipe > from directory /var > > mkdir /var1 > > cd /var > > tar cf - . | (cd /var1 && tar xBf -) > > unquote > > which seems pretty messy... a better solution might be: > > quote > > cd /; mkdir var1; cd var; tar clf - * | (umask 0; cd /var1; tar xvf -) > > unquote Actually, what's messy depends on your point of view. ;-) The original solution seems a lot more compact and by my definition of "messy" it is a lot less messy since less stuff is going on. Also, in the solution you provide, you are only using semicolons to separate the commands. If one command fails, the following commands will still execute. This can result in some unexpected and unintended results. It's safer to use && between the commands so that if one fails, the rest will not be executed. Not using && when you're supposed to also falls into my definition of messy, but what's considered messy is in the eye of the beholder. -Mike W. From indigotwilight at softhome.net Fri Jun 18 11:09:46 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Fri Jun 18 11:00:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problem opening file in OO Calc Message-ID: Maybe there's an OO expert out there, or maybe someone who knows more than me. I have a text file which is a table of data where the fields are delimited by spaces. However, when I go to File -> Open and choose the file in OO Calc, OO decides that it knows better than I do and opens the file in OO Writer instead. Is there a way to force the the file to open in OO Calc and automatically fill out the spreadsheet? -Mike W. From sasimpson at gmail.com Fri Jun 18 12:24:07 2004 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Fri Jun 18 11:10:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problem opening file in OO Calc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: perhaps there is an Import under the File menu? On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:09:46 -0600, indigotwilight@softhome.net wrote: > > Maybe there's an OO expert out there, or maybe someone who knows more than > me. I have a text file which is a table of data where the fields are > delimited by spaces. However, when I go to File -> Open and choose the file > in OO Calc, OO decides that it knows better than I do and opens the file in > OO Writer instead. Is there a way to force the the file to open in OO Calc > and automatically fill out the spreadsheet? > > -Mike W. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com From indigotwilight at softhome.net Fri Jun 18 11:47:40 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Fri Jun 18 11:38:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Problem opening file in OO Calc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > perhaps there is an Import under the File menu? Nope. That's why I'm asking the question. -Mike W. From gboswell at accd.edu Fri Jun 18 13:31:43 2004 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Fri Jun 18 12:18:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] re:Open .pdf frame in new page Message-ID: <40D326FF.6000903@accd.edu> > > >Help I'm having a Senior moment. Before I did a re-install (Redhat 9.0) >my browser (Mozilla) would allow me to open pdf links in a new frame >page (Mozilla pop-up)with xpdf. Now when I try it I get a xpdf pop-up >that offers a cache but doesn't open in a new window. My web pages were >on another site (sol.sac.accd.edu) so it is not the web page with the >link to a pdf that is in error. What did I lose or forget to add to >Mozilla (straight 9.0 install version) or the xpdf program. > Duh, my problem was the helper applications set. Sorry for the post. -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jun 18 14:10:36 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Jun 18 12:56:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New LUG in Victoria Message-ID: Can we get an official SATLUG welcome to our new neighbors, the Victoria Linux Enthusiasts? Here's the announcement as seen in Linux Today. --Don ---- Anyone near Victoria, Texas please check out our new web site www.vle.org. We had our first LUG meeting last month, it was well attended. If you are in driving distance from Victoria (Austin, Houston, San Antonio, Corpus Christi) please join us. Meeting location and times are available on our website. Thanks Joel Sager - Victoria Linux Enthusiast From country at the-cia.net Fri Jun 18 14:34:25 2004 From: country at the-cia.net (country) Date: Fri Jun 18 13:13:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New LUG in Victoria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D335B1.1010000@the-cia.net> Now I sit between two LUG's grin.... SA and Victoria, each is approx the same distance... HMMMMMMM Glenn T. Don Wright wrote: >Can we get an official SATLUG welcome to our new neighbors, the >Victoria Linux Enthusiasts? Here's the announcement as seen in Linux >Today. --Don > >---- >Anyone near Victoria, Texas please check out our new web site >www.vle.org. We had our first LUG meeting last month, it was well >attended. If you are in driving distance from Victoria (Austin, >Houston, San Antonio, Corpus Christi) please join us. Meeting location >and times are available on our website. > >Thanks > >Joel Sager - Victoria Linux Enthusiast > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From erich at thinkspark.com Fri Jun 18 14:46:35 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Fri Jun 18 13:36:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Problem opening file in OO Calc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087584394.29039.2.camel@localhost> Mike, Rename your file so that it has a txt or csv extension, then start OOCalc and do a File->Open.., select the file, and under file type, select "Text CSV". You should then get the little data import wizard where you can specify your field delimiter and such. Hope this helps, Eric Hobbs On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 11:09, indigotwilight@softhome.net wrote: > Maybe there's an OO expert out there, or maybe someone who knows more than > me. I have a text file which is a table of data where the fields are > delimited by spaces. However, when I go to File -> Open and choose the file > in OO Calc, OO decides that it knows better than I do and opens the file in > OO Writer instead. Is there a way to force the the file to open in OO Calc > and automatically fill out the spreadsheet? > > -Mike W. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > From indigotwilight at softhome.net Fri Jun 18 14:48:47 2004 From: indigotwilight at softhome.net (indigotwilight@softhome.net) Date: Fri Jun 18 14:43:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Problem opening file in OO Calc In-Reply-To: <1087584394.29039.2.camel@localhost> References: <1087584394.29039.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > Mike, > > Rename your file so that it has a txt or csv extension, then start > OOCalc and do a File->Open.., select the file, and under file type, > select "Text CSV". This was the trick I was missing. My files already had a txt extension, but I was just double-clicking the file without selecting a specific file type. I didn't even realize there was a "Text CSV" option in the file type list until now. Once I chose "Text CSV," the import wizard came up as it should. It still seems a little odd to me that since I was in Calc already that OO wouldn't first try to open in the file in Calc. Anyway, now I know, and knowing is half the battle. -Mike W. From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Jun 18 19:54:17 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Jun 18 18:40:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! Message-ID: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> Hey guys, I'm going out to San Antonio International in a little while. Gonna go grab some air time just for the fun of it. The wife is a little pooped out and doesn't want to go. So, I've got some empty seats if anyone is interested. Won't be long, won't be doing any aerobatics, and will be coming back to SA (not somewhere else). So, if anyone is interested, call me on my cell 380-7604. Departing soon.... Chuck From doug at clickdoug.com Fri Jun 18 21:03:29 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Fri Jun 18 19:50:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! References: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <005601c45599$3be11320$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Lots of dusty haze today :-) ====================================== Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "SATLUG" Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 6:54 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! : Hey guys, : : I'm going out to San Antonio International in a little while. Gonna go : grab some air time just for the fun of it. The wife is a little pooped : out and doesn't want to go. So, I've got some empty seats if anyone is : interested. Won't be long, won't be doing any aerobatics, and will be : coming back to SA (not somewhere else). : : So, if anyone is interested, call me on my cell 380-7604. Departing : soon.... : : : : Chuck : : : : : _______________________________________________ : Satlug mailing list : Satlug@satlug.org : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : : From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Jun 18 23:54:48 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Jun 18 22:41:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! In-Reply-To: <005601c45599$3be11320$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> References: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> <005601c45599$3be11320$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Message-ID: <1087617289.2642.110.camel@laptop> NO KIDDING!!! We were coming in from Castroville and couldn't see SA International until we were about four miles from it. Normally, you can see the lights from way out by Castroville -- about 20 miles away. But not tonight. It was dusty/hazy on the way out while still daylight too. Turned the sky into a brown/grey haze that looked terrible (looked sorta like L.A.). But we had a good time anyway. Took Mike from the list and his father. Saw some fireworks on the way back too. Up near the NW side of town just after full dark. Looked cool from up in the air. Anybody know what/who was celebrating this evening???? Chuck On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 20:03, Doug White wrote: > Lots of dusty haze today :-) > > ====================================== > Our Anti-spam solution works!! > http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 > ====================================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck" > To: "SATLUG" > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 6:54 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! > > > : Hey guys, > : > : I'm going out to San Antonio International in a little while. Gonna go > : grab some air time just for the fun of it. The wife is a little pooped > : out and doesn't want to go. So, I've got some empty seats if anyone is > : interested. Won't be long, won't be doing any aerobatics, and will be > : coming back to SA (not somewhere else). > : > : So, if anyone is interested, call me on my cell 380-7604. Departing > : soon.... > : > : > : > : Chuck > : > : > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : Satlug mailing list > : Satlug@satlug.org > : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > : > : > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From bdubbs at swbell.net Sat Jun 19 00:11:11 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jun 18 22:57:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! In-Reply-To: <1087617289.2642.110.camel@laptop> References: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> <005601c45599$3be11320$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> <1087617289.2642.110.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <40D3BCDF.9060906@swbell.net> Chuck wrote: >But we had a good time anyway. Took Mike from the list and his father. >Saw some fireworks on the way back too. Up near the NW side of town >just after full dark. Looked cool from up in the air. Anybody know >what/who was celebrating this evening???? > > Sea World or Fiesta Texas. -- Bruce From spammer at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 19 01:30:54 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Sat Jun 19 00:17:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! In-Reply-To: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> References: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200406190030.54945.spammer@satx.rr.com> On Friday 18 June 2004 6:54 pm, Chuck wrote: Those werent fire works,, that was me blowing up P.C.'s from work!!!! I need more symtex, can anyone help me out for a few lbs?? >From this day To the ending of the world We in it shall be remembered We lucky few We merry Band of Brothers For he who sheds his blood with me this day Shall be my brother. Henry V Nick Duffy > Hey guys, > > I'm going out to San Antonio International in a little while. Gonna go > grab some air time just for the fun of it. The wife is a little pooped > out and doesn't want to go. So, I've got some empty seats if anyone is > interested. Won't be long, won't be doing any aerobatics, and will be > coming back to SA (not somewhere else). > > So, if anyone is interested, call me on my cell 380-7604. Departing > soon.... > > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Jun 19 10:45:45 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Jun 19 09:32:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Kevin Mitnick Message-ID: <1338.66.69.86.170.1087656345.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> In case anybody missed it, last night's Coast to Coast AM with George Norey had Kevin Mitnick on for the first 2 hours. I've got MP3 recordings so if anyone wants them, let me know. The first two hours of Friday's show featured reformed hacker and computer security expert Kevin Mitnick. He fielded calls from listeners and discussed this week's distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack, which temporarily interrupted service to several popular web sites including Apple, Google, Microsoft and Yahoo. He also mentioned the new cell phone virus Cabir, and related a story about hackers he knew who were able to steal address book and other data from a certain manufacturer's cell phone. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From satlug at vinny.us Sat Jun 19 15:45:12 2004 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny) Date: Sat Jun 19 14:34:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Kevin Mitnick References: <1338.66.69.86.170.1087656345.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <40D497C8.1020600@vinny.us> FYI.. Kevin will be speaking at the Pennsylvania Hotel in New York Friday, July 9th - Sunday, July 11th. It's called the Fifth Hope http://www.hope.net Jeremy Mann wrote: > In case anybody missed it, last night's Coast to Coast AM with George > Norey had Kevin Mitnick on for the first 2 hours. I've got MP3 recordings > so if anyone wants them, let me know. > > The first two hours of Friday's show featured reformed hacker and computer > security expert Kevin Mitnick. He fielded calls from listeners and > discussed this week's distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack, which > temporarily interrupted service to several popular web sites including > Apple, Google, Microsoft and Yahoo. He also mentioned the new cell phone > virus Cabir, and related a story about hackers he knew who were able to > steal address book and other data from a certain manufacturer's cell > phone. > > From me at jchampion.com Sun Jun 20 10:47:41 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun Jun 20 09:35:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! References: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> <005601c45599$3be11320$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> <1087617289.2642.110.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <003a01c456d5$8be28ec0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> you can thank saudi arabia for the haze...it's dust from the saudi desert. at least that's what one meteorologist tells me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! > NO KIDDING!!! > > We were coming in from Castroville and couldn't see SA International > until we were about four miles from it. Normally, you can see the > lights from way out by Castroville -- about 20 miles away. But not > tonight. > > It was dusty/hazy on the way out while still daylight too. Turned the > sky into a brown/grey haze that looked terrible (looked sorta like > L.A.). > > But we had a good time anyway. Took Mike from the list and his father. > Saw some fireworks on the way back too. Up near the NW side of town > just after full dark. Looked cool from up in the air. Anybody know > what/who was celebrating this evening???? > > > Chuck > > > > On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 20:03, Doug White wrote: > > Lots of dusty haze today :-) > > > > ====================================== > > Our Anti-spam solution works!! > > http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > > http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 > > ====================================== > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chuck" > > To: "SATLUG" > > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 6:54 PM > > Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! > > > > > > : Hey guys, > > : > > : I'm going out to San Antonio International in a little while. Gonna go > > : grab some air time just for the fun of it. The wife is a little pooped > > : out and doesn't want to go. So, I've got some empty seats if anyone is > > : interested. Won't be long, won't be doing any aerobatics, and will be > > : coming back to SA (not somewhere else). > > : > > : So, if anyone is interested, call me on my cell 380-7604. Departing > > : soon.... > > : > > : > > : > > : Chuck > > : > > : > > : > > : > > : _______________________________________________ > > : Satlug mailing list > > : Satlug@satlug.org > > : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > : > > : > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 6/16/2004 From slacker at satx.rr.com Sun Jun 20 13:53:28 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Sun Jun 20 12:35:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Spam Message-ID: <20040620125328.11a2153c@malaga.home> Has anyone else noticed the mailing list is getting spammed with the usual viagra ads? Or maybe it's just me and I didn't pay attention to the "to" address. -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Sun Jun 20 14:14:53 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Sun Jun 20 13:08:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Spam In-Reply-To: <20040620125328.11a2153c@malaga.home> (Paul S. Bains's message of "Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:53:28 -0500") References: <20040620125328.11a2153c@malaga.home> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, "Paul S. Bains" said: > Has anyone else noticed the mailing list is getting spammed with the > usual viagra ads? Or maybe it's just me and I didn't pay attention to > the "to" address. I don't know if it's being sent directly to the list this time, but I've had an increase in spam being sent directly to the address I use for subscribing to the list because the list archives are publicly available on the net and are being harvested for addresses by spammers. -- Ted Rathkopf From erich at thinkspark.com Mon Jun 21 09:09:02 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Mon Jun 21 07:58:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail Invite Message-ID: <1087823342.30450.4.camel@localhost> Greetings, Gmail invites aren't really all that rare anymore, but in a microscopic way to give back to the SATLUG community, I'm offering up one Gmail invite to the first person who e-mails me and asks for it! So, let the e-mailing commence! Thanks Everyone, Eric Hobbs ThinkSpark From erich at thinkspark.com Mon Jun 21 09:32:21 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Mon Jun 21 08:22:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL In-Reply-To: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> Message-ID: <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:22, Greg Willden wrote: > I'll take it > Greg > > We have a winner! Stay tuned for your invite, Greg. Thanks, Eric Hobbs ThinkSpark From doug at clickdoug.com Mon Jun 21 11:35:01 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Mon Jun 21 10:22:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <0ae001c457a5$51997b90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> I have one to spare as well, ====================================== Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hobbs" To: "Greg Willden" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL : On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:22, Greg Willden wrote: : > I'll take it : > Greg : > : > : : We have a winner! Stay tuned for your invite, Greg. : : Thanks, : : Eric Hobbs : ThinkSpark : : _______________________________________________ : Satlug mailing list : Satlug@satlug.org : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : : From mjordan at iphysh.com Mon Jun 21 11:43:28 2004 From: mjordan at iphysh.com (Martin) Date: Mon Jun 21 10:29:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> <0ae001c457a5$51997b90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Message-ID: <000701c457a6$805db8f0$cffea8c0@Enigma> Can I have it? Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug White" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL > I have one to spare as well, > > ====================================== > Our Anti-spam solution works!! > http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 > ====================================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Hobbs" > To: "Greg Willden" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:32 AM > Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL > > > : On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:22, Greg Willden wrote: > : > I'll take it > : > Greg > : > > : > > : > : We have a winner! Stay tuned for your invite, Greg. > : > : Thanks, > : > : Eric Hobbs > : ThinkSpark > : > : _______________________________________________ > : Satlug mailing list > : Satlug@satlug.org > : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > : > : > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From doug at clickdoug.com Mon Jun 21 12:06:30 2004 From: doug at clickdoug.com (Doug White) Date: Mon Jun 21 10:53:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost><0ae001c457a5$51997b90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> <000701c457a6$805db8f0$cffea8c0@Enigma> Message-ID: <0bb501c457a9$b6fadd40$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Sent direct - ====================================== Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL : Can I have it? : : Martin : : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Doug White" : To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" : Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:35 AM : Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL : : : > I have one to spare as well, : > : > ====================================== : > Our Anti-spam solution works!! : > http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm : > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com : > http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 : > ====================================== : > : > : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Eric Hobbs" : > To: "Greg Willden" : > Cc: : > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:32 AM : > Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL : > : > : > : On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:22, Greg Willden wrote: : > : > I'll take it : > : > Greg : > : > : > : > : > : : > : We have a winner! Stay tuned for your invite, Greg. : > : : > : Thanks, : > : : > : Eric Hobbs : > : ThinkSpark : > : : > : _______________________________________________ : > : Satlug mailing list : > : Satlug@satlug.org : > : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : > : : > : : > _______________________________________________ : > Satlug mailing list : > Satlug@satlug.org : > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : _______________________________________________ : Satlug mailing list : Satlug@satlug.org : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug : : From sasimpson at gmail.com Mon Jun 21 12:49:23 2004 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Mon Jun 21 11:35:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL In-Reply-To: <0bb501c457a9$b6fadd40$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost><0ae001c457a5$51997b90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> <0bb501c457a9$b6fadd40$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Message-ID: i love my gmail account, i've switched my satlug to it and it filters like 95% of the spam i get out too. here is the invite message my friend sent me, because the google one was "boring": "Yo, peep this. G-mail is off the hook, my nizzle. One whole gigabizzle of email." On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:06:30 -0500, Doug White wrote: > > Sent direct - > > ====================================== > Our Anti-spam solution works!! > http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 > ====================================== > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL > > : Can I have it? > : > : Martin > : > : > : ----- Original Message ----- > : From: "Doug White" > : To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > : Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:35 AM > : Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL > : > : > : > I have one to spare as well, > : > > : > ====================================== > : > Our Anti-spam solution works!! > : > http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm > : > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > : > http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 > : > ====================================== > : > > : > > : > ----- Original Message ----- > : > From: "Eric Hobbs" > : > To: "Greg Willden" > : > Cc: > : > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:32 AM > : > Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL > : > > : > > : > : On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:22, Greg Willden wrote: > : > : > I'll take it > : > : > Greg > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > : > : We have a winner! Stay tuned for your invite, Greg. > : > : > : > : Thanks, > : > : > : > : Eric Hobbs > : > : ThinkSpark > : > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : > : Satlug mailing list > : > : Satlug@satlug.org > : > : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > : > : > : > : > : > _______________________________________________ > : > Satlug mailing list > : > Satlug@satlug.org > : > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > : _______________________________________________ > : Satlug mailing list > : Satlug@satlug.org > : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > : > : > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com From hstreit at swri.edu Mon Jun 21 13:20:22 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Mon Jun 21 12:06:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL In-Reply-To: <0ae001c457a5$51997b90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> <0ae001c457a5$51997b90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Message-ID: <40D718D6.2060701@swri.edu> Yo! I've been wanting to find out what all the fuss is about. :) Doug White wrote: > I have one to spare as well, > > ====================================== > Our Anti-spam solution works!! > http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 > ====================================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Hobbs" > To: "Greg Willden" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:32 AM > Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL > > > : On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:22, Greg Willden wrote: > : > I'll take it > : > Greg > : > > : > > : > : We have a winner! Stay tuned for your invite, Greg. > : > : Thanks, > : > : Eric Hobbs > : ThinkSpark > : > : _______________________________________________ > : Satlug mailing list > : Satlug@satlug.org > : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > : > : > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From hstreit at swri.edu Mon Jun 21 13:52:10 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Mon Jun 21 12:38:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL In-Reply-To: <40D718D6.2060701@swri.edu> References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> <0ae001c457a5$51997b90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> <40D718D6.2060701@swri.edu> Message-ID: <40D7204A.5010708@swri.edu> Damn, too slow... H. Streit wrote: > Yo! I've been wanting to find out what all the fuss is about. > :) > > Doug White wrote: > >> I have one to spare as well, >> >> ====================================== >> Our Anti-spam solution works!! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm >> For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >> http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=1069 >> ====================================== >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hobbs" >> To: "Greg Willden" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:32 AM >> Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL >> >> >> : On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:22, Greg Willden wrote: >> : > I'll take it >> : > Greg >> : > : > : : We have a winner! Stay tuned for your invite, Greg. >> : : Thanks, >> : : Eric Hobbs >> : ThinkSpark >> : : _______________________________________________ >> : Satlug mailing list >> : Satlug@satlug.org >> : http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> : : _______________________________________________ >> Satlug mailing list >> Satlug@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Jun 21 13:54:04 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Mon Jun 21 12:40:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> <0ae001c457a5$51997b90$2a5b8b42@clickdoug.com> Message-ID: <002001c457b8$bea80d60$6601a8c0@camerontech.com> I know I am going to regret asking this... What is GMAIL? From darron at stic.net Mon Jun 21 13:56:47 2004 From: darron at stic.net (Darron) Date: Mon Jun 21 12:42:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL Message-ID: <011201c457b9$1f38a9f0$6e00c6d8@noc> http://gmail.google.com From sasimpson at gmail.com Mon Jun 21 14:53:07 2004 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Mon Jun 21 13:39:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL In-Reply-To: <40D7204A.5010708@swri.edu> References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> <40D718D6.2060701@swri.edu> <40D7204A.5010708@swri.edu> Message-ID: it is google's email service like hotmail and yahoo, except it is much better :D On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:52:10 -0500, H. Streit wrote: > > Damn, too slow... > > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Mon Jun 21 15:30:25 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jun 21 14:17:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL In-Reply-To: References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> <40D718D6.2060701@swri.edu> <40D7204A.5010708@swri.edu> Message-ID: <1087846224.7296.27.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> I have four gmail invitations left - if ya want one send me an email off-list. On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 13:53, Scott Simpson wrote: > it is google's email service like hotmail and yahoo, except it is much better :D > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:52:10 -0500, H. Streit wrote: > > > > Damn, too slow... > > > > -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From drice at mail.utexas.edu Mon Jun 21 15:59:34 2004 From: drice at mail.utexas.edu (David A. Rice) Date: Mon Jun 21 14:45:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL In-Reply-To: <1087846224.7296.27.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> <40D718D6.2060701@swri.edu> <40D7204A.5010708@swri.edu> <1087846224.7296.27.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <1087847974.40d73e26d0c6d@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> Could I have one? Thanks, David ----------------------------- David A. Rice drice@acme-labs.org http://www.acme-labs.org http://www.davidarice.com Quoting Sean Carolan : > I have four gmail invitations left - if ya want one send me an email > off-list. > > > > > On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 13:53, Scott Simpson wrote: > > it is google's email service like hotmail and yahoo, except it is much > better :D > > > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:52:10 -0500, H. Streit wrote: > > > > > > Damn, too slow... > > > > > > > -- > Medical Resource USA > 1330 West Blanco > San Antonio, TX 78260 > Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 > Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 > Fax: (210)281-9604 > web: www.medicalresourceusa.com > email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Mon Jun 21 16:03:55 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jun 21 14:49:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! Message-ID: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> I have given out all four of the Gmail invites that I had available (boy you guys are fast). If they give me any more to give away, I will let you know. Here's a hint - each of you who got a gmail account now should have three invitations to give away. So there are 12 more invites that i know of that might be available if you ask the right people. thanks Sean -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From drice at mail.utexas.edu Mon Jun 21 16:11:26 2004 From: drice at mail.utexas.edu (David A. Rice) Date: Mon Jun 21 14:57:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! In-Reply-To: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <1087848686.40d740eea1442@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> Any of those "new guys" willing to part w/ an invite? :-D Thanks, David ----------------------------- David A. Rice drice@acme-labs.org http://www.acme-labs.org http://www.davidarice.com Quoting Sean Carolan : > I have given out all four of the Gmail invites that I had available (boy > you guys are fast). > > If they give me any more to give away, I will let you know. > > Here's a hint - each of you who got a gmail account now should have > three invitations to give away. So there are 12 more invites that i > know of that might be available if you ask the right people. > > thanks > > Sean > > > -- > Medical Resource USA > 1330 West Blanco > San Antonio, TX 78260 > Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 > Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 > Fax: (210)281-9604 > web: www.medicalresourceusa.com > email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Mon Jun 21 16:30:08 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jun 21 15:16:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! In-Reply-To: <1087848686.40d740eea1442@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1087848686.40d740eea1442@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <1087849808.7296.65.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> I posted in my last email that the "new guys" would all have three invites to give away - however that may not be true. I got 3 invites when I started, then I gave away two and google gave me two more. However I"m not sure they are doing that with ALL new accounts. I would suggest that you log in today, and check again tomorrow. If you have gmail invites there will be a note at the top of the page that says "Invite a friend to gmail" On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 15:11, David A. Rice wrote: > Any of those "new guys" willing to part w/ an invite? :-D > > Thanks, > David > > ----------------------------- > David A. Rice > drice@acme-labs.org > http://www.acme-labs.org > http://www.davidarice.com > > > Quoting Sean Carolan : > > > I have given out all four of the Gmail invites that I had available (boy > > you guys are fast). > > > > If they give me any more to give away, I will let you know. > > > > Here's a hint - each of you who got a gmail account now should have > > three invitations to give away. So there are 12 more invites that i > > know of that might be available if you ask the right people. > > > > thanks > > > > Sean > > > > > > -- > > Medical Resource USA > > 1330 West Blanco > > San Antonio, TX 78260 > > Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 > > Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 > > Fax: (210)281-9604 > > web: www.medicalresourceusa.com > > email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From mayonakaha at vashir.com Mon Jun 21 15:39:30 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (MayonakaHa) Date: Mon Jun 21 15:25:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! References: <1087850363.10F6BE44@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <1087850375.2AFF77E7@r31.dngr.org> I'd like to know too heheh I've been itching to check out gmail since it was announced. Mike D. On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 2:18pm, David A. Rice wrote: > Any of those "new guys" willing to part w/ an invite? :-D > > Thanks, > David > > ----------------------------- > David A. Rice > drice@acme-labs.org > http://www.acme-labs.org > http://www.davidarice.com > > > Quoting Sean Carolan : > >> I have given out all four of the Gmail invites that I had available >> (boy >> you guys are fast). >> >> If they give me any more to give away, I will let you know. >> >> Here's a hint - each of you who got a gmail account now should have >> three invitations to give away. So there are 12 more invites that i >> know of that might be available if you ask the right people. >> >> thanks >> >> Sean >> >> >> -- >> Medical Resource USA >> 1330 West Blanco >> San Antonio, TX 78260 >> Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 >> Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 >> Fax: (210)281-9604 >> web: www.medicalresourceusa.com >> email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Satlug mailing list >> Satlug@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug This message sent via Danger Hiptop (www.danger.com) From snafu at urdirect.net Mon Jun 21 16:45:17 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn_Home) Date: Mon Jun 21 15:30:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HP print drivers Message-ID: <40D748DD.1010206@urdirect.net> I have been farting around with linux for over a year. However, most of that time was on a machine without a printer. So, although I have graduated beyond the newbie stage for installing distros, software, admin tasks, etc. I don't really know much about printing under linux. I have replaced my win2k machine with a newly assembled box that I recently installed fedora core 2 on. Its been great so far. I have a HP deskjet 5550 hooked up to it. I am not at my linux box now, so I'll try to remember what I did. I went into some kind of Printer option from the main menu, and then selected the default printer, and selected Import PPD file (I had previously downloaded the hpijs PPD file). My printer prints great. However, I am dissapointed in the options presented to me when I select Print.... (as in there aren't really any options) Under winblows, I had several print qualities to choose from. I normally printed the lowest quality (Fast Draft) especially for crap from the web. Also, I had other options, such as 2-sided printing. Under linux, those options are not available. Is there something I need to do to install a good HP driver? thanks, Donn From sasimpson at gmail.com Mon Jun 21 16:45:02 2004 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Mon Jun 21 15:31:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! In-Reply-To: <1087850375.2AFF77E7@r31.dngr.org> References: <1087850363.10F6BE44@s5.dngr.org> <1087850375.2AFF77E7@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: yeah i was invited last week sometime, i don't have any "invites". there probably is a wait period for the new people. On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:39:30 -0600, MayonakaHa wrote: > > I'd like to know too heheh > I've been itching to check out gmail since it was announced. > > Mike D. > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 2:18pm, David A. Rice wrote: > > Any of those "new guys" willing to part w/ an invite? :-D > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > ----------------------------- > > David A. Rice > > drice@acme-labs.org > > http://www.acme-labs.org > > http://www.davidarice.com > > > > > > Quoting Sean Carolan : > > > >> I have given out all four of the Gmail invites that I had available > >> (boy > >> you guys are fast). > >> > >> If they give me any more to give away, I will let you know. > >> > >> Here's a hint - each of you who got a gmail account now should have > >> three invitations to give away. So there are 12 more invites that i > >> know of that might be available if you ask the right people. > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Medical Resource USA > >> 1330 West Blanco > >> San Antonio, TX 78260 > >> Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 > >> Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 > >> Fax: (210)281-9604 > >> web: www.medicalresourceusa.com > >> email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Satlug mailing list > >> Satlug@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > This message sent via Danger Hiptop (www.danger.com) > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 21 17:52:18 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Jun 21 16:38:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Kevin Mitnick mp3s Message-ID: <33285.129.111.62.130.1087854738.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I've posted these on my website for you guys/gals to download. Get them here: http://mann.uthscsa.edu/music/ Go in the Coast to Coast directory. I doubt anybody would be interested in the last 2 hours, so I have only posted the first 2 with Kevin. Its a very, very interesting discussion. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Mon Jun 21 18:03:00 2004 From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck) Date: Mon Jun 21 16:49:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Kevin Mitnick mp3s In-Reply-To: <33285.129.111.62.130.1087854738.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <33285.129.111.62.130.1087854738.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1087855379.22723.0.camel@main.dragon-designs.net> thanks On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 16:52, Jeremy Mann wrote: > I've posted these on my website for you guys/gals to download. Get them here: > > http://mann.uthscsa.edu/music/ > > Go in the Coast to Coast directory. I doubt anybody would be interested in > the last 2 hours, so I have only posted the first 2 with Kevin. Its a > very, very interesting discussion. -- Timothy Beck From slacker at satx.rr.com Mon Jun 21 18:29:14 2004 From: slacker at satx.rr.com (Paul S. Bains) Date: Mon Jun 21 17:11:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HP print drivers In-Reply-To: <40D748DD.1010206@urdirect.net> References: <40D748DD.1010206@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <20040621172914.69e45742@malaga.home> I would check out this site for help - http://www.linuxprinting.org/ The advice is good, and I looked up your printer - it is supported by the hpijs driver. Click on the "CUPS quickstart" link on the main page to start, then start reading! I went straight into the printer database to see if your printer is supported, and it is. You don't have to use CUPS to print, but I do and it's easy. Good luck! Paul On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:45:17 -0500 Donn_Home wrote: > I have been farting around with linux for over a year. However, most > of that time was on a machine without a printer. So, although I have > graduated beyond the newbie stage for installing distros, software, > admin tasks, etc. I don't really know much about printing under > linux. > > I have replaced my win2k machine with a newly assembled box that I > recently installed fedora core 2 on. Its been great so far. I have a > HP deskjet 5550 hooked up to it. I am not at my linux box now, so > I'll try to remember what I did. I went into some kind of Printer > option from the main menu, and then selected the default printer, and > selected Import PPD file (I had previously downloaded the hpijs PPD > file). My printer prints great. However, I am dissapointed in the > options presented to me when I select Print.... > (as in there aren't really any options) > > Under winblows, I had several print qualities to choose from. I > normally printed the lowest quality (Fast Draft) especially for crap > from the web. Also, I had other options, such as 2-sided printing. > Under linux, those options are not available. > > Is there something I need to do to install a good HP driver? > > thanks, > Donn > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Linuxcult - are you geek enough? http://www.linuxcult.com/ From pac at fortuitous.com Mon Jun 21 20:18:25 2004 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Mon Jun 21 19:04:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: GMAIL In-Reply-To: <1087846224.7296.27.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <40D6E131.5050506@swri.org> <1087824741.30457.7.camel@localhost> <40D718D6.2060701@swri.edu> <40D7204A.5010708@swri.edu> <1087846224.7296.27.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040622001825.GA14334@mail.fortuitous.com> On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 02:30:25PM -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > I have four gmail invitations left - if ya want one send me an email > off-list. Sean, Do you still have an invite left? -Phil .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Jun 21 20:23:28 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Mon Jun 21 19:09:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! References: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <002001c457ef$24a5ea70$6601a8c0@camerontech.com> I am very interested if anyone gets a spare invite they wanna send. Thanks, Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Carolan" To: Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:03 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! > I have given out all four of the Gmail invites that I had available (boy > you guys are fast). > > If they give me any more to give away, I will let you know. > > Here's a hint - each of you who got a gmail account now should have > three invitations to give away. So there are 12 more invites that i > know of that might be available if you ask the right people. > > thanks > > Sean From me at jchampion.com Mon Jun 21 20:41:09 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Mon Jun 21 19:27:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! References: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1087848686.40d740eea1442@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> <1087849808.7296.65.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <003b01c457f1$9e32a2f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> it will take a week or so before they get to invitation status. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Carolan" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! > I posted in my last email that the "new guys" would all have three > invites to give away - however that may not be true. I got 3 invites > when I started, then I gave away two and google gave me two more. > > However I"m not sure they are doing that with ALL new accounts. I would > suggest that you log in today, and check again tomorrow. If you have > gmail invites there will be a note at the top of the page that says > "Invite a friend to gmail" > > > > On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 15:11, David A. Rice wrote: > > Any of those "new guys" willing to part w/ an invite? :-D > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > ----------------------------- > > David A. Rice > > drice@acme-labs.org > > http://www.acme-labs.org > > http://www.davidarice.com > > > > > > Quoting Sean Carolan : > > > > > I have given out all four of the Gmail invites that I had available (boy > > > you guys are fast). > > > > > > If they give me any more to give away, I will let you know. > > > > > > Here's a hint - each of you who got a gmail account now should have > > > three invitations to give away. So there are 12 more invites that i > > > know of that might be available if you ask the right people. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Medical Resource USA > > > 1330 West Blanco > > > San Antonio, TX 78260 > > > Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 > > > Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 > > > Fax: (210)281-9604 > > > web: www.medicalresourceusa.com > > > email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- > Medical Resource USA > 1330 West Blanco > San Antonio, TX 78260 > Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 > Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 > Fax: (210)281-9604 > web: www.medicalresourceusa.com > email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 From chuck at tetlow.net Mon Jun 21 23:02:42 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 21 21:49:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Everyone hear the latest FUDD from M$??? Message-ID: <1087873364.7955.102.camel@laptop> Today's focus: Microsoft says it's faster than Linux on file serving By Phil Hochmuth Microsoft continued turning up the heat on Linux with its "Get The Facts" campaign last week. This time, Microsoft is claiming that Windows 2003 is faster at file and print serving tasks than a Red Hat Linux server, based on a test performed by Veritest. The tests pitted a Windows 2003 Standard Edition server against Red Hat Linux Enterprise Linux ES 3.0 running Samba 3.0 - a software package that allows Linux/Unix servers to host Windows clients. The machines were loaded onto an HP DL380 G3 with two 2.8 GHz Pentium 4 processors, 4G bytes of RAM and an Intel PRO/1000 MT Dual Port Gigabit Server Adapter. Also used was a Dell PowerEdge 500SC server configured with one 1 GHz Pentium III processor, 1G byte of RAM, an onboard Intel 100M bit/sec Ethernet network adapter, and one Intel PRO/100 Fast Ethernet NIC. Microsoft says the results showed that the Windows server performed 46% better than the HP-based Linux box, and 24% better than the Dell Linux server. Microsoft also claims that a software upgrade to Windows 2003, which tweaks how the server writes data to disk under certain high-activity circumstances, boosted file-serving performance on both server boxes by 60% over the Linux servers. While it has been Microsoft policy in past years to dismiss Linux as a minor competitor, the gloves seem to be coming on. Microsoft established its "Get The Facts" Web in January of this year, and has attended the last several LinuxWorld shows promoting itself against Linux. The torrent growth of Linux may be prompting this - Gartner says Linux server revenue was up 57% in the most recent quarter. RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS Read the Microsoft study http://www.nwfusion.com/nllinux382 _______________________________________________________________ From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 22 01:38:34 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 22 00:24:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Everyone hear the latest FUDD from M$??? In-Reply-To: <1087873364.7955.102.camel@laptop> References: <1087873364.7955.102.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 21 Jun 2004 22:02:42 -0500, Chuck wrote: >Today's focus: Microsoft says it's faster than Linux on file >serving In other words, a high-reliability journaling file system installed by anti-Linux people is a bit slower than a stripped-for-speed version of Windows tweaked by the development team. Note how this came out after Linux Gazette[1] (& others) recently benchmarked the relative speeds of the various file systems, so Redmond knew how to get the worst performance. Did they also compare a (default) uniprocessor installation of RedHat to (tweaked) SMP Windows? If it doesn't say, chances are that's part of the FUDDD[2] campaign. [1] http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html [2] Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, & Downright Deception. From tx_kewtie at earthlink.net Tue Jun 22 12:14:59 2004 From: tx_kewtie at earthlink.net (Jesika) Date: Tue Jun 22 11:01:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! In-Reply-To: <003b01c457f1$9e32a2f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> References: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1087848686.40d740eea1442@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> <1087849808.7296.65.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <003b01c457f1$9e32a2f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> Message-ID: <1087920899.652.4.camel@nympho.earthlink.net> I still have a bunch, if anyone still wants one. Reply off list, please. Jesika From h_oudini at hotmail.com Tue Jun 22 18:30:38 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Tue Jun 22 12:16:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card Message-ID: Hey All, I'm still researching the best way to set a PVR and I wanted to know if anybody on the list knew of a PCI card that could be used with TimeWarner digital cable? I don't have any premium channels and I'm not looking to record pay-per-view. I just want to be able to record shows beyond channel 125. Thanks for any help you may have. Kase _________________________________________________________________ MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Tue Jun 22 13:51:13 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 22 12:55:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! References: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1087848686.40d740eea1442@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> <1087849808.7296.65.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <003b01c457f1$9e32a2f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <1087920899.652.4.camel@nympho.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004501c45881$828ef950$6601a8c0@camerontech.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesika" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! > I still have a bunch, if anyone still wants one. Reply off list, > please. > > Jesika I might have one but if it doesn't come through this evening I'm interested. Thanks! TC From msellers at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 22 15:07:12 2004 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Tue Jun 22 13:53:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! In-Reply-To: <1087920899.652.4.camel@nympho.earthlink.net> References: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1087848686.40d740eea1442@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> <1087849808.7296.65.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <003b01c457f1$9e32a2f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <1087920899.652.4.camel@nympho.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40D88360.7060307@sbcglobal.net> I'd like a gmail invite if someone has one to give. Mike Jesika wrote: >I still have a bunch, if anyone still wants one. Reply off list, >please. > >Jesika > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From tx_kewtie at earthlink.net Tue Jun 22 15:09:10 2004 From: tx_kewtie at earthlink.net (Jesika) Date: Tue Jun 22 13:55:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! In-Reply-To: <1087920899.652.4.camel@nympho.earthlink.net> References: <1087848235.7296.43.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <1087848686.40d740eea1442@webmailapp4.cc.utexas.edu> <1087849808.7296.65.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> <003b01c457f1$9e32a2f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <1087920899.652.4.camel@nympho.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1087931349.598.12.camel@nympho.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 11:14, Jesika wrote: > I still have a bunch, if anyone still wants one. Reply off list, > please. Just an update, I'm out of invites, but everyone who asked should be getting one... A friend will be sending out the remainder of them this evening. Jesika From dubose at texas.net Tue Jun 22 15:42:30 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Tue Jun 22 14:27:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! References: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> <1087617289.2642.110.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <40D88BA6.A2474E4E@texas.net> Chuck wrote: > > > But we had a good time anyway. Took Mike from the list and his father. > Saw some fireworks on the way back too. Up near the NW side of town > just after full dark. Looked cool from up in the air. Anybody know > what/who was celebrating this evening???? > Fiesta Texas? Walt From patl at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 22 15:52:13 2004 From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan) Date: Tue Jun 22 14:36:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D88DED.8070509@satx.rr.com> Kase Saylor wrote: > Hey All, > > I'm still researching the best way to set a PVR and I wanted to know > if anybody on the list knew of a PCI card that could be used with > TimeWarner digital cable? I don't have any premium channels and I'm > not looking to record pay-per-view. I just want to be able to record > shows beyond channel 125. Thanks for any help you may have. I have been wondering the same thing recently. I don't have any firsthand knowledge, but there is a entry on slashdot today with a link to a review of the newly released ATI HDTV card. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/22/1449238&mode=thread&tid=129&tid=137&tid=188 From jaret at aberlorn.com Tue Jun 22 16:18:46 2004 From: jaret at aberlorn.com (jaret) Date: Tue Jun 22 15:05:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Penguins CAN Fly !!! In-Reply-To: <40D88BA6.A2474E4E@texas.net> References: <1087602857.2626.105.camel@laptop> <1087617289.2642.110.camel@laptop> <40D88BA6.A2474E4E@texas.net> Message-ID: <40D89426.6000002@aberlorn.com> Fiesta Texas shoots up fireworks between 9:10 and 9:35 every night. (or so it seems) Walt DuBose wrote: >Chuck wrote: > > >>But we had a good time anyway. Took Mike from the list and his father. >>Saw some fireworks on the way back too. Up near the NW side of town >>just after full dark. Looked cool from up in the air. Anybody know >>what/who was celebrating this evening???? >> >> >> > >Fiesta Texas? > >Walt >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Tue Jun 22 17:18:10 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 22 16:04:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Salesforce.com Message-ID: <1087939089.28334.8.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> I had a look at salesforce.com today, it's a CRM (Customer relations management?) system. We like the setup, but we don't like the $65/month/user fee that they charge. Is anyone else aware of a linux based commercial or open source package that will do all the same things? Here are some of the features I liked: * Management of incoming leads * Product and price lists * Case management for customer support * Shared calendar and contact lists * Reports showing leads, closed sales, etc. thanks Sean -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Tue Jun 22 17:50:21 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 22 16:36:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gftp alternative Message-ID: <1087941021.28334.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Hi gang: Coming from the Windoze world, one of the features that I really liked about WSFTP and other ftp clients is that most of them have a feature that can auto-detect what kind of file you are trying to upload, thus making uploading a combination of ASCII and Binary files a breeze. GFTP, on the other hand does not seem to have this feature, so I'm having to upload this website piecemeal, switching between ascii and binary for each directory. Is there any linux FTP client that has this feature? thanks Sean -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From drice at mail.utexas.edu Tue Jun 22 17:51:18 2004 From: drice at mail.utexas.edu (David A. Rice) Date: Tue Jun 22 16:37:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Salesforce.com In-Reply-To: <1087939089.28334.8.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1087939089.28334.8.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <1087941078.40d8a9d68f2cc@webmailapp1.cc.utexas.edu> A quick google returns several possibilities... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=open+source+CRM&spell=1 -Compiere -Anteil -Hipergate -OpenSourceCRM Didn't really look too closely at any of them though... Thanks, David Quoting Sean Carolan : > I had a look at salesforce.com today, it's a CRM (Customer relations > management?) system. We like the setup, but we don't like the > $65/month/user fee that they charge. Is anyone else aware of a linux > based commercial or open source package that will do all the same > things? Here are some of the features I liked: > > * Management of incoming leads > * Product and price lists > * Case management for customer support > * Shared calendar and contact lists > * Reports showing leads, closed sales, etc. > > thanks > > Sean > > -- > Medical Resource USA > 1330 West Blanco > San Antonio, TX 78260 > Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 > Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 > Fax: (210)281-9604 > web: www.medicalresourceusa.com > email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From bdubbs at swbell.net Tue Jun 22 18:07:01 2004 From: bdubbs at swbell.net (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 22 16:53:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gftp alternative In-Reply-To: <1087941021.28334.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1087941021.28334.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40D8AD85.2020604@swbell.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >Hi gang: > >Coming from the Windoze world, one of the features that I really liked >about WSFTP and other ftp clients is that most of them have a feature >that can auto-detect what kind of file you are trying to upload, thus >making uploading a combination of ASCII and Binary files a breeze. > >GFTP, on the other hand does not seem to have this feature, so I'm >having to upload this website piecemeal, switching between ascii and >binary for each directory. Is there any linux FTP client that has this >feature? > wget -- Bruce From lug at eth0.us Tue Jun 22 18:09:11 2004 From: lug at eth0.us (John) Date: Tue Jun 22 16:56:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! In-Reply-To: <1087931349.598.12.camel@nympho.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001501c458a5$8c684bb0$0300a8c0@deacnet.wfu.edu> I have a few invites, send me an email off list if you would like one. For those of you that have received an account in the past few days you might check if you have any invites. Gmail is starting to pass them out very frequently. John From bryan.scott at gmail.com Tue Jun 22 19:20:05 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Tue Jun 22 18:06:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card In-Reply-To: <40D88DED.8070509@satx.rr.com> References: <40D88DED.8070509@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:52:13 -0500, J. Patrick Lanigan wrote: > > Kase Saylor wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > I'm still researching the best way to set a PVR and I wanted to know > > if anybody on the list knew of a PCI card that could be used with > > TimeWarner digital cable? I don't have any premium channels and I'm > > not looking to record pay-per-view. I just want to be able to record > > shows beyond channel 125. Thanks for any help you may have. > > I have been wondering the same thing recently. I don't have any > firsthand knowledge, but there is a entry on slashdot today with a link > to a review of the newly released ATI HDTV card. > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/22/1449238&mode=thread&tid=129&tid=137&tid=188 Be Careful. I purchased a card that did HD, but it did not do 'Digital Cable' which is what it sounds like you are looking for, cuz HD and Digital cable are not synonymous. -Bryan From dubose at texas.net Tue Jun 22 19:34:56 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Tue Jun 22 18:19:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gftp alternative References: <1087941021.28334.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40D8C220.946B6C5B@texas.net> Why not just upload everything as binary? In the manual mode I always set the "mode" to binary/ Walt Sean Carolan wrote: > > Hi gang: > > Coming from the Windoze world, one of the features that I really liked > about WSFTP and other ftp clients is that most of them have a feature > that can auto-detect what kind of file you are trying to upload, thus > making uploading a combination of ASCII and Binary files a breeze. > > GFTP, on the other hand does not seem to have this feature, so I'm > having to upload this website piecemeal, switching between ascii and > binary for each directory. Is there any linux FTP client that has this > feature? > > thanks > > Sean > > -- > Medical Resource USA > 1330 West Blanco > San Antonio, TX 78260 > Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 > Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 > Fax: (210)281-9604 > web: www.medicalresourceusa.com > email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Tue Jun 22 18:04:25 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 22 18:50:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gftp alternative In-Reply-To: <40D8AD85.2020604@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20040623000425.85824.qmail@web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com> > > wget > > -- Bruce Thanks, I ended up using rsync. Nice thing about linux is there is usually more than one way to do things. Rsync over ssh worked great, and was way faster than ftp would have been for the same task. From eli at then7.com Tue Jun 22 21:02:32 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Tue Jun 22 19:49:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gftp alternative In-Reply-To: <20040623000425.85824.qmail@web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040623000425.85824.qmail@web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40D8D6A8.8000402@then7.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > Rsync over ssh worked great, and was way > faster than ftp would have been for the same task. in my experience rsync with encryption and compression has never been as fast as ftp... or rsync without encryption for that matter. ymmv e From eli at then7.com Tue Jun 22 21:11:24 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Tue Jun 22 19:58:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card In-Reply-To: References: <40D88DED.8070509@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <40D8D8BC.40605@then7.com> Bryan Scott wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:52:13 -0500, J. Patrick Lanigan wrote: > >>Kase Saylor wrote: >> >> >>>Hey All, >>> >>>I'm still researching the best way to set a PVR and I wanted to know >>>if anybody on the list knew of a PCI card that could be used with >>>TimeWarner digital cable? are you asking if there's a way to take the raw mpeg stream and save it to disk? i doubt anyone except time warners own pvr box could do that. can you imagine? perfect copies of time warners transmissions....to your own pc to archive as you see fit. i don't think so. anyone here know for sure? e From me at jchampion.com Tue Jun 22 22:14:51 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Tue Jun 22 21:00:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! References: <001501c458a5$8c684bb0$0300a8c0@deacnet.wfu.edu> Message-ID: <003301c458c7$de1aefe0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> yea...there's a reason for that...seems there was a booming market for gmail invitations. a friend of mine was selling them for $250/each. he made enough for a nice vacation somewhere and isn't inviting me. if you look on sourceforge, someone has created a linux pop email tool for gmail. i can't remember the name of it though...i kinda like messing with the spyware...err... ads. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: "'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Gmail - that was fast! > I have a few invites, send me an email off list if you would like one. > > For those of you that have received an account in the past few days you > might check if you have any invites. Gmail is starting to pass them out very > frequently. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 From me at jchampion.com Tue Jun 22 22:59:27 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Tue Jun 22 21:45:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card References: <40D88DED.8070509@satx.rr.com> <40D8D8BC.40605@then7.com> Message-ID: <003c01c458ce$191b66f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> what you're going to have to do is use mythtv. then you're going to have to run down to radioshack and get an irblaster (or the equiv) in order to sync the pvr and the tw cable box. sorry but there ain't an easier way the tw digital cable box uses their own compression and encryption methods and so you're gonna have a hard time trying to locate one built into a pci card . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card > Bryan Scott wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:52:13 -0500, J. Patrick Lanigan wrote: > > > >>Kase Saylor wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hey All, > >>> > >>>I'm still researching the best way to set a PVR and I wanted to know > >>>if anybody on the list knew of a PCI card that could be used with > >>>TimeWarner digital cable? > > are you asking if there's a way to take the raw mpeg stream and save it > to disk? > > i doubt anyone except time warners own pvr box could do that. > > can you imagine? perfect copies of time warners transmissions....to your > own pc to archive as you see fit. > > i don't think so. > > anyone here know for sure? > > e > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Jun 23 00:53:31 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Jun 22 23:39:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio Message-ID: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> Hey guys, I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? I ask because one of the companies I support has been asked to provide a streaming audio solution for one of the local AM radio stations. If we can come up with a good OpenSource solution -- I'm sure we can get right in. The company I'm supporting is already almost completely xNIX. Thanks guys... Chuck From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Jun 23 01:08:40 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Tue Jun 22 23:55:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D91058.9060707@futuretechsolutions.com> Unfortunately, all my research into this area has led me to find that U.S. digital cable signals differ from those in other parts of the world where one can find DVB-C cards. I also found no card maker that produces tuners with those specs. The IR Blaster seems to be the only choice we have on this at this time. (I was interested in doing the same thing a couple weeks back). Charles Kase Saylor wrote: > Hey All, > > I'm still researching the best way to set a PVR and I wanted to know > if anybody on the list knew of a PCI card that could be used with > TimeWarner digital cable? I don't have any premium channels and I'm > not looking to record pay-per-view. I just want to be able to record > shows beyond channel 125. Thanks for any help you may have. > > Kase > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from > Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Jun 23 02:14:46 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Jun 23 01:01:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 22 Jun 2004 23:53:31 -0500, Chuck wrote: >I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming >audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? You've looked at Shoutcast and associated pieces? --Don http://www.shoutcast.com/support/docs/ From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Jun 23 03:02:59 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 23 01:49:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1087974182.1111.47.camel@laptop> Thanks for the heads up on that one Don. I think I'll look around a little more before jumping into ShoutCast though. The DOC pages seem to indicate the ShoutCast is kinda dependent on WinAMP for playback. I'd like to use something that is compatible with all clients, both Winblows and xNIX. Chuck On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 01:14, Don Wright wrote: > On 22 Jun 2004 23:53:31 -0500, Chuck wrote: > >I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming > >audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? > > You've looked at Shoutcast and associated pieces? --Don > http://www.shoutcast.com/support/docs/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Jun 23 03:28:02 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Jun 23 02:15:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: <1087974182.1111.47.camel@laptop> References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> <1087974182.1111.47.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <40D93102.9040102@futuretechsolutions.com> I stream shoutcast into xmms all the time Chuck wrote: >Thanks for the heads up on that one Don. I think I'll look around a >little more before jumping into ShoutCast though. > >The DOC pages seem to indicate the ShoutCast is kinda dependent on >WinAMP for playback. I'd like to use something that is compatible with >all clients, both Winblows and xNIX. > > >Chuck > > > > >On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 01:14, Don Wright wrote: > > >>On 22 Jun 2004 23:53:31 -0500, Chuck wrote: >> >> >>>I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming >>>audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? >>> >>> >>You've looked at Shoutcast and associated pieces? --Don >>http://www.shoutcast.com/support/docs/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Jun 23 03:34:45 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Jun 23 02:20:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 22 Jun 2004 23:53:31 -0500, Chuck wrote: >I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming >audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? (continued from previous message) I also note that Icecast is a similar server in FLOSS-compliant form, and is available in distro-friendly packages. Should you choose MP3 format for the stream, financial issues may apply. http://www.mp3licensing.com/help/enduser.html#4 This is in addition to possible ASCAP/AFTRA/IATSE issues[1] the radio station should already know about, but mentioned here for completeness. Alternatives? WMA puts you into Redmond's tender mercies, Real brings a reputation for spam, and Ogg Vorbis may be too difficult for the listeners to get working. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis#Software In each case, there may be several encoders to be selected with both bitrate and audio format in mind. Classical piano, rock/pop, and talk radio have very different characteristics and it is unlikely any encoder will be optimized for all of them. Encoding a live audio feed or ripping a CD library also affects your choices. --Don [1] A musical jingle in a commercial may be licensed for Radio broadcast but not Internet broadcast, and the composer, arranger, performer, recording engineer, coffee boy, etc., all will want to be paid. This is one of the main reasons commercial radio dropped off the Internet a few years back. From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 23 06:41:17 2004 From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Wed Jun 23 05:26:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <033201c4590e$9d734d10$0200a8c0@jeff> > Hey guys, > > I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming > audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? > > I ask because one of the companies I support has been asked to provide a > streaming audio solution for one of the local AM radio stations. If we > can come up with a good OpenSource solution -- I'm sure we can get right > in. The company I'm supporting is already almost completely xNIX. > > Thanks guys... Jeremy Mann likes Icecast, and says it's easy to get setup... -Geoff From me at jchampion.com Wed Jun 23 08:05:53 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Jun 23 06:51:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card References: <40D91058.9060707@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <002e01c4591a$6eaf71f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> sadly..yes. that is the case. and in case you need it...this is a very good site for getting hints and tips for building your own pvr. http://www.byopvr.com/ i've built three two using windows and one using debian. it's fun and easy and gets you away from tivo's spying eyes... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles D Hogan" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card > Unfortunately, all my research into this area has led me to find that > U.S. digital cable signals differ from those in other parts of the world > where one can find DVB-C cards. I also found no card maker that > produces tuners with those specs. The IR Blaster seems to be the only > choice we have on this at this time. (I was interested in doing the > same thing a couple weeks back). > > Charles > > Kase Saylor wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > I'm still researching the best way to set a PVR and I wanted to know > > if anybody on the list knew of a PCI card that could be used with > > TimeWarner digital cable? I don't have any premium channels and I'm > > not looking to record pay-per-view. I just want to be able to record > > shows beyond channel 125. Thanks for any help you may have. > > > > Kase > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from > > Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 From erich at thinkspark.com Wed Jun 23 09:05:07 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Wed Jun 23 07:54:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: TiVo [WAS: Digital Cable PCI Card] In-Reply-To: <002e01c4591a$6eaf71f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> References: <40D91058.9060707@futuretechsolutions.com> <002e01c4591a$6eaf71f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> Message-ID: <1087995907.16481.9.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:05, John Champion wrote: [cut] > > it's fun and easy and gets you away from tivo's spying eyes... > I think TiVo spies on me, but for different reasons than everyone else. I think they specifically look at my Season Pass list and cancel those shows. Firefly, The Job, The Tick, Andy Richter Controls the Universe..etc... ;-( It was with extreme trepidation this year that I got a Season Pass for "Arrested Development". Maybe I should start getting Season Passes for reality shows.... For the tin-foil hat wearers in the crowd, TiVo aggregates the viewing data and collects no personally-identifiable viewing data. My understanding is that the ZIP code is as detailed as they get. This has been confirmed by the TiVo h4Xors by monitoring daily call transmissions, apparently. --Eric From erich at thinkspark.com Wed Jun 23 09:14:21 2004 From: erich at thinkspark.com (Eric Hobbs) Date: Wed Jun 23 08:03:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: gftp alternative In-Reply-To: <40D8D6A8.8000402@then7.com> References: <20040623000425.85824.qmail@web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com> <40D8D6A8.8000402@then7.com> Message-ID: <1087996461.16466.17.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 20:02, Eli wrote: > Sean Carolan wrote: > > Rsync over ssh worked great, and was way > > faster than ftp would have been for the same task. > > in my experience rsync with encryption and compression has never been as > fast as ftp... or rsync without encryption for that matter. > > ymmv Using rsync to update a website, like Sean is doing, probably *is* much faster than ftp because you're only transferring changed files rather than every file, like you would be with ftp. Also, using rsync w/encryption and compression to transfer a bunch of text files or compressible binaries is likely to be faster since ftp doesn't compress. You're still right, though. I can't imagine rsync w/compression and encryption being able to transfer images and other generally incompressible binaries faster than ftp. So, it just depends on what you're transferring... --Eric From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 23 09:25:39 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 23 08:11:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gftp alternative In-Reply-To: <40D8D6A8.8000402@then7.com> References: <20040623000425.85824.qmail@web109.biz.mail.yahoo.com> <40D8D6A8.8000402@then7.com> Message-ID: <1087997139.9991.4.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 20:02, Eli wrote: > Sean Carolan wrote: > > Rsync over ssh worked great, and was way > > faster than ftp would have been for the same task. > > in my experience rsync with encryption and compression has never been as > fast as ftp... or rsync without encryption for that matter. > > ymmv > > e Eli: I think you might be correct if I were uploading one or a few large files, however this project includes hundreds of small files. The ftp client seems to open a new port for each and every file that it transfers, so multiply that by several hundred and it takes a while. Rsync, on the other hand just blazes through the whole directory structure with no port switching at all. Therefore it goes much more quickly. As far as setting everything to binary goes - is that safe? I know that in the past I have had perl scripts that would not work when I uploaded them in binary mode. Not sure if the same would happen to my php files. From h_oudini at hotmail.com Wed Jun 23 14:28:08 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Wed Jun 23 08:14:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. I was pretty sure no such card existed, but I thought I would ask anyways. I'll probably go the irblaster route. I'm going to try and document what I do, would anybody be interested in it if I do? >From: "John Champion" >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:05:53 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc2-f2.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.9]) by mc2-s1.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:08:29 -0700 >Received: from alamo.satlug.org ([207.235.6.99]) by mc2-f2.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:07:54 -0700 >Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by >alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5NBqJI31627;Wed, 23 Jun >2004 06:52:19 -0500 >Received: from detroit.dnschamber.net (detroit.dnschamber.net >[67.19.36.132])by alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id >i5NBpsI31618for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:51:54 -0500 >Received: (qmail 29030 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2004 12:03:58 -0000 >Received: from cs2428147-59.satx.rr.com (HELO blackhole1) (24.28.147.59) >by detroit.dnschamber.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2004 12:03:58 -0000 >X-Message-Info: N4u0pqWW+O1wUKaYQMc9Zgysbs2kz7e/mHpHCfR8U5Q= >Message-ID: <002e01c4591a$6eaf71f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> >References: ><40D91058.9060707@futuretechsolutions.com> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 >X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 >Precedence: list >List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >Return-Path: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2004 12:07:54.0822 (UTC) >FILETIME=[B70B7660:01C4591A] > >sadly..yes. that is the case. > >and in case you need it...this is a very good site for getting hints and >tips for building your own pvr. >http://www.byopvr.com/ > >i've built three two using windows and one using debian. > >it's fun and easy and gets you away from tivo's spying eyes... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles D Hogan" >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:08 AM >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Digital Cable PCI Card > > > > Unfortunately, all my research into this area has led me to find that > > U.S. digital cable signals differ from those in other parts of the world > > where one can find DVB-C cards. I also found no card maker that > > produces tuners with those specs. The IR Blaster seems to be the only > > choice we have on this at this time. (I was interested in doing the > > same thing a couple weeks back). > > > > Charles > > > > Kase Saylor wrote: > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > I'm still researching the best way to set a PVR and I wanted to know > > > if anybody on the list knew of a PCI card that could be used with > > > TimeWarner digital cable? I don't have any premium channels and I'm > > > not looking to record pay-per-view. I just want to be able to record > > > shows beyond channel 125. Thanks for any help you may have. > > > > > > Kase > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from > > > Hollywood! >http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From me at jchampion.com Wed Jun 23 09:43:29 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (me@jchampion.com) Date: Wed Jun 23 08:31:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: TiVo [WAS: Digital Cable PCI Card] In-Reply-To: <1087995907.16481.9.camel@localhost> References: <40D91058.9060707@futuretechsolutions.com> <002e01c4591a$6eaf71f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <1087995907.16481.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1087998209.40d98901d2bec@webmail.jchampion.com> Quoting Eric Hobbs : > On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:05, John Champion wrote: > [cut] > > > > it's fun and easy and gets you away from tivo's spying eyes... > > > > I think TiVo spies on me, but for different reasons than everyone else. > I think they specifically look at my Season Pass list and cancel those > shows. Firefly, The Job, The Tick, Andy Richter Controls the > Universe..etc... ;-( It was with extreme trepidation this year that I > got a Season Pass for "Arrested Development". Maybe I should start > getting Season Passes for reality shows.... > > For the tin-foil hat wearers in the crowd, TiVo aggregates the viewing > data and collects no personally-identifiable viewing data. My > understanding is that the ZIP code is as detailed as they get. This has > been confirmed by the TiVo h4Xors by monitoring daily call > transmissions, apparently. > > --Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > actually...that's not 100% correct. they have a record of the shows each individual box has saved and if/when someone subpoenas that info, tivo will turn it over and there's not thing one you can do about it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From edcoates at nighthawk.dyndns.org Wed Jun 23 10:33:02 2004 From: edcoates at nighthawk.dyndns.org (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Jun 23 09:19:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Chuck wrote: > Hey guys, > > I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming > audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? > > I ask because one of the companies I support has been asked to provide a > streaming audio solution for one of the local AM radio stations. If we > can come up with a good OpenSource solution -- I'm sure we can get right > in. The company I'm supporting is already almost completely xNIX. > > Thanks guys... > > > Chuck > Chuck, I've worked with Jeremey, and I've setup shoutcast at the house. I use DarkIce to feed it. I've hooked up my amateur radio as a live feed into at times, and it works pretty well. If you would like, I could activate it one day, and you could check it out. -- Ed Coates/KB8FZQ edcoates@nighthawk.dyndns.org kb8fzq@kb8fzq.ampr.org From hstreit at swri.edu Wed Jun 23 11:25:29 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Wed Jun 23 10:11:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: TiVo [WAS: Digital Cable PCI Card] In-Reply-To: <1087998209.40d98901d2bec@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <40D91058.9060707@futuretechsolutions.com> <002e01c4591a$6eaf71f0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> <1087995907.16481.9.camel@localhost> <1087998209.40d98901d2bec@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <40D9A0E9.8090102@swri.edu> IANAL (but I try to think like one) Can anyone think of a reason why someone would subpeona TiVo data? I don't think it could establish an alibi. Well, maybe an alibi... /Plantiff's Lawyer/:"Where were you on the night of the 19th, Mr. Anderson?" /Plantiff/: "I was replaying the SuperBowl Halftime show, just like everyone else in America." /Prosecutor/ "Objection! The plantiff cannot verify that everyone in America was replaying Janet Jackson's exposed breast!" /h4Xors in audience/: "w33 k@N !!1!" me@jchampion.com wrote: > Quoting Eric Hobbs : > > >>On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:05, John Champion wrote: >>[cut] >> >>>it's fun and easy and gets you away from tivo's spying eyes... >>> >> >>I think TiVo spies on me, but for different reasons than everyone else. >>I think they specifically look at my Season Pass list and cancel those >>shows. Firefly, The Job, The Tick, Andy Richter Controls the >>Universe..etc... ;-( It was with extreme trepidation this year that I >>got a Season Pass for "Arrested Development". Maybe I should start >>getting Season Passes for reality shows.... >> >>For the tin-foil hat wearers in the crowd, TiVo aggregates the viewing >>data and collects no personally-identifiable viewing data. My >>understanding is that the ZIP code is as detailed as they get. This has >>been confirmed by the TiVo h4Xors by monitoring daily call >>transmissions, apparently. >> >>--Eric >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > > > > actually...that's not 100% correct. they have a record of the shows each > individual box has saved and if/when someone subpoenas that info, tivo will > turn it over and there's not thing one you can do about it. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From bamm at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 23 11:55:15 2004 From: bamm at satx.rr.com (Bamm Visscher) Date: Wed Jun 23 10:43:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Good Read On Security/IDS Message-ID: <20040623155515.GF23390@syn.bamm.net> A good friend [0] of mine's book [1] is about to be pubished and he was able to make a chapter [2] (on my open source project [3]) available. I thought some of you guys may be interested in reading it. BTW, he is also teaching a module in this years USENIX Security Symposium in San Diego (Aug 9th - 13th). Don't wait to register [4]! Bammkkkk [0] http://www.taosecurity.com [1] http://www.taosecurity.com/books.html [2] http://sguil.sf.net/downloads/tao_of_nsm_ch10_isbn_0321246772_copyright_2004_pearson.pdf [3] http://sguil.sf.net [4] http://www.usenix.org/events/sec04/training/tutmon.html#m1 From miguelf at satlug.org Wed Jun 23 11:48:30 2004 From: miguelf at satlug.org (Miguel A. Figueroa) Date: Wed Jun 23 10:47:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: <1087974182.1111.47.camel@laptop> References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> <1087974182.1111.47.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1088005709.3058.1.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> I use shoutcast with XMMS all the time, even Zinf. Plus this app for those who haven't seen it yet: http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/ Miguel On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 02:02, Chuck wrote: > Thanks for the heads up on that one Don. I think I'll look around a > little more before jumping into ShoutCast though. > > The DOC pages seem to indicate the ShoutCast is kinda dependent on > WinAMP for playback. I'd like to use something that is compatible with > all clients, both Winblows and xNIX. > > > Chuck > > > > > On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 01:14, Don Wright wrote: > > On 22 Jun 2004 23:53:31 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > >I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming > > >audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? > > > > You've looked at Shoutcast and associated pieces? --Don > > http://www.shoutcast.com/support/docs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- ============================= Miguel A. Figueroa San Antonio Linux Users Group http://satlug.org San Antonio, TX miguelf@satlug.org From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Wed Jun 23 13:03:51 2004 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Wed Jun 23 11:49:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: <1088005709.3058.1.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> <1088005709.3058.1.camel@mifiguer-lnx.cisco.com> Message-ID: <99af515b04062310036864e90a@mail.gmail.com> I love this program use it all the time. On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:48:30 -0500, Miguel A. Figueroa wrote: > > I use shoutcast with XMMS all the time, even Zinf. Plus this app for > those who haven't seen it yet: > > http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/ > > Miguel > > > > On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 02:02, Chuck wrote: > > Thanks for the heads up on that one Don. I think I'll look around a > > little more before jumping into ShoutCast though. > > > > The DOC pages seem to indicate the ShoutCast is kinda dependent on > > WinAMP for playback. I'd like to use something that is compatible with > > all clients, both Winblows and xNIX. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 01:14, Don Wright wrote: > > > On 22 Jun 2004 23:53:31 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > > >I remember there was a discussion going on a while back about streaming > > > >audio. Did that discussion progress to a working system??? > > > > > > You've looked at Shoutcast and associated pieces? --Don > > > http://www.shoutcast.com/support/docs/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- > ============================= > Miguel A. Figueroa > San Antonio Linux Users Group > http://satlug.org > San Antonio, TX > miguelf@satlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Wed Jun 23 13:33:14 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Wed Jun 23 12:19:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] PartImage Message-ID: <8C3F94E7D77CD44B877E77DAEEF7911A07F6B2@amedmlsatx02.amed.ds.army.mil> Greetings All: I am using Partition Image to back up and restore partitions via 100MB ethernet. Initially I used the system recovery cd to boot the client and that works great. Then I tried the version of partimage on the 3.3 version of Knoppix. It complained of an incompatible version on the server. So I stayed with the system recovery CD. Recently Klaus released version 3.4 and I was happy to discover that it contains the new and identical version of partimage as is running on my Linux server (RH9.0). Unfortunately, with this software I am receiving a "connexion refused, version mismatch" error. I googled those terms and while other people (in other languages) seem to be having this exact problem, I found no solutions/answers to solve the issue. I don't mind using the System Recovery CD, it has some nice tools, but why oh why is Knoppix not able to do the same thing given that they are the same software revision? To try to answer my own question, I ran partimage -v and partimage -(lowercase i) [Stupid outlook uppercases my I whether I want it to or not.] The one that is working was compiled with "Users don't login" and SSL disabled. The one that is not working was compiled with "Users must login" and SSL enabled. Both are version 0.6.4 I am stumped!!! I am willing to stop the partimaged server and run it with different options in order to achieve compatibility with the client, but have had no success so far. The command line for the partimaged server is cd /home/partimag ; partimage -L -D I've tried running the server without the -L flag -- still doesn't work. Ideas anyone? If I don't get an answer via the SATLUG maillist, ideas as to where should I post such Linux releated questions would be appreciated. Othniel Graichen From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Wed Jun 23 14:53:57 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 23 13:39:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] linux publicity Message-ID: <1088016837.23066.7.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> We would like to write an article highlighting our company's success in transitioning from Windows to Linux. For those who haven't seen my previous posts on the subject, we got rid of about 12 windows installations and replaced them with a linux ltsp network using the same hardware. I'm open to suggestions about content to include, as well as organizations who would be interested in publishing something like this. thanks Sean -- Medical Resource USA 1330 West Blanco San Antonio, TX 78260 Toll-Free: (800)330-3591 x104 Phone: (210)281-9602 x104 Fax: (210)281-9604 web: www.medicalresourceusa.com email: sean@medicalresourceusa.com From dubose at texas.net Wed Jun 23 18:31:40 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Wed Jun 23 17:16:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Fall Comdex Canceled Message-ID: <40DA04CC.6CAF5CC@texas.net> Fall Comdex Canceled Due To Shortage Of Key Exhibitors MediaLive International, which runs Comdex, said a lack of support from major exhibitors prompted it to postpone the show until at least next year. http://www.computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,94041,00.html?nlid=PM From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Jun 23 19:52:40 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 23 18:38:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] FreeBSD to interoperate with Unix platforms Message-ID: <1088034761.1542.4.camel@laptop> Cool, the more we stand together with our brothers -- the better we do in the public eyes compared to the really crappy operating systems.... ----------------------------------------------------------- Today's focus: FreeBSD to interoperate with Unix platforms By Phil Hochmuth And now for something slightly different: some FreeBSD news. The FreeBSD Project was recently given permission to use the Posix standard for Unix-based application portability. The permission was given by the IEEE and the Open Group, which partly controls Unix standards and specifications. This means that users could expect to see more applications being available to run on commercial Posix-based Unix platforms and the open-source FreeBSD operating systems. Posix is an IEEE standard that defines how applications talk to Unix operating systems. Based on Unix System V and BSD Unix, Posix allows applications written for one type of Unix to run on other Unix-based platforms. The deal will allow The FreeBSD Project to use the 1400 interfaces included in the Posix standard, as well as all headers, system interfaces and utilities. Granting the use of the IEEE 1003.1 Posix standard will give application developers a better understanding of how to write applications that work cross-platform between standard Unix and open-source FreeBSD platforms, experts say. Called by some as "the other free Unix," the FreeBSD Project was started in 1992 and is based on technology from the Berkeley Systems Distribution of Unix, which was developed at the University of California at Berkeley - and later went on to power operating systems from Sun to Apple Macintosh. FreeBSD runs on x86 compatible processors, AMD64, HP Alpha, IBM Power and Sun UltraSPARC chip architectures. RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS More about FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ More about Posix http://www.pasc.org/ From dubose at texas.net Wed Jun 23 21:23:34 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:08:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SvxLink - a Multi Purpose Voice Services System] Message-ID: <40DA2D16.BA77DCB0@texas.net> From: Bill Eastman Some of you may be interested. Up to now, EchoLink was only available if running a MS OS -- Walt The link below is for a Linux program that is similar to Echolink (which is a Windows program) It is only of interest if you are a ham or are studying to become a ham. http://svxlink.sourceforge.net/ -- Bill Eastman KE5ASU From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jun 23 21:10:08 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:56:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Write to Walter S. Mossberg at mossberg@wsj.com Message-ID: <20040624031008.73594.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> I receive the Wall Street Journal (hardcopy and online) and it looks like Walter (who does has a weekly WSJ technology column) needs to be told the truth about open source products. His propaganda about Microsoft just isn't true. I have included his email address (mossberg@wsj.com). I think we should all write Walter a Dear Walter letter and ask him to stop spreading his nonsense. ___________________________________________________ Microsoft Office Rivals Include One to Avoid And a Good Alternative by Walter Mossberg June 24, 2004 Wall Street Journal Online Microsoft Office for Windows is the world standard for performing key productivity tasks like word processing, building spreadsheets and creating presentations. But Microsoft hasn't added any fundamental innovations for consumers to these core elements of Office since around 1995. So can somebody do better? To find out, I've been testing two office suites that have appeared in the past month or so. One is an upstart from China, and the second is an old standby from Canada. For this review, I didn't include StarOffice, also known as OpenOffice, an "open source" office-suite alternative I tested late last year and found wanting. I evaluated the two new entries in three major areas: price, features and compatibility with Microsoft's file formats, which, fairly or unfairly, are the world standards. Right off the bat, the contenders, Evermore Integrated Office from China and WordPerfect Office 12 from Canada, suffer in comparison with Microsoft Office. Neither has a module comparable to Outlook, the integrated e-mail, calendar and address-book software Microsoft includes. But I didn't view this as a fatal flaw, because there are plenty of standalone options. So I judged the programs instead on the core productivity functions. And I focused mainly on word processing, since that function is used by far more people than any other. Evermore, from Wuxi Evermore Software, claims two major features it says Microsoft Office lacks. First, its maker says it has a single interface for all three types of documents -- word processing, spreadsheet and presentations. Next, it claims to have a single file format for all three. But neither of these claims is exactly true. You still have to select which type of document you want, and the interfaces are actually slightly different. Worse, toolbar icons from the modules you aren't using stay on your screen, taking up space. As for the unified file format, that's also a stretch. Spreadsheet, word-processor and presentation documents each have their own distinct file formats. The so-called unified file format is actually a sort of digital container, called a binder, that can contain multiple files of each type. But it isn't new. Microsoft introduced the same sort of format, also called a binder, in the mid-1990s, but phased it out due to lack of user interest. Evermore's flashiest feature is "Paste Link," which lets you link data in word-processor documents and presentations to an underlying spreadsheet. When you change the spreadsheet, all the numbers linked to the spreadsheet in the other documents change automatically. But this isn't new either. Microsoft has had something very similar for years, but says few people use it. Evermore also did a poor job of importing documents created in Microsoft Word. In my tests, it scrambled layouts and graphics. In addition, Evermore's program actually costs more, for home consumers, than Microsoft Office. Its consumer version is $149, while the Student and Teacher edition of Microsoft Office can be picked up for around $126. Despite the name, Microsoft admits privately that it intends this latter version for any family at home and deliberately doesn't require proof you're a student or teacher. Overall, Evermore has the feel of an unfinished product. Fonts look jagged and uneven on the screen because the company disabled a common font-smoothing technique called "anti-aliasing." The help screens take forever to launch, and when I installed Evermore, it scrambled my desktop icons. All in all, I can't see any advantage in using Evermore Integrated Office. Wordperfect Office 12, from the Canadian company Corel, is the latest version of the once-dominant office suite Microsoft crushed back in the 1990s. It is a much better, cleaner and faster product than Evermore and a decent alternative to Microsoft. WordPerfect Office did the best job of any alternative suite I've tested at importing and properly displaying Microsoft Office documents, as well as saving files in Microsoft formats. There are special "compatibility toolbars" that let you save documents in Microsoft's formats with a single click. And you can choose to substitute icons and menus that approximate Microsoft's user interface instead of WordPerfect's. WordPerfect also has a few features Microsoft Office still lacks. For instance, when you are considering changing the font, size or alignment of a selected block of text, the program instantly gives you a preview, right in the document, of what the change will look like. WordPerfect Office can also quickly and easily save any document in Adobe's PDF file format, a universal, cross-platform file type. And WordPerfect maintains its famous "reveal codes" feature, which allows you to dig into any section of text and make minute changes to formatting by altering the underlying computer codes. I'm not a fan of this feature, but some types of users, especially lawyers, seem to love it, and Microsoft has nothing that really matches it. Plus, WordPerfect Office is cheaper than Microsoft Office. Its student and teacher edition, which like Microsoft's is really aimed at any home user, can be bought for about $90. Personally, I plan to stick with Microsoft Office. Despite my distaste for Microsoft's monopoly, it does the job and is reasonably priced for consumers. But, if you're looking for an alternative, try WordPerfect. Write to Walter S. Mossberg at mossberg@wsj.com __________________________________________________ Walt Mossberg is the author and creator of the weekly Personal Technology column in The Wall Street Journal, which has appeared every Thursday since 1991. The goal of the column is "to take the consumer's side in the struggle to master the machine, to deliver a weekly dose of useful information in plain English, but in a way that never condescends to our readers just because they can't tell one chip from another." Mr. Mossberg also writes the Mossberg Solution, which premiered April 9, 2002, and Mossberg's Mailbox. He is also a contributing editor of Smart Money, the Journal's monthly magazine, where he writes the Mossberg Report column. On television, Mr. Mossberg appears frequently as a technology commentator for the CNBC network. Mr. Mossberg has been a reporter and editor at the Journal since 1970. He is based in the Journal's Washington, D.C., office, where he spent 18 years covering national and international affairs before turning his attention to technology. From me at jchampion.com Wed Jun 23 23:28:13 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Jun 23 22:14:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] as steve martin would say... Message-ID: <007601c4599b$4a04fba0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> "the new slackware is here...the new slackware is here!" http://www.slackware.com/ slack 10 is out and ready... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 From msellers at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 23 23:28:40 2004 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Wed Jun 23 22:14:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: References: <1087966412.1111.34.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <40DA4A68.9020107@sbcglobal.net> icecast is pretty groovy. Mike From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Jun 24 06:56:41 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Jun 24 05:43:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux in Iraq Message-ID: <200406241056.i5OAufBx009147@biochem.uthscsa.edu> A friend of mine passed this along, perhaps you are interested as well. -Borries > I thought you might enjoy hearing a five minute story carried on the > BBC/PRI/WGBH news program "The World" this past Monday: > > | Linux report (5:00) > | > | In Iraq, a group of computer users has started writing open source > | computer code. They're Linux enthusiasts. The idea is to make low-cost, > | home-grown software and is said to hold great promise for developing > | countries. It could leapfrog Iraq into a more competitive future. The > | World technology reporter Clark Boyd reports. > > ftp://ftp.biochem.uthscsa.edu/pub/gst/wgbh/040624-wrld-linux_in_iraq.rm From gregory.willden at swri.org Thu Jun 24 09:56:04 2004 From: gregory.willden at swri.org (Greg Willden) Date: Thu Jun 24 08:42:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] linux publicity In-Reply-To: <1088016837.23066.7.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1088016837.23066.7.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40DACF64.2090209@swri.org> Sean Carolan wrote: >I'm open to suggestions about content to include, as well as >organizations who would be interested in publishing something like this. > > Doc Searls has started a new website about Do-It-Yourself IT http://garage.docsearls.com. Here is something he said about in today's SuitWatch: "Its long-term purpose is to provide a place where anybody with an interest in DIY-IT can write about anything related to the subject--outside the gravity well of mainstream media interest in vendor sports and other distractions from What's Really Going On. If you have thinking to share, stories to tell or news to pass along, please come on over and start posting. We need you." That might be a good place to go to start talking about your experiences. Regards. Greg From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Jun 24 09:56:39 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jun 24 08:42:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Slack 10 torrents Message-ID: <33836.129.111.175.204.1088085399.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> We are seeding all four official torrents from the Slackware tracker. Be sure to download with the torrents, rather than taking up Patrick's precious bandwidth. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Jun 24 10:33:38 2004 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Jun 24 09:19:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gftp alternative In-Reply-To: <1087941021.28334.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1087941021.28334.23.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040624143338.GA1919@mail.fortuitous.com> On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 04:50:21PM -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > Hi gang: > > Coming from the Windoze world, one of the features that I really liked > about WSFTP and other ftp clients is that most of them have a feature > that can auto-detect what kind of file you are trying to upload, thus > making uploading a combination of ASCII and Binary files a breeze. Here is my RST script that does all the configurations. The .rst and .exclude files go in the directory that is root for the transfer. Once configured, you simply go into that folder and type "rst". It works for me... --------begin rst ---------cut-here #! /usr/bin/perl -w ############################################################################ # Written by Dr. Philip A. Carinhas Mon Jun 30 11:02:22 PDT 1997 # Version 0.0.1 # License: http://www.fortuitous.com/license.html # Warning: Use at your own risk! ############################################################################ use strict; use diagnostics; use Getopt::Long; my $test; &GetOptions( "test!" => \$test, "t!" => \$test ); my $RSYNC_FILE=".rst"; my $ROOT_DIR = "."; #-----------------------------------------------------------------# #--- Open Log File -----------------------------------------------# #-----------------------------------------------------------------# my $Archive = "$ROOT_DIR/.rst_log"; open (STDOUT, ">>$Archive") or die "Can't open $Archive"; print "#-------------------------\n"; print `date`; my $d; my @Dest; my $Source; my $ssh="no"; my $backup="no"; my $today; my $rsync="/usr/bin/rsync"; my $yesterday; my @Options="-av"; # push @Options, "-v"; #-----------------------------------------------------------------# #--- Read in All Data --------------------------------------------# #-----------------------------------------------------------------# open (SF, $RSYNC_FILE) or die "Can't open $RSYNC_FILE"; my @array = (); close(SF); for (@array) { chomp($_); next if m&^\s*#&; # Strip C++ style comment. next if m&^\s*$&; # Strip blank lines. if ( m%source=(.+)%i ) { $Source=$1; print "Detected Source=$Source\n" if $test; next; } if ( m%dest=(.+)%i ) { $d=$1; push @Dest, $d; print "Detected Dest=\"$d\"\n" if $test; next; } if ( m%ssh=(.+)%i ) { $ssh = $1; print "Detected ssh =$1\n" if $test; next; } if ( m%include=(.+)%i ) { push @Options, "--include=$1"; print "Detected Include=\'$1\'\n" if $test; next; } if ( m%include\-from=(.+)%i ) { push @Options, "--include-from=$1"; print "Detected Include-From=\'$1\'\n" if $test; next; } if ( m%exclude=(.+)%i ) { push @Options, "--exclude=$1"; print "Detected Exclude=\'$1\'\n" if $test; next; } if ( m%exclude\-from=(.+)%i ) { push @Options, "--exclude-from=$1"; print "Detected Exclude-From=\'$1\'\n" if $test; next; } if ( m%delete=(yes)%i ) { push @Options, "--delete"; print "Detected delete\n" if $test; next; } if ( m%backup=(yes)%i ) { print "Detected backup\n" if $test; $backup=$1; $yesterday=`date -I -d yesterday`; $today=`date -I -d today`; chomp $today; chomp $yesterday; next; } } ############# Pre-rsync processing ################## if ( $ssh eq "yes") { push @Options, "-e ssh"; } ### cp -al /bak/`date -I -d yesterday` /bak/`date -I -d today` && rsync -a /home /bak/`date -I -d today`/ if (! $Source){die "no source file specification";} ############# Rsync processing ################# ## Backups require creating dated directories and hardlinking my $dest; foreach $dest (@Dest) { if ( $backup eq "yes") { print "backup is yes\n"; if ( -d "$dest/$yesterday" ) { print "Dest/Yesterday = $dest/$yesterday\n"; print "Dest/Today = $dest/$today\n"; mkdir("$dest/$yesterday", 0700); `cp -al "$dest/$yesterday" "$dest/$today"`; } my $true_dest="$dest/$today/"; # ------------------------------------------------------- system($rsync, @Options, $Source, $true_dest ) if (! $test); print "rsync @Options $Source $true_dest \n" if $test; } else { system('rsync', @Options, $Source, $dest ) if (! $test); print "rsync @Options $Source $dest \n" if $test; } } close(STDOUT); -------- end rst --------- -------- begin sample .rst file --------cut-here-- #------------------------------------------------------- # This is the configuration file for Rsync Tool (rst) # This tool is meant to be used on a per directory basis # so that EITHER $dest or $source is the current dir "." #------------------------------------------------------- # dest should be user@host:. or . dest=pax@fortuitous.com:public_html/pac/ # source file. can be ./ or server:path/to/here/ source=./ # exclude can be any pattern (no quotes) exclude=.* # exclude-from can be any pattern (no quotes) exclude-from=.exclude # delete the cruft on the receiving side? delete=no ssh=yes # -------- end sample .rst file -------- #-------- begin sample .exclude file --------cut-here-- old/ test/ scp_list tmp/ *~ *.xwd *.xcf .htaccess *.bak # -------- end sample .exclude file --------cut-here-- -p .--------------------------------------------------------. | Philip A. Carinhas | http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies | Linux Consulting & Training | `--------------------------------------------------------' From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 24 17:58:33 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Thu Jun 24 16:34:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] as steve martin would say... In-Reply-To: <007601c4599b$4a04fba0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> References: <007601c4599b$4a04fba0$0200a8c0@blackhole1> Message-ID: <1088114314.13931.0.camel@zeus.matrix> On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 22:28, John Champion wrote: ... > http://www.slackware.com/ > > slack 10 is out and ready... Just as long as they don't call it Slack X.... what the hell is slack-ex? is it like exlax? bwahahaha... FIRESTORM_v1 From kingttx at hotmail.com Thu Jun 24 21:49:24 2004 From: kingttx at hotmail.com (Thomas King) Date: Thu Jun 24 20:35:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo Message-ID: Those of you using Yahoo over GAIM, are any of you having troubles logging in today? Tom King _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From mwhities at dynup.net Thu Jun 24 22:04:36 2004 From: mwhities at dynup.net (Michael D. Whities) Date: Thu Jun 24 20:50:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40DB8834.4020403@dynup.net> Thomas King wrote: > Those of you using Yahoo over GAIM, are any of you having troubles > logging in today? > > Tom King > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug I've had no problems at all. Michael From pfrostie at yahoo.com Thu Jun 24 22:23:12 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Thu Jun 24 20:53:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406242123.13107.pfrostie@yahoo.com> GAIM has not worked with yahoo for several days. i've been using Yahoo's client instead On Thu June 24 2004 09:49 pm, Thomas King wrote: > Those of you using Yahoo over GAIM, are any of you having troubles logging > in today? > > Tom King > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From eli at then7.com Thu Jun 24 22:42:38 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Thu Jun 24 21:28:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] slack torrents Message-ID: <1088131358.a656aaf705c8f@www.then7.com> anyone having luck downloading slack 10? using the torrents from slackware.org results in "problem connecting to tracker - urlopen error 10060 'Operation time out.'" ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Thu Jun 24 23:02:53 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Thu Jun 24 21:48:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: (Thomas King's message of "Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:49:24 -0500") References: Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, "Thomas King" said: > Those of you using Yahoo over GAIM, are any of you having troubles > logging in today? http://slashdot.org/articles/04/06/24/128248.shtml?tid=126&tid=187&tid=95 -- Ted Rathkopf From jftitan at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 24 23:34:16 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Thu Jun 24 22:21:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Distro specific... Message-ID: <200406250334.i5P3Yso8015770@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a Linux Distro that has been pre-configured, with Apache, mySQL, CGI, PHP functions already from the start. Maybe even bootable, allowing my to mount a HDD as the storage media to allow for expansion. In basic I need a small webserver to host my bulletin board for friends. Something to allow us to communicate changes on our small business plans. I know, "why not just call each other, or email/IM?", Well because the few of us are worldwide so our time tables are entirely 180 in some cases. If there isn't a Distro already made, would there be anybody willing to teach me how to setup/configure one? -Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Administrator SwapNEtwork eXtreme, Inc. jftitan@satx.rr.com (joseph.forbes@swapnetx.com) cell 210.834.3450 fax 775.415.9280 From eli at then7.com Fri Jun 25 01:41:39 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Jun 25 00:28:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] slack torrents In-Reply-To: <1088131358.a656aaf705c8f@www.then7.com> References: <1088131358.a656aaf705c8f@www.then7.com> Message-ID: <40DBBB13.5020100@then7.com> Eli Cantu wrote: > anyone having luck downloading slack 10? > disregard. found iso mirrors in sweden and austria. ~e From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Fri Jun 25 04:19:50 2004 From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Fri Jun 25 03:06:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SCO Legal Summary Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80602BEA8@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com> Some interesting reading about the SCO legal actions... SCO v. Well, Almost Everybody "In the past year, the battle over UNIX has generated significant litigation and lots of anxiety among the open source community and software users alike. However, the multi-front battle is complex, making it hard to understand what's going on and what's at stake. This article explains the disputes, summarizes the latest status (as of 6/14/04), and offers some possible lessons to learn." ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From leoem at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 25 05:13:33 2004 From: leoem at satx.rr.com (Leo E. Midha) Date: Fri Jun 25 03:59:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] slack torrents In-Reply-To: <40DBBB13.5020100@then7.com> Message-ID: <200406250913.i5P9DeBu022024@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml This is one page of unofficial mirrors. Also the tracker should be fine. There was some small problems with the box it's hosted on, but it should all be good now, we have over 500seeding right now =) NetrixTardis -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Eli Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:42 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] slack torrents Eli Cantu wrote: > anyone having luck downloading slack 10? > disregard. found iso mirrors in sweden and austria. ~e _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Jun 25 08:56:36 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Jun 25 07:42:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Distro specific... In-Reply-To: <200406250334.i5P3Yso8015770@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> References: <200406250334.i5P3Yso8015770@ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <34119.129.111.175.204.1088168196.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> NaT said: > > > I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a Linux Distro that has > been pre-configured, with Apache, mySQL, CGI, PHP functions already from > the > start. Maybe even bootable, allowing my to mount a HDD as the storage > media to allow for expansion. > > In basic I need a small webserver to host my bulletin board for friends. > Something to allow us to communicate changes on our small business plans. > I > know, "why not just call each other, or email/IM?", Well because the few > of > us are worldwide so our time tables are entirely 180 in some cases. > > If there isn't a Distro already made, would there be anybody willing to > teach me how to setup/configure one? By bootable, do you mean a Live CD? Or do you want something you can install to a HD? If the latter is the case, virtually all distros come with the above packages you mentioned. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 25 09:33:30 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Fri Jun 25 08:20:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Distro specific... In-Reply-To: <34119.129.111.175.204.1088168196.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <200406251334.i5PDYBBv018543@ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com> I was thinking of something Live CD, although I'm currently building a RH9 setup to see my options. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Mann Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:57 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux Distro specific... NaT said: > > > I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a Linux Distro that > has been pre-configured, with Apache, mySQL, CGI, PHP functions > already from the > start. Maybe even bootable, allowing my to mount a HDD as the storage > media to allow for expansion. > > In basic I need a small webserver to host my bulletin board for friends. > Something to allow us to communicate changes on our small business plans. > I > know, "why not just call each other, or email/IM?", Well because the > few of us are worldwide so our time tables are entirely 180 in some > cases. > > If there isn't a Distro already made, would there be anybody willing > to teach me how to setup/configure one? By bootable, do you mean a Live CD? Or do you want something you can install to a HD? If the latter is the case, virtually all distros come with the above packages you mentioned. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Fri Jun 25 10:30:50 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jun 25 09:16:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1088173850.1890.8.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Here at Medical Resource USA, we unfortunately use Yahoo IM for internal office communication. So it was rather disappointing to learn yesterday morning that none of my linux users could log on to Yahoo IM. I spent a good part of the day yesterday mucking around with different solutions, including setting up my own Jabber server. The jabber server proved to be very unstable though and was crashing every 3 minutes so we ended up installing the "official" Yahoo linux client as a stop-gap measure. Eventually I would prefer of course to have an in-house solution rather than depending on Yahoo for this. From jaret at aberlorn.com Fri Jun 25 10:39:03 2004 From: jaret at aberlorn.com (jaret) Date: Fri Jun 25 09:25:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: <1088173850.1890.8.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <1088173850.1890.8.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <40DC3907.8050002@aberlorn.com> Sean Carolan wrote: >Here at Medical Resource USA, we unfortunately use Yahoo IM for internal >office communication. So it was rather disappointing to learn yesterday >morning that none of my linux users could log on to Yahoo IM. I spent a >good part of the day yesterday mucking around with different solutions, >including setting up my own Jabber server. The jabber server proved to >be very unstable though and was crashing every 3 minutes so we ended up >installing the "official" Yahoo linux client as a stop-gap measure. >Eventually I would prefer of course to have an in-house solution rather >than depending on Yahoo for this. > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > Overall GAIM has worked for me... However one thing I dislike about GAIM is that if a person who is invisible IMs me, I will not receive the message. If I use yahooIM, I would receive the message. I have GAIM, version 0.76. From sasimpson at gmail.com Fri Jun 25 12:17:02 2004 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Fri Jun 25 11:03:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: <40DC3907.8050002@aberlorn.com> References: <40DC3907.8050002@aberlorn.com> Message-ID: I have GAIM .77 at work (not sure which at home) but it will not connect, even when i change the server. Says "invalid password". :P On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:39:03 -0500, jaret wrote: > > > Sean Carolan wrote: > > >Here at Medical Resource USA, we unfortunately use Yahoo IM for internal > >office communication. So it was rather disappointing to learn yesterday > >morning that none of my linux users could log on to Yahoo IM. I spent a > >good part of the day yesterday mucking around with different solutions, > >including setting up my own Jabber server. The jabber server proved to > >be very unstable though and was crashing every 3 minutes so we ended up > >installing the "official" Yahoo linux client as a stop-gap measure. > >Eventually I would prefer of course to have an in-house solution rather > >than depending on Yahoo for this. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > Overall GAIM has worked for me... However one thing I dislike about GAIM > is that if a person who is invisible IMs me, I will not receive the > message. If I use yahooIM, I would receive the message. I have GAIM, > version 0.76. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Fri Jun 25 13:34:06 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jun 25 12:20:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: References: <1088173850.1890.8.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <1088184846.12859.2.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> > What jabber server are you running? I'm using jabberd and it's been > very stable. I would think Jabber is definitely the way you want to > go so that all your internal communication isn't going through Yahoo's > servers. I tried jabberd2 on Fedora Core 2. The problem we were having is every 3-4 minutes it would die with a "write error / broken pipe" message. From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 25 14:21:46 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (NaT) Date: Fri Jun 25 13:08:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: <1088184846.12859.2.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <200406251822.i5PIMOQ2008693@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> Those who use Trillian, Trillian has released another version which has fixed the YahooIM problem. Trillian Pro 2.013, I use Trillian religiously, (maybe because I spent the money for it) I wish someone with Trillian would make a migrated version to Linux. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Sean Carolan Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:34 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: Re: [SATLUG] GAIM and Yahoo > What jabber server are you running? I'm using jabberd and it's been > very stable. I would think Jabber is definitely the way you want to > go so that all your internal communication isn't going through Yahoo's > servers. I tried jabberd2 on Fedora Core 2. The problem we were having is every 3-4 minutes it would die with a "write error / broken pipe" message. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From kingttx at hotmail.com Fri Jun 25 15:31:52 2004 From: kingttx at hotmail.com (Thomas King) Date: Fri Jun 25 14:18:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: <200406251700.i5PH0DI15959@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C177D10@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> >I have GAIM .77 at work (not sure which at home) but it will not >connect, even when i change the server. Says "invalid password". :P That's the same message I'm getting. Yahoo IM on Windows is working just fine, though. OK, at least I'm not the only one. :) Tom King From sean at medicalresourceusa.com Fri Jun 25 15:45:44 2004 From: sean at medicalresourceusa.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jun 25 14:31:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C177D10@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> References: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C177D10@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1088192743.12859.14.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 14:31, Thomas King wrote: > >I have GAIM .77 at work (not sure which at home) but it will not > >connect, even when i change the server. Says "invalid password". :P > > That's the same message I'm getting. Yahoo IM on Windows is working just > fine, though. OK, at least I'm not the only one. :) > Tom King Yahoo changed their protocol on Wednesday to reject most third-party clients from accessing their system. They claim that they did this to reduce IM spam - some of you may have gotten this. People set up some sort of bot to IM people and invite them to their "private website". usually it's a front for some porno site or something. In any case Gaim does not seem to be able to log in. The Linux client for Yahoo messenger is working fine, at least the redhat 9.0 version. If you're not allergic to proprietary software you can grab it here: http://messenger.yahoo.com From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Fri Jun 25 17:58:09 2004 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Fri Jun 25 16:44:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: <1088192743.12859.14.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> References: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C177D10@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> <1088192743.12859.14.camel@stegosaurus.ltsp> Message-ID: <99af515b0406251458279f5231@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:45:44 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 14:31, Thomas King wrote: > > >I have GAIM .77 at work (not sure which at home) but it will not > > >connect, even when i change the server. Says "invalid password". :P You can get the updated gaim from the site http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php The developers have just release .79 for public use. Should fix Yahoo for now....... From sasimpson at gmail.com Fri Jun 25 18:05:54 2004 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Fri Jun 25 16:51:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: GAIM and Yahoo In-Reply-To: <99af515b0406251458279f5231@mail.gmail.com> References: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C177D10@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> <99af515b0406251458279f5231@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Finally looked at what i have at home, .71 and it works great! LOL On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:58:09 -0500, Caleb Wylie wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:45:44 -0500, Sean Carolan > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 14:31, Thomas King wrote: > > > >I have GAIM .77 at work (not sure which at home) but it will not > > > >connect, even when i change the server. Says "invalid password". :P > > You can get the updated gaim from the site > http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php The developers have just > release .79 for public use. Should fix Yahoo for now....... > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Jun 26 00:06:07 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Jun 25 22:52:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Using Linux skills to debug Exchange Server Message-ID: This is the story of how the plump little penguin triumphed over the big bad wolf. Situation is a small business office where email is hosted by an out-of-state software company. It's a mixed environment, Macintosh and Windows. One of