From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 02:47:39 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Dec 1 02:47:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Enterprise Storage On a Shoestring Message-ID: Table of Contents 1) Enterprise Storage On a Shoestring, Pt. I 2) HPC =========================================== 1) Enterprise Storage On a Shoestring, Pt. I StorageMojo post entitled "Enterprise Storage On a Shoestring, Pt. I": <> Download and read the PDF at: "FAB: enterprise storage systems on a shoestring (pdf)" <> "Google has *almost* created enterprise-class storage from commodities. Microsoft has Boxwood. Amazon has, but they aren't telling. Now HP has people saying "we can build enterprise class storage from commodity components." And they've done it. They said it, and a lot more, in this paper, "FAB: enterprise storage systems on a shoestring (pdf)", by Svend Fr?lund, Arif Merchant, Yasushi Saito, Susan Spence and Alistair Veitch." This approach should scale well both vertically and horizontally. 2) HPC On 11/28/06, Robert Pearson wrote: > On 11/28/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > When I went to SC'06 I saw one vendor (Microway) who was selling a > Lustre rack based on SATA drives with a switched infiniband interconnect. > I believe it was a 8 TB unit, using Lustre as the parallel file system. > They were maxing out the infiniband connection during reads and writes. Microway reports some impressive bandwidth numbers at: <> using--- Qlogic InfiniPath HTX Adapter Features and Specifications: * World's best cluster interconnect performance <> o Lowest MPI latency (1.29?s with HTX, 1.67 for PCI Express) o 88 byte n? message size (streaming) o 1884 MB/s bi-directional peak bandwidth (streaming) o TCP/IP bandwidth of 583 MB/s > Think of Lustre as software RAID for networked drives. I talked to the > Lustre folks and they told me they are working on a RAID-5 like redundancy > layer. Right now what we have is just a little better than RAID-0, i.e., > it has all the speedup, the bundling of disks into a single storage unit, but > then it also has a one-up on software RAID-0: If one drive fails only the > part that is stored on this drive is inaccessible, which in the case of > a smaller file may be the entire file. In the case of software or hardware > RAID-0, if one drive fails, the entire system is hosed. Here, you can continue > to run, although without access of the data stored on the bad drive, ditto > for one of the nodes going down. The trend for HPC may be away from RAID. The rebuild time kills you. My guess is they will go to the "shelf" approach and write to multiple locations for redundancy. The process to do this seems to still be undecided. > In the future, you will be able to simply plug in a new drive and the > system rebuilds automatically. Lustre is open source and has commercial > support. I expect "rebuilding" to become extinct. It takes too long. If you have n+1 locations (minimum of 2) and you lose one because you lose a drive, the Storage system will automatically create a new copy at a new location. Disks are cheap. From kell at spoonix.com Fri Dec 1 03:16:05 2006 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Fri Dec 1 03:16:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: San Antonio Open Source Research] In-Reply-To: <456F3C51.3010302@gmail.com> References: <45631C11.8010805@gmail.com> <77be04730611210749x74b51459v415602866c5600aa@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730611290655s27958e8fva43ed966874494e1@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730611300840k6bb1bd01ne5b8f560a63fb4c5@mail.gmail.com> <456F3C51.3010302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061201091605.GA16408@spoonix.com> On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 02:17:21PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Justizin wrote: > > I hate working for people, and I am not in San Antonio, I am just a > > ten-plus year member of SATLUG. I'd rather talk to you guys than > > SVLUG, BALUG, or any of the other various groups that somehow are > > better located but less active. > > Really? I thought SATLUG was formed in 1998. Its hard to be a > "ten-plus year member" of an organization that is 8-9 years old. The articles of incorp weren't filed until then, but there was a SATLUG for at least a year prior to that. Maybe 2, but I'm fuzzy on the dates. First meeting, IIRC, was at Hill's and Dale's and adjourned to the Pizza Hut down the road when folks started getting peckish. -- K. Spoon From kell at spoonix.com Fri Dec 1 03:54:00 2006 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Fri Dec 1 03:54:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: <0283E602-B64A-4A3F-8F50-3B2897C324A3@bleepsoft.com> References: <0283E602-B64A-4A3F-8F50-3B2897C324A3@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <20061201095359.GA16528@spoonix.com> On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 04:12:22PM -0600, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > I showed you mine, now show me yours. Please tell me you all have > some WTFs, else I've have to go try to drown myself in a pint of > Guinness :) That's always a good idea besides the point. But here goes. This is one that was entitled: "Metric Time". Comments are reproduced in their entirety and as close to verbatim as I can recall. $start_time = time(); [... do some highly reckless stuff here ...] $end_time = time(); $elapsed_time = $end_time - $start_time; #caculate minutes $minutes = $elapsed_time / 100; if( $minutes > 60 ) { $minutes -= 40; } Of course.... it was in production. My only comment upon discovery was "That's the sort of math skills you don't see too often outside of NASA's Mars exploration labs." ;) -- K. Spoon From mkr777 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 06:31:53 2006 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Fri Dec 1 06:31:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PDF to M/S Word Conversion In-Reply-To: <456F7CB3.3090403@cox-internet.com> References: <455DD398.3050303@gmail.com> <456F7CB3.3090403@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: I went and looked up some reviews of the two programs and it appears that ABBYY may be a little bit better in that it handles formatting better. Only by using the trial version personally one can determine which will be a better fit for the kind of work one has on hand. By the way, I have not used either of them. However, I was impressed by the ABBYY's Finereader OCR. My 0.02. mkr On 11/30/06, Dennis Myhand wrote: > > M K Ramadoss wrote: > > You should look into ABBYY Transformer program which converts pdf files > to > > word and several other formats. You may be able to download a try and > buy > > trial version and try the program to see if it meets the needs. The > program > > is inexpensive; one time cost of $99.00. > > > > Keep all of us posted of the progress in the matter. > > > > mkr > > > > On 11/17/06, Samuel Leon wrote: > >> > >> Looking for some info here. My girlfriend has a job helping her > college > >> professor on the side. I don't have all the details but from what I > >> gather her professor is trying to get a report of his published but the > >> publisher wants the report in ms word format and it is currently in pdf > >> format. > >> > >> There are several 100+ page reports that my girlfriend is having to > >> manually copy and paste from Adobe into Word. Problem is that when > >> pasted into Word the format comes out all screwy and some letters and > >> words appear as symbols. So to be accurate she is pasting 1 paragraph > >> at a time and then going back and proof reading it to make sure the > >> formating is right and that all the words are there. Very time > >> consuming as you can imagine. > >> > >> I know there has to be a program out there can properly convert all > >> this, so whats it called??? :-D > >> > >> > >> > >> Sam > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > PDF2Word converter $39.95 > > http://www.verypdf.com/pdf2word/index.html > > -- > Three o'clock in the afternoon is always just a little too late or a > little too early for anything you want to do. -- Jean-Paul Sartre > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Dec 1 06:39:21 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Dec 1 06:39:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PDF to M/S Word Conversion In-Reply-To: References: <455DD398.3050303@gmail.com> <456F7CB3.3090403@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <45702279.4050804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> M K Ramadoss wrote: It's funny how the mind works, when we get older... I've seen the name "M K Ramadoss" around here a while.. and all the time thought "man, that name looks familiar"... This morning it hit me. I knew that name, when I first got into BBS's (shortly after I got into computers, back in the 8088 and 4.77MHz XT days) somewhere in the mid 80's. Good to see a familiar face still hanging around town. -- Regards, -Geoff (Jeff) (ex-sysop Electronic Avenue BBS) From robertc3 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 1 07:31:29 2006 From: robertc3 at hotmail.com (robert) Date: Fri Dec 1 07:31:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PDF to M/S Word Conversion References: <455DD398.3050303@gmail.com><456F7CB3.3090403@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: "M K Ramadoss" wrote: >I went and looked up some reviews of the two programs and it appears that > ABBYY may be a little bit better in that it handles formatting better. > Only > by using the trial version personally one can determine which will be a > better fit for the kind of work one has on hand. By the way, I have not > used > either of them. However, I was impressed by the ABBYY's Finereader OCR. My > 0.02. > > mkr We use ABBYY Finereader OCR here at work. It has very few problems recognizing scanned text (or PDF's). It even recognizes foreign languages. I recommend it for all of your OCR needs. Robert From leon36 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 08:59:51 2006 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:00:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PDF to M/S Word Conversion In-Reply-To: References: <455DD398.3050303@gmail.com><456F7CB3.3090403@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <45704367.9000404@gmail.com> robert wrote: > "M K Ramadoss" wrote: >> I went and looked up some reviews of the two programs and it appears >> that >> ABBYY may be a little bit better in that it handles formatting >> better. Only >> by using the trial version personally one can determine which will be a >> better fit for the kind of work one has on hand. By the way, I have >> not used >> either of them. However, I was impressed by the ABBYY's Finereader >> OCR. My >> 0.02. >> >> mkr > > We use ABBYY Finereader OCR here at work. It has very few problems > recognizing scanned text (or PDF's). It even recognizes foreign > languages. I recommend it for all of your OCR needs. > > Robert > Yall are great! I will look into those programs! Sam From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 09:08:18 2006 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:08:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] C++/Direct Show Dev Needed....ASAP In-Reply-To: <77be04730611300838m60e8bb0bx1dddf1cd3e8c658a@mail.gmail.com> References: <456EF5A5.1000904@nvision2020.com> <77be04730611300838m60e8bb0bx1dddf1cd3e8c658a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <345e55a50612010708m3fd37b4ay5c2d85ca5b836b45@mail.gmail.com> It does not seem much related to Linux. On 11/30/06, Justizin wrote: > I'm of the distinct opinion that this is offensively off-topic. ;) > > On 11/30/06, Dean McCall wrote: > > C++ Direct Show Developers > > > > Must posses 5 years or more Direct Show experience with an Open GL > > background, Video background is a plus but not required Salary $45000 > > to $150,000 US. Must we able to work in USA or be able to be Sponsored. > > Looking for someone in the San Marcos area but willing to take > > telecommuters on a case by case basis. This is a full time position. > > > > If interested please respond of list... > > > > Thanks > > Dean > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect > ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter > http://www.siggraph.org/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Fri Dec 1 09:21:05 2006 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:21:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sorry for the bad post! In-Reply-To: <345e55a50612010708m3fd37b4ay5c2d85ca5b836b45@mail.gmail.com> References: <456EF5A5.1000904@nvision2020.com> <77be04730611300838m60e8bb0bx1dddf1cd3e8c658a@mail.gmail.com> <345e55a50612010708m3fd37b4ay5c2d85ca5b836b45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45704861.6030400@nvision2020.com> Sorry when I post jobs I push them to a couple lists/groups...when I am super busy like when this one was passed to me I just forwarded on thought without really using the whole brain. My apologizes for a bad post! In repentance I will forward on an invite I got to what seems like a great up coming festival. Since we went off on a game binge the other day I figure it's probably more appropriate...compliments of my friends at Make;) 2006 Blip Festival http://www.blipfestival.org/ About Blip Festival 2006 *THE TANK* and *8BITPEOPLES* are pleased to present the Blip Festival, a four-day celebration of over 30 international artists exploring the untapped potential of low-bit videogame consoles and home computers used as creative tools. Familiar devices are pushed in new directions with startling results ? Nintendo Entertainment Systems and Game Boys roaring with futuristic floor-stomping rhythms and fist-waving melody, art-damaged Sega hardware generating fluctuating and abstracted video patterns ? and that's only the beginning. An exploration of the chiptune idiom and its close relatives, the Blip Festival is the biggest and most comprehensive event in the history of the form, and will include daily workshops, art installations, and nightly music performances boasting an international roster larger and more far-reaching than any previous event of its kind. Small sounds at large scales pushed to the limit at high volumes ? the Blip Festival is an unprecedented event that is not to be missed. Thanks Dean Greg Willden wrote: > It does not seem much related to Linux. > > > On 11/30/06, Justizin wrote: >> I'm of the distinct opinion that this is offensively off-topic. ;) >> >> On 11/30/06, Dean McCall wrote: >> > C++ Direct Show Developers >> > >> > Must posses 5 years or more Direct Show experience with an Open GL >> > background, Video background is a plus but not required Salary $45000 >> > to $150,000 US. Must we able to work in USA or be able to be >> Sponsored. >> > Looking for someone in the San Marcos area but willing to take >> > telecommuters on a case by case basis. This is a full time position. >> > >> > If interested please respond of list... >> > >> > Thanks >> > Dean >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> -- >> Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect >> ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter >> http://www.siggraph.org/ >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > From justizin at siggraph.org Fri Dec 1 09:21:17 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:21:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/06, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > John Pappas wrote: > > > >> Is LDAP over SSL a solution to handle the transport security problem? > > The problem is not transport security, it's the size of the trust network. > > I believe that is one option. Another is SASL -- or a combination. > > > > -- Bruce > > I've done LDAP over a tls certificate based system. it works well enough > for pam_ldap and nss_ldap. I use a host based certificate, so each host > has it's own cert for establishing the TLS stuff. I looked into ldap + > kerberos, but it was too much of a PITA for me and my lonesome. > I can see how properly encrypted LDAP communications are rather secure, but consider that I will more or less need to hand out access to a database of a half million plus people to innumerate application developers at all levels of an international organization. Right now, Plone, which is going to be our core, encrypts passwords in such a way that I can reset them, but not read them. If you lose your password, much like with Yahoo or any other online service, you have to have a confirmation e-mail sent. The ACM has very stringent policies on privacy, security, etc.. We are also a huge community, so I'm trying to serve both. I am going to provide Chapters, SIGs, etc.. with a ton of tools to build web presences using Plone, but some of them will want to use Rails or PHP or CFM or whatever, and that's fine. I want them to be able to use a simple, accessible means of determining if a given id is a non-paying "web account", an ACM Member, a SIG Member, and/or a member of one or more Chapters. -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From kell at spoonix.com Fri Dec 1 09:40:26 2006 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:40:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061201154025.GA19102@spoonix.com> On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 09:21:17AM -0600, Justizin wrote: > I can see how properly encrypted LDAP communications are rather > secure, but consider that I will more or less need to hand out access > to a database of a half million plus people to innumerate application > developers at all levels of an international organization. Right now, > Plone, which is going to be our core, encrypts passwords in such a way > that I can reset them, but not read them. If you lose your password, > much like with Yahoo or any other online service, you have to have a > confirmation e-mail sent. How does an md5 hash not satisfy this requirement? You don't have to store passwords in LDAP in the clear... md5 and crypt are supported out of the box. If the concern is untrusted applications recording/intercepting the passwords as the user types them in, then krb5 is probably your only hope. -- K. Spoon From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Fri Dec 1 09:43:35 2006 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:45:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: <20061201095359.GA16528@spoonix.com> Message-ID: My contribution today is in OS390 assembler...but I will translate for those of you who do not speak that language. I uncovered this one while debugging Y2k changes and kept it as...well...a WTF. Now keep in mind this one did not bite us until Dec 31, 2000. ******************************************************************** * WE ARE ADDING ONE TO THE CICS MONTH AND COMPARING THIS TO THE * * SETTLE MONTH TO DETERMINE IF TRAN SHOULD USE THIS YEAR OR PREV * * YEAR FOR YEAR TO BE PUT ON LOG RECORD * ******************************************************************** MVXTOE28 EQU * REASON: YEAR END PROCESSING MVC WORKFLD1,=C'0000000000000000' MVC WORKFLD1+14(2),CICSDTMM PACK WORKFLD1,WORKFLD1 OI WORKFLD1+15,X'0F' AP WORKFLD1,=P'1' UNPK CICSDTMM,WORKFLD1+14(2) OI CICSDTMM+1,X'F0' CLC EMASMON,CICSDTMM BH MVXTOE29 B MVXTOE30 MVXTOE29 EQU * REASON: USE PREV YEAR EXEC CICS ASKTIME ABSTIME(CICSTIME) EXEC CICS FORMATTIME ABSTIME(CICSTIME) MMDDYY(CICSDATE) MVC EMASYR,CICSDTYY CLC EMASYR,=C'00' IS IT 2000 TRAN ? BE MVXTOE28 (yep, you read that right, as Dec 2000 rolls to Jan 2001, we will go into a hard loop on trascations that cross over and will, and did, bring down the CICS region) ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Fri Dec 1 09:54:15 2006 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:54:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun's Project Black Box Message-ID: <45705027.6080901@nvision2020.com> Has anyone else seen Sun's project black box project? Quite an interesting idea on modular data centers design...good fodder for a Friday... A Novel Datacenter Concept Project Blackbox packages compute, storage, and network infrastructure capabilities into scalable, modular units outfitted with state-of-the-art cooling, monitoring, and power distribution systems. Customers will be able to order a variety of standard and custom configurations of systems, storage, networking, and software. Housed in a standard 20-foot shipping container for maximum flexibility, Project Blackbox will be easily transported using common shipping methods. Simple hookups for water, AC power, and networking will enable customers to quickly deploy Project Blackbox upon delivery. Inside Project Blackbox The Project Blackbox prototype is a computing powerhouse capable of hosting a configuration that would place it among the top 200 fastest supercomputers globally. The current prototype could support the following capacities: * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 Sun Fire T1000 servers with the CoolThreads technology with 2000 cores and 8000 simultaneous threads. * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 x64-based servers with 1000 cores. * A single Project Blackbox could provide as much as 1.5 petabytes of disk storage or 2 petabytes of energy-efficient tape storage. * A single Project Blackbox could provide 7 terabytes of memory. * A single Project Blackbox could handle up to 10,000 simultaneous desktop users. * A single Project Blackbox currently has sufficient power and cooling to support 200 kilowatts of rackmounted equipment. https://photos.sun.com/page/1182 Dean From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 09:52:00 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:54:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sorry for the bad post! In-Reply-To: <45704861.6030400@nvision2020.com> References: <456EF5A5.1000904@nvision2020.com> <77be04730611300838m60e8bb0bx1dddf1cd3e8c658a@mail.gmail.com> <345e55a50612010708m3fd37b4ay5c2d85ca5b836b45@mail.gmail.com> <45704861.6030400@nvision2020.com> Message-ID: <45704FA0.2090204@gmail.com> Dean McCall wrote: > > 2006 Blip Festival > http://www.blipfestival.org/ OK, this feeds directly into the Arts discussion we had yesterday, and I gotta say nothing this cool/hip would ever happen anywhere near San Antonio. We do have SXSW in Austin, but this would be a seriously cool event to see. ~Nate From justizin at siggraph.org Fri Dec 1 09:55:34 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:55:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <20061201154025.GA19102@spoonix.com> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> <20061201154025.GA19102@spoonix.com> Message-ID: <77be04730612010755l4680c9acl2b866124ef43cca4@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, K. Spoon wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 09:21:17AM -0600, Justizin wrote: > > I can see how properly encrypted LDAP communications are rather > > secure, but consider that I will more or less need to hand out access > > to a database of a half million plus people to innumerate application > > developers at all levels of an international organization. Right now, > > Plone, which is going to be our core, encrypts passwords in such a way > > that I can reset them, but not read them. If you lose your password, > > much like with Yahoo or any other online service, you have to have a > > confirmation e-mail sent. > > How does an md5 hash not satisfy this requirement? You don't have to > store passwords in LDAP in the clear... md5 and crypt are supported out > of the box. Well, this means I have to hand out a private key to a thousand application developers, right? :/ > If the concern is untrusted applications recording/intercepting the passwords > as the user types them in, then krb5 is probably your only hope. > Well, that is a concern, but not a huge one - we are more concerned about people not writing secure code or making mistakes than being malicious. Also, I don't think I can get krb all the way to the browser. :/ -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 09:58:05 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Dec 1 10:00:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun's Project Black Box In-Reply-To: <45705027.6080901@nvision2020.com> References: <45705027.6080901@nvision2020.com> Message-ID: <4570510D.40205@gmail.com> Dean McCall wrote: > > * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 Sun Fire T1000 > servers with the CoolThreads technology > with 2000 cores > and 8000 simultaneous threads. > * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 x64-based servers > with 1000 cores. > * A single Project Blackbox could provide as much as 1.5 petabytes > of disk storage or 2 petabytes of energy-efficient tape storage. > * A single Project Blackbox could provide 7 terabytes of memory. > * A single Project Blackbox could handle up to 10,000 simultaneous > desktop users. > * A single Project Blackbox currently has sufficient power and > cooling to support 200 kilowatts of rackmounted equipment. Wow, you could have a CounterStrike:Source server with 10000+ players on the same map! Kewl. ~Nate From mkr777 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 10:01:52 2006 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Fri Dec 1 10:01:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PDF to M/S Word Conversion In-Reply-To: <45702279.4050804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <455DD398.3050303@gmail.com> <456F7CB3.3090403@cox-internet.com> <45702279.4050804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: Yes, Jeff, I am the same person. Glad you recognized me, perhaps due to my rather uncommon name in this part of the world! I grew up with computer revolution and my first PC was a 8088 & 4.77 MHZ XT. Bought my first PC, Osborne Transportable when Osborne visited San Antonio in 1980 and I still have the computer autographed by him. Hope you are doing well and send me a e-mail off the list if I can be of any help. M K Ramadoss San Antonio TX On 12/1/06, Geoff wrote: > > M K Ramadoss wrote: > > It's funny how the mind works, when we get older... > > I've seen the name "M K Ramadoss" around here a while.. and all the time > thought "man, that name looks familiar"... > > This morning it hit me. I knew that name, when I first got into BBS's > (shortly after I got into computers, back in the 8088 and 4.77MHz XT > days) somewhere in the mid 80's. > > Good to see a familiar face still hanging around town. > > -- > Regards, > -Geoff (Jeff) > (ex-sysop Electronic Avenue BBS) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From justizin at siggraph.org Fri Dec 1 10:02:10 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Fri Dec 1 10:02:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sorry for the bad post! In-Reply-To: <45704861.6030400@nvision2020.com> References: <456EF5A5.1000904@nvision2020.com> <77be04730611300838m60e8bb0bx1dddf1cd3e8c658a@mail.gmail.com> <345e55a50612010708m3fd37b4ay5c2d85ca5b836b45@mail.gmail.com> <45704861.6030400@nvision2020.com> Message-ID: <77be04730612010802i43ac1828w2045168cce4ba7d1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Dean McCall wrote: > Sorry when I post jobs I push them to a couple lists/groups...when I am > super busy like when this one was passed to me I just forwarded on > thought without really using the whole brain. My apologizes for a bad post! It's really OK, I suppose it was sort of depressing after making a comment of having been offered over $100k several times in the past year, but never in south texas, being reminded also that periodically there *are* very high paying jobs in south texas doing very nasty things like working with DirectShow. It's a societal barrier that makes me very sad to think of. :( It's days like these that make me hate my grandfather for having moved out of Silicon Valley in the 70s. What an idiot. Thanks for ducking out taxes to live in a state with less educational resources, oh provider of DNA. Yee Haw. > In repentance I will forward on an invite I got to what seems like a > great up coming festival. Since we went off on a game binge the other > day I figure it's probably more appropriate...compliments of my friends > at Make;) Neato, I wonder why there is no affiliation with ACM SIGGRAPH. Our Digital Arts Committee is among the first groups that would love to hear about something like this. I'll forward it on. ;) > 2006 Blip Festival > http://www.blipfestival.org/ > About Blip Festival 2006 > *THE TANK* and *8BITPEOPLES* are pleased to present the Blip Festival, a > four-day celebration of over 30 international artists exploring the > untapped potential of low-bit videogame consoles and home computers used > as creative tools. Familiar devices are pushed in new directions with > startling results ? Nintendo Entertainment Systems and Game Boys roaring > with futuristic floor-stomping rhythms and fist-waving melody, > art-damaged Sega hardware generating fluctuating and abstracted video > patterns ? and that's only the beginning. An exploration of the chiptune > idiom and its close relatives, the Blip Festival is the biggest and most > comprehensive event in the history of the form, and will include daily > workshops, art installations, and nightly music performances boasting an > international roster larger and more far-reaching than any previous > event of its kind. Small sounds at large scales pushed to the limit at > high volumes ? the Blip Festival is an unprecedented event that is not > to be missed. > > Thanks > Dean > > > Greg Willden wrote: > > It does not seem much related to Linux. > > > > > > On 11/30/06, Justizin wrote: > >> I'm of the distinct opinion that this is offensively off-topic. ;) > >> > >> On 11/30/06, Dean McCall wrote: > >> > C++ Direct Show Developers > >> > > >> > Must posses 5 years or more Direct Show experience with an Open GL > >> > background, Video background is a plus but not required Salary $45000 > >> > to $150,000 US. Must we able to work in USA or be able to be > >> Sponsored. > >> > Looking for someone in the San Marcos area but willing to take > >> > telecommuters on a case by case basis. This is a full time position. > >> > > >> > If interested please respond of list... > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Dean > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SATLUG mailing list > >> > SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect > >> ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter > >> http://www.siggraph.org/ > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From riugakusei at netscape.net Fri Dec 1 10:02:21 2006 From: riugakusei at netscape.net (riugakusei@netscape.net) Date: Fri Dec 1 10:02:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] help with wireless card Atheros ARG5005 rev 01 In-Reply-To: <456F3DB9.9000205@gmail.com> References: <8C8E26F6F6F12F2-BE0-DF3C@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> <46593AE2-B291-4CC6-8273-42459DF455A6@bleepsoft.com> <456F3DB9.9000205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C8E379381B8241-860-A869@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> i am running FC6 with an Atheros AR5005g NIC rev 1 card, i installed madwifi and loaded ath_pci module and my card des get recognized, i can see the wirless networkavalable but i won't pick up no ip address via dhcp,i get the following form dmesg|grep ath: #dmesg|grep ath: /* i have no ide what this output means */ ath_hal: no version for"struct_module" foundkernel tainted ath_hal: module license 'propietary ' taints kernel ath_hal: 0.9.18 (AR5210, AR5211,RF5111,RF5112,RF2413,RF5413) ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.13) ath_pci: 0.9.4.5(0.9.3) device-mapper: multippath : version 1.0.4 loaded from dmesg|grep wifi0: wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mdps 2mps 5.5 mps 48 mps 54mps / *there were several lines because they had the same ouput */ wifi): H/W encriion supported: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP wifi0: use hw que 1 for WME_ACBE traffffic wif0:Atheros 5212: mem= 0xc300000, irq=2333 from lsmod|grep ath: dm_multipath 22601 0 d_mod 61529 2 dm_mirror,dm_multpath ath_pci 91940 0 ath_rate_sample 17536 1 ath_pci wlan 185948 4 4 wlan_scan_sta,ath_pci,ath_rate_sample ath_hal 195152 3 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample hope that info can help you figure my problem., i just don't want to use Windows . thanks for your patience Vega -----Original Message----- From: bruce.dubbs@gmail.com To: satlug@satlug.org Sent: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 2:23 PMe Subject: Re: [SATLUG] error while executing make R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > On Nov 30, 2006, at 2:19 AM, riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > >> i havea acer aspire 9300 laptop i did a fresh install of f c 6, al >> i got to do is complile the acer_acpi module and enable the wireless >> in order for it to work. y problem ste following. >> everytime i do make it gives me a lot of errors, any idea how to get >> around this? my wireless card is an Atheros AR5005G rev 01, i loaaded >> ath_pci and it gets rcognized... but still no wirlesss...any help? >> Medar > > Error messages! We need error messages! The above *is* an error message. It certainly is not coherent. -- Bruce -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (0www.rackspace.com) ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From leon36 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 10:37:00 2006 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Dec 1 10:37:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] help with wireless card Atheros ARG5005 rev 01 In-Reply-To: <8C8E379381B8241-860-A869@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8E26F6F6F12F2-BE0-DF3C@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> <46593AE2-B291-4CC6-8273-42459DF455A6@bleepsoft.com> <456F3DB9.9000205@gmail.com> <8C8E379381B8241-860-A869@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <45705A2C.40400@gmail.com> riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > i am running FC6 with an Atheros AR5005g NIC rev 1 card, i installed madwifi and loaded ath_pci module and my card des get recognized, i can see the wirless networkavalable but i won't pick up no ip address via dhcp,i get the following form dmesg|grep ath: > > > Are you trying to connect through command line? If so you need to issue a command to your dhcp client. Something like: From http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo ifconfig ath0 up ifconfig essid "essidname" then dhcpcd ath0 or dhcpbd ath0 From twistedpickles at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 10:41:00 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Fri Dec 1 10:41:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] help with wireless card Atheros ARG5005 rev 01 In-Reply-To: <8C8E379381B8241-860-A869@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8E26F6F6F12F2-BE0-DF3C@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> <46593AE2-B291-4CC6-8273-42459DF455A6@bleepsoft.com> <456F3DB9.9000205@gmail.com> <8C8E379381B8241-860-A869@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On my laptop running FC5 w/ an intel card I need to run dhclient -r and then dhclient when connecting between access points to release and renew the IP. -twistedpickles message sent from mobile handset On 12/1/06, riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > i am running FC6 with an Atheros AR5005g NIC rev 1 card, i installed > madwifi and loaded ath_pci module and my card des get recognized, i can see > the wirless networkavalable but i won't pick up no ip address via dhcp,i get > the following form dmesg|grep ath: > > #dmesg|grep ath: /* i have no ide what this output means */ > ath_hal: no version for"struct_module" foundkernel tainted > ath_hal: module license 'propietary ' taints kernel > ath_hal: 0.9.18 (AR5210, AR5211,RF5111,RF5112,RF2413,RF5413) > ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.13) > ath_pci: 0.9.4.5(0.9.3) > device-mapper: multippath : version 1.0.4 loaded > > from dmesg|grep wifi0: > wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mdps 2mps 5.5 mps 48 mps 54mps / *there were several > lines because they had the same ouput */ > wifi): H/W encriion supported: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP > wifi0: use hw que 1 for WME_ACBE traffffic > wif0:Atheros 5212: mem= 0xc300000, irq=2333 > > from lsmod|grep ath: > dm_multipath 22601 0 > d_mod 61529 2 dm_mirror,dm_multpath > ath_pci 91940 0 > ath_rate_sample 17536 1 ath_pci > wlan 185948 4 4 wlan_scan_sta,ath_pci,ath_rate_sample > ath_hal 195152 3 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample > > hope that info can help you figure my problem., i just don't want to use > Windows . thanks for your patience > Vega > > -----Original Message----- > From: bruce.dubbs@gmail.com > To: satlug@satlug.org > Sent: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 2:23 PMe > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] error while executing make > > R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > > > On Nov 30, 2006, at 2:19 AM, riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > > > >> i havea acer aspire 9300 laptop i did a fresh install of f c 6, al > >> i got to do is complile the acer_acpi module and enable the wireless > >> in order for it to work. y problem ste following. > >> everytime i do make it gives me a lot of errors, any idea how to get > >> around this? my wireless card is an Atheros AR5005G rev 01, i loaaded > >> ath_pci and it gets rcognized... but still no wirlesss...any help? > >> Medar > > > > Error messages! We need error messages! > > The above *is* an error message. It certainly is not coherent. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (0www.rackspace.com) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading > spam and email virus protection. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- ::twistedPickles:: : From kell at spoonix.com Fri Dec 1 10:48:28 2006 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Fri Dec 1 10:48:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <77be04730612010755l4680c9acl2b866124ef43cca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> <20061201154025.GA19102@spoonix.com> <77be04730612010755l4680c9acl2b866124ef43cca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061201164828.GA19319@spoonix.com> On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 09:55:34AM -0600, Justizin wrote: > On 12/1/06, K. Spoon wrote: > >How does an md5 hash not satisfy this requirement? You don't have to > >store passwords in LDAP in the clear... md5 and crypt are supported out > >of the box. > > Well, this means I have to hand out a private key to a thousand > application developers, right? :/ What? No. http://userpages.umbc.edu/~mabzug1/cs/md5/md5.html The basic gist is that you take a string, run it through the md5 algorithm, and store the hash that's created somewhere... like, the /etc/passwd file or say, an LDAP server. Only the hash is saved... password is dropped after the hash is created. Whenever a user wants to authenticate, the application that they type their password into computes another md5 hash which is then sent back to the authentication server for it to compare against what's stored using some mathemagical formula I won't even pretend to understand. If the 2 hashes match up, the server sends back a thumbs up and the application awards authentication to the user... if not, try again, Beavis. No common cert is needed (because the md5 algorithm is what's shared), and the only thing sent over the wire is the hash, not the password itself. This is why everything from login to apache uses it, and because there's no (easy) way to "decrypt" the password from the hash it's why so many authentication systems require the admin to reset instead of resend passwords. Also.. I happen to know for a fact that Plone in 2003 was indeed capable of handling not only authentication via LDAP, but could even speak md5. In addition, we used posixGroups to establish user authorization to various parts of the site. -- K. Spoon From j at jvpappas.net Fri Dec 1 11:24:29 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Dec 1 11:28:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] help with wireless card Atheros ARG5005 rev 01 In-Reply-To: <8C8E379381B8241-860-A869@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8E26F6F6F12F2-BE0-DF3C@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> <46593AE2-B291-4CC6-8273-42459DF455A6@bleepsoft.com> <456F3DB9.9000205@gmail.com> <8C8E379381B8241-860-A869@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1164993870.21228.69.camel@spook.abacussg.com> On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 11:02 -0500, riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > i am running FC6 with an Atheros AR5005g NIC rev 1 card, i installed madwifi and loaded ath_pci module and my card des get recognized, i can see the wirless networkavalable but i won't pick up no ip address via dhcp,i get the following form dmesg|grep ath: > > #dmesg|grep ath: /* i have no ide what this output means */ > ath_hal: no version for"struct_module" foundkernel tainted > ath_hal: module license 'propietary ' taints kernel > ath_hal: 0.9.18 (AR5210, AR5211,RF5111,RF5112,RF2413,RF5413) > ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.13) > ath_pci: 0.9.4.5(0.9.3) > device-mapper: multippath : version 1.0.4 loaded Means module loaded correctly. No Errors here > from dmesg|grep wifi0: > wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mdps 2mps 5.5 mps 48 mps 54mps / *there were several lines because they had the same ouput */ > wifi): H/W encriion supported: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP > wifi0: use hw que 1 for WME_ACBE traffffic > wif0:Atheros 5212: mem= 0xc300000, irq=2333 Indicates the card is working and the firmware is loaded. Again, no errors. > from lsmod|grep ath: > dm_multipath 22601 0 > d_mod 61529 2 dm_mirror,dm_multpath > ath_pci 91940 0 > ath_rate_sample 17536 1 ath_pci > wlan 185948 4 4 wlan_scan_sta,ath_pci,ath_rate_sample > ath_hal 195152 3 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample This shows that the modules are loaded and the associated dependencies. Looks good. Now we need the output of: `iwconfig ath0` `ifconfig ath0` Any details about the wireless access point to which you are trying to connect would also help. > hope that info can help you figure my problem., i just don't want to use Windows . thanks for your patience > Vega > > -----Original Message----- > From: bruce.dubbs@gmail.com > To: satlug@satlug.org > Sent: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 2:23 PMe > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] error while executing make > > R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > > > On Nov 30, 2006, at 2:19 AM, riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > > > >> i havea acer aspire 9300 laptop i did a fresh install of f c 6, al > >> i got to do is complile the acer_acpi module and enable the wireless > >> in order for it to work. y problem ste following. > >> everytime i do make it gives me a lot of errors, any idea how to get > >> around this? my wireless card is an Atheros AR5005G rev 01, i loaaded > >> ath_pci and it gets rcognized... but still no wirlesss...any help? > >> Medar > > > > Error messages! We need error messages! > > The above *is* an error message. It certainly is not coherent. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (0www.rackspace.com) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 11:47:31 2006 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Dec 1 11:47:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] help with wireless card Atheros ARG5005 rev 01 In-Reply-To: <1164993870.21228.69.camel@spook.abacussg.com> References: <8C8E26F6F6F12F2-BE0-DF3C@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> <46593AE2-B291-4CC6-8273-42459DF455A6@bleepsoft.com> <456F3DB9.9000205@gmail.com> <8C8E379381B8241-860-A869@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> <1164993870.21228.69.camel@spook.abacussg.com> Message-ID: <45706AB3.7030402@gmail.com> John Pappas wrote: > Now we need the output of: > `iwconfig ath0` > `ifconfig ath0` I have found that you may need to first run `ifconfig ath0 up` to activate the card. Then things like `iwlist ath0 scan` work properly. -- Bruce From tyler at bleepsoft.com Fri Dec 1 11:49:45 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Fri Dec 1 11:49:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27CB59F7-B5B8-43DB-9BF8-DEADE37788B4@bleepsoft.com> On Dec 1, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Sexton, Art, ISD wrote: > My contribution today is in OS390 assembler...but I will translate for > those of you who do not speak that language. > > I uncovered this one while debugging Y2k changes and kept it > as...well...a WTF. Now keep in mind this one did not bite us until > Dec > 31, 2000. Yikes! Today's WTF won't be a code WTF, but rather a more abstract WTF. When asking aforementioned manager/exec type why he doesn't put any of his code into the Subversion repository his response boiled down to: "I have been a programmer for so long i dont need it" Ouch.[1] Cheers [1] http://bleepsoft.com/tyler/index.php?itemid=104 R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From jesse at liberto.org Fri Dec 1 12:04:20 2006 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Fri Dec 1 12:04:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: <27CB59F7-B5B8-43DB-9BF8-DEADE37788B4@bleepsoft.com> References: <27CB59F7-B5B8-43DB-9BF8-DEADE37788B4@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:49:45 -0600, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Sexton, Art, ISD wrote: > >> My contribution today is in OS390 assembler...but I will translate for >> those of you who do not speak that language. >> >> I uncovered this one while debugging Y2k changes and kept it >> as...well...a WTF. Now keep in mind this one did not bite us until Dec >> 31, 2000. > > Yikes! > > > Today's WTF won't be a code WTF, but rather a more abstract WTF. When > asking aforementioned manager/exec type why he doesn't put any of his > code into the Subversion repository his response boiled down to: > > > "I have been a programmer for so long i dont need it" > > > Ouch.[1] > > Cheers > > > [1] http://bleepsoft.com/tyler/index.php?itemid=104 > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com How about this one. I walk into the office today and a member of our IT department comes to me and says, "I recieved a message from an executive last night with a weird zip attachment. I was unsure, so I ran a virus scan...and nothing was found." I had to stop him right there, it was feeling more and more like a Monday, and ask him bluntly, "You didn't open it did you?". Well he had, luckily he refrained from running the exe found within the zip. I can accept things like this my end users, but a member of the IT department, come on. ~jesse -- Jesse Gonzalez Network Administrator Liberto Management Co., Inc. (210) 253 2285 office (210) 563 6280 mobile From tyler at bleepsoft.com Fri Dec 1 12:08:48 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Fri Dec 1 12:08:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: References: <27CB59F7-B5B8-43DB-9BF8-DEADE37788B4@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: On Dec 1, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > I had to stop him right there, it was feeling more and more like a > Monday, > and ask him bluntly, "You didn't open it did you?". Well he had, > luckily > he refrained from running the exe found within the zip. > > I can accept things like this my end users, but a member of the IT > department, > come on. Where's your sense of adventure! :) Cheers R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 12:14:09 2006 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Dec 1 12:14:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: References: <27CB59F7-B5B8-43DB-9BF8-DEADE37788B4@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <457070F1.3050601@gmail.com> Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > How about this one. > > I walk into the office today and a member of our IT department comes to me > and says, "I recieved a message from an executive last night with a > weird zip attachment. I was unsure, so I ran a virus scan...and nothing was > found." > > I had to stop him right there, it was feeling more and more like a Monday, > and ask him bluntly, "You didn't open it did you?". Well he had, luckily > he refrained from running the exe found within the zip. > > I can accept things like this my end users, but a member of the IT > department, > come on. What's the problem? I open zips all the time. The virii never affect my Linux box. Oh, wait.... -- Bruce From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Dec 1 13:35:00 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Dec 1 13:32:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: <456F672E.6040105@gmail.com> References: <0283E602-B64A-4A3F-8F50-3B2897C324A3@bleepsoft.com> <456F5ACD.7060304@gmail.com> <456F5CFC.40006@gmail.com> <456F5DD1.7070606@gmail.com> <456F64A6.3020202@gmail.com> <456F672E.6040105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <457083E4.6050105@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 pixelnate wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> >> > > Ah, the sweet smell of the XHTML strict doctype. These pages that the > previous code was taken from did not even include a doctype, but I digress. > > I was always too lazy to use strict, I used xhtml transitional. But i'm a lousy web developer. I'm much better at like something else that's not graphical. My creative brain sucks. David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQGVAwUBRXCD5Mnf+vRw63ObAQr8ogwAgIGIUTKf1K626AEQ5ALJB4EYoAJ0i7hl gbauFZM/LrElUUbQSUnX3/tqqsi8VzNfGSvdTp1tmsDkf/DjnalT0UixWak7T4c4 Qy88n3SDKhSJk7rZKoDE0bU/mJhg+RAt0QCscjnf0/6gAx2RjbqLMhnupj+S3CyV xSZDhXU4Q3f6+Zzwg6cCN/1KvowWXO21AqrCm9X8RaBbWqh5wwm/GaCzf8mjqxBz qBV4etUqOBhMKi/1zmSkZyfapYyAfHlPkI+gxEwXDk0RMMzQu3fa6a+gfHyzo/by 7jKIQ+Gm4gTNuXpy7Frzsx16/P8XLc60HXEtKgfMBFqK6dqa09eA2NdxSTE9CkeD g/9SYNZ49ouOlxx+4aX51irblDBlEubVbX2v54Pc6qH9zhHVicEMNSZvDqDf3K60 cV/xrzJh9V5sNx9OE8Dd6SpPxXppikqMD2/uCSikzgAs8DPqbH6M72u2vwQFj3u3 xk2X1bnYM40CjTrG837aVmx9XRhuWDZZ =sLne -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Dec 1 13:38:31 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Dec 1 13:36:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: <4154519d0611301828m2e718ee1qf08576654e896159@mail.gmail.com> References: <0283E602-B64A-4A3F-8F50-3B2897C324A3@bleepsoft.com> <4154519d0611301828m2e718ee1qf08576654e896159@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457084B7.4030600@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Mike Wallace wrote: >> I showed you mine, now show me yours. Please tell me you all have >> some WTFs, else I've have to go try to drown myself in a pint of >> Guinness :) > > > There was one time when we tried to explain the value of using bit > fields to a very junior developer. We had explained that if you had a > lot of related boolean flags, instead of creating booleans for each, > you can represent the values with the individual bits of an integer. > Someone made the unfortunate comment of thinking about things as just > being a sequence of 1's and 0's where 1 represented true and 0 > represented false. > > Well, later we see some of the code where our very junior developer > had used this strategy. All of the code was written in Java, by the > way. We did not find any integer declarations or bit shifting or > anything like that. Instead we find a String where the value of the > string itself was a sequence of the characters "0" and "1". Then to > access a particular value, our developer was pulling out an individual > character from the string and then doing a string compare operation > against the String "1". > > We're just glad that we found this bit of Java wizardry early on. I > think all of us were just shaking our heads at that one. Wow. I've seen some bad java, but wow. That's a good one. David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQGVAwUBRXCEt8nf+vRw63ObAQolfAv9EdjA9t24BW4dYETEajTkoRApwfPT6pGR g7TEDcYVeUSndKeViG20d4S7cUBsneouzhlayPp+T6BAwfNANv1uoJWA5MeJYxU9 uJpmQ8m9AQGs2QvEO6dVW1BRa4gcg1lafcNybUl91xieCFeYYCmQM2500IOpoUJH VpcQjK7wsm961qv/SVSimjmd4iS0/LBV1Hyczly4lGwYXqDX51LXKjNC+hc2jt0/ A4zk9ZKVcoJcd8HMHUV8b3AawwaMYmoY/Cu6S23fwtgrM5wYe55Ithb2eT0QCrkB ZE3w9VOs2JtvoeNFdWYWklbYL3rlNg0f4VtvPxgbZHeHT2UyV4Rq6Cf9D36qG3nM 1Bf5yNf3mxSKYRrg2vPxOrVdmUzPEtv2kzEBXKuwyDMLly6ExzH/PeLuIjCqjEhh EYnihQVVTQ/mpiKRNPmbaFCsZ7mZ+sSM6k6n+2VI5xl8Zzv1eVFr2wnIzedEUfhL O4y9vI/fVy73HLL3axAD93UkMDD2SZwi =dWjc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From justizin at siggraph.org Fri Dec 1 13:38:13 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Fri Dec 1 13:38:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <20061201164828.GA19319@spoonix.com> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> <20061201154025.GA19102@spoonix.com> <77be04730612010755l4680c9acl2b866124ef43cca4@mail.gmail.com> <20061201164828.GA19319@spoonix.com> Message-ID: <77be04730612011138t41a6b115k4b0a7aeee96c5496@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, K. Spoon wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 09:55:34AM -0600, Justizin wrote: > > On 12/1/06, K. Spoon wrote: > > >How does an md5 hash not satisfy this requirement? You don't have to > > >store passwords in LDAP in the clear... md5 and crypt are supported out > > >of the box. > > > > Well, this means I have to hand out a private key to a thousand > > application developers, right? :/ > > What? No. > > http://userpages.umbc.edu/~mabzug1/cs/md5/md5.html > > The basic gist is that you take a string, run it through the md5 > algorithm, and store the hash that's created somewhere... like, the > /etc/passwd file or say, an LDAP server. Only the hash is saved... > password is dropped after the hash is created. Oh, duh, I've known this for years. For some reason I was thinking of the way we used to encrypt passwords at Rackspace which strained the trust network, which was not an md5 hash but some key-based encryption. The goal is different because we needed to actually see people's passwords so that we could remind them, though an md5 hash-based system which could automatically *reset* the password on someone's server would be far more secure. ;) > Whenever a user wants to authenticate, the application that they type > their password into computes another md5 hash which is then sent back to > the authentication server for it to compare against what's stored using some > mathemagical formula I won't even pretend to understand. I also won't pretend to understand this bit. ;) > If the 2 hashes match up, the server sends back a thumbs up and the > application awards authentication to the user... if not, try again, Beavis. > > No common cert is needed (because the md5 algorithm is what's shared), > and the only thing sent over the wire is the hash, not the password > itself. This is why everything from login to apache uses it, and > because there's no (easy) way to "decrypt" the password from the hash > it's why so many authentication systems require the admin to reset > instead of resend passwords. > > Also.. I happen to know for a fact that Plone in 2003 was indeed capable > of handling not only authentication via LDAP, but could even speak md5. > In addition, we used posixGroups to establish user authorization to > various parts of the site. Plone and LDAP have issues, and python-ldap hangs Zope threads for some reason that noone seems to care about. I'm glad to write "fixing python-ldap" into my proposal, but I'd like to nail down what all python libs I'm going to need before offering to take up maintainership of all of them. FWIW, plone.org runs on a single machine, which is not going to happen with acm.org. That is the only reason plone.org does not hang from its' LDAP authentication, and I think there are too many small Plone clients who don't care about this for some reason, even though at least half of the reason of using Plone is to scale better than PHP. The ACM is probably a good organization to step in and improve some things here, but maybe some parts of the architecture are weak and we don't want to take ownership of them. I will already be configuring PAM+LDAP on all of the Plone servers so that, for instance, members of the "System Managers" group will have ssh. It does seem like a wise suggestion which I got not only from my friend Sean, but from Nick Borko, to hand credentials to PAM instead of owning some python code which is architecturally similar - in fact, this code in Zope is called PAS. Are they "pluggable modules" or "plugins for an authentication service" ? Fun. :) -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Dec 1 13:42:10 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Dec 1 13:39:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45708592.2020302@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Justizin wrote: > On 11/30/06, David Kowis wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> > John Pappas wrote: >> > >> >> Is LDAP over SSL a solution to handle the transport security problem? >> > > > The problem is not transport security, it's the size of the trust network. > >> > I believe that is one option. Another is SASL -- or a combination. >> > >> > -- Bruce >> >> I've done LDAP over a tls certificate based system. it works well enough >> for pam_ldap and nss_ldap. I use a host based certificate, so each host >> has it's own cert for establishing the TLS stuff. I looked into ldap + >> kerberos, but it was too much of a PITA for me and my lonesome. >> > > I can see how properly encrypted LDAP communications are rather > secure, but consider that I will more or less need to hand out access > to a database of a half million plus people to innumerate application > developers at all levels of an international organization. Right now, > Plone, which is going to be our core, encrypts passwords in such a way > that I can reset them, but not read them. If you lose your password, > much like with Yahoo or any other online service, you have to have a > confirmation e-mail sent. In a huge community kerberos will help. It provides standard authentication mechanisms for any number of things. You'll have to do coding no matter what for applications that don't have kerberos support either optional or built in. But for a Single Sign on type thing kerberos will do well. Or if you need to authenticate over an unsafe medium. > > The ACM has very stringent policies on privacy, security, etc.. We > are also a huge community, so I'm trying to serve both. I am going to > provide Chapters, SIGs, etc.. with a ton of tools to build web > presences using Plone, but some of them will want to use Rails or PHP > or CFM or whatever, and that's fine. I want them to be able to use a > simple, accessible means of determining if a given id is a non-paying > "web account", an ACM Member, a SIG Member, and/or a member of one or > more Chapters. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQGVAwUBRXCFksnf+vRw63ObAQqHfAv/VzbS/S98jaAC22wXpQxv87mTUkW0+Nqf czRIrKHxH8YtJgcgsY5nWzj7p2Jr+zYpkz8WEo3oQlfTv0Kxi5034CgmEoQgIKOr KdvG/deactiOewx8fCcJLUQMDhpT3gNYMTSLYoafQDswVAMAevkmJKSZMEzoWrfm DXaaDEEaIdSiEMdgbVyHCnzeLrxL3q/JZKPY4NLVvdxbCi8pSx7ybB1PDzgANMJ2 NGGItPwnV6GhIFZ1PrVS7JX7hcAGuQnDAGf3PNsGg2sKd2vgBsaSZ6efr5ds17Sz 2VQty84XzlG4Is2qE2Ed5l4SUkvPT1vMlEhfCL/qZ9J+ANgP3ttVuy1o6vOVnBRJ U3cphj7VBwRyGxelViUNFgU4VL7liDfHCyRDEeAwHXb1mirKBndHOwKsQPB6bdOq ssAe6RMgddPIRtgqxjrKjJ/4d+mViU2CB6UMZYfseUExPndeKG9ifIcnwVxZDQxk ZUu5y5H6eVVN72VUXINyUr3KCDJxHYzg =/sZ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Dec 1 13:45:51 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Dec 1 13:43:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun's Project Black Box In-Reply-To: <4570510D.40205@gmail.com> References: <45705027.6080901@nvision2020.com> <4570510D.40205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4570866F.6000306@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 pixelnate wrote: > Dean McCall wrote: >> >> * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 Sun Fire T1000 >> servers with the CoolThreads technology >> with 2000 cores >> and 8000 simultaneous threads. >> * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 x64-based servers >> with 1000 cores. >> * A single Project Blackbox could provide as much as 1.5 petabytes >> of disk storage or 2 petabytes of energy-efficient tape storage. >> * A single Project Blackbox could provide 7 terabytes of memory. >> * A single Project Blackbox could handle up to 10,000 simultaneous >> desktop users. >> * A single Project Blackbox currently has sufficient power and >> cooling to support 200 kilowatts of rackmounted equipment. > > > Wow, you could have a CounterStrike:Source server with 10000+ players on > the same map! Kewl. > 9999 campers and one l33t haxx0r!1 Who will carry the day? Stupidly, David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQGVAwUBRXCGbsnf+vRw63ObAQrlGAwArx8x5bV7rAozj6AzO73sOvCxl8kUvIaD lkSNErjCHxm5Y7UqqNMs3GdsCUF5lkRpv//YzzeVs+dOTm5Vn72/pS31HNlVgqnp drXspOYw3HXSjSizVKXW9RIlYGJIcbnLYY1DrhWhn9W94le7+MGBaJywn29QhwxA MHtlmAiJvX7GiaBP00VCynpu+SaLhNbSLbGpYowBaW4r+RMjPQhld5cSeuEa37ZB 8ArdIhEYQePNJ4A8YIGYz+6/OuDwovGvpztgmkwYhJ1wkovCIJq9ndTTBSbY42QV 1Rcu++8EusLL0szE8ZKFRcVVlZlPHZpjEsUOnBWZC5/AU++rwt7ZJSxbm7s9Kizt 0CiJtcXV7tCNcKL/JBZ58o2rhrfFo7ZU1TH0d3myG9p1f8CDdweAvYHbyA6Ljauu F7ZneFONiQMmLfb6m8MucHBtGrWiMuNkXGCpk1R23+HFipCAtnOEQoPrtVrDIMti p3Mqk7z3bxiwUXqFX+zDk6HkeK7NRtrx =LIBf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 13:48:09 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Dec 1 13:50:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: <457083E4.6050105@shlrm.org> References: <0283E602-B64A-4A3F-8F50-3B2897C324A3@bleepsoft.com> <456F5ACD.7060304@gmail.com> <456F5CFC.40006@gmail.com> <456F5DD1.7070606@gmail.com> <456F64A6.3020202@gmail.com> <456F672E.6040105@gmail.com> <457083E4.6050105@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <457086F9.1000800@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > I was always too lazy to use strict, I used xhtml transitional. > > But i'm a lousy web developer. I'm much better at like something else > that's not graphical. My creative brain sucks. > > Once you get used to the changes between HTML and XHTML, like anything else, it becomes second nature after awhile. I made the switch because it is easier to manage IE CSS parsing bugs. Man, I just hate IE. That is the biggest WTF I ever deal with. IMHO, v7 isn't ready for prime time either. It hangs every time I try and load a secure page. [ugh] ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 13:49:26 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Dec 1 13:51:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun's Project Black Box In-Reply-To: <4570866F.6000306@shlrm.org> References: <45705027.6080901@nvision2020.com> <4570510D.40205@gmail.com> <4570866F.6000306@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <45708746.9040300@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > 9999 campers and one l33t haxx0r!1 Who will carry the day? > > Yeah, a map full of awp fairies. ~Nate From justizin at siggraph.org Fri Dec 1 14:01:02 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Fri Dec 1 14:01:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun's Project Black Box In-Reply-To: <45705027.6080901@nvision2020.com> References: <45705027.6080901@nvision2020.com> Message-ID: <77be04730612011201n79a29954o2712bdb188e8ff87@mail.gmail.com> read: "Sun innovates by offering Google-style infrastructure as a generic product." On 12/1/06, Dean McCall wrote: > Has anyone else seen Sun's project black box project? Quite an > interesting idea on modular data centers design...good fodder for a > Friday... > > > A Novel Datacenter Concept > > Project Blackbox packages compute, storage, and network infrastructure > capabilities into scalable, modular units outfitted with > state-of-the-art cooling, monitoring, and power distribution systems. > Customers will be able to order a variety of standard and custom > configurations of systems, storage, networking, and software. Housed in > a standard 20-foot shipping container for maximum flexibility, Project > Blackbox will be easily transported using common shipping methods. > Simple hookups for water, AC power, and networking will enable customers > to quickly deploy Project Blackbox upon delivery. > > > Inside Project Blackbox > > The Project Blackbox prototype is a computing powerhouse capable of > hosting a configuration that would place it among the top 200 fastest > supercomputers globally. The current prototype could support the > following capacities: > > * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 Sun Fire T1000 > servers with the CoolThreads technology > with 2000 cores > and 8000 simultaneous threads. > * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 x64-based servers > with 1000 cores. > * A single Project Blackbox could provide as much as 1.5 petabytes > of disk storage or 2 petabytes of energy-efficient tape storage. > * A single Project Blackbox could provide 7 terabytes of memory. > * A single Project Blackbox could handle up to 10,000 simultaneous > desktop users. > * A single Project Blackbox currently has sufficient power and > cooling to support 200 kilowatts of rackmounted equipment. > > https://photos.sun.com/page/1182 > > Dean > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Fri Dec 1 14:16:45 2006 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Fri Dec 1 14:16:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sun's Project Black Box In-Reply-To: <77be04730612011201n79a29954o2712bdb188e8ff87@mail.gmail.com> References: <45705027.6080901@nvision2020.com> <77be04730612011201n79a29954o2712bdb188e8ff87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45708DAD.2020304@nvision2020.com> Justizin wrote: > read: "Sun innovates by offering Google-style infrastructure as a > generic product." hehe yeah I saw that...I will ponder that one for a while... Have to say though I am pretty impressed with Sun's CoolThreads line of servers...as a data center guy I can attest to these things cutting down on the juice. With little to no compromise on performance. Best of all they will run on Gentoo and Unbuntu in addition to OpenSolaris. As people get concerned more and more with the environment it's nice to see someone making a effort. As and technologist and an environmentalist I live a very conflicted life;) dean > > On 12/1/06, Dean McCall wrote: >> Has anyone else seen Sun's project black box project? Quite an >> interesting idea on modular data centers design...good fodder for a >> Friday... >> >> >> A Novel Datacenter Concept >> >> Project Blackbox packages compute, storage, and network infrastructure >> capabilities into scalable, modular units outfitted with >> state-of-the-art cooling, monitoring, and power distribution systems. >> Customers will be able to order a variety of standard and custom >> configurations of systems, storage, networking, and software. Housed in >> a standard 20-foot shipping container for maximum flexibility, Project >> Blackbox will be easily transported using common shipping methods. >> Simple hookups for water, AC power, and networking will enable customers >> to quickly deploy Project Blackbox upon delivery. >> >> >> Inside Project Blackbox >> >> The Project Blackbox prototype is a computing powerhouse capable of >> hosting a configuration that would place it among the top 200 fastest >> supercomputers globally. The current prototype could support the >> following capacities: >> >> * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 Sun Fire T1000 >> servers with the CoolThreads technology >> with 2000 cores >> and 8000 simultaneous threads. >> * A single Project Blackbox could accommodate 250 x64-based servers >> with 1000 cores. >> * A single Project Blackbox could provide as much as 1.5 petabytes >> of disk storage or 2 petabytes of energy-efficient tape storage. >> * A single Project Blackbox could provide 7 terabytes of memory. >> * A single Project Blackbox could handle up to 10,000 simultaneous >> desktop users. >> * A single Project Blackbox currently has sufficient power and >> cooling to support 200 kilowatts of rackmounted equipment. >> >> https://photos.sun.com/page/1182 >> >> Dean >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > From justizin at siggraph.org Fri Dec 1 14:24:12 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Fri Dec 1 14:24:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <45708592.2020302@shlrm.org> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> <45708592.2020302@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <77be04730612011224k66497038q293deb59ecd130d9@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, David Kowis wrote: > > In a huge community kerberos will help. It provides standard > authentication mechanisms for any number of things. You'll have to do > coding no matter what for applications that don't have kerberos support > either optional or built in. But for a Single Sign on type thing > kerberos will do well. Or if you need to authenticate over an unsafe medium. > Hm.. Looking at what Columbia does here: http://www.columbia.edu/acis/sy/unixdev/tekiki/web-auth.html I'll probably have to end up going this route. It already felt like I should use kerberos, but maybe allow for direct LDAP auth with hashes so that other apps can get to it. We also currently have something sort of like WIND for all systems which comply with the login policy. This ensures that people see everything ACM Legal wants them to before having any sort of priveledged access to servers. Plone will probably become the "de facto" login like Columbia's "WIND", and I know of some people, the FSF being one, doing work to share login cookies and/or sessions between Plone and other apps like MediaWiki. I was hoping it wouldn't come to this - instead of choosing an authentication solution, using everything possible, but I suppose once you think about it, it makes sense. It's probably not going to hurt my pocketbook to start getting to know PAM, nsswitch, LDAP, and KRB5 better. ;) -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From mikeaw at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 14:43:31 2006 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Fri Dec 1 14:43:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio's Daily WTF In-Reply-To: <457086F9.1000800@gmail.com> References: <0283E602-B64A-4A3F-8F50-3B2897C324A3@bleepsoft.com> <456F5ACD.7060304@gmail.com> <456F5CFC.40006@gmail.com> <456F5DD1.7070606@gmail.com> <456F64A6.3020202@gmail.com> <456F672E.6040105@gmail.com> <457083E4.6050105@shlrm.org> <457086F9.1000800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d0612011243y707fa299neebf7b623b9a5544@mail.gmail.com> In the Java/JSP world, I came across a project where it seems that the developers only knew how to include pages with the include directive. Nowhere did I see references to the element despite that the vast majority of included files were other JSPs. For those of you who are unfamiliar with JSP, the include directive loads in the included file statically. After the inclusion of the file, the JSP is then translated and compiled down to a servlet. The element can include either static or dynamic content. If including a dynamic page, such as another JSP, the included JSP is translated and its results are sent back to the original JSP for inclusion. Either solution will work fine if what you're including is always static, however, in almost each and every included file, there were tons variables all over the place. Nowhere in the included files were these variables defined because all the variables being used were defined in the original JSP which included the others!! In order to find out what a particular variable was doing, I'd have to find the file(s) which included the file the variable was in and then find its original declaration. Sometimes the static includes were nested a few layers, and in a few cases, whether or not a file was included was the result of some test. So, not only were variables declared who knows where, but sometimes you didn't know if that particular JSP was even being included! I tried to sort through things by opening the JSPs in Eclipse, but then Eclipse began highlighting nearly every line with red or yellow squiggles. Eclipse was trying hard to make sense of it and it eventually gave up. It actually got to the point that when I'd make a change, Eclipse would hang for a while trying to figure out the new warnings and errors. Eventually, I had to turn off all warning and error checking just to make progress. Finally, I managed to reform the included files to make them valid stand-alone JSPs and replace all the <%@include%> with . I really am amazed that the original developers were even able to develop as complex as a system they did. It was an intricate web, and removing one seemingly innocuous variable from a file causes nothing to compile any more. Yeesh. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 14:52:52 2006 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Dec 1 14:52:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <20061201164828.GA19319@spoonix.com> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> <20061201154025.GA19102@spoonix.com> <77be04730612010755l4680c9acl2b866124ef43cca4@mail.gmail.com> <20061201164828.GA19319@spoonix.com> Message-ID: <45709624.6070004@gmail.com> K. Spoon wrote: > The basic gist is that you take a string, run it through the md5 > algorithm, and store the hash that's created somewhere... like, the > /etc/passwd file or say, an LDAP server. Only the hash is saved... > password is dropped after the hash is created. > > Whenever a user wants to authenticate, the application that they type > their password into computes another md5 hash which is then sent back to > the authentication server for it to compare against what's stored using some > mathemagical formula I won't even pretend to understand. This can only be secure if the hash is sent over an encrypted link. The hash is a "password equivalent" and, if captured, can be used to make the same authentication from another location. Another way is to store the actual password on the server and send something like a hash of a timestamp plus the password. The authentication server then tests the timestamp for reasonableness (say within a second or two) and calculates the hash from the timestamp and the saved password. If that matches the transmitted timestamp, access is allowed. -- Bruce From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Dec 1 15:13:18 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Dec 1 15:11:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: kerberos In-Reply-To: <45709624.6070004@gmail.com> References: <20061129052417.6480E43E1AB@satlug.org> <77be04730611300635w7357b94y47ae410e4893195a@mail.gmail.com> <1164916009.21228.34.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <456F3CBF.1060001@gmail.com> <456F6456.7010908@shlrm.org> <77be04730612010721u66d1763fvf194b8a9886e178@mail.gmail.com> <20061201154025.GA19102@spoonix.com> <77be04730612010755l4680c9acl2b866124ef43cca4@mail.gmail.com> <20061201164828.GA19319@spoonix.com> <45709624.6070004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45709AEE.1070901@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Another way is to store the actual password on the server and send > something like a hash of a timestamp plus the password. The > authentication server then tests the timestamp for reasonableness (say > within a second or two) and calculates the hash from the timestamp and > the saved password. If that matches the transmitted timestamp, access > is allowed. > One would note that's the same thing kerberos does :) It just also adds a single sign on ticket thingy. David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQGVAwUBRXCa7snf+vRw63ObAQpjzAv/Y1RM2a9fXc1V+8nE5Wya2fDd/9utFroa srEqVv5Q0muMntHvHGy9pkeJSE7+eu1eu0Xwu+8boWlVaFRaIIZA2t5kdtCm5/ec HFojejsKbBFLNSDUx6jRBBdskcuEsv+m1Zwoqqh8mJeDGBFAdzy7q3TBJ4oWn/YJ Fz+SsHo1aEl6RaG2QXAiiW3KWBdDa/3MU6y+rY2qGt9CaLdmC5vGMEKpqqi5JFEH 2udfpLJ7dx0yc/SdepJjLPkpLGdQkcjD6N9VDapK2WiotSUcp4HHCK+Pmpsp5X7u Nmrfz4xC4EzeJxDia662BNyrINGq0EskchNdiTranA/I7rtPjs7v8e16U6g5YV9q N3ri9/QRwNzqcrbM+Jw8BIO6zW+b5z9gHq2JP2UQRbjiIlw9q19E07ZwRWpa21LN iDwKhObxaz6sMEyxmDwp2IxBQD6GgGK5qkoIj6jJv1RtO2rx+WsJbGvkpR/iCypl 8heixRj35MtTL+9B/HoDx3Z8DEW/uyEC =d9dX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tyler at bleepsoft.com Fri Dec 1 17:10:51 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Fri Dec 1 17:11:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Merry Beermas Message-ID: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> I really think the December meeting should be different, more social than most meetings, but more importantly, with the addition of Beer. I went ahead and threw up a page on the wiki: http://satlug.org/wiki/ index.php/Beermas Maybe just for december a change of pace? Besides BYOB get togethers are always enjoyable ;) Thoughts? Cheers R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From justizin at siggraph.org Fri Dec 1 17:24:25 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Fri Dec 1 17:24:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Merry Beermas In-Reply-To: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> References: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <77be04730612011524n7de5f2a8n97e13e8e84e0c0a3@mail.gmail.com> If SATLUG has a Beermas, I might just try to find my way into town. I managed to raise about $250 and parlay it into a van stuffed with almost 20 cases of beer at the Plone Conference in Seattle recently, for our after-conference coding sprint. When I left town two days later, about four cases were left, and I woke up one morning with a luggage rack stacked with empty and full beer at the foot of my bed. good times.. The checker at the store was like: "Who do you guys work for?" To which we all responded: "Eh, ourselves? The greater good?" :-P On 12/1/06, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > I really think the December meeting should be different, more social > than most meetings, but more importantly, with the addition of Beer. > > > I went ahead and threw up a page on the wiki: http://satlug.org/wiki/ > index.php/Beermas > > Maybe just for december a change of pace? Besides BYOB get togethers > are always enjoyable ;) > > > Thoughts? > > Cheers > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Dec 1 17:58:31 2006 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan Oxhandler) Date: Fri Dec 1 17:58:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Memory is the second thing to go In-Reply-To: <77be04730612011524n7de5f2a8n97e13e8e84e0c0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> <77be04730612011524n7de5f2a8n97e13e8e84e0c0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4570C1A7.7090402@gvtc.com> and I can't remember the first one. My SUSE died on me and I decided to download Fedora Core 6 and give it a try. My Dad says he is using it as do most of the LUG people he knows in Las Vegas. I do not want to get on a discussion about distro's or GUI's at this point, I have KDE set up to come up when I boot. My PuppyLinux, Knoppix, and SUSE, when it was running, all saw my 'Windows D' (FAT32, 8 Gig) drive no problem. Puppy and Knoppix were also easy to let me have full access to the drive, Puppy has it come up every time. FC6 under Logical Volume Management sees the drive as Uninitialized Entities /dev/hdc Partition 1 and 2. 1 is the boot and 2 is the data. I can not find where, with out going to the command line and editing files, to tell FC6 to mount the drive and give all users full access to it at every boot. I can access my 2 USB drives and 2 CD/DVD drives no problem. I have done all available updates to FC6, KDE and all software. Which menu item, yes I know I have to be root, do I use? Nathan From Dewayne.Duff at ogn.af.mil Fri Dec 1 18:12:21 2006 From: Dewayne.Duff at ogn.af.mil (Duff DeWayne SA AFOSI/Det 401) Date: Fri Dec 1 18:12:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Memory is the second thing to go In-Reply-To: <4570C1A7.7090402@gvtc.com> Message-ID: Not trying to be funny if this is more basic than you intended, but have you modified your /etc/fstab? --D? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Oxhandler Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:59 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Memory is the second thing to go and I can't remember the first one. My SUSE died on me and I decided to download Fedora Core 6 and give it a try. My Dad says he is using it as do most of the LUG people he knows in Las Vegas. I do not want to get on a discussion about distro's or GUI's at this point, I have KDE set up to come up when I boot. My PuppyLinux, Knoppix, and SUSE, when it was running, all saw my 'Windows D' (FAT32, 8 Gig) drive no problem. Puppy and Knoppix were also easy to let me have full access to the drive, Puppy has it come up every time. FC6 under Logical Volume Management sees the drive as Uninitialized Entities /dev/hdc Partition 1 and 2. 1 is the boot and 2 is the data. I can not find where, with out going to the command line and editing files, to tell FC6 to mount the drive and give all users full access to it at every boot. I can access my 2 USB drives and 2 CD/DVD drives no problem. I have done all available updates to FC6, KDE and all software. Which menu item, yes I know I have to be root, do I use? Nathan -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 18:14:47 2006 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Dec 1 18:14:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Merry Beermas In-Reply-To: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> References: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <4570C577.3050107@gmail.com> R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > I really think the December meeting should be different, more social > than most meetings, but more importantly, with the addition of Beer. > > > I went ahead and threw up a page on the wiki: > http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Beermas > > Maybe just for december a change of pace? Besides BYOB get togethers are > always enjoyable ;) > > > Thoughts? A good idea, but we can't do it. SAC won't allow any alcohol. If you can find a location for *after* the meeting, that would be nice. -- Bruce From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Dec 1 18:21:05 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Dec 1 18:21:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Memory is the second thing to go In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4570C6F1.6010807@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Duff DeWayne SA AFOSI/Det 401 wrote: > Not trying to be funny if this is more basic than you intended, but have you modified your /etc/fstab? Even if fstab hasn't been edited yet, you can still, from the command line, mount the drive, and what type it is, and when that mount option works, -then- edit fstab and put it there. ie: for a samba share, I do something like mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.2/share-name /path/to/mount/to but, that's only when needed. my fstab looks something like: : > less /etc/fstab /dev/hda3 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/hda1 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hdb1 /new80gig ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda1 /scsi reiserfs defaults 1 2 /dev/hda2 swap swap defaults 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs noauto 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom subfs noauto,fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy subfs noauto,fs=floppyfss,procuid,nodev,nosuid,sync 0 0 -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From tyler at bleepsoft.com Fri Dec 1 18:21:26 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Fri Dec 1 18:21:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Merry Beermas In-Reply-To: <4570C577.3050107@gmail.com> References: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> <4570C577.3050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <05A66A66-F9DD-4E4D-9D38-4ED62A095372@bleepsoft.com> On Dec 1, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > R. Tyler Ballance wrote: >> I really think the December meeting should be different, more social >> than most meetings, but more importantly, with the addition of Beer. >> >> >> I went ahead and threw up a page on the wiki: >> http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Beermas >> >> Maybe just for december a change of pace? Besides BYOB get >> togethers are >> always enjoyable ;) >> >> >> Thoughts? > > A good idea, but we can't do it. SAC won't allow any alcohol. If you > can find a location for *after* the meeting, that would be nice. I'm not saying at SAC, I'm saying we hold the "meeting" elsewhere and celebrate Beermas :) R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Dec 1 18:33:58 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Dec 1 18:34:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Merry Beermas In-Reply-To: <4570C577.3050107@gmail.com> References: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> <4570C577.3050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4570C9F6.3020507@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > >> I really think the December meeting should be different, more social >> than most meetings, but more importantly, with the addition of Beer. >> >> >> I went ahead and threw up a page on the wiki: >> http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Beermas >> >> Maybe just for december a change of pace? Besides BYOB get togethers are >> always enjoyable ;) >> > A good idea, but we can't do it. SAC won't allow any alcohol. If you > can find a location for *after* the meeting, that would be nice. There aren't any pizza joints that sell beer, anywhere near SAC that someone can't think of? ;-) c'mon... there's gotta be more than a few.. 'sides that, the St. Mary's Strip is 'right there' (well, close enough) Because I'm lazy, when is the actual meeting set to occur this month? From leon36 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 18:36:37 2006 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Dec 1 18:36:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Merry Beermas In-Reply-To: <05A66A66-F9DD-4E4D-9D38-4ED62A095372@bleepsoft.com> References: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> <4570C577.3050107@gmail.com> <05A66A66-F9DD-4E4D-9D38-4ED62A095372@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <4570CA95.203@gmail.com> R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> R. Tyler Ballance wrote: >>> I really think the December meeting should be different, more social >>> than most meetings, but more importantly, with the addition of Beer. >>> >>> >>> I went ahead and threw up a page on the wiki: >>> http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Beermas >>> >>> Maybe just for december a change of pace? Besides BYOB get togethers >>> are >>> always enjoyable ;) >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? >> >> A good idea, but we can't do it. SAC won't allow any alcohol. If you >> can find a location for *after* the meeting, that would be nice. > > > I'm not saying at SAC, I'm saying we hold the "meeting" elsewhere and > celebrate Beermas :) > > > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > > Just post a map :-D :p Sam From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Dec 1 19:04:22 2006 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan Oxhandler) Date: Fri Dec 1 19:04:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Memory is the second thing to go In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4570D116.5020501@gvtc.com> Duff DeWayne SA AFOSI/Det 401 wrote: > Not trying to be funny if this is more basic than you intended, but have you modified your /etc/fstab? > > --D? > > What I am trying to do, if you read my message, was to do what both Puppy and Knoppix allow you to do WITH OUT DOING ANY COMMAND LINE STUFF. Both allow you to find and mount a hard drives with out going to the command line to do anything, etc, mount, dev, or any other file. If Puppy can do it, where is the same capability in FC6? Nathan From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Dec 1 20:48:38 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Dec 1 20:48:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Memory is the second thing to go In-Reply-To: <4570D116.5020501@gvtc.com> References: <4570D116.5020501@gvtc.com> Message-ID: <4570E986.80908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > What I am trying to do, if you read my message, was to do what both > Puppy and Knoppix allow you to do WITH OUT DOING ANY COMMAND LINE STUFF. > > Both allow you to find and mount a hard drives with out going to the > command line to do anything, etc, mount, dev, or any other file. If > Puppy can do it, where is the same capability in FC6? > not all distros are the same. they're all linux, alright - but not all flavors act the same ;-) From twistedpickles at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 23:55:13 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Fri Dec 1 23:55:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Merry Beermas In-Reply-To: <4570CA95.203@gmail.com> References: <588F4B63-C111-4C88-A238-7F637C8C0909@bleepsoft.com> <4570C577.3050107@gmail.com> <05A66A66-F9DD-4E4D-9D38-4ED62A095372@bleepsoft.com> <4570CA95.203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/1/06, Samuel Leon wrote: > > > R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > > > On Dec 1, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > >> R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > >>> I really think the December meeting should be different, more social > >>> than most meetings, but more importantly, with the addition of Beer. > >>> > >>> > >>> I went ahead and threw up a page on the wiki: > >>> http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Beermas > >>> > >>> Maybe just for december a change of pace? Besides BYOB get togethers > >>> are > >>> always enjoyable ;) > >>> > >>> > >>> Thoughts? > >> > >> A good idea, but we can't do it. SAC won't allow any alcohol. If you > >> can find a location for *after* the meeting, that would be nice. > > > > > > I'm not saying at SAC, I'm saying we hold the "meeting" elsewhere and > > celebrate Beermas :) > > > > > > > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > > > > > > > Just post a map :-D :p > > Sam > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ;-D I'll supply the projector & screen if required. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 23:57:01 2006 From: mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Fri Dec 1 23:57:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Connecting to Wireless Networks In-Reply-To: <1164731678.1960.165.camel@spook.abacussg.com> References: <2d1185c80611261526v12acb4c6rc9c8b8557607ec20@mail.gmail.com> <8C8E00CA5C0663A-7C4-2AD@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com> <2d1185c80611270604u1919268dm46142785617e125@mail.gmail.com> <1164646269.1960.19.camel@spook.abacussg.com> <1164731678.1960.165.camel@spook.abacussg.com> Message-ID: <2d1185c80612012157q49df7e1h9f0f4c0dbd32add@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the help everybody. I've compiled everyone's instructions into the following procedure of commands below: ifconfig eth0 up (turns on card) iwlist eth0 scan (lists wireless networks in range) iwconfig eth0 essid "RouterName" key "BunchOfNumbersIfNeeded" mode managed (creates connection with desired access point) dhclient eth1 -r (drops old IP) dhclient eth1 -l (obtains new IP) iwconfig eth0 (verify connection with access point) dhclient -q eth0 & (don't know why, but it's required) Can y'all verify that I got these correct? I will try them out as soon as I get a chance. Thanks again. On 11/28/06, John Pappas wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 07:49 -0600, twistedpickles wrote: > > On 11/27/06, twistedpickles wrote: > > > I run FC5 on a dell D620 and as mentioned in earlier post I also use > > > iwlist eth1 scan # to can for wifi networks > > > iwconfig eth1 essid "WapName" key "If_Applies" > > > iwconfig eth1 #verify connection > > > dclient -q eth1 & #won't work without this > > > > correction on the above: > > > > iwlist eth1 scanning # scan for networks > > iwconfig eth1 essid "WapName" key "If_Applies" mode managed > > > > If I am changing from one wap to a different wap and where on had a > > key and now doesn't then: > > > > iwconfig eth1 essid "NewWap" key off mode managed > > dhclient eth1 -r # release IP > > dhclient eth1 -l # renew IP > > I thought that FC used a different DHCP client implementation. Thanks > for the info! > > John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From luis at luisgarza.com Sat Dec 2 04:48:10 2006 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Sat Dec 2 04:47:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrade Fedora core 3 to core 6 Message-ID: <200612020448.11107.luis@luisgarza.com> Ok. The day I feared has come. I have come to the conclusion that I really need to update my system. :-o I have been working with wordpress and their plugins and they have really been written for php5. Private and Public functions just do not work in php4 :-( Plus there are other thinks, like update X11, KDE, GNOME, apache2 and oh yeah support. I am spending the night downloading FC6 and backing up some of my directories to CD. I am feeling very hopefull since I went to church today. So I am asking for any lessons learned while upgrading. I look forward to your replies in the morning. Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com From luis at luisgarza.com Sat Dec 2 05:59:31 2006 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Sat Dec 2 05:59:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql3 to mysql4 database update Message-ID: <57800.127.0.0.1.1165060771.squirrel@localhost> I have stopped mysqld and backed up my /var/lib/mysql. Question: After I have updated my mysql server from mysql3 to mysql4, will my database be alright. Will I still be able to access them without problems? Is there a conversion process? Luis Garza www.luisgarza.com luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Dec 2 07:20:31 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Dec 2 07:20:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mysql3 to mysql4 database update In-Reply-To: <57800.127.0.0.1.1165060771.squirrel@localhost> Message-ID: <200612021320.kB2DKVlE016760@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > I have stopped mysqld and backed up my /var/lib/mysql. > > Question: > > After I have updated my mysql server from mysql3 to mysql4, will my > database be alright. Will I still be able to access them without > problems? > > Is there a conversion process? > Luis, what type of db's are these? If it is innodb you need to rebuild the key associations as a separate step, other than that I am not aware of any problems. That's true if you backup/restore under 3 as well. -b. From rct at gherkin.frus.com Sat Dec 2 11:13:56 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Sat Dec 2 11:13:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrade Fedora core 3 to core 6 In-Reply-To: <200612020448.11107.luis@luisgarza.com> "from Luis Garza at Dec 2, 2006 04:48:10 am" Message-ID: <20061202171356.E3290DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Luis Garza wrote: > I am spending the night downloading FC6 and backing up some of my directories > to CD. I am feeling very hopefull since I went to church today. > > So I am asking for any lessons learned while upgrading. Best recommendation I can give is to read the release notes and pay particular attention to the *strong* recommendation to do a "from scratch" install vs. upgrading. I'm pretty hard-headed and tend to believe that if a distro vendor offers an upgrade option, it should work :-). For the most part, it does. When the smoke clears, you'll have some semi-serious cleanup to do... (1) Your windowing environment of choice will pretty much be trashed. Fix is to delete all the dot files and directories under your home directory that have anything to do with GNOME and KDE -- let the window manager recreate them. Desktop customizations will, of course, be lost: you'll need to recreate them. (2) Many packages that were available in FC3 have no replacements that can be automatically determined by the FC6 upgrade process, i.e., they are obsolete or have otherwise fallen out of favor. After the upgrade, run "rpm -q -a --last" and save the output somewhere for reference: this generates a time-ordered list of RPMs on your system where the oldest RPMs will be at the end of the list. Anything with a date older than 2006 should probably be removed. If you need the functionality provided by a package that's a candidate for removal, try to find a modern replacement. One you'll probably run into quickly is the RPM package that provides alternative desktop themes: if you had the FC3 version loaded, it didn't get upgraded and the old one won't work due to changes in where GNOME expects to find things. Bottom line: if you're adventurous AND feel comfortable doing things from the command line, do the upgrade -- you won't lose any critical data, and you'll have quite the learning experience. On the other hand, if you don't crave that kind of excitement in your life, save those configuration items and other critical data you can't live without, then do a "from scratch" install. If you elect the "from scratch" approach and have the luxury of doing so, put it on a different machine and then you won't have to worry about losing *anything*. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 11:42:28 2006 From: mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Sat Dec 2 11:42:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrade Fedora core 3 to core 6 In-Reply-To: <20061202171356.E3290DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <200612020448.11107.luis@luisgarza.com> <20061202171356.E3290DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <2d1185c80612020942n717622f2r621bf1e0a3e169a9@mail.gmail.com> I'm getting ready to install FC6 on a Dell laptop currently running Windowz ME. I've got the files I need off of it, and I wish to completely wipe off the hard drive and install FC6. Does anyone have any recommended programs/methods for clearing off the drive (OS too)? I've never erased a hard drive before or installed Linux, so any tips/warnings would be much appreciated. On 12/2/06, Bob Tracy wrote: > > Luis Garza wrote: > > I am spending the night downloading FC6 and backing up some of my > directories > > to CD. I am feeling very hopefull since I went to church today. > > > > So I am asking for any lessons learned while upgrading. > > Best recommendation I can give is to read the release notes and pay > particular attention to the *strong* recommendation to do a "from scratch" > install vs. upgrading. I'm pretty hard-headed and tend to believe that if > a distro vendor offers an upgrade option, it should work :-). For the > most part, it does. When the smoke clears, you'll have some semi-serious > cleanup to do... > > (1) Your windowing environment of choice will pretty much be trashed. > Fix is to delete all the dot files and directories under your home > directory that have anything to do with GNOME and KDE -- let the > window manager recreate them. Desktop customizations will, of > course, be lost: you'll need to recreate them. > > (2) Many packages that were available in FC3 have no replacements that > can be automatically determined by the FC6 upgrade process, i.e., > they are obsolete or have otherwise fallen out of favor. After > the upgrade, run "rpm -q -a --last" and save the output somewhere > for reference: this generates a time-ordered list of RPMs on your > system where the oldest RPMs will be at the end of the list. > Anything with a date older than 2006 should probably be removed. > If you need the functionality provided by a package that's a > candidate for removal, try to find a modern replacement. One you'll > probably run into quickly is the RPM package that provides alternative > desktop themes: if you had the FC3 version loaded, it didn't get > upgraded and the old one won't work due to changes in where GNOME > expects to find things. > > Bottom line: if you're adventurous AND feel comfortable doing things > from the command line, do the upgrade -- you won't lose any critical > data, and you'll have quite the learning experience. On the other hand, > if you don't crave that kind of excitement in your life, save those > configuration items and other critical data you can't live without, > then do a "from scratch" install. If you elect the "from scratch" > approach and have the luxury of doing so, put it on a different machine > and then you won't have to worry about losing *anything*. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Sat Dec 2 12:05:46 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Dec 2 12:06:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrade Fedora core 3 to core 6 In-Reply-To: <2d1185c80612020942n717622f2r621bf1e0a3e169a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612020448.11107.luis@luisgarza.com> <20061202171356.E3290DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <2d1185c80612020942n717622f2r621bf1e0a3e169a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4571C07A.6070007@cox-internet.com> Matt Kinsel wrote: > I'm getting ready to install FC6 on a Dell laptop currently running Windowz > ME. I've got the files I need off of it, and I wish to completely wipe off > the hard drive and install FC6. Does anyone have any recommended > programs/methods for clearing off the drive (OS too)? I've never erased a > hard drive before or installed Linux, so any tips/warnings would be much > appreciated. > > On 12/2/06, Bob Tracy wrote: >> >> Luis Garza wrote: >> > I am spending the night downloading FC6 and backing up some of my >> directories >> > to CD. I am feeling very hopefull since I went to church today. >> > >> > So I am asking for any lessons learned while upgrading. >> >> Best recommendation I can give is to read the release notes and pay >> particular attention to the *strong* recommendation to do a "from >> scratch" >> install vs. upgrading. I'm pretty hard-headed and tend to believe >> that if >> a distro vendor offers an upgrade option, it should work :-). For the >> most part, it does. When the smoke clears, you'll have some semi-serious >> cleanup to do... >> >> (1) Your windowing environment of choice will pretty much be trashed. >> Fix is to delete all the dot files and directories under your home >> directory that have anything to do with GNOME and KDE -- let the >> window manager recreate them. Desktop customizations will, of >> course, be lost: you'll need to recreate them. >> >> (2) Many packages that were available in FC3 have no replacements that >> can be automatically determined by the FC6 upgrade process, i.e., >> they are obsolete or have otherwise fallen out of favor. After >> the upgrade, run "rpm -q -a --last" and save the output somewhere >> for reference: this generates a time-ordered list of RPMs on your >> system where the oldest RPMs will be at the end of the list. >> Anything with a date older than 2006 should probably be removed. >> If you need the functionality provided by a package that's a >> candidate for removal, try to find a modern replacement. One you'll >> probably run into quickly is the RPM package that provides >> alternative >> desktop themes: if you had the FC3 version loaded, it didn't get >> upgraded and the old one won't work due to changes in where GNOME >> expects to find things. >> >> Bottom line: if you're adventurous AND feel comfortable doing things >> from the command line, do the upgrade -- you won't lose any critical >> data, and you'll have quite the learning experience. On the other hand, >> if you don't crave that kind of excitement in your life, save those >> configuration items and other critical data you can't live without, >> then do a "from scratch" install. If you elect the "from scratch" >> approach and have the luxury of doing so, put it on a different machine >> and then you won't have to worry about losing *anything*. >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org >> rct@frus.com >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> The Fedora disk partitioning tool will do all you need when it comes to taking out Bill's bloat. -- Three o'clock in the afternoon is always just a little too late or a little too early for anything you want to do. -- Jean-Paul Sartre From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Dec 2 12:20:52 2006 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Dec 2 12:20:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wiping the C: Drive and Installing FC 6 Message-ID: Quick and easy just boot up in DOS and get the prompt (A:\>_) and then do: A:\>_ < format C: > you will be queried " are you sure " < yes > ... still back and watch, when done (formating) naming or renaming the drive is your choice. Now CD\C: and do < fdisk , option 4 > and verify your partition(s), then do < ESC > < ESC >. Assuming this isn't dual boot,you're good to go with your FC 6 install. Or as Chris Le Deax used to say " Let I'r Whril ." >------- Original Message ------- >From : Matt Kinsel[mailto:mk.spacecowboy@gmail.com] >I'm getting ready to install FC6 on a Dell laptop currently running Windowz ME. I've got the files I need off of it, and I wish to completely wipe off the hard drive and install FC6. Does anyone have any recommended programs/methods for clearing off the drive (OS too)? I've never erased a hard drive before or installed Linux, so any tips/warnings would be much appreciated. From mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 12:34:00 2006 From: mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Sat Dec 2 12:34:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wiping the C: Drive and Installing FC 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d1185c80612021034j42ea0e85hd7dfe1f4fddfd3e8@mail.gmail.com> You're correct, I do not wish to dual boot. I'll try what you told me, thanks! On 12/2/06, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > Quick and easy just boot up in DOS and get the prompt > (A:\>_) and then do: A:\>_ < format C: > > you will be queried " are you sure " < yes > ... > still back and watch, when done (formating) naming or > renaming the drive is your choice. > > Now CD\C: and do < fdisk , option 4 > and verify > your partition(s), then do < ESC > < ESC >. > > Assuming this isn't dual boot,you're good to go with > your FC 6 install. > > Or as Chris Le Deax used to say " Let I'r Whril ." > > > > >------- Original Message ------- > >From : Matt Kinsel[mailto:mk.spacecowboy@gmail.com] > > >I'm getting ready to install FC6 on a Dell laptop > currently running Windowz > ME. I've got the files I need off of it, and I wish > to completely wipe off > the hard drive and install FC6. Does anyone have any > recommended > programs/methods for clearing off the drive (OS too)? > I've never erased a > hard drive before or installed Linux, so any > tips/warnings would be much > appreciated. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Dec 2 13:03:54 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Sat Dec 2 13:03:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrade Fedora core 3 to core 6 In-Reply-To: <2d1185c80612020942n717622f2r621bf1e0a3e169a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612020448.11107.luis@luisgarza.com> <20061202171356.E3290DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <2d1185c80612020942n717622f2r621bf1e0a3e169a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612021303.54619.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 02 December 2006 11:42, Matt Kinsel wrote: > I'm getting ready to install FC6 on a Dell laptop currently running Windowz > ME. I've got the files I need off of it, and I wish to completely wipe off > the hard drive and install FC6. Does anyone have any recommended > programs/methods for clearing off the drive (OS too)? I've never erased a > hard drive before or installed Linux, so any tips/warnings would be much > appreciated. The default FC6 install option will "Remove all Linux Partitions" only by default. To have it wipe out windows, you need to direct it to "Remove All Partitions". See here: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-disk-partitioning.html Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Dec 2 14:28:36 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Sat Dec 2 14:28:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrade Fedora core 3 to core 6 In-Reply-To: <200612020448.11107.luis@luisgarza.com> References: <200612020448.11107.luis@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <200612021428.36202.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 02 December 2006 04:48, Luis Garza wrote: [...] > > So I am asking for any lessons learned while upgrading. Many of us here have done this many times Luis... And Tthere are a dozen different ways to do it. Here's a the "manual method" that I recently used in a laptop upgrade: Example: You have a desktop with some mysql database content and /etc based config files that you want to save, along with your home dir content. 1) Change to runlevel one: # init 1 2) Place any important system files in a common backup location (I use /home): # cp -a {/etc,/var/lib/mysql} /home/ 3) Tar up /home # tar czvf /tmp/BACKUP-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).tgz 4) copy the tar ball off to a different system (scp, ftp, dvd, tape, etc) 5) Reinstall system new OS... boot the system, but don't run any of your regular desktop apps yet. 6) copy backup tarball back onto /home/BACKUP and untar it: # mkdir -p /home/BACKUP ; cp BACKUP-2006-12-02.tgz /home/BACKUP/ # cd /home/BACKUP/ ; tar xzvf BACKUP-2006-12-02.tgz Put the tarball away somewhere safe in case you need it later: # mv /home/BACKUP-2006-12-02.tgz /root 7) Raw data dirs such as MyDocs, Mp3s, etc can simply be copied back over into place into your new user's home dirs: # cp -a /home/RESTORE/home/user1/{MyDocs,Mp3s,Mail} /home/user1/ NOTE: Don't just blindly copy over hidden user config files and dirs like .kde and .gnome, as there will be many new features of these configs that you will not want to bring with you into the new KDE/Gnome environment. However, if you fine that something doesn't work like it used to (e.g. Your Kmail filters and accounts are all lost), then research and copy each over individually. For example, for Kmail filters and accounts, they are all kept in .kde/share/config/kmailrc, which MAY be copied over after you've determined you need it and that you won't mess up your new environment. NOTE: You probably set up your first/only around install time. But if you did not, or you have additional users, jump ahead and step12 and then back here. 8) You can copy over some of your "dot files" (usually) such as .ssh, .mozilla, .gaim, .evolution, etc. Some apps like ssh shouldn't matter.. other apps like evolution might detect old config files and offer to upgrade them (if needed)... However, be sure to to pay attention to potential conflicts such as mozilla plugins and the like. 9) After moving home user content back into place, verify that the UID GID's still match. This can be fixed (if they don't match) like this: # chown -R user1:user1 /home/user1 10) Copy your database back into place: # cp -a /home/BACKUP/mysql/* /var/lib/mysql NOTE: There are diffs between major versions of MySQL and other DB version table types. You need to look into best handle these differences for you DB or application. 11) Copy important config files back into place, allowing for backups to be made of all original files: # cp -ab /home/BACKUP/etc/hosts /etc/hosts # cp -ab /home/BACKUP/etc/sysconfig/iptables /etc/sysconfig/ WARNING: Never just blindly copy old key daemon config files over the new ones (such as /etc/my.cnf, httpd.conf, vsftpd.conf, sendmail.{cf,mc}, etc. New daemons mean new/different features. Plopping an old config file over top a newer one can cause big problems. Individual settings from old config files need to be researched and moved over to the new files line by line. 12) Things like users and groups should usually be recreated on the new system instead of just being moved over. If you're upgrading between different distros or even UN*Xes... their settings and internal conventions may vary quite a bit. 13) Have your users log in and start up their applications and check to verify that everything is operating correctly. If everything's ok.. then clean up the untarred backup files in /home, but keep the tar backup file on the system for a few months just in case. wow.. I didn't intend to write all of this.. but I've been meaning to jot a lot of this down in note form for a while now. And now having done so.. I'm sure that others will now add toit , change and refine it. Sounds like a good candidate for the WiKi.. :) Tweeks From travis at subspacefield.org Sat Dec 2 14:39:00 2006 From: travis at subspacefield.org (Travis H.) Date: Sat Dec 2 14:39:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AoE questions In-Reply-To: <20061121010410.GA18806@spoonix.com> References: <20061119023436.GA31639@spoonix.com> <1163996123.26991.126.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <20061120070425.GA11677@spoonix.com> <1164044711.26991.230.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <20061121010410.GA18806@spoonix.com> Message-ID: <20061202203900.GD8092@nexus.subspacefield.org> On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 07:04:10PM -0600, K. Spoon wrote: > So, what I meant, was: > > * setup server with four 500GB disks I'm doing that now. > * setup a RAID 10 across them (hda-R1-hdb)-R0-(hdc-R1-hdd) Is there any reason to do 1+0 instead of 0+1? -- "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez -><- From luis at luisgarza.com Sat Dec 2 16:29:12 2006 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Sat Dec 2 16:29:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrade Fedora core 3 to core 6 In-Reply-To: <200612021428.36202.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200612020448.11107.luis@luisgarza.com> <200612021428.36202.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <37007.192.168.2.1.1165098552.squirrel@luisgarza.com> On Sat, December 2, 2006 2:28 pm, tweeks wrote: > On Saturday 02 December 2006 04:48, Luis Garza wrote: > [...] >> >> So I am asking for any lessons learned while upgrading. > > Many of us here have done this many times Luis... And Tthere are a dozen > different ways to do it. Here's a the "manual method" that I recently > used > in a laptop upgrade: > > Example: You have a desktop with some mysql database content and /etc > based > config files that you want to save, along with your home dir content. > [...] > 6) copy backup tarball back onto /home/BACKUP and untar it: > # mkdir -p /home/BACKUP ; cp BACKUP-2006-12-02.tgz /home/BACKUP/ > # cd /home/BACKUP/ ; tar xzvf BACKUP-2006-12-02.tgz > [...] OK I rsync-ed the /root /etc /var /home directories to another machine. I know that I got too much but its just a backup. [...] > you fine that something doesn't work like it used to (e.g. Your Kmail > filters > and accounts are all lost), then research and copy each over individually. > For example, for Kmail filters and accounts, they are all kept > in .kde/share/config/kmailrc, which MAY be copied over after you've > determined you need it and that you won't mess up your new environment. I use squirrelmail for my mail reader but I have alot of plugins. So now I have to backup the /usr/share/squirrelmail/plugins directory. I am purty sure that they will work with the latest version of squirrelmail. So I think that I can restore those. I also need to make sure that I have every users /home/[user]/mail directory. It appears that is where squirrelmail creates the users' subfolders. That will need to be restored. I am also thinking about backing up and restoring my spamassasin .cf files in the /usr/share/spamassassin directory. Also each users' /home/[user]/.spamassasin directory will need to be backed upped and restored. It contains the users' whitelist and user_perfs. Funny, I just noticed that I have not installed clamav - sorry windows users. It appears that I need to backup each users' /home/[user]/* regular files and directories minus the Desktop. I will let the system recreate that. Just restoring the /home/[user]/* files should exclude the .files and .directories. I may want to restore the user's bashrc files; /home/[user]/.[a-zA-Z]*bash* I am thinking about NOT restoring the samba /usr/share/system-config-samba directory and just try to recreate the share by just restoring the /etc/samba directory. Any takers on why the /usr/share/system-config-samba directory has some python files that