From eli at then7.com Thu Jun 1 06:44:08 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Thu Jun 1 06:44:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ekiga/Gnomemeeting question In-Reply-To: <1149120012.3356.31.camel@tiamat> References: <447DCCDA.2000204@gawab.com> <1149120012.3356.31.camel@tiamat> Message-ID: <43797.67.187.74.84.1149162248.squirrel@67.187.74.84> I think the dependency issue might be fooling you. Sometimes the dependency chain doesn't go as far as you might think. Example, I've done an "apt-get install gftp" before on a Debian system that didn't have any desktop or x11 installed. That command which will install gftp, won't download everything neccessary. I believe that dependencies only include the "nearby" or most direct ones. So when you say you satisfied the dependencies, it's possible that you didn't get some core libs installed. I'm thinking this is freerock/gnome related. My advice is to try a full/normal install of freerock and see what happens. If that doesn't help, try it in conjunction with ekiga and it's direct dependencies from linuxpackages.net. e From kkopacki at idworld.net Thu Jun 1 07:24:28 2006 From: kkopacki at idworld.net (Ken Kopacki) Date: Thu Jun 1 07:24:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Hosting In-Reply-To: <200605312345.51925.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <20060601122429.BCD8043DA45@satlug.org> That describes every feeling I have about using linux LOL -----Original Message----- From: Tom Weeks [mailto:tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:46 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Cc: Ken Kopacki Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Hosting On Wednesday 31 May 2006 11:00, Ken Kopacki wrote: > sure you can (point an MX record or a CNAME) No.. you don't. (sure you COULD.. but that would be wrong. like in a having sex with your sister sort of way ;) [your example zone file] > ; Unspecified Host > IN A 209.142.78.242 > IN MX 50 mail > IN MX 100 something.something.com. > > ; Local Host > localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 > > ; Services > smtp IN CNAME mail > pop3 IN CNAME mail > news IN CNAME news > ftp IN CNAME www > > ; Hosts > mail IN A 209.98.186.70 > > as an example of course :) > > this comes from a live zone file I'm running You just made my point for me. You're default MX above is pointing all email for whateverthiszoneis.com to "mail", which since there is no trailing dot, gets the zone name appended to it to form the target hostname mail.whateverthiszoneis.com. , which further down you define as an A record: mail IN A 209.98.186.70 (which since there is also no trailing dot, again adopts the zone name space as defined above it, which ends up reading: mail.whateverthiszoneis.com. IN A 209.98.186.70 So you're not using a CNAME to point your MX to above, but an A record.. which is as I said before, fine; but a CNAME would NOT be ok (i.e. sister) That being said, I can not vouch for your second A record, something.something.com, since it appears that this it not that zone or zone file (since there's no record at all for something.something.com). Tweeks (sorry about being a stickler.. I wrote the first class on DNS at Rackspace back in my teaching days, and getting this stuff right is quite critical when t-shooting mail server issues) From othniel at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 10:00:52 2006 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Thu Jun 1 10:00:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] rsync not recognizing existing files In-Reply-To: <277020fc0605281124p11001617r161aa0b52100084d@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0605280846t9cb2e5ck7d40957251245ecb@mail.gmail.com> <40885.67.187.74.84.1148831420.squirrel@67.187.74.84> <277020fc0605281124p11001617r161aa0b52100084d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24b598f60606010800p274ac9ebpa8dd024d3a975706@mail.gmail.com> This is a common problem with Rsync and Windows. Time stamps on windows are not accurate to 1 sec. accuracy. Microsoft allows about 30 time stamps / minute, so when rsync on windows (or cygwin) goes to compare the time stamps to Linux (which are accurate) the compare fails and the file is re-transmitted. There is a switch which windows users can use to treat time stamps within 2-3 seconds as identical. This will address your symptom, but the problem is the underlying operating system specifically the file system's directory entry field definitions. cya, Othniel On 5/28/06, Sean Carolan wrote: > > On 5/28/06, Eli Cantu wrote: > > try on a very small test directory with a few files, then you can > > add/remove a file and run the sync again to see what happens. > > > > p.s. I never did have much luck with cygwin/rsync. rsyncing Linux/unix > to > > linux/unix it works beautifully. > > I think it's working now, but you are right about it working *much* > better on *nix systems. The permissions, etc. are weird on Windows > computers. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 12:10:31 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jun 1 12:12:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy DNS question Message-ID: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks, maybe one of you can help me sort this out: We have logwatch set up to send reports to our system adminstrator from each Linux workstation. This internal mail on our LAN gets sent like this: boxadmin@hostname Where 'hostname' is the simple hostname of our server on the LAN. We have port 25 outbound blocked at the firewall except for our mail server. Although the logwatch mails are delivered, the from address says root@premium.geo.akadns.net. This is because probably because Yahoo is handling DNS for our domain name. I tried adding the hostname to /etc/hosts but it still goes back to the akadns address. We want this to say 'root@hostname' instead. Any pointers are greatly welcome. thanks Sean -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 12:37:08 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jun 1 12:37:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? Message-ID: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> I have read that ". . . syslogd has no facility to split log messages from different hosts to different files." I would rather have all the logfiles in one place, however the prospect of merging them all into /var/log/messages is not so palatable. I guess the right software could filter the file so you only saw what you wanted to at any given point in time. Thanks Sean From hapihakr at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 12:57:54 2006 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Thu Jun 1 12:57:57 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS zone file and setting up subdomains Message-ID: <20060601175754.17387.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> I have a domain (alamocomputing.com) set up on a VPS (virtual private server; re: www.unixshell.com). My registrar is Verio and I use their nameservers. My reverse DNS lookup is set by my VPS service provider (unixshell). I have a somewhat technical question regarding the setting up of DNS zone files for subdomain hosts under my primary domain. (I'm not sure of the correct terminology.) Here's what I want to do. I have a VPS with domain name alamocomputing.com. My business model is that of an application service provider (ASP) providing subscribers (users) with remote access to their own Linux desktop (using FreeNX). Basically, I'll be setting up terminal servers. These terminal servers will be set up on other unixshell VPSs. I want these VPSs to have host names like ts1.alamocomputing.com, ts2.alamocomputing.com, ts3.alamocomputing.com, etc. Currently, I use the name servers of my registrar (Verio) and there my zone file looks like this: alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ~all" alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN NS ns19a.nameservers.net. alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN NS ns19b.nameservers.net. www.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN MX 100 www.alamocomputing.com. mail.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN MX 75 mail.alamocomputing.com. alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN MX 50 alamocomputing.com. www.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN A 207.210.83.215 webmail.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN A 207.210.83.215 smtp.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN A 207.210.83.215 mail.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN A 207.210.83.215 ftp.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN A 207.210.83.215 alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN A 207.210.83.215 My question is this: As I set up new VPSs can I just add them to my zone file with an entry like this: ts1.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN A nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn where nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn is the IP address of the VPS for that terminal server. Ultimately, once my business grows, I will set up my own nameservers on their own VPSs, but for now I would like to continue using my registrar's nameservers. Thanks for your feedback. Antonio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Jun 1 13:06:10 2006 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Jun 1 13:06:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy DNS question In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060601180610.GA6136@mail.fortuitous.com> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:10:31PM -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > Hey folks, maybe one of you can help me sort this out: > > We have logwatch set up to send reports to our system adminstrator > from each Linux workstation. This internal mail on our LAN gets sent > like this: > > boxadmin@hostname > > Where 'hostname' is the simple hostname of our server on the LAN. We > have port 25 outbound blocked at the firewall except for our mail > server. > > Although the logwatch mails are delivered, the from address says > root@premium.geo.akadns.net. This is because probably because Yahoo > is handling DNS for our domain name. Sean, This sounds like a mail server issue. Does your server have masquerading setup? If so, it will strip the hostnames off and put in the canonical domain. How is your email setup internally? -Phil Carinhas Join our performance mailing list at: http://fortuitous.com/en/resources/lists.html -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas || http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc || Tel : 1-512-351-7783 | | Performance Engineering, Capacity Planning & Unix Svcs | `--------------------------------------------------------' From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Jun 1 13:09:35 2006 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Jun 1 13:09:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS zone file and setting up subdomains In-Reply-To: <20060601175754.17387.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060601175754.17387.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060601180935.GB6136@mail.fortuitous.com> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 10:57:54AM -0700, Antonio wrote: > My question is this: As I set up new VPSs can I just > add them to my zone file with an entry like this: > > ts1.alamocomputing.com. 86400 IN A nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn > > where nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn is the IP address of the VPS for > that terminal server. I believe the answer is yes. I'm not sure why you'd want a terminal server on a public IP space, but I'm sure you have your reasons. -Phil Carinhas Join our performance mailing list at: http://fortuitous.com/en/resources/lists.html -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas || http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc || Tel : 1-512-351-7783 | | Performance Engineering, Capacity Planning & Unix Svcs | `--------------------------------------------------------' From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 13:12:39 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jun 1 13:12:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy DNS question In-Reply-To: <20060601180610.GA6136@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> <20060601180610.GA6136@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606011112n7b5f1c92r58463e9d67705d08@mail.gmail.com> > > This sounds like a mail server issue. Does your server have masquerading > setup? If so, it will strip the hostnames off and put in the canonical > domain. How is your email setup internally? Let me explain more clearly: We have one mailserver which is properly configured for all our normal incoming and outgoing company mail. All mail clients on our network use this server for sending mail. We have several Linux workstations which use their own sendmail programs for one purpose, that is to send the logwatch emails to the sysadmin. I don't think logwatch can use an 'external' SMTP server for sending mail. They only need to send one email per day on the local network. I would like to configure sendmail so the from' address show up as root@hostname instead of root@premium.geo.akadns.net. I thought a simple hostname tweak would fix it but I was wrong. From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 13:23:04 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jun 1 13:23:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS zone file and setting up subdomains In-Reply-To: <20060601180935.GB6136@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <20060601175754.17387.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <20060601180935.GB6136@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606011123w515beddj112859e75858fd53@mail.gmail.com> I just checked out unixshell.com - very cool! How has your experience been with them? Can you really just reinstall your OS any time you want? From channing-c at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 1 14:55:45 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Thu Jun 1 14:55:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <447F4641.8040901@satx.rr.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > I have read that ". . . syslogd has no facility to split log messages > from different hosts to different files." > > I would rather have all the logfiles in one place, however the > prospect of merging them all into /var/log/messages is not so > palatable. I guess the right software could filter the file so you > only saw what you wanted to at any given point in time. > > Thanks > > Sean Hi Sean, I don't know how much help this will be but I think you have a couple of options depending on your resources: 1. syslog can be directed to a pipe as it's output (instead of a file). You could then write a perl/bash/python/(good grief) tool that parsed out the input and wrote the logs based on the hostname field. 2. checkout syslog-ng. It's worlds ahead of the traditional syslogd, I just don't know off the top of my head how easy writing rules for what you want to do really is. HTH, Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 16:38:21 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Jun 1 16:38:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/1/06, Sean Carolan wrote: > I have read that ". . . syslogd has no facility to split log messages > from different hosts to different files." > > I would rather have all the logfiles in one place, however the > prospect of merging them all into /var/log/messages is not so > palatable. I guess the right software could filter the file so you > only saw what you wanted to at any given point in time. Think in terms of Event Management. I know it sounds like overkill but it is a "scalable" process. Starting small but with the "Right Stuff" will pay big dividends down the road. I was going to mention Splunk: <> *** and Splunk with tagging: <> and Splunk Blogs: *** Ben Rockwood's: <> General: <> but I looked at the FAQ on syslog-ng and found this: <> The "Central Loghost Mini-HOWTO" uses syslog-ng, Splunk and other things in a mini-HOWTO solution. The "Newlogcheck" solution is closer to the traditional approach I have used in the past. Boy, they have really made a lot of progress since I was writing scripts to sort and merge logs. We even put logs into a relational database for quick key word event chronology scans. This let us see quickly the last thing that changed before the error event and the sequence of events leading up to it. Today, ***tagging replaces the database and is better, faster and cheaper. In the scripting method there is always the "real-time" gap between the error event and the log-processing. Plus the Disaster Recovery scenario of the logs and the processed log info possibly being unavailable needs to be taken into account. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 18:21:33 2006 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Thu Jun 1 18:21:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: <447F4641.8040901@satx.rr.com> References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> <447F4641.8040901@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <447F767D.4060003@gmail.com> Channing wrote: > Sean Carolan wrote: >> I have read that ". . . syslogd has no facility to split log messages >> from different hosts to different files." >> >> I would rather have all the logfiles in one place, however the >> prospect of merging them all into /var/log/messages is not so >> palatable. I guess the right software could filter the file so you >> only saw what you wanted to at any given point in time. >> >> Thanks >> >> Sean > Hi Sean, > > I don't know how much help this will be but I think you have a couple > of options depending on your resources: > > 1. syslog can be directed to a pipe as it's output (instead of a > file). You could then write a perl/bash/python/(good grief) tool that > parsed out the input and wrote the logs based on the hostname field. > 2. checkout syslog-ng. It's worlds ahead of the traditional > syslogd, I just don't know off the top of my head how easy writing > rules for what you want to do really is. > > HTH, > Channing > > > Check out syslog-ng writing rules for it is very simple and straight forwards. You can filter many different ways. An example I filter anytime someone access TFTP to it's own file so I can see when a change has been mad to one of my Xyplexes, also I forwards all my xyplex servers to log to one linux box where based up ip address i create folders for each. Zeb From satlugmail1 at rcsinc.us Thu Jun 1 18:36:22 2006 From: satlugmail1 at rcsinc.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Thu Jun 1 18:36:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy DNS question In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <447F79F6.3010304@rcsinc.us> Modify your hosts file for IP and hostname Look in your sendmail.cf and find this line. ----- # Alias for this host Cw localhost rcsinc.us ----- Change it to your hostname and restart sendmail. Vinny Sean Carolan wrote: > Hey folks, maybe one of you can help me sort this out: > > We have logwatch set up to send reports to our system adminstrator > from each Linux workstation. This internal mail on our LAN gets sent > like this: > > boxadmin@hostname > > Where 'hostname' is the simple hostname of our server on the LAN. We > have port 25 outbound blocked at the firewall except for our mail > server. > > Although the logwatch mails are delivered, the from address says > root@premium.geo.akadns.net. This is because probably because Yahoo > is handling DNS for our domain name. > > I tried adding the hostname to /etc/hosts but it still goes back to > the akadns address. We want this to say 'root@hostname' instead. > > Any pointers are greatly welcome. > > thanks > > Sean > > From hapihakr at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 19:37:39 2006 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Thu Jun 1 19:37:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS zone file and setting up Message-ID: <20060602003739.92601.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> "Sean Carolan" wrote: > I just checked out unixshell.com - very cool! > How has your experience been with them? > Can you really just reinstall your OS > any time you want? -------------------------------------------------- Yeah, unixshell is cool. And you can reinstall your os at will. You have full root access to the VPS. Currently supported oses include: CentOS (RedHat Enterprise rebuild) Debian (woody/testing/unstable branches) Gentoo Fedora Core Mandrake Mandriva Slackware Ubuntu I believe that if you have a special need for an os that they don't officially support, you can get them to assist you with the installion (for a fee, of course; but don't quote me here, check with unixshell). They also provide the ability to take a snapshot of the VPS and download it, then to restore the snapshop to the VPS (a primitive form of backup/restore). I suppose one could "tweek" this snapshop (possibly even creating an entire alternative os installation). The snapshot is nothing more than a gzipped tarball (.tgz file). The primary limitation is that the guest os (your VPS) must run under Xen 3. (BTW freebsd will run under Xen 3, but that is not one of unixshell's officially supported oses.) As for my experience with them... I'm sort of new to this and can't give much guidance there. I've had an account since December and I can tell you there are vastly divergent opinions. You can look at their forums. They have definitely had some problems lately. Mainly two problems. First, they upgraded all their servers to Xen 3 which is much more efficient than Xen 2. Unfortunately, they encountered problems with the upgrades and there was significant downtime. Hopefully, that's all over with. Prior to the upgrades I believe they had a pretty good record for network and server availability. Second, they have grown astronomically and are in serious need of a new data center. They are currently preparing to bring their new data center online (if they haven't already done so, not sure). Because of their growth, there have been complaints of inadequate or slow support. Their growth is a consequence of their popularity. They offer a good product. IMHO in short order unixshell will stabilize and the two problems stated above will no longer be an issue. It all depends what you want to do with it. At the present time (June 1, 2006) I would hesitate to place a mission critical service on unixshell VPSs, but I do believe that in the near future unixshell will be ready for that sort of high availability service. It's a judgment call. (and my judgment is not necessarily the best) Hopes this helps. I really think VPS technology has huge potential. Antonio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 20:15:58 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jun 1 20:16:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy DNS question In-Reply-To: <447F79F6.3010304@rcsinc.us> References: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> <447F79F6.3010304@rcsinc.us> Message-ID: <277020fc0606011815x4885b9fbx397bc221f2e62f62@mail.gmail.com> On 6/1/06, Vinny Huckaba wrote: > Modify your hosts file for IP and hostname > > Look in your sendmail.cf and find this line. > > ----- > # Alias for this host > Cw localhost rcsinc.us > ----- thats what I was looking for - thanks! From j at jvpappas.net Fri Jun 2 08:58:18 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Jun 2 08:58:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: <447F767D.4060003@gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> <447F4641.8040901@satx.rr.com> <447F767D.4060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149256698.9147.70.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 18:21 -0500, Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Channing wrote: > > Sean Carolan wrote: > >> I have read that ". . . syslogd has no facility to split log messages > >> from different hosts to different files." > >> > >> I would rather have all the logfiles in one place, however the > >> prospect of merging them all into /var/log/messages is not so > >> palatable. I guess the right software could filter the file so you > >> only saw what you wanted to at any given point in time. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Sean > > Hi Sean, > > > > I don't know how much help this will be but I think you have a couple > > of options depending on your resources: > > > > 1. syslog can be directed to a pipe as it's output (instead of a > > file). You could then write a perl/bash/python/(good grief) tool that > > parsed out the input and wrote the logs based on the hostname field. > > 2. checkout syslog-ng. It's worlds ahead of the traditional > > syslogd, I just don't know off the top of my head how easy writing > > rules for what you want to do really is. > > > > HTH, > > Channing > > > > > > > Check out syslog-ng writing rules for it is very simple and straight > forwards. You can filter many different ways. An example I filter > anytime someone access TFTP to it's own file so I can see when a change > has been mad to one of my Xyplexes, also I forwards all my xyplex > servers to log to one linux box where based up ip address i create > folders for each. > > Zeb FWIW: http://samlin2004.myweb.hinet.net/docs/log/syslog-ngInstallationGuide.htm Describes using a central syslog-ng with mysql storage. Once in mysql, mining that data is much easier! From j at jvpappas.net Fri Jun 2 09:13:51 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Jun 2 09:13:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] VPS (old DNS zone file and setting up) In-Reply-To: <20060602003739.92601.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060602003739.92601.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1149257631.9147.80.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> I use VMWare GSX server on top of a stripped down SUSE install (Basically a poor-man's VMWare ESX) to provide my VPS systems, but I am not familiar with how XEN works, particularly how it manages VPN memory and storage. On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 17:37 -0700, Antonio wrote: > "Sean Carolan" wrote: > > > I just checked out unixshell.com - very cool! > > How has your experience been with them? > > Can you really just reinstall your OS > > any time you want? > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Yeah, unixshell is cool. And you can reinstall your os > at will. You have full root access to the VPS. > Currently supported oses include: > > CentOS (RedHat Enterprise rebuild) > Debian (woody/testing/unstable branches) > Gentoo > Fedora Core > Mandrake > Mandriva > Slackware > Ubuntu > > I believe that if you have a special need for an os > that they don't officially support, you can get them > to assist you with the installion (for a fee, of > course; but don't quote me here, check with > unixshell). They also provide the ability to take a > snapshot of the VPS and download it, then to restore > the snapshop to the VPS (a primitive form of > backup/restore). I suppose one could "tweek" this > snapshop (possibly even creating an entire alternative > os installation). The snapshot is nothing more than a > gzipped tarball (.tgz file). The primary limitation is > that the guest os (your VPS) must run under Xen 3. > (BTW freebsd will run under Xen 3, but that is not one > of unixshell's officially supported oses.) > > As for my experience with them... I'm sort of new to > this and can't give much guidance there. I've had an > account since December and I can tell you there are > vastly divergent opinions. You can look at their > forums. They have definitely had some problems lately. > Mainly two problems. > > First, they upgraded all their servers to Xen 3 which > is much more efficient than Xen 2. Unfortunately, they > encountered problems with the upgrades and there was > significant downtime. Hopefully, that's all over with. > Prior to the upgrades I believe they had a pretty good > record for network and server availability. > > Second, they have grown astronomically and are in > serious need of a new data center. They are currently > preparing to bring their new data center online (if > they haven't already done so, not sure). Because of > their growth, there have been complaints of inadequate > or slow support. Their growth is a consequence of > their popularity. They offer a good product. > > IMHO in short order unixshell will stabilize and the > two problems stated above will no longer be an issue. > It all depends what you want to do with it. At the > present time (June 1, 2006) I would hesitate to place > a mission critical service on unixshell VPSs, but I do > believe that in the near future unixshell will be > ready for that sort of high availability service. It's > a judgment call. (and my judgment is not necessarily > the best) > > Hopes this helps. I really think VPS technology has > huge potential. > > Antonio > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 09:17:23 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jun 2 09:17:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy DNS question In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606011815x4885b9fbx397bc221f2e62f62@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> <447F79F6.3010304@rcsinc.us> <277020fc0606011815x4885b9fbx397bc221f2e62f62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606020717k59b65661p925593f9ecde72f6@mail.gmail.com> > > Modify your hosts file for IP and hostname > > > > Look in your sendmail.cf and find this line. > > > > ----- > > # Alias for this host > > Cw localhost rcsinc.us > > ----- > Vinny: I did as you said above, added the host to the 'hosts' file, and edited sendmail.cf, restarted sendmail but i'm still getting mail from root@premium.geo.akadns.net. Here is part of the mail header - domain names and IP addresses have been changed to protect the innocent: Return-Path: Received: from myhost.mydomain.com (myhost.mydomain.com [192.168.1.**]) by stegosaurus.mydomain.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52EEL8R012971 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:14:21 -0500 From solinym at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 10:21:23 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Jun 2 10:21:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For plenty of info and tools on syslog and its relatives, see: http://www.loganalysis.org/ FWIW, I find it useful to pool everything (and I mean everything, *.*) to one log file, and also to have log files broken out by facility/alert levels. Yes, you can easily post-process to seperate by hostname, since the hostname is the fourth field, unless you used -n to avoid the PTR query on every record. Disk space is cheap... slice it up however you want. Undoubtedly, if you progress down the path of logfile analysis, you will be coming up with new ways to process the logfiles for some time. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jun 2 10:38:12 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jun 2 10:38:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44805B64.7070604@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Sean Carolan wrote: > I have read that ". . . syslogd has no facility to split log messages > from different hosts to different files." > > I would rather have all the logfiles in one place, however the > prospect of merging them all into /var/log/messages is not so > palatable. I guess the right software could filter the file so you > only saw what you wanted to at any given point in time. > I use metalog. Which will do a /var/log/everything and log rotation and all sorts of fun stuff. :) * Per program * Per regular expression * multiple rule matching - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRIBbZMnf+vRw63ObAQr6Hwv8DMb3r6kdNOWftppuvDAMQJ2AMImawT6x D/cGYA524qD3XO28OSG7yvpEshmzvz/UjM5/2LzSy40gjoiwbmbEMRjkYSCzE500 hxEAKG7mzXnlBX6U3FulpwYhU92uuT0bCVwa0tzY/8b3lDSp3aJN7Yo2+G5FWq2A ksKKSl/9CU14quRyejlMJ/eQYrAdHWppK12lUAGr1eFEe0j4f2PA9spKuaoxrivj zGz81p+hs1HwQYZuGC5a7HLF0/vj+15xUdihPrwVBwpyVUz+SKI50pSXjUg8Xrvc g2BW8bPlBcpS7/BrNSsnsXNa/GJdPsd1jIO7CnxVVwFRCpt55v61Fbcm3ZKbJTaU 0sQBhsBs+egcTDRQyAR7aK5c81p0T6d6ew5BB6vVsSZkQqAq1kyMmpzz/fdiRwrY tfsfE2Tv2Kv8KNvcLxvwkSsPXsg6olkWStRgTC9K3BWXWQ5nxiTfOanG3ot0eyHI J1Joyln6rdlL6qEqvOWAoYgpcOXzTkNO =GZtO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hapihakr at yahoo.com Fri Jun 2 14:30:27 2006 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Fri Jun 2 14:30:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] VPS (old DNS zone file and setting up) Message-ID: <20060602193027.69647.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com> Xen is much more efficient. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/performance.html It's the rave of the VM industry. In fact Intel has embedded the technology into some of their newer chips so oses can be virtualized out of the box (not modification needed, this would include winblows). http://www.xensource.com/news/pr082305.html -----excerpt from article----- DRILLING DOWN To run an unmodified OS outside Ring 0, the hypervisor must intercept the forbidden instructions and emulate them. This is the approach taken by VMware, as well as by Windows XP's own emulation of DOS. The disadvantage is that emulation can use a lot of computing power--not a problem for the occasional application written to run on DOS-era hardware, but a significant one for an entire OS that takes full advantage of a modern PC. To assist virtualization, VT and Pacifica insert a new privilege level beneath Ring 0. Both add nine new machine code instructions that only work at "Ring -1," intended to be used by the hypervisor. This way the OS doesn't have to be modified, and the performance penalty from emulation is reduced. However, it isn't eliminated completely: Each OS must be convinced that it alone has access to the machine's memory and I/O buses, while the hypervisor juggles access to the real devices to ensure that programs and data can't leak between OSs. -----end of excerpt from article----- http://www.itarchitectmag.com/shared/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=172302134 Also: Xen and the new processors (May 2, 2006) http://lwn.net/Articles/182080/ REPRINTED as Virtualization in Xen 3.0 with updates in Linux Journal #147 (July 2006) http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8909 [I haven't read this one yet] Intel Backs VMware, Microsoft But Xen Celebrates at IDF (March 07, 2006) http://www.channelweb.com/sections/allnews/article.jhtml?articleId=181501740 Xen founders tackle Windows virtualization (April 3, 2006) http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1178116,00.html It's exciting technology. Antonio "John Pappas" wrote: > > I use VMWare GSX server on top of a stripped down > SUSE install (Basically a poor-man's VMWare ESX) > to provide my VPS systems, but I am not familiar > with how XEN works, particularly how it manages > VPN memory and storage. > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 17:37 -0700, Antonio wrote: > > "Sean Carolan" wrote: > > > > > I just checked out unixshell.com - very cool! > > > How has your experience been with them? > > > Can you really just reinstall your OS > > > any time you want? > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Yeah, unixshell is cool. And you can reinstall your os > > at will. You have full root access to the VPS. > > Currently supported oses include: > > > > CentOS (RedHat Enterprise rebuild) > > Debian (woody/testing/unstable branches) > > Gentoo > > Fedora Core > > Mandrake > > Mandriva > > Slackware > > Ubuntu > > > > I believe that if you have a special need for an os > > that they don't officially support, you can get them > > to assist you with the installion (for a fee, of > > course; but don't quote me here, check with > > unixshell). They also provide the ability to take a > > snapshot of the VPS and download it, then to restore > > the snapshop to the VPS (a primitive form of > > backup/restore). I suppose one could "tweek" this > > snapshop (possibly even creating an entire alternative > > os installation). The snapshot is nothing more than a > > gzipped tarball (.tgz file). The primary limitation is > > that the guest os (your VPS) must run under Xen 3. > > (BTW freebsd will run under Xen 3, but that is not one > > of unixshell's officially supported oses.) > > > As for my experience with them... I'm sort of new to > > this and can't give much guidance there. I've had an > > account since December and I can tell you there are > > vastly divergent opinions. You can look at their > > forums. They have definitely had some problems lately. > > Mainly two problems. > > > > First, they upgraded all their servers to Xen 3 which > > is much more efficient than Xen 2. Unfortunately, they > > encountered problems with the upgrades and there was > > significant downtime. Hopefully, that's all over with. > > Prior to the upgrades I believe they had a pretty good > > record for network and server availability. > > > Second, they have grown astronomically and are in > > serious need of a new data center. They are currently > > preparing to bring their new data center online (if > > they haven't already done so, not sure). Because of > > their growth, there have been complaints of inadequate > > or slow support. Their growth is a consequence of > > their popularity. They offer a good product. > > > IMHO in short order unixshell will stabilize and the > > two problems stated above will no longer be an issue. > > It all depends what you want to do with it. At the > > present time (June 1, 2006) I would hesitate to place > > a mission critical service on unixshell VPSs, but I do > > believe that in the near future unixshell will be > > ready for that sort of high availability service. It's > > a judgment call. (and my judgment is not necessarily > > the best) > > > > Hopes this helps. I really think VPS technology has > > huge potential. > > > > Antonio > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hapihakr at yahoo.com Fri Jun 2 14:53:48 2006 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Fri Jun 2 14:53:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] VPS (old DNS zone file and setting up) Message-ID: <20060602195348.99516.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> I previously wrote: > Xen and the new processors (May 2, 2006) > http://lwn.net/Articles/182080/ > REPRINTED as Virtualization in Xen 3.0 with updates > in Linux Journal #147 (July 2006) > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8909 > [I haven't read this one yet] Oops! These are completely different articles by the same author, Rami Rosen, and with the same ORIGINAL (?)publication dates (March 2, 2006) [I think?] I noticed the same author, same dates, and LJ's editorial comment "Editor's Note: This article has been updated since its original posting." I just assumed (ass-u-me-d) that it was the same article. Well, at least I did state I had not yet read it. That's in the July 2006 issue of Linux Journal. Hell, I'll bet it hasn't even hit the mailboxes yet. Antonio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From solinym at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 15:08:17 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:08:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Java In-Reply-To: <4154519d0605311229ia88fe3fu85cc8f19d8c08223@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d0605311229ia88fe3fu85cc8f19d8c08223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >From what I understand, based on network/system ops guys who support it, anything the Sun JVM is asking for problems, and even the Sun JVM is resource-intensive and needs kicks now and again to get it restarted. From an operational perspective, they were very negative about it. Which is too bad, because it has some neat ideas (most of them borrowed from Smalltalk or LISP), and the idea of getting away from the x86 architecture is appealing once you really get to know x86. With jit compilation, you get nearly C speed with type-safety and array-safe bounds checking. I think java has a lot of stuff going for it, I hope the implementation catches up with the promise! -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From realmcking at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 15:09:05 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:09:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: <44805B64.7070604@shlrm.org> References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> <44805B64.7070604@shlrm.org> Message-ID: Splunk is awesome, but we generate more log data in one day (on the systems that it would be useful to monitor with splunk) than the free version allows, and the $ version is too $$$ for us right now. On 6/2/06, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Sean Carolan wrote: > > I have read that ". . . syslogd has no facility to split log messages > > from different hosts to different files." > > > > I would rather have all the logfiles in one place, however the > > prospect of merging them all into /var/log/messages is not so > > palatable. I guess the right software could filter the file so you > > only saw what you wanted to at any given point in time. > > > > I use metalog. Which will do a /var/log/everything and log rotation and > all sorts of fun stuff. :) > > * Per program > * Per regular expression > * multiple rule matching > > - -- > David Kowis > > ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org > Source Mage GNU/Linux > > Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to > find easier ways to do something. > - Robert Heinlein > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > > iQGVAwUBRIBbZMnf+vRw63ObAQr6Hwv8DMb3r6kdNOWftppuvDAMQJ2AMImawT6x > D/cGYA524qD3XO28OSG7yvpEshmzvz/UjM5/2LzSy40gjoiwbmbEMRjkYSCzE500 > hxEAKG7mzXnlBX6U3FulpwYhU92uuT0bCVwa0tzY/8b3lDSp3aJN7Yo2+G5FWq2A > ksKKSl/9CU14quRyejlMJ/eQYrAdHWppK12lUAGr1eFEe0j4f2PA9spKuaoxrivj > zGz81p+hs1HwQYZuGC5a7HLF0/vj+15xUdihPrwVBwpyVUz+SKI50pSXjUg8Xrvc > g2BW8bPlBcpS7/BrNSsnsXNa/GJdPsd1jIO7CnxVVwFRCpt55v61Fbcm3ZKbJTaU > 0sQBhsBs+egcTDRQyAR7aK5c81p0T6d6ew5BB6vVsSZkQqAq1kyMmpzz/fdiRwrY > tfsfE2Tv2Kv8KNvcLxvwkSsPXsg6olkWStRgTC9K3BWXWQ5nxiTfOanG3ot0eyHI > J1Joyln6rdlL6qEqvOWAoYgpcOXzTkNO > =GZtO > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From solinym at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 15:14:05 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:14:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Home/SOHO NAS projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/29/06, Robert Pearson wrote: > Would it be better to buy 6x 200GB drives @ $59 ea. > (total=$354) and create a 1.2TB (raw) LUN using > RAID 1+0 (10)? RAID 5? RAID 6? > ---OR--- > Buy 2x 500GB drives @ $189 ea. (total=$378) and > create a 1.0TB (raw) LUN using RAID 1+0 (10)? > RAID 5? RAID 6? Splurge, get 3 drives as large as you can afford, and run RAID 5. The overhead/redundancy isn't as high as RAID 1. RAID 0 has no failure tolerance by itself, which is why it's often combined with RAID 1. With 5 on 3 drives you get 50% overhead, and that buys you tolerance for single-drive failure. Of course that doesn't stop you from removing the wrong files, or a software failure or kernel panic destroying data. So backups, or at least filesystem snapshots, are in order. While you will get better system-to-platter speeds by a spindle-locked system with many homogeneous drives, you will also experience more failures as a consequence of all the moving parts. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jun 2 15:39:54 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:40:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Home/SOHO NAS projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4480A21A.1000700@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Travis H. wrote: > On 5/29/06, Robert Pearson wrote: >> Would it be better to buy 6x 200GB drives @ $59 ea. >> (total=$354) and create a 1.2TB (raw) LUN using >> RAID 1+0 (10)? RAID 5? RAID 6? >> ---OR--- >> Buy 2x 500GB drives @ $189 ea. (total=$378) and >> create a 1.0TB (raw) LUN using RAID 1+0 (10)? >> RAID 5? RAID 6? > > Splurge, get 3 drives as large as you can afford, and run RAID 5. > The overhead/redundancy isn't as high as RAID 1. > RAID 0 has no failure tolerance by itself, which is why it's often > combined with RAID 1. > With 5 on 3 drives you get 50% overhead, and that buys you tolerance > for single-drive failure. Of course that doesn't stop you from > removing the wrong files, or a software failure or kernel panic > destroying data. So backups, or at least filesystem snapshots, are in > order. RAID6 gives you 2 disks worth of redundancy. I think you can do it with 3 drives, but you sacrifice more space.... - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRICiGcnf+vRw63ObAQpyiwwArrU+6CUqAMQI+xPE5kXPJw6rMkOzRLlI L2yp4g+h9fDCFzzM0JHLrxk9caHVuiZs67ah3tDbw96HmZApeCYgrUpFI4EmNc/t N3LE6LXxxoGjzIPS1U+xa/1JtbJIQV1nsmOppDh2PHt9GL9VwSQUACjZjnmR4Nnj pdrOyX1mrnBO/VjY/Y1DSY4nWh7lnT+wseFzhBdp6Wid7HUZdb4tZ38hJJ2p6AZU qrqSBqTKcHbh6npifeMbJLlIBGUHKU9aM7gfCmrP2vpW8Xfew3JFD4uCj5bOFAkG elfxMpRvZXMiBT2GOT860oXmhM8GKHkyBB5tncCpOE6HPB073MaAHoSt2c/id9Nz 9b4E6blFIuIUdVRJungXrqZ1O4moU2kT5K2Sw3uOSOSrvrKsClenrIlw++yMB365 S+MP66zRSkI0uEadMj/koWroL15+QTKhP7bInDee8KQhKUvJWxAVok4G3ox+kOX+ g3gGNKFY+uP5uJ+KBNKoTpcg+6BFbLce =7nr4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 15:51:50 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:51:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> <44805B64.7070604@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0606021351m7dac50acgfedf2fae0011deb2@mail.gmail.com> On 6/2/06, Mark McCoy wrote: > Splunk is awesome, but we generate more log data in one day (on the > systems that it would be useful to monitor with splunk) than the free > version allows, and the $ version is too $$$ for us right now. I installed splunk but quickly realized it was overkill for our situation! We only have one server and about 14 or 15 Linux desktop machines. Splunk is pretty CPU intensive, so I figured no need to eat up 80% of our CPU cycles just to watch spamassassin consuming spam emails all day. We'll stick with grep for the time being. . . :) From hapihakr at yahoo.com Fri Jun 2 16:17:24 2006 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Fri Jun 2 16:17:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] VPS (old DNS zone file and setting up) Message-ID: <20060602211724.5130.qmail@web80607.mail.yahoo.com> Ok. Sorry for the careless postings. "Virtualization in Xen 3.0" by Rami Rosen is not in the July 2006 issue of Linux Journal, but appears to have been an online publication only and was posted March 2, 2006. What confused me was that Linux Journal has the cover of their July 2006 issue next to the article at the top of the page. :\ Still a good article (and Linux Journal an excellent magazine). http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8909 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 16:52:13 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jun 2 16:52:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Java In-Reply-To: References: <4154519d0605311229ia88fe3fu85cc8f19d8c08223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/2/06, Travis H. wrote: > >From what I understand, based on network/system ops guys who support > it, anything the Sun JVM is asking for problems, and even the Sun JVM > is resource-intensive and needs kicks now and again to get it > restarted. From an operational perspective, they were very negative > about it. Which is too bad, because it has some neat ideas (most of > them borrowed from Smalltalk or LISP), and the idea of getting away > from the x86 architecture is appealing once you really get to know > x86. With jit compilation, you get nearly C speed with type-safety > and array-safe bounds checking. I think java has a lot of stuff going > for it, I hope the implementation catches up with the promise! True! True! So True... So Sun is laying off people to deal with the problem? {:-;) As more and more bright young people really get involved in Web Application Framework use, Thank God!, they are finding a lot missing. The really bright aggressive ones are "doing their own thing" within acceptable limits. Don't "Roll Your Own" but don't get trapped in a JVM only solution. Somewhere I have a URL discussing the Strategic differences between the JVM "single inheritance model" and the "multiple inheritance model" of other Web Application Frameworks. The author thought this was a big deal. Since I'm more of an Information guy than a programmer it is interesting to note how "out of date" the Wikipedia Web Application Frameworks page is. <> Hopefully the really bright guy who did it the page the first time will find time to update it. Any volunteers? When I first worked with Java, the language, we used it to resolve legacy code and portability issues. Neither of those are key issues anymore. The "Big Iron" vendors still market "product differentiation" better than "process integration", especially across platforms. If Xwindows had received as much attention toward building a really robust Xserver as Java has for Web Application Frameworks it would have been really tough for Microsoft to market Windows. OS2 was a better Windows than Windows. Still is. We might all be happy as clams driving our Vega's and Pintos to work, sitting down, turning on our Lava Lamp, firing up our Amiga's and Getting It On! =:-) From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 17:00:13 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jun 2 17:00:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606021351m7dac50acgfedf2fae0011deb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> <44805B64.7070604@shlrm.org> <277020fc0606021351m7dac50acgfedf2fae0011deb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/2/06, Sean Carolan wrote: > On 6/2/06, Mark McCoy wrote: > > Splunk is awesome, but we generate more log data in one day (on the > > systems that it would be useful to monitor with splunk) than the free > > version allows, and the $ version is too $$$ for us right now. > > I installed splunk but quickly realized it was overkill for our > situation! We only have one server and about 14 or 15 Linux desktop > machines. Splunk is pretty CPU intensive, so I figured no need to eat > up 80% of our CPU cycles just to watch spamassassin consuming spam > emails all day. > > We'll stick with grep for the time being. . . :) Great feedback! Thanks. From cnystrom at newio.org Sat Jun 3 00:16:59 2006 From: cnystrom at newio.org (Chris Nystrom) Date: Sat Jun 3 00:17:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Java In-Reply-To: References: <4154519d0605311229ia88fe3fu85cc8f19d8c08223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7295d5d0606022216u4b644164h87f35434f0b2fbb7@mail.gmail.com> On 5/31/06, Robert Pearson wrote: > *** and your own Chris Nystrom with NewI/O: > <> > NewI\O Blog > <> > Developers Blog > <> > > Very interesting... I agree with Chris' statement for: > > "NewI/O Project Justification > A web browser is basically an Internet Document Browser (or IDB). It > was not designed to run programs across the Internet. For example, it > does not keep track of program state (Read the NewI\O Blog for > technical discussions about the current state of the art). Existing > systems appear to me to be kludges to get the document browser to do > something for which it was not designed. > What we need is a browser designed from the ground up to run programs > across the Internet. What we need is an Internet Application Browser > (IAB). > We need something with the remote display capabilities like X-Windows, > but with additional multi-media capabilities, wrapped in something > with the ease of use of a web browser. Thank you for the reference Robert. Since the discussion has turned to DB front ends, I would like to point out that NewI\O apps are standard C so it would be easy to use NewI\O for a DB front end. It would probably not be difficult to wrap the NewI\O library in another language if that is needed. Shortly, I expect to start adding cairo (http://www.cairographics.org) to the rendering which should allow for very attractive front ends, much easier and straightforward to program for than the web, but with all of the advantages. Hopefully I will be able to give all of you a good demo at Open Source Fest in July. Chris -- E-Mail: Chris Nystrom http://www.newio.org/ AIM: nystromchris From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 3 23:14:16 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sat Jun 3 23:14:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] solaris Message-ID: <20060604041416.78380.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I want to download and install Solaris. Then I can try testing the security on it and my linux box to see which one has the better security. Is this the right webpage? http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp Which boxes should I choose? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cnystrom at newio.org Sun Jun 4 00:38:51 2006 From: cnystrom at newio.org (Chris Nystrom) Date: Sun Jun 4 00:38:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: LFTP problem - keeps stalling out In-Reply-To: <277020fc0605300922j53332888j67f71f0916fdca5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0605300537n717048d5i4e3d6910919c0b@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0605300844l17b7fcfbw7bfc821fb309a148@mail.gmail.com> <447C6A69.3020409@satx.rr.com> <277020fc0605300922j53332888j67f71f0916fdca5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7295d5d0606032238s6da96907obcbb07176380e740@mail.gmail.com> On 5/30/06, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Would wget(1) work? > > I don't think wget can "put" files to a remote FTP server. IN other > words, I have ssh access to server #1, and ONLY FTP access to server > #2. I need to move all the files from server #1 to server #2, and the > only way to get the files onto server 2 is via FTP. How about wput ? http://wput.sourceforge.net/ Chris -- E-Mail: Chris Nystrom http://www.newio.org/ AIM: nystromchris From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 08:06:12 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 4 08:06:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy DNS question In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606020717k59b65661p925593f9ecde72f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> <447F79F6.3010304@rcsinc.us> <277020fc0606011815x4885b9fbx397bc221f2e62f62@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0606020717k59b65661p925593f9ecde72f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Free advice: Ditch sendmail, install postfix -- it's 10x easier to configure and infinitely more secure. I am gradually eradicating sendmail on every machine I own. The author of sendmail has basically said that he can't guarantee the security, and has asked for people to audit it, but basically it's a lost cause because security can't be bolted on later. By contrast, postfix was written by a security expert with security in mind, and is much more modular. Sendmail is so complex most people use the m4 preprocessor and macros to create .cf files. Postfix needs nothing of the sort. For most installations, it works right out of the box with no configuration whatsoever. And it's command-line compatible with sendmail, so everything will continue to work. Sendmail only processes the queue periodically (last time I checked). Postfix will deliver mail instantly if it can. And so forth. If you run into any snags, let me know. If you want help on your mail problem, it's not clear if you're talking about envelope headers, the From: header, Return-Path, Received, or what. Make sure that you have "files" consulted before "bind" in /etc/nsswitch.conf -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 08:22:01 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 4 08:22:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] proper way for getting & compiling source on FC5 Message-ID: Hey, Suppose I downloaded the latest kernel 2.6.16 from kernel.org; will this be the same source as was used to build the rpm above? What does the -1.2122 mean? Now, yet another question; supposing I have the nvidia kmods installed for a particular kernel version, how would I go about getting them for a kernel that I compile anew? I've tried copying .ko files from one subdir of /lib/modules to another but that doesn't usually work due to version mismatches. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 08:59:43 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jun 4 08:59:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Message-ID: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> I just installed Ubuntu 6.06 on my wife's old computer. I used to use Debian a few years back but switched to primarily using Fedora since that's what we use at my workplace. So I was interested to see how Ubuntu had evolved or changed things from the basic Debian distro. Here are just a few initial impressions, feel free to add or comment on your Ubuntu experience in this thread. The install CD doubles as a 'live cd' so you can use it as a rescue disc or what not. The tradeoff is that the initial boot from CD takes a long time because it has to do all it's hardware detection and setup just like a Knoppix disc would. The upside is you don't have to have a separate disc for your live CD distro. Once it's booted into a GNOME desktop, there's an icon on the desktop you double-click to install Ubuntu. Since I don't have an extra monitor, keyboard and mouse I borrowed the ones from my primary computer. Hence the initial goals were to get a working installation with networking and sshd running so I can continue to manage it over the network. The first hurdle would be networking. This particular computer has no ethernet card, just a Netgear USB wifi adapter. I thought for sure it would not work, or would require extensive hacking at kernel modules or wrappers, putting windows drivers on a floppy, etc. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the Ubuntu got the wifi working with no problems, right out of the box! This is the same wifi card that took me 2.5 hours to install when this machine was running Windows. Simply amazing. The initial setup has no password for the root account, but the first user account created gets 'sudo' privileges, similar to how Mac OSX does things. Since I'm rather accustomed to using sudo for most administrative tasks this was not a problem. I fired up 'synaptic' and found my ssh package, checked the box and within a few minutes SSH server and client were installed and running. I then powered down, unplugged the monitor and keyboard and have the computer sitting in the other room, accessible via the wlan connection. Now that I'm back to command line, I brushed up a bit on the apt system and found the rest of the packages I wanted to install. Getting the web server up and running was easy as "apt-get install apache2". apt is much faster than yum for searching for new packages, as it stores a long list of everything available on the repository in it's local cache. Why can't yum do this? Every time I fire up "yum search foo" on my Fedora laptop, it takes 2-3 minutes to query the repositories for more info. Overall it was the smoothest operating system installation I have ever experienced. Kudos to the Ubuntu developers for putting out such a smooth package. thanks Sean -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 09:12:19 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Jun 4 09:12:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] SuSE 10 & PCI wifi In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060604141219.63346.qmail@web54315.mail.yahoo.com> I ended up finding a post by Tom Weeks about a ConnectGear WP440G about it working under Linux... well it does.. its $36 at Altex.. here is a good writeup on how to get it running out of the box under SuSE 10.. http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=SuSE_10:_Using_a_RT61_Wi-Fi_Card link to the card: http://www.altex.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_18_87&products_id=4703 -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 09:17:52 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 4 09:17:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/1/06, Robert Pearson wrote: > Think in terms of Event Management. I know it sounds like > overkill but it is a "scalable" process. Starting small but with > the "Right Stuff" will pay big dividends down the road. Can you delve into the tools and possible uses a little? > scripts to sort and merge logs. We even put logs into a relational > database for quick key word event chronology scans. > This let us see quickly the last thing that changed before the > error event and the sequence of events leading up to it. > Today, ***tagging replaces the database and is better, faster and > cheaper. Can you explain what tagging is and how it works? > In the scripting method there is always the "real-time" gap > between the error event and the log-processing. Isn't that true of any system that reacts to events that isn't "in-line" with the event that it is responding to? I'll read up on the links you gave later.. just wondering if you could summarize, might save me some time (sorry, I'm being lazy) -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Sun Jun 4 09:52:03 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Jun 4 09:52:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4482F393.4010404@cox-internet.com> I switched from Debian to Ubuntu just before Hoary was released as stable, went back to Debian for a couple of months, went back to Ubuntu Hoary stable, and I am now with Ubuntu Dapper Drake, and Ubuntu just keeps getting better with each release. The only problem I see with Linux is that people are so used to having their toys (By this I mean the Windows Media Player, and all the little junk which has nothing to do with being productive, but which most people seem to demand from their systems), which they have easily in Windows, but which take some config work in Linux. I have very intelligent students who tune out when I say "Linux" because they want something which just works, rather having to tweak and adjust. Not one of them seem to realize that no windows install comes with flash or shockwave or realplayer, and those have to be installed. Hopefully Ubuntu will get to the point of installing whatever is needed to use a file, no matter what file, or what program it needs to use the file, as easily as windows does. They are on their way. Many times I have shown my repair students how to find unknown hardware with Ubuntu's live cd, but they still refuse to use it because they cannot play the currently hot games. I hope maturity will take care of this problem. Both Linux and my students. Enjoy Dapper. I am. Sean Carolan wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 6.06 on my wife's old computer. I used to use > Debian a few years back but switched to primarily using Fedora since > that's what we use at my workplace. So I was interested to see how > Ubuntu had evolved or changed things from the basic Debian distro. > Here are just a few initial impressions, feel free to add or comment > on your Ubuntu experience in this thread. > > The install CD doubles as a 'live cd' so you can use it as a rescue > disc or what not. The tradeoff is that the initial boot from CD takes > a long time because it has to do all it's hardware detection and setup > just like a Knoppix disc would. The upside is you don't have to have > a separate disc for your live CD distro. Once it's booted into a > GNOME desktop, there's an icon on the desktop you double-click to > install Ubuntu. > > Since I don't have an extra monitor, keyboard and mouse I borrowed the > ones from my primary computer. Hence the initial goals were to get a > working installation with networking and sshd running so I can > continue to manage it over the network. The first hurdle would be > networking. This particular computer has no ethernet card, just a > Netgear USB wifi adapter. I thought for sure it would not work, or > would require extensive hacking at kernel modules or wrappers, putting > windows drivers on a floppy, etc. I was pleasantly surprised to see > that the Ubuntu got the wifi working with no problems, right out of > the box! This is the same wifi card that took me 2.5 hours to install > when this machine was running Windows. Simply amazing. > > The initial setup has no password for the root account, but the first > user account created gets 'sudo' privileges, similar to how Mac OSX > does things. Since I'm rather accustomed to using sudo for most > administrative tasks this was not a problem. > > I fired up 'synaptic' and found my ssh package, checked the box and > within a few minutes SSH server and client were installed and running. > I then powered down, unplugged the monitor and keyboard and have the > computer sitting in the other room, accessible via the wlan > connection. > > Now that I'm back to command line, I brushed up a bit on the apt > system and found the rest of the packages I wanted to install. > Getting the web server up and running was easy as "apt-get install > apache2". apt is much faster than yum for searching for new packages, > as it stores a long list of everything available on the repository in > it's local cache. Why can't yum do this? Every time I fire up "yum > search foo" on my Fedora laptop, it takes 2-3 minutes to query the > repositories for more info. > > Overall it was the smoothest operating system installation I have ever > experienced. Kudos to the Ubuntu developers for putting out such a > smooth package. > > thanks > > Sean > > > From benjamin.temple at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 13:20:27 2006 From: benjamin.temple at gmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Sun Jun 4 13:20:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] solaris In-Reply-To: <20060604041416.78380.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604041416.78380.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <368c881c0606041120h9c52en74359423b5b23df9@mail.gmail.com> Just click the Solaris 10 1\06 box On 6/3/06, Chris wrote: > > I want to download and install Solaris. Then I can try testing the > security on it and my linux box to see which one has the better security. Is > this the right webpage? http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp Which > boxes should I choose? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From e2eiod at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 13:38:20 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sun Jun 4 13:38:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] syslogd - separate file for each host? In-Reply-To: References: <277020fc0606011037l682c1eabvdeff4a209005935@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/4/06, Travis H. wrote: > On 6/1/06, Robert Pearson wrote: > > Think in terms of Event Management. > > Can you delve into the tools and possible uses a little? IMHO this is outside the bounds of the SATLUG mailing list but since only you and I will be reading it I will reply briefly. I must have been having a Senior moment and flashing back to the glory days of 100-1000 servers and 1000-6000+ desktops when I wrote the above. I was an Enterprise Level1 Desktop Support guy. To keep from being run ragged by server, network and other peripheral failures (like shared output devices) causing 1500 users to call in a problem unrelated to their Desktop we had to learn to be Proactive rather than Reactive, which is the normal trouble- shooting mode. Event Management is Proactive. We developed an Event Management procedure and tools for online: 1) Configuration at a Glance 2) Rapid Fault Isolation 3) Rapid Solution Deployment 4) Easy Solution Capture 5) Rapid Solution Incorporation into a Knowledge Base 6) Knowledge Base invoked by problem keyword automatically 7) Solution capture invoked automatically by Problem assignment "Rapid Fault Isolation", in this context, means to rapidly determine "Where is the problem?". Is the problem in the: 1) Desktop? 2) Network? 3) Server(s)? 4) Output Device? We had to write most of our own tools for three reasons: 1) A COTS tool did not exist 2) It was too expensive if it did exist 3) It was not easily customizable to our environment Discussing specific "point product" solutions either makes this reply much larger than it already is or gives a URL. Products already mentioned with URLs are syslog-ng and Splunk. You can be Proactive with one server and 14-15 desktops but Event Management is overkill. > > Today, ***tagging replaces the database and is better, faster and > > cheaper. > > Can you explain what tagging is and how it works? "A tag is a keyword which acts like a subject or category. A keyword is used to organize webpages and objects on the Internet. Each user "tags" a webpage or image using his/her own unique tag. An image or webpage may have multiple tags that identify it. Webpages and images with identical tags are then linked together and users may use the tag to search for similar webpages and images." "A tag cloud (more traditionally known as a weighted list in the field of visual design) is a visual depiction of content tags used on a website. Often, more frequently used tags are depicted in a larger font or otherwise emphasized, while the displayed order is generally alphabetical. Thus both finding a tag by alphabet and by popularity is possible. Selecting a single tag within a tag cloud will generally lead to a collection of items that are associated with that tag. The first widely known tag cloud appeared on Flickr, the photo sharing site. That implementation was based on Jim Flanagan's Search Referral Zeitgeist, a visualization of web site referrers. Tag clouds have also been popularised by Technorati, among others." Example websites that use Tags * Del.icio.us - A social bookmarking site that allows users to bookmark many sites and then tag them with many descriptive words allowing other people to search by those terms to find pages that other people found useful. * Gmail - A webmail site that was one of the first to allow categorization of objects using tags, known as "labels" on emails. * Flickr - A service that allows users to tag images with many specific nouns, verbs, and adjectives that describe the picture. This is then searchable. * Technorati - A weblog search engine. * Splunk Base - Splunk with tagging: <> <> <> > > In the scripting method there is always the "real-time" gap > > between the error event and the log-processing. > > Isn't that true of any system that reacts to events that isn't > "in-line" with the event that it is responding to? Yes. See "Rapid Fault Isolation" above. Even "tailing" or "grepping" the actual log when an error symptom is detected, or continuously, is not "real time". If you want "real time", and can afford it, then you must have a "Finger on the Pulse" of every device and process running and at the first flutter of the Information "Heartbeat Monitor" your Event Information is available for viewing. Scripting adds to the delay because these are typically run out of cron at intervals like every 15 minutes. Some "Events" are messier than others. Simple hardware failures versus Security breaches are an example. From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Jun 4 15:10:33 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun Jun 4 15:10:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] proper way for getting & compiling source on FC5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200606041510.35230.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 04 June 2006 08:22, "Travis H." wrote: > Hey, > > Suppose I downloaded the latest kernel 2.6.16 from kernel.org; will > this be the same source as was used to build the rpm above? What does > the -1.2122 mean? The Fedora Project includes several patches with the kernel. These can include assorted modifications and bugfixes. You can review the patches and other files related to the kernel built for Fedora Core from the Fedora Project's CVS server. http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/ If you want to modify and rebuild a kernel RPM, you can grab the SRPMs from the Fedora download servers or you can check the source out of CVS. > > Now, yet another question; supposing I have the nvidia kmods installed > for a particular kernel version, how would I go about getting them for > a kernel that I compile anew? I've tried copying .ko files from one > subdir of /lib/modules to another but that doesn't usually work due to > version mismatches. You will have to recompile any kernel modules to use them with the new build. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From contact_emon at gawab.com Sun Jun 4 15:25:20 2006 From: contact_emon at gawab.com (Emon) Date: Sun Jun 4 15:21:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Thunderbird question... Message-ID: <448341B0.9060501@gawab.com> Hi all I am newbie running Slackware10.2 with KDE desktop I am using thunderbird 1.5; my question is when people respond to my mail I see something like this at the beginning of their response On 22 May 2006, at 09:46, Emon wrote: But when I reply it shows only something like this Paul Rayner wrote: Why is that?? is there anyway I could change this to show time stamp & name?? Thanks Emon From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 15:27:02 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 4 15:27:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] proper way for getting & compiling source on FC5 In-Reply-To: <200606041510.35230.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200606041510.35230.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: On 6/4/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > If you want to modify and rebuild a kernel RPM, you can grab the SRPMs from > the Fedora download servers or you can check the source out of CVS. Aha, yumdownloader --source worked. Sort of. It downloaded source to /usr/src/kernels, but the SMP version won't compile. It runs a bit then says: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'. Stop. OTOH, rpmbuild --target=i686 -bb /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/kernel-2.6.spec seems to be doing something. > > Now, yet another question; supposing I have the nvidia kmods installed > > for a particular kernel version, how would I go about getting them for > > a kernel that I compile anew? I've tried copying .ko files from one > > subdir of /lib/modules to another but that doesn't usually work due to > > version mismatches. > > You will have to recompile any kernel modules to use them with the new build. nvidia kmods are binary-only, so what do I do about those? Is there an easy way to get the .spec files for them? -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From edcoates at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 15:49:16 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Jun 4 15:49:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Thunderbird question... In-Reply-To: <448341B0.9060501@gawab.com> References: <448341B0.9060501@gawab.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0606041349t58c19dbcj9bcf36236e39d704@mail.gmail.com> On 6/4/06, Emon wrote: > Hi all > > I am newbie running Slackware10.2 with KDE desktop > > I am using thunderbird 1.5; my question is > > when people respond to my mail I see something like this at the > beginning of their response > > > On 22 May 2006, at 09:46, Emon wrote: > > > But when I reply it shows only something like this > > > Paul Rayner wrote: > > > Why is that?? is there anyway I could change this to show time stamp & > name?? > > Thanks > Emon Emon, After a bit of searching, I came across this. Select the following: Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Config Editor In the filter, type in wrote, and modify that line. Here's a link that explains a bit more on the different lines to change. http://sillydog.org/forum/sdt_8913.php HTH, Ed From hapihakr at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 16:13:07 2006 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Sun Jun 4 16:13:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux toys and the spoiled Winblows user (was Ubuntu) Message-ID: <20060604211307.1872.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com> "Dennis Myhand" wrote: The only roblem I see with Linux is that people are so used to having their toys (By this I mean the Windows Media Player, and all the little junk which has nothing to do with being productive, but which most people seem to demand from their systems), which they have easily in Windows, but which take some config work in Linux. I have very intelligent students who tune out when I say "Linux" because they want something which just works, rather having to tweak and adjust. Not one of them seem to realize that no windows install comes with flash or shockwave or realplayer, and those have to be installed. __________________________________________________ Do you think anyone would be interested in a subscription based service that provided remote access to a Linux desktop with all the productivity and recreational software preinstalled and properly configured? This would be a thin-client/terminal server setup. Using NX technology this could be accomplished with near real time speed. In fact, if the client is wanting in processing power, but the server has ample resources, it could be better than the real time speed you would otherwise get out of the client. I've been kicking around this idea and I believe there's a market for it. I suppose my question is rhetorical. I'm just looking for feedback. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From edcoates at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 16:18:19 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Jun 4 16:18:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Thunderbird question... In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0606041349t58c19dbcj9bcf36236e39d704@mail.gmail.com> References: <448341B0.9060501@gawab.com> <8ee65edd0606041349t58c19dbcj9bcf36236e39d704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0606041418y543dc362rf6e9f17c93c5518f@mail.gmail.com> On 6/4/06, Ed Coates wrote: > On 6/4/06, Emon wrote: > Emon, > > After a bit of searching, I came across this. Select the following: > > Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Config Editor > > In the filter, type in wrote, and modify that line. Here's a link > that explains a bit more on the different lines to change. > > http://sillydog.org/forum/sdt_8913.php > > HTH, > > Ed This is a better link: http://www.holgermetzger.de/efaqmailnews.html Ed From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Jun 4 16:31:17 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun Jun 4 16:31:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] proper way for getting & compiling source on FC5 In-Reply-To: References: <200606041510.35230.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <200606041631.17788.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 04 June 2006 15:27, "Travis H." wrote: > > nvidia kmods are binary-only, so what do I do about those? > > Is there an easy way to get the .spec files for them? There is both a source and binary component. The source component must be rebuilt for each new kernel build. You'll have to get the spec from whatever repository your packages are coming from. Repositories that carry the nvidia driver in an RPM package make modifications or add scripts to get it working cleanly, so you'll want to grab the source pieces they're using, too. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 16:42:31 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 4 16:42:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux toys and the spoiled Winblows user (was Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <20060604211307.1872.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060604211307.1872.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/4/06, Antonio wrote: > I have very intelligent students who > tune out when I say "Linux" because they want > something which just works, rather having to tweak and > adjust. Then they aren't seriously interested in computers. People who want something that "just works" typically are interested in something else. Besides, the latest FC releases pretty much work out of the box, especially if you install everything. > Not one of them seem to realize that no > windows install comes with flash or shockwave or > realplayer, and those have to be installed. Last time I had to reinstall Windows, it took nearly 2 days for me to get all the software installed. I did the same feat, more or less, with Fedora Core 5, three times, in one or two days. > Do you think anyone would be interested in a > subscription based service that provided remote access > to a Linux desktop with all the productivity and > recreational software preinstalled and properly > configured? This would be a thin-client/terminal > server setup. Using NX technology this could be > accomplished with near real time speed. In fact, if > the client is wanting in processing power, but the > server has ample resources, it could be better than > the real time speed you would otherwise get out of the > client. A little while ago, I saw a "Business 2.0" article that was very interesting. The author had polled venture capitalists, and asked them what ideas _they_ wanted to see and that _they_ really had money earmarked for, and one of them was a subscription service for senior citizens where you provided the hardware and software and ISP service and gave them an easy-to-use terminal that would allow them to do the typical grandparents thing - view email, send and receive photos, etc. I thought, with some elbow grease, you could probably do that with Linux. The reason why Linux came to mind is that with Windows, those typical things require Administrator privileges and rebooting, and it's hard to give people enough power to get stuff done and yet not be able to screw up the system. On Linux however, given its multi-user nature and fine-grained access control, you can easily keep them from messing things up. And if worst comes to worst, it's trivial to rsync a "golden" filesystem image to their disk and force a reboot. Again, remote administration is no problem. IIRC, they had about $5-7M earmarked for this. Best of luck! -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:06:02 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jun 4 17:06:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] FTP backup script similar to rsync? Message-ID: <277020fc0606041506x6c9c01e0ta84f98ed13db8060@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks: Any recommended scripts or packages for creating a local miror of a website via FTP? I'm hoping to find something that works like rsync, but over ftp. In other words, it should check if any files have been added, changed or deleted on the server, and make necessary adjustments on the client side by downloading or deleting files. thanks Sean -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Sun Jun 4 17:10:29 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Jun 4 17:10:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux toys and the spoiled Winblows user (was Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: References: <20060604211307.1872.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44835A55.40808@cox-internet.com> Travis H. wrote: > On 6/4/06, Antonio wrote: >> I have very intelligent students who >> tune out when I say "Linux" because they want >> something which just works, rather having to tweak and >> adjust. > > Then they aren't seriously interested in computers. > People who want something that "just works" typically are interested > in something else. > Besides, the latest FC releases pretty much work out of the box, > especially if you install everything. BINGO! What they are interested in is their music, their games, their phones, and their friends. The class is not ever the first thing on their mind, nor is what the class is about, with a VERY, VERY, few exceptions. (WARNING, It is too close to the school year for a High School teacher to comment on these things, and I work at a really good school, and teach some of the best students in that school.) Of the three who built systems in my class, two were highly irritated that the OS did not come installed on the hard drive so they could just install the HD and go. I spent two months going over OS installs, from DOS 6.0 to FreeBSD and Solaris (I even dug out the old Mac G3 and installed MacOS 8), so I have no idea where they got the idea that the HD comes with your OS of choice. It does if you pay for that, but buying off the shelf does not include such things. > >> Not one of them seem to realize that no >> windows install comes with flash or shockwave or >> realplayer, and those have to be installed. > > Last time I had to reinstall Windows, it took nearly 2 days for me to > get all the software installed. I did the same feat, more or less, > with Fedora Core 5, three times, in one or two days. Like I told Antonio, I have a former student who is trying to get XP MCE working and it does not sound like he will in less than a week. I know what you are saying. I just wish my students would listen more. Peace, Dennis From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:29:35 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jun 4 17:29:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: FTP backup script similar to rsync? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606041506x6c9c01e0ta84f98ed13db8060@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606041506x6c9c01e0ta84f98ed13db8060@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606041529u3f21efbj72bc29cdea736520@mail.gmail.com> > > Any recommended scripts or packages for creating a local miror of a > website via FTP? > > I'm hoping to find something that works like rsync, but over ftp. In > other words, it should check if any files have been added, changed or > deleted on the server, and make necessary adjustments on the client > side by downloading or deleting files. I discovered the answer to this question about 10 minutes after posting it. ftpcopy is exactly what I was looking for. thanks Sean From hapihakr at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 18:04:59 2006 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Sun Jun 4 18:05:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux toys and the spoiled Winblows user (was Ubuntu) Message-ID: <20060604230459.13172.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com> [don't know what I did wrong, but this message was originally bounced; reposting; sorry if you see it twice] There is an NX client for Playstation 2. And of course Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. And an embedded client that can be run on true thin-client machines. Aside from the general public and/or general student population, it think this could be useful to computer science students and of course business. Assuming a broadband Internet connection, the main problem for gamers would be providing the resources required on the server. I probably would need to provide different levels of service with corresponding prices. Perhaps the more hardcore gamers would be a tough sell. Thanks for your reply. --- Dennis Myhand wrote: > Antonio wrote: > > Do you think anyone would be interested in a > > subscription based service that provided remote > access > > to a Linux desktop with all the productivity and > > recreational software preinstalled and properly > > configured? This would be a thin-client/terminal > > server setup. Using NX technology this could be > > accomplished with near real time speed. In fact, > if > > the client is wanting in processing power, but the > > server has ample resources, it could be better > than > > the real time speed you would otherwise get out of > the > > client. > > > > I've been kicking around this idea and I believe > > there's a market for it. I suppose my question is > > rhetorical. I'm just looking for feedback. > > > I think this might work in a business situation, but > I doubt it would > for the personal user. I think the main problem > which would need to be > dealt with is convincing people that it would work > at least as well as > having a full scale machine in their own home. I > saw something on /. > the other day which was a thin client the size of a > wall plug. You had > to have a server as well, but it was 64 megs video > and 64 megs memory > via flash memory. None of my students would even > consider such a system > since it does not meet the minimum requirements for > their favorite > games. The requirements for some of these games are > incredible, and > even if you have a video card which meets those > requirements, the game > still may not work if the video card is not made by > the right company. > God, the more I talk about it, the more I want to > wall myself off in a > room with machines running Linux. I have a former > student who built a > fairly strong machine in my class this year and is > now having hell > trying to install WinXP MCE. It does not recognize > the chipset or the > video card, both made by ATI. Sean had a usb wifi > device and Ubuntu > found it and set it up first thing. I don't know > your idea would work, > but I know the requirements for some games are > outlandish. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 19:05:05 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sun Jun 4 19:05:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] d-link router Message-ID: <20060605000505.97333.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a router. It works fine. It is a Linksys. I want to use another router, so that I can have some extra ports to plug more computers into the network. It is a d-link DI-514. I had the dlink plugged into my computer and nothing else. I was able to get to the setup page. I turned dhcp off. After that, I can not get to the setup page anymore. The d-link has the ip 192.168.0.1 and the Linksys has the ip 192.168.1.1. Is there some good instructions on the internet on how to do this? I tried doing a google search and looking here http://support.dlink.com/supportfaq/ but I could not find what I was looking for. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 20:21:43 2006 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Sun Jun 4 20:21:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MythTV question. Message-ID: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> I have a question for the users of MythTV. I am building my first box because I want to record the World Cup as I am will be working or sleeping when most of the games are on. My question pertains to is it possible to use the PVR-500 as it is a dual tuner to record two channels at the same time? Thanks for your time. -Caleb From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Jun 4 20:32:12 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sun Jun 4 20:32:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] d-link router In-Reply-To: <20060605000505.97333.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060605000505.97333.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200606042032.13375.wmail@wricomp.com> On Sunday 04 June 2006 19:05, Chris wrote: > I turned dhcp off. After that, I can not get to the setup page > anymore. If your computer was getting it's IP address by DHCP on the D-Link, you'll have to give your computer a static IP address in the same range before connecting again. You should not have the router being set up connected to the rest of your network until all setup is complete. Obvious question-- Why are you expanding your network by adding a router instead of a (cheaper, no setup needed) switch? --Don -- For a good time, call: sundial.cis.sac.accd.edu From hapihakr at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 21:10:11 2006 From: hapihakr at yahoo.com (Antonio) Date: Sun Jun 4 21:10:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux toys and the spoiled Message-ID: <20060605021011.66523.qmail@web80607.mail.yahoo.com> "Travis H." wrote: A little while ago, I saw a "Business 2.0" article that was very interesting. The author had polled venture capitalists, and asked them what ideas _they_ wanted to see and that _they_ really had money earmarked for, and one of them was a subscription service for senior citizens where you provided the hardware and software and ISP service and gave them an easy-to-use terminal that would allow them to do the typical grandparents thing - view email, send and receive photos, etc. I thought, with some elbow grease, you could probably do that with Linux. __________________________________________________ I hadn't considered senior citizens... or the computer illiterate (not to imply they are one and the same). That's certainly a market to consider. Thanks for your reply. Antonio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jun 4 22:03:38 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jun 4 22:03:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] How to retain one's privacy on the internet? Message-ID: <277020fc0606042003g7e20b0a6t6949154b4ee01c56@mail.gmail.com> This one's for you security folks: How can a person keep all of his Internet traffic and stored files encrypted? Assume this applies to a computer user who browses the web, sends and receives email, and has data files stored on a local disk. It is not possible to encrypt web traffic end-to-end in most cases. The second part of my question would therefore be, what's the best solution for a reliable, fast proxy server, paid or free? Privacy, speed, and high availability are concerns. thanks Sean From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Jun 4 22:46:48 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Jun 4 22:46:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MythTV question. In-Reply-To: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4483A928.50607@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Caleb Wylie wrote: > I have a question for the users of MythTV. I am building my first box > because I want to record the World Cup as I am will be working or sleeping > when most of the games are on. My question pertains to is it possible to > use the PVR-500 as it is a dual tuner to record two channels at the same > time? > Yep. http://forum.byopvr.com/dvr/index.php/topic,1854.0.html from the mythtv documentation: "The second mode of operation is where MythTV is paired with a hardware-based video encoder, such as a Matrox G200 or a Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150/250/350/500. In this mode, because the video encoding is being done by a dedicated video processor, the host CPU requirements are quite low. See the Video Capture Device section for details." "While inexpensive video-capture cards simply capture raw frames, leaving encoding to software, some higher-end cards incorporate hardware-based encoding. Using either a G200 MJPEG encoder card, or a MPEG-2 encoder card supported by the IvyTV project http://ivtvdriver.org such as the Hauppauge PVR-150/250/350/500, Avermedia M179, Hauppauge "Freestyle" or Yuan M600 cards will allow you to use dedicated hardware encoders rather than your CPU. (The PVR-350 can simultaneously be used as an output device.) Using the on-board MPEG-2 encoder greatly reduces the CPU requirements for encoding." So you're good :) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRIOpKMnf+vRw63ObAQKezgwAjzTKuajFPGjAw1LETidhMsCTAH287TiU QbjSCcG89OXKXehoiGolkk/2rgtR5hOeUrKjeWCRiabRkF3rJpIFJ1Auq3u6H4Ws vaWEgrUnmRtlvds2o/lD1K5mSz2PEIu1IXhG2iVkVkHo6dNOIhrjLyjvKH37kR5g xVDc6KcuwAhFt9wEbHiP0vWMfguiWse88HpzpLZASYGhgFcpw63TEJJSC6FqyAhW g8F0a+VlzEmy8cX1Y/3RGoo/i/QLhap4uRp8rnFKB++ZG5GE6AiVk5Mv751bR1HU l0HN3sxR4VCcyZcw4pg9HKrz7SZI94JYVk51cXsnoSFiY0In64j3Ynw6LHU/UYCU IJA5swzm7b8OmdRywz+q1SqD34bnS98L/IcShkoZrwXmUMX8jRl+5hVmNB9wDPQi 9s0m4IqJNUkzGaD4wvOmlvACvHfxpWRdvR1A0fjF53Z1Ngvw0fXzmB1KxxDYRZh+ PtTgAcbE4RuGTq+4hv2sVsjjluP3XZ2R =mo+t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Jun 4 22:54:03 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Jun 4 22:54:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] How to retain one's privacy on the internet? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606042003g7e20b0a6t6949154b4ee01c56@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606042003g7e20b0a6t6949154b4ee01c56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4483AADB.8080409@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sean Carolan wrote: > This one's for you security folks: > > How can a person keep all of his Internet traffic and stored files > encrypted? Assume this applies to a computer user who browses the > web, sends and receives email, and has data files stored on a local > disk. Encrypted files can be done with cryptsetup-luks. You can create an entire encrypted partition. And other such fancy things as hiding an encrypted image within an encrypted image, so that the second encrypted signature doesn't appear. Internet traffic isn't encrypted... except in the case of https... > > It is not possible to encrypt web traffic end-to-end in most cases. > The second part of my question would therefore be, what's the best > solution for a reliable, fast proxy server, paid or free? Privacy, > speed, and high availability are concerns. Well those aren't always available at the same time. Tor is an excellent anonymizer. However, it's for the paranoid, and not really fast. It is free (both GNU and cash) (http://tor.eff.org/). Works well and is quite secure. You can run your entire internet through it. However, again it's not really all that fast.... It's also more than a proxy server. I'll leave it up to the site to explain it more. Tor is probably the best way to be really really private for your internet browsing. Any paid for proxy is just abstracting your presence on the internet one step. Easy to log and such. - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRIOq28nf+vRw63ObAQLRxQv9E5X3sGlCP+VwQGBHuq5vjKYQ8bw1d74d Ewrb8nFAzIBSjLa0WqEQPTQXc5kaZpxv/2SKjZwOCMnAx5fOSfPVTCrpuma/MnyG 7PjH9iWiHgw97sWhCmXruD3KEK0VM03C/7lCotT2RGtykiX5LXrrLb+vYdDH3RSB 8pPi6SYSb76sP4kzMbAjmSRCYVDYCGKgT00zMpDeBYZOnWBaty+o7Re1Ieq4HGQr pBmej9k3o/NYJ2Ok5ZNxe0LQybv8NBR5zagYwGP+Nn0XI9ZDMpA6xExGm3Y9WULe E6y6G9YBYyZ5kzEDSwQh2+KrSw4PulJ8Pbltx133PiiBPyFUUkCdm5pNzDcSt29F 8+rJIVHuqgWsXij5jdel5+nCGJA2w73VO0fKihSGAfMga2S6n0YObYh1UJMqf+Xi 3RzILG3ETbOQYzoKl2iRnfTWQRF8/ePDaF68I1rTjaNAmEaFzFtak7KLlAaiq02M +obvmhNfGhBeiS+rfq1gy0JZyPy3OMwE =bxuh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 22:56:27 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sun Jun 4 22:56:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] can't create file system Message-ID: <20060605035627.93095.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was just installing the new xubuntu 6.06 for a server, and the partitioning tool has a bug. What can I do? http://www.geocities.com/good_bye300/xubuntu_error.png __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wmail at wricomp.com Mon Jun 5 00:17:36 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon Jun 5 00:17:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] can't create file system In-Reply-To: <20060605035627.93095.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060605035627.93095.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200606050017.36684.wmail@wricomp.com> On Sunday 04 June 2006 22:56, Chris wrote: > I was just installing the new xubuntu 6.06 for a server, and the partitioning tool has a bug. What can I do? There should be a partitioning tool like gparted on the live cd. (If you can't find it, try the System Rescue CD from www.sysresccd.org.) Use it to create the filesystems you want. Then Ubuntu should be able to custom install to the partitions you already built. Have you checked the Ubuntu forums (www.ubuntu.com) for more info and possible workarounds? --Don From me at josh-kerr.com Mon Jun 5 08:00:12 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Mon Jun 5 08:00:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44842ADC.1060808@josh-kerr.com> If you decide to use your Drapper box for a work station I'd recommend checking XGL. I now a lot of you guys are running SUSE and that the newest release comes with XGL but it still looks awsome! My only complaint with Drapper and the 2.6.23 kernel [I think that's the version] is that I lost wireless support on my laptop. I have a Dell Inspiron 5100 and a NetGear WG511T PC card. When I had Breezy on my box I had to unload the madwifi drivers and re-install the newer versions. From what I read on the forums, the new kernel is a little buggy with wireless. Did anyone else have a problem with wireless when they installed/upgraded to Drapper? Josh Sean Carolan wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 6.06 on my wife's old computer. I used to use > Debian a few years back but switched to primarily using Fedora since > that's what we use at my workplace. So I was interested to see how > Ubuntu had evolved or changed things from the basic Debian distro. > Here are just a few initial impressions, feel free to add or comment > on your Ubuntu experience in this thread. > > The install CD doubles as a 'live cd' so you can use it as a rescue > disc or what not. The tradeoff is that the initial boot from CD takes > a long time because it has to do all it's hardware detection and setup > just like a Knoppix disc would. The upside is you don't have to have > a separate disc for your live CD distro. Once it's booted into a > GNOME desktop, there's an icon on the desktop you double-click to > install Ubuntu. > > Since I don't have an extra monitor, keyboard and mouse I borrowed the > ones from my primary computer. Hence the initial goals were to get a > working installation with networking and sshd running so I can > continue to manage it over the network. The first hurdle would be > networking. This particular computer has no ethernet card, just a > Netgear USB wifi adapter. I thought for sure it would not work, or > would require extensive hacking at kernel modules or wrappers, putting > windows drivers on a floppy, etc. I was pleasantly surprised to see > that the Ubuntu got the wifi working with no problems, right out of > the box! This is the same wifi card that took me 2.5 hours to install > when this machine was running Windows. Simply amazing. > > The initial setup has no password for the root account, but the first > user account created gets 'sudo' privileges, similar to how Mac OSX > does things. Since I'm rather accustomed to using sudo for most > administrative tasks this was not a problem. > > I fired up 'synaptic' and found my ssh package, checked the box and > within a few minutes SSH server and client were installed and running. > I then powered down, unplugged the monitor and keyboard and have the > computer sitting in the other room, accessible via the wlan > connection. > > Now that I'm back to command line, I brushed up a bit on the apt > system and found the rest of the packages I wanted to install. > Getting the web server up and running was easy as "apt-get install > apache2". apt is much faster than yum for searching for new packages, > as it stores a long list of everything available on the repository in > it's local cache. Why can't yum do this? Every time I fire up "yum > search foo" on my Fedora laptop, it takes 2-3 minutes to query the > repositories for more info. > > Overall it was the smoothest operating system installation I have ever > experienced. Kudos to the Ubuntu developers for putting out such a > smooth package. > > thanks > > Sean > > > From realmcking at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 08:29:43 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Mon Jun 5 08:29:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/4/06, Sean Carolan wrote: > Now that I'm back to command line, I brushed up a bit on the apt > system and found the rest of the packages I wanted to install. > Getting the web server up and running was easy as "apt-get install > apache2". apt is much faster than yum for searching for new packages, > as it stores a long list of everything available on the repository in > it's local cache. Why can't yum do this? Every time I fire up "yum > search foo" on my Fedora laptop, it takes 2-3 minutes to query the > repositories for more info. yum is one of the main reasons that I don't like Fedora. It's a little thing, but very annoying... -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From realmcking at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 08:40:05 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Mon Jun 5 08:40:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] solaris In-Reply-To: <20060604041416.78380.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604041416.78380.qmail@web32011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/3/06, Chris wrote: > I want to download and install Solaris. Then I can try testing the security on it and my linux box to see which one has the better security. Is this the right webpage? http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp Which boxes should I choose? You can just select the Solaris 10 (1/06 version for x86) and download it. You may have to create a Sun online account before it will let you download anything. >From a security standpoint, out of the box Solaris 10 is not secure at all. You will have to turn off a lot of unneeded services. If you do an "install everything" installation (which most people do), all of the old favorites like telnet, finger and others are running. You will also have to turn on the firewall (ipfilter, which is what OpenBSD uses, is very sweet). I recommend installing with the network cable unplugged until you turn on the firewall. If you haven't had any previous Solaris experience, be prepared for a learning curve, but not as steep as one from a Windows environment to a Unix one. Feel free to email me off list with questions!! I can also send you a basic ipf.conf with a default deny stance for the firewall. Let me know if you would like it. -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 09:42:36 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jun 5 09:42:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606050742q45c0988va3f4d1f8a0025699@mail.gmail.com> > yum is one of the main reasons that I don't like Fedora. It's a > little thing, but very annoying... Quite. From a user's perspective, it's a pain to have to query a remote server every time you want to find out a packages is available in a repository. IMHO, apt-get update and apt-cache search are much more elegant and efficient than yum. From eli at then7.com Mon Jun 5 10:09:01 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Mon Jun 5 10:09:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606050742q45c0988va3f4d1f8a0025699@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0606050742q45c0988va3f4d1f8a0025699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1478.209.30.11.81.1149520141.squirrel@209.30.11.81> On Mon, June 5, 2006 9:42 am, Sean Carolan said: >> yum is one of the main reasons that I don't like Fedora. It's a >> little thing, but very annoying... > > Quite. From a user's perspective, it's a pain to have to query a > remote server every time you want to find out a packages is available > in a repository. IMHO, apt-get update and apt-cache search are much > more elegant and efficient than yum. agreed. anytime I bring up a system that's yum only, the first thing I do is yum install apt and that's the last time I run yum! =) e From satlugmail1 at rcsinc.us Mon Jun 5 10:45:05 2006 From: satlugmail1 at rcsinc.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Mon Jun 5 10:44:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy DNS question In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606020717k59b65661p925593f9ecde72f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606011010r3a514ed0u355c766e78a7e446@mail.gmail.com> <447F79F6.3010304@rcsinc.us> <277020fc0606011815x4885b9fbx397bc221f2e62f62@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0606020717k59b65661p925593f9ecde72f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44845181.3000904@rcsinc.us> Ahhh this should work... In your sendmail.cf # who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading) DMmydomain.com Vinny Sean Carolan wrote: >> > Modify your hosts file for IP and hostname >> > >> > Look in your sendmail.cf and find this line. >> > >> > ----- >> > # Alias for this host >> > Cw localhost rcsinc.us >> > ----- >> > > Vinny: > > I did as you said above, added the host to the 'hosts' file, and > edited sendmail.cf, restarted sendmail but i'm still getting mail from > root@premium.geo.akadns.net. Here is part of the mail header - domain > names and IP addresses have been changed to protect the innocent: > > > Return-Path: > Received: from myhost.mydomain.com (myhost.mydomain.com > [192.168.1.**]) by stegosaurus.mydomain.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP > id k52EEL8R012971 for ; Fri, 2 Jun > 2006 09:14:21 -0500 From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 15:27:09 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jun 5 15:27:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] d-link router In-Reply-To: <20060605000505.97333.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060605000505.97333.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/4/06, Chris wrote: dhcp off. After that, I can not get to the setup page anymore. The d-link has the ip 192.168.0.1 and the Linksys has the ip 192.168.1.1. Your netmask is probably 255.255.255.0, which means that your d-link and your computer are on seperate subnets. That is, the third octet matters, and it's different between the two. Two machines on seperate subnets cannot communicate using IP without (1) a router in between, (2) an interface alias on the computer with the proper network in it (3) maybe something else I can't remember. Solution: Change the computer to be on 192.168.1/24. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From lists at thehunter.ws Mon Jun 5 16:07:38 2006 From: lists at thehunter.ws (Jeremy Teale) Date: Mon Jun 5 16:07:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MythTV question. In-Reply-To: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <335E3862-0B82-400C-90A4-4D51B5E801BB@thehunter.ws> On Jun 4, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Caleb Wylie wrote: > I have a question for the users of MythTV. I am building my first box > because I want to record the World Cup as I am will be working or > sleeping > when most of the games are on. My question pertains to is it > possible to > use the PVR-500 as it is a dual tuner to record two channels at > the same > time? > > > Thanks for your time. > -Caleb I'm using a pvr-500 and a 250 in my mythtv setup. The PVR-500's quality isn't nearly as good as the 250. I'm using the 0.6 series ivtv drivers. There are what appear like scanlines that run down the screen on certain channels using the second tuner. Also, there are problems with channel 45, for whatever reason. My adult swim looks like crap :-( See this mailing list thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ engine? do=post_view_flat;post=28866;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;li st=ivtv I'd recommend two 250's or 150's rather than a 500 if you have the room on your motherboard. Seems that Samsung based 500's are really causing quite a few problems. From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Jun 5 17:58:25 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon Jun 5 17:58:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1478.209.30.11.81.1149520141.squirrel@209.30.11.81> References: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0606050742q45c0988va3f4d1f8a0025699@mail.gmail.com> <1478.209.30.11.81.1149520141.squirrel@209.30.11.81> Message-ID: <200606051758.27961.nman64@n-man.com> Sounds like a lot of misunderstanding to me. yum is actually pretty quick at basic operations. Current versions use caching to store metadata. The first time you use yum, it will have to build its cache, and operations that require more information will have to retrieve more data for the cache, but, once that's done, working from that cached data is quick. Also, 'yum search' is not the best way to find out if a package is available. That will search for files within packages, which makes it great if you're looking for a particular file but don't know what package it is in. It takes longer because it has to retrieve that file inventory from the repository. If you just want to see what's available in the repository, use 'yum list' instead. You can also tell yum to avoid fetching new metadata with the '-C' flag. yum did start out with a huge speed disadvantage, but it has grown beyond that and continues to advance at an incredible rate. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/yum -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From realmcking at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 18:38:36 2006 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Mon Jun 5 18:38:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200606051758.27961.nman64@n-man.com> References: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0606050742q45c0988va3f4d1f8a0025699@mail.gmail.com> <1478.209.30.11.81.1149520141.squirrel@209.30.11.81> <200606051758.27961.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: This was on a Fedora Core 5 system. It was slow and it downloaded a lot of metadata (maybe not the complete index, but a lot of files) every time I used yum (any of the yum subcommands). Also, when installing a package, instead of using its index of dependencies to know what to download, it downloaded some sort of header from each package and then downloaded the next package, checked its deps, ad nauseum. APT and pacman just feel 'right', like they are doing the right things. yum always feels like a bolted-on thing. Maybe that's just my RPM bias, though. On 6/5/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > Sounds like a lot of misunderstanding to me. yum is actually pretty quick at > basic operations. Current versions use caching to store metadata. The first > time you use yum, it will have to build its cache, and operations that > require more information will have to retrieve more data for the cache, but, > once that's done, working from that cached data is quick. Also, 'yum search' > is not the best way to find out if a package is available. That will search > for files within packages, which makes it great if you're looking for a > particular file but don't know what package it is in. It takes longer > because it has to retrieve that file inventory from the repository. If you > just want to see what's available in the repository, use 'yum list' instead. > You can also tell yum to avoid fetching new metadata with the '-C' flag. yum > did start out with a huge speed disadvantage, but it has grown beyond that > and continues to advance at an incredible rate. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/yum > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64@n-man.com > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > LinkedIn: > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > -- > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 19:08:26 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jun 5 19:08:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] How to retain one's privacy on the internet? In-Reply-To: <4483AADB.8080409@shlrm.org> References: <277020fc0606042003g7e20b0a6t6949154b4ee01c56@mail.gmail.com> <4483AADB.8080409@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0606051708j712d2105n65888c50400afa0b@mail.gmail.com> I have set up Thunderbird + Enigmail + GPG on my computer here at home. I created a key pair and have backed up my key pair and revocation certificate on an encrypted USB drive for safekeeping. Anything else security wise that I should do? I deleted the plain-text public/private key pair and rev certificate from my hard drive. thanks Sean From benjaminez at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 21:39:10 2006 From: benjaminez at gmail.com (Benjamin) Date: Mon Jun 5 21:39:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] FC5 issues with libgtk-x11 Message-ID: <3f71a0760606051939v1b5a510bhe1ea90f5d6d36795@mail.gmail.com> Hi all-- I just upgraded my box to Fedora Core 5 (thought I'd wait until school let out before I gave it a try). Everything works quite well, except that some applications seem to have problems with the libgtk-x11-2.0 library. Applications affected include Firefox, OpenOffice.org, and the Gimp. The exact error message I get goes like this: [me@box ~]$ firefox firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_object_compat_control I've Googled around, upgraded gtk2, glib, etc. . . Anyone have any ideas? From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Jun 5 22:34:02 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Jun 5 22:34:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] How to retain one's privacy on the internet? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606051708j712d2105n65888c50400afa0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606042003g7e20b0a6t6949154b4ee01c56@mail.gmail.com> <4483AADB.8080409@shlrm.org> <277020fc0606051708j712d2105n65888c50400afa0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4484F7AA.5090604@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sean Carolan wrote: > I have set up Thunderbird + Enigmail + GPG on my computer here at > home. I created a key pair and have backed up my key pair and > revocation certificate on an encrypted USB drive for safekeeping. > Anything else security wise that I should do? I deleted the > plain-text public/private key pair and rev certificate from my hard > drive. > The private key is the only one you really need to keep secure. That's why the other one is public. You have to give that one away in order to allow others to verify your signatures. Also that public key, depending on how you've generated your keys, is used for encryption to you. Your private key is the only thing that can decrypt something encrypted with your public key. I'd also reccomend reading the GNUPG user manual. It discusses best practices concerning keys for signing and encryption (which are two different, independent, but not mutually exclusive things.) The revocation cert is also a public document. It tells others that whatever key is listed is not valid anymore and shouldn't be trusted. - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRIT3qcnf+vRw63ObAQJ/cgv/RfGpa99qXICN6BknBI2wuDa4pJAzZZI6 EanTa3FSJlI4PzEzc0bdl2f2qEjnozaudNZhqHX12YcZAV3BDL+fw6p4OXIgaBXo qGe0MlKmiMS9u7jd1R5RuyTbV18oF/9j99yvTkMDsyNbyzTx30b2OtkcbH8Ga2+H 2t/U38CDwszUWDAr4G1UGwGJqX7O8wwhQx9i9iMKZk5RNhQyEvTPET9STkUNvsCX yyylZBkvNEo4z1tlDW1OZIUknDDZrom7+CwtgCTMOKui6KlpV380NUo9QrKmtNKU hlHgvmSWUyzq0VkdUXZXPtF1CBwpLwbry22qvPVsFgTTJ8BKm54oy6JBR5P3w4A1 8ML9Ha28VMo+cIKlXpft3X968ZeNBZBUYgb+9+EqltaiEZ3YVzWSuhWTLTuikaCE 6E7N+tiF5sl/NPrm3q8LlUDz+U2fc3JnmubM+oM4o2jyqNZm58cKzkip+4fIL30D cOO7uAsJMokEy4ZgZ1vkjFTm/D1vsHU/ =lbD8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Jun 5 23:28:14 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Mon Jun 5 23:27:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MythTV question. In-Reply-To: <335E3862-0B82-400C-90A4-4D51B5E801BB@thehunter.ws> References: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> <335E3862-0B82-400C-90A4-4D51B5E801BB@thehunter.ws> Message-ID: <200606052328.15616.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 05 June 2006 16:07, Jeremy Teale wrote: > I'm using a pvr-500 and a 250 in my mythtv setup. The PVR-500's > quality isn't nearly as good as the 250. I'm using the 0.6 series > ivtv drivers. There are what appear like scanlines that run down the > screen on certain channels using the second tuner. Sounds like a tuner misconfig. I run the PVR500MCE and it runs perfect. > Also, there are > problems with channel 45, for whatever reason. My adult swim looks > like crap :-( Sounds like your tuner settings are off. Do this: # grep tuner: /var/log/messages|grep "set to" /var/log/messages:May 29 21:47:41 myth kernel: tuner: type set to 57 (Philips FQ1236A MK4) by insmod option /var/log/messages:May 29 21:47:46 myth kernel: tuner: type set to 57 (Philips FQ1236A MK4) by insmod option Once you see what you need to set it to, pop it into your /etc/modules.conf: ... alias tuner tuner-ivtv alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv ## Added this to fix tuner a/v probs options ivtv tuner=57,57 # <-------------- options msp3400 once=1 simple=1 ... > I'd recommend two 250's or 150's rather than a 500 if you have the > room on your motherboard. The 500 *is* two 150s. # grep -i "pvr" /var/log/messages|grep "#" May 29 21:47:45 myth kernel: ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0 May 29 21:47:46 myth kernel: ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #1 ;) If the tuner fix isn't your problem.. also check your PCI/IRQ mappings and make sure your motherboard BIOS is flashed to the latest rev. > Seems that Samsung based 500's are really > causing quite a few problems. What tuner type are they coming up as? Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Jun 5 23:33:31 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Mon Jun 5 23:32:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MythTV question. In-Reply-To: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606052333.31473.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 04 June 2006 20:21, Caleb Wylie wrote: > I have a question for the users of MythTV. I am building my first box > because I want to record the World Cup as I am will be working or sleeping > when most of the games are on. My question pertains to is it possible to > use the PVR-500 as it is a dual tuner to record two channels at the same > time? Very nicely... The cool thing is.. not only can you watch/record two things at once.. you can even watch live TV remotely via MythTVFrontend running on another > > Thanks for your time. > -Caleb From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jun 6 00:03:50 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jun 6 00:03:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux toys and the spoiled Winblows user (was Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <20060604211307.1872.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060604211307.1872.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200606060003.50609.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 04 June 2006 16:13, Antonio wrote: > "Dennis Myhand" wrote: > > The only roblem I see with Linux is that people are so > used to having their toys (By this I mean the Windows > Media Player, and all the little junk which has > nothing to do with being productive, but which most > people seem to demand from their systems), which they > have easily in Windows, but which take some config > work in Linux. If by "just work", you mean not crash, blue screen, or ask for a CD-key when you change a network card out.. then yeah.. Linux fits the bill. ;) As for doing X, Y and Z on Linux instead of Windows -- this is usually the biggest hurdle for people wanting to "check out Linux". How do I play my music, do my IM, and get Outlook-like usability and sync it all with my Palm phone. etc... I'll be addressing these and more in a "State of the Linux Desktop" presentation at the Open Source Conference in July. One part of it will talk about Windows/Linux Equivalency Applications (which is what most "want-to-switch-ers" want to know first). > Not one of them seem to realize that no > windows install comes with flash or shockwave or > realplayer, and those have to be installed. On Linux, LiveCD distro would seem to best fit that bill.. "No tweaking required". Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jun 6 00:38:32 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jun 6 00:38:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Networking Position for a Local Networking Outfit Message-ID: <200606060038.32738.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Do not reply to me.. I'm just passing this along: -----------------------BEGIN------------------------- Network Engineer Job Description: Neopolitan Network, Inc. is opening operations in San Antonio, TX. Neopolitan offers simple and elegant solutions for delivering high-capacity Ethernet network communications. Founded in September 2001 and headquartered in Palo Alto, California; Neopolitan Networks is a leading Gigabit Ethernet network service provider. Built upon Gigabit Ethernet over fiber optic cables, Neopolitan delivers scalable, flexible networking solutions. Our range of services have been developed to support enterprise businesses, government installations and educational facilities, by delivering the most elegant, appropriate services to solve data communications problems. Neopolitan Networks uses Ethernet as a primary protocol to deliver services. Because of Ethernet's ubiquity, commoditization and ease of management, it has become the architecture of choice for building networks. By focusing on solving the problems of wide area network connectivity, Neopolitan provides organizations with transport, end-to-end private network solutions, including transport and IP transit. Neopolitan capitalizes on advances in fiber optic and wireless technologies to increase network connectivity performance and coverage. We are looking to fill positions for a couple of Network Engineers. These positions will be focused on core network routing primarily using Juniper, Extreme Networks and Cisco equipment. Neopolitan is looking for candidates with hands-on experience in router/switch configuration and management. Neopolitan has openings for both senior and midlevel positions. Minimum requirements: Oversee new customer turn-ups, new market builds and network operations. Review and improve existing Network Architecture, Standards and Procedures. Participate in new service development and new equipment evaluation. 2+ years of experience as a Network Engineer. Proven experience with Juniper, Cisco and Extreme router/switch configuration. Working knowledge of BGP and other networking protocols. Excellent time management, organizational, interpersonal, listening, problem-solving, and written/verbal communication skills. The ability to work a flexible schedule and to excel in a high-energy/small company atmosphere. For immediate consideration, please email your resume and cover letter to: neteng_jobs@neopolitan.com. This is a fulltime benefits eligible position. Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. Senior level to midlevel positions available Salary range: Depending on experience ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jun 6 00:42:10 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jun 6 00:41:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Accounting Position for a Local Networking Outfit Message-ID: <200606060042.11483.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Do not reply to me.. I'm just passing this along: -----------------------BEGIN------------------------- Accounting Clerk Job description/Minimum requirements: Neopolitan Network, Inc. is opening operations in San Antonio, TX. Neopolitan offers simple and elegant solutions for delivering high-capacity Ethernet network communications. Founded in September 2001 and headquartered in Palo Alto, California; Neopolitan Networks is a leading Gigabit Ethernet network service provider. Built upon Gigabit Ethernet over fiber optic cables, Neopolitan delivers scalable, flexible networking solutions. Our range of services have been developed to support enterprise businesses, government installations and educational facilities, by delivering the most elegant, appropriate services to solve data communications problems. Neopolitan Networks uses Ethernet as a primary protocol to deliver services. Because of Ethernet's ubiquity, commoditization and ease of management, it has become the architecture of choice for building networks. By focusing on solving the problems of wide area network connectivity, Neopolitan provides organizations with transport, end-to-end private network solutions, including transport and IP transit. Neopolitan capitalizes on advances in fiber optic and wireless technologies to increase network connectivity performance and coverage. We are looking to fill an opening for an Accounting Clerk. Minimum Requirements: 3 years experience A strong work ethic with an emphasis on punctuality. Experience with QuickBooks Pro a must. For immediate consideration, please email your resume and cover letter to: hr@neopolitan.com. The position is Full-time benefits eligible position. Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. Salary range: 24000 ? 32000 depending on experience ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jun 6 00:47:10 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jun 6 00:46:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit Message-ID: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Do not reply to me.. I'm just passing this along: -----------------------BEGIN------------------------- System Administrator Job listing: Neopolitan Network, Inc. is opening operations in San Antonio, TX. Neopolitan offers simple and elegant solutions for delivering high-capacity Ethernet network communications. Founded in September 2001 and headquartered in Palo Alto, California; Neopolitan Networks is a leading Gigabit Ethernet network service provider. Built upon Gigabit Ethernet over fiber optic cables, Neopolitan delivers scalable, flexible networking solutions. Our range of services have been developed to support enterprise businesses, government installations and educational facilities, by delivering the most elegant, appropriate services to solve data communications problems. Neopolitan Networks uses Ethernet as a primary protocol to deliver services. Because of Ethernet's ubiquity, commoditization and ease of management, it has become the architecture of choice for building networks. By focusing on solving the problems of wide area network connectivity, Neopolitan provides organizations with transport, end-to-end private network solutions, including transport and IP transit. Neopolitan capitalizes on advances in fiber optic and wireless technologies to increase network connectivity performance and coverage. We are currently seeking a system administrator to work at the San Antonio NAP. The ideal candidate will be out going, customer-centric, and eager to become a part of a high energy workplace. Minimum Requirements: UNIX system administrator, (Primarily Redhat Linux, w/ Debian, Gentoo and Solaris) in heterogeneous networking environment. * Emphasis on scripting and automation, shell, perl, python, etc. * Experience in setting up and maintaining monitoring tools such as Nagios, BigBrother, and OpenNMS etc. * Knowledge of configuration of standard network applications such as: Apache, Tomcat, Bind, Sendmail, PHP, MySql, Postgresql * Knowledge of network authentication and directories such as: LDAP, RADIUS, Kerberos, Samba * Version control (CVS, Subversion) and configuration automation (scripts, expect, cfengine) * VOIP (Asterisk Cisco) Experience, Network Engineering (Cisco, others) & Application server programming (zope, plone, PHP) a plus. For immediate consideration, please email your resume and cover letter to: hr@neopolitan.com. This is a Fulltime benefits eligible position. Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. Salary range: 24000 ? 35000 depending on experience ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Tue Jun 6 01:06:04 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Tue Jun 6 01:06:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux toys and the spoiled Winblows user (was Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <200606060003.50609.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <20060604211307.1872.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com> <200606060003.50609.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <44851B4C.6070506@cox-internet.com> Tom Weeks wrote: > If by "just work", you mean not crash, blue screen, or ask for a CD-key when > you change a network card out.. then yeah.. Linux fits the bill. ;) > > As for doing X, Y and Z on Linux instead of Windows -- this is usually the > biggest hurdle for people wanting to "check out Linux". How do I play my > music, do my IM, and get Outlook-like usability and sync it all with my Palm > phone. I know what you mean. I also know that trying to convince a 17 year old that Linux is a better choice for his OS than the one which lets him play his music and games at will is an exercise in futility. From lists at thehunter.ws Tue Jun 6 03:57:50 2006 From: lists at thehunter.ws (Jeremy Teale) Date: Tue Jun 6 03:57:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MythTV question. In-Reply-To: <200606052328.15616.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <99af515b0606041821u2926bd0bn8ad4132d2c2ba8a5@mail.gmail.com> <335E3862-0B82-400C-90A4-4D51B5E801BB@thehunter.ws> <200606052328.15616.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:28 PM, Tom Weeks wrote: > > Sounds like a tuner misconfig. I run the PVR500MCE and it runs > perfect. You have a different card than I do. >> Also, there are >> problems with channel 45, for whatever reason. My adult swim looks >> like crap :-( > > Sounds like your tuner settings are off. Do this: > # grep tuner: /var/log/messages|grep "set to" > /var/log/messages:May 29 21:47:41 myth kernel: tuner: type set to > 57 (Philips > FQ1236A MK4) by insmod option > /var/log/messages:May 29 21:47:46 myth kernel: tuner: type set to > 57 (Philips > FQ1236A MK4) by insmod option > > Once you see what you need to set it to, pop it into your /etc/ > modules.conf: > ... > alias tuner tuner-ivtv > alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv > ## Added this to fix tuner a/v probs > options ivtv tuner=57,57 # <-------------- > options msp3400 once=1 simple=1 > ... > Mine is the newer Samsung based card. I don't need to set the tuner type manually (70), it's all detected automatically in 0.6. >> I'd recommend two 250's or 150's rather than a 500 if you have the >> room on your motherboard. > > The 500 *is* two 150s. > # grep -i "pvr" /var/log/messages|grep "#" > May 29 21:47:45 myth kernel: ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0 > May 29 21:47:46 myth kernel: ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #1 > ;) > Two 150s that don't function properly as two individual 150's otherwise would. From misteratomic at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 09:32:10 2006 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Tue Jun 6 09:32:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] MythTV question. Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60606060732p15c8c427r242e60ce43c2af96@mail.gmail.com> >On Sunday 04 June 2006 20:21, Caleb Wylie wrote: > >I have a question for the users of MythTV. I am building my first box >> because I want to record the World Cup as I am will be working or sleeping >> when most of the games are on. My question pertains to is it possible to >> use the PVR-500 as it is a dual tuner to record two channels at the same >> time? On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:33:31Tom Weeks wrote: >Very nicely... >The cool thing is.. not only can you watch/record two things at once.. you can >even watch live TV remotely via MythTVFrontend running on another I also watch distributed MythTV on 3 MediaMVP units running MVPMC. These cool paperback sized thin clients run linux and are excellent for remote viewing of recordings, live tv and double duty as slimserver clients. Cost (40 bucks each) I am prepping my XBox to be a MythTV client through a script in XBOX mediacenter. I'm setting up a seperate box to serve as another MythTV backend for HD (HDTV Fusion 5 lite) recordings and serve as a front end client and HTPC for the remote analog mythbox which has two PVR 150s. I have a slick and quiet box with an EL display and a nvidia 6200 series vid card which has a component dongle. So far, I've just installed debian from a net install. I'll be leaning on you guys for help in the coming months as I try to learn how to set up drivers, compile kernels and all the other things I have no idea how to do. Seriously, I am not even able to install the warzone2100 game I downloaded. I can untar with the debian gnome gui or cli but I cant figure out what step to take next. (what in the world are "make" or install commands?) Thank God for apt-get and dpkg! Also, I can't even I install my web cam. Millions of questions and thus a brand new obsession and hobby. Back to myth.... My first MythTV box was set up with Knoppmyth but this new box is my first attempt at a regular debian install. Since am very new to linux, I must admit that I only have gotten this far with excellent "how to" guides and forum support. I must have fought lirc for over a month trying to figure out how to "build" drivers for the IR transceivers attached to my PVR 150s. Trying to control two dish network receivers is a pain but I tried so many times that I accidentally got it to work. -- Marc Ripley From comptech3 at mikeester.com Tue Jun 6 09:58:59 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (comptech3@mikeester.com) Date: Tue Jun 6 09:59:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux toys and the spoiled Winblows user (was Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <44851B4C.6070506@cox-internet.com> References: <20060604211307.1872.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com> <200606060003.50609.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <44851B4C.6070506@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <200606061458.k56EwxSu054028@pro21.abac.com> Dennis Myhand writes: > Tom Weeks wrote: >> If by "just work", you mean not crash, blue screen, or ask for a CD-key >> when you change a network card out.. then yeah.. Linux fits the bill. ;) >> >> As for doing X, Y and Z on Linux instead of Windows -- this is usually >> the biggest hurdle for people wanting to "check out Linux". How do I >> play my music, do my IM, and get Outlook-like usability and sync it all >> with my Palm phone. > > I know what you mean. I also know that trying to convince a 17 year old > that Linux is a better choice for his OS than the one which lets him play > his music and games at will is an exercise in futility. > -- I know about this. When my older spawn was a high school freshman, I had her on a Linux box. The only thing she didn't like was not being able to "play with the others" on the Web (although she did have GAIM for her IM wants and used OpenOffice for assignments). Ironically, the boys thought she was cool because she was using a Linux box at home. When she graduated High School, I decided that if she was going to insist on using a proprietary OS, she was going to go Apple. So I bought her a Mac Mini. The lesser of two evils, I say. From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jun 6 10:27:44 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jun 6 10:27:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] How to retain one's privacy on the internet? In-Reply-To: <4483AADB.8080409@shlrm.org> References: <277020fc0606042003g7e20b0a6t6949154b4ee01c56@mail.gmail.com> <4483AADB.8080409@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1149607664.6647.36.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 22:54 -0500, David Kowis wrote: > Sean Carolan wrote: > > This one's for you security folks: > > > > How can a person keep all of his Internet traffic and stored files > > encrypted? Assume this applies to a computer user who browses the > > web, sends and receives email, and has data files stored on a local > > disk. > Encrypted files can be done with cryptsetup-luks. You can create an > entire encrypted partition. And other such fancy things as hiding an > encrypted image within an encrypted image, so that the second encrypted > signature doesn't appear. Internet traffic isn't encrypted... except in > the case of https... As always, the FOSS community has provided YAS (Yet Another Solution): FreeNet. http://freenet.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=whatis And WikiPedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet > > > > It is not possible to encrypt web traffic end-to-end in most cases. > > The second part of my question would therefore be, what's the best > > solution for a reliable, fast proxy server, paid or free? Privacy, > > speed, and high availability are concerns. > > Well those aren't always available at the same time. Tor is an excellent > anonymizer. However, it's for the paranoid, and not really fast. It is > free (both GNU and cash) (http://tor.eff.org/). Works well and is quite > secure. You can run your entire internet through it. However, again it's > not really all that fast.... It's also more than a proxy server. I'll > leave it up to the site to explain it more. Tor is probably the best way > to be really really private for your internet browsing. > This boils down to what risk are we attempting to mitigate? The only way to keep traffic 100% secure is to not send any, so to scale back a bit, it seems that SSL to an owned server would be the 80% solution. The problem here is that one generally wants data from a server that they don't own ;) The other anonymous surfing approaches help to obscure your actions by mixing them in with a bunch of other actions, so a determined attacker would have to sort out everyone else's to get yours. Course the discussion then turns to the definition of determined attacker, and that spectrum... So I hope that the FreeNet stuff as interesting anyway! John From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 10:42:14 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 6 10:42:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] How to retain one's privacy on the internet? In-Reply-To: <1149607664.6647.36.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <277020fc0606042003g7e20b0a6t6949154b4ee01c56@mail.gmail.com> <4483AADB.8080409@shlrm.org> <1149607664.6647.36.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <277020fc0606060842u299ac6e8r4a6b5123061da37f@mail.gmail.com> > This boils down to what risk are we attempting to mitigate? I wrote a letter to congressman Henry Bonilla to complain about our government spying on ordinary citizen's phone and internet traffic. He sent me a letter in reply basically stating that : 1. It's ok to spy on your own citizens because there might be another terrorist attack 2. Two of the Al Queda hijackers used phones to make calls from inside the United States 3. That he would uphold the constitution as was his duty. Maybe Mr. Bonilla studied a different version of the Constitution in high school. Or maybe he was out sick when the class went over the Bill of Rights: ************************ Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. ************************ I've taken more of an interest in encryption and security because we live in an age where these constitutional rights are no longer valued. Most Americans would rather vote for American Idol than participate in a political election. > The other anonymous surfing approaches help to > obscure your actions by mixing them in with a bunch of other actions, so > a determined attacker would have to sort out everyone else's to get > yours. Course the discussion then turns to the definition of determined > attacker, and that spectrum... I tried TOR, and it's pretty slow. However, if I were a citizen of a government that could lock me up for my political or religious beliefs, I would use it exclusively. I wonder how users in China would fare with TOR - would the Chinese gov't firewall slow or block access to anything? From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 11:23:17 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:24:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> Tom Weeks wrote: >Do not reply to me.. I'm just passing this along: > >-----------------------BEGIN------------------------- >System Administrator > >Job listing: > >Minimum Requirements: > >UNIX system administrator, (Primarily Redhat Linux, w/ Debian, Gentoo and >Solaris) in heterogeneous networking environment. > >* Emphasis on scripting and automation, shell, perl, python, etc. > >* Experience in setting up and maintaining monitoring tools such as Nagios, >BigBrother, and OpenNMS etc. > >* Knowledge of configuration of standard network applications such as: Apache, >Tomcat, Bind, Sendmail, PHP, MySql, Postgresql > >* Knowledge of network authentication and directories such as: LDAP, RADIUS, >Kerberos, Samba > >* Version control (CVS, Subversion) and configuration automation (scripts, >expect, cfengine) > >* VOIP (Asterisk Cisco) Experience, Network Engineering (Cisco, others) >& Application server programming (zope, plone, PHP) a plus. > >For immediate consideration, please email your resume and cover letter to: >hr@neopolitan.com. > >This is a Fulltime benefits eligible position. >Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. > >Salary range: 24000 ? 35000 depending on experience >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Ok, I have to ask: Is the salary range listed above "typical" for someone with all of those "minimum requirements" in San Antonio, TX? -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 11:30:57 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:31:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> Mitch Thompson wrote: > Tom Weeks wrote: > >> Do not reply to me.. I'm just passing this along: >> >> -----------------------BEGIN------------------------- >> System Administrator >> >> Job listing: >> >> Minimum Requirements: >> >> UNIX system administrator, (Primarily Redhat Linux, w/ Debian, Gentoo >> and Solaris) in heterogeneous networking environment. >> >> * Emphasis on scripting and automation, shell, perl, python, etc. >> >> * Experience in setting up and maintaining monitoring tools such as >> Nagios, BigBrother, and OpenNMS etc. >> >> * Knowledge of configuration of standard network applications such >> as: Apache, Tomcat, Bind, Sendmail, PHP, MySql, Postgresql >> >> * Knowledge of network authentication and directories such as: LDAP, >> RADIUS, Kerberos, Samba >> >> * Version control (CVS, Subversion) and configuration automation >> (scripts, expect, cfengine) >> >> * VOIP (Asterisk Cisco) Experience, Network Engineering (Cisco, >> others) & Application server programming (zope, plone, PHP) a plus. >> >> For immediate consideration, please email your resume and cover >> letter to: hr@neopolitan.com. >> >> This is a Fulltime benefits eligible position. >> Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. >> >> Salary range: 24000 ? 35000 depending on experience >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> > Ok, I have to ask: Is the salary range listed above "typical" for > someone with all of those "minimum requirements" > in San Antonio, TX? > > Yeah, no kidding. I would think it would at least be twice that. I make more than that as low level graphic artist. ~Nate From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Jun 6 11:35:10 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:35:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606061635.k56GZAZN004102@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > >> This is a Fulltime benefits eligible position. > >> Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. > >> > >> Salary range: 24000 ??? 35000 depending on experience > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> > > Ok, I have to ask: Is the salary range listed above "typical" for > > someone with all of those "minimum requirements" > > in San Antonio, TX? Good question. This is both significantly below industry standard, and also quite below what is paid in academia. -b. From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 11:35:59 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:36:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> pixelnate wrote: > Mitch Thompson wrote: > >> Tom Weeks wrote: >> >>> Do not reply to me.. I'm just passing this along: >>> >>> -----------------------BEGIN------------------------- >>> System Administrator >>> >>> Job listing: >>> >>> Minimum Requirements: >>> >>> UNIX system administrator, (Primarily Redhat Linux, w/ Debian, >>> Gentoo and Solaris) in heterogeneous networking environment. >>> >>> * Emphasis on scripting and automation, shell, perl, python, etc. >>> >>> * Experience in setting up and maintaining monitoring tools such as >>> Nagios, BigBrother, and OpenNMS etc. >>> >>> * Knowledge of configuration of standard network applications such >>> as: Apache, Tomcat, Bind, Sendmail, PHP, MySql, Postgresql >>> >>> * Knowledge of network authentication and directories such as: LDAP, >>> RADIUS, Kerberos, Samba >>> >>> * Version control (CVS, Subversion) and configuration automation >>> (scripts, expect, cfengine) >>> >>> * VOIP (Asterisk Cisco) Experience, Network Engineering (Cisco, >>> others) & Application server programming (zope, plone, PHP) a plus. >>> >>> For immediate consideration, please email your resume and cover >>> letter to: hr@neopolitan.com. >>> >>> This is a Fulltime benefits eligible position. >>> Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. >>> >>> Salary range: 24000 ? 35000 depending on experience >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>> >> Ok, I have to ask: Is the salary range listed above "typical" for >> someone with all of those "minimum requirements" >> in San Antonio, TX? >> >> > Yeah, no kidding. I would think it would at least be twice that. I > make more than that as low level graphic artist. > > ~Nate I knew I was overpaid as a government contractor, but I had no idea ;^) -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From eli at then7.com Tue Jun 6 11:58:34 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:58:44 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <2530.209.30.11.81.1149613114.squirrel@209.30.11.81> I once saw an ad for a position that required: -mcse -ccna -linux/freebsd -exchange -photoshop/illustrator a plus (lol) starting at $14/hr they boldly posted their phone number. that ad ran for weeks and weeks.... (chuckle...HR people, sometimes...) e On Tue, June 6, 2006 11:35 am, Mitch Thompson said: > pixelnate wrote: > >> Mitch Thompson wrote: >> >>> Tom Weeks wrote: >>> >>>> Do not reply to me.. I'm just passing this along: >>>> >>>> -----------------------BEGIN------------------------- >>>> System Administrator >>>> >>>> Job listing: >>>> >>>> Minimum Requirements: >>>> >>>> UNIX system administrator, (Primarily Redhat Linux, w/ Debian, >>>> Gentoo and Solaris) in heterogeneous networking environment. >>>> >>>> * Emphasis on scripting and automation, shell, perl, python, etc. >>>> >>>> * Experience in setting up and maintaining monitoring tools such as >>>> Nagios, BigBrother, and OpenNMS etc. >>>> >>>> * Knowledge of configuration of standard network applications such >>>> as: Apache, Tomcat, Bind, Sendmail, PHP, MySql, Postgresql >>>> >>>> * Knowledge of network authentication and directories such as: LDAP, >>>> RADIUS, Kerberos, Samba >>>> >>>> * Version control (CVS, Subversion) and configuration automation >>>> (scripts, expect, cfengine) >>>> >>>> * VOIP (Asterisk Cisco) Experience, Network Engineering (Cisco, >>>> others) & Application server programming (zope, plone, PHP) a plus. >>>> >>>> For immediate consideration, please email your resume and cover >>>> letter to: hr@neopolitan.com. >>>> >>>> This is a Fulltime benefits eligible position. >>>> Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. >>>> >>>> Salary range: 24000 ??? 35000 depending on experience >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> >>>> >>> Ok, I have to ask: Is the salary range listed above "typical" for >>> someone with all of those "minimum requirements" >>> in San Antonio, TX? >>> >>> >> Yeah, no kidding. I would think it would at least be twice that. I >> make more than that as low level graphic artist. >> >> ~Nate > > I knew I was overpaid as a government contractor, but I had no idea ;^) > > -- > "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of > the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is > what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ???Theodore Roosevelt > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From me at josh-kerr.com Tue Jun 6 12:46:20 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Tue Jun 6 12:47:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1149615980.11717.2.camel@nomad> You got to give them some credit though. They were at least nice enough to actually post the pay. 99.9% of the time I get a job notice email/letter/search they never put down the pay. And as soon as you go through their process and finally get to discuss pay its like "yeah, I made that when I was working IN college!" On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:35 -0500, Mitch Thompson wrote: > pixelnate wrote: > > > Mitch Thompson wrote: > > > >> Tom Weeks wrote: > >> > >>> Do not reply to me.. I'm just passing this along: > >>> > >>> -----------------------BEGIN------------------------- > >>> System Administrator > >>> > >>> Job listing: > >>> > >>> Minimum Requirements: > >>> > >>> UNIX system administrator, (Primarily Redhat Linux, w/ Debian, > >>> Gentoo and Solaris) in heterogeneous networking environment. > >>> > >>> * Emphasis on scripting and automation, shell, perl, python, etc. > >>> > >>> * Experience in setting up and maintaining monitoring tools such as > >>> Nagios, BigBrother, and OpenNMS etc. > >>> > >>> * Knowledge of configuration of standard network applications such > >>> as: Apache, Tomcat, Bind, Sendmail, PHP, MySql, Postgresql > >>> > >>> * Knowledge of network authentication and directories such as: LDAP, > >>> RADIUS, Kerberos, Samba > >>> > >>> * Version control (CVS, Subversion) and configuration automation > >>> (scripts, expect, cfengine) > >>> > >>> * VOIP (Asterisk Cisco) Experience, Network Engineering (Cisco, > >>> others) & Application server programming (zope, plone, PHP) a plus. > >>> > >>> For immediate consideration, please email your resume and cover > >>> letter to: hr@neopolitan.com. > >>> > >>> This is a Fulltime benefits eligible position. > >>> Principals only. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer. > >>> > >>> Salary range: 24000 ? 35000 depending on experience > >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>> > >>> > >> Ok, I have to ask: Is the salary range listed above "typical" for > >> someone with all of those "minimum requirements" > >> in San Antonio, TX? > >> > >> > > Yeah, no kidding. I would think it would at least be twice that. I > > make more than that as low level graphic artist. > > > > ~Nate > > I knew I was overpaid as a government contractor, but I had no idea ;^) > > -- > "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of > the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is > what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt > From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 12:53:45 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 12:54:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <1149615980.11717.2.camel@nomad> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> <1149615980.11717.2.camel@nomad> Message-ID: <4485C129.10307@satx.rr.com> Josh Kerr wrote: >You got to give them some credit though. They were at least nice enough >to actually post the pay. 99.9% of the time I get a job notice >email/letter/search they never put down the pay. And as soon as you go >through their process and finally get to discuss pay its like "yeah, I >made that when I was working IN college!" > > > Although I have no problems with my current job, I have often wondered what it was like in the "real" system admin world. That's why I asked the original question about "typical" salary. If this is an indicator, I'll stay where I am for the time being. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Jun 6 12:55:05 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Jun 6 12:55:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485C129.10307@satx.rr.com> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> <1149615980.11717.2.camel@nomad> <4485C129.10307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4485C179.80405@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Mitch Thompson wrote: > Josh Kerr wrote: > >> You got to give them some credit though. They were at least nice enough >> to actually post the pay. 99.9% of the time I get a job notice >> email/letter/search they never put down the pay. And as soon as you go >> through their process and finally get to discuss pay its like "yeah, I >> made that when I was working IN college!" >> >> >> > Although I have no problems with my current job, I have often wondered > what it was like in the "real" system admin world. That's why I asked > the original question about "typical" salary. If this is an indicator, > I'll stay where I am for the time being. > That's the truth! - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRIXBecnf+vRw63ObAQoi9Av+IwU4gYUFwoCUAfg8wJfCeOFfIVQm+Zvp NmstJ9IrO3DpjG2lA6B3KbaFDGSUhNLbuAQkBQKP1dauUAVXauVUpfA+9t8GIMmS Gn44Ir+pjsvXvtKvZhtgHbB494fvP+bqld431JxqeQtzLA9FFhDiq982xhSTUQj3 Z7aJgaFN98gt5HTsU8f+YkfQ6q3cOwsd309PAHxEuBwGjGA07WMlBhl8d9i0nHrn KDYdr2nMQ40xEm8IRvqsaMk/YR4d2FrscLyofMQcVYEVtGBqMJ7GCXUCcRJ9Exi8 0GflClcmhCzYO1WexZNVH6CsJOkHxaGijPlDU1fobpyOGrlCWX8JqFXt+EclEfVf ckrhjTqmuDF0QFsyjqVRDdFnV6liLkPxvkKsm9xXilSGlv62rgMTJcYnlyS8MnPu lTxKjbJSg4fFldfsWTD3yDxhu1WFgLB68rhXd5g+q54sNwBmBkA5nnjTzEr2NDT8 UCGvMXbxAqdv4lPAri1/F/HbNnKQvvxU =dO+3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From emon at nerdshack.com Tue Jun 6 13:00:14 2006 From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:00:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Thunderbird question... In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0606041418y543dc362rf6e9f17c93c5518f@mail.gmail.com> References: <448341B0.9060501@gawab.com> <8ee65edd0606041349t58c19dbcj9bcf36236e39d704@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0606041418y543dc362rf6e9f17c93c5518f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4485C2AE.3060701@nerdshack.com> On 06/05/2006 03:18 AM, Ed Coates wrote: >> >> http://sillydog.org/forum/sdt_8913.php >> >> HTH, >> >> Ed > This is a better link: > > http://www.holgermetzger.de/efaqmailnews.html > > Ed Thanks Ed As you can see from this mail, I have successfully used the links that you provided. But I still have one problem. I want thunderbird to use the date format that I have configured in KDE (SHORTWEEKDAY-DD-SHORTMONTH-YY). My dates show up as Tue-06-Jun-06. Basically I get confused between date & month so I at lest like to keep one of them in words. This time I did a bit of searching & found this site. kb.mozillazine.org/Date_display_format My first question is why did all the pages that I came across, referred to this (user.js) file? I did not find any such file, but I did find something called "prefs.js" /in/my/home/.thunderbird which seems to have same function. So I added a line to the file (prefs.js) as per the instruction on the page user_pref("mail.ui.display.dateformat.default", 1); it was supposed to show me time like this Friday, December 31 2003 10:23 AM but unfortunately it had no effect!! the date format remained as it was before. So what am I possibly doing wrong?? Emon From channing-c at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 13:02:46 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:02:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485C129.10307@satx.rr.com> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> <1149615980.11717.2.camel@nomad> <4485C129.10307@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4485C346.8090302@satx.rr.com> Mitch Thompson wrote: > Josh Kerr wrote: > >> You got to give them some credit though. They were at least nice enough >> to actually post the pay. 99.9% of the time I get a job notice >> email/letter/search they never put down the pay. And as soon as you go >> through their process and finally get to discuss pay its like "yeah, I >> made that when I was working IN college!" >> >> >> > Although I have no problems with my current job, I have often wondered > what it was like in the "real" system admin world. That's why I asked > the original question about "typical" salary. If this is an > indicator, I'll stay where I am for the time being. > This is not typical, although (as Eli pointed-out) these posting do occur. If you were to double the bottom number, you'd be looking at a SAGE Level I person, or a desperate Level II. It's doubtful either would have the skill-set the posting is looking for. Regards, Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 13:04:33 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:05:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <2530.209.30.11.81.1149613114.squirrel@209.30.11.81> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> <2530.209.30.11.81.1149613114.squirrel@209.30.11.81> Message-ID: <4485C3B1.1030903@satx.rr.com> Eli Cantu wrote: >I once saw an ad for a position that required: > >-mcse >-ccna >-linux/freebsd >-exchange >-photoshop/illustrator a plus (lol) > >starting at $14/hr > >they boldly posted their phone number. that ad ran for weeks and weeks.... > >(chuckle...HR people, sometimes...) > >e > > > Although we are all mocking things like this, I think we might all agree (or, maybe not) that, if push came to shove, a job like this would be better than no job at all. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 13:08:14 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:09:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <44842ADC.1060808@josh-kerr.com> References: <277020fc0606040659m35285381n3574db3c18d9cbe@mail.gmail.com> <44842ADC.1060808@josh-kerr.com> Message-ID: <4485C48E.4060001@satx.rr.com> Josh Kerr wrote: > If you decide to use your Drapper box for a work station I'd recommend > checking XGL. I now a lot of you guys are running SUSE and that the > newest release comes with XGL but it still looks awsome! My only > complaint with Drapper and the 2.6.23 kernel [I think that's the > version] is that I lost wireless support on my laptop. I have a Dell > Inspiron 5100 and a NetGear WG511T PC card. When I had Breezy on my > box I had to unload the madwifi drivers and re-install the newer > versions. From what I read on the forums, the new kernel is a little > buggy with wireless. Did anyone else have a problem with wireless when > they installed/upgraded to Drapper? I have yet to install 6.06 on my laptop (I do have it on my AMD64 desktop). I put Mepis on my laptop recently because I had read somewhere there it's WPA support was better "out of the box" than (k)ubuntu's. I still have a problem with getting my wireless card to work if I ever have to take the card down for any reason. In other words, after boot-up, my WG511T works great, even with WPA. If I have to 'ifdown ath0' for any reason, I might as well reboot to get it back up. I'll try 6.06 this week and see if I get the problems you are indicating. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Jun 6 13:25:30 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:25:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485C3B1.1030903@satx.rr.com> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> <2530.209.30.11.81.1149613114.squirrel@209.30.11.81> <4485C3B1.1030903@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4485C89A.5060709@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Mitch Thompson wrote: > Although we are all mocking things like this, I think we might all agree > (or, maybe not) that, if push came to shove, a job like this would be > better than no job at all. Thats why we should make the most of mocking. ;) While we still can..... - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRIXImsnf+vRw63ObAQow9Av/eYdBKpJ+DVJIY1nmd/AfPTO6obSZurxh 5cW5rO8+zy0RS41PoBbo0jcYmxFhFFiqVSvLhBzSTi9RIB6tr2WTLf6GcOrini0L YF7Gw4RRIrwBRafKEuWFoKQBTN4cMW6toWA8hyPJWO+s+atEkd1RE9dGGGcUA+5q cI2w+I7dzRAmKJV6aOq9cQOgn4zNwLtNfCp5nDK+G71ZlpU1wY3yLRSfhT+6OYPl 8N/H7bephKt7nXAnXANfYEkzCrhNJ/qR5bUjFVSLLqNB+CAzJHVORW8yy4G/UgCZ NQN98wUJkyGhurXHK8T8diZDuxR6+s412lWRWZPQxsu7TmzBA2n0az4G9EhkrLz9 /D3pMHNY4yg1pZVkDIsZu1yCNiILGQ5DdeQCadzpU08dA6LQJZRCekn9Kwc1toiP cigUpK8o+NWCC0GZNxjvoLerRHkgEGdQujfr8yiJ1nNXsW3z+ZAoLuexqt4g61VF 6fZn4Xh5uW6CRFN5CDNBHTvXZI/Qip67 =xsDI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jun 6 13:27:52 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:27:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <200606061635.k56GZAZN004102@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <20060606182752.76953.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> > > >> Salary range: 24000 ??? 35000 depending on > experience LOL. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 13:31:39 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:31:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Thunderbird question... In-Reply-To: <4485C2AE.3060701@nerdshack.com> References: <448341B0.9060501@gawab.com> <8ee65edd0606041349t58c19dbcj9bcf36236e39d704@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0606041418y543dc362rf6e9f17c93c5518f@mail.gmail.com> <4485C2AE.3060701@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0606061131s10ecbf59h446412c37df5639d@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/06, Emon wrote: > but unfortunately it had no effect!! the date format remained as it was > before. > > So what am I possibly doing wrong?? > > Emon Emon, Looking at that page, it seems that the pref that you used in there refers to the date in the inbox pane of Thunderbird. Might try there to see if that looks different now. Let me see if I can find out what you need. Ed From tweeks at rackspace.com Tue Jun 6 13:42:23 2006 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:42:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins Message-ID: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> We're looking for experienced Linux Admins that know networking, OS t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... Job listings are here: http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1105&mode=view http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1251&mode=view Send PDF resumes to hire-me@theweeks.org. No newbies at this time please.. At this time we're only looking for experienced folks. Tweeks From rct at gherkin.frus.com Tue Jun 6 13:59:36 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:59:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <2530.209.30.11.81.1149613114.squirrel@209.30.11.81> "from Eli Cantu at Jun 6, 2006 11:58:34 am" Message-ID: <20060606185936.5B392DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Eli Cantu wrote: > I once saw an ad for a position that required: > > -mcse > -ccna > -linux/freebsd > -exchange > -photoshop/illustrator a plus (lol) > > starting at $14/hr > > they boldly posted their phone number. that ad ran for weeks and weeks.... > > (chuckle...HR people, sometimes...) Ya know, I truly don't mind people asking... Businesses don't make money by giving it away. However... I can't help but shake my head at such examples of idiocy. Hmmm... Let's see... I'll insult you, and you'll want to come work for me. Sheesh... The bigger question is, would we be doing anyone any favors by attempting to hit such people squarely between the eyes with a big clue stick? Case in point: I've seen local businesses take cruel advantage of competent enlisted personnel fresh out of the military, but it generally takes less than a year for the light to come on and the abused civilian nouveaux to move on to a better job where the compensation is more realistic relative to abilities. How do those businesses get away with it? Partly it's HR telling people they aren't worth a bucket of warm spit without a college degree, so they should take a job paying slave wages to prove their worth. In partial defense of the HR droid, a high school education isn't automatically worth much these days. Grade inflation has taken its toll. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 14:30:24 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:31:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <4485C89A.5060709@shlrm.org> References: <200606060047.11435.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4485ABF5.1000904@satx.rr.com> <4485ADC1.8070003@gmail.com> <4485AEEF.7090106@satx.rr.com> <2530.209.30.11.81.1149613114.squirrel@209.30.11.81> <4485C3B1.1030903@satx.rr.com> <4485C89A.5060709@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4485D7D0.9030100@satx.rr.com> David Kowis wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA512 > >Mitch Thompson wrote: > > >>Although we are all mocking things like this, I think we might all agree >>(or, maybe not) that, if push came to shove, a job like this would be >>better than no job at all. >> >> > >Thats why we should make the most of mocking. ;) > >While we still can..... > > > >- -- > > > ROTFL! -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 14:31:30 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:32:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> Message-ID: <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> tweeks wrote: >We're looking for experienced Linux Admins that know networking, OS >t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... > >Job listings are here: >http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1105&mode=view >http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1251&mode=view > >Send PDF resumes to hire-me@theweeks.org. >No newbies at this time please.. At this time we're only looking for >experienced folks. > >Tweeks > > Can you beat the salary range of that "other" company? -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From me at josh-kerr.com Tue Jun 6 14:34:42 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:34:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1149622482.5683.0.camel@localhost> I was about to say. Did anyone else notice that they didn't show the pay? FYI Rackspace is a "competitive based salary" company. On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:31 -0500, Mitch Thompson wrote: > tweeks wrote: > > >We're looking for experienced Linux Admins that know networking, OS > >t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... > > > >Job listings are here: > >http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1105&mode=view > >http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1251&mode=view > > > >Send PDF resumes to hire-me@theweeks.org. > >No newbies at this time please.. At this time we're only looking for > >experienced folks. > > > >Tweeks > > > > > Can you beat the salary range of that "other" company? > > > > -- > "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of > the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is > what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt > From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 14:41:04 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:41:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: <1149622482.5683.0.camel@localhost> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> <1149622482.5683.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4485DA50.6040507@satx.rr.com> Josh Kerr wrote: >I was about to say. Did anyone else notice that they didn't show the >pay? FYI Rackspace is a "competitive based salary" company. > >On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:31 -0500, Mitch Thompson wrote: > > >>tweeks wrote: >> >> >> >>>We're looking for experienced Linux Admins that know networking, OS >>>t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... >>> >>>Job listings are here: >>>http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1105&mode=view >>>http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1251&mode=view >>> >>>Send PDF resumes to hire-me@theweeks.org. >>>No newbies at this time please.. At this time we're only looking for >>>experienced folks. >>> >>>Tweeks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Can you beat the salary range of that "other" company? >> >> >> >> >> I'm not knocking Rackspace in any way, shape or form. The opportunity to "crack a wise" was too good to pass up. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 6 14:42:17 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:43:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: <1149622482.5683.0.camel@localhost> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> <1149622482.5683.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4485DA99.8080305@satx.rr.com> Josh Kerr wrote: >I was about to say. Did anyone else notice that they didn't show the >pay? FYI Rackspace is a "competitive based salary" company. > >On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:31 -0500, Mitch Thompson wrote: > > >>tweeks wrote: >> >> >> >>>We're looking for experienced Linux Admins that know networking, OS >>>t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... >>> >>>Job listings are here: >>>http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1105&mode=view >>>http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1251&mode=view >>> >>>Send PDF resumes to hire-me@theweeks.org. >>>No newbies at this time please.. At this time we're only looking for >>>experienced folks. >>> >>>Tweeks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Can you beat the salary range of that "other" company? >> >> >> >> >> means "grinning, ducking, and running", in case anyone didn't know.... -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From eli at then7.com Tue Jun 6 14:48:41 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:48:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: <1149622482.5683.0.camel@localhost> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> <1149622482.5683.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <2616.209.30.11.81.1149623321.squirrel@209.30.11.81> When I talked to Rackspace HR, the ranges didn't seem bad at all, considering: -it's san antonio -the same qualifications as the other post would probably get you at a fairly high level (probably skip the first 2) not to kiss arse, but i'd rather work in a rackspace environment then a lot of others. i can only imagine the enviroment at rackspace really sharpens up a geeks technical chops. e On Tue, June 6, 2006 2:34 pm, Josh Kerr said: > I was about to say. Did anyone else notice that they didn't show the > pay? FYI Rackspace is a "competitive based salary" company. > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:31 -0500, Mitch Thompson wrote: >> tweeks wrote: >> >> >We're looking for experienced Linux Admins that know networking, OS >> >t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... >> > >> >Job listings are here: >> >http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1105&mode=view >> >http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1251&mode=view >> > >> >Send PDF resumes to hire-me@theweeks.org. >> >No newbies at this time please.. At this time we're only looking for >> >experienced folks. >> > >> >Tweeks >> > >> > >> Can you beat the salary range of that "other" company? >> >> >> >> -- >> "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of >> the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is >> what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ???Theodore Roosevelt >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From me at josh-kerr.com Tue Jun 6 14:49:13 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:49:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: <4485DA50.6040507@satx.rr.com> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> <1149622482.5683.0.camel@localhost> <4485DA50.6040507@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1149623353.5683.4.camel@localhost> Nor was I. Like you I saw the opportunity to make a comment. I have some friends that work at Rackspace and they love it. They will admit that the pay is a little low (we never get into details) however they said that they frequently get bonuses. These bonuses help the overall pay get to the more 'suitable' level of pay for the job. On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:41 -0500, Mitch Thompson wrote: > Josh Kerr wrote: > > >I was about to say. Did anyone else notice that they didn't show the > >pay? FYI Rackspace is a "competitive based salary" company. > > > >On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:31 -0500, Mitch Thompson wrote: > > > > > >>tweeks wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>We're looking for experienced Linux Admins that know networking, OS > >>>t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... > >>> > >>>Job listings are here: > >>>http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1105&mode=view > >>>http://jobs-rackspace.icims.com/rackspace_jobs/jobs/candidate/job.jsp?jobid=1251&mode=view > >>> > >>>Send PDF resumes to hire-me@theweeks.org. > >>>No newbies at this time please.. At this time we're only looking for > >>>experienced folks. > >>> > >>>Tweeks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Can you beat the salary range of that "other" company? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm not knocking Rackspace in any way, shape or form. The opportunity > to "crack a wise" was too good to pass up. > > -- > "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of > the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is > what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt > From jesse at liberto.org Tue Jun 6 17:04:01 2006 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Tue Jun 6 17:04:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] New Dell's Message-ID: <4485FBD1.3090901@liberto.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Have you seen the new Dell XPS Models at dell.com? - -- Jesse Gonzalez Network/System Administrator Liberto Management Co., Inc. (210) 226 4167 x285 (210) 226 3075 Fax jesse@liberto.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEhfvQq+R5ApuyNWERAg3mAKCzPWcbHITWPmf93FzJtPSfZ+DWcgCfQMAg 6Tmc3UkuXI+Ep9YRy8cp7sM= =qoL3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jun 6 18:14:00 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jun 6 18:14:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <20060606185936.5B392DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20060606185936.5B392DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <1149635640.6647.116.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> As I am in the IT flesh-peddling business (Mostly my own, but I can peddle some others too :) this is the dichotomy between HR and Candidate: HR - I need a non-retard, good-looking, great-with-people, superstar that can run my whole business with 1 finger, while working for free and we only require 110 hours a week (the other 10 is flex time). Candidate - I want to work 20 hours a month from home for 6 figures, while having no need to do real work since I will delegate all of my work to the 100 people working for me who have all taken the HR offer above. This dichotomy keeps both HR and candidates honest! Yea Capitalism, baby! On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 13:59 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > Eli Cantu wrote: > > I once saw an ad for a position that required: > > > > -mcse > > -ccna > > -linux/freebsd > > -exchange > > -photoshop/illustrator a plus (lol) > > > > starting at $14/hr > > > > they boldly posted their phone number. that ad ran for weeks and weeks.... > > > > (chuckle...HR people, sometimes...) > > Ya know, I truly don't mind people asking... Businesses don't make > money by giving it away. However... I can't help but shake my head > at such examples of idiocy. Hmmm... Let's see... I'll insult you, > and you'll want to come work for me. Sheesh... > > The bigger question is, would we be doing anyone any favors by > attempting to hit such people squarely between the eyes with a big > clue stick? Case in point: I've seen local businesses take cruel > advantage of competent enlisted personnel fresh out of the military, > but it generally takes less than a year for the light to come on and > the abused civilian nouveaux to move on to a better job where the > compensation is more realistic relative to abilities. > > How do those businesses get away with it? Partly it's HR telling people > they aren't worth a bucket of warm spit without a college degree, so > they should take a job paying slave wages to prove their worth. In > partial defense of the HR droid, a high school education isn't > automatically worth much these days. Grade inflation has taken its toll. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From yatinhat at yahoo.com Tue Jun 6 18:48:48 2006 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Tue Jun 6 18:48:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Low paying tech jobs advertised in San Antonio Message-ID: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> I am self-employed tech professional and mostly work when I want to. Around noon each day, I take a dip in the pool, sun myself until dry then go back to work happy and refreshed. It would be a hardship for me to have to work for $35,000 yearly and live in San Antonio. From benjaminez at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 19:36:14 2006 From: benjaminez at gmail.com (Benjamin) Date: Tue Jun 6 19:36:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] FC5 issues with libgtk-x11-2.0 Message-ID: <9a427b080606061736n164784dch1f383ca55e6d3d76@mail.gmail.com> Hi all-- I just upgraded my box to Fedora Core 5 (thought I'd wait until school let out before I gave it a try). Everything works quite well, except that some applications seem to have problems with the libgtk-x11-2.0 library. Applications affected include Firefox, OpenOffice.org, and the Gimp. The exact error message I get goes like this: [me@box ~]$ firefox firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_object_compat_control I've Googled around, upgraded gtk2, glib, etc. . . Anyone have any ideas? -- Benjamin "Obey me, I am root." -Michael Crichton, Prey From gdale at neopolitan.com Tue Jun 6 21:44:00 2006 From: gdale at neopolitan.com (Geoff Dale) Date: Tue Jun 6 21:44:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <20060606182752.76953.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060606182752.76953.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1149648240.3356.102.camel@tiamat> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:27 -0700, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > >> Salary range: 24000 ??? 35000 depending on > > experience > LOL. > > -Alex Okay, looks like a draft revision of that listing leaked (or tweek'ed) out. (No worries, Tom. I appreciate the effort, and at least this time when the listing was posted it generated some responses.) As the original author of that job listing (but not the person who set that salary range), I'd like to say that while we'd be happy to hire somebody for that salary with those skillsets -- I had already commented internally that I thought it was not realistic. We had already agreed to consider higher. When I posted the listing here a while back, I hadn't put in a salary range because I expect it to be highly variable based what actual experience the candidate has. (Sorry, Josh.) Meanwhile, glad to have provided the gift of laughter to you all. ;P - G -- Geoff Dale Neopolitan Networks, Inc. From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 23:20:25 2006 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells (jfw5cpa@gmail.com)) Date: Tue Jun 6 23:19:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? Message-ID: <44865409.70804@gmail.com> I have a router that I picked up for a pitance and can't determine the IP address for. It would have originally been 192.168.0.1 but even after resetting the router, I can't get it to come up at that address. Is there any (easy?) way to do a scan that would give me the actual IP address that the device is using? I'm thinking that maybe the router itself is fried but I'd kind of like to know if maybe I can bring it back from the dead if possible. Jim From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Tue Jun 6 23:28:27 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Tue Jun 6 23:28:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? In-Reply-To: <44865409.70804@gmail.com> References: <44865409.70804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <448655EB.1060705@cox-internet.com> Jim Wells (jfw5cpa@gmail.com) wrote: > I have a router that I picked up for a pitance and can't determine the > IP address for. It would have originally been 192.168.0.1 but even > after resetting the router, I can't get it to come up at that address. > > Is there any (easy?) way to do a scan that would give me the actual IP > address that the device is using? I'm thinking that maybe the router > itself is fried but I'd kind of like to know if maybe I can bring it > back from the dead if possible. > > Jim The manufacturer's name and model number would be a lot of help. Also, their website might have other info which would be useful. Peace, Dennis From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 06:11:37 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 7 06:11:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? In-Reply-To: <448655EB.1060705@cox-internet.com> References: <44865409.70804@gmail.com> <448655EB.1060705@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606070411l2b90d842v13e4f5847b9b4aa@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/06, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Jim Wells (jfw5cpa@gmail.com) wrote: > > I have a router that I picked up for a pitance and can't determine the > > IP address for. It would have originally been 192.168.0.1 but even > > after resetting the router, I can't get it to come up at that address. > > > > Is there any (easy?) way to do a scan that would give me the actual IP > > address that the device is using? I'm thinking that maybe the router > > itself is fried but I'd kind of like to know if maybe I can bring it > > back from the dead if possible. Most of them default to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.0, although depends on the brand. Do you have nmap installed? If you do, you can simply run nmap against a few of those IP ranges where you think it might be. Probably quicker to just check the manufacturer's website. From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 7 07:52:50 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jun 7 07:53:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <1149635640.6647.116.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <20060606185936.5B392DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <1149635640.6647.116.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <4486CC22.4090707@satx.rr.com> John Pappas wrote: >As I am in the IT flesh-peddling business (Mostly my own, but I can >peddle some others too :) this is the dichotomy between HR and >Candidate: > >HR - I need a non-retard, good-looking, great-with-people, superstar >that can run my whole business with 1 finger, while working for free and >we only require 110 hours a week (the other 10 is flex time). > >Candidate - I want to work 20 hours a month from home for 6 figures, >while having no need to do real work since I will delegate all of my >work to the 100 people working for me who have all taken the HR offer >above. > >This dichotomy keeps both HR and candidates honest! > >Yea Capitalism, baby! > > > After 20 years in the Air Force, I was a) totally unprepared for job interviews, especially the part about negotiating salary, and b) totally unwilling to ask anyone how to go about it. As a result, when I interviewed for my current position, when asked what my salary requirements were, is threw out a number which, while significantly higher than an E-6's pay, was obviously lower than the prevailing salaries, as evidenced by the interviewer's /immediate /response of "We can do that." My immediate thought was, "Oh, well. It's still a lot more than I was making in the military." -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 7 07:58:49 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jun 7 07:59:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606070411l2b90d842v13e4f5847b9b4aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <44865409.70804@gmail.com> <448655EB.1060705@cox-internet.com> <277020fc0606070411l2b90d842v13e4f5847b9b4aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4486CD89.20800@satx.rr.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > On 6/6/06, Dennis Myhand wrote: > >> Jim Wells (jfw5cpa@gmail.com) wrote: >> > I have a router that I picked up for a pitance and can't determine the >> > IP address for. It would have originally been 192.168.0.1 but even >> > after resetting the router, I can't get it to come up at that address. >> > >> > Is there any (easy?) way to do a scan that would give me the actual IP >> > address that the device is using? I'm thinking that maybe the router >> > itself is fried but I'd kind of like to know if maybe I can bring it >> > back from the dead if possible. > > > Most of them default to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.0, although depends > on the brand. > > Do you have nmap installed? If you do, you can simply run nmap > against a few of those IP ranges where you think it might be. > Probably quicker to just check the manufacturer's website. Something else which might work is to run tcpdump on a computer plugged into the same network. I have used that method a few times to find IP addresses. Look for the "ARP who-has xxx tell xxx" broadcasts. If you see any IP addresses which you don't expect on that network, chances are that's the one you are looking for. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From me at josh-kerr.com Wed Jun 7 08:06:12 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Wed Jun 7 08:06:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? In-Reply-To: <4486CD89.20800@satx.rr.com> References: <44865409.70804@gmail.com> <448655EB.1060705@cox-internet.com> <277020fc0606070411l2b90d842v13e4f5847b9b4aa@mail.gmail.com> <4486CD89.20800@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4486CF44.3080100@josh-kerr.com> Mitch Thompson wrote: > Sean Carolan wrote: > >> On 6/6/06, Dennis Myhand wrote: >> >>> Jim Wells (jfw5cpa@gmail.com) wrote: >>> > I have a router that I picked up for a pitance and can't determine >>> the >>> > IP address for. It would have originally been 192.168.0.1 but even >>> > after resetting the router, I can't get it to come up at that >>> address. >>> > >>> > Is there any (easy?) way to do a scan that would give me the >>> actual IP >>> > address that the device is using? I'm thinking that maybe the router >>> > itself is fried but I'd kind of like to know if maybe I can bring it >>> > back from the dead if possible. >> >> >> Most of them default to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.0, although depends >> on the brand. >> >> Do you have nmap installed? If you do, you can simply run nmap >> against a few of those IP ranges where you think it might be. >> Probably quicker to just check the manufacturer's website. > > Something else which might work is to run tcpdump on a computer > plugged into the same network. I have used that method a few times to > find IP addresses. Look for the "ARP who-has xxx tell xxx" broadcasts. > If you see any IP addresses which you don't expect on that network, > chances are that's the one you are looking for. > > This might be a little obvious but I'll point it out anyways. If the router also servers as the DHCP server (as most plug 'n plays do) a DHCP client will receive their address from the router. 99.99% of the time the DNS and the gateway point to the router. The only problem that I see from this scenario is if the router is on a network with it's default IP already taken. As mentioned earlier the default IPs are 192.168.* (0.1, 1.0, and 1.1). If that specific IP is already taken by another device some routers are not smart enough to change their IP. Just my $0.02. From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 7 08:11:12 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jun 7 08:11:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? In-Reply-To: <4486CF44.3080100@josh-kerr.com> References: <44865409.70804@gmail.com> <448655EB.1060705@cox-internet.com> <277020fc0606070411l2b90d842v13e4f5847b9b4aa@mail.gmail.com> <4486CD89.20800@satx.rr.com> <4486CF44.3080100@josh-kerr.com> Message-ID: <4486D070.2030704@satx.rr.com> Josh Kerr wrote: > Mitch Thompson wrote: > >> Sean Carolan wrote: >> >>> On 6/6/06, Dennis Myhand wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Wells (jfw5cpa@gmail.com) wrote: >>>> > I have a router that I picked up for a pitance and can't >>>> determine the >>>> > IP address for. It would have originally been 192.168.0.1 but even >>>> > after resetting the router, I can't get it to come up at that >>>> address. >>>> > >>>> > Is there any (easy?) way to do a scan that would give me the >>>> actual IP >>>> > address that the device is using? I'm thinking that maybe the router >>>> > itself is fried but I'd kind of like to know if maybe I can bring it >>>> > back from the dead if possible. >>> >>> >>> >>> Most of them default to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.0, although depends >>> on the brand. >>> >>> Do you have nmap installed? If you do, you can simply run nmap >>> against a few of those IP ranges where you think it might be. >>> Probably quicker to just check the manufacturer's website. >> >> >> Something else which might work is to run tcpdump on a computer >> plugged into the same network. I have used that method a few times to >> find IP addresses. Look for the "ARP who-has xxx tell xxx" >> broadcasts. If you see any IP addresses which you don't expect on >> that network, chances are that's the one you are looking for. >> >> > This might be a little obvious but I'll point it out anyways. If the > router also servers as the DHCP server (as most plug 'n plays do) a > DHCP client will receive their address from the router. 99.99% of the > time the DNS and the gateway point to the router. The only problem > that I see from this scenario is if the router is on a network with > it's default IP already taken. As mentioned earlier the default IPs > are 192.168.* (0.1, 1.0, and 1.1). If that specific IP is already > taken by another device some routers are not smart enough to change > their IP. Just my $0.02. > True enough. Thanks for pointing it out. After I wrote that, I started thinking more closely about the times I had used that method, and realized that the devices had merely been "boxes", not router types. And the boxes were trying to find their gateway, DNS, etc. If the unknown router above is configured to act as a DHCP server, it might be possible to plug a computer into its LAN port and attempt to get an IP address, gateway, etc. from it. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jun 7 08:35:46 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jun 7 08:35:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? In-Reply-To: <4486D070.2030704@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200606071335.k57DZkWP020445@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Jim Wells (jfw5cpa@gmail.com) wrote: > I have a router that I picked up for a pitance and can't determine the > IP address for. It would have originally been 192.168.0.1 but even after > resetting the router, I can't get it to come up at that address. > > Is there any (easy?) way to do a scan that would give me the actual IP > address that the device is using? I'm thinking that maybe the router > itself is fried but I'd kind of like to know if maybe I can bring it > back from the dead if possible. I hate to ask this - but are we sure we are talking about a router and not just a hub or switch? Surely it would be nice if Jim could post the brand and model number... -Borries From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 08:51:23 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Jun 7 08:51:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Low paying tech jobs advertised in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4486D9DB.1000605@gmail.com> Mary Yatti wrote: > I am self-employed tech professional and mostly work > when I want to. Around noon each day, I take a dip in > the pool, sun myself until dry then go back to work > happy and refreshed. > > It would be a hardship for me to have to work for > $35,000 yearly and live in San Antonio. > On behalf of the whole group here, I would like to say 1) that you suck, and I hate you [tongue in cheek], and 2) that I hope to be in the same position soon [which, I guess means I am going to need to put in a pool]. What do you do that allows for such a (strenuous) lifestyle? ~Nate From vern.davis at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 08:54:23 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Wed Jun 7 08:54:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Low paying tech jobs advertised in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/06, Mary Yatti wrote: > I am self-employed tech professional and mostly work > when I want to. Around noon each day, I take a dip in > the pool, sun myself until dry then go back to work > happy and refreshed. > > It would be a hardship for me to have to work for > $35,000 yearly and live in San Antonio. > -- Funny - I have much the same schedule - except, of course, I don't get paid! -- vern.davis@gmail.com From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 7 09:15:07 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jun 7 09:15:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Low paying tech jobs advertised in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> Vern Davis wrote: > On 6/6/06, Mary Yatti wrote: > >> I am self-employed tech professional and mostly work >> when I want to. Around noon each day, I take a dip in >> the pool, sun myself until dry then go back to work >> happy and refreshed. >> >> It would be a hardship for me to have to work for >> $35,000 yearly and live in San Antonio. >> -- > > > > Funny - I have much the same schedule - except, of course, I don't get > paid! > ROTFL. -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From satlugacct at jchampion.com Wed Jun 7 09:25:19 2006 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (satlugacct@jchampion.com) Date: Wed Jun 7 09:25:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> Hi all, Here is my quandry... I have held a number of jobs with job titles that have nothing to do with tech. My current position is a media relations technician. People see media relations and can't past that part to the next word. I'm not sure what to do except to manipulate the job title to reflect what I do. That's the other part of my problem that maybe you guys can help me with... What I do is a number of things that the average tech does (like fix/tweak things, resolve conflicts with software, ip's etc...), but I also do things that a consultant does (like recommend hardware, software, telecom, and other technologies), and I design and develop web apps for internal use only (so they don't have to be pretty). I also do a lot of other little things. Well I've come to the conclusion that it's time to look for a new job. While I know what kind of company I would like to work for, I am having a heck of a time getting noticed because no one can get beyond my job titles and those that do...are offering me work way below my skillset at pay that's well below what I am making now. I am versed in Linux (Debian mostly), PHP, MySQL, C++, Windows, Windows Server, telephone systems, audio/video, satellite uplink/downlink, and countless other areas. I just don't know how to break out of this rut. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks! john From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 09:27:49 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Jun 7 09:27:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] mod_php and mod_suphp Message-ID: <8ee65edd0606070727r3182c5fdy810c17269de18786@mail.gmail.com> I've got a gentoo box here and have apache/mod_perl/mod_php and all the good stuff. Just recently, after a sync, I've noticed that when I emerge -u world, it now tells me that mod_php doesn't have any ebuilds. Sure enough, it seems that mod_php isn't being included with gentoo an longer. After a bit of searching around, I found that suphp might be replacing mod_php. Any comments on suphp? Am I mistaken about it replacing mod_php? Has anyone used it? Is it comparable? Ed From me at josh-kerr.com Wed Jun 7 09:33:29 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Wed Jun 7 09:33:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <1149690809.5148.2.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 09:25 -0500, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Here is my quandry... > > I have held a number of jobs with job titles that have nothing to do > with tech. My current position is a media relations technician. People > see media relations and can't past that part to the next word. > > I'm not sure what to do except to manipulate the job title to reflect > what I do. > > That's the other part of my problem that maybe you guys can help me with... > > What I do is a number of things that the average tech does (like > fix/tweak things, resolve conflicts with software, ip's etc...), but I > also do things that a consultant does (like recommend hardware, > software, telecom, and other technologies), and I design and develop > web apps for internal use only (so they don't have to be pretty). I > also do a lot of other little things. > > Well I've come to the conclusion that it's time to look for a new job. > While I know what kind of company I would like to work for, I am > having a heck of a time getting noticed because no one can get beyond > my job titles and those that do...are offering me work way below my > skillset at pay that's well below what I am making now. > > I am versed in Linux (Debian mostly), PHP, MySQL, C++, Windows, > Windows Server, telephone systems, audio/video, satellite > uplink/downlink, and countless other areas. > > I just don't know how to break out of this rut. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Thanks! > john > > Media Relations is obviously the wrong job title. I'd just put down on your resume that you are the IT Administrator for your company. If and when you get your interview and they ask you why you said "IT Administrator" instead of "Media Relations" you tell them what your job entailed. From vern.davis at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 09:39:46 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Wed Jun 7 09:39:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <5ef09f10606070739l7a80a559yfa172806b9b440db@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/06, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Here is my quandry... > > I have held a number of jobs with job titles that have nothing to do > with tech. My current position is a media relations technician. People > see media relations and can't past that part to the next word. > > I'm not sure what to do except to manipulate the job title to reflect > what I do. > > That's the other part of my problem that maybe you guys can help me with... > > What I do is a number of things that the average tech does (like > fix/tweak things, resolve conflicts with software, ip's etc...), but I > also do things that a consultant does (like recommend hardware, > software, telecom, and other technologies), and I design and develop > web apps for internal use only (so they don't have to be pretty). I > also do a lot of other little things. > > Well I've come to the conclusion that it's time to look for a new job. > While I know what kind of company I would like to work for, I am > having a heck of a time getting noticed because no one can get beyond > my job titles and those that do...are offering me work way below my > skillset at pay that's well below what I am making now. > > I am versed in Linux (Debian mostly), PHP, MySQL, C++, Windows, > Windows Server, telephone systems, audio/video, satellite > uplink/downlink, and countless other areas. > > I just don't know how to break out of this rut. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Thanks! > john > "Media Technology Wrangler"? -- vern.davis@gmail.com From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 09:45:34 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Jun 7 09:45:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: mod_php and mod_suphp In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0606070727r3182c5fdy810c17269de18786@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0606070727r3182c5fdy810c17269de18786@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0606070745h3d5a08cdvcbe6b70727a6d0c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/06, Ed Coates wrote: > I've got a gentoo box here and have apache/mod_perl/mod_php and all > the good stuff. Just recently, after a sync, I've noticed that when I > emerge -u world, it now tells me that mod_php doesn't have any > ebuilds. Sure enough, it seems that mod_php isn't being included with > gentoo an longer. After a bit of searching around, I found that suphp > might be replacing mod_php. > > Any comments on suphp? Am I mistaken about it replacing mod_php? Has > anyone used it? Is it comparable? > > Ed Sorry to answer my own question, but I should have looked just a bit farther. It seems that there was a bit of restructuring of the portage tree for php. Mod_php seems to be built now when you install php, and not as a separate package. Ed From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 11:38:49 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jun 7 11:38:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: On 6/7/06, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Here is my quandry... > > I have held a number of jobs with job titles that have nothing to do > with tech. My current position is a media relations technician. People > see media relations and can't past that part to the next word. > > I'm not sure what to do except to manipulate the job title to reflect > what I do. > > That's the other part of my problem that maybe you guys can help me with... > > What I do is a number of things that the average tech does (like > fix/tweak things, resolve conflicts with software, ip's etc...), but I > also do things that a consultant does (like recommend hardware, > software, telecom, and other technologies), and I design and develop > web apps for internal use only (so they don't have to be pretty). I > also do a lot of other little things. > > Well I've come to the conclusion that it's time to look for a new job. > While I know what kind of company I would like to work for, I am > having a heck of a time getting noticed because no one can get beyond > my job titles and those that do...are offering me work way below my > skillset at pay that's well below what I am making now. > > I am versed in Linux (Debian mostly), PHP, MySQL, C++, Windows, > Windows Server, telephone systems, audio/video, satellite > uplink/downlink, and countless other areas. > > I just don't know how to break out of this rut. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? "Tech" is not the best place to make money. It is a labor of love. It is not easy. If it was easy then everyone would do it and we would all be making the Minimum Wage. You may be frustrated by the "key word" or "string" searches of your resumes. For online resumes, no human reads them until the "search" finds a match and posts it for human reading. Unknown "Job Titles" will never find a match. The "right" job experience may cause the "search" to recommend you to a human but the first human will be the least competent person to read your resume. When the "Job Titles" are not familiar to that human your resume will be trashed. What's the solution? Don't worry about "tagging" yourself. You will get it wrong. Let the market do it for you. Here is what I mean by that. When a job posting looks interesting, see how your skills match those in the job posting. If you don't get an 80% or better match consider it a long shot but still a chance. Most of the listed skills will be tied to specific product names. People really want those specific product name skills. Sometimes if you have competing products experience this can be substituted. If the employer knows about competing products. Don't give the employer too much credit. The broad skill sets of people who are true "Solution Providers", those who can define a problem, define a solution and implement it, are not in demand. This rare ability requires a great deal of non-specific knowledge. Mostly process. Outside of management positions there is no demand for these skills. The key factor in getting a job offer is "How you fit with the culture?". The key factor in getting to the interview, so your "fit with the culture" can be decided, is getting past the resume "search", getting past the first human, and having the hiring person see something they are looking for in your resume. So now you have this dilemma. Your skills march pretty good but you have "funny" job titles for your experience. Be Creative! Try to create job titles that sound like the job title you are applying for. The job titles should also show a progression over time. Like from "IT Admin" to "Senior IT Admin". This is the short version. The long version would be like "IT Admin Integration Technologist". These titles contain "valid" keyword and string "search" words. The fact they are meaningless has nothing to do with "How you play the game!" Titles are meaningless, once past the "search" process. It is the experience, and fitting with the culture, that count. If you are over 50 years of age this will be 100X harder. If you are over 60 years of age think about "re-inventing" yourself into what you wanted to be before you had to go to work and "make a living". There has been a lot of discussion about a job that was posted for, judging by the comments, a very low salary. If you are coming out of the military that is not a particularly low salary. If the original target audience for that job was military people then that salary is probably pretty accurate. Employers do not like to give large increases to unknown, unproven (in their shop) work abilities. And they will not contribute to "wage inflation" unless it is "politically correct". The typical increase for changing jobs is 10% minimum and 20% maximum for an average of 15% over your previous salary. I have been observing the job market closely since 2001. Salaries dipped to a low of about 50% of the pre-2001 peak and have now come back to the original peak plus some. If you are a Java programmer, the sky is the limit. Very similar to other "programming fads" over the years. From fhuddles at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 11:43:11 2006 From: fhuddles at yahoo.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Wed Jun 7 11:43:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card for ThinkPad Message-ID: <4487021F.1030504@yahoo.com> Greetings, I have an old IBM ThinkPad T20, currently running OpenSUSE 10.1, and I'd like to get a wireless network adapter for it. Does anyone have any particular make or model that they could recommend? Thanks, Frank Huddleston From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 11:52:01 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jun 7 11:52:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card for ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <4487021F.1030504@yahoo.com> References: <4487021F.1030504@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0606070952n53529038s672b1073ce49b323@mail.gmail.com> Frank, currently I use an Orinoco Classic. I know its old, but its quite good. I have also used a newer one, NetGear something (b/g) and it worked well. I think you can safely buy whatever you want now. If there's no Linux drivers, you can always use the NDIS wrapper which uses the Windows drivers for the card. On 6/7/06, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > I have an old IBM ThinkPad T20, currently running OpenSUSE 10.1, and > I'd like to get a wireless network adapter for it. Does anyone have any > particular make or model that they could recommend? > > Thanks, > > Frank Huddleston > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed Jun 7 11:56:10 2006 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed Jun 7 11:56:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card for ThinkPad Message-ID: <15ad126f52f04024b81e0c5dcb3aafe3.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Go to satlug.org  -> mailing list archives -> april / subject -> wireless card on notebook (post by Mark Mc Coy) There's lots of good answers there if you search correctly. ------- Original Message ------- > I have an old IBM ThinkPad T20, currently running OpenSUSE 10.1, and >I'd like to get a wireless network adapter for it. Does anyone have any >particular make or model that they could recommend? From satlugacct at jchampion.com Wed Jun 7 12:17:08 2006 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (satlugacct@jchampion.com) Date: Wed Jun 7 12:17:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <20060607121708.glzn8978ng2skoww@webmail.jchampion.com> Quoting Robert Pearson : > On 6/7/06, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Here is my quandry... >> >> I have held a number of jobs with job titles that have nothing to do >> with tech. My current position is a media relations technician. People >> see media relations and can't past that part to the next word. >> >> I'm not sure what to do except to manipulate the job title to reflect >> what I do. >> >> That's the other part of my problem that maybe you guys can help me with... >> >> What I do is a number of things that the average tech does (like >> fix/tweak things, resolve conflicts with software, ip's etc...), but I >> also do things that a consultant does (like recommend hardware, >> software, telecom, and other technologies), and I design and develop >> web apps for internal use only (so they don't have to be pretty). I >> also do a lot of other little things. >> >> Well I've come to the conclusion that it's time to look for a new job. >> While I know what kind of company I would like to work for, I am >> having a heck of a time getting noticed because no one can get beyond >> my job titles and those that do...are offering me work way below my >> skillset at pay that's well below what I am making now. >> >> I am versed in Linux (Debian mostly), PHP, MySQL, C++, Windows, >> Windows Server, telephone systems, audio/video, satellite >> uplink/downlink, and countless other areas. >> >> I just don't know how to break out of this rut. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? > > "Tech" is not the best place to make money. It is a labor of love. It is not > easy. If it was easy then everyone would do it and we would all be making > the Minimum Wage. > > You may be frustrated by the "key word" or "string" searches of your > resumes. For online resumes, no human reads them until the "search" > finds a match and posts it for human reading. Unknown "Job Titles" > will never find a match. The "right" job experience may cause the "search" > to recommend you to a human but the first human will be the least > competent person to read your resume. When the "Job Titles" are not > familiar to that human your resume will be trashed. > > What's the solution? > Don't worry about "tagging" yourself. You will get it wrong. Let the > market do it for you. Here is what I mean by that. > When a job posting looks interesting, see how your skills match those > in the job posting. If you don't get an 80% or better match consider it > a long shot but still a chance. > Most of the listed skills will be tied to specific product names. People > really want those specific product name skills. Sometimes if you have > competing products experience this can be substituted. If the > employer knows about competing products. Don't give the employer > too much credit. The broad skill sets of people who are true "Solution > Providers", those who can define a problem, define a solution and > implement it, are not in demand. This rare ability requires a great > deal of non-specific knowledge. Mostly process. > Outside of management positions there is no demand for these skills. > > The key factor in getting a job offer is "How you fit with the culture?". > The key factor in getting to the interview, so your "fit with the culture" > can be decided, is getting past the resume "search", getting past the > first human, and having the hiring person see something they are > looking for in your resume. > > So now you have this dilemma. Your skills march pretty good but you > have "funny" job titles for your experience. Be Creative! Try to create > job titles that sound like the job title you are applying for. The job titles > should also show a progression over time. Like from "IT Admin" to > "Senior IT Admin". This is the short version. The long version would be > like "IT Admin Integration Technologist". > These titles contain "valid" keyword and string "search" words. > The fact they are meaningless has nothing to do with "How you play > the game!" > Titles are meaningless, once past the "search" process. It is the > experience, and fitting with the culture, that count. > > If you are over 50 years of age this will be 100X harder. If you are > over 60 years of age think about "re-inventing" yourself into what you > wanted to be before you had to go to work and "make a living". > > There has been a lot of discussion about a job that was posted for, > judging by the comments, a very low salary. If you are coming out > of the military that is not a particularly low salary. If the original target > audience for that job was military people then that salary is probably > pretty accurate. Employers do not like to give large increases to > unknown, unproven (in their shop) work abilities. And they will not > contribute to "wage inflation" unless it is "politically correct". The > typical increase for changing jobs is 10% minimum and 20% maximum > for an average of 15% over your previous salary. > > I have been observing the job market closely since 2001. > Salaries dipped to a low of about 50% of the pre-2001 peak and > have now come back to the original peak plus some. If you are a > Java programmer, the sky is the limit. Very similar to other > "programming fads" over the years. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) wow robert, nice reply. thank you. so basically, it is ethical to manipulate job titles? i have tried to do things aboveboard but realize that sometimes you have to be "creative" in order to get things done. i am under 50 but just a shade over 40. i have a plethora of skills in IT, TV, Music, Telecom, electrical, carpentry, masonry, you name it...just no plumbing. i can program in most languages but have always held java as a fad language until a couple of months ago when i saw how deeply embedded it was into oracle. now i've had a change of heart and have gone about learning to write in java. but to be honest most OOP languages seem to be quite similar. however, i really would love the opportunity to be the lone tech at a small office/startup somewhere. someplace where i would have to do everything. that's what i am good at. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 12:45:09 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Jun 7 12:45:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <20060607121708.glzn8978ng2skoww@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <20060607174509.98498.qmail@web54305.mail.yahoo.com> --- satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Quoting Robert Pearson : > wow robert, nice reply. thank you. yep..good reply. Just apply at whatever position you feel you have skills in. Once you're at the interview, sell yourself. Just start looking on Monster.. thats what I did for about a year until I started w/my current employer. If you find a job that pays a little less then what you want, but will add to your skillset..maybe its a good opportunity to take a chance on. -alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rct at gherkin.frus.com Wed Jun 7 12:57:29 2006 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Wed Jun 7 12:57:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <20060607121708.glzn8978ng2skoww@webmail.jchampion.com> "from satlugacct@jchampion.com at Jun 7, 2006 12:17:08 pm" Message-ID: <20060607175729.3C327DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > so basically, it is ethical to manipulate job titles? i have tried to > do things aboveboard but realize that sometimes you have to be > "creative" in order to get things done. Here are a few resume-writing principles I've successfully learned and applied over the past 2+ decades of being out in the working world: (1) Resume length: pay the most attention to a one-page version of your working life. If you think you can't say what needs saying in a single page, try again. Most resume "scanners" won't get beyond the first page, so spend your time and effort where it matters most. (2) Outright lies are verboten, but you are NOT responsible for the incorrect conclusions a resume reader might draw from what you write. Your first objective is to get past the gatekeeper using any and all ethical means at your disposal. The interview is your chance (and obligation) to correct any misunderstandings about what is in your resume, assuming you are made aware of any. (3) Spelling matters! Lack of attention to what you may consider a minor detail reflects poorly on you. You are implying to the reader that you are potentially sloppy in your work habits as well. (4) In recent years, choice of font and size have become more of an issue. The overall principle is attention to presentation details. Resume books used to worry about things like pica vs. elite, the rag content and color of cotton bond paper, and so forth. Even for an electronic resume, format matters. Consider whether your resume might still be readable after being passed through a fax machine and maybe as a fifth-generation copy (no kidding!). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From yatinhat at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 13:00:40 2006 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Wed Jun 7 13:00:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Low paying tech jobs advertised in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20060607163902.2EC4043CC95@satlug.org> Message-ID: <20060607180040.5924.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> > Mary Yatti wrote: > > I am self-employed tech professional and mostly > work > > when I want to. Around noon each day, I take a > dip in > > the pool, sun myself until dry then go back to > work > > happy and refreshed. > > > > It would be a hardship for me to have to work for > > $35,000 yearly and live in San Antonio. > > > On behalf of the whole group here, I would like to > say 1) that you suck, > and I hate you [tongue in cheek], and 2) that I hope > to be in the same > position soon [which, I guess means I am going to > need to put in a pool]. > > What do you do that allows for such a (strenuous) > lifestyle? > > ~Nate Nate, I work smarter not harder. I do a lot of things but am narrowing it down to what I'm good at. I don't own a pool..but I belong to a nearby resort that has a nice pool for doing laps. Don't be jealous..sometimes I miss having coffee with real people. I live in rural bandera and to kill time..I make money using skills I learned on my own or at San Antonio College: Linux Apache MySQL PHP (LAMP, WAMP), Java and Perl. I also manage a farm..we grow cotton. I have good financial planning skills and make my money work for me and not the other way around. I credit my parents for teaching me the value of money. Gotta go. Mary From vern.davis at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 13:19:20 2006 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Wed Jun 7 13:19:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <20060607175729.3C327DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20060607121708.glzn8978ng2skoww@webmail.jchampion.com> <20060607175729.3C327DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <5ef09f10606071119g6ff5b40o15fa780d948ea23a@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/06, Bob Tracy wrote: > (2) Outright lies are verboten, but you are NOT responsible for the > incorrect conclusions a resume reader might draw from what you write. > Your first objective is to get past the gatekeeper using any and all > ethical means at your disposal. The interview is your chance (and > obligation) to correct any misunderstandings about what is in your > resume, assuming you are made aware of any. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Hmmmmm - that sounds very much like the way most of the gummint employees at Brooks got their jobs... -- vern.davis@gmail.com From pholland64 at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 13:58:33 2006 From: pholland64 at gmail.com (Peter Holland) Date: Wed Jun 7 13:58:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter Holland wants to chat Message-ID: <2c3c1c6f0606071158x3a5fd65fn@mail.gmail.com> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Holland wants to stay in better touch using some of Google's coolest new products. 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From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 7 15:01:34 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Wed Jun 7 15:01:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter Holland wants to chat In-Reply-To: <2c3c1c6f0606071158x3a5fd65fn@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c3c1c6f0606071158x3a5fd65fn@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4572.209.30.11.81.1149710494.squirrel@209.30.11.81> "Peter Holland wants to chat" fyi, I charge $3.99/minute. e From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 15:05:43 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Jun 7 15:06:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter Holland wants to chat In-Reply-To: <4572.209.30.11.81.1149710494.squirrel@209.30.11.81> References: <2c3c1c6f0606071158x3a5fd65fn@mail.gmail.com> <4572.209.30.11.81.1149710494.squirrel@209.30.11.81> Message-ID: <44873197.9060305@gmail.com> Eli Cantu wrote: > "Peter Holland wants to chat" > > fyi, I charge $3.99/minute. > > e ??? From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 7 15:24:19 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Wed Jun 7 15:25:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter Holland wants to chat In-Reply-To: <4572.209.30.11.81.1149710494.squirrel@209.30.11.81> References: <2c3c1c6f0606071158x3a5fd65fn@mail.gmail.com> <4572.209.30.11.81.1149710494.squirrel@209.30.11.81> Message-ID: <448735F3.3020407@satx.rr.com> Eli Cantu wrote: >"Peter Holland wants to chat" > >fyi, I charge $3.99/minute. > >e > > > Now THAT's funny, I don't care who you are! -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." ?Theodore Roosevelt From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 16:28:56 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jun 7 16:29:02 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <20060607121708.glzn8978ng2skoww@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> <20060607121708.glzn8978ng2skoww@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: On 6/7/06, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Quoting Robert Pearson : [...snip...] > wow robert, nice reply. thank you. > > so basically, it is ethical to manipulate job titles? i have tried to > do things aboveboard but realize that sometimes you have to be > "creative" in order to get things done. Some people feel you put your real title down and make your point in the "selling of yourself" by telling "what you did" and "how you did it" to prove you are qualified for the job. If this will get you by "search" engines, then Great! Be aware that employers are not required by law to be truthful or ethical. Employers frequently "mis-inform" in job descriptions. They refer to it as a "clerical error", "mis-communication" or "We already filled that job, we're trying to fill this job now". Sometimes referred to as "Bait and switch". The worst is when they don't really have a job they are just "trolling" for resumes or "posting" the job to satisfy the legal "posting" requirement because they are promoting someone internally or using job ads in the Sunday paper to try and keep the stock price high. So you don't always start with a level playing field. It is ethical to establish communication with an employer when there is a language or terminology barrier. Like "search" engines. Once in the interview you must remember the job title you gave and what it means in terms of "how you can help them". Therefore it is better to keep it short and sweet. An example is the title "Network Administrator". In the Linux/Unix (*nix) world this is a person who only works on networks. And requires, at a minimum, the CCNP certification. In the Windows world the "Network Administrator" works on the network, servers, desktops, applications and anything else that is needed. Only in very large shops do they get to specialize. The minimum certifications, for the Windows world, are the MCSE and the CCNP (maybe MCSA and CCNA). > >> "My current position is a media relations technician." How about "Data, Audio/Video, Apps, Voice Network Administrator"? Anybody have a problem with that? For further "Title" background and qualifications go to: <> and type in Network Administrator and read the job descriptions. For a "real job" search use Craigslist: <> Be creative with the search string. You could simply enter your line below in the "search" window: > IT, TV, Music, Telecom, electrical, carpentry, masonry in Craigslist and see what you get... > i am under 50 but just a shade over 40. i have a plethora of skills in > IT, TV, Music, Telecom, electrical, carpentry, masonry, you name > it...just no plumbing. > > i can program in most languages but have always held java as a fad > language until a couple of months ago when i saw how deeply embedded > it was into oracle. now i've had a change of heart and have gone about > learning to write in java. > > but to be honest most OOP languages seem to be quite similar. > > however, i really would love the opportunity to be the lone tech at a > small office/startup somewhere. someplace where i would have to do > everything. The "career" approach is to research all the companies in your target area to find the ones that have jobs, may have jobs soon and are growing. This is not hard to do. It just takes time. Once you have selected the companies of interest to you, try to get the name(s) of someone working there. Contact them arrange for an "Informational Interview". No magic here. If you have done your research on the company they will be flattered that you want to talk with them about the company and about your mutual interest. The mutual interest is "What you can do for them!". Think in terms of "How can I help this company?". From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed Jun 7 18:53:47 2006 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed Jun 7 18:53:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter Holland wants to chat Message-ID: <01abd9a557b047c09f7f80275eea4320.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >From : pixelnate[mailto:pixelnate@gmail.com] <<< snip >>> Eli Cantu wrote: >> "Peter Holland wants to chat" >> >> fyi, I charge $3.99/minute. >> >> e > >??? ------------------------------------------------ >>> --> $3.99 X 60 = $239.40 an hour (Eli's Rate) ------------------------------------------------ I occasionally do things free (if I like the person or they're in dire straits) and tell them they really couldn't afford me (if I charged them). A little pro-bono now and then doesn't hurt and is good for the psyche. From eli at then7.com Wed Jun 7 19:06:47 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Wed Jun 7 19:07:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter Holland wants to chat In-Reply-To: <01abd9a557b047c09f7f80275eea4320.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <01abd9a557b047c09f7f80275eea4320.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <1205.70.196.181.165.1149725207.squirrel@70.196.181.165> > ------------------------------------------------ >>>> --> $3.99 X 60 = $239.40 an hour (Eli's Rate) > ------------------------------------------------ > I occasionally do things free (if I like the person or they're in dire > straits) and tell them they really couldn't afford me (if I charged them). > > A little pro-bono now and then doesn't hurt and is good for the psyche. lol! e From koflanagan at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 7 22:19:30 2006 From: koflanagan at satx.rr.com (Kevin Flanagan) Date: Wed Jun 7 22:20:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter Holland wants to chat In-Reply-To: <448735F3.3020407@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c68aaa$5c5a4110$0a01a8c0@frontporch.lan> LoL right... -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Thompson Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:24 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Peter Holland wants to chat Eli Cantu wrote: >"Peter Holland wants to chat" > >fyi, I charge $3.99/minute. > >e > > > Now THAT's funny, I don't care who you are! -- "To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing." -Theodore Roosevelt -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/357 - Release Date: 6/6/2006 From channing-c at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 8 08:12:10 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Thu Jun 8 08:12:14 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Entry Level IT Positions Message-ID: <4488222A.5040301@satx.rr.com> Hey All! I had someone ask yesterday if I knew of any entry-level IT positions. I think they were specifically interested in Help Desk, or A+ work. Does anyone have any leads? It's OK to send your response directly to me if you wish to avoid publicizing to the list what you know. Thanks for your time, Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From Jason.George at valero.com Thu Jun 8 10:53:09 2006 From: Jason.George at valero.com (George, Jason) Date: Thu Jun 8 10:53:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux like MAC... Message-ID: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> Fellow SATLUG Crew- I have a friend whose considering purchasing a MAC. He's had a very sour Windows experience (who hasn't) and wants to make the switch. Myself- I'm a linux n00b, but I've switched to using Kubuntu full time and I'm very impressed with the distro. I've convinced him to give it a shot and he's providing me with a PC to install it on so he can test drive. Here's where I need SATLUG's help: Is there a killer video editing app available on the Linux platform that's an equivalent to or better than iMovie? He also likes the MAC's Internet controls that restrict which sites a user can visit. Does FireFox or have the same capabilities (because I couldn't find any)? He's main concern is ease of use and he like how apps on the MAC are integrated. He does computer stuff during the day and doesn't want to have to mess with his home PC- he just wants it to work. While MACs are greatly over-priced, to him its worth the cost NOT to have to deal with Microsoft's constant patching, virus threats, blue-screens, reboots, etc. I think the ease-of-use could be a problem with Kubuntu. While it works, I had a heck of time installing the latest java run time environment. I don't think he wants to go through that routine. Any advice or input is greatly appreciated. -JG From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Jun 8 10:58:47 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Jun 8 10:58:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux like MAC... In-Reply-To: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> Message-ID: <20060608155847.3808.qmail@web54315.mail.yahoo.com> I didnt take a good look at iMovie, but I've done some vid clips of my race car with MainActor under Linux...very good application and worth the money to register. I used Audacity to put together a audio clip that I'm going to incorporate into my next vid of my car.. good combination. -Alex --- "George, Jason" wrote: > Fellow SATLUG Crew- > > I have a friend whose considering purchasing a MAC. > He's had a very > sour Windows experience (who hasn't) and wants to > make the switch. > Myself- I'm a linux n00b, but I've switched to using > Kubuntu full time > and I'm very impressed with the distro. I've > convinced him to give it a > shot and he's providing me with a PC to install it > on so he can test > drive. > > Here's where I need SATLUG's help: > > Is there a killer video editing app available on the > Linux platform > that's an equivalent to or better than iMovie? He > also likes the MAC's > Internet controls that restrict which sites a user > can visit. Does > FireFox or have the same capabilities (because I > couldn't find any)? > > He's main concern is ease of use and he like how > apps on the MAC are > integrated. He does computer stuff during the day > and doesn't want to > have to mess with his home PC- he just wants it to > work. While MACs are > greatly over-priced, to him its worth the cost NOT > to have to deal with > Microsoft's constant patching, virus threats, > blue-screens, reboots, > etc. I think the ease-of-use could be a problem > with Kubuntu. While it > works, I had a heck of time installing the latest > java run time > environment. I don't think he wants to go through > that routine. Any > advice or input is greatly appreciated. -JG > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 11:13:51 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jun 8 11:13:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux like MAC... In-Reply-To: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> Message-ID: <44884CBF.5090809@gmail.com> George, Jason wrote: > Fellow SATLUG Crew- > > I have a friend whose considering purchasing a MAC. He's had a very > sour Windows experience (who hasn't) and wants to make the switch. > Myself- I'm a linux n00b, but I've switched to using Kubuntu full time > and I'm very impressed with the distro. I've convinced him to give it a > shot and he's providing me with a PC to install it on so he can test > drive. > > Here's where I need SATLUG's help: > > Is there a killer video editing app available on the Linux platform > that's an equivalent to or better than iMovie Diva will be there some day. It is a Mono app for Gnome that is meant for the iMovie crowd. (http://diva-project.org/) Jokosher is a GarageBand type of app written in Python, again aimed at Gnome. (http://www.jokosher.org/) Jashaka is a really cool video editor/compositor that is available for most platforms. (http://jahshaka.org/) Both projects are in early beta stage, but look promising. > He also likes the MAC's > Internet controls that restrict which sites a user can visit. Does > FireFox or have the same capabilities (because I couldn't find any)? > > He's main concern is ease of use and he like how apps on the MAC are > integrated. Well, that's the rub. Apple has the best complete desktop integration anywhere. > He does computer stuff during the day and doesn't want to > have to mess with his home PC- he just wants it to work. While MACs are > greatly over-priced, That is a matter of opinion. While the price of admission does seem a bit high, what you get for the money makes it a fair buy. If you make use of their iLife apps regularly (i.e. iMovie, GarageBand), and the other bundled apps, you certainly are getting what you are paying for. > to him its worth the cost NOT to have to deal with > Microsoft's constant patching, Apple 'puters have their share of patches, too. > virus threats, blue-screens, reboots, > etc. Have you ever had a kernel panic? I push my Macs really hard, and on occasion (4 occasions in the last 5 years, actually) you can get a kernel panic. Although lockups are rare, they do happen with the Mac. Only once have I gotten a kernel panic using linux. > I think the ease-of-use could be a problem with Kubuntu. While it > works, I had a heck of time installing the latest java run time > environment. I don't think he wants to go through that routine. Any > advice or input is greatly appreciated. -JG > I think as long as you keep the ubuntuforums.org site bookmarked (and visit often), any noob can get a handle on using (K)Ubuntu. That said, there are things that are very difficult in linux, like desktop publishing and Flash development. Come to think of it, that is about the only thing that isn't very good on linux yet. That is the only reason I am still (mainly) a Mac guy. Well, that and the fact that getting the friggin' nVidia driver working is a pain. That said, I could go either way. Once Adobe finally bring the CS suite to linux, I might switch totally to linux. Until then, linux is just for fun (for me). Why do you want to stop your friend from buying a Mac? ~Nate From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 11:23:41 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jun 8 11:23:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux like MAC... In-Reply-To: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0606080923qbe07812n13c6e28e00abbd6b@mail.gmail.com> Jason, I've been using a dual G4 Mac for years now with YellowDog and Gentoo. I find Linux on the Mac is a LOT faster than OS X. The cool thing about using a Mac is Mac On Linux. It runs OS X natively in a window like Vmware, but its not emulated, its native. > Is there a killer video editing app available on the Linux platform > that's an equivalent to or better than iMovie? He also likes the MAC's > Internet controls that restrict which sites a user can visit. Does > FireFox or have the same capabilities (because I couldn't find any)? As for video, I use all kinds of programs. Kino, Main Actor and Cinelerra. Kino is a little buggy and confusing, but once you know the program it works very well. -- Jeremy From chmims at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 13:11:11 2006 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Jun 8 13:11:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux like MAC... In-Reply-To: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580606081111w670da351y3c53bcb398bb7828@mail.gmail.com> Realistically, if you friend's criteria is easy of use and integration of applications the way for him to go is a Mac (and OS X really is Unix underneath). I have both a desktop running Linux and an iBook and although there is much to like about Linux when it comes to his criteria the Mac is the way to go. On 6/8/06, George, Jason wrote: > > Fellow SATLUG Crew- > > I have a friend whose considering purchasing a MAC. He's had a very > sour Windows experience (who hasn't) and wants to make the switch. > Myself- I'm a linux n00b, but I've switched to using Kubuntu full time > and I'm very impressed with the distro. I've convinced him to give it a > shot and he's providing me with a PC to install it on so he can test > drive. > > Here's where I need SATLUG's help: > > Is there a killer video editing app available on the Linux platform > that's an equivalent to or better than iMovie? He also likes the MAC's > Internet controls that restrict which sites a user can visit. Does > FireFox or have the same capabilities (because I couldn't find any)? > > He's main concern is ease of use and he like how apps on the MAC are > integrated. He does computer stuff during the day and doesn't want to > have to mess with his home PC- he just wants it to work. While MACs are > greatly over-priced, to him its worth the cost NOT to have to deal with > Microsoft's constant patching, virus threats, blue-screens, reboots, > etc. I think the ease-of-use could be a problem with Kubuntu. While it > works, I had a heck of time installing the latest java run time > environment. I don't think he wants to go through that routine. Any > advice or input is greatly appreciated. -JG > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From emon at nerdshack.com Thu Jun 8 13:18:49 2006 From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon) Date: Thu Jun 8 13:22:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: In-Reply-To: <44884CBF.5090809@gmail.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> <44884CBF.5090809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44886A09.7020504@nerdshack.com> On 06/08/2006 10:13 PM, pixelnate wrote: That is the only reason I > am still (mainly) a Mac guy. Well, that and the fact that getting the > friggin' nVidia driver working is a pain. > Hi Nate I am no power user who pushes his PC to the limit, just a newbie running Slackware10.2 :-) My graphic card is an old GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x with 64MB memory. Nvidia driver has been running like charm (with default settings); but then again my definition of charm may be different as (being a newbie) I am not very hard to please :-) If I am not asking too much, then can you mention what problems you are facing with nVidida drivers?? Thanks Emon From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 13:24:57 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jun 8 13:24:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux like MAC... In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580606081111w670da351y3c53bcb398bb7828@mail.gmail.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> <9e4edf580606081111w670da351y3c53bcb398bb7828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606081124h495c584bk749d45d32b5e168@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/06, Charles Mims wrote: > Realistically, if you friend's criteria is easy of use and integration of > applications > the way for him to go is a Mac (and OS X really is Unix underneath). I have > both a desktop running Linux and an iBook and although there is much to like > about Linux when it comes to his criteria the Mac is the way to go. Apple has got their game down when it comes to ease of use and tight integration of OS with hardware, etc. I play with my wife's MacBook pro from time to time and it's pretty sweet. Fire up a terminal, and all the familiar bash tools are right there at your fingertips. The filesystem is very intuitive and easy to understand, all user-level data is stored in /Users, user application data stays in ~/Library, etc. Installing new packages is as easy as copying a folder onto your hard drive. I switched her from Windows to Mac in less than a day, and moving her Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox profiles was accomplished quite easily with rsync. In one sense it's got the best of both worlds - very polished and easy to use desktop interface, but plenty of Unix power under the hood for more advanced users. And Macs can play World of Warcraft - woohoo! A couple other nice touches: 1. Easy filesystem encryption. I encrpted my home folder with the "FileVault" utility. Three clicks, wait 15 minutes for the home folder to be encrypted and it was done. On neither Linux or Windows is this such an easy task. 2. Laptop keyboard lights up when the room is dark 3. Plugging external monitors and changing resolutions, etc. can all easily be done on the fly without logging out or rebooting. The downsides - Macs are a bit more expensive, and still proprietary. But if your friend is more concerned with ease of use than the license or level of "freedom" that the software offers, I'd also have to say go with the Mac. Lately I've been telling everyone who asks me for free tech support to get a Mac. They are much easier for me to troubleshoot than a Windows box, yet easy to use and have all the apps that end-users are accustomed to these days. Sean From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 13:34:02 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jun 8 13:34:02 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: In-Reply-To: <44886A09.7020504@nerdshack.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> <44884CBF.5090809@gmail.com> <44886A09.7020504@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <44886D9A.2060100@gmail.com> Emon wrote: > On 06/08/2006 10:13 PM, pixelnate wrote: > That is the only reason I > >> am still (mainly) a Mac guy. Well, that and the fact that getting the >> friggin' nVidia driver working is a pain. >> Nvidia driver has been running like charm (with default settings); but >> then again my definition of charm may be different as (being a newbie) I >> am not very hard to please :-) >> >> If I am not asking too much, then can you mention what problems you are >> facing with nVidida drivers?? >> The problem is that I did an apt-get dist-upgrade from Ubuntu Breezy to Dapper, and it broke the driver I had installed. To install the nVidia driver (from nVidia, not the old driver from the repos) you must take your X manager down and install from the command line, and edit the xorg.conf file. Well, something went wrong and now the screen is offset .5" to the left. I know there is a way to fix it (there has to be, it's linux), but I haven't had the time to fiddle with it since the upgrade. That is the only thing about linux that kind of bugs me, the fiddling. Fiddling to get this working or that upgraded. Of course it is one of the things that is also great about linux. You *can* fiddle with it if you are doing something that is not 'standard.' I just wish that fiddling was more of an "opt-in" situation. ;^) ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 13:38:04 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jun 8 13:38:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux like MAC... In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606081124h495c584bk749d45d32b5e168@mail.gmail.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> <9e4edf580606081111w670da351y3c53bcb398bb7828@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0606081124h495c584bk749d45d32b5e168@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44886E8C.2060703@gmail.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > > Lately I've been telling everyone who asks me for free tech support to > get a Mac. They are much easier for me to troubleshoot than a Windows > box, yet easy to use and have all the apps that end-users are > accustomed to these days. Good on ya. And once they get familiar with the Terminal, they are ready to "move up" to linux. Well, if they don't need to do any publishing. ~Nate From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Thu Jun 8 14:38:46 2006 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Thu Jun 8 14:38:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux like MAC... Message-ID: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F560506473D@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> Extensions are your friend here. I have Firefox running on a public pc at a condo we own and have several extensions for this sort of thing. First install the adblock and adblock filter set. Then install the ProCon extension at https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1803/ or, for older versions of Firefox try Blockxxx at https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/226/ , these allow you to add blocked sites via a password protected list in the settings area. Hope this helps. Art Sexton >He also likes the MAC's Internet controls that restrict which sites a user can visit. Does FireFox or have the same capabilities >(because I couldn't find any)? ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From koflanagan at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 8 15:32:43 2006 From: koflanagan at satx.rr.com (koflanagan@satx.rr.com) Date: Thu Jun 8 15:32:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F560506473D@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> References: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F560506473D@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: Just to give you guys a run down, we're using Tivoli for our Houston site and ArcServ for our SA site. Problem is we are trying to phase away from Tivoli and move things off to ArcServ. We have two AIX 5.1 systems that are clustered and they run various scripts to do hotbackups for our Oracle databases. Right now the scripts push the hotbackups straight to tape. ArcServ on the other hand only pulls from the server, the agents or clients can't push. (or that's what CA said) My idea is to setup an NFS server on our W2k3 so that the scripts can push to the server and ArcServ can backup the data locally from there. Do you guys know of any light weight free software for this? I would use a linux box, but then we would be pushing to the linux box, then pulling from the linux box to the w2k3 server. The switches at this site aren't the greatest and aren't spread out right. (another project) So when we do backups at night the network slows down ALOT. So the less trafic I take up the better. Any ideas? I've thought about setting up samba on the two aix boxes, but we don't have enough disk space available to push the hotbackups to. We are working with EMC to maybe add more disk space or get a different unit since we are using Symetrix and those are hard for us to maintaine. (not a spelling B champ). From emon at nerdshack.com Thu Jun 8 15:45:08 2006 From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon) Date: Thu Jun 8 15:45:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: In-Reply-To: <44886D9A.2060100@gmail.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> <44884CBF.5090809@gmail.com> <44886A09.7020504@nerdshack.com> <44886D9A.2060100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44888C54.8090400@nerdshack.com> On 06/09/2006 12:34 AM, pixelnate wrote: > The problem is that I did an apt-get dist-upgrade from Ubuntu Breezy to > Dapper, and it broke the driver I had installed. To install the nVidia > driver (from nVidia, not the old driver from the repos) you must take > your X manager down and install from the command line, and edit the > xorg.conf file. Well, something went wrong and now the screen is offset > .5" to the left. > > I know there is a way to fix it (there has to be, it's linux), but I > haven't had the time to fiddle with it since the upgrade. That is the > only thing about linux that kind of bugs me, the fiddling. Fiddling to > get this working or that upgraded. Of course it is one of the things > that is also great about linux. You *can* fiddle with it if you are > doing something that is not 'standard.' > > I just wish that fiddling was more of an "opt-in" situation. ;^) Humm... I had this exact same problem, the screen used to be off center (to the left or the right.. can't remember); I even forgot how I fixed it :-P probably after installing the official driver it was automatically fixed, but in you case it seems to be the opposite. Anyway I found this link, it might be helpful http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-30323.html All the best Emon From channing-c at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 8 15:49:10 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Thu Jun 8 15:49:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: References: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F560506473D@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <44888D46.1060008@satx.rr.com> koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > Just to give you guys a run down, we're using Tivoli for our Houston > site and ArcServ for our SA site. Problem is we are trying to phase > away from Tivoli and move things off to ArcServ. We have two AIX 5.1 > systems that are clustered and they run various scripts to do > hotbackups for our Oracle databases. Right now the scripts push the > hotbackups straight to tape. ArcServ on the other hand only pulls from > the server, the agents or clients can't push. (or that's what CA said) > My idea is to setup an NFS server on our W2k3 so that the scripts can > push to the server and ArcServ can backup the data locally from there. > Do you guys know of any light weight free software for this? I would > use a linux box, but then we would be pushing to the linux box, then > pulling from the linux box to the w2k3 server. The switches at this > site aren't the greatest and aren't spread out right. (another project) > So when we do backups at night the network slows down ALOT. So the > less trafic I take > up the better. Any ideas? I've thought about setting up samba on the > two aix boxes, but we don't have enough disk space available to push > the hotbackups to. We are working with EMC to maybe add more disk > space or get a different unit since we are using Symetrix and those are > hard for us to maintaine. (not a spelling B champ). > > > You could share a directory on the w2k3 server that was mountable by your AIX servers and drop things there. Granted SMB is not the easiest protocol on the network. :( HTH, Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Jun 8 16:02:43 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Jun 8 16:02:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] weird question to post to the group (Wanted: DDR RAM) In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580606081111w670da351y3c53bcb398bb7828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060608210243.38857.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> anyone have any PC2100-PC2700 DDR ram for sale? dont want altex/aaicomputers/fry's because its cheaper online but then again if it doesnt work I have to send it back/exchange etc.. I'm in S.A. Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jun 8 16:21:53 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jun 8 16:22:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] samba docs have a good description of MS networking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448894F1.9010107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Travis H. wrote: > If you're like me and always found MS networking to be a bit > perplexing, check out: > http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/SambaIntro.html > > Incidentally, it's amazing how firewall-unfriendly and broadcast-crazy > SMB is. I rarely allow subnet-directed broadcasts in through packet > filters (which I use between internal hosts too), but the noise > generated by SMB makes it such that I'm either going to have to, or > implement some kind of data-reduction tech to get rid of it... You mean, something like: Jun 8 16:00:43 w5omr smbd[7275]: [2006/06/08 16:00:43, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(575) Jun 8 16:00:43 w5omr smbd[7275]: Can't become connected user! Jun 8 16:00:46 w5omr smbd[7275]: [2006/06/08 16:00:46, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(575) Jun 8 16:00:46 w5omr smbd[7275]: Can't become connected user! Jun 8 16:04:07 w5omr syslog-ng[4502]: STATS: dropped 88 Jun 8 16:04:16 w5omr smbd[6170]: [2006/06/08 16:04:16, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_cache_reload(85) Jun 8 16:04:16 w5omr smbd[6170]: Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost - Connection refused Jun 8 16:04:16 w5omr smbd[6170]: [2006/06/08 16:04:16, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_cache_reload(85) Jun 8 16:04:16 w5omr smbd[6170]: Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost - Connection refused Jun 8 16:07:26 w5omr nmbd[4591]: [2006/06/08 16:07:26, 0] nmbd/nmbd_browsesync.c:find_domain_master_name_query_fail(353) Jun 8 16:07:26 w5omr nmbd[4591]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: Jun 8 16:07:26 w5omr nmbd[4591]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name TUX-NET<1b> for the workgroup TUX-NET. Jun 8 16:07:26 w5omr nmbd[4591]: Unable to sync browse lists in this workgroup. Jun 8 16:09:46 w5omr smbd[7275]: [2006/06/08 16:09:46, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_cache_reload(85) Jun 8 16:09:46 w5omr smbd[7275]: Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost - Connection refused Jun 8 16:09:46 w5omr smbd[7275]: [2006/06/08 16:09:46, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_cache_reload(85) Jun 8 16:09:46 w5omr smbd[7275]: Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost - Connection refused Jun 8 16:12:48 w5omr smbd[7275]: [2006/06/08 16:12:48, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(575) Jun 8 16:12:48 w5omr smbd[7275]: Can't become connected user! Jun 8 16:12:50 w5omr smbd[7275]: [2006/06/08 16:12:50, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(575) Jun 8 16:12:50 w5omr smbd[7275]: Can't become connected user! Jun 8 16:17:16 w5omr smbd[6170]: [2006/06/08 16:17:16, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_cache_reload(85) Jun 8 16:17:16 w5omr smbd[6170]: Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost - Connection refused Jun 8 16:17:16 w5omr smbd[6170]: [2006/06/08 16:17:16, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_cache_reload(85) Jun 8 16:17:16 w5omr smbd[6170]: Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost - Connection refused /var/log/messages lines 41336-41400/41400 (END) keeping in mind, I've been gone from the house for the last hour. Samba bothers the hell outta me, too... eats up a lot of disk-space with all this being logged... I never installed 'CUPS', nor did I ever tell it to try to connect to it, either. Go figure. -- Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR From koflanagan at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 8 17:04:58 2006 From: koflanagan at satx.rr.com (koflanagan@satx.rr.com) Date: Thu Jun 8 17:05:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: <44888D46.1060008@satx.rr.com> References: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F560506473D@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> <44888D46.1060008@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Yeah I have thought about that, and I do have samba running on our AIX test box. I can create share but not mount them. I'm going to look through IBM's website to make sure. ----- Original Message ----- From: Channing Date: Thursday, June 8, 2006 3:49 pm Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > > Just to give you guys a run down, we're using Tivoli for our > Houston > > site and ArcServ for our SA site. Problem is we are trying to > phase > > away from Tivoli and move things off to ArcServ. We have two > AIX 5.1 > > systems that are clustered and they run various scripts to do > > hotbackups for our Oracle databases. Right now the scripts push > the > > hotbackups straight to tape. ArcServ on the other hand only > pulls from > > the server, the agents or clients can't push. (or that's what CA > said) > > My idea is to setup an NFS server on our W2k3 so that the > scripts can > > push to the server and ArcServ can backup the data locally from > there. > > Do you guys know of any light weight free software for this? I > would > > use a linux box, but then we would be pushing to the linux box, > then > > pulling from the linux box to the w2k3 server. The switches at > this > > site aren't the greatest and aren't spread out right. (another > project) > > So when we do backups at night the network slows down ALOT. So > the > > less trafic I take > > up the better. Any ideas? I've thought about setting up samba > on the > > two aix boxes, but we don't have enough disk space available to > push > > the hotbackups to. We are working with EMC to maybe add more > disk > > space or get a different unit since we are using Symetrix and > those are > > hard for us to maintaine. (not a spelling B champ). > > > > > > > You could share a directory on the w2k3 server that was mountable > by > your AIX servers and drop things there. Granted SMB is not the > easiest > protocol on the network. :( > > HTH, > Channing > > -- > A: Yes. > > Q: Are you sure? > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From koflanagan at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 8 17:21:00 2006 From: koflanagan at satx.rr.com (koflanagan@satx.rr.com) Date: Thu Jun 8 17:21:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: References: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F560506473D@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> <44888D46.1060008@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: AIX does support cifs, but i need bos.cifs_fs.rte. So now I have to find the download which will probably be the hard part. That's if they have the bos.cifs_fs.rte for AIX 5.1 and upgrading isn't an option :( Anyone hiring?!?!? lol ----- Original Message ----- From: koflanagan@satx.rr.com Date: Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Yeah I have thought about that, and I do have samba running on our > AIX > test box. I can create share but not mount them. I'm going to > look > through IBM's website to make sure. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Channing > Date: Thursday, June 8, 2006 3:49 pm > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > > > Just to give you guys a run down, we're using Tivoli for our > > Houston > > > site and ArcServ for our SA site. Problem is we are trying to > > phase > > > away from Tivoli and move things off to ArcServ. We have two > > AIX 5.1 > > > systems that are clustered and they run various scripts to do > > > hotbackups for our Oracle databases. Right now the scripts > push > > the > > > hotbackups straight to tape. ArcServ on the other hand only > > pulls from > > > the server, the agents or clients can't push. (or that's what > CA > > said) > > > My idea is to setup an NFS server on our W2k3 so that the > > scripts can > > > push to the server and ArcServ can backup the data locally > from > > there. > > > Do you guys know of any light weight free software for this? > I > > would > > > use a linux box, but then we would be pushing to the linux > box, > > then > > > pulling from the linux box to the w2k3 server. The switches at > > this > > > site aren't the greatest and aren't spread out right. (another > > project) > > > So when we do backups at night the network slows down ALOT. > So > > the > > > less trafic I take > > > up the better. Any ideas? I've thought about setting up > samba > > on the > > > two aix boxes, but we don't have enough disk space available > to > > push > > > the hotbackups to. We are working with EMC to maybe add more > > disk > > > space or get a different unit since we are using Symetrix and > > those are > > > hard for us to maintaine. (not a spelling B champ). > > > > > > > > > > > You could share a directory on the w2k3 server that was > mountable > > by > > your AIX servers and drop things there. Granted SMB is not the > > easiest > > protocol on the network. :( > > > > HTH, > > Channing > > > > -- > > A: Yes. > > > Q: Are you sure? > > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > > >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 18:48:56 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Thu Jun 8 18:48:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: MEDIAMVP & SILVERSTONE LC11S For Sale Message-ID: If anyone is interested I am selling my used MediaMVP which I've use a frontend for MythTV and a NEW unused SILVERSTONE LASCALA SST-LC11S-M Silver Computer Case as used in the Linux Toys book. Please conatct me off list if interested. MeidaMVP with remote $60.00 http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html New LC11S-M Silver Computer Case with LCD Display and remote $180.00 http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc11m.htm -- ::twistedPickles:: : From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Jun 8 21:23:32 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jun 8 21:23:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show and Sale This Weekend Message-ID: <200606082123.33014.wmail@wricomp.com> Just a little reminder that the next Computer Show and Sale is at Live Oak CC again this Saturday *only*. As always, $1 off admission with coupon from www.pcshows.com. --Don -- For a good time, call: chrono.cis.sac.accd.edu From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Thu Jun 8 21:31:02 2006 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Thu Jun 8 21:31:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060609023102.22532.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > AIX does support cifs, but i need bos.cifs_fs.rte. > So now I have to > find the download which will probably be the hard > part. That's if they > have the bos.cifs_fs.rte for AIX 5.1 and upgrading > isn't an option :( > Anyone hiring?!?!? lol > Have u considered SCP/SFTP ?? it will kick the heck out of the network and CPU but there are multiple options to insall a SSH server on Windows (cygwin or commercial product) and installing ssh on AIX could be done either from source, the AIX toolbox, UCLA or Bull's website. regards, esv. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: koflanagan@satx.rr.com > Date: Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:05 pm > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and > Windows interaction > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > > Yeah I have thought about that, and I do have > samba running on our > > AIX > > test box. I can create share but not mount them. > I'm going to > > look > > through IBM's website to make sure. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Channing > > Date: Thursday, June 8, 2006 3:49 pm > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and > Windows interaction > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing > List > > > > > koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > > > > Just to give you guys a run down, we're using > Tivoli for our > > > Houston > > > > site and ArcServ for our SA site. Problem is > we are trying to > > > phase > > > > away from Tivoli and move things off to > ArcServ. We have two > > > AIX 5.1 > > > > systems that are clustered and they run > various scripts to do > > > > hotbackups for our Oracle databases. Right > now the scripts > > push > > > the > > > > hotbackups straight to tape. ArcServ on the > other hand only > > > pulls from > > > > the server, the agents or clients can't push. > (or that's what > > CA > > > said) > > > > My idea is to setup an NFS server on our W2k3 > so that the > > > scripts can > > > > push to the server and ArcServ can backup the > data locally > > from > > > there. > > > > Do you guys know of any light weight free > software for this? > > I > > > would > > > > use a linux box, but then we would be pushing > to the linux > > box, > > > then > > > > pulling from the linux box to the w2k3 server. > The switches at > > > this > > > > site aren't the greatest and aren't spread out > right. (another > > > project) > > > > So when we do backups at night the network > slows down ALOT. > > So > > > the > > > > less trafic I take > > > > up the better. Any ideas? I've thought about > setting up > > samba > > > on the > > > > two aix boxes, but we don't have enough disk > space available > > to > > > push > > > > the hotbackups to. We are working with EMC to > maybe add more > > > disk > > > > space or get a different unit since we are > using Symetrix and > > > those are > > > > hard for us to maintaine. (not a spelling B > champ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could share a directory on the w2k3 server > that was > > mountable > > > by > > > your AIX servers and drop things there. Granted > SMB is not the > > > easiest > > > protocol on the network. :( > > > > > > HTH, > > > Channing > > > > > > -- > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: Are you sure? > > > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of > conversation. > > > >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Enrique Sanchez Vela email: esanchezvela@yahoo.com -------------------------------------- It's often easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them Adlai Stevenson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jun 9 00:39:17 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Fri Jun 9 00:38:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200606090039.18148.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 06 June 2006 14:31, Mitch Thompson wrote: > tweeks wrote: > >[Rackspace is] looking for experienced Linux Admins that know networking, OS > >t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... > Can you beat the salary range of that "other" company? I don't want to hurt my friend's chance at getting someone, but yeah.. I can safely say that Rackspace pays more than that. ;) I guess my friend was not aware of Admins got paid.. so he's going to talk to the owner and I think they'll repost the other (non-RS job) with a more appropriate pay scale. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jun 9 00:54:14 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Fri Jun 9 00:53:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <1149648240.3356.102.camel@tiamat> References: <20060606182752.76953.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> <1149648240.3356.102.camel@tiamat> Message-ID: <200606090054.14978.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 06 June 2006 21:44, Geoff Dale wrote: > Okay, looks like a draft revision of that listing leaked (or tweek'ed) > out. (No worries, Tom. I appreciate the effort, and at least this time > when the listing was posted it generated some responses.) Heh.. I didn't even notice that. All I'll say is that the original job listing was emailed to me from a third party as an MS-Word document. I copied and pasted out to XCSSA and SATLUG as a favor. But as any Linux geek knows.. typing something up in Word (which generated pseudo-UTF characters), and then pasting into an ASCII mail client doesn't work too well.. ;) I always tell people composing web/email conten to NEVER use a WYSIWYG word processor to type the stuff up.. but they rarely listen. > As the original author of that job listing (but not the person who set > that salary range), Ahh ha! It was YOU who gave the .doc file to Dean who gave it to me? Okay.. So.. Here's my soapbox advice.. Don't type up things to be copied into ASCII email or web forms in a word processor that created non ASCII characters.. Lesson learned.. 'nuff said. ;) > I'd like to say that while we'd be happy to hire > somebody for that salary with those skillsets -- I had already commented > internally that I thought it was not realistic. We had already agreed to > consider higher. When I posted the listing here a while back, I hadn't > put in a salary range because I expect it to be highly variable based > what actual experience the candidate has. (Sorry, Josh.) > > Meanwhile, glad to have provided the gift of laughter to you all. ;P Heh.. well.. Good laugh.. but if you want any serious calls.. you might still want to revise the mottom line.. ;) Cheers Geoff, Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jun 9 01:08:14 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Fri Jun 9 01:07:44 2006 Subject: Rackspace at PCShows (maybe) (was Re: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins) In-Reply-To: <200606090039.18148.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> <200606090039.18148.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200606090108.14815.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> BTW... A Rackspace HR rep and one or two technical folks might be at this Saturday's PCShows to take resumes and/or chat with prospective (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins. Steve says he thinks it will be ok... but I still haven't followed up with the Rackers who would be there (as I will not be).. So it's kind of last minute and iffy right now. If we are there (at the SATLUG booth)... them come on by and chat with us! You can talk to one of our current Linux admins in a casual environment about what Rackspace Linux support techs do all day/night (yes we're staffed 24x7, so pick your shift), and you can get a feel for if it's the kind of place for you or not. Plus our folks can meet you on your own turf (the SATLUG booth at the PCShows)... so it should be nice and laid back. I won't be able to be there.. but maybe I'll give them a signed book to give away or something, just so that I can do my small part. :) Anyway.. as I said, it's not for sure yet.. but stay tuned! If I can get the right people at Rackspace and SATLUG hooked up, then we may be there.. and you might have the chance at a really educational, fun (and well paid ;) job at Rackspace. :) Cheers, Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jun 9 01:26:23 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Fri Jun 9 01:25:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wireless card for a ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <4488F1A9.8070708@yahoo.com> References: <4488F1A9.8070708@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200606090126.24015.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> [I'll CC this back out to SATLUG so that others can get the answer to your original question too] On Thursday 08 June 2006 22:57, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Tom, > > My brother gave me this old IBM ThinkPad T20 laptop. It had no > battery or A/C adapter or OS. I got an A/C adapter at Goodwill, and have > installed OpenSUSE 10.1 on it. It has the usual ethernet adapter on it, > which works fine, but I'd like to get a wireless card for it - for the > PCMCIA, or MiniPCI, or whatever it's called. Sorry that no one on the SATLUG list answered your question for you Frank. Let's see if we can stir up some useful conversation on this topic. Well.. a mini PCI card would be an internal card that is designed to plug directly into the mother board. With that option you can only use so many cards for a given motherboard/BIOS usually. It seems that for a Thinkpad T20, here is what you want to look at: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/MiniPCI_slot http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Mini-PCI_Modem_card A PCMCIA/PCcard based wifi card is external, but you have more cards to choose from and they're usually a bit cheaper. Since you have more of a choice, you usually want to go with a card that has native Linux support. This would be cards/drivers with an Atheros/MadWiFi, Ralink/rt2x00, or Prism54/prism54. Now mind you.. those are the chip sets, not the card name brands. For the make/model info, see a web site like this: http://users.linpro.no/janl/hardware/wifi.html I really like the ralink/rt2x00 based NICs. They even have them for USB and PCMCIA I hear. I used a PCI flavor in my mythtv.. works like a charm. The funny thing is.. even though it's a PCI card, it is using a PCcardbus(PCMCIA) chip: 02:08.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev01) So this tells me that their real PCcardbus card will probably be just fine too. :) I strongly recommend against buying a card that you have to then use hacked up windows drivers (via NDIS) to use (aka Broadcom, etc). If a company uses a non-GPL friendly chipset.. then I chose not to support them. Money talks... speak out! Just be sure that before buying anything.. you check the card revision number to verify that your make/model/rev actually HAS the chip set you're expecting. Not doing so is a classic hoop that we Linux folks still have to be mindful of. Good luck man.. Tweeks From jehaywood at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 08:39:07 2006 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Fri Jun 9 08:39:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: <200606090039.18148.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> <200606090039.18148.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Are there any women sysadmins at Rackspace? On 6/9/06, Tom Weeks wrote: > > On Tuesday 06 June 2006 14:31, Mitch Thompson wrote: > > tweeks wrote: > > >[Rackspace is] looking for experienced Linux Admins that know > networking, > OS > > >t-shooting, DNS, web/mail services, etc. Pronto... > > > Can you beat the salary range of that "other" company? > > I don't want to hurt my friend's chance at getting someone, but yeah.. I > can > safely say that Rackspace pays more than that. ;) > > I guess my friend was not aware of Admins got paid.. so he's going to talk > to > the owner and I think they'll repost the other (non-RS job) with a more > appropriate pay scale. > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From channing-c at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 9 08:48:33 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Fri Jun 9 08:48:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: <20060609023102.22532.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060609023102.22532.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44897C31.10201@satx.rr.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > --- koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > >> AIX does support cifs, but i need bos.cifs_fs.rte. >> So now I have to >> find the download which will probably be the hard >> part. That's if they >> have the bos.cifs_fs.rte for AIX 5.1 and upgrading >> isn't an option :( >> Anyone hiring?!?!? lol >> > > > Have u considered SCP/SFTP ?? it will kick the heck > out of the network and CPU but there are multiple > options to insall a SSH server on Windows (cygwin or > commercial product) and installing ssh on AIX could be > done either from source, the AIX toolbox, UCLA or > Bull's website. > > regards, > esv. > Please don't top-post. I know this isn't exactly Usenet, but reading middle-down, then middle-up doesn't make a lot of sense. :) < Now, back to our regularly scheduled program... > Based on the original post, I didn't think there was sufficient space on the AIX boxes to host the dump before off-load. If you do have space to host the dumps on those AIX boxes, then there are actually two simple solutions. 1. ArcServe does support removal after b/u within the job definition. So... A. Dump B. B/U with removal indicator set C. Repeat 2. Use IISs ftpd add-on in W2k3 and either perl's ftp to ship them over, or an old-fashion .netrc . HTH, Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From scs at worldlinkisp.com Fri Jun 9 12:16:00 2006 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Fri Jun 9 12:16:10 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: DVD+R Media Message-ID: <6a1d1603b79c477db6c7f206597f1242.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Which side of the DVD media is the recording side? In the bulk cake dish the silver side is up, usually the non recording side (for CDR). The other side is a pale topaz color. Go ahead a laugh, viejo bolillo wants to know. TIA From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 12:26:12 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Jun 9 12:26:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: DVD+R Media In-Reply-To: <6a1d1603b79c477db6c7f206597f1242.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <6a1d1603b79c477db6c7f206597f1242.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <4489AF34.3080808@gmail.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Which side of the DVD media is the recording side? > > > > In the bulk cake dish the silver side is up, usually the non recording side (for CDR). > > > > The other side is a pale topaz color. > > > > Go ahead a laugh, viejo bolillo wants to know. > > > > TIA > Um, yeah, whatever side is "down" on the spindle is the one that gets written on. ~Nate From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jun 9 12:59:18 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Jun 9 12:59:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: DVD+R Media In-Reply-To: <6a1d1603b79c477db6c7f206597f1242.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <6a1d1603b79c477db6c7f206597f1242.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <200606091259.18660.wmail@wricomp.com> On Friday 09 June 2006 12:16, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Which side of the DVD media is the recording side? > > In the bulk cake dish the silver side is up, usually the non recording side (for CDR). The other side is a pale topaz color. The topaz side is likely to be the recordable dye layer. The silver side is the metal reflective layer that isn't changed by the laser. There are also some clear (to our eyes) dyes that make both sides seem about the same. And double sided media (not to be confused with double-layer media) also exists, some of which is for use in the LightScribe label-burning drives. Of course you can always just try it. The side where K3B says "No media present" is the wrong side. --Don From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Jun 9 13:24:11 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Jun 9 13:24:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: DVD+R Media In-Reply-To: <6a1d1603b79c477db6c7f206597f1242.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <20060609182411.52159.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> --- "scs@worldlinkisp.com" wrote: > Which side of the DVD media is the recording side? > Go ahead a laugh, viejo bolillo wants to know. ok. LOLOLOL!! good one. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scs at worldlinkisp.com Fri Jun 9 14:01:04 2006 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:01:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: DVD+R Media Message-ID: <3f8d5192bf184666890b7331a01d48fe.scs@worldlinkisp.com> > Which side of the DVD media is the recording side? ------------------- Thanks Nate y. Don, was frustrated after burning a coaster with Gnomebaker when adding-on data files.  Saw the dreaded fixation message appear and could only watch (Nero has spoiled me).   :-( Time to brush up on cdrecord and do it the proven way. From gdale at neopolitan.com Fri Jun 9 14:48:52 2006 From: gdale at neopolitan.com (Geoff Dale) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:48:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Sys-Admin Position for a Local Networking Outfit In-Reply-To: <200606090054.14978.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <20060606182752.76953.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> <1149648240.3356.102.camel@tiamat> <200606090054.14978.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4489D0A4.9040900@neopolitan.com> Tom Weeks wrote: > On Tuesday 06 June 2006 21:44, Geoff Dale wrote: > Ahh ha! It was YOU who gave the .doc file to Dean who gave it to me? Okay.. Not hardly, I am with you on that. Mine was done in an ascii email. And then posted to an internal wiki. It was .doc'ed later. > Heh.. well.. Good laugh.. but if you want any serious calls.. you might still > want to revise the mottom line.. ;) Will do. And thanks for the help. - G From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 14:58:59 2006 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:58:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? In-Reply-To: <200606071335.k57DZkWP020445@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200606071335.k57DZkWP020445@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4489D303.5020804@gmail.com> I have verified with the company that it is in fact a router. It appears to me that it is somehow fried as even a hard reset does not allow me any access to the router configuration. The company's websites states a reset also resets any changed IP address assigned to the router. I guess my next step is contacting the company & determining if we can get it replaced under warranty. Thanks everyone for their suggestions. Jim Wells Borries Demeler wrote: >> Jim Wells (jfw5cpa@gmail.com) wrote: I have a router that I picked >> up for a pitance and can't determine the IP address for. It would >> have originally been 192.168.0.1 but even after resetting the >> router, I can't get it to come up at that address. >> >> Is there any (easy?) way to do a scan that would give me the actual >> IP address that the device is using? I'm thinking that maybe the >> router itself is fried but I'd kind of like to know if maybe I can >> bring it back from the dead if possible. > > I hate to ask this - but are we sure we are talking about a router > and not just a hub or switch? Surely it would be nice if Jim could > post the brand and model number... > > -Borries From rhewitt at grandecom.net Fri Jun 9 16:18:42 2006 From: rhewitt at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Fri Jun 9 16:19:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] exporting an outlook file Message-ID: <000f01c68c0a$48caf520$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> I just updated one of my systems and I wanted to export all of my old messages from my 2000 server old HD (I upgraded to I-COP and it works just fine) now I need to get the messages off that HD wich is installed into a pullout drive that I installed on my main system. I was using an IE6 outlook express and I now have outlook 2003. where and what files do I have to move to get outlook express old emails to my new outlook 2003 Robert rhewitt@grandecom.net From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 16:25:13 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Jun 9 16:25:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] exporting an outlook file In-Reply-To: <000f01c68c0a$48caf520$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000f01c68c0a$48caf520$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <79ec289f0606091425r2dc68aecn8b0e8099e4a90e6f@mail.gmail.com> How is this Linux related? On 6/9/06, Robert J Hewitt wrote: > I just updated one of my systems and I wanted to export all of my old > messages from my 2000 server old HD (I upgraded to I-COP and it works just > fine) now I need to get the messages off that HD wich is installed into a > pullout drive that I installed on my main system. I was using an IE6 > outlook express and I now have outlook 2003. where and what files do I have > to move to get outlook express old emails to my new outlook 2003 > > > > > > > > Robert > > rhewitt@grandecom.net > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From tweeks at rackspace.com Fri Jun 9 18:30:12 2006 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Fri Jun 9 18:30:17 2006 Subject: Rackspace at PCShows (maybe) (was Re: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins) Message-ID: <200606091830.12323.tweeks@rackspace.com> Strike that folks.. Rackspace is not going to be able to make it Saturday to take resumes and chit chat. Maybe next PCSHow.. Tweeks From satlug at pervy.custard.org Fri Jun 9 18:53:03 2006 From: satlug at pervy.custard.org (Cliff @ satlug) Date: Fri Jun 9 23:16:29 2006 Subject: Rackspace at PCShows (maybe) (was Re: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins) In-Reply-To: <200606090108.14815.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <4485D812.9020905@satx.rr.com> <200606090039.18148.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <200606090108.14815.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1149897183.2935.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> FYI - as a former Racker that left on good terms a couple years ago. I would have to backup Tweeks statements about it being a good place to learn (through support) of Linux. Pay was decent, the people and environment was great and company was a good stepping stone for me. Cliff. On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 01:08 -0500, Tom Weeks wrote: > BTW... > > A Rackspace HR rep and one or two technical folks might be at this Saturday's > PCShows to take resumes and/or chat with prospective (experienced) Linux > Sys-Admins. Steve says he thinks it will be ok... but I still haven't > followed up with the Rackers who would be there (as I will not be).. So it's > kind of last minute and iffy right now. > > If we are there (at the SATLUG booth)... them come on by and chat with us! > You can talk to one of our current Linux admins in a casual environment about > what Rackspace Linux support techs do all day/night (yes we're staffed 24x7, > so pick your shift), and you can get a feel for if it's the kind of place for > you or not. Plus our folks can meet you on your own turf (the SATLUG booth > at the PCShows)... so it should be nice and laid back. > > I won't be able to be there.. but maybe I'll give them a signed book to give > away or something, just so that I can do my small part. :) > > Anyway.. as I said, it's not for sure yet.. but stay tuned! If I can get the > right people at Rackspace and SATLUG hooked up, then we may be there.. and > you might have the chance at a really educational, fun (and well paid ;) job > at Rackspace. :) > > Cheers, > > Tweeks > From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 10 00:15:51 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sat Jun 10 00:15:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] vnc error Message-ID: <20060610051551.4565.qmail@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am trying to vnc using my web browser with java to a linux computer. The linux computer has the vnc-java package installed and real vnc server running. VNC works, but not with the web browser. I get a grey screen, and I can move the mouse around. How can I fix this? What is causing it? http://www.geocities.com/good_bye300/vncjava.JPG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lists at thehunter.ws Sat Jun 10 02:27:58 2006 From: lists at thehunter.ws (Jeremy Teale) Date: Sat Jun 10 02:28:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] vnc error In-Reply-To: <20060610051551.4565.qmail@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060610051551.4565.qmail@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jun 10, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Chris wrote: > I am trying to vnc using my web browser with java to a linux > computer. The linux computer has the vnc-java package installed and > real vnc server running. VNC works, but not with the web browser. I > get a grey screen, and I can move the mouse around. How can I fix > this? What is causing it? http://www.geocities.com/good_bye300/ > vncjava.JPG Looks like you haven't defined any sort of ~/.vnc/xinitrc, or is it ~/.vnc/xstartup (?), something like that. You need to define what you want to be launched on vnc initiation in this file. If you're trying to connect to an already running desktop session, you need to start the vncserver with the -name option, try the man pages for more details. From comptech3 at mikeester.com Sat Jun 10 08:46:40 2006 From: comptech3 at mikeester.com (Michael Ester) Date: Sat Jun 10 08:46:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] exporting an outlook file In-Reply-To: <000f01c68c0a$48caf520$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000f01c68c0a$48caf520$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <20060610084640.32dfaf9c@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:18:42 -0500 "Robert J Hewitt" wrote: > I just updated one of my systems and I wanted to export all of my old > messages from my 2000 server old HD (I upgraded to I-COP and it works just > fine) now I need to get the messages off that HD wich is installed into a > pullout drive that I installed on my main system. I was using an IE6 > outlook express and I now have outlook 2003. where and what files do I have > to move to get outlook express old emails to my new outlook 2003 > Here you go: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/270670/en-us -- Mike Ester From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 10 10:49:47 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sat Jun 10 10:49:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] vnc error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060610154947.84177.qmail@web32005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I created a ~/.vnc/xstartup file and used one of the examples for xfce4 desktop I found online. That did not work. I read that a ~/.vnc/xstartup file should have been created automatically, but it wasn't. Maybe I am supposed to edit Xsession. When I run vncserver, it says starting applications in Xsession. vnc works fine with vncviewer, but not the java applet. chris@ubuntu:~$ vncserver :2 -name java_test Found /usr/share/vnc-java for http connections. New 'java_test' desktop is ubuntu:2 Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession Log file is /home/chris/.vnc/ubuntu:2.log chris@ubuntu:~$ This is the contents of my ~/.vnc/xstartup #!/bin/sh unset SESSION_MANAGER exec startxfce4 Jeremy Teale wrote: On Jun 10, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Chris wrote: > I am trying to vnc using my web browser with java to a linux > computer. The linux computer has the vnc-java package installed and > real vnc server running. VNC works, but not with the web browser. I > get a grey screen, and I can move the mouse around. How can I fix > this? What is causing it? http://www.geocities.com/good_bye300/ > vncjava.JPG Looks like you haven't defined any sort of ~/.vnc/xinitrc, or is it ~/.vnc/xstartup (?), something like that. You need to define what you want to be launched on vnc initiation in this file. If you're trying to connect to an already running desktop session, you need to start the vncserver with the -name option, try the man pages for more details. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 11:27:55 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Jun 10 11:27:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Boot Machine Message-ID: <277020fc0606100927vb097b4ey81b6779833db2774@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks: I'm trying to set up a dual-boot machine with CentOS and Windows XP installed on different partitions on a hard drive. I have tried this several different ways, and cannot get Windows to install and boot properly (go figure). Anyway I figured maybe one of you might have some pointers. Here is my drive setup: Disk /dev/hda: 122.9 GB, 122942324736 bytes 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 238216 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 24384 12289504+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda2 24385 24592 104422+ 83 Linux Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/hda3 24592 48976 12289725 83 Linux Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/hda4 48976 238202 95369872+ 5 Extended Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/hda5 48977 50012 522081 82 Linux swap Whenever I try to install and boot Windows I simply get "missing operating system". I've tried booting it from grub, and I also allowed 'doze to overwrite the MBR and use it's own bootloader - still no luck. Here is the contents of /boot/grub/grub.conf [scarolan@kalki ~]$ sudo cat /boot/grub/grub.conf # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda3 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda default=1 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title CentOS-4 i386 (2.6.9-34.EL) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-34.EL ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.9-34.EL.img title Windows XP rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 Any ideas about this? I've tried it already several ways, even with just a plain windows installation on it's own hard drive. Still will not install. thanks Sean -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From jtiner at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 10 12:32:32 2006 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (james) Date: Sat Jun 10 12:25:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Boot Machine In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606100927vb097b4ey81b6779833db2774@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606100927vb097b4ey81b6779833db2774@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149960752.13769.0.camel@linux-b9bi.site> Sean, did you set the partition to be active? That's a MS thing... On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 11:27 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > Hi folks: > > I'm trying to set up a dual-boot machine with CentOS and Windows XP > installed on different partitions on a hard drive. I have tried this > several different ways, and cannot get Windows to install and boot > properly (go figure). > > Anyway I figured maybe one of you might have some pointers. Here is > my drive setup: > > Disk /dev/hda: 122.9 GB, 122942324736 bytes > 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 238216 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 24384 12289504+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) > /dev/hda2 24385 24592 104422+ 83 Linux > Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary. > /dev/hda3 24592 48976 12289725 83 Linux > Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary. > /dev/hda4 48976 238202 95369872+ 5 Extended > Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary. > /dev/hda5 48977 50012 522081 82 Linux swap > > Whenever I try to install and boot Windows I simply get "missing > operating system". I've tried booting it from grub, and I also > allowed 'doze to overwrite the MBR and use it's own bootloader - still > no luck. Here is the contents of /boot/grub/grub.conf > > [scarolan@kalki ~]$ sudo cat /boot/grub/grub.conf > # grub.conf generated by anaconda > # > # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file > # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that > # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. > # root (hd0,1) > # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda3 > # initrd /initrd-version.img > #boot=/dev/hda > default=1 > timeout=5 > splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > hiddenmenu > title CentOS-4 i386 (2.6.9-34.EL) > root (hd0,1) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-34.EL ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.9-34.EL.img > title Windows XP > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > > Any ideas about this? I've tried it already several ways, even with > just a plain windows installation on it's own hard drive. Still will > not install. > > thanks > > Sean > > > -- > My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Jun 10 12:30:05 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Jun 10 12:30:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Boot Machine In-Reply-To: <1149960752.13769.0.camel@linux-b9bi.site> Message-ID: <200606101730.k5AHU5B7025606@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Looks like it is active (there's a star under "Boot" for hda1). I am wondering about how you partitioned the drive, why do you get "Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary"? I usually format the harddrive blank, then I use Windows to partition the drive, install windows and make sure it works. After windows runs, I go on to the Linux install, getting rid of the additional partitions you may or may not have set up under Windows and turn them into Linux partitions. Then I install linux (generally with lilo). Never had a problem when I did it in this sequence (and also didn't get the warnings about the partition table). -Borries > > Sean, > > did you set the partition to be active? That's a MS thing... > > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 11:27 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Hi folks: > > > > I'm trying to set up a dual-boot machine with CentOS and Windows XP > > installed on different partitions on a hard drive. I have tried this > > several different ways, and cannot get Windows to install and boot > > properly (go figure). > > > > Anyway I figured maybe one of you might have some pointers. Here is > > my drive setup: > > > > Disk /dev/hda: 122.9 GB, 122942324736 bytes > > 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 238216 cylinders > > Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes > > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > > /dev/hda1 * 1 24384 12289504+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) > > /dev/hda2 24385 24592 104422+ 83 Linux > > Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary. > > /dev/hda3 24592 48976 12289725 83 Linux > > Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary. > > /dev/hda4 48976 238202 95369872+ 5 Extended > > Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary. > > /dev/hda5 48977 50012 522081 82 Linux swap > > > > Whenever I try to install and boot Windows I simply get "missing > > operating system". I've tried booting it from grub, and I also > > allowed 'doze to overwrite the MBR and use it's own bootloader - still > > no luck. Here is the contents of /boot/grub/grub.conf > > > > [scarolan@kalki ~]$ sudo cat /boot/grub/grub.conf > > # grub.conf generated by anaconda > > # > > # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file > > # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that > > # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. > > # root (hd0,1) > > # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda3 > > # initrd /initrd-version.img > > #boot=/dev/hda > > default=1 > > timeout=5 > > splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > hiddenmenu > > title CentOS-4 i386 (2.6.9-34.EL) > > root (hd0,1) > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-34.EL ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > > initrd /initrd-2.6.9-34.EL.img > > title Windows XP > > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > > chainloader +1 > > > > Any ideas about this? I've tried it already several ways, even with > > just a plain windows installation on it's own hard drive. Still will > > not install. > > > > thanks > > > > Sean > > > > > > -- > > My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 14:27:50 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Jun 10 14:27:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Boot Machine In-Reply-To: <200606101730.k5AHU5B7025606@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <1149960752.13769.0.camel@linux-b9bi.site> <200606101730.k5AHU5B7025606@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <277020fc0606101227o4f45af2dl1d58128c2a20ef7@mail.gmail.com> On 6/10/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > Looks like it is active (there's a star under "Boot" for hda1). > I am wondering about how you partitioned the drive, why do you > get "Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary"? > > I usually format the harddrive blank, then I use Windows to > partition the drive, install windows and make sure it works. I did this. Even with a blank drive, an NO linux partitions, I still am getting 'no operating system' errors. It's got me completely stumped. I've tried three separate hard drives. I was starting to think it might be some kind of bios setting or some such. I even tried plugging into either of the IDE slots, just in case. > > After windows runs, I go on to the Linux install, getting rid > of the additional partitions you may or may not have set up under > Windows and turn them into Linux partitions. Yes, that was what I was trying to do - install Windows first because it's such a picky OS, then install Linux onto other partitions on the drive. > Then I install linux (generally with lilo). Never had a problem > when I did it in this sequence (and also didn't get the warnings > about the partition table). I'm not sure why I got partition table warnings. I'm going to put this installation project on hold for now, at least I have got CentOS up and running nicely so I can be productive on this computer. thanks Sean From donkrebs at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 10 14:45:22 2006 From: donkrebs at sbcglobal.net (Don Krebs) Date: Sat Jun 10 14:45:28 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card Configuration Message-ID: <20060610194522.14293.qmail@web80611.mail.yahoo.com> I am still working on getting my ConnectGear Wireless PC card, WE340G working on my little Dell Latitude CP Notebook. I plan to bring it to the Wednesday meeting, hoping someone can help me understand the configuration in the Ubuntu system. I am not opposed to buying a different PC LAN card, before then if someone has a reccomendation for one you have had good luck using. I am a total "newbie" & all help is sincerly appreciated. Don Krebs From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 16:21:34 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Jun 10 16:21:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] How to retain one's privacy on the internet? In-Reply-To: References: <277020fc0606042003g7e20b0a6t6949154b4ee01c56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606101421i5994a945n244a8d3a9a427c8c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/10/06, Travis H. wrote: > On 6/4/06, Sean Carolan wrote: > > How can a person keep all of his Internet traffic and stored files > > encrypted? Assume this applies to a computer user who browses the > > web, sends and receives email, and has data files stored on a local > > disk. > > Well, you asked the right person :) Here are my experiences so far: For those who are interested, Truecrypt is really easy to setup on a Windows computer. I found an addon package called 'tcgina' that replaces the Windows XP/2000 graphical login manager with one that ties into Truecrypt, so that an entire user directory can be encrypted. It includes a tool for migrating your entire home directory to an encrypted truecrypt volume. I did ths, and while trying to securely erase the former, unencrypted home directory my OS drive got completely hosed. Requiring an OS to run my computer, I have switched to CentOS. I used cryptsetup to create a large encrypted partition, and found a nice script on this site for mounting the home directory at boot: http://www.shimari.com/dm-crypt-on-raid/ So now when I log onto CentOS, I get a prompt for my encryption password before it even mounts the /home directory tree. No password - no home directory. I tested it and the drive looks like it's unformatted if you don't know the crypto password. My swap file is unencrypted, but given that I have lots of RAM there's little activity in the swap file. > I had intended to set something like this up a while back, when I had > money but no time. Now I have time but no money. I think I could get > a few friends together to split costs if you want to get a co-loc. Of > course then other people (the co-loc provider) have physical access to > the box. I am interested in this. I think if enough people used it, and it were located in a secure location it would provide a nice level of privacy and anonyminity. Perhaps some bandwidth shaping or quotas could be used to keep it fair for everyone. thanks Sean From eli at then7.com Sat Jun 10 18:14:34 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Sat Jun 10 18:14:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] rebuilding kernel src.rpm (centos) Message-ID: <61539.70.196.136.163.1149981274.squirrel@70.196.136.163> Need some help. I've built plenty of kernels, but this time I'd like to keep my centos system clean, so I'm just going to rebuild the kernel src.rpm So I'm simply trying to set the CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST flag. I'm looking throught the spec file, and I thought I might see a ".config"-like section in there where kernel options are specified. But I don't see it. Looks like everything is done through patches. uh...what's the proper way to turn on CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST ? Many Thanks, e From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 18:25:53 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Jun 10 18:25:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] rebuilding kernel src.rpm (centos) In-Reply-To: <61539.70.196.136.163.1149981274.squirrel@70.196.136.163> References: <61539.70.196.136.163.1149981274.squirrel@70.196.136.163> Message-ID: <79ec289f0606101625r866fb9tf7ebdf4c33c2f86@mail.gmail.com> Eli, I just did this for our system. There are config files in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES for each kernel, x86_64, bigmem, smp, etc... Just edit that config file and turn on whatever you want then run rpmbuild. On 6/10/06, Eli Cantu wrote: > Need some help. I've built plenty of kernels, but this time I'd like to > keep my centos system clean, so I'm just going to rebuild the kernel > src.rpm > > So I'm simply trying to set the CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST flag. I'm looking > throught the spec file, and I thought I might see a ".config"-like section > in there where kernel options are specified. > > But I don't see it. Looks like everything is done through patches. > > uh...what's the proper way to turn on CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST ? > > Many Thanks, > e > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 19:10:52 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jun 10 19:10:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: In-Reply-To: <44886D9A.2060100@gmail.com> References: <5A19641DF70195418312C296B8E0022B4938A4@MSSAVS20.corp.valero.com> <44884CBF.5090809@gmail.com> <44886A09.7020504@nerdshack.com> <44886D9A.2060100@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/06, pixelnate wrote: > I know there is a way to fix it (there has to be, it's linux) xvidtune -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From eli at then7.com Sat Jun 10 19:33:09 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Sat Jun 10 19:33:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] rebuilding kernel src.rpm (centos) In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0606101625r866fb9tf7ebdf4c33c2f86@mail.gmail.com> References: <61539.70.196.136.163.1149981274.squirrel@70.196.136.163> <79ec289f0606101625r866fb9tf7ebdf4c33c2f86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2089.70.196.136.163.1149985989.squirrel@70.196.136.163> Thanks for the confirmation Jeremy. I thought that's the way I should do it. But I saw a few articles on the net stating that I should only touch the spec file. Good to know. Just an fyi, if you run 3 promise controllers, the third will be recognized, but will act bizarrely, lots of seek/interrupt errors. I could not assemble a 6 drive raid5 successfully due to this problem. The CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST is supposed to fix it. We'll see if it works. e On Sat, June 10, 2006 6:25 pm, Jeremy Mann said: > Eli, I just did this for our system. There are config files in > /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES for each kernel, x86_64, bigmem, smp, etc... > Just edit that config file and turn on whatever you want then run > rpmbuild. > > On 6/10/06, Eli Cantu wrote: >> Need some help. I've built plenty of kernels, but this time I'd like to >> keep my centos system clean, so I'm just going to rebuild the kernel >> src.rpm >> >> So I'm simply trying to set the CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST flag. I'm looking >> throught the spec file, and I thought I might see a ".config"-like >> section >> in there where kernel options are specified. >> >> But I don't see it. Looks like everything is done through patches. >> >> uh...what's the proper way to turn on CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST ? >> >> Many Thanks, >> e >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > -- > Jeremy > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 19:49:45 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Jun 10 19:49:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] rebuilding kernel src.rpm (centos) In-Reply-To: <2089.70.196.136.163.1149985989.squirrel@70.196.136.163> References: <61539.70.196.136.163.1149981274.squirrel@70.196.136.163> <79ec289f0606101625r866fb9tf7ebdf4c33c2f86@mail.gmail.com> <2089.70.196.136.163.1149985989.squirrel@70.196.136.163> Message-ID: <79ec289f0606101749t5a0813c9n16fc1a14624d6280@mail.gmail.com> Interesting, why 3 controllers? It maybe an IRQ problem. Are you trying to make 2 discs on each controller as RAID5? On 6/10/06, Eli Cantu wrote: > Thanks for the confirmation Jeremy. > > I thought that's the way I should do it. But I saw a few articles on the > net stating that I should only touch the spec file. > > Good to know. > > Just an fyi, if you run 3 promise controllers, the third will be > recognized, but will act bizarrely, lots of seek/interrupt errors. I > could not assemble a 6 drive raid5 successfully due to this problem. > > The CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST is supposed to fix it. We'll see if it works. > > e > > > > > On Sat, June 10, 2006 6:25 pm, Jeremy Mann said: > > Eli, I just did this for our system. There are config files in > > /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES for each kernel, x86_64, bigmem, smp, etc... > > Just edit that config file and turn on whatever you want then run > > rpmbuild. > > > > On 6/10/06, Eli Cantu wrote: > >> Need some help. I've built plenty of kernels, but this time I'd like to > >> keep my centos system clean, so I'm just going to rebuild the kernel > >> src.rpm > >> > >> So I'm simply trying to set the CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST flag. I'm looking > >> throught the spec file, and I thought I might see a ".config"-like > >> section > >> in there where kernel options are specified. > >> > >> But I don't see it. Looks like everything is done through patches. > >> > >> uh...what's the proper way to turn on CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST ? > >> > >> Many Thanks, > >> e > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > > > > -- > > Jeremy > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From eli at then7.com Sat Jun 10 20:44:42 2006 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Sat Jun 10 20:44:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] rebuilding kernel src.rpm (centos) In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0606101749t5a0813c9n16fc1a14624d6280@mail.gmail.com> References: <61539.70.196.136.163.1149981274.squirrel@70.196.136.163> <79ec289f0606101625r866fb9tf7ebdf4c33c2f86@mail.gmail.com> <2089.70.196.136.163.1149985989.squirrel@70.196.136.163> <79ec289f0606101749t5a0813c9n16fc1a14624d6280@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61618.70.196.136.163.1149990282.squirrel@70.196.136.163> yea. 2 disks per controller. I was suspicious of an irq issue so I was moving cards around, leaving different pci slots free. I've moved to a different mobo, and the result is the same. The the logical 3rd card always behaves strangely. I googled it and others have posted similar experience and mentioned the kernel flag. It very well could be an interrupt issue, but I'm hoping that the kernel recompile works. As a backup plan I have an 8 port 3ware card that I'm trying to snipe off ebay. :) e On Sat, June 10, 2006 7:49 pm, Jeremy Mann said: > Interesting, why 3 controllers? It maybe an IRQ problem. Are you > trying to make 2 discs on each controller as RAID5? > > On 6/10/06, Eli Cantu wrote: >> Thanks for the confirmation Jeremy. >> >> I thought that's the way I should do it. But I saw a few articles on >> the >> net stating that I should only touch the spec file. >> >> Good to know. >> >> Just an fyi, if you run 3 promise controllers, the third will be >> recognized, but will act bizarrely, lots of seek/interrupt errors. I >> could not assemble a 6 drive raid5 successfully due to this problem. >> >> The CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST is supposed to fix it. We'll see if it works. >> >> e >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, June 10, 2006 6:25 pm, Jeremy Mann said: >> > Eli, I just did this for our system. There are config files in >> > /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES for each kernel, x86_64, bigmem, smp, etc... >> > Just edit that config file and turn on whatever you want then run >> > rpmbuild. >> > >> > On 6/10/06, Eli Cantu wrote: >> >> Need some help. I've built plenty of kernels, but this time I'd like >> to >> >> keep my centos system clean, so I'm just going to rebuild the kernel >> >> src.rpm >> >> >> >> So I'm simply trying to set the CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST flag. I'm >> looking >> >> throught the spec file, and I thought I might see a ".config"-like >> >> section >> >> in there where kernel options are specified. >> >> >> >> But I don't see it. Looks like everything is done through patches. >> >> >> >> uh...what's the proper way to turn on CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST ? >> >> >> >> Many Thanks, >> >> e >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SATLUG mailing list >> >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jeremy >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > -- > Jeremy > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From rhewitt at grandecom.net Sat Jun 10 22:25:48 2006 From: rhewitt at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Sat Jun 10 22:26:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] IP Cop Message-ID: <000201c68d06$bc0f7e50$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> I just installed IP Cop (latest download) I it seems to be working great, Just thought I would as if anybody had tried it and have some input on what they think of it. With the exception of some small remote login problems it is still running pretty smooth. The only think I don't understand is the Snort intrusion detection some more info on that would help. From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 10 22:52:05 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 10 22:52:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] IP Cop In-Reply-To: <000201c68d06$bc0f7e50$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000201c68d06$bc0f7e50$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <448B9365.1070801@satx.rr.com> Robert J Hewitt wrote: > I just installed IP Cop (latest download) I it seems to be working great, > Just thought I would as if anybody had tried it and have some input on what > they think of it. With the exception of some small remote login problems > it is still running pretty smooth. The only think I don't understand is the > Snort intrusion detection some more info on that would help. > > Hi, Robert, I've been using IPCop here since about mid-November of last year. It "just worked" with no problems on a Dell Latitude w/PCMCIA NIC and USB NIC. I haven't seen any problems that weren't self-induced. Snort on IPCop is a bit different than Snort in general: It's by default only set up to notify you that someone is making an attempt on your system. It does nothing to prevent it. I.e., it doesn't create IPtables rules, or anything else. So, it's more of an IRS (Intrusion Reporting System) than an IPS (Intrusion Prevention System). However, that being said, there is an add-on called guardian which will can the snort logs and create rulesets to filter out unwanted traffic. Like everything else about IPCop, it is configurable via web page, but it does not install through the add-on installation system that IPCop uses. You will have to download it, scp it over to your IPCop box, untar and install it there. It "works", but I found that it would block RoadRunner's DNS servers, NTP servers, and anything else that attempted to hit port 113, for example. You can tell Guardian to ignore those IP addresses, but it does take a bit of time to train it to leave things you want left alone. Good luck with it. The mailing list gang for IPCop are very helpful, and the overall traffic is very low, so you might consider joining. Mitch From solinym at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 22:53:34 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sat Jun 10 22:53:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Identifying the IP address of a router? In-Reply-To: <4489D303.5020804@gmail.com> References: <200606071335.k57DZkWP020445@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4489D303.5020804@gmail.com> Message-ID: When most IP-enabled devices boot up, they send out a "gratuitous ARP" with their own IP address, so that they can detect if the address is already allocated. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 10 23:06:04 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Sat Jun 10 23:06:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] vnc Message-ID: <20060611040604.9981.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is the contents of my ~/.vnc/xstartup file. What should I edit, so that the vnc server uses xfce4 windows manager and not a grey background? #!/bin/sh xrdb $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid grey x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & x-window-manager & __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 23:25:32 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat Jun 10 23:25:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] ACPI support in GNOME Message-ID: <277020fc0606102125td764e51pb74ec7a3aafbce2e@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone suggest a gui tool for managing suspend/hibernate functions? The new Ubuntu 6.06 has all this stuff built into the login/logout menu, and I'm missing that on my CentOS box here at home! thanks Sean -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jun 11 03:27:01 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jun 11 03:26:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] exporting an outlook file In-Reply-To: <000f01c68c0a$48caf520$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000f01c68c0a$48caf520$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <200606110327.02870.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 09 June 2006 16:18, Robert J Hewitt wrote: > I just updated one of my systems and I wanted to export all of my old > messages from my 2000 server old HD (I upgraded to I-COP and it works just > fine) now I need to get the messages off that HD wich is installed into a > pullout drive that I installed on my main system. I was using an IE6 > outlook express and I now have outlook 2003. where and what files do I > have to move to get outlook express old emails to my new outlook 2003 Well.. even though this IS a Linux list... This is a valid technology question. This question would have been better asked on the XCSSA mail list (http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa). But that being said... Maybe instead of using this information to entrap yourself in another proprietary Microsoft only cage, you'll use the final bit of info here to convert your file to a more open solution. Look for your .pst file. If you're stored your email locally.. That's the file the email is in. I think that there are various utils out there for converting MS .pst files to Mbox or MDir... I'll include one known method at the end of this. But to your question... Outlook/OutlookExpress files of interest are: .pst Outlook local email (Note: does not get exchange server side email) (locate/get your archive.pst file also) .iaf Outlook email account settings .wab "Windows Adddress Book", or outlook contact list (hidden*) .dbx O.Express mail folder dirs (hidden*) *NOTE: You need to "unhide" all the hidden files to get to these. Converting from Outlook Express->Outlook: Outlook Express and Outlook are two totally and completely different pieces of proprietary code from Microsoft. By themselves they're not compatible. Check out a couple of these folks tools for reading/exporting Outlook Express DBX files: http://www.mailnavigator.org/read_outlook_express_dbx_files.html And There's a free utility here for getting the RFC822 messages into outlook (your PST file) here: http://www.maclean.com/Outsmart/Import-Export/ (haven't used that method myself tho) Now What I WOULD recommend is instead of sticking with Outlook (once you're there), is to go with a more open solution that doesn't get you in this situation again... Converting From Outlook to Open Standards: You can also "convert" a pst file into a more open standard mail format, like that used by Mozilla or thunderbird... Some people have had limited success using procmail to do this, but there are better ways for going from outlook via a conversion util called outport. Then a more standard mail package such as with Mozilla or Thunderbird. See here: http://linux.uta.http://www.maclean.com/Outsmart/Import-Export/edu/article.php?pid=5 After you have you remail coveted... you'll be able to take it to any platform of mail suite you want. BTW.. If you like outlook.. check out Evolution: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/ More info on migrating from outlook to Evolution: http://www.novell.com/documentation/nld/index.html?page=/documentation/nld/evolution/data/outlook-migration.html Don't think that just because your office uses Outlook, that you have to also. Be different.. think.. ;) Cheers, Tweeks p.s. In a past life.. I too was a Microsoft Johnny.. But I got better... ;) From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jun 11 03:31:40 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jun 11 03:31:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: <44897C31.10201@satx.rr.com> References: <20060609023102.22532.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44897C31.10201@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200606110331.40714.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 09 June 2006 08:48, Channing wrote: > Please don't top-post. I know this isn't exactly Usenet, but reading > middle-down, then middle-up doesn't make a lot of sense. :) heh.. You're just as bad man.. You shouldn't leave every line of the original post in tact with your itty bitty response at the bottom! ;) If you're reply is less than 1/4 of the total message.. something's off.. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jun 11 03:39:48 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun Jun 11 03:39:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Looking for a Few Good (experienced) Linux Sys-Admins In-Reply-To: References: <200606061342.24306.tweeks@rackspace.com> <200606090039.18148.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200606110339.48835.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 09 June 2006 08:39, Jennie Haywood wrote: > Are there any women sysadmins at Rackspace? Yes.. well. a few.. It's hard to attract geek chicks (as I call them) into technical fields like engineering and sys-admin work.. Well... in fact.. true geek chicks are truly a rare find at all. Blame it on social pressure... good ole boys.. etc.. But we've had our share at the Rack. I love watching a smart geek chick school a big-ego guy though! It's that whole verbal skill, bi-hemisphere brain action thing... Good stuff... hehe Tweeks From kell at spoonix.com Sun Jun 11 08:30:19 2006 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Sun Jun 11 08:27:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] rebuilding kernel src.rpm (centos) In-Reply-To: <2089.70.196.136.163.1149985989.squirrel@70.196.136.163> References: <61539.70.196.136.163.1149981274.squirrel@70.196.136.163> <79ec289f0606101625r866fb9tf7ebdf4c33c2f86@mail.gmail.com> <2089.70.196.136.163.1149985989.squirrel@70.196.136.163> Message-ID: <20060611133019.GA12793@inverness.spoonix.com> On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 07:33:09PM -0500, Eli Cantu wrote: > Thanks for the confirmation Jeremy. > > I thought that's the way I should do it. But I saw a few articles on the > net stating that I should only touch the spec file. I think what they were probably referring to is using the spec file to set stuff like path information using autoconf. In the olden days before RPM supported the %configure directive some packagers would attempt to patch Makefiles directly to set options rather than rebuild everything from scratch with autoconf and use stuff like --prefix, --bindir, --libdir, etc. The only other caveat is that you should avoid directly modifying the "pristine source" (basically, the tarball you get from the project's website) and instead use patches to change whatever you need changed. So, if you decide to try a different version of the 3ware controller, the right way to do it would be: rpm -bp /usr/src/rpm/SPECS/kernel.spec cd /usr/src/rpm/BUILD cp -Rap kernel-version kernel-version.mine (go into kernel-version.mine and either replace files or manually apply your patch) cd /usr/src/rpm/BUILD diff -uNr kernel-version.mine kernel-version > \ /usr/src/rpm/SOURCE/kernel-version-mypatchname.patch And then add a line to include your patch in the sources section, and then another line to apply the patch down in the build section. The Wrong Way(tm) would be to untar the kernel source, apply your patch manually, and then tar it all back up because it makes it hard for other people to figure out exactly what you changed. Also, if you're planning on tracking the official CentOS kernel sources, you should probably also do something to the package version to keep from running afoul of their versioning system. When I was making custom RPMs if the package from the vendor was foo-1.0-6, I'd build the RPM as foo-1.0-6.1spx (next rev would be .2spx, etc) just in case the vendor decided to kick out a foo-1.0-7 :) -- Kelley Spoon From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:50:28 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jun 11 08:50:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] exporting an outlook file In-Reply-To: <200606110327.02870.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <000f01c68c0a$48caf520$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> <200606110327.02870.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0606110650w58958b67g3a4028c5cbb832c@mail.gmail.com> > Tweeks > p.s. In a past life.. I too was a Microsoft Johnny.. But I got better... ;) Tweeks is right - there might come a day when due to force of circumstance or choice that you'll want to get all your emails out of Outlook, but they are all stuck inside proprietary pst files or .dbx mail folders. The problem with either of these is that they ONLY work with Microsoft products, and generally Microsoft only wants you to upgrade to another Microsoft product. We switched our entire sales staff from using Outlook to Evolution, and after we got our CMS system for calendaring and tasks we switched them to Mozilla Thunderbird. We used Outport and Thunderbird to get the data out of the PST files. Thunderbird is the easiest one as far as moving your mail profile, etc. around. I just switched my wife from using a PC to a Macbook pro, and moving her mail was as simple as copying the Thunderbird profile folder from the PC to the Mac. Mbox file format is pretty universal, and would even allow you to switch to IMAP or a variety of other programs to manage your email. It's hard to really understand why Linux users emphasize free and open standards so much until you've been put in a situation where you can't get your data because of proprietary licenses! thanks Sean From rhewitt at grandecom.net Sun Jun 11 11:53:14 2006 From: rhewitt at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Sun Jun 11 11:53:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] does anybody know this Message-ID: <000001c68d77$8ae49a60$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Does anybody recognize where this is and why it seems to pop up on my router all the time I don't know it any help is usefull Here is what my firewall log is returning when I look at it. : % [whois.apnic.net node-1] % Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html inetnum: 60.11.0.0 - 60.11.255.255 netname: CNCGROUP-HL descr: CNCGROUP Heilongjiang Province Network descr: China Network Communications Group Corporation descr: No.156,Fu-Xing-Men-Nei Street, descr: Beijing 100031 country: CN admin-c: CH444-AP tech-c: BG63-AP status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE mnt-by: APNIC-HM mnt-lower: MAINT-CNCGROUP-HL mnt-routes: MAINT-CNCGROUP-RR changed: hm-changed@apnic.net 20041231 changed: hm-changed@apnic.net 20050218 source: APNIC route: 60.11.0.0/16 descr: CNC Group CHINA169 Heilongjiang Province Network country: CN origin: AS4837 mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP-RR changed: abuse@cnc-noc.net 20060118 source: APNIC person: CNCGroup Hostmaster nic-hdl: CH444-AP e-mail: abuse@cnc-noc.net address: No.156,Fu-Xing-Men-Nei Street, address: Beijing,100031,P.R.China phone: +86-10-82993155 fax-no: +86-10-82993144 country: CN changed: abuse@cnc-noc.net 20041220 mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP source: APNIC person: Binghui Gao nic-hdl: BG63-AP e-mail: gaobh@mail.hl.cn address: Communication Corporation Internet Enterprise Division of HLJ phone: +86-451-2804465 fax-no: +86-451-2804442 country: CN changed: gaobh@mail.hl.cn 20030221 mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP-HL source: APNIC Thanks Robert rhewitt@grandecom.net From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 13:01:18 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jun 11 13:01:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] does anybody know this In-Reply-To: <000001c68d77$8ae49a60$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000001c68d77$8ae49a60$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <277020fc0606111101t42c122d4q4949d51b22767dc1@mail.gmail.com> On 6/11/06, Robert J Hewitt wrote: > Does anybody recognize where this is and why it seems to pop up on my router > all the time I don't know it any help is usefull > What kind of packets is your firewall blocking? My guess would be a cracker in China just probing your ports to see what he can find. From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sun Jun 11 13:08:26 2006 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars) Date: Sun Jun 11 13:05:47 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] meeting presentation Message-ID: <448C5C1A.8030709@cis.sac.accd.edu> The person I was trying to get to do a presentation at the next meeting has fallen through. I will be unreachable for the next week. If you would like to do the monthly presentation please e-mail Bruce at <%3Cbdubbs@swbell.net%3E>. Thanks, Steve From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 13:12:07 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jun 11 13:12:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual-Boot Machine In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606101227o4f45af2dl1d58128c2a20ef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1149960752.13769.0.camel@linux-b9bi.site> <200606101730.k5AHU5B7025606@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <277020fc0606101227o4f45af2dl1d58128c2a20ef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606111112r30b5ba74s6338f1e2196c3788@mail.gmail.com> > > I usually format the harddrive blank, then I use Windows to > > partition the drive, install windows and make sure it works. > After getting my home system configured and running nicely with CentOS4, I decided to take another crack at setting up dual boot. This time instead of using an existing partition on my hard drive, I took Borries' suggestion above and used a spare hard drive, disconnected the Linux drive and booted up Windows with only one drive, on the primary IDE controller. This time it got through the install as before but would crash nearly every time I tried to boot it up. A bit more investigation revealed that the problem all along was that it was missing the drivers for my nVidia chipset (which Linux had NO problem installing out-of-the-box). So I had to go to my wife's computer, download the nVidia chipset and graphics drivers, burn them on a CD, boot my computer into safe mode, load up the drivers, and finally the computer would boot properly into Windows. I can now say that all modern Linux distributions that I have used have far surpassed Windows for ease of installation and use. It was fun to see the tables turned - back around 1999 when I first started using Redhat it was the other way around! I spent a week once tinkering with the winmodem in my Toshiba laptop trying to get Redhat 7 to use it for dialup connections! Now that I had set up a working Windows installation, I had to map the drive in my grub.conf file so it would be tricked into thinking it was on the primary drive, but once that was done it dual-booted with no problems at all. I'm glad I got to go through this experience because it forced me to finally move all my day-to-day productivity software and data over to Linux. Now I only have to boot into Windows for those few graphics-intensive programs that won't run inside a virtual machine. (Translation: I like to play games!) Thanks for all the suggestions, and if anyone else is going to try double booting make sure that 1. You install Windows and get it working *first* and 2. If you have nVidia (or other) special hardware be sure to check that you have extra drivers for it because the crippled XP installer doesn't come with some drivers out of the box! thanks Sean From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 18:53:37 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 11 18:53:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync Message-ID: Hi, After some amount of experience, I have decided that when planning a disk storage strategy, that one carefully consider redundancy via RAID-1 and redundancy via a periodic rsync. Notably, the differences are: With RAID-1, if a disk fails, you lose nothing. With rsync, if a disk fails, you either lose nothing or you lose work up to the last period. With RAID-1, if you or your OS screws up and destroy data, you lose everything. With rsync, if you or your OS screws up and destroy data, you can recover up to the last periodic rsync, provided you do so before the next periodic rsync. And finally with rsync, a failure could occur during rsync which would lead to an inconsistent state, but it's unlikely. So basically, the decision depends on how often you screw up... the more you screw up relative to your disks, the more attractive rsync appears. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 20:26:47 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 11 20:26:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] vnc In-Reply-To: <20060611040604.9981.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060611040604.9981.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/10/06, Chris wrote: > This is the contents of my ~/.vnc/xstartup file. What > should I edit, so that the vnc server uses xfce4 > windows manager and not a grey background? > x-window-manager & Replace that line with something that starts xfce4. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 20:53:12 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 11 20:53:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] SGML vs docbook vs linuxdoc vs LaTeX vs LyX vs POD Message-ID: Anyone have any opinions on the various document formats and their applicability to various situations? I'll start. LaTeX2e (usually implemented in the tetex suite) is a document format that is widely used by the scientific community. LaTeX is actually a set of standardized macros that make TeX significantly easier to use. The ideas embodied in LaTeX are very cool, but the syntax is awful and debugging is nearly impossible. I currently write my resume in LaTeX, convert to dvi, then use dvi2pdf to make a PDF which is acceptable to most employers. LaTeX really seems best suited to writing articles and books, and if you intend to deviate significantly from its format you pay a heavy penalty. For example, it has \sections and \subsections and I think \subsubsections, but if you want a hierarchy deeper than that you're SOL. One can probably embed hyperlinks in it, but I haven't spent the time to figure out how to do that. Avoid latex2html; it is outdated and produces horrible HTML. POD, Perl's Plain Old Documentation, is probably the best format if you wish to have a source document that most resembles plain text. It has facilities for most of the formatting that you might want, including alternate representations for different output rendering (e.g. an ASCII diagram for plain text output versus a IMG tag for HTML). There are HTML, LaTeX, man and text output formats. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jun 11 21:22:40 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jun 11 21:22:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200606120222.k5C2Me0L015436@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I'd like to add that rsync can be done to a computer in a different building, should a fire or flood destroy the first one, you will save data no RAID level can protect. -Borries > > Hi, > > After some amount of experience, I have decided that when planning a > disk storage strategy, that one carefully consider redundancy via > RAID-1 and redundancy via a periodic rsync. > > Notably, the differences are: > > With RAID-1, if a disk fails, you lose nothing. > > With rsync, if a disk fails, you either lose nothing or you lose work > up to the last period. > > With RAID-1, if you or your OS screws up and destroy data, you lose everything. > > With rsync, if you or your OS screws up and destroy data, you can > recover up to the last periodic rsync, provided you do so before the > next periodic rsync. > > And finally with rsync, a failure could occur during rsync which would > lead to an inconsistent state, but it's unlikely. > > So basically, the decision depends on how often you screw up... the > more you screw up relative to your disks, the more attractive rsync > appears. > -- > Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove > Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 21:34:37 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 11 21:34:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync In-Reply-To: <200606120222.k5C2Me0L015436@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200606120222.k5C2Me0L015436@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: On 6/11/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > I'd like to add that rsync can be done to a computer in a different building, > should a fire or flood destroy the first one, you will save data no RAID level > can protect. The package "duplicity" uses gpg to encrypt the contents before they're transmitted, and uses librsync for efficient transmision, so you can back up to an untrusted remote site now. Very cool! -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From edcoates at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 21:49:02 2006 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Jun 11 21:49:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync In-Reply-To: References: <200606120222.k5C2Me0L015436@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0606111949v300ed5ddi1ad22472b27b02e5@mail.gmail.com> On 6/11/06, Travis H. wrote: > The package "duplicity" uses gpg to encrypt the contents before > they're transmitted, and uses librsync for efficient transmision, so > you can back up to an untrusted remote site now. Very cool! > -- rsync can already do ssh...I use it to rsync my amateur radio bbs directory to another computer on the network. wonder what the speed/overhead difference is between rsync using ssh and duplicity using gpg. Ed kb8fzq.ampr.org From curt.bryson at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 22:18:04 2006 From: curt.bryson at gmail.com (curt bryson (GMail)) Date: Sun Jun 11 21:53:57 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync In-Reply-To: References: <200606120222.k5C2Me0L015436@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1150082284.15109.0.camel@karatekid.linux> Why not rsync over ssh? http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/security/ssh-rsync-wrapper Unless the concern there is the dislike of ssh. On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 21:34 -0500, Travis H. wrote: > On 6/11/06, Borries Demeler wrote: > > I'd like to add that rsync can be done to a computer in a different building, > > should a fire or flood destroy the first one, you will save data no RAID level > > can protect. > > The package "duplicity" uses gpg to encrypt the contents before > they're transmitted, and uses librsync for efficient transmision, so > you can back up to an untrusted remote site now. Very cool! > -- > Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove > Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 22:05:41 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Jun 11 22:05:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync In-Reply-To: <1150082284.15109.0.camel@karatekid.linux> References: <200606120222.k5C2Me0L015436@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1150082284.15109.0.camel@karatekid.linux> Message-ID: <277020fc0606112005s118f6fbdtea9b279dc02982f3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/11/06, curt bryson (GMail) wrote: > Why not rsync over ssh? > > http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/security/ssh-rsync-wrapper > > Unless the concern there is the dislike of ssh. This is exactly what we use at my workplace - rsync over ssh to an off-site backup/replacement server. It runs on a cronjob every night, and I can always tell when it's running because the connection to the server gets really slow. Generally it finishes it's thing within a couple of hours. I sleep better at night knowing rsync is keeping an off-site copy of our data. From solinym at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 22:23:21 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Sun Jun 11 22:23:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync In-Reply-To: <1150082284.15109.0.camel@karatekid.linux> References: <200606120222.k5C2Me0L015436@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1150082284.15109.0.camel@karatekid.linux> Message-ID: On 6/11/06, curt bryson (GMail) wrote: > Why not rsync over ssh? I said the remote site (not the intervening network) can be untrusted, thanks to duplicity. For trusted remote sites and untrusted networks, rsync over ssh is fine. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 00:21:37 2006 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Jun 12 00:21:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] SGML vs docbook vs linuxdoc vs LaTeX vs LyX vs POD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4154519d0606112221y59272ecaqd352bd65f4846247@mail.gmail.com> Depending on what you want to do, I'd either go with DocBook or LyX. If you're writing something like a say, a book, DocBook is exactly what you need. DocBook is an SGML data type, and there's really no reason to use SGML directly. While you could write something in SGML, you'd need a program to render the document. Because DocBook is just a form of SGML, it'd look very similar to an XML or HTML document... just a lot of text with markup. Other document types also work well with DocBook -- you might want to take a look at the specification to tell if the documents you have in mind would fit well into the DocBook structure. LyX is more than just a format, it's a GUI document processor. If you're going to write something that is scientific in nature, or something with that level of typesetting complexity, LyX is probably the way to go. At least, it's much easier than writing LaTeX directly. LyX can export as LaTeX, so if there is some need to have a LaTeX file, you can use the graphical interface of LyX rather than try to write the LaTeX by hand. I'm not familiar with linuxdoc or POD, so I can't comment on those. -Mike On 6/11/06, Travis H. wrote: > Anyone have any opinions on the various document formats and their > applicability to various situations? > > I'll start. > > LaTeX2e (usually implemented in the tetex suite) is a document format > that is widely used by the scientific community. LaTeX is actually a > set of standardized macros that make TeX significantly easier to use. > The ideas embodied in LaTeX are very cool, but the syntax is awful and > debugging is nearly impossible. I currently write my resume in LaTeX, > convert to dvi, then use dvi2pdf to make a PDF which is acceptable to > most employers. LaTeX really seems best suited to writing articles > and books, and if you intend to deviate significantly from its format > you pay a heavy penalty. For example, it has \sections and > \subsections and I think \subsubsections, but if you want a hierarchy > deeper than that you're SOL. One can probably embed hyperlinks in it, > but I haven't spent the time to figure out how to do that. Avoid > latex2html; it is outdated and produces horrible HTML. > > POD, Perl's Plain Old Documentation, is probably the best format if > you wish to have a source document that most resembles plain text. It > has facilities for most of the formatting that you might want, > including alternate representations for different output rendering > (e.g. an ASCII diagram for plain text output versus a IMG tag for > HTML). There are HTML, LaTeX, man and text output formats. > -- > Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove > Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- > GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 00:31:25 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jun 12 00:31:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] FC5 issues with libgtk-x11-2.0 In-Reply-To: <9a427b080606061736n164784dch1f383ca55e6d3d76@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a427b080606061736n164784dch1f383ca55e6d3d76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/6/06, Benjamin wrote: > The exact error message I get goes like this: > [me@box ~]$ firefox > firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: > undefined symbol: g_object_compat_control > > I've Googled around, upgraded gtk2, glib, etc. . . Anyone have any ideas? I've got two FC5 boxes, all upgraded... no problems of the sort. Looks like a library/application mismatch. Have you put fedora-extras and fedora-updates in your /etc/yum.repos.d and upgraded again? I have the gtk2-2.8.17-1.fc5.1 rpm which provides the file in question. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 00:35:56 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jun 12 00:35:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] SGML vs docbook vs linuxdoc vs LaTeX vs LyX vs POD In-Reply-To: <4154519d0606112221y59272ecaqd352bd65f4846247@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d0606112221y59272ecaqd352bd65f4846247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/12/06, Mike Wallace wrote: > Depending on what you want to do, I'd either go with DocBook or LyX. What about for magazine articles which will eventually be published on the web? -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 00:44:59 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jun 12 00:45:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Low paying tech jobs advertised in San Antonio In-Reply-To: <20060607180040.5924.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060607163902.2EC4043CC95@satlug.org> <20060607180040.5924.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I have good financial planning skills and make my > money work for me and not the other way around. I > credit my parents for teaching me the value of money. My parents taught me the value of money: A dollar is worth one hundred pennies. I learned this by myself: A penny is worthless. And arithmetic taught me: Zero times anything is zero. So, I'm mendicant. :-) -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove -- Admire the Artist's Handiwork Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From solinym at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 01:01:09 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Mon Jun 12 01:01:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Entry Level IT Positions In-Reply-To: <4488222A.5040301@satx.rr.com> References: <4488222A.5040301@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/06, Channing wrote: > I had someone ask yesterday if I knew of any entry-level IT positions. > I think they were specifically interested in Help Desk, or A+ work. > Does anyone have any leads? Yeah, I have a friend who may be leaving the USAF and could use something entry-level to pay the bills. He has Windows admin experience as well as Cisco CSIDS and (I think) basic Cisco router/networking skills. If you hear of anything, let me or the list know. TIA! -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove -- Admire the Artist's Handiwork Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sun Jun 11 20:20:55 2006 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Mon Jun 12 01:05:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448CC177.1090601@camerontech.com> Travis H. wrote: > Hi, > > After some amount of experience, I have decided that when planning a > disk storage strategy, that one carefully consider redundancy via > RAID-1 and redundancy via a periodic rsync. > > Notably, the differences are: > > With RAID-1, if a disk fails, you lose nothing. > > With rsync, if a disk fails, you either lose nothing or you lose work > up to the last period. > > With RAID-1, if you or your OS screws up and destroy data, you lose > everything. > > With rsync, if you or your OS screws up and destroy data, you can > recover up to the last periodic rsync, provided you do so before the > next periodic rsync. > > And finally with rsync, a failure could occur during rsync which would > lead to an inconsistent state, but it's unlikely. > > So basically, the decision depends on how often you screw up... the > more you screw up relative to your disks, the more attractive rsync > appears. If you screw up with RAID 1 it gives you no ability to roll back. rsync to a different drive does. The two methodologies are pretty different. I don't use RAID as a backup plan, only as a disaster recovery tool. Thomas From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 12 07:39:09 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Jun 12 07:39:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-1 vs rsync In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0606111949v300ed5ddi1ad22472b27b02e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606121239.k5CCd9YJ012223@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > On 6/11/06, Travis H. wrote: > > The package "duplicity" uses gpg to encrypt the contents before > > they're transmitted, and uses librsync for efficient transmision, so > > you can back up to an untrusted remote site now. Very cool! > > -- > rsync can already do ssh...I use it to rsync my amateur radio bbs > directory to another computer on the network. wonder what the > speed/overhead difference is between rsync using ssh and duplicity > using gpg. Right, but that doesn't save the target in an encrypted format, if I understand Travis correctly, duplicity will encrypt not in transition (which is easily done using the "-e ssh" switch in rsync) but *before* transition, and the backed up copy stays encrypted. -Borries > > Ed > kb8fzq.ampr.org > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 10:01:54 2006 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Jun 12 10:01:57 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] SGML vs docbook vs linuxdoc vs LaTeX vs LyX vs POD In-Reply-To: References: <4154519d0606112221y59272ecaqd352bd65f4846247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d0606120801x6b4d759br8620be9a9f6343c8@mail.gmail.com> > What about for magazine articles which will eventually be published on the web? It depends on how much typesetting control you need. LyX/LaTeX is the way to go if you need a lot of control. DocBook (or similar) is the way to go if it will mainly be text with some pictures. If you're going to publish in different mediums, the DocBook route is nice because there's a separation of content and style. The web version can be styled in a way that's appropriate for the web while the magazine version can be styled appropriately for a magazine, but it's all the same content and same source files underneath. -Mike From rhermida at panam.edu Mon Jun 12 11:42:47 2006 From: rhermida at panam.edu (Ramon Hermida) Date: Mon Jun 12 11:42:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] IP Cop In-Reply-To: <000201c68d06$bc0f7e50$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <001401c68e3f$3cc316e0$aa14a8c0@ds.utpa.edu> Been running IPCop from a 256MB flash drive for a couple of months now. Had some issues with it detecting the "drive", but after that it has been running smooth. I am particularly fond of the traffic graphs as it allows me to keep an eye on bandwidth usage, especially incoming. Regarding the Snort, the way it works is by downloading "signatures" from the 'net and using those to detect any suspicious activity. IPCop has oinkmaster capabilities built-in, with oinkmaster being an automated means to download the updated snort signatures. To get the oinkmaster ID, go to www.snort.org and register (FREE). I believe, IPCop gives you the exact list of steps to generate that oinkmaster ID. Once you get that ID, copy it into IPCop and update the snort signatures every so often. Regards -RH -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Robert J Hewitt Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:26 PM To: Satlug Mail List Subject: [SATLUG] IP Cop I just installed IP Cop (latest download) I it seems to be working great, Just thought I would as if anybody had tried it and have some input on what they think of it. With the exception of some small remote login problems it is still running pretty smooth. The only think I don't understand is the Snort intrusion detection some more info on that would help. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jun 12 11:50:11 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jun 12 11:50:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: References: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F560506473D@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <1150131011.25902.57.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 15:32 -0500, koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > Just to give you guys a run down, we're using Tivoli for our Houston > site and ArcServ for our SA site. Problem is we are trying to phase > away from Tivoli and move things off to ArcServ. We have two AIX 5.1 > systems that are clustered and they run various scripts to do > hotbackups for our Oracle databases. Question: Are the Cluster nodes SCSI or FibreChannel connected? Is there a FC switch or Switches involved? I assume the tape is SCSI connected and the backup is over the IP network. > Right now the scripts push the hot-backups straight to tape. We could take the traffic off the IP network, or even set up a dedicated backup network, or leverage the FC infrastructure to offload backup traffic. > My idea is to setup an NFS server on our W2k3 so that the scripts can > push to the server and ArcServ can backup the data locally from there. Can ArcServe use a concept like "Magnetic Library" (Basically D2D where ArcServe uses a file system to drop 'images' of tapes)? > So when we do backups at night the network slows down ALOT. So the > less traffic I take up the better. Any ideas? I have a number of ideas given the fact that there is a SAN to begin with, but I need to know the basic architecture. It could be the best solution to take an inexpensive disk tray that can connect into the existing architecture and use it directly, rather than using network file protocols. > We are working with EMC to maybe add more disk > space or get a different unit since we are using Symetrix and those are > hard for us to maintain. (not a spelling B champ). Call it a hunch, but it will be cheaper to buy a JBOD or inexpensive RAID capable shelf than add disk to a Symm for backup. I suspect that something like this fully loaded (http://www.freebsdsystems.com/raid_3816.php) will cost less than a couple of spindles for a symm, and that doesn't even include EMC PS to install the disks and update the bin file. Just a short plug - This is what I do for a living, so if you want more `professional time` give me a shout (info below). -- John Pappas Abacus Solutions Group, LLC Information Technology 1919 Oakwell Farms Parkway, Suite 210 San Antonio, TX 78218 John.Pappas@AbacusSG.com W: 210.293.6400 C: 210.383.3851 F: 210.587.2450 From luis at luisgarza.com Mon Jun 12 11:53:21 2006 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Mon Jun 12 12:54:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ethereal -> WireShark Message-ID: <39385.192.168.2.1.1150131201.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Has anyone seen this? It looks like the creator of Ethereal has changed employers and is (or trying) to take Ethereal with him. It seems that he could not take the domain name ith him so now he has Wireshark. Question: Is Ethereal dead? Is Wireshark taking it over? Or is this a branch of Ethereal? Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 14:15:47 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon Jun 12 14:15:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ruby on Rails UG in SA? Message-ID: <448DBD63.6050203@gmail.com> I was wondering, does anyone know if there is a RoRUG in San Antonio. Google can't find one, but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks, Nate From pac at fortuitous.com Mon Jun 12 10:08:43 2006 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Mon Jun 12 14:55:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SAN Storage Message-ID: <20060612150843.GC16310@mail.fortuitous.com> Anyone know of SAN Storage, either Fibre Channel or iSCSI connects, that works well with Linux? We are looking for something in the $5000-$9000 range. Are Fibre channel disks the way to go, or something else? Sata? scsi? Thanks, -Phil Carinhas -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas || http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc || Tel : 1-512-351-7783 | | Performance Engineering, Capacity Planning & Unix Svcs | `--------------------------------------------------------' From gboswell at accd.edu Mon Jun 12 15:38:17 2006 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Mon Jun 12 15:38:22 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card Info Message-ID: <448DD0B9.10106@accd.edu> Hey everyone, this gentlemen came by the booth at the computer show and I could not tell him which wireless pcmcia cards are good for Linux specifically Fedora. I asked him to request help on SATLUG Saturday so we could get the correct card to help him. He did and no response. >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:45:22 -0700 (PDT) >From: Don Krebs >Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card Configuration >To: satlug@satlug.org >Message-ID: <20060610194522.14293.qmail@web80611.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I am still working on getting my ConnectGear Wireless PC card, WE340G working on > my little Dell Latitude CP Notebook. I plan to bring it to the Wednesday meetin >g, hoping someone can help me understand the configuration in the Ubuntu system. > I am not opposed to buying a different PC LAN card, before then if someone has >a reccomendation for one you have had good luck using. I am a total "newbie" & a >ll help is sincerly appreciated. >Don Krebs > > > > I'm afraid he will show up on Wednesday for help and I won't be able to help him again, not a good situation. Who has a laptop running wireless and what card do you use and what drivers did you have to find. I'd like to make sure he will be sucessful so I could use all the info you can spare. I'll take your info and try do get a wireless connection on my Fedora core 4 laptop. I still have security questions about wireless but I'll risk it to learn a little. Any help would be appreciated on or off the list. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 15:50:33 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jun 12 15:50:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card Info In-Reply-To: <448DD0B9.10106@accd.edu> References: <448DD0B9.10106@accd.edu> Message-ID: <277020fc0606121350sfee3accw5245a889f95b53f9@mail.gmail.com> On 6/12/06, Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > Hey everyone, this gentlemen came by the booth at the computer show and > I could not tell him which wireless pcmcia cards are good for Linux > specifically Fedora. I asked him to request help on SATLUG Saturday so > we could get the correct card to help him. He did and no response. > I'm using Ubuntu Dapper with a WG511T Netgear card. Works right out of the box on my Dell D600 Latitude notebook. Do make sure that the access point he's using is set to "Open" rather than "Shared" though. Thanks Sean From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 15:56:34 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Jun 12 15:56:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card Info In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606121350sfee3accw5245a889f95b53f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <448DD0B9.10106@accd.edu> <277020fc0606121350sfee3accw5245a889f95b53f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606121356y62e30592k664798831780a646@mail.gmail.com> > I'm using Ubuntu Dapper with a WG511T Netgear card. Works right out > of the box on my Dell D600 Latitude notebook. Do make sure that the > access point he's using is set to "Open" rather than "Shared" though. Boz, let me add that this should work with Fedora Core 4 with the ath0 driver. On Ubuntu the drivers were pre-installed with the OS, and all I had to do was plug the card in. As far as security goes - make sure you use a WEP key, preferrably with 128 bit encryption. There are thousands and thousands of unsecured access points all over this city because most people don't know how or don't take the time to set up some basic security. From bbrice at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 16:26:47 2006 From: bbrice at gmail.com (Brian Brice) Date: Mon Jun 12 16:26:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Ethereal -> WireShark In-Reply-To: <39385.192.168.2.1.1150131201.squirrel@luisgarza.com> References: <39385.192.168.2.1.1150131201.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <997b37ca0606121426o18847365r9e7974e8c48822bd@mail.gmail.com> On 6/12/06, Luis Garza wrote: > Has anyone seen this? > > It looks like the creator of Ethereal has changed employers and is (or > trying) to take Ethereal with him. It seems that he could not take the > domain name ith him so now he has Wireshark. > > Question: Is Ethereal dead? Is Wireshark taking it over? Or is this a > branch of Ethereal? > Looks like just a renaming of ethereal. According to wireshark's FAQ: Q 1.2: What's up with the name change? Is Wireshark a fork? A: In May of 2006, the original author of Ethereal(r) went to work for CACE Technologies (best known for WinPcap). At that time he started the Wireshark open-source project. Wireshark is almost (but not quite) a fork. Normally a "fork" of an open source project results in two names, web sites, development teams, support infrastructures, etc. This is the case with Wireshark except for one notable exception -- every member of the core development team is now working on Wireshark. -- Brian Brice http://www.heapify.org/ From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Jun 12 16:29:06 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon Jun 12 16:30:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] SGML vs docbook vs linuxdoc vs LaTeX vs LyX vs POD In-Reply-To: <4154519d0606120801x6b4d759br8620be9a9f6343c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4154519d0606120801x6b4d759br8620be9a9f6343c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606121629.06243.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 12 June 2006 10:01, "Mike Wallace" wrote: > > What about for magazine articles which will eventually be published on > > the web? > > It depends on how much typesetting control you need. LyX/LaTeX is the > way to go if you need a lot of control. DocBook (or similar) is the > way to go if it will mainly be text with some pictures. If you're > going to publish in different mediums, the DocBook route is nice > because there's a separation of content and style. The web version > can be styled in a way that's appropriate for the web while the > magazine version can be styled appropriately for a magazine, but it's > all the same content and same source files underneath. > +1 The Fedora Project uses DocBook XML for long-term document maintenance. It is easy to maintain and can be used as a base for many different formats, including web and press publication formats. We keep the DocBook sources in CVS to add revision control. Translators are able to use readily-available tools to produce translations. Many other tools and formats can yield DocBook. We allow new contributors to produce content in a wiki and run an export to produce DocBook. When we're ready to publish, we can use XSLT and other converters to produce HTML, PDF, plain text and other formats. For websites, having the content published in HTML with styling in CSS allows an easy-to-maintain and consistent appearance. The real key is to choose a format that stores the information you need and the styling separately, can be converted into whatever other formats you might need and has the highest resolution you'll want to use. As an example, our wiki to DocBook conversion requires us to add appropriate DocBook tags that the wiki has no equivalent for, and converting from DocBook back to wiki would loose those tags. This is why we use DocBook and not wiki to maintain the documents. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jun 12 17:04:37 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jun 12 17:04:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SAN Storage In-Reply-To: <20060612150843.GC16310@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <20060612150843.GC16310@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <1150149878.25902.116.camel@spook.afpc.randolph.af.mil> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 10:08 -0500, Phil Carinhas wrote: > Anyone know of SAN Storage, either Fibre Channel or iSCSI connects, that > works well with Linux? We are looking for something in the $5000-$9000 > range. The key is the HBA. I have found: -- The Qlogic series are supported out-of-the-box. These are the series that HP sells as their 'linux-supported' set (specifically qla-23xx) -- The Emulex series are supported, but not out of the box AFAIK. You have to load their drivers/mgt app manually, but they do work. -- I have not tested any iSCSI as most of the accounts I support are conservative companies, and have the funding to support the low-latency, low-overhead fibre channel infrastructure. On the Array side, there are a number of considerations for "working well". Most of the complexity/hard-work issues surround HA (high-availability) environments with SAN multipath setups. Usually, there is no problem with a single array controller, single path setup. There are a number of lower cost arrays. The 3 biggies that come to my mind are: HDS 9520, HP MSA1500, EMC AX100. Most of these max out about 3TB with FC drives. I really like HDS, but they tend to be less flexible than the others. On the other hand, there are a number of more 'boutique' systems that I have not had significant time on. These generally have fewer features, more vanilla in terms of layout, and cheaper. Course if you remove the RAID controller and make the disks straight JBOD, the cost is even lower (Basically just spindle cost) > Are Fibre channel disks the way to go, or something else? Sata? SCSI and Fibre spindles are basically the same, but just a different interface/connector. The advantage with FC over SCSI is that FC drives have a redundant interface, so they can have fully redundant connections to redundant array controllers, or simply redundant paths to a single controller. SCSI and SATA have single interfaces. In the case of actual construction, SCSI/FC spindles have more on-board logic to handle things like error-correction/Command Queue/etc. This generally equates to an additional ASIC. This leads to a higher MTBF rating (1M hours@100% utilization). Since the FC spindles have redunadant connectivity, they usually command a higher price, and in return boast a higher uptime and MTBF (1.5M hours). Due to the additional horsepower, they can spin faster (15K v 10K) and thus have lower latencies. SATA on the other hand has less onboard logic, and hence are both cheaper to manufacture and less reliable. Most vendors will spec a 500K MTBF at 50% duty cycle, but I have seen some "enterprise SATA" drives spec'd to 750K@50%. Hence, the choice is based on need/budget. With SATA, one can build a large RAID5 set, and still have $$ for a hot-spare. Problem is that SATA is slower to rebuild in the case of failure, so IMHO a host spare is a must for a SATA deployment. If the usage is File shares or D2D backup, then SATA is the way to go. In the case of a heavy OLTP database or email, I would recommend FC. They rebuild faster while failing less. I hope that helps! Give me a call if you want more details! John From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jun 12 17:23:49 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jun 12 17:23:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card Info In-Reply-To: <448DD0B9.10106@accd.edu> References: <448DD0B9.10106@accd.edu> Message-ID: <1150151029.25902.130.camel@spook.afpc.randolph.af.mil> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 15:38 -0500, Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > > Who has a laptop running wireless > and what card do you use and what drivers did you have to find. I'd like > to make sure he will be successful so I could use all the info you can > spare. I have a Mini-PCI Atheros A/B/G card in my IBM, and have had no problems (SUSE 10.0). It is based on the Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) using madwifi. On the PCMCIA front, I have gotten both the SMC EZStream Universal SMC2336W-AG (A/B/G card) with the same chipset as my Mini-PCI, and a generic ACX111 card (Airlink or such) to work with minimal hassle (had to save the binary firmware in /lib, but no problem) using the acx100 Sourceforge project drivers. I have not used the USB stick adapters, so I have little input on that front. Hope that helps! John From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 22:47:18 2006 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Jun 12 22:47:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting Message-ID: <448E3546.2040906@gmail.com> The June SATLUG meeting will be Wednesday night at 7 PM. This month we have a special presentation by Chris Nystrom who will be coming down from Austin to tell us about his NewI\O project (http://www.newio.org). The meeting, as usual, will be at SAC. See you there! -- Bruce From pac at fortuitous.com Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Mon Jun 12 23:35:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SAN Storage In-Reply-To: <1150149878.25902.116.camel@spook.afpc.randolph.af.mil> References: <20060612150843.GC16310@mail.fortuitous.com> <1150149878.25902.116.camel@spook.afpc.randolph.af.mil> Message-ID: <20060613043551.GA12323@mail.fortuitous.com> On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 05:04:37PM -0500, John Pappas wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 10:08 -0500, Phil Carinhas wrote: > > Anyone know of SAN Storage, either Fibre Channel or iSCSI connects, that > > works well with Linux? We are looking for something in the $5000-$9000 > > range. > > The key is the HBA. I have found: Thanks John, That was very helpful. -Phil Carinhas -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas || http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc || Tel : 1-512-351-7783 | | Performance Engineering, Capacity Planning & Unix Svcs | `--------------------------------------------------------' From yatinhat at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 01:08:53 2006 From: yatinhat at gmail.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Tue Jun 13 01:08:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card Info Message-ID: <9816b9db0606122308v7317612cgf29c71ab247ce4f3@mail.gmail.com> Boz, In ref to that person requesting help for pcmcia wireless cards that work w/Linux. I have a Linksys Wireless-G (2.4 GHz 802.11g) notbook adapter (model #WPC54G ver. 1.2) and it worked right out of the box on my Dell Inspiron 2650 notebook using Fedora Core 5. LINKSYS is a division of Cisco Systems. I dual boot between Windows XP and Fedora 5 on all of my computers. While I had to install drivers for it to work in Windows XP, I really didn't have to do anything in Fedora 5 except plug it in, configure and use it. Now that I'm thinking of it (I do that occasionally) Linux Fedora 5 is more plug and play than Windows XP!!! Your ex student, Mary From yatinhat at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 01:13:56 2006 From: yatinhat at gmail.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Tue Jun 13 01:13:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <9816b9db0606122313x3ab7ff21tcc3d5235f798a4b5@mail.gmail.com> Did any of you happen to check out the people from IT BYTES! at the show. I have their business card and plan on doing business with them again. The owner is a former lead technician from Dell in Round Rock Texas. He left the company to become a reseller of new, used and refurbished dell computer parts and systems. This guy and his wife know their stuff. I saved a bundle on Dell Software. :) From emon at nerdshack.com Tue Jun 13 05:46:04 2006 From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon) Date: Tue Jun 13 05:46:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE sound problem Message-ID: <448E976C.5060507@nerdshack.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I am newbie running Slackware10.2 with KDE desktop I just formatted my HDD, reinstalled slackware & custom compiled the kernel. Then used the command "alsamixer" to setup the channels, then stored them with "alsactl store" I get sound on all applications (xmms, gxine, tvtime) but not the default KDE system notification sounds (like during login/logout). So I went to "Control Center" > "Sound & Multimedia" > Sound System Then under the "General" tab I made sure that "Enabled the Sound System" check box system was marked. Then under the "Hardware" tab I made sure that the audio device was ALSA (I also tried "Auto detect") Then went to "Control Center" > "Sound & Multimedia" > System Notifications" In the "Player Settings" at the bottom right hand corner, I marked "Use the KDE sound system" check box. All these did not help at all!! but amazingly when I uninstalled the "kdemultimedia" package, everything was OK!! I was getting KDE system notification sounds as well as sound on applications. Reinstalled the "kdemultimedia" package & system notification sound were gone again. This is how my settings were (as far as I know), how come it was working back then but after reinstallation has gone haywire!! I must admit that I made a much more slim installation this time (omitted quite a few packages during installation, sometimes even without realizing the consequence :-P ) Anyway, I don't need the "kdemultimedia" package at all except for the kmix applet which I keep on my panel (it comes in handy quite often). So can any one please suggest a solution to my sound problem or an alternative to kmix applet?? Thanks Emon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEjpdsaXfQjFhZoBwRAjdLAJ9S/hFnnngM2HPZ+kyK2DsZLqJA7wCfTqKB nQy8uYbIfw0S/NVKVAT818U= =CXw/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wrkwatchr at hotmail.com Tue Jun 13 06:37:27 2006 From: wrkwatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr) Date: Tue Jun 13 06:37:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <9816b9db0606122313x3ab7ff21tcc3d5235f798a4b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Do you have a website/phone number for them? Roy -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Mary Yatti Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:14 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Did any of you happen to check out the people from IT BYTES! at the show. I have their business card and plan on doing business with them again. The owner is a former lead technician from Dell in Round Rock Texas. He left the company to become a reseller of new, used and refurbished dell computer parts and systems. This guy and his wife know their stuff. I saved a bundle on Dell Software. :) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 06:42:32 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 13 06:42:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] m0n0wall help Message-ID: <277020fc0606130442t52f03127r54f99fd88b518b7e@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks: I know this is a Linux user group, but I also know many of you administer Unix systems and firewalls as well. Maybe someone can give me some pointers. I have also posted this to the m0n0wall discussion list but not received an answer yet: I'm trying to configure an IP phone to be able to connect to it's voip server within our company network. So the phone server is behind the m0n0wall firewall at work, while the IP phone is at my house, connected via DMZ to my netgear router. When I plug in the phone, it initializes and attempts to connect to the server at work. I have set up the following NAT and firewall entries to forward phone traffic to the phone server. NAT ENTRIES TCP * * 192.168.1.132 5566 NAT Intertel Phone System UDP * * 192.168.1.132 5567 NAT Intertel Phone System 2 RULES TCP * * 192.168.1.132 5566 NAT Intertel Phone System UDP * * 192.168.1.132 5567 NAT Intertel Phone System 2 Ok, if you're with me so far here is the problem we are experiencing. While watching the logs I noticed that traffic is being blocked from the phone server on the firewall's LAN interface. It's blocking source port 5566 with destination port 1028. This is the blocked packet from the log: 17:53:43.462221 LAN 192.168.1.132, port 5566 myaddresshere, port 1028 TCP I don't understand why it's being blocked. Here are the two rules I have set up for the LAN interface. The first rule blocks any computer except our mailserver from using outbound port 25. The second rule is supposed to let all other outbound traffic through the LAN interface. TCP ! 192.168.1.102 * * 25 (SMTP) Reject SMTP from other than mail server * * * * * Default LAN -> Let other outbound traffic through Any idea what's going on here??? -- My new email address is scarolan@gmail.com - please update your address book! From pac at fortuitous.com Tue Jun 13 09:48:41 2006 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Tue Jun 13 09:48:44 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] m0n0wall help In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606130442t52f03127r54f99fd88b518b7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0606130442t52f03127r54f99fd88b518b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060613144841.GC6721@mail.fortuitous.com> On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 06:42:32AM -0500, Sean Carolan wrote: > Ok, if you're with me so far here is the problem we are experiencing. > While watching the logs I noticed that traffic is being blocked from > the phone server on the firewall's LAN interface. It's blocking > source port 5566 > with destination port 1028. This is the blocked packet from the log: > > 17:53:43.462221 LAN 192.168.1.132, port 5566 myaddresshere, port > 1028 TCP > > I don't understand why it's being blocked. Here are the two rules I > have set up for the LAN interface. The first rule blocks any computer > except our mailserver from using outbound port 25. The second rule is > supposed to let all other outbound traffic through the LAN interface. > > TCP ! 192.168.1.102 * * 25 (SMTP) > Reject SMTP from > other than mail server > * * * * * Default LAN -> Let other > outbound traffic through > > Any idea what's going on here??? THere are a few possiblities: One is that the packets are not well formed. There are some extra options that block fragemented packets, so toggle that and check. You may want to set an explicit rule to pass the traffic in questions right before your catchall rule. You may wish to reconsider your blanket pass-all approach. It has some drawbacks. All of our mono systems use the default block all, and then we allow selected outbound ports. One advantage is maximal egress security. Another benefit is that it gives you more control from a maintenance perspective: instead of blocking certain (innumerable) badguys, you allow the small number of good ones. Check the states table too. Call me if you need more help. -Phil Carinhas Join our performance mailing list at: http://fortuitous.com/en/resources/lists.html -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas || http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc || Tel : 1-512-351-7783 | | Performance Engineering, Capacity Planning & Unix Svcs | `--------------------------------------------------------' From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 10:06:47 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 13 10:06:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] m0n0wall help In-Reply-To: <20060613144841.GC6721@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <277020fc0606130442t52f03127r54f99fd88b518b7e@mail.gmail.com> <20060613144841.GC6721@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606130806h64936ce4nfefee710a3d4044@mail.gmail.com> > THere are a few possiblities: One is that the packets are not well > formed. There are some extra options that block fragemented packets, so > toggle that and check. You may want to set an explicit rule to pass the > traffic in questions right before your catchall rule. I think malformed packets just might be the problem. I hadn't tried allowing broken packets through yet so will give that a shot later today. I did try setting up an explicit 'allow' rule, no results there. > > You may wish to reconsider your blanket pass-all approach. It has some > drawbacks. All of our mono systems use the default block all, and then we > allow selected outbound ports. One advantage is maximal egress security. Another > benefit is that it gives you more control from a maintenance perspective: > instead of blocking certain (innumerable) badguys, you allow the small > number of good ones. Yes, we plan to do this as soon as we get the phones up and running. > > Check the states table too. Call me if you need more help. thanks again Sean From hstreit at swri.edu Tue Jun 13 12:11:35 2006 From: hstreit at swri.edu (Hollen Streit) Date: Tue Jun 13 12:12:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE sound problem In-Reply-To: <448E976C.5060507@nerdshack.com> References: <448E976C.5060507@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <448EF1C7.5010809@swri.edu> Hello to you, too! It sounds like your soundcard's mixer is not configured properly. If your Slackware box is configured to boot into CLI (Command-Line Interface) login, rather than startup KDE Login screen, this should be simple; Login, run 'alsamixer' pick whatever sound values look right. Use the "M" key to toggle "Mute" (most stuff is Mute'd out). Quit back to the console and type 'alsactl store'. Then start KDE. Emon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all > > I am newbie running Slackware10.2 with KDE desktop > > I just formatted my HDD, reinstalled slackware & custom compiled the > kernel. Then used the command "alsamixer" to setup the channels, then > stored them with "alsactl store" > > I get sound on all applications (xmms, gxine, tvtime) but not the > default KDE system notification sounds (like during login/logout). > > So I went to "Control Center" > "Sound & Multimedia" > Sound System > > Then under the "General" tab I made sure that "Enabled the Sound System" > check box system was marked. > > Then under the "Hardware" tab I made sure that the audio device was ALSA > (I also tried "Auto detect") > > Then went to "Control Center" > "Sound & Multimedia" > System > Notifications" > > In the "Player Settings" at the bottom right hand corner, I marked "Use > the KDE sound system" check box. > > All these did not help at all!! but amazingly when I uninstalled the > "kdemultimedia" package, everything was OK!! I was getting KDE system > notification sounds as well as sound on applications. > > Reinstalled the "kdemultimedia" package & system notification sound were > gone again. > > This is how my settings were (as far as I know), how come it was working > back then but after reinstallation has gone haywire!! I must admit that > I made a much more slim installation this time (omitted quite a few > packages during installation, sometimes even without realizing the > consequence :-P ) > > Anyway, I don't need the "kdemultimedia" package at all except for the > kmix applet which I keep on my panel (it comes in handy quite often). > > So can any one please suggest a solution to my sound problem or an > alternative to kmix applet?? > > Thanks > Emon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEjpdsaXfQjFhZoBwRAjdLAJ9S/hFnnngM2HPZ+kyK2DsZLqJA7wCfTqKB > nQy8uYbIfw0S/NVKVAT818U= > =CXw/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From solinym at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 13:13:01 2006 From: solinym at gmail.com (Travis H.) Date: Tue Jun 13 13:13:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE sound problem In-Reply-To: <448E976C.5060507@nerdshack.com> References: <448E976C.5060507@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: Perhaps it's because KDE uses artsd instead of alsa. As I understand it, artsd and esound are sound system controllers that do e.g. mixing in software rather than on your soundcard. Check out the artscontrol application. -- Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. Security "guru" for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -><- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 From geevowitz at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 13:25:28 2006 From: geevowitz at gmail.com (Gavin Brower) Date: Tue Jun 13 13:25:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge Message-ID: As some of you might know, right now there is a company dedicated to educating the world by developing and selling a cheap laptop for children in developing countries. The company hopes to make these laptops widely available and cost about a $100. You can read more about it at laptop.orgThe best part is that the OLPC will run Linux! I think it is a great idea, and some of you might already know that there is a pledge going on so that you can help out and buy an OLPC for $300, that would buy two kids in a developing country each one, and you would also receive one. And you can sign up at this site right here . I just wanted to get the word out to people who are interested, and if you can, please sign up! Thanks, Gavin From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Jun 13 14:44:06 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Jun 13 14:44:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] image extraction Message-ID: <200606131944.k5DJi6jC031876@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Is there a way/script/program/macro to extract images embedded in an openoffice document to individual files without losing resolution on these image files? thanks, -Borries From jesse at liberto.org Tue Jun 13 15:00:04 2006 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Tue Jun 13 14:59:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] image extraction In-Reply-To: <200606131944.k5DJi6jC031876@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200606131944.k5DJi6jC031876@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <448F1944.3090707@liberto.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Borries Demeler wrote: > Is there a way/script/program/macro to extract images embedded in an > openoffice document to individual files without losing resolution on > these image files? > > thanks, -Borries I haven't used openoffice for a while, but I believe that openoffice documents are zip files with the openoffice extension, unzip it and see if your images are in there. ~jesse - -- Jesse Gonzalez Network/System Administrator Liberto Management Co., Inc. (210) 226 4167 x285 (210) 226 3075 Fax jesse@liberto.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEjxlEq+R5ApuyNWERAnggAKCLabflokh9Cx9Pk2HMrPoFPnntzwCfabvt /I8Uwsm/lK8PegPgbEJVOpY= =gSQS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Jun 13 15:01:38 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Tue Jun 13 15:02:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200606131501.39111.nman64@n-man.com> On Tuesday 13 June 2006 13:25, "Gavin Brower" wrote: > As some of you might know, right now there is a company dedicated to > educating the world by developing and selling a cheap laptop for children > in developing countries. The company hopes to make these laptops widely > available and cost about a $100. You can read more about it at > laptop.orgThe best part is that the OLPC will run Linux! > > I think it is a great idea, and some of you might already know that there > is a pledge going on so that you can help out > and buy an OLPC for $300, that would buy two kids in a developing country > each one, and you would also receive one. And you can sign up at this site > right here . > > I just wanted to get the word out to people who are interested, and if you > can, please sign up! > To elaborate a little, the organization behind the initiative consists of several major open source players and is spearheaded within MIT. Red Hat has pledged the software platform, which will be based upon Fedora Core technologies and will feature many new advances to improve power and performance on the lightweight hardware. Note that the platform will *not* be Fedora Core, it will simply share a few Fedora Core technologies. The platform itself will be truly unique, and it will be available for others to use and enhance, just like any other FOSS platform. Additional details about the software platform, along with links to some interesting resources, are available at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC As Gavin said, please consider participating the the pledge opportunity if you can, and be sure to spread the word. These laptops will bring valuable learning tools to parts of the world where such opportunities are very rare. http://laptop.org/ -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Jun 13 15:35:48 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Jun 13 15:35:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] image extraction In-Reply-To: <448F1944.3090707@liberto.org> Message-ID: <200606132035.k5DKZmW7021615@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > I haven't used openoffice for a while, but I believe that openoffice > documents are zip files with the openoffice extension, unzip it and > see if your images are in there. > > ~jesse This is really cool, yes, that works! I even tried converting a Microsoft word document to ODT and then extracting it, and that worked as well! Thanks, -Borries From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 13 17:40:54 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 13 17:41:26 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> What about cheap laptops for the rest of us? Gavin Brower wrote: > As some of you might know, right now there is a company dedicated to > educating the world by developing and selling a cheap laptop for > children in > developing countries. The company hopes to make these laptops widely > available and cost about a $100. You can read more about it at > laptop.orgThe best part is that the OLPC will run Linux! > > I think it is a great idea, and some of you might already know that > there is > a pledge going on so that you can help out > and > buy an OLPC for $300, that would buy two kids in a developing country > each > one, and you would also receive one. And you can sign up at this site > right > here . > > I just wanted to get the word out to people who are interested, and if > you > can, please sign up! > > Thanks, > Gavin From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 18:13:37 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jun 13 18:13:44 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mitch Thompson wrote: > What about cheap laptops for the rest of us? LOL. I have one that I can sell you for $175..has a lever on the side.. aahh..nevermind.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 18:30:01 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Jun 13 18:30:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606131630o3e0b6e68x7332278cb7018a72@mail.gmail.com> So this pledge page is not officially sponsored by Negroponte, correct? From what I've read, it's actually going to cost around $140 (to start), and will not be offered to the general public at any cost. (Unless the Nigerian kids sell them on eBay.) From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 13 21:21:01 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 13 21:21:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <448F728D.6090008@satx.rr.com> Nah, I want one with a hand crank... Never mind, I have too many laptops right now, anyway. Alex Bartonek wrote: > --- Mitch Thompson wrote: > > >> What about cheap laptops for the rest of us? >> > > LOL. I have one that I can sell you for $175..has a > lever on the side.. aahh..nevermind.. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 13 21:21:57 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 13 21:22:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606131630o3e0b6e68x7332278cb7018a72@mail.gmail.com> References: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0606131630o3e0b6e68x7332278cb7018a72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <448F72C5.60707@satx.rr.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > So this pledge page is not officially sponsored by Negroponte, > correct? From what I've read, it's actually going to cost around $140 > (to start), and will not be offered to the general public at any cost. > (Unless the Nigerian kids sell them on eBay.) Maybe they'll make the kids sign agreements not to sell them. From benjamin.temple at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 23:01:24 2006 From: benjamin.temple at gmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Tue Jun 13 23:01:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: References: <9816b9db0606122313x3ab7ff21tcc3d5235f798a4b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <368c881c0606132101k4cb94046n356fd0d7ccfd1f22@mail.gmail.com> Do any of you know the contact information of the people who sold the $89.99 motherboard\CPU combo On 6/13/06, Wrkwatchr wrote: > > Do you have a website/phone number for them? > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf > Of Mary Yatti > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:14 AM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show > > Did any of you happen to check out the people from IT BYTES! at the show. > > I have their business card and plan on doing business with them > again. The > owner is a former lead technician from Dell in Round Rock Texas. He left > the company to become a reseller of new, used and refurbished dell > computer > parts and systems. This guy and his wife know their stuff. I saved a > bundle on Dell Software. :) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jun 13 23:02:02 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Tue Jun 13 23:01:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Card Info In-Reply-To: <9816b9db0606122308v7317612cgf29c71ab247ce4f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9816b9db0606122308v7317612cgf29c71ab247ce4f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606132302.03118.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 13 June 2006 01:08, Mary Yatti wrote: > Boz, > > In ref to that person requesting help for pcmcia wireless cards that work > w/Linux. > > I have a Linksys Wireless-G (2.4 GHz 802.11g) notbook adapter (model > #WPC54G ver. 1.2) and it worked right out of the box on my Dell Inspiron > 2650 notebook using Fedora Core 5. LINKSYS is a division of Cisco Systems. What does /sbin/lspci tell you? Tweeks From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 13 23:40:02 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 13 23:40:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <368c881c0606132101k4cb94046n356fd0d7ccfd1f22@mail.gmail.com> References: <9816b9db0606122313x3ab7ff21tcc3d5235f798a4b5@mail.gmail.com> <368c881c0606132101k4cb94046n356fd0d7ccfd1f22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606132340.03082.wmail@wricomp.com> On Tuesday 13 June 2006 23:01, Benjamin Temple wrote: > Do any of you know the contact information of the people who sold the > $89.99 motherboard\CPU combo Might have been Izzy's Computer Depot. They have a number of packages. Sometimes they have an AMD XP 2200 + mobo for $99. http://www.izzyscomputerdepot.com/ From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Jun 14 01:07:01 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Wed Jun 14 01:08:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606131630o3e0b6e68x7332278cb7018a72@mail.gmail.com> References: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0606131630o3e0b6e68x7332278cb7018a72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606140107.01946.nman64@n-man.com> On Tuesday 13 June 2006 18:30, "Sean Carolan" wrote: > So this pledge page is not officially sponsored by Negroponte, > correct? From what I've read, it's actually going to cost around $140 > (to start), and will not be offered to the general public at any cost. > (Unless the Nigerian kids sell them on eBay.) The laptops made and distributed as part of this program will not be marketed to the general public, but they will be built on open technologies, so other manufacturers could step in and use the technologies to produce inexpensive laptops for the rest of us. Since the systems are so lightweight, they really won't be of much use to people who have more advanced systems available to them. These really are made to be learning tools for children and not much more. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 08:56:22 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Jun 14 08:56:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <200606140107.01946.nman64@n-man.com> References: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0606131630o3e0b6e68x7332278cb7018a72@mail.gmail.com> <200606140107.01946.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <44901586.7060801@gmail.com> Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > The laptops made and distributed as part of this program will not be marketed > to the general public, but they will be built on open technologies, so other > manufacturers could step in and use the technologies to produce inexpensive > laptops for the rest of us. Since the systems are so lightweight, they > really won't be of much use to people who have more advanced systems > available to them. These really are made to be learning tools for children > and not much more. > Yes, but it will create an opportunity for someone to produce an inexpensive (for a change) competitor to the (outrageously overpriced) Palms, PockePCs, and UMPCs (think Origami). Imagine a $200-250 alternative to the Sharp Zaurus with a small solar panel or rechargeable battery in place of the hand crank. That would be really sweet. Any VCs out there looking for "The Next Big Thing"(TM)? ;^) ~Nate From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 12:57:32 2006 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Wed Jun 14 12:56:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Treasurer Needs to Contact These Members Message-ID: <44904E0C.6030201@gmail.com> Hello, As Treasurer, I have gone through the SATLUG records and I found some items that I need to straighten out. I need to contact the following members /former members. Eric Haugen Seguin, TX Robert Visscher San Antonio, TX Jon Michael Robberts, Adkins, TX Ruben Villanueva San Antonio, TX Ruben or Doris Medrano San Antonio, TX IF any of you are still members PLEASE contact me directly off list using the treasurer@satlug account. If anyone on the list should know if any of these are no longer members, I would appreciate if if you would let me know that information. Thanks for everybody's help. Jim Wells, Treasurer San Antonio Linux Users Group From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 13:55:44 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jun 14 13:55:46 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <44901586.7060801@gmail.com> References: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> <20060613231337.81540.qmail@web54312.mail.yahoo.com> <277020fc0606131630o3e0b6e68x7332278cb7018a72@mail.gmail.com> <200606140107.01946.nman64@n-man.com> <44901586.7060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606141155k2c98cd69q33193cac81fcf8a@mail.gmail.com> > Yes, but it will create an opportunity for someone to produce an > inexpensive (for a change) competitor to the (outrageously overpriced) > Palms, PockePCs, and UMPCs (think Origami). Imagine a $200-250 > alternative to the Sharp Zaurus with a small solar panel or rechargeable > battery in place of the hand crank. That would be really sweet. > > Any VCs out there looking for "The Next Big Thing"(TM)? ;^) I would love to have a small, portable linux device with wifi and a KEYBOARD. The nokia 770 is OK, but touch-screen keyboard or handwriting recognition just sucks. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jun 14 20:42:03 2006 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Wed Jun 14 20:41:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <277020fc0606141155k2c98cd69q33193cac81fcf8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> <44901586.7060801@gmail.com> <277020fc0606141155k2c98cd69q33193cac81fcf8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606142042.04816.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 14 June 2006 13:55, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Yes, but it will create an opportunity for someone to produce an > > inexpensive (for a change) competitor to the (outrageously overpriced) > > Palms, PockePCs, and UMPCs (think Origami). Imagine a $200-250 > > alternative to the Sharp Zaurus That's the Nokia 770. :) > I would love to have a small, portable linux device with wifi and a > KEYBOARD. The nokia 770 is OK, but touch-screen keyboard or > handwriting recognition just sucks. I agree... But that's why the open projects around the 770 are so cool. Bluetooth keyboard driver for your Nokia? No problem: http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/ Tweeks From donkrebs at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 14 22:58:05 2006 From: donkrebs at sbcglobal.net (Don Krebs) Date: Wed Jun 14 22:58:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] wireless WORKS! Message-ID: <20060615035805.65358.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Glenn, Matt, & Channing, Thank you for the time & expertise you spent on me Wednesday night. I got home, turned on my wireless router that I have not been using, & what do you know??? it works fine now! I am sending this from my Linux Notebook, by wireless router. Thanks again, Don Krebs From fhuddles at yahoo.com Thu Jun 15 00:38:40 2006 From: fhuddles at yahoo.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Thu Jun 15 00:38:42 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Chipsets and Linux support for ConnectGear wireless card Message-ID: <4490F260.1080301@yahoo.com> There was someone at tonight's SATLUG meeting with one of these ConnectGear cards, trying to get it to work with Linux (Ubuntu). Here's some information that might be helpful; a reply to a message I sent to their sales team. Frank Huddleston -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Chipset(s) used in WE340G Wireless PCMCIA card, and Linux support Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:21:40 -0700 From: ConnectGear Tech Support To: Hi, Frank: Our WE340G PCMCIA wireless adapter use the Ralink RT2500 chipet. We have only one version on our WE340g. You can visit Ralink web site http://www.ralink.com.tw/supp-1.htm or download the Linux driver v1.4.6.4 directly from this link http://www.ralink.com.tw/drivers/Linux/RT2500-Linux-STA-1.4.6.4.tar.gz Thanks. Best regards, Judy Chang Tech Support ConnectGear -----Original Message----- *From:* Frank Huddleston [mailto:fhuddles@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:36 AM *To:* Sales@ConnectGear.com *Subject:* Chipset(s) used in WE340G Wireless PCMCIA card, and Linux support Greetings, Can you tell me what chipset or chipsets are used in your WE340G PCMCIA wireless adapter? Are there different revisions with different chipsets, or are all the same? Also, can you tell me anything about Linux support for this card, or point me to any resources for this? Thanks, Frank Huddleston fhuddles@yahoo.com From emon at nerdshack.com Thu Jun 15 01:32:33 2006 From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon) Date: Thu Jun 15 01:56:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE sound problem In-Reply-To: <448E976C.5060507@nerdshack.com> References: <448E976C.5060507@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <4490FF01.1000106@nerdshack.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi again everyone I have solved the problem... this is how it was done. Feel free to trash this mail now! if you are not interested :-) (I don't know why, but...) I instinctively thought that the kernel was to blame, may be because somebody somewhere once told me that alsa can give problems if compiled as a module. But after recompiling the kernel several times (with different configuration) & failing to solve the problem; I suddenly realized that since this was a slim down installation, why not go into the "applications" directory of slackware & install everything!! to see if thing work... & sure enough it did. So I started to uninstall the applications one by one (except for the ones I needed) & kept checking for sound; I found the culprit to be a pkg called "flac" (I added the description that came along with this pkg below) So... how dumb was it of me to go after the kernel (even though this kernel was working on the previous installation!!) & then go after the applications?? Beside could there have been a more sane way to figure this out?? I mean there was no mention of dependencies (as far as I could see) & there was no error (again.... as far as I could see :-) ). OR is this the price I have to pay in *nix world for not knowing *everything* there is to know about *everything* Do I have a right to whine about this ?? :-) Thanks for your time Emon FLAC stands for Free Lossless Audio Codec. Grossly oversimplified, FLAC is similar to MP3, but lossless. "Free" means that the specification of the stream format is in the public domain, and that neither the FLAC format nor any of the implemented encoding/decoding methods are covered by any patent. It also means that the sources for libFLAC and libFLAC++ are available under the LGPL and the sources for flac, metaflac, and the plugins are available under the GPL. FLAC was developed by Josh Coalson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEkP8BaXfQjFhZoBwRAlvtAJ4vpRC3PkyLJY+c/tEIGPws1PSJgwCfbCf5 xZAt9hg5/skPKf4GhL7xyVk= =Wyil -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jun 15 06:32:09 2006 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Jun 15 06:44:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20060606234848.27329.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> <5ef09f10606070654y1860417csf040b6e075cf510b@mail.gmail.com> <4486DF6B.4010402@satx.rr.com> <20060607092519.rm52ug27wsg4g8s0@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <1150371129.3720.27.camel@ftdtlsuse2.amedd.army.mil> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 09:25 -0500, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Here is my quandry... [...] > What I do is a number of things that the average tech does (like > fix/tweak things, resolve conflicts with software, ip's etc...), but I > also do things that a consultant does (like recommend hardware, > software, telecom, and other technologies), and I design and develop > web apps for internal use only (so they don't have to be pretty). I > also do a lot of other little things. > > Well I've come to the conclusion that it's time to look for a new job. > While I know what kind of company I would like to work for, I am > having a heck of a time getting noticed because no one can get beyond > my job titles and those that do...are offering me work way below my > skillset at pay that's well below what I am making now. > > I am versed in Linux (Debian mostly), PHP, MySQL, C++, Windows, > Windows Server, telephone systems, audio/video, satellite > uplink/downlink, and countless other areas. > > I just don't know how to break out of this rut. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? I feel your pain. I recently had my job title changed from Senior Network Engineer to System Administrator, with no changes in what I do. While I do spend several hours each week troubleshooting network problems, that's what any sysadmin would have to do with nodes spread all over the country. I recommended the job title be changed to either system administrator (since that's what I am) or Endless Mindnumbing Meetings Participant. I guess it's a good thing my boss has a sense of humor. Al Castanoli From me at josh-kerr.com Thu Jun 15 07:55:20 2006 From: me at josh-kerr.com (Josh Kerr) Date: Thu Jun 15 06:55:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're on the topic of jobs... In-Reply-To: <1150371129.3720.27.camel@ftdtlsuse2.amedd.army.mil> Message-ID: <000601c6907a$f5e08620$0300a8c0@optimus> That's better than coffee this early in the morning! I recommended the job title be changed to either system administrator (since that's what I am) or Endless Mindnumbing Meetings Participant. I guess it's a good thing my boss has a sense of humor. From chmims at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 08:34:59 2006 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Jun 15 08:35:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Chipsets and Linux support for ConnectGear wireless card In-Reply-To: <4490F260.1080301@yahoo.com> References: <4490F260.1080301@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580606150634q29655398k48192657eed801af@mail.gmail.com> I use a pci card with that same chipset. Ubuntu recognizes and configures it on install. I use it also in Fedora 4 and Redhat ED4. With the latter two I have to compile and install the module but it works. However the driver does NOT work with 64 bit Fedora. There is an OS driver rt2x00 that is a work in progress. A google search should find it for you. There is a helpful forum available. On 6/15/06, Frank Huddleston wrote: > > There was someone at tonight's SATLUG meeting with one of these > ConnectGear cards, trying to get it to work with Linux (Ubuntu). > Here's some information that might be helpful; a reply to a message I > sent to their sales team. > > Frank Huddleston > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Chipset(s) used in WE340G Wireless PCMCIA card, and Linux > support > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:21:40 -0700 > From: ConnectGear Tech Support > To: > > > > Hi, Frank: > > Our WE340G PCMCIA wireless adapter use the Ralink RT2500 chipet. We > have only one version on our WE340g. > > You can visit Ralink web site http://www.ralink.com.tw/supp-1.htm > or download the Linux driver v1.4.6.4 directly from this link > http://www.ralink.com.tw/drivers/Linux/RT2500-Linux-STA-1.4.6.4.tar.gz > > Thanks. > > Best regards, > Judy Chang > Tech Support > ConnectGear > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Frank Huddleston [mailto:fhuddles@yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:36 AM > *To:* Sales@ConnectGear.com > *Subject:* Chipset(s) used in WE340G Wireless PCMCIA card, and Linux > support > > Greetings, > > Can you tell me what chipset or chipsets are used in your WE340G > PCMCIA wireless adapter? Are there different revisions with different > chipsets, or are all the same? > Also, can you tell me anything about Linux support for this card, or > point me to any resources for this? > > Thanks, > > Frank Huddleston > fhuddles@yahoo.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 08:51:57 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jun 15 08:52:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <200606142042.04816.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> <44901586.7060801@gmail.com> <277020fc0606141155k2c98cd69q33193cac81fcf8a@mail.gmail.com> <200606142042.04816.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <449165FD.7010500@gmail.com> Tom Weeks wrote: > On Wednesday 14 June 2006 13:55, Sean Carolan wrote: > >>> Yes, but it will create an opportunity for someone to produce an >>> inexpensive (for a change) competitor to the (outrageously overpriced) >>> Palms, PockePCs, and UMPCs (think Origami). Imagine a $200-250 >>> alternative to the Sharp Zaurus >>> > > That's the Nokia 770. :) > > Actually, it isn't. There are a number of problems with the 770 right now, and it cannot be considered a laptop in any context. I was really hyped up on Maemo when they first introduced it, but have since become very disappointed in what they have done (or haven't done) with it. The GUI has far too much wasted space (like many linux wm's) for a screen that small, and their new keyboard is just useless. The device is seriously underpowered and is way too short on storage. You can't watch a video file at full screen without seriously bogging down, and and their are the only ones using the super-teeny-tiny SD cards. > I would love to have a small, portable linux device with wifi and a > KEYBOARD. The nokia 770 is OK, but touch-screen keyboard or > handwriting recognition just sucks. > I still miss the (near perfect) HWR of my old Newton 2100. That was a device ahead of it's time. > I agree... But that's why the open projects around the 770 are so cool. > Bluetooth keyboard driver for your Nokia? No problem: > http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/ > It was supposed to have a keyboard driver built-in to the OS. Don't get me wrong, I liked the idea of a linux PDA that would allow you to drop to the command line when you want to. I just think that the 770 missed the mark. ~Nate From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 09:22:50 2006 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Jun 15 09:22:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] One Laptop Per Child Pledge In-Reply-To: <449165FD.7010500@gmail.com> References: <448F3EF6.6020202@satx.rr.com> <44901586.7060801@gmail.com> <277020fc0606141155k2c98cd69q33193cac81fcf8a@mail.gmail.com> <200606142042.04816.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <449165FD.7010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0606150722gb6590f7wd8063b593ccdd370@mail.gmail.com> > It was supposed to have a keyboard driver built-in to the OS. Don't get > me wrong, I liked the idea of a linux PDA that would allow you to drop > to the command line when you want to. I just think that the 770 missed > the mark. I played with my friend's 770 for a bit. He's not a Linux sysadmin so doesn't use command line very much, but he let me install busybox, xterm, and dropbear on it. It's a cute device, but the character input is extremely difficult. I used to use a Handspring Visor with a folding targus keyboard. Something like that for the 770 would make it easier to use. I don't know about the bluetooth keyboards - I'd actually prefer to have one that didn't require it's own batteries or power supply, and just docked the 770 into the stand like my handspring used to do. From donkrebs at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 15 09:39:57 2006 From: donkrebs at sbcglobal.net (Don Krebs) Date: Thu Jun 15 09:40:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE:Chipsets and Linux support for ConnectGear wireless card Message-ID: <20060615143957.65717.qmail@web80613.mail.yahoo.com> Frank, thanks for your effort. As it turns out, this is the driver I found & placed on my little machine, but it was not working. After a room full of very smart "penguin people" helped the old man, it got configured & works very nicely now. Again, Thanks. dk From fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 15 13:29:08 2006 From: fakie_flip2000 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Thu Jun 15 13:29:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] satlug meeting Message-ID: <20060615182908.1089.qmail@web32004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When is the next satlug meeting? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From channing-c at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 15 14:10:36 2006 From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing) Date: Thu Jun 15 14:10:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] satlug meeting In-Reply-To: <20060615182908.1089.qmail@web32004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060615182908.1089.qmail@web32004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4491B0AC.7080805@satx.rr.com> Chris wrote: > When is the next satlug meeting? > __________________________________________________ > Aug 9 (Wed) is the next meeting. July is dedicated to the Open Source Fest. Details coming when the coordinator returns from vacation. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Jun 15 14:39:18 2006 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Jun 15 14:39:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL Message-ID: All, I'm moving from TWC to DSL and I was looking at the documentation that came with the DSL modem and it comes with the Yahoo install disk with all of that SBC/ATT/Yahoo junk that I don't want installed. Is there anything special I need to do to use AT&T DSL with Linux? Also, my current D-Link router and the modem have the same IP, should I just change the router's IP, or is there a way to change the modem's IP (I actually haven't hooked up the modem yet, but documentation has the IP of the modem). Is there a login/password? I didn't have a login/password for my cable modem, so I'm not sure if there will be one for the DSL modem. Anyways, if anybody has some good tips I'd be interested in hearing them. TIA, Kase From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 14:48:08 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Jun 15 14:48:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0606151248q37b828aaw4007904433cefb19@mail.gmail.com> Kase, it should be just the same as cable, but I think DSL requires a login. Your router should have a section where you can tell it username and password for the connection. Why the switch from cable to DSL? On 6/15/06, Kase Saylor wrote: > All, > > I'm moving from TWC to DSL and I was looking at the documentation that came > with the DSL modem and it comes with the Yahoo install disk with all of that > SBC/ATT/Yahoo junk that I don't want installed. Is there anything special I > need to do to use AT&T DSL with Linux? Also, my current D-Link router and > the modem have the same IP, should I just change the router's IP, or is > there a way to change the modem's IP (I actually haven't hooked up the modem > yet, but documentation has the IP of the modem). Is there a login/password? > I didn't have a login/password for my cable modem, so I'm not sure if there > will be one for the DSL modem. Anyways, if anybody has some good tips I'd be > interested in hearing them. > > TIA, > > Kase > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Jun 15 14:53:15 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Jun 15 14:53:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DS In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0606151248q37b828aaw4007904433cefb19@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0606151248q37b828aaw4007904433cefb19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4491BAAB.3080706@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Jeremy Mann wrote: > Kase, it should be just the same as cable, but I think DSL requires a > login. Your router should have a section where you can tell it > username and password for the connection. I have fiber from ATT and mine's PPPoE. Not sure if it's the same with a DSL modem. > > Why the switch from cable to DSL? I get 4mbit down 2.5 mbit up for $29.99 . That's a good reason to hop from Cable to DSL :) Cheapness :) > > > On 6/15/06, Kase Saylor wrote: >> All, >> >> I'm moving from TWC to DSL and I was looking at the documentation that >> came >> with the DSL modem and it comes with the Yahoo install disk with all >> of that >> SBC/ATT/Yahoo junk that I don't want installed. Is there anything >> special I >> need to do to use AT&T DSL with Linux? Also, my current D-Link router and >> the modem have the same IP, should I just change the router's IP, or is >> there a way to change the modem's IP (I actually haven't hooked up the >> modem >> yet, but documentation has the IP of the modem). Is there a >> login/password? >> I didn't have a login/password for my cable modem, so I'm not sure if >> there >> will be one for the DSL modem. Anyways, if anybody has some good tips >> I'd be >> interested in hearing them. >> - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRJG6qsnf+vRw63ObAQrCJgv+JGETshmX1dpZIcUeC+/hIiz4BVijY/n/ SarsQj2K86cfK0V2mg5+ZeacWCMj//PgCm15c0S8pyykbxoU5D4FLXViFsrrfdFz tfs/syLqKnB5fdilz732GfGJbmxazd6BpKlKkoWFWLIQ0uiITVa0cBZj72IWBQqZ TNEafWUZUYmiKtBkcZxQdba2+QwFTd7nD24DC/AzhPLE1dSh2HEV6IXine6gEXwY ncakbnon4dxUpe8LpkqNC4OsBOzPrHRa4wgcg/sELs4KoId/MmydmzHYD9Cenhr/ mov5WB6eUi9txpd4oTGTUIUDH0EbwVpLFsRzuZD0hQw9RnCP38BkaRjpbnb7FxO6 PIvgiyHA+li89MFN/kFbIruDSKGBT7YAWczFkq+Aq5nLFHDvAmPPcMlKTalcoLBW KKNHXclIHXpCq51TR8hlS8HBmIbUnQhQItiispaEs4Fhex2VZvZ9cxAt8DXFo3Ec m4+/46bbjaZ6ERrDLt4N/NumRoB7ng5O =VmZN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Jun 15 15:26:46 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jun 15 15:26:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200606151526.46317.wmail@wricomp.com> On Thursday 15 June 2006 14:39, Kase Saylor wrote: > Is there anything special I need to do to use AT&T DSL with > Linux? Yes. You have to use Internet Explorer, which requires Windows. There is a long-standing HTML bug in a critical signup page that prevents you from agreeing to the Terms unless you're running IE. Firefox and all Mozilla-derived browsers are known not to work. I tried for days, but ended up putting Win98 on a sacrificial box to click that d**ned button. (And it's *fun* to download years of updates with dial-up.) > Also, my current D-Link router and the modem have the same IP, > should I just change the router's IP, or is there a way to change > the modem's IP (I actually haven't hooked up the modem yet, > but documentation has the IP of the modem). Most small routers can't talk to WAN devices that use the same IP as their LAN address. I'd strongly suggest changing the LAN range on your D-Link. Changing the AT&T-provided equipment, while possible, is just asking for trouble. > Is there a login/password? You create that yourself during the signup process. After that, it generally resides on the DSL modem and you just use DHCP to get your public IP address and other info. Most of this info can be found in the FAQ of the AT&T Southwest forum on DSL Reports. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ilec,swbell Good luck! --Don From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Jun 15 15:31:03 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Jun 15 15:31:08 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <200606151526.46317.wmail@wricomp.com> References: <200606151526.46317.wmail@wricomp.com> Message-ID: <4491C387.7060701@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Don Wright wrote: > On Thursday 15 June 2006 14:39, Kase Saylor wrote: >> Is there anything special I need to do to use AT&T DSL with >> Linux? > > Yes. You have to use Internet Explorer, which requires Windows. There is > a long-standing HTML bug in a critical signup page that prevents you > from agreeing to the Terms unless you're running IE. Firefox and all > Mozilla-derived browsers are known not to work. I tried for days, but > ended up putting Win98 on a sacrificial box to click that d**ned > button. (And it's *fun* to download years of updates with dial-up.) > Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I ended up using the Tech's laptop to finish the sign-up procedure... - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRJHDh8nf+vRw63ObAQpsNwv8CNnYtQWOvQucnf2ihTM+mZQ2OlmzbkYd z0FlOBYO+Rk9MrULKesJE+9y9Ozuj3mGFQlBYh6/dElM9Ak/nMIMew/sp/jzeif+ l8D5hxJwmwumpvB18GYfUji+7KYZnlk+s05h0oNW5OkI9m25DTIT9iZdosJTDRwC Gh21vOFupesABx6/5i7c5sLlUxGcAnenofnnzVUB1ND6D9rXLqAQlOEoGms/FZLY suStl4C1srsYV5GfwCbt2aK6yG6PzqlnwYusF5YCw8ndKmYo5oezHwMIb1Oarggb Zpr2NOy96FEYspQxzK48VZCYHhezlb00O1p9MLji55FfUSx78OP/D4ICKbJQFgeJ 8iC1LFQh+ndsZY8E3/Xs69YvXatfJmSR/ODRb/XeVH52Y5G+uAINUMZ7o2+nOjLc ixROsVdPA5P3Et+aZwQAawV7/d5GfBXi0hMUeXy0ZEiee0uMS4s6Gcn62eLIv9/k VkzuQEU1owGf2fKR3R4wa/bT6RhA0WBS =wt77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From j at jvpappas.net Thu Jun 15 18:41:43 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Jun 15 18:41:49 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DS In-Reply-To: <4491BAAB.3080706@shlrm.org> References: <79ec289f0606151248q37b828aaw4007904433cefb19@mail.gmail.com> <4491BAAB.3080706@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1150414903.6907.58.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 14:53 -0500, David Kowis wrote: <...> > > I have fiber from ATT and mine's PPPoE. Not sure if it's the same with a > DSL modem. > > > > > Why the switch from cable to DSL? > > I get 4mbit down 2.5 mbit up for $29.99 . That's a good reason to hop > from Cable to DSL :) Cheapness :) > <....> We don't get any cool FTTC (Fiber to the Curb) where I am, so I am stuck with TWC. I have also discovered that I CANNOT get any type of connectivity with upstream > 768. I find an 16:1 up:down (ie 512K/8M cable) ratio is really not good when you are constantly transferring files between systems on each side of the connecting :( From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Jun 15 21:29:39 2006 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Jun 15 21:29:44 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <200606151526.46317.wmail@wricomp.com> Message-ID: >Yes. You have to use Internet Explorer, which requires Windows. There is >a long-standing HTML bug in a critical signup page that prevents you >from agreeing to the Terms unless you're running IE. Firefox and all >Mozilla-derived browsers are known not to work. I tried for days, but >ended up putting Win98 on a sacrificial box to click that d**ned >button. (And it's *fun* to download years of updates with dial-up.) > > > Also, my current D-Link router and the modem have the same IP, > > should I just change the router's IP, or is there a way to change > > the modem's IP (I actually haven't hooked up the modem yet, > > but documentation has the IP of the modem). > >Most small routers can't talk to WAN devices that use the same IP as >their LAN address. I'd strongly suggest changing the LAN range on your >D-Link. Changing the AT&T-provided equipment, while possible, is just >asking for trouble. > > > Is there a login/password? >You create that yourself during the signup process. After that, it >generally resides on the DSL modem and you just use DHCP to get your >public IP address and other info. > >Most of this info can be found in the FAQ of the AT&T Southwest forum on >DSL Reports. >http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ilec,swbell > >Good luck! --Don >-- Thanks for all the great info. To answer the question as to why, well a few months ago I decided I was tired of paying the outrageous prices that TWC charges, so I told them I was going to DSL. They told me about RoadRunner Lite - same speed as DSL for about the same price ($26.99 I think). I thought that would be fine, but every since we've switched over the connection is very intermittent. I'll be in the middle of browsing and the connection will go away,in a minute or two it comes back. Right now AT&T is running a year special for their "pro" level (non-static IP), for $17.99/month, and if you send in a cable bill you'll get three months free. So I guess I'll keep it for a year, and see what other specials come up. I guess I'll find out on Friday how DSL works out. Kase From afcasta at texas.net Thu Jun 15 22:25:39 2006 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Jun 15 22:39:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: References: <89984D907655BE42BC70B5C334497F560506473D@SA1EMS2.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <1150428340.3215.9.camel@ftdtlsuse2.amedd.army.mil> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 15:32 -0500, koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > Just to give you guys a run down, we're using Tivoli for our Houston > site and ArcServ for our SA site. Problem is we are trying to phase > away from Tivoli and move things off to ArcServ. We have two AIX 5.1 > systems that are clustered and they run various scripts to do > hotbackups for our Oracle databases. Right now the scripts push the > hotbackups straight to tape. ArcServ on the other hand only pulls from > the server, the agents or clients can't push. (or that's what CA said) > My idea is to setup an NFS server on our W2k3 so that the scripts can > push to the server and ArcServ can backup the data locally from there. > Do you guys know of any light weight free software for this? I would > use a linux box, but then we would be pushing to the linux box, then > pulling from the linux box to the w2k3 server. The switches at this > site aren't the greatest and aren't spread out ri ght. (another project) > So when we do backups at night the network slows down ALOT. So the > less trafic I take > up the better. Any ideas? I've thought about setting up samba on the > two aix boxes, but we don't have enough disk space available to push > the hotbackups to. We are working with EMC to maybe add more disk > space or get a different unit since we are using Symetrix and those are > hard for us to maintaine. (not a spelling B champ). I'd highly recommended adding disk space to your Oracle boxen to store your daily hotbackups. I do that with my Oracle 10g hotbackups, then dump to tape, but it's a lot easier to do restores and database rebuilds from information already on disk than to have to deal with tape. Once you have the disk space set aside to store your hotbackups, you can make that space a samba share and have ArcServ dump it to tape. Al Castanoli From koflanagan at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 15 23:02:36 2006 From: koflanagan at satx.rr.com (koflanagan) Date: Thu Jun 15 23:02:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction In-Reply-To: <1150428340.3215.9.camel@ftdtlsuse2.amedd.army.mil> Message-ID: <200606160402.k5G42R0i005062@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Al Castanoli Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:26 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Quick question about AIX and Windows interaction On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 15:32 -0500, koflanagan@satx.rr.com wrote: > Just to give you guys a run down, we're using Tivoli for our Houston > site and ArcServ for our SA site. Problem is we are trying to phase > away from Tivoli and move things off to ArcServ. We have two AIX 5.1 > systems that are clustered and they run various scripts to do > hotbackups for our Oracle databases. Right now the scripts push the > hotbackups straight to tape. ArcServ on the other hand only pulls from > the server, the agents or clients can't push. (or that's what CA said) > My idea is to setup an NFS server on our W2k3 so that the scripts can > push to the server and ArcServ can backup the data locally from there. > Do you guys know of any light weight free software for this? I would > use a linux box, but then we would be pushing to the linux box, then > pulling from the linux box to the w2k3 server. The switches at this > site aren't the greatest and aren't spread out ri ght. (another project) > So when we do backups at night the network slows down ALOT. So the > less trafic I take > up the better. Any ideas? I've thought about setting up samba on the > two aix boxes, but we don't have enough disk space available to push > the hotbackups to. We are working with EMC to maybe add more disk > space or get a different unit since we are using Symetrix and those are > hard for us to maintaine. (not a spelling B champ). I'd highly recommended adding disk space to your Oracle boxen to store your daily hotbackups. I do that with my Oracle 10g hotbackups, then dump to tape, but it's a lot easier to do restores and database rebuilds from information already on disk than to have to deal with tape. Once you have the disk space set aside to store your hotbackups, you can make that space a samba share and have ArcServ dump it to tape. Al Castanoli -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/364 - Release Date: 6/14/2006 Al, I went a head and create an ftp script to push our exports, hot/cold backups to our file server. And we are going to have arcserv back everything up from there. My company is a little cheap when it comes to buying anything. Especially AIX support... I really do appreciate everyone's comments. I definitely learned a few things here. :) Kevin From j at jvpappas.net Fri Jun 16 05:43:20 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Jun 16 05:43:25 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150454600.6907.67.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 02:29 +0000, Kase Saylor wrote: > Thanks for all the great info. To answer the question as to why, well a few > months ago I decided I was tired of paying the outrageous prices that TWC > charges, so I told them I was going to DSL. Correct me if I am wrong, but you have a PSTN bill to go along with the DSL bill, so total cost is greater than Cable. I went to cable, since DSL requires a phone number which requires (what I consider outrageous) a PSTN bill. In my area (Bexar county between Kirby/Converse) the "Access Fee" alone for PSTN was $12. There are a few reasons that a PSTN connection would be cost effective, and I had none of them, so I was not willing to have a $37 (miniumum) bill for a 64K PSTN connection. > ATT is running a year special for their "pro" level (non-static IP), for > $17.99/month, and if you send in a cable bill you'll get three months free. > So I guess I'll keep it for a year, and see what other specials come up. I > guess I'll find out on Friday how DSL works out. Good luck! From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jun 16 07:42:05 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jun 16 07:42:06 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DS In-Reply-To: <1150414903.6907.58.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <79ec289f0606151248q37b828aaw4007904433cefb19@mail.gmail.com> <4491BAAB.3080706@shlrm.org> <1150414903.6907.58.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <4492A71D.8090903@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 John Pappas wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 14:53 -0500, David Kowis wrote: > <...> >> I have fiber from ATT and mine's PPPoE. Not sure if it's the same with a >> DSL modem. >> >>> Why the switch from cable to DSL? >> I get 4mbit down 2.5 mbit up for $29.99 . That's a good reason to hop >> from Cable to DSL :) Cheapness :) >> > <....> > > We don't get any cool FTTC (Fiber to the Curb) where I am, so I am stuck > with TWC. I have also discovered that I CANNOT get any type of > connectivity with upstream > 768. It's not FTTC, it's FTTH :) There's a media converter on the side of my house that converts the optical to the phone and the data :) > > I find an 16:1 up:down (ie 512K/8M cable) ratio is really not good when > you are constantly transferring files between systems on each side of > the connecting :( Yeah, that's why I'm really happy with my connection. The down is slightly slower than what I had before, but meh. - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRJKnHcnf+vRw63ObAQqXgQv9EzW4QEkBHHREgt4pLhAhBvY2glMeNufW Z5UGlrmZSZd34rB8GJpvYCsMmJ9S9jfXyfUvlrKD+LpEsPZf5pc1gxf0t1VVV9yw cDAE7eHubPIJ3yPIIaf5VG9lfjqxMD0BohA6PRsE2rsu7o62gN95h+zE4shBhRxp FIn3wOufAgoBn0F2p2AaMKxN19plK+7+zkKgiV0wLm5XCed8kb8aMf1UvavFcjq+ dWj+8MdwA1evQojLbxSMEyErtBu4EZc22j88khDNa7ImAy/xQcBBcxfmn2L5+pN8 vt8KqD8tGWqNWuXpZY6bpDpiz+4lNYTvqyheta9VG1TCdNwHnmKow/rm3GPzOL/T TizkTGzMDYmzq2EC1xbGzXvQ405aQQDDXmzdRjgZqSQoT6x/u2wV/KnhSMgUV7Tp sxfV6i8yu+cz06emDARxZXDIl6cDDDJP4oAqoB70GA8/h57wl7Pf1B+b0v+yekhP R131EgB5+QO1d11bIORdZizd7fwTNmUt =ZSfX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From j at jvpappas.net Fri Jun 16 08:45:00 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Jun 16 08:45:04 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DS In-Reply-To: <4492A71D.8090903@shlrm.org> References: <79ec289f0606151248q37b828aaw4007904433cefb19@mail.gmail.com> <4491BAAB.3080706@shlrm.org> <1150414903.6907.58.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <4492A71D.8090903@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1150465500.6907.84.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 07:42 -0500, David Kowis wrote: <....> > > > > We don't get any cool FTTC (Fiber to the Curb) where I am, so I am stuck > > with TWC. I have also discovered that I CANNOT get any type of > > connectivity with upstream > 768. > > > It's not FTTC, it's FTTH :) There's a media converter on the side of my > house that converts the optical to the phone and the data :) > > I debated between curb/home. At some point I remember something coming to the curb. I think it might have been my body after a discussion that I had with my wife. Anyway, I hope to gain that type of cool factor at some point.... From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jun 16 09:22:37 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jun 16 09:22:36 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DS In-Reply-To: <1150465500.6907.84.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> References: <79ec289f0606151248q37b828aaw4007904433cefb19@mail.gmail.com> <4491BAAB.3080706@shlrm.org> <1150414903.6907.58.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> <4492A71D.8090903@shlrm.org> <1150465500.6907.84.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> Message-ID: <4492BEAD.7020608@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 John Pappas wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 07:42 -0500, David Kowis wrote: > <....> >>> We don't get any cool FTTC (Fiber to the Curb) where I am, so I am stuck >>> with TWC. I have also discovered that I CANNOT get any type of >>> connectivity with upstream > 768. >> >> It's not FTTC, it's FTTH :) There's a media converter on the side of my >> house that converts the optical to the phone and the data :) >> >> > I debated between curb/home. At some point I remember something coming > to the curb. I think it might have been my body after a discussion that > I had with my wife. Anyway, I hope to gain that type of cool factor at > some point.... > Heh. ATT is pushing fiber to the node in the older neighborhoods to shorten the length of the old twisted pair of copper. In the new neighborhoods where they can lay fresh cables, they're pulling fiber right up to the house. I'll have to say that I'm more impressed with the SBC/ATT Techs than I was with the TWC techs. The ATT techs really seemed to know more about what they're doing. They seemed to have more general knowledge than the TWC guys. Anyways, that has almost nothing to do with anything else :) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRJK+rMnf+vRw63ObAQpw6wv+ItQqUISEQxdSlsf/7fpt6VEuJJV1NmcT fElbPwP07vZ5huGNfdUnt1i8psl1R9g5/cDlxbUFD+QgozQQJz49P0g3TgOsS1K8 kgPdr5YPuLXXTfrBWiNggvX27xFEkhkuu/6UcCEUpuFSECOBwo9ppaLrAZ9th6eL xIOnvPDHBxlbm53i0eT+g6RxG/d0hvEPkqC/4UPvACnsfhczgoq/gcDsPbCGC7hR pqEcwafemzrJ5OCkNOk0wNuvrx0MFEqh7ic+YXerJWDgUR2KK9t3Pky7bGr7BR97 0CI7r79YAm/9K0YtnHXGhp+izHKYMjS/ppQomnrzr41c4MqVd5VziNa1DgCk1kN3 VOYnUJZxnO/rEijrc+lVB2o0WrZLU37HJ5a6tCfxFt4EPZsbufkkqmLNFvfWO8om j/YRlQPmck9IN0UCEgXXUePd2d3eusScVICfv+L3zHDKkIkVrYtWOPwLSvD7acLM sIwAngdqm6knNvwDfq2YVZqhszm7aPl/ =fQFd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rhewitt at grandecom.net Fri Jun 16 10:15:12 2006 From: rhewitt at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Fri Jun 16 10:59:53 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL Message-ID: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> DSL is like cable except from what I have had to deal with one of my customers it does not stay very stable. The login is done through the modem, the modem gives the PC a non-routing IP (192.168.1.X) most hardware routers don't like this. And when the modem changes IP address after the Lease is over the whole system likes to crash. I had both internet and intranet connections failing (using a D-link 624 wireless router and a BEFSR41 linksys router). If you want to get better service try Grande Communications, I have them and I use an old pIII 800mhz system with the latest version of I-COP. I also only pay an additional $15.00 a month for a static IP from Grande and I don't have problems with the connection. I use I-COP to keep the unwanted IP traffic out of my network and it all seems to work just fine. You might consider this as a more viable alterative then DLS. I also convinced my customer to drop DSL because it is noticeable slower then even TWC Roadrunner. And Grande gives me 8Megabit speed which is even faster then TWC and way faster then DSL. If you have any questions you can e-mail me at rhewitt@grandecom.net Robert >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:39:18 +0000 >From: "Kase Saylor" >Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL >To: satlug@satlug.org >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >All, > >I'm moving from TWC to DSL and I was looking at the documentation that came with the DSL >modem and it comes with the Yahoo install disk with all of that SBC/ATT/Yahoo junk that I >don't want installed. Is there anything special I need to do to use AT&T DSL with Linux? >Also, my current D-Link router and the modem have the same IP, should I just change the >router's IP, or is there a way to change the modem's IP (I actually haven't hooked up the >modem yet, but documentation has the IP of the modem). Is there a login/password? >I didn't have a login/password for my cable modem, so I'm not sure if there will be one >for the DSL modem. Anyways, if anybody has some good tips I'd be interested in hearing >them. > >TIA, > >Kase From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jun 16 11:58:37 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jun 16 11:58:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <4492E33D.2040603@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Robert J Hewitt wrote: > DSL is like cable except from what I have had to deal with one of my > customers it does not stay very stable. The login is done through the > modem, the modem gives the PC a non-routing IP (192.168.1.X) most hardware > routers don't like this. And when the modem changes IP address after the > Lease is over the whole system likes to crash. I had both internet and > intranet connections failing (using a D-link 624 wireless router and a > BEFSR41 linksys router). If you want to get better service try Grande > Communications, I have them and I use an old pIII 800mhz system with the > latest version of I-COP. I also only pay an additional $15.00 a month for a > static IP from Grande and I don't have problems with the connection. I use > I-COP to keep the unwanted IP traffic out of my network and it all seems to > work just fine. You might consider this as a more viable alterative then > DLS. I also convinced my customer to drop DSL because it is noticeable > slower then even TWC Roadrunner. And Grande gives me 8Megabit speed which > is even faster then TWC and way faster then DSL. If you have any questions > you can e-mail me at rhewitt@grandecom.net > Grande is a much better cable company than TWC. However, I cannot say that I've ever heard of the "crashes". Also I think you can configure the DSL modem to either be a router for you, or not. Or perhaps you had a combination modem/router. That's what I was given, and I just don't use it (but my situation is different than standard DSL) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRJLjPcnf+vRw63ObAQpbVgwAo90zqmm1MUtkVVUtNDNNw+hf1mQgDLE6 IQ0oTB4fR6YiJ5MDtsh8o6taYRnD4/oIcQNxvEgOuQdbu+oY07dSpgHE/3Fvk5N5 4AQt2+ggthJ0CetKya7z3B9QWvqlq4xXs0332K2vGNCoLWySxWZS1f46NAp96P+0 u0ynp0xPv+TO2P6rD2z/Fn0UASj0v1oHOOK1Z+C15eX5lDrR0AJqj42z3pHuTikt 9D+8XEo0TIotzj6w6bMJRh/+v+baCOqF7jz4yUYq5ReU7AsF8pggZ3i14pyz2Gqx LM0PUv0gCWMaq88jze+qj8UJ5HZcHRLlOkvA771D9MuDV1svNvX97nBs9uMaCo94 l08qUCY5dayUiBoqYnltIHmGiCpV5hucGLbuOmK1Xob+3TuojAj5mYbS2TmzkFh5 V/siFEfErAbcQz76Hy5vekapLvE4YVM6/aQXvyDr0gQbo4mcI4nHqVsRIhOUNB0s 0rR7ijQjda6mWQYK2LQ2yDuEAqpjd89g =pniJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Jun 16 12:22:00 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Jun 16 12:22:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <200606161222.00369.wmail@wricomp.com> On Friday 16 June 2006 10:15, Robert J Hewitt wrote: > DSL is like cable except from what I have had to deal with one of my > customers it does not stay very stable. A single data point does not a graph make. Others here, including this reporter, have different experiences. > The login is done through the modem, the modem gives the PC a > non-routing IP (192.168.1.X) most hardware routers don't like this. AT&T offers a package with router for those without technical skill. By the way, the current default install passes the routable IP through to the router as soon as the link is established. Or one can set the modem so the router does the PPPoE authentication, bypassing 192.168.1.1 completely. > And when the modem changes IP address after the Lease is over > the whole system likes to crash. "I can't get my sports/porn/whatever, the Internet must be down!" Again, this does not match my experience at multiple customer locations. > If you want to get better service try Grande Communications, Glad to hear they work for you. Grande does not offer service at most of my locations. > I also only pay an additional $15.00 a month for a static IP from > Grande and I don't have problems with the connection. If it's needed, pricing of the AT&T static IP packages can be an issue. It isn't needed for most, so the lowest cost $12.99 (home) / $34.99 (business) package is very attractive. The closest Grande offers to the AT&T $12.99 package costs $39.95 for 6M/384k, with fewer email addresses and no security software. Grande doesn't post their business pricing, so I can't compare on that side. > I also convinced my customer to drop DSL because it is noticeable > slower then even TWC Roadrunner. And Grande gives me 8Megabit > speed which is even faster then TWC and way faster then DSL. For bandwidth, sure. What about latency, which is often more important for game play? Raw bandwidth is not the only consideration. It's great you're happy with Grande. If I'm ever in a location they offer service, I'll consider them. Of course, until they start posting business prices it's going to be a lot harder to consider. --Don From rhewitt at grandecom.net Fri Jun 16 15:42:19 2006 From: rhewitt at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Fri Jun 16 15:42:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] re. ATT DSL Message-ID: <000001c69185$5f5b1380$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> No it was a regular DSL Modem and if you look at the bottom it mad reference to login and serial numbers and what not. I wound up doing a patch up job. The modem gives you the option to pass the IP it gets to the PC or router or use the 192.168.0.1 Ip instead. I tried to let the IP pass to the Router but it still continued to crash the network. And believe me I tried everything from replacing the NIC on the three systems and as I said before I also changed the router from wired to wireless backed to wired and back to wireless again with the same problem continued to plague me. (not to mention the gas bill driving back and forth over and over on the same ticket). Actually the final straw was when a construction company accidentally clipped his neighborhood trunk, this had the effect of messing up the DSL but only a minor sound quality on the voice line. This also explained why his FAX was also acting up. Since his contract was up also he finally took my advice and had the service changed. Now since the service with TWC was installed his network and internet only suffered a problem with a DELL and A D-Link wireless card which now that the Dell is wired directly to the Wireless Router all problems have all stopped and he is getting ready to purchase a new system from me as an office file server with backup capability (A little extra money for me!!!)Now back to the DSL modem you do need a login that is doen by the modem (unless they changed it again ) but the easiest way to tell is to hook it up to a system eithernet connection and start the web browser and look at the IP address 192.168.0.1 the modem will ask for a number that is on the bottom of the modem and you are in. that modem to my knowledge will not act as a router. It is how SBC/ATT manage user security. The only other part about SBC/ATT DSL that I hate is the contract, if you violate the contract and disconnect the service you get a disconnect charge of $200.00 TWC and Grande is a month to month service (no contract, like my Cell Phone). The other part of of the I hate is that on initial setup the username and password don't always make it into their system and you can't login till it is corrected, this means you get to be on hold and transferred for about 30 minutes and get told at the end of the call that it will take 24 hours for the change to take effect. Let me know if it works out for you personally I would contact Grande Cable and ask if they are in your area and get them instead if they are available. Robert rhewitt@grandecom.net Message: 7 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:58:37 -0500 From: David Kowis Subject: Re: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Message-ID: <4492E33D.2040603@shlrm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Robert J Hewitt wrote: > DSL is like cable except from what I have had to deal with one of my > customers it does not stay very stable. The login is done through the > modem, the modem gives the PC a non-routing IP (192.168.1.X) most hardware > routers don't like this. And when the modem changes IP address after the > Lease is over the whole system likes to crash. I had both internet and > intranet connections failing (using a D-link 624 wireless router and a > BEFSR41 linksys router). If you want to get better service try Grande > Communications, I have them and I use an old pIII 800mhz system with the > latest version of I-COP. I also only pay an additional $15.00 a month for a > static IP from Grande and I don't have problems with the connection. I use > I-COP to keep the unwanted IP traffic out of my network and it all seems to > work just fine. You might consider this as a more viable alterative then > DLS. I also convinced my customer to drop DSL because it is noticeable > slower then even TWC Roadrunner. And Grande gives me 8Megabit speed which > is even faster then TWC and way faster then DSL. If you have any questions > you can e-mail me at rhewitt@grandecom.net > Grande is a much better cable company than TWC. However, I cannot say that I've ever heard of the "crashes". Also I think you can configure the DSL modem to either be a router for you, or not. Or perhaps you had a combination modem/router. That's what I was given, and I just don't use it (but my situation is different than standard DSL) - -- David Kowis From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jun 16 16:02:36 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jun 16 16:02:37 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] re. ATT DSL In-Reply-To: <000001c69185$5f5b1380$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000001c69185$5f5b1380$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <44931C6C.1060705@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Robert J Hewitt wrote: > No it was a regular DSL Modem and if you look at the bottom it mad reference > to login and serial numbers and what not. I wound up doing a patch up job. > The modem gives you the option to pass the IP it gets to the PC or router or > use the 192.168.0.1 Ip instead. I tried to let the IP pass to the Router but > it still continued to crash the network. And believe me I tried everything > from replacing the NIC on the three systems and as I said before I also > changed the router from wired to wireless backed to wired and back to > wireless again with the same problem continued to plague me. (not to > mention the gas bill driving back and forth over and over on the same > ticket). Actually the final straw was when a construction company > accidentally clipped his neighborhood trunk, this had the effect of messing > up the DSL but only a minor sound quality on the voice line. This also > explained why his FAX was also acting up. Since his contract was up also he > finally took my advice and had the service changed. Now since the service > with TWC was installed his network and internet only suffered a problem with > a DELL and A D-Link wireless card which now that the Dell is wired directly > to the Wireless Router all problems have all stopped and he is getting ready > to purchase a new system from me as an office file server with backup > capability (A little extra money for me!!!)Now back to the DSL modem you do > need a login that is doen by the modem (unless they changed it again ) but > the easiest way to tell is to hook it up to a system eithernet connection > and start the web browser and look at the IP address 192.168.0.1 the modem > will ask for a number that is on the bottom of the modem and you are in. > that modem to my knowledge will not act as a router. It is how SBC/ATT > manage user security. I'm not sure changing from wired to wireless will do anything to tell the router to do something different on the WAN side, but that's irrelevant. If the construction company had clipped the Cable line, everything would be gone too. > > > > The only other part about SBC/ATT DSL that I hate is the contract, if > you violate the contract and disconnect the service you get a disconnect > charge of $200.00 TWC and Grande is a month to month service (no contract, > like my Cell Phone). The other part of of the I hate is that on initial > setup the username and password don't always make it into their system and > you can't login till it is corrected, this means you get to be on hold and > transferred for about 30 minutes and get told at the end of the call that it > will take 24 hours for the change to take effect. Contracts arent' all that bad, it guarantees you a set rate for the year you've purchased service. If the service is that bad that you must switch providers then you should contact the company and get them to fix it. ATT's AUP is quite friendly. I get a line and it's my responsibility to ensure that I don't damage the network. Anything that comes in is my responsibility to deal with as well. TWC and Grande both explicitly say that you're not allowed to run servers. I did anyway, and they never did anything to stop me, but if they'd decided that they didn't like my website or something, they could've used that to shut me down. As for the initial set up problem, I tend to believe that this is an isolated incident. It can take TWC just as long to get through a support ticket to do something. And if something happens in the chain of events with Grande, I'm sure similar problems can occur. > Let me know if it works out for you personally I would contact Grande > Cable and ask if they are in your area and get them instead if they are > available. I'm quite happy with the Fiber to my house from ATT :) I have no desire to switch to Grande's Cable. Basically my point here is: Get what you can afford and what you need. If you want cheap, go with DSL. If you want heaps of download bandwidth and you don't intend on keeping it up, or plan on needing to terminate your contract, go with Cable. The differences aren't really that big. If it's an old house, the bandwidth provided by DSL can be low, because the wires are old. Same problem could result from old cable wiring tho. It really boils down to what's provided best in your area. I got Fiber from ATT, because the bandwidth potential for Fiber Optic cable will completely and totally own what any cable provider can offer. I have much lower latencies than I used to on Cable. 20ms vs 40ms. Yeah that's not much in the real world, but it's like 50% :) Where I lived before, I had no choice but to have TWC, I was too far from the Call center to get DSL. I hated it. TWC's customer service was horrible. I had Grande in an apartment complex. I cannot say that I ever had problems with them, but it was more expensive than dsl. It depends on what you're going to do with your Internet :) - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org Source Mage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRJMcbMnf+vRw63ObAQpRwwv7B3dIf5fHK+8MKSYGQxOeq5BxFf85zA7W Kc12djgsCFhjRyxwj8xsxiU+/CxbCGM7govseJR9EQVrQ0ukl+wkvopa7lwXJPlh wr/tpz3WpwiVkrWrvXcNE4/H2TDquVEZ4XkzsApmVMmhxMVO/hJL+1z/kVHZpVpV Fi21R0/ccQbZtW5C7coDpNwyrRbFM2fiS3tmTVFIocwtpnuKvjY6Ae/qU8x5h002 i96LHsRvb116BqSiZHXGZ8zPeShPgjKgHHB+SPQWGxzbfqpT8SlG6BiIN4WY4sPv 2176lfYnQTEperN55xgZ/kkjqmJKcVZFMe10tucO5JTKwadakF4dyTn3pRmAucNZ 4pgfoGG4J+JXKFWY5dXezWDwiN/9MlEQQoqJ2XesgJ1E+GA1neIJ7/0b52xth9ep O+1534MmxpYKFE3BCQbyfizzQ2qVyn55swIeVoTSao6Zk1vp3K1OhHZ08HvH1i/f xgeK/EfqU8Z8cD9yxCOjwJIxBM2A7LPK =3I1W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 19:39:55 2006 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Fri Jun 16 19:38:07 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <44934F5B.20006@gmail.com> Robert, With the experience that my girlfriend & I had, as well as others, I would suspect that the Internet connection failing might have had more to do with the D-Link router than the DSL. Her D-Link had major connection issues from ALMOST day one using it with TWC. As far as AT&T DSL, I'm just a few days short of having it for 4 months and have had ZERO problems with it. 73, Jim a.k.a. Whiskey Five Charlie Papa Alpha Robert J Hewitt wrote: > And when the modem changes IP address after the Lease is over the > whole system likes to crash. I had both internet and intranet > connections failing (using a D-link 624 wireless router and a BEFSR41 > linksys router). From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 16 23:15:06 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Fri Jun 16 23:15:15 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <449381CA.3080703@satx.rr.com> Robert J Hewitt wrote: > DSL is like cable except from what I have had to deal with one of my > customers it does not stay very stable. The login is done through the > modem, the modem gives the PC a non-routing IP (192.168.1.X) most hardware > routers don't like this. And when the modem changes IP address after the > Lease is over the whole system likes to crash. I had both internet and > intranet connections failing (using a D-link 624 wireless router and a > BEFSR41 linksys router). If you want to get better service try Grande > Communications, I have them and I use an old pIII 800mhz system with the > latest version of I-COP. I also only pay an additional $15.00 a month for a > static IP from Grande and I don't have problems with the connection. I use > I-COP to keep the unwanted IP traffic out of my network and it all seems to > work just fine. You might consider this as a more viable alterative then > DLS. I also convinced my customer to drop DSL because it is noticeable > slower then even TWC Roadrunner. And Grande gives me 8Megabit speed which > is even faster then TWC and way faster then DSL. If you have any questions > you can e-mail me at rhewitt@grandecom.net > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:39:18 +0000 > >> From: "Kase Saylor" > >> Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL > >> To: satlug@satlug.org > >> Message-ID: > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > >> All, > > >> I'm moving from TWC to DSL and I was looking at the documentation that came > with the DSL >modem and it comes with the Yahoo install disk with all of > that SBC/ATT/Yahoo junk that I >don't want installed. Is there anything > special I need to do to use AT&T DSL with Linux? >Also, my current D-Link > router and the modem have the same IP, should I just change the >router's > IP, or is there a way to change the modem's IP (I actually haven't hooked up > the >modem yet, but documentation has the IP of the modem). Is there a > login/password? > >> I didn't have a login/password for my cable modem, so I'm not sure if there > will be one >for the DSL modem. Anyways, if anybody has some good tips I'd > be interested in hearing >them. > > >> TIA, > > >> Kase > > > My only question would be: When is it coming to Helotes...;^) -- "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -- Robert Heinlein -- Mitch Thompson, San Antonio, Texas//WB5UZG Red Hat Certified Engineer From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jun 17 03:26:10 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jun 17 03:26:33 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DS In-Reply-To: <4491BAAB.3080706@shlrm.org> References: <79ec289f0606151248q37b828aaw4007904433cefb19@mail.gmail.com> <4491BAAB.3080706@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4493BCA2.7090708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> David Kowis wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA512 > >Jeremy Mann wrote: > > >>Kase, it should be just the same as cable, but I think DSL requires a >>login. Your router should have a section where you can tell it >>username and password for the connection. >> >> > >I have fiber from ATT and mine's PPPoE. Not sure if it's the same with a >DSL modem. > > > >>Why the switch from cable to DSL? >> >> > >I get 4mbit down 2.5 mbit up for $29.99 . That's a good reason to hop >from Cable to DSL :) Cheapness :) > > RR "Lite" is $19.95/mo, for 384k up/down. works fine for me, including remote-access. Greetings, from New Orleans. -- -Geoff/ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jun 17 03:33:51 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jun 17 03:34:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <4493BE6F.1030905@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Robert J Hewitt wrote: > And Grande gives me 8Megabit speed which >is even faster then TWC and way faster then DSL. If you have any questions >you can e-mail me at rhewitt@grandecom.net > > When is Grande going to be in -all- areas of San Antonio? I've been hearing of Grande Communications, but in 5 years, I've yet to see them south of I-10. I'm near Brooks AFB (at leasdt what's left of it) -- Best Regards, -Geoff A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jun 17 03:41:39 2006 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jun 17 03:42:00 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] re. ATT DSL In-Reply-To: <000001c69185$5f5b1380$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> References: <000001c69185$5f5b1380$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Message-ID: <4493C043.1080803@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Robert J Hewitt wrote: > The only other part about SBC/ATT DSL that I hate is the contract, > > That would be the one, that when you click "I accept" (without reading the contract), that says "yeah, sure Yahoo - install that Spyware on my computer! You can have -all- my personal information for 'demographic' reasons." THAT'S why they *try* to make it an M$ login only. -- Best Regards, -Geoff A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sat Jun 17 08:01:49 2006 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (satlugacct@jchampion.com) Date: Sat Jun 17 08:02:16 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <4493BE6F.1030905@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <000301c69157$a9e49530$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> <4493BE6F.1030905@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <20060617080149.v2ygkel52sgkc444@webmail.jchampion.com> Quoting Geoff : > Robert J Hewitt wrote: > >> And Grande gives me 8Megabit speed which >> is even faster then TWC and way faster then DSL. If you have any questions >> you can e-mail me at rhewitt@grandecom.net >> > > > When is Grande going to be in -all- areas of San Antonio? I've been > hearing of Grande Communications, but in 5 years, I've yet to see them > south of I-10. > > I'm near Brooks AFB (at leasdt what's left of it) > > -- > Best Regards, > -Geoff > > A: Yes. > >> Q: Are you sure? > >>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Let me tell you about the funniest thing with Grande's service area. I'm not quite sure where they have service but know that it mostly inside loop 410 for the most part. But before we moved here, we could almost see the Grande facility from the roof of our house BUT they did not provide service to our area. There is no telling when they will offer service in most of San Antonio. I personally have been waiting for six years and now that we moved, I've given up all hope of ever seeing them setup shop in my neighborhood. From rhewitt at grandecom.net Sat Jun 17 08:06:18 2006 From: rhewitt at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Sat Jun 17 08:06:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re. ATT DSL Message-ID: <000001c6920e$d2a1bbd0$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> Don Instead of reposting everything all over again I will say this: 1. You have good points to everything I said. 2. Chances are now that I think about it the modem he had might have been a router and modem as well but since he has TWC there is no point in worrying about it now. 3. With the modem being a router maybe that was why it quit working, and it was most likely porno/dating/chat as his system is on it's way towards being reloaded due to slowing down on start up. (it's a P4 1.8) but takes forever to get started. 4. but as for the crashing it did stop two other PC that had the internet blocked out through the router I excluded them at the time so that they could use the intranet per his orders, but later his secretary and her mom the office manage convinced him it was worth it so that was put to a stop. I don't know what the cause of the network crash was I thought changing the router might help, I changed it twice two different models and then I even changed brands nothing worked. But like I said it's all academic at this point since he switched. At least I haven't herd from him in two weeks (that's not a bad sign he's my wife's Uncle). Well this has been swell but the swelling has gone down. As for my own network I am in the process of seting up my ftp server for the rest of my family (that's what the static IP is for) and I may move into the realm of a VPN connection with certain members of my family and just for the fun of it as well as giving me something to learn and do in all my free time. Robert rhewitt@grandecom.net From rhewitt at grandecom.net Sat Jun 17 08:13:10 2006 From: rhewitt at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Sat Jun 17 08:13:44 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: ATT DSL Message-ID: <000501c6920f$c8235000$1401a8c0@piv2500mhz> To everybody on the mailing list that responded to ATT DSL and ESP on the SATLUG Digest, Vol 29, Issue 39 its been fun fencing with everybody about this subject I truly enjoy this level of discussion and hope the have the opportunity to fence like this again. It is refreshing to do this since I don't get to do this very often in anything else that I like doing. Special thanks to everybody on the SATLUG Digest, Vol 29, Issue 39 for all that has been said. Sincerely, Robert rhewitt@grandecom.net From mynameiscaleb at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 10:46:24 2006 From: mynameiscaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Wylie) Date: Tue Jun 20 10:46:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Bootable CD Question Message-ID: <99af515b0606200846h66f94389w3b005ba6776f5ba7@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone. I work at a firm that is mainly a Microsoft/Dell shop. Recently I built and implemented a remote boot imaging system that is based on linux and makes use of the few linux boxes that I have in the back. I built a cd that loads the kernel and then it takes over and NFS remote boots so that the imaging can take place. Recently the CD that I use on the boxes is not being recognized by the machines and fails to boot off of them. Curious I burned another copy of the cd thinking that maybe the cd was scratched (though I couldn't see any apparent problems with the disk). They still fail to recognize the cd but when I drop in a Windows XP installation cd it finds it fine and I find this rather disturbing considering all of the machines were able to boot off of my custom cd for a while. On another note some of the machines have PXE to boot off of and this still works fine and creates the NFS root and boots so that the imaging completes successfully. Has anyone else experienced this? From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Jun 20 11:57:25 2006 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Tue Jun 20 11:57:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Bootable CD Question In-Reply-To: <99af515b0606200846h66f94389w3b005ba6776f5ba7@mail.gmail.com> References: <99af515b0606200846h66f94389w3b005ba6776f5ba7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8i8g92hdg66otnq2ssod934fnhbf04eqv2@4ax.com> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:46:24 -0500, "Caleb Wylie" wrote: > [snip] They still fail to >recognize the cd but when I drop in a Windows XP installation cd it finds it >fine and I find this rather disturbing considering all of the machines were >able to boot off of my custom cd for a while. Haven't hit that particular bug, but I've seen some "good" CDs that fail to read in certain players. Since this came about over time, I suspect the difference between CD-R and factory-pressed CD is the culprit. A pressed CD has much higher reflectivity for the laser than a CD-R, so marginal drives may read one and not the other. It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratio at the decoder. Different manufacturers use different processes that result in higher or lower reflectivity, so you may find a drive that likes one brand and not another. If the problem is weak signal, simply cleaning the drive (CD lens system) might correct the situation. Here are some links that might help: Media test: http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_quality.shtml More info: http://www.roxio.com/en/support/discs/bestmedia.html That backup system sounds like a good project. Can you document it on the SATLUG WIKI (www.satlug.org/wiki) or present it at a future meeting? --Don -- Cry 'Yvahk' and let slip the GNUs of war! --Don 391925f6 From robertc3 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 20 16:02:44 2006 From: robertc3 at hotmail.com (robertc3) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:02:51 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Palm Treo / Versamail / Postfix Message-ID: Does anyone have a Treo 650 that they are successfully using to sync mail with using Postfix and Versamail? I have the IMAP portion working correctly using SSL and auth but I can't get the SMTP auth stuff to work. Anyone? Robert From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jun 20 16:33:06 2006 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:33:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Palm Treo / Versamail / Postfix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150839187.8192.64.camel@spook.jvpappas.net> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 16:02 -0500, robertc3 wrote: > Does anyone have a Treo 650 that they are