From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Wed Sep 1 10:04:38 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Wed Sep 1 08:49:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] what is an rss feed? In-Reply-To: <20040830230635.A6551@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> (joseph speigle's message of "Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:06:35 -0500") References: <20040830214032.A5944@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <345e55a50408302025221b9220@mail.gmail.com> <20040830230635.A6551@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, joseph speigle said: > hi again, i have a rss client now, in python, which opens up a gui > and i can then add websites i want to check the rss feed of and it > pulls down short descriptions of the pages, thanks you very much > could not have been motivated to have done that without a little > push. I've been using liferea for a couple weeks and like it. http://liferea.sourceforge.net/ -- Ted Rathkopf From zip at liberto.org Wed Sep 1 12:32:28 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Wed Sep 1 11:16:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] AODV Routing Message-ID: <4135F99C.1030406@liberto.org> Has anyone done any work with aodv routing in linux? I would like to build a small test mesh network using 802.11b, it seems that aodv is the way to go. Andrew From quaal at alamo.satlug.org Wed Sep 1 10:54:23 2004 From: quaal at alamo.satlug.org (quaal) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:25:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04083019302cbb4aa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In my haste to reduce the number satlug messages, i deleted about a thousand gmail messages. Unfortunately now I wished I hadn't cause I am now curious what is the deal with gmail. Why does every one want or have a gmail account? Is it just the space? Thanks -- quaal On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Yes I think we have ;) > > I can't give away my invites so I'm using them for myself ;) > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:28:39 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > > have we reached gmail saturation point yet? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:14:04 -0500, Charles Mims wrote: > > > I have 4 to give. Email me off-list with the usual,'first name, last > > > name, and email.' > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From quaal at alamo.satlug.org Wed Sep 1 11:00:26 2004 From: quaal at alamo.satlug.org (quaal) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:25:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message In-Reply-To: <4133F828.2090008@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Holy cow. You don't need to answer my previous message about why gmail. Does anyone have an invite left for me? --quaal On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jesika wrote: > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > mail lately. > > Jesika > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From quaal at alamo.satlug.org Wed Sep 1 12:10:10 2004 From: quaal at alamo.satlug.org (quaal) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:25:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04083107235bcf4506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Seems like my other messages are awaiting approval since I am not a mailing list member. Hopefully I fixed it now. So I will ask again, does anyone have a gmail invite to give? --quaal On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jeremy Mann wrote: > libgmail is pretty neat. Now I can archive all my Gmail ;) > > > On 30 Aug 2004 23:17:54 -0500, Matt wrote: > > wow.. this is soo wrong it's funny and almost sadistic... :) > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 23:01, Jesika wrote: > > > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > > > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html > > > > > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > > > mail lately. > > > > > > Jesika > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > From jr7958 at sbc.com Wed Sep 1 13:50:05 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:34:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DAB@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> I have 6. Send me your email address. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of quaal Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:00 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Holy cow. You don't need to answer my previous message about why gmail. Does anyone have an invite left for me? --quaal On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jesika wrote: > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem .html > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > mail lately. > > Jesika > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 13:53:22 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:37:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] what is an rss feed? In-Reply-To: References: <20040830214032.A5944@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <345e55a50408302025221b9220@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0409011053133a3110@mail.gmail.com> Ximian/Novell Evolution has an rss/rdf feed program built in. I use it to pull the headlines from slashdot and a couple other sites into my "today" page every 1/2 hour or so. On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:04:38 -0500, Ted Rathkopf wrote: > Meanwhile, back at the model home, joseph speigle said: > > > hi again, i have a rss client now, in python, which opens up a gui > > and i can then add websites i want to check the rss feed of and it > > pulls down short descriptions of the pages, thanks you very much > > could not have been motivated to have done that without a little > > push. > > I've been using liferea for a couple weeks and like it. > > http://liferea.sourceforge.net/ > > -- > Ted Rathkopf > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jr7958 at sbc.com Wed Sep 1 13:56:57 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:41:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DAC@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> I have 6 left. Send me your email address. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of quaal Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:10 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Seems like my other messages are awaiting approval since I am not a mailing list member. Hopefully I fixed it now. So I will ask again, does anyone have a gmail invite to give? --quaal On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jeremy Mann wrote: > libgmail is pretty neat. Now I can archive all my Gmail ;) > > > On 30 Aug 2004 23:17:54 -0500, Matt wrote: > > wow.. this is soo wrong it's funny and almost sadistic... :) > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 23:01, Jesika wrote: > > > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > > > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem .html > > > > > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > > > mail lately. > > > > > > Jesika > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 13:58:30 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:42:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. Those are the pros. The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you related text ads on the side of the page. From chardon47 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 12:05:52 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:50:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message In-Reply-To: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DAC@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <20040901180552.72254.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Can you give me one for a buddy? kovelan@yahoo.com "REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)" wrote: I have 6 left. Send me your email address. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of quaal Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:10 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Not another GMail invite message Seems like my other messages are awaiting approval since I am not a mailing list member. Hopefully I fixed it now. So I will ask again, does anyone have a gmail invite to give? --quaal On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jeremy Mann wrote: > libgmail is pretty neat. Now I can archive all my Gmail ;) > > > On 30 Aug 2004 23:17:54 -0500, Matt wrote: > > wow.. this is soo wrong it's funny and almost sadistic... :) > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 23:01, Jesika wrote: > > > Since I think we've about hit saturation, have y'all seen this? > > > http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem .html > > > > > > Using GMail as a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > Sorry if that's been mentioned already... I've only had time to skim my > > > mail lately. > > > > > > Jesika > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Illegitimus non Carborundum" "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." From snafu at urdirect.net Wed Sep 1 14:11:34 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn_Home) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:55:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you >related text ads on the side of the page. > > I recently got a gmail account through an invite from this list. However, I was wondering if there are any other cons to consider...? Any privacy issues? From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 15:28:16 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:12:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix - pass disk geometry via bootloader Message-ID: <277020fc040901122855c8db4b@mail.gmail.com> Is there a way to pass the disk geometry info via the bootloader when booting from a knoppix disk? If so could someone share that information with me? I want to force it to use the correct geometry for my drive. From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Wed Sep 1 15:39:58 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:25:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix - pass disk geometry via bootloader Message-ID: Is this for an SATA drive or IDE? Raided or not? Othniel Graichen -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Sean Carolan Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:28 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix - pass disk geometry via bootloader Is there a way to pass the disk geometry info via the bootloader when booting from a knoppix disk? If so could someone share that information with me? I want to force it to use the correct geometry for my drive. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Wed Sep 1 15:48:48 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:33:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] AODV Routing Message-ID: <20040901194837.BAC2914AECF6@mail2.aus.texas.net> > Has anyone done any work with aodv routing in linux? I would like to > build a small test mesh network using 802.11b, it seems that aodv is the > way to go. > > > Andrew > IMHO, no kind of mesh networking is going to work on 802.11b as long as you are limited by operatin under Part 15 using current systems. If you have a full 1 watt output system into a 6 dB gain antenna, runing the hardware at or near the antenna (near=less than 10 ft) and pure LOS (line of sight) with some of the stations in the mesh network, they you have a change of it working...that stationary stations. Mobile mesh networking is another bag of worms. I don't think that there is a good protocol out there yet do really affectively accomplish you expectations for mesh networking other than with hardware described above and dewelling roof mount antennas. Walt From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 1 16:21:37 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:56:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Bandwidth-o-meter? Message-ID: <1094070097.12054.3.camel@zeus.matrix> WEll here goes another stupid question... You know all these bandwidth tools that people have on their websites? (like DSlreports, TWC's speed test, 2wire(ugh), etc.....) Does anyone know where I could find code so that I could do this on an internal server to test various hardware link speeds? Thanks! FIRESTORM_v1 From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 1 16:23:17 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Wed Sep 1 14:58:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1094070198.12076.5.camel@zeus.matrix> Speaking of cons... WHERE ARE THE FOLDERS? It's so damn annoying to have 40+ messages in my main inbox page because I can't tell when the conversation is done, etc.. Any advice? FIRESTORM_v1 On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 12:58, Sean Carolan wrote: > Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to > your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view > for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. > Those are the pros. > > The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you > related text ads on the side of the page. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tx_kewtie at earthlink.net Wed Sep 1 16:35:41 2004 From: tx_kewtie at earthlink.net (Jesika) Date: Wed Sep 1 15:19:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? In-Reply-To: <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> References: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <4136329D.7010800@earthlink.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >> The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you >> related text ads on the side of the page. >> > This is really a misnomer. ALL webmail scans your email. It has to in order to display it. The difference is that while scanning it, gmail catches key words and puts small text ads related to that on the side. This is how they make money. Other free web mail services make money by selling your address to companies who will send you spam about how your penis could be so much bigger. You decide which you prefer. Jesika From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 16:54:46 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 1 15:39:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <1094070198.12076.5.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1094070198.12076.5.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> Matt, what you think are Folders, Gmail calls Labels. On 01 Sep 2004 15:23:17 -0500, Matt wrote: > Speaking of cons... > > WHERE ARE THE FOLDERS? > > It's so damn annoying to have 40+ messages in my main inbox page because > I can't tell when the conversation is done, etc.. > > Any advice? > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 12:58, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to > > your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view > > for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. > > Those are the pros. > > > > The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you > > related text ads on the side of the page. > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 16:56:36 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 1 15:40:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? In-Reply-To: <4136329D.7010800@earthlink.net> References: <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> <4136329D.7010800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090113562953e879@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:35:41 -0500, Jesika wrote: > This is really a misnomer. ALL webmail scans your email. It has to in > order to display it. The difference is that while scanning it, gmail > catches key words and puts small text ads related to that on the side. > This is how they make money. Other free web mail services make money by > selling your address to companies who will send you spam about how your > penis could be so much bigger. You decide which you prefer. But you have to admit Gmail's ads are much more tasteful than say the ads you get with a Hotmail or Yahoo account. I can't stand the half-screen Flash ads that Yahoo has done. I purposely refuse to install Flash in my browsers because of this. And personally, I've found the ads quite useful. -- Jeremy From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 1 17:31:00 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Wed Sep 1 16:13:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04090113562953e879@mail.gmail.com> References: <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> <4136329D.7010800@earthlink.net> <79ec289f04090113562953e879@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1094081459.2576.2.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 13:56, Jeremy Mann wrote: > But you have to admit Gmail's ads are much more tasteful than say the > ads you get with a Hotmail or Yahoo account. I can't stand the > half-screen Flash ads that Yahoo has done. I purposely refuse to > install Flash in my browsers because of this. And personally, I've > found the ads quite useful. I was having a discussion with my cousin in Mexico about laptops and the ad next to it was advertising laptops in Spanish. I thought that was interesting. -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From zip at liberto.org Wed Sep 1 17:29:49 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Wed Sep 1 16:14:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 802.11 pcmcia cards, polarization Message-ID: <41363F4D.1090703@liberto.org> Are 802.11 pcmcia cards vertically or horizontally polarized? It seems they would be horizontally, however most external antenna on AP's are vertically polarized (orientated at least). Considering that if most cards are horizontally polarized, what is the reasoning behind this? Andrew From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Sep 1 17:33:14 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Sep 1 16:17:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Yep - More G-Mail Invites: Message-ID: <4136401A.1070503@futuretechsolutions.com> I have 4 left - you all know the drill by now. From quaal at alamo.satlug.org Wed Sep 1 18:05:52 2004 From: quaal at alamo.satlug.org (quaal) Date: Wed Sep 1 17:05:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail invites - thanks In-Reply-To: <6fedaace040901125530e3d729@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank all, I have an account. Does anybody have more than one? Would they frown on that? --quaal From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 18:39:46 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 1 17:24:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail invites - thanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f04090115392be15aa4@mail.gmail.com> I don't think so. I have 3 ;) On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:05:52 -0500 (CDT), quaal wrote: > Thank all, I have an account. Does anybody have more than one? > Would they frown on that? > > --quaal > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From m.a.wallace at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 18:53:07 2004 From: m.a.wallace at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Wed Sep 1 17:37:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> Except labels aren't exactly folders. Instead of falling into some folder hierarchy, a message can have one or many different labels associated with it. If you had a one-to-one message-label correspondence, it'd be exactly like a typical folder. This is another thing I really like about GMail. With other folder-oriented progarms, you could only classify your messages in one way. But with GMail, you can label the same message many times over. Makes finding something much easier. -Mike On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:54:46 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Matt, what you think are Folders, Gmail calls Labels. > > > > On 01 Sep 2004 15:23:17 -0500, Matt wrote: > > Speaking of cons... > > > > WHERE ARE THE FOLDERS? > > > > It's so damn annoying to have 40+ messages in my main inbox page because > > I can't tell when the conversation is done, etc.. > > > > Any advice? > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 12:58, Sean Carolan wrote: > > > Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to > > > your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view > > > for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. > > > Those are the pros. > > > > > > The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you > > > related text ads on the side of the page. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- > Jeremy > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From me at jchampion.com Wed Sep 1 20:35:00 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Sep 1 19:19:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? References: <277020fc0409011058f351a72@mail.gmail.com> <413610D6.70704@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <002d01c49084$ae9f1300$0200a8c0@blackhole1> no more so than any other email provider. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn_Home" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:11 PM Subject: [SATLUG] gmail - cons ? > Sean Carolan wrote: > > >The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you > >related text ads on the side of the page. > > > > > I recently got a gmail account through an invite from this list. > However, I was wondering > if there are any other cons to consider...? Any privacy issues? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 8/27/2004 From spammer at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 1 21:52:24 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Wed Sep 1 20:35:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] need some help Message-ID: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> Ok guys,, I need some help, If anyone uses SuSe 9.0 and some good linux experiance can you e-mail me outside group . and I will send you my phone # my e-mail should be in the header, but if not it is spammer@satx.rr.com. I ned some help w/ e-mail issues and some config problems I am having. I'm getting fustrated and need a litle coaching to help resolve these issues. Thanks In advance Nick From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 22:03:31 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 1 20:47:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Knoppix - pass disk geometry via bootloader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277020fc040901190361f37fec@mail.gmail.com> It's inside my laptop. I just did this and it seemed to work: knoppix hda=x,y,z where x y and z are the parameters of the drive itself. I realized today that I need to have windoze on the laptop for a few work-related applications, so I set it up to dual-boot to fedora core 2 and windoze xp. From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Sep 1 22:49:12 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Sep 1 21:33:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? Message-ID: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> Hey SATLUGgers, Who was doing the coordination and setup for the Computer Blast??? We need to make sure that everything is set up for this weekend. Also make sure we have the people available for the Computer Blast as well as the InstallFest. Chuck From wmail at wricomp.com Wed Sep 1 23:39:30 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Wed Sep 1 22:23:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? In-Reply-To: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 01 Sep 2004 21:49:12 -0500, Chuck wrote: >Who was doing the coordination and setup for the Computer Blast??? We >need to make sure that everything is set up for this weekend. Also make >sure we have the people available for the Computer Blast as well as the >InstallFest. Hey, Chuck! I think your calendar has slipped a bit. This Saturday is InstallFest at SAC. Next weekend is ComputerFest at Live Oak. I expect to be at both. I still have the recycled Dell Optiplex and will be at the computer show to help set up again. Of course if you'd like to go out there this week and set up a wireless broadband hot spot for us, I certainly wouldn't mind. Pasted from the bulk email I got from Stance this week: > This is just a pre-reminder of the next San Antonio Computer Show. > > Date: SEPTEMBER 11-12 > Location: Live Oak Civic Center / 8101 Pat Booker Rd. @ Loop 1604 From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Sep 1 23:53:44 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Sep 1 22:38:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? In-Reply-To: References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> Man, I AM mixed up. I thought I remembered that the InstallFest and Computer Blast were the same day again. OK, well that's even better. But I won't be able to make it the first day of the Computer Blast if its the 11th. I've got to fly up to Kerrville for a seminar that day. But I can get the signs and Dell400 demo computer to someone else on Friday and then be at the show Sunday. Can I get it to you Don, or are you kinda packed with the other demo computer??? Chuck On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 22:39, Don Wright wrote: > On 01 Sep 2004 21:49:12 -0500, Chuck wrote: > >Who was doing the coordination and setup for the Computer Blast??? We > >need to make sure that everything is set up for this weekend. Also make > >sure we have the people available for the Computer Blast as well as the > >InstallFest. > > > Hey, Chuck! > I think your calendar has slipped a bit. This Saturday is InstallFest > at SAC. Next weekend is ComputerFest at Live Oak. I expect to be at > both. I still have the recycled Dell Optiplex and will be at the > computer show to help set up again. > > Of course if you'd like to go out there this week and set up a > wireless broadband hot spot for us, I certainly wouldn't mind. > > Pasted from the bulk email I got from Stance this week: > > This is just a pre-reminder of the next San Antonio Computer Show. > > > > Date: SEPTEMBER 11-12 > > Location: Live Oak Civic Center / 8101 Pat Booker Rd. @ Loop 1604 > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Sep 2 01:54:09 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Sep 2 00:38:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? In-Reply-To: <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <5ubdj01vh9tgpk0vjcaenbuo7eh1s39pjm@4ax.com> On 01 Sep 2004 22:53:44 -0500, Chuck wrote: > I can get the signs and Dell400 >demo computer to someone else on Friday and then be at the show Sunday. >Can I get it to you Don, or are you kinda packed with the other demo >computer??? How well does the sign break down into smaller pieces? I just have a small station wagon. Folding down the rear seat it can take 68" long (5'8") items but not more than 36" wide. If that top section is a single panel then it might require someone with a pickup. The Dell 400 and its related gear should not be a problem with sufficient notice. If the next SATLUG meeting is the 8th, I can probably pick it up then, otherwise the InstallFest this Saturday will have to do. --Don From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 2 02:01:19 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 2 00:45:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast??? In-Reply-To: <5ubdj01vh9tgpk0vjcaenbuo7eh1s39pjm@4ax.com> References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> <5ubdj01vh9tgpk0vjcaenbuo7eh1s39pjm@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1094104880.1123.44.camel@laptop> The meeting may be the best bet. It will probably take a pickup or van. Covered preferably since the sign is water vulnerable. Is there anyone on the list going to be at the meeting and can bring the sign to the Computer Blast Saturday morning??? It will get you a free entry into the show.... Chuck On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 00:54, Don Wright wrote: > On 01 Sep 2004 22:53:44 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > I can get the signs and Dell400 > >demo computer to someone else on Friday and then be at the show Sunday. > >Can I get it to you Don, or are you kinda packed with the other demo > >computer??? > > How well does the sign break down into smaller pieces? I just have a > small station wagon. Folding down the rear seat it can take 68" long > (5'8") items but not more than 36" wide. If that top section is a > single panel then it might require someone with a pickup. > > The Dell 400 and its related gear should not be a problem with > sufficient notice. If the next SATLUG meeting is the 8th, I can > probably pick it up then, otherwise the InstallFest this Saturday will > have to do. --Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mayonakaha at vashir.com Thu Sep 2 03:16:15 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (Mike Duncan) Date: Thu Sep 2 03:00:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4136D6CF.6050707@vashir.com> It took me awhile to get used to that, but I find it to be very useful. I have Gmail set to auto-label my mailing lists and some of them fit into the multiple-label category. It's nice to be able to just choose a label to view on the left side and everything without that label disappears. It was, however, very annoying at first getting used to it.. especially coming from folder-driven clients like OE, Thunderbird (which still I use for my personal addy because of the wonderful spam filter) and Evolution. Mike D Mike Wallace wrote: >Except labels aren't exactly folders. Instead of falling into some >folder hierarchy, a message can have one or many different labels >associated with it. If you had a one-to-one message-label >correspondence, it'd be exactly like a typical folder. > >This is another thing I really like about GMail. With other >folder-oriented progarms, you could only classify your messages in one >way. But with GMail, you can label the same message many times over. >Makes finding something much easier. > >-Mike > >On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:54:46 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > >>Matt, what you think are Folders, Gmail calls Labels. >> >> >> >>On 01 Sep 2004 15:23:17 -0500, Matt wrote: >> >> >>>Speaking of cons... >>> >>>WHERE ARE THE FOLDERS? >>> >>>It's so damn annoying to have 40+ messages in my main inbox page because >>>I can't tell when the conversation is done, etc.. >>> >>>Any advice? >>> >>>FIRESTORM_v1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 12:58, Sean Carolan wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Space, cool geek factor, easy keyboard shortcuts, universal access to >>>>your email from any javascript enabled browser, "conversations" view >>>>for discussion threads, these are some of the reasons people like it. >>>>Those are the pros. >>>> >>>>The cons are that google scans your email for keywords and shows you >>>>related text ads on the side of the page. >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Satlug mailing list >>>>Satlug@satlug.org >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Satlug mailing list >>>Satlug@satlug.org >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Jeremy >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- It's like an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a warm flour tortilla with sour cream and guacamole. From storey at clamp.ws Thu Sep 2 05:43:49 2004 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Thu Sep 2 04:30:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Blast???/sign transport In-Reply-To: <1094104880.1123.44.camel@laptop> References: <1094093353.1123.31.camel@laptop> <1094097225.1119.36.camel@laptop> <5ubdj01vh9tgpk0vjcaenbuo7eh1s39pjm@4ax.com> <1094104880.1123.44.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <4136EB55.5040309@clamp.ws> Chuck wrote: >The meeting may be the best bet. It will probably take a pickup or >van. Covered preferably since the sign is water vulnerable. > >Is there anyone on the list going to be at the meeting and can bring the >sign to the Computer Blast Saturday morning??? It will get you a free >entry into the show.... > > >Chuck > > > I plan to attend both, and I have a Ford Ranger with a low-fitted bed cover, not a camper shell, which will accomodate the sign if it is no larger than 4' by 6' . Storey From eli at then7.com Thu Sep 2 07:54:05 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Thu Sep 2 06:36:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] screen command loses colors Message-ID: <1094126045.b6d40474d1422@www.then7.com> When at a regular pts (from putty to a slackware server) colors are fine. When I enter "screen" at the command line, i lose my colors. Is there a way to get them back? tia, ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 09:23:39 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 2 08:05:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] need some help In-Reply-To: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> References: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1094138619.3041.9.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> What's up with your email address? Are you a spammer? On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 18:52, Nick Duffy wrote: > Ok guys,, I need some help, If anyone uses SuSe 9.0 and some good linux experiance can you e-mail me outside group . and I will send you my phone # > my e-mail should be in the header, but if not it is spammer@satx.rr.com. I ned some help w/ e-mail issues and some config problems I am having. I'm getting fustrated and need a litle coaching to help resolve these issues. > Thanks In advance > Nick > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From mester at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 09:26:48 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Thu Sep 2 08:11:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 Gmail invites In-Reply-To: <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04090113541d07b7a0@mail.gmail.com> <36217ddc040901155334b7e1cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41371F98.3060906@satx.rr.com> Mike Wallace wrote: >Except labels aren't exactly folders. Instead of falling into some >folder hierarchy, a message can have one or many different labels >associated with it. If you had a one-to-one message-label >correspondence, it'd be exactly like a typical folder. > >This is another thing I really like about GMail. With other >folder-oriented progarms, you could only classify your messages in one >way. But with GMail, you can label the same message many times over. >Makes finding something much easier. > > > > > Sounds like the Vfolders feature in Evolution. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Sep 2 10:37:51 2004 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Sep 2 09:22:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Announcement: [IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com: IEEE CTS COM/SP Chapter Meeting - Tues, Sep. 14th, 6:30 PM (Please RSVP)] Message-ID: <20040902143751.GB13712@mail.fortuitous.com> Here is the new IEEE COMSPC meeting announcement. Please take note of the new meeting location at the UT campus. Bon Appetit, Phil C. ----- Forwarded message from IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com ----- Subject: IEEE CTS COM/SP Chapter Meeting - Tues, Sep. 14th, 6:30 PM (Please RSVP) From: IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 06:57:19 EDT To: IEEECTSCOMMSP@aol.com The IEEE CTS Chapter ComSoc / Signal Processing Societies invites you to attend the Chapter's September Monthly Technical Evening Meeting, Tuesday September 14, 2004, between 6:30 PM and 9:00 PM CDT. The meeting will once again be held on the campus of the University of Texas at Austin, this time in the AVAYA Auditorium of the ACE building, which is on the south side of 24th street and Speedway. Parking will be in parking lot # 16 on the north side of 24th street by the ENS building. See below for directions and parking. (Note: We are no longer meeting at the SBC's Labs, Inc.) Topic: Broadband in the Last Mile, ( ADSL 2, ADSL 2 +, VDSL, PON). Presenter: Dean Bekken, Senior Product Line Manager, Carrier Networks, ADTRAN, Inc., Huntsville, AL. Abstract Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers (ILEC's), who need to protect and expand services and revenues, are moving to a packet-based future. The competition that these ILEC's face is from the Cable Operators, who are already providing high-speed video and data services. In order to provide these same services, the ILEC's are moving their broadband infrastructure closer to the residential customers, deploying PON and xDSL technologies. The equipment market offers a host of broadband access technologies (including ADSL2+, VDSL, and VDSL2) from which to choose that operate over the ILEC's existing copper twisted pairs. Of course, multiple Fiber-to-the-Premise (FTTP) technologies are also available if fiber is to be extended all the way to the residence. These loop technologies will be investigated in this presentation from both a theoretical and a practical approach to determine the best approach in trying to deploy enhanced bandwidth customer services. Biography Dean Bekken is a Senior Product Manager with ADTRAN Inc., a Huntsville, Alabama based telecommunications provider. Dean is working with both the ADTRAN DSLAM and FTTN product lines. He has over 15 years in the telecommunications industry. During his tenure, he has worked with numerous access technologies to include, DDS, ISDN, HDSLx, ADSL, Optical, and most recently ADSL2+ and VDSL. Additionally, he has worked with TDM, Frame Relay, ATM, and Ethernet based systems. During this time he has also worked with the numerous challenges involved in the mechanical aspects of system and OSP telecommunications design. ADTRAN, Inc. is one of the world's most successful telecom equipment suppliers, with a 16-year history of profitability and a portfolio of more than 1,300 solutions for use in the last mile of today's telecommunications networks. Widely deployed by both carriers and enterprises alike, ADTRAN solutions enable voice, data, video, and Internet communications across copper, fiber, and wireless network infrastructures. ADTRAN solutions are currently in use by every major domestic service provider and many international ones, as well as by thousands of public, private and government organizations worldwide. This presentation is open to both chapter members and non-members. Food and beverages will be served to attendees. If you plan to attend, please send e-mail to Howard Headrick at hfrjr@swbell.net for planning purposes. Maps and Directions Parking Meeting attendees will be able to park in Lot #16 (outside the ENS building) and park on the street (along 24th street and along San Jacinto) beginning at 5:45pm. The only caution to everyone is that those without a Faculty Permit must not park in any space that has a sign showing "F parking AT ALL TIMES". These spaces are reserved for those with faculty permits, so those without such a permit could be ticketed and towed away. Directions Exit I 35 at Dean Keaton (26th St.). Proceed west on Dean Keaton (towards the UTA Campus) to the intersection of Dean Keaton and San Jacinto, where you will turn left (south) onto San Jacinto. Proceed south on San Jacinto, approximately one block, past the parking garage on your left, and then proceed past the guard station to the intersection of 24th street and San Jacinto. Turn right (going west) on to 24th street. Drive over creek, past the Utility Services building on the right and then drive up to the construction on left and right. Either park on the street (24th street or around the corner on Speedway) or park in Parking Lot # 16, which will be to your right, in front of the ENS building. The ACE building, in which the AVAYA Auditorium is located, is just south of 24th street at Speedway. UPCOMING MEETINGS The IEEE CTS Chapter ComSoc / Signal Processing Societies' October Technical Monthly Evening Meeting will be back to the Chapter's regular meeting schedule of the 3rd Thursday evening of each month. Thus, the October Technical Monthly Evening Meeting will be on Thursday evening, October 14, 2004, between 6:30 P.M and 9:00 P.M. The place for this meeting will be announced in next month's meeting notice and in the upcoming Section newsletter. The topic will be an in-depth presentation in the pros and cons of Circuit Emulation over Ethernet, with emphasis on PWE3 and the trade-offs in service quality of circuit switched voice over Ethernet. The presenter will be Jim Tyndal, product manager, Cetreus Networks, Richardson, TX If you would like to give a presentation on a communications or signal processing topic, please contact Howard Headrick, e-mail: hfrjr@swbell.net. MONTHLY MEETING NOTICE The Chapter meets on the 3rd Thursday of each month at 6:30 PM until 9:30 PM. Please feel free to post meeting notices and invite guests. SOCIETY MEMBERSHIP We encourage you to join the Communications and Signal Processing Societies at http://www.ieee.org/membership/join/. If you're already a member, please encourage your associates to join one or both societies. IEEE membership provides a variety of benefits to its members ranging from technical publications to conferences to career development assistance to financial services. IEEE MEMBERSHIP RENEWAL AND UPDATE Current members can renew their membership and update their information (including e-mail address) at http://www.ieee.org/membership/coa.html. CTS IEEE COM/SP SOCIETY OFFICERS Howard Headrick Chairman hfrjr@swbell.net Brandon Imboden Executive Vice-Chairman Brandon.Imboden@Broadwing.com Scott Atkinson Vice-Chairman of Conferences scotta@ICSIconsulting.com Les Johnson Vice-Chairman of Membership L.Johnson@IEEE.org Hanan Potash Secretary potash@flash.net Rick Talbot Treasurer rtalbot@austin.rr.com Mark Brockman Dir, Student Activities & Speakers Bureau mark.brockman@sbc.com CTS IEEE COM/SP SOCIETY DISTRIBUTION LIST To be added to or deleted from the chapter mailing list, please send name and e-mail address to Les Johnson (mailto:L.Johnson@IEEE.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -Phil Carinhas -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas | pac(at)fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc. | http://fortuitous.com | | Linux Consulting & Training | Tel : 1-512-218-9561 | `--------------------------------------------------------' From edcoates at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 11:13:51 2004 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Thu Sep 2 09:58:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] need some help In-Reply-To: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> References: <001901c4908f$7e515900$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd04090208132ff5b050@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:52:24 -0500, Nick Duffy wrote: > Ok guys,, I need some help, If anyone uses SuSe 9.0 and some good linux experiance can you e-mail me outside group . and I will send you my phone # > my e-mail should be in the header, but if not it is spammer@satx.rr.com. I ned some help w/ e-mail issues and some config problems I am having. I'm getting fustrated and need a litle coaching to help resolve these issues. > Thanks In advance > Nick > _______________________________________________ I've used 9.0, and I'm currently using 9.1 at home. What can I do to help you? Ed/KB8FZQ From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 2 13:00:43 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 2 11:45:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Monthly meeting and InstallFest Message-ID: <1094144444.1119.110.camel@laptop> Hi Everyone, Don't forget next week's meeting. We've got a couple nice presentations lined up. See the webpage for information. And also don't forget the Installfest THIS weekend. We need as many volunteers as possible to make it a success. Can we please get people to send us your name and when you'll be able to help out. We need to be sure we are covered all day. Thanks everyone and have a good holiday weekend. Chuck From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 14:24:44 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Sep 2 13:09:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Monthly meeting and InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1094144444.1119.110.camel@laptop> References: <1094144444.1119.110.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <277020fc040902112441df5b24@mail.gmail.com> Chuck: The website says "Thursday, August 12th". Is that a typo? Should it say Thursday, September 9th? thanks Sean From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 14:59:36 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 2 13:41:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] sending a mail message with nail using script Message-ID: <1094158775.3041.15.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> I have this script: tar cfvj $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 files/ echo "archive for $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 attached" > send_archive.txt nail my_email@email.com -v -s "umod archive for $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2" -a $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 -q send_archive.txt rm send_archive.txt The problem is that it goes into interactive mode. I did a "man nail" and could not find a non-interactive option, though it does mention it. -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 15:05:05 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 2 13:47:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: sending a mail message with nail using script In-Reply-To: <1094158775.3041.15.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1094158775.3041.15.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1094159105.3041.17.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Figured it out. I have to type << EOF at the end of the line. Who knew? On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 13:59, N. David Guarneri wrote: > I have this script: > > tar cfvj $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 files/ > echo "archive for $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 attached" > send_archive.txt > nail my_email@email.com -v -s "umod archive for $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2" > -a $(date +%m%d).tar.bz2 -q send_archive.txt > rm send_archive.txt > > The problem is that it goes into interactive mode. I did a "man nail" > and could not find a non-interactive option, though it does mention it. -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 16:35:41 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 2 15:17:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 1 gmail account click here hurry Message-ID: <1094164541.6620.0.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> First click first serve! http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-f7fc773a31-ce29f01bc4-d34339ae53 -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From bamm at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 2 17:06:28 2004 From: bamm at satx.rr.com (Bamm Visscher) Date: Thu Sep 2 15:56:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Snort Users Road Trip Message-ID: <20040902210628.GR6847@syn.bamm.net> I am driving up to Dallas on Saturday, Sept 11th for the North Texas Snort Users Group (http://www.ntsug.org) meeting. If anyone is interested in going along, I have plenty of room. Bammkkkk From miguel.figueroa at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 17:42:25 2004 From: miguel.figueroa at gmail.com (Miguel Figueroa) Date: Thu Sep 2 16:26:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 12 Gmail invites available, click and win! Message-ID: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-0bb7a8e96b-baeb363876 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4b7473fd27-88e5680b5d http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-582abf4cce-824713b131 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-59831b300d-29e641a0f0 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4e871a5ea0-f864733589 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-d06ea188d1-7a6273f630 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-8132d3eb29-6f74b01f85 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-d36452314a-78da7fc0f3 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7edc5f8d0f-03da8f8c44 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7bf8aaaa69-d2f032692d http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-33b178335d-c34596a7fe http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-cd3cd17e08-2751d093c2 From johnshanks at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 19:27:05 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Thu Sep 2 18:11:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Help for a new Linux user at the SAC InstallFest Message-ID: <545786a604090216273b9b7990@mail.gmail.com> I'm hoping to set up a dual boot on my laptop this Sat using XP. I messed around with Red Hat a while ago, but I don't really know the differences between the distributions. Can anyone give me advice about what will be there to put on, as well as what you would recommend? From dudenik at ftnetwork.com Thu Sep 2 17:09:45 2004 From: dudenik at ftnetwork.com (dudenik@ftnetwork.com) Date: Thu Sep 2 18:29:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] microscopic orincoco ant plug Message-ID: <0338b4509230294MAIL001@mail001.magically.com> hey Jeremy: i found that plug for your wireless card after your presentation last meeting, tried the bigjinsa@satlug.org bot it bounced. john mashl dudenik@ftnetwork.com ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Visit the web site of the Financial Times at http://www.ft.com From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 19:50:32 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Sep 2 18:34:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Help for a new Linux user at the SAC InstallFest In-Reply-To: <545786a604090216273b9b7990@mail.gmail.com> References: <545786a604090216273b9b7990@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc040902165013090d80@mail.gmail.com> John: For someone new to Linux I would recommend Fedora Core 2 or Mandrake. Both are pretty easy to configure and setup. From johnshanks at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 20:54:55 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Thu Sep 2 19:39:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 12 Gmail invites available, click and win! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <545786a604090217544494d949@mail.gmail.com> Well, that's interesting. Only two used, but whoever made them used the bottom links, expecting the invites to have been snapped up. On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:42:25 -0500, Miguel Figueroa wrote: > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-0bb7a8e96b-baeb363876 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4b7473fd27-88e5680b5d > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-582abf4cce-824713b131 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-59831b300d-29e641a0f0 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4e871a5ea0-f864733589 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-d06ea188d1-7a6273f630 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-8132d3eb29-6f74b01f85 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-d36452314a-78da7fc0f3 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7edc5f8d0f-03da8f8c44 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7bf8aaaa69-d2f032692d > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-33b178335d-c34596a7fe > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-cd3cd17e08-2751d093c2 > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From ramadoss at gbronline.com Thu Sep 2 22:50:55 2004 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Thu Sep 2 21:34:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 12 Gmail invites available, click and win! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20040902215019.009ff050@mail.gbronline.com> thanks. I have used one of them. Ramadoss -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 08/27/04 From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 22:54:56 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Thu Sep 2 21:39:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing List Message-ID: <128bff2f04090219542cfa932f@mail.gmail.com> Does mailman allow for file attachments ? I have an E-mail that goes out everyday that has an excel file attachment that is nearly 500kb. I would like to be able to set something up so people can subscribe and unsubscribe on ther own. Thanks Zeb From goodnews2me at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 00:18:10 2004 From: goodnews2me at yahoo.com (Ed M) Date: Thu Sep 2 23:02:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 12 Gmail invites available, click and win! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4137F082.6040909@yahoo.com> So, just for S&G, I picked the top one, replaced Miguel's info with my own, and created my first Gmail account (I guess we /have/ reached saturation!) Right off the top, I find I have six invites waiting for me. Even though I've never asked for one, and only know one person, in RL, that has an account... Thanks, Miguel!! Ed M. Miguel Figueroa wrote: > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-0bb7a8e96b-baeb363876 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4b7473fd27-88e5680b5d > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-582abf4cce-824713b131 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-59831b300d-29e641a0f0 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-4e871a5ea0-f864733589 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-2bc00986f0-d06ea188d1-7a6273f630 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-8132d3eb29-6f74b01f85 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-d36452314a-78da7fc0f3 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7edc5f8d0f-03da8f8c44 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-7bf8aaaa69-d2f032692d > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-33b178335d-c34596a7fe > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-444cb9b9fb-cd3cd17e08-2751d093c2 > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 08:05:37 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Sep 3 06:50:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] microscopic orincoco ant plug In-Reply-To: <0338b4509230294MAIL001@mail001.magically.com> References: <0338b4509230294MAIL001@mail001.magically.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090305057404da20@mail.gmail.com> Hey, thanks. Just bring it to the meeting on the 8th. On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:09:45 -0700, dudenik@ftnetwork.com wrote: > hey Jeremy: > i found that plug for your wireless card after your presentation last meeting, tried the bigjinsa@satlug.org bot it bounced. > john mashl > dudenik@ftnetwork.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Visit the web site of the Financial Times at http://www.ft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Sep 3 09:05:07 2004 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Sep 3 07:49:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing List In-Reply-To: <128bff2f04090219542cfa932f@mail.gmail.com> "from Zeb Fletcher at Sep 2, 2004 09:54:56 pm" Message-ID: <20040903130507.35B4FDBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Does mailman allow for file attachments ? I have an E-mail that goes > out everyday that has an excel file attachment that is nearly 500kb. I > would like to be able to set something up so people can subscribe and > unsubscribe on ther own. Mailman *can* be configured to allow attachments, but there's no way I'd personally allow it unless the list was moderated: the current malware-infested environment has to be considered. You'll also have to bump up the max message size to accommodate whatever you'll be posting. All these things are configurable via the mailman admin interface (list owner). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 11:07:27 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Fri Sep 3 09:49:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox Message-ID: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Does anyone know how to turn three songs into one song using sox? Someone here at work is doing a presentation and needs to do this. I have plenty of music tools at home (sony soundforge comes to mind) but they need this today. Thanks! -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 3 12:17:38 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:00:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox In-Reply-To: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> Quoting "N. David Guarneri" : > Does anyone know how to turn three songs into one song using sox? > Someone here at work is doing a presentation and needs to do this. I > have plenty of music tools at home (sony soundforge comes to mind) but > they need this today. Thanks! > > -- > "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed > and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > cat? (linux) type? (windows) ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 12:28:24 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:10:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox In-Reply-To: <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> References: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> Message-ID: <1094236103.9744.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Yeah, cat did not work very well. I used ">" for the first file and then ">>" for the other files but it only seemed to record the first song. I opted to record each song to my sony minidisc and then record it back to the laptop. On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 09:17, Eli Cantu wrote: > Quoting "N. David Guarneri" : > > > Does anyone know how to turn three songs into one song using sox? > > Someone here at work is doing a presentation and needs to do this. I > > have plenty of music tools at home (sony soundforge comes to mind) but > > they need this today. Thanks! > > > > -- > > "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed > > and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > cat? (linux) > type? (windows) > > ~e > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From mester at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 12:31:44 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:15:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console Message-ID: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> Does anyone know if there is a VNC administration console available for Linux? At work, I currently use a Windows-based solution ( http://vncon.chronetal.co.uk/ ), but I would like to be able to do this from my Debian box. TIA. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 12:38:40 2004 From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (mattvaldes@satx.rr.com) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:22:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox Message-ID: <367af636a807.36a807367af6@texas.rr.com> Does it *have* to be sox? I'm not sure sox can do that.. If not, this should work: http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/linux-music.html#mp3wrap -Matt : > Does anyone know how to turn three songs into one >song using sox? > Someone here at work is doing a presentation and >needs to do this. I have plenty of music tools at >home (sony soundforge comes to > mind) but they need this today. Thanks! From eli at then7.com Fri Sep 3 12:47:27 2004 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Fri Sep 3 11:29:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox In-Reply-To: <1094236103.9744.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> <1094236103.9744.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1094230047.f48b5b1c2c0f5@www.then7.com> Quoting "N. David Guarneri" : > Yeah, cat did not work very well. I used ">" for the first file and then > ">>" for the other files but it only seemed to record the first song. I > opted to record each song to my sony minidisc and then record it back to > the laptop. hmmm, oh well. worked for me on windows using mp3s. combined 3 just fine. ~e ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 13:18:44 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Sep 3 12:03:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090310184e8172fe@mail.gmail.com> Hey, that looks neat! But to answer you're question, no I don't know of anything like for Linux. You might take a look at KDE's Remote Connection. I *think* it has a browse function. On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:31:44 -0500, Mike Ester wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a VNC administration console available for > Linux? > > At work, I currently use a Windows-based solution ( > http://vncon.chronetal.co.uk/ ), but I would like to be able to do this > from my Debian box. > > TIA. > > -- > Mike Ester > 830-822-2241 > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Sep 3 13:33:26 2004 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Fri Sep 3 12:18:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> TightVNC I've used it in the past when doing the same thing you aretrying. Charles Mike Ester wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a VNC administration console available > for Linux? > > At work, I currently use a Windows-based solution ( > http://vncon.chronetal.co.uk/ ), but I would like to be able to do > this from my Debian box. > > TIA. > From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 14:31:14 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Fri Sep 3 13:13:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] stringing three song files together with sox In-Reply-To: <1094230047.f48b5b1c2c0f5@www.then7.com> References: <1094231247.6632.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <1094228258.cf6beb9dcded8@www.then7.com> <1094236103.9744.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <1094230047.f48b5b1c2c0f5@www.then7.com> Message-ID: <1094243473.9744.4.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 09:47, Eli Cantu wrote: > > worked for me on windows using mp3s. combined 3 just fine. > > ~e These were *.wmv . I asked them to get mp3's but they never got around. Fortunately I have Windows Media Player installed on my SUSE laptop. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 14:40:12 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri Sep 3 13:24:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20040903130507.35B4FDBDD@gherkin.frus.com> References: <128bff2f04090219542cfa932f@mail.gmail.com> <20040903130507.35B4FDBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f040903114042cc2b07@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:05:07 -0500 (CDT), Bob Tracy wrote: > > > Zeb Fletcher wrote: > > Does mailman allow for file attachments ? I have an E-mail that goes > > out everyday that has an excel file attachment that is nearly 500kb. I > > would like to be able to set something up so people can subscribe and > > unsubscribe on ther own. > > Mailman *can* be configured to allow attachments, but there's no way > I'd personally allow it unless the list was moderated: the current > malware-infested environment has to be considered. You'll also have > to bump up the max message size to accommodate whatever you'll be > posting. All these things are configurable via the mailman admin > interface (list owner). > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Sep 3 14:47:06 2004 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Sep 3 13:32:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest Message-ID: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> *InstallFest Tomorrow* We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed up to have Linux installed on their computers. The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for the WORKERS ONLY. I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from 9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. Steve From mester at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 15:17:19 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Fri Sep 3 14:01:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4138C33F.6040307@satx.rr.com> Charles D Hogan wrote: > TightVNC > > I've used it in the past when doing the same thing you aretrying. > > Charles > > Mike Ester wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is a VNC administration console available >> for Linux? >> >> At work, I currently use a Windows-based solution ( >> http://vncon.chronetal.co.uk/ ), but I would like to be able to do >> this from my Debian box. >> >> TIA. >> > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > I apologize for not making my scenario more specific. I already run VNC servers on the boxes in my computer labs, and use VNCon on a WinXP Pro box to log on to them. This is much faster than physically going from machine to machine. VNCon makes it easy to keep the IP addresses and name in a list that I can use to select the specific machine I want to connect to. I was just wondering if there was a Linux-based solution for this. Yes, I could use something like xvncviewer, but this would require me to manually enter the machine's address each time I wanted to connect. This gets cumbersome when I only have about 30 minutes between groups to log on 56 workstations and prepare them for a class. It would not be the end of the world if I didn't find one. It would just be cool to be able to do this from my Debian box; instead of my XP box. Unfortunately, I am not a coding Jedi, or I would just create one myself. On a side note, I really appreciate SATLUG letting me lurk on the mailing list. I learn a bit by reading the posts. Thanx to all for a friendly mailing list. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ From wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 20:10:55 2004 From: wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (WrkWatchr) Date: Fri Sep 3 14:10:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Help for a new Linux user at the SAC InstallFest References: <545786a604090216273b9b7990@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "john shanks" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Help for a new Linux user at the SAC InstallFest > I'm hoping to set up a dual boot on my laptop this Sat using XP. I > messed around with Red Hat a while ago, but I don't really know the > differences between the distributions. > > Can anyone give me advice about what will be there to put on, as well > as what you would recommend? > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John, I just went through the same exercise and learned a few things. Before you begin, search the net thoroughly and make sure your Distro of choice is compatible with your laptop...my original choice wasn't. Secondly, I found that Partition Magic was the easiest way to resize my original XP partition to give me room for the SuSE install I ended up using per the recommendations found on the internet. While RH wouldn't work, SuSE works fine. The newer your laptop is, the more likely you'll run into problems with the most common being video, display, sound and laptop power management. Bottom line...do your homework first. Roy From jmz at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 16:22:45 2004 From: jmz at satx.rr.com (John Ziriax) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:07:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <1094242965.21987.5.camel@klaus.home.net> I'm in. What distro's do they want? FCx RHx.... John On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 13:47, steve kolars wrote: > *InstallFest Tomorrow* > > We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed > up to have Linux installed on their computers. > > The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here > by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new > coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share > lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for > the WORKERS ONLY. > > I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from > 9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim > session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. > > Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Sep 3 16:34:53 2004 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:19:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1094242965.21987.5.camel@klaus.home.net> References: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> <1094242965.21987.5.camel@klaus.home.net> Message-ID: <4138D56D.1060707@cis.sac.accd.edu> John Ziriax wrote: >I'm in. What distro's do they want? FCx RHx.... > >John > >On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 13:47, steve kolars wrote: > > >>*InstallFest Tomorrow* >> >>We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed >>up to have Linux installed on their computers. >> >>The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here >>by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new >>coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share >>lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for >>the WORKERS ONLY. >> >>I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from >>9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim >>session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. >> >>Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. >> >>Steve >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > Typically we install Redhat 9.0. That is the distro we use in the class rooms. The students like to have the same distro at home. If it is someone that has just come in for the InstallFest, and they are not a student, then we normally install anything they want. From chardon47 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 14:50:09 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:34:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <4138BC2A.2000504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <20040903205009.57038.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Excuse my ignorance, but where is this located? steve kolars wrote:*InstallFest Tomorrow* We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed up to have Linux installed on their computers. The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for the WORKERS ONLY. I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from 9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. Steve _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Illegitimus non Carborundum" "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Fri Sep 3 16:54:42 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:38:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: <4138C33F.6040307@satx.rr.com> (Mike Ester's message of "Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:17:19 -0500") References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> <4138C33F.6040307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, Mike Ester said: > It would not be the end of the world if I didn't find one. It would > just be cool to be able to do this from my Debian box; instead of my > XP box. Unfortunately, I am not a coding Jedi, or I would just create > one myself. rathkopf@fester ~ 503 $ apt-cache show rfb Package: rfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 666 Maintainer: Ola Lundqvist Architecture: i386 Version: 0.6.1-6 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3-1), libxclass0, xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) Filename: pool/main/r/rfb/rfb_0.6.1-6_i386.deb Size: 263648 MD5sum: bc1613e2a8aeb85d43f7429594b5dca7 Description: VNC Server for X11 - exports current display Like the xvncserver package, x0rfbserver exports an X display using the RFB protocol. . Unlike xvncserver which creates a virtual X11 display to export, x0rfbserver actually exports the display it is run in... just like the windows VNC server. . Also included are rfb utilities to capture and replay RFB data streams, and a vnc viewer. -- Ted Rathkopf From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Sep 3 17:06:10 2004 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:51:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <20040903205009.57038.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903205009.57038.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4138DCC2.7060900@cis.sac.accd.edu> Bill wrote: >Excuse my ignorance, but where is this located? > >steve kolars wrote:*InstallFest Tomorrow* > >We need all the help we can get--as of this e-mail 33 people have signed >up to have Linux installed on their computers. > >The InstallFest officially begins at 9 a.m. Glenn and I should be here >by 8 a.m. As has become the custom, we will have coffee (in a new >coffee pot), doughnuts, and orange juice. Come early, eat, and share >lies. Also, we will have sandwich stuff at lunch time. The food is for >the WORKERS ONLY. > >I will be giving an Introduction to Linux session that is scheduled from >9 - 11 a.m., and Heidi Webb will be giving an Introduction to vim >session that is scheduled from 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. > >Hope to see quite a few SATLUGgers tomorrow morning. > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > >Bill Hatfield K5KCR > >"Illegitimus non Carborundum" > >"Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > San Antonio College, Nail Technical Center, see map: http://www.accd.edu/sac/sacmain/map/sacmap.htm From junkmailer at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 19:23:52 2004 From: junkmailer at satx.rr.com (Luis) Date: Fri Sep 3 17:59:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack Message-ID: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> It appears that some one has found out that I have been using linux. In my /var/log/secure, I have found: Failed password for illegal user admin from 202.114.88.96 port 36122 ssh2 sshd[2479]: Failed password for illegal user test from 212.234.101.249 port 53231 ssh2 sshd[2573]: scanned from 66.15.86.156 with SSH-1.0-SSH_Version_Mapper. Don't panic. I have put them in my /etc/hosts.deny. cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd | while read a > do > passwd -S $a > done I did a nslookup on the IP address and a whois on the name server. I emailed the admin to let them know about the abuse fromtheir user. In the old days they used to knock off users for that. Any other suggestions? From leoem at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 3 19:33:34 2004 From: leoem at satx.rr.com (Leo E. Midha) Date: Fri Sep 3 18:17:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack In-Reply-To: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200409032333.i83NXRHv020859@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> Like the log says, don't panic. This are common probes. I wouldn't worry about it unless you say a successful login. If you still feel not secure, then I would suggest you look at setting up an iptables firewall ruleset which was "stealth" these kinds of ports. NetrixTardis -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT d--- s:- a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+++ N o- K--- w O+ M V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t++ 5++ X+ R* tv++ b+ DI+ D+ G e h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Luis Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:24 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack It appears that some one has found out that I have been using linux. In my /var/log/secure, I have found: Failed password for illegal user admin from 202.114.88.96 port 36122 ssh2 sshd[2479]: Failed password for illegal user test from 212.234.101.249 port 53231 ssh2 sshd[2573]: scanned from 66.15.86.156 with SSH-1.0-SSH_Version_Mapper. Don't panic. I have put them in my /etc/hosts.deny. cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd | while read a > do > passwd -S $a > done I did a nslookup on the IP address and a whois on the name server. I emailed the admin to let them know about the abuse fromtheir user. In the old days they used to knock off users for that. Any other suggestions? _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 21:57:52 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Sep 3 20:42:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack In-Reply-To: <200409032333.i83NXRHv020859@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> References: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> <200409032333.i83NXRHv020859@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <345e55a504090318572eb04839@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:33:34 -0500, Leo E. Midha wrote: > Like the log says, don't panic. This are common probes. I wouldn't worry > about it unless you say a successful login. I doubt that you would see a successful login (from a cracker) in that file. They would most likely cover their tracks. But I'm not a security expert. Greg From johnshanks at gmail.com Sat Sep 4 18:47:57 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Sat Sep 4 17:32:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE Message-ID: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the problem was, but I had to leave at 12. Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? From ziriax at gmail.com Sat Sep 4 23:20:22 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Sat Sep 4 22:04:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> John, Sadly, there was not really a fix for some of the computers. According to the theory we had at the time Grub changed the disk geometry table. There are instructions for fixing the table on the web, but they didn't work for the Sony desktop I was working on. From a brief review there's a lot on the web about this. I don't think that it is entirely limited to FC 2. Here's this link we were following the afternoon. At least is did not damage on the Sony. http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ Here's another link at RH. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg02143.html Another suggested setting the BIOS for the HD to LBA instead of auto. No joy for the Sony here either. This links suggests a way to fix windows, but make sure you have a Linux boot disk. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg01918.html I'm wondering if this is an XP/Linux problem. Possibly intentional on the part of..... Am I getting paranoid? Any how, I still have some reading to do. The bug didn't crop up in my install of RHEL with XP on my Inspiron 8600. Does anybody have anything to add from their experiences? I hate seeing people at the installfest have such troubles and we did a number of very successful installs. Including one on a dual processor Dell with XP and FC 2!!! Go figure. John On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:47:57 -0500, john shanks wrote: > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > _______________________________________________ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Sep 5 03:24:04 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Sep 5 02:08:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 802.11 pcmcia cards, polarization In-Reply-To: <41363F4D.1090703@liberto.org> References: <41363F4D.1090703@liberto.org> Message-ID: <200409050224.05520.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 04:29 pm, Andrew Hodel wrote: > Are 802.11 pcmcia cards vertically or horizontally polarized? It seems > they would be horizontally, however most external antenna on AP's are > vertically polarized (orientated at least). Considering that if most > cards are horizontally polarized, what is the reasoning behind this? Probably cost... they figure no one will care(?!)... But you're right. That being said though, there are vertically polarized cards available: http://www.spd.co.uk/product.asp?dept%5Fid=83&sku=394 But to metch tings up better at home, you can get yourself some H-polarized antenna for your home APs: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/base.shtml (or just turn your home AP antennas sideways.. ;) And you can now also get some really kick butt "Multi-polarization" or MP antennas out there now for your APs: http://www.connectronics.com/wifi_plus/ I think they're calling this "WiFi-Plus" or something stupid like that. Or.. if you're using the ORiNOCO Gold PC card the Jeremy recommends... You can get a little mini Vert antenna for your PC card: http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-58-ProdID-ARLXOMMINI2400.php Hmm.. seems like all the hard core W.drivers use this little ORiNOCO Gold... :u> Cheers, Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Sep 5 03:41:02 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Sep 5 02:25:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Bandwidth-o-meter? In-Reply-To: <1094070097.12054.3.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1094070097.12054.3.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <200409050241.02694.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Matt... It's probably build into the server you're wanting to test.. It's a daemon on most UN*X systems called "chargen". It runs on port 19, and on most modern linux systems it's a subdaemon of xinetd. You turn on the daemon, like this: # chkconfig --list |grep chargen chargen-udp: off chargen: off # chkconfig chargen on # chkconfig --list |grep chargen chargen-udp: off chargen: on Use UDP for real high speed tests, or tests taht have a lot of hops (I would guess). You telnet to this port and you get.. well.. a stream of char-data like this: # telnet theweeks.org 19 Trying 64.39.31.80... Connected to theweeks.org. Escape character is '^]'. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefgh "#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghi #$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghij $%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijk %&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijkl &'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklm '()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmn ()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmno )*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnop ... w/metrics from ifconfig or netmon... you can get max bandwidth stats... You get the picture? If you're running Windows(on the client side), there's a client called NetScanTools that has a build in chargen (bandwidth) client I think... http://www.extralan.co.uk/products/Diagnostic-Tools/NetScan-Tools-Pro.htm (check out the eval version) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Sep 5 04:13:06 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Sep 5 02:57:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack In-Reply-To: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> References: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200409050313.06570.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 03 September 2004 06:23 pm, Luis wrote: > It appears that some one has found out that I have been using linux. > > In my /var/log/secure, I have found: > > Failed password for illegal user admin from 202.114.88.96 port 36122 ssh2 > sshd[2479]: Failed password for illegal user test from 212.234.101.249 > port 53231 ssh2 > sshd[2573]: scanned from 66.15.86.156 with SSH-1.0-SSH_Version_Mapper. > Don't panic. Yeah... standard attempts when you're right on the internet... Couple of things to do... 1) Shut off sshv1 if not already off.. It's weak and has vulnerabilities: # cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... #Port 22 Protocol 2 #Protocol 2,1 #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 ... (sshv1 CRC exploit is actually how trinity hacked into the Matrix in reloaded: http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap_inthenews.html Guess they don't even patch against 200 year old exploits.. ;) Unless... getting portscanned by trinity is appealing to you.. ;) no.. never mind.. (not a word Craig!)... next... 2) Block all SSH access accept from your "Ok" IP range w/iptables ("/etc/sysconfig/iptables" in RedHat systems): -A INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.0.0/23 -d 0/0 -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT ... -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -j REJECT (warning.. this last one blocks is all... only use to lock out everything out you don't allow in. Also... stop using hosts.allow/deny after turning this on) 3) I recommend running portsentry along with your iptables: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sentrytools/ This'll keep portscanning kiddies off your back. Here's an article I wrote on it: http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=7459/uni1030462740022/ (if anyone sees any typos.. let me know.. my glassea are proken, it's 3am, and I'm a bit groggy...) Cheers, Tweeks From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sun Sep 5 09:42:34 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sun Sep 5 08:26:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail Tools Message-ID: <128bff2f040905064244f02660@mail.gmail.com> since about everyone has a gmail account now, check this link out for tools on using it more efficent. http://www.marklyon.org/gmail/gmailapps.htm There is a toolbar app for firefox. From bryan.scott at gmail.com Sun Sep 5 13:10:06 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Sun Sep 5 11:54:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Does not sound like fun. I have been fixing my laptop since yesterday about 7pm. I removed Debian, cause I did not like grub..... Well that hosed the whole thing. In reading on the web I booted to the XP install disk and ran several things from the Recovery console fixmbr fixboot blah blah, well none of that worked. So booted the trusty rusty Knoppix the cfdisk to reinit the partition (supposedly the fixmbr may hose the partition) Basically just changed the partition from bootable to non bootable then back again and wrote the partion. Then rebooted XP install cd when to the install selected repair and it fixed the disk problems, then and then ... Installed Fedora C2.... and all is back to normal. Dual booting with FC2 and XP. I hope this helps, what I think happened was I corrupted the boot process and Windows was having no part of this so I ended up with the "Error loading operating system" msg. Oh BTW you may need to copy ntldr and ntdetect.com over to the "C:" Partition. and finally you may need to run bootcfg. Here are some links that helped me out. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/r_c_cmds.htm http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20668158.html http://www.techsupportforum.com/archive/index.php/t-9142.html http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20931986.html -Bryan -Bryan On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:20:22 -0500, John Ziriax wrote: > John, > > Sadly, there was not really a fix for some of the computers. According > to the theory we had at the time Grub changed the disk geometry table. > There are instructions for fixing the table on the web, but they > didn't work for the Sony desktop I was working on. From a brief review > there's a lot on the web about this. I don't think that it is entirely > limited to FC 2. > > Here's this link we were following the afternoon. At least is did not > damage on the Sony. > http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ > > Here's another link at RH. > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg02143.html > > Another suggested setting the BIOS for the HD to LBA instead of auto. > No joy for the Sony here either. > > This links suggests a way to fix windows, but make sure you have a > Linux boot disk. > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg01918.html > > I'm wondering if this is an XP/Linux problem. Possibly intentional on > the part of..... > Am I getting paranoid? > > Any how, I still have some reading to do. The bug didn't crop up in my > install of RHEL with XP on my Inspiron 8600. > > Does anybody have anything to add from their experiences? I hate > seeing people at the installfest have such troubles and we did a > number of very successful installs. Including one on a dual processor > Dell with XP and FC 2!!! Go figure. > > John > > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:47:57 -0500, john shanks wrote: > > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From ziriax at gmail.com Sun Sep 5 13:45:17 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Sun Sep 5 12:29:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: References: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e04090510457a3c6ac3@mail.gmail.com> Brian, Thanks for the links. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it. I don't have access to any of the affected machines or even an XP machine. If the people who are working on these machines could keep the list posted, maybe we could avoid this in the future. John On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:10:06 -0500, Bryan Scott wrote: > Does not sound like fun. I have been fixing my laptop since yesterday > about 7pm. I removed Debian, cause I did not like grub..... Well that > hosed the whole thing. In reading on the web I booted to the XP > install disk and ran several things from the Recovery console > > fixmbr > fixboot > > blah blah, well none of that worked. So booted the trusty rusty > Knoppix the cfdisk to reinit the partition (supposedly the fixmbr may > hose the partition) Basically just changed the partition from bootable > to non bootable then back again and wrote the partion. Then rebooted > XP install cd when to the install selected repair and it fixed the > disk problems, then and then ... Installed Fedora C2.... and all is > back to normal. Dual booting with FC2 and XP. I hope this helps, what > I think happened was I corrupted the boot process and Windows was > having no part of this so I ended up with the "Error loading operating > system" msg. Oh BTW you may need to copy ntldr and ntdetect.com over > to the "C:" Partition. and finally you may need to run bootcfg. > > Here are some links that helped me out. > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/r_c_cmds.htm > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20668158.html > http://www.techsupportforum.com/archive/index.php/t-9142.html > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20931986.html > > -Bryan > > -Bryan > > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:20:22 -0500, John Ziriax wrote: > > John, > > > > Sadly, there was not really a fix for some of the computers. According > > to the theory we had at the time Grub changed the disk geometry table. > > There are instructions for fixing the table on the web, but they > > didn't work for the Sony desktop I was working on. From a brief review > > there's a lot on the web about this. I don't think that it is entirely > > limited to FC 2. > > > > Here's this link we were following the afternoon. At least is did not > > damage on the Sony. > > http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ > > > > Here's another link at RH. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg02143.html > > > > Another suggested setting the BIOS for the HD to LBA instead of auto. > > No joy for the Sony here either. > > > > This links suggests a way to fix windows, but make sure you have a > > Linux boot disk. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg01918.html > > > > I'm wondering if this is an XP/Linux problem. Possibly intentional on > > the part of..... > > Am I getting paranoid? > > > > Any how, I still have some reading to do. The bug didn't crop up in my > > install of RHEL with XP on my Inspiron 8600. > > > > Does anybody have anything to add from their experiences? I hate > > seeing people at the installfest have such troubles and we did a > > number of very successful installs. Including one on a dual processor > > Dell with XP and FC 2!!! Go figure. > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:47:57 -0500, john shanks wrote: > > > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > > > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > > > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > > > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > > > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > > > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > > > > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > -- John From joe.speigle at jklh.us Sun Sep 5 23:25:13 2004 From: joe.speigle at jklh.us (joseph speigle) Date: Sun Sep 5 22:44:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] /var/log/secure: ssh attack In-Reply-To: <200409050313.06570.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>; from tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org on Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 03:13:06AM -0500 References: <4138FD08.2000907@satx.rr.com> <200409050313.06570.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <20040905222513.B6748@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> to whom it may concern, > > 1) Shut off sshv1 if not already off.. It's weak and has vulnerabilities: > # cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config > ... > #Port 22 > Protocol 2 > #Protocol 2,1 > #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 > ... > > (sshv1 CRC exploit is actually how trinity hacked into the Matrix in reloaded: > http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap_inthenews.html > Guess they don't even patch against 200 year old exploits.. ;) > don't forget they were stuck in the 21st century, so the exploit may not have been that old. > Unless... getting portscanned by trinity is appealing to you.. ;) > no.. never mind.. > (not a word Craig!)... > > next... > > 2) Block all SSH access accept from your "Ok" IP range w/iptables > ("/etc/sysconfig/iptables" in RedHat systems): > -A INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.0.0/23 -d 0/0 -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT > ... > -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -j REJECT > > (warning.. this last one blocks is all... only use to lock out everything out > you don't allow in. Also... stop using hosts.allow/deny after turning this > on) > > 3) I recommend running portsentry along with your iptables: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/sentrytools/ > > This'll keep portscanning kiddies off your back. > > Here's an article I wrote on it: > http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=7459/uni1030462740022/ > > (if anyone sees any typos.. let me know.. my glassea are proken, it's 3am, and > I'm a bit groggy...) > > Cheers, I think it is worthwhile to mention that name-based attacks (trying to guess username/password combos) or faulty setup configs are usually brute-force attacks by a technologically naive person, unlike the attacks which you never know you were infiltrated, whichIIRC are buffer exploits, and which drop to a root shell without writing to any log files. joe, "just another san antonio linux group member" From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Sep 6 09:04:55 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Sep 6 07:49:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] database visualization Message-ID: <200409061304.i86D4tRj032317@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Can someone recommend a stable, well-functional database visualization tool that can generate diagrams of connected database structures, foreign key constraints, that allows me to manipulate the layout in a graphical way. I tried dbViZ before, but development stopped and it never functioned correctly. Ideally, I would like to import a MySQL database definition file and have the program generate the database's graphical representation. Thanks, -Borries From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Sep 5 16:03:33 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Sep 6 07:51:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Skype Message-ID: <200409061307.i86D7f1W000598@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Has anyone here in SA used Skype for Linux yet? For those of you who don't know what Skype is (http://www.skype.com/): It's an application that let's you use a headset, broadband connection and a computer (Windows, Linux, Mac-OSX) with a sound card as a telephone. Anyone who is running skype can talk VoIP (voice over IP) to another skype user for *free*, regardless where in the world the other person is. For a very modest fee (2-3 cents/min), you can also call anyone in the world. It just installed it on my Linux box, it seems to work just fine, now I am looking for someone here in SA who wants to talk over skype so I can test it out. Anyone willing to give me a call? (userID: borries_demeler) For more information, take a look at today's New York Times article on skype. In Internet Calling, Skype Is Living Up to the Hype By JAMES FALLOWS Skype is the easiest, fastest and cheapest way for individual customers to use their computers with broadband connections as telephones. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/05/business/yourmoney/05tech.html?th -Borries From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Mon Sep 6 11:45:39 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Mon Sep 6 10:29:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> I had a similar problem with my HP Pavilion ze4400. I fought and fought trying to get a dual boot with XP and RH9. I did all my reading on the internet and discovered several recommendations that were similar...disable, this, change that kind of recommendations. All of these were to no avail. After several days of significant aggravation, I persevered and finally in a users group reply that I found I discovered someone who had successfully accomplished what I wanted to do...almost. Basically, I discovered my laptop was not RH friendly, but it was SuSE friendly. I tried SuSE 8.2 professional, and it installed easily and has been working without a hitch. My recommendation is that if RH/FC isn't working, try SuSE or other Distros until you find one that works the way you want. Hope this helps. Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of John Ziriax Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:20 PM To: john shanks; The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE John, Sadly, there was not really a fix for some of the computers. According to the theory we had at the time Grub changed the disk geometry table. There are instructions for fixing the table on the web, but they didn't work for the Sony desktop I was working on. From a brief review there's a lot on the web about this. I don't think that it is entirely limited to FC 2. Here's this link we were following the afternoon. At least is did not damage on the Sony. http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ Here's another link at RH. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg02143.html Another suggested setting the BIOS for the HD to LBA instead of auto. No joy for the Sony here either. This links suggests a way to fix windows, but make sure you have a Linux boot disk. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg01918.html I'm wondering if this is an XP/Linux problem. Possibly intentional on the part of..... Am I getting paranoid? Any how, I still have some reading to do. The bug didn't crop up in my install of RHEL with XP on my Inspiron 8600. Does anybody have anything to add from their experiences? I hate seeing people at the installfest have such troubles and we did a number of very successful installs. Including one on a dual processor Dell with XP and FC 2!!! Go figure. John On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:47:57 -0500, john shanks wrote: > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From ziriax at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 12:01:43 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Mon Sep 6 10:46:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> References: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: <31bde60e04090609012e382404@mail.gmail.com> Roy, Thanks for the suggestion. That's one of my favorite solutions, and the reason, or so I tell myself, that I download and burn so many distros. And, I think that was tried out of desperation with some of the systems. We were limited by the needs of the class which required RH9, so we were mostly stuck with RH9 and FC 1 & 2. We did set up on Compaq laptop with Knoppix because none of the RH distros would the keyboard. In a prior installfest, I put Libranet 2.7 on a laptop and it worked quite nicely, finding almost all of the hardware and adding lots of laptop tools. Our biggest problem was that this hit us on several computers with XP (all HPs and a Sony) at the same time. We were not prepared as I don't think many SATLUGGERS are running XP. I had read the warning about FC2 and XP when it came out, but had forgotten it by the installfest. Plus, and this is the part that confuses me, the fixes for that particular bug did not work!! John On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:45:39 -0500, Wrkwatchr wrote: > I had a similar problem with my HP Pavilion ze4400. I fought and fought > trying to get a dual boot with XP and RH9. I did all my reading on the > internet and discovered several recommendations that were similar...disable, > this, change that kind of recommendations. All of these were to no avail. > After several days of significant aggravation, I persevered and finally in a > users group reply that I found I discovered someone who had successfully > accomplished what I wanted to do...almost. Basically, I discovered my laptop > was not RH friendly, but it was SuSE friendly. I tried SuSE 8.2 > professional, and it installed easily and has been working without a hitch. > My recommendation is that if RH/FC isn't working, try SuSE or other Distros > until you find one that works the way you want. > > Hope this helps. > > Roy > -- John From ziriax at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 12:06:07 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Mon Sep 6 10:50:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail and top/bottom posting Message-ID: <31bde60e04090609064ba122ac@mail.gmail.com> I ducked out on the last top/bottom posting discussion. I remember someone mentioning that Gmail tended to produce top posting, but I noticed that the signature is inserted at the bottom. Is there any other "feature" of Gmail which pushes us one way or the other. Reply starts you at the top of the message. Personally, I think we are going to be stuck with both, and for some messages, say with lists of questions, I've been inclined to weave my responses into the original message just using separate lines and margins. -- John From rthomas at texas.net Mon Sep 6 12:28:17 2004 From: rthomas at texas.net (Robert J. Thomas) Date: Mon Sep 6 11:12:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE References: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> <31bde60e04090609012e382404@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01c4942e$84cf96a0$c901a8c0@Tomservo> Friends, Have you considered using the Windows Bootloader? I have used the instructions found at: http://www.littlewhitedog.com/content-52.html and have successfully installed Fedora Core 1 with Windows 2000. I am guessing that you could do the same for XP. This might be a good work-around for most any distro. Best Regards, -Bob T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ziriax" To: "Wrkwatchr" Cc: "The San Antonio Linux User's GroupMailing List" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE > Roy, > > Thanks for the suggestion. That's one of my favorite solutions, and > the reason, or so I tell myself, that I download and burn so many > distros. And, I think that was tried out of desperation with some of > the systems. We were limited by the needs of the class which required > RH9, so we were mostly stuck with RH9 and FC 1 & 2. We did set up on > Compaq laptop with Knoppix because none of the RH distros would the > keyboard. > > In a prior installfest, I put Libranet 2.7 on a laptop and it worked > quite nicely, finding almost all of the hardware and adding lots of > laptop tools. > > Our biggest problem was that this hit us on several computers with XP > (all HPs and a Sony) at the same time. We were not prepared as I don't > think many SATLUGGERS are running XP. I had read the warning about FC2 > and XP when it came out, but had forgotten it by the installfest. > Plus, and this is the part that confuses me, the fixes for that > particular bug did not work!! > > John > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:45:39 -0500, Wrkwatchr wrote: > > I had a similar problem with my HP Pavilion ze4400. I fought and fought > > trying to get a dual boot with XP and RH9. I did all my reading on the > > internet and discovered several recommendations that were similar...disable, > > this, change that kind of recommendations. All of these were to no avail. > > After several days of significant aggravation, I persevered and finally in a > > users group reply that I found I discovered someone who had successfully > > accomplished what I wanted to do...almost. Basically, I discovered my laptop > > was not RH friendly, but it was SuSE friendly. I tried SuSE 8.2 > > professional, and it installed easily and has been working without a hitch. > > My recommendation is that if RH/FC isn't working, try SuSE or other Distros > > until you find one that works the way you want. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Roy > > > > > -- > John > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 12:43:33 2004 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Mon Sep 6 11:27:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysql service problem Message-ID: <99af515b04090609432e8ec95b@mail.gmail.com> I have a strange problem with Mysql... everytime i start it running the command "service mysqld start" from root I recieve the following. [root@Phoenix log]# service mysqld start Timeout error occurred trying to start MySQL Daemon. Starting MySQL: [FAILED] I check the logs for the failure to find none... tail from log. [root@Phoenix log]# tail mysqld.log 040906 11:29:06 mysqld started /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown Complete 040906 11:36:44 mysqld ended 040906 11:36:50 mysqld started /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections I am able to login and work with I just find it very perplexing that it is not starting successfully. Also it seems to be trying to run in safe mode. root 5158 0.0 0.5 4248 1144 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --defau mysql 5182 0.0 2.2 29696 5112 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 /usr/libexec/mysqld --defaults-file= Is this correct can anyone verify this for me. As i am not sure this is the correct way of it starting. Thankyou ahead of time. Caleb From johnshanks at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 13:19:23 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Mon Sep 6 12:03:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <003d01c4942e$84cf96a0$c901a8c0@Tomservo> References: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> <31bde60e04090609012e382404@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c4942e$84cf96a0$c901a8c0@Tomservo> Message-ID: <545786a6040906101947209d8a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the suggestions. For now, I'm starting to wonder whether I really need XP, and am looking at programs like Wine. Does anyone have experience with that sort of thing? From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 13:25:54 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Sep 6 12:10:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysql service problem In-Reply-To: <99af515b04090609432e8ec95b@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b04090609432e8ec95b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0409061025625cec28@mail.gmail.com> Caleb, Did you remove the anonymous user ? if so you need to make a change to the /etc/init.d/mysqld file here is the part to look for: # If you've removed anonymous users, this line must be changed to # use a user that is allowed to ping mysqld. ping="/usr/bin/mysqladmin -uUNKNOWN_MYSQL_USER ping" this is located in the start function of the script there is nothing wrong with the way your starting it others correct me if I'm wrong but root start safe-mysqld and then forks it over to user mysql who starts the actual database so you will see mysql-safe and mysqld On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:43:33 -0500, Caleb Wylie wrote: > I have a strange problem with Mysql... everytime i start it running > the command "service mysqld start" from root I recieve the following. > > [root@Phoenix log]# service mysqld start > Timeout error occurred trying to start MySQL Daemon. > Starting MySQL: [FAILED] > > I check the logs for the failure to find none... tail from log. > > [root@Phoenix log]# tail mysqld.log > 040906 11:29:06 mysqld started > /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections > 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown > > 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown Complete > > 040906 11:36:44 mysqld ended > > 040906 11:36:50 mysqld started > /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections > > I am able to login and work with I just find it very perplexing that > it is not starting successfully. Also it seems to be trying to run in > safe mode. > > root 5158 0.0 0.5 4248 1144 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 /bin/sh > /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --defau > mysql 5182 0.0 2.2 29696 5112 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 > /usr/libexec/mysqld --defaults-file= > > Is this correct can anyone verify this for me. As i am not sure this > is the correct way of it starting. > > Thankyou ahead of time. > > Caleb > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From Bamse at playstation2-linux.com Mon Sep 6 13:48:54 2004 From: Bamse at playstation2-linux.com (Bamse) Date: Mon Sep 6 12:35:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 More GMail Invites... Message-ID: <413CA306.60605@playstation2-linux.com> E-mail me off-line... I need Name and E-mail... bamse at playstation2-linux dot com /Bamse From ziriax at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 14:49:05 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Mon Sep 6 13:33:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <545786a6040906101947209d8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <31bde60e04090420202f375b3e@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c49428$8f85f4a0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> <31bde60e04090609012e382404@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c4942e$84cf96a0$c901a8c0@Tomservo> <545786a6040906101947209d8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e0409061149488d8418@mail.gmail.com> John I use CrossOver Office with MS Office and it works just fine. Some small twitches, but nothing major. I also use "unsupported" applications with moderate success. For some of the older programs the installer will fail, but if you copy the files to the appropriate place, the programs work just fine. My current project is Sigma Plot 9.0. The demo works just file, but the registered version dies. I've used Outlook, and the Codeweavers mailing lists suggest that lots of other programs are being used as well. I hope this helps. John On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:19:23 -0500, john shanks wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions. For now, I'm starting to wonder > whether I really need XP, and am looking at programs like Wine. Does > anyone have experience with that sort of thing? > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- John From dubose at texas.net Mon Sep 6 17:05:35 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Mon Sep 6 15:47:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RPM Errors Message-ID: <413CD11F.ABD656D3@texas.net> I am using ManDrake 8.2 and tried to loading an RPM and got the following: error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #483 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #505 retrieved, skipped. Package LinPKTerm-0.14-1 is already installed rpmdb: Overflow page 3085 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3112 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3142 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3184 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3205 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3211 has bogus prev_pgno value rpmdb: Overflow item incomplete on page 3211 rpmdb: Overflow page 3084 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3093 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3108 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3128 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3138 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3144 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3147 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3192 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3302 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3307 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3105 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3136 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3146 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3194 of invalid type rpmdb: Overflow page 3209 of invalid type error: db3 error(-30985) from db->verify : DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database verification Failed Any idea what happened? I did an rpm --rebuilddb and got lots of error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #483 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #487 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #491 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #495 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #499 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #502 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #482 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #484 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #486 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #488 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #490 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #492 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #494 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #496 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #498 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #500 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #485 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #489 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #493 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #497 retrieved, skipped. error: rpmdb: damaged header instance #501 retrieved, skipped. What's going on? Walt From rct at gherkin.frus.com Mon Sep 6 18:55:57 2004 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Mon Sep 6 17:40:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HP LJ-III: two free to good home(s) Message-ID: <20040906225557.7B149DBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Price: FREE I've spent enough time trying to get these critters working that I'll be glad to see 'em go. If you want one, you'll get both and finding a home for the one you don't want will be *your* responsibility. This isn't as bad as it sounds: you'll probably be able to put together a working printer from the available parts (although this result isn't guaranteed by any means), and having spare parts isn't a bad idea. Here's what the "lucky" taker will get: 2 HP LJ-III printers: cosmetically in very good condition (all panels, doors, block-off plates, etc.) Paper trays: multiple letter-size, some regular capacity, some high capacity. one legal-size. 1 HP Postscript cartridge: the genuine article, not the Pacific Page knock-off. Expansion RAM: enough for one LJ-III to run Postscript. 1 toner cartridge: remanufactured and practically unused. 1 network I/O card: although this *is* a JetDirect card, it does NOT do TCP/IP, and you will NOT be able to talk to it with Linux. To put it another way: you cannot assign an IP address to this card. Think LLC/DLC. Note to WinXP users -- DLC printer support was removed after Win2K. 1 full set of HP factory documentation: this includes the PCL reference manual, printer and accessory manuals, etc. Before someone asks... If all you want is a paper tray or any of the other accessories, you get the printers too... I want this stuff out of my home :-). So, what are the problems with these units? Printer number one was a one-owner unit I paid premium dollars for many years ago. It had the Postscript cartridge and expansion RAM, and was my main workhorse printer for the better part of a decade. Eventually, it developed the dreaded error fifty-something that normally gets blamed on a bad fuser. In this case, it's more likely to be something in the power supply, which is a badly underspec'd unit (the Canon engine used in the LJ-III is infamous for this). Printer two came about as an inexpensive way to get the parts needed to fix printer one: I bought it for $20 at a warehouse on Kelly USA when a bunch of equipment was being liquidated. Printer two worked when I bought it, so I got the bright idea it might be simpler to move the expansion RAM and Postscript cartridge to the second printer. Voila! Everything worked well for a time... This weekend, printer two is going into continuous "engine test" mode after warming up. Tentative diagnosis based on the printer repair discussion boards is a bad DC controller board. My patience for dealing with these beasts is at an end. What else can I say? They are big, heavy, and when they don't work, useless to me. On the plus side, these are heavy-duty tree killers and HP sold a bunch of 'em at well over $1,500 each. They've probably got plenty of life left if you can fix 'em, but as with most computer equipment these days, it certainly isn't worth paying to have 'em fixed unless you know someone that will do the job (and guarantee it) for $50 or less. As with the GMAIL invites, first come, first served :-). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 19:07:17 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 6 17:51:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysql service problem In-Reply-To: <128bff2f0409061025625cec28@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b04090609432e8ec95b@mail.gmail.com> <128bff2f0409061025625cec28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090616072fb041c4@mail.gmail.com> Caleb, check if /var/lib/mysql is owned by the mysql user and group. On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:25:54 -0500, Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Caleb, > Did you remove the anonymous user ? if so you need to make a > change to the /etc/init.d/mysqld file > > here is the part to look for: > # If you've removed anonymous users, this line must be changed to > # use a user that is allowed to ping mysqld. > ping="/usr/bin/mysqladmin -uUNKNOWN_MYSQL_USER ping" > > this is located in the start function of the script > there is nothing wrong with the way your starting it others correct me > if I'm wrong but root start safe-mysqld and then forks it over to user > mysql who starts the actual database so you will see mysql-safe and > mysqld > > > > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:43:33 -0500, Caleb Wylie wrote: > > I have a strange problem with Mysql... everytime i start it running > > the command "service mysqld start" from root I recieve the following. > > > > [root@Phoenix log]# service mysqld start > > Timeout error occurred trying to start MySQL Daemon. > > Starting MySQL: [FAILED] > > > > I check the logs for the failure to find none... tail from log. > > > > [root@Phoenix log]# tail mysqld.log > > 040906 11:29:06 mysqld started > > /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections > > 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown > > > > 040906 11:36:44 /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown Complete > > > > 040906 11:36:44 mysqld ended > > > > 040906 11:36:50 mysqld started > > /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections > > > > I am able to login and work with I just find it very perplexing that > > it is not starting successfully. Also it seems to be trying to run in > > safe mode. > > > > root 5158 0.0 0.5 4248 1144 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 /bin/sh > > /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --defau > > mysql 5182 0.0 2.2 29696 5112 pts/0 S 11:29 0:00 > > /usr/libexec/mysqld --defaults-file= > > > > Is this correct can anyone verify this for me. As i am not sure this > > is the correct way of it starting. > > > > Thankyou ahead of time. > > > > Caleb > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From ramadoss at gbronline.com Mon Sep 6 22:45:40 2004 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Mon Sep 6 21:29:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] HP LJ-III: two free to good home(s) In-Reply-To: <20040906225557.7B149DBDD@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20040906214238.009fd390@mail.gbronline.com> If anyone is going to pick up the printers, I would be willing to share my copy of the Service Manual which should help getting atleast one printer working. These are easy to fix and are very reliable. e-mail me offline. mkr At 05:55 PM 09/06/04 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: >Price: FREE > >I've spent enough time trying to get these critters working that I'll >be glad to see 'em go. If you want one, you'll get both and finding a >home for the one you don't want will be *your* responsibility. This >isn't as bad as it sounds: you'll probably be able to put together a >working printer from the available parts (although this result isn't >guaranteed by any means), and having spare parts isn't a bad idea. >Here's what the "lucky" taker will get: > >2 HP LJ-III printers: cosmetically in very good condition (all panels, > doors, block-off plates, etc.) >Paper trays: > multiple letter-size, some regular capacity, some high capacity. > one legal-size. >1 HP Postscript cartridge: the genuine article, not the Pacific Page > knock-off. >Expansion RAM: enough for one LJ-III to run Postscript. >1 toner cartridge: remanufactured and practically unused. >1 network I/O card: although this *is* a JetDirect card, it does NOT > do TCP/IP, and you will NOT be able to talk to it with Linux. > To put it another way: you cannot assign an IP address to this > card. Think LLC/DLC. Note to WinXP users -- DLC printer > support was removed after Win2K. >1 full set of HP factory documentation: this includes the PCL reference > manual, printer and accessory manuals, etc. > >Before someone asks... If all you want is a paper tray or any of the >other accessories, you get the printers too... I want this stuff out >of my home :-). > >So, what are the problems with these units? Printer number one was a >one-owner unit I paid premium dollars for many years ago. It had the >Postscript cartridge and expansion RAM, and was my main workhorse >printer for the better part of a decade. Eventually, it developed the >dreaded error fifty-something that normally gets blamed on a bad fuser. >In this case, it's more likely to be something in the power supply, >which is a badly underspec'd unit (the Canon engine used in the LJ-III >is infamous for this). Printer two came about as an inexpensive way to >get the parts needed to fix printer one: I bought it for $20 at a >warehouse on Kelly USA when a bunch of equipment was being liquidated. >Printer two worked when I bought it, so I got the bright idea it might >be simpler to move the expansion RAM and Postscript cartridge to the >second printer. Voila! Everything worked well for a time... > >This weekend, printer two is going into continuous "engine test" mode >after warming up. Tentative diagnosis based on the printer repair >discussion boards is a bad DC controller board. My patience for dealing >with these beasts is at an end. > >What else can I say? They are big, heavy, and when they don't work, >useless to me. On the plus side, these are heavy-duty tree killers >and HP sold a bunch of 'em at well over $1,500 each. They've probably >got plenty of life left if you can fix 'em, but as with most computer >equipment these days, it certainly isn't worth paying to have 'em fixed >unless you know someone that will do the job (and guarantee it) for $50 >or less. > >As with the GMAIL invites, first come, first served :-). > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org >rct@frus.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 09/03/04 -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 09/03/04 From snafu at urdirect.net Mon Sep 6 23:47:16 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Mon Sep 6 22:20:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] making zip files Message-ID: <413D2F44.8030208@urdirect.net> this may be a dumb question, but sometimes I need to make a zip file out of a regular file - such as a document, or whatever. I am taking an online college course, and they require all submissions to be electronically submitted in "zip" format. Back on win2k, I used winzip to do this on my word docs, and it worked fine. Now, I am using FC2, and I still need to do the same thing. I tried from the command line: zip filename, but that just gives me errors. I don't remember the exact messages - something about file not in the right format or something. I am trying to zip a file created in OO, but saved in MS Word 2000 format (ie ".doc"). So how do I "zip" it? From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 6 23:44:51 2004 From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (Matt Valdes) Date: Mon Sep 6 22:33:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] making zip files In-Reply-To: <413D2F44.8030208@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <000001c4948d$0808a3a0$6600a8c0@Compaq> Try this: zip filename.zip file-to-be-zipped -Matt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Donn D. Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:47 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] making zip files this may be a dumb question, but sometimes I need to make a zip file out of a regular file - such as a document, or whatever. I am taking an online college course, and they require all submissions to be electronically submitted in "zip" format. Back on win2k, I used winzip to do this on my word docs, and it worked fine. Now, I am using FC2, and I still need to do the same thing. I tried from the command line: zip filename, but that just gives me errors. I don't remember the exact messages - something about file not in the right format or something. I am trying to zip a file created in OO, but saved in MS Word 2000 format (ie ".doc"). So how do I "zip" it? _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net Tue Sep 7 01:39:56 2004 From: tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net (Travis Miller) Date: Tue Sep 7 00:24:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] screen command loses colors In-Reply-To: <1094126045.b6d40474d1422@www.then7.com> References: <1094126045.b6d40474d1422@www.then7.com> Message-ID: <413D49AC.4050003@web-1hosting.net> Hey Eli, I had this problem once... it was related to the TERM environment variable not being set correctly in the startup scripts. You might want to try export TERM=linux or export TERM=xterm before starting screen. Probably isn't the problem, but that is something more on the more obvious side you could try. - Travis Eli Cantu wrote: > When at a regular pts (from putty to a slackware server) colors are fine. When > I enter "screen" at the command line, i lose my colors. Is there a way to get > them back? > > tia, > ~e > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From swinston at global-gaming.com Tue Sep 7 04:55:32 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Tue Sep 7 03:39:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] making zip files Message-ID: <20040907085532.GA27456@Linux.satx.rr.com> see below: [swinston@Linux Tue Sep 07] ~:>zip test.c.zip test.c adding: test.c (deflated 56%) think tar from command line... same syntax... same rules. -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC It would be nice to be sure of anything the way some people are of everything. From snafu at urdirect.net Tue Sep 7 10:27:15 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D) Date: Tue Sep 7 09:10:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] making zip files In-Reply-To: <000001c4948d$0808a3a0$6600a8c0@Compaq> References: <000001c4948d$0808a3a0$6600a8c0@Compaq> Message-ID: <413DC543.70005@urdirect.net> Matt Valdes wrote: >Try this: >zip filename.zip file-to-be-zipped > >-Matt > > > That makes sense. It was late last night and I didn't feel like googling & looking around for help. I'll try that when I get home today. I am assuming that the "zip" command in linux makes files that are compatible with winzip or pkzip in windows. This online course I am taking requires Windows, IE for the website, MS word for assignments submitted, and all files in "zip" format. I have been using firefox, and OO.org for all assignments (saved in Word format). Works great and the school has not complained about anything I've submitted. Guess I don't need windoze after all. From mester at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 7 10:27:59 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Tue Sep 7 09:12:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] database visualization In-Reply-To: <200409061304.i86D4tRj032317@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200409061304.i86D4tRj032317@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <413DC56F.9010106@satx.rr.com> Borries Demeler wrote: >Can someone recommend a stable, well-functional database visualization >tool that can generate diagrams of connected database structures, foreign key >constraints, that allows me to manipulate the layout in a graphical way. >I tried dbViZ before, but development stopped and it never functioned correctly. > >Ideally, I would like to import a MySQL database definition file and have the >program generate the database's graphical representation. > >Thanks, -Borries >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > This may be of help: http://www.fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/ -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ From mester at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 7 11:22:25 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Tue Sep 7 10:06:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Administration Console In-Reply-To: References: <41389C70.5040307@satx.rr.com> <4138AAE6.60709@futuretechsolutions.com> <4138C33F.6040307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <413DD231.9040609@satx.rr.com> Ted Rathkopf wrote: >Meanwhile, back at the model home, Mike Ester said: > > > >>It would not be the end of the world if I didn't find one. It would >>just be cool to be able to do this from my Debian box; instead of my >>XP box. Unfortunately, I am not a coding Jedi, or I would just create >>one myself. >> >> > >rathkopf@fester ~ 503 $ apt-cache show rfb >Package: rfb >Priority: optional >Section: x11 >Installed-Size: 666 >Maintainer: Ola Lundqvist >Architecture: i386 >Version: 0.6.1-6 >Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3-1), libxclass0, xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) >Filename: pool/main/r/rfb/rfb_0.6.1-6_i386.deb >Size: 263648 >MD5sum: bc1613e2a8aeb85d43f7429594b5dca7 >Description: VNC Server for X11 - exports current display > Like the xvncserver package, x0rfbserver exports an X display using the > RFB protocol. > . > Unlike xvncserver which creates a virtual X11 display to export, x0rfbserver > actually exports the display it is run in... just like the windows VNC server. > . > Also included are rfb utilities to capture and replay RFB data streams, and > a vnc viewer. > > > > This looks like part of a solution. Thanx, Ted. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 7 11:32:47 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Tue Sep 7 10:14:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] making zip files In-Reply-To: <413DC543.70005@urdirect.net> References: <000001c4948d$0808a3a0$6600a8c0@Compaq> <413DC543.70005@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <1094578366.3120.1.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 07:27, Donn D wrote: > today. I am assuming that the "zip" command in linux makes files that > are compatible with winzip or pkzip in windows. This online course I am The latest version of Winzip does in fact decompress *.tar.gz files. To create a tar.gz archive: tar cfvz name_of_new_archive.tar.gz name_of_folder_to_archive/ -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From yatinhat at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:39 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Tue Sep 7 10:46:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Mathematical breakthrough could bring disaster for ecommerce Message-ID: <20040907160239.52901.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> Mathematical breakthrough could bring disaster for ecommerce Solution to Riemann hypothesis could crack cryptography Mark Samuels, Computing 07 Sep 2004 Mathematicians are close to solving a 150 year-old theory - and the solution could add up to problems for internet commerce. The Riemann hypothesis, formulated by Georg Friedrich Bernhard Riemann in 1859, would explain the apparently random pattern of prime numbers. Such numbers are the key to internet cryptography and help banks keep customer's credit card data safe and secure. Louis de Branges, a French-born mathematician at Purdue University in the US, has claimed to have proof of the Riemann hypothesis, according to The Guardian. The hypothesis is one of seven 'millennium problems'. The US-based Clay Mathematics Institute offered $1m (Ł563,000) to anyone that could solve one of these problems four years ago. De Branges's colleagues, however, are not convinced that ecommerce is finished - yet. 'The proof he has announced is rather incomprehensible. Now mathematicians are less sure that the million has been won," Professor Marcus du Sautoy of Oxford University told The Guardian. But du Sautoy accepts that the proof could have large implications for internet commerce. 'The proof should give us more understanding of how the primes work. If it does, it will bring the whole of ecommerce to its knees, overnight. So there are very big implications.' From m.a.wallace at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 15:43:12 2004 From: m.a.wallace at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Tue Sep 7 14:27:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI Message-ID: <36217ddc0409071243531799de@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a good GUI tool for CVS? While the command line works fine, there are times when being able to see things graphically would be much easier. TIA, -Mike From gwillden at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 16:06:12 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Tue Sep 7 14:50:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI In-Reply-To: <36217ddc0409071243531799de@mail.gmail.com> References: <36217ddc0409071243531799de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <345e55a504090713062415db1e@mail.gmail.com> I know that there are Apache plugins that will allow you to look at a CVS repository, compare versions etc. So if you are running Apache you can get some visibility that way. I don't have any experience with other client side GUIs that may be out there however. Regards, Greg On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:43:12 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good GUI tool for CVS? While the command line > works fine, there are times when being able to see things graphically > would be much easier. TIA, > > -Mike > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 16:40:36 2004 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Sep 7 15:24:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What do you think? It's more GMAIL Invites!!! Message-ID: <869de84704090713402276868a@mail.gmail.com> 6 of 'em... speak now or forever hold your piece... From pattersonjeff at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 16:34:51 2004 From: pattersonjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Patterson) Date: Tue Sep 7 16:19:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What do you think? It's more GMAIL Invites!!! In-Reply-To: <869de84704090713402276868a@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de84704090713402276868a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29acd4a00409071434208caaf7@mail.gmail.com> I have 5 myself that I can give to someone. Jeff On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:40:36 -0500, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > 6 of 'em... > > speak now or forever hold your piece... > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From biigal at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 7 17:55:43 2004 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert Lochli) Date: Tue Sep 7 16:43:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE References: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <413E4A7F.A684B1E@satx.rr.com> In an install that I did we exited with this problem: You could boot into Linux You could NOT boot into windows (it was ME not XP although I had seen similar in XP) 1. Open Linux as root. 2. Hopefully in command line -- else use XTerminal. 3. Run fdisk /dev/hda when it comes up check and note which partition hda1, hda2, hda3 is what. make NO alterations -- this is a LOOK-SEE only. 3. cat /etc/lilo.conf look and see where it is trying to reach DOS or windows at -- we had windows in hda1 and lilo had it in hda5 4. If necessary edit the lilo.conf file -- command line vi /etc/lilo.conf save and exit vi { wq } 5 from the command line call /sbin/lilo this will rewrite the lilo in the mbr et al if an error remains it will tell you so (an * or an absence of one I forget which but it is unmistakable) 6. then exit linux and retry linux and windows for access et al. 7. We did have one that I worked on where this did not work -- it had been originally grub and the boot header on the XP this time was corrupted. BiigAl john shanks wrote: > > I was at the SAC Installfest today, and I ended up putting SUSE 9 in > dualboot with XP using LILO. Unfortunately, when I try to boot into > XP it hangs on the "Starting Windows" line and nothing happens after > that. I know that there were similar problems with a lot of the > RedHat and Fedora installs you guys were doing and you found what the > problem was, but I had to leave at 12. > > Can you tell me what the fix was, and if its something I could do? > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From pandemic at syn-recon.net Tue Sep 7 18:08:07 2004 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net) Date: Tue Sep 7 16:52:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI In-Reply-To: <36217ddc0409071243531799de@mail.gmail.com> References: <36217ddc0409071243531799de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <413E3147.90707@syn-recon.net> Which editor are you using ? Jedit, xemacs, netbeans, etc usually have integrated or add on cvs support (grannted some just apply changes). If not theres always http://cvsgui.sourceforge.net/ Florian Mike Wallace wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good GUI tool for CVS? While the command line > works fine, there are times when being able to see things graphically > would be much easier. TIA, > > -Mike > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 7 18:14:05 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Tue Sep 7 16:55:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] looking for a job Message-ID: <1094602444.4097.2.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Hello. I'm looking for any help desk, linux administration, technical writing, or project management positions. I also have experience with PHP/SQL/HTML/Linux. Please let me know if you hear anything! Thanks. David Guarneri From dino at texas.net Tue Sep 7 18:28:03 2004 From: dino at texas.net (dino@texas.net) Date: Tue Sep 7 17:12:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Laptop - Suggestions? Message-ID: <20040907222749.53BA8E64B2E@mail1.aus.texas.net> What's the best bang-for-buck Linux compatible laptop for < $800? I've been researching this for the last week and my head is just swimming. Currently I'm running on a Dell Inspiron 7500 w/ PIII @ 455mhZ. The machine has been great and everything works including the built-in modem and suspend-to-disk, but I'm looking to upgrade to something faster. Thanks! From ziriax at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 18:32:28 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Tue Sep 7 17:16:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Problems dualbooting XP and SUSE In-Reply-To: <413E4A7F.A684B1E@satx.rr.com> References: <545786a6040904154721f873a2@mail.gmail.com> <413E4A7F.A684B1E@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e040907153267dfb391@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:55:43 -0700, Albert Lochli wrote: > In an install that I did we exited with this problem: > You could boot into Linux > You could NOT boot into windows (it was ME not XP although I had seen > similar in XP) > > 1. Open Linux as root. > 2. Hopefully in command line -- else use XTerminal. > 3. Run fdisk /dev/hda > when it comes up check and note which partition hda1, hda2, hda3 is > what. > make NO alterations -- this is a LOOK-SEE only. > 3. cat /etc/lilo.conf > look and see where it is trying to reach DOS or windows at > -- we had windows in hda1 and lilo had it in hda5 > 4. If necessary edit the lilo.conf file -- command line vi > /etc/lilo.conf > save and exit vi { wq } > 5 from the command line call /sbin/lilo > this will rewrite the lilo in the mbr et al > if an error remains it will tell you so (an * or an absence of one I > forget which but it is unmistakable) > 6. then exit linux and retry linux and windows for access et al. > > 7. We did have one that I worked on where this did not work > -- it had been originally grub and the boot header on the XP this time > was corrupted. > > BiigAl We were checking for that problem too. I believe it fixed at least one of the no boot problems. But if I recall, with grub, it was more a problem with a manufacturer partition which was visible, but not MS or Linux, was not counted by Grub, so the partition number was off (e.g., hd(0,0) should have been hd(0,1). Sadly, this didn't help the Sony of which I wrote earlier. I would be usefull if the students got pointed to this list as we could do a better job of figuring out some of this stuff. So, should we be nervous about the current versions of Grub and Lilo, or is it that these new computers have more "secret" partitions, or is it RH and FC, or something else? John From salazar_figueroa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 16:38:48 2004 From: salazar_figueroa at yahoo.com (Raul S.) Date: Tue Sep 7 17:22:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] looking for a job In-Reply-To: <1094602444.4097.2.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <20040907223848.62517.qmail@web13425.mail.yahoo.com> Me too. I need a job. I do not want to go flip burgers. --- "N. David Guarneri" wrote: > Hello. I'm looking for any help desk, linux > administration, technical > writing, or project management positions. I also > have experience with > PHP/SQL/HTML/Linux. Please let me know if you hear > anything! Thanks. > > David Guarneri > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From country at the-cia.net Tue Sep 7 23:55:51 2004 From: country at the-cia.net (cb) Date: Tue Sep 7 17:55:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] looking for a job In-Reply-To: <20040907223848.62517.qmail@web13425.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040907223848.62517.qmail@web13425.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <409C1738.70906@the-cia.net> Same here, though I have a McJob working at Radio Shack. I'm still waiting for all those promised jobs in the IT world.. Raul S. wrote: >Me too. I need a job. I do not want to go flip >burgers. > >--- "N. David Guarneri" wrote: > > > >>Hello. I'm looking for any help desk, linux >>administration, technical >>writing, or project management positions. I also >>have experience with >>PHP/SQL/HTML/Linux. Please let me know if you hear >>anything! Thanks. >> >>David Guarneri >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> > > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. >http://messenger.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From satlug at fusemeister.com Tue Sep 7 20:12:20 2004 From: satlug at fusemeister.com (Brinkley Harrell) Date: Tue Sep 7 18:57:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI In-Reply-To: <36217ddc0409071243531799de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Wallace > > Can anyone recommend a good GUI tool for CVS? While the command line > works fine, there are times when being able to see things graphically > would be much easier. TIA, > Try http://www.kde.org/apps/cervisia/. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brinkley Harrell http://www.fusemeister.com From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 20:14:09 2004 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Sep 7 18:58:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] firewire lattice? Message-ID: <869de8470409071714524fec29@mail.gmail.com> Been kinda playing around with the idea of the firewire network for mirrored servers. Admittedly, I don't know too much about firewire as a buss protocol so be gentle: I have a trio of firewire cards that have two outward facing ports on them. If I connect the cables in such a way that each PC has two cables going to it, will this disrupt the firewire communications? If #1=no, what happens if I plug a storage class device into the firewire network? will each comp try to mount it as a local drive or will the storage device not be recognized by the firewire transport? What are your thoughts? (Linux tie in: all the PCs will be running Linux, since W2k doesn't have the firewire driver and damned if I'm running XP..) From satlug at fusemeister.com Tue Sep 7 20:16:03 2004 From: satlug at fusemeister.com (Brinkley Harrell) Date: Tue Sep 7 19:00:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] making zip files In-Reply-To: <413DC543.70005@urdirect.net> Message-ID: > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Donn D > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:27 AM > > Matt Valdes wrote: > > >Try this: > >zip filename.zip file-to-be-zipped > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > That makes sense. It was late last night and I didn't feel like > googling & looking around for help. I'll try that when I get home > today. I am assuming that the "zip" command in linux makes > files that > are compatible with winzip or pkzip in windows. This online > course I am > taking requires Windows, IE for the website, MS word for assignments > submitted, and all files in "zip" format. I have been using firefox, > and OO.org for all assignments (saved in Word format). Works > great and > the school has not complained about anything I've submitted. Guess I > don't need windoze after all. > Sometimes, things like 'man zip' yields a wealth of information. You can also try 'man unzip'. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brinkley Harrell http://www.fusemeister.com From mikeaw at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 20:23:06 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Tue Sep 7 19:07:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Firefox session sharing Message-ID: <4154519d04090717231c4d092@mail.gmail.com> Is it possible to restrict Firefox such that if you log into the same web site with two different logins in two different windows/tabs that the data is not shared between the two? When I log into the website in the first window, everything's fine. When I log in again with a different user name, everything *appears* fine. However, when I go back to the first window, all of the session data is now that of the second login. How can I make Firefox behave and not share session information between tabs/windows? -Mike From swinston at global-gaming.com Tue Sep 7 20:37:53 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Tue Sep 7 19:22:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI Message-ID: In windows: tortoise CVS is very nice and easy (even for artists ) in MacOSX: Cervesa seems to be the preference in Linux: Personally I prefer the command line it's faster and less work moving hand from keyboard to mouse (I'm lazy like that). However, Cervesa works here as well as several hundred opensource projects. Ajunta is a gnome IDE that includes CVS repository support. We are considering switching to a subversion server; there's less tools out there for it, but it seems to be a cleaner system. -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it. -- Stanley Kubrick From yatinhat at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 20:30:35 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Tue Sep 7 21:14:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: looking for a job In-Reply-To: <200409080000.i8800TY13663@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040908023036.91901.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> Me too, but honestly I've turned to IT consulting jobs and expect to have decent income this year as I did last year. Most of my clients are RV-er's. In fact, my brother does the mechanical work and refers me any computer clients. I have convinced about 20 percent of my clients to try Linux. I have a few side businesses that aren't yet profitable , but I'm planning for positive cash flow in year three. (I breed border collie puppies and turkish angora cats). Subject: [SATLUG] looking for a job To: satlug@satlug.org Message-ID: <1094602444.4097.2.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain Hello. I'm looking for any help desk, linux administration, technical writing, or project management positions. I also have experience with PHP/SQL/HTML/Linux. Please let me know if you hear anything! Thanks. David Guarneri From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Sep 7 23:11:10 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Sep 7 21:55:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: looking for a job In-Reply-To: <20040908023036.91901.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200409080000.i8800TY13663@alamo.satlug.org> <20040908023036.91901.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10usj01ro4eo7te27hf4rlpr8avfc68hj2@4ax.com> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:30:35 -0700 (PDT), Mary Yatti wrote: > (I breed border collie puppies and >turkish angora cats). That sounds like an interesting combination, got any JPEGs? From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 7 23:05:06 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (David Guarneri) Date: Tue Sep 7 22:00:10 2004 Subject: Business Proposition - was: Re: [SATLUG] Re: looking for a job In-Reply-To: <20040908023036.91901.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040908023036.91901.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1094619906.6974.129.camel@patty.sebastian> On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 19:30, Mary Yatti wrote: > Me too, but honestly I've turned to IT consulting jobs > and expect to have decent income this year as I did > last year. Most of my clients are RV-er's. In fact, > my brother does the mechanical work and refers me any > computer clients. > > I have convinced about 20 percent of my clients to try > Linux. > > I have a few side businesses that aren't yet > profitable , but I'm planning for positive cash flow > in year three. (I breed border collie puppies and > turkish angora cats). > I was working on a project for myself when I got the notice that they are doing some restructuring. I could look for a secure help desk or hardware tech job, but if I could get this off the ground, I'd be a lot happier. I have some good headway and some good plans and ideas, but given a shorter timeline, I am going to need some help. I have some hardware to start (which could probably use and additional disk drive for software RAID), the domain name with dynamic DNS, the database/software setup, and I am half done with the first phase of development. What I need now is maybe a couple of people to work with: a hardware/network person and a developer. The hardware person should be someone that can contribute with a business DSL line, even if it is shared with other projects, preferabbly someone with good networking skills that may be able to help out with clustering in the future. A good working knowledge of securing networks and securing applications would also be very useful. The developer should have a working knowledge of PHP and SQL. I can do both the network part and the developer part, and I have good project management skills, being that I am currently a project manager. I also have excellent graphics/photography/multimedia skills for the marketing portion. I have a lot of hardware and software for multimedia production. It would be good to just get something up and running so that there is something to show when it's time to get a small business loan. Of course, this ideal team would share equally in the profits, and we would have articles of incorporation to make sure everybody benefits. If anyone is interested, send me an email off-list. Thank you! From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 07:05:20 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Sep 8 05:49:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: looking for a job In-Reply-To: <10usj01ro4eo7te27hf4rlpr8avfc68hj2@4ax.com> References: <200409080000.i8800TY13663@alamo.satlug.org> <20040908023036.91901.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> <10usj01ro4eo7te27hf4rlpr8avfc68hj2@4ax.com> Message-ID: <277020fc04090804054369e2b1@mail.gmail.com> So would the offspring be called an angora collie? Or a border cat that can herd mice? On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:11:10 -0500, Don Wright wrote: > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:30:35 -0700 (PDT), Mary Yatti > wrote: > > > (I breed border collie puppies and > >turkish angora cats). > > That sounds like an interesting combination, got any JPEGs? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From kell at spoonix.com Wed Sep 8 08:12:30 2004 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Wed Sep 8 06:30:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI In-Reply-To: ; from swinston@global-gaming.com on Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 07:37:53PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040908071230.A1871@inverness.spoonix.com> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 07:37:53PM -0500, Steven Winston wrote: > We are considering switching to a subversion server; there's less tools > out there for it, but it seems to be a cleaner system. I'd be interested in how this works out for you, if ya'll decide to pursue it. I was using CVS for some kicks'n'giggles mod work on the Wolf:ET sdk, but the hard drive with the repos recently died, so I lost all the CVS stuff (but still have the code due to "distributed backups" ;). Seems like an opportune time to move to a different versioning system, and I'd be interested to hear your impressions. :) -- K. Spoon From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Wed Sep 8 10:02:05 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Wed Sep 8 08:47:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI Message-ID: Steven Winston / Kelly Spoon: I use and recommend CVS' successor, SVN, developed by the author of the CVS book. There is a version of Tortoise for subversion, which my developers use, but of course, you always have the command line utilities available. My repository is a hosted using Apache 2 and WebDAV, so you can actually browse the repository database (any branch) using a web browser. We've been using it since August/September of LAST year! Its been great. Othniel -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Steven Winston Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:38 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: RE: [SATLUG] CVS GUI In windows: tortoise CVS is very nice and easy (even for artists ) in MacOSX: Cervesa seems to be the preference in Linux: Personally I prefer the command line it's faster and less work moving hand from keyboard to mouse (I'm lazy like that). However, Cervesa works here as well as several hundred opensource projects. Ajunta is a gnome IDE that includes CVS repository support. We are considering switching to a subversion server; there's less tools out there for it, but it seems to be a cleaner system. -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it. -- Stanley Kubrick _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From kell at spoonix.com Wed Sep 8 12:20:53 2004 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Wed Sep 8 10:38:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI In-Reply-To: ; from Othniel.Graichen@amedd.army.mil on Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 09:02:05AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040908112053.A3690@inverness.spoonix.com> Thanks for the info, Othniel... I appreciate ya. :) It's also good to hear there's a Windows client... I won't need it, but a few unenlightend friends might. ;) How is the system at handling "binary" data? Like, say, can I wedge wav's and tga's into it and associate them with a specific release, or is that better suited for storage outside the system? I've gotten a couple of other glowing reports on subversion, so it sounds like it's something worth checking out. Thanks agian, On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 09:02:05AM -0500, Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS wrote: > Steven Winston / Kelly Spoon: > > I use and recommend CVS' successor, SVN, developed by the author of the > CVS book. There is a version of Tortoise for subversion, which my > developers use, but of course, you always have the command line > utilities available. My repository is a hosted using Apache 2 and > WebDAV, so you can actually browse the repository database (any branch) > using a web browser. > > We've been using it since August/September of LAST year! Its been > great. > > Othniel -- K. Spoon From Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil Wed Sep 8 12:36:14 2004 From: Othniel.Graichen at amedd.army.mil (Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS) Date: Wed Sep 8 11:21:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI Message-ID: Subversion uses no file-based embedded "tags" within the managed file, so binary data is directly and efficiently handled. Furthermore, it uses the Berkeley database engine so that file copies and renames across subdirectory boundaries inherit the history of the predecessor(s). Its' storage requirements are low. Othniel Graichen -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of K. Spoon Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:21 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] CVS GUI Thanks for the info, Othniel... I appreciate ya. :) It's also good to hear there's a Windows client... I won't need it, but a few unenlightend friends might. ;) How is the system at handling "binary" data? Like, say, can I wedge wav's and tga's into it and associate them with a specific release, or is that better suited for storage outside the system? I've gotten a couple of other glowing reports on subversion, so it sounds like it's something worth checking out. Thanks agian, On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 09:02:05AM -0500, Graichen, Othniel M Mr AMEDDCS wrote: > Steven Winston / Kelly Spoon: > > I use and recommend CVS' successor, SVN, developed by the author of > the CVS book. There is a version of Tortoise for subversion, which my > developers use, but of course, you always have the command line > utilities available. My repository is a hosted using Apache 2 and > WebDAV, so you can actually browse the repository database (any > branch) using a web browser. > > We've been using it since August/September of LAST year! Its been > great. > > Othniel -- K. Spoon _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mdfilio at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 12:38:22 2004 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Wed Sep 8 11:22:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] CVS GUI In-Reply-To: <20040908112053.A3690@inverness.spoonix.com> References: <20040908112053.A3690@inverness.spoonix.com> Message-ID: I'm no expert but came across this: "Until now, I've left unsaid the dirty little secret of CVS, which is that it doesn't handle binary files very well (well, there are other dirty little secrets, but this definitely counts as one of the dirtiest). It's not that CVS doesn't handle binaries at all; it does, just not with any great panache." http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html#CVS%20And%20Binary%20Files So to use binary files with CVS you'll have to make sure to do some extra steps. On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:20:53 -0500, K. Spoon wrote: > How is the system at handling "binary" data? Like, say, can I wedge > wav's and tga's into it and associate them with a specific release, or > is that better suited for storage outside the system? From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 13:31:38 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 8 12:15:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] firewire lattice? In-Reply-To: <869de8470409071714524fec29@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470409071714524fec29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04090810314a89a266@mail.gmail.com> Matt, there is a patch for the Firewire stack from Oracle that allows multiple computers to access external firewire drives: http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/hunter_rac_2.html#Obtain%20and%20Install%20a%20Proper%20Linux%20Kernel On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:14:09 -0500, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Been kinda playing around with the idea of the firewire network for > mirrored servers. Admittedly, I > don't know too much about firewire as a buss protocol so be gentle: > > I have a trio of firewire cards that have two outward facing ports on > them. If I connect the cables in > such a way that each PC has two cables going to it, will this disrupt > the firewire communications? > > If #1=no, what happens if I plug a storage class device into the > firewire network? will each comp > try to mount it as a local drive or will the storage device not be > recognized by the firewire transport? > > What are your thoughts? > > (Linux tie in: all the PCs will be running Linux, since W2k doesn't > have the firewire driver and damned if I'm running XP..) > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From dubose at texas.net Wed Sep 8 14:33:31 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Wed Sep 8 13:17:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Question Message-ID: <20040908183317.AB3EF391C65A@mail1.aus.texas.net> Let's see...more stuff I've forgotten. If I want to daisychain two 24 port hubs, I run from port 24 to port 1 with a cross-over cable? Walt From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 15:00:59 2004 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Wed Sep 8 13:45:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Question In-Reply-To: <20040908183317.AB3EF391C65A@mail1.aus.texas.net> References: <20040908183317.AB3EF391C65A@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <99af515b04090812003b1afc57@mail.gmail.com> Yes a crossover cable should work in this instant. Some new hubs have the ability to detect what cable you plug into them and automagically change the way they recieve the signal. --Caleb On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:33:31 CDT, dubose@texas.net wrote: > Let's see...more stuff I've forgotten. > > If I want to daisychain two 24 port hubs, I run from port 24 to port 1 with a > cross-over cable? > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Sep 8 15:02:47 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Sep 8 13:46:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Question In-Reply-To: <20040908183317.AB3EF391C65A@mail1.aus.texas.net> References: <20040908183317.AB3EF391C65A@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <1094670170.1106.3.camel@laptop> If they both have an expansion port on back, the best way to link them is thru the expansion port. It ties the backplanes directly together. If no expansion ports (or no cable available), you can connect it thru the ports. A cross-over cable is PROBABLY required. Some hubs have a MIDI/MIDX (sometimes labeled crossover) switch on one of the ports (usually port 1 or last port). If so, plug in a regular cable and throw the switch on just ONE hub. They'll link right up. Chuck On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:33, dubose@texas.net wrote: > Let's see...more stuff I've forgotten. > > If I want to daisychain two 24 port hubs, I run from port 24 to port 1 with a > cross-over cable? > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 15:08:00 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Wed Sep 8 13:52:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Question In-Reply-To: <20040908183317.AB3EF391C65A@mail1.aus.texas.net> References: <20040908183317.AB3EF391C65A@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <128bff2f04090812083a22eb99@mail.gmail.com> Walt, Simple answer is 'yes' . Though some hubs are designed with a designated uplink port and other can be segmented. If these are simple 24 ports then you should be good you don't even necessarly need to go port 1 to 24. Just keep an eye out for collsions as you get bigger you might want to look into switches instead they cost more but can increase performance. Zeb On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:33:31 CDT, dubose@texas.net wrote: > Let's see...more stuff I've forgotten. > > If I want to daisychain two 24 port hubs, I run from port 24 to port 1 with a > cross-over cable? > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From swinston at global-gaming.com Wed Sep 8 15:26:59 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Wed Sep 8 14:11:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: CVS GUI Message-ID: <20040908192659.GC15535@Linux.satx.rr.com> CVS doesn't handle bin files well at all is more of an understatement and the real motivation behind our investigation into subversion. One can only lose a map file whose compile takes 16+ hours to generate so many times before faith in CVS diminishes. I'm fully aware of how to use CVS to store binary files, but they can still get corrupted when making a new branch or other things and when files get large enough (say a server's 1.2 gig map file), there's other problems that crop up. For every other project I've ever worked on CVS has always worked great and I've never seen a problem with it. I've even managed to make CVS secure enough to trust on an open netword (chrooted, SSL, and SMRSH). So for over a year, I'd give CVS one heck of a recommendation. But I really detest generating map files and Subversion, while a very different feel and much less nitty gritty'ness, does support large binary files much better. It is easier to upload and download exactly what you want. Honestly, I'd be an instant fan if I didn't have to learn all the uses all over again as no option / functionality is the exact same. After that all the developers, artists, and anyone else we give permission to get documents, sourcecode, edit website, or models / graphics. will have to learn the new differences. It's been my experience that most everyone already knows at least of CVS, so that problem hasn't been bothersome yet. I dunno, I can report more on it after more tests and getting used to the new system. Until I fully understand it, I'd rather hold back any opinions as to which is better. -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC Education is the process of casting false pearls before real swine. -- Irwin Edman From dubose at texas.net Wed Sep 8 16:27:09 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Wed Sep 8 15:11:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Network Question Message-ID: <20040908202655.6F4AA2560A91@mail2.aus.texas.net> > If they both have an expansion port on back, the best way to link them > is thru the expansion port. It ties the backplanes directly together. > > If no expansion ports (or no cable available), you can connect it thru > the ports. A cross-over cable is PROBABLY required. > > Some hubs have a MIDI/MIDX (sometimes labeled crossover) switch on one > of the ports (usually port 1 or last port). If so, plug in a regular > cable and throw the switch on just ONE hub. They'll link right up. > > > Chuck > > Thanks Caleba and Chuck. This is an old Baynetworks Switch with nothing on the back or a X over one port so I figured it might take a cross over cable. Thanks again and I will miss the meeting tonight as I am preparing to leave town to present a paper at the Digital Communications Conference. Walt > > On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:33, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > Let's see...more stuff I've forgotten. > > > > If I want to daisychain two 24 port hubs, I run from port 24 to port 1 with a > > cross-over cable? > > > > Walt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 23:20:10 2004 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Wed Sep 8 22:04:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] ppp scripts? Message-ID: <869de84704090820202b18e49a@mail.gmail.com> Is it possible to script an action on a pppd server to do something that is connection specific once the connection becomes live? Example: I am expecting a ppp connection to have the near endpoint as 10.0.1.3 and the remote endpoint as 10.0.1.10. I want to have Linux automatically add the following command: From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 23:26:15 2004 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Wed Sep 8 22:10:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Take two: pppd scrripting? Message-ID: <869de84704090820266382fac9@mail.gmail.com> How do I tell pppd to add a routing statement after a ppp interface comes up? Example: if ppp0 comes up with a local IP of $LOCAL_IP and a remote IP of $REMOTE_IP how do I get pppd to issue the following route command? route add -net $REMOTE_NET gw $LOCAL_IP? or better yet, how do I get pppd to automatically call a script command that will allow me to set that information? The purpose? I have a VPN server and two endpoints. On boot the endpoints contact the server however neither the server or the endpoint can see each other's network until a route command is added to the server. I can not have the routes in beforehand as they are deleted by pppd on interface up. If the ppp tunnel is killed for whatever reason, I want to be able to tell the machine to reboot and it will then make the connection automatically, while the server sets the routes accordingly to the IP addressess that are statically bound to each username. Confused? Good.. :P Thanks in advance! FIRESTORM_v1 From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Sep 8 23:42:48 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Wed Sep 8 22:26:57 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount Message-ID: <1094701369.1543.19.camel@laptop> Hi everyone, A couple people asked about the O'Reilly discount. As part of SATLUG, you can get a 20% discount on O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph, Pragmatic Bookshelf, and Syngress books and O'Reilly conferences. Just tell them you are part of SATLUG and give them the code: DSUG Happy reading... Chuck From kell at spoonix.com Thu Sep 9 06:17:32 2004 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Thu Sep 9 04:35:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Take two: pppd scrripting? In-Reply-To: <869de84704090820266382fac9@mail.gmail.com>; from firestorm.v1@gmail.com on Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:26:15PM -0500 References: <869de84704090820266382fac9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20040909051732.A10551@inverness.spoonix.com> On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:26:15PM -0500, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > How do I tell pppd to add a routing statement after a ppp interface comes up? > Example: > if ppp0 comes up with a local IP of $LOCAL_IP and a remote IP of > $REMOTE_IP how do > I get pppd to issue the following route command? > > route add -net $REMOTE_NET gw $LOCAL_IP? Man... pppd. :) It's been a while. The "defaultroute" option will handle this, but with one important caveat: there cannot be a pre-existing default route in place. pppd will chicken out if you've got another default... it won't delete anything from your routing table ever, only add to it. If something else is already there, it'll defer. If this is for a WAN type setup, you might want to look into just using static routes to get to whatever is on the other side of the PPP link. It might also be a good idea to check out the dial-on-demand features (I think you can just use the "demand" option these days instead of jacking with diald) to bring up the link transparently. > or better yet, how do I get pppd to automatically call a script > command that will allow me to set that information? I don't think pppd itself offers that functionality. :/ That was usually something you put in the shell script after you made the call to pppd. Hope that helps, -- K. Spoon From bryan.scott at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 08:19:36 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Thu Sep 9 07:03:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] hosts.deny usage Message-ID: Hello, I saw a little traffic last week about hosts.deny. I thought that was an interesting idea, so I tried to set it up. So far it appears that it may not be working. LogWatch is complaining. Hosts.deny file: ALL : 163.27.160.84, 220.73.215.151, 211.108.61.104, 210.3.1.38 This is what I have changed it too currently. I have read some other places, and the man. But it seems as if I am missing something or, there is something I am overlooking. My assumption is that if I place ALL : x.x.x.x that host will be denied all tcp connections to the box. Did I miss something. Below is the complaint from LogWatch. warning: /etc/hosts.deny, line 9: missing ":" separator warning: /etc/hosts.deny, line 10: missing ":" separator Can someone point out why I am an idiot. All I want to do is deny certain hosts. -Thanks, Bryan From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Thu Sep 9 09:25:29 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Thu Sep 9 08:10:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount In-Reply-To: <1094701369.1543.19.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <002601c49670$79e7bb70$6401a8c0@hplaptop> I was looking at Amazon for a book and stumbled on this site http://www.nerdbooks.com/index.php They offer over 460 Linux related books with an average discount that appears to be around 35% HTH Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:43 PM To: SATLUG Subject: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount Hi everyone, A couple people asked about the O'Reilly discount. As part of SATLUG, you can get a 20% discount on O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph, Pragmatic Bookshelf, and Syngress books and O'Reilly conferences. Just tell them you are part of SATLUG and give them the code: DSUG Happy reading... Chuck _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Thu Sep 9 09:47:16 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Thu Sep 9 08:31:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount In-Reply-To: <002601c49670$79e7bb70$6401a8c0@hplaptop> (WrkWatchr@hotmail.com's message of "Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:25:29 -0500") References: <002601c49670$79e7bb70$6401a8c0@hplaptop> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, "Wrkwatchr" said: > I was looking at Amazon for a book and stumbled on this site > http://www.nerdbooks.com/index.php They offer over 460 Linux related books > with an average discount that appears to be around 35% > > HTH Overstock.com is always a good place to check, too. -- Ted Rathkopf From jr7958 at sbc.com Thu Sep 9 10:00:46 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Thu Sep 9 08:45:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DD2@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Bookpool.com is always good. I used to order from fatbrain.com but that company was bought by barnes and noble and the prices are higher now. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Ted Rathkopf Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:47 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount Meanwhile, back at the model home, "Wrkwatchr" said: > I was looking at Amazon for a book and stumbled on this site > http://www.nerdbooks.com/index.php They offer over 460 Linux related books > with an average discount that appears to be around 35% > > HTH Overstock.com is always a good place to check, too. -- Ted Rathkopf _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org Thu Sep 9 10:20:05 2004 From: ted-sender-9916db at rathkopf.org (Ted Rathkopf) Date: Thu Sep 9 09:04:31 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount In-Reply-To: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DD2@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> (JEREMY REYNOLDS's message of "Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:00:46 -0500") References: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DD2@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: Meanwhile, back at the model home, "REYNOLDS, JEREMY \(SBCSI\)" said: > Bookpool.com is always good. I used to order from fatbrain.com but that > company was bought by barnes and noble and the prices are higher now. I had a fatbrain hat that blew off my head on Splash Mountain at Disney World. {*} -- Ted Rathkopf From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 10:47:09 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Sep 9 09:31:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] hosts.deny usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0409090747410f2f53@mail.gmail.com> Check the syntax. There is no SPACE after ALL. So instead of what you have: ALL : you need ALL: x.x.x.x, x.x.x.x On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:19:36 -0500, Bryan Scott wrote: > Hello, > > I saw a little traffic last week about hosts.deny. I thought that was > an interesting idea, so I tried to set it up. So far it appears that > it may not be working. LogWatch is complaining. > > Hosts.deny file: > ALL : 163.27.160.84, 220.73.215.151, 211.108.61.104, 210.3.1.38 > > This is what I have changed it too currently. I have read some other > places, and the man. But it seems as if I am missing something or, > there is something I am overlooking. My assumption is that if I place > ALL : x.x.x.x that host will be denied all tcp connections to the > box. Did I miss something. Below is the complaint from LogWatch. > > warning: /etc/hosts.deny, line 9: missing ":" separator > warning: /etc/hosts.deny, line 10: missing ":" separator > > Can someone point out why I am an idiot. All I want to do is deny certain hosts. > > -Thanks, > > Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From jr7958 at sbc.com Thu Sep 9 10:56:44 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Thu Sep 9 09:41:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DD3@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> I had a Disney world hat that sang and danced on my head while I was at home on my computer shopping online at fatbrain. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Ted Rathkopf Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:20 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount Meanwhile, back at the model home, "REYNOLDS, JEREMY \(SBCSI\)" said: > Bookpool.com is always good. I used to order from fatbrain.com but that > company was bought by barnes and noble and the prices are higher now. I had a fatbrain hat that blew off my head on Splash Mountain at Disney World. {*} -- Ted Rathkopf _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 11:15:29 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Thu Sep 9 09:59:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Take two: pppd scrripting? In-Reply-To: <20040909051732.A10551@inverness.spoonix.com> References: <869de84704090820266382fac9@mail.gmail.com> <20040909051732.A10551@inverness.spoonix.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f04090908156b368a17@mail.gmail.com> I have never messed with pppd but if the ifup is being ran can't you just put a refernce to a shell script in there to have it add the route or even better yet the command itself ? On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:17:32 -0500, K. Spoon wrote: > On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:26:15PM -0500, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > > How do I tell pppd to add a routing statement after a ppp interface comes up? > > Example: > > if ppp0 comes up with a local IP of $LOCAL_IP and a remote IP of > > $REMOTE_IP how do > > I get pppd to issue the following route command? > > > > route add -net $REMOTE_NET gw $LOCAL_IP? > > Man... pppd. :) It's been a while. > > The "defaultroute" option will handle this, but with one important > caveat: there cannot be a pre-existing default route in place. pppd will > chicken out if you've got another default... it won't delete anything from > your routing table ever, only add to it. If something else is already > there, it'll defer. > > If this is for a WAN type setup, you might want to look into just using > static routes to get to whatever is on the other side of the PPP link. > It might also be a good idea to check out the dial-on-demand features > (I think you can just use the "demand" option these days instead of jacking > with diald) to bring up the link transparently. > > > or better yet, how do I get pppd to automatically call a script > > command that will allow me to set that information? > > I don't think pppd itself offers that functionality. :/ That was usually > something you put in the shell script after you made the call to pppd. > > Hope that helps, > > -- > K. Spoon > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From tj138 at redreverse.com Thu Sep 9 09:35:31 2004 From: tj138 at redreverse.com (TJ...) Date: Thu Sep 9 10:19:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] O'Reilly Books Discount In-Reply-To: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DD3@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> Message-ID: <20040909153531.36158.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> I usually get all my books on half.com Shipping is like 2.49 and everything is cheap! From eli at then7.com Thu Sep 9 12:44:38 2004 From: eli at then7.com (eli@then7.com) Date: Thu Sep 9 11:29:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] slack10: double check my rc.local Message-ID: <2186.67.11.168.235.1094748278.squirrel@67.11.168.235> I just wanted some input on my usage of /etc/rc.d/rc.local startup script in slack10. Here's what mine looks like, and everything seems to run fine. /usr/sbin/postfix start & /usr/cyrus/bin/master & /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a shadow & /etc/idxscripts/pureftpd.sh & /usr/bin/rsync --daemon & Does this look OK? or is there a better/more-correct way? Thanks, Eli From eli at then7.com Thu Sep 9 13:15:52 2004 From: eli at then7.com (eli@then7.com) Date: Thu Sep 9 12:00:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] downsides to rsyncing entire file system? Message-ID: <2212.67.11.168.235.1094750152.squirrel@67.11.168.235> just like the subject says, are there any downsides/pitfalls to rsyncing the whole file system from a live server to a backup server? ~e From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 15:27:49 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Sep 9 14:11:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] downsides to rsyncing entire file system? In-Reply-To: <2212.67.11.168.235.1094750152.squirrel@67.11.168.235> References: <2212.67.11.168.235.1094750152.squirrel@67.11.168.235> Message-ID: <79ec289f040909122777f95e59@mail.gmail.com> Nope, we do it on several servers here and across the US. The only thing that could possibly be a downside is the first time you run it, it will take longer the first time. But once that's done, add --no-whole-file to your rsync script and you'll just transfer the changes instead of the whole file. On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:15:52 -0500 (CDT), eli@then7.com wrote: > just like the subject says, are there any downsides/pitfalls to rsyncing > the whole file system from a live server to a backup server? > > ~e > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 9 16:14:51 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 9 14:56:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] kde process table Message-ID: <1094768091.2573.40.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> What is the shortcut key combination to bring up the KDE process table? -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 9 16:57:10 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 9 15:38:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] kde process table In-Reply-To: <1094768091.2573.40.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1094768091.2573.40.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1094770630.2579.42.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> I figured it out. It is ctrl+esc On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 15:14, N. David Guarneri wrote: > What is the shortcut key combination to bring up the KDE process table? -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From poirier at stic.net Thu Sep 9 19:50:08 2004 From: poirier at stic.net (Craig) Date: Thu Sep 9 18:36:03 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] linux digial receptionist / PBX stuff Message-ID: <414089C0.4050407@stic.net> Anyone have any experience with using the following that they'd be willing to share? Opensource PBX http://www.asterisk.org/ or as a load in go cd setup http://knopsterisk.com/ Digital receptionist (VOCP) : http://www.vocpsystem.com/ Thanks in advance From timothybolding at grandecom.net Thu Sep 9 21:38:02 2004 From: timothybolding at grandecom.net (Tim Bolding) Date: Thu Sep 9 20:22:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] linux digial receptionist / PBX stuff In-Reply-To: <414089C0.4050407@stic.net> Message-ID: <000101c496d6$d02ec3f0$6a17fea9@deadhead> I've played around with it at home. Since I do not have a voip phone currently( that will change soon) I didn't get to fully test it. I did get it setup to answer the phone and do routing attendant( press 1 for such and such press 2 yadda yadda yadda). I know a company in Austin that has it running it their lab with a PRI PCI card and several phones. They say they love it but that the release they were working with was not stable for long periods of time and heavy call volumes. If you ask on the lists they will help you getting an X100p modem working. The only thing I didn't like was that it doesn't pass on call waiting from what I read. T -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:50 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] linux digial receptionist / PBX stuff Anyone have any experience with using the following that they'd be willing to share? Opensource PBX http://www.asterisk.org/ or as a load in go cd setup http://knopsterisk.com/ Digital receptionist (VOCP) : http://www.vocpsystem.com/ Thanks in advance _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net Fri Sep 10 10:39:01 2004 From: tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net (Travis Miller) Date: Fri Sep 10 09:47:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] downsides to rsyncing entire file system? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040909122777f95e59@mail.gmail.com> References: <2212.67.11.168.235.1094750152.squirrel@67.11.168.235> <79ec289f040909122777f95e59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4141BC85.9040101@web-1hosting.net> Let me start by saying, I do this also and it does work pretty well. BUT, there are some issues to consider when rysncing systems. You have to realize that the backup you are getting when using rsync is not a single "snapshot" of the file system - its more of a "photo album" of snapshots. Maybe I should try to explain a little more. To get a really consistent backup you need to be able to capture, in an instant, the entire file system and make a copy of it. Unfortunately due to file system size this is impossible with rsync. This is possible, I believe, using LVM or XFS. Lets say you are making a backup of a webserver, and on this webserver you are also running MySQL. Your backup starts at 3:00am but is just so happens that some user decides to login and make some changes to their files at the exact same time - a time line of events follows: 03:00:00 - backups starts and begins backup of entire system 03:00:01 - user login 03:00:02 - user uploads new PHP script to use new database format 03:00:03 - rsync updates home directories 03:00:05 - rysnc completes changes and exits 03:00:07 - user updates mysql database with new tables. 04:00:00 - server crashes 04:10:00 - server back up and running from backup server 10:30:00 - user calls because his PHP/MySQL has been failing all morning, he did not realize it and has just lost $20K in sales. Of course there are better ways of replicating mysql, but my point stands. When you simply use rsync to make backups you are getting copies of individual files as rsync gets to them - not copies of entire file systems. Just something to think about! - Travis Jeremy Mann wrote: > Nope, we do it on several servers here and across the US. The only > thing that could possibly be a downside is the first time you run it, > it will take longer the first time. But once that's done, add > --no-whole-file to your rsync script and you'll just transfer the > changes instead of the whole file. > > > > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:15:52 -0500 (CDT), eli@then7.com wrote: > >>just like the subject says, are there any downsides/pitfalls to rsyncing >>the whole file system from a live server to a backup server? >> >>~e >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > > > > From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 11:15:23 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Sep 10 09:59:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] downsides to rsyncing entire file system? In-Reply-To: <4141BC85.9040101@web-1hosting.net> References: <2212.67.11.168.235.1094750152.squirrel@67.11.168.235> <79ec289f040909122777f95e59@mail.gmail.com> <4141BC85.9040101@web-1hosting.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f04091008154a2af834@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:39:01 -0500, Travis Miller wrote: > Of course there are better ways of replicating mysql, but my point stands. When > you simply use rsync to make backups you are getting copies of individual files > as rsync gets to them - not copies of entire file systems. Furthermore, for important data as your example, plus mail spools, home directories, you should rsync more frequently, say every 10 minutes. -- Jeremy From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 16:09:21 2004 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Sep 10 14:53:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] It's offical sportsfans.... Message-ID: <869de8470409101309ed23543@mail.gmail.com> I do believe that we have reached the saturation point for GMAIL invites... FIRESTORM_v1 From chardon47 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 14:28:31 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Fri Sep 10 15:12:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] It's offical sportsfans.... In-Reply-To: <869de8470409101309ed23543@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20040910202831.79658.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Shucks and I have six to give out... FIRESTORM_v1 wrote:I do believe that we have reached the saturation point for GMAIL invites... FIRESTORM_v1 _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Illegitimus non Carborundum" "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." From hstreit at swri.edu Thu Sep 9 14:03:02 2004 From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit) Date: Fri Sep 10 15:24:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] slack10: double check my rc.local In-Reply-To: <2186.67.11.168.235.1094748278.squirrel@67.11.168.235> References: <2186.67.11.168.235.1094748278.squirrel@67.11.168.235> Message-ID: <41409AD6.90600@swri.edu> I'm a big fan of: --8<--Cut Here--8<-- #!/bin/bash # First we check if the binary is executable if [ -x /usr/sbin/postfix ]; then # Then we check if the config file is readable if [ -r /etc/postfix.conf ]; then # We let the console know what we're doing echo ">>>>>[ Starting Postfix: ]<<<<<" . /usr/sbin/postfix && \ echo ">>>>>[ Starting Postfix: Done ]<<<<<" # Then we tell the Console we're done. fi fi --8<--Cut Here--8<-- Then again, I'd just make a rc.postfix by copying the rc.samba script (gotta love the "start, stop, restart" layout)and editing it accordingly, then I'd just have an rc.local that looked like: #!/bin/bash if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.postfix ]; then echo ">>>>>[ Starting Postfix: ]<<<<<" . /etc/rc.d/rc.postfix start echo ">>>>>[ Starting Postfix: Done ]<<<<<" fi if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.cyrus-master ]; then echo ">>>>>[ Starting Cyrus - Master: ]<<<<<" . /etc/rc.d/rc.cyrus-master start echo ">>>>>[ Starting Cyrux - Master: Done ]<<<<<" fi ...etc... eli@then7.com wrote: > I just wanted some input on my usage of /etc/rc.d/rc.local startup script > in slack10. > > Here's what mine looks like, and everything seems to run fine. > > /usr/sbin/postfix start & > /usr/cyrus/bin/master & > /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a shadow & > /etc/idxscripts/pureftpd.sh & > /usr/bin/rsync --daemon & > > Does this look OK? or is there a better/more-correct way? > > Thanks, > Eli From jr7958 at sbc.com Fri Sep 10 16:41:13 2004 From: jr7958 at sbc.com (REYNOLDS, JEREMY (SBCSI)) Date: Fri Sep 10 15:25:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] It's offical sportsfans.... Message-ID: <8C905E5B8FC22A41A92CFBF81F2ACFA0052DD9@MOSTLS1MSGUSR11.ITServices.sbc.com> That's old news. I sent out invites a couple of weeks ago and only got 1 taker. > I do believe that we have reached the saturation point for GMAIL invites... > > FIRESTORM_v1 From mjordan at iphysh.com Fri Sep 10 16:46:02 2004 From: mjordan at iphysh.com (Martin) Date: Fri Sep 10 15:30:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] It's offical sportsfans.... References: <20040910202831.79658.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c49777$32537850$aaa0fea9@Enigma> I've been sending mine to Kevin Rose of G4TechTv www.kevinrose.com and he is distributing them to his minions. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: "FIRESTORM_v1" ; "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] It's offical sportsfans.... > Shucks and I have six to give out... > > FIRESTORM_v1 wrote:I do believe that we have > reached the saturation point for GMAIL invites... > > FIRESTORM_v1 > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > Bill Hatfield K5KCR > > "Illegitimus non Carborundum" > > "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Sep 10 17:14:52 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Sep 10 15:58:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] downsides to rsyncing entire file system? Message-ID: <200409102114.i8ALEqrh002627@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Guys, if you need up to the second synchronization, I believe a RAID Level 1 array will be the best "backup" option. It will mirror the data from a first drive onto a second drive. -Borries > > > Of course there are better ways of replicating mysql, but my point stands. When > > you simply use rsync to make backups you are getting copies of individual files > > as rsync gets to them - not copies of entire file systems. > > Furthermore, for important data as your example, plus mail spools, > home directories, you should rsync more frequently, say every 10 > minutes. > > > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From ramadoss at gbronline.com Fri Sep 10 19:37:36 2004 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Fri Sep 10 18:21:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20040910183456.00acec20@mail.gbronline.com> I have a couple of GMail invites available. Contact me off-line if you need one; will go first come first served. Ramadoss -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 09/03/04 From ziriax at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 20:31:45 2004 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Fri Sep 10 19:15:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20040910183456.00acec20@mail.gbronline.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040910183456.00acec20@mail.gbronline.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e04091017317e929ce6@mail.gmail.com> I've got some too, if there's anybody left. The usual drill John On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:37:36 -0500, MKR wrote: > I have a couple of GMail invites available. > > Contact me off-line if you need one; will go first come first served. > > Ramadoss > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 09/03/04 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > -- John From sasimpson at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 23:15:49 2004 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Fri Sep 10 21:59:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available In-Reply-To: <31bde60e04091017317e929ce6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040910183456.00acec20@mail.gbronline.com> <31bde60e04091017317e929ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: as do i... On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:31:45 -0500, John Ziriax wrote: > I've got some too, if there's anybody left. > > The usual drill > > John > > > > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:37:36 -0500, MKR wrote: > > I have a couple of GMail invites available. > > > > Contact me off-line if you need one; will go first come first served. > > > > Ramadoss > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 09/03/04 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > -- > John > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 10 23:48:00 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes) Date: Fri Sep 10 22:32:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409110348.i8B3m2Q2017413@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> I thought I would never say this, but GMAIL invites are now at the point of annoyance. Just like Beanie Babies... They were great when they were rare, and valued, but now they are overwhelming, and everyone has one. (everybody) as in people actually interested. I have been lately trying to just shove a gmail account to anyone I met on the street. After I deplete my invites, I end up with 6 more. Then to find, everyone I have invited thus far, now have 6 of their own to give out. I'll go with the Kevinrose.com site, and try to give away mine, but I doubt google will stop giving me invites. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Scott Simpson Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:16 PM To: John Ziriax; The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available as do i... On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:31:45 -0500, John Ziriax wrote: > I've got some too, if there's anybody left. > > The usual drill > > John > > > > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:37:36 -0500, MKR wrote: > > I have a couple of GMail invites available. > > > > Contact me off-line if you need one; will go first come first served. > > > > Ramadoss > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 09/03/04 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > -- > John > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From edcoates at gmail.com Sat Sep 11 01:06:57 2004 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Fri Sep 10 23:51:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] SCSI problems with Kernel 2.6.7 Message-ID: <8ee65edd04091022063e6b07b1@mail.gmail.com> Got a small problem guys that I'm hoping that someone can figure out. I've got a P4 2GHz with 512MB of RAM with a DLT4000 tape drive attached to an Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter. It's loaded with SuSE 9.1 Pro and running kernel 2.6.5 default kernel from SuSE. It doesn't matter whether I use Arkeia to try and do tape backup, or tar from the command line, it will start writing to tape for a bit, then it will stop and finally error out and take the card offline. I have to offload the modules and reload them to get it recognized again. Has anyone seen anything like this before, and is it possible to fix it? Sep 10 22:44:39 nighthawk kernel: st0: Block limits 1 - 16777215 bytes. Sep 10 22:45:11 nighthawk nmbd[14278]: [2004/09/10 22:45:11, 0] nmbd/nmbd_browsesync.c:find_domain_master_name_query_fail(350) Sep 10 22:45:11 nighthawk nmbd[14278]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: Sep 10 22:45:11 nighthawk nmbd[14278]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name SHADOWLAND<1b> for the workgroup SHADOWLAND. Sep 10 22:45:11 nighthawk nmbd[14278]: Unable to sync browse lists in this workgroup. Sep 10 22:46:46 nighthawk su: (to root) edcoates on /dev/pts/1 Sep 10 22:46:46 nighthawk su: pam_unix2: session started for user root, service su Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: paride: unsupported module, tainting kernel. Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: unsupported module, tainting kernel. Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pga: Autoprobe failed Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: No ATAPI device detected Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pg (/lib/modules/2.6.5-7.108-default/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pg.ko): Operation not permitted Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: unsupported module, tainting kernel. Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pga: Autoprobe failed Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: No ATAPI device detected Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pg (/lib/modules/2.6.5-7.108-default/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pg.ko): Operation not permitted Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: unsupported module, tainting kernel. Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pga: Autoprobe failed Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: No ATAPI device detected Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pg (/lib/modules/2.6.5-7.108-default/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pg.ko): Operation not permitted Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: unsupported module, tainting kernel. Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pga: Autoprobe failed Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk kernel: pg: No ATAPI device detected Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pg (/lib/modules/2.6.5-7.108-default/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pg.ko): Operation not permitted Sep 10 22:48:47 nighthawk cdrecord: resmgr: server response code 200 Sep 10 22:55:48 nighthawk kernel: ALSA sound/pci/via82xx.c:728: invalid via82xx_cur_ptr, using last valid pointer Sep 10 22:55:48 nighthawk last message repeated 7 times Sep 10 22:57:29 nighthawk kernel: pg: unsupported module, tainting kernel. Sep 10 22:57:29 nighthawk kernel: pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 Sep 10 22:57:29 nighthawk kernel: pga: Autoprobe failed Sep 10 22:57:29 nighthawk kernel: pg: No ATAPI device detected Sep 10 22:57:59 nighthawk kernel: ALSA sound/pci/via82xx.c:728: invalid via82xx_cur_ptr, using last valid pointer Sep 10 22:57:59 nighthawk last message repeated 8 times Sep 10 22:59:00 nighthawk /USR/SBIN/CRON[18834]: (root) CMD ( rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly) Sep 10 22:59:07 nighthawk kernel: ALSA sound/pci/via82xx.c:728: invalid via82xx_cur_ptr, using last valid pointer Sep 10 22:59:20 nighthawk last message repeated 17 times Sep 10 23:00:00 nighthawk /USR/SBIN/CRON[18844]: (edcoates) CMD (fetchmail > /dev/null 2>&1) Sep 10 23:00:00 nighthawk /USR/SBIN/CRON[18846]: (seti) CMD (cd /srv/www/htdocs/seti/nightscape; ./setiathome -nice 19 > /dev/null 2> /dev/null) Sep 10 23:00:11 nighthawk nmbd[14278]: [2004/09/10 23:00:11, 0] nmbd/nmbd_browsesync.c:find_domain_master_name_query_fail(350) Sep 10 23:00:11 nighthawk nmbd[14278]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: Sep 10 23:00:11 nighthawk nmbd[14278]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name SHADOWLAND<1b> for the workgroup SHADOWLAND. Sep 10 23:00:11 nighthawk nmbd[14278]: Unable to sync browse lists in this workgroup. Sep 10 23:00:37 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Attempting to queue an ABORT message Sep 10 23:00:37 nighthawk kernel: CDB: 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 Sep 10 23:00:37 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Command found on device queue Sep 10 23:00:37 nighthawk kernel: aic7xxx_abort returns 0x2002 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Attempting to queue an ABORT message Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: CDB: 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Command found on device queue Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: aic7xxx_abort returns 0x2002 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Attempting to queue an ABORT message Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: CDB: 0xa 0x0 0x0 0xe0 0x0 0x0 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: scsi0: At time of recovery, card was not paused Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dump Card State Begins <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: scsi0: Dumping Card State in Data-out phase, at SEQADDR 0x78 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Card was paused Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: ACCUM = 0x0, SINDEX = 0x8, DINDEX = 0x8f, ARG_2 = 0xff Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: HCNT = 0x0 SCBPTR = 0x0 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCSISIGI[0x4]:(BSYI) ERROR[0x0] SCSIBUSL[0xb] LASTPHASE[0x0] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCSISEQ[0x12]:(ENAUTOATNP|ENRSELI) SBLKCTL[0x2]:(SELWIDE) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCSIRATE[0xf]:(SXFR_ULTRA2) SEQCTL[0x10]:(FASTMODE) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SEQ_FLAGS[0x20]:(DPHASE) SSTAT0[0x0] SSTAT1[0x3]:(REQINIT|PHASECHG) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SSTAT2[0x0] SSTAT3[0xf]:(OFFCNT) SIMODE0[0x0] SIMODE1[0xac]:(ENSCSIPERR|ENBUSFREE|ENSCSIRST|ENSELTIMO) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SXFRCTL0[0x80]:(DFON) DFCNTRL[0x7c]:(DIRECTION|HDMAEN|SDMAEN|SCSIEN|WIDEODD) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: DFSTATUS[0x6d]:(FIFOEMP|DFTHRESH|HDONE|FIFOQWDEMP|DFCACHETH) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: STACK: 0x0 0x166 0x196 0x95 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB count = 4 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Kernel NEXTQSCB = 2 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Card NEXTQSCB = 2 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: QINFIFO entries: Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Waiting Queue entries: Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Sequencer SCB Info: Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 0 SCB_CONTROL[0x40]:(DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x47] SCB_LUN[0x0] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_TAG[0x3] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 1 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 2 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 3 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 4 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 5 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 6 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 7 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 8 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 9 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 10 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 11 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 12 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 13 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 14 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 15 SCB_CONTROL[0x0] SCB_SCSIID[0xff]:(TWIN_CHNLB|OID|TWIN_TID) Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: SCB_LUN[0xff]:(SCB_XFERLEN_ODD|LID) SCB_TAG[0xff] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Pending list: Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: 3 SCB_CONTROL[0x40]:(DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x47] SCB_LUN[0x0] Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Kernel Free SCB list: 1 0 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Untagged Q(4): 3 Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: DevQ(0:4:0): 0 waiting Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Dump Card State Ends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Device is active, asserting ATN Sep 10 23:01:07 nighthawk kernel: Recovery code sleeping Sep 10 23:01:12 nighthawk kernel: Recovery code awake Sep 10 23:01:12 nighthawk kernel: Timer Expired Sep 10 23:01:12 nighthawk kernel: aic7xxx_abort returns 0x2003 Sep 10 23:01:12 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Attempting to queue a TARGET RESET message Sep 10 23:01:12 nighthawk kernel: CDB: 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 Sep 10 23:01:12 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Command not found Sep 10 23:01:12 nighthawk kernel: aic7xxx_dev_reset returns 0x2002 Sep 10 23:01:42 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Attempting to queue an ABORT message Sep 10 23:01:42 nighthawk kernel: CDB: 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 Sep 10 23:01:42 nighthawk kernel: scsi0:0:4:0: Command found on device queue Sep 10 23:01:42 nighthawk kernel: aic7xxx_abort returns 0x2002 Sep 10 23:01:42 nighthawk kernel: Recovery SCB completes Sep 10 23:01:53 nighthawk kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 4 lun 0 Sep 10 23:01:53 nighthawk kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 4 lun 0 Sep 10 23:01:53 nighthawk kernel: st0: Error 8 (sugg. bt 0x0, driver bt 0x0, host bt 0x0). From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Sep 11 01:49:08 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Sep 11 00:33:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] hosts.deny usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200409110049.08146.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 09 September 2004 07:19 am, Bryan Scott wrote: > Hello, > > I saw a little traffic last week about hosts.deny. I thought that was > an interesting idea, so I tried to set it up. So far it appears that > it may not be working. LogWatch is complaining. > > Hosts.deny file: > ALL : 163.27.160.84, 220.73.215.151, 211.108.61.104, 210.3.1.38 Your usage is fine... Here's another working example: ALL : 10.1.1.1, 10.2.2.2, 192.168.128. The last is a network with only 3 octets and a trailing ".". As in 192.168.128.* > This is what I have changed it too currently. I have read some other > places, and the man. But it seems as if I am missing something or, > there is something I am overlooking. My assumption is that if I place > ALL : x.x.x.x that host will be denied all tcp connections to the > box. All connections of daemons that are compiled against libwrap or that are spawned through xinetd yes.. but not all deamons are. To find out which daemons are compiled against libwrap (or hosts_access to be exact), run these commands: To Show you main daemons,a dn Xinetd sub daemons that can be controlled by hosts_access allow/deny files: # strings -f /usr/sbin/* /sbin/* | grep hosts_access | cut -f1 -d: | sort -u ; chkconfig --list |grep -v [0-z]:[\!o] | cut -f1 -d: | sort |cut -f2 | grep -v ^xin Here are some from a RedHat 7.2 box: /sbin/portmap /usr/sbin/rpc.rquotad /usr/sbin/sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail /usr/sbin/snmpd /usr/sbin/snmptrapd /usr/sbin/sshd /usr/sbin/stunnel /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/xinetd /usr/sbin/xinetd-ipv6 amanda amandaidx amidxtape chargen chargen-udp daytime daytime-udp echo echo-udp finger kotalk ktalk ntalk rexec rlogin rsh rsync servers services sgi_fam talk telnet time time-udp vsftpd Which ones are missing? Who knows man... I would just go with iptables. iptables does not rely on daemon compile time options and so is just more reliable. > Did I miss something. Below is the complaint from LogWatch. > > warning: /etc/hosts.deny, line 9: missing ":" separator > warning: /etc/hosts.deny, line 10: missing ":" separator > Can someone point out why I am an idiot. All I want to do is deny certain > hosts. Typos are very easy to make in these files... and the repercussions are significant. ;) You usage in this email is fine (no, the whitespace will not hurt anything)... Cat out your hosts.deny and let's have a closer looksee. :) Tweeks From leoem at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 11 04:19:27 2004 From: leoem at satx.rr.com (Leo E. Midha) Date: Sat Sep 11 03:02:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available In-Reply-To: <200409110348.i8B3m2Q2017413@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <200409110818.i8B8IlQ1018838@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> I got 6 aswell, what I want to know, is how some of you managed to get the URLs for sign ups. I'm stupped on that. NetrixTardis -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT d--- s:- a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+++ N o- K--- w O+ M V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t++ 5++ X+ R* tv++ b+ DI+ D+ G e h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Forbes Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:48 PM To: 'Scott Simpson'; 'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List' Subject: RE: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available I thought I would never say this, but GMAIL invites are now at the point of annoyance. Just like Beanie Babies... They were great when they were rare, and valued, but now they are overwhelming, and everyone has one. (everybody) as in people actually interested. I have been lately trying to just shove a gmail account to anyone I met on the street. After I deplete my invites, I end up with 6 more. Then to find, everyone I have invited thus far, now have 6 of their own to give out. I'll go with the Kevinrose.com site, and try to give away mine, but I doubt google will stop giving me invites. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Scott Simpson Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:16 PM To: John Ziriax; The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available as do i... On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:31:45 -0500, John Ziriax wrote: > I've got some too, if there's anybody left. > > The usual drill > > John > > > > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:37:36 -0500, MKR wrote: > > I have a couple of GMail invites available. > > > > Contact me off-line if you need one; will go first come first served. > > > > Ramadoss > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 09/03/04 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > -- > John > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- scott sasimpson@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From ramadoss at gbronline.com Sat Sep 11 10:51:59 2004 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Sat Sep 11 09:35:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] GMail Invites - Available In-Reply-To: <200409110818.i8B8IlQ1018838@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> References: <200409110348.i8B3m2Q2017413@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20040911095050.00aa30b0@mail.gbronline.com> From within Gmail, send yourself an invite and your will get the URL in the msg received by you. mkr At 03:19 AM 09/11/04 -0500, Leo E. Midha wrote: >I got 6 aswell, what I want to know, is how some of you managed to get the >URLs for sign ups. >I'm stupped on that. > >NetrixTardis -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 09/03/04 From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Sep 11 10:54:34 2004 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Sat Sep 11 09:41:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] geek night at the movies Message-ID: <414311AA.20007@cis.sac.accd.edu> In Middle Earth history September and October were very busy months: September 2, 1973 J.R.R. Tolkein died September 15, 1977 "The Simarillion" was first published--I bought one of the first copies September 21, 1037 "The Hobbit" was first published October 2, 1980 "Unfinished Tales" was first published October 20, 1955 "Return of the King" was first published So much for the history lesson. Anyone interested in getting together October 2 to work on "stuff?" Bring in any problem you have been working on--maybe someone can help. Maybe you want to show something new you have been working on. E-mail me at skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu and I will post items of interest on my web site http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars . I thought we might show the entire "Lord of the Rings" trilogy during the event (bet you were wondering how I was going to work that back in). How does noon - whenever on the 2nd sound? Steve From eli at then7.com Sat Sep 11 21:00:53 2004 From: eli at then7.com (eli@then7.com) Date: Sat Sep 11 19:46:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] slack10: double check my rc.local In-Reply-To: <41409AD6.90600@swri.edu> References: <2186.67.11.168.235.1094748278.squirrel@67.11.168.235> <41409AD6.90600@swri.edu> Message-ID: <1225.67.11.198.92.1094950853.squirrel@67.11.198.92> excellent, i should have thought of looking at the other scripts and use them as a template. thanks for the suggestion/hints. ~e > I'm a big fan of: > > --8<--Cut Here--8<-- > #!/bin/bash > # First we check if the binary is executable > if [ -x /usr/sbin/postfix ]; then > # Then we check if the config file is readable > if [ -r /etc/postfix.conf ]; then > # We let the console know what we're doing > echo ">>>>>[ Starting Postfix: ]<<<<<" > . /usr/sbin/postfix && \ > echo ">>>>>[ Starting Postfix: Done ]<<<<<" > # Then we tell the Console we're done. > fi > fi > --8<--Cut Here--8<-- > > Then again, I'd just make a rc.postfix by copying the rc.samba script > (gotta love the "start, stop, restart" layout)and editing it > accordingly, then I'd just have an rc.local that looked like: > #!/bin/bash > if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.postfix ]; then > echo ">>>>>[ Starting Postfix: ]<<<<<" > . /etc/rc.d/rc.postfix start > echo ">>>>>[ Starting Postfix: Done ]<<<<<" > fi > > if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.cyrus-master ]; then > echo ">>>>>[ Starting Cyrus - Master: ]<<<<<" > . /etc/rc.d/rc.cyrus-master start > echo ">>>>>[ Starting Cyrux - Master: Done ]<<<<<" > fi > > ...etc... > > eli@then7.com wrote: >> I just wanted some input on my usage of /etc/rc.d/rc.local startup >> script >> in slack10. >> >> Here's what mine looks like, and everything seems to run fine. >> >> /usr/sbin/postfix start & >> /usr/cyrus/bin/master & >> /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a shadow & >> /etc/idxscripts/pureftpd.sh & >> /usr/bin/rsync --daemon & >> >> Does this look OK? or is there a better/more-correct way? >> >> Thanks, >> Eli > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From eli at then7.com Sat Sep 11 21:09:10 2004 From: eli at then7.com (eli@then7.com) Date: Sat Sep 11 19:54:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] downsides to rsyncing entire file system? In-Reply-To: <200409102114.i8ALEqrh002627@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200409102114.i8ALEqrh002627@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1245.67.11.198.92.1094951350.squirrel@67.11.198.92> Thanks for all the info guys. I am running raid 1 and 5 on various servers, and I was running rsync against the entire file system at one point. Ran into some trouble and I wasn't sure if rsync was part of the problem. Turned out to be a bad drive controller. I then intended to reinstate full file system rsyncs, but just wanted to run this by the list...just to make sure. Thanks again, ~e > > Guys, > > if you need up to the second synchronization, I believe a RAID Level 1 > array > will be the best "backup" option. It will mirror the data from a first > drive > onto a second drive. > > -Borries > >> >> > Of course there are better ways of replicating mysql, but my point >> stands. When >> > you simply use rsync to make backups you are getting copies of >> individual files >> > as rsync gets to them - not copies of entire file systems. >> >> Furthermore, for important data as your example, plus mail spools, >> home directories, you should rsync more frequently, say every 10 >> minutes. >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeremy >> _______________________________________________ >> Satlug mailing list >> Satlug@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From ruben50 at gmail.com Sat Sep 11 21:12:09 2004 From: ruben50 at gmail.com (Ruben G. Villanueva) Date: Sat Sep 11 19:56:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Skype In-Reply-To: <200409061307.i86D7f1W000598@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200409061307.i86D7f1W000598@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <3dfab634040911181227ff3d9b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:03:33 -0500 (CDT), Borries Demeler wrote: > Has anyone here in SA used Skype for Linux yet? For those of you who don't > know what Skype is (http://www.skype.com/): It's an application that > let's you use a headset, broadband connection and a computer (Windows, > Linux, Mac-OSX) with a sound card as a telephone. Anyone who is running > skype can talk VoIP (voice over IP) to another skype user for *free*, > regardless where in the world the other person is. For a very modest fee > (2-3 cents/min), you can also call anyone in the world. > > It just installed it on my Linux box, it seems to work just fine, now I > am looking for someone here in SA who wants to talk over skype so I can > test it out. Anyone willing to give me a call? (userID: borries_demeler) > I have been using Skype for Linux since it came out. I just don't have anyone to talk to becuase my parents are never home and my brother does not have his puter up yet. He just got stationed in Ft. Gordon. My ID in Skyper is ruben50 if you want to test it out. -- Ruben G. Villanueva 4900 USAA Blvd. apt. 311 San Antonio, TX 78240 (210) 355-0881 From johnshanks at gmail.com Sun Sep 12 14:20:34 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Sun Sep 12 15:04:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Thanks for your help. In-Reply-To: <3dfab634040911181227ff3d9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200409061307.i86D7f1W000598@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <3dfab634040911181227ff3d9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <545786a604091213204bf53f16@mail.gmail.com> I just wanted to say thanks, after getting some help and advice from you guys at the computer show this last Saturday I was able to get a Fedora install working perfectly in dual boot with XP. Thanks a lot. Especially to Nate. I appreciate it. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Sep 12 23:26:54 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Sep 12 22:11:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Thanks for your help. In-Reply-To: <545786a604091213204bf53f16@mail.gmail.com> References: <200409061307.i86D7f1W000598@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <3dfab634040911181227ff3d9b@mail.gmail.com> <545786a604091213204bf53f16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200409122226.54841.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 12 September 2004 03:20 pm, john shanks wrote: > I just wanted to say thanks, after getting some help and advice from > you guys at the computer show this last Saturday I was able to get a > Fedora install working perfectly in dual boot with XP. Ahh.. the dual booter guy? Glad to hear you got it working. The BIOS problem isn't REAL common... usually isn't a problem on most hardware. > > Thanks a lot. Especially to Nate. I appreciate it. Yeah.. Nate's a great resource to have around, and a real Open Source Saint... :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Sep 12 23:32:00 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Sep 12 22:16:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] geek night at the movies In-Reply-To: <414311AA.20007@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <414311AA.20007@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <200409122232.00725.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 11 September 2004 09:54 am, steve kolars wrote: > I thought we might show the entire "Lord of the Rings" trilogy during > the event (bet you were wondering how I was going to work that back > in). How does noon - whenever on the 2nd sound? Oo.. My wife might come out if you're going to show all three.. :) She's a big Tolkein fan... even took a class on him, his life, and his works and has read all of his works (says that "The Simarillion" was a tough read). Sounds fun Steve.. Let me know what kinda bites you get. :) Tweeks From mayonakaha at vashir.com Sun Sep 12 23:52:26 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (Mike Duncan) Date: Sun Sep 12 23:36:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] geek night at the movies In-Reply-To: <200409122232.00725.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <414311AA.20007@cis.sac.accd.edu> <200409122232.00725.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4145278A.8020406@vashir.com> No kidding "The Simarillion" is a tough read.. I can barely get through it and I've been reading books all my life. Ah well, very enjoyable to read the history of Middle Earth. Wish I could come guys but you would have to send me a plane ticket to SA. Mike D. Tom Weeks wrote: >On Saturday 11 September 2004 09:54 am, steve kolars wrote: > > > >>I thought we might show the entire "Lord of the Rings" trilogy during >>the event (bet you were wondering how I was going to work that back >>in). How does noon - whenever on the 2nd sound? >> >> > >Oo.. My wife might come out if you're going to show all three.. :) >She's a big Tolkein fan... even took a class on him, his life, and his works >and has read all of his works (says that "The Simarillion" was a tough read). > >Sounds fun Steve.. Let me know what kinda bites you get. :) > >Tweeks >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- It's like an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a warm flour tortilla with sour cream and guacamole. From gwillden at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 09:10:22 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Mon Sep 13 07:54:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] geek night at the movies In-Reply-To: <4145278A.8020406@vashir.com> References: <414311AA.20007@cis.sac.accd.edu> <200409122232.00725.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4145278A.8020406@vashir.com> Message-ID: <345e55a5040913061041d60372@mail.gmail.com> I didn't think that The Simarillion was that hard. I really enjoyed it. There are some good stories in there. Regards, Greg On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:52:26 -0600, Mike Duncan wrote: > No kidding "The Simarillion" is a tough read.. I can barely get through > it and I've been reading books all my life. Ah well, very enjoyable to > read the history of Middle Earth. From lblodgett at macosx.com Mon Sep 13 12:06:53 2004 From: lblodgett at macosx.com (Larry Blodgett) Date: Mon Sep 13 10:50:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT software runs anywhere Message-ID: This is an amazing claim if it is true. I guess time will tell. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,64914,00.html Larry Blodgett lblodgett@mac.com From yatinhat at yahoo.com Mon Sep 13 11:51:06 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Mon Sep 13 12:35:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any Day Traders out there? In-Reply-To: <200409131700.i8DH0UY02106@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040913175106.30629.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> As of 12:46 pm 9/13/04 Quotes delayed 20+ minutes INTC 20.98 0.41 (1.99%) Intel Corp RHAT 15.03 0.74 (5.18%) Red Hat Inc AMD 13.08 0.87 (7.13%) Advanced Micro D DELL 36.35 0.34 (0.94%) Dell Inc IBM 87.00 0.24 (0.28%) International HPQ 18.70 0.49 (2.69%) Hewlett-Packard MSFT 27.44 -0.05 (-0.18%) Microsoft From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 13 14:12:14 2004 From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (mattvaldes@satx.rr.com) Date: Mon Sep 13 12:56:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any Day Traders out there? Message-ID: <600cdf5fcb7a.5fcb7a600cdf@texas.rr.com> I've never traded anything aside from baseball cards, but this is interesting to see. Thanks, Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Yatti Date: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:51 pm Subject: [SATLUG] Any Day Traders out there? > As of 12:46 pm 9/13/04 > > Quotes delayed 20+ minutes > INTC 20.98 0.41 (1.99%) Intel Corp > RHAT 15.03 0.74 (5.18%) Red Hat Inc > AMD 13.08 0.87 (7.13%) Advanced Micro D > DELL 36.35 0.34 (0.94%) Dell Inc > IBM 87.00 0.24 (0.28%) International > HPQ 18.70 0.49 (2.69%) Hewlett-Packard > MSFT 27.44 -0.05 (-0.18%) Microsoft > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From yatinhat at yahoo.com Mon Sep 13 12:20:51 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Mon Sep 13 13:04:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: geek night at the movies In-Reply-To: <200409131700.i8DH0UY02106@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040913182051.34882.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> I read parts of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings at 15 when I had the concentration span like my cat. The book didn't keep my attention. I've seen snipets of the movie where I work out and realized I may not be their 'target audience'. From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 13 14:50:13 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Mon Sep 13 13:30:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Any Day Traders out there? In-Reply-To: <20040913175106.30629.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040913175106.30629.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1095108612.2573.59.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Not a day trader, at least not until my "big break" (which won't happen for a while since I quit buying lottery tickets). I do keep up with industry news, however: http://biz.yahoo.com/cbsm-top/040913/3d9fb817f07011434fec4c49565bf0f9_1.html It would be wise to note that even though your hard earned cash comes from IT, tech stocks may not be the best investment. With the aging of the baby boomer population, insurance and solid-performing pharmaceudicals may be a better bet; but, having only traded Star Wars cards, who am I to say? On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 10:51, Mary Yatti wrote: > As of 12:46 pm 9/13/04 > > Quotes delayed 20+ minutes > INTC 20.98 0.41 (1.99%) Intel Corp > RHAT 15.03 0.74 (5.18%) Red Hat Inc > AMD 13.08 0.87 (7.13%) Advanced Micro D > DELL 36.35 0.34 (0.94%) Dell Inc > IBM 87.00 0.24 (0.28%) International > HPQ 18.70 0.49 (2.69%) Hewlett-Packard > MSFT 27.44 -0.05 (-0.18%) Microsoft > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 13 17:29:46 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Mon Sep 13 16:02:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Privacy issues with Gmail? Message-ID: <1095110987.11106.4.camel@zeus.matrix> Someone sent me this link regarding Gmail and I thought most of it was pure BS. Please let me know what you think? http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy-com On a side note, when asked what I felt about Gmail, I responded as so: That is an interesting link, however there are a few things that need to be addressed: There is an issue that I have with 'Problem 4' on that page. Problem 4: Inappropriate ad matching We don't use Gmail, but it is safe to assume that the ad matching is no better in Gmail, than it is in news articles that use contextual ad feeds from Google. Here's a screen shot that shows an inappropriate placement of Google ads in a news article. We also read about a lawyer who is experimenting with Gmail. He sent himself a message, and discovered that the law practice footer he uses at the bottom of all of his email triggered an ad for a competing law firm. The screen shot that he is referring to is a bit odd as Google is not geting the information from the news site but rather Doubleclick. It's doubleclick that is not passing the correct information to Google for processing. It's also worth mentioning that the screenshot is NOT a shot of Gmail but rather that of some news site. Gmail's ads are much less unobtrousive and take up about as much as an inch wide by three inch deep box on the right hand side of the mail you are reading. The Gmail ad targeting appears to be far superior than that of news sites (primarially because Google serves the ads not spyware-infested Doubleclick,etc..) and is usually head-on with the topic of discussion. Imagine my shock when talking to a friend about a firewire lattice network I see ads describing firewire hardware and custom-length cabling. Usually (in the case of Yahoo) their ads are mostly for the University of Phoneix, Morgatgage your house, and ink toner refills. Another issue that the page doesn't mention is that MSN, Hotmail, Yahoo Mail and the other free services all use advertising as well A lot of it is targeted against the content of the message that you happen to be reading at the time. This has been proven time and time again to be wildly inaccurate. What does home mortgages have to do with a server log? If these people don't like Gmail's TOS, why aren't they quoting the old version versus the new versions? Have these people looked at Yahoo's TOS? This is Yahoo's TOS: They do censoring: You acknowledge that Yahoo! may or may not pre-screen Content, but that Yahoo! and its designees shall have the right (but not the obligation) in their sole discretion to pre-screen, refuse, or move any Content that is available via the Service.... They too will turn over your personally identifiable info in a heartbeat: You acknowledge, consent and agree that Yahoo! may access, preserve, and disclose your account information and Content if required to do so by law or in a good faith belief that such access preservation or disclosure is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process; (b) enforce the TOS; (c) respond to claims that any Content violates the rights of third-parties; (d) respond to your requests for customer service; or (e) protect the rights, property, or personal safety of Yahoo!, its users and the public..... If pushed, they can tell you what you can and can not do with your information: You understand that the Service and software embodied within the Service may include security components that permit digital materials to be protected, and use of these materials is subject to usage rules set by Yahoo! and/or content providers who provide content to the Service..... Yahoo's privacy statement can be found at http://privacy.yahoo.com To those of you reading Yahoo through Outlook or other HTML based email client might want to reconsider if privacy is a big thing. Yahoo freely admits to using 'web beacons' which are a way of telling when/if a message has been opened, by whom and how many times it has been forwarded, etc. Details on web beacons can be found here: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html If these people really want to nitpick, the only way to have guaranteed security with your email would be to buy a dedicated server, load it up with a monster-sized HD and let it send and receive email. That way you don't have to worry about your email client working against you, but what about the people who read it. I'm open to discussion however I'm afraid that this is more sensationalist than the issue really is. What are your thoughts? From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 17:59:12 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 13 16:43:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Privacy issues with Gmail? In-Reply-To: <1095110987.11106.4.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1095110987.11106.4.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <79ec289f040913145922d38229@mail.gmail.com> Whenever you have something that is stored on somebody else's server for free, you cannot expect 100% security. There is always a catch. But I'd rather have it on Google than Yahoo. On 13 Sep 2004 16:29:46 -0500, Matt wrote: > Someone sent me this link regarding Gmail and I thought most of it was > pure BS. Please let me know what you think? > > http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy-com > > On a side note, when asked what I felt about Gmail, I responded as so: > > That is an interesting link, however there are a few things that need to > be addressed: > > There is an issue that I have with 'Problem 4' on that page. > Problem 4: Inappropriate ad matching > > We don't use Gmail, but it is safe to assume that the ad matching is no > better in Gmail, than it is in news articles that use contextual ad > feeds from Google. Here's a screen shot that shows an inappropriate > placement of Google ads in a news article. We also read about a lawyer > who is experimenting with Gmail. He sent himself a message, and > discovered that the law practice footer he uses at the bottom of all of > his email triggered an ad for a competing law firm. > > The screen shot that he is referring to is a bit odd as Google is not > geting the information from the news site but rather Doubleclick. It's > doubleclick that is not passing the correct information to Google for > processing. It's also worth mentioning that the screenshot is NOT a shot > of Gmail but rather that of some news site. Gmail's ads are much less > unobtrousive and take up about as much as an inch wide by three inch > deep box on the right hand side of the mail you are reading. > > The Gmail ad targeting appears to be far superior than that of news > sites (primarially because Google serves the ads not spyware-infested > Doubleclick,etc..) and is usually head-on with the topic of discussion. > Imagine my shock when talking to a friend about a firewire lattice > network I see ads describing firewire hardware and custom-length > cabling. Usually (in the case of Yahoo) their ads are mostly for the > University of Phoneix, Morgatgage your house, and ink toner refills. > > Another issue that the page doesn't mention is that MSN, Hotmail, Yahoo > Mail and the other free services all use advertising as well A lot of it > is targeted against the content of the message that you happen to be > reading at the time. This has been proven time and time again to be > wildly inaccurate. What does home mortgages have to do with a server > log? > > If these people don't like Gmail's TOS, why aren't they quoting the old > version versus the new versions? Have these people looked at Yahoo's > TOS? > > This is Yahoo's TOS: > > They do censoring: > You acknowledge that Yahoo! may or may not pre-screen Content, but that > Yahoo! and its designees shall have the right (but not the obligation) > in their sole discretion to pre-screen, refuse, or move any Content that > is available via the Service.... > > They too will turn over your personally identifiable info in a > heartbeat: > You acknowledge, consent and agree that Yahoo! may access, preserve, and > disclose your account information and Content if required to do so by > law or in a good faith belief that such access preservation or > disclosure is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process; > (b) enforce the TOS; (c) respond to claims that any Content violates the > rights of third-parties; (d) respond to your requests for customer > service; or (e) protect the rights, property, or personal safety of > Yahoo!, its users and the public..... > > If pushed, they can tell you what you can and can not do with your > information: > You understand that the Service and software embodied within the Service > may include security components that permit digital materials to be > protected, and use of these materials is subject to usage rules set by > Yahoo! and/or content providers who provide content to the Service..... > > Yahoo's privacy statement can be found at http://privacy.yahoo.com To > those of you reading Yahoo through Outlook or other HTML based email > client might want to reconsider if privacy is a big thing. Yahoo freely > admits to using 'web beacons' which are a way of telling when/if a > message has been opened, by whom and how many times it has been > forwarded, etc. > Details on web beacons can be found here: > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html > > If these people really want to nitpick, the only way to have guaranteed > security with your email would be to buy a dedicated server, load it up > with a monster-sized HD and let it send and receive email. That way you > don't have to worry about your email client working against you, but > what about the people who read it. > > I'm open to discussion however I'm afraid that this is more > sensationalist than the issue really is. > > What are your thoughts? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From johnshanks at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 16:04:53 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Mon Sep 13 16:48:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Privacy issues with Gmail? In-Reply-To: <1095110987.11106.4.camel@zeus.matrix> References: <1095110987.11106.4.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <545786a604091315043fdd6d31@mail.gmail.com> some people just like to keep watch of companies that get too powerful. good, but sometimes they start ranting. personally, if i cared whether or not someone was going to be reading my email, i'd find a different service or send all my messages encrypted. while the gmail ads aren't perfect, they are much, much more useful than any other group of ads I have seen. I can't think of anytime I've clicked on yahoo's ads. finally, for now at least, gmail treats me with some respect. I use a well designed client that gives me what I want, simply and reliably. I can't remember any time yahoo or mail.com treated me as anything more than someone who should upgrade. On 13 Sep 2004 16:29:46 -0500, Matt wrote: > Someone sent me this link regarding Gmail and I thought most of it was > pure BS. Please let me know what you think? [long message trimmed; see original] > I'm open to discussion however I'm afraid that this is more > sensationalist than the issue really is. > > What are your thoughts? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 18:21:18 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Sep 13 17:05:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Privacy issues with Gmail? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040913145922d38229@mail.gmail.com> References: <1095110987.11106.4.camel@zeus.matrix> <79ec289f040913145922d38229@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d040913152176b7fa53@mail.gmail.com> There's no guarentee of security when you have unencrypted email fluttering about the internet. Some of the concerns brought up in the article can be applied to hotmail, yahoo, et al. I never send anything sensitive through email anyway. Anyone who does should be aware of the potential risk. But the risk being present doesn't mean to start a such-and-such-is-too-creepy website. -Mike From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 18:27:04 2004 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Mon Sep 13 17:11:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Privacy issues with Gmail? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040913145922d38229@mail.gmail.com> References: <1095110987.11106.4.camel@zeus.matrix> <79ec289f040913145922d38229@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de84704091315276724e9be@mail.gmail.com> Ditto... I thought I'd ask, just to be sure my thinking was on par with everyone else's.. FIRESTORM_v1 On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:59:12 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Whenever you have something that is stored on somebody else's server > for free, you cannot expect 100% security. There is always a catch. > But I'd rather have it on Google than Yahoo. > > > > > On 13 Sep 2004 16:29:46 -0500, Matt wrote: > > Someone sent me this link regarding Gmail and I thought most of it was > > pure BS. Please let me know what you think? > > > > http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy-com > > > > On a side note, when asked what I felt about Gmail, I responded as so: > > > > That is an interesting link, however there are a few things that need to > > be addressed: > > > > There is an issue that I have with 'Problem 4' on that page. > > Problem 4: Inappropriate ad matching > > > > We don't use Gmail, but it is safe to assume that the ad matching is no > > better in Gmail, than it is in news articles that use contextual ad > > feeds from Google. Here's a screen shot that shows an inappropriate > > placement of Google ads in a news article. We also read about a lawyer > > who is experimenting with Gmail. He sent himself a message, and > > discovered that the law practice footer he uses at the bottom of all of > > his email triggered an ad for a competing law firm. > > > > The screen shot that he is referring to is a bit odd as Google is not > > geting the information from the news site but rather Doubleclick. It's > > doubleclick that is not passing the correct information to Google for > > processing. It's also worth mentioning that the screenshot is NOT a shot > > of Gmail but rather that of some news site. Gmail's ads are much less > > unobtrousive and take up about as much as an inch wide by three inch > > deep box on the right hand side of the mail you are reading. > > > > The Gmail ad targeting appears to be far superior than that of news > > sites (primarially because Google serves the ads not spyware-infested > > Doubleclick,etc..) and is usually head-on with the topic of discussion. > > Imagine my shock when talking to a friend about a firewire lattice > > network I see ads describing firewire hardware and custom-length > > cabling. Usually (in the case of Yahoo) their ads are mostly for the > > University of Phoneix, Morgatgage your house, and ink toner refills. > > > > Another issue that the page doesn't mention is that MSN, Hotmail, Yahoo > > Mail and the other free services all use advertising as well A lot of it > > is targeted against the content of the message that you happen to be > > reading at the time. This has been proven time and time again to be > > wildly inaccurate. What does home mortgages have to do with a server > > log? > > > > If these people don't like Gmail's TOS, why aren't they quoting the old > > version versus the new versions? Have these people looked at Yahoo's > > TOS? > > > > This is Yahoo's TOS: > > > > They do censoring: > > You acknowledge that Yahoo! may or may not pre-screen Content, but that > > Yahoo! and its designees shall have the right (but not the obligation) > > in their sole discretion to pre-screen, refuse, or move any Content that > > is available via the Service.... > > > > They too will turn over your personally identifiable info in a > > heartbeat: > > You acknowledge, consent and agree that Yahoo! may access, preserve, and > > disclose your account information and Content if required to do so by > > law or in a good faith belief that such access preservation or > > disclosure is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process; > > (b) enforce the TOS; (c) respond to claims that any Content violates the > > rights of third-parties; (d) respond to your requests for customer > > service; or (e) protect the rights, property, or personal safety of > > Yahoo!, its users and the public..... > > > > If pushed, they can tell you what you can and can not do with your > > information: > > You understand that the Service and software embodied within the Service > > may include security components that permit digital materials to be > > protected, and use of these materials is subject to usage rules set by > > Yahoo! and/or content providers who provide content to the Service..... > > > > Yahoo's privacy statement can be found at http://privacy.yahoo.com To > > those of you reading Yahoo through Outlook or other HTML based email > > client might want to reconsider if privacy is a big thing. Yahoo freely > > admits to using 'web beacons' which are a way of telling when/if a > > message has been opened, by whom and how many times it has been > > forwarded, etc. > > Details on web beacons can be found here: > > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html > > > > If these people really want to nitpick, the only way to have guaranteed > > security with your email would be to buy a dedicated server, load it up > > with a monster-sized HD and let it send and receive email. That way you > > don't have to worry about your email client working against you, but > > what about the people who read it. > > > > I'm open to discussion however I'm afraid that this is more > > sensationalist than the issue really is. > > > > What are your thoughts? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- > Jeremy > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 19:46:02 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 13 18:30:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Steve Ballmer sells Windows Message-ID: <79ec289f04091316463e1c751d@mail.gmail.com> Just got a kick out of watching this video. It looks like Ballmer, but it could be an actor. Check it out!! http://www.energyradio.fm/anm/templates/ftf.aspx?articleid=101&zoneid=5 -- Jeremy From grayfox78 at cox.net Mon Sep 13 18:19:29 2004 From: grayfox78 at cox.net (Augie Grayfox) Date: Mon Sep 13 18:52:11 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: geek night at the movies In-Reply-To: <20040913182051.34882.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040913182051.34882.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200409131719.29623.grayfox78@cox.net> On Monday 13 September 2004 11:20, Mary Yatti wrote: ->>>I read parts of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings at 15 when ->>>I had the concentration span like my cat. The book ->>>didn't keep my attention. ->>> ->>>I've seen snipets of the movie where I work out and ->>>realized I may not be their 'target audience'. ->>> ->>>_______________________________________________ ->>>Satlug mailing list ->>>Satlug@satlug.org ->>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug ->>> Well, when I was in high school Tolkien was required reading. Loved him then and still do. Best place to journey to, is into your own mind. Imagine that. -- augie grayfox grayfox78 at cox dot net From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 20:15:59 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 13 19:00:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: geek night at the movies In-Reply-To: <200409131719.29623.grayfox78@cox.net> References: <20040913182051.34882.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> <200409131719.29623.grayfox78@cox.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f04091317152f13653b@mail.gmail.com> I prefer the audio books of Tolkien now. On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:19:29 -0700, Augie Grayfox wrote: > On Monday 13 September 2004 11:20, Mary Yatti wrote: > ->>>I read parts of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings at 15 when > > > ->>>I had the concentration span like my cat. The book > ->>>didn't keep my attention. > ->>> > ->>>I've seen snipets of the movie where I work out and > ->>>realized I may not be their 'target audience'. > ->>> > ->>>_______________________________________________ > ->>>Satlug mailing list > ->>>Satlug@satlug.org > ->>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > ->>> > Well, when I was in high school Tolkien was required reading. Loved him > then and still do. Best place to journey to, is into your own mind. > Imagine that. > -- > augie grayfox > grayfox78 at cox dot net > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From pattersonjeff at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 22:19:11 2004 From: pattersonjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Patterson) Date: Mon Sep 13 22:03:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: geek night at the movies In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04091317152f13653b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20040913182051.34882.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> <200409131719.29623.grayfox78@cox.net> <79ec289f04091317152f13653b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29acd4a004091320194c303d07@mail.gmail.com> I'll have to try that... Jeff On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:15:59 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > I prefer the audio books of Tolkien now. > > > > > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:19:29 -0700, Augie Grayfox wrote: > > On Monday 13 September 2004 11:20, Mary Yatti wrote: > > ->>>I read parts of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings at 15 when > > > > > > ->>>I had the concentration span like my cat. The book > > ->>>didn't keep my attention. > > ->>> > > ->>>I've seen snipets of the movie where I work out and > > ->>>realized I may not be their 'target audience'. > > ->>> > > ->>>_______________________________________________ > > ->>>Satlug mailing list > > ->>>Satlug@satlug.org > > ->>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > ->>> > > Well, when I was in high school Tolkien was required reading. Loved him > > then and still do. Best place to journey to, is into your own mind. > > Imagine that. > > -- > > augie grayfox > > grayfox78 at cox dot net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From dubose at texas.net Tue Sep 14 12:25:55 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Tue Sep 14 11:09:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Message-ID: <20040914162538.692EB3AF0E85@mail1.aus.texas.net> From dubose at texas.net Tue Sep 14 12:27:27 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Tue Sep 14 11:11:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xmms Message-ID: <20040914162709.B9FDE189154F@mail2.aus.texas.net> Last night I was trying to play an MP3 file and when Xmms was used, the file was played at 2 or 3 times the normal speed. Was Xmms the right player? If not, what should be used? Walt From sigemund at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 12:47:52 2004 From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue Sep 14 11:31:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What to do with an extra Sun Server . .. Message-ID: Hello fellow SATLUG-ers, I've got this extra Sunfire V100 server with nothing to do with it. Looking for ideas. I don't need it to be a webserver, or email, or DNS, or firewall, or anything "critical" like that. I work at a school, and I'm interested in doing something that they could use in some way. I had thought of making it a remote X box, but the fact that it has no video card in it, or PCI slots, or keyboard/mouse ports seems to make it a bit more difficult. It's got Debian on it, although we can always load Solaris back onto the box. Any good ideas? Thanks, Mark From country at the-cia.net Tue Sep 14 12:52:05 2004 From: country at the-cia.net (cb) Date: Tue Sep 14 11:37:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] In-Reply-To: <20040914162538.692EB3AF0E85@mail1.aus.texas.net> References: <20040914162538.692EB3AF0E85@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <414721B5.7090404@the-cia.net> Now that was a brief message Walt.... dubose@texas.net wrote: >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 15:52:37 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 14 14:36:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail added to DNSRBL Message-ID: <79ec289f040914125267d2cabb@mail.gmail.com> While sending mail from my Gmail account to other institutional mailing lists, I got a bounce back from one of the receipients. Interesting to find that somebody has added Gmail to the SORBS spam list. Technical details of failure: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 5.7.1 Rejected: 64.233.170.205 listed at http.dnsbl.sorbs.net 205.170.233.64.in-addr.arpa name = rproxy.gmail.com -- Jeremy From johnshanks at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 16:05:29 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Tue Sep 14 14:50:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail added to DNSRBL In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040914125267d2cabb@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f040914125267d2cabb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <545786a604091413054fd417d7@mail.gmail.com> really? when was this? i don't find gmail in the database now. > While sending mail from my Gmail account to other institutional > mailing lists, I got a bounce back from one of the receipients. > Interesting to find that somebody has added Gmail to the SORBS spam > list. > > Technical details of failure: > PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 5.7.1 Rejected: 64.233.170.205 > listed at http.dnsbl.sorbs.net > > 205.170.233.64.in-addr.arpa name = rproxy.gmail.com > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From eli at then7.com Tue Sep 14 16:06:22 2004 From: eli at then7.com (eli@then7.com) Date: Tue Sep 14 14:51:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gmail added to DNSRBL In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040914125267d2cabb@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f040914125267d2cabb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1067.69.152.136.63.1095192382.squirrel@69.152.136.63> I'm sure they are waiting for a large check from google. ;-) ~e > While sending mail from my Gmail account to other institutional > mailing lists, I got a bounce back from one of the receipients. > Interesting to find that somebody has added Gmail to the SORBS spam > list. > > Technical details of failure: > PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 5.7.1 Rejected: 64.233.170.205 > listed at http.dnsbl.sorbs.net > > 205.170.233.64.in-addr.arpa name = rproxy.gmail.com > > > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From Sexton at IDXWebServices.com Tue Sep 14 20:00:49 2004 From: Sexton at IDXWebServices.com (Art Sexton) Date: Tue Sep 14 18:42:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php question for some of you gurus out there Message-ID: <6050.24.173.60.2.1095206449.squirrel@www.idxwebservices.com> Here is the situation. I have a client that has changed from a FTP based file download to a http based "RETS" system. I generate a login transaction and then the actual query. The login transaction comes back almost instantly and I keep the session for the query transaction. If I specify a particular record, or records, then I get a response to the query. If I am looking for a complete file update, then I get a timeout. I called the vendor and they say that I need to set my timeout higher since they generate the whole file before responding...which can take up to 20 minutes. Here is the code for my query and it is still timing out at approx 160 seconds...any suggestions? ini_set(default_socket_timeout, 2400); $fp = fsockopen($host , 80, &$errno, &$errstr, 2400); fputs($fp,$hdr); stream_set_timeout($fp, 2400); $status = socket_get_status($fp); $res_out = fopen("RES_DATA", "w"); while(!feof($fp) && !$status['timed_out']) { stream_set_timeout($fp, 2400); $buff=fgets($fp,5000); fwrite($res_out, $buff); } fclose($fp); fclose($res_out); Thanks in advance for your help! -- Art Sexton IDX Web Services Virtually Selling Real Estate Anywhere! www.IDXWebServices.com Sexton@IDXWebServices.com From pfrostie at yahoo.com Tue Sep 14 21:49:50 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Tue Sep 14 19:33:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xmms In-Reply-To: <20040914162709.B9FDE189154F@mail2.aus.texas.net> References: <20040914162709.B9FDE189154F@mail2.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <200409142049.50664.pfrostie@yahoo.com> Xmms is the right software. some linux drivers do this at certain encoding speeds. it has happened to me from time to time. On Tue September 14 2004 12:27 pm, dubose@texas.net wrote: > Last night I was trying to play an MP3 file and when Xmms was used, the > file was played at 2 or 3 times the normal speed. > > Was Xmms the right player? If not, what should be used? > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From storey at clamp.ws Tue Sep 14 22:50:58 2004 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Tue Sep 14 21:36:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of "free" e-mail providers Message-ID: <4147AE12.6000001@clamp.ws> With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? Storey From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Sep 14 23:10:20 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Sep 14 21:54:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of "free" e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <4147AE12.6000001@clamp.ws> References: <4147AE12.6000001@clamp.ws> Message-ID: <1095217821.1543.609.camel@laptop> Its not a question of technical talent -- its money for hard drives! Even if we just gave each SATLUG member half what GMail provides -- half a Gig, we would need 225Gig in the server JUST for mail. We've been running about 450 members steadily. And unfortunately, we only have about 8Gig in the current machine. Nice thought, but not practical right now. If were to upgrade our box though.... Chuck On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Storey Clamp wrote: > With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more > people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if > not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for > members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? > > Storey > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From lblodgett at macosx.com Tue Sep 14 23:19:58 2004 From: lblodgett at macosx.com (Larry Blodgett) Date: Tue Sep 14 22:04:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of "free" e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <1095217821.1543.609.camel@laptop> References: <4147AE12.6000001@clamp.ws> <1095217821.1543.609.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1F995B10-06C6-11D9-9FBE-0003933E7226@macosx.com> If 450 members contributed $1 we would have $450. Pretty close to buying that drive. You do the math if we contributed $5. Larry On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Chuck wrote: > Its not a question of technical talent -- its money for hard drives! > > Even if we just gave each SATLUG member half what GMail provides -- > half > a Gig, we would need 225Gig in the server JUST for mail. We've been > running about 450 members steadily. And unfortunately, we only have > about 8Gig in the current machine. > > Nice thought, but not practical right now. If were to upgrade our box > though.... > > Chuck > > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Storey Clamp wrote: >> With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more >> people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if >> not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for >> members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? >> >> Storey >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Satlug mailing list >> Satlug@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Larry Blodgett lblodgett@gmail.com lblodgett@mac.com From kingttx at hotmail.com Tue Sep 14 10:19:51 2004 From: kingttx at hotmail.com (Thomas King) Date: Wed Sep 15 02:22:01 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Driver on Demand Message-ID: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C576DCE@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> Hmmmm, wonder when this will go? There seems to be a lot of issues with poorly designed open-source drivers, though. Hate to say it, but I am hoping someone relaxes and allows vendor binary drivers, even if it is just from those vendors that support Linux in some way. http://driverondemand.sourceforge.net/ Tom King From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Sep 15 06:40:33 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Sep 15 05:24:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of "free" e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <1F995B10-06C6-11D9-9FBE-0003933E7226@macosx.com> Message-ID: <200409151040.i8FAeXeR030792@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > If 450 members contributed $1 we would have $450. Pretty close to > buying that drive. > You do the math if we contributed $5. > > Larry Storey is right on, the drives aren't that expensive, a 250 MB can be had for around $140 (roughly 35 cents/user), found this on www.pricewatch.com: Western Digital 250GB 7200RPM ATA EIDE 8MB CACHE (WD2500JB). 250.0GB 8MB 8.9ms 7200 RPM 8MB Part - HDDOEMWHITELABEL EIDE 250GB 2500JB Updated - 9/8/2004 1:58 AM Total - $140 Price - $140 Shipping - FREE AIRBORNE Memorylabs.com Feedback - 43% positive (7 Feedbacks) 408-453-2081 San Jose CA -Borries From dubose at texas.net Wed Sep 15 09:28:23 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Wed Sep 15 08:12:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers Message-ID: <20040915132806.57F283A69D9E@mail1.aus.texas.net> How about putting out the "coffee cup" at meetings and let members put in their donations there or send the treasurer an HEB money order. Its no problem for me to sneak in a $2-$5 H.E.B money order when buying from H.E.B...my wife will never notice it. Or even a buck or two in the mail will work. :-) Walt > If 450 members contributed $1 we would have $450. Pretty close to > buying that drive. > You do the math if we contributed $5. > > Larry > > On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Chuck wrote: > > > Its not a question of technical talent -- its money for hard drives! > > > > Even if we just gave each SATLUG member half what GMail provides -- > > half > > a Gig, we would need 225Gig in the server JUST for mail. We've been > > running about 450 members steadily. And unfortunately, we only have > > about 8Gig in the current machine. > > > > Nice thought, but not practical right now. If were to upgrade our box > > though.... > > > > Chuck > > > > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Storey Clamp wrote: > >> With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more > >> people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if > >> not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for > >> members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? > >> > >> Storey > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Satlug mailing list > >> Satlug@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > Larry Blodgett > lblodgett@gmail.com > lblodgett@mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 15 09:50:44 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Wed Sep 15 08:34:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <20040915132806.57F283A69D9E@mail1.aus.texas.net> References: <20040915132806.57F283A69D9E@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <1095263444.7208.6.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 06:28, dubose@texas.net wrote: > How about putting out the "coffee cup" at meetings and let members put in their > donations there or send the treasurer an HEB money order. Its no problem for > me to sneak in a $2-$5 H.E.B money order when buying from H.E.B...my wife will > never notice it. Now I can start going to the horse rackets again. KIDDING! From bryan.scott at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 12:04:16 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Wed Sep 15 10:48:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What to do with an extra Sun Server . .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Make it into a community box. What I mean is one that will allow for chat, posting of blogs, pictures, personal webspace, and a general 'web hangout'. Just an idea. Since it is a School. -Bryan On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:47:52 -0500, Mark wrote: > Hello fellow SATLUG-ers, > > I've got this extra Sunfire V100 server with nothing to do with it. > Looking for ideas. I don't need it to be a webserver, or email, or > DNS, or firewall, or anything "critical" like that. I work at a > school, and I'm interested in doing something that they could use in > some way. I had thought of making it a remote X box, but the fact > that it has no video card in it, or PCI slots, or keyboard/mouse ports > seems to make it a bit more difficult. > > It's got Debian on it, although we can always load Solaris back onto the box. > > Any good ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From sigemund at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 12:22:53 2004 From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed Sep 15 11:06:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What to do with an extra Sun Server . .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's one thought. We use Moodle as online courseware now, and some students do actually "hang out" on the forums there. But I'd thought it would be neat to set it up as a "blogging"-type server. I'm not sure if the school admins would go for it or not, not that I ever ask their permission about most things I do, but I work with another guy here, and he's a real prick about that sort of stuff. I wonder if they'd be worried about what students might put up there. But that's definitely a possibility, and I like the idea. Thanks for the suggestion Bryan! Mark On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:04:16 -0500, Bryan Scott wrote: > Make it into a community box. What I mean is one that will allow for > chat, posting of blogs, pictures, personal webspace, and a general > 'web hangout'. > > Just an idea. Since it is a School. > > -Bryan > > > > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:47:52 -0500, Mark wrote: > > Hello fellow SATLUG-ers, > > > > I've got this extra Sunfire V100 server with nothing to do with it. > > Looking for ideas. I don't need it to be a webserver, or email, or > > DNS, or firewall, or anything "critical" like that. I work at a > > school, and I'm interested in doing something that they could use in > > some way. I had thought of making it a remote X box, but the fact > > that it has no video card in it, or PCI slots, or keyboard/mouse ports > > seems to make it a bit more difficult. > > > > It's got Debian on it, although we can always load Solaris back onto the box. > > > > Any good ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From ub at paisd.net Wed Sep 15 11:46:44 2004 From: ub at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed Sep 15 11:19:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What to do with an extra Sun Server . .. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have two SunNetra's running Redhat (4.2 sparc &%$#@ Ouch!). I use one to backup the other. But neither ever seems to crash. Running fine since 1996. Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Bryan Scott wrote: |Make it into a community box. What I mean is one that will allow for |chat, posting of blogs, pictures, personal webspace, and a general |'web hangout'. | |Just an idea. Since it is a School. | |-Bryan | | |On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:47:52 -0500, Mark wrote: |> Hello fellow SATLUG-ers, |> |> I've got this extra Sunfire V100 server with nothing to do with it. |> Looking for ideas. I don't need it to be a webserver, or email, or |> DNS, or firewall, or anything "critical" like that. I work at a |> school, and I'm interested in doing something that they could use in |> some way. I had thought of making it a remote X box, but the fact |> that it has no video card in it, or PCI slots, or keyboard/mouse ports |> seems to make it a bit more difficult. |> |> It's got Debian on it, although we can always load Solaris back onto the box. |> |> Any good ideas? |> |> Thanks, |> |> Mark |> _______________________________________________ |> Satlug mailing list |> Satlug@satlug.org |> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug |> |_______________________________________________ |Satlug mailing list |Satlug@satlug.org |http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug | From satlug at vinny.us Wed Sep 15 13:26:02 2004 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny) Date: Wed Sep 15 12:10:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <20040915132806.57F283A69D9E@mail1.aus.texas.net> References: <20040915132806.57F283A69D9E@mail1.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <41487B2A.5040804@vinny.us> Can SATLUG setup a PayPal account? That to me would be an easy way to make a donation, and less work for SATLUG. Vinny dubose@texas.net wrote: >How about putting out the "coffee cup" at meetings and let members put in their >donations there or send the treasurer an HEB money order. Its no problem for >me to sneak in a $2-$5 H.E.B money order when buying from H.E.B...my wife will >never notice it. Or even a buck or two in the mail will work. :-) > >Walt > > > >>If 450 members contributed $1 we would have $450. Pretty close to >>buying that drive. >>You do the math if we contributed $5. >> >>Larry >> >>On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Chuck wrote: >> >> >> >>>Its not a question of technical talent -- its money for hard drives! >>> >>>Even if we just gave each SATLUG member half what GMail provides -- >>>half >>>a Gig, we would need 225Gig in the server JUST for mail. We've been >>>running about 450 members steadily. And unfortunately, we only have >>>about 8Gig in the current machine. >>> >>>Nice thought, but not practical right now. If were to upgrade our box >>>though.... >>> >>>Chuck >>> >>>On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Storey Clamp wrote: >>> >>> >>>>With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more >>>>people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if >>>>not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for >>>>members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? >>>> >>>>Storey >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Satlug mailing list >>>>Satlug@satlug.org >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Satlug mailing list >>>Satlug@satlug.org >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Larry Blodgett >>lblodgett@gmail.com >>lblodgett@mac.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 13:30:26 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 15 12:14:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Driver on Demand In-Reply-To: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C576DCE@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> References: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C576DCE@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <79ec289f040915103067cef3fd@mail.gmail.com> I don't think this would work at all. Look at all the customized kernels for each distribution. Who is going to store every kernel driver for every kernel? And what about people like myself who roll their own kernel? On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:19:51 -0500, Thomas King wrote: > Hmmmm, wonder when this will go? There seems to be a lot of issues with > poorly designed open-source drivers, though. Hate to say it, but I am hoping > someone relaxes and allows vendor binary drivers, even if it is just from > those vendors that support Linux in some way. > > http://driverondemand.sourceforge.net/ > > Tom King > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From dubose at texas.net Wed Sep 15 13:40:42 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Wed Sep 15 12:24:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers Message-ID: <20040915174024.C6F4F14C160A@mail2.aus.texas.net> We probably could but its hard to pay 1 or 2 dollars through PayPal and get your money's worth as PayPal DOES charge for their service. I have no problem putting in a couple of bucks in an envelop and mailing it. I might do that every couple of months but would never put just $5 on my credit card thru PayPal. Walt > Can SATLUG setup a PayPal account? That to me would be an easy way to > make a donation, and less work for SATLUG. > > Vinny > > dubose@texas.net wrote: > > >How about putting out the "coffee cup" at meetings and let members put in their > >donations there or send the treasurer an HEB money order. Its no problem for > >me to sneak in a $2-$5 H.E.B money order when buying from H.E.B...my wife will > >never notice it. Or even a buck or two in the mail will work. :-) > > > >Walt > > > > > > > >>If 450 members contributed $1 we would have $450. Pretty close to > >>buying that drive. > >>You do the math if we contributed $5. > >> > >>Larry > >> > >>On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Chuck wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Its not a question of technical talent -- its money for hard drives! > >>> > >>>Even if we just gave each SATLUG member half what GMail provides -- > >>>half > >>>a Gig, we would need 225Gig in the server JUST for mail. We've been > >>>running about 450 members steadily. And unfortunately, we only have > >>>about 8Gig in the current machine. > >>> > >>>Nice thought, but not practical right now. If were to upgrade our box > >>>though.... > >>> > >>>Chuck > >>> > >>>On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Storey Clamp wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more > >>>>people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if > >>>>not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for > >>>>members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? > >>>> > >>>>Storey > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Satlug mailing list > >>>>Satlug@satlug.org > >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Satlug mailing list > >>>Satlug@satlug.org > >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Larry Blodgett > >>lblodgett@gmail.com > >>lblodgett@mac.com > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Satlug mailing list > >>Satlug@satlug.org > >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 15 13:51:03 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Wed Sep 15 12:34:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <20040915174024.C6F4F14C160A@mail2.aus.texas.net> References: <20040915174024.C6F4F14C160A@mail2.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <1095277862.7208.8.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> How about an offering plate? Or one of those where they have those long sticks and the big deep cloth bags that go "clink" when you drop your change. On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 10:40, dubose@texas.net wrote: > We probably could but its hard to pay 1 or 2 dollars through PayPal and get > your money's worth as PayPal DOES charge for their service. > > I have no problem putting in a couple of bucks in an envelop and mailing it. I > might do that every couple of months but would never put just $5 on my credit > card thru PayPal. > > Walt > > > Can SATLUG setup a PayPal account? That to me would be an easy way to > > make a donation, and less work for SATLUG. > > > > Vinny > > > > dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > > >How about putting out the "coffee cup" at meetings and let members put in > their > > >donations there or send the treasurer an HEB money order. Its no problem > for > > >me to sneak in a $2-$5 H.E.B money order when buying from H.E.B...my wife > will > > >never notice it. Or even a buck or two in the mail will work. :-) > > > > > >Walt > > > > > > > > > > > >>If 450 members contributed $1 we would have $450. Pretty close to > > >>buying that drive. > > >>You do the math if we contributed $5. > > >> > > >>Larry > > >> > > >>On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Chuck wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Its not a question of technical talent -- its money for hard drives! > > >>> > > >>>Even if we just gave each SATLUG member half what GMail provides -- > > >>>half > > >>>a Gig, we would need 225Gig in the server JUST for mail. We've been > > >>>running about 450 members steadily. And unfortunately, we only have > > >>>about 8Gig in the current machine. > > >>> > > >>>Nice thought, but not practical right now. If were to upgrade our box > > >>>though.... > > >>> > > >>>Chuck > > >>> > > >>>On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Storey Clamp wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more > > >>>>people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if > > >>>>not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for > > >>>>members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? > > >>>> > > >>>>Storey > > >>>> > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>>Satlug mailing list > > >>>>Satlug@satlug.org > > >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>Satlug mailing list > > >>>Satlug@satlug.org > > >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Larry Blodgett > > >>lblodgett@gmail.com > > >>lblodgett@mac.com > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Satlug mailing list > > >>Satlug@satlug.org > > >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Satlug mailing list > > >Satlug@satlug.org > > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From mikeaw at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 13:59:47 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Wed Sep 15 12:43:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <1095277862.7208.8.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <20040915174024.C6F4F14C160A@mail2.aus.texas.net> <1095277862.7208.8.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <4154519d04091510593367da59@mail.gmail.com> Or even better, how about several dressing up in penguin costumes and ringing a bell while standing outside all of the local electronics stores? On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:51:03 -0700, N. David Guarneri wrote: > How about an offering plate? > > Or one of those where they have those long sticks and the big deep cloth > bags that go "clink" when you drop your change. > > > > On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 10:40, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > We probably could but its hard to pay 1 or 2 dollars through PayPal and get > > your money's worth as PayPal DOES charge for their service. > > > > I have no problem putting in a couple of bucks in an envelop and mailing it. I > > might do that every couple of months but would never put just $5 on my credit > > card thru PayPal. > > > > Walt > > > > > Can SATLUG setup a PayPal account? That to me would be an easy way to > > > make a donation, and less work for SATLUG. > > > > > > Vinny > > > > > > dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > > > > >How about putting out the "coffee cup" at meetings and let members put in > > their > > > >donations there or send the treasurer an HEB money order. Its no problem > > for > > > >me to sneak in a $2-$5 H.E.B money order when buying from H.E.B...my wife > > will > > > >never notice it. Or even a buck or two in the mail will work. :-) > > > > > > > >Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>If 450 members contributed $1 we would have $450. Pretty close to > > > >>buying that drive. > > > >>You do the math if we contributed $5. > > > >> > > > >>Larry > > > >> > > > >>On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Chuck wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>Its not a question of technical talent -- its money for hard drives! > > > >>> > > > >>>Even if we just gave each SATLUG member half what GMail provides -- > > > >>>half > > > >>>a Gig, we would need 225Gig in the server JUST for mail. We've been > > > >>>running about 450 members steadily. And unfortunately, we only have > > > >>>about 8Gig in the current machine. > > > >>> > > > >>>Nice thought, but not practical right now. If were to upgrade our box > > > >>>though.... > > > >>> > > > >>>Chuck > > > >>> > > > >>>On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Storey Clamp wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more > > > >>>>people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if > > > >>>>not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for > > > >>>>members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Storey > > > >>>> > > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > > >>>>Satlug mailing list > > > >>>>Satlug@satlug.org > > > >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > > >>>Satlug mailing list > > > >>>Satlug@satlug.org > > > >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>Larry Blodgett > > > >>lblodgett@gmail.com > > > >>lblodgett@mac.com > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Satlug mailing list > > > >>Satlug@satlug.org > > > >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Satlug mailing list > > > >Satlug@satlug.org > > > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- > "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed > and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 12:04:30 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Wed Sep 15 12:48:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] New Security Flaw in XP Message-ID: <20040915180430.61057.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> -------------------- September 15, 2004 Washington Post -------------------- Quick! A Patch for Pickled Pixels It's patch time again for Microsoft Windows XP users, even for those who just installed Service Pack 2, the mammoth software security update Microsoft released last month for its estimated 200 million XP users worldwide. Microsoft on Tuesday urged XP users to download a free software update for their computers to guard against a "critical" security flaw in the way the operating system processes JPEG digital image files, the same image format commonly used on most Web sites. Microsoft said an attacker could use the flaw to install viruses on or take complete control over XP machines whose users visit a Web site that has been seeded with a specially crafted image. The software hole also could allow hackers to embed infected images in e-mail which could drop their viral payload on vulnerable machines after the recipient merely opens the infected message. Microsoft says it fixed this problem with the release of Service Pack 2 (SP2). So those users who have already installed the massive update shouldn't have to worry, right? Not exactly: See, the same security hole also is present in dozens of other Microsoft products, including its popular Office productivity suite - the program bundle that includes Microsoft Word and Excel. Windows XP users who visit the Windows Update site will be prompted to install a program that searches their computers for applications that may be vulnerable to the new security hole. That tool should then direct users to download the corresponding patches for any vulnerable apps it finds. From johnshanks at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 12:33:24 2004 From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks) Date: Wed Sep 15 13:17:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <4154519d04091510593367da59@mail.gmail.com> References: <20040915174024.C6F4F14C160A@mail2.aus.texas.net> <1095277862.7208.8.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <4154519d04091510593367da59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <545786a604091511337095805d@mail.gmail.com> I like that one. When do we start? On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:59:47 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > Or even better, how about several dressing up in penguin costumes and > ringing a bell while standing outside all of the local electronics > stores? > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:51:03 -0700, N. David Guarneri > > > wrote: > > How about an offering plate? > > > > Or one of those where they have those long sticks and the big deep cloth > > bags that go "clink" when you drop your change. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 10:40, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > We probably could but its hard to pay 1 or 2 dollars through PayPal and get > > > your money's worth as PayPal DOES charge for their service. > > > > > > I have no problem putting in a couple of bucks in an envelop and mailing it. I > > > might do that every couple of months but would never put just $5 on my credit > > > card thru PayPal. > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > Can SATLUG setup a PayPal account? That to me would be an easy way to > > > > make a donation, and less work for SATLUG. > > > > > > > > Vinny > > > > > > > > dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > > > > > > >How about putting out the "coffee cup" at meetings and let members put in > > > their > > > > >donations there or send the treasurer an HEB money order. Its no problem > > > for > > > > >me to sneak in a $2-$5 H.E.B money order when buying from H.E.B...my wife > > > will > > > > >never notice it. Or even a buck or two in the mail will work. :-) > > > > > > > > > >Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>If 450 members contributed $1 we would have $450. Pretty close to > > > > >>buying that drive. > > > > >>You do the math if we contributed $5. > > > > >> > > > > >>Larry > > > > >> > > > > >>On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Chuck wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>>Its not a question of technical talent -- its money for hard drives! > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Even if we just gave each SATLUG member half what GMail provides -- > > > > >>>half > > > > >>>a Gig, we would need 225Gig in the server JUST for mail. We've been > > > > >>>running about 450 members steadily. And unfortunately, we only have > > > > >>>about 8Gig in the current machine. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Nice thought, but not practical right now. If were to upgrade our box > > > > >>>though.... > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Chuck > > > > >>> > > > > >>>On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Storey Clamp wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>With all the technical tallent in satlug, I am surprised that more > > > > >>>>people are not interested in maintaining their own mail server, and if > > > > >>>>not, then the satlug server can provide e-mail, and even web space for > > > > >>>>members, so why bother with gmail or hotmail ? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Storey > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > > > >>>>Satlug mailing list > > > > >>>>Satlug@satlug.org > > > > >>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > > > >>>Satlug mailing list > > > > >>>Satlug@satlug.org > > > > >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>Larry Blodgett > > > > >>lblodgett@gmail.com > > > > >>lblodgett@mac.com > > > > >> > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > > >>Satlug mailing list > > > > >>Satlug@satlug.org > > > > >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >Satlug mailing list > > > > >Satlug@satlug.org > > > > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Satlug mailing list > > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > -- > > "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed > > and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From zip at liberto.org Wed Sep 15 14:42:08 2004 From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel) Date: Wed Sep 15 13:25:53 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What to do with an extra Sun Server . .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41488D00.6030607@liberto.org> I think I have seen those before. Andrew Leif Johnson wrote: >I have two SunNetra's running Redhat (4.2 sparc &%$#@ Ouch!). I use one to >backup the other. But neither ever seems to crash. Running fine since 1996. > >Sincerely, >-Leif Johnson >Port Aransas ISD >100 Station St >Port Aransas Tx 78373 >361 749-1200 ext. 316 > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Bryan Scott wrote: > >|Make it into a community box. What I mean is one that will allow for >|chat, posting of blogs, pictures, personal webspace, and a general >|'web hangout'. >| >|Just an idea. Since it is a School. >| >|-Bryan >| >| >|On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:47:52 -0500, Mark wrote: >|> Hello fellow SATLUG-ers, >|> >|> I've got this extra Sunfire V100 server with nothing to do with it. >|> Looking for ideas. I don't need it to be a webserver, or email, or >|> DNS, or firewall, or anything "critical" like that. I work at a >|> school, and I'm interested in doing something that they could use in >|> some way. I had thought of making it a remote X box, but the fact >|> that it has no video card in it, or PCI slots, or keyboard/mouse ports >|> seems to make it a bit more difficult. >|> >|> It's got Debian on it, although we can always load Solaris back onto the box. >|> >|> Any good ideas? >|> >|> Thanks, >|> >|> Mark >|> _______________________________________________ >|> Satlug mailing list >|> Satlug@satlug.org >|> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >|> >|_______________________________________________ >|Satlug mailing list >|Satlug@satlug.org >|http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >| > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 13:10:15 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Wed Sep 15 13:54:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Geek Book of Interest In-Reply-To: <200409151826.i8FIQGY14960@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040915191015.69893.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> I read 'Digital Fortress' loved it..couldn't put it down. I am looking for some more books like this. From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 15 15:18:06 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:01:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <4154519d04091510593367da59@mail.gmail.com> References: <20040915174024.C6F4F14C160A@mail2.aus.texas.net> <1095277862.7208.8.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <4154519d04091510593367da59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1095283086.8376.13.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 10:59, Mike Wallace wrote: > Or even better, how about several dressing up in penguin costumes and > ringing a bell while standing outside all of the local electronics > stores? I think that should work so long as two penguins don't fight for the same spot in front of CompUSA. Then things will get ugly. From ub at paisd.net Wed Sep 15 14:39:53 2004 From: ub at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:12:50 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] What to do with an extra Sun Server . .. In-Reply-To: <41488D00.6030607@liberto.org> Message-ID: Yep: They're still stacked one on top 'o the other. Right where you last saw them. http://cuda.port-aransas.k12.tx.us/sunnetra1.jpg Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Andrew Hodel wrote: |I think I have seen those before. | | |Andrew | |Leif Johnson wrote: | |>I have two SunNetra's running Redhat (4.2 sparc &%$#@ Ouch!). I use one to |>backup the other. But neither ever seems to crash. Running fine since 1996. |> |>Sincerely, |>-Leif Johnson |>Port Aransas ISD |>100 Station St |>Port Aransas Tx 78373 |>361 749-1200 ext. 316 |> |> |> |>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Bryan Scott wrote: |> |>|Make it into a community box. What I mean is one that will allow for |>|chat, posting of blogs, pictures, personal webspace, and a general |>|'web hangout'. |>| |>|Just an idea. Since it is a School. |>| |>|-Bryan |>| |>| |>|On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:47:52 -0500, Mark wrote: |>|> Hello fellow SATLUG-ers, |>|> |>|> I've got this extra Sunfire V100 server with nothing to do with it. |>|> Looking for ideas. I don't need it to be a webserver, or email, or |>|> DNS, or firewall, or anything "critical" like that. I work at a |>|> school, and I'm interested in doing something that they could use in |>|> some way. I had thought of making it a remote X box, but the fact |>|> that it has no video card in it, or PCI slots, or keyboard/mouse ports |>|> seems to make it a bit more difficult. |>|> |>|> It's got Debian on it, although we can always load Solaris back onto the box. |>|> |>|> Any good ideas? |>|> |>|> Thanks, |>|> |>|> Mark |>|> _______________________________________________ |>|> Satlug mailing list |>|> Satlug@satlug.org |>|> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug |>|> |>|_______________________________________________ |>|Satlug mailing list |>|Satlug@satlug.org |>|http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug |>| |> |>_______________________________________________ |>Satlug mailing list |>Satlug@satlug.org |>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug |> |> |> | |_______________________________________________ |Satlug mailing list |Satlug@satlug.org |http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug | From gwillden at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 16:14:09 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:58:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Geek Book of Interest In-Reply-To: <20040915191015.69893.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200409151826.i8FIQGY14960@alamo.satlug.org> <20040915191015.69893.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <345e55a504091513141e8c09e9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:10:15 -0700 (PDT), Mary Yatti wrote: > I read 'Digital Fortress' loved it..couldn't put it > down. > Yeah I read that one too. I thought that it was 'Okay'. I thought that it was pretty unrealistic for one of the more minor characters to be in the line of work he was in. But the book was pretty good. Dan Brown has definitely improved with time though. Digital Fortress was first, then Deception Point, then Angels and Demons and finally The DaVinci Code. Each one is better than the previous. Regards Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From kingttx at hotmail.com Wed Sep 15 17:47:55 2004 From: kingttx at hotmail.com (Thomas King) Date: Wed Sep 15 16:31:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Satlug Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <200409151826.i8FIQGY14960@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <819189266B78D543A02D9D3956EE4F6C576E0B@addax.win.uthscsa.edu> >I don't think this would work at all. Look at all the customized >kernels for each distribution. Who is going to store every kernel >driver for every kernel? And what about people like myself who roll >their own kernel? On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:19:51 -0500, Thomas King wrote: > Hmmmm, wonder when this will go? There seems to be a lot of issues with > poorly designed open-source drivers, though. Hate to say it, but I am hoping > someone relaxes and allows vendor binary drivers, even if it is just from > those vendors that support Linux in some way. > > http://driverondemand.sourceforge.net/ > > Tom King > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > >From the looks of it, this would have to go through the HAL. There is a rather huge debate on stabilizing ABI's, which Linus does not wish to entertain. If this is put into place, it would compile source-code drivers on the fly. Surely they'd leave it open for folks to use their own drivers. I don't know if it'd be possible to use this when you compile your own kernels, though. Too early to tell, but for the majority of end users that don't compile kernels or write their own drivers (second and third generation users?), this would be ideal. Anyhow, just my drivel. Tom From chardon47 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 16:15:46 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Wed Sep 15 16:59:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Geek Book of Interest In-Reply-To: <345e55a504091513141e8c09e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20040915221546.59789.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Just got through reading Angels and Demons. Excellent work, as long as you realize it is all fiction. Greg Willden wrote:On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:10:15 -0700 (PDT), Mary Yatti wrote: > I read 'Digital Fortress' loved it..couldn't put it > down. > Yeah I read that one too. I thought that it was 'Okay'. I thought that it was pretty unrealistic for one of the more minor characters to be in the line of work he was in. But the book was pretty good. Dan Brown has definitely improved with time though. Digital Fortress was first, then Deception Point, then Angels and Demons and finally The DaVinci Code. Each one is better than the previous. Regards Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Illegitimus non Carborundum" "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." From ub at paisd.net Wed Sep 15 20:00:34 2004 From: ub at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed Sep 15 19:33:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] survey software Message-ID: I found a good program to do surveys. phpESP uses mysql/php. We're doing an online community survey next month. Here's a little survey I made for my students: 2 questions and results. http://cuda.port-aransas.k12.tx.us/phpESP/public/survey.php?name=election_04 The server is a 350 P2 RH 9 so don't all hit it at once. Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 From dubose at texas.net Wed Sep 15 22:04:31 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Wed Sep 15 20:46:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xmms References: <20040914162709.B9FDE189154F@mail2.aus.texas.net> <200409142049.50664.pfrostie@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4148F4AF.F6215741@texas.net> phrostie wrote: > > Xmms is the right software. some linux drivers do this at certain encoding > speeds. it has happened to me from time to time. So how do I correct this or is there a way to correct this for the specific MP3? Other MP3s play Ok. Walt > > On Tue September 14 2004 12:27 pm, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > Last night I was trying to play an MP3 file and when Xmms was used, the > > file was played at 2 or 3 times the normal speed. > > > > Was Xmms the right player? If not, what should be used? > > > > Walt From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 22:38:42 2004 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:22:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Privacy concerns of free e-mail providers In-Reply-To: <1095283086.8376.13.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <20040915174024.C6F4F14C160A@mail2.aus.texas.net> <1095277862.7208.8.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> <4154519d04091510593367da59@mail.gmail.com> <1095283086.8376.13.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0409151938484640c1@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:18:06 -0700, N. David Guarneri wrote: > I think that should work so long as two penguins > don't fight for the same spot in front of CompUSA. > Then things will get ugly. > Hey, there's a Mickeysoft office here in Irving. Any takers? ;) Ed From karl at oelschlaeger.ws Wed Sep 15 22:55:44 2004 From: karl at oelschlaeger.ws (Karl Oelschlaeger) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xmms In-Reply-To: <4148F4AF.F6215741@texas.net> References: <20040914162709.B9FDE189154F@mail2.aus.texas.net> <4148F4AF.F6215741@texas.net> Message-ID: <1095303343.5664.2.camel@edtosw-3257-01.telus.net> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 21:04, Walt DuBose wrote: > phrostie wrote: > > > > Xmms is the right software. some linux drivers do this at certain encoding > > speeds. it has happened to me from time to time. > > So how do I correct this or is there a way to correct this for the > specific MP3? Other MP3s play Ok. > > Walt > > > > > > On Tue September 14 2004 12:27 pm, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > Last night I was trying to play an MP3 file and when Xmms was used, the > > > file was played at 2 or 3 times the normal speed. > > > > > > Was Xmms the right player? If not, what should be used? > > > > > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > I had a similar glitch at one time, except it was for all mp3's. I changed the output plugin to alsa from whatever the default was, and that cleared it up. Cheers, Karl From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 16 00:50:52 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Wed Sep 15 23:23:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xmms In-Reply-To: <4148F4AF.F6215741@texas.net> References: <20040914162709.B9FDE189154F@mail2.aus.texas.net> <200409142049.50664.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <4148F4AF.F6215741@texas.net> Message-ID: <1095310253.25262.8.camel@zeus.matrix> I'm going to go out on a limb here... do you have a built-in sound card? FIRESTORM_v1 On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 21:04, Walt DuBose wrote: > phrostie wrote: > > > > Xmms is the right software. some linux drivers do this at certain encoding > > speeds. it has happened to me from time to time. > > So how do I correct this or is there a way to correct this for the > specific MP3? Other MP3s play Ok. > > Walt > > > > > > On Tue September 14 2004 12:27 pm, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > Last night I was trying to play an MP3 file and when Xmms was used, the > > > file was played at 2 or 3 times the normal speed. > > > > > > Was Xmms the right player? If not, what should be used? > > > > > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From tx_kewtie at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 04:47:35 2004 From: tx_kewtie at earthlink.net (Jesika) Date: Thu Sep 16 03:31:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Essential knowledge!!! Message-ID: <41495327.8080206@earthlink.net> This is a must-read for any linux user. You'll wonder how you ever lived without this information. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q247804 Jesika From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 16 09:10:50 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 16 07:54:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Essential knowledge!!! In-Reply-To: <41495327.8080206@earthlink.net> References: <41495327.8080206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1095347450.7208.17.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 01:47, Jesika wrote: > This is a must-read for any linux user. You'll wonder how you ever > lived without this information. > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q247804 > > Jesika The title on this knowledge base article is wrong. It should read "How to install a virus on your computer." -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Sep 16 15:24:31 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Sep 16 09:30:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] apt-get Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have a good /etc/apt/source.list they can send me? I would like a source.list that has a number of different respositories and my current one only has freshrpms' repositories. Yeah, I know I could just populate the list myself, but I was hoping somebody already had one that would have a nice selection. BTW, I'm running FC2. TIA. Kase From pfrostie at yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 09:13:44 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Thu Sep 16 09:57:47 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] apt-get In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040916151344.32547.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> uh, FC2 as in Fedora Core? are you wanting rpm or deb sources? i have a debian source.list i can send tonight when i get home if that is what you need. --- Kase Saylor wrote: > Does anyone on the list have a good /etc/apt/source.list they can send me? I > would like a source.list that has a number of different respositories and my > current one only has freshrpms' repositories. Yeah, I know I could just > populate the list myself, but I was hoping somebody already had one that > would have a nice selection. BTW, I'm running FC2. TIA. > > Kase > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > ===== phrostie Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev http://www.freelists.org/webpage/snafuu From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Sep 16 16:32:23 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Sep 16 10:35:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] apt-get Message-ID: Fedora Core 2. RPMs. >From: phrostie >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] apt-get >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:13:44 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc8-f24.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.160]) by mc8-s21.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:17:39 -0700 >Received: from alamo.satlug.org ([207.235.6.99]) by mc8-f24.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:16:59 -0700 >Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by >alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i8GEw1Y19778;Thu, 16 Sep >2004 09:58:01 -0500 >Received: from web60808.mail.yahoo.com >(web60808.mail.yahoo.com[216.155.196.71])by alamo.satlug.org >(8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i8GEvhY19769for ; Thu, 16 >Sep 2004 09:57:43 -0500 >Received: from [134.216.26.211] by web60808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP;Thu, 16 >Sep 2004 08:13:44 PDT >X-Message-Info: vGzX0e+ktu6jzW3YIyVKt2LWIBhkCNsuURTVe5d0awU= >Message-ID: <20040916151344.32547.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> >In-Reply-To: >X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 >Precedence: list >List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >Return-Path: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 15:16:59.0757 (UTC) >FILETIME=[3643E9D0:01C49C00] > >uh, FC2 as in Fedora Core? >are you wanting rpm or deb sources? > >i have a debian source.list i can send tonight when i get home if that is >what >you need. >--- Kase Saylor wrote: > > > Does anyone on the list have a good /etc/apt/source.list they can send >me? I > > would like a source.list that has a number of different respositories >and my > > current one only has freshrpms' repositories. Yeah, I know I could just > > populate the list myself, but I was hoping somebody already had one that > > would have a nice selection. BTW, I'm running FC2. TIA. > > > > Kase > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > >===== >phrostie >Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS >and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. >http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ >http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux >http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev >http://www.freelists.org/webpage/snafuu >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 16 12:09:37 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Thu Sep 16 10:53:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Visual front end to CVS Message-ID: <1095358177.7208.21.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> I know you probably have discussed this recently... What's a good visual front end to CVS for project mainainters? I started a project on SourceForge and am looking for a good front end. -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From bamm at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 16 12:34:28 2004 From: bamm at satx.rr.com (Bamm Visscher) Date: Thu Sep 16 11:26:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Visual front end to CVS In-Reply-To: <1095358177.7208.21.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1095358177.7208.21.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <20040916163428.GB10122@syn.bamm.net> http://www.twobarleycorns.net/tkcvs.html Haven't tried it myself tough. Bammkkkk On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 11:09:37AM -0700, N. David Guarneri wrote: > I know you probably have discussed this recently... > > What's a good visual front end to CVS for project mainainters? I > started a project on SourceForge and am looking for a good front end. > -- > "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed > and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Sep 16 18:02:16 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Sep 16 12:06:36 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Visual front end to CVS Message-ID: I li,ke SmartCVS (www.smartcvs.com). >I know you probably have discussed this recently... > >What's a good visual front end to CVS for project mainainters? I >started a project on SourceForge and am looking for a good front end. >-- >"I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed >and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From ChrisRivera at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 16 15:42:05 2004 From: ChrisRivera at satx.rr.com (CRivera) Date: Thu Sep 16 14:26:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Geek Book of Interest In-Reply-To: <345e55a504091513141e8c09e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200409161942.i8GJg7Hv008917@ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com> -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Greg Willden Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 15:14 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Geek Book of Interest On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:10:15 -0700 (PDT), Mary Yatti wrote: > I read 'Digital Fortress' loved it..couldn't put it > down. > Yeah I read that one too. I thought that it was 'Okay'. I thought that it was pretty unrealistic for one of the more minor characters to be in the line of work he was in. But the book was pretty good. Dan Brown has definitely improved with time though. Digital Fortress was first, then Deception Point, then Angels and Demons and finally The DaVinci Code. Each one is better than the previous. Regards Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug DaVinci Code is definitely my favorite of those. CRivera From miguel.figueroa at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 16:28:00 2004 From: miguel.figueroa at gmail.com (Miguel Figueroa) Date: Thu Sep 16 15:12:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] apt-get In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try this: http://fedoratracker.org/tracker.py Miguel On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:32:23 +0000, Kase Saylor wrote: > Fedora Core 2. RPMs. > > >From: phrostie > >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] apt-get > >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:13:44 -0700 (PDT) > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from mc8-f24.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.160]) by mc8-s21.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:17:39 -0700 > >Received: from alamo.satlug.org ([207.235.6.99]) by mc8-f24.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:16:59 -0700 > >Received: from alamo.satlug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by > >alamo.satlug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i8GEw1Y19778;Thu, 16 Sep > >2004 09:58:01 -0500 > >Received: from web60808.mail.yahoo.com > >(web60808.mail.yahoo.com[216.155.196.71])by alamo.satlug.org > >(8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i8GEvhY19769for ; Thu, 16 > >Sep 2004 09:57:43 -0500 > >Received: from [134.216.26.211] by web60808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP;Thu, 16 > >Sep 2004 08:13:44 PDT > >X-Message-Info: vGzX0e+ktu6jzW3YIyVKt2LWIBhkCNsuURTVe5d0awU= > >Message-ID: <20040916151344.32547.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> > >In-Reply-To: > >X-BeenThere: satlug@satlug.org > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, > >Errors-To: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > >Return-Path: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 15:16:59.0757 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[3643E9D0:01C49C00] > > > > > >uh, FC2 as in Fedora Core? > >are you wanting rpm or deb sources? > > > >i have a debian source.list i can send tonight when i get home if that is > >what > >you need. > >--- Kase Saylor wrote: > > > > > Does anyone on the list have a good /etc/apt/source.list they can send > >me? I > > > would like a source.list that has a number of different respositories > >and my > > > current one only has freshrpms' repositories. Yeah, I know I could just > > > populate the list myself, but I was hoping somebody already had one that > > > would have a nice selection. BTW, I'm running FC2. TIA. > > > > > > Kase > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > >===== > >phrostie > >Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS > >and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. > >http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ > >http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux > >http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev > >http://www.freelists.org/webpage/snafuu > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From weaver at merold.net Fri Sep 17 10:38:04 2004 From: weaver at merold.net (Julian Peterson) Date: Thu Sep 16 16:22:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] apt-get In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200409170938.04156.weaver@merold.net> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 2:24 am NZST, Kase Saylor wrote: > Does anyone on the list have a good /etc/apt/source.list they can > send me? I would like a source.list that has a number of different > respositories and my current one only has freshrpms' repositories. > Yeah, I know I could just populate the list myself, but I was hoping > somebody already had one that would have a nice selection. BTW, I'm > running FC2. TIA. > Mine looks like: rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ fedora/2/i386 os updates stable rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ fedora/2/i386 os updates stable #rpm http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/fedora/fedora fedora/2/i386 os updates stable #rpm http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora.us/fedora fedora/2/i386 os updates stable rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/2/i386 stable rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/2/i386 stable #rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/2/i386 stable unstable testing #rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/2/i386 stable unstable testing rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/2/i386 core updates freshrpms #rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/2/i386 tupdates #rpm-src http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/2/i386 core updates freshrpms #rpm-src http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/2/i386 tupdates -- Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly. From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 19:07:44 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Sep 16 17:51:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Preferred music player Message-ID: <79ec289f04091616077a0adfb4@mail.gmail.com> I'm sure most of us have a good collection of music. I've been trying to find a music player that will do what I want it to do. If I move more music into my music directory, I want it to rescan or import these files. XMMS will do this, but navigating its playlist is difficult. I'm a fan of Rhythmbox for its nice layout and breakdown of Album and Artist in its program window. I've also tried Juk. None of these programs will *find* new mp3s and them to the playlist. Am I just asking for an impossible task? -- Jeremy From snafu at urdirect.net Thu Sep 16 19:34:14 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Thu Sep 16 18:05:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 Message-ID: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> A couple of months ago on my FC2 machine, I used yum to install mysql & mysql-server (3.23). I have not yet created any tables or even done anything at all. Now that I am ready to start learning mysql, and practicing at home by creating a Db of my large LP collection, I might as well upgrade to 4.0. I was wondering how to do that - do I need to remove what I have and then do another yum install (of 4.0). Or can I upgrade to 4.0 with yum while 3.23 is on my machine? From gdabernathy at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 20:33:48 2004 From: gdabernathy at earthlink.net (gdabernathy@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Sep 16 18:19:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 References: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <4149963C.7F1FFB1A@earthlink.net> "Donn D." wrote: > A couple of months ago on my FC2 machine, I used yum to install mysql & > mysql-server (3.23). I have not yet created any tables or even done > anything at all. Now that I am ready to start learning mysql, and > practicing at home by creating a Db of my large LP collection, I might > as well upgrade to 4.0. I was wondering how to do that - do I need to > remove what I have and then do another yum install (of 4.0). Or can I > upgrade to 4.0 with yum while 3.23 is on my machine? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug Maybe this will provide you with some insight: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Upgrading-from-3.23.html Personally, I would download 4.1.4-gamma and install from scratch. Good luck, cheers, Gary From snafu at urdirect.net Thu Sep 16 20:28:24 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Thu Sep 16 18:59:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 In-Reply-To: <4149963C.7F1FFB1A@earthlink.net> References: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> <4149963C.7F1FFB1A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <414A2FA8.1050201@urdirect.net> Thanks, but I actually found that site and looked it over before I posted the question here. They are discussing little inconsistencies between the versions that you need to correct or be aware of... I was wondering how to even get mysql 4 onto my machine after successfully installing mysql 3.23. Would it be done with yum, if so, how? I usually use yum to install stuff. I'm not a real expert on yum yet though. gdabernathy@earthlink.net wrote: >"Donn D." wrote: > > > >>A couple of months ago on my FC2 machine, I used yum to install mysql & >>mysql-server (3.23). I have not yet created any tables or even done >>anything at all. Now that I am ready to start learning mysql, and >>practicing at home by creating a Db of my large LP collection, I might >>as well upgrade to 4.0. I was wondering how to do that - do I need to >>remove what I have and then do another yum install (of 4.0). Or can I >>upgrade to 4.0 with yum while 3.23 is on my machine? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> > >Maybe this will provide you with some insight: > >http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Upgrading-from-3.23.html > >Personally, I would download 4.1.4-gamma and install from scratch. > >Good luck, cheers, >Gary > > > From snafu at urdirect.net Thu Sep 16 20:40:48 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Thu Sep 16 19:12:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 In-Reply-To: <414A2FA8.1050201@urdirect.net> References: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> <4149963C.7F1FFB1A@earthlink.net> <414A2FA8.1050201@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <414A3290.4060209@urdirect.net> Think I found out what to do: yum upgrade mysql. Duh, pretty simple. Hope it works. Donn D. wrote: > I was wondering how to even get mysql 4 onto my machine after > successfully installing mysql 3.23. Would it be done with yum, if so, > how? I usually use yum to install stuff. I'm not a real expert on > yum yet though. > > > gdabernathy@earthlink.net wrote: > >> "Donn D." wrote: >> >> >> >> Maybe this will provide you with some insight: >> >> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Upgrading-from-3.23.html >> >> Personally, I would download 4.1.4-gamma and install from scratch. >> >> Good luck, cheers, >> Gary >> From pfrostie at yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 21:29:10 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Thu Sep 16 19:12:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL Message-ID: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> is there a recomended how-to or setup tool for using DSL with linux? how about adding a router? i'm stepping up from dial-up for the first time and have no clue what i'm doing. -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From pfrostie at yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 21:32:12 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Thu Sep 16 19:15:30 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xmms In-Reply-To: <4148F4AF.F6215741@texas.net> References: <20040914162709.B9FDE189154F@mail2.aus.texas.net> <200409142049.50664.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <4148F4AF.F6215741@texas.net> Message-ID: <200409162032.12620.pfrostie@yahoo.com> in my case it was a MB with a builtin soundcard. the standard kernal driver for this board left a little to be desired. switching to alsa helped. i've been told that switching to a real sound card would do more, but Alsa did enough. On Wed September 15 2004 10:04 pm, Walt DuBose wrote: > phrostie wrote: > > Xmms is the right software. some linux drivers do this at certain > > encoding speeds. it has happened to me from time to time. > > So how do I correct this or is there a way to correct this for the > specific MP3? Other MP3s play Ok. > > Walt > > > On Tue September 14 2004 12:27 pm, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > > Last night I was trying to play an MP3 file and when Xmms was used, the > > > file was played at 2 or 3 times the normal speed. > > > > > > Was Xmms the right player? If not, what should be used? > > > > > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From dubose at texas.net Thu Sep 16 21:21:02 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Thu Sep 16 20:02:41 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL References: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> phrostie wrote: > > is there a recomended how-to or setup tool for using DSL with linux? > how about adding a router? > > i'm stepping up from dial-up for the first time and have no clue what i'm > doing. > When I changed from dial-up to DSL, I simply plugged the NIC into the DSL modem and turned it on. Waited until it booted up and then turned on the computer and it connected. I must admit that prior to taking the computer down I changed it to run DSL with the a net configuration tool. Other than that, that's all I did. Walt From dubose at texas.net Thu Sep 16 21:21:50 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Thu Sep 16 20:03:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Xmms References: <20040914162709.B9FDE189154F@mail2.aus.texas.net> <4148F4AF.F6215741@texas.net> <200409162032.12620.pfrostie@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414A3C2E.41BF0F67@texas.net> phrostie wrote: > > in my case it was a MB with a builtin soundcard. the standard kernal driver > for this board left a little to be desired. switching to alsa helped. i've > been told that switching to a real sound card would do more, but Alsa did > enough. > Ok...super. Thanks, WAlt From pfrostie at yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 22:31:13 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Thu Sep 16 20:14:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> References: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> Message-ID: <200409162131.13899.pfrostie@yahoo.com> > When I changed from dial-up to DSL, I simply plugged the NIC into the > DSL modem and turned it on. Waited until it booted up and then turned > on the computer and it connected. > > I must admit that prior to taking the computer down I changed it to run > DSL with the a net configuration tool. could you give a little more detail? what net configuration tool? btw, what dist? i'm on debian sarge. > > > Other than that, that's all I did. > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Sep 16 21:59:21 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 16 20:43:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: <200409162131.13899.pfrostie@yahoo.com> References: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> <200409162131.13899.pfrostie@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1095386363.1106.745.camel@laptop> Its a simple Ethernet setup. Just set your Ethernet interface to "get IP address automatically", plug in the cable, and reboot. You'll be up and running. To set the Ethernet interface properly, you can use the "setup" tool in Redhat -- select "Network Configuration" and then hit the spacebar to select "Use dynamic IP configuration". Or you can use the "netconfig" tool which leads you to the same page and you can select the same thing there. Again, just plug in the Ethernet cable and reboot after setting that configuration. You'll be up. BUT -- you WON'T be protected. You really should setup firewalling on the machine to protect yourself from the scum on the Internet. And turn off all the unused (potentially vulnerable) services on the machine. Both of those things can be done inside the Redhat "setup" tool. But if you want a custom and more secure setup, shoot me a message direct. We'll work on it. Chuck On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 20:31, phrostie wrote: > When I changed from dial-up to DSL, I simply plugged the NIC into the > DSL modem and turned it on. Waited until it booted up and then turned > on the computer and it connected. > > I must admit that prior to taking the computer down I changed it to run > DSL with the a net configuration tool. could you give a little more detail? what net configuration tool? btw, what dist? i'm on debian sarge. > > > Other than that, that's all I did. > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 22:09:15 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Sep 16 20:53:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 In-Reply-To: <414A3290.4060209@urdirect.net> References: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> <4149963C.7F1FFB1A@earthlink.net> <414A2FA8.1050201@urdirect.net> <414A3290.4060209@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <277020fc04091619095f134d9c@mail.gmail.com> Donn: Unfortunately the mysql version that ships with FC2 is 3.23, as you have already found out. Upgrading will not install 4.x for you. Here are some RPMs that I compiled on our server at work - you are welcome to try them but your mileage may vary. I think you may only need the server and client, but the other packages are there if you want them: http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-server-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-server-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-client-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-bench-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-devel-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-embedded-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-Max-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-shared-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:40:48 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > Think I found out what to do: yum upgrade mysql. Duh, pretty simple. > Hope it works. From snafu at urdirect.net Thu Sep 16 22:59:49 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Thu Sep 16 21:31:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 In-Reply-To: <277020fc04091619095f134d9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> <4149963C.7F1FFB1A@earthlink.net> <414A2FA8.1050201@urdirect.net> <414A3290.4060209@urdirect.net> <277020fc04091619095f134d9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <414A5325.1000009@urdirect.net> Thanks for that reply. Yep, I found out yum upgrade mysql does not do squat. Guess there's a problem with mysql being "yummable", maybe license or legal...? Anyway, just to play around with mysql to learn the basics, and create a "record collection" Db at home - I suppose mysql 3.23 would be ok for that... What do you think? I don't know if there are "pre-designed" Dbs out there - like for a record collection - or if people need to design one from scratch. Maybe the "foreign keys" in 4.x would not really matter for the little project I'm doing... Guess I'll stick with 3.23 to learn on. FC3 may have mysql 4.x ... Sean Carolan wrote: >Donn: > >Unfortunately the mysql version that ships with FC2 is 3.23, as you >have already found out. Upgrading will not install 4.x for you. Here >are some RPMs that I compiled on our server at work - you are welcome >to try them but your mileage may vary. I think you may only need the >server and client, but the other packages are there if you want them: > >http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-server-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm >http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-server-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm >http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-client-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm >http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-bench-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm >http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-devel-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm >http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-embedded-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm >http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-Max-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm >http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-shared-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm > > > > >On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:40:48 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > > >>Think I found out what to do: yum upgrade mysql. Duh, pretty simple. >>Hope it works. >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > From ub at paisd.net Thu Sep 16 22:17:27 2004 From: ub at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Thu Sep 16 21:50:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 In-Reply-To: <414A5325.1000009@urdirect.net> Message-ID: Go For It: You should stick with mysql 3.23 for now. There's lots of cool stuff you can do with mysql, apache/php (-see sourceforge.net) Check out http://www.dadabik.org. It helps you organize your databases to display online. Check out my lesson plans I made with it for my high school classes at: http://dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us/db7A/ My old friend James S. used to say: "If you rub it long enough it will shine :>" It's so true. Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Donn D. wrote: |Thanks for that reply. Yep, I found out yum upgrade mysql does not do |squat. Guess there's a problem with mysql being "yummable", maybe |license or legal...? Anyway, just to play around with mysql to learn |the basics, and create a "record collection" Db at home - I suppose |mysql 3.23 would be ok for that... What do you think? I don't know if |there are "pre-designed" Dbs out there - like for a record collection - |or if people need to design one from scratch. | |Maybe the "foreign keys" in 4.x would not really matter for the little |project I'm doing... | |Guess I'll stick with 3.23 to learn on. FC3 may have mysql 4.x ... | |Sean Carolan wrote: | |>Donn: |> |>Unfortunately the mysql version that ships with FC2 is 3.23, as you |>have already found out. Upgrading will not install 4.x for you. Here |>are some RPMs that I compiled on our server at work - you are welcome |>to try them but your mileage may vary. I think you may only need the |>server and client, but the other packages are there if you want them: |> |>http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-server-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm |>http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-server-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm |>http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-client-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm |>http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-bench-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm |>http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-devel-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm |>http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-embedded-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm |>http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-Max-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm |>http://medicalresource.homeunix.com/satlug/mysql-shared-4.0.20-0.i386.rpm |> |> |> |> |>On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:40:48 -0500, Donn D. wrote: |> |> |>>Think I found out what to do: yum upgrade mysql. Duh, pretty simple. |>>Hope it works. |>> |>> |>_______________________________________________ |>Satlug mailing list |>Satlug@satlug.org |>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug |> |> |> |> | |_______________________________________________ |Satlug mailing list |Satlug@satlug.org |http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug | From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Sep 16 23:44:17 2004 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Sep 16 22:28:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: <1095386363.1106.745.camel@laptop> References: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> <200409162131.13899.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <1095386363.1106.745.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On 16 Sep 2004 20:59:21 -0500, Chuck wrote: >Its a simple Ethernet setup. Just set your Ethernet interface to "get >IP address automatically", plug in the cable, and reboot. You'll be up >and running. Not necessarily. SBC/Yahoo has a client signup process that is required to get your myname@sbcglobal.net account activated to let you onto the big bad Internet. Unless you're paying for static IP service, you'll want to go to the manual signup FAQ at DSLReports.com for the instructions. (I'm going through this process now.) http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8346 The SBC 5100b DSL 'modem' is shipped as a PPPoE client that passes the WAN IP through to the LAN - theoretically. If you don't like that, here are some of the hacks. The current firmware does *NOT* always match this info, of course. http://www.dslreports.com/faq/10127 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11220873~mode=flat (Use the Search, Luke! There's a lot of traffic about this puppy.) If you don't want to fool with the device settings, you could always use a sacrificial Win98 box to install from the SBC/Yahoo CD, and reformat afterwards to purge the Yahoo cruft. Or just get broadband via cable and avoid the cost of anger management classes. From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Sep 17 00:17:08 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Thu Sep 16 23:01:04 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: References: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> <200409162131.13899.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <1095386363.1106.745.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1095394629.4479.751.camel@laptop> You've got a point Don. I wrote that directly addressing DSL. I didn't think to address the PPPoE crapola that SBC is pushing out on all their clients. Mainly because I never fool with it. I got tired of fooling around with SBC's PPPoE a long time ago and steer my clients away from them. I point them to the alternate DSL providers who don't push PPPoE down your throat. On-Line Computers is the one I use the most and I've had very good luck with them. Best part -- they use Linux for most of their servers (everything except a few where the application requires the Winblows virus). Chuck On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 22:44, Don Wright wrote: On 16 Sep 2004 20:59:21 -0500, Chuck wrote: >Its a simple Ethernet setup. Just set your Ethernet interface to "get >IP address automatically", plug in the cable, and reboot. You'll be up >and running. Not necessarily. SBC/Yahoo has a client signup process that is required to get your myname@sbcglobal.net account activated to let you onto the big bad Internet. Unless you're paying for static IP service, you'll want to go to the manual signup FAQ at DSLReports.com for the instructions. (I'm going through this process now.) http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8346 The SBC 5100b DSL 'modem' is shipped as a PPPoE client that passes the WAN IP through to the LAN - theoretically. If you don't like that, here are some of the hacks. The current firmware does *NOT* always match this info, of course. http://www.dslreports.com/faq/10127 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11220873~mode=flat (Use the Search, Luke! There's a lot of traffic about this puppy.) If you don't want to fool with the device settings, you could always use a sacrificial Win98 box to install from the SBC/Yahoo CD, and reformat afterwards to purge the Yahoo cruft. Or just get broadband via cable and avoid the cost of anger management classes. _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From mikeaw at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 00:24:37 2004 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Sep 16 23:08:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 In-Reply-To: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> References: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <4154519d04091621242228df89@mail.gmail.com> Check out this article. I think this has exactly what you need. http://fedoranews.org/contributors/tony_smith/mysql/ While the directions are complete, there's a step which involves building RPMs. If you've never done that kinda thing before, you might want to take a look at the following links... just for reference. http://fedoranews.org/hoyt/rpm/ http://fedoranews.org/tchung/rpmbuild/ -Mike On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:34:14 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > A couple of months ago on my FC2 machine, I used yum to install mysql & > mysql-server (3.23). I have not yet created any tables or even done > anything at all. Now that I am ready to start learning mysql, and > practicing at home by creating a Db of my large LP collection, I might > as well upgrade to 4.0. I was wondering how to do that - do I need to > remove what I have and then do another yum install (of 4.0). Or can I > upgrade to 4.0 with yum while 3.23 is on my machine? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From joe.speigle at jklh.us Fri Sep 17 00:28:03 2004 From: joe.speigle at jklh.us (joseph speigle) Date: Thu Sep 16 23:46:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] php question for some of you gurus out there In-Reply-To: <6050.24.173.60.2.1095206449.squirrel@www.idxwebservices.com>; from Sexton@IDXWebServices.com on Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 07:00:49PM -0500 References: <6050.24.173.60.2.1095206449.squirrel@www.idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: <20040916232803.A30398@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Art, thinking outside the box, why not write to a static file and issue a separate web request after it is done? IMHO php is like windows ... mess around enough and it usually fixes itself. Meaning, there is probably a function call to do. googling around i saw, http://us3.php.net/set_time_limit you know how to save a file, but this is kinda funny: "; $data=$_POST[content]; $data = stripslashes($data); // the above would escape all quotes in the body $FPtemplate = $template_dir .'/'. $template; // like a miracle, addition of the next 2 lines // even if they dont print anything // causes it to save correctly to disk if ($DEBUG>1) echo "FPtemplate = $FPtemplate
"; if ($DEBUG>1) echo "
data = $data
"; $fd = fopen ($FPtemplate, "w"); fwrite ($fd, $data); fclose ($fd); echo "

template: $template was successfully changed and saved on disc with your new changes.
\n"; } just an idea. On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 07:00:49PM -0500, Art Sexton wrote: > Here is the situation. I have a client that has changed from a FTP based > file download to a http based "RETS" system. I generate a login > transaction and then the actual query. The login transaction comes back > almost instantly and I keep the session for the query transaction. If I > specify a particular record, or records, then I get a response to the > query. If I am looking for a complete file update, then I get a timeout. > I called the vendor and they say that I need to set my timeout higher > since they generate the whole file before responding...which can take up > to 20 minutes. > > Here is the code for my query and it is still timing out at approx 160 > seconds...any suggestions? > > ini_set(default_socket_timeout, 2400); > $fp = fsockopen($host , 80, &$errno, &$errstr, 2400); > fputs($fp,$hdr); > stream_set_timeout($fp, 2400); > $status = socket_get_status($fp); > > $res_out = fopen("RES_DATA", "w"); > while(!feof($fp) && !$status['timed_out']) > { > stream_set_timeout($fp, 2400); > $buff=fgets($fp,5000); > fwrite($res_out, $buff); > } > fclose($fp); > fclose($res_out); > > Thanks in advance for your help! > > > > -- > Art Sexton > IDX Web Services > Virtually Selling Real Estate Anywhere! > www.IDXWebServices.com > Sexton@IDXWebServices.com > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- if you're christian, god bless; otherwise, good luck; and, if you dont believe in luck, start exercising more power to you! From miguel.figueroa at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 01:05:57 2004 From: miguel.figueroa at gmail.com (Miguel Figueroa) Date: Thu Sep 16 23:49:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Preferred music player In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04091616077a0adfb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04091616077a0adfb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:07:44 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > I'm sure most of us have a good collection of music. I've been trying > to find a music player that will do what I want it to do. If I move > more music into my music directory, I want it to rescan or import > these files. XMMS will do this, but navigating its playlist is > difficult. I'm a fan of Rhythmbox for its nice layout and breakdown of > Album and Artist in its program window. I've also tried Juk. None of > these programs will *find* new mp3s and them to the playlist. Am I > just asking for an impossible task? > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Jeremy, I use Rhythmbox all the time. What you need to do as you add more music is to click on "Music/Import Folder", even if its the same folder you've always used and it will scan the directory and add anything new to the list. You won't get duplicates since it's a little smarter than that! Miguel From swinston at global-gaming.com Fri Sep 17 02:40:54 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Fri Sep 17 01:24:56 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: PHP Question and XMMS In-Reply-To: <200409170446.i8H4ksY24523@alamo.satlug.org> (from satlug-request@satlug.org on Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 23:46:54 -0500) References: <200409170446.i8H4ksY24523@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040917064054.GA10050@Linux.satx.rr.com> 20 minutes to generate a file?!? That's ridiculous! There's no way to make PHP wait that long, not PHP's fault but typically it's the fault of the browser or the client, or even the server itself. What I'd do is simply run a cron job every 20 minutes so you'd already have the theoretically most uptodate file you can get; then just offer the file for download. Writing a file to disk or even to a pipe file is not a problem. The advantage of a pipe file is you can access it for reading and writing at the same time and virtually get it as if you'd be running that job in the background, and then you could get part updates as the job is run. As for XMMS, alsa is great, don't get me wrong, it's just the biggest pain this side of windows when it acts up. In other words, every time you roll your own kernel. OSD (what you're probably using now) actually works quite well. I do agree with Alan Cox when he said OSD was fubar. The major problems with OSD is it's clumsy, it emulates being able to play multiple streams, and can have quite unexpected results from regular MIDI tones. Alsa on the other hand, is fast, streamlined, and over all pain in the ascii to install. It has the major downfall of requiring root access to change the volume (or at least sudo access for the one alsamixer). There's other apps out there that will do the trick too from regular users, but they still use root privileges in one form or another to simply change the volume. Anyway, if Alsa is the solution to any XMMS problem, I'd be surprised. XMMS, like other user space programs, uses the API's to talk to the sound device. XMMS does have Alsa sound API support, however it's not on by default (I don't think). You're probably going to experience the same problems you have now if you simply switch to Alsa as it's the program level where the PCM is generated. That happens prior to the API calls to either OSD or Alsa (or direct Audio, OpenAL, etc.). I'm sorry I'm coming in late to the conversation, so I don't know what your problem was, just commenting on the likelihood of the solution. Anyway, Best of Luck Walt!! -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC Well, the handwriting is on the floor. -- Joe E. Lewis From yatinhat at yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 01:49:34 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Fri Sep 17 02:33:29 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WSJ author recommends Apple. Message-ID: <20040917074934.97861.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> This recent article appeared in the Wall Str Jour..notice that Walter (the author) failed to mention Linux as an alternative to Microsoft. Walter recommends Mozilla Firefox over Internet Explorer. _________________________________________________ Wall Street Journal online edition September 16, 2004 PERSONAL TECHNOLOGY By WALTER S. MOSSBERG How to Protect Yourself >From Vandals, Viruses If You Use Windows September 16, 2004; Page B1 If you use a Windows personal computer to access the Internet, your personal files, your privacy and your security are all in jeopardy. An international criminal class of virus writers, hackers, digital vandals and sleazy businesspeople wakes up every day planning to attack your PC. And the company that controls the Windows platform, Microsoft, has made this too easy to do by carelessly opening numerous security holes in the operating system and its Web browser. Even if you install the recent Service Pack 2 update to Windows XP, you will still be vulnerable. As I have said before, I believe Microsoft and the computer makers should be taking care of all these problems with a unified, managed approach that would free users from having to learn about all the threats and constantly manage security. They should take responsibility for shielding users from hackers, spammers, viruses and spyware -- the malicious software that hijacks your browsing and searching, pushes ads into your face, and secretly logs your activities. But until that happens, you will have to fend for yourself. So here's a quick, rudimentary guide to protecting yourself in the digital world. Opting out: The single most effective way to avoid viruses and spyware is to simply chuck Windows altogether and buy an Apple Macintosh. Apple's operating system, Mac OS X, is harder for the criminals to infect, and the Mac's market share is so small that hackers, virus writers and spies get little thrill, financial gain or publicity from attacking the platform. There has never been a successful virus written for Mac OS X, and there is almost no spyware that targets the Mac. Plus, the Mac is invulnerable to viruses and spyware written for Windows. Not only is it more secure, but the Mac operating system is more capable, more modern and more attractive than Windows XP, and just as stable. Macs are as good as, and often better than, Windows PCs at doing the most common computing tasks: Web browsing, e-mail, word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, photos, music and video. The Mac version of Microsoft Office can handle Windows Office files with ease, and it produces files that Office for Windows handles effortlessly. Apple's computers are also gorgeous. But switching platforms is expensive, and scary to people. So if you're sticking with Windows, read on. Halting hackers: Buy a software firewall program, one that won't only stop hackers trying to get in but will also halt suspicious programs already on your PC from trying to send information out over the Internet. The one I recommend is ZoneAlarm, a free utility from Zone Labs, available at www.zonelabs.com1. Use it instead of the wimpier built-in firewall Microsoft supplies. If you have a broadband connection or a home network, make sure your modem or router (a common piece of networking gear) is equipped with a feature called NAT, or Network Address Translation. This technology makes it harder for criminals on the Internet to find your computers. Even if you have NAT, however, I still recommend you have a software firewall program, because NAT doesn't block every attack. Curing viruses: You must run a strong antivirus program, and keep it updated, even if updates cost money. I recommend Norton AntiVirus (the stand-alone program, not the cumbersome security suite). It's very effective, and its automatic update system is the best I've ever tested. It costs $50, including a year of updates. Stopping spyware: Since antivirus programs don't attack spyware, you will need to run, and keep updating, a separate piece of software called an antispyware program. I recommend Spy Sweeper from Webroot software, at www.webroot.com2. It costs $30, including a year of updates. Like an antivirus program, it not only detects and removes spyware already on your PC, but also watches for, and blocks, new spyware. Stuffing spam: Buy a decent antispam program. I know of none that is close to perfect, but the best is probably MailFrontier Desktop, available for $30 at www.mailfrontier.com3. If you're really fed up, you can turn on the "challenge" feature in this program, which forces unknown senders to pass a simple test that baffles the mass-mailing software spammers use. Browsing safely: I suggest dumping Microsoft's Internet Explorer Web browser, which has a history of security breaches. I recommend instead Mozilla Firefox, which is free at www.mozilla.org4. It's not only more secure but also more modern and advanced, with tabbed browsing, which allows multiple pages to be open on one screen, and a better pop-up ad blocker than the belated one Microsoft recently added to IE. Being careful: Never download software from the Web unless you are certain you know what it is and that you want and need it. If a Web site says you need some special plug-in to view things, be very wary. Common viewer software, like that from Real Networks, Apple or Macromedia, should be obtained from those companies' official sites. Staying current: You should probably install Microsoft's new SP2 update, which does improve Windows security -- although it has caused serious problems for a minority of Windows users. And you should install all the "critical updates" Microsoft issues for Windows. Bottom line: If you use Windows, you're asking for trouble. But you can mitigate the risk by taking precautions. From satlug at vinny.us Fri Sep 17 03:54:03 2004 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny) Date: Fri Sep 17 02:38:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: <1095394629.4479.751.camel@laptop> References: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> <200409162131.13899.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <1095386363.1106.745.camel@laptop> <1095394629.4479.751.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <414A981B.7060206@vinny.us> Here is a link to the client I used long ago 99' for SBC DSL before RR was available in my area. http://www.roaringpenguin.com/penguin/open_source_rp-pppoe.php It's very simple to setup provided you already have a username and password registered. It even has iptables built in for firewall and NAT. Vinny Chuck wrote: > You've got a point Don. I wrote that directly addressing DSL. I didn't > think to address the PPPoE crapola that SBC is pushing out on all their > clients. Mainly because I never fool with it. > > I got tired of fooling around with SBC's PPPoE a long time ago and steer > my clients away from them. I point them to the alternate DSL providers > who don't push PPPoE down your throat. On-Line Computers is the one I > use the most and I've had very good luck with them. Best part -- they > use Linux for most of their servers (everything except a few where the > application requires the Winblows virus). > > > Chuck > > > > On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 22:44, Don Wright wrote: > > On 16 Sep 2004 20:59:21 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > >Its a simple Ethernet setup. Just set your Ethernet interface to "get > >IP address automatically", plug in the cable, and reboot. You'll be up > >and running. > > Not necessarily. SBC/Yahoo has a client signup process that is > required to get your myname@sbcglobal.net account activated to let you > onto the big bad Internet. Unless you're paying for static IP service, > you'll want to go to the manual signup FAQ at DSLReports.com for the > instructions. (I'm going through this process now.) > > http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8346 > > The SBC 5100b DSL 'modem' is shipped as a PPPoE client that passes the > WAN IP through to the LAN - theoretically. If you don't like that, > here are some of the hacks. The current firmware does *NOT* always > match this info, of course. > > http://www.dslreports.com/faq/10127 > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11220873~mode=flat > (Use the Search, Luke! There's a lot of traffic about this puppy.) > > If you don't want to fool with the device settings, you could always > use a sacrificial Win98 box to install from the SBC/Yahoo CD, and > reformat afterwards to purge the Yahoo cruft. Or just get broadband > via cable and avoid the cost of anger management classes. > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 07:30:10 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Sep 17 06:14:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 In-Reply-To: <4154519d04091621242228df89@mail.gmail.com> References: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> <4154519d04091621242228df89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0409170430b4842c0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:24:37 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > Check out this article. I think this has exactly what you need. > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/tony_smith/mysql/ I used these exact instructions to build my rpms, and they work great. On the other hand, if you're not using a program or script that absolutely has to have some of the new features of 4.x, you should just stick with 3.23. From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 07:33:43 2004 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Sep 17 06:17:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WSJ author recommends Apple. In-Reply-To: <20040917074934.97861.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040917074934.97861.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc04091704331a40622d@mail.gmail.com> I would contend that the major threat to Microsoft's desktop monopoly at this point in time is not necessarily Linux, but rather Open Office. Teach your friends and coworkers to use Open Office and Mozilla at home and work, on their Windows computers. Then once they have learned to use these programs they can switch to Linux more easily. From imeinzen at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 07:52:41 2004 From: imeinzen at gmail.com (Ian Meinzen) Date: Fri Sep 17 06:36:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Visual front end to CVS In-Reply-To: <1095358177.7208.21.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <1095358177.7208.21.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <4603d9ee04091704523dbbac46@mail.gmail.com> I've found that WinCVS (www.wincvs.org) works well for me. It has a GTK, Mac, & Win32 executable. I use it at work all the time. Ian On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:09:37 -0700, N. David Guarneri wrote: > I know you probably have discussed this recently... > > What's a good visual front end to CVS for project mainainters? I > started a project on SourceForge and am looking for a good front end. > -- > "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed > and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Ian R. Meinzen From afcasta at texas.net Fri Sep 17 08:06:43 2004 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Fri Sep 17 06:50:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] WSJ author recommends Apple. In-Reply-To: <20040917074934.97861.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c49cae$cfad7330$0301a8c0@triffid> Today's userfriendly toon seems right on time for this discussion. Much as I agree with Mossberg's reasoning for switching to the Mac, switching to Linux makes a lot more sense for folks who already own Intel or AMD based PCs. And for people who have to deal with MS Office files, I find Linux with OpenOffice a better solution than MS Office X for Mac, because the Mac version of the MUA, called Entourage, doesn't mesh with Exchange as well as some of the Linux MUAs. Al Castanoli | afcasta@texas.net Mary Yatti wrote on Friday, September 17, 2004 2:50 AM This recent article appeared in the Wall Str Jour..notice that Walter (the author) failed to mention Linux as an alternative to Microsoft. Walter recommends Mozilla Firefox over Internet Explorer. _________________________________________________ Wall Street Journal online edition September 16, 2004 PERSONAL TECHNOLOGY By WALTER S. MOSSBERG How to Protect Yourself From Vandals, Viruses If You Use Windows September 16, 2004; Page B1 If you use a Windows personal computer to access the Internet, your personal files, your privacy and your security are all in jeopardy. An international criminal class of virus writers, hackers, digital vandals and sleazy businesspeople wakes up every day planning to attack your PC. [...] Opting out: The single most effective way to avoid viruses and spyware is to simply chuck Windows altogether and buy an Apple Macintosh. Apple's operating system, Mac OS X, is harder for the criminals to infect, and the Mac's market share is so small that hackers, virus writers and spies get little thrill, financial gain or publicity from attacking the platform. [...] Staying current: You should probably install Microsoft's new SP2 update, which does improve Windows security -- although it has caused serious problems for a minority of Windows users. And you should install all the "critical updates" Microsoft issues for Windows. Bottom line: If you use Windows, you're asking for trouble. But you can mitigate the risk by taking precautions. From dubose at texas.net Fri Sep 17 09:36:27 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Fri Sep 17 08:20:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL Message-ID: <20040917133608.0F7B7396A280@mail1.aus.texas.net> I don't like to fool with PPPoE so bought a LinkSys Router to go between the DSL box and my computer...it handles the PPPoE and acts as a very minimul firewall. Walt > Here is a link to the client I used long ago 99' for SBC DSL before RR > was available in my area. > > http://www.roaringpenguin.com/penguin/open_source_rp-pppoe.php > > It's very simple to setup provided you already have a username and > password registered. It even has iptables built in for firewall and NAT. > > Vinny > > > Chuck wrote: > > You've got a point Don. I wrote that directly addressing DSL. I didn't > > think to address the PPPoE crapola that SBC is pushing out on all their > > clients. Mainly because I never fool with it. > > > > I got tired of fooling around with SBC's PPPoE a long time ago and steer > > my clients away from them. I point them to the alternate DSL providers > > who don't push PPPoE down your throat. On-Line Computers is the one I > > use the most and I've had very good luck with them. Best part -- they > > use Linux for most of their servers (everything except a few where the > > application requires the Winblows virus). > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 22:44, Don Wright wrote: > > > > On 16 Sep 2004 20:59:21 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > > > >Its a simple Ethernet setup. Just set your Ethernet interface to "get > > >IP address automatically", plug in the cable, and reboot. You'll be up > > >and running. > > > > Not necessarily. SBC/Yahoo has a client signup process that is > > required to get your myname@sbcglobal.net account activated to let you > > onto the big bad Internet. Unless you're paying for static IP service, > > you'll want to go to the manual signup FAQ at DSLReports.com for the > > instructions. (I'm going through this process now.) > > > > http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8346 > > > > The SBC 5100b DSL 'modem' is shipped as a PPPoE client that passes the > > WAN IP through to the LAN - theoretically. If you don't like that, > > here are some of the hacks. The current firmware does *NOT* always > > match this info, of course. > > > > http://www.dslreports.com/faq/10127 > > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11220873~mode=flat > > (Use the Search, Luke! There's a lot of traffic about this puppy.) > > > > If you don't want to fool with the device settings, you could always > > use a sacrificial Win98 box to install from the SBC/Yahoo CD, and > > reformat afterwards to purge the Yahoo cruft. Or just get broadband > > via cable and avoid the cost of anger management classes. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 09:37:21 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Sep 17 08:21:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: <1095394629.4479.751.camel@laptop> References: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> <200409162131.13899.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <1095386363.1106.745.camel@laptop> <1095394629.4479.751.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <345e55a504091706373430b2e7@mail.gmail.com> On 16 Sep 2004 23:17:08 -0500, Chuck wrote: > You've got a point Don. I wrote that directly addressing DSL. I didn't > think to address the PPPoE crapola that SBC is pushing out on all their > clients. Mainly because I never fool with it. > You know I completely forgot that SBC is using PPPoE because I never see it. The router takes care of that for me. I have had no problems with SBC's service. It's been great. Regards, Greg From dubose at texas.net Fri Sep 17 10:55:52 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Fri Sep 17 09:39:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Sound Card Message-ID: <20040917145533.48363CB11C0@mail2.aus.texas.net> Three questions on USB Sound Cards... 1) Has any one used a USB Sound Card on Linux? 2) Has anyone use a USB Sound Card on MS 8.2 or Suse 9.1? 3) Are any USB Sound Cards equal to a SB Live or does the SB Live come as a USB Sound Card? Walt From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Sep 17 11:16:44 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Sep 17 10:00:52 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business phone/internet in SA Message-ID: <200409171516.i8HFGiKJ007148@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Hi, My wife is working in a small business and they are unhappy with SBC's cost for telephone and internet service (they have DSL). Are there any good alternatives? What about the status of VoIP, is that an alternative for a small business (4 lines, fax and internet)? Any recommendations and experiences would be helpful. -Borries From bryan.scott at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 12:16:17 2004 From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott) Date: Fri Sep 17 11:03:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business phone/internet in SA In-Reply-To: <200409171516.i8HFGiKJ007148@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200409171516.i8HFGiKJ007148@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: Go with bus class RR and then add Vonage on top of it. It works great for me. -Bryan On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:16:44 -0500 (CDT), Borries Demeler wrote: > Hi, > My wife is working in a small business and they are unhappy with SBC's cost > for telephone and internet service (they have DSL). Are there any good alternatives? > What about the status of VoIP, is that an alternative for a small business (4 lines, > fax and internet)? > > Any recommendations and experiences would be helpful. > > -Borries > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From snafu at urdirect.net Fri Sep 17 12:44:09 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Fri Sep 17 11:15:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] upgrade mysql from 3.23 to 4 In-Reply-To: <277020fc0409170430b4842c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <414A22F6.5090608@urdirect.net> <4154519d04091621242228df89@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0409170430b4842c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <414B1459.8000909@urdirect.net> Sean Carolan wrote: >On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:24:37 -0500, Mike Wallace wrote: > > >>Check out this article. I think this has exactly what you need. >>http://fedoranews.org/contributors/tony_smith/mysql/ >> >> > >I used these exact instructions to build my rpms, and they work great. > >On the other hand, if you're not using a program or script that >absolutely has to have some of the new features of 4.x, you should >just stick with 3.23. >_______________________________________________ > > I was going to buy a mysql book or 2 before I start playing with it. Almost all of the books cover mysql 4. It appears that mysql 4 has been available since early 2003 or even before. Disappointing that a linux distro (FC2) that came out in 2004 would have an sql version over 2 years old. Even if I use 3.23 to learn on, I suppose buying a couple of books (even though they are for 4) would still be helpful.... From bbarenblat at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 10:33:06 2004 From: bbarenblat at sbcglobal.net (Benjamin Barenblat) Date: Fri Sep 17 11:16:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Netgear MA111 Wireless USB Device Message-ID: <20040917163306.53721.qmail@web80707.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I am attempting to connect a Netgear MA111 wireless device to my machine via USB. I found some instructions on LinuxQuestions.org. They worked excellently on the first computer on which I installed the device (a Dell i686 P3 running Fedora Core 1 (2.4.22-1.2115.nptl)). The driver built properly and installed the module "prism2_usb". I was then able to use "redhat-config-network" to create device "wlan0", probe for a hardware address, enter a WEP key, and so forth. Now, this computer is fully networked and runs perfectly. Then, I tried to put a second device on a second computer (a Dell i686 P4 also running Fedora Core 1). Everything worked perfectly up to Step 3 ("make config"). The configuration script reported that it appeared that the kernel had been rebuilt after installation and reminded me that the source that it built from had to be running. I ignored the warning because I had never rebuilt the kernel itself (I had tried to rebuild the kernel from a copy of the source code), and continued with the instructions. Everything worked wonderfully until I tried to use "redhat-config-network". I had it create a new device, wireless-type, using prism2_usb. It did, but when I tried to activate the new device, it said that the device was not present (although it was). I tried rebuilding the driver and it diid the same thing; it still warned about the kernel appearing to have been rebuilt. I thought that perhaps it was messing the configuration up, so I went into the source directory and ran "make distclean" to remove previous compilation data and then "make mrproper" to build the kernel source tree. Then when I ran "make config" in the driver directory, it reported that -- Begin transcription -- Linux source tree /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl is incomplete or missing! The kernel header files are present, but not the full source code. See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for the current kernel sources. Configuration failed -- End transcription -- I then went to the Linux Kernel Archives and downloaded the Linux-2.4.22 source. I unpacked the tarball into my /usr/src directory and tried configuring the driver with the new source. I got the same message. So now I'm stuck. If anyone has any solution ideas (preferably without buying a new wireless device) they would be greatly appreciated. Thanks From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 12:32:50 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri Sep 17 11:17:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: <345e55a504091706373430b2e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200409162029.10865.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <414A3BFE.85AE8942@texas.net> <200409162131.13899.pfrostie@yahoo.com> <1095386363.1106.745.camel@laptop> <1095394629.4479.751.camel@laptop> <345e55a504091706373430b2e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f04091709321e1f3931@mail.gmail.com> I would have to agree with Greg my Homeportal mode/router has been great absolutely no hassles what so ever. I can do a lot more with it than I could with my two netgear routers. As for PPPoE I don't have a problem with it at all the modem/router takes care of it all for you. As for the registration SBC does have a website you can use to register instead of the yahoo CD. You will need to call customer support to get the address though. I had to do this with my wife grandparents as there computer didn't have enough memory to run the installer. The only reasons I would change back to RoadRunner is the speed difference when having to VPN into work from home. That is the only real time I have noticed a huge difference. Zeb On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:37:21 -0500, Greg Willden wrote: > On 16 Sep 2004 23:17:08 -0500, Chuck wrote: > > You've got a point Don. I wrote that directly addressing DSL. I didn't > > think to address the PPPoE crapola that SBC is pushing out on all their > > clients. Mainly because I never fool with it. > > > > You know I completely forgot that SBC is using PPPoE because I never > see it. The router takes care of that for me. > > I have had no problems with SBC's service. It's been great. > > Regards, > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 12:49:19 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Sep 17 11:34:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Netgear MA111 Wireless USB Device In-Reply-To: <20040917163306.53721.qmail@web80707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040917163306.53721.qmail@web80707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f040917094943b33ec1@mail.gmail.com> You never stated what kernel is on this new machine. If the kernels are the same on both Fedora's, just copy the working prism_usb to the new machine and modprobe the driver. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:33:06 -0700 (PDT), Benjamin Barenblat wrote: > Hello, > > I am attempting to connect a Netgear MA111 wireless device to my machine via USB. I found some instructions on LinuxQuestions.org. They worked excellently on the first computer on which I installed the device (a Dell i686 P3 running Fedora Core 1 (2.4.22-1.2115.nptl)). The driver built properly and installed the module "prism2_usb". I was then able to use "redhat-config-network" to create device "wlan0", probe for a hardware address, enter a WEP key, and so forth. Now, this computer is fully networked and runs perfectly. > > Then, I tried to put a second device on a second computer (a Dell i686 P4 also running Fedora Core 1). Everything worked perfectly up to Step 3 ("make config"). The configuration script reported that it appeared that the kernel had been rebuilt after installation and reminded me that the source that it built from had to be running. I ignored the warning because I had never rebuilt the kernel itself (I had tried to rebuild the kernel from a copy of the source code), and continued with the instructions. Everything worked wonderfully until I tried to use "redhat-config-network". I had it create a new device, wireless-type, using prism2_usb. It did, but when I tried to activate the new device, it said that the device was not present (although it was). I tried rebuilding the driver and it diid the same thing; it still warned about the kernel appearing to have been rebuilt. I thought that perhaps it was messing the configuration up, so I went into the source directory and ! > ran "make > distclean" to remove previous compilation data and then "make mrproper" to build the kernel source tree. Then when I ran "make config" in the driver directory, it reported that > -- Begin transcription -- > Linux source tree /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl is incomplete or missing! > The kernel header files are present, but not the full source code. > See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for the current kernel sources. > > Configuration failed > -- End transcription -- > I then went to the Linux Kernel Archives and downloaded the Linux-2.4.22 source. I unpacked the tarball into my /usr/src directory and tried configuring the driver with the new source. I got the same message. > > So now I'm stuck. If anyone has any solution ideas (preferably without buying a new wireless device) they would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From jftitan at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 17 12:53:51 2004 From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes) Date: Fri Sep 17 11:37:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Sound Card In-Reply-To: <20040917145533.48363CB11C0@mail2.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <200409171653.i8HGrst2011196@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> Hey Walt! I can safely answer two of the three questions. 1) My Mandrake 10, detected my USB MP3+ card, but I only get sound through my pci sound card. I need to spend some time figuring out how to make it work. Again I know it was detected. 2) not a clue 3) Creative Labs released an Audigy2 ZS (something something) USB SoundBlaster which supports 6.1 with optical/coax SPDIF, and standard 2.5mm mini-jacks. If the price was right, I'd get one, but my USB SoundBlaster MP3+ does just fine with its single optical SPDIF. Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!" Network Security Administrator SwapNEtwork eXtreme, www.swapnetx.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of dubose@texas.net Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:56 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] USB Sound Card Three questions on USB Sound Cards... 1) Has any one used a USB Sound Card on Linux? 2) Has anyone use a USB Sound Card on MS 8.2 or Suse 9.1? 3) Are any USB Sound Cards equal to a SB Live or does the SB Live come as a USB Sound Card? Walt _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Sep 17 13:18:04 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Fri Sep 17 12:02:00 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business phone/internet in SA In-Reply-To: <200409171516.i8HFGiKJ007148@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200409171516.i8HFGiKJ007148@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1095441485.4479.762.camel@laptop> If you don't want to go with Roadrunner (with their horrible support), use one of the resellers. I've switched some customers to On-Line Computers for DSL service. Costs less than SBC business class and local/better support. And still uses SBC phone lines for the service! For phones, I've also switched people to other services for the same reason -- tired of SBC bull. I don't recommend any one company since it depends on the situation. But if you want a combined package, I just helped switched an office over to Texlink. They brought a T-1 into the office, split out part of it as phone lines and dedicated the rest to Internet access. We put in a firewall and set up their internal services. Shoot back a message direct if you are interested in checking with them -- I've got a contact name & number I'll pass along. Chuck On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 10:16, Borries Demeler wrote: Hi, My wife is working in a small business and they are unhappy with SBC's cost for telephone and internet service (they have DSL). Are there any good alternatives? What about the status of VoIP, is that an alternative for a small business (4 lines, fax and internet)? Any recommendations and experiences would be helpful. -Borries _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 13:26:24 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Sep 17 12:10:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Sound Card In-Reply-To: <200409171653.i8HGrst2011196@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> References: <20040917145533.48363CB11C0@mail2.aus.texas.net> <200409171653.i8HGrst2011196@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f04091710267fa38fb9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:53:51 -0500, Joseph Forbes wrote: > Hey Walt! > > I can safely answer two of the three questions. > > 1) My Mandrake 10, detected my USB MP3+ card, but I only get sound through > my pci sound card. I need to spend some time figuring out how to make it > work. Again I know it was detected. Joe, looks like with two soundcards, you'll have to tell the program which card to play through. The MP3+ is probably /dev/dsp1. -- Jeremy From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 17 14:00:50 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Fri Sep 17 12:44:18 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Sound Card In-Reply-To: <20040917145533.48363CB11C0@mail2.aus.texas.net> References: <20040917145533.48363CB11C0@mail2.aus.texas.net> Message-ID: <1095451249.8376.51.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 07:55, dubose@texas.net wrote: > Three questions on USB Sound Cards... > > 1) Has any one used a USB Sound Card on Linux? Yes. I have the Sound Blaster Extigy. > > 2) Has anyone use a USB Sound Card on MS 8.2 or Suse 9.1? I use the interface with Suse 9 > > 3) Are any USB Sound Cards equal to a SB Live or does the SB Live come as a USB > Sound Card? Never used SB Live. The Extigy has 24-bit Dobly 5.1 outputs, optical input/output, a mic input, a line in, midi in/out, and a remote control. It also has knobs in the front. From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 17 15:01:34 2004 From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (mattvaldes@satx.rr.com) Date: Fri Sep 17 13:45:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Filtering Message-ID: <76568e76b5c9.76b5c976568e@texas.rr.com> Hi All, Does anyone have experience with web content filters like Dans Guardian, etc.? I'm looking for something that might be good for a private elementary school. Any input is appreciated. Thanks, Matt From ub at paisd.net Fri Sep 17 14:31:28 2004 From: ub at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Fri Sep 17 14:04:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Filtering In-Reply-To: <76568e76b5c9.76b5c976568e@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: Matt: I'm fairly content with squid and squidGuard. We use it for our CIPA compliant filter here at school. I do plan to implement a Dansguardian setup for testing pretty soon. I'd be happpy to compare notes with you. Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 mattvaldes@satx.rr.com wrote: |Hi All, | |Does anyone have experience with web content filters like Dans Guardian, etc.? I'm looking for something that might be good for a private elementary school. Any input is appreciated. | |Thanks, |Matt | |_______________________________________________ |Satlug mailing list |Satlug@satlug.org |http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug | From dubose at texas.net Fri Sep 17 16:38:36 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Fri Sep 17 15:22:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Sound Card Message-ID: <20040917203816.F25091CCF6B7@mail2.aus.texas.net> Ok...I dumped the cottenpicken E-Mail. Who said they were using a USB Soundcard with Suse 9.0? And what kind was it? Walt From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 17 16:54:02 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Fri Sep 17 15:37:37 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Sound Card In-Reply-To: <1095451249.8376.51.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <20040917145533.48363CB11C0@mail2.aus.texas.net> <1095451249.8376.51.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1095461642.7208.53.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 13:00, N. David Guarneri wrote: > On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 07:55, dubose@texas.net wrote: > > Three questions on USB Sound Cards... > > > > 1) Has any one used a USB Sound Card on Linux? > Yes. I have the Sound Blaster Extigy. > > > > 2) Has anyone use a USB Sound Card on MS 8.2 or Suse 9.1? > I use the interface with Suse 9 > > > > 3) Are any USB Sound Cards equal to a SB Live or does the SB Live come as a USB > > Sound Card? > > Never used SB Live. The Extigy has 24-bit Dobly 5.1 outputs, optical input/output, > a mic input, a line in, midi in/out, and a remote control. It also has knobs in the front. > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From joe.speigle at jklh.us Fri Sep 17 22:49:54 2004 From: joe.speigle at jklh.us (joseph speigle) Date: Fri Sep 17 22:08:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office Message-ID: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> hi list, i i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. no, english is not my native language tonight .. joe From joe.speigle at jklh.us Fri Sep 17 22:52:39 2004 From: joe.speigle at jklh.us (joseph speigle) Date: Fri Sep 17 22:11:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office In-Reply-To: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com>; from joe.speigle@jklh.us on Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:49:54PM -0500 References: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: <20040917215239.B5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> addendum: some of you do wireless connecdtions with these things -- .... they said no wireless shoting cross the street, they shot that one down (). On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:49:54PM -0500, joseph speigle wrote: > hi list, i > > i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? > > sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. > > no, english is not my native language tonight .. > > joe > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- if you're christian, god bless; otherwise, good luck; and, if you dont believe in luck, start exercising more power to you! From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 17 23:39:28 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Fri Sep 17 22:12:14 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office In-Reply-To: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> References: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: <1095478768.7335.11.camel@zeus.matrix> I'd suggest an SDSL bridge. ISDN isn't as good for Pptp applications. This is all dependent on whether or not you can find a dry cable pair between the two locations. Since you mention a street, that means SBC will be getting involved and I don't think that is going to happen. I do not recommend wireless because of its security issues however it might need to happen as a last resort. FIRESTORM_v1 On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 21:49, joseph speigle wrote: > hi list, i > > i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? > > sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. > > no, english is not my native language tonight .. > > joe > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 17 23:41:03 2004 From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt) Date: Fri Sep 17 22:13:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office In-Reply-To: <20040917215239.B5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> References: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <20040917215239.B5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: <1095478864.7335.13.camel@zeus.matrix> did they say WHY? A wireless network can be secured using PPTP as a VPN service. ;) FIRESTORM_v1 On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 21:52, joseph speigle wrote: > addendum: some of you do wireless connecdtions with these things -- .... they said no wireless shoting cross the street, they shot that one down (). > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:49:54PM -0500, joseph speigle wrote: > > hi list, i > > > > i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? > > > > sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. > > > > no, english is not my native language tonight .. > > > > joe > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > -- > if you're christian, god bless; otherwise, good luck; and, if you dont believe in luck, start exercising more power to you! > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Fri Sep 17 23:47:39 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Fri Sep 17 22:33:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office In-Reply-To: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: <000701c49d32$3e44abf0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> I used to run an office with ISDN....and all I can say is NEVER AGAIN...we had nothing but problems with the connections and it was so sloooooooow. Try and talk them into anything else....maybe cable or DSL....or a shared T-1?? My 2 cents.... R -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of joseph speigle Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:50 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office hi list, i i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. no, english is not my native language tonight .. joe _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From me at jchampion.com Sat Sep 18 00:46:11 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Fri Sep 17 23:30:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] fedora core 2 on an asus nforce board Message-ID: <001101c49d3a$6ea33430$0200a8c0@blackhole1> hi, has anyone installed this combo yet? were there any caveats or did fedora recognize the chipset, video, network and sound of the board? thanks! john --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 From swinston at global-gaming.com Sat Sep 18 01:30:11 2004 From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston) Date: Sat Sep 18 00:14:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Nforce + FC In-Reply-To: <200409180430.i8I4UmY30874@alamo.satlug.org> (from satlug-request@satlug.org on Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 23:30:48 -0500) References: <200409180430.i8I4UmY30874@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040918053011.GA17287@Linux.satx.rr.com> Nforce is provided by NVidia, it still follows their chipset. Therefore I'd expect to simply download the linux drivers for it after the install is complete and there ya go. -- Steven Winston Global Gaming Innovations, LLC I want to reach your mind -- where is it currently located? From me at jchampion.com Sat Sep 18 09:12:28 2004 From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sat Sep 18 07:56:49 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Nforce + FC References: <200409180430.i8I4UmY30874@alamo.satlug.org> <20040918053011.GA17287@Linux.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <005a01c49d81$295b0730$0200a8c0@blackhole1> true but the problem is that the last time i installed a version of linux that didn't support the drivers, it didn't support the nic. so i can't ftp over from that box. what i could do is maybe put in a second nic to access the web. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Winston" To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Nforce + FC > Nforce is provided by NVidia, it still follows their chipset. > Therefore I'd expect to simply download the linux drivers for it after > the install is complete and there ya go. > > -- > Steven Winston > Global Gaming Innovations, LLC > > I want to reach your mind -- where is it currently located? > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 9/11/2004 From chardon47 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 08:34:24 2004 From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Sat Sep 18 09:18:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Building a Wi-Fi Antenna Out of a Tin Can In-Reply-To: <005a01c49d81$295b0730$0200a8c0@blackhole1> Message-ID: <20040918143424.57563.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> Very interesting... http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Illegitimus non Carborundum" "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." From dubose at texas.net Sat Sep 18 14:57:35 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sat Sep 18 13:39:07 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office References: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <1095478864.7335.13.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <414C851F.AF14F76D@texas.net> Yea, a point-to-point low power link across the street using a VPN is probably more secure than you T1 to the ISP. Walt Matt wrote: > > did they say WHY? A wireless network can be secured using PPTP as a VPN > service. ;) > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 21:52, joseph speigle wrote: > > addendum: some of you do wireless connecdtions with these things -- .... they said no wireless shoting cross the street, they shot that one down (). > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:49:54PM -0500, joseph speigle wrote: > > > hi list, i > > > > > > i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? > > > > > > sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. > > > > > > no, english is not my native language tonight .. > > > > > > joe > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Satlug mailing list > > > Satlug@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > -- > > if you're christian, god bless; otherwise, good luck; and, if you dont believe in luck, start exercising more power to you! > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From dubose at texas.net Sat Sep 18 15:05:31 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sat Sep 18 13:47:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Building a Wi-Fi Antenna Out of a Tin Can References: <20040918143424.57563.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414C86FB.A48106EF@texas.net> Bill wrote: > > Very interesting... > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp > > Bill Hatfield K5KCR > > "Illegitimus non Carborundum" > > "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." > Bill, This is a better URL...http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2.html Its from a commercial design. You can get aluminum irrigation pipe to use for the tubing. These antennas can have up to 13 dBi gain. Of course a 4 bay panel arry can have 15 dBi gain and cost about $12 from the North Texas Microwave Group. Walt From joe.speigle at jklh.us Sat Sep 18 16:13:59 2004 From: joe.speigle at jklh.us (joseph speigle) Date: Sat Sep 18 15:32:25 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office In-Reply-To: <1095478768.7335.11.camel@zeus.matrix>; from firestorm-v1@satx.rr.com on Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:39:28PM -0500 References: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <1095478768.7335.11.camel@zeus.matrix> Message-ID: <20040918151359.B10167@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> "firestorm" and other satluggers, On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:39:28PM -0500, Matt wrote: > I'd suggest an SDSL bridge. ISDN isn't as good for Pptp applications. > This is all dependent on whether or not you can find a dry cable pair > between the two locations. Since you mention a street, that means SBC > will be getting involved and I don't think that is going to happen. I > do not recommend wireless because of its security issues however it > might need to happen as a last resort. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > I don't know why the wireless connection idea was shot down. I am aware that it would work. I am sure i could do a VPN over whatever internet connection they are after. My life would be easier if they would simply get a RR or DSL connection into the other office, and that would be it. As I'm not too knowledgeable about the other telephone issue however, i am reluctant to force them into doing ANYTHING until i understand what is involved. Complicated things with the phones, i mean. He (big boss) wants it to be close to what it is now, to outsiders, to make it appear as if she is in the original office, he (big boss) wants phone lines to be shared. I mean "share phone lines" like giving her separate office an extension off the main number. I think his problem is trying to share those darn phone lines. I think he wants a combined data-voice solution which unites transparently the two offices. Has anybody ever done something like that? This is SBC they want to get the T1 with (at present), will they need to manually string a wire across the street to do this? If stringing the wire can't be done, is sharing phone lines impossible by any other means? > > i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? > > > > sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. > > thanks for ALL your support in this and other issues, joe From snafu at urdirect.net Sat Sep 18 17:29:00 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Sat Sep 18 15:59:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors Message-ID: <414CA89C.1060406@urdirect.net> I'm using a 19" CRT monitor on my FC2 machine now, but I want to get a 19" flat panel monitor soon. I was looking at the Sceptre 19" X9G-Komodo II flat panel at Sam's today. It is only $468 which is cheaper than anywhere on the internet. I was just curious about linux with flat panel monitors. Is it just "plug & play", I mean do I just connect it to my machine and that's it? Is it the same kind of monitor cable that CRTs use? I don't know what I want to do with it yet - probably get TV going on my FC2 box before the new Spurs season starts next month. Maybe watch a DVD occasionally. I couldn't find any "professional" reviews of the Sceptre monitor on the web, just some "everyday people" reviews. Anyone have any experience with Sceptre? I never heard of them before today. I think I have an nVidia GeForce FX-5200 128Mb video card in my FC2 machine. PS: While at Sam's, I liked the Samsung flat panel monitor better than the Scepter, but it was more than double the price (may have been 20", not sure). From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Sep 18 17:23:24 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Sep 18 16:07:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <414CA89C.1060406@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <200409182123.i8ILNOwu001111@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > I'm using a 19" CRT monitor on my FC2 machine now, but I want to get a > 19" flat panel monitor soon. I was looking at the Sceptre 19" > X9G-Komodo II flat panel at Sam's today. It is only $468 which is > cheaper than anywhere on the internet. Found this on pricewatch today: Sceptre Technologies - Sceptre 19inch LCD MODEL X9g-KomodoIV - RETAIL Built-in Stereo speakers with amplifier Resolution: SXGA1280x1024 Pixel Pitch: 0.294mm Brightness: 300cd/m2 Contrast Ratio: 700:1 Part - N82E16824112146 Updated - 9/17, Price - $445 Shipping - $12 FedEx Newegg.com 800-390-1119 909-395-9046 La Puente , CA Plus you save the sales tax. -Borries From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sat Sep 18 18:05:43 2004 From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Sat Sep 18 16:49:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office In-Reply-To: <20040918151359.B10167@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: <000001c49dcb$a46b64c0$6401a8c0@hplaptop> We did something similar with a Time Warner (not roadrunner) T-1 were we shared office, fax and data over a single T-1 where it had to go around a permanent fire protection concrete wall. The special jury-rigging was w/o additional costs to us and the whole system was invisible to outsiders. Everything looked like it always did..a single fax and phone number to the public with our internal phone system handling the distribution between offices. This sounds similar to what you are needing. IIRC we got 768 IP speed with 7 phone and one fax line. If you want, I probably can did out the guy's name at TW we worked with. I gotta say they were very responsive and really helpful and made several recommendations that saved us money. After we got it installed, it worked like a charm (after we got rid of what passed for help from SWB's tech guys If you are interested, drop me a line off-line. Roy Rshrove at satx.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of joseph speigle Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:14 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] small business -- split office "firestorm" and other satluggers, On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:39:28PM -0500, Matt wrote: > I'd suggest an SDSL bridge. ISDN isn't as good for Pptp applications. > This is all dependent on whether or not you can find a dry cable pair > between the two locations. Since you mention a street, that means SBC > will be getting involved and I don't think that is going to happen. I > do not recommend wireless because of its security issues however it > might need to happen as a last resort. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > I don't know why the wireless connection idea was shot down. I am aware that it would work. I am sure i could do a VPN over whatever internet connection they are after. My life would be easier if they would simply get a RR or DSL connection into the other office, and that would be it. As I'm not too knowledgeable about the other telephone issue however, i am reluctant to force them into doing ANYTHING until i understand what is involved. Complicated things with the phones, i mean. He (big boss) wants it to be close to what it is now, to outsiders, to make it appear as if she is in the original office, he (big boss) wants phone lines to be shared. I mean "share phone lines" like giving her separate office an extension off the main number. I think his problem is trying to share those darn phone lines. I think he wants a combined data-voice solution which unites transparently the two offices. Has anybody ever done something like that? This is SBC they want to get the T1 with (at present), will they need to manually string a wire across the street to do this? If stringing the wire can't be done, is sharing phone lines impossible by any other means? > > i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? > > > > sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. > > thanks for ALL your support in this and other issues, joe _______________________________________________ Satlug mailing list Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From yatinhat at yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 16:37:27 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Sat Sep 18 17:21:19 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Building a Wi-Fi Antenna Out of a Tin Can In-Reply-To: <200409181700.i8IH0WY01318@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040918223727.38420.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Bill, Sounds like a good read to me. I've heard about using empty Pringles cans. I'm interested in reading and using the chapter about extending your range via solar energy panel. I have a solar panel in my second bathroom... Message: 3 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: [SATLUG] Building a Wi-Fi Antenna Out of a Tin Can To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Message-ID: <20040918143424.57563.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very interesting... http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp Bill Hatfield K5KCR "Illegitimus non Carborundum" "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Sep 18 19:39:03 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Sep 18 17:23:06 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <414CA89C.1060406@urdirect.net> References: <414CA89C.1060406@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f04091815391c4b2d01@mail.gmail.com> Donn, I took the LCD plunge during the last computer show. A deal I couldn't pass up. As for plug n play, it pretty much was, BUT you have to be careful about framebuffer mode. All of my kernels, I load with vga=791, 1280x1024 framebuffer. This new monitor wouldn't do it or any other of them, so I had to edit lilo to NOT use it. That was the only thing I had to do. I'm still running the older XFree86 4.3 so I had to add HorizSync and VertRefresh lines from its manual. Then I could get the higher resolution (without editing, X would only do 1024x768). Good luck in your purchase! On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:29:00 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > I'm using a 19" CRT monitor on my FC2 machine now, but I want to get a > 19" flat panel monitor soon. I was looking at the Sceptre 19" > X9G-Komodo II flat panel at Sam's today. It is only $468 which is > cheaper than anywhere on the internet. > I was just curious about linux with flat panel monitors. Is it just > "plug & play", I mean do I just connect it to my machine and that's it? > Is it the same kind of monitor cable that CRTs use? I don't know what I > want to do with it yet - probably get TV going on my FC2 box before the > new Spurs season starts next month. Maybe watch a DVD occasionally. > > I couldn't find any "professional" reviews of the Sceptre monitor on the > web, just some "everyday people" reviews. Anyone have any experience > with Sceptre? I never heard of them before today. > > I think I have an nVidia GeForce FX-5200 128Mb video card in my FC2 machine. > > PS: While at Sam's, I liked the Samsung flat panel monitor better than > the Scepter, but it was more than double the price (may have been 20", > not sure). > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From dubose at texas.net Sat Sep 18 18:51:11 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sat Sep 18 17:32:43 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Building a Wi-Fi Antenna Out of a Tin Can References: <20040918223727.38420.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414CBBDF.F0221B79@texas.net> Pringle cans are a loser...they have NO gain and don't radiate as well as the regular antenna on a AP. Even some of the tin can antennas aren't really good radiators. Walt Mary Yatti wrote: > > Bill, > > Sounds like a good read to me. I've heard about using > empty Pringles cans. I'm interested in reading and > using the chapter about extending your range via solar > energy panel. > > I have a solar panel in my second bathroom... > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:34:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bill > Subject: [SATLUG] Building a Wi-Fi Antenna Out of a > Tin Can > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: > <20040918143424.57563.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Very interesting... > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp > > Bill Hatfield K5KCR > > "Illegitimus non Carborundum" > > "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic..." > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From yatinhat at yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 16:50:43 2004 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Sat Sep 18 17:34:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Latin lawyer jargon joke In-Reply-To: <200409181700.i8IH0WY01318@alamo.satlug.org> Message-ID: <20040918225043.92310.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> I sold one of my kittens to an attorney a while back. I received a call shortly that while the kitten enjoyed playing outside, he always came back inside to take a dump. This totally distressed the attorney and thought the kitten should be able to stink outside his box and dump outside. One day the attorney discovered that the kitten was again coming inside to take a dump. He quickly scooped up the kitten to escort him outside. The attorney told me he was dismayed that the kitten didn't stop dumping while he was trying to removing him outside. The kitten went, "ploop, ploop, ploop" all over the attorneys new carpet. I admonished the attorney and advised him that the kitten might sue him. "For what?", said the attorney. I replied, "El Dumpus Interruptus". Last time I visited, the kitten was up on the roof. Bill Hatfield K5KCR > > "Illegitimus non Carborundum" > > "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were > Catholic..." From snafu at urdirect.net Sat Sep 18 19:08:29 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Sat Sep 18 17:39:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04091815391c4b2d01@mail.gmail.com> References: <414CA89C.1060406@urdirect.net> <79ec289f04091815391c4b2d01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <414CBFED.9080706@urdirect.net> Jeremy Mann wrote: >Donn, > >I took the LCD plunge during the last computer show. A deal I couldn't >pass up. As for plug n play, it pretty much was, BUT you have to be >careful about framebuffer mode. All of my kernels, I load with >vga=791, 1280x1024 framebuffer. This new monitor wouldn't do it or any >other of them, so I had to edit lilo to NOT use it. That was the only >thing I had to do. I'm still running the older XFree86 4.3 so I had to >add HorizSync and VertRefresh lines from its manual. Then I could get >the higher resolution (without editing, X would only do 1024x768). >Good luck in your purchase! > > > > With my current 19" CRT on my FC2 box, I'm using 1024x768, so I don't care about higher resolutions. I think I am using X.org on my FC2 machine... ? I mostly just want to get TV viewing set-up on my linux box before the Spurs season starts next month. Maybe watch an occasional DVD, besides those things - just normal home use. I'm not really into games, but I may buy Doom 3 for linux if they make a linux version. For TV viewing, I suppose all I need to do is get a TV card (hopefully most work with linux), and plug in my time-warner cable into it. I hope the TV viewing programs in linux are not too complicated to get set-up. I would want closed captions to work, since sometimes I may be doing something else, and watching TV with the sound off. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sat Sep 18 19:18:20 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sat Sep 18 18:02:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] small business -- split office In-Reply-To: <20040918151359.B10167@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> References: <20040917214954.A5102@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> <1095478768.7335.11.camel@zeus.matrix> <20040918151359.B10167@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f040918161868c8939e@mail.gmail.com> You will need to order another leased line from the new building to the old building. You will more than likely not be able to string a cable across the street, especially if it is a public street. If the current office has a PBX system then you can extended it over the lease line and put another shelf in the new office thus sharing the phone system. Talk with who ever supports your voice service about extending the current system. As for splitting a lease line yes you can pass voice and data over the same line. It just all depends on the equipment on the end of the line. An example is we split data and voice to a microwave system that we run using a couple of stand alone csu's at both ends to peel off a couple of channels to provide data for monitoring and the rest to are cellular system. T carriers (T-1 T-2 T-3) are just "pipes" to pass electricity over they don't care about what is being passed whether it be voice or data. It's the end equipment that matters. So you can say on a T-1 have 12 voice lines and 768Kb of Data going over the same copper wire. You just need to break it up into multiples of 64K ( 24 Channels to a T-1). Its all going to boil down to how much you want to spend and what quality of service and features you want. On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:13:59 -0500, joseph speigle wrote: > "firestorm" and other satluggers, > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:39:28PM -0500, Matt wrote: > > I'd suggest an SDSL bridge. ISDN isn't as good for Pptp applications. > > This is all dependent on whether or not you can find a dry cable pair > > between the two locations. Since you mention a street, that means SBC > > will be getting involved and I don't think that is going to happen. I > > do not recommend wireless because of its security issues however it > > might need to happen as a last resort. > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > I don't know why the wireless connection idea was shot down. I am aware that it would work. I am sure i could do a VPN over whatever internet connection they are after. My life would be easier if they would simply get a RR or DSL connection into the other office, and that would be it. > > As I'm not too knowledgeable about the other telephone issue however, i am reluctant to force them into doing ANYTHING until i understand what is involved. Complicated things with the phones, i mean. He (big boss) wants it to be close to what it is now, to outsiders, to make it appear as if she is in the original office, he (big boss) wants phone lines to be shared. I mean "share phone lines" like giving her separate office an extension off the main number. > > I think his problem is trying to share those darn phone lines. I think he wants a combined data-voice solution which unites transparently the two offices. Has anybody ever done something like that? This is SBC they want to get the T1 with (at present), will they need to manually string a wire across the street to do this? If stringing the wire can't be done, is sharing phone lines impossible by any other means? > > > > i have an office (or, there is an office that is asking me questions) going to split up into 2 offices. They are asking me about using isdn to split up like that. What is required to split this up between the 2 offices, which are separated by a street --- they are on opposite sides of a commercial street. This won't be possible, will it? > > > > > > sounds simple and dumb, i am in generel wondering if they (as i read in your posts) you can put data/internet on the same T1 ... but right now they have separate phone lines. Can this also, be done in isdn either. > > > > > thanks for ALL your support in this and other issues, > > > > joe > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From junkmailer at satx.rr.com Sun Sep 19 02:36:24 2004 From: junkmailer at satx.rr.com (Luis) Date: Sun Sep 19 01:11:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart 4-Port Router Message-ID: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> Walmart has a 4-port router. It appears to be from Network Everywhere. Any cheer or jeers? From mayonakaha at vashir.com Sun Sep 19 02:37:37 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (Mike Duncan) Date: Sun Sep 19 02:21:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart 4-Port Router In-Reply-To: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> References: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <414D3741.5020601@vashir.com> Network Everywhere is basically a rebranded/relabeled Linksys. So just go by your experience with those. I think they're not too bad but have a few bugs here and there. I have a WRT54G Wireless G router from them and it works nice, especially with the custom open source firmware loaded up. Mike D Luis wrote: > Walmart has a 4-port router. It appears to be from Network Everywhere. > > Any cheer or jeers? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > -- It's like an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a warm flour tortilla with sour cream and guacamole. From dubose at texas.net Sun Sep 19 08:18:04 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sun Sep 19 06:59:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: RE-branding References: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> <414D3741.5020601@vashir.com> Message-ID: <414D78FC.AACA3A01@texas.net> Does Dell make their own APs or are they re-branded? Walt Mike Duncan wrote: > > Network Everywhere is basically a rebranded/relabeled Linksys. So just > go by your experience with those. I think they're not too bad but have a > few bugs here and there. I have a WRT54G Wireless G router from them and > it works nice, especially with the custom open source firmware loaded up. > > Mike D > > Luis wrote: > > > Walmart has a 4-port router. It appears to be from Network Everywhere. > > > > Any cheer or jeers? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > > > > -- > It's like an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a warm flour tortilla with sour cream and guacamole. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chmims at gmail.com Sun Sep 19 12:09:04 2004 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Sun Sep 19 10:52:58 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <414CBFED.9080706@urdirect.net> References: <414CA89C.1060406@urdirect.net> <79ec289f04091815391c4b2d01@mail.gmail.com> <414CBFED.9080706@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <9e4edf5804091909092c2f54a@mail.gmail.com> I have been using LCD's for several years and have had little trouble. Had a minor trouble with a Compaq laptop, but could manually configure it during the install to work just fine. There is an 'optimum' resolution that your LCD runs at. It may not be the same as the 'maximum.' Unfortunately that info is hard to find unless you can get the manual. On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:08:29 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > Jeremy Mann wrote: > > >Donn, > > > >I took the LCD plunge during the last computer show. A deal I couldn't > >pass up. As for plug n play, it pretty much was, BUT you have to be > >careful about framebuffer mode. All of my kernels, I load with > >vga=791, 1280x1024 framebuffer. This new monitor wouldn't do it or any > >other of them, so I had to edit lilo to NOT use it. That was the only > >thing I had to do. I'm still running the older XFree86 4.3 so I had to > >add HorizSync and VertRefresh lines from its manual. Then I could get > >the higher resolution (without editing, X would only do 1024x768). > >Good luck in your purchase! > > > > > > > > > With my current 19" CRT on my FC2 box, I'm using 1024x768, so I don't > care about higher resolutions. I think I am using X.org on my FC2 > machine... ? I mostly just want to get TV viewing set-up on my linux > box before the Spurs season starts next month. Maybe watch an > occasional DVD, besides those things - just normal home use. I'm not > really into games, but I may buy Doom 3 for linux if they make a linux > version. > > For TV viewing, I suppose all I need to do is get a TV card (hopefully > most work with linux), and plug in my time-warner cable into it. I hope > the TV viewing programs in linux are not too complicated to get set-up. > I would want closed captions to work, since sometimes I may be doing > something else, and watching TV with the sound off. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From radvany at texas.net Sun Sep 19 13:41:09 2004 From: radvany at texas.net (Martin Radvany) Date: Sun Sep 19 12:25:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <414CA89C.1060406@urdirect.net> References: <414CA89C.1060406@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <1095615669.25656.8.camel@dream.radvany.home> Have been using a Samsung for about two years and a viewsonic for about 9 months. Both were recognized by FC1 and 2, and the Samsumg by RH 9.0 as well. Both machines have ATI Radeon VE cards. Marty On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 16:29, Donn D. wrote: > I'm using a 19" CRT monitor on my FC2 machine now, but I want to get a > 19" flat panel monitor soon. I was looking at the Sceptre 19" > X9G-Komodo II flat panel at Sam's today. It is only $468 which is > cheaper than anywhere on the internet. > I was just curious about linux with flat panel monitors. Is it just > "plug & play", I mean do I just connect it to my machine and that's it? > Is it the same kind of monitor cable that CRTs use? I don't know what I > want to do with it yet - probably get TV going on my FC2 box before the > new Spurs season starts next month. Maybe watch a DVD occasionally. > > I couldn't find any "professional" reviews of the Sceptre monitor on the > web, just some "everyday people" reviews. Anyone have any experience > with Sceptre? I never heard of them before today. > > I think I have an nVidia GeForce FX-5200 128Mb video card in my FC2 machine. > > PS: While at Sam's, I liked the Samsung flat panel monitor better than > the Scepter, but it was more than double the price (may have been 20", > not sure). > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Sep 19 15:32:34 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Sep 19 14:16:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <1095615669.25656.8.camel@dream.radvany.home> Message-ID: <200409191932.i8JJWYvj016752@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Have been using a Samsung for about two years and a viewsonic for about > 9 months. Both were recognized by FC1 and 2, and the Samsumg by RH 9.0 > as well. Both machines have ATI Radeon VE cards. > I have noticed one problem with LCD monitors (that is still unsolved) that is relevant under Linux: I have a Samsung SyncMaster 210T LCD monitor, and when I hook it up to my desktop system with an nVIDIA GeForce, fonts and graphics under OpenOffice and StarOffice are improperly scaled. All other applications are fine. However, the same Linux distro, OpenOffice, document and fonts look perfectly fine if I hook up the monitor to my laptop, which also has an nVIDIA GeForce video card. If I hook up my 21" ViewSonic CRT to the desktop it also looks perfectly fine. Other videocards I have tried on the desktop have the same problem with the LCD monitor. I also I find that the dynamic range of the LCD is not comparable to that of a CRT monitor. Anybody have an idea about the Star/OpenOffice scaling problem? -Borries From solinym at yahoo.com Sun Sep 19 16:27:19 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Sun Sep 19 17:11:38 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] booting problems on ISA machine Message-ID: <20040919222719.20186.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Hey I've got a strange thing. The BSDs seem to not like my SCSI CD-ROMs any more so I decided to try using them in a Linux box. I have a 486 and stocked it all SCSI - both HDD and CD-ROM. Unforunately it only has ISA and VLB slots, so the controller is an AHA-1542B, old but a standard at one time. I was going to install FC2 but it requires booting off of a CD-ROM, and I don't think I can do that on any of my SCSI controllers, much less the ancient AHA-1542B. So I went to debian and tried to boot off a floppy. Their stable-distro "rescue" floppy reports it uses a 2.2 kernel by the way - what's up with that? Anyway, it hangs right after the md driver probe, and comparing that to other boots suggests its the SCSI card probing that's hanging. 1) Do people have suggestions for distros other than Debian? I'm lazy with regard to this particular box and want something that's easy to get running and upgrade and won't require recompiling for days because I really don't care that much about performance. 2) Do I need to provide some kind of args at the boot: prompt for the aha-1542B? 3) I recall ISA DMA cards having a problem with memory over 16MB, which was solved in BSDs by using something called "bounce buffers". This machine has 64MB currently - is this a problem? Is it possible that this kind of work-around for old hardware has been removed from Linux? I doubt it since the boot disk is 2.2 but it doesn't hurt to ask. Any other comments? Thanks, T __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From snafu at urdirect.net Sun Sep 19 19:40:46 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Sun Sep 19 18:11:35 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <200409191932.i8JJWYvj016752@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200409191932.i8JJWYvj016752@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <414E18FE.5060708@urdirect.net> Borries Demeler wrote: >>Have been using a Samsung for about two years and a viewsonic for about >>9 months. Both were recognized by FC1 and 2, and the Samsumg by RH 9.0 >>as well. Both machines have ATI Radeon VE cards. >> >> >> >I have noticed one problem with LCD monitors (that is still unsolved) that >is relevant under Linux: I have a Samsung SyncMaster 210T LCD monitor, and >when I hook it up to my desktop system with an nVIDIA GeForce, fonts and >graphics under OpenOffice and StarOffice are improperly scaled. All other >applications are fine. > > > I'm not sure what causes this, but while I was at Sam's looking at these things (Sam's had windows xp going on all machines of course), the flat panels that were individually for sale had fuzzy text (under the icons) while the XP desktop was on display. This is in comparison with the "systems" that were right next to them (like HP & Compaq). The flat panels that were part of a Compaq or HP system had razor sharp text while the XP desktop was being displayed. This maybe due to the way Sam's has the individual monitors hooked up (they were all controllable with one mouse - ie one mouse did the same thing on 3 or 4 flat panel monitors). From soopurman at yahoo.com Sun Sep 19 18:22:41 2004 From: soopurman at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Sun Sep 19 19:06:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] booting problems on ISA machine In-Reply-To: <20040919222719.20186.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040920002241.18266.qmail@web13910.mail.yahoo.com> try these floppy images for RC1 of "The Debian Installer" (thats not just what it is, thats what its called) http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc1/images/floppy/ they will install Debian's "testing" distribution ("Sarge"), and work much, much better than the now outdated installer for Debian "stable" ("Woody"). Sarge is supposed to be declared stable "real soon now", and you can pretty much already rely on it for production use in all but the most critical deployments. good luck, - mike --- Travis wrote: > Hey I've got a strange thing. > > The BSDs seem to not like my SCSI CD-ROMs any more so > I decided to try using them in a Linux box. I have a > 486 and stocked it all SCSI - both HDD and CD-ROM. > Unforunately it only has ISA and VLB slots, so the > controller is an AHA-1542B, old but a standard at one > time. > > I was going to install FC2 but it requires booting off > of a CD-ROM, and I don't think I can do that on any of > my SCSI controllers, much less the ancient AHA-1542B. > So I went to debian and tried to boot off a floppy. > Their stable-distro "rescue" floppy reports it uses a > 2.2 kernel by the way - what's up with that? Anyway, > it hangs right after the md driver probe, and > comparing that to other boots suggests its the SCSI > card probing that's hanging. > > 1) Do people have suggestions for distros other than > Debian? I'm lazy with regard to this particular box > and want something that's easy to get running and > upgrade and won't require recompiling for days because > I really don't care that much about performance. > > 2) Do I need to provide some kind of args at the boot: > prompt for the aha-1542B? > > 3) I recall ISA DMA cards having a problem with memory > over 16MB, which was solved in BSDs by using something > called "bounce buffers". This machine has 64MB > currently - is this a problem? Is it possible that > this kind of work-around for old hardware has been > removed from Linux? I doubt it since the boot disk is > 2.2 but it doesn't hurt to ask. > > Any other comments? > > Thanks, > T > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From ckeagan at gmail.com Sun Sep 19 20:42:11 2004 From: ckeagan at gmail.com (Chris Eagan) Date: Sun Sep 19 19:26:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart 4-Port Router In-Reply-To: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> References: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <16c5ab4104091917424fb1e582@mail.gmail.com> I have one of those routers, and have been running it for about three months now. I haven't had any problems with it, seems to run just as stable as their older models, aside from the much smaller housing. I do notice that this router produces a lot of excess heat, so I try to keep mine isolated from other heat sources, and I don't block the vents. Other than that, it's all gravy. Chris On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:36:24 -0500, Luis wrote: > Walmart has a 4-port router. It appears to be from Network Everywhere. > > Any cheer or jeers? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Sep 19 22:11:39 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Sep 19 20:55:42 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: for HAMs and radio people Message-ID: <79ec289f04091919114ca08235@mail.gmail.com> I need somebody on 40 meter to tune into 72.38 kHz and see if they hear anything. Art Bell and Wiltley Strieber last night were talking about an unknow radio signal coming from that frequency. The FCC got involved and narrowed it down to Sedona Arizona. This is what it sounds like: http://64.202.98.134:80/strieber/signal.wma Yeah, I know, its a WMA link, but it loads and plays fine in MPlayer. -- Jeremy From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Sep 19 22:18:36 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Sep 19 21:02:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: HAMs and radio Message-ID: <79ec289f040919191865919207@mail.gmail.com> Whoops, my bad.... its 7238 kHz or 7.238 mHz -- Jeremy From spammer at satx.rr.com Sun Sep 19 22:51:56 2004 From: spammer at satx.rr.com (Nick Duffy) Date: Sun Sep 19 21:32:20 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart 4-Port Router References: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <000701c49ebc$cae10000$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> I have one,,, thumbs up here.. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:36 AM Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart 4-Port Router > Walmart has a 4-port router. It appears to be from Network Everywhere. > > Any cheer or jeers? > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From karl at oelschlaeger.ws Sun Sep 19 22:55:18 2004 From: karl at oelschlaeger.ws (Karl Oelschlaeger) Date: Sun Sep 19 21:39:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: for HAMs and radio people In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04091919114ca08235@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f04091919114ca08235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1095648918.5664.36.camel@edtosw-3257-01.telus.net> On Sun, 2004-09-19 at 21:11, Jeremy Mann wrote: > I need somebody on 40 meter to tune into 7238 kHz and see if they > hear anything. Art Bell and Wiltley Strieber last night were talking > about an unknow radio signal coming from that frequency. The FCC got > involved and narrowed it down to Sedona Arizona. This is what it > sounds like: > > http://64.202.98.134:80/strieber/signal.wma > > Yeah, I know, its a WMA link, but it loads and plays fine in MPlayer. > Dear Grandpa Storey, Saw this on the list. Listened to it, and thought you might find it interesting. Very odd. Then the idea hit me to see if cousin Glen might tune in that frequency and see what he makes of it. Cheers, Karl From dubose at texas.net Sun Sep 19 23:41:52 2004 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sun Sep 19 22:23:28 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: for HAMs and radio people References: <79ec289f04091919114ca08235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <414E5180.8CEBDEFC@texas.net> The signal is on 7.238 MHz. I'm not sure where Sedona is; but the signal is coming from west of I-17 and north of Prescott, AZ. It is 5 individual closed spaced carriers with no modulation such as might be seen in a MFSK signal with no modulation. This type of signal is consistant with un-filtered HF drivers for Magnet resonate devices...such as MRI devices. The signal is quite copiable around the world..which is not be thing if the leakage if even 30-40 dB down from a 50 Kw exciter. Walt Jeremy Mann wrote: > > I need somebody on 40 meter to tune into 72.38 kHz and see if they > hear anything. Art Bell and Wiltley Strieber last night were talking > about an unknow radio signal coming from that frequency. The FCC got > involved and narrowed it down to Sedona Arizona. This is what it > sounds like: > > http://64.202.98.134:80/strieber/signal.wma > > Yeah, I know, its a WMA link, but it loads and plays fine in MPlayer. > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From masterr at gmail.com Sun Sep 19 23:59:02 2004 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Sun Sep 19 22:43:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart 4-Port Router In-Reply-To: <000701c49ebc$cae10000$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> References: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> <000701c49ebc$cae10000$6501a8c0@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <14842c4104091920597136854c@mail.gmail.com> I have a Network Everywhere router too. Dunno if it's Walmart or not. Works great, or worked great till i replaced it with a wifi ap/router. On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:51:56 -0500, Nick Duffy wrote: > I have one,,, thumbs up here.. > Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:36 AM > Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart 4-Port Router > > > Walmart has a 4-port router. It appears to be from Network Everywhere. > > > > Any cheer or jeers? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Satlug mailing list > > Satlug@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jon/MasteR masterr@gmail.com i am a n00b From mayonakaha at vashir.com Sun Sep 19 23:08:30 2004 From: mayonakaha at vashir.com (Mike Duncan) Date: Sun Sep 19 22:52:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: RE-branding In-Reply-To: <414D78FC.AACA3A01@texas.net> References: <414D28E8.7080704@satx.rr.com> <414D3741.5020601@vashir.com> <414D78FC.AACA3A01@texas.net> Message-ID: <414E57BE.2000002@vashir.com> More than likely they're rebranded. I find no mention of Dell APs on the website but I'm sure they just take another manufacturers equipment wholesale and stick their name on it. Mike D Walt DuBose wrote: >Does Dell make their own APs or are they re-branded? > >Walt > >Mike Duncan wrote: > > >>Network Everywhere is basically a rebranded/relabeled Linksys. So just >>go by your experience with those. I think they're not too bad but have a >>few bugs here and there. I have a WRT54G Wireless G router from them and >>it works nice, especially with the custom open source firmware loaded up. >> >>Mike D >> >>Luis wrote: >> >> >> >>>Walmart has a 4-port router. It appears to be from Network Everywhere. >>> >>>Any cheer or jeers? >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Satlug mailing list >>>Satlug@satlug.org >>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>It's like an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a warm flour tortilla with sour cream and guacamole. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Satlug mailing list >>Satlug@satlug.org >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > > -- It's like an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a warm flour tortilla with sour cream and guacamole. From solinym at yahoo.com Sun Sep 19 23:01:00 2004 From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis) Date: Sun Sep 19 23:44:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <414E18FE.5060708@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <20040920050100.3083.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> >one mouse did the same thing on > 3 or 4 flat panel > monitors). If they're using normal analog VGA outputs going through a splitter, you're going to have artifacts. Even long cables or ones without magnetic chokes cause noticable ghosting problems. Also, they're probably clocked to the lowest common denominator, so they won't have as high a refresh rate as the screen alone might be able to handle. Higher clock rates will make the artifacts more noticable due to the increased effect of the parasitic capacitance (which forms a RC low-pass filter, I think, smearing things horizontally) and other issues. That's a different problem than the scaling of fonts, though. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From mdfilio at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 09:56:59 2004 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Mon Sep 20 08:41:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] flat panel monitors In-Reply-To: <20040920050100.3083.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <414E18FE.5060708@urdirect.net> <20040920050100.3083.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Borries Demeler: >I have noticed one problem with LCD monitors (that is still unsolved) that >is relevant under Linux: I have a Samsung SyncMaster 210T LCD monitor, and >when I hook it up to my desktop system with an nVIDIA GeForce, fonts and >graphics under OpenOffice and StarOffice are improperly scaled. All other >applications are fine. When I was first setting up X.org on my machine, I had this problem as well. I corrected it by adding DisplaySize within the Monitor section in xorg.conf. You can get the dimensions from your manual (note the parameters are should be in mm). From h_oudini at hotmail.com Mon Sep 20 14:38:07 2004 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Mon Sep 20 08:50:17 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gentoo Message-ID: Hey All, After some good-nature ribbing from a friend, I installed Gentoo this weekend, and when I say weekend I mean the WHOLE weekend (Friday morning thru Sunday evening)! I love emerge, but wife kept asking me, "what are you doing with the computer?" Fortunately I have a laptop she could use while I was installing Gentoo on our desktop. So far I have X11R6.8 and Kde 3.3, and I'll wait 'til next weekend to install Firefox and Thunderbird (IMHO these two programs rock!). I do have one question, I have two cdroms (one DVD, one burner), but only one is listed in /dev, so how do I get the other one detected? Thanks. Kase From mdfilio at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 10:24:01 2004 From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio) Date: Mon Sep 20 09:07:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm taking a wild guess here, but it's likely that your burner might be under a /dev/scsi/ tree. Are you sure it's not being detected? Have you done a 'dmesg | less' ? I like Gentoo, but it isn't forgiving, it's caused me to learn a ton about linux for that reason. On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:38:07 +0000, Kase Saylor wrote: > Hey All, > > After some good-nature ribbing from a friend, I installed Gentoo this > weekend, and when I say weekend I mean the WHOLE weekend (Friday morning > thru Sunday evening)! I love emerge, but wife kept asking me, "what are you > doing with the computer?" Fortunately I have a laptop she could use while I > was installing Gentoo on our desktop. So far I have X11R6.8 and Kde 3.3, and > I'll wait 'til next weekend to install Firefox and Thunderbird (IMHO these > two programs rock!). I do have one question, I have two cdroms (one DVD, one > burner), but only one is listed in /dev, so how do I get the other one > detected? Thanks. > > Kase From snafu at urdirect.net Mon Sep 20 10:52:32 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D) Date: Mon Sep 20 09:35:32 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] old Word Perfect doc Message-ID: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> I have a WP doc from around 1997 that I thought I could read with MS Word (here at work). But Word just displays garbage characters. So I decided to d/l & install OO.org here at work on my win98 machine, hoping it would read a WP doc. Doesn't look like it has a WP import filter though. I tried importing the doc using "Text" and a few others, but it just displays garbage. Any ideas how to read an old WP doc without WP ? Sorry about the winblows questions, but its what I have to use at work. Its FC2 at home. From cranesable at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 10:03:18 2004 From: cranesable at gmail.com (Sean Crandall) Date: Mon Sep 20 09:47:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436b9fd50409200803575480a2@mail.gmail.com> I have both a CD-RW and a CD-RW/DVD-ROM in my system. Both are detected by Gentoo, but it puts the symlinks under /dev/cdroms (i.e., /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 and /dev/cdroms/cdrom1). Note, I haven't tried loading IDE-SCSI to do any burning with the things, so if you tried that, they may be under a scsi tree, but if you're just trying to get read functionality to start with, try loading without IDE-SCSI and look under /dev/cdroms. Sean On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:38:07 +0000, Kase Saylor wrote: > Hey All, > > After some good-nature ribbing from a friend, I installed Gentoo this > weekend, and when I say weekend I mean the WHOLE weekend (Friday morning > thru Sunday evening)! I love emerge, but wife kept asking me, "what are you > doing with the computer?" Fortunately I have a laptop she could use while I > was installing Gentoo on our desktop. So far I have X11R6.8 and Kde 3.3, and > I'll wait 'til next weekend to install Firefox and Thunderbird (IMHO these > two programs rock!). I do have one question, I have two cdroms (one DVD, one > burner), but only one is listed in /dev, so how do I get the other one > detected? Thanks. > > Kase > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number 'e'. From cranesable at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 10:50:04 2004 From: cranesable at gmail.com (Sean Crandall) Date: Mon Sep 20 10:33:54 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] old Word Perfect doc In-Reply-To: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> References: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <436b9fd504092008506e17a0c1@mail.gmail.com> My copy of Word 2K has WordPerfect filters. You may need to go into your Installer program and add the filters if they weren't installed originally. I also seem to remember OO.org having WP filters, but that could have been old StarOffice 5.x (maybe it didn't get into OO.org). Sean On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:52:32 -0500, Donn D wrote: > I have a WP doc from around 1997 that I thought I could read with MS > Word (here at work). But Word just displays garbage characters. So I > decided to d/l & install OO.org here at work on my win98 machine, hoping > it would read a WP doc. Doesn't look like it has a WP import filter > though. I tried importing the doc using "Text" and a few others, but it > just displays garbage. > > Any ideas how to read an old WP doc without WP ? Sorry about the > winblows questions, but its what I have to use at work. Its FC2 at home. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number 'e'. From snafu at urdirect.net Mon Sep 20 12:05:41 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D) Date: Mon Sep 20 10:48:40 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] old Word Perfect doc In-Reply-To: <436b9fd504092008506e17a0c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> <436b9fd504092008506e17a0c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <414EFFD5.5060108@urdirect.net> Sean Crandall wrote: >My copy of Word 2K has WordPerfect filters. You may need to go into >your Installer program and add the filters if they weren't installed >originally. I also seem to remember OO.org having WP filters, but >that could have been old StarOffice 5.x (maybe it didn't get into >OO.org). > >Sean > > > Hmm, I didn't think of that - I am using Office 97 here at work. I'll have to take this doc to a buddy who has Office XP and convert it there. From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 13:37:01 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 20 12:21:09 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] old Word Perfect doc In-Reply-To: <414EFFD5.5060108@urdirect.net> References: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> <436b9fd504092008506e17a0c1@mail.gmail.com> <414EFFD5.5060108@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f040920103711f1274e@mail.gmail.com> Be sure to have a look at this site: http://libwpd.sourceforge.net/ It has all the converting programs needed and filters for OO.org. On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:05:41 -0500, Donn D wrote: > Sean Crandall wrote: > > >My copy of Word 2K has WordPerfect filters. You may need to go into > >your Installer program and add the filters if they weren't installed > >originally. I also seem to remember OO.org having WP filters, but > >that could have been old StarOffice 5.x (maybe it didn't get into > >OO.org). > > > >Sean > > > > > > > Hmm, I didn't think of that - I am using Office 97 here at work. I'll > have to take this doc to a buddy who has Office XP and convert it there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 20 14:01:25 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Mon Sep 20 12:44:24 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] old Word Perfect doc In-Reply-To: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> References: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <1095710484.3460.26.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> I have a Bochs image of Dos 6/Windows 3.1 on CD-ROM with configurations . I think I got each OS License legally for like $1.00 each or something. I've never tried printing, though. Hmmm... I wonder if Wordperfect 5.1 will install on wine? My wife, a Spanish graduate student, is doing a lot of papers for school and the macros that I created for her to do accents don't really do the trick since she has to use the ctrl+vowel keys instead of alt+vowel . Hit ctrl+b instead of ctrl-n accidentally and all of the sudden things are bold. Plus it's easier to find the alt keys. On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 07:52, Donn D wrote: > I have a WP doc from around 1997 that I thought I could read with MS > Word (here at work). But Word just displays garbage characters. So I > decided to d/l & install OO.org here at work on my win98 machine, hoping > it would read a WP doc. Doesn't look like it has a WP import filter > though. I tried importing the doc using "Text" and a few others, but it > just displays garbage. > > Any ideas how to read an old WP doc without WP ? Sorry about the > winblows questions, but its what I have to use at work. Its FC2 at home. > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug -- "I never Metacharacter I didn't like." -- Dougherty and Robbins, _Sed and Awk_ 2nd Ed (1997). From ramadoss at gbronline.com Mon Sep 20 14:06:49 2004 From: ramadoss at gbronline.com (MKR) Date: Mon Sep 20 12:50:05 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] old Word Perfect doc In-Reply-To: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20040920130514.03a6c3c0@mail.gbronline.com> It can be opened by any newer WP program and store it as MS Word Document. If you like, just e-mail me and I will send back the Word Doc. Ramadoss At 09:52 AM 09/20/04 -0500, you wrote: >I have a WP doc from around 1997 that I thought I could read with MS Word >(here at work). But Word just displays garbage characters. So I decided >to d/l & install OO.org here at work on my win98 machine, hoping it would >read a WP doc. Doesn't look like it has a WP import filter though. I >tried importing the doc using "Text" and a few others, but it just >displays garbage. > >Any ideas how to read an old WP doc without WP ? Sorry about the winblows >questions, but its what I have to use at work. Its FC2 at home. -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 09/17/04 From dguarneri at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 20 14:31:27 2004 From: dguarneri at satx.rr.com (N. David Guarneri) Date: Mon Sep 20 13:14:27 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] old Word Perfect doc In-Reply-To: <1095710484.3460.26.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> References: <414EEEB0.1090704@urdirect.net> <1095710484.3460.26.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> Message-ID: <1095712287.3462.28.camel@dargo.siriuscom.com> On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 13:01, N. David Guarneri wrote: > I have a Bochs image of Dos 6/Windows 3.1 on CD-ROM with configurations > . I think I got each OS License legally for like $1.00 each or > something. I've never tried printing, though. Hmmm... I wonder if > Wordperfect 5.1 will install on wine? My wife, a Spanish graduate Just tried xdosemu (though I don't have Wordperfect 5.1). It's really cool... that cursor blinks like crazy! From gwillden at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 17:37:51 2004 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Mon Sep 20 16:21:44 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: HAMs and radio In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040919191865919207@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f040919191865919207@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <345e55a50409201437b40fd24@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:18:36 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Whoops, my bad.... its 7238 kHz or 7.238 mHz > Better make that MHz (Mega-Hertz) not mHz (milli-Hertz) 9 orders of magnitude difference Regards, Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From hetzel at stic.net Mon Sep 20 18:42:24 2004 From: hetzel at stic.net (Dick Hetzel) Date: Mon Sep 20 17:24:15 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] For your amusement... Message-ID: <414F5CD0.4090903@stic.net> http://software.silicon.com/applications/0,39024653,39124122,00.htm From patl at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 20 19:17:33 2004 From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan) Date: Mon Sep 20 17:59:48 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <436b9fd50409200803575480a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <436b9fd50409200803575480a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <414F650D.2050605@satx.rr.com> Sean Crandall wrote: >I have both a CD-RW and a CD-RW/DVD-ROM in my system. Both are >detected by Gentoo, but it puts the symlinks under /dev/cdroms (i.e., >/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 and /dev/cdroms/cdrom1). Note, I haven't tried >loading IDE-SCSI to do any burning with the things, so if you tried >that, they may be under a scsi tree, but if you're just trying to get >read functionality to start with, try loading without IDE-SCSI and >look under /dev/cdroms. > >Sean > > These are symlinks to the actual devices: [18:14:01][zeus:~]$ls -l /dev/cdroms/ total 0 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 33 Dec 31 1969 cdrom0 -> ../ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 34 Dec 31 1969 cdrom1 -> ../scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd They are generated by Gentoo dynamically when you boot, so you can use the same devices whether you have booted with or without IDE-SCSI. Also, I manually created a /dev/dvd symlink to the one of these that I want mplayer and xine to use and so whether I boot with or without IDE-SCSI, those work as well. HTH, Patrick From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 19:22:15 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 20 18:06:34 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] For your amusement... In-Reply-To: <414F5CD0.4090903@stic.net> References: <414F5CD0.4090903@stic.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f040920162249bd2389@mail.gmail.com> A reboot every 30 days? HA! On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:42:24 -0500, Dick Hetzel wrote: > http://software.silicon.com/applications/0,39024653,39124122,00.htm > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From snafu at urdirect.net Mon Sep 20 19:38:40 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Mon Sep 20 18:09:22 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql help Message-ID: <414F6A00.2070907@urdirect.net> I installed mysql a couple months ago. I think it is installed ok (this is version 3.23 on FC2). When I want to start or stop the server, the ONLY way I can do it is by being in the directory where mysqld is and running: [root@localhost init.d]# /etc/init.d/mysqld start And as you can see, even though I am in the init.d directory, I still have to enter the whole path to start the server. Doesn't make sense to me. How can I start & stop the server from wherever I am? ie: how can I just type "mysqld start" and have it work? Obviously, I'm still a noob on the linux filesystem & bash commands. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 19:40:28 2004 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Sep 20 18:24:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql help In-Reply-To: <414F6A00.2070907@urdirect.net> References: <414F6A00.2070907@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <128bff2f04092016407ae3fc51@mail.gmail.com> The file /etc/init.d/mysqld is a script file that starts the daemon. You could add the directory /etc/init.d to your path that way you could just type mysqld start but I wouldn't recomend it as it might confuse other commands in that dierctory. Your best option is to have mysql start at boot or you can use the service command in redhat and type "service mysqld start". As for why you have to type the full path even though your in the directory you don't if you change into the init.d directory type "./mysqld"{dot slash executable} or type "source mysqld start". To get mysqld to start at boot do a man on chkconfig but I belive the syntax is "chkconfig --level 345 mysqld on" this will start mysqld when ever your computer boots into runlevel 345. Zeb On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:38:40 -0500, Donn D. wrote: > I installed mysql a couple months ago. I think it is installed ok (this > is version 3.23 on FC2). When I want to start or stop the server, the > ONLY way I can do it is by being in the directory where mysqld is and > running: > > [root@localhost init.d]# /etc/init.d/mysqld start > > And as you can see, even though I am in the init.d directory, I still > have to enter the whole path to start the server. Doesn't make sense to > me. How can I start & stop the server from wherever I am? ie: how can > I just type "mysqld start" and have it work? Obviously, I'm still a > noob on the linux filesystem & bash commands. > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From weaver at merold.net Tue Sep 21 12:41:59 2004 From: weaver at merold.net (Julian Peterson) Date: Mon Sep 20 18:26:23 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql help In-Reply-To: <414F6A00.2070907@urdirect.net> References: <414F6A00.2070907@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <200409211141.59451.weaver@merold.net> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:38 am NZST, Donn D. wrote: > I installed mysql a couple months ago. I think it is installed ok > (this is version 3.23 on FC2). When I want to start or stop the > server, the ONLY way I can do it is by being in the directory where > mysqld is and running: > > [root@localhost init.d]# /etc/init.d/mysqld start > > And as you can see, even though I am in the init.d directory, I still > have to enter the whole path to start the server. Doesn't make sense > to me. How can I start & stop the server from wherever I am? ie: > how can I just type "mysqld start" and have it work? Obviously, I'm > still a noob on the linux filesystem & bash commands. > You can type that from anywhere. You should be able to type just ./mysqld start from within that directory The reason why you need to specify a path is because /etc/init.d isn't in your $PATH environment variable (and it shouldn't be) Also Fedora provides a program called "service" for starting daemons, so you can type: service mysqld start from anywhere (assuming /sbin is in your path, if it's not you'll need to prefix it with /sbin/ ) You can edit your own path settings in your ~/.bash_profile file Julian. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! From soopurman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 17:59:08 2004 From: soopurman at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Mon Sep 20 18:40:55 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql help In-Reply-To: <414F6A00.2070907@urdirect.net> Message-ID: <20040920235908.67591.qmail@web13922.mail.yahoo.com> It would seem that you want the "service" command, as in: $ service mysqld start if that gives you an error to the effect of "no 'service' in $PATH" then try saving the following script to /usr/local/bin #!/bin/sh /etc/init.d/$* be sure to name it 'service', then "chmod a+x service" for a better understanding of whats going on here, basically /etc/init.d is not in your PATH shell variable (which is good, it shouldn't be). So your shell is looking everywhere it knows to look for a program named "mysqld" and not finding it. So you are having to specify the path to the program. If you are in /etc/init.d the shortcut for specifying this path is to type "./mysqld" That '.' at the begining tells the shell to start looking in this current directory. It would be the same as starting in /etc and typing "init.d/mysqld". Basically, all that 'service' script does is sit in a directory that is in your PATH and execute a program in another directory, along with any extra arguments you pass on the command line. hope this clears things up, - mike --- "Donn D." wrote: > I installed mysql a couple months ago. I think it is installed ok > (this > is version 3.23 on FC2). When I want to start or stop the server, > the > ONLY way I can do it is by being in the directory where mysqld is > and > running: > > [root@localhost init.d]# /etc/init.d/mysqld start > > And as you can see, even though I am in the init.d directory, I > still > have to enter the whole path to start the server. Doesn't make > sense to > me. How can I start & stop the server from wherever I am? ie: how > can > I just type "mysqld start" and have it work? Obviously, I'm still > a > noob on the linux filesystem & bash commands. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 21:08:52 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 20 19:52:46 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet2 and Access Grid Message-ID: <79ec289f0409201808415b6457@mail.gmail.com> Most of you probably do not know about Internet2 and its possibilities. I just thought I'd post this to get an interest and maybe one day schedule a SATLUG meeting at the HSC so you guys/gals can witness it first hand. Here at the HSC, we have Internet2 capabilities and we use it primarily for the Access Grid. The Access Grid is a video conferencing system which uses Multicast and the MBone tools vic and rat. This week we are participants in a worldwide conference that will be communicating with 89 Universities from over 40 countries. This is ALL done over Internet2. Here is a screenshot I took today during a test: http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/ag-testingday.png Other things you can do with Internet2 are DV uncompressed video transmissions. I've done this on several occasions and the picture is SUPERB, but you need 30 mbits/s per stream. There is also work on HD transmissions which need 120 mbits/s. We don't have the pipeline to try it out ;( Need I say all this is done using Linux? -- Jeremy From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 21:18:36 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 20 20:02:33 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wanna know what HAARP sounds like? Message-ID: <79ec289f040920181865f2283@mail.gmail.com> This past weekend Art Bell played an audio recording of the actual sounds emanating from Project HAARP in Alaska. In case you missed it or want to hear it again, check out this free audio clip: http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/rm/artbell.download.akamai.com/5022/clips/04/09/091904_what_is_haarp.rm -- Jeremy From mester at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 20 21:20:15 2004 From: mester at satx.rr.com (Mike Ester) Date: Mon Sep 20 20:03:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] For your amusement... In-Reply-To: <414F5CD0.4090903@stic.net> References: <414F5CD0.4090903@stic.net> Message-ID: <20040920202015.3d00fbc1.mester@satx.rr.com> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:42:24 -0500 Dick Hetzel wrote: > http://software.silicon.com/applications/0,39024653,39124122,00.htm > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug My dad is a retired air traffic controller. He firsted started out when all you had was a radar screen, radio, and a prayer. Back then, controllers referred to the job as the "You Bet Your Ass Game". You bet your ass that you wouldn't crash any planes together on your shift. ;-) He retired in 1978, so he didn't get the "opportunity" to cuss Microsoft. -- Mike Ester 830-822-2241 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to Microsoft Office: http://www.openoffice.org From snafu at urdirect.net Mon Sep 20 21:54:25 2004 From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.) Date: Mon Sep 20 20:25:02 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql help In-Reply-To: <20040920235908.67591.qmail@web13922.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040920235908.67591.qmail@web13922.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414F89D1.3030805@urdirect.net> Julian wrote: service mysqld start from anywhere (assuming /sbin is in your path, if it's not you'll need to prefix it with /sbin/ ) Thanks for that. I did have to use /sbin/ and it worked great. Mike wrote: > If you are in /etc/init.d the >shortcut for specifying this path is to type "./mysqld" That '.' at >the begining tells the shell to start looking in this current >directory. It would be the same as starting in /etc and typing >"init.d/mysqld". > > I tried that and it worked just as you said. Thanks. I need to pick up a book on this stuff. Next question. I am going to setup my large album collection on mysql (as a learning experience). After doing the Normalization thing, I have (on paper so far) tables for ALBUM, ARTIST, LABEL, and STORE, to get rid of the data redundancy. So it seems that artist-id, store-id and label-id (PKs in their respective tables) would be FKs in the ALBUM table. Sooooo.... does mysql 3.23 do that "out of the box". I have to use Innodb tables? If I have to use Innodb tables, do I have to "fix" the my.cnf file? (I tried adding 2 statements to my.cnf as instructed in a mysql book for using innodb tables, but then mysqld would no longer start - so I deleted the 2 lines that I added. sorry for these questions, after I get past the initial setup, I shouldn't need any more help. And I've got a mysql book coming in the mail from amazon.com.... From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Tue Sep 21 09:14:22 2004 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Tue Sep 21 07:58:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet2 and Access Grid In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0409201808415b6457@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0409201808415b6457@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <414FE2DE.5040502@cis.sac.accd.edu> Jeremy Mann wrote: >Most of you probably do not know about Internet2 and its >possibilities. I just thought I'd post this to get an interest and >maybe one day schedule a SATLUG meeting at the HSC so you guys/gals >can witness it first hand. > >Here at the HSC, we have Internet2 capabilities and we use it >primarily for the Access Grid. The Access Grid is a video conferencing >system which uses Multicast and the MBone tools vic and rat. This week >we are participants in a worldwide conference that will be >communicating with 89 Universities from over 40 countries. This is ALL >done over Internet2. Here is a screenshot I took today during a test: > >http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/ag-testingday.png > >Other things you can do with Internet2 are DV uncompressed video >transmissions. I've done this on several occasions and the picture is >SUPERB, but you need 30 mbits/s per stream. There is also work on HD >transmissions which need 120 mbits/s. We don't have the pipeline to >try it out ;( > >Need I say all this is done using Linux? > > > > I would love to see it. Can we do it on an upcoming Thursday night meeting? Steve From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Sep 21 10:29:26 2004 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Sep 21 09:12:59 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet2 and Access Grid In-Reply-To: <414FE2DE.5040502@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <200409211429.i8LETQKR005656@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > > I would love to see it. Can we do it on an upcoming Thursday night meeting? > Steve, you can probably not demo it directly, since your network is probably not set up for it (unless you run a local venue server for just internal traffic). I should mention that we have worked out a SEGP agreement (Sponsored Education Group Program) that allows all educational institutions of Texas to go into the Internet-2 with a single membership, which cuts costs drastically. You guys at SAC may want to look into this, of course, then there is still the Abilene connection fee cost, but maybe you could plug into our network - not sure if that would work though. -Borries From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Sep 21 13:04:09 2004 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Tue Sep 21 11:48:10 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hardware - LCD Mon Message-ID: <200409211204090190.002EE926@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Anyone used, or know someone using an Advueu monitor ( I've never heard of it) ? The 17" LCD Advueu Model 723 (w/speakers) looks tempting at $281 delivered, however, sometimes bargains aren't bargains. Customer reviews are positive. TIA From amateur_extra at hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 21:05:51 2004 From: amateur_extra at hotmail.com (J. Francis Wells) Date: Tue Sep 21 14:49:45 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux with Juno ISP? Message-ID: Has anyone had any experience using the Linux version of the Juno ISP software? Jim jim.amateur.extra@gmail.com amateur_extra@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From pfrostie at yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 14:11:57 2004 From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie) Date: Tue Sep 21 14:55:51 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux with Juno ISP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040921201157.89924.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> no, but someone from this list pointed me to access-4-free.com and they are pretty good. --- "J. Francis Wells" wrote: > Has anyone had any experience using the Linux version of the Juno ISP > software? > > Jim > > jim.amateur.extra@gmail.com > amateur_extra@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > ===== phrostie Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev http://www.freelists.org/webpage/snafuu ===== phrostie Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev http://www.freelists.org/webpage/snafuu From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Sep 21 16:16:21 2004 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz) Date: Tue Sep 21 15:00:21 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux with Juno ISP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200409211516210400.000A50CC@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Believe Juno's in the same category as Net Zero and EV!, both use their own custom browser (for the pop-up ads) and not Linux compatible (at least when I tried both a couple years back). If memory serves me correctly, Juno owns one of the above. There are other Linux friendly ISP's for $9.99 and less. HTH *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/21/04 at 8:05 PM J. Francis Wells wrote: >Has anyone had any experience using the Linux version of the Juno ISP >software? > >Jim > >jim.amateur.extra@gmail.com >amateur_extra@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From aedinius at hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 16:34:19 2004 From: aedinius at hotmail.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Tue Sep 21 15:18:13 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux with Juno ISP? Message-ID: I remember those days. I found the way Juno sets the user name and password for the PPP connection using some tool called RASSpy or something. I used that to avoid the browser and even use it under Linux and BSD. Didn't last long -- Mine and my friend's accounts were canceled shortly after. Neither of us could recreate an account, either. //Drew >From: "Louis Warnholtz" >Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >To: satlug@satlug.org >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux with Juno ISP? >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:16:21 -0700 > >Believe Juno's in the same category as Net Zero and EV!, both use their own >custom browser (for the pop-up ads) and not Linux compatible (at least when >I tried both a couple years back). If memory serves me correctly, Juno >owns one of the above. > >There are other Linux friendly ISP's for $9.99 and less. > >HTH > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 9/21/04 at 8:05 PM J. Francis Wells wrote: > > >Has anyone had any experience using the Linux version of the Juno ISP > >software? > > > >Jim > > > >jim.amateur.extra@gmail.com > >amateur_extra@hotmail.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ > >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > >_______________________________________________ >Satlug mailing list >Satlug@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Sep 21 16:36:25 2004 From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck) Date: Tue Sep 21 15:20:16 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux with Juno ISP? In-Reply-To: <200409211516210400.000A50CC@mail.worldlinkisp.com> References: <200409211516210400.000A50CC@mail.worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <1095798986.1813.64.camel@laptop> Juno and Netzero are the same company now-a-days. But each is still being run the same way as before they merged. Don't know how long that is going to continue -- but that's the way it is right now. Chuck On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 17:16, Louis Warnholtz wrote: > Believe Juno's in the same category as Net Zero and EV!, both use their own custom browser (for the pop-up ads) and not Linux compatible (at least when I tried both a couple years back). If memory serves me correctly, Juno owns one of the above. > > There are other Linux friendly ISP's for $9.99 and less. > > HTH > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 9/21/04 at 8:05 PM J. Francis Wells wrote: > > >Has anyone had any experience using the Linux version of the Juno ISP > >software? > > > >Jim > > > >jim.amateur.extra@gmail.com > >amateur_extra@hotmail.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? > >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Satlug mailing list > >Satlug@satlug.org > >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 16:47:35 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 21 15:31:26 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] Internet2 and Access Grid In-Reply-To: <200409211429.i8LETQKR005656@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <414FE2DE.5040502@cis.sac.accd.edu> <200409211429.i8LETQKR005656@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <79ec289f040921134758ac10c4@mail.gmail.com> Bo, it could be possible by using our Multicast to Unicast bridge. Steve, you would have to download the MBone tools, vic and rat. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:29:26 -0500 (CDT), Borries Demeler wrote: > > > > > I would love to see it. Can we do it on an upcoming Thursday night meeting? > > > > Steve, you can probably not demo it directly, since your network is probably not > set up for it (unless you run a local venue server for just internal traffic). > > I should mention that we have worked out a SEGP agreement (Sponsored Education Group > Program) that allows all educational institutions of Texas to go into the Internet-2 > with a single membership, which cuts costs drastically. You guys at SAC may want > to look into this, of course, then there is still the Abilene connection fee cost, > but maybe you could plug into our network - not sure if that would work though. > > -Borries > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > -- Jeremy From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 19:02:07 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 21 17:46:08 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More pics from today's AG conference Message-ID: <79ec289f040921160236fd5dff@mail.gmail.com> I took this screenshot during today's AG conference. Apologies for the WIDE picture, but it shows the complete desktop over 3 screens: http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/virtcon-tuesday.png Cool huh? -- Jeremy From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 21:10:13 2004 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Sep 21 19:54:12 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More pics from today's AG conference In-Reply-To: <79ec289f040921160236fd5dff@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f040921160236fd5dff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de84704092118105f918527@mail.gmail.com> HOLY CRAP!!! That is schweet! OT: how did you get your desktop to go across three screens? (what does Q3A look like?) FIRESTORM_v1 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:02:07 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > I took this screenshot during today's AG conference. Apologies for the > WIDE picture, but it shows the complete desktop over 3 screens: > > http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/virtcon-tuesday.png > > Cool huh? > > -- > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Satlug mailing list > Satlug@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 21:16:50 2004 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 21 20:00:39 2004 Subject: [SATLUG] More pics from today's AG conference In-Reply-To: <869de84704092118105f918527@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f040921160236fd5dff@mail.gmail.com> <869de84704092118105f918527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f040921181631d52b7e@mail.gmail.com> That's Xinerama consisting of my monitor and 2 going to LCD projectors. Xinerama just extends the desktop across all displays. As for Q3A, this video card isn't meant for games, just the displays. The videocard is a Matrox G200 quad output. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:10:13 -0500, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > HOLY CRAP!!! > > That is schweet! > OT: how did you get your desktop to go across three screens? (what > does Q3A look like?) > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:02:07 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > I took this screenshot during today's AG conference. Apologies for the > > WIDE picture, but it shows the complete desktop over 3 screens: > > > > http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/v