From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Jul 1 00:12:30 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sat Jul 1 00:14:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RSS questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200607010012.30749.nman64@n-man.com> On Friday 30 June 2006 16:33, "Travis H." wrote: > Okay, so I've seen some sites with decent news and if I wanted to view > their RSS feeds, is there some applet in KDE, or something I install > on my intranet web server to collate several of them? > I use Akregator. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Sat Jul 1 07:35:57 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Sat Jul 1 07:37:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RSS questions In-Reply-To: <200607010012.30749.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200607010012.30749.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <44A66C2D.2060400@satx.rr.com> Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > On Friday 30 June 2006 16:33, "Travis H." wrote: > >> Okay, so I've seen some sites with decent news and if I wanted to view >> their RSS feeds, is there some applet in KDE, or something I install >> on my intranet web server to collate several of them? >> >> > > I use Akregator. > > Same here. Thunderbird has built-in RSS support, as well. From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Sat Jul 1 08:29:41 2006 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Sat Jul 1 08:29:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RSS questions In-Reply-To: <44A66C2D.2060400@satx.rr.com> References: <200607010012.30749.nman64@n-man.com> <44A66C2D.2060400@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44A678C5.4090408@nvision2020.com> Mitch Thompson wrote: > > > Patrick W. Barnes wrote: >> On Friday 30 June 2006 16:33, "Travis H." wrote: >> >>> Okay, so I've seen some sites with decent news and if I wanted to view >>> their RSS feeds, is there some applet in KDE, or something I install >>> on my intranet web server to collate several of them? >>> >>> >> >> I use Akregator. >> >> > Same here. Thunderbird has built-in RSS support, as well. http://www.flock.com/download/ is very cool as a browser and does all things RSS/mashup/social networking very well...they just released the new beta version which I have been using for a few weeks and have yet to have an issue...I am very impressed with the browser actually! It's built on top of the mozilla source... Dean From afcasta at texas.net Sat Jul 1 09:41:46 2006 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat Jul 1 09:39:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Using Shuttle SFF as NAS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151764906.4335.17.camel@linux.site> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 19:39 -0500, Robert Pearson wrote: > Gilbert Morrow wrote: > > Not a problem , just thought I would offer , I have run several Shuttle SFFs > > so have some extra parts . > > I am starting a new thread with a reply to another thread. > Has anyone built a Shuttle SFF NAS? > How are you, the Shuttle owners, using your Shuttle's? My kids have to use Windows for school (example: oldest is taking photography and has to use photoshop for homework assignments), and I got tired of rebuilding their Windows box. I bought a used shuttle xpc off ebay and installed SuSE (now running 10.1) and VMware. I built an XP Pro guest OS for them to use for their school projects, and tar up the directory for the Windows XP Pro once a week. Now whenever they break Windows, I just untar the xp.tgz file over the current guest OS directory and they're back to where they were the last time I built the xp.tgz tarball. As for their user files, I'm running samba on the linux host OS and they use it for their "network shares." So, even it they crash Windows, they don't lose their work. Most of the time, the kids don't even bother to boot their Windows guest OS unless they're having to use Windows apps for school, and they're using Open Office to manage the MS Office documents they submit for other homework assignments. Al Castanoli From rhewitt at grandecom.net Sat Jul 1 09:44:58 2006 From: rhewitt at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Sat Jul 1 09:46:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] unsecure wireless networks Message-ID: <000601c69d1c$ed0e72b0$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> I am sending this message to both IPcop mail list and the SATLug mail list. I just got my first wireless connections setup and in the process I noticed a unsecured connection. To make matters even stupider (if that's possible) I not only connected to their net but I also accessed his router using default information. I will leave the specifics out but what I want to do is send this person a message that he was compromised and that maybe he might want to setup his security before someone else less nice decides to do some real damage. I know it was a bit wrong of me to access his net but I hate to see things so easily done it gives real hackers a chance to do real damage. Robert rhewitt@grandecom.net From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Sat Jul 1 10:02:08 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Jul 1 10:02:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] unsecure wireless networks In-Reply-To: <000601c69d1c$ed0e72b0$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000601c69d1c$ed0e72b0$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <44A68E70.80907@cox-internet.com> Robert J Hewitt wrote: > I am sending this message to both IPcop mail list and the SATLug mail list. > > > > I just got my first wireless connections setup and in the process I noticed > a unsecured connection. To make matters even stupider (if that's possible) > I not only connected to their net but I also accessed his router using > default information. I will leave the specifics out but what I want to do > is send this person a message that he was compromised and that maybe he > might want to setup his security before someone else less nice decides to do > some real damage. I know it was a bit wrong of me to access his net but I > hate to see things so easily done it gives real hackers a chance to do real > damage. > > > > > > > > > > Robert > > rhewitt@grandecom.net > > > > If you send him a warning you are leaving yourself open to admitting that you accessed his network and he could file charges or sue for any damage he claims was done to his network and computer/s. YOU would be the one left to prove you did not cause the damage. If you know the person, and are known by him, you may be able to just talk to him about it. If not, I would stay away from the matter, and the network. It may sound like the coward's way out, but it is a lot cheaper and far less risky. Peace, Dennis From afcasta at texas.net Sat Jul 1 10:19:19 2006 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat Jul 1 10:17:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] remote file systems In-Reply-To: <1151589256.22782.91.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <1151589256.22782.91.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <1151767159.4335.38.camel@linux.site> On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 08:54 -0500, John Pappas wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 22:44 -0500, Travis H. wrote: > > Hey, > > > > What options other than NFS are there for Linux, and can the latest > > NFS deal with extended attributes like those used by SELinux? > > The only alternative one that I could find when I was looking is AFS > (Andrew File System) from CMU (Carnegie Mellon Univ). The Scientific Linux distro has extensive support for AFS, and has some significant kernel mods to support AFS. Although Scientific Linux is grown from RHEL AS 4 sources, it was a much smaller install than the RHEL AS 4 builds I've done this year. Al Castanoli From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Jul 1 11:15:21 2006 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Jul 1 11:15:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Road Runner Speed Increase In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0606281049t196c5d5du990449313e410cd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A29258.7090805@satx.rr.com> <79ec289f0606281049t196c5d5du990449313e410cd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A69F99.6030607@camerontech.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > Does the speed increase apply for business class users? > Apparently not in Austin. I bought into a five year contract (to get a lower monthly rate) three several years ago and I have heard all this wonderful stuff about how fast everyone's downloads are getting. I called to ask if I was getting any benefit and they said "Sure, if you want to pay an extra hundred and fifty dollars a month we can boost you to the same speed that residential users are getting." I'm actually pretty pissed off. I paid a bunch more to get better bandwidth and static IP addresses and now residential users are blowing my doors off. I'm still paying over a hundred a month and the only thing I get for it is static IP addresses. It has gotten to the point that it make more financial sense for me to get DSL for 5 static IP addresses and residential cable modem for the high speed downloads. From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Jul 1 11:59:49 2006 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Jul 1 11:59:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] best high-security server disto? In-Reply-To: References: <200606290039.00763.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <44A6AA05.7030002@camerontech.com> Travis H. wrote: > On 6/29/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: >> If you want to keep costs low, I'd recommend CentOS. It's equivalent >> to RHEL, >> will get updates for years, is very solid, and has plenty of support > > Hmm, hadn't considered this. I was thinking Debian or gentoo, which > have a smaller footprint than FC, especially since I won't be using it > as a desktop, it seems wasteful to instal something that takes 7-8GB. > I'll look into CentOS... FC can be installed in a few hundred megs, pretty easily. Since you want a secure distro, you should not install all the stuff that takes up so much space, anyway (like development tools and the like). You get SELinux, which is a great set of tools for hardening your box. Of course, if you are serious about security, I would spring for RHEL. You get fast updates, commercial tech support, all the bells and whistles a commercial OS needs. You can get it pretty cheap, too - $179 for the WS version, which is all you'd need for what you've described. See http://www.redhat.com/rhel/compare/client/ for info about features and pricing. If you are a student, you can also get RHEL for $50. See http://www.redhat.com/rhel/details/academic/ for details. Thomas From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Jul 1 12:08:33 2006 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Jul 1 12:08:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Possible to mount Windows XP home directories on a Samba server? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606291439i391347ffj18a8668470b1d62b@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606291439i391347ffj18a8668470b1d62b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A6AC11.2050105@camerontech.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > The subject of this message just about says it all - has anyone ever > tried remotely mounting Windows XP home directories on a Samba server? > If so, how'd you set it up? Any drawbacks or gotchas to this > approach, if it's even possible? > > thanks > > Sean > I do this every time I have to use an XP box (once in a blue moon when I decide to play Windows games). I don't do my whole home directory (the Documents and Settings folder on my XP box), I just do "My Documents" folder on the desktop. Just create a [homes] sections in smb.conf that looks like this: [homes] comment = Home Directories read only = No browseable = No On the Samba server, run the command smbpasswd -a [username] where [username] is the same name as your Linux account *and* the name you log into your XP box as. They don't strictly have to be the same username, but it makes life a lot easier if they are. Make sure you can see the share from your XP box by browsing through "My Network Places." Once you can see your home directory (it should be called \\[server]\[username], create a directory there called My Documents. Then right click on your "My Documents" folder and redirect it to \\[server]\[username]\My Documents. Piece of cake. If you are talking about creating a true roaming profile directory, it is a little more complex. See http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ProfileMgmt.html#id2629733 for more details. Thomas From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 12:26:06 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Jul 1 12:26:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Using Shuttle SFF as NAS? In-Reply-To: <1151764906.4335.17.camel@linux.site> References: <1151764906.4335.17.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: On 7/1/06, Al Castanoli wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 19:39 -0500, Robert Pearson wrote: [...snip...] > > How are you, the Shuttle owners, using your Shuttle's? > > My kids have to use Windows for school (example: oldest is taking > photography and has to use photoshop for homework assignments), and I > got tired of rebuilding their Windows box. I bought a used shuttle xpc > off ebay and installed SuSE (now running 10.1) and VMware. I built an > XP Pro guest OS for them to use for their school projects, and tar up > the directory for the Windows XP Pro once a week. Now whenever they > break Windows, I just untar the xp.tgz file over the current guest OS > directory and they're back to where they were the last time I built the > xp.tgz tarball. As for their user files, I'm running samba on the linux > host OS and they use it for their "network shares." So, even it they > crash Windows, they don't lose their work. Most of the time, the kids > don't even bother to boot their Windows guest OS unless they're having > to use Windows apps for school, and they're using Open Office to manage > the MS Office documents they submit for other homework assignments. Thanks Al. Very innovative. Sounds like the perfect, and maybe the only sensible, way to run Windows. Maybe even the "Best of both worlds". When I first put VMPlayer on my Linux box there were only a handful, 6-10? (my memory's fuzzy), of contributed "Virtual Appliances". Now there are hundreds. There are so many they have categories. The Virtual Appliances: <> VMPlayer: <> The SFF PC's, like the Shuttle, are a great way to deliver "Virtual Appliances". When I looked at doing pNAS (personal NAS) with an SFF box I found the Aspire X-QPACK case. It is a little larger than the Shuttle. But that is a good thing for a NAS box. <> Instead of these giant monolithic "All-in-One" servers, I've been dreaming about a "Grid-like" installation of SFF "Virtual Appliances" with a Storage backbone of Aspire pNAS nodes. One box, one function (could be multiple related applications). Need more bandwidth? Add more SFF boxes. Big servers supplied great "Economies of Scale" TCO (Total Cost of Ownership). I'm not sure there isn't a better way to do this with SFF. Buying SFF's in quantity and deploying SFF "clusters" with failover looks pretty good. From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 13:16:09 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 1 13:16:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] giving away free Linux machines Message-ID: Hi, I've got an excess of computers now and will be installing Linux on some of the slower ones and giving them away. I'm particularly interested in giving them to high school or college students who want to learn Linux but don't have a spare computer to experiment on. Does anyone on the list know of anyone matching this description, or would anyone be interested in chipping in to take out a newspaper ad or something? TIA -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Jul 1 13:47:55 2006 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Sat Jul 1 13:45:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] giving away free Linux machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44A6C35B.5090705@cis.sac.accd.edu> Travis H. wrote: > Hi, > > I've got an excess of computers now and will be installing Linux on > some of the slower ones and giving them away. I'm particularly > interested in giving them to high school or college students who want > to learn Linux but don't have a spare computer to experiment on. > > Does anyone on the list know of anyone matching this description, or > would anyone be interested in chipping in to take out a newspaper ad > or something? > > TIA Travis, We have plenty of students that fit this at SAC. E-mail me off list. Steve From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 14:41:26 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:41:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] remote file systems In-Reply-To: <1151767159.4335.38.camel@linux.site> References: <1151589256.22782.91.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <1151767159.4335.38.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: I'm surprised I haven't found codafs support. BSDs have it IIRC. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 15:20:58 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 1 15:21:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] unsecure wireless networks In-Reply-To: <44A68E70.80907@cox-internet.com> References: <000601c69d1c$ed0e72b0$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> <44A68E70.80907@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't, unless you could tell how to reach him via passive sniffing. Accessing it accidentally is probably not illegal; you can argue that you didn't have a criminal intent (I think that's called "nea culpa"), and windows machines automatically associate with the closest network, so I'm sure it happens all the time. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sat Jul 1 16:43:37 2006 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sat Jul 1 16:44:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] unsecure wireless networks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c69d57$7b4e9160$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> If you knowingly access someone else's network via wifi, whether intentional or not, it's against the law. There are some folks, like my brother in law, who leaves his open and doesn't care who accesses the net via his network. The WAP is in a DMZ and not part of his LAN. It's rather just another gateway. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Travis H. Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:21 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] unsecure wireless networks I wouldn't, unless you could tell how to reach him via passive sniffing. Accessing it accidentally is probably not illegal; you can argue that you didn't have a criminal intent (I think that's called "nea culpa"), and windows machines automatically associate with the closest network, so I'm sure it happens all the time. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sat Jul 1 16:56:38 2006 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Sat Jul 1 16:57:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] unsecure wireless networks In-Reply-To: <000101c69d57$7b4e9160$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> References: <000101c69d57$7b4e9160$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <44A6EF96.70703@futuretechsolutions.com> Not a good idea. Liability would very likely fall on him if someone decided to use his access point for illegal activities. At the very least, a lot of unwanted attention could fall on him. John Champion wrote: > If you knowingly access someone else's network via wifi, whether intentional > or not, it's against the law. There are some folks, like my brother in law, > who leaves his open and doesn't care who accesses the net via his network. > The WAP is in a DMZ and not part of his LAN. It's rather just another > gateway. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Travis H. > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:21 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] unsecure wireless networks > > I wouldn't, unless you could tell how to reach him via passive sniffing. > Accessing it accidentally is probably not illegal; you can argue that you > didn't have a criminal intent (I think that's called "nea culpa"), and > windows machines automatically associate with the closest network, so I'm > sure it happens all the time. > -- > Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. > Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by > Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 2 08:39:12 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 2 08:39:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? Message-ID: <200607021339.k62DdCE6015286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol :-) From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 10:34:47 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jul 2 10:34:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Script to shorten file names? Message-ID: <277020fc0607020834ld9aaf84lde16b7cdb73c55af@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a script for shortening file names? I have some file names that are too long, how can I cut them all back to a standard character length, while retaining the extension names. Example: My\ big\ long\ ugly\ file\ name\ here.txt would be truncated to: My\ big.txt thanks Sean -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From borregator at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 11:04:45 2006 From: borregator at yahoo.com (edgar borregales escobar) Date: Sun Jul 2 11:04:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] thanks for acceptance of borregator Message-ID: <20060702160445.45156.qmail@web52413.mail.yahoo.com> //thanks for acceptance. borregator@yahoo.com BorreGator --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From gboswell at accd.edu Sun Jul 2 12:21:41 2006 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Sun Jul 2 12:21:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Mystery letter B in OS X Mozilla Mail Message-ID: <44A800A5.2050505@accd.edu> I've installed Mozilla 1.7 on my Mac running OS X 10.4 so that I have the same products on the Mac as on Linux. I've noticed the the email sent on the Mac (I send copies to each machine) that the Mac email has some intermittant B placed in the body of the email such as " > immediate reading and responce.B TheB textB and theB basics will be > theB same asB on and on my signature >Glenn Boswell "Boz"B B B B B >gboswell@accd.edu >San Antonio CollegeB Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 > >See > >http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html >A free alternative to MS Office: >http://www.openoffice.org/ > >"We make a living by what we Get. >B We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous > > B B It doesn't look like that when I send but when recieved on Linux or XP (All Mozilla Mail) the mysterious Bs. Any Ideas? -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From e2eiod at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 13:12:28 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sun Jul 2 13:12:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? In-Reply-To: <200607021339.k62DdCE6015286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200607021339.k62DdCE6015286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: On 7/2/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol > > :-) > -- This URL is unreachable today. The message at: << http://insignificantthoughts.com/>> "We'll be right back. As soon as the server cools off. We were Digged and in the New York Times on the same day and blew through 12 Gigabytes of bandwidth and 700,000+ hits in 12 hours. I'll be back, but I have to give my server a rest so the other. folks on it don't kill me. See you soon, and sorry for being too damn famous for my own good ;-) Fame sucks!" From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 2 14:04:32 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 2 14:04:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G Message-ID: <200607021904.k62J4WaQ024475@biochem.uthscsa.edu> For some reason, my router started to act up: It will not give me a private network anylonger, but instead simply act as a pass-through for the external network, so my internal network card is pulling an outside address via roadrunners DHCP. Wireless is also completely gone. I tried the reset switch and power cycling - no luck. Is the router dead or can I recover it? Is there a way to get the router into a default state? Thanks, -Borries From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Jul 2 14:19:11 2006 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Jul 2 14:19:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G Message-ID: I had a similar reset problem with a Linksys BEFSR41 V2 (wired router).  At the suggestion of a member I finally prevailed by:  holding reset 30  seconds before energizing,    continuing to hold the reset 30 seconds more (while energized),   and continue holdling reset 30 more seconds after de-energizing. Worked for me,   HTH,   Lou ------- Original Message ------- << snip >> >I tried the reset switch and power cycling - no luck. Is the router >dead or can I recover it? Is there a way to get the router  into a default state? > >Thanks, -Borries << snip >> From j at jvpappas.net Sun Jul 2 14:45:54 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Jul 2 14:46:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151869554.22782.173.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 15:19 -0400, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > I had a similar reset problem with a Linksys BEFSR41 V2 (wired router).  At the suggestion of a member I finally prevailed by:  holding reset 30  seconds before energizing,    continuing to hold the reset 30 seconds more (while energized),   and continue holdling reset 30 more seconds after de-energizing. > > Worked for me,   HTH,   Lou Depending on the Router hardware version, this can send the router into "Maintenance Mode". I did this to a WRT54G v5 and it was annoying to fix. There is a KB article on Linksys.com that addresses that problem. If this is your situation, I can look for it again. > ------- Original Message ------- > << snip >> > >I tried the reset switch and power cycling - no luck. Is the router > >dead or can I recover it? Is there a way to get the router  into a default state? > > > >Thanks, -Borries > << snip >> In order to start to determine the problem: -- Which hardware version is it? -- What are the light states on the router? For a v1-v4 the directions above ought to reset the router. For a v5 or v6 router, if you have a continuously flashing power light, then you have bounced into maintenance mode and will require special instructions and will end up re-flashing your router firmware. John From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 2 15:03:57 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 2 15:04:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <1151869554.22782.173.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <200607022003.k62K3vD5031929@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Depending on the Router hardware version, this can send the router into > "Maintenance Mode". I did this to a WRT54G v5 and it was annoying to > fix. There is a KB article on Linksys.com that addresses that problem. > If this is your situation, I can look for it again. I am not sure which version I have. I cannot access anything on this router since the private network never comes up - the router acts as if in pass-through mode - I pull an address from roadrunner when I am plugged into the router. Previously, I used to get a 192.168.1.x address. > In order to start to determine the problem: > -- Which hardware version is it? On the back it says version 2. > -- What are the light states on the router? After going through the routine recommended earlier I get the flashing power light and the MZ light is lit, as well as the Internet light and the port where I have the laptop plugged in. > For a v1-v4 the directions above ought to reset the router. For a v5 or It didn't do it, I tried it twice. > v6 router, if you have a continuously flashing power light, then you > have bounced into maintenance mode and will require special instructions > and will end up re-flashing your router firmware. >From the product label it appears I have version 2. Any other ideas? -Borries From j at jvpappas.net Sun Jul 2 15:11:12 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Jul 2 15:11:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <200607022003.k62K3vD5031929@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200607022003.k62K3vD5031929@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1151871072.22782.175.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Is it a stock router? On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 15:03 -0500, Borries Demeler wrote: > > Depending on the Router hardware version, this can send the router into > > "Maintenance Mode". I did this to a WRT54G v5 and it was annoying to > > fix. There is a KB article on Linksys.com that addresses that problem. > > If this is your situation, I can look for it again. > > I am not sure which version I have. I cannot access anything on this router > since the private network never comes up - the router acts as if in pass-through > mode - I pull an address from roadrunner when I am plugged into the router. > Previously, I used to get a 192.168.1.x address. > > > In order to start to determine the problem: > > -- Which hardware version is it? > > On the back it says version 2. > > > -- What are the light states on the router? > > After going through the routine recommended earlier I get the flashing > power light and the MZ light is lit, as well as the Internet light > and the port where I have the laptop plugged in. > > > For a v1-v4 the directions above ought to reset the router. For a v5 or > > It didn't do it, I tried it twice. > > > v6 router, if you have a continuously flashing power light, then you > > have bounced into maintenance mode and will require special instructions > > and will end up re-flashing your router firmware. > > >From the product label it appears I have version 2. Any other ideas? > > -Borries From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 2 15:14:33 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 2 15:14:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <1151871072.22782.175.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <200607022014.k62KEXdQ000499@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Is it a stock router? As far as I know it is. -borries From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 2 16:09:37 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 2 16:09:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <1151871072.22782.175.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <200607022109.k62L9biD002290@biochem.uthscsa.edu> So I went into Windows and tried to flash the router with the latest firmware. You are going to laugh when you hear what happened. Following the directions of the manufacturer, I put the network card into 192.168.1.50 (static). Then I start the flashing program. The flashing program finds the router and asks for the password. I put my password in and it doesn't work. I click on retry, and use the manufacturer's default password - it works! I proceed to flash the device, which completes without interruption - 100% successful. Now I reboot, reset, power cycle - nothing. I decide to try again to at least "see" the router by using the flashing program. Pops up right away. Now I disconnect the ethernet cable - and the computer continues to talk to the router. But I cannot log into it. Hmm, at this point I'm checking my wireless - sure enough, I flashed someone else's Linksys! Arghhh - I wonder if this is what happened to mine? Needless to say, mine is still screwed up, and I cannot communicate with it. I have no clue how it became like this. Any further suggestions would be helpful. Once I am in maintenance mode - what do I do? -Borries From edcoates at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 18:35:03 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Jul 2 18:35:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan Message-ID: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> I've got a Western Digital WD2500 (250GB) hard drive that seems to run hot all the time. It's been replaced 4 times now, and this last time, it was recommended that I purchase a cooling fan for it. Living in San Angelo, there's not a lot of choices of places to choose from. :) I'm currently in the San Antonio area, and was wondering if there was somewhere local that I could pick one up. Ed From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Jul 2 18:39:00 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Jul 2 18:39:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ed Coates wrote: > I've got a Western Digital WD2500 (250GB) hard drive that seems to run > hot all the time. It's been replaced 4 times now, and this last time, > it was recommended that I purchase a cooling fan for it. Living in > San Angelo, there's not a lot of choices of places to choose from. :) > I'm currently in the San Antonio area, and was wondering if there was > somewhere local that I could pick one up. > Perhaps at altex ( www.altex.com ) or CompUSA I've just had to recover from both of my RAID1 hard drives failing to some degree (one died completely, and the other lost some data.) I noticed that they both seem to run quite hot, even though they're right behind a 120mm fan. I've replaced them with segates, since the seagates had a 5 year warranty on them. I'm hoping not to have these die on me like the others did. I should also set up monitoring so I get notices about bad sectors and such. - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRKhZE8nf+vRw63ObAQI9XQwArxLPKtub2KvA0JhW6nUMzJUCrJPQh9FA SEaXYA440QFDKY5Jf0GrgrZ25ckN3NAnlgxrOyQxBLwmQt4OlLUkvXAOcLRYb/AB 33PG3mJ3cNVnWVV1LT7X1dhzPSpOjqZ5Hv84lW4IY8jBVivwuEoR0xLTlCNl6ZRe znqDgWiYP7n1fmGmkyA5RQLSW+TYuvPjjVX72Ivqtk4bRdHVuh3ZfKf4rJunP11+ eO0JgismTpV3YKgqrCkbjPLZpg7NccBli4352NF8NrJaY+DXhBxjqQHgxjeTeZTo 1e9aWF7rL02RBTHuMBpBySKab+qPKrITJdwkoMZbxo1Ee7lufIWBOIXJG9/pSNmL IjhD1eQxY6H9cbc2uGAVXidQh29Cpg5IlOOFSLwAGLtMXReiDdMJHG9vdDX3Uo6E mtnjm7aSH94CFx1Kd4IvooezuWzWq5Th4QkQDsYD/Jfl9SoyMLqSLX+LNZ6rre2k XMjsitoT2MYecofKoa0kgz6b9yM6K6CY =++31 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 19:37:31 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jul 2 19:37:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Script to shorten file names? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607020834ld9aaf84lde16b7cdb73c55af@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0607020834ld9aaf84lde16b7cdb73c55af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can do it in one line of perl. See the "rename.pl" script. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sun Jul 2 20:17:16 2006 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun Jul 2 20:18:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c69e3e$7e4686b0$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Try this... NBC ran this story on the today show first and I believe that their network is able to handle as much traffic as you want to throw at it...well it is co-opted by MS so it'll probably need to reboot every couple of hours. Ha! -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Pearson Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 1:12 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? On 7/2/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol > > :-) > -- This URL is unreachable today. The message at: << http://insignificantthoughts.com/>> "We'll be right back. As soon as the server cools off. We were Digged and in the New York Times on the same day and blew through 12 Gigabytes of bandwidth and 700,000+ hits in 12 hours. I'll be back, but I have to give my server a rest so the other. folks on it don't kill me. See you soon, and sorry for being too damn famous for my own good ;-) Fame sucks!" -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sun Jul 2 20:23:20 2006 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun Jul 2 20:24:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <200607022109.k62L9biD002290@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <000801c69e3f$57868600$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Uhm...for starters...OOPS. Secondly...never try flashing your router via your wireless connection. Use a wired connection. Whenever my wireless connection acts up like that, I try rebooting the wireless device first, I try rebooting my router via a wired connection next, and finally I yank the power cord on the router. I have a Linksys with DD-WRT. It runs like champ...it should...it's mine and you know my last name :) -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Borries Demeler Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:10 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: Re: RE : [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G So I went into Windows and tried to flash the router with the latest firmware. You are going to laugh when you hear what happened. Following the directions of the manufacturer, I put the network card into 192.168.1.50 (static). Then I start the flashing program. The flashing program finds the router and asks for the password. I put my password in and it doesn't work. I click on retry, and use the manufacturer's default password - it works! I proceed to flash the device, which completes without interruption - 100% successful. Now I reboot, reset, power cycle - nothing. I decide to try again to at least "see" the router by using the flashing program. Pops up right away. Now I disconnect the ethernet cable - and the computer continues to talk to the router. But I cannot log into it. Hmm, at this point I'm checking my wireless - sure enough, I flashed someone else's Linksys! Arghhh - I wonder if this is what happened to mine? Needless to say, mine is still screwed up, and I cannot communicate with it. I have no clue how it became like this. Any further suggestions would be helpful. Once I am in maintenance mode - what do I do? -Borries -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 2 20:35:56 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 2 20:36:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <000801c69e3f$57868600$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <200607030135.k631Zu8o028817@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Uhm...for starters...OOPS. > > Secondly...never try flashing your router via your wireless connection. Use > a wired connection. Well, duh... I *thought* I was going through the cat5. I didn't realize someone in my neighborhood ran the same exact model as I did - plus that I would pick it up. > Whenever my wireless connection acts up like that, I try rebooting the > wireless device first, I try rebooting my router via a wired connection > next, and finally I yank the power cord on the router. The problem is that the router is invisible on the net. I can't talk to it over any protocol/address, it merely passes through any network. > I have a Linksys with DD-WRT. It runs like champ...it should...it's mine and > you know my last name :) So far mine was like this until yesterday. Oh well, probably need to replace it. Rebooting, powercycling, resetting etc. all were useless on this router. Is there any other way to talk to the router and get it to respond with a network? -Borries From vern.davis at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 21:14:35 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Sun Jul 2 21:14:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <000801c69e3f$57868600$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> References: <200607022109.k62L9biD002290@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <000801c69e3f$57868600$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <5ef09f10607021914vbb5e522h82a04804520389fe@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/06, John Champion wrote: > Uhm...for starters...OOPS. > > Secondly...never try flashing your router via your wireless connection. Use > a wired connection. > > Whenever my wireless connection acts up like that, I try rebooting the > wireless device first, I try rebooting my router via a wired connection > next, and finally I yank the power cord on the router. > > I have a Linksys with DD-WRT. It runs like champ...it should...it's mine and > you know my last name :) > > John I agree with your assessment of the DD-WRT firmware http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php - it's slicker'n owl snot on a brass doorknob in a hurricane! And Sir Borries; if you're going to have to flash it anyway, I'd suggest DD-WRT instead of the stock firmware. Here's some good info for flashing; http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/DD-WRT_Docu_%28EN%29 And there's lots of info under a google search for debricking a wrt54g. Hopefully it's not bricked - they aren't heavy enough to use for a doorstop. -- vern.davis@gmail.com From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 22:37:57 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jul 2 22:37:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] split myth - can you put db on another system but not backend? Message-ID: So I'm playing around with mythtv, and wondering if I can put the MySQL server on another machine, one that doesn't have a myth port, so it can't run mythbackend. Anyone know? -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From jtiner at satx.rr.com Sun Jul 2 23:06:12 2006 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (james) Date: Sun Jul 2 23:05:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] split myth - can you put db on another system but not backend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151899573.5407.11.camel@james-desktop> This sounds like a job for Super MythTV man!!! Just wait for it and he (tweeks) should be able to help you out... :) When it comes to Myth and Tom, I must bow and chant "I'm not worthy" ... ;) On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 22:37 -0500, Travis H. wrote: > So I'm playing around with mythtv, and wondering if I can put the > MySQL server on another machine, one that doesn't have a myth port, so > it can't run mythbackend. > > Anyone know? > -- > Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. > Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From vern.davis at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 23:45:05 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Sun Jul 2 23:45:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] split myth - can you put db on another system but not backend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ef09f10607022145q4862c22l4de9cbd2c96760b5@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/06, Travis H. wrote: > So I'm playing around with mythtv, and wondering if I can put the > MySQL server on another machine, one that doesn't have a myth port, so > it can't run mythbackend. > > Anyone know? > -- I found out (The Hard Way) that the machine running mythbackend has to have a tuner card. As near as I can tell, the machine with the database must be running mythbackend, and vice versa. I'm not sure if that answers the question. -- vern.davis@gmail.com PS: Sure hope that SMTVM (Super Myth TV Man) chimes in soon! From satlugacct at jchampion.com Mon Jul 3 03:01:31 2006 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Mon Jul 3 03:02:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10607021914vbb5e522h82a04804520389fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c69e76$f91c9f90$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Borries, try this Yahoo group...http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WRT54G/ Or you can also try the forums at dd-wrt. I would recommend trying to restore the box before giving up on it completely. I've even read about shorting two jumpers within the router to restore it back to normal -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Vern Davis Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:15 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: RE : [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G On 7/2/06, John Champion wrote: > Uhm...for starters...OOPS. > > Secondly...never try flashing your router via your wireless > connection. Use a wired connection. > > Whenever my wireless connection acts up like that, I try rebooting the > wireless device first, I try rebooting my router via a wired > connection next, and finally I yank the power cord on the router. > > I have a Linksys with DD-WRT. It runs like champ...it should...it's > mine and you know my last name :) > > John I agree with your assessment of the DD-WRT firmware http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php - it's slicker'n owl snot on a brass doorknob in a hurricane! And Sir Borries; if you're going to have to flash it anyway, I'd suggest DD-WRT instead of the stock firmware. Here's some good info for flashing; http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/DD-WRT_Docu_%28EN%29 And there's lots of info under a google search for debricking a wrt54g. Hopefully it's not bricked - they aren't heavy enough to use for a doorstop. -- vern.davis@gmail.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jul 3 07:47:09 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Jul 3 07:47:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <000401c69e76$f91c9f90$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <200607031247.k63Cl9NU010188@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Vern and John, thanks for your good tips! I will pursue them and see if I cannot revive the router. It looks like a pretty straight-forward procedure. I will let you know if I succeed with your suggestions. Thanks again, -Borries > > Borries, try this Yahoo group...http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WRT54G/ > Or you can also try the forums at dd-wrt. > > I would recommend trying to restore the box before giving up on it > completely. > > I've even read about shorting two jumpers within the router to restore it > back to normal > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Vern Davis > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:15 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: RE : [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G > > On 7/2/06, John Champion wrote: > > Uhm...for starters...OOPS. > > > > Secondly...never try flashing your router via your wireless > > connection. Use a wired connection. > > > > Whenever my wireless connection acts up like that, I try rebooting the > > wireless device first, I try rebooting my router via a wired > > connection next, and finally I yank the power cord on the router. > > > > I have a Linksys with DD-WRT. It runs like champ...it should...it's > > mine and you know my last name :) > > > > > > John I agree with your assessment of the DD-WRT firmware > http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php - it's slicker'n owl snot on a > brass doorknob in a hurricane! > > And Sir Borries; if you're going to have to flash it anyway, I'd suggest > DD-WRT instead of the stock firmware. Here's some good info for flashing; > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/DD-WRT_Docu_%28EN%29 > > And there's lots of info under a google search for debricking a wrt54g. > > Hopefully it's not bricked - they aren't heavy enough to use for a doorstop. > > -- > vern.davis@gmail.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by > Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From rhermida at panam.edu Mon Jul 3 08:26:35 2006 From: rhermida at panam.edu (Ramon Hermida) Date: Mon Jul 3 08:27:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? In-Reply-To: <000701c69e3e$7e4686b0$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <000001c69ea4$4ead1930$aa14a8c0@ds.utpa.edu> Better yet ... interview via YouTube, a lot funnier too :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIVZ9b0RgmY Regards -RH -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of John Champion Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:17 PM To: 'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List' Subject: RE: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? Try this... NBC ran this story on the today show first and I believe that their network is able to handle as much traffic as you want to throw at it...well it is co-opted by MS so it'll probably need to reboot every couple of hours. Ha! -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Pearson Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 1:12 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? On 7/2/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol > > :-) > -- This URL is unreachable today. The message at: << http://insignificantthoughts.com/>> "We'll be right back. As soon as the server cools off. We were Digged and in the New York Times on the same day and blew through 12 Gigabytes of bandwidth and 700,000+ hits in 12 hours. I'll be back, but I have to give my server a rest so the other. folks on it don't kill me. See you soon, and sorry for being too damn famous for my own good ;-) Fame sucks!" -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 3 08:33:55 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Mon Jul 3 08:35:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? In-Reply-To: References: <200607021339.k62DdCE6015286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <44A91CC3.4000706@satx.rr.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > On 7/2/06, Borries Demeler wrote: >> http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol >> >> :-) >> -- > > This URL is unreachable today. The message at: > << http://insignificantthoughts.com/>> > > "We'll be right back. As soon as the server cools off. > > We were Digged and in the New York Times on the same day and blew through > 12 Gigabytes of bandwidth and 700,000+ hits in 12 hours. I'll be back, > but I have to give my server a rest so the other. > folks on it don't kill me. See you soon, and sorry for being too damn > famous for my own good ;-) > > Fame sucks!" It's back From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 3 08:47:30 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Mon Jul 3 08:49:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan In-Reply-To: <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> References: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <44A91FF2.6030900@satx.rr.com> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ed Coates wrote: > >> I've got a Western Digital WD2500 (250GB) hard drive that seems to run >> hot all the time. It's been replaced 4 times now, and this last time, >> it was recommended that I purchase a cooling fan for it. Living in >> San Angelo, there's not a lot of choices of places to choose from. :) >> I'm currently in the San Antonio area, and was wondering if there was >> somewhere local that I could pick one up. >> >> > > Perhaps at altex ( www.altex.com ) > or CompUSA > > I've just had to recover from both of my RAID1 hard drives failing to > some degree (one died completely, and the other lost some data.) I > noticed that they both seem to run quite hot, even though they're right > behind a 120mm fan. I've replaced them with segates, since the seagates > had a 5 year warranty on them. I'm hoping not to have these die on me > like the others did. I should also set up monitoring so I get notices > about bad sectors and such. > > > > > After losing a couple of drives, I learned my lesson. I bought 5.25" fan enclosures for all my hard drives (well, desktops, anyway). They are "CoolDrives" from CoolerMaster, I think. You mount the drives in them, and the plate that is on the "top" of the drive has a large pad of the stuff used to connect heat sinks to CPUs. There a radiator fins on top and bottom, and a small fan at the front which pulls a good quantity of air through. It dropped the temp of each drive about 10 degrees. A quick check at Compusa.com indicates they are no longer available, but there are hard drive coolers ranging from $10 to $50. From comptech3 at mikeester.com Mon Jul 3 08:55:55 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (Michael Ester) Date: Mon Jul 3 08:55:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Ever tried to cancel an AOL account? In-Reply-To: References: <200607021339.k62DdCE6015286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <20060703085555.657eb5b3@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:12:28 -0500 "Robert Pearson" wrote: > On 7/2/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > > http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol > > > > :-) > > -- > > This URL is unreachable today. The message at: > << http://insignificantthoughts.com/>> > > "We'll be right back. As soon as the server cools off. > Behold the amazing power of Slashdot. :D From robertc3 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 10:57:11 2006 From: robertc3 at hotmail.com (robertc3) Date: Mon Jul 3 10:57:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Provide access to files on the lan Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a solution to providing access to files on the LAN via the web securely? Most of the files we want to provide access to are stored on several Windows file servers so whatever we use has to support NTFS acl's. Thanks, Robert From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Jul 3 11:37:44 2006 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Jul 3 11:37:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan Message-ID: <73fd0e00bdf84847aa97cc85c45c4da3.scs@worldlinkisp.com> If you;re still looking, check the pride of Katy, TX < bestbyte.net >.  If you have a spare 5.25" bay check the Zalman 1HC2 & 2HC2 using heat pipes.  If you want to stick with the 3.5: bay look at the EVC-SLB  ($3.50) using a small fan mounted below the drive.  I'd probably try the EVC-SLB first it may do the trick.  The Zalman heat pipes sink off some heat, efficiency is contingent on good air flow inside the case. The older Cooler Master DCD-400x series seems to have vanished, they were a large 5.25" finned aluminum heat sink that worked good, and could be tweaked to work even better if you shimmed the top area of the drive to provide addition heat transfer contact.  It used two small fans for circulation, but they were too small to move much air (9.2 CFM). HTH  Lou ------- Original Message ------- >From : Ed Coates[mailto:edcoates@gmail.com] I've got a Western Digital WD2500 (250GB) hard drive that seems to run >hot all the time. It's been replaced 4 times now, and this last time, >it was recommended that I purchase a cooling fan for it. From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 12:31:01 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jul 3 12:31:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Provide access to files on the lan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/3/06, robertc3 wrote: > Can anyone recommend a solution to providing access to files on the LAN via > the web securely? Most of the files we want to provide access to are stored > on several Windows file servers so whatever we use has to support NTFS > acl's. Can you be more specific? What kind of access? Read-only? Modify? Delete? The same set of files available to everyone? Or do you need a network equivalent of user IDs? Are they all in the same Windows domain? If not, then you are going to have a hard time even defining the network-wide user ID. Secure against what? Secure as in confidential, authentic, authorized, availabile, integrity-protected, reliable, audited, immutable, ... ? Authenticate the clients, or the server, or both? Via the web meaning via a web browser, or another application that uses HTTP? Off the top of my head, if you mean read-only access, then a web server with client certificates would do the trick. Maybe WebDAV is appropriate... not really sure what it is, but I think it's relevant. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From robertc3 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 15:13:06 2006 From: robertc3 at hotmail.com (robertc3) Date: Mon Jul 3 15:13:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Provide access to files on the lan References: Message-ID: "Travis H." wrote: > On 7/3/06, robertc3 wrote: >> Can anyone recommend a solution to providing access to files on the LAN >> via >> the web securely? Most of the files we want to provide access to are >> stored >> on several Windows file servers so whatever we use has to support NTFS >> acl's. > > Can you be more specific? What kind of access? Read-only? Modify? > Delete? Really read-only would be fine. > The same set of files available to everyone? Or do you need a network > equivalent of user IDs? Are they all in the same Windows domain? If > not, then you are going to have a hard time even defining the > network-wide user ID. Network equivalent of user ID's from the same Windows domain. > Secure against what? Secure as in confidential, authentic, > authorized, availabile, integrity-protected, reliable, audited, > immutable, ... ? Authenticate the clients, or the server, or both? > Via the web meaning via a web browser, or another application that > uses HTTP? Confidential, authorized for sure. Audited would be nice. Authenticate the clients via web browser. > Off the top of my head, if you mean read-only access, then a web > server with client certificates would do the trick. Maybe WebDAV is > appropriate... not really sure what it is, but I think it's relevant. I didn't even think about WebDAV. That would probably be the simplest thing to implement. Thanks, Robert From e2eiod at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 16:03:57 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Mon Jul 3 16:04:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] how google does it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/28/06, Travis H. wrote: > Just in case you're wondering... > > http://storagemojo.com/?page_id=152 > -- I was wondering more along the lines of: "Who Knew? Storage Costs Are All Over The Map" <> Increasing Storage capacity, whether individually or for the Enterprise, has the same result. It raises TCO (Total Cost of Ownership). There are the obvious costs such as initial purchase price and installation. It is the infrastructure "hidden" costs that are hard to find. To get a rough number for these "hidden" costs, I have a concept called "The Speed Limit of the Information Universe". The "Speed Limit" in any shop is a function of the TCO of the infrastructure. Basically the size of your IT wallet. You can use the "Speed Limit" to accurately calculate the Storage cost. An example would be, you need a "Speed Limit" of 1 TB/hour (Terabyte per hour) to deliver your Managed Units of Information to requestors with Information High Availability, and to satisfy the Information Integrity and Disaster Recovery requirements for the Managed Units of Information. One TB/hour is very expensive. 1 TB is 300 MBps (Megabytes per second). Most shops have less than 100 GB/hour (~30 MBps) for a usable "Speed Limit". This is because the bandwidth of the "endpoint" devices (disk, tape) is slow. Until Gigabit and 10 Gigabit Ethernet the network was slow. An example is, when you raise your Storage capacity from 2 MB to 2 GB per individual your Enterprise "Speed Limit" has to go up to accommodate the incremental Storage increase. The 2 MB to 2 GB Storage increase is 10x10x10 or three orders of magnitude increase. If the "Speed Limit" is a linear relationship then the 100 GB "Speed Limit" would have to increase by more than 10x10x10 or 1000x100 GB to more than 100 TB/hour from 1 TB/hour. Very expensive! A "Search Engine" shop like Google is the reverse of this case. Google has to have an incredible internal "Speed Limit" (bandwidth) to deliver Search Request Information in a timely manner. Since they were having to buy much larger areal density drives out of necessity they had surplus capacity. Very innovative and ingenious use. From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Jul 3 16:56:34 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Jul 3 16:56:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan In-Reply-To: <44A91FF2.6030900@satx.rr.com> References: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> <44A91FF2.6030900@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44A99292.6000802@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mitch Thompson wrote: > > > David Kowis wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Ed Coates wrote: >> >>> I've got a Western Digital WD2500 (250GB) hard drive that seems to run >>> hot all the time. It's been replaced 4 times now, and this last time, >>> it was recommended that I purchase a cooling fan for it. Living in >>> San Angelo, there's not a lot of choices of places to choose from. :) >>> I'm currently in the San Antonio area, and was wondering if there was >>> somewhere local that I could pick one up. >>> >>> >> >> Perhaps at altex ( www.altex.com ) >> or CompUSA >> >> I've just had to recover from both of my RAID1 hard drives failing to >> some degree (one died completely, and the other lost some data.) I >> noticed that they both seem to run quite hot, even though they're right >> behind a 120mm fan. I've replaced them with segates, since the seagates >> had a 5 year warranty on them. I'm hoping not to have these die on me >> like the others did. I should also set up monitoring so I get notices >> about bad sectors and such. >> >> >> >> >> > After losing a couple of drives, I learned my lesson. I bought 5.25" > fan enclosures for all my hard drives (well, desktops, anyway). They > are "CoolDrives" from CoolerMaster, I think. You mount the drives in > them, and the plate that is on the "top" of the drive has a large pad of > the stuff used to connect heat sinks to CPUs. There a radiator fins on > top and bottom, and a small fan at the front which pulls a good quantity > of air through. It dropped the temp of each drive about 10 degrees. > > A quick check at Compusa.com indicates they are no longer available, but > there are hard drive coolers ranging from $10 to $50. I might invest in that. I've got the space in the case I'm using. it's got 6 5-1/4 bays. And if those guys are quieter than the 120mm fan (which isn't very) then that'd be nice too ;) Thanks, - -- David Kowis +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Cauldron Component Lead | | SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org | | | | Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying | | to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRKmSksnf+vRw63ObAQK8cAv/YZMjbOuMFODdJK9J65/cQPEUqu01Gz0R Y/7v7Ff8at2qTWIp7UscT199IBcb4rYU77eNhU37gIWBa0BDGkbf5uL98DyYiyU0 HQqVsK07F5aZG4DV/XSFXz1yzTe8MFtjxbdDWOnle/+NfGZgo3nVTPOWNYXBNbSf tZ4AFwRyl816wu4dWz8v0ySk57I75O+q1IllxC6VFM2KmAUHCV3dND6XvRFaLMyC TJjLRU5ugBQpFLKoizONVLz2i+UN2YgTbYgD0uaOtuSWBJbUfecBqPu4y/qUBFf7 3eGV1pSE/RW+0UflXjC55hzbrd92z+kvAmRlpqZ4dnyj+KE8URHGY2efEj2ae2wu TsMcfhUscEdCLF4xNS6HudqrVhX4JyFs0xdSD4ToS/Auh+siO8zcM2bjHNrWQgOk rXu1DkdU2g08FL9Zmj/QtqEUk6Z2SI2/PJU6Gh2GYMS/6/mO/Z3/HG0KYBzEGEaV Xs0R5iUkBTYwIl9t43bMthW2iuATj7Tv =1lU4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 3 19:27:47 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Mon Jul 3 19:27:57 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan In-Reply-To: <44A99292.6000802@shlrm.org> References: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> <44A91FF2.6030900@satx.rr.com> <44A99292.6000802@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <44A9B603.6060205@satx.rr.com> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mitch Thompson wrote: > >> >> After losing a couple of drives, I learned my lesson. I bought 5.25" >> fan enclosures for all my hard drives (well, desktops, anyway). They >> are "CoolDrives" from CoolerMaster, I think. You mount the drives in >> them, and the plate that is on the "top" of the drive has a large pad of >> the stuff used to connect heat sinks to CPUs. There a radiator fins on >> top and bottom, and a small fan at the front which pulls a good quantity >> of air through. It dropped the temp of each drive about 10 degrees. >> >> A quick check at Compusa.com indicates they are no longer available, but >> there are hard drive coolers ranging from $10 to $50. >> > I might invest in that. I've got the space in the case I'm using. it's > got 6 5-1/4 bays. And if those guys are quieter than the 120mm fan > (which isn't very) then that'd be nice too ;) > > Not sure about the noise factor, since there are 4 other fans in the computer (two case, CPU, and PS). Even at all that, it's still fairly quiet, I guess. Of course, thanks to some years on the flightline I've got a bit of hearing loss, so.... Speaking of fans, has anyone been to ACS recently? There is a case there with a HUGE fan on the side. It's almost the size of the side panel itself. I asked the sales guy if they had sold many, and he said no. It looked like it could suck enough air to cause the case to collapse ;^). Mitch From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Jul 3 23:45:37 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Mon Jul 3 23:45:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Provide access to files on the lan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200607032345.38060.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 03 July 2006 10:57, robertc3 wrote: > Can anyone recommend a solution to providing access to files on the LAN via > the web securely? Most of the files we want to provide access to are > stored on several Windows file servers so whatever we use has to support > NTFS acl's. One of the guys in XCSSA discussed this little charm that might fit your bill: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817146067 Allows SMB mounting, plus r/o rw access via FTP, HTTP and direct connect USB. Pretty sweet! Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jul 4 00:17:37 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jul 4 00:17:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] split myth - can you put db on another system but not backend? In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10607022145q4862c22l4de9cbd2c96760b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ef09f10607022145q4862c22l4de9cbd2c96760b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607040017.38324.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 02 July 2006 23:45, Vern Davis wrote: > I found out (The Hard Way) that the machine running mythbackend has to > have a tuner card. Traditionally.. yes. Although (IIRC) you can have various master and slave backend servers. But yes.. each backend server needs at least one tuner card of some type. Here's a really good ref. on the subject: http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/cs427/MythTV+Architecture+Overview http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/cs427/MythTV+Architecture+Styles+and+Patterns > As near as I can tell, the machine with the database must be running > mythbackend, and vice versa. Usually.. without a basic config, this is the desired setup (MySQL running on the master backend server). However I bet you could hack it up to run on a separate machine than the master.. But for stability reasons.. I would recommend against it (shared network with streaming video could be bad). What are you trying to accomplish here? If is get all the spinning disks out of your living room TV area.. there's a better way. Make your /video partition a mount point for NFS. I have a friend running this config and he has a 1.5TB LVM RAID array upstairs that he stores all the data on. That way the backend and front end run on the same physical box, but all the noisy hot storage with local tape drives, etc are all in another room. :) If you do this, just be sure that you tweak NFS to have a very large r/w sizes... and before you ask.. No.. Don't use SAMBA/CIFS. Stateful is bad in real time apps. > PS: Sure hope that SMTVM (Super Myth TV Man) chimes in soon! You guys give me waay to much credit.. I learned enough to be dangerous.. and then just lectured and wrote a bit about my experiences... ;) There are more smart/quiet people on this list than you think.. heh Opening one's mouth does not a guru make.. However it is an effiecient way to discover the boundaries of your own knowledge.. the hard way.. ask me how I know.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jul 4 00:29:11 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jul 4 00:29:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] best high-security server disto? In-Reply-To: <44A52C0F.5090603@satx.rr.com> References: <20060629144226.13996.qmail@web54315.mail.yahoo.com> <200606292302.50314.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <44A52C0F.5090603@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200607040029.12287.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 30 June 2006 08:50, Mitch Thompson wrote: > Tom Weeks wrote: > > On Thursday 29 June 2006 15:53, Mitch Thompson wrote: > >> I miss my A2000... > > > > Ahh yes.... The good ole "kly".. hehe > > > > Tweeks > > I bought my A2000 in 1989, along with a 40 MB hard drive and an 8 MB > memory expansion kit, for $2000 (took out a signature loan to get it). I got my A500 in 1987... It was my main Amiga until 1999. Hacked it into a tower case, GVP 68030 accel and hard drive system.. Did a write up on it (without a spell checker) here: http://theweeks.org/toms-stuff/TOP1.html http://theweeks.org/toms-stuff/TOP2.html http://theweeks.org/toms-stuff/TOP2.html http://theweeks.org/toms-stuff/AMY3.html Fun fun... I still get a lot of Amiga tech questions... Mostly from Europe though. > the 12 years I had it. When I switched to Linux and an Intel system, I > sold almost everything on eBay for abut $250 total. Yeah... I couldn't sell mine either.. too much love.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jul 4 00:33:20 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jul 4 00:33:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Road Runner Speed Increase In-Reply-To: <869de8470606301553g2ce85a3dk151ed6a8cba556de@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A29258.7090805@satx.rr.com> <1151685782.22782.126.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <869de8470606301553g2ce85a3dk151ed6a8cba556de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607040033.20440.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 30 June 2006 17:53, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Stupid question, how do you use chargen to do a bandwidth test? Turn on chargen on your server like this: chkconfig chargen on test it my telnetting to port 19. If it looks ok.. now from a remote machine run "bwtest ". Get and compile bwtest from here: http://www.clavister.com/support/support_utilities_bwtest.html Be careful about running this on small or wireless networks. If not properly rate limited.. it will take down many wifi networks.. some hard. Use responsibly, and at your own risk. Tweeks From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Jul 4 08:19:18 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Jul 4 08:19:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <000401c69e76$f91c9f90$6601a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <200607041319.k64DJIQ8005036@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Guys, I have investigated pretty much every method except the JTAG method of debricking my router without success. Still a brick. Anybody here wants to take a shot at it? It's a version 2.0 with a flashing power LED and the DMZ light lit. Also: Any recommendations for a new router? -Borries > > Borries, try this Yahoo group...http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WRT54G/ > Or you can also try the forums at dd-wrt. > > I would recommend trying to restore the box before giving up on it > completely. > > I've even read about shorting two jumpers within the router to restore it > back to normal > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Vern Davis > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:15 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: RE : [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G > > On 7/2/06, John Champion wrote: > > Uhm...for starters...OOPS. > > > > Secondly...never try flashing your router via your wireless > > connection. Use a wired connection. > > > > Whenever my wireless connection acts up like that, I try rebooting the > > wireless device first, I try rebooting my router via a wired > > connection next, and finally I yank the power cord on the router. > > > > I have a Linksys with DD-WRT. It runs like champ...it should...it's > > mine and you know my last name :) > > > > > > John I agree with your assessment of the DD-WRT firmware > http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php - it's slicker'n owl snot on a > brass doorknob in a hurricane! > > And Sir Borries; if you're going to have to flash it anyway, I'd suggest > DD-WRT instead of the stock firmware. Here's some good info for flashing; > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/DD-WRT_Docu_%28EN%29 > > And there's lots of info under a google search for debricking a wrt54g. > > Hopefully it's not bricked - they aren't heavy enough to use for a doorstop. > > -- > vern.davis@gmail.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by > Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Jul 4 14:04:02 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Jul 4 14:04:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan In-Reply-To: <44A9B603.6060205@satx.rr.com> References: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> <44A91FF2.6030900@satx.rr.com> <44A99292.6000802@shlrm.org> <44A9B603.6060205@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44AABBA2.1000901@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mitch Thompson wrote: > Not sure about the noise factor, since there are 4 other fans in the > computer (two case, CPU, and PS). Even at all that, it's still fairly > quiet, I guess. > > Of course, thanks to some years on the flightline I've got a bit of > hearing loss, so.... > > Speaking of fans, has anyone been to ACS recently? There is a case > there with a HUGE fan on the side. It's almost the size of the side > panel itself. I asked the sales guy if they had sold many, and he said > no. It looked like it could suck enough air to cause the case to > collapse ;^). I guess you speak of this: http://www.askacs.com/detailspages/CSMONO.htm that is a bigass fan. Probably slow tho. - -- David Kowis +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Cauldron Component Lead | | SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org | | | | Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying | | to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRKq7osnf+vRw63ObAQK+8wwArEBKmUQghxOSKLMeTje9legehxsA5Dto AgvWn9UUgHammWUqmaFOjPsNG16yx26J6ZK5p64X1XHlWgDkwAUkbmURynBO/0kz 1h8vJqkIigeTK54qkYHD/1gdnOPdyTqdCiD9dpqofEQpDrtgxyl7zGeaeZwxdA9J NwfaCODw0j3VU1DIAsRu6fEsWnNb1/BaBmXRxhC1jF344nuYK4dd21UQGjn4eKhV mZKmxbwe3+jomVbK+fJOmKfU1T+6pfDCBxbeLwM8aI+xWZCOP6bcd2kT6m5ceCJ1 1Qpa7RZU6/KXDVou3OOiezmZcavRiiXZZYxVD9UvPDxJx9JvaNM2i1pOyN4RxCOZ BjyMDN0L/HH9p3FNodfD4W01eO7q/KvgDvGQvBsnFS5moBhUyN5cFfAsjLeKIhPz 954xD7VbT45sFsl7hxsibSZoeohcex7aRDUkvsx2PxQr0F/7bUeLSTH65xqqPQIC krXOM1oLeZkC5nRfnWEPrxCFyZ3U54+f =9NOw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jul 4 15:45:51 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jul 4 15:45:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan In-Reply-To: <44AABBA2.1000901@shlrm.org> References: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> <44A91FF2.6030900@satx.rr.com> <44A99292.6000802@shlrm.org> <44A9B603.6060205@satx.rr.com> <44AABBA2.1000901@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <44AAD37F.1000105@satx.rr.com> David Kowis wrote: > Mitch Thompson wrote: >>> Not sure about the noise factor, since there are 4 other fans in the >>> computer (two case, CPU, and PS). Even at all that, it's still fairly >>> quiet, I guess. >>> >>> Of course, thanks to some years on the flightline I've got a bit of >>> hearing loss, so.... >>> >>> Speaking of fans, has anyone been to ACS recently? There is a case >>> there with a HUGE fan on the side. It's almost the size of the side >>> panel itself. I asked the sales guy if they had sold many, and he said >>> no. It looked like it could suck enough air to cause the case to >>> collapse ;^). > > I guess you speak of this: > http://www.askacs.com/detailspages/CSMONO.htm > > that is a bigass fan. Probably slow tho. Yes, that is the one. I'm not an engineer, but I think the theory behind this is that a larger fan can move the same amount of air by turning slower, and is thus quieter. -- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibility, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato -- Mitch Thompson, San Antonio, Texas//WB5UZG Red Hat Certified Engineer From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 18:13:27 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 4 18:13:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan In-Reply-To: <44AAD37F.1000105@satx.rr.com> References: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> <44A91FF2.6030900@satx.rr.com> <44A99292.6000802@shlrm.org> <44A9B603.6060205@satx.rr.com> <44AABBA2.1000901@shlrm.org> <44AAD37F.1000105@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0607041613y7db2aa28g239f4ae02154463b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions. Due to time constraints I just jetted on into Comp USA and picked up one there. San Angelo is nice, but I do sometimes miss the ability to be able to shop for things that aren't so common. :) E From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jul 4 23:12:30 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jul 4 23:12:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <200607041319.k64DJIQ8005036@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200607041319.k64DJIQ8005036@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1152072751.7702.42.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:19 -0500, Borries Demeler wrote: > Guys, > > I have investigated pretty much every method except the JTAG method > of debricking my router without success. Still a brick. Anybody > here wants to take a shot at it? It's a version 2.0 with a flashing > power LED and the DMZ light lit. Man. That sucks. Have you called Linksys Tech support? Check this for some good debricking info: http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=33 If you don't want to try, I would like to (I am silly like that), so let me know if you are interested in allowing me. > Also: Any recommendations for a new router? I am investigating the WRV200. Evidently, it runs on linux, but there is not any info at linksysinfo.org regarding either hackiblity nor actual hardware contents. Otherwise, the WRT series are all nice (and hackable). Thanks! John From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jul 5 07:20:02 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jul 5 07:20:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <1152072751.7702.42.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <200607051220.k65CK27R031455@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Man. That sucks. Have you called Linksys Tech support? > Check this for some good debricking info: > http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=33 Thanks, I haven't tried tip3, if that doesn't work, you are welcome to try it. I'll mail you if I don't succeed. Thanks, -Borries > > If you don't want to try, I would like to (I am silly like that), so let > me know if you are interested in allowing me. > > > Also: Any recommendations for a new router? > > I am investigating the WRV200. Evidently, it runs on linux, but there > is not any info at linksysinfo.org regarding either hackiblity nor > actual hardware contents. > > Otherwise, the WRT series are all nice (and hackable). > > Thanks! > John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jul 5 09:41:37 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jul 5 09:44:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] linksys wrt 54G In-Reply-To: <200607051220.k65CK27R031455@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200607051220.k65CK27R031455@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1152110497.7702.56.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 07:20 -0500, Borries Demeler wrote: > > Man. That sucks. Have you called Linksys Tech support? > > Check this for some good debricking info: > > http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=33 > > Thanks, I haven't tried tip3, if that doesn't work, you are welcome > to try it. I'll mail you if I don't succeed. > > Thanks, > -Borries Cool! From robertc3 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 5 12:20:50 2006 From: robertc3 at hotmail.com (robertc3) Date: Wed Jul 5 12:20:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Provide access to files on the lan References: Message-ID: For those interested, I ended up using http://smbwebclient.sourceforge.net to provide access to the files on the LAN with SSL and Basic apache auth. Robert From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Jul 5 17:56:16 2006 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Wed Jul 5 17:53:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards Message-ID: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> Help. I have a user that insists sending e-mails: all in red is ok, using words in all caps is ok, using multiple punctuation marks together is ok, etc... I need help in finding a standard for e-mails. I seem to remember reading a RFC on this once, but my memory fails me on the number. If you have anything please send me a link. Thanks, Steve From me at josh-kerr.com Wed Jul 5 17:57:24 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Wed Jul 5 17:57:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards In-Reply-To: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <1152140245.5077.0.camel@localhost> I don't know of a standard per-say but I do know that ALL CAPS make spam filter go crazy. Thanks, Spam Filters Anonymous On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 17:56 -0500, steve kolars wrote: > Help. > > I have a user that insists sending e-mails: all in red is ok, using > words in all caps is ok, using multiple punctuation marks together is > ok, etc... I need help in finding a standard for e-mails. I seem to > remember reading a RFC on this once, but my memory fails me on the > number. If you have anything please send me a link. > > Thanks, > Steve > From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 18:16:54 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:16:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Provide access to files on the lan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060705231654.29363.qmail@web32009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> too bad the files are on windows. you could have used scp (secure copy). robertc3 wrote: Can anyone recommend a solution to providing access to files on the LAN via the web securely? Most of the files we want to provide access to are stored on several Windows file servers so whatever we use has to support NTFS acl's. Thanks, Robert -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Jul 5 20:27:37 2006 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Jul 5 20:28:02 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards In-Reply-To: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <44AC6709.1080400@futuretechsolutions.com> I don't have much help for the text being all in red, except that you may want to compose your e-mails to her all in a bright yellow that is difficult to read on a white background. As for the all-caps and punctuation, buy and mail her a 2nd grade English grammar book. Yes, I know that can be seen as a bit of a "kick in the teeth" way of letting someone know just how much intelligence they are showing in their posts. Charlie steve kolars wrote: > Help. > > I have a user that insists sending e-mails: all in red is ok, using > words in all caps is ok, using multiple punctuation marks together is > ok, etc... I need help in finding a standard for e-mails. I seem to > remember reading a RFC on this once, but my memory fails me on the > number. If you have anything please send me a link. > > Thanks, > Steve > From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 21:31:09 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jul 5 21:31:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards In-Reply-To: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <277020fc0607051931o5e9e3d6eo2f05246f59d0cbfb@mail.gmail.com> > I have a user that insists sending e-mails: all in red is ok, using > words in all caps is ok, using multiple punctuation marks together is > ok, etc... I need help in finding a standard for e-mails. I seem to > remember reading a RFC on this once, but my memory fails me on the > number. If you have anything please send me a link. How much control do you have over your user's environment? Turning off HTML editing in her email client would be a good start. If you're really feeling snarky you can make her use mutt over an SSH connection. Just say it's a necessary security upgrade. Then she'll have no way to send you red text. From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 23:44:34 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jul 5 23:44:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards In-Reply-To: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: On 7/5/06, steve kolars wrote: > Help. > > I have a user that insists sending e-mails: all in red is ok, using > words in all caps is ok, using multiple punctuation marks together is > ok, etc... I need help in finding a standard for e-mails. I seem to > remember reading a RFC on this once, but my memory fails me on the > number. If you have anything please send me a link. FWIW. It may be "overkill" or even "roadkill". I hope it helps. "| Just because a feature_ _is there__, a feature_ _can be used__, does not | mean it_ _should be used__. Underlining, bold characters, italicizing, | and other_ _forms_ _of emphasis should be used_ _sparingly_ _and only | consistent with certain guidelines. For example, in my MBA program we | follow the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association | (APA) guidelines for formatting." <> Crib Sheet for APA Style <> From jennifervg at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 07:20:10 2006 From: jennifervg at yahoo.com (Jennifer Van Gorkom) Date: Thu Jul 6 07:20:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards In-Reply-To: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <20060706122010.37128.qmail@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- steve kolars wrote: > Help. > > I have a user that insists sending e-mails: all in > red is ok, using > words in all caps is ok, using multiple punctuation > marks together is > ok, etc... I need help in finding a standard for > e-mails. I seem to > remember reading a RFC on this once, but my memory > fails me on the > number. If you have anything please send me a link. > > Thanks, > Steve Steve, I am not sure if any of the links below have exactly what you are looking in them for but any of them may help. RFC 1855 - Netiquette Guidelines http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Top 10 Most Important Rules of Email Netiquette http://email.about.com/cs/netiquettetips/tp/core_netiquette.htm Electronic Mail - Using the Internet http://www.sofweb.vic.edu.au/internet/email.htm#Style Good Luck Jennifer PS. I like the idea of setting your reply colors to yellow for this student myself. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rct at gherkin.frus.com Thu Jul 6 09:50:40 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Thu Jul 6 09:50:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards In-Reply-To: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> "from steve kolars at Jul 5, 2006 05:56:16 pm" Message-ID: <20060706145040.BC79BDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> steve kolars wrote: > I have a user that insists sending e-mails: all in red is ok, using > words in all caps is ok, using multiple punctuation marks together is > ok, etc... I need help in finding a standard for e-mails. I seem to > remember reading a RFC on this once, but my memory fails me on the > number. If you have anything please send me a link. Strictly speaking, your l_user is correct. However, as a good friend of mine used to say, "the burden of communications is on the communicaTOR". Probably 'nuff said... Summary: don't be a jerk if you want most people to read/respond to your e-mail. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:27 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Thu Jul 6 12:05:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables & rules Message-ID: I have a few question for the iptable experts. I've been studying iptables for some time now but iptables is really intimidating and has gotten the best of me. I'd like some clarity. When do I use drop or reject. Drop = deny packet with no reply. Reject = deny packet and notify sender. Is it a preference? I'm trying to access vncserver from localhost via ssh, and my home pc (home ip = 71.xx.xxx.xx) and nowhere else. WOuld the following syntax be correct? iptables -A -s 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT iptables -A -s 71.xx.xxx.xx -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT iptables -A -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j REJECT I also run OpenVPN and I want access to ports 137,139 and 445 for samba and I want the ports invisible to the public. 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 is my OpenVPN network iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p udp -m udp --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT iptables -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137:139 -j DROP iptables -p udp -m udp --dport 137:139 -j DROP iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p udp -m udp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT iptables -p tcp -m tcp --dport 445 -j DROP iptables -p udp -m udp --dport 445 -j DROP -- ::twistedPickles:: : From emon at nerdshack.com Thu Jul 6 17:28:39 2006 From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon) Date: Thu Jul 6 17:30:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] compiling slackware pkg from source Message-ID: <44AD8E97.9000501@nerdshack.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I am newbie running Slackware10.2 with KDE desktop. I am trying to get "freevo" up & running, but it seem to have a billion dependencies; for most of which there does not seem to be a slackware pkg. I use the program "checkinstall" to build slackware pkg. I am now trying to build a pkg for "mmpython-0.4.9" but it keeps giving me a lot of error; I am pasting a few lines below *********************** /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:68: error: syntax error before "uint8_t" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:70: error: syntax error before "second" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:71: error: syntax error before "frame_u" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:78: error: syntax error before "uint8_t" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:143: error: syntax error before "uint16_t" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:145: error: syntax error before "code_extension" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:146: error: syntax error before "unknown3" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:175: error: syntax error before '}' token /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:231: error: syntax error before "uint8_t" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:258: error: syntax error before "uint8_t" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:260: error: syntax error before "lang_extension" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:261: error: syntax error before "code_extension" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:270: error: syntax error before "uint16_t" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:272: error: syntax error before "nr_of_cell" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:273: error: syntax error before "last_byte" /usr/local/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:274: error: syntax error before '*' token *********************** I have got the "libdvdread-0.9.6" pkg installed, which was also made by me from source using "checkinstall" I also tried to make a "lsdvd-0.16" pkg but when I tried to run "./configure" it kept giving me an error; something like.... "header files for dvdread could not be found" but the files were clearly there!! bash-3.00$ ls /usr/local/include/dvdread/ cmd_print.h ifo_print.h ifo_types.h nav_read.h dvd_reader.h ifo_read.h nav_print.h nav_types.h bash-3.00$ So I even tried to do this ./configure --includedir=/usr/local/include/dvdread/ but to no effect.. :-( So is something wrong with the libdvdread-0.9.6 pkg or am I missing something here.... Thanks in advance Emon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFErY6XaXfQjFhZoBwRAvmOAJ9MfF5N5Vzn1wulo41dRbE12e7btQCfaPmJ 9guS5BrAMYatZGRG60k9HsU= =DfY4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From comptech3 at mikeester.com Thu Jul 6 21:14:57 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (Michael Ester) Date: Thu Jul 6 21:15:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607051931o5e9e3d6eo2f05246f59d0cbfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> <277020fc0607051931o5e9e3d6eo2f05246f59d0cbfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060706211457.508fe2d6@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:31:09 -0500 "Sean Carolan" wrote: > > I have a user that insists sending e-mails: all in red is ok, using > > words in all caps is ok, using multiple punctuation marks together is > > ok, etc... > > How much control do you have over your user's environment? Turning > off HTML editing in her email client would be a good start. If you're > really feeling snarky you can make her use mutt over an SSH > connection. Just say it's a necessary security upgrade. Then she'll > have no way to send you red text. That is SO evil. I like it. -- Mike Ester From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jul 6 21:34:39 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Thu Jul 6 21:34:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] e-mail standards In-Reply-To: <20060706211457.508fe2d6@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> References: <44AC4390.4020806@cis.sac.accd.edu> <277020fc0607051931o5e9e3d6eo2f05246f59d0cbfb@mail.gmail.com> <20060706211457.508fe2d6@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200607062134.40212.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 06 July 2006 21:14, Michael Ester wrote: > > How much control do you have over your user's environment? Turning > > off HTML editing in her email client would be a good start. If you're > > really feeling snarky you can make her use mutt over an SSH > > connection. Just say it's a necessary security upgrade. Then she'll > > have no way to send you red text. > > That is SO evil. > > I like it. BOFH worthy even. Tweeks From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Jul 7 00:35:48 2006 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri Jul 7 00:35:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables & rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44ADF2B4.8000709@camerontech.com> twistedpickles wrote: > I have a few question for the iptable experts. > > I've been studying iptables for some time now but iptables is really > intimidating and has gotten the best of me. Understandable. It can be a lot to learn. > I'd like some clarity. When do I use drop or reject. Drop = deny > packet with no reply. Reject = deny packet and notify sender. Is it a > preference? I personally prefer to drop a packet. If a black hat is port scanning (for instance), it takes orders of magnitude longer for most port scanners to try each port if it has to wait for some sort of timeout. A rejection is instant and somewhat telling. > I'm trying to access vncserver from localhost via ssh, and my home pc > (home ip = 71.xx.xxx.xx) and nowhere else. WOuld the following syntax > be correct? > > iptables -A -s 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT You need to define a chain. For instance: iptables -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT This should work, and if all you want is to go from localhost to localhost, this should be all you need. You don't really need the -m tcp, but it doesn't hurt. You are not defining a destination, you might want to tighten it up a bit like I did above. > iptables -A -s 71.xx.xxx.xx -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT Again, should work, could use some tightening. > iptables -A -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j REJECT Looks good. > I also run OpenVPN and I want access to ports 137,139 and 445 for > samba and I want the ports invisible to the public. > 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 is my OpenVPN network > > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p udp -m udp --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT > iptables -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137:139 -j DROP > iptables -p udp -m udp --dport 137:139 -j DROP > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p udp -m udp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT > iptables -p tcp -m tcp --dport 445 -j DROP > iptables -p udp -m udp --dport 445 -j DROP You're not defining any chains or any destinations. Past that these should be OK. Thomas From twistedpickles at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 01:31:36 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Fri Jul 7 01:31:44 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables & rules In-Reply-To: <44ADF2B4.8000709@camerontech.com> References: <44ADF2B4.8000709@camerontech.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/06, Thomas Cameron wrote: > twistedpickles wrote: > > I have a few question for the iptable experts. > > > > I've been studying iptables for some time now but iptables is really > > intimidating and has gotten the best of me. > > Understandable. It can be a lot to learn. > > > I'd like some clarity. When do I use drop or reject. Drop = deny > > packet with no reply. Reject = deny packet and notify sender. Is it a > > preference? > > I personally prefer to drop a packet. If a black hat is port scanning > (for instance), it takes orders of magnitude longer for most port > scanners to try each port if it has to wait for some sort of timeout. A > rejection is instant and somewhat telling. > > > I'm trying to access vncserver from localhost via ssh, and my home pc > > (home ip = 71.xx.xxx.xx) and nowhere else. WOuld the following syntax > > be correct? > > > > iptables -A -s 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT > > You need to define a chain. For instance: > > iptables -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT > > This should work, and if all you want is to go from localhost to > localhost, this should be all you need. You don't really need the -m > tcp, but it doesn't hurt. You are not defining a destination, you might > want to tighten it up a bit like I did above. > > > iptables -A -s 71.xx.xxx.xx -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT > > Again, should work, could use some tightening. > > > iptables -A -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j REJECT > > Looks good. > > > I also run OpenVPN and I want access to ports 137,139 and 445 for > > samba and I want the ports invisible to the public. > > 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 is my OpenVPN network > > > > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT > > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p udp -m udp --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT > > iptables -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137:139 -j DROP > > iptables -p udp -m udp --dport 137:139 -j DROP > > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT > > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p udp -m udp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT > > iptables -p tcp -m tcp --dport 445 -j DROP > > iptables -p udp -m udp --dport 445 -j DROP > > You're not defining any chains or any destinations. Past that these > should be OK. > > Thomas > -- Thanks for your feedback! I understand...makes sense. ::twistedPickles:: : From tweeks at rackspace.com Fri Jul 7 11:17:19 2006 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 7 11:17:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Recruiting at the Open Source Fest, Saturday the 15th Message-ID: <200607071117.20417.tweeks@rackspace.com> Hey all.. Rackspace Recruiting asked me to send this out to the local LUG lists. In a nutshell, Rackspace is hiring for various levels of Linux Sys-Admin experience. We will be at the San Antonio Open Source Fest on the 15th from 10am-2pm. More info on the event is here: http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ -----BEGIN----- Rackspace Managed Hosting, a Limited Liability Corporation with deep roots in the Open Source community and a large base of Unix customers, is searching for people with Unix/Linux experience. Rackspace's Fanatical Support (TM) team of Unix technicians are constantly searching for innovative ways to provide our customers with superior levels of support. Our culture of personal initiative and independent thought will provide you a great opportunity to take part in, and sometimes drive, a group of individuals to accomplish an objective while expanding your technical horizons. Rackspace will be recruiting at the Open Source Fest in the Advanced Technology Center at Kelly USA on Saturday, July 15 from 10 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. Please stop by to learn more about Rackspace and the opportunities available. Check out our website at http://www.rackspace.com. ^^^^^END^^^^^ Cheers, Tweeks -- Thomas Weeks, Lead Sys. Engineer The Managed Hosting Specialist(TM) Rackspace Managed Hosting http://www.rackspace.com/ From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jul 7 11:44:22 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jul 7 11:44:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables & rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44AE8F66.8080409@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 twistedpickles wrote: > I have a few question for the iptable experts. > > I've been studying iptables for some time now but iptables is really > intimidating and has gotten the best of me. > > I'd like some clarity. When do I use drop or reject. Drop = deny > packet with no reply. Reject = deny packet and notify sender. Is it a > preference? > > I'm trying to access vncserver from localhost via ssh, and my home pc > (home ip = 71.xx.xxx.xx) and nowhere else. WOuld the following syntax > be correct? > > iptables -A -s 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT > iptables -A -s 71.xx.xxx.xx -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT > iptables -A -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j REJECT > > > I also run OpenVPN and I want access to ports 137,139 and 445 for > samba and I want the ports invisible to the public. > 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 is my OpenVPN network > > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p udp -m udp --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT > iptables -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137:139 -j DROP > iptables -p udp -m udp --dport 137:139 -j DROP > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT > iptables -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 -p udp -m udp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT > iptables -p tcp -m tcp --dport 445 -j DROP > iptables -p udp -m udp --dport 445 -j DROP > May I reccommend Shorewall? It's quite customizable and it works great. Basically it's just a scripted frontend to iptables. Also, the TARPIT target patch for linux is something of interest. It brings what Mr. Cameron spoke of to a new level. Instead of dropping the packets, if they're TCP connections anyway, it puts them "on hold" (a tcp window of 0) ALL of your TCP ports appear to be open, but they're really not. so someone attempting to haxx0r j00 gets stuck. It's loads of fun :) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRK6PZsnf+vRw63ObAQowLwv/Syjz4VeCgdZKgbxSCUI5R8HgBIK6Gfuo 3lCRhJkC1t9McZFqYY6pksDhulSdFlBFEV7TlE4OIQp7V8nz5pvwGBGGFS1O6Q7v FTVOEj3WRXuznpYavc2pygg+wXQ4anKm2/7vyBRyEvTgyj+xPJmHIwCYsGmt6wrY VtjkKEG2llaTzZnUv4qTjixlWlKnQ3Gld0bSBO+pGH9ozPdHlaa43mqDr5mi1/Th 7Lwnlv1KwQfqrGc+pLuY/+bRp7Odb2lXKAoOv4ZyIz3sUNs1tkw4JhOAZsJd81GD Gy7q5d4orJMfuHMskwL38bGgNNkIJhy8Z+HbKarBxgT7sDLJdcEDfbvnmB7Psfxd MOo1g4w5Zxqyy12LdHLFXM0mBELXSp6iVlDcdC2zl305ef+zStfAPnOsxc0ndX5g nzHpx5G57DQeLPoPNKl5eJOyZpfm5w5kPpvtl/YdO9zmEp0MLbx+gSiWC61wGFzN zvZrUlUBfbfEPeOd7NqIO95Qk9h0eqnI =3iR6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 7 12:15:21 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Fri Jul 7 12:14:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message Message-ID: <44AE96A9.9030303@satx.rr.com> Apologies for the test message...even after saving off the appropriate /etc/ config files and reinstalling, I seem to be bouncing emails rather than delivering them locally. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 7 12:31:03 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 7 12:31:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message In-Reply-To: <44AE96A9.9030303@satx.rr.com> References: <44AE96A9.9030303@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44AE9A57.7040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Mitch Thompson wrote: > Apologies for the test message...even after saving off the appropriate > /etc/ config files and reinstalling, I seem to be bouncing emails > rather than delivering them locally. > seems to be working again.. I had a mail glitch here, too. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 7 12:38:49 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Fri Jul 7 12:38:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message In-Reply-To: <44AE9A57.7040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <44AE96A9.9030303@satx.rr.com> <44AE9A57.7040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <44AE9C29.6080805@satx.rr.com> Geoff wrote: > Mitch Thompson wrote: > >> Apologies for the test message...even after saving off the >> appropriate /etc/ config files and reinstalling, I seem to be >> bouncing emails rather than delivering them locally. >> > > seems to be working again.. I had a mail glitch here, too. > I've used fetchmail forever to POP mail off roadrunner and deliver locally. One thing I've come to dislike is that it seems to rewrite the domain to localhost for delivery to the local MTA. Need to get up to speed on a replacement someday. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Jul 7 13:56:00 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Jul 7 13:56:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message In-Reply-To: <44AE9C29.6080805@satx.rr.com> "from Mitch Thompson at Jul 7, 2006 12:38:49 pm" Message-ID: <20060707185600.A4365DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Mitch Thompson wrote: >I've used fetchmail forever to POP mail off roadrunner and deliver >locally. One thing I've come to dislike is that it seems to rewrite the >domain to localhost for delivery to >the local MTA. Need to get up to speed on a replacement someday. A replacement in what context? I know at least a few individuals who are successfully running their own SMTP servers with the aid of dyndns so they can be found :-). If your ISP frowns on SMTP servers, some people have space on a hosted server and have that be the MX for their personal domain: you can then use a LMTP setup to transfer mail from that host to your local network. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 7 14:19:45 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Fri Jul 7 14:19:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message In-Reply-To: <20060707185600.A4365DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20060707185600.A4365DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <44AEB3D1.3060903@satx.rr.com> Bob Tracy wrote: >Mitch Thompson wrote: > > >>I've used fetchmail forever to POP mail off roadrunner and deliver >>locally. One thing I've come to dislike is that it seems to rewrite the >>domain to localhost for delivery to >>the local MTA. Need to get up to speed on a replacement someday. >> >> > >A replacement in what context? I know at least a few individuals who >are successfully running their own SMTP servers with the aid of dyndns >so they can be found :-). If your ISP frowns on SMTP servers, some >people have space on a hosted server and have that be the MX for their >personal domain: you can then use a LMTP setup to transfer mail from >that host to your local network. > > > Nothing so complex. My initial complaint with fetchmail is that it takes the mail it pops off of the POP-server, then rewrites the domain to @localhost to present it to the MTA on my box. It just looks kinda funky. I would much prefer to have it rewrite the domain to mitchthompson.homelinux.net, which is the domain I created at dyndns. Since the MTA (postfix) is configured to answer to: localhost.localdomain, localhost, colossus.mitchthompson.homelinux.net, and mitchthompson.homelinux.net, what fetchmail does "works", it just looks strange with the @localhost domain. According to the author's website, there are keywords for the /etc/fetchmailrc (smtphost and smtpaddress) that one can use to override this feature, but it doesn't seem to be working for me at the moment. Actually, some quick research has turned up information indicating that fetchmail may be the "best of breed" in its purpose, so I guess some more research is in order. For my outgoing mail, I just send directly to smtp-server.satx.rr.com. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Jul 7 16:18:14 2006 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Fri Jul 7 16:15:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Read Me (OpenSourceFest) Message-ID: <44AECF96.5080304@cis.sac.accd.edu> Looking for a new job? You really need to look at the Open Source Fest http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ . Steve From solinym at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 18:45:28 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Jul 7 18:45:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] split myth - can you put db on another system but not backend? In-Reply-To: <200607040017.38324.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <5ef09f10607022145q4862c22l4de9cbd2c96760b5@mail.gmail.com> <200607040017.38324.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: > What are you trying to accomplish here? Just to centralize all the databases on one database server. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 7 19:00:49 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 7 19:01:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message In-Reply-To: <44AEB3D1.3060903@satx.rr.com> References: <20060707185600.A4365DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <44AEB3D1.3060903@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44AEF5B1.4000901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Mitch Thompson wrote: > > For my outgoing mail, I just send directly to smtp-server.satx.rr.com. > You'll probably find that you don't really have much of a choice, other than using smtp-server.satx.rr.com, if you're using dyndns.org to help you 'be found' as it was said, and using your own mail server. I'm doing that, and have been frustrated at the limited access to port 25 by different cable companies. Cox cable in New Orleans, for example, completely blocks port 25 traffic to his home subscribers. -- Best Regards, -Geoff A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From edcoates at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 19:50:24 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Fri Jul 7 19:50:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Motorola Razr V3 and moto4lin Message-ID: <8ee65edd0607071750p5915be12r8e56e9ffeaa6b694@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone hooked up their Motorola Razr V3 to their linux box and successfully gotten it to work with moto4lin or something similar to allow the loading and downloading of files? I can get mine loaded, and the cdc-acm module is loaded, I see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices, and moto4lin can see it for a time, but there is never a directory listing given to be allowed file manipulation. After a little bit of tinkering with the settings, the /dev/ttyACM0 device eventually goes away, and the only way to get the connection back is to unplug/plug the phone back in. Ed From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 7 21:15:23 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Fri Jul 7 21:15:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message In-Reply-To: <44AEF5B1.4000901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <20060707185600.A4365DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <44AEB3D1.3060903@satx.rr.com> <44AEF5B1.4000901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <44AF153B.2020207@satx.rr.com> Geoff wrote: > Mitch Thompson wrote: > >> >> For my outgoing mail, I just send directly to smtp-server.satx.rr.com. >> > > You'll probably find that you don't really have much of a choice, other > than using smtp-server.satx.rr.com, if you're using dyndns.org to help > you 'be found' as it was said, and using your own mail server. > > I'm doing that, and have been frustrated at the limited access to port > 25 by different cable companies. > > Cox cable in New Orleans, for example, completely blocks port 25 traffic > to his home subscribers. > True. Someday, we'll all have our own individual IPv6 addresses (maybe it'll replace the SSN?) and we all have our own domains, etc., associated with those IP addresses. Maybe, when that day arrives, ISPs will "throw open" the doors and let us who desire to do so run our own services. Then it will be that much closer to a "true" Internet. From solinym at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 22:55:21 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Jul 7 22:55:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hard Drive Cooling Fan In-Reply-To: <44AAD37F.1000105@satx.rr.com> References: <8ee65edd0607021635r1ca4b15m7ed55ccd77a13b45@mail.gmail.com> <44A85914.2030303@shlrm.org> <44A91FF2.6030900@satx.rr.com> <44A99292.6000802@shlrm.org> <44A9B603.6060205@satx.rr.com> <44AABBA2.1000901@shlrm.org> <44AAD37F.1000105@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: > Yes, that is the one. I'm not an engineer, but I think the theory > behind this is that a larger fan can move the same amount of air by > turning slower, and is thus quieter. That is correct. Slower speed == less turbulence == less white noise. I always buy cases with 120mm fans in preference to 80mm fans. Antec has a few nice ones, with the drive bays right behind the front fan. More than you ever wanted to know about bearing styles: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=193 In general, ball bearings provide notice of impinging doom, whereas sleeve bearings tend to fail and just stop and never make a squeak, IIRC. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 8 17:14:06 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 8 17:14:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] zfs for Linux; when? Message-ID: So I've been reading up a bit on ZFS, and you know, it's pretty cool. I actually had, on my "to do" list, a filesystem which performed copy-on-write, so you could make instantaneous copies, and only use more space if you modified the copies. And now ZFS does just that. I sure hope they get around to more of my "to do" list, it's growing faster than I can complete them. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jul 8 17:37:30 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 8 17:37:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] split myth - can you put db on another system but not backend? In-Reply-To: References: <200607040017.38324.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200607081737.30559.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 07 July 2006 18:45, Travis H. wrote: > > What are you trying to accomplish here? > > Just to centralize all the databases on one database server. Well.. I wouldn't recommend sharing the master backend server with any other services... Tweeks From jtiner at satx.rr.com Sat Jul 8 17:39:28 2006 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (james) Date: Sat Jul 8 17:38:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] SELinux Message-ID: <1152398368.8344.5.camel@localhost> for any of you who use selinux, seedit2 was recently released. it was originally developed by Hitachi before they turned it over to SELinux Policy Editor Project. you can get it here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/seedit/ From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Jul 8 20:33:17 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Jul 8 20:33:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice on CentOS4 Message-ID: <277020fc0607081833x41911a94i5f078a7cda921cd1@mail.gmail.com> Are there any other list members using CentOS as their primary desktop computer? CentOS 4.3 ships with OpenOffice 1.1 (as does RHEL 4). I really would prefer to use OpenOffice 2.0. With that goal in mind, I downloaded and installed OpenOffice 2.0 from the OpenOffice.org website, but it's really unstable, and has no anti-aliasing on any of the fonts. It's ugly and crashes a lot. Is there any way to get the same, smooth OpenOffice that I got used to on Fedora Core 5 and Ubuntu 6.06? With my Ubuntu laptop I open OO and it's even got all the MS fonts that I installed, and the fonts look nice and smooth. Any pointers are greatly welcome. I have a few other small issues but this is the one that's bugging me the most right now. Thanks Sean -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Jul 8 20:40:17 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Jul 8 20:40:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice on CentOS4 In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607081833x41911a94i5f078a7cda921cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607090140.k691eHfo018216@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I am running the openoffice 2.x version from ther website, and have all the fonts. You may need to add them with spadmin: /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/spadmin click on "Fonts", "Add..." No stability problems here, also not on CentOS (we are using the 64-bit version on our beowulf headnode). -Borries > > Are there any other list members using CentOS as their primary desktop > computer? > > CentOS 4.3 ships with OpenOffice 1.1 (as does RHEL 4). I really would > prefer to use OpenOffice 2.0. > > With that goal in mind, I downloaded and installed OpenOffice 2.0 from > the OpenOffice.org website, but it's really unstable, and has no > anti-aliasing on any of the fonts. It's ugly and crashes a lot. Is > there any way to get the same, smooth OpenOffice that I got used to on > Fedora Core 5 and Ubuntu 6.06? With my Ubuntu laptop I open OO and > it's even got all the MS fonts that I installed, and the fonts look > nice and smooth. > > Any pointers are greatly welcome. I have a few other small issues but > this is the one that's bugging me the most right now. > > Thanks > > Sean > > -- > My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Jul 8 22:39:38 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Jul 8 22:39:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] zfs for Linux; when? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/8/06, Travis H. wrote: > So I've been reading up a bit on ZFS, and you know, it's pretty cool. > > I actually had, on my "to do" list, a filesystem which performed > copy-on-write, so you could make instantaneous copies, and only use > more space if you modified the copies. And now ZFS does just that. > > I sure hope they get around to more of my "to do" list, it's growing > faster than I can complete them. I have the same question you do? When ZFS for Linux? When I asked this before Mark McCoy replied that he was running Solaris with ZFS under VMware. Please correct me if I'm in error. This configuration would be a Linux host OS, the VMware virtual layer, Solaris with ZFS? My question is, "Under VMware, can you have ZFS as the file system for the entire machine or at least for all the virtual machines? Or is the only access to ZFS through Solaris? Now that the VMware server is free, I'm eager to try some things. From realmcking at gmail.com Sat Jul 8 23:46:10 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Sat Jul 8 23:46:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] zfs for Linux; when? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right now, ZFS is only available under Solaris and the OpenSolaris-based distros like Nexenta. There is a FUSE-based ZFS for linux in the works as part of a google summer of code project and DragonflyBSD has plans to port it in the near future. You can run Solaris in VMware just fine, but ZFS is only available to that VMWare session (as any filesystem would be). You can, however, use NFS or Samba to share out the filesystem on your network whether you use VMWare or a dedicated system. ZFS has a lot more to offer than just COW, think "FS + LVM + mdadm + snapshots + checksumming + quotas + compression + dead-simple management" and you will start to come close. BTW, if you want to try out some of this stuff without completely diving into the Solaris world, you might want to check out Nexenta. Nexenta is basically Ubuntu 6/06 on top of the OpenSolaris kernel, with stuff like ZFS and SMF merged in with the GNU userland. If you've ever used Ubuntu or Debian, you really can't tell the difference in most cases between Nexenta and Ubuntu 6/06. There is a livecd available as well, and the next version should have a lot of really good features merged in from recent OpenSolaris builds, like Zones and Live Ugrade. -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 08:49:07 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jul 9 08:49:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice on CentOS4 In-Reply-To: <200607090140.k691eHfo018216@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <277020fc0607081833x41911a94i5f078a7cda921cd1@mail.gmail.com> <200607090140.k691eHfo018216@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <277020fc0607090649v2bda3b31g9d76e611485d01e0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/8/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > I am running the openoffice 2.x version from ther website, and have all > the fonts. You may need to add them with spadmin: > > /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/spadmin > > click on "Fonts", "Add..." > > No stability problems here, also not on CentOS (we are using the > 64-bit version on our beowulf headnode). My OO crashes the moment I try to use the pulldown menu to change fonts, so maybe these two things are related. Your suggestion seemed to fix the problem - no more ugly, blocky fonts now. From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 09:05:04 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jul 9 09:05:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice on CentOS4 In-Reply-To: <200607090140.k691eHfo018216@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <277020fc0607081833x41911a94i5f078a7cda921cd1@mail.gmail.com> <200607090140.k691eHfo018216@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <277020fc0607090705j5e12cad0v46e9ab7d75330789@mail.gmail.com> Thank you again, Borries. I was also able to compile my own msttcorefonts RPM and now OpenOffice is quite usable for me, with all the fonts I'm likely to encounter or need while working with various files. From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 12:24:25 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sun Jul 9 12:24:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm Message-ID: <20060709172425.74874.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> how do i mount a lvm parition? i need to back everything up from it before i erase it? do i need to install some software? do i have to recompile the kernel so it will support lvm? --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jul 9 14:22:08 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jul 9 14:22:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm In-Reply-To: <20060709172425.74874.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060709172425.74874.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200607091422.09329.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 09 July 2006 12:24, Chris wrote: > how do i mount a lvm parition? Assuming that you have the partition already set up (pvcreate/pvdisplay), the volume group defined (vgcreate/vgdisplay), and the logical volume created (lvcreate/lvdisplay) and formatted (mkfs)... You would just mount it like any other device file: mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol0 /mnt/mountpoint or if on FC2/3, you mount using the mapper (un-symlinked) dev file: mount /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 /mnt/mountpoint > i need to back everything up from it before > i erase it? do i need to install some software? To back it up? No.. If you have the local space, then shut down any databases or apps that might be writing to that part of the filesystem (or as root, just do a "init 1" to go into single user mode, and do this: sync; tar czvf /mnt/mountpoint /tmp/backup.tgz > do i have to recompile the > kernel so it will support lvm? I don't understand what you're asking here... Have you not even created an LVM partition yet? Are you trying to migrate out of or in to a LVM device? Tweeks From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 16:36:11 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sun Jul 9 16:36:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm Message-ID: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris wrote: From Chris Sun Jul 9 14:32:34 2006 Received: from [64.185.188.53] by web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:32:34 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [SATLUG] lvm To: tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org In-Reply-To: <200607091422.09329.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1376132489-1152480754=:80772" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1980 Tom Weeks wrote: On Sunday 09 July 2006 12:24, Chris wrote: > how do i mount a lvm parition? Assuming that you have the partition already set up (pvcreate/pvdisplay), the volume group defined (vgcreate/vgdisplay), and the logical volume created (lvcreate/lvdisplay) and formatted (mkfs)... You would just mount it like any other device file: mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol0 /mnt/mountpoint or if on FC2/3, you mount using the mapper (un-symlinked) dev file: mount /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 /mnt/mountpoint > i need to back everything up from it before > i erase it? do i need to install some software? To back it up? No.. If you have the local space, then shut down any databases or apps that might be writing to that part of the filesystem (or as root, just do a "init 1" to go into single user mode, and do this: sync; tar czvf /mnt/mountpoint /tmp/backup.tgz > do i have to recompile the > kernel so it will support lvm? I don't understand what you're asking here... Have you not even created an LVM partition yet? Are you trying to migrate out of or in to a LVM device? Tweeks I'm almost sure I need a module for my kernel and maybe some other software. I'm not sure how to do that. ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2434 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 2433 19543041 7 HPFS/NTFS Disk /dev/hdb: 20.5 GB, 20525137920 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2495 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 1 608 4883728+ b W95 FAT32 /dev/hdb2 609 1216 4883760 83 Linux /dev/hdb3 * 1217 2371 9277537+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb4 2372 2495 996030 82 Linux swap / Solaris Disk /dev/hdc: 123.5 GB, 123522416640 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 15017 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/hdc2 14 15017 120519630 8e Linux LVM ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt/a ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount -t ext3 /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 /mnt/a mount: only root can do that ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 /mnt/a mount: special device /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 does not exist ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc2 /mnt/a mount: /dev/hdc2 already mounted or /mnt/a busy ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount | grep hdc2 ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jul 9 18:04:13 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jul 9 18:04:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm In-Reply-To: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200607091804.13391.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 09 July 2006 16:36, Chris wrote: > > I'm almost sure I need a module for my kernel and maybe some other > software. I'm not sure how to do that. It should be statically compiles into your kernel. > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hdc1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux > /dev/hdc2 14 15017 120519630 8e Linux LVM > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt/a > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount -t ext3 /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 /mnt/a > mount: only root can do > that > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 /mnt/a > mount: special device /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 does not exist > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc2 /mnt/a > mount: /dev/hdc2 already mounted or /mnt/a busy > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount | grep hdc2 > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ Okay.. You can't just blindly try to mount things that are not there. What does "ls -la /dev/Vol*" show you? What about pvdisplay and lvdisplay? The "lv" is the thing that you want to mount. I only listed /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 because that's what my system happens to be using. Use lvdisplay to see what your system has set up. Tweeks From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 19:04:46 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jul 9 19:04:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm In-Reply-To: <200607091804.13391.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200607091804.13391.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: > What about pvdisplay and lvdisplay? The "lv" is the thing that you want to > mount. I only listed /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 because that's what my system > happens to be using. Use lvdisplay to see what your system has set up. Yeah, VolGroup00 is only the default name for an lvm partition. You may also have to do a "vgchange -ay" to get the /dev/whatever device to appear. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 9 20:06:26 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 9 20:06:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MS to support OpenDocument now Message-ID: <200607100106.k6A16Qg3012944@biochem.uthscsa.edu> MICROSOFT AGREES TO WORK WITH OPENDOCUMENT Reversing earlier statements that it would not support translation of its documents into the OpenDocument format, Microsoft has said it will sponsor the development of software that does just that. Microsoft's Open Office XML format and the OpenDocument format have been vying for the top spot in the emerging area of XML-based formats that allow interoperability of documents and platforms. A number of governments, including those of Massachusetts and Belgium, have committed to using the OpenDocument format, and it was pressure from those governments that persuaded Microsoft to allow translation of its Office files into the competing format, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards. The software, known as Open XML Translator, will be developed by Clever Age, a French company, with support from Microsoft. Microsoft said it hopes to have a plug-in for Word by the end of this year and similar tools for Excel and PowerPoint next year. ZDNet, 6 July 2006 http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6090912.html From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 20:32:15 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jul 9 20:32:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MS to support OpenDocument now In-Reply-To: <200607100106.k6A16Qg3012944@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200607100106.k6A16Qg3012944@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <277020fc0607091832q46210df6r8a08b6004ba6d7eb@mail.gmail.com> On 7/9/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > MICROSOFT AGREES TO WORK WITH OPENDOCUMENT This is excellent news. There may actually come a day when XML/ODT becomes an industry standard instead of cumbersome Microsoft .doc files. Our sales reps have been using Linux on the desktop for over two years now, and we've never had a problem reading Microsoft documents with OpenOffice, except for some occasional weird formatting. But we still have to set all their computers to save all files and quotes in either .doc or .xls because none of our customers can read them otherwise. Recently they are using SugarCRM for quotes, which outputs a nicely formatted PDF file which is better anyway, because it can be read on just about any computer. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 9 20:35:37 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 9 20:35:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MS to support OpenDocument now In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607091832q46210df6r8a08b6004ba6d7eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607100135.k6A1ZbHG017459@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Recently they are using SugarCRM for quotes, which outputs a nicely > formatted PDF file which is better anyway, because it can be read on > just about any computer. OpenOffice 2.0 outputs high-quality PDF as well. -b. From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 20:37:57 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jul 9 20:38:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MS to support OpenDocument now In-Reply-To: <200607100135.k6A1ZbHG017459@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <277020fc0607091832q46210df6r8a08b6004ba6d7eb@mail.gmail.com> <200607100135.k6A1ZbHG017459@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <277020fc0607091837v650c9f0es6d9ea5cd039a872@mail.gmail.com> > OpenOffice 2.0 outputs high-quality PDF as well. Yes, I'd forgotten about that. The "Send as PDF" is a nice feature too, we used that extensively before we got SugarCRM installed. From j at jvpappas.net Sun Jul 9 21:17:20 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Jul 9 21:17:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm In-Reply-To: <200607091804.13391.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200607091804.13391.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1152497840.15365.149.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Chris, In order to help, we need the output of: `pvdisplay;vgdisplay;lvdisplay` Further, just having a LVM partition does not create a place to store things. First some instruction (RAID & LVM): http://home.earthlink.net/~jvpappas/satlug/img0.html The LVM section starts on: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvpappas/satlug/img13.html That is a presentation that I gave last year to SATLUG on this topic. It is not perfect nor complete, but it is a good start (if you don't want to read the whole LVM howto. Note that I did the demo on SCSI disks (/dev/sd*), and you are using IDE (/dev/hd*) but the concepts are the same. So now we know how PVs, VGs, and LVs fit together, we need to look at this example: You have a partition allocated to LVM (/dev/hdc2). Make it a PV: pvcreate /dev/hdc2 now a `pvdisplay` will show you that you have a PV. Since you can group PVs into VGs, let's do that: vgcreate /dev/hdc2 in my case I would create a 'data' VG: vgcreate data /dev/hdc2 Almost there, you now have a logical group of blocks, but have not created a container (logical volume) to build a file system on: lvcreate -L -n In my case, a 1 gig volume called storage: lvcreate -L 1G -n storage data Ok, we now have a container of 256 x 4M extents that we can build a filesystem on: mkfs. /dev/data/storage In my case, I use reiser with filesystem labels: mkfs.reiserfs -l storage /dev/data/storage Now you have a filesystem that you can mount as in your example: mount /dev/data/storage /mnt/a Hope that gets you on your way to (non-zfs but still) flexibility! I will run some examples below: ---------------------------------------------------------------- spook:~ # pvs PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/sda2 sys lvm2 a- 14.64G 4.64G /dev/sda4 sys lvm2 a- 39.09G 2.39G spook:~ # vgs VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree sys 2 6 0 wz--n 53.73G 7.03G spook:~ # lvs LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% dvd-hds sys -wi-a- 8.70G home sys -wi-ao 5.00G root sys -wi-ao 6.00G storage sys -wi-a- 10.00G temp sys -wi-a- 4.50G vm sys -wi-a- 12.50G spook:~ # lvcreate -L 1G -n test sys Logical volume "test" created spook:~ # lvdisplay sys/test --- Logical volume --- LV Name /dev/sys/test VG Name sys LV UUID 3yuJKq-tyDK-8zAX-EGbx-rVvB-pT8i-K56piB LV Write Access read/write LV Status available # open 0 LV Size 1.00 GB Current LE 256 Segments 1 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:6 spook:~ # mkfs.reiserfs -l test /dev/sys/test mkfs.reiserfs 3.6.18 (2003 www.namesys.com) Guessing about desired format.. Kernel 2.6.13-15.10-default is running. Format 3.6 with standard journal Count of blocks on the device: 262144 Number of blocks consumed by mkreiserfs formatting process: 8219 Blocksize: 4096 Hash function used to sort names: "r5" Journal Size 8193 blocks (first block 18) Journal Max transaction length 1024 inode generation number: 0 UUID: 516cbfbd-b024-4f20-9e38-097999e9e0cc LABEL: test ATTENTION: YOU SHOULD REBOOT AFTER FDISK! ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sys/test'! Continue (y/n):y Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% Syncing..ok ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/sys/test. spook:~ # mkdir /mnt/test spook:~ # mount /dev/sys/test /mnt/test/ spook:~ # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/sys-root 6.0G 4.4G 1.7G 73% / tmpfs 506M 12K 506M 1% /dev/shm /dev/sda1 155M 39M 117M 25% /boot /dev/mapper/sys-home 5.0G 4.8G 291M 95% /home /dev/mapper/sys-test 1.0G 33M 992M 4% /mnt/test spook:~ # lvextend -L +500M sys/test Extending logical volume test to 1.49 GB Logical volume test successfully resized spook:~ # resize_reiserfs /dev/sys/test resize_reiserfs 3.6.18 (2003 www.namesys.com) resize_reiserfs: On-line resizing finished successfully. spook:~ # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/sys-root 6.0G 4.4G 1.7G 73% / tmpfs 506M 12K 506M 1% /dev/shm /dev/sda1 155M 39M 117M 25% /boot /dev/mapper/sys-home 5.0G 4.8G 291M 95% /home /dev/mapper/sys-test 1.5G 33M 1.5G 3% /mnt/test spook:~ # lvdisplay sys/test --- Logical volume --- LV Name /dev/sys/test VG Name sys LV UUID 3yuJKq-tyDK-8zAX-EGbx-rVvB-pT8i-K56piB LV Write Access read/write LV Status available # open 2 LV Size 1.49 GB Current LE 381 Segments 1 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:6 From j at jvpappas.net Sun Jul 9 21:19:28 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Jul 9 21:19:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm In-Reply-To: <20060709172425.74874.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060709172425.74874.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1152497969.15365.152.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 10:24 -0700, Chris wrote: > how do i mount a lvm parition? i need to back everything up from it before i erase it? do i need to install some software? do i have to recompile the kernel so it will support lvm? PS Check this: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/~laurence/Linux/lvm.html Another presentation to a LUG. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jul 9 21:40:28 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jul 9 21:40:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MS to support OpenDocument now In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607091832q46210df6r8a08b6004ba6d7eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200607100106.k6A16Qg3012944@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <277020fc0607091832q46210df6r8a08b6004ba6d7eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607092140.29127.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 09 July 2006 20:32, Sean Carolan wrote: > On 7/9/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > > MICROSOFT AGREES TO WORK WITH OPENDOCUMENT > > This is excellent news. There may actually come a day when XML/ODT > becomes an industry standard instead of cumbersome Microsoft .doc > files. I don't think that M$ really had that much of a choice. With entire state and country governments dictating that Office solutions must be 100% open standard (some of them even require the creating binary be GPL), M$ didn't seem to have much of a choice. Open standards and FLOSS will almost always win out over closed solutions given enough time. Good stuff. Tweeks From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 05:27:19 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Jul 10 05:27:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm In-Reply-To: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0607100327sa7b9c33i495dd933cb824821@mail.gmail.com> > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hdc1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux > /dev/hdc2 14 15017 120519630 8e Linux LVM > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt/a > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount -t ext3 /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 /mnt/a > mount: only root can do > that > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 /mnt/a > mount: special device /dev/VolGroup/LogVol00 does not exist > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc2 /mnt/a > mount: /dev/hdc2 already mounted or /mnt/a busy > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount | grep hdc2 > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ What you might need to do first is a vgscan so that it can go out and find the volume groups first. Then you need to activate them vgchange -a y Then you should be able to do vgdisplay -v this will display all the information and list the logical volumes that you can mount. Hope this helps From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 10 06:01:38 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Mon Jul 10 06:02:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MS to support OpenDocument now In-Reply-To: <200607100106.k6A16Qg3012944@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200607100106.k6A16Qg3012944@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <44B23392.3010809@satx.rr.com> Borries Demeler wrote: > MICROSOFT AGREES TO WORK WITH OPENDOCUMENT > Reversing earlier statements that it would not support translation of > its documents into the OpenDocument format, Microsoft has said it will > sponsor the development of software that does just that. Microsoft's > Open Office XML format and the OpenDocument format have been vying for > the top spot in the emerging area of XML-based formats that allow > interoperability of documents and platforms. A number of governments, > including those of Massachusetts and Belgium, have committed to using > the OpenDocument format, and it was pressure from those governments > that persuaded Microsoft to allow translation of its Office files into > the competing format, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general > manager of interoperability and standards. The software, known as Open > XML Translator, will be developed by Clever Age, a French company, with > support from Microsoft. Microsoft said it hopes to have a plug-in for > Word by the end of this year and similar tools for Excel and PowerPoint > next year. > ZDNet, 6 July 2006 > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6090912.html "Embrace and Extend (tm)" -- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibility, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato -- Mitch Thompson, San Antonio, Texas//WB5UZG Red Hat Certified Engineer From kingttx at hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 09:48:34 2006 From: kingttx at hotmail.com (Thomas King) Date: Mon Jul 10 09:48:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Harddrive recovery companies Message-ID: One of our campus TSRs needs some info on any harddrive recovery companies that anyone has used. A drive died and that department did not backup the information. :( "I have a hard drive that has died-and there was no backup. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with any ‘data recovery’ companies? If so, which one(s), where they able to recover any data, what kind of time frame and what kind of expense was incurred? Any advice, information and/or input would be greatly appreciated…" Thanks! Tom King, UTHSCSA Travel From jesse at liberto.org Mon Jul 10 09:53:39 2006 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Mon Jul 10 09:53:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Harddrive recovery companies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060710145339.2585316AA4E@mail.ricos.com> We had a bad experience with SW Stars Data Recovery. I won't go into details, but lawyers were involved. ~jesse -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas King Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:49 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] OT Harddrive recovery companies One of our campus TSRs needs some info on any harddrive recovery companies that anyone has used. A drive died and that department did not backup the information. :( "I have a hard drive that has died-and there was no backup. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with any 'data recovery' companies? If so, which one(s), where they able to recover any data, what kind of time frame and what kind of expense was incurred? Any advice, information and/or input would be greatly appreciated." Thanks! Tom King, UTHSCSA Travel -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From rct at gherkin.frus.com Mon Jul 10 10:39:42 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Mon Jul 10 10:39:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Harddrive recovery companies In-Reply-To: "from Thomas King at Jul 10, 2006 09:48:34 am" Message-ID: <20060710153942.B274EDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Thomas King wrote: > One of our campus TSRs needs some info on any harddrive recovery companies > that anyone has used. A drive died and that department did not backup the > information. :( Mac or not, I'd check with the Apple store at La Cantera, which has a "Wizard's Corner" staffed by folks who really know their way around hardware. If they cannot recover the data, they have a list of data recovery firms that can do the trick. Price can range from approx. $350 to over $2K depending on a variety of factors, but mostly on the size of the drive and how badly damaged it is. Access to clean-room facilities (if needed) is a big issue. Most of the firms on the referral list are out in California. Might also check Processor magazine (http://www.processor.com) which typically has several listings for data recovery firms. Other than the above generic advice, I have no current recommendation. A friend of mine used one of the aforementioned California companies more than a decade ago to recover the contents of a SCSI drive from a Sun computer, and was delighted with the results. If I remember correctly, that set him back around $700 at the time, and he considered it well worth the money. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From fhuddles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 14:54:34 2006 From: fhuddles at yahoo.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Mon Jul 10 14:57:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] How to change the keyboard language Message-ID: <44B2B07A.1070009@yahoo.com> Can someone tell me how to change the keyboard language? From time to time I need to use Spanish-alphabet characters, usually in Bluefish or Thunderbird. I use the FluxBox window manager. I've tried kbd_mode to set my keyboard mode from raw (scanmode) to unicode, with disastrous results. I also used loadkeys to load the la-latin1 keyset, but it looks as though this only has an effect in the virtual consoles, not the xterms and other applications I open from fluxbox. I might be able to find something eventually out there on the net, but can anyone tell me how to change the keyboard language character mapping? It might save me a lot of time and effort... Thanks, Frank Huddleston From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Mon Jul 10 15:32:39 2006 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Mon Jul 10 15:32:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft posts plug-in for Office conversion Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3EC3@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/41266-1.html Here's another one. Ok Bob Tracy...my prediction is coming closer to being true. Back at Kelly in 1992 I said it would be 11 years before MS started to crumble...oops I missed it a few years. Walt From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 15:40:46 2006 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Jul 10 15:40:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT command help Message-ID: <128bff2f0607101340l5f35f965j12d389c6eab131a8@mail.gmail.com> I have a script Perl script that current runs via cron that checks for the existence of a file on a remote website, if the file does not exist it resubmits itself to re-run using the at command. The problem is that the URL to the website has a date in it and the way the script is written to grab the URL gets a date from a function in the script. If I don't get the file by midnight the script start processing the wrong date. I can fix this simply by adding a simple if-then-else statement to check for a date from the command line. What I'm having trouble is submitting the command line option to at if the file doesn't exist at doesn't allow for parameter option to the command line. Can anybody suggest an alternative to using at that would easy to implement with Perl. Thanks Zeb From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 15:44:50 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Mon Jul 10 15:44:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] star office 8 Message-ID: <20060710204450.96172.qmail@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> when will star office 8 and other solaris software be available for linux? maybe star office 8 can be compiled in linux? has anyone tried that? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 16:11:47 2006 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Jul 10 16:11:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] star office 8 In-Reply-To: <20060710204450.96172.qmail@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060710204450.96172.qmail@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0607101411i2afecbe6wcf1dd56406ac33c2@mail.gmail.com> According to Sun's website Star Office 8 is available for Linux, Mac OSX and Windows32 for $69.95 (http://www.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/index.jsp) . If your talking about OpenOffice the current version being offered is 2.0.3 Zeb On 7/10/06, Chris wrote: > > when will star office 8 and other solaris software be available for linux? > maybe star office 8 can be compiled in linux? has anyone tried that? > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From channing-c at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 10 16:35:56 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Mon Jul 10 16:36:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT command help In-Reply-To: <128bff2f0607101340l5f35f965j12d389c6eab131a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <128bff2f0607101340l5f35f965j12d389c6eab131a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B2C83C.5070308@satx.rr.com> Zeb Fletcher wrote: > I have a script Perl script that current runs via cron that checks for > the > existence of a file on a remote website, if the file does not exist it > resubmits itself to re-run using the at command. The problem is that > the URL > to the website has a date in it and the way the script is written to grab > the URL gets a date from a function in the script. If I don't get the > file > by midnight the script start processing the wrong date. I can fix this > simply by adding a simple if-then-else statement to check for a date from > the command line. What I'm having trouble is submitting the command line > option to at if the file doesn't exist at doesn't allow for parameter > option > to the command line. > > Can anybody suggest an alternative to using at that would easy to > implement > with Perl. > > > Thanks > > Zeb Hi Zeb, If I understand your issue correctly, the at command is trying to use the options you are attempting to pass to your perl script and erroring as a result - is this correct? I see two possibilities that you could try. 1) You can put the command with arguments into a file and call that file with the -f switch to at. 2) You could call at with a "here document". Something like: $at now < cp -v /etc/hosts /tmp/hosts.out > FIN Hope this helps. Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From channing-c at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 10 16:46:38 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Mon Jul 10 16:46:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT command help In-Reply-To: <128bff2f0607101340l5f35f965j12d389c6eab131a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <128bff2f0607101340l5f35f965j12d389c6eab131a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B2CABE.60806@satx.rr.com> Zeb Fletcher wrote: > I have a script Perl script that current runs via cron that checks for > the > existence of a file on a remote website, if the file does not exist it > resubmits itself to re-run using the at command. The problem is that > the URL > to the website has a date in it and the way the script is written to grab > the URL gets a date from a function in the script. If I don't get the > file > by midnight the script start processing the wrong date. I can fix this > simply by adding a simple if-then-else statement to check for a date from > the command line. What I'm having trouble is submitting the command line > option to at if the file doesn't exist at doesn't allow for parameter > option > to the command line. > > Can anybody suggest an alternative to using at that would easy to > implement > with Perl. > > > Thanks > > Zeb Ahh - BTW, did you know there is a Schedule::At module (I didn't). You could install it with something like: # perl -MCPAN -e 'install Schedule::At' At that point, the perldoc Schedule::At is pretty straightforward. Let me know if you have any problems. Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 17:31:48 2006 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Mon Jul 10 17:31:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT command help In-Reply-To: <44B2C83C.5070308@satx.rr.com> References: <128bff2f0607101340l5f35f965j12d389c6eab131a8@mail.gmail.com> <44B2C83C.5070308@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0607101531h1b954b5fx900564b60a0142a@mail.gmail.com> On 7/10/06, Channing wrote: > > Zeb Fletcher wrote: > > I have a script Perl script that current runs via cron that checks for > > the > > existence of a file on a remote website, if the file does not exist it > > resubmits itself to re-run using the at command. The problem is that > > the URL > > to the website has a date in it and the way the script is written to > grab > > the URL gets a date from a function in the script. If I don't get the > > file > > by midnight the script start processing the wrong date. I can fix this > > simply by adding a simple if-then-else statement to check for a date > from > > the command line. What I'm having trouble is submitting the command line > > option to at if the file doesn't exist at doesn't allow for parameter > > option > > to the command line. > > > > Can anybody suggest an alternative to using at that would easy to > > implement > > with Perl. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Zeb > Hi Zeb, > > If I understand your issue correctly, the at command is trying to use > the options you are attempting to pass to your perl script and erroring > as a result - is this correct? I see two possibilities that you could > try. > > 1) You can put the command with arguments into a file and call that file > with the -f switch to at. > 2) You could call at with a "here document". Something like: > > $at now < > cp -v /etc/hosts /tmp/hosts.out > > FIN > > > Hope this helps. > Channing > > -- > A: Yes. > > Q: Are you sure? > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > It looks like "here document" will work built a little test script to try it out. just need to add this to the script and test it #!/usr/bin/perl $x = shift(@ARGV); if ($x) { print "Command argument: $x\n"; system("at -m now+1 minute < Does anyone know of a place in town that can repair a cannon bubble jet printer? It is a small portable model that has worked well on the road but stopped printing. A new cartridge did not do the trick. From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:40:32 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Mon Jul 10 19:40:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] network card Message-ID: <20060711004032.3925.qmail@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> how can i put my network adapter in promiscuous mode? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jul 10 19:58:19 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jul 10 19:58:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] network card In-Reply-To: <20060711004032.3925.qmail@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060711004032.3925.qmail@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B2F7AB.4040207@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Chris wrote: >how can i put my network adapter in promiscuous mode? > > ifconfig --help Usage: ifconfig [-a] [-i] [-v] [-s] [[]
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] [metric ] [mtu ] [[-]trailers] [[-]arp] [[-]allmulti] [multicast] [[-]promisc] [mem_start ] [io_addr ] [irq ] [media ] [txqueuelen ] [[-]dynamic] [up|down] ... -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From comptech3 at mikeester.com Mon Jul 10 20:28:37 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (Michael Ester) Date: Mon Jul 10 20:28:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] network card In-Reply-To: <20060711004032.3925.qmail@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060711004032.3925.qmail@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060710202837.25fc6680@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Chris wrote: > how can i put my network adapter in promiscuous mode? > Uhhh, buy it dinner and a bunch of roses? Sorry, but it sounds like a bad riddle. :D From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Mon Jul 10 20:34:59 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Mon Jul 10 20:35:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] network card In-Reply-To: <20060710202837.25fc6680@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> References: <20060711004032.3925.qmail@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060710202837.25fc6680@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44B30043.8050308@cox-internet.com> Michael Ester wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT) > Chris wrote: > > >> how can i put my network adapter in promiscuous mode? >> >> > Uhhh, buy it dinner and a bunch of roses? > > Sorry, but it sounds like a bad riddle. :D > Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker! From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Mon Jul 10 22:11:08 2006 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Mon Jul 10 22:12:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Repair Cannon printer In-Reply-To: <1152572325.22122.6.camel@monarch.radvany.home> References: <1152572325.22122.6.camel@monarch.radvany.home> Message-ID: <44B316CC.30905@futuretechsolutions.com> What are the symptoms? When you replaced the cartridge, did you just replace just the ink tanks, or the entire print head? Charles Martin Radvany wrote: > Does anyone know of a place in town that can repair a cannon bubble jet > printer? It is a small portable model that has worked well on the road > but stopped printing. A new cartridge did not do the trick. > > From fhuddles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 01:42:55 2006 From: fhuddles at yahoo.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Tue Jul 11 01:46:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: How to change the keyboard language In-Reply-To: <44B2B07A.1070009@yahoo.com> References: <44B2B07A.1070009@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B3486F.6070105@yahoo.com> I think I have found the answer to my own question: setxkbmap. To change to Spanish character mappings, I just enter: setxkbmap -layout es and then to change back to us English, I do setxkbmap -layout us I found this article that introduced it to me: http://www.tldp.org/linuxfocus/English/October2004/article351.shtml One does have to be careful with it, though: the first time I tried it I used "la" for the mapping, thinking it would get me Latin American Spanish. I don't know what it got me, but only rectangular lozenge shapes appeared when I typed any character, and they weren't recognized. I recalled an earlier "setxkbmap" command, and copied and pasted the letters "u" and "s" to get back. ?Ahora estoy dispuesto de escribir con los letras de Espa?ol y Ingl?s! Frank H. From donkrebs at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 11 05:30:39 2006 From: donkrebs at sbcglobal.net (Don Krebs) Date: Tue Jul 11 05:30:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE:Repair Cannon printer (Martin Radvany) Message-ID: <20060711103039.23972.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> More than a few times these folks have bailed me out of a "printer jam" dk Micro-Fix 2241 Nw Military Highway Ste 302 San Antonio, TX, 78213-4927 (210) 525-1902 From realmcking at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 05:40:20 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Tue Jul 11 05:40:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm In-Reply-To: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/9/06, Chris wrote: > I'm almost sure I need a module for my kernel and maybe some other software. I'm not sure how to do that. > > > > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l > I know fot a fact that Ubuntu loads the kernel modules for md and lvm by default. It's one of the init scripts that runs during startup. You don't need to manually load the kernel modules unless you have disabled that script. I would imagine that you need to use the pv*, vg*, lv* tools to actually create the pieces on disk to have an LVM partition. Please see the links to the fine tutorials provided. -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From realmcking at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 05:40:38 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Tue Jul 11 05:40:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] lvm In-Reply-To: References: <20060709213611.57041.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/06, Mark McCoy wrote: > On 7/9/06, Chris wrote: > > I'm almost sure I need a module for my kernel and maybe some other software. I'm not sure how to do that. > > > > > > > > ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l > > > > I know fot a fact that Ubuntu loads the kernel modules for md and lvm > by default. It's one of the init scripts that runs during startup. > You don't need to manually load the kernel modules unless you have > disabled that script. > > I would imagine that you need to use the pv*, vg*, lv* tools to > actually create the pieces on disk to have an LVM partition. Please > see the links to the fine tutorials provided. > -- > Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek > > Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from > revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from > accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent > with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower > s/fot/for/ argh... -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From realmcking at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 05:50:27 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Tue Jul 11 05:50:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft posts plug-in for Office conversion In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3EC3@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3EC3@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: On 7/10/06, DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/41266-1.html > > Here's another one. > > Ok Bob Tracy...my prediction is coming closer to being true. Back at Kelly > in 1992 I said it would be 11 years before MS started to crumble...oops I > missed it a few years. > > Walt > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Intersesting that: a) these are BSD licensed b) they are available via sourceforge c) they have been in progress since Septemeber Hrm..draw what conclusions that you will... -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From realmcking at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 05:53:18 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Tue Jul 11 05:53:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft posts plug-in for Office conversion In-Reply-To: References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3EC3@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: s/Setemeber/September/ Argh.. it is too early in the morning. On 7/11/06, Mark McCoy wrote: > On 7/10/06, DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > > http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/41266-1.html > > > > Here's another one. > > > > Ok Bob Tracy...my prediction is coming closer to being true. Back at Kelly > > in 1992 I said it would be 11 years before MS started to crumble...oops I > > missed it a few years. > > > > Walt > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > Intersesting that: > > a) these are BSD licensed > > b) they are available via sourceforge > > c) they have been in progress since Septemeber > > Hrm..draw what conclusions that you will... > > -- > Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek > > Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from > revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from > accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent > with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower > -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Tue Jul 11 08:42:46 2006 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Tue Jul 11 08:42:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Equipment to give away.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F56057329D7@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> Alright, I have a few items that I will give away. If interested, email me at sexton@idxwebservices.com and let me know. This is available for pickup in North Central San Antonio and needs to get gone ASAP (according to my wife that is) Anway, I have a 2 bay 5.25" SCSI external enclosure with power supply and terminiating block. I just removed the last SCSI CD that I had in there so it is dusty but working fine. Also, I have a CompUSA 802.11b wireless access point. I have no cd or docs for this but it was working when pulled to be replaced by something that does g and n. Lastly, a netgear 3 port (I think) parallel print server. This one has been offline for a while but I think it was working when pulled. If you are interested in any of this, let me know via email ASAP as I will be making a trip to Goodwill later this week and this stuff will go otherwise. I thought that I would offer it here first since I get a lot of good information from SATLUG. Art Sexton sexton@idxwebservices.com ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From sbender at humana.com Tue Jul 11 08:53:33 2006 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Tue Jul 11 08:53:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Equipment to give away.... In-Reply-To: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F56057329D7@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: You have Email Art! Shawn Bender Humana DSI 8119 Datapoint Dr San Antonio, TX. 78229 "Sexton, Art, ISD" Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 07/11/2006 08:42 AM Please respond to "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" To "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" cc Subject [SATLUG] Equipment to give away.... Alright, I have a few items that I will give away. If interested, email me at sexton@idxwebservices.com and let me know. This is available for pickup in North Central San Antonio and needs to get gone ASAP (according to my wife that is) Anway, I have a 2 bay 5.25" SCSI external enclosure with power supply and terminiating block. I just removed the last SCSI CD that I had in there so it is dusty but working fine. Also, I have a CompUSA 802.11b wireless access point. I have no cd or docs for this but it was working when pulled to be replaced by something that does g and n. Lastly, a netgear 3 port (I think) parallel print server. This one has been offline for a while but I think it was working when pulled. If you are interested in any of this, let me know via email ASAP as I will be making a trip to Goodwill later this week and this stuff will go otherwise. I thought that I would offer it here first since I get a lot of good information from SATLUG. Art Sexton sexton@idxwebservices.com ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Tue Jul 11 09:00:10 2006 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Tue Jul 11 09:00:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Equipment to give away.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F5605732A04@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> That was fast...the stuff is spoken for Geoff has the case and Shawn has the other stuff. I will email you guys off list. Thanks! Sexton -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Bender Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:54 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Equipment to give away.... You have Email Art! Shawn Bender Humana DSI 8119 Datapoint Dr San Antonio, TX. 78229 "Sexton, Art, ISD" Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 07/11/2006 08:42 AM Please respond to "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" To "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" cc Subject [SATLUG] Equipment to give away.... Alright, I have a few items that I will give away. If interested, email me at sexton@idxwebservices.com and let me know. This is available for pickup in North Central San Antonio and needs to get gone ASAP (according to my wife that is) Anway, I have a 2 bay 5.25" SCSI external enclosure with power supply and terminiating block. I just removed the last SCSI CD that I had in there so it is dusty but working fine. Also, I have a CompUSA 802.11b wireless access point. I have no cd or docs for this but it was working when pulled to be replaced by something that does g and n. Lastly, a netgear 3 port (I think) parallel print server. This one has been offline for a while but I think it was working when pulled. If you are interested in any of this, let me know via email ASAP as I will be making a trip to Goodwill later this week and this stuff will go otherwise. I thought that I would offer it here first since I get a lot of good information from SATLUG. Art Sexton sexton@idxwebservices.com ************************************************************************ ***** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ************************************************************************ ***** -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 09:33:20 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jul 11 09:33:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F5605732A04@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <20060711143320.48394.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Hello folks... I did a install of the php 5 package on my solaris box..I edited httpd.conf and added the loadmodule/addtype to it, copied the default php.ini.. whenever I restart httpd I get a 'exit status 6'.. If I comment out my 'LoadModule php5_module libexec/libphp5.so' then it (re)starts just fine. my webserver is apache 2... Dont know if this is enough info to go off of. If not post up and I'll give more info if needed. -alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 09:35:38 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jul 11 09:35:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: <20060711143320.48394.qmail@web54302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060711143539.40810.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> small type-o.. apache is 1.3.34 NOT 2.... --- Alex Bartonek wrote: > > Hello folks... > > > I did a install of the php 5 package on my solaris > box..I edited httpd.conf and added the > loadmodule/addtype to it, copied the default > php.ini.. > whenever I restart httpd I get a 'exit status 6'.. > If > I comment out my 'LoadModule php5_module > libexec/libphp5.so' then it (re)starts just fine. > > my webserver is apache 2... Dont know if this is > enough info to go off of. If not post up and I'll > give more info if needed. > > -alex > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 12:54:11 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jul 11 12:54:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: <20060711143539.40810.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060711175411.75080.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> here's the actual error I'm recieving.. Syntax error on line 250 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/apache/modules/libphp5.so into server: ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: libm.so.2: open failed: No such file or directory /usr/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started libm.so.2, seems as though that file is missing.. Mayhaps thats a part of SUNWlibm.. but I cannot find it as a download. Anyone? bueller? Alex --- Alex Bartonek wrote: > small type-o.. apache is 1.3.34 NOT 2.... > > --- Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > > > Hello folks... > > > > > > I did a install of the php 5 package on my solaris > > box..I edited httpd.conf and added the > > loadmodule/addtype to it, copied the default > > php.ini.. > > whenever I restart httpd I get a 'exit status 6'.. > > If > > I comment out my 'LoadModule php5_module > > libexec/libphp5.so' then it (re)starts just fine. > > > > > my webserver is apache 2... Dont know if this is > > enough info to go off of. If not post up and I'll > > give more info if needed. > > > > -alex > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rct at gherkin.frus.com Tue Jul 11 14:16:26 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Tue Jul 11 14:16:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] media recovery Message-ID: <20060711191626.AEA45DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> To the person interested in hard drive recovery services: the June 30 issue of Processor has an ad for the following firm... Data Recovery Services 8650 Freeport Parkway, Suite 150 Irving, TX 75063 877-304-7189 I have no experience or affiliation with DRS. Just passing this along. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From solinym at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 16:05:20 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Tue Jul 11 16:05:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MS to support OpenDocument now In-Reply-To: <44B23392.3010809@satx.rr.com> References: <200607100106.k6A16Qg3012944@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <44B23392.3010809@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: > "Embrace and Extend (tm)" Exactly. ``Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards'' I'm sure it's a nice sinecure for a valued employee who needs to spend more time with his family. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From jesse at liberto.org Tue Jul 11 16:06:22 2006 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Tue Jul 11 16:06:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: <20060711175411.75080.qmail@web54301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060711210629.8119816AA03@mail.ricos.com> What apache and php packages do you have installed? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Alex Bartonek Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:54 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 here's the actual error I'm recieving.. Syntax error on line 250 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/apache/modules/libphp5.so into server: ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: libm.so.2: open failed: No such file or directory /usr/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started libm.so.2, seems as though that file is missing.. Mayhaps thats a part of SUNWlibm.. but I cannot find it as a download. Anyone? bueller? Alex --- Alex Bartonek wrote: > small type-o.. apache is 1.3.34 NOT 2.... > > --- Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > > > Hello folks... > > > > > > I did a install of the php 5 package on my solaris > > box..I edited httpd.conf and added the > > loadmodule/addtype to it, copied the default > > php.ini.. > > whenever I restart httpd I get a 'exit status 6'.. > > If > > I comment out my 'LoadModule php5_module > > libexec/libphp5.so' then it (re)starts just fine. > > > > > my webserver is apache 2... Dont know if this is > > enough info to go off of. If not post up and I'll > > give more info if needed. > > > > -alex > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:14:43 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jul 11 16:14:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: <20060711210629.8119816AA03@mail.ricos.com> Message-ID: <20060711211443.19455.qmail@web54305.mail.yahoo.com> they were off of sunfreeware.com .. php 5.0.4, apache 1.3.x... on a side note.. this same install worked just fine on x86 Solaris..but thats not what I was after.. --- Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > What apache and php packages do you have installed? > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Alex Bartonek > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:54 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 > > here's the actual error I'm recieving.. > > Syntax error on line 250 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /usr/apache/modules/libphp5.so into > server: ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: libm.so.2: open > failed: > No such file or directory > /usr/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be > started > > > libm.so.2, seems as though that file is missing.. > Mayhaps thats a part of SUNWlibm.. but I cannot find > it as a download. Anyone? bueller? > > Alex > > --- Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > small type-o.. apache is 1.3.34 NOT 2.... > > > > --- Alex Bartonek > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello folks... > > > > > > > > > I did a install of the php 5 package on my > solaris > > > box..I edited httpd.conf and added the > > > loadmodule/addtype to it, copied the default > > > php.ini.. > > > whenever I restart httpd I get a 'exit status > 6'.. > > > If > > > I comment out my 'LoadModule php5_module > > > libexec/libphp5.so' then it (re)starts just > fine. > > > > > > > > my webserver is apache 2... Dont know if this > is > > > enough info to go off of. If not post up and > I'll > > > give more info if needed. > > > > > > -alex > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > to > > > unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From solinym at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 16:33:24 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Tue Jul 11 16:33:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? Message-ID: Hi, I moved some disk drives that were made with mdadm version 2.3.1 on FC5 to a gentoo box running mdadm version 2.5 and they were not recognized when I did a "mdadm --scan". Before I emailed the mdadm-relevant list, does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case, or how I could work around it? -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 16:38:38 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Jul 11 16:38:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0607111438o3ffe5c45w4b7837a3de5579b8@mail.gmail.com> Travis, any chance these drives use LVM as well? On 7/11/06, Travis H. wrote: > Hi, > > I moved some disk drives that were made with mdadm version 2.3.1 on > FC5 to a gentoo box running mdadm version 2.5 and they were not > recognized when I did a "mdadm --scan". Before I emailed the > mdadm-relevant list, does anyone have any ideas why this might be the > case, or how I could work around it? > > -- > Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. > Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From solinym at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 16:44:03 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Tue Jul 11 16:44:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Harddrive recovery companies In-Reply-To: <20060710153942.B274EDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20060710153942.B274EDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: If the drive spins up, or suffers from "stiction" (unable to spin up without a sharp blow on the side), or has a component that overheats, or bad sectors, I have specialized software and can recover much of the data for $200 (plus you will need to give me a hard disk of equal or larger size to store the recovered data). If it's a head crash I cannot recover as much as a data recovery firm with a clean room, and the more you use a drive with a crashed head, the less data is recoverable. If you aren't satisfied with the amount of data I recover, I'll wipe the new drive and return both without charge. I believe On-Track Data Recovery is located nearby, I think in San Marcos. You can find a list of data recovery firms at www.datarecoverylinks.com Expect to pay $500-$1500 for a data recovery firm to process it. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 16:52:56 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Tue Jul 11 16:52:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] network card In-Reply-To: <44B2F7AB.4040207@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <20060711004032.3925.qmail@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44B2F7AB.4040207@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On 7/10/06, Geoff wrote: > Chris wrote: > >how can i put my network adapter in promiscuous mode? > [multicast] [[-]promisc] Also this is done automagically when you run tcpdump or a similar program (i.e. one that uses libpcap). -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 17:02:14 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Tue Jul 11 17:02:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0607111438o3ffe5c45w4b7837a3de5579b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0607111438o3ffe5c45w4b7837a3de5579b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/06, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Travis, any chance these drives use LVM as well? Yes, I use LVM on top of mdadm, but I never get far enough to start trying the LVM commands. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 17:20:27 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Jul 11 17:20:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? In-Reply-To: References: <79ec289f0607111438o3ffe5c45w4b7837a3de5579b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0607111520p593fdf53w425e334dc17f5b6c@mail.gmail.com> The Changelog for 2.5 says it doesn't work with LVM. On 7/11/06, Travis H. wrote: > On 7/11/06, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > Travis, any chance these drives use LVM as well? > > Yes, I use LVM on top of mdadm, but I never get far enough to start > trying the LVM commands. > -- > Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. > Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Jul 11 17:44:53 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Jul 11 17:44:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0607111520p593fdf53w425e334dc17f5b6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0607111438o3ffe5c45w4b7837a3de5579b8@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0607111520p593fdf53w425e334dc17f5b6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B429E5.5000904@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Uhm, I'm using lvm on top of a mdadm created raid array mdadm output: dkowis@kain:~/testing$ mdadm --version mdadm - v2.5.2 - 27 June 2006 root@kain:~# mdadm -Q -D /dev/md1 /dev/md1: Version : 00.90.03 Creation Time : Sat Jul 1 16:29:05 2006 Raid Level : raid1 Array Size : 244198464 (232.89 GiB 250.06 GB) Device Size : 244198464 (232.89 GiB 250.06 GB) Raid Devices : 2 Total Devices : 2 Preferred Minor : 1 Persistence : Superblock is persistent Update Time : Tue Jul 11 17:43:47 2006 State : clean Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 0 Spare Devices : 0 UUID : a8edc496:6dcdc439:4c214eb3:9ac08e90 Events : 0.217601 Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 0 33 0 0 active sync /dev/hde 1 34 0 1 active sync /dev/hdg And the LVM output root@kain:~# pvs PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/md1 raid lvm2 a- 232.88G 0 root@kain:~# vgs VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree raid 1 8 0 wz--n- 232.88G 0 root@kain:~# lvs LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% backup raid -wi-ao 40.00G database raid -wi-ao 3.00G ftp raid -wi-ao 3.00G homes raid -wi-ao 60.00G movies raid -wi-ao 45.88G mp3s raid -wi-ao 30.00G software raid -wi-ao 50.00G www raid -wi-ao 1.00G It does indeed work :) Jeremy Mann wrote: > The Changelog for 2.5 says it doesn't work with LVM. > > On 7/11/06, Travis H. wrote: >> On 7/11/06, Jeremy Mann wrote: >> > Travis, any chance these drives use LVM as well? >> >> Yes, I use LVM on top of mdadm, but I never get far enough to start >> trying the LVM commands. >> -- >> Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. >> Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ >> -><- >> GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > - -- David Kowis +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Cauldron Component Lead | | SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org | | | | Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying | | to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLQp5cnf+vRw63ObAQKIrAv9EuuBrGa3sUUKlqD5wEDkKOFBEXr/VI+D PSuSALKn2SLWeeA/x91pSIJtEE8J4lAHu5Wik5GTMGpSgJDVW9KKV15zUFD0+WSh P1GbDBgnx24H0N0JtX/bK5eau2iNak6iwcg26LNt8p+yNQeGUD58lnqyvCoYsp5h tcMrPjkvC2Ztls0C0TpH8IULE8wZxmonYILNx8yDplcsy6AD6qIrq+AEIZWdCtfX ciHv2L5jF3kurVRvSUsLF+zuJFaoMdf+fTCCNPkvbtbAwnVgbqyifNVZZXPxkwl3 pxwNIUtSlT7ov6INIoRbstyjgiHI7YiLyekpKZ70aq4Y3NNF2v93kCS8nxSIOojG GZLXxLmDS6NkG2AGTNGxOBu5ayoE6r/wNJ2k14IqvqE3XNxrKRz8NLrVNp1UbCHR kjXbeMgHbsDW+qwOYuVoI6yjw8P4wH6ASdee2bZ9yhWdkByhLLkpA/GwYpQLWe6r 9ol0zoBmGWeD18Mwwh9xfhYA46hx5f9n =pzRx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From solinym at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 17:48:08 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Tue Jul 11 17:48:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0607111520p593fdf53w425e334dc17f5b6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0607111438o3ffe5c45w4b7837a3de5579b8@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0607111520p593fdf53w425e334dc17f5b6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/06, Jeremy Mann wrote: > The Changelog for 2.5 says it doesn't work with LVM. What it probably means is that you can't do md on top of LVM, perhaps because they both write in the headers of the partition. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From tweeks at rackspace.com Tue Jul 11 18:47:37 2006 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Tue Jul 11 18:47:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest, Wed-Sat at Kelly USA Message-ID: <200607111847.37900.tweeks@rackspace.com> Hey all, Tomorrow night the 4 day Open Source Fest begins at the Advanced Technology Center on Kelly USA: http://tinyurl.com/jyevo This event by SATLUG.org, XCSSA.org and ACCD.edu is a three night one full day (Sat) celebration of Open Source Technologies. The event will include give aways but will mainly focus on Open Source presentations covering business, scientific and recreational uses of Linux, BSD Unix, Apache, and similar O.S./FLOSS software [sic]. The open to the public, somewhat technical sessions will be on the following topics: o Linux Newbies Workshop* o Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP Workshop* o TCP/IP Nuts and Bolts o NewI\O: A New Approach to Internet Applications o The Source Code - A Messenger Implementation From Scratch o Shell scripting and regular expressions* (by Michael Roberts) o BSD--A Survey: NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD o Building Applications Using: LAMP and GNUPlot o State of the Linux Desktop (by yours truly) * These sessions are hands on -- class hardware provided. If interested in the session time slots (some are multi-part sessions), see the web site for the event: http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ Rackspace HR and a few support folks will be there on Saturday from 10am-2pm giving out free pizza and recruiting for tech positions! Stop by and say "hi!". We usually get around 200 or so San Antonians in attendance, but this year we're expecting some attendees from Austin and San Marcos, so it may be crowded! :) MySA.com coverage of the event is light, but there none the less: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA071106.0B.rdp.computers.4714adb7.html Hope to see you there! Tweeks -- Thomas Weeks, Lead Sys. Engineer The Managed Hosting Specialist(TM) Rackspace Managed Hosting http://www.rackspace.com/ From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Jul 11 19:23:10 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Jul 11 19:23:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest, Wed-Sat at Kelly USA In-Reply-To: <200607111847.37900.tweeks@rackspace.com> References: <200607111847.37900.tweeks@rackspace.com> Message-ID: <44B440EE.3020104@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 tweeks wrote: > Hope to see you there! > > Tweeks Awww, the Network Intrusion Detection "workshop" vanished :( I was gonna go to that, as I've got a project to do in college on it. - -- David Kowis +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Cauldron Component Lead | | SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org | | | | Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying | | to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLRA7snf+vRw63ObAQL+cgwAiydKwKaONZdZ4uhkGCdjrK6IEl4Lmwkj 3SwTBODHRTnF+zuihH9f5AwMr+gZYsFvKpfhRhmBUO5VcUxHd596617U3z8+9NXk GPs/4TUA7ar/M0UhwvxMfhCXTsfJHcLSSxzM4C94cYHyYo0k0ZHO6MGL69gywuuf dpQ181V3zzllQIYeUkrKLvttQVjzDYXRW836vq1eUr6oisyRubDYe8Z2AThj/0zE VN6hH7QjQ5MJz/Q/QYVOr7eqYsNmRJfGKLAgfQ/RNefEq3tvbGvPABJhVjqbdSvP sEUiuFpSCNYdgRThLxnq1poSDl0r4Eu6rGmj8AVf6GHGQO7b7yrERMPbXYV9m/sr BDn0uFrSQmRPhGrNkNhvnk/T4Oto081nCTE6RTGshS3bycyp6bQ5YAS0uoMwQmrf b8VzotGpRAuBu2dWFJRnBHzHbB80lPGM3M3vD6zd7ohBAZRSM/nEelwMjKYED+6X iQq+d2nTmr8jiGt+sEdAe9iZattkbneN =BR2R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gsherette at satx.rr.com Tue Jul 11 19:30:58 2006 From: gsherette at satx.rr.com (Gerald Sherette) Date: Tue Jul 11 19:31:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] No bell in Gnome Terminal (FC5) Message-ID: <200607111930.58954.gsherette@satx.rr.com> A few days ago I installed FC5 on a new partition. Everything audio seemed to work ... I could play wavs and mp3s from Gnome Terminal. I even had system sounds ... except there was no beep at all for an attempted TAB completion. I tried everything I could think of or find by by Googling: Unchecked the system bell in Terminal settings Unmuted the pc speaker Turned up all the output volumes modprobe -v pcspkr setterm -blength 2000 etc with no change. However probably the most telling symptom is that even with visible bell configured there is no response to echo -ne \\a. I finally gave up and installed KDE ... audible bell and visual bell both worked immediately in Konsole. I've never tried Gnome before (could ya tell? :-) so any hint as to what's happening or where to get more information would be greatly appreciated. Jerry From mkr777 at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 19:39:12 2006 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Tue Jul 11 19:39:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Harddrive recovery companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is my 0.02. If the hard drive spins, I would have a copy made to another good hard drive before handing the failed drive for any recovery effort. I did this when my hard drive failed last time. mkr On 7/10/06, Thomas King wrote: > > One of our campus TSRs needs some info on any harddrive recovery companies > that anyone has used. A drive died and that department did not backup the > information. :( > > "I have a hard drive that has died-and there was no backup. I was > wondering > if anyone has had any experience with any 'data recovery' companies? If > so, > which one(s), where they able to recover any data, what kind of time frame > and what kind of expense was incurred? Any advice, information and/or > input > would be greatly appreciated?" > > > Thanks! > Tom King, UTHSCSA Travel > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From realmcking at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 20:52:47 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Tue Jul 11 20:52:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: <20060711211443.19455.qmail@web54305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060711210629.8119816AA03@mail.ricos.com> <20060711211443.19455.qmail@web54305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/06, Alex Bartonek wrote: > they were off of sunfreeware.com .. php 5.0.4, apache > 1.3.x... > > on a side note.. this same install worked just fine on > x86 Solaris..but thats not what I was after.. > > --- Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > > > What apache and php packages do you have installed? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > > Of Alex Bartonek > > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:54 PM > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 > > > > here's the actual error I'm recieving.. > > > > Syntax error on line 250 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: > > Cannot load /usr/apache/modules/libphp5.so into > > server: ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: libm.so.2: open > > failed: > > No such file or directory > > /usr/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be > > started > > > > > > libm.so.2, seems as though that file is missing.. > > Mayhaps thats a part of SUNWlibm.. but I cannot find > > it as a download. Anyone? bueller? > > > > Alex > > > > --- Alex Bartonek > > wrote: > > > > > small type-o.. apache is 1.3.34 NOT 2.... > > > > > > --- Alex Bartonek > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello folks... > > > > > > > > > > > > I did a install of the php 5 package on my > > solaris > > > > box..I edited httpd.conf and added the > > > > loadmodule/addtype to it, copied the default > > > > php.ini.. > > > > whenever I restart httpd I get a 'exit status > > 6'.. > > > > If > > > > I comment out my 'LoadModule php5_module > > > > libexec/libphp5.so' then it (re)starts just > > fine. > > > > > > > > > > > my webserver is apache 2... Dont know if this > > is > > > > enough info to go off of. If not post up and > > I'll > > > > give more info if needed. > > > > > > > > -alex > > > > > > > > I have used the SFW packages for apache and php on Solaris 9 sparc and they have worked well, but I haven't used the apache1 package, just the apache 2.0.55. Did you install all of the prereqs listed on sunfreeware for apache and php?? Also, the description for php5 shows apache2 as a prereq, it doesn't say anything about apache1. -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From realmcking at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 20:54:31 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Tue Jul 11 20:54:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest, Wed-Sat at Kelly USA In-Reply-To: <44B440EE.3020104@shlrm.org> References: <200607111847.37900.tweeks@rackspace.com> <44B440EE.3020104@shlrm.org> Message-ID: Awww. I'm out of town until Friday night, and I have to work Saturday as well.... I'll be there in spirit! -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From realmcking at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 20:55:26 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Tue Jul 11 20:55:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] No bell in Gnome Terminal (FC5) In-Reply-To: <200607111930.58954.gsherette@satx.rr.com> References: <200607111930.58954.gsherette@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/06, Gerald Sherette wrote: > A few days ago I installed FC5 on a new partition. Everything audio seemed > to work ... I could play wavs and mp3s from Gnome Terminal. I even had > system sounds ... except there was no beep at all for an attempted TAB > completion. > > I tried everything I could think of or find by by Googling: > Unchecked the system bell in Terminal settings > Unmuted the pc speaker > Turned up all the output volumes > modprobe -v pcspkr > setterm -blength 2000 > etc with no change. > > However probably the most telling symptom is that even with visible bell > configured there is no response to echo -ne \\a. > > I finally gave up and installed KDE ... audible bell and visual bell both > worked immediately in Konsole. > > I've never tried Gnome before (could ya tell? :-) so any hint as to what's > happening or where to get more information would be greatly appreciated. > > Jerry > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ;-) I usually disable the bell as soon as I can! -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jul 11 21:12:45 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jul 11 21:12:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1152670365.8896.77.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 16:33 -0500, Travis H. wrote: > Hi, > > I moved some disk drives that were made with mdadm version 2.3.1 on > FC5 to a gentoo box running mdadm version 2.5 and they were not > recognized when I did a "mdadm --scan". Before I emailed the > mdadm-relevant list, does anyone have any ideas why this might be the > case, or how I could work around it? > Hey Travis, AFAIK mdadm --scan only looks at the /etc/mdadm.conf file to locate raid sets. Since you are importing a foreign raidset, and have no appropriate mdadm.conf, you need to recreate the mdadm.conf file. try this: mdadm --detail --scan If it finds the md devices simply run mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm.conf if it does not, then you need to --examine a member disk: mdadm --examine --brief /dev/sdb1 This reminds me, if you created an array on the devices without a 'Linux Raid' (type fd) partition then they will not be autodetected. Let me know where this gets you... John From solinym at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 21:17:28 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Tue Jul 11 21:17:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? In-Reply-To: <1152670365.8896.77.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <1152670365.8896.77.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: On 7/11/06, John Pappas wrote: > AFAIK mdadm --scan only looks at the /etc/mdadm.conf file to locate raid > sets. Since you are importing a foreign raidset, and have no > appropriate mdadm.conf, you need to recreate the mdadm.conf file. > > try this: > mdadm --detail --scan > > If it finds the md devices simply run > mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm.conf > > if it does not, then you need to --examine a member disk: > mdadm --examine --brief /dev/sdb1 Hmm. I tried this, but it didn't work: mdadm --assemble /dev/sd[abc] I'll try your suggestions when I make another attempt. > This reminds me, if you created an array on the devices without a 'Linux > Raid' (type fd) partition then they will not be autodetected. Hrml. :-( I created them on the raw disk devices, no partitioning used. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jul 11 21:36:34 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jul 11 21:36:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mdadm version mismatch? In-Reply-To: References: <1152670365.8896.77.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <1152671794.8896.88.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 21:17 -0500, Travis H. wrote: > On 7/11/06, John Pappas wrote: > > This reminds me, if you created an array on the devices without a 'Linux > > Raid' (type fd) partition then they will not be autodetected. > > Hrml. :-( > > I created them on the raw disk devices, no partitioning used. > -- In this case, you could manually create the mdadm.conf. Try this in as the /etc/mdadm.conf: DEVICE /dev/sd[abc] ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 devices=/dev/sda,/dev/sdb/dev/sdc Then you should be able to do a `mdadm -As` to start the array defined in your new mdadm.conf. Otherwise, you could do an `mdadm --examine /dev/sda` to get the UUID and replace the devices part above with UUID= This should get you much closer... From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Tue Jul 11 21:56:08 2006 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Tue Jul 11 21:53:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest, Wed-Sat at Kelly USA In-Reply-To: <44B440EE.3020104@shlrm.org> References: <200607111847.37900.tweeks@rackspace.com> <44B440EE.3020104@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <44B464C8.5050509@cis.sac.accd.edu> David Kowis wrote: > tweeks wrote: > > >> Hope to see you there! > >> > >> Tweeks > > Awww, the Network Intrusion Detection "workshop" vanished :( I was gonna > go to that, as I've got a project to do in college on it. > I ran out of time. If there is enough interest I will do it at a later date. > -- > David Kowis > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Cauldron Component Lead | > | SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org | > | | > | Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying | > | to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Tue Jul 11 21:56:54 2006 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Tue Jul 11 21:53:57 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest, Wed-Sat at Kelly USA In-Reply-To: References: <200607111847.37900.tweeks@rackspace.com> <44B440EE.3020104@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <44B464F6.302@cis.sac.accd.edu> Mark McCoy wrote: > Awww. I'm out of town until Friday night, and I have to work Saturday > as well.... > > I'll be there in spirit! > Bummer! Does that mean we can eat your share of the pizza? ha ha Steve From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jul 11 23:42:32 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jul 11 23:42:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Harddrive recovery companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200607112342.33049.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 11 July 2006 19:39, M K Ramadoss wrote: > Here is my 0.02. > If the hard drive spins, I would have a copy made to another good hard > drive before handing the failed drive for any recovery effort. I did this > when my hard drive failed last time. If you use Ghost.. be sure to use an identical or slightly larger drive.. and use the "forensic mode" switch from the command with "-ID". This will make and exact clone.. and not slew the heads to death.. possibly killing an already sick drive. Tweeks From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:24:34 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Wed Jul 12 00:24:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] digital rights management In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060712052434.51551.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i have about 30 gigabytes of music. it was ripped in windows unfortunately and it got drm. i had not found a way to convert or play these in linux after much research. not long ago, my friend told me he burns his drm wma music to a cd and then rips them as mp3. i might try what he said about burning music with drm to cd and then ripping it as mp3 to get rid of the drm. there is a problem. i have about 30 gigabytes of music. that would take a whole bunch of time and blank cds. do i have to burn it in the format a cd player can play, or can i burn it another way so that i can fit many more songs on a disk? can i use a dvd instead? is there any other way? thats a good idea. i just have too much music. From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:53:48 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Wed Jul 12 00:53:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script Message-ID: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How can I make a bash script to seperate my mp3 music from my wma music? My wma music cannot be played in Linux. I would like to move all of the directories with wma music to another directory. Then when I use Amarok, I can tell it not to add the wma music to the collection. The bash script should have find or slocate. Using those will find all of the wma music files. From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Jul 12 01:26:04 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Wed Jul 12 01:26:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] digital rights management In-Reply-To: <20060712052434.51551.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060712052434.51551.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200607120126.05578.nman64@n-man.com> On Wednesday 12 July 2006 00:24, Chris wrote: > i have about 30 gigabytes of music. it was ripped in windows unfortunately > and it got drm. i had not found a way to convert or play these in linux > after much research. not long ago, my friend told me he burns his drm wma > music to a cd and then rips them as mp3. i might try what he said about > burning music with drm to cd and then ripping it as mp3 to get rid of the > drm. there is a problem. i have about 30 gigabytes of music. that would > take a whole bunch of time and blank cds. do i have to burn it in the > format a cd player can play, or can i burn it another way so that i can fit > many more songs on a disk? can i use a dvd instead? is there any other way? > thats a good idea. i just have too much music. Assuming you're still using a Windows system to convert the music, you should be able to convert the music directly from one format to another. If you have already ditched that Windows system, you may be screwed. If these were ripped on your system, then you should have the licenses installed and should be able to do as you wish with the songs. You can look for conversion options in your favorite players, or you can search Google for more ideas. There are a number of tools available, you'll just have to find one that works and is comfortable to you. You may also want to consider using Ogg Vorbis[1] instead of MP3. Moving from one proprietary format to another might not be a good idea. MP3 is patent-restricted[2], and some Linux distributions, most notably Fedora Core[3], don't include MP3 support for that reason. This is the PITA you get for using Windows and proprietary codecs without doing some research first. :-/ Assuming you legally own all of the music, you have another option: rip all of your music again using the Ogg Vorbis format. This will result in a higher-quality collection. Any time you convert from one lossy format to another, you lose quality. It's a bit of a hassle compared to a batch conversion, but a fresh rip is the best way to go if you're an audiophile. If you don't legally own all of the music and can't do this... shame on you, it's what you get. [1] http://xiph.org/vorbis/ [2] http://www.mp3licensing.com/ [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3 -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Jul 12 01:38:12 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Wed Jul 12 01:38:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script In-Reply-To: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200607120138.12800.nman64@n-man.com> On Wednesday 12 July 2006 00:53, Chris wrote: > How can I make a bash script to seperate my mp3 music from my wma music? My > wma music cannot be played in Linux. I would like to move all of the > directories with wma music to another directory. Then when I use Amarok, I > can tell it not to add the wma music to the collection. The bash script > should have find or slocate. Using those will find all of the wma music > files. Well, I won't do your homework for you, but... I've attached a script I wrote last year to convert a friend's WMA collection into Ogg Vorbis. His WMAs didn't have DRM, so mplayer was able to handle the job. This uses mplayer, oggenc and vorbiscomment to do a basic transcoding job. It won't maintain tags from the music. You could easily adapt this script to simply move the songs instead or to do other types of conversions. You can also reverse engineer it to do a number of other things. Have fun. Tip: Alter the script to move instead of transcode and use the '--mirror' and '--name-only' flags. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Jul 12 02:09:20 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Wed Jul 12 02:09:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script In-Reply-To: <200607120138.12800.nman64@n-man.com> References: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200607120138.12800.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <200607120209.22036.nman64@n-man.com> On Wednesday 12 July 2006 01:38, "Patrick W. Barnes" wrote: > On Wednesday 12 July 2006 00:53, Chris wrote: > > How can I make a bash script to seperate my mp3 music from my wma music? > > My wma music cannot be played in Linux. I would like to move all of the > > directories with wma music to another directory. Then when I use Amarok, > > I can tell it not to add the wma music to the collection. The bash script > > should have find or slocate. Using those will find all of the wma music > > files. > > Well, I won't do your homework for you, but... > > I've attached a script I wrote last year to convert a friend's WMA > collection into Ogg Vorbis. His WMAs didn't have DRM, so mplayer was able > to handle the job. This uses mplayer, oggenc and vorbiscomment to do a > basic transcoding job. It won't maintain tags from the music. You could > easily adapt this script to simply move the songs instead or to do other > types of conversions. You can also reverse engineer it to do a number of > other things. Have fun. > > Tip: Alter the script to move instead of transcode and use the '--mirror' > and '--name-only' flags. > ...and apparently the d***** list manager removed the attachment, so I'll post the script online and provide a link... http://www.n-man.com/open/wma2ogg I also forgot to mention that you should use the '--destdir' flag with the '--mirror' flag. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From emon at nerdshack.com Wed Jul 12 04:25:15 2006 From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon) Date: Wed Jul 12 04:25:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Switching distro (from Slackware) Message-ID: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I am a newbie I have been using slackware for a couple a years now. The two thing that I love most about slackware was 1) Policy of minimal customization 2) Non bleeding edge Now I am thinking that it's about time I try another distor since I am a bit familiar with linux. I was looking around in and after while decided it is going to be between Ubuntu/Kubuntu;Suse;Debain. Please let me know if I should be considering any other distro as well. Now I am about to make a few comments about these ditros which may OR may not be correct. Please feel free to correct me. I AM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT ISSUES REGARDING DISTROS CAN EASILY FLARE-UP INTO A FOREST FIRE.... So please... I say again PLEASE... take it easy,keep it cool & consider that fact that I am a newbie & not always well aware of all the facts. I have no intention of sparking a fire anywhere. So here goes The way I have been hearing praises about debian's relative stability, it was obviously my first choice, but then I realized that it has really really long release cycle for stable releases!! Even longer than slackware!! which kind of spoiled the fun :-( Ubuntu/Kubuntu seems fine cos it had a release cycle of 6 months (pretty cool) but seemed too much of a bleeding edge... On the other hand Suse also has a release cycle of 6 months but seemed a bit less bleeding edge. So I am thinking may be Suse should be the choice... But does Suse has a large repository of precompiled pkgs like Debian? Does it provide free update like other distros?? Is it possible to (easily) make your own custom pkg from source like in Debian/Slackware?? How difficult is it to compile a custom kernel in Suse? do you have to go through a lot of patching & stuffs. At this point I don't know what else I should be asking about.... but any pointers,advice or suggestions will be highly appreciated Thanks Emon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEtL/7aXfQjFhZoBwRAuqMAKCtMtH/daXovxAEemcJxQ3j9nJwNwCfTavq kVAeex0awYiUgyamfaKDYC0= =lk+Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From me at josh-kerr.com Wed Jul 12 06:47:04 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Wed Jul 12 06:47:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Switching distro (from Slackware) In-Reply-To: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> References: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <1152704825.5428.4.camel@localhost> My first choice would be to use Ubuntu/Kubuntu mainly because that's what I use. The *Ubunutus are based off of Debian and like you said, has a 6 month cycle. As for Ubuntu being "bleeding edge", that's not entirely true. While it does support a lot of "edge" applications out of the box it's not nearly "bleeding edge" as Gentoo is. I have not tried Suse yet and I know a lot of people swear by it. IMHO, your choices are better off with Ubuntu/Kubuntu and Suse. No offense to Debian users out there but Ubuntu/Kubuntu is what Debian wants to be. My 0.02 On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 15:25 +0600, Emon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all > > I am a newbie > > I have been using slackware for a couple a years now. > > The two thing that I love most about slackware was > > 1) Policy of minimal customization > 2) Non bleeding edge > > Now I am thinking that it's about time I try another distor since I am a > bit familiar with linux. > > I was looking around in and after while decided it is > going to be between Ubuntu/Kubuntu;Suse;Debain. Please let me know if I > should be considering any other distro as well. > > Now I am about to make a few comments about these ditros which may OR > may not be correct. Please feel free to correct me. > > I AM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT ISSUES REGARDING DISTROS CAN EASILY > FLARE-UP INTO A FOREST FIRE.... > > So please... I say again PLEASE... take it easy,keep it cool & consider > that fact that I am a newbie & not always well aware of all the facts. > > I have no intention of sparking a fire anywhere. > > So here goes > > The way I have been hearing praises about debian's relative stability, > it was obviously my first choice, but then I realized that it has really > really long release cycle for stable releases!! Even longer than > slackware!! which kind of spoiled the fun :-( > > Ubuntu/Kubuntu seems fine cos it had a release cycle of 6 months (pretty > cool) but seemed too much of a bleeding edge... > > On the other hand Suse also has a release cycle of 6 months but seemed a > bit less bleeding edge. > So I am thinking may be Suse should be the choice... > > But does Suse has a large repository of precompiled pkgs like Debian? > > Does it provide free update like other distros?? > > Is it possible to (easily) make your own custom pkg from source like in > Debian/Slackware?? > > How difficult is it to compile a custom kernel in Suse? do you have to > go through a lot of patching & stuffs. > > At this point I don't know what else I should be asking about.... but > any pointers,advice or suggestions will be highly appreciated > > Thanks > Emon > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEtL/7aXfQjFhZoBwRAuqMAKCtMtH/daXovxAEemcJxQ3j9nJwNwCfTavq > kVAeex0awYiUgyamfaKDYC0= > =lk+Y > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jul 12 07:13:47 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jul 12 07:13:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Switching distro (from Slackware) In-Reply-To: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> References: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <1152706427.8896.128.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> As the random and somewhat vocal Suse user I will hit what I can. See below.... On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 15:25 +0600, Emon wrote: > On the other hand Suse also has a release cycle of 6 months but seemed a > bit less bleeding edge. True. The OpenSUSE is like Fedora in that they will have 'less-mature' packages available. > So I am thinking may be Suse should be the choice... I use it exclusively. > But does Suse has a large repository of precompiled pkgs like Debian? Yes. with 10.1 yum was introduced. With 3rd party repos, I have not gone wanting for a package (Except Twinkle 0.8 that is my "Work phone") > Does it provide free update like other distros?? Yes. 10.1 got a little more complicated, because the "Novellization" of Suse introduced ZEN Linux management (Formerly known as Ximian Red Carpet), but kept YaST Online Update (YOU) also. I have not quite figured out how the update process is envisioned to work, but I suspect that YOU is being phased out. > Is it possible to (easily) make your own custom pkg from source like in > Debian/Slackware?? I have not had the need, plus I don't have the experience to speak to that. > How difficult is it to compile a custom kernel in Suse? do you have to > go through a lot of patching & stuffs. I have not had to do extensive kernel work since 2.4, so I have only done this a couple times with 2.6, but it is exactly the same as any other distro, except that (AFAIK) most important variables and such are kept within /etc/sysconfig. `mkinitrd` is heavily affected by the contents of these files for example. As far as I can tell, Suse includes most (if not all) of the available kernel mods included at the time of release, so only my bleeding edge hardware has a lag of support. As a "newbie" that started on slack, it is safe to say that you will be comfortable with Suse. I have gotten lazy and use YaST extensively, but you can still hand massage if you desire. > At this point I don't know what else I should be asking about.... but > any pointers,advice or suggestions will be highly appreciated As a believer in the right tool for the job, it is a question about what you want to accomplish. If you want to see different ways to work a Linux system, I recommend that since you have seen Slack, that you also play with a Deb system and (this is for Bruce) a Linux From Scratch system. There are oddities of each that are different enough to be interesting. I like Suse because most "Commercial" Linux software companies support 2 platforms, RH ES and Suse SLES. I figure that I went Green rather than Red because I just want to be different and am 1/4 German. That probably has eclipsed .02, so I will say that is my .03. John From biigal at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 12 07:12:57 2006 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Wed Jul 12 07:15:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Repair Cannon printer References: <1152572325.22122.6.camel@monarch.radvany.home> Message-ID: <003b01c6a5ac$832d4d60$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> It is not cost effective to repair these as you can purchase a new one at less than maintenance minimums. and Usually the error is not repairable anyway -- old age wear on parts. BiigAl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Radvany" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Repair Cannon printer > Does anyone know of a place in town that can repair a cannon bubble jet > printer? It is a small portable model that has worked well on the road > but stopped printing. A new cartridge did not do the trick. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Jul 12 07:47:12 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Jul 12 07:47:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] digital rights management In-Reply-To: <200607120126.05578.nman64@n-man.com> References: <20060712052434.51551.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200607120126.05578.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <44B4EF50.4090807@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > > Assuming you legally own all of the music, you have another option: rip all of > your music again using the Ogg Vorbis format. This will result in a > higher-quality collection. Any time you convert from one lossy format to > another, you lose quality. It's a bit of a hassle compared to a batch > conversion, but a fresh rip is the best way to go if you're an audiophile. > If you don't legally own all of the music and can't do this... shame on you, > it's what you get. Just to be nitpicky, Ogg Vorbis really doesn't have that much on MP3 anymore, quality wise. The LAME encoder and a few others are quite capable of producing high quality encodings in MP3. Unfortunately, due to the severe lack of hardware products (namely in my car) that can play Ogg Vorbis files, I'm stuck with all my music in MP3. However, if you have no intention of playing mp3s in your car (without creating an audio cd of them first) ogg vorbis is the way to go. For archival purposes, there's also FLAC. Free Lossless Audio Codec. Basically, like a .wav of the song, but compressed losslessly to about half. Still big, but you can get a digital archive of your cds and save a bit of space :) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLTvUMnf+vRw63ObAQpsQQv+JNwBeQaJJQAdKgMa1WxlkfQXQnRQ54ND EkeJA1x6il2B6B7sHqhDCP+vQEtA/WpWe6/DoLTdWVw0LvwZcpXZeAAFMRqiupYb othxa9T+7tKPCuT9lLwEGTouqA/+peAZ9QNEHSoZrny/EKG3/WDFoGOj9qoEfCeT OkjEnw1kXSM5sBeYtD0XbqCzwBav8jNWHIcVEMBc6ypAS8Z5rpZXF6Vf8yPGVl2M GkRbLef6vtZJ+7LnTAvOAOE0T7tKAn6RzLo6rECawhQTa+KDqdJqd3QAisQE+SgR UNib/5SCCFSo3DokAZFLqF+oBAJrRkBL9zIM3kwL9vfEPfo0VZuO8qTzdD1Q3Jim pdm6RoQ8tI58/VleQqxEi58+aidOy/xkUlAl9OhERNZH1JXDKYlK0Xta2nM3cklX S2u6pD1Z0zySW9FjVbWnQHsVx/ui81K00xJ++pLBPAihIGPGGZeQzIezoUMHabfX S7Bnxx6iFtF3qifHsl2SIxlHBsloT87a =Nmg5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From me at josh-kerr.com Wed Jul 12 07:53:23 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (me@josh-kerr.com) Date: Wed Jul 12 07:53:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] digital rights management In-Reply-To: <44B4EF50.4090807@shlrm.org> References: <20060712052434.51551.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200607120126.05578.nman64@n-man.com> <44B4EF50.4090807@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4010.24.173.227.115.1152708803.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> Thought I'd warn all the iPod users out there, "iPods don't let iPods play Ogg." If you own an iPod or plan to own one it won't play anything but MP3s and AAC. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > >> >> Assuming you legally own all of the music, you have another option: rip >> all of >> your music again using the Ogg Vorbis format. This will result in a >> higher-quality collection. Any time you convert from one lossy format >> to >> another, you lose quality. It's a bit of a hassle compared to a batch >> conversion, but a fresh rip is the best way to go if you're an >> audiophile. >> If you don't legally own all of the music and can't do this... shame on >> you, >> it's what you get. > > Just to be nitpicky, Ogg Vorbis really doesn't have that much on MP3 > anymore, quality wise. The LAME encoder and a few others are quite > capable of producing high quality encodings in MP3. Unfortunately, due > to the severe lack of hardware products (namely in my car) that can play > Ogg Vorbis files, I'm stuck with all my music in MP3. However, if you > have no intention of playing mp3s in your car (without creating an audio > cd of them first) ogg vorbis is the way to go. > > For archival purposes, there's also FLAC. Free Lossless Audio Codec. > Basically, like a .wav of the song, but compressed losslessly to about > half. Still big, but you can get a digital archive of your cds and save > a bit of space :) > > > > - -- > David Kowis > > ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org > Source Mage GNU/Linux > > Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to > find easier ways to do something. > - Robert Heinlein > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > > iQGVAwUBRLTvUMnf+vRw63ObAQpsQQv+JNwBeQaJJQAdKgMa1WxlkfQXQnRQ54ND > EkeJA1x6il2B6B7sHqhDCP+vQEtA/WpWe6/DoLTdWVw0LvwZcpXZeAAFMRqiupYb > othxa9T+7tKPCuT9lLwEGTouqA/+peAZ9QNEHSoZrny/EKG3/WDFoGOj9qoEfCeT > OkjEnw1kXSM5sBeYtD0XbqCzwBav8jNWHIcVEMBc6ypAS8Z5rpZXF6Vf8yPGVl2M > GkRbLef6vtZJ+7LnTAvOAOE0T7tKAn6RzLo6rECawhQTa+KDqdJqd3QAisQE+SgR > UNib/5SCCFSo3DokAZFLqF+oBAJrRkBL9zIM3kwL9vfEPfo0VZuO8qTzdD1Q3Jim > pdm6RoQ8tI58/VleQqxEi58+aidOy/xkUlAl9OhERNZH1JXDKYlK0Xta2nM3cklX > S2u6pD1Z0zySW9FjVbWnQHsVx/ui81K00xJ++pLBPAihIGPGGZeQzIezoUMHabfX > S7Bnxx6iFtF3qifHsl2SIxlHBsloT87a > =Nmg5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Jul 12 08:11:37 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Jul 12 08:11:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] digital rights management In-Reply-To: <4010.24.173.227.115.1152708803.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> References: <20060712052434.51551.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200607120126.05578.nman64@n-man.com> <44B4EF50.4090807@shlrm.org> <4010.24.173.227.115.1152708803.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> Message-ID: <44B4F509.6090207@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 me@josh-kerr.com wrote: > Thought I'd warn all the iPod users out there, "iPods don't let iPods play > Ogg." If you own an iPod or plan to own one it won't play anything but > MP3s and AAC. /me does a bit of advertising :) http://www.cowonglobal.com/ I've got their X5L http://www.cowonglobal.com/product/product_X5_feature.php 35 hours battery life, plays xvid video (on a tiny ass scree :/) ogg vorbis, flac, aac (I think), mp3 and wma. Also, it's just a usb mass storage device, no fancy software needed, simply move the mp3s over. Even updating the firmware is the same way, copy the new firmware into the FIRMWARE folder. It's nice. :) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLT1CMnf+vRw63ObAQp3JQv+MwdumTxLwPFEHg/yzPn4gUh7EM3T9wna LDHXZGvGGaiUT4PdfTPNHoN0Z6qru4aOx6J7p9lWvboDWf57zenS10fwdpF635Ou xuQybvyd79MwddRaW0u08ohD9FN8wMlj84rf6bzvb1zF3iVaM0VxSM1GHQrH4FQt 8UwU8sQ1fD8ILGzsevDc0nbP5KDwPpYoumi2k8GhLlSwFhHsGzqsaV4EiFCk8v4R H2iH0m5b7Pft+hL6yFNG7F93ZyYZbHGYWnfrRJvU9lTMcpqZ+gmvo+Kl3bgVbIG/ XWi7TdGhFxiitHlHzacwYUyBv0tCU0bzCLLXumzWp0bICJIR/ClOxZVstVfRQ3MR usICVgK8GmUJjWjaXxMGFU7xPJXhRoC0p3ntmbPqpXsbAqh7m0PBVdxDaqnw/9qz H7LUlLm9uNS2D3pruGTCoeTW/6eiDSS0L32JuHDRDzCHna9UtkOQqy8T7Sk99UnC NPbsZnxHioIPFwcck3tZsP/bXua4Dkfx =J7f6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 08:24:00 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Jul 12 08:24:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060712132400.13879.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> same issue.. I have apache2 installed on my box but get the same message.. ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: libm.so.2: open failed: No such file or directory --- Mark McCoy wrote: > On 7/11/06, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > they were off of sunfreeware.com .. php 5.0.4, > apache > > 1.3.x... > > > > on a side note.. this same install worked just > fine on > > x86 Solaris..but thats not what I was after.. > > > > --- Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > > > > > What apache and php packages do you have > installed? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > > > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > > > Of Alex Bartonek > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:54 PM > > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing > List > > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 > > > > > > here's the actual error I'm recieving.. > > > > > > Syntax error on line 250 of > /etc/apache/httpd.conf: > > > Cannot load /usr/apache/modules/libphp5.so into > > > server: ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: libm.so.2: open > > > failed: > > > No such file or directory > > > /usr/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not > be > > > started > > > > > > > > > libm.so.2, seems as though that file is > missing.. > > > Mayhaps thats a part of SUNWlibm.. but I cannot > find > > > it as a download. Anyone? bueller? > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > --- Alex Bartonek > > > wrote: > > > > > > > small type-o.. apache is 1.3.34 NOT 2.... > > > > > > > > --- Alex Bartonek > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello folks... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did a install of the php 5 package on my > > > solaris > > > > > box..I edited httpd.conf and added the > > > > > loadmodule/addtype to it, copied the default > > > > > php.ini.. > > > > > whenever I restart httpd I get a 'exit > status > > > 6'.. > > > > > If > > > > > I comment out my 'LoadModule php5_module > > > > > libexec/libphp5.so' then it (re)starts just > > > fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my webserver is apache 2... Dont know if > this > > > is > > > > > enough info to go off of. If not post up > and > > > I'll > > > > > give more info if needed. > > > > > > > > > > -alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used the SFW packages for apache and php on > Solaris 9 sparc and > they have worked well, but I haven't used the > apache1 package, just > the apache 2.0.55. > > Did you install all of the prereqs listed on > sunfreeware for apache > and php?? Also, the description for php5 shows > apache2 as a prereq, > it doesn't say anything about apache1. > > -- > Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek > > Here in America we are descended in blood and in > spirit from > revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared > to dissent from > accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never > confuse honest dissent > with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From comptech3 at mikeester.com Wed Jul 12 08:42:22 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (Michael Ester) Date: Wed Jul 12 08:42:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Switching distro (from Slackware) In-Reply-To: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> References: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <20060712084222.05042889@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:25:15 +0600 Emon wrote: > Now I am thinking that it's about time I try another distor since I am a > bit familiar with linux. > > I was looking around in and after while decided it is > going to be between Ubuntu/Kubuntu;Suse;Debain. Please let me know if I > should be considering any other distro as well. > I consider myself more of a Debian guy, but I dabble with the Debian-based distros quite a bit. My work laptop dual-boots W2K and Debian Etch, but my office desktop is Ubuntu. My home machine is running Xubuntu. It's not bad. -- Mike Ester From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 08:51:30 2006 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Wed Jul 12 08:51:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Bootable CD Question In-Reply-To: <8i8g92hdg66otnq2ssod934fnhbf04eqv2@4ax.com> References: <99af515b0606200846h66f94389w3b005ba6776f5ba7@mail.gmail.com> <8i8g92hdg66otnq2ssod934fnhbf04eqv2@4ax.com> Message-ID: <99af515b0607120651i3ac5b8ao62a4ed8449b9aecb@mail.gmail.com> > > > That backup system sounds like a good project. Can you document it on the > SATLUG WIKI (www.satlug.org/wiki) or present it at a future meeting? > --Don > > -- > Cry 'Yvahk' and let slip the GNUs of war! > --Don 391925f6 Sorry, for the late reply. I'm busy for the time being but when it slows down here at work and I have a some free time from other projects that I am working on outside of work I would love to explain the system at a meeting though it is a work in progress aswell. It would be a great chance for me to meet everyone. :) From channing-c at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 12 09:41:18 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Wed Jul 12 09:41:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: <20060712132400.13879.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060712132400.13879.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B50A0E.3040804@satx.rr.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > same issue.. I have apache2 installed on my box but > get the same message.. > > ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: libm.so.2: open failed: No such > file or directory > > > > --- Mark McCoy wrote: > > >> On 7/11/06, Alex Bartonek >> wrote: >> >>> they were off of sunfreeware.com .. php 5.0.4, >>> >> apache >> >>> 1.3.x... >>> >>> on a side note.. this same install worked just >>> >> fine on >> >>> x86 Solaris..but thats not what I was after.. >>> >>> --- Jesse Gonzalez wrote: >>> >>> >>>> What apache and php packages do you have >>>> >> installed? >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >>>> [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Alex Bartonek >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:54 PM >>>> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing >>>> >> List >> >>>> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 >>>> >>>> here's the actual error I'm recieving.. >>>> >>>> Syntax error on line 250 of >>>> >> /etc/apache/httpd.conf: >> >>>> Cannot load /usr/apache/modules/libphp5.so into >>>> server: ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: libm.so.2: open >>>> failed: >>>> No such file or directory >>>> /usr/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not >>>> >> be >> >>>> started >>>> >>>> >>>> libm.so.2, seems as though that file is >>>> >> missing.. >> >>>> Mayhaps thats a part of SUNWlibm.. but I cannot >>>> >> find >> >>>> it as a download. Anyone? bueller? >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> --- Alex Bartonek >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> small type-o.. apache is 1.3.34 NOT 2.... >>>>> >>>>> --- Alex Bartonek >>>>> >> >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello folks... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I did a install of the php 5 package on my >>>>>> >>>> solaris >>>> >>>>>> box..I edited httpd.conf and added the >>>>>> loadmodule/addtype to it, copied the default >>>>>> php.ini.. >>>>>> whenever I restart httpd I get a 'exit >>>>>> >> status >> >>>> 6'.. >>>> >>>>>> If >>>>>> I comment out my 'LoadModule php5_module >>>>>> libexec/libphp5.so' then it (re)starts just >>>>>> >>>> fine. >>>> >>>>>> my webserver is apache 2... Dont know if >>>>>> >> this >> >>>> is >>>> >>>>>> enough info to go off of. If not post up >>>>>> >> and >> >>>> I'll >>>> >>>>>> give more info if needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> -alex >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> I have used the SFW packages for apache and php on >> Solaris 9 sparc and >> they have worked well, but I haven't used the >> apache1 package, just >> the apache 2.0.55. >> >> Did you install all of the prereqs listed on >> sunfreeware for apache >> and php?? Also, the description for php5 shows >> apache2 as a prereq, >> it doesn't say anything about apache1. >> >> -- >> Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek >> >> Here in America we are descended in blood and in >> spirit from >> revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared >> to dissent from >> accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never >> confuse honest dissent >> with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > This may or may not help as I don't have a version 9 at my disposal, but have you tried Sun's site for the libm.so.2 ? That object may not be classified as SFW software and would need to be retrieved from Sun. Hope this helps, Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From kingttx at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 10:39:29 2006 From: kingttx at hotmail.com (Thomas King) Date: Wed Jul 12 10:39:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: <20060712131228.858E043D8C6@satlug.org> Message-ID: >Thought I'd warn all the iPod users out there, "iPods don't let iPods play >Ogg." If you own an iPod or plan to own one it won't play anything but >MP3s and AAC. If you are feeling pretty brave, there is a replacement firmware for some iPods to allow ogg vorbis playback: http://www.rockbox.org/ Good luck! Tom King From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 10:56:05 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Jul 12 10:56:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Thomas King wrote: >> Thought I'd warn all the iPod users out there, "iPods don't let iPods >> play >> Ogg." If you own an iPod or plan to own one it won't play anything but >> MP3s and AAC. > > If you are feeling pretty brave, there is a replacement firmware for > some iPods to allow ogg vorbis playback: > http://www.rockbox.org/ > > Good luck! > Tom King > > I don't understand what all the fuss is about the iPod. It plays back more than just MP3 and AAC. On the http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html page they list the formats that it will play. I never understood all the hype about OGG anyway. Everytime I tried to encode an ogg they skipped or created really huge file sizes. For the same file size, MP3 always sounded better to me. Maybe instead of griping about the iPod, perhaps the linuxy geeks should be suporting what Fluendo are doing in getting MP3 legal for linux. MP3 is here to stay gents. It is a ubiquitous format that is only technically "not free." OGG and FLAC will only be used by serious geeks and will likely never be available for mainstream devices. The Cowon devices don't count. Perhaps you should save your breath for complaining about the "Plays for Sure" nonsense that MS are trying to push on everyone. Don't bag on Apple just because they are sucessful. The iPod just friggin' works! Syncing is easy, and you can plug it into any machine running the big three OSes, Win, Lin, and Mac. It is so popular because anybody can pick one up and use it, and everyone can make MP3s to put on it. An if your ears are so sensitive that they can hear the compression on a 320kbps VBR encoded MP3, then you can save your files as an uncompressed (industry-standard) AIFF file. ~Nate From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Jul 12 11:03:21 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Jul 12 11:03:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B51D49.50807@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 pixelnate wrote: > Thomas King wrote: >>> Thought I'd warn all the iPod users out there, "iPods don't let iPods >>> play >>> Ogg." If you own an iPod or plan to own one it won't play anything but >>> MP3s and AAC. >> >> If you are feeling pretty brave, there is a replacement firmware for >> some iPods to allow ogg vorbis playback: >> http://www.rockbox.org/ >> >> Good luck! >> Tom King >> >> > I don't understand what all the fuss is about the iPod. It plays back > more than just MP3 and AAC. On the http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html > page they list the formats that it will play. I never understood all the > hype about OGG anyway. Everytime I tried to encode an ogg they skipped > or created really huge file sizes. For the same file size, MP3 always > sounded better to me. I'd have to say that your expierences with Ogg Vorbis are not typical. > > Maybe instead of griping about the iPod, perhaps the linuxy geeks should > be suporting what Fluendo are doing in getting MP3 legal for linux. MP3 > is here to stay gents. It is a ubiquitous format that is only > technically "not free." OGG and FLAC will only be used by serious geeks > and will likely never be available for mainstream devices. The Cowon > devices don't count. Perhaps you should save your breath for complaining > about the "Plays for Sure" nonsense that MS are trying to push on everyone. MP3 is very much "not free." Programs that are decoders have to pay a fee for each package they've shipped. Or pay $60k for a lifetime license. I don't see how the Cowan devices don't count... They're out there, marketed and quite successful. Sounds like mainstream to me. Like it or not, regardless of how popular it is, Mp3 is as far from free (beer or speech) as you can get. > Don't bag on Apple just because they are sucessful. The iPod just > friggin' works! Syncing is easy, and you can plug it into any machine > running the big three OSes, Win, Lin, and Mac. It is so popular because > anybody can pick one up and use it, and everyone can make MP3s to put on > it. An if your ears are so sensitive that they can hear the compression > on a 320kbps VBR encoded MP3, then you can save your files as an > uncompressed (industry-standard) AIFF file. > IMHO the iPod is popular because of an extremely successful marketing scheme. The iPod isn't really any better than any of the other Mp3 players. In some aspects it's worse. And in some it's better. However, people want one because it's "cool." People want to be seen with their white headphones. Not because it's the greatest device there ever was. - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLUdScnf+vRw63ObAQrolQwAjS+ubZ1buZp06UivbH6P/eV6lz328R1g MCNbNPaC8Hd2UbPUHLxQueor32epE1NOd5HdZnFwWQeWYS62VOzEptj0L/UkXxsL wgvtr+olo0Q5VzKS/3LAQN4biaE6BCqmCg0dx0nEKFX3lKPXkg9eoszwI+WejhX0 deg+hnM8ytbZNkfKGoZYBygklr5eVKUH54BLuAcjpk3Qq/nwIys4uzWWKFFr/5rV P+17MH/9Gxzz4H59VweXh8DBsMWDwr1SADvA4eMjUSytPP5dEhKr8/4aOaWeQaD0 iwDyzXlFcZOWl1H+GIAd9mHQ9ck64HBLrNoAtuEJQFN0MxLjf+U5yY1ziBc1o1EV dlOBcB7JxRKKLl8j5T1zPhUmADzGocmVv7XxRvXUvgujIAsTAPJL5E4C8Tjy0PAQ sa6NJ/N0g/hFyFSqnO6W8h9iwyLLqK/5BkfveQlgCYyEe+G1HvcKSlVrskK7+8Nc eScEoJ9ZvXMyiArBfM354xJK9ufIr25v =XcL2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 11:25:56 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Jul 12 11:26:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: <44B51D49.50807@shlrm.org> References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> <44B51D49.50807@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <44B52294.2080101@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > I'd have to say that your expierences with Ogg Vorbis are not typical. > > Apparently. That said, my experience left such a bad taste in my mouth that I will never try it again. >> Maybe instead of griping about the iPod, perhaps the linuxy geeks should >> be suporting what Fluendo are doing in getting MP3 legal for linux. MP3 >> is here to stay gents. It is a ubiquitous format that is only >> technically "not free." OGG and FLAC will only be used by serious geeks >> and will likely never be available for mainstream devices. The Cowon >> devices don't count. Perhaps you should save your breath for complaining >> about the "Plays for Sure" nonsense that MS are trying to push on everyone. >> > > MP3 is very much "not free." Programs that are decoders have to pay a > fee for each package they've shipped. Or pay $60k for a lifetime > license. I don't see how the Cowan devices don't count... They're out > there, marketed and quite successful. Sounds like mainstream to me. Like > it or not, regardless of how popular it is, Mp3 is as far from free > (beer or speech) as you can get. > http://www.fluendo.com/press/releases/PR-2005-05.html " In order to improve the GNU/Linux and Unix multimedia experience Fluendo announced today the immediate availability of their MP3 plug-in for the GStreamer multimedia framework. The MP3 decoder is available free of charge both for individual end users and GNU/Linux and Unix distribution makers." Yes, it is legal and free to use MP3. I don't really care about Stallman's opinion on beer or speech. And the Cowon devices are certainly *not* mainstream. Unless you can buy it at BestBuy or Wal-Mart, it is not mainstream. I personally don't shop at either place, but the majority of people in this country shop at one or both of these locations. The majority of people, i.e. mainstream users, don't shop at newegg.com or buy.com or geeks.com. You do, because you are in the know. Most people aren't and they will follow the path of least resistance. 1)Go to Mega shopping center, 2) pick item off self, 3) charge it. Cowon devices aren't on the shelves, and therefore are not purchased by mainstream users. >> Don't bag on Apple just because they are sucessful. The iPod just >> friggin' works! Syncing is easy, and you can plug it into any machine >> running the big three OSes, Win, Lin, and Mac. It is so popular because >> anybody can pick one up and use it, and everyone can make MP3s to put on >> it. An if your ears are so sensitive that they can hear the compression >> on a 320kbps VBR encoded MP3, then you can save your files as an >> uncompressed (industry-standard) AIFF file. >> >> > > IMHO the iPod is popular because of an extremely successful marketing > scheme. My big, hairy, bearded chin! They are successful because people buy them. People want them because they work without a hassle. They want them because they are easy to use. > The iPod isn't really any better than any of the other Mp3 > players. Actually it is better, but there is room for improvement. It would be nice to be able to record on the device, or to be able to delete songs on the iPod. > In some aspects it's worse. And in some it's better. Like the interface. > However, > people want one because it's "cool." People want to be seen with their > white headphones. Again, I will say big, fat, hairy chin! Most people get rid of those pathetic white earbuds and replace them with real headphones. > Not because it's the greatest device there ever was. > That wasn't the issue. ~Nate From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 12 11:35:56 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jul 12 11:35:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Switching distro (from Slackware) In-Reply-To: <1152704825.5428.4.camel@localhost> References: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> <1152704825.5428.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44B524EC.4080600@satx.rr.com> Josh Kerr wrote: >My first choice would be to use Ubuntu/Kubuntu mainly because that's >what I use. The *Ubunutus are based off of Debian and like you said, >has a 6 month cycle. As for Ubuntu being "bleeding edge", that's not >entirely true. While it does support a lot of "edge" applications out >of the box it's not nearly "bleeding edge" as Gentoo is. > >I have not tried Suse yet and I know a lot of people swear by it. IMHO, >your choices are better off with Ubuntu/Kubuntu and Suse. No offense to >Debian users out there but Ubuntu/Kubuntu is what Debian wants to be. > >My 0.02 > > > Heh. You should read this link: http://blog.madduck.net/debian/2006.05.24-ubuntu-and-debian I am satisfied with (k)ubuntu Dapper for now. I've progressed from Redhat (4.2 through 6.2), Mandrake (but not for long), SuSE (6.4 through 9.3) and now Kubuntu (since Warty). I'm sure that eventually something better and easier to work with will come along. That's the cool part about using VMware: I can download a distro's ISO, install it (without burning a CD) and see if I like it. IMO, Debian-based distros (http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros), rock, thanks to the apt packaging system, mainly. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From me at josh-kerr.com Wed Jul 12 11:48:11 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (me@josh-kerr.com) Date: Wed Jul 12 11:48:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2344.24.173.227.115.1152722891.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> > I don't understand what all the fuss is about the iPod. It plays back > more than just MP3 and AAC. On the http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html > page they list the formats that it will play. No one is really knocking the iPod, just stating a fact that it won't play some forms of music. > I never understood all the hype about OGG anyway. Agreed. They sound the same to me though. However when you have 60 Gigs of music and 20 Gigs are in ogg format it sucks not being able to play it on my iPod. > Maybe instead of griping about the iPod, perhaps the linuxy geeks should > be suporting what Fluendo are doing in getting MP3 legal for linux. Once again, nobody is knocking the iPod, I love my little 20 giger. > Don't bag on Apple just because they are sucessful. The iPod just > friggin' works! Third times the charm, we're not knocking the iPod. From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 12 12:10:27 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:09:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. Message-ID: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> Cut and pasted from the IPCop mailing list. My .signature gets more appropriate every day..: I wonder if this will affect IPcop. Certainly it would be a reason to make sure all development is done outside the USA ... ------- Included Stuff Follows ------- Insecure by design By David Sugar Online on: 11/07/2006 CALEA (Computer Assistance Law Enforcement) is quietly in the background of current news again, because the FBI is pushing congress to mandate that all future routing equipment manufactured will include back doors for law enforcement. Like in CALEA mandates for telephone switching equipment, such back doors require no warrant to activate, and hence can be secretly enabled at will. Some vendors have already eagerly embraced CALEA inspired backdoors to internet routing equipment in anticipation of future intercept mandates, thereby already compromising the integrity and security their current and future customers. --------- Included Stuff Ends --------- More details and links here: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1671 Angus -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 +-----------------------------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ IPCop-user mailing list IPCop-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipcop-user -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From mkr777 at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:36:43 2006 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:36:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Harddrive recovery companies In-Reply-To: <200607112342.33049.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200607112342.33049.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: thanks for the info on forensic mode. mkr On 7/11/06, Tom Weeks wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 July 2006 19:39, M K Ramadoss wrote: > > Here is my 0.02. > > If the hard drive spins, I would have a copy made to another good hard > > drive before handing the failed drive for any recovery effort. I did > this > > when my hard drive failed last time. > > If you use Ghost.. be sure to use an identical or slightly larger drive.. > and > use the "forensic mode" switch from the command with "-ID". This will > make > and exact clone.. and not slew the heads to death.. possibly killing an > already sick drive. > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:38:26 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:38:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> Mitch Thompson wrote: > Cut and pasted from the IPCop mailing list. My .signature gets more > appropriate every day..: > > I wonder if this will affect IPcop. Certainly it would be a reason to > make sure all development is done outside the USA ... > > ------- Included Stuff Follows ------- > Insecure by design > By David Sugar > Online on: 11/07/2006 > > CALEA (Computer Assistance Law Enforcement) is quietly in the > background of current news again, because the FBI is pushing > congress to mandate that all future routing equipment manufactured > will include back doors for law enforcement. Like in CALEA mandates > for telephone switching equipment, such back doors require no > warrant to activate, and hence can be secretly enabled at will. > Some vendors have already eagerly embraced CALEA inspired backdoors > to internet routing equipment in anticipation of future intercept > mandates, thereby already compromising the integrity and security > their current and future customers. --------- Included Stuff Ends > --------- > More details and links here: > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1671 > They are going to mandate this so that they have full control of the grid. Make no mistake, the police state *is* coming. The RFID chip in your national ID card will be tracked everywhere you go, and they will know everything you do... anytime, anywhere. If it isn't RFID it will be some other technology. What do you think those neat little antennas are that sit under the signs on the highway? Sure, it serves as part of a lo-jack system now, but there are movements in the state legislature to mandate the use of RFID in all vehicle registration tags. These antennas will read those tags. It doesn't matter if you don't have anything to hide at the moment. Soon you will have no possibility to keep anything hidden. ~Nate From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jul 12 12:46:09 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:46:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200607121746.k6CHk9KT021706@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > CALEA (Computer Assistance Law Enforcement) is quietly in the background > of current news again, because the FBI is pushing congress to mandate that > all future routing equipment manufactured will include back doors for law > enforcement. Like in CALEA mandates for telephone switching equipment, > such back doors require no warrant to activate, and hence can be secretly > enabled at will. Some vendors have already eagerly embraced CALEA inspired > backdoors to internet routing equipment in anticipation of future > intercept mandates, thereby already compromising the integrity and > security their current and future customers. > --------- Included Stuff Ends --------- > More details and links here: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1671 Time to stock up on older router equipment... -Borries From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:51:06 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:51:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] remote file systems In-Reply-To: <1151767159.4335.38.camel@linux.site> References: <1151589256.22782.91.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <1151767159.4335.38.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: On 7/1/06, Al Castanoli wrote: > > The only alternative one that I could find when I was looking is AFS > > (Andrew File System) from CMU (Carnegie Mellon Univ). > > The Scientific Linux distro has > extensive support for AFS, and has some significant kernel mods to > support AFS. http://www.openafs.org/ -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:56:09 2006 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:54:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest, Wed-Sat at Kelly USA In-Reply-To: References: <200607111847.37900.tweeks@rackspace.com> <44B440EE.3020104@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <44B537B9.2070309@gmail.com> In case anyone didn't look at yesterday's Express News there was a small announcement about the Open Source Fest. If you didn't see it, here it is: Computing festival set for later this week San Antonio Express-News San Antonio College is hosting this summer's GNU/Linux/BSD Open Source Fest from Wednesday through Saturday at Port San Antonio, formerly Kelly USA. The event is free and open to the public. Co-sponsored by San Antonio Linux Users Groups and X-otic Computer Systems, the fest is a celebration of freely available computing technologies and will feature workshops and demonstrations on topics including business, scientific and recreational uses of open code software. For more information, contact Steve Kolars at skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:56:49 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:56:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, pixelnate wrote: > Mitch Thompson wrote: > > Cut and pasted from the IPCop mailing list. My .signature gets more > > appropriate every day..: > > > > I wonder if this will affect IPcop. Certainly it would be a reason to > > make sure all development is done outside the USA ... > > > > ------- Included Stuff Follows ------- > > Insecure by design > > By David Sugar > > Online on: 11/07/2006 > > > > CALEA (Computer Assistance Law Enforcement) is quietly in the > > background of current news again, because the FBI is pushing > > congress to mandate that all future routing equipment manufactured > > will include back doors for law enforcement. Like in CALEA mandates > > for telephone switching equipment, such back doors require no > > warrant to activate, and hence can be secretly enabled at will. > > Some vendors have already eagerly embraced CALEA inspired backdoors > > to internet routing equipment in anticipation of future intercept > > mandates, thereby already compromising the integrity and security > > their current and future customers. --------- Included Stuff Ends > > --------- > > More details and links here: > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1671 > > > They are going to mandate this so that they have full control of the > grid. Make no mistake, the police state *is* coming. The RFID chip in > your national ID card will be tracked everywhere you go, and they will > know everything you do... anytime, anywhere. If it isn't RFID it will be > some other technology. What do you think those neat little antennas are > that sit under the signs on the highway? Sure, it serves as part of a > lo-jack system now, but there are movements in the state legislature to > mandate the use of RFID in all vehicle registration tags. These antennas > will read those tags. > > It doesn't matter if you don't have anything to hide at the moment. Soon > you will have no possibility to keep anything hidden. Great funny post on this at StorageMojo: "Massive Storage In Our Brave New World" [Excerpt] "Department of Family Security Behavioral Analysis Division Prediction and Notification Program Washington, DC April 1, 2016 Dear Mr Harris, Pursuant to the provisions of the Defense of Family Act, the Super-PATRIOT Act, the Safe Driving Act, the American Family Self-Reliance Act and the Personal RFID Security Act, we are pleased to send you this Notice of Significant Family Behavior Change (NSFBC)." [End excerpt] <> From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:59:21 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:59:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <200607121746.k6CHk9KT021706@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <200607121746.k6CHk9KT021706@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > > CALEA (Computer Assistance Law Enforcement) is quietly in the background > > of current news again, because the FBI is pushing congress to mandate that > > all future routing equipment manufactured will include back doors for law > > enforcement. Like in CALEA mandates for telephone switching equipment, > > such back doors require no warrant to activate, and hence can be secretly > > enabled at will. Some vendors have already eagerly embraced CALEA inspired > > backdoors to internet routing equipment in anticipation of future > > intercept mandates, thereby already compromising the integrity and > > security their current and future customers. > > --------- Included Stuff Ends --------- > > More details and links here: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1671 > > Time to stock up on older router equipment... My guess is that if the old equipment does not know the "Secret Handshake" of the new equipment it will be bypassed. From rmarker at trajensystems.com Wed Jul 12 13:01:17 2006 From: rmarker at trajensystems.com (Robert Marker) Date: Wed Jul 12 13:01:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <200607121746.k6CHk9KT021706@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: > CALEA (Computer Assistance Law Enforcement) is quietly in the background > of current news again, because the FBI is pushing congress to mandate that > all future routing equipment manufactured will include back doors for law > enforcement. Like in CALEA mandates for telephone switching equipment, > such back doors require no warrant to activate, and hence can be secretly > enabled at will. Some vendors have already eagerly embraced CALEA inspired > backdoors to internet routing equipment in anticipation of future > intercept mandates, thereby already compromising the integrity and > security their current and future customers. > --------- Included Stuff Ends --------- > More details and links here: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1671 > Time to stock up on older router equipment... -Borries -- It is getting scary! I only vaguely had heard about the CALEA until this post. More information is on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_A ct The law suite being pursued by EDUCAUSE is worth watching. Trajmag _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From vern.davis at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 13:22:07 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Wed Jul 12 13:22:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, pixelnate wrote: > Mitch Thompson wrote: > > Cut and pasted from the IPCop mailing list. My .signature gets more > > appropriate every day..: > > > > I wonder if this will affect IPcop. Certainly it would be a reason to > > make sure all development is done outside the USA ... > > > > ------- Included Stuff Follows ------- > > Insecure by design > > By David Sugar > > Online on: 11/07/2006 > > > > CALEA (Computer Assistance Law Enforcement) is quietly in the > > background of current news again, because the FBI is pushing > > congress to mandate that all future routing equipment manufactured > > will include back doors for law enforcement. Like in CALEA mandates > > for telephone switching equipment, such back doors require no > > warrant to activate, and hence can be secretly enabled at will. > > Some vendors have already eagerly embraced CALEA inspired backdoors > > to internet routing equipment in anticipation of future intercept > > mandates, thereby already compromising the integrity and security > > their current and future customers. --------- Included Stuff Ends > > --------- > > More details and links here: > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1671 > > > They are going to mandate this so that they have full control of the > grid. Make no mistake, the police state *is* coming. The RFID chip in > your national ID card will be tracked everywhere you go, and they will > know everything you do... anytime, anywhere. If it isn't RFID it will be > some other technology. What do you think those neat little antennas are > that sit under the signs on the highway? Sure, it serves as part of a > lo-jack system now, but there are movements in the state legislature to > mandate the use of RFID in all vehicle registration tags. These antennas > will read those tags. > > It doesn't matter if you don't have anything to hide at the moment. Soon > you will have no possibility to keep anything hidden. > > ~Nate > -- Time to stock up on tinfoil!!! -- vern.davis@gmail.com From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 13:47:40 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Jul 12 13:48:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> Vern Davis wrote: > > Time to stock up on tinfoil!!! > It's not even made of tin anymore! I don't think aluminum has quite the same properties, though. Honestly, hard times are coming, and many people in the tech industry are inadvertently aiding those that seek to oppress us. It isn't exactly common knowledge, but IBM provided Nazi Germany with the hollerance (sp?) machines used to track the Jews before and during WWII. I would hope that today's geek would be smart enough to see the negative possibilities of the tech toys they hack on each day. Perhaps enough of the "free beer and speech" crowd will interfere in the deployment of these, that they will be rendered less than fully effective. I am leery of anything that will give more power to those with the most power. ~Nate From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 14:06:33 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:06:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Repair Cannon printer In-Reply-To: <003b01c6a5ac$832d4d60$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <1152572325.22122.6.camel@monarch.radvany.home> <003b01c6a5ac$832d4d60$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: Yeah, from what I understand ink/bubble jets are like razors; cheap as heck, and they make their money on the blades/cartridges. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 12 14:39:16 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:38:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <200607121746.k6CHk9KT021706@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <44B54FE4.4040400@satx.rr.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > On 7/12/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > >> > CALEA (Computer Assistance Law Enforcement) is quietly in the >> background >> > of current news again, because the FBI is pushing congress to >> mandate that >> > all future routing equipment manufactured will include back doors >> for law >> > enforcement. Like in CALEA mandates for telephone switching equipment, >> > such back doors require no warrant to activate, and hence can be >> secretly >> > enabled at will. Some vendors have already eagerly embraced CALEA >> inspired >> > backdoors to internet routing equipment in anticipation of future >> > intercept mandates, thereby already compromising the integrity and >> > security their current and future customers. >> > --------- Included Stuff Ends --------- >> > More details and links here: >> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1671 >> >> Time to stock up on older router equipment... > > > My guess is that if the old equipment does not know the "Secret > Handshake" > of the new equipment it will be bypassed. That is my thought as well. It might even be that having such equipment and attempting to use it will make you suspect. "What's that, an old 2514? What are you trying to hide? -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Wed Jul 12 14:39:52 2006 From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:39:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Learn Linux in 10 minutes... In-Reply-To: <44B54FE4.4040400@satx.rr.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <200607121746.k6CHk9KT021706@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <44B54FE4.4040400@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44B55008.8020207@nvision2020.com> http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html gotta love digg.... Dean From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 12 14:46:35 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:45:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Learn Linux in 10 minutes... In-Reply-To: <44B55008.8020207@nvision2020.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <200607121746.k6CHk9KT021706@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <44B54FE4.4040400@satx.rr.com> <44B55008.8020207@nvision2020.com> Message-ID: <44B5519B.3020007@satx.rr.com> Dean McCall wrote: > http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html gotta love digg.... > > Dean > I'm going to forward this to all my Winders coworkers. Thanks! -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 14:53:55 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:53:57 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script In-Reply-To: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0607121253v78b432e5yeef00c39ee8f435f@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, Chris wrote: > How can I make a bash script to seperate my mp3 music from my wma music? My wma music cannot be played in Linux. I would like to move all of the directories with wma music to another directory. Then when I use Amarok, I can tell it not to add the wma music to the collection. The bash script should have find or slocate. Using those will find all of the wma music files. > -- If you have mplayer/gmplayer installed, it plays the wma music. Think that you have to have the wincodecs installed also for it to work. Ed From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 15:14:53 2006 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:14:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest, Wed-Sat at Kelly USA In-Reply-To: <44B537B9.2070309@gmail.com> References: <200607111847.37900.tweeks@rackspace.com> <44B440EE.3020104@shlrm.org> <44B537B9.2070309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0607121314y42347609tb4eff440fc7eb585@mail.gmail.com> AITP also sent out an announcement about it in their mailing list. Sounds like alot of fun. Zeb On 7/12/06, Jim Wells wrote: > > In case anyone didn't look at yesterday's Express News there was a small > announcement about the Open Source Fest. If you didn't see it, here it > is: > > > Computing festival set for later this week > > San Antonio Express-News > > San Antonio College is hosting this summer's GNU/Linux/BSD Open Source > Fest from Wednesday through Saturday at Port San Antonio, formerly Kelly > USA. > > The event is free and open to the public. > > Co-sponsored by San Antonio Linux Users Groups and X-otic Computer > Systems, the fest is a celebration of freely available computing > technologies and will feature workshops and demonstrations on topics > including business, scientific and recreational uses of open code > software. > > For more information, contact Steve Kolars at skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 15:21:22 2006 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:23:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0607121253v78b432e5yeef00c39ee8f435f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8ee65edd0607121253v78b432e5yeef00c39ee8f435f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99af515b0607121321i1d1443fci1acac83bdcdd3251@mail.gmail.com> I found this script online a while back in a forum that may assist you in converting the wma to mp3 or ogg if you would like it. I can post it online aswell Link: http://www.projectgenerate.com/scripts/wma2mp3 The script is recursive so you can put all your wma files in a single directory and then run this script and it will convert them for you. From realmcking at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 15:21:25 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:23:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Switching distro (from Slackware) In-Reply-To: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> References: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, Emon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all > > I am a newbie > > I have been using slackware for a couple a years now. > > The two thing that I love most about slackware was > > 1) Policy of minimal customization > 2) Non bleeding edge > > Now I am thinking that it's about time I try another distor since I am a > bit familiar with linux. > > I was looking around in and after while decided it is > going to be between Ubuntu/Kubuntu;Suse;Debain. Please let me know if I > should be considering any other distro as well. > > Now I am about to make a few comments about these ditros which may OR > may not be correct. Please feel free to correct me. > > I AM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT ISSUES REGARDING DISTROS CAN EASILY > FLARE-UP INTO A FOREST FIRE.... > > So please... I say again PLEASE... take it easy,keep it cool & consider > that fact that I am a newbie & not always well aware of all the facts. > > I have no intention of sparking a fire anywhere. > > So here goes > > The way I have been hearing praises about debian's relative stability, > it was obviously my first choice, but then I realized that it has really > really long release cycle for stable releases!! Even longer than > slackware!! which kind of spoiled the fun :-( > > Ubuntu/Kubuntu seems fine cos it had a release cycle of 6 months (pretty > cool) but seemed too much of a bleeding edge... > > On the other hand Suse also has a release cycle of 6 months but seemed a > bit less bleeding edge. > So I am thinking may be Suse should be the choice... > > But does Suse has a large repository of precompiled pkgs like Debian? > > Does it provide free update like other distros?? > > Is it possible to (easily) make your own custom pkg from source like in > Debian/Slackware?? > > How difficult is it to compile a custom kernel in Suse? do you have to > go through a lot of patching & stuffs. > > At this point I don't know what else I should be asking about.... but > any pointers,advice or suggestions will be highly appreciated > > Thanks > Emon > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEtL/7aXfQjFhZoBwRAuqMAKCtMtH/daXovxAEemcJxQ3j9nJwNwCfTavq > kVAeex0awYiUgyamfaKDYC0= > =lk+Y > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > If you like slackware, please try archlinux. You will feel right at home with the minimal install and "build from ground up" feeling, but you will have a much more current (leading edge, not bleeding edge) system than with slack. pacman (the arch package manager) is sweet, even better than APT, if possible. arch also has it's own build system if you need to tweak a package (add or remove a feature, etc...) or build a package that isn't in the repos. They also have a _really_ great community for uploading buildscripts and getting user-contributed buildscripts approved into the main repos. I have used both arch and ubuntu, and both are really great. Ubuntu has more "ubuntufied" scripts and settings than arch, but it is easy to plop it onto a system and have a great desktop without any hassles. It may not be as personalized as you need, so Arch may be what you're looking for. -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 15:24:32 2006 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:24:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script In-Reply-To: <99af515b0607121321i1d1443fci1acac83bdcdd3251@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8ee65edd0607121253v78b432e5yeef00c39ee8f435f@mail.gmail.com> <99af515b0607121321i1d1443fci1acac83bdcdd3251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99af515b0607121324lb85b0d4j24593c51dc9a9fd9@mail.gmail.com> Correction I got ahead of myself. The script will convert wma or ogg to mp3 for you. The reason I use it is for my car stereo that plays mp3 files. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:32:15 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:32:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP install on Solaris 5.9 In-Reply-To: <44B50A0E.3040804@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060712203215.62932.qmail@web54306.mail.yahoo.com> stupid mistake.. I was installing sol10 release on sol9... doh! that was part of the problem.. apache2.0.55 from SFW is ok but php 5.0.4 did not work properly when installed from a package. So I downloaded the source, compiled/installed and it works fine now.. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 15:35:37 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:35:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, pixelnate wrote: > I don't understand what all the fuss is about the iPod. It plays back > more than just MP3 and AAC. On the http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html > page they list the formats that it will play. I never understood all the > hype about OGG anyway. It's not patented. From what I understand, the guy who owns the mp3-related patents let it get really popular and then started enforcing his patent rights. Here kid, the first one's free... > Everytime I tried to encode an ogg they skipped > or created really huge file sizes. For the same file size, MP3 always > sounded better to me. There's a quality factor. In my experience with using grip, it's a toss up as to which is smaller. I haven't ever had one skip. > Maybe instead of griping about the iPod, perhaps the linuxy geeks should > be suporting what Fluendo are doing in getting MP3 legal for linux. The problem is that then we'd have to charge for Linux, since the patent holder wants royalties. > technically "not free." OGG and FLAC will only be used by serious geeks > and will likely never be available for mainstream devices. Sounds like what people normally say about Linux. > Don't bag on Apple just because they are sucessful. I'm not. I'm bagging on the iPod because it chooses to implement the patent-encumbered algorithms and not one that is free! There's probably some clause in the licensing for mp3 that prohibits it. > friggin' works! Syncing is easy, and you can plug it into any machine > running the big three OSes, Win, Lin, and Mac. My shuffle doesn't work with gtkpod very well. > It is so popular because > anybody can pick one up and use it, and everyone can make MP3s to put on > it. An if your ears are so sensitive that they can hear the compression > on a 320kbps VBR encoded MP3, then you can save your files as an > uncompressed (industry-standard) AIFF file. Or FLAC. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From morfic at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 15:53:11 2006 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:53:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] digital rights management In-Reply-To: <20060712052434.51551.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060712052434.51551.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10607121353l46364798n29679491b68b7666@mail.gmail.com> If you still have access to windows and not the originals or don't want to be disc jockey to rerip and the rips are highquality enough to be usable in a conversion from one format to another (they all are, i mean that the result be worth it), check out tunebite, yes it cost $20, but qeueing up all 30GB, choosing target format and walking away, when you come back you have ~30GB worth of files you can now play on any player you want, nothing will be easier to convert your legally owned files. http://www.tunebite.com/website/v2/en/turbo.php On 7/12/06, Chris wrote: > > i have about 30 gigabytes of music. it was ripped in windows unfortunately > and it got drm. i had not found a way to convert or play these in linux > after much research. not long ago, my friend told me he burns his drm wma > music to a cd and then rips them as mp3. i might try what he said about > burning music with drm to cd and then ripping it as mp3 to get rid of the > drm. there is a problem. i have about 30 gigabytes of music. that would take > a whole bunch of time and blank cds. do i have to burn it in the format a cd > player can play, or can i burn it another way so that i can fit many more > songs on a disk? can i use a dvd instead? is there any other way? thats a > good idea. i just have too much music. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From emon at nerdshack.com Wed Jul 12 16:06:15 2006 From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon) Date: Wed Jul 12 16:04:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Switching distro (from Slackware) In-Reply-To: <1152706427.8896.128.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> <1152706427.8896.128.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <44B56447.6090802@nerdshack.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks everyone for the input, Sorry... but a few more questions just poped into my head (about Suse) 1) How smooth is the process of upgrading from one release to the next?? does things break often?? 2) And how much customization does Suse put into it's pkgs. No offense to any particular distro, but over the years I have come across experienced Linux users (with purist tendencies) who although appreciate the fact that Linux is customizable, think that major distros have taken the concept (of customization) a bit too far. I am also concerned cos my personal experience, when I started with Linux with RH-8 which had Gnome as the default desktop, kept giving strange problems when I switched to KDE. Later I read somewhere on the net that RH had customized KDE to such an extend that it practically created a fork, thus even the KDE developers were unable to help RH users. Also in quite a few reviews of slackware I found the authors complaining about how bloted the big distros are... it may all have been just *RELIGIOUS WAR/PROPAGANDA* (again, no offense to any big distro user) but I had no way of knowing as I never tried any other distro after RH. I am just trying to be prepared... as after resisting the flavor of major distros for years I have finally decide to indulge in the sin ;-) Hope you will bear with me Thanks Emon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEtWRHaXfQjFhZoBwRAstTAKCDebs8gLfZTulxOf+/t6WvafkmKwCfRv/r aoi/KJCNy4b58ouxphFE5PQ= =eqNi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From masterr at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 16:13:56 2006 From: masterr at gmail.com (MasteR) Date: Wed Jul 12 16:14:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fax computer Message-ID: <14842c410607121413p2743b894waac18f086fbc35b5@mail.gmail.com> I was hoping you guys could help me out. I am looking for a solution to replace a fax machine with an old linux computer with a fax modem. What I want it to do is to recieve faxes from the phone line and then email each one as an image to a specific email address. Is this possible? Does anyone have any experice with this that will help out? Might be a way to save on toner since the toner on the fax machine we have is so much more expensive than on the regular printer. That and we won't have to print out everything, only the faxes that need to be. Thanks -- Jon masterr@gmail.com From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 16:48:09 2006 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Wed Jul 12 16:48:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fax computer In-Reply-To: <14842c410607121413p2743b894waac18f086fbc35b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410607121413p2743b894waac18f086fbc35b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0607121448x5b68873ew67fbbcc65373cdb0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, MasteR wrote: > > I was hoping you guys could help me out. I am looking for a solution to > replace a fax machine with an old linux computer with a fax modem. What I > want it to do is to recieve faxes from the phone line and then email each > one as an image to a specific email address. Is this possible? Does anyone > have any experice with this that will help out? > > Might be a way to save on toner since the toner on the fax machine we have > is so much more expensive than on the regular printer. That and we won't > have to print out everything, only the faxes that need to be. > > Thanks > > -- > Jon > masterr@gmail.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > You can start by looking here http://www.hylafax.org It has the options that you are looking for and seems to be very well documented. As for sending the fax to e-mail they do provided a man page http://www.hylafax.org/man/current/faxrcvd.1m.html Zeb From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 17:02:23 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 17:02:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, pixelnate wrote: > Vern Davis wrote: > > Time to stock up on tinfoil!!! > It's not even made of tin anymore! I don't think aluminum has quite the > same properties, though. Sure it does! Aluminum is a better conductor than tin. http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ Technically, the only problem is that aluminum tends to oxidize quickly and form a patina of non-conductive aluminum oxide. So be sure to shine it up good before thinking of anything potentially embarrassing. > I would hope that today's geek would be smart enough to see the negative > possibilities of the tech toys they hack on each day. Perhaps enough of > the "free beer and speech" crowd will interfere in the deployment of > these, that they will be rendered less than fully effective. I am leery > of anything that will give more power to those with the most power. Power to the peephole! -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 17:14:02 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jul 12 17:16:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script In-Reply-To: <99af515b0607121321i1d1443fci1acac83bdcdd3251@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8ee65edd0607121253v78b432e5yeef00c39ee8f435f@mail.gmail.com> <99af515b0607121321i1d1443fci1acac83bdcdd3251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, Caleb Wylie wrote: > I found this script online a while back in a forum that may assist you in > converting the wma to mp3 or ogg if you would like it. I can post it online > aswell > > Link: http://www.projectgenerate.com/scripts/wma2mp3 > > > The script is recursive so you can put all your wma files in a single > directory and then run this script and it will convert them for you. Suggestion: Keep all your original wma files safe in a directory somewhere. Copy them to the new directory to be converted. After they are converted successfully and play the way you want them to, you can decide what you want to do about the originals you saved. From twistedpickles at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 17:25:33 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Wed Jul 12 17:25:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: Patrick W Barnes Wrote: "Assuming you're still using a Windows system to convert the music, you should be able to convert the music directly from one format to another." Not with it's own set of issues. I've searched, searched, and researched on how to drop DRM from iTunes files using linux, windows and mac. It seems that there was once a solution for DRM files pre iTunes ver 6 using http://www.hymn-project.org/. Now the only solutions are http://www.tunebite.de/website/v2/en/home.php?affiliate=60240 which records or dubs your DRM music and videos at 4X speeds. The other program available is http://www.soundtaxi.info/. I don't know how this program works. Josh Kerr Wrote: Thought I'd warn all the iPod users out there, "iPods don't let iPods play Ogg." If you own an iPod or plan to own one it won't play anything but MP3s and AAC. RockBox will play ogg, flac, mp3, wav, acc/mp4 without DRM. I have my Ipod set up to tri-boot between Apple OS, RockBox, and IpodLinux. RockBox is awesome. The best feature is the gapless play back of audio. From twistedpickles at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 17:31:15 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Wed Jul 12 17:31:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is there any way to fool windows into seeing a harddrive as a cdrom. This would be easier to re-encode the files and not have to burn and waste discs . -- ::twistedPickles:: : From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 18:08:20 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 18:08:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script In-Reply-To: References: <20060712055348.6545.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8ee65edd0607121253v78b432e5yeef00c39ee8f435f@mail.gmail.com> <99af515b0607121321i1d1443fci1acac83bdcdd3251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, Robert Pearson wrote: > Suggestion: > > Keep all your original wma files safe in a directory somewhere. > Copy them to the new directory to be converted. > After they are converted successfully and play the way you want them to, > you can decide what you want to do about the originals you saved. Actually that's a good meta-strategy as well, if you have the disk space. Keep the things in their original form in one place, and operate on a copy, if there's any possibility that information will be lost in the translation. For example, keeping an original email around may let you do a forensic analysis on it, which you couldn't do if you just saved the contents. This is also true of PGP signatures on tar files, and stuff like that. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 18:13:46 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 18:13:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, twistedpickles wrote: > Is there any way to fool windows into seeing a harddrive as a cdrom. > This would be easier to re-encode the files and not have to burn and > waste discs . Yes, check the warez sites, they have tools like this to make games think that they're working on CD-ROMs. I don't know what they're called, sorry, but I could find out. I guess now that I think about it your issue is that you want it to appear as a CD-R and burn "Red Book" audio onto it, which is totally different than using it as an ISO 9660 CD-ROM. You're almost better off doing it in Lunix. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jul 12 19:37:09 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jul 12 19:37:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152751029.8896.196.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 18:13 -0500, Travis H. wrote: > On 7/12/06, twistedpickles wrote: > > Is there any way to fool windows into seeing a harddrive as a cdrom. > > This would be easier to re-encode the files and not have to burn and > > waste discs . > > Yes, check the warez sites, they have tools like this to make games > think that they're working on CD-ROMs. I don't know what they're > called, sorry, but I could find out. Use daemon tools (http://www.daemon-tools.cc) and your cd burning app (ie nero) to burn cd images (ISO, NRG, etc). By mounting the resulting cd image in one of daemon tools's virtual cd drives, you can probably re-rip it. From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 19:52:09 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage) Date: Wed Jul 12 19:52:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: <1152751029.8896.196.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> <1152751029.8896.196.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: > Use daemon tools (http://www.daemon-tools.cc) and your cd burning app > (ie nero) to burn cd images (ISO, NRG, etc). By mounting the resulting > cd image in one of daemon tools's virtual cd drives, you can probably > re-rip it. If that doesn't help, got to doom9.net . That site is full of information on remuxing files. Very handy resource for video, and though I haven't searched, possibly for audio as well. ~Nate From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Jul 12 19:53:38 2006 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Wed Jul 12 19:54:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B59992.7070307@futuretechsolutions.com> Gee, and I was thinking of getting some copper mesh and marketing a faraday cage style of wallet. Any Takers??? :) pixelnate wrote: > Vern Davis wrote: > >> >> Time to stock up on tinfoil!!! >> > > It's not even made of tin anymore! I don't think aluminum has quite the > same properties, though. > > Honestly, hard times are coming, and many people in the tech industry > are inadvertently aiding those that seek to oppress us. It isn't exactly > common knowledge, but IBM provided Nazi Germany with the hollerance > (sp?) machines used to track the Jews before and during WWII. > > I would hope that today's geek would be smart enough to see the negative > possibilities of the tech toys they hack on each day. Perhaps enough of > the "free beer and speech" crowd will interfere in the deployment of > these, that they will be rendered less than fully effective. I am leery > of anything that will give more power to those with the most power. > > ~Nate > > From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 12 20:18:42 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 12 20:18:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B59F72.5070007@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Travis H. wrote: > On 7/12/06, twistedpickles wrote: > >> Is there any way to fool windows into seeing a harddrive as a cdrom. >> This would be easier to re-encode the files and not have to burn and >> waste discs . > > > Yes, check the warez sites, they have tools like this to make games > think that they're working on CD-ROMs. I don't know what they're > called, sorry, but I could find out. > > I guess now that I think about it your issue is that you want it to > appear as a CD-R and burn "Red Book" audio onto it, which is totally > different than using it as an ISO 9660 CD-ROM. > > You're almost better off doing it in Lunix. does anyone not remember the "subst" command in Dos? From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 12 20:20:12 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 12 20:20:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B59992.7070307@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> <44B59992.7070307@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <44B59FCC.5010800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Charles D Hogan wrote: > Gee, and I was thinking of getting some copper mesh and marketing a > faraday cage style of wallet. Any Takers??? :) Where are you going to find a bank to finance a loan to buy that much copper? ;-) -Geoff From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jul 12 20:20:45 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jul 12 20:20:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fax computer In-Reply-To: <14842c410607121413p2743b894waac18f086fbc35b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410607121413p2743b894waac18f086fbc35b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152753645.8896.230.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 16:13 -0500, MasteR wrote: > I was hoping you guys could help me out. I am looking for a solution to > replace a fax machine with an old linux computer with a fax modem. What I > want it to do is to recieve faxes from the phone line and then email each > one as an image to a specific email address. Is this possible? Does anyone > have any experice with this that will help out? > > Might be a way to save on toner since the toner on the fax machine we have > is so much more expensive than on the regular printer. That and we won't > have to print out everything, only the faxes that need to be. I thought about this also. I ended up using greenfax.com. Here was my logic: Greenfax costs $12/month for each incoming line. Each page over 250 received costs 3c. Outgoing faxes are 7c/min in 6 second increments (1min Minimum). I have 2 inbound numbers (one toll free, one 210), and a send only. In 1.25 years, I have spent $28 on the send-only and $230 on the Local. I have only had the 877 for 6 months, so I have spent $115 on it. What do I get for ~$375/year? -- Simultaneous receives (not limited to 1 telco line/modem) -- No hardware to maintain -- Incoming faxes are PDFs (or TIFFs) in an email account (or multiple accounts) -- Outbound faxes are sent via email, can be a number of formats, and there is no standing around waiting or retrying. -- Logs of everything -- Accessible fax as long as there is Internet connectivity. -- All users have fax from their desktops (if I allow ;) Now what does a dedicated physical fax cost? -- 30/month for the local telco loop (3x my monthly greenfax fee for 1 line) -- Gear (Fax machine or fax server) -- Maintenance Time We are not heavy fax users, but our clients tend to like fax for timesheets, contracts, etc. in the year and a quarter, We have received ~450 faxes and sent about 225. We really don't send faxes, as we have a network scanner that can send scans to customers via email. This scanner also functions as our copier (I love that thing). Just some thoughts... John From radvany at texas.net Wed Jul 12 21:25:16 2006 From: radvany at texas.net (Martin Radvany) Date: Wed Jul 12 21:29:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sony Vaio - freezing up Message-ID: <1152757516.7153.11.camel@monarch.radvany.home> I seem to be running across equipment that is falling apart... My friend has a Sony Vaio PCV-RX450 - a small tower ~5 yrs old. The machine suddenly started freezing up. It boots, that other operating system ME, and then freezes shortly after that. I believe the machine has been on continuously for most of the past five years. On booting it says that the hardware monitor detected an error, and when I check the only thing I notice is that the temperature of the CPU and MB seem very high - 180F and 132F respectively. The CPU fan is running. The tower was sitting inside a desk with VERY poor air circulation. When I took it out, the case was HOT!!! There appeared to be a little discoloration of the case - a little brown tint. Upon opening it, I was surprized by how cramped it was, but the power supply was very hot and there was a lot of dust. Plus much heat. So, is it worth trying to fix? My guess is that the fan on the power supply is not working and the power supply may need replacing. Any suggestions/ideas? If it is the power supply, where to get one? Thanks in advance... Marty From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 21:49:13 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 21:49:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: <44B59F72.5070007@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> <44B59F72.5070007@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, Geoff wrote: > does anyone not remember the "subst" command in Dos? Oh yeah, I remember DOS, and forgot about subst, but IMHO it's irrelevant. He wants to burn WMA files as red book audio (that's the format that audio CDs use). This is entirely different than a data CD. If you've ever used Nero, that's why it asks you to pick "Audio CD" or "Data CD" when creating a new CD, before you do anything else. One has 44kHz stereo audio, and one has ISO 9660-structured data. There's also a host of other formats. In any case, it's not going to fool a program that expects to burn CDs; that would be like giving a raw disk device to minicom in Linux and expecting it to be able to dial up and chat with the drive. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From twistedpickles at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 21:59:41 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Wed Jul 12 21:59:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: digital rights management In-Reply-To: References: <44B51B95.7090300@gmail.com> <44B59F72.5070007@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, Travis H. wrote: > On 7/12/06, Geoff wrote: > > does anyone not remember the "subst" command in Dos? > > Oh yeah, I remember DOS, and forgot about subst, but IMHO it's > irrelevant. He wants to burn WMA files as red book audio (that's the > format that audio CDs use). This is entirely different than a data > CD. If you've ever used Nero, that's why it asks you to pick "Audio > CD" or "Data CD" when creating a new CD, before you do anything else. > One has 44kHz stereo audio, and one has ISO 9660-structured data. > There's also a host of other formats. In any case, it's not going to > fool a program that expects to burn CDs; that would be like giving a > raw disk device to minicom in Linux and expecting it to be able to > dial up and chat with the drive. > -- > Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. > Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Just rememvered I use to create images of mp3's on Nero restart windows and using some Nero tool "mount" the image as a cd and import it to my sony minidisc player to avoid sony's drm. It does notr work with m4p's. There currently is no plugin in Nero to support them. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 22:04:02 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jul 12 22:04:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Remove empty directory from GNOME menu Message-ID: <277020fc0607122004o2059e681g599b3e00bcfc73bd@mail.gmail.com> I just uninstalled an alpha version of CrossOver Office, but it left behind two empty directories in my Gnome applications menu. I can't for the life of me figure out how to delete these empty folders. Any suggestions? I really wish Gnome would integrate right-click menu editing into the menus. I'm using CentOS which has no Alacarte menu editor, and I tried searching in /usr/share/applications as well as browsing to applications:///. I even ran 'locate CrossOver' to see if I could find the offending folder anywhere on my filesystem - no luck. Any suggestions? Sean From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 22:10:16 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 22:10:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B59FCC.5010800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> <44B59992.7070307@futuretechsolutions.com> <44B59FCC.5010800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: I saw that this European company is selling metal mesh bags for holding your cell phones now. I wonder if I could find them again. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 22:23:45 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Wed Jul 12 22:23:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> <44B59992.7070307@futuretechsolutions.com> <44B59FCC.5010800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: Finally finished redecorating! http://www.imagireal.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/foiled/CRW_0002_RT8.sized.jpg -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From travisimo1993 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 23:01:56 2006 From: travisimo1993 at yahoo.com (Travis Mosley) Date: Wed Jul 12 23:02:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... Message-ID: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? Would like to speak to him. Travis M, 13 years old. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 23:36:21 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jul 12 23:36:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, Travis Mosley wrote: > Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by > the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? > > Would like to speak to him. > > Travis M, 13 years old. > You guys are hardcore. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time playing games on the Commodore 64 . . . with it's whopping 64k of memory. Good times. . . :) From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Thu Jul 13 00:39:56 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Thu Jul 13 00:40:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> <44B59992.7070307@futuretechsolutions.com> <44B59FCC.5010800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <44B5DCAC.6080909@cox-internet.com> Travis H. wrote: > Finally finished redecorating! > > http://www.imagireal.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/foiled/CRW_0002_RT8.sized.jpg > Looks like someone had some free time on their hands! From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 00:51:19 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Jul 13 00:51:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Learn Linux in 10 minutes... In-Reply-To: <44B55008.8020207@nvision2020.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <200607121746.k6CHk9KT021706@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <44B54FE4.4040400@satx.rr.com> <44B55008.8020207@nvision2020.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, Dean McCall wrote: > http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html gotta love digg.... I wondered about this. The "Subject" line says: "Learn Linux in 10 Minutes" but the URL points to: "learn UNIX in 10 minutes" Which is an excellent site. The Unix information looks very good and I love the wonderful organization. Very to the point. Turns out there is a "Sams Teach Yourself Linux in 10 Minutes" site: <> It is very dated: (Publisher: Macmillan Computer Publishing) Author(s): John Ray ISBN: 0672315246 Publication Date: 02/09/99 Based on this I would probably recommend LFS (Linux From Scratch): <> for Linux. It will take longer than 10 minutes and is more oriented to the serious Linux user who wants to build and understand a Linux machine, but LFS is very good. Even these lines are blurring. 3 OpenSolaris kernel based *nix and counting... The Nexenta distro is basically Ubuntu 6/06 on top of the OpenSolaris kernel, with stuff like ZFS and SMF merged in with the GNU userland. Thanks, Mark McCoy. BeleniX is a *NIX distribution that is built using the OpenSolaris source base. It is currently a live CD but is intended to grow into a complete distribution that can be installed to hard disk. BeleniX is developed at the India Engineering Centre of Sun Microsystems in Bangalore, the silicon capital of India. SchilliX is an OpenSolaris-based distribution which runs from CD and can be optionally installed on a hard disk or a USB memory stick. Help!!! Do we need *NIX From Scratch? What would the acronym for that be? From solinym at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 01:47:43 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Jul 13 01:47:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting tidbit. In-Reply-To: <44B5DCAC.6080909@cox-internet.com> References: <44B52D03.70307@satx.rr.com> <44B53392.1070504@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607121122r785b1f84n52c117d726f3d331@mail.gmail.com> <44B543CC.8010109@gmail.com> <44B59992.7070307@futuretechsolutions.com> <44B59FCC.5010800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <44B5DCAC.6080909@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: On 7/13/06, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Looks like someone had some free time on their hands! I'm kind of concerned about the Orbital Mind Control Lasers (TM) affecting the Kleenex (TM), but I'll just stay on my toes when hay fever sets in. At least I know the liquid-holding implements are safe: http://www.imagireal.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/foiled/CRW_0027_RT8.sized.jpg ;-) -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 02:42:19 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Jul 13 02:42:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? Message-ID: Hi, I'm short on funds, but I have a spare 4-port Soekris LAN card, and need some 168-pin DIMMs. Anyone want to trade? It's great for firewalls, and supported under every Freenix. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 06:03:45 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Thu Jul 13 06:03:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] making a script In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0607121253v78b432e5yeef00c39ee8f435f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060713110345.3381.qmail@web32004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> they plays the wma music without drm. drm cant be played in linux even with the wincodecs. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Coates To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:53:55 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] making a script On 7/12/06, Chris wrote: > How can I make a bash script to seperate my mp3 music from my wma music? My wma music cannot be played in Linux. I would like to move all of the directories with wma music to another directory. Then when I use Amarok, I can tell it not to add the wma music to the collection. The bash script should have find or slocate. Using those will find all of the wma music files. > -- If you have mplayer/gmplayer installed, it plays the wma music. Think that you have to have the wincodecs installed also for it to work. Ed -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From realmcking at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 09:07:02 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Thu Jul 13 09:07:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Switching distro (from Slackware) In-Reply-To: <44B56447.6090802@nerdshack.com> References: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> <1152706427.8896.128.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <44B56447.6090802@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: Emon, I agree with you that each of the "big distros" have tried to distinguish themselves by customizing their desktops and even the init and system config subsystems. Each has their own "vision" of what they want to do, to the esclusion of the others. The nice thing (depending on yor viewpoint) is that at some point, the best of these customizations gets folded into the upstream and becomes mainstream. Freedom of choice and a meritocracy, awesome! One of the best things you can do when "distro shopping" is to fire up vmware and try out 2 or 3 to see which one you like the most. I seriously think that you will like Archlinux, there are a lot of users in the forum who have come from slack and they all seem quite happy. Also, Arch doesn't really have releases in the tradtional sense. Once it is installed, there is a rolling current tree and a development tree where new things get tested, similar to debian and gentoo. 'pacman -Syu' once a while gets you the latest current bits. Mark On 7/12/06, Emon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Thanks everyone for the input, > > Sorry... but a few more questions just poped into my head (about Suse) > > 1) How smooth is the process of upgrading from one release to the next?? > does things break often?? > > 2) And how much customization does Suse put into it's pkgs. > > No offense to any particular distro, but over the years I have come > across experienced Linux users (with purist tendencies) who although > appreciate the fact that Linux is customizable, think that major distros > have taken the concept (of customization) a bit too far. > > I am also concerned cos my personal experience, when I started with > Linux with RH-8 which had Gnome as the default desktop, kept giving > strange problems when I switched to KDE. Later I read somewhere on the > net that RH had customized KDE to such an extend that it practically > created a fork, thus even the KDE developers were unable to help RH users. > > Also in quite a few reviews of slackware I found the authors complaining > about how bloted the big distros are... it may all have been just > *RELIGIOUS WAR/PROPAGANDA* (again, no offense to any big distro user) > but I had no way of knowing as I never tried any other distro after RH. > I am just trying to be prepared... as after resisting the flavor of > major distros for years I have finally decide to indulge in the sin ;-) > > Hope you will bear with me > > Thanks > Emon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEtWRHaXfQjFhZoBwRAstTAKCDebs8gLfZTulxOf+/t6WvafkmKwCfRv/r > aoi/KJCNy4b58ouxphFE5PQ= > =eqNi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From realmcking at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 09:10:31 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Thu Jul 13 09:10:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Fax computer In-Reply-To: <1152753645.8896.230.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <14842c410607121413p2743b894waac18f086fbc35b5@mail.gmail.com> <1152753645.8896.230.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: I love reading about these little companies who have found their niche in providing services like these for small businesses. I bet they use linux and hylafax internally, too! ;-) On 7/12/06, John Pappas wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 16:13 -0500, MasteR wrote: > > I was hoping you guys could help me out. I am looking for a solution to > > replace a fax machine with an old linux computer with a fax modem. What I > > want it to do is to recieve faxes from the phone line and then email each > > one as an image to a specific email address. Is this possible? Does anyone > > have any experice with this that will help out? > > > > Might be a way to save on toner since the toner on the fax machine we have > > is so much more expensive than on the regular printer. That and we won't > > have to print out everything, only the faxes that need to be. > > I thought about this also. I ended up using greenfax.com. Here was my > logic: > > Greenfax costs $12/month for each incoming line. Each page over 250 > received costs 3c. Outgoing faxes are 7c/min in 6 second increments > (1min Minimum). > > I have 2 inbound numbers (one toll free, one 210), and a send only. > > In 1.25 years, I have spent $28 on the send-only and $230 on the Local. > I have only had the 877 for 6 months, so I have spent $115 on it. > > What do I get for ~$375/year? > -- Simultaneous receives (not limited to 1 telco line/modem) > -- No hardware to maintain > -- Incoming faxes are PDFs (or TIFFs) in an email account (or multiple > accounts) > -- Outbound faxes are sent via email, can be a number of formats, and > there is no standing around waiting or retrying. > -- Logs of everything > -- Accessible fax as long as there is Internet connectivity. > -- All users have fax from their desktops (if I allow ;) > > Now what does a dedicated physical fax cost? > -- 30/month for the local telco loop (3x my monthly greenfax fee for 1 > line) > -- Gear (Fax machine or fax server) > -- Maintenance Time > > We are not heavy fax users, but our clients tend to like fax for > timesheets, contracts, etc. in the year and a quarter, We have received > ~450 faxes and sent about 225. We really don't send faxes, as we have a > network scanner that can send scans to customers via email. This > scanner also functions as our copier (I love that thing). > > Just some thoughts... > > John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 13 09:18:22 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 13 09:18:44 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Sean Carolan wrote: > On 7/12/06, Travis Mosley wrote: > >> Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by >> the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? >> >> Would like to speak to him. >> >> Travis M, 13 years old. >> > > You guys are hardcore. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time > playing games on the Commodore 64 . . . with it's whopping 64k of > memory. Good times. . . :) When I was 13, I was still in Junior High school, wasn't interested in girls (yet) and was lamenting that I had gotten too old to play in the sandbox and had to learn to play the baritone sax, instead. 7th grade. What a wondrous time. That was before Nixon lied to us all on TV. (first person who asks "who's Nixon?" gets shot!) ;-) From me at josh-kerr.com Thu Jul 13 09:51:13 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (me@josh-kerr.com) Date: Thu Jul 13 09:51:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4833.24.173.227.115.1152802273.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> Careful, you're dating yourselves now :) > Sean Carolan wrote: > >> On 7/12/06, Travis Mosley wrote: >> >>> Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by >>> the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? >>> >>> Would like to speak to him. >>> >>> Travis M, 13 years old. >>> >> >> You guys are hardcore. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time >> playing games on the Commodore 64 . . . with it's whopping 64k of >> memory. Good times. . . :) > > > When I was 13, I was still in Junior High school, wasn't interested in > girls (yet) and was lamenting that I had gotten too old to play in the > sandbox and had to learn to play the baritone sax, instead. 7th grade. > What a wondrous time. That was before Nixon lied to us all on TV. > > (first person who asks "who's Nixon?" gets shot!) > ;-) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Jul 13 09:58:18 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Jul 13 09:58:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B65F8A.4040303@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Travis H. wrote: > Hi, > > I'm short on funds, but I have a spare 4-port Soekris LAN card, and > need some 168-pin DIMMs. Anyone want to trade? It's great for > firewalls, and supported under every Freenix. I'd buy it from you. Is it a 64-bit pci card? - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLZfisnf+vRw63ObAQqh/Av/dywMFqf1vSwscAw2vs0M5nTRaPvoIvE9 eXI1/vBLJaUC44Aa41CPpB+Smasy3110MvoGOmFZDcf5KZLpz46WsOURufpgf98l jQPstvtD/pIC/LLwemo5xVg9g0ASB4hFJcAScP2BLFbCbZrPrIq+OP371tf1OdZ4 Gk9tOT1YhOhJY6FvzWmTkp6M1tOWBb8WIRZjwAuoXHC/mgtHR7eYVwSy+doIaTYw Y2PO3FIEw+eZAoC8alKj+5g2tmAo1efv+wlPR299M3nwuR0x6SX8oMiBNgMpE0j5 uqn3/Ct3XOC09CudVnJEzo9ybTVt9g0W07HyxS0zcqimq79MgDE1a4xqaaqStg9g ZwM18Ncc2EItxEymWIO6cXuS8KgMkEf62/14DQs4whRDUpJhLykJgmPP/1SiOnoV m+u/r0nmv8qG8cAXfPoDnhasOwj1Vgyvg9QqgeggYjbacB7ehHjon0+q3mYUT+AD eXbDQvUODPgANGAVv+kMAZLRpzNAOemH =bJrR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 13 10:15:40 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 13 10:15:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <4833.24.173.227.115.1152802273.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4833.24.173.227.115.1152802273.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> Message-ID: <44B6639C.6040705@w5omr.shacknet.nu> >>(first person who asks "who's Nixon?" gets shot!) >>;-) >> > me@josh-kerr.com wrote: > >Careful, you're dating yourselves now :) > > yeah, but you -recognized- it. Does that mean when we *expell gas* that dust comes out? (lmao!) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 13 10:25:07 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Thu Jul 13 10:24:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <44B665D3.9020102@satx.rr.com> Geoff wrote: > Sean Carolan wrote: > >> On 7/12/06, Travis Mosley wrote: >> >>> Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by >>> the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? >>> >>> Would like to speak to him. >>> >>> Travis M, 13 years old. >>> >> >> You guys are hardcore. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time >> playing games on the Commodore 64 . . . with it's whopping 64k of >> memory. Good times. . . :) > > > > When I was 13, I was still in Junior High school, wasn't interested in > girls (yet) and was lamenting that I had gotten too old to play in the > sandbox and had to learn to play the baritone sax, instead. 7th grade. > What a wondrous time. That was before Nixon lied to us all on TV. > > (first person who asks "who's Nixon?" gets shot!) > ;-) > > > > Ahh, age 13. America's Bi-centennial celebrations were going full blast, I had just gotten my Novice ham license, and had purchased some old Hallicrafters equipment with my lawn mowing money. 4 crystals in the 40 meter novice band and 40 watts and I was having a blast "working" people from all over the U.S. and some parts of Central America. Still have the QSL cards somewhere. At age 16 I got my driver's license, and that took the place of the on-air time. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 13 12:06:26 2006 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (james) Date: Thu Jul 13 12:05:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> Just because the gauntlet was thrown down, I now have to do. I don't want to, but I can't help myself. somebody stop me... ;) Who's Nixon??? On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 09:18 -0500, Geoff wrote: > Sean Carolan wrote: > > > On 7/12/06, Travis Mosley wrote: > > > >> Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by > >> the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? > >> > >> Would like to speak to him. > >> > >> Travis M, 13 years old. > >> > > > > You guys are hardcore. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time > > playing games on the Commodore 64 . . . with it's whopping 64k of > > memory. Good times. . . :) > > > When I was 13, I was still in Junior High school, wasn't interested in > girls (yet) and was lamenting that I had gotten too old to play in the > sandbox and had to learn to play the baritone sax, instead. 7th grade. > What a wondrous time. That was before Nixon lied to us all on TV. > > (first person who asks "who's Nixon?" gets shot!) > ;-) > > > > From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 12:10:24 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jul 13 12:10:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44B67E80.6030501@gmail.com> james wrote: > Just because the gauntlet was thrown down, I now have to do. I don't > want to, but I can't help myself. somebody stop me... ;) > > Who's Nixon??? > > > You know, Mojo Nixon, the musician. He retired a couple of years ago. ~Nate From vern.davis at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 12:16:24 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Thu Jul 13 12:16:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B67E80.6030501@gmail.com> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> <44B67E80.6030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ef09f10607131016q426b52f7mb56de7aaeb29c4f0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/13/06, pixelnate wrote: > james wrote: > > Just because the gauntlet was thrown down, I now have to do. I don't > > want to, but I can't help myself. somebody stop me... ;) > > > > Who's Nixon??? > > > > > > > You know, Mojo Nixon, the musician. He retired a couple of years ago. > > ~Nate > Did Debbie Gibson ever have Mojo's kid? I was hoping maybe ya'll were talkin about Cynthia Nixon. -- vern.davis@gmail.com From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 12:28:01 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jul 13 12:28:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10607131016q426b52f7mb56de7aaeb29c4f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> <44B67E80.6030501@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607131016q426b52f7mb56de7aaeb29c4f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B682A1.4050302@gmail.com> Vern Davis wrote: > > Did Debbie Gibson ever have Mojo's kid? Rick Ashley does keep her under lock and key, but there was a time long ago when they were rumored to be doing the Poontango in the back of Mojo's Bigfoot truck while listening to Elvis. The two headed love child can neither be confirmed or denied. > > I was hoping maybe ya'll were talkin about Cynthia Nixon. > I never had 'sexual relations' with that woman. Hey what do you mean by *is*?! ~Nate From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Jul 13 12:38:04 2006 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Jul 13 12:35:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Friday night Message-ID: <44B684FC.5030700@cis.sac.accd.edu> If you can make it, come to the Friday night Open Source Fest presentation. One of my students took the Advanced Unix Programming class last semester. He has written IC client and server software. It is not 100% complete yet, but it is very good for the amount of time he had to work on it. He will be going through the C source code. His source code demonstrates a concurrent server, non-blocking I/O, socket programming, and the GTK widget set. Come out and support a young man on a path to becoming an excellent C programmer. Steve From j at jvpappas.net Thu Jul 13 12:53:31 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Jul 13 12:53:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Remove empty directory from GNOME menu In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607122004o2059e681g599b3e00bcfc73bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0607122004o2059e681g599b3e00bcfc73bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152813211.8896.260.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 22:04 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > I just uninstalled an alpha version of CrossOver Office, but it left > behind two empty directories in my Gnome applications menu. I can't > for the life of me figure out how to delete these empty folders. Any > suggestions? I really wish Gnome would integrate right-click menu > editing into the menus. > > I'm using CentOS which has no Alacarte menu editor, and I tried > searching in /usr/share/applications as well as browsing to > applications:///. I even ran 'locate CrossOver' to see if I could > find the offending folder anywhere on my filesystem - no luck. > > Any suggestions? > This is why I moved to KDE. I am thinking that the folders are outlined in an XML file in the user's ~/.gnome or ~/.gnome2 sub directory. Gnome does not use a traditional independent folder/file directory structure to edit, everything is in the config files. From j at jvpappas.net Thu Jul 13 13:27:09 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Jul 13 13:27:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Switching distro (from Slackware) In-Reply-To: <44B56447.6090802@nerdshack.com> References: <44B4BFFB.1020000@nerdshack.com> <1152706427.8896.128.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <44B56447.6090802@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <1152815229.8896.277.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> I will try to answer: On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 03:06 +0600, Emon wrote: > Sorry... but a few more questions just poped into my head (about Suse) > > 1) How smooth is the process of upgrading from one release to the next?? > does things break often?? Straight forward. Insert new disk, boot, choose Upgrade and go. I have not had any problems. I have not tried simply changing the install sources to a upgraded install tree to execute an upgrade though. That could be fun. > 2) And how much customization does Suse put into it's pkgs. A bit. For example, They have stripped 'questionable' functionality out of K3B, Xine and the like in order to avoid any possible legal issues relating to codec support and such. In addition, some of the packages are SUSE specific and installed by default (YAST, SCPM, ZEN, etc) but you can choose not to install them if you like. What specific examples are you concerned about? > I am also concerned cos my personal experience, when I started with > Linux with RH-8 which had Gnome as the default desktop, kept giving > strange problems when I switched to KDE. Later I read somewhere on the > net that RH had customized KDE to such an extend that it practically > created a fork, thus even the KDE developers were unable to help RH users. Yeah, this was the whole "Bluecurve" unified desktop thing. I also moved away from RH at that time (RH9 / Fedora spinoff). > Also in quite a few reviews of slackware I found the authors complaining > about how bloted the big distros are... it may all have been just > *RELIGIOUS WAR/PROPAGANDA* (again, no offense to any big distro user) > but I had no way of knowing as I never tried any other distro after RH. > I am just trying to be prepared... as after resisting the flavor of > major distros for years I have finally decide to indulge in the sin ;-) I can understand. The biggies are trying to cover as many demographics as they can with the defaults in order to grow mindshare. My solution is to de-select packages during installation. Yast is handy in that it is package-level granular (and searchable), so I choose the lowest level packages that will cause propagation of dependencies to remove upstream packages (ie X11-MESA will hit most of the Window Managers and X in general). In the case of SUSE, I simply start with a Minimal Install (~500M) and use YAST to add stuff later depending on box purpose. Sometimes, I even remove packages from the Minimal install set just to get it more bare. Hope that helps you! John From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Jul 13 14:48:17 2006 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Thu Jul 13 14:45:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44B6A381.3090600@cis.sac.accd.edu> james wrote: > Just because the gauntlet was thrown down, I now have to do. I don't > want to, but I can't help myself. somebody stop me... ;) > > Who's Nixon??? > Stop it...you all are killing me. > > On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 09:18 -0500, Geoff wrote: > >> Sean Carolan wrote: >> >> >>> On 7/12/06, Travis Mosley wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by >>>> the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? >>>> >>>> Would like to speak to him. >>>> >>>> Travis M, 13 years old. >>>> >>>> >>> You guys are hardcore. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time >>> playing games on the Commodore 64 . . . with it's whopping 64k of >>> memory. Good times. . . :) >>> >> When I was 13, I was still in Junior High school, wasn't interested in >> girls (yet) and was lamenting that I had gotten too old to play in the >> sandbox and had to learn to play the baritone sax, instead. 7th grade. >> What a wondrous time. That was before Nixon lied to us all on TV. >> >> (first person who asks "who's Nixon?" gets shot!) >> ;-) >> >> >> >> >> > > From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 13 14:53:41 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 13 14:53:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44B6A4C5.9060000@w5omr.shacknet.nu> >>When I was 13, I was still in Junior High school, wasn't interested in >>girls (yet) and was lamenting that I had gotten too old to play in the >>sandbox and had to learn to play the baritone sax, instead. 7th grade. >>What a wondrous time. That was before Nixon lied to us all on TV. >> >>(first person who asks "who's Nixon?" gets shot!) >>;-) >> >> > james wrote: > >Just because the gauntlet was thrown down, I now have to do. I don't >want to, but I can't help myself. somebody stop me... ;) > >Who's Nixon??? > > May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits! (The Great Karnoff has Spoken) - 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From solinym at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 14:54:34 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Jul 13 14:54:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: <44B65F8A.4040303@shlrm.org> References: <44B65F8A.4040303@shlrm.org> Message-ID: On 7/13/06, David Kowis wrote: > I'd buy it from you. Is it a 64-bit pci card? No, it's a 32-bit card, sorry. Never been used. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 14:57:04 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Jul 13 14:57:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I should mention, apart from never being used it is worth $89 new, and I have a bunch of PCI sound, ethernet and video cards for swap as well (I'd rather trade those away, since I have several of each). -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Jul 13 14:58:57 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Jul 13 14:58:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: References: <44B65F8A.4040303@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <44B6A601.6060307@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Travis H. wrote: > On 7/13/06, David Kowis wrote: >> I'd buy it from you. Is it a 64-bit pci card? > > No, it's a 32-bit card, sorry. Never been used. Actually that's a good thing ;) I don't have any 64-bit pci slots ;) So how much ram do you need? I'd be happy to purchase it off newegg and have it mailed to you. I might even have a few 168pin dimms at home ;) I'll check when I get back home (4pm) :) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLamAcnf+vRw63ObAQrligv+Kp+F42cRCkzaNaKf476b5p3MCua+Rdku oFj6zksUEq9t+l8BUXAejs5NymWxauRLc26mTv+uXU8gk3pb6nnbMoZtc7emCZi+ bHJlpZEtMeCYzd5zNnCvlheqLqH2VLIAo7OyUJLrcwjbDzrAmAEXT9KZtBrqQ9p3 w7URU9LObfnETGOZ1F8iGTCnmv3mh1iVzr6efOGWUmaBvEapfST57MP/9SlkZQb3 jhhz/6okfuJAnPnqiwoCAns35nubmCXVDvfzZ4r/rRdXWoyn6wOZ1+V4Fc4cqwJR ffNE0LgVtAwBbnWXdsy3MG/7vK7BFNJgiSl4XAvsG23TKRmyjqH8YIth944xNS3l SGArHorCY0uIxnk1XVWb+RKUaVO20sxXLD7RCmWoMK1p+Ge1XaiLNf6SCPJ3FCHI GMlqXgHaaDT4hEQjDEstHDyCNHrVYQPNJyj0KVvbCyWJfPgKoBVV5q1zWabO0uHR 9eMrSxXR3ko64xk8uZYn9HUJJiPUQWRj =DVFW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mgrooms at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 13 15:02:05 2006 From: mgrooms at satx.rr.com (mgrooms@satx.rr.com) Date: Thu Jul 13 15:02:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Travis, I may need that card, I'm considering rebuilding my IP Cop firewall (currently in a full size box w/ four Intel 100MB NICs) into a smaller platform (VIA 500Mhz mini-ITX, pizza box, & a (your?) 4-port NIC). Do you know how the Soekris board compare to the Route-44 4-port card I see every month in the Linux Journal magazine? What kind of DIMMs are you looking for? Thanks, Matt (not Firestorm) Grooms ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis H." Date: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:42 am Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Hi, > > I'm short on funds, but I have a spare 4-port Soekris LAN card, and > need some 168-pin DIMMs. Anyone want to trade? It's great for > firewalls, and supported under every Freenix. > -- > Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. > Unix "guru" for sale or rent - > http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From solinym at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 15:15:12 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Jul 13 15:15:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm looking for PC100. The mobo takes up to 128MB sticks, ECC are selling for $12 on pricewatch, so maybe if you had three of those, but I'm willing to negotiate, particularly if you would take video/sound/ethernet cards instead, or if you throw in something else... I don't know how it compares to other 4-port cards. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From vern.davis at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:04:02 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Thu Jul 13 16:04:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B682A1.4050302@gmail.com> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> <44B67E80.6030501@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607131016q426b52f7mb56de7aaeb29c4f0@mail.gmail.com> <44B682A1.4050302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ef09f10607131404i12066b56pd033731c1eb257f0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/13/06, pixelnate wrote: > Vern Davis wrote: > > > > Did Debbie Gibson ever have Mojo's kid? > Rick Ashley does keep her under lock and key, but there was a time long > ago when they were rumored to be doing the Poontango in the back of > Mojo's Bigfoot truck while listening to Elvis. The two headed love child > can neither be confirmed or denied. > > Well, if it comes to a shotgun wedding, I wonder if they will get The Reverend Heat to officiate? > > I was hoping maybe ya'll were talkin about Cynthia Nixon. > > > I never had 'sexual relations' with that woman. > > I'd not do that; I heard (on an mp3) that "She's got VD"! Besides, you probably don't make the right noise... > > ~Nate > -- -- vern.davis@gmail.com From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 16:14:31 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Thu Jul 13 16:14:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Remove empty directory from GNOME menu In-Reply-To: <1152813211.8896.260.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <20060713211431.49399.qmail@web32009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i found software that will remove them. chris@ubuntu:~/www$ apt-cache show alacarte Package: alacarte Priority: optional Section: utils Installed-Size: 472 Maintainer: Travis Watkins Architecture: all Version: 0.8-0ubuntu12 Replaces: smeg Provides: smeg Depends: python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4), python-gtk2 (>= 2.6), python-glade2 (>= 2.6), python-gnome2 (>= 2.6), python2.4-libxml2 (>= 2.6.17), gnome-menus (>= 2.10), python-xdg (>= 0.15), python-xdg (<< 0.16) Conflicts: smeg (<< 0.8-0ubuntu1) Filename: pool/main/a/alacarte/alacarte_0.8-0ubuntu12_all.deb Size: 59014 MD5sum: 7900dfda866a0125af8ace3eb1a19d1a Description: easy menu editing Alacarte is an easy-to-use menu editor for GNOME that can add and edit new entries and menus. It works with the freedesktop.org menu specification and should work with any desktop environment that uses the spec. Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Origin: Ubuntu Task: ubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop chris@ubuntu:~/www$ ----- Original Message ---- From: John Pappas To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:53:31 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Remove empty directory from GNOME menu On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 22:04 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > I just uninstalled an alpha version of CrossOver Office, but it left > behind two empty directories in my Gnome applications menu. I can't > for the life of me figure out how to delete these empty folders. Any > suggestions? I really wish Gnome would integrate right-click menu > editing into the menus. > > I'm using CentOS which has no Alacarte menu editor, and I tried > searching in /usr/share/applications as well as browsing to > applications:///. I even ran 'locate CrossOver' to see if I could > find the offending folder anywhere on my filesystem - no luck. > > Any suggestions? > This is why I moved to KDE. I am thinking that the folders are outlined in an XML file in the user's ~/.gnome or ~/.gnome2 sub directory. Gnome does not use a traditional independent folder/file directory structure to edit, everything is in the config files. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:17:38 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jul 13 16:17:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10607131404i12066b56pd033731c1eb257f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> <44B67E80.6030501@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607131016q426b52f7mb56de7aaeb29c4f0@mail.gmail.com> <44B682A1.4050302@gmail.com> <5ef09f10607131404i12066b56pd033731c1eb257f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B6B872.3030504@gmail.com> Vern Davis wrote: > Well, if it comes to a shotgun wedding, I wonder if they will get The > Reverend Heat to officiate? > Now that would be something to see. I wanna see Mojo's wife whup Debbie Gibson in a fight for Mojo. > I'd not do that; I heard (on an mp3) that "She's got VD"! > > Besides, you probably don't make the right noise... LMAO. Elvis is everywhere, man. He's after me, and he wants boats, lots of boats. I gotta find Michael J Fox, quick. ~Nate From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 16:27:22 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Thu Jul 13 16:27:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10607131404i12066b56pd033731c1eb257f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060713212722.44400.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> sure you can get alacarte editor for centos. compile it from source code or search debian.org and convert a deb to rpm using alien --to-rpm ----- Original Message ---- From: Vern Davis To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:04:02 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... On 7/13/06, pixelnate wrote: > Vern Davis wrote: > > > > Did Debbie Gibson ever have Mojo's kid? > Rick Ashley does keep her under lock and key, but there was a time long > ago when they were rumored to be doing the Poontango in the back of > Mojo's Bigfoot truck while listening to Elvis. The two headed love child > can neither be confirmed or denied. > > Well, if it comes to a shotgun wedding, I wonder if they will get The Reverend Heat to officiate? > > I was hoping maybe ya'll were talkin about Cynthia Nixon. > > > I never had 'sexual relations' with that woman. > > I'd not do that; I heard (on an mp3) that "She's got VD"! Besides, you probably don't make the right noise... > > ~Nate > -- -- vern.davis@gmail.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:54:22 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jul 13 16:54:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Remove empty directory from GNOME menu In-Reply-To: <20060713211431.49399.qmail@web32009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1152813211.8896.260.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <20060713211431.49399.qmail@web32009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0607131454v5aa47fefu2c71bfc7f5908daf@mail.gmail.com> On 7/13/06, Chris wrote: > i found software that will remove them. > > chris@ubuntu:~/www$ apt-cache show alacarte Chris, thanks for the suggestion but I've already attempted to install alacarte, but it requires a newer version of python than I have on my CentOS4 box. I don't feel like compiling a new version of python from scratch just to edit one menu item. Seems like overkill to me. I guess that's the price you pay for having a "stable" operating system, eg, not getting the latest and greatest versions of everything. I can live with the empty menu items, it's just a minor annoyance. From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:55:27 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jul 13 16:55:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Alacarte Message-ID: <277020fc0607131455p749b2effv645c01ae9a7fe73b@mail.gmail.com> > sure you can get alacarte editor for centos. compile it from source code or search debian.org and convert a deb to rpm using alien --to-rpm I did attempt to compile from source, but it requires a newer version of python. Not worth the effort to recompile python, IMHO. From solinym at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 17:28:30 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Thu Jul 13 17:28:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> References: <20060713040156.41226.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607122136h40ab463cweac414933fd0eb7e@mail.gmail.com> <44B6562E.9060606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1152810386.13733.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 7/13/06, james wrote: > Who's Nixon??? Richard M. Nixon, SSN 567-68-0515 I wasn't politically conscious during his administration, but I have been experiencing a certain deja vu lately regardless. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From mgrooms at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 13 21:04:14 2006 From: mgrooms at satx.rr.com (Matt Grooms) Date: Thu Jul 13 21:04:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006001c6a6e9$cf311910$6400000a@burnside.local> Travis, I just checked in my shop and have a mish-mash of mixed 16-256MB 168 pin DIMMS, PC100 & PC133, single & dual sided, but none are ECC. Found a pair of mismatched dual-sided 128MB's, and a dual-sided 256MB. Sorry, that's the best I could do. I still think I could use that card though.... Matt Grooms > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Travis H. > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:15 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? > > I'm looking for PC100. > > The mobo takes up to 128MB sticks, ECC are selling for $12 on pricewatch, so > maybe if you had three of those, but I'm willing to negotiate, > particularly if you would take video/sound/ethernet cards instead, or > if you throw in something else... > > I don't know how it compares to other 4-port cards. > -- > Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. > Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From j at jvpappas.net Fri Jul 14 07:32:49 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Jul 14 07:32:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Remove empty directory from GNOME menu In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607122004o2059e681g599b3e00bcfc73bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0607122004o2059e681g599b3e00bcfc73bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152880369.8896.291.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 22:04 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > I just uninstalled an alpha version of CrossOver Office, but it left > behind two empty directories in my Gnome applications menu. I can't > for the life of me figure out how to delete these empty folders. Any > suggestions? I really wish Gnome would integrate right-click menu > editing into the menus. > > I'm using CentOS which has no Alacarte menu editor, and I tried > searching in /usr/share/applications as well as browsing to > applications:///. I even ran 'locate CrossOver' to see if I could > find the offending folder anywhere on my filesystem - no luck. > > Any suggestions? > > Sean Did you see this? http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/menuediting.html#removeentries From j at jvpappas.net Fri Jul 14 07:34:10 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Jul 14 07:34:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: <006001c6a6e9$cf311910$6400000a@burnside.local> References: <006001c6a6e9$cf311910$6400000a@burnside.local> Message-ID: <1152880451.8896.293.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Matt, I would be interested in picking up some of those PC100 non-ECC DIMMS if you would like to sell them... John On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 21:04 -0500, Matt Grooms wrote: > Travis, > > I just checked in my shop and have a mish-mash of mixed 16-256MB 168 pin DIMMS, PC100 & PC133, single & dual sided, but none are > ECC. Found a pair of mismatched dual-sided 128MB's, and a dual-sided 256MB. Sorry, that's the best I could do. I still think I could > use that card though.... > > Matt Grooms > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Travis H. > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:15 PM > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? > > > > I'm looking for PC100. > > > > The mobo takes up to 128MB sticks, ECC are selling for $12 on pricewatch, so > > maybe if you had three of those, but I'm willing to negotiate, > > particularly if you would take video/sound/ethernet cards instead, or > > if you throw in something else... > > > > I don't know how it compares to other 4-port cards. > > -- > > Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. > > Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 14 07:53:24 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 14 07:53:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] trade: 4 port LAN card for 168-pin DIMMs? In-Reply-To: <006001c6a6e9$cf311910$6400000a@burnside.local> References: <006001c6a6e9$cf311910$6400000a@burnside.local> Message-ID: <44B793C4.7060903@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Matt Grooms wrote: >Travis, > >I just checked in my shop and have a mish-mash of mixed 16-256MB 168 pin DIMMS, PC100 & PC133, single & dual sided, but none are >ECC. Found a pair of mismatched dual-sided 128MB's, and a dual-sided 256MB. Sorry, that's the best I could do. I still think I could >use that card though.... > >Matt Grooms > what you got in the way of SDRAM, Matt? (or anyone?) -- Best Regards, -Geoff -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 08:30:40 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jul 14 08:30:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Remove empty directory from GNOME menu In-Reply-To: <1152880369.8896.291.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <277020fc0607122004o2059e681g599b3e00bcfc73bd@mail.gmail.com> <1152880369.8896.291.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <277020fc0607140630u44262771m6caa45ab124d3fca@mail.gmail.com> > Did you see this? > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/menuediting.html#removeentries Yes, but I don't have any of the files or folders mentioned there. Gnome documentation is sometimes rather sparse, hopefully they can tidy that up in future releases. I'll probably write to the Codeweavers developers and just ask them where they hid the submenu files. That will hopefully help me find out what I need to remove. From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Jul 14 10:54:44 2006 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Jul 14 10:54:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> When I was 13 there was no such thing as a computer...we went out to someone's ranch and blew who stumps with home made nitro cellulous or nitroglycerine or even fertilizer and diesel. Or made a methane balloon out of plastic laundry bags, sent them aloft at night with a punk and watched them burn up at 5,000-10,000 ft. Oh, did I mention taking girls to the show...it cost 13 cents per person back then and my allowance was 25 cents a week. I also picked up soft drink bottles and returned them for a penny or two deposit. I made 15 to 35 cents a week doing that. Popcorn at the movies was a nickle and a small Coke was a dime. Ice cream cones at the drugstore were a nickle for a single scoop. I had some GREAT dates. OBTW, gasoline at the Billups was 15.9 cents per gallon. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:36 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... On 7/12/06, Travis Mosley wrote: > Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by > the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? > > Would like to speak to him. > > Travis M, 13 years old. > You guys are hardcore. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time playing games on the Commodore 64 . . . with it's whopping 64k of memory. Good times. . . :) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 11:10:28 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Jul 14 11:10:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <44B7C1F4.4030202@gmail.com> DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > When I was 13 there was no such thing as a computer...we went out to > someone's ranch and blew who stumps with home made nitro cellulous or > nitroglycerine or even fertilizer and diesel. Or made a methane balloon out > of plastic laundry bags, sent them aloft at night with a punk and watched > them burn up at 5,000-10,000 ft. > > Do that now and you'd end up in handcuffs for terra-ism. ~Nate From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 14 11:24:03 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 14 11:24:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B7C1F4.4030202@gmail.com> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <44B7C1F4.4030202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B7C523.7010706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> pixelnate wrote: > DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > >> When I was 13 there was no such thing as a computer...we went out to >> someone's ranch and blew who stumps with home made nitro cellulous or >> nitroglycerine or even fertilizer and diesel. Or made a methane >> balloon out >> of plastic laundry bags, sent them aloft at night with a punk and >> watched >> them burn up at 5,000-10,000 ft. >> >> > > Do that now and you'd end up in handcuffs for terra-ism. Does that mean that PETA would have me arrested and incarcerated for causing bovine to loose their balance (cow-tipping)? (PETA = People Eat Tasty Animals) -- Regards, -Geoff From tweeks at rackspace.com Fri Jul 14 11:29:03 2006 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 14 11:29:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin LUG Presentation on eCryptFS Message-ID: <200607141129.03769.tweeks@rackspace.com> Since we were just talking about this on SATLUG... I thought that I would share this Austin LUG presentation that I found. Check it out Travis (and others): http://halcrow.us/ecryptfs.pdf Tweeks From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 11:29:36 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Jul 14 11:29:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B7C523.7010706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <44B7C1F4.4030202@gmail.com> <44B7C523.7010706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <44B7C670.8000504@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > > Does that mean that PETA would have me arrested and incarcerated for > causing bovine to loose their balance (cow-tipping)? > That's funny you mention that. PETA is listed as a terra-ist organization. If they attacked you, we might even go to war with them. ;^) > (PETA = People Eat Tasty Animals) > Yeah, I am a former vegetarian, but these days I do love a tasty burger. ~Nate From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 14 11:34:32 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 14 11:34:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B7C670.8000504@gmail.com> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <44B7C1F4.4030202@gmail.com> <44B7C523.7010706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <44B7C670.8000504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B7C798.2010603@w5omr.shacknet.nu> >> Does that mean that PETA would have me arrested and incarcerated for >> causing bovine to loose their balance (cow-tipping)? > > > That's funny you mention that. PETA is listed as a terra-ist > organization. If they attacked you, we might even go to war with them. > ;^) > >> (PETA = People Eat Tasty Animals) > > > Yeah, I am a former vegetarian, but these days I do love a tasty burger. as a member of the human race, let me just say that we didn't fight, kicking, scratching and clawing our way to the top of the food chain, to eat 'lettuce'. I suddenly feel like a -steak- this evening. Muy yum! PETA is a terr-o-rist orginazation? Interesting, but it explains a lot ;-) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 11:57:57 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Jul 14 11:58:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B7C798.2010603@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <44B7C1F4.4030202@gmail.com> <44B7C523.7010706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <44B7C670.8000504@gmail.com> <44B7C798.2010603@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <44B7CD15.6010002@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > > as a member of the human race, let me just say that we didn't fight, > kicking, scratching and clawing our way to the top of the food chain, > to eat 'lettuce'. I suddenly feel like a -steak- this evening. Muy yum! To be honest there is more to being a vegetarian than eating lettuce. There is nothing better than my stir fried vegetables with Tempeh, but sometimes you really, really just want a burger. ~Nate From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 12:40:07 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Fri Jul 14 12:40:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <20060714174007.42908.qmail@web32004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:54:44 PM Subject: RE: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... When I was 13 there was no such thing as a computer...we went out to someone's ranch and blew who stumps with home made nitro cellulous or nitroglycerine or even fertilizer and diesel. Or made a methane balloon out of plastic laundry bags, sent them aloft at night with a punk and watched them burn up at 5,000-10,000 ft. Oh, did I mention taking girls to the show...it cost 13 cents per person back then and my allowance was 25 cents a week. I also picked up soft drink bottles and returned them for a penny or two deposit. I made 15 to 35 cents a week doing that. Popcorn at the movies was a nickle and a small Coke was a dime. Ice cream cones at the drugstore were a nickle for a single scoop. I had some GREAT dates. OBTW, gasoline at the Billups was 15.9 cents per gallon. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:36 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... On 7/12/06, Travis Mosley wrote: > Is there a member of SATLUG on this mailing list by > the name of Benjamin, 10 years old? > > Would like to speak to him. > > Travis M, 13 years old. > You guys are hardcore. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time playing games on the Commodore 64 . . . with it's whopping 64k of memory. Good times. . . :) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From luis at luisgarza.com Fri Jul 14 13:14:11 2006 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Fri Jul 14 14:20:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af .mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <1161.192.168.2.1.1152900851.squirrel@luisgarza.com> > When I was 13 there was no such thing as a computer...we went out to > someone's ranch and blew who stumps with home made nitro cellulous or > nitroglycerine or even fertilizer and diesel. Or made a methane balloon > out > of plastic laundry bags, sent them aloft at night with a punk and watched > them burn up at 5,000-10,000 ft. ..... Methane balloons? I have a few punks. How do you make that? Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Jul 14 14:33:04 2006 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Jul 14 14:33:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F26@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> You take a large garment bag from the cleaners and tie off the top end there the hangers go. Then tie off the lower end, big opening, but leave it wide enough to insert a gas jet nozzle. Every house used to have one if it used natural gas for heating. After the bag was full, you tied a cotton rope fuse or fireworks punk inside and running outside the bag. You carefully took the natural gas bag outside to a clear area, turned the bag on its side and lit the fuse and immediately released the bag. If you were lucky, it would rise several hundred to over 5000 ft before the fuse burned into the bag or the bag burst and the natural gas flamed up. There were times when the bag flamed up while you were lighting the fuse. Sometimes you got your eyebrows singed. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:14 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... > When I was 13 there was no such thing as a computer...we went out to > someone's ranch and blew who stumps with home made nitro cellulous or > nitroglycerine or even fertilizer and diesel. Or made a methane balloon > out > of plastic laundry bags, sent them aloft at night with a punk and watched > them burn up at 5,000-10,000 ft. ..... Methane balloons? I have a few punks. How do you make that? Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 14 14:51:37 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Fri Jul 14 14:50:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F26@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F26@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <44B7F5C9.4050302@satx.rr.com> DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: >You take a large garment bag from the cleaners and tie off the top end there >the hangers go. > >Then tie off the lower end, big opening, but leave it wide enough to insert >a gas jet nozzle. Every house used to have one if it used natural gas for >heating. > >After the bag was full, you tied a cotton rope fuse or fireworks punk inside >and running outside the bag. > >You carefully took the natural gas bag outside to a clear area, turned the >bag on its side and lit the fuse and immediately released the bag. > >If you were lucky, it would rise several hundred to over 5000 ft before the >fuse burned into the bag or the bag burst and the natural gas flamed up. > >There were times when the bag flamed up while you were lighting the fuse. >Sometimes you got your eyebrows singed. > >-----Original Message----- >From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] >Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:14 PM >To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >Subject: RE: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... > > > > > >>When I was 13 there was no such thing as a computer...we went out to >>someone's ranch and blew who stumps with home made nitro cellulous or >>nitroglycerine or even fertilizer and diesel. Or made a methane balloon >>out >>of plastic laundry bags, sent them aloft at night with a punk and watched >>them burn up at 5,000-10,000 ft. >> >> >..... > >Methane balloons? I have a few punks. How do you make that? > > > Ok, whew! I feel better now...When you said /methane/, I got to thinking about the sources for methane, and, well, I'm just glad you clarified for us. Then again, you did say you were on a ranch, where presumably there were cattle... -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Jul 14 15:17:19 2006 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Jul 14 15:17:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F2C@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> You said... "Ok, whew! I feel better now...When you said /methane/, I got to thinking about the sources for methane, and, well, I'm just glad you clarified for us." Oh, you have a dirty mind. "Then again, you did say you were on a ranch, where presumably there were cattle..." Yes cattle on the ranches where we blew up things but not in the same pasture. We launched the ballons IN TOWN. Its no fun unless you have lots of folks sitting out on their front lawn looking at the night sky. We didn't have much TV in those days. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:52 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: >You take a large garment bag from the cleaners and tie off the top end there >the hangers go. > >Then tie off the lower end, big opening, but leave it wide enough to insert >a gas jet nozzle. Every house used to have one if it used natural gas for >heating. > >After the bag was full, you tied a cotton rope fuse or fireworks punk inside >and running outside the bag. > >You carefully took the natural gas bag outside to a clear area, turned the >bag on its side and lit the fuse and immediately released the bag. > >If you were lucky, it would rise several hundred to over 5000 ft before the >fuse burned into the bag or the bag burst and the natural gas flamed up. > >There were times when the bag flamed up while you were lighting the fuse. >Sometimes you got your eyebrows singed. > >-----Original Message----- >From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] >Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:14 PM >To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >Subject: RE: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... > > > > > >>When I was 13 there was no such thing as a computer...we went out to >>someone's ranch and blew who stumps with home made nitro cellulous or >>nitroglycerine or even fertilizer and diesel. Or made a methane balloon >>out >>of plastic laundry bags, sent them aloft at night with a punk and watched >>them burn up at 5,000-10,000 ft. >> >> >..... > >Methane balloons? I have a few punks. How do you make that? > > > Ok, whew! I feel better now...When you said /methane/, I got to thinking about the sources for methane, and, well, I'm just glad you clarified for us. Then again, you did say you were on a ranch, where presumably there were cattle... -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Jul 14 15:54:21 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Jul 14 15:54:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F2C@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> "from DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA at Jul 14, 2006 03:17:19 pm" Message-ID: <20060714205421.2B6ECDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Another way to do your own Hindenberg reenactment... Gad! Were we *really* that bored growing up? Pay attention here... This is dangerous!! I will not accept responsibility for anyone getting maimed or killed. Ingredients: (1) large glass bottle (half-gallon soda will do -- DO NOT USE PLASTIC!) (2) water (3) aluminum foil (4) lye (Red Devil or other inexpensive crystalline drain opener) (5) balloons (6) fuse material (let your imagination run wild -- we occasionally would use cloth strips soaked in mildly flammable substances) (7) rubber gloves -- protect your hands while dealing with reactive substances like, er, ah, sodium hydroxide. (Basically, follow the safe-handling instructions on the lye container). Fold a sheet of aluminum foil accordion-style such that you can insert it into the glass bottle, and put the foil into the bottle. Add water so that the foil is completely covered -- up to within a couple inches of the bottle top is fine. CAREFULLY add lye to the bottle -- no more than a few teaspoons. Stretch balloon over neck of bottle and collect hydrogen gas that bubbles up from the foil as it gets consumed by the lye. When balloon is full, carefully remove from bottle and tie-off. Attach fusel, light, and release. Makes neat fireball when the integrity of the balloon get compromised by (or in the vicinity of) flame :-). The foil, water, and lye will react to generate hydrogen gas and a significant amount of HEAT. The speed of the reaction (and how hot the glass bottle will get) depends mostly on the amount of lye used, so TAKE IT EASY until you develop a feel for how radical you can get and still control the reaction. HINT!!! If the bottle shatters, you're an idiot. The amount of hydrogen produced will be proportional to the amount of foil used: limiting the amount of foil you feed into the bottle will also control the reaction. Again, GO SLOW!! The reaction will gain speed as the foil dissolves, so it's best to anticipate this and not put too much foil in to begin with. When the bubbles stop, the foil is shot and it's time to add more. WHEN YOU'RE DONE The bottle will be full of non-EPA-approved black muck that you should "dispose of properly". If you can use lye drain openers in your house without damaging your plumbing, that's the best place to get rid of the bottle contents. If you have a septic tank, find another way... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Jul 14 15:58:47 2006 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Jul 14 15:58:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F32@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> I didn't mention that we have mixed a little hydrogen (obtained the same way) mixed with the natural gas...also I forgot to mention that the burning plastic falling to earth looks really funkie. Of course Bob did this over the fast waste lands of Oklahome. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:54 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... Another way to do your own Hindenberg reenactment... Gad! Were we *really* that bored growing up? Pay attention here... This is dangerous!! I will not accept responsibility for anyone getting maimed or killed. Ingredients: (1) large glass bottle (half-gallon soda will do -- DO NOT USE PLASTIC!) (2) water (3) aluminum foil (4) lye (Red Devil or other inexpensive crystalline drain opener) (5) balloons (6) fuse material (let your imagination run wild -- we occasionally would use cloth strips soaked in mildly flammable substances) (7) rubber gloves -- protect your hands while dealing with reactive substances like, er, ah, sodium hydroxide. (Basically, follow the safe-handling instructions on the lye container). Fold a sheet of aluminum foil accordion-style such that you can insert it into the glass bottle, and put the foil into the bottle. Add water so that the foil is completely covered -- up to within a couple inches of the bottle top is fine. CAREFULLY add lye to the bottle -- no more than a few teaspoons. Stretch balloon over neck of bottle and collect hydrogen gas that bubbles up from the foil as it gets consumed by the lye. When balloon is full, carefully remove from bottle and tie-off. Attach fusel, light, and release. Makes neat fireball when the integrity of the balloon get compromised by (or in the vicinity of) flame :-). The foil, water, and lye will react to generate hydrogen gas and a significant amount of HEAT. The speed of the reaction (and how hot the glass bottle will get) depends mostly on the amount of lye used, so TAKE IT EASY until you develop a feel for how radical you can get and still control the reaction. HINT!!! If the bottle shatters, you're an idiot. The amount of hydrogen produced will be proportional to the amount of foil used: limiting the amount of foil you feed into the bottle will also control the reaction. Again, GO SLOW!! The reaction will gain speed as the foil dissolves, so it's best to anticipate this and not put too much foil in to begin with. When the bubbles stop, the foil is shot and it's time to add more. WHEN YOU'RE DONE The bottle will be full of non-EPA-approved black muck that you should "dispose of properly". If you can use lye drain openers in your house without damaging your plumbing, that's the best place to get rid of the bottle contents. If you have a septic tank, find another way... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From vern.davis at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 16:09:04 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Fri Jul 14 16:09:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F32@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F32@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <5ef09f10607141409r20ca7526ka31babb109231353@mail.gmail.com> On 7/14/06, DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > I didn't mention that we have mixed a little hydrogen (obtained the same > way) mixed with the natural gas...also I forgot to mention that the burning > plastic falling to earth looks really funkie. > > Of course Bob did this over the fast waste lands of Oklahome. > Aggies always try to use propane. -- vern.davis@gmail.com From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Fri Jul 14 16:15:40 2006 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Fri Jul 14 16:15:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F35@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> No...propane is too heavy. Then you must use more hydorgen than propane and don't get as big a fireball -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:09 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... On 7/14/06, DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > I didn't mention that we have mixed a little hydrogen (obtained the same > way) mixed with the natural gas...also I forgot to mention that the burning > plastic falling to earth looks really funkie. > > Of course Bob did this over the fast waste lands of Oklahome. > Aggies always try to use propane. -- vern.davis@gmail.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 16:34:39 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jul 14 16:34:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F35@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F35@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <277020fc0607141434kad39ce0k336b0cdd9cb42dcf@mail.gmail.com> On 7/14/06, DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > No...propane is too heavy. Then you must use more hydorgen than propane and > don't get as big a fireball How about mentos & coke - lot cheaper (and probably safer) than propane: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mentos+coke From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 16:35:13 2006 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Jul 14 16:35:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F35@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F35@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <345e55a50607141435l4ab20becr206cb941fd3b05e1@mail.gmail.com> In high school I had access to Hydrogen and Oxygen tanks that my physics teacher used for very visual and auditory demonstrations. We may have acquired a number of balloons filled with pure hydrogen and oxygen in a nice proportion. We may have then attached a fuse, lit it and let the balloon float into the sky. You got a really nice loud bang in addition to the fireball. I can neither confirm nor deny any specific occasions of scaring the suburban population where I grew up. -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jul 14 16:49:40 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jul 14 16:49:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <345e55a50607141435l4ab20becr206cb941fd3b05e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F35@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <345e55a50607141435l4ab20becr206cb941fd3b05e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B81174.4010704@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 BEST LIST EVER! - -- David Kowis +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Cauldron Component Lead | | SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org | | | | Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying | | to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLgRdMnf+vRw63ObAQJ/ugv/S2yJAW9+xRU2YHNKkndCMYM+7jRRllsk 63VHtIUP9e9NeJvdLk9EhjtfPh3MAW+8cLEGJrdfRunMA75vyjle3ZamIccD45a0 fsZvj7X94s4+7ls6li7nIv0MNt8gS10awEh1mDjFERX1NwpUjLB9oYBFxj2Es38H SBPJLB1WoJcxotXlx8q+nQVXyqkc4ARsfS4nyv0uuDXiMCc1387hUpmWD3sw+efu /weYnjueeeYwH3xgBjE5cxCUTzaGXNJL9YXyk8aKuiSkswBZGFxL5eHLJzQkjRic VrJR23fMYocIrD/iAkuKPCvhbSTSeAlIGkoi054Y/TrII45NRmXUc6RY91B9/Rz1 G64mRHgFq9UiQ77K4AJeWI1NvaHbLMcuc8g4vOc/JjrDeTvhxO0Gq8id6ozdZ7eC VDW3ujZtumhjiw+WcdNRj9O+h6cKXoaH2p3wPi8VKDkb3X2uPbYxFqab0WjTmTCv WRLHhG5q9ZHp/frM34QeQPNoVEbGg0sv =RZIr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roypittman at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 14 17:08:31 2006 From: roypittman at sbcglobal.net (Roy Pittman) Date: Fri Jul 14 17:08:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] devil-linux questions Message-ID: <44B815DF.8090803@sbcglobal.net> I have searched the online support and submitted questions to the devil-linux discuss list without finding answers to a few questions. Maybe a lugger can help? What gigabit NICs work well with devil-linux? Can two identical NICs be used, one for green and one for red? Where can I learn how to use thttpd (the small webserver that is included with devil-linux)? Thanks! Roy Pittman From comptech3 at mikeester.com Fri Jul 14 17:57:46 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (Michael Ester) Date: Fri Jul 14 17:57:44 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <20060714175746.35b563bb@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:54:44 -0500 DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > > OBTW, gasoline at the Billups was 15.9 cents per gallon. > Billups? I haven't heard that name in YEARS. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jul 14 21:29:10 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Fri Jul 14 21:29:02 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? Message-ID: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Hey all.. I'm putting some finish touches on my "Linux Desktop" presentation for tomorrow night's Open Source Fest presentation... and wanted to get some of your feedback on what YOUR all think some of the most innovative changes in Linux have been in the past 5 years that specifically have helped advanced Linux as a usable Desktop system. I'm not just talking about themes and nice GUI stuff.. but also want to include important subsystems in the OS like: -Better Auto removable media support thought the evolution of the udev/hotswap, automounter and dbus subsystems -Better unified sound subsystem and device support (ALSA, OSS, etc) -XF86 to xorg transition -Auto hotplug /dev/input/ device support -Better hibernate through continuing APM->ACPI kernel and chipset support -OpenGL Desktop effects via XGL and AIGLX -Better CUPS and printer driver support -Better hardware detection and installers -More GUI tools & less CLI dependence -More/Better package management and repository options -Autopatching (aka yum, multi-distro apt, yast, etc) -Continued KDE/Gnome development under a unified menuing system (some distros) etc... What do YOU think makes linux a better desktop system now over five years ago? Tweeks From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 14 21:38:24 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 14 21:38:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10607141409r20ca7526ka31babb109231353@mail.gmail.com> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F32@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <5ef09f10607141409r20ca7526ka31babb109231353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B85520.4030501@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Vern Davis wrote: >> Of course Bob did this over the fast waste lands of Oklahome. > > > Aggies always try to use propane. > Speaking of Aggies, a friend sent this from Houston, this morning ..... Heard on KTRH last night: Texas Gov Perry placed a call to the International Space Station Thursday... he wanted to congratulate one of the astronauts, whose name went right by me but who happens to be a fellow Aggie. And he is... OH, MY GAWD... THE FIRST AGGIE IN SPACE!!!!!!! Of course, he wound up there by accident. He thought he was going to Leukenbach(sic)... Let's hope he doesn't try to step outside to take a leak... (the shuttle lands Monday...so you have until then to come up with more punchlines...) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 14 21:41:23 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 14 21:41:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <20060714175746.35b563bb@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <20060714175746.35b563bb@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44B855D3.2020800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Michael Ester wrote: >On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:54:44 -0500 >DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > > > > >>OBTW, gasoline at the Billups was 15.9 cents per gallon. >> >> >> >Billups? I haven't heard that name in YEARS. > > The first station I used to get gas for my 65 Ford Falcon Ranchero (with the mighty 240cu in in-line 6-cylinder) was an Esso. From comptech3 at mikeester.com Fri Jul 14 21:47:19 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (Michael Ester) Date: Fri Jul 14 21:47:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <44B855D3.2020800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <20060714175746.35b563bb@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> <44B855D3.2020800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <20060714214719.5d31699f@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:41:23 -0500 Geoff wrote: > Michael Ester wrote: > > >On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:54:44 -0500 > >DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>OBTW, gasoline at the Billups was 15.9 cents per gallon. > >> > >> > >> > >Billups? I haven't heard that name in YEARS. > > > > > > The first station I used to get gas for my 65 Ford Falcon Ranchero (with > the mighty 240cu in in-line 6-cylinder) was an Esso. > Ahh, Esso. Another forgotten brand. And the old Ranchero with the straight-six. Geez, we ARE dating ourselves. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 14 22:05:44 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 14 22:05:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <20060714214719.5d31699f@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <20060714175746.35b563bb@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> <44B855D3.2020800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <20060714214719.5d31699f@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44B85B88.80302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Michael Ester wrote: >another forgotten brand. And the old Ranchero with the straight-six. > >Geez, we ARE dating ourselves. > > *sigh* yeah, and gas was 0.299c/gal when I started driving. g'nite From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jul 14 22:43:38 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Jul 14 22:43:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] devil-linux questions In-Reply-To: <44B815DF.8090803@sbcglobal.net> References: <44B815DF.8090803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200607142243.38305.wmail@wricomp.com> On Friday 14 July 2006 17:08, Roy Pittman wrote: > What gigabit NICs work well with devil-linux? Can't speak to Devil, but a card based on RTL-8169 chipset is communicating this bitstream through Debian Etch (2.6.x kernel.) Support was built-in. Now if you need maximum performance, that's a different question. For <$20 this one is Good Enough. > Can two identical NICs be used, one for green and one for red? Don't see why not. Possible consideration: I've had my firewall box swap eth0 and eth1 around on startup, even if the cards are different. Allow for this when rebooting. > Where can I learn how to use thttpd (the small webserver that is > included with devil-linux)? man thttpd (GD&RLH) --Don From mikeaw at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 23:39:43 2006 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Fri Jul 14 23:39:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4154519d0607142139t50ab0158y50ed8381365bbd9a@mail.gmail.com> Much easier installations and live CDs have really helped Linux gain acceptance as a desktop system. The Live CDs let people play with the desktop before taking the plunge and the easier install is just an indicator of maturity. Five years ago, Joe User would either not be willing to give Linux a shot because it would require installing it somewhere or would try to install it and then discover how complicated it was. These days, that same Joe User can just pop in a CD and take Linux for a spin without commiting to it beforehand. And if Joe User installs Linux, the easier install indicates to Joe User that Linux is really a mature product, not just a plaything. Both of these lead to greater acceptance, especially to those on the fence. On the software side, the biggest improvements have been yum (or equivalent), development of firefox, openoffice, etc. What's a desktop worth if you don't have the applications to go along with it? -Mike From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 00:12:02 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Jul 15 00:12:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0607142212x12042eado7e4721abf675ef29@mail.gmail.com> > What do YOU think makes linux a better desktop system now over five years ago? Broadband. When I first started using Red Hat in 1998, there was no broadband where i lived, so I had to fight with a Winmodem, then finally give up and purchase an external US Robotics, and learn how to use that. Nowadays with cheap broadband available just about everywhere it's much, much easier to get a Linux box onto the Internet. Also, much nicer fonts. When I first tried mozilla on RH, browsing the web was excruciatingly painful. The fonts were blocky, tiny, ugly, and hard to read. Now that there are some decent font packages, and XFS works better, the fonts are nice and smooth. From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Jul 15 00:42:22 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sat Jul 15 00:42:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607142212x12042eado7e4721abf675ef29@mail.gmail.com> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <277020fc0607142212x12042eado7e4721abf675ef29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607150042.22401.nman64@n-man.com> On Saturday 15 July 2006 00:12, "Sean Carolan" wrote: > > What do YOU think makes linux a better desktop system now over five years > > ago? > > Broadband. When I first started using Red Hat in 1998, there was no > broadband where i lived, so I had to fight with a Winmodem, then > finally give up and purchase an external US Robotics, and learn how to > use that. > > Nowadays with cheap broadband available just about everywhere it's > much, much easier to get a Linux box onto the Internet. > I don't think that is really a Linux innovation, but the spread of broadband has been nice. I've been enjoying broadband for over 5 years, but the change in target models in web design has resulted in a nicer Internet even for those who have had broadband all the while. ;-) > Also, much nicer fonts. When I first tried mozilla on RH, browsing > the web was excruciatingly painful. The fonts were blocky, tiny, > ugly, and hard to read. Now that there are some decent font packages, > and XFS works better, the fonts are nice and smooth. The days of XFS are numbered, but it certainly has been helpful. The biggest thing we're seeing in current font news is the DejaVu font family. The major distributions that aren't already using it are working on introducing it. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jul 15 01:15:07 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 15 01:14:57 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] devil-linux questions In-Reply-To: <200607142243.38305.wmail@wricomp.com> References: <44B815DF.8090803@sbcglobal.net> <200607142243.38305.wmail@wricomp.com> Message-ID: <200607150115.07585.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 14 July 2006 22:43, Don Wright wrote: > On Friday 14 July 2006 17:08, Roy Pittman wrote: > > What gigabit NICs work well with devil-linux? [...] > > Can two identical NICs be used, one for green and one for red? Wow.. your question was almost identical to this one: http://www.nabble.com/compatible-gigabit-NIC--tf1927053.html First... Gigabit? Yeah.. sure.. See the Broadcom/tg3 driver or the Intel/e1000 one. Second... Sure.. I've set them up with two eepro100 (nice Intel PCI) NICs as well as two identical ISA 3COM 1Mb cards.. No big deal. You just need to make sure you get your eth0 and eth1 going in the right directions or you'll be on a goose chase trying to figure out why your firewall won't ask for and get an IP on the wrong interface.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jul 15 01:29:34 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 15 01:29:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <200607150042.22401.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <277020fc0607142212x12042eado7e4721abf675ef29@mail.gmail.com> <200607150042.22401.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <200607150129.34555.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 15 July 2006 00:42, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > I don't think that is really a Linux innovation, but the spread of > broadband has been nice. I've been enjoying broadband for over 5 years, > but the change in target models in web design has resulted in a nicer > Internet even for those who have had broadband all the while. ;-) I think what he was indirectly implying was easier to get Linux online, because Linux does better with detecting and setting up netword cards than it does Winmodems.. My brother had this same experience. Linux didn't change.. But when he finally got broadband.. "Ta-da!". Thanks guys.. good insights.. Now I better get some sleep.. Tweeks From donguitar at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 01:43:07 2006 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Sat Jul 15 01:43:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian dial up quandary References: <20060715043959.0E7E543D93D@satlug.org> Message-ID: <000b01c6a7d9$ef1bdbc0$1108a8c0@dec842502> Hello everyone. I've been lurking on here for several days now. It's great to find a LUG with some traffic on it. I live on lake Buchanan in the peaceful village of Tow (rhymes with "cow"). I'm pretty close to a newb so there hasn't really been anything I could contribute, accounting for my continued lurking, but now I have a question. I need an internal modem that'll work with Debian. I have a USR Sportster (internal) but Debian can't see it and the only other "modem" I have is fairly likely to be a winmodem. The support info on the website suggests using an external modem but this woman is going to be challenged enough as it is by software. I'd very much like to use the kiss principal for the hardware if possible. I gave her the computer with Win98 in it. I've replaced Win 98 with Debian 3.1 stable. I bought a 16 Meg video card, because I've done several Debian installs and knew I'd need it, but this is the first one I've tried to configure for dial up (the others were all DSL). I'm not charging her for service so I'd really prefer to keep it economical where possible but I don't mind spending a few dollars if that's what it takes. Before anyone gets into the "Why Debian" thread, know that this is a Dell OptiPlex GX1, 266 MHz PII with 256 Megs of RAM. Debian runs very nicely on it. The Xubuntu live CD wasn't even able to boot up on this machine. I've been doing the net install but the net install CD couldn't find the NIC so I swapped the HD into my 333 MHz OptiPlex, ran the install, and swapped it back. I don't know if that's "kosher" technique but it worked very nicely. Both Gnome and KDE will run on it but I have it set to default into Xfce because it runs a little better. I'm babbling aren't I. Sorry. I'm open to commentary and or suggestions. Thanks, Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 02:55:01 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 15 02:55:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <20060714205421.2B6ECDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F2C@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <20060714205421.2B6ECDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: On 7/14/06, Bob Tracy wrote: > Another way to do your own Hindenberg reenactment... Gad! Were we > *really* that bored growing up? Pay attention here... This is > dangerous!! I will not accept responsibility for anyone getting > maimed or killed. A much safer method involves doing electrolysis on salt water. This will generate hydrogen and oxygen in exactly the right proportions for combustion. When it explodes, it will turn into harmless water vapor. Basically you need a DC source, some saltwater, and two electrodes. I think the canonical electrodes are copper and carbon, but do some googling to get more detailed instructions. One electrode will form bubbles of oxygen, the other, hydrogen. Be very careful with hydrogen; when it burns, it does so with a pale blue flame that is nearly invisible and very hot. When it explodes, well... you know how that works. -- Resolve is what distinguishes a person who has failed from a failure. Unix "guru" for sale or rent - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Jul 15 05:14:22 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sat Jul 15 05:14:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian dial up quandary In-Reply-To: <000b01c6a7d9$ef1bdbc0$1108a8c0@dec842502> References: <20060715043959.0E7E543D93D@satlug.org> <000b01c6a7d9$ef1bdbc0$1108a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <200607150514.22893.nman64@n-man.com> On Saturday 15 July 2006 01:43, "Donguitar" wrote: ... > I need an internal modem that'll work with Debian. I have a USR Sportster > (internal) but Debian can't see it and the only other "modem" I have is > fairly likely to be a winmodem. ... If you can't get the Sportster working, it's time to look at external modems. Serial modems are easy to get working on Linux. Remember that serial modems won't be automatically detected, but the serial ports should be. Simply specify the correct device location (/dev/ttyS#) in your dial-up client and you should have no problems getting it working. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From afcasta at texas.net Sat Jul 15 06:12:38 2006 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat Jul 15 06:11:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1152961958.31798.19.camel@suseshoebox.satx.rr.com> On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 21:29 -0500, Tom Weeks wrote: > Hey all.. I'm putting some finish touches on my "Linux Desktop" presentation > for tomorrow night's Open Source Fest presentation... and wanted to get some > of your feedback on what YOUR all think some of the most innovative changes > in Linux have been in the past 5 years that specifically have helped advanced > Linux as a usable Desktop system. Higher resolution and bigger monitors along with less cluttered window managers like blackbox or icewm allow the gui and mouse to select more xterms on a screen than before (after all, what other use is a gui?). Cross-platform gui based applications like evolution allow usage in both major windows managers - KDE and Gnome, and with the evolution connector, access to corporate Exchange servers no longer requires a reboot to some other OS. > -More GUI tools & less CLI dependence This is a good thing? afcasta@suseshoebox:~> grep "id:" /etc/inittab id:3:initdefault: Seriously, though, I think the advances in robust journalling file systems, like the reiserfs I use or ext3 make the desktop (and the whole computer) more usable than Windows or Linux were five years ago. Say I was working on some code with emacs, and my 2 year old decides this is a good time to push the power button. Five years ago, to recover a usable desktop, it would take quite awhile to fsck each file system or check disk in some other OS. Now, the journal recovers itself quickly and I can get right back to work. Unfortunately, the 2 year old is no more receptive to "No!" and a pat on the hand than they were five years ago. Al "command line commando" Castanoli From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Jul 15 06:16:29 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Jul 15 06:16:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies In-Reply-To: <200607150042.22401.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <200607151116.k6FBGTO8001077@biochem.uthscsa.edu> While not strictly a desktop technology, I'd vote one of the most important innovations Linux has brought us is SECURITY. Not having to worry about unknown flaws in proprietary code is a relief. If correctly configured, any linux desktop computer is save on the internet with maximum flexibility and capability. Another real winner for Linux is supercomputing. Virtually all supercomputers use Linux nowadays, Beowulf systems are what everyone uses for movie rendering, weather forecasting, astronomy, modeling, geological applications, genomics, search engines, large server applications, and many more. And don't forget the best of all: FREE computing. Linux doesn't cost anything. Which goes to show, the best things in life are free. As for strictly desktop applications, I'd vote for gimp, openoffice, KDE, the many great browsers, VNC and vmware. AccessGrid is another killer app. And what would backups be without rsync? There isn't a utility or programming language that doesn't work great under Linux, so all of them are on my list. The list goes on with all the great servers, like apache, samba, MySQL, etc. Nice question! -Borries From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Sat Jul 15 07:00:13 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Jul 15 07:00:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] A member of SATLUG... In-Reply-To: <20060714214719.5d31699f@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> References: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F1B@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> <20060714175746.35b563bb@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> <44B855D3.2020800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <20060714214719.5d31699f@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <44B8D8CD.2050804@cox-internet.com> Michael Ester wrote: > Ahh, Esso. Another forgotten brand. And the old Ranchero with the straight-six. > > Esso. Gone but not forgotten. Part of the Exxon group. I remember growing up in California. My boss had a 65 Ranchero which had a problem with the shift linkage which would cause the little red pig to stick in second gear. I also remember see gas during gas wars being 11.9 cents per gallon and my grandfatherdraining the hoses at a friend's gas station to fill up his Isetta. From luis at luisgarza.com Sat Jul 15 07:51:26 2006 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Sat Jul 15 08:57:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <56099.192.168.2.1.1152967886.squirrel@luisgarza.com> 5 years ago, We had very few installations too choose from We really had to know the PC hardware, the interrupts and DMA Not much of a graphical interface. Not much of a choice on graphical interfaces. One file system to choose from. If you wanted Broadband, you had to use expensive ISDN You really need do know you Hayes modem commands ATDT ... You needed to know cu or tip. You better know K&R C. BBS's were the rage To run a BBS you needed LOTS of modems and LOTS of phone lines. LUGs? Hardly any LUGs and hardly anyone to ask for help. AH those were the days. Today we have many installations from choose from Good "Plug and Play" - Kudzu - bless you X11 has really matured. KDE, Gnome and the other desktops Many file systems to choose from; ext2, ext3, reiser .... Modem? ... Who needs a modem? Its Roadrunner vs DSL GNU C++, java, perl, php, python ... BBSs have become blogging web sites Very active LUGs with very helpful people to turn too. But the most important change from 5 years ago it the expense of running Linux at home. PC prices have dropped to where people can have several PCs at home. Cheaper and faster broadband. Routers are finally cheap enough for anyone to own. There are many Linux installations that are free and are well supported. Better graphical games. Thank God for CUPS. Today, I can have a LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL PHP) server. I could be running a blog with a gallery. I could be using SquirrelMail to send and receive emails. I could even set up a cool MUD. ALL FREE from home ... from my little, inexpensive DSL line. Today, a Linux system and support has become very inexpensive to own and run. Tomorrow, hopefully the commercial Linux will have better and more GUI friendly desktop applications that can run with very little problems or need for support. > Hey all.. I'm putting some finish touches on my "Linux Desktop" > presentation > for tomorrow night's Open Source Fest presentation... and wanted to get > some > of your feedback on what YOUR all think some of the most innovative > changes > in Linux have been in the past 5 years that specifically have helped > advanced > Linux as a usable Desktop system. > > .... > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 09:10:13 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 15 09:10:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <1152961958.31798.19.camel@suseshoebox.satx.rr.com> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1152961958.31798.19.camel@suseshoebox.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 21:29 -0500, Tom Weeks wrote: > > Hey all.. I'm putting some finish touches on my "Linux Desktop" presentation > > for tomorrow night's Open Source Fest presentation... and wanted to get some > > of your feedback on what YOUR all think some of the most innovative changes > > in Linux have been in the past 5 years that specifically have helped advanced > > Linux as a usable Desktop system. In order to be innovative, it had to be created on Linux, or at least implemented here before it was on that other OS. So GUIs are right out. Particularly FVWM95, and other knock-offs of Windoze. However, I'll have more to say about this in a bit. The command line still rules all, especially when it comes to automation. I'm seriously considering making my windowing system be EMACS on one box. Honestly, the Live! CDs are great. People can try out OSes without multi-hour install processes, and without wiping the other OS's partition and starting anew. My parents were staying in seperate locations not long ago and I gave my father (who is definitely _not_ a technophile) a spare 300MHz computer and I installed Knoppix on it. Amazingly, it was fast enough to be tolerable and easy enough for him to use (I admit, thanks to the GUI), that it worked for most stuff. And I was able to administer it remotely via ssh and thanks to dynamic DNS I didn't have to walk him through finding his IP address. With OpenOffice, he was able to read and write Word documents, and Evolution sufficed instead of Outlook (he even learned how to write some filter rules to weed out spam). So while it's not really innovation, the reverse-engineering and copying of familiar tools has combined sufficiently that non-techies can use it without any training. Innovation? I say Live! CDs, or yum/apt/emerge, especially managing dependencies and not overwriting config files. The other OS doesn't have equivalents to those (well, short of BartPE). -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jul 15 09:13:09 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jul 15 09:13:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <56099.192.168.2.1.1152967886.squirrel@luisgarza.com> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <56099.192.168.2.1.1152967886.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <44B8F7F5.5070001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Luis Garza wrote: >5 years ago, > >We had very few installations too choose from >We really had to know the PC hardware, the interrupts and DMA >Not much of a graphical interface. >Not much of a choice on graphical interfaces. >One file system to choose from. >If you wanted Broadband, you had to use expensive ISDN >You really need do know you Hayes modem commands ATDT ... >You needed to know cu or tip. >You better know K&R C. >BBS's were the rage >To run a BBS you needed LOTS of modems and LOTS of phone lines. >LUGs? Hardly any LUGs and hardly anyone to ask for help. > > you sure about that? the Fidonet BBS nodelist at one time was over 3megs, in pure ascii format. When I pulled the plug on the Electronic Avenue BBS in 19999, the world-wide nodelist was under 1meg, and shrinking every day. Ed Coates was running Linux in 1999, when he was living here in San Antonio, then he moved to San Angelo (thanks, Uncle Sam) then he was in Dallas for a while, then back to the Sand in Jello, all the time working and playing in Linux. It was 2001(?) when Ed and I put SuSE Linux 7.0 on a drive at his apartment in Dallas. On Oct 29, 2002, SuSE released this bit of info: -------------------------------- Dear suse-security-announce subscriber, With the release of the SuSE Linux 8.1 i386 ftp version, we announce that the SuSE Linux 7.0 distribution will be discontinued. [...snipped...] As usual, SuSE will continue to provide update packages for the remaining distributions SuSE-7.1 SuSE-7.2 SuSE-7.3 SuSE-8.0 and SuSE-8.1 for a two-year period after the release of the respective distribution. ----------------------- I'm not in anyway trying to start any argument. My point is that 5 years ago, things were looking better for Linux, already. After all, 5 years ago was only 2001, y'all. 10 years ago, now that's a horse of a different corrall. ;-) -- Best Regards, -Geoff A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? (thanks, Channing!) From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 09:33:21 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 15 09:33:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <44B8F7F5.5070001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <56099.192.168.2.1.1152967886.squirrel@luisgarza.com> <44B8F7F5.5070001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: Oh yeah, I mentioned it but didn't bring attention to it; SSH! Finally, ubiquitous remote administration AND file transfer, with no cleartext passwords! And port forwarding! And with privsep it's pretty damn secure! And with ssh-agent you don't have to type a darn password every time! The rumor mill has it that near-future releases will actually support layer 2/3 forwarding, so it will basically be ubiquitous VPN. Imagine all the packet judo you will be doing... for example, you can make a layer 2 bridge between two remote offices.... or sniff a remote network without installing any software on the remote node! And, as someone else mentioned, rsync over ssh is teh cool. Managing the authorized_keys file on multiple machines is a bit of work, but I think it pays off in spades. -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 11:34:00 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 15 11:34:02 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] devil-linux questions In-Reply-To: <200607150115.07585.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <44B815DF.8090803@sbcglobal.net> <200607142243.38305.wmail@wricomp.com> <200607150115.07585.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On 7/15/06, Tom Weeks wrote: > identical ISA 3COM 1Mb cards.. No big deal. You just need to make sure you > get your eth0 and eth1 going in the right directions or you'll be on a goose > chase trying to figure out why your firewall won't ask for and get an IP on > the wrong interface.. ;) Actually I had a strange thing happen. One day one of my BSD boxes had two similar adapters in it... and by some strange reason they swapped numbers.... and my internal domain name (fake) was actually registered, and I had remote syslogging on, and whoever registered that domain had a syslogd that was listening on a machine named "loghost.MYDOMAIN.com", and so my firewall made a few entries in their machine's logs... somewhat amusing. I wonder if that counts as unauthorized access... ;-) I left them an apology log entry using logger, but I doubt they ever saw it... fortunately I had tcpdump running on the external interface at the time so I saw the syslog traffic and I was like WTF??? Now I use a bogus TLD internally, but the interfaces never swapped again... -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 11:35:59 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jul 15 11:36:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] free Linux boxes still available Message-ID: Got one running Debian... not powerful enough for GUI, but enough for CLI and software development... still available. One or two more on the way, but they are not going to be fast boxes either... but I'm gradually shedding the oldest systems, so they will get a bit faster. -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 21:00:07 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Jul 15 21:00:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] News Video on Linux Message-ID: <277020fc0607151900k15a3bbe5y3852e77eab5f27e9@mail.gmail.com> I tried to load up CNN's free news video feeds in Firefox along with mplayerplug-in, but it gave me an error saying I didn't have the proper plugin. Fox News video works perfectly. Seems that Fox uses Flash whereas CNN is using wmv files. I wonder what went into each company's decision to use the formats they do. What Linux-friendly news video sites do you all use? thanks Sean From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jul 15 23:10:25 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 15 23:10:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] devil-linux questions In-Reply-To: References: <44B815DF.8090803@sbcglobal.net> <200607150115.07585.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200607152310.25507.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 15 July 2006 11:34, Travis H. wrote: > Actually I had a strange thing happen. > > One day one of my BSD boxes had two similar adapters in it... and by > some strange reason they swapped numbers.... This CAN happen if you're jacking with the BIOS much or tell the BIOS to reassign PCI resources, or if your adding/removing hardware much. But otherwise, I haven't seen it do this on it's own. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jul 15 23:19:14 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Jul 15 23:19:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] What are the most innovative Linux Desktop Technologies in past 5 yrs? In-Reply-To: <1152961958.31798.19.camel@suseshoebox.satx.rr.com> References: <200607142129.10881.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1152961958.31798.19.camel@suseshoebox.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200607152319.14469.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 15 July 2006 06:12, Al Castanoli wrote: > > -More GUI tools & less CLI dependence > > This is a good thing? Uhh.. for making the Linux Desktop approachable to the layperson and have my hick mom and musician brother use it.. Sheea! ;) > Seriously, though, I think the advances in robust journalling file > systems, like the reiserfs I use or ext3 make the desktop (and the whole > computer) more usable than Windows or Linux were five years ago. Here here.. ext3 was an ok stopgap (lifesaver in some regards)... but the more modern jfs/xfs/reiserfs are the future. Good one! A little late for my presentation..but good none the less. Tweeks From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 04:27:50 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sun Jul 16 04:27:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] xgl Message-ID: <20060716092750.95918.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> what are the minimum requirements for xgl (video card, ect)? From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 04:30:36 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sun Jul 16 04:30:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] out of frequency Message-ID: <20060716093036.34219.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> when i push control alt f5, i get a message that says "out of frequency" and "going into power save mode in 5 seconds". my monitor never did this before. why would it start doing this lately? From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Sun Jul 16 05:02:22 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Sun Jul 16 05:00:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] out of frequency In-Reply-To: <20060716093036.34219.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060716093036.34219.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44BA0EAE.80700@satx.rr.com> Chris wrote: > when i push control alt f5, i get a message that says "out of frequency" and "going into power save mode in 5 seconds". my monitor never did this before. why would it start doing this lately? I'll take a stab at it...has something happened to change the video mode of your console(s)? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-16.html Otherwise, it got nothing... -- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibility, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato -- Mitch Thompson, San Antonio, Texas//WB5UZG Red Hat Certified Engineer From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 07:21:39 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sun Jul 16 07:21:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] blank dvds Message-ID: <20060716122139.2758.qmail@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> where can i get the cheapest price for blank dvds? From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Sun Jul 16 08:13:03 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Jul 16 08:13:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] blank dvds In-Reply-To: <20060716122139.2758.qmail@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060716122139.2758.qmail@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44BA3B5F.50603@cox-internet.com> Chris wrote: > where can i get the cheapest price for blank dvds? > > Depends on the format(?) you are looking for. I recently picked up a cakebox of 100 DVD +R at Office Depot for 19.99. That was a price I could not resist. I have see the same quantity on NewEgg.com for as low as 14.95 but then you pay 5 or more bucks for shipping. Dual Layer run about 2 bucks a pop on line and anywhere from 5 to 10 dollars each at local stores. From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 09:02:58 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jul 16 09:03:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] blank dvds In-Reply-To: <20060716122139.2758.qmail@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060716122139.2758.qmail@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0607160702r6ea9ef2ere16084abb961e53d@mail.gmail.com> Sometimes Officemax or Office Depot will have rebates on them. The best day of the year to buy blank media is "Black Friday": http://www.bfads.net/officemax.html Spindle of 100 DVD+/-R for $11.99 after rebate. On 7/16/06, Chris wrote: > where can i get the cheapest price for blank dvds? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Sun Jul 16 09:17:46 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Jul 16 09:17:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] blank dvds In-Reply-To: <277020fc0607160702r6ea9ef2ere16084abb961e53d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060716122139.2758.qmail@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <277020fc0607160702r6ea9ef2ere16084abb961e53d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44BA4A8A.1070403@cox-internet.com> That was what I liked about the ones I bought at Office Depot. No rebate to send in. Sean Carolan wrote: > Sometimes Officemax or Office Depot will have rebates on them. The > best day of the year to buy blank media is "Black Friday": > > http://www.bfads.net/officemax.html > > Spindle of 100 DVD+/-R for $11.99 after rebate. > > > > On 7/16/06, Chris wrote: >> where can i get the cheapest price for blank dvds? >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sun Jul 16 09:24:23 2006 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun Jul 16 09:25:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] blank dvds In-Reply-To: <20060716122139.2758.qmail@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c6a8e3$9b5eed50$6501a8c0@Blackhole4> It also depends on the length of time you are going to want to store the data or be able to retrieve the data. The cheaper the DVD the less likely it'll be of archival quality. For the cheapest price, search your Sunday circulars, visit froogle.google.com, and you might even try eBay Before you plunk down those hard earned greenbacks, you can also go here http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm and learn about the various makes/models of media and which ones are going to be good and which ones are more likely to disappoint you. I hope that helps. Hasta! John -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:22 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] blank dvds where can i get the cheapest price for blank dvds? -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jtiner at satx.rr.com Sun Jul 16 13:12:11 2006 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (james) Date: Sun Jul 16 13:10:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] xgl In-Reply-To: <20060716092750.95918.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060716092750.95918.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1153073531.5343.2.camel@localhost> I've seen it run on a geforce4MX NVidia card in a socket A system, an AMD 1600XP proc to be specific, with 512MB of RAM. On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 02:27 -0700, Chris wrote: > what are the minimum requirements for xgl (video card, ect)? > From biigal at satx.rr.com Sun Jul 16 17:27:38 2006 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Sun Jul 16 17:25:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Available Equipment for linux use Message-ID: <004b01c6a927$0bb50830$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> I am currently sanitizing (removing personal data and ppw) of a complete Windows Dell system currently running the W98 operating system. It is an OLD system but it is iin excellent shape for what it is. (Used by the used car icon -- little ol lady in tennis shoes who treated it nice.) Dell Demension L667r Operating W98 second edition X86 family 6 model 8 stepping 3 chip (Thats about a 175 I guess) Dell M781s Monitor on Intel 810c chipset (on-board video) runs 16 bit color at 800x600 127.0 MB Ram Modem MDP 3880-W (a winmodem emulator) LG CDRom CRD8482B (a real clasic) Hard Drive 6.97 GB (or 7.4GB) Not partitioned Sound works but speakers transferred to new system. Includes Printer Canon BJ 200ex bubble jet printer All cables and documentation and discs. The client now has a 3000 speed Dell with all the latest software. The speed amazes her and she is going off dial-up to DSL next week. All the speed and the features - RW CD and DVD and a skillion other things have this lady moving into the fast lanes. Anyway this set is available for some use. Suggest a good use and come and get it -- it is moving too slow to escape. Perhaps a router use or a print server might be appros. BiigAl new # 949-0551 new address - now on Datapoint med center area. Available now - I am out Mondays and Wednesdays so try other days. From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 19:03:40 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jul 16 19:03:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] devil-linux questions In-Reply-To: <200607152310.25507.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <44B815DF.8090803@sbcglobal.net> <200607150115.07585.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <200607152310.25507.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On 7/15/06, Tom Weeks wrote: > This CAN happen if you're jacking with the BIOS much or tell the BIOS to > reassign PCI resources, or if your adding/removing hardware much. But > otherwise, I haven't seen it do this on it's own. I hadn't touched it. My assumption is that a packet arrived during autoprobe at just the wrong time, and so one of them responded (came online) out of order. -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 19:04:46 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jul 16 19:04:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] out of frequency In-Reply-To: <20060716093036.34219.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060716093036.34219.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Console 5 is used by some distros for X. You need to configure it for that monitor. -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Jul 16 19:36:03 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sun Jul 16 19:36:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Available Equipment for linux use In-Reply-To: <004b01c6a927$0bb50830$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <004b01c6a927$0bb50830$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <200607161936.03703.wmail@wricomp.com> On Sunday 16 July 2006 17:27, Albert W Lochli wrote: > Dell Demension L667r Operating W98 second edition > X86 family 6 model 8 stepping 3 chip (Thats about a 175 I guess) > Dell M781s Monitor on Intel 810c chipset (on-board video) > runs 16 bit color at 800x600 > 127.0 MB Ram > Modem MDP 3880-W (a winmodem emulator) > LG CDRom CRD8482B (a real clasic) > Hard Drive 6.97 GB (or 7.4GB) Not partitioned > Sound works but speakers transferred to new system. > Includes Printer Canon BJ 200ex bubble jet printer > All cables and documentation and discs. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dmum/specs.htm CPU is a P3-667MHz on 133MHz bus, according to Dell online reference. That's just fine for a small server - it's at least twice the power of our computer show demo server. There's only one internal hard drive bay, but you'd be surprised how big 6 Gig is without Windows XP stealing all the space. --Don From biigal at satx.rr.com Sun Jul 16 20:01:30 2006 From: biigal at satx.rr.com (Albert W Lochli) Date: Sun Jul 16 19:59:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Available Equipment for linux use References: <004b01c6a927$0bb50830$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> <200607161936.03703.wmail@wricomp.com> Message-ID: <000e01c6a93c$8aab4590$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> Well maybe this would make a good computer show demo item! It is small and light to carry about (except monitor) and it is clean and undamaged in any way. Thanks Don for looking it up I was making a wild guess -- compared to the 3000 and my 3500 and 2800 machines it is noticeably slooooow. BiigAl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wright" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Available Equipment for linux use > On Sunday 16 July 2006 17:27, Albert W Lochli wrote: >> Dell Demension L667r Operating W98 second edition >> X86 family 6 model 8 stepping 3 chip (Thats about a 175 I guess) >> Dell M781s Monitor on Intel 810c chipset (on-board video) >> runs 16 bit color at 800x600 >> 127.0 MB Ram >> Modem MDP 3880-W (a winmodem emulator) >> LG CDRom CRD8482B (a real clasic) >> Hard Drive 6.97 GB (or 7.4GB) Not partitioned >> Sound works but speakers transferred to new system. >> Includes Printer Canon BJ 200ex bubble jet printer >> All cables and documentation and discs. > > http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dmum/specs.htm > > CPU is a P3-667MHz on 133MHz bus, according to Dell online reference. > That's just fine for a small server - it's at least twice the power of > our computer show demo server. There's only one internal hard drive > bay, but you'd be surprised how big 6 Gig is without Windows XP > stealing all the space. --Don > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Jul 16 20:24:16 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sun Jul 16 20:24:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Available Equipment for linux use In-Reply-To: <000e01c6a93c$8aab4590$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> References: <004b01c6a927$0bb50830$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> <200607161936.03703.wmail@wricomp.com> <000e01c6a93c$8aab4590$6400a8c0@BIIGAL> Message-ID: <200607162024.16554.wmail@wricomp.com> On Sunday 16 July 2006 20:01, Albert W Lochli wrote: > Well maybe this would make a good computer show demo item! > It is small and light to carry about (except monitor) and it is clean > and undamaged in any way. No, but thanks for the offer. The P2-300 Dell we have makes the point about Linux running on older systems quite well. The rest of the boxes need to be faster to run the GUI well. Plus I've just about figured out the loading sequence for the three systems I usually bring, so the only change I'd like to make is swap a 17" CRT for a 19" LCD. Anyone feeling generous? --Don From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 00:00:26 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jul 17 00:00:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] read-only file system errors on boot Message-ID: Hi, I have encountered this multiple times now. Basically if I screw up /etc/fstab, so that it has an entry which won't pass the fsck stage of bootup, then after logging in with the root password I get stuck in single-user mode and I can't modify anything on any file system; it keeps complaining about them being read-only. I've tried mounting them again, doing "vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure" and all that, and no combination of commands seems to work. I end up having to boot off CD, and fix it from there. Does anyone know what gives? -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jul 17 07:35:01 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jul 17 07:35:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... Message-ID: <1153139701.8896.351.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Hey all, Do any of you know of a business (Local or not) that can referb APC UPS units? I have a number of units (2200-3000 KVa) that need a tuneup/refurb, and most will then be sold (Cheap). Thanks! John From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Jul 17 07:41:04 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Jul 17 07:42:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <1153139701.8896.351.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <1153139701.8896.351.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <44BB8560.50604@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 John Pappas wrote: > Hey all, > > Do any of you know of a business (Local or not) that can referb APC UPS > units? I have a number of units (2200-3000 KVa) that need a > tuneup/refurb, and most will then be sold (Cheap). > > Thanks! > John > http://www.apc.com/tools/upgrade_selector/ Here you can upgrade APC ups's. Unless you're just looking to offload them ;) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRLuFYMnf+vRw63ObAQpzQwv+MRT4t8GCEMgtY6rNDe0/hyh2xTlWsZj/ qC3ZxmPgr8sEme/poFZPPI+DXsJvm7ZbeSgQM+wIZulj4QIL2Nz2Xv1EyhRNcw2O ynqzqphTeQlxB366c87Bs5uO6KrVP+Wwv0iJJO6zrYtmFDjHiUg/k7KuqyvcsyEU tF7P8VzHtxVwgaraFS4kZsyRXF2f2XTRtawEbMZhjVV4eA92RWDHXr/Z8j36EIxe qohcYRhgTTOD9XSoUYJti1kRmGvh1fEoKuaDiI5pK5NtGmGDiGYlC5JpyGus6eYh BYIV+EQKP99OgR734YMam/L35d8MZz58SHSQat3W6rWJRp6WoyDbQaT798len/cq wF3UmqnmrvCqx5ZY2Y8MbqDbo+SMIKkU0JFF8J4Bpm9SAO6JY10ZApRAhymPifAu v2N7EYkQ90rJXYDPIjm4GOVP+clsNOS7LfR+2kfCwvnVnMXtnxSOLD5pqCZHgOMT Ou423MMP0NJUWV69xJJZcYjL+MNmcH8E =lATq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rct at gherkin.frus.com Mon Jul 17 07:54:30 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Mon Jul 17 07:54:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <1153139701.8896.351.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> "from John Pappas at Jul 17, 2006 07:35:01 am" Message-ID: <20060717125430.7EB55DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> John Pappas wrote: > Do any of you know of a business (Local or not) that can referb APC UPS > units? I have a number of units (2200-3000 KVa) that need a > tuneup/refurb, and most will then be sold (Cheap). Battery replacement is the principal action, and the weight will kill you on shipping... If you're planning to get rid of the units anyway, it's probably better to sell them "as-is" with the understanding the buyers will have to make the trip to Altex to get new batteries. If you've already tried replacing the batteries and the units won't come up and play nice, they can still be used for trade-up credit with APC. The batteries for 2200-3000 KVA units won't be cheap... As far as a local company to do the "good / not good" determination, I honestly don't know... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From me at josh-kerr.com Mon Jul 17 07:55:27 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (me@josh-kerr.com) Date: Mon Jul 17 07:55:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] xgl In-Reply-To: <20060716092750.95918.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060716092750.95918.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2834.24.173.227.115.1153140927.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> > what are the minimum requirements for xgl (video card, ect)? I found the Gentoo Wiki to be the most helpful, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL. Another source to checkout is the Open SUSE XGL page, http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl. I'm running XGL under Ubuntu on a Radeon 9600 (watered down and seroiusly under powered), a 900 MHz AMD Athlon XP, and 768Mb of PC133. Runs great. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Jul 17 08:15:55 2006 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Jul 17 08:16:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... Message-ID: ------- Original Message ------- >From : John Pappas  7/17/2006 8:35:01 AM  To : satlug@satlug.org >Do any of you know of a business (Local or not) that can referb APC UPS >units? I have a number of units (2200-3000 KVa) that need a >tuneup/refurb, and most will then be sold (Cheap). ----------------------------------------------------------------- Don't know of any off hand, this is something one can easily do themselves (time permitting). Other than replacement of batteries ($$$), all that's needed is bowing out the dust and cleaning the interior and exterior as required, and then a final load test. This works for me and my covey of six (four SU1000NET & two SU750NET).  In my case, with good power service, my batteries tend to last about five~six years. Lou From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jul 17 08:18:20 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jul 17 08:18:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <20060717125430.7EB55DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20060717125430.7EB55DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <44BB8E1C.2060202@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Bob Tracy wrote: > you on shipping... If you're planning to get rid of the units anyway, > it's probably better to sell them "as-is" with the understanding the > buyers will have to make the trip to Altex to get new batteries. > Battery replacement is the principal action, and the weight will kill I heard over the weekend that A-tex has completely closed it's doors. This is what Altex evolved from, when they originated in the late 80's on Gulfdale. I would think that A-tex would have been a better place to get batteries, connectors, fuses, resistors, capacitors, etc... Wonder who's got the rest of the stock that was there, now? -- -Geoff From gwillden at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 08:58:50 2006 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Mon Jul 17 08:58:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian dial up quandary In-Reply-To: <000b01c6a7d9$ef1bdbc0$1108a8c0@dec842502> References: <20060715043959.0E7E543D93D@satlug.org> <000b01c6a7d9$ef1bdbc0$1108a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <345e55a50607170658j15e57eb1g97f5165e52cf10c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Don, Somewhere around here I have a hardware PCI modem that I used with Debian before I got broadband. Let me know if you want it and we can negotiate a price. Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Mon Jul 17 09:17:51 2006 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Mon Jul 17 09:18:02 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F39@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> There are better places to purchase batteries in San Antonio than Altex. Shop around. Some medical supply businesses use the same batteries (and sell APC UPS). Their price might be 5% higher; however, their batteries are newer. The worst thing for a "gell cell" type battery is to sit on the shelf for months. You want to purchase a battery that was manufactured within the last 3 months...6 months at the very latest. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:54 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... John Pappas wrote: > Do any of you know of a business (Local or not) that can referb APC UPS > units? I have a number of units (2200-3000 KVa) that need a > tuneup/refurb, and most will then be sold (Cheap). Battery replacement is the principal action, and the weight will kill you on shipping... If you're planning to get rid of the units anyway, it's probably better to sell them "as-is" with the understanding the buyers will have to make the trip to Altex to get new batteries. If you've already tried replacing the batteries and the units won't come up and play nice, they can still be used for trade-up credit with APC. The batteries for 2200-3000 KVA units won't be cheap... As far as a local company to do the "good / not good" determination, I honestly don't know... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jennifervg at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 09:53:59 2006 From: jennifervg at yahoo.com (Jennifer Van Gorkom) Date: Mon Jul 17 09:54:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <44BB8E1C.2060202@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <20060717145359.71740.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Geoff wrote: > I heard over the weekend that A-tex has completely > closed it's doors. > This is what Altex evolved from, when they > originated in the late 80's > on Gulfdale. > I would think that A-tex would have been a better > place to get > batteries, connectors, fuses, resistors, capacitors, > etc... > > Wonder who's got the rest of the stock that was > there, now? > > -Geoff I was told that they were going to keep selling their stock through ebay. Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jul 17 09:58:25 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jul 17 09:58:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <20060717145359.71740.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060717145359.71740.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44BBA591.8050802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jennifer Van Gorkom wrote: > I was told that they were going to keep selling their > stock through ebay. > They've been doing that, since the move from Gulfdale to Broadway, near Bitters. > Jennifer Man, there's a name I ain't seen around here in a while. How ya been, Jen? -- -Geoff From rct at gherkin.frus.com Mon Jul 17 10:28:30 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Mon Jul 17 10:28:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <44BB8E1C.2060202@w5omr.shacknet.nu> "from Geoff at Jul 17, 2006 08:18:20 am" Message-ID: <20060717152830.5CF80DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Geoff wrote: > I heard over the weekend that A-tex has completely closed it's doors. > This is what Altex evolved from, when they originated in the late 80's > on Gulfdale. That's a tragedy of sorts... They were my favorite place to go for electronic components, and I don't have a backup in mind :-(. I hadn't gone to see them at their new location on Broadway when they left the building on Gulfdale, and if I had to speculate, I'd say the move from Gulfdale contributed significantly to their demise. I also missed the knowledgeable German fellow that used to work the components counter, although he was more than entitled to retire and enjoy life. For what it's worth, from my perspective, Gulfdale is convenient but Broadway is pretty much a PITA to get to. > I would think that A-tex would have been a better place to get > batteries, connectors, fuses, resistors, capacitors, etc... They had batteries of all kinds, including for watches and UPSs. The watch batteries were my primary reason to go see them... Anyone got an alternate source that sells cells for a buck or less? Seriously... As far as UPS batteries though, Altex has 'em for the same price as what A-tex had 'em. > Wonder who's got the rest of the stock that was there, now? Darn good question... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jul 17 11:18:03 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jul 17 11:18:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <20060717125430.7EB55DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20060717125430.7EB55DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <1153153083.8896.424.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Here is my issue: For some reason one of my SU3000RM3U boxes has "eaten" 2 sets of batteries. Here is the symptom: The batteries get SO hot that they expand and contort in such a way that they become lodged in the system. It is really strange, but I have never seen a SLA battery look like a balloon before. Since this takes 8 batteries, I want to figure out what the problem is before blowing another $18 per balloon. John On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 07:54 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > John Pappas wrote: > > Do any of you know of a business (Local or not) that can referb APC UPS > > units? I have a number of units (2200-3000 KVa) that need a > > tuneup/refurb, and most will then be sold (Cheap). > > Battery replacement is the principal action, and the weight will kill > you on shipping... If you're planning to get rid of the units anyway, > it's probably better to sell them "as-is" with the understanding the > buyers will have to make the trip to Altex to get new batteries. If > you've already tried replacing the batteries and the units won't come > up and play nice, they can still be used for trade-up credit with APC. > The batteries for 2200-3000 KVA units won't be cheap... > > As far as a local company to do the "good / not good" determination, > I honestly don't know... > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 12:16:53 2006 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Mon Jul 17 12:14:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <1153153083.8896.424.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <20060717125430.7EB55DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <1153153083.8896.424.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <44BBC605.6090401@gmail.com> John Pappas wrote: > Here is my issue: For some reason one of my SU3000RM3U boxes has > "eaten" 2 sets of batteries. > > Here is the symptom: > The batteries get SO hot that they expand and contort in such a way that > they become lodged in the system. It is really strange, but I have > never seen a SLA battery look like a balloon before. Since this takes 8 > batteries, I want to figure out what the problem is before blowing > another $18 per balloon. > > John > John, Have you considered Batteries Plus on Bandera Road just inside Huebner? I know that they replace batteries in UPSes so they might also refurbish them as well. It's worth a phone call. My friend has had several UPS units worked on there for his business. Jim From storey at clamp.ws Mon Jul 17 12:42:36 2006 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Mon Jul 17 12:42:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <1153153083.8896.424.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <20060717125430.7EB55DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <1153153083.8896.424.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <44BBCC0C.7090308@clamp.ws> John Pappas wrote: > Here is my issue: For some reason one of my SU3000RM3U boxes has > "eaten" 2 sets of batteries. > > Here is the symptom: > The batteries get SO hot that they expand and contort in such a way that > they become lodged in the system. It is really strange, but I have > never seen a SLA battery look like a balloon before. Since this takes 8 > batteries, I want to figure out what the problem is before blowing > another $18 per balloon. > > > It sounds like the rectifier diodes are shorted. That would fry > batteries quickly. Have you measured the input current from the power > line? If you can't find anyone to work on it, I can take a look at it > with my Tectronix when I return in two weeks. Storey Clamp From rct at gherkin.frus.com Mon Jul 17 13:02:50 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Mon Jul 17 13:02:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <1153153083.8896.424.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> "from John Pappas at Jul 17, 2006 11:18:03 am" Message-ID: <20060717180250.C623ADBA1@gherkin.frus.com> John Pappas wrote: > Here is my issue: For some reason one of my SU3000RM3U boxes has > "eaten" 2 sets of batteries. > > Here is the symptom: > The batteries get SO hot that they expand and contort in such a way that > they become lodged in the system. It is really strange, but I have > never seen a SLA battery look like a balloon before. Since this takes 8 > batteries, I want to figure out what the problem is before blowing > another $18 per balloon. The electronics are dangerously fubar. Specifically, the charging circuit isn't recognizing when a full charge has been achieved, so the charging current never tapers off accordingly :-(. I'd be willing to bet the current is whatever the circuit would supply to a completely exhausted battery bank. The sucker probably hums pretty good too... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From masterr at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 17:06:52 2006 From: masterr at gmail.com (MasteR) Date: Mon Jul 17 17:06:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] xgl In-Reply-To: <2834.24.173.227.115.1153140927.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> References: <20060716092750.95918.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2834.24.173.227.115.1153140927.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> Message-ID: <14842c410607171506u96415e8pc97514b1daaa16ac@mail.gmail.com> I tried getting XGL running on Ubuntu on my Laptop without success. It never would start. I had followed some guide I had found online a while back. How did you get it working? -Jonathan Hull On 7/17/06, me@josh-kerr.com wrote: > > > what are the minimum requirements for xgl (video card, ect)? > > I found the Gentoo Wiki to be the most helpful, > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL. Another > source to checkout is the Open SUSE XGL page, http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl. > I'm running XGL under Ubuntu on a Radeon 9600 (watered down and seroiusly > under powered), a 900 MHz AMD Athlon XP, and 768Mb of PC133. Runs great. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jon/MasteR masterr@gmail.com i am a n00b From me at josh-kerr.com Mon Jul 17 17:47:26 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Mon Jul 17 17:47:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] xgl In-Reply-To: <14842c410607171506u96415e8pc97514b1daaa16ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060716092750.95918.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2834.24.173.227.115.1153140927.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> <14842c410607171506u96415e8pc97514b1daaa16ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1153176447.7464.1.camel@localhost> I found this to be the most helpful http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=389 There was another link in the ubuntu forums (which I don't have sorry:() but the compiz.net worked the best. On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 17:06 -0500, MasteR wrote: > I tried getting XGL running on Ubuntu on my Laptop without success. It never > would start. I had followed some guide I had found online a while back. How > did you get it working? > > -Jonathan Hull > > On 7/17/06, me@josh-kerr.com wrote: > > > > > what are the minimum requirements for xgl (video card, ect)? > > > > I found the Gentoo Wiki to be the most helpful, > > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL. Another > > source to checkout is the Open SUSE XGL page, http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl. > > I'm running XGL under Ubuntu on a Radeon 9600 (watered down and seroiusly > > under powered), a 900 MHz AMD Athlon XP, and 768Mb of PC133. Runs great. > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Jon/MasteR > masterr@gmail.com > > i am a n00b From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 19:15:19 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jul 17 19:15:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... In-Reply-To: <20060717180250.C623ADBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <1153153083.8896.424.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <20060717180250.C623ADBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: I've heard that marine batteries are better and cost less than replacement UPS batteries. You just have to make sure that the specs and the dimensions are correct for your UPS. -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From donguitar at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 20:08:43 2006 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Mon Jul 17 20:08:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian dial up quandary References: <20060717170003.0261E43D90C@satlug.org> Message-ID: <000701c6aa06$b7d25b60$1108a8c0@dec842502> I take the digest so I'm not sure of the best way to copy/paste the subject line. I'm open for enlightenment on that. The computer I'm "fighting" is a Dell, OptiPlex G1, 266 MHz, PII. The modem, sound and network card sit in a removable cage. I think there's something bogus about that cage. The network card worked with Windows 98, so I was able to update Windows 98, SpywareBlaster, Spybot Search & Destroy, and AVG before I gave her the computer. She got a copy of Win2K Pro on a CD but it's a bit much for this computer to run. She really wants to use Linux and I really want to set her up with Debian stable because, (pause) well, suffice it to say that this is a woman who need stability in her life. Debian couldn't see the network card so I couldn't use my DSL connection to do a net install. As I said before, I swapped hard drives, did the install on another (333 MHz) OptiPlex and then swapped it back. I've got a USR modem that has jumpers for Com and IRQ. I've tried them both in several configurations but the OS can't find the modem. So, I'm giving up the notion of an internal modem and will be picking up an external modem this evening or perhaps tomorrow. Thank you all for your assistance. It's really nice to have found a LUG that's willing to accept and assist a novice. I switched from an Apple II+ to an IBM compatible with DOS and hated it. I switched from DOS to Windows 3.0 and hated it. I later hated Win98, Win98SE and currently hate Win2K. For years I've wanted to switch to Linux but was put off by the very notion of taking on another learning curve but here I am climbing and complaining one more time. I'm really having a great time. I'm so glad that I finally jumped in but there have been a couple of times when I'd have been just as happy not to learn anything new for at least a couple of days. Getting this Dell to run on a dial up connection, for example, is simply more than I intended to learn this week. Thanx again everyone, Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com From comptech3 at mikeester.com Mon Jul 17 20:57:41 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (Michael Ester) Date: Mon Jul 17 20:57:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian dial up quandary In-Reply-To: <000701c6aa06$b7d25b60$1108a8c0@dec842502> References: <20060717170003.0261E43D90C@satlug.org> <000701c6aa06$b7d25b60$1108a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <20060717205741.57d26d9c@xubuntu.satx.rr.com> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:08:43 -0500 "Donguitar" wrote: > The computer I'm "fighting" is a Dell, OptiPlex G1, 266 MHz, PII. The > modem, sound and network card sit in a removable cage. I think there's > something bogus about that cage. The network card worked with Windows 98, > so I was able to update Windows 98, SpywareBlaster, Spybot Search & Destroy, > and AVG before I gave her the computer. She got a copy of Win2K Pro on a CD > but it's a bit much for this computer to run. She really wants to use Linux > and I really want to set her up with Debian stable because, (pause) well, > suffice it to say that this is a woman who need stability in her life. > As a former Dell support tech, I can tell you that the riser card (the removable cage you refer to) can very well be a problem. I was working the phones in Round Rock when the G1 was first released. One of the first troubleshooting steps we would always do with the Optiplex series would be to remove the riser to see if a problem went away. I personally remember having a customer call claiming the integrated 3com NIC was faulty. I had him pull the riser card out and the NIC started working. When he put the riser back, the problem returned. Since it is a G1, it did not have an integrated sound card as an option. Have you physically removed the cards from the riser slots and put them back in? A lot of times, reseating parts can cure a lot of ills. Do you have the service tag of the machine available? We can look up the original system config on Dell's support site for more information about it. I do remember that when these Optiplexes shipped with a Turtle Beach Montego card, it would only work in certain slots. The service tag would tell us more. -- Mike Ester From realmcking at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 23:10:09 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Mon Jul 17 23:10:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] xgl In-Reply-To: <1153176447.7464.1.camel@localhost> References: <20060716092750.95918.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2834.24.173.227.115.1153140927.squirrel@webmail.josh-kerr.com> <14842c410607171506u96415e8pc97514b1daaa16ac@mail.gmail.com> <1153176447.7464.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 7/17/06, Josh Kerr wrote: > I found this to be the most helpful > http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=389 > > There was another link in the ubuntu forums (which I don't have sorry:() > but the compiz.net worked the best. > > > > On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 17:06 -0500, MasteR wrote: > > I tried getting XGL running on Ubuntu on my Laptop without success. It never > > would start. I had followed some guide I had found online a while back. How > > did you get it working? > > > > -Jonathan Hull > > > > On 7/17/06, me@josh-kerr.com wrote: > > > > > > > what are the minimum requirements for xgl (video card, ect)? > > > > > > I found the Gentoo Wiki to be the most helpful, > > > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL. Another > > > source to checkout is the Open SUSE XGL page, http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl. > > > I'm running XGL under Ubuntu on a Radeon 9600 (watered down and seroiusly > > > under powered), a 900 MHz AMD Athlon XP, and 768Mb of PC133. Runs great. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jon/MasteR > > masterr@gmail.com > > > > i am a n00b > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Look in ubuntuforums.org -- there is a really good howto. The packages are in universe, so you can now just apt-get the necessary bits. -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL Tue Jul 18 09:14:22 2006 From: Walt.DuBose at RANDOLPH.AF.MIL (DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA) Date: Tue Jul 18 09:14:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... Message-ID: <1CBE59FBA02D8940B2EC4230CAE72E4B054D3F60@fstymx45.randolph.aetc.ds.af.mil> I don't recommend using marine batteries as they are true lead-acid batteries and vent too much hydrogen sulfide gas (and sulfuric acid). Gel Cell batteries are designed to have a controlled vent of gas and as such minimize the amount of hydrogen sulfide gas and sulfuric acid into the air. Hydrogen sulfide gas and sulfuric acid with it corrode you electronic components at a very high rate. Walt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:15 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: APC UPS Refurbishing... I've heard that marine batteries are better and cost less than replacement UPS batteries. You just have to make sure that the specs and the dimensions are correct for your UPS. -- ``I am not a pessimist. To perceive evil where it exists is, in my opinion, a form of optimism.'' -- Roberto Rossellini http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Jul 18 13:25:28 2006 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jul 18 13:25:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Yellow Dog Linux Promotion] Message-ID: <44BD2798.8010401@gmail.com> FYI. -- Bruce -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Yellow Dog Linux Promotion Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:17:58 -0600 From: hsimpson@terrasoftsolutions.com To: officers@satlug.org LUGs of the web, I am sending this out to invite you to take advantage of this free promotion. Yellow Dog Linux is designed to work with the PPC as an alternative to OSX. I would like to know if you have any members that are PPC users and if they would be intrested in reciving a free YDL prmotion package with cds, book and install guide. If you have any users who would be interested in receiving a promotional package of v4.1 please drop me a line at this address or if you have any questions do feel free to write and ask them. Our web site is http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/ if you would like to look at what we have to offer your members. Thanks, Heather Simpson Terra Soft Solutions Shipping Department (970) 278.9243 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 13:48:53 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jul 18 13:48:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Yellow Dog Linux Promotion] In-Reply-To: <44BD2798.8010401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060718184853.30526.qmail@web54304.mail.yahoo.com> so I take it we reply directly to him or to you? I'd like to try this on a Apple Ibook 500mhz... --- Bruce Dubbs wrote: > FYI. > -- Bruce > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Yellow Dog Linux Promotion > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:17:58 -0600 > From: hsimpson@terrasoftsolutions.com > To: officers@satlug.org > > LUGs of the web, > > I am sending this out to invite you to take > advantage of this free > promotion. > Yellow Dog Linux is designed to work with the PPC as > an alternative to > OSX. > I would like to know if you have any members that > are PPC users and if they > would be intrested in reciving a free YDL prmotion > package with cds, > book and > install guide. > > If you have any users who would be interested in > receiving a promotional > package of v4.1 please drop me a line at this > address or if you have any > questions do feel free to write and ask them. Our > web site is > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/ if you would like > to look at what we > have > to offer your members. > > Thanks, > Heather Simpson > Terra Soft Solutions > Shipping Department > (970) 278.9243 > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jesse at liberto.org Tue Jul 18 14:12:58 2006 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Tue Jul 18 14:13:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Yellow Dog Linux Promotion] In-Reply-To: <20060718184853.30526.qmail@web54304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060718191511.C695616AA07@mail.ricos.com> I've installed YDL on my g4 cube in the past. I'm always interested in boxes of free goodies. ~jesse -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Alex Bartonek Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:49 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Yellow Dog Linux Promotion] so I take it we reply directly to him or to you? I'd like to try this on a Apple Ibook 500mhz... --- Bruce Dubbs wrote: > FYI. > -- Bruce > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Yellow Dog Linux Promotion > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:17:58 -0600 > From: hsimpson@terrasoftsolutions.com > To: officers@satlug.org > > LUGs of the web, > >