From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 00:15:11 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Nov 1 00:15:14 2006 Subject: LDAP, was Re: [SATLUG] OT: how to commit undetectable wholesale vote fraud In-Reply-To: <20061101041412.GA22810@nexus.subspacefield.org> References: <20061031234404.GA28750@nexus.subspacefield.org> <77be04730610311703y57ec631bjb105ed087b984878@mail.gmail.com> <20061101041412.GA22810@nexus.subspacefield.org> Message-ID: On 10/31/06, Travis H. wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 07:03:27PM -0600, Justizin wrote: > > 'twould be interesting to hear Bruce Schneier's reaction to this.. > > That's where I got the link ;-) > > http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/10/how_to_steal_an.html > ...snip... This link does not work for me. I get a 404 error. I have tried finding this article title or a reference to Ars Technica on Schneier's Blog without success. Could you help me out? The original Ars Technica link works fine and that PDF references an article that Bruce was a co-author on. Thanks... From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 10:04:09 2006 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Wed Nov 1 10:04:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fitting Linux to the Hardware Message-ID: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to all who responded to my earlier query about resetting a password. Between your suggestions and "SuSE Linux 9.3 for Dummies" I cracked the code and now have access to a donated laptop. Next challenge: what would you recommend I install on a Dell Latitude laptop with 40MB of RAM and a 1.4GB hard drive? It's not my best laptop, but it's fun to play with and might help me explore Linux more thoroughly. I have SuSE linux 9.1 and 9.3, Damn Small Linux, and Ubuntu available. Thanks. From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 10:04:33 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Nov 1 10:06:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fitting Linux to the Hardware In-Reply-To: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4548C591.9010908@gmail.com> Arthur Hall wrote: > Next challenge: what would you recommend I install on > a Dell Latitude laptop with 40MB of RAM and a 1.4GB > hard drive? It's not my best laptop, but it's fun to > play with and might help me explore Linux more > thoroughly. I have SuSE linux 9.1 and 9.3, Damn Small > Linux, and Ubuntu available. Thanks. > I would try Xubuntu or Dyne:Bolic or Puppy Linux (in that order). Nate From dryicezero at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 10:09:40 2006 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed Nov 1 10:09:43 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fitting Linux to the Hardware In-Reply-To: <4548C591.9010908@gmail.com> References: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4548C591.9010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <319067990611010809q5c78df0asc6e2bb6b6fb90e42@mail.gmail.com> DSL or DSL-N (if you need more apps) On 11/1/06, pixelnate wrote: > > Arthur Hall wrote: > > Next challenge: what would you recommend I install on > > a Dell Latitude laptop with 40MB of RAM and a 1.4GB > > hard drive? It's not my best laptop, but it's fun to > > play with and might help me explore Linux more > > thoroughly. I have SuSE linux 9.1 and 9.3, Damn Small > > Linux, and Ubuntu available. Thanks. > > > > I would try Xubuntu or Dyne:Bolic or Puppy Linux (in that order). > > > > Nate > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 11:16:22 2006 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Wed Nov 1 11:16:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fitting Linux to the Hardware In-Reply-To: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061101171622.24096.qmail@web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Damn Small Linux is the best of those of course, but even sometimes it will want more memory than that. I was told something about Feather Linux for old hardware instead of DSL, but I know nothing about it. I have seen it stay at using 20mb of memory for a while. Having Linux without any graphics would work or if you need to do something fast in DSL, shutdown the graphics. Remove unessary services and dont use a graphical login manager (use startx after logging in without the GUI). Arthur Hall wrote: Thanks to all who responded to my earlier query about resetting a password. Between your suggestions and "SuSE Linux 9.3 for Dummies" I cracked the code and now have access to a donated laptop. Next challenge: what would you recommend I install on a Dell Latitude laptop with 40MB of RAM and a 1.4GB hard drive? It's not my best laptop, but it's fun to play with and might help me explore Linux more thoroughly. I have SuSE linux 9.1 and 9.3, Damn Small Linux, and Ubuntu available. Thanks. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From gboswell at accd.edu Wed Nov 1 11:20:53 2006 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Wed Nov 1 11:21:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] $398 Laptop at Wal-Mert Message-ID: <4548D775.9050903@accd.edu> Becautious with these. They have shared video so they will not run Vista, no big deal for us, but they also have the broadcom wireless that only Unbuntu will recognize at present. Compaq/HP is unloading all their "Non Vista" boxes before Vista is released. One of my students has one ($750.00 in Feb)and it is a pain to work with. Many of the games he uses will not run on this box. I don't run games either but Compaq has never had a "Linux friendly" reputation so just be "Buyer Aware" on this "Deal". -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/ "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous "Believe everyone is Einstein, but write the instructions for Bubba." ~ MountainWings Original~ Bubba (Boz) sends his thanks. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 11:29:33 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Nov 1 11:29:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] $398 Laptop at Wal-Mert In-Reply-To: <4548D775.9050903@accd.edu> Message-ID: <20061101172933.197.qmail@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- "Glenn F. Boswell" wrote: > Becautious with these. They have shared video so > they will not run > Vista, no big deal for us, but they also have the > broadcom wireless that > only Unbuntu will recognize at present. Compaq/HP is > unloading all their > "Non Vista" boxes before Vista is released. One of > my students has one > ($750.00 in Feb)and it is a pain to work with. Many > of the games he uses > will not run on this box. I don't run games either > but Compaq has never > had a "Linux friendly" reputation so just be "Buyer > Aware" on this "Deal". yea..YMMV.. I had a Compaq V2000 I think was the model.. had broadcom wireless and I could not get it to work even with Linuxant and ndiswrapper. I might get it as a laptop for my race car though being that its real-time logging software runs under Windows :- / ..which will crash first? the car or the computer? (somewhat funny.) -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dryicezero at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 12:23:15 2006 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:23:19 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] $398 Laptop at Wal-Mert In-Reply-To: <20061101172933.197.qmail@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4548D775.9050903@accd.edu> <20061101172933.197.qmail@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <319067990611011023o59c8c122j5cebd980e605eaec@mail.gmail.com> I was planning to get one of these and load ubuntu on it. I didn't know that the radeon card shared the video memory on it. I thought it would be similar to my dell that has separate memory on the radeon? Does anyone actually have one of these that can attest to its worth or lack thereof? Ernest On 11/1/06, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > --- "Glenn F. Boswell" wrote: > > > Becautious with these. They have shared video so > > they will not run > > Vista, no big deal for us, but they also have the > > broadcom wireless that > > only Unbuntu will recognize at present. Compaq/HP is > > unloading all their > > "Non Vista" boxes before Vista is released. One of > > my students has one > > ($750.00 in Feb)and it is a pain to work with. Many > > of the games he uses > > will not run on this box. I don't run games either > > but Compaq has never > > had a "Linux friendly" reputation so just be "Buyer > > Aware" on this "Deal". > > > yea..YMMV.. I had a Compaq V2000 I think was the > model.. had broadcom wireless and I could not get it > to work even with Linuxant and ndiswrapper. I might > get it as a laptop for my race car though being that > its real-time logging software runs under Windows :- / > ..which will crash first? the car or the computer? > (somewhat funny.) > > -Alex > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From dryicezero at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 12:27:22 2006 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:27:27 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fitting Linux to the Hardware In-Reply-To: <20061101171622.24096.qmail@web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061101171622.24096.qmail@web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <319067990611011027w1de23f21lae7d34bb7e59cbde@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Chris. I use DSL on relaly old machines, and I use DSL-N on a fairly newer one that I do work on. They are both very fast, and I can attest to DSL running very well on a PII 354? mHz with 32 mb of ram....as long as you have 128mb of ram you can use the -toram option at boot and run it from memory (which is lightning fast). DSL-N has more apps like Abi word, but I believe its about 95 megs, so it wont fit on one of those nifty business CDs. Ernest On 11/1/06, Chris Lemire wrote: > > Damn Small Linux is the best of those of course, but even sometimes it > will want more memory than that. I was told something about Feather Linux > for old hardware instead of DSL, but I know nothing about it. I have seen it > stay at using 20mb of memory for a while. Having Linux without any graphics > would work or if you need to do something fast in DSL, shutdown the > graphics. Remove unessary services and dont use a graphical login manager > (use startx after logging in without the GUI). > > Arthur Hall wrote: > Thanks to all who responded to my earlier query about > resetting a password. Between your suggestions and > "SuSE Linux 9.3 for Dummies" I cracked the code and > now have access to a donated laptop. > > Next challenge: what would you recommend I install on > a Dell Latitude laptop with 40MB of RAM and a 1.4GB > hard drive? It's not my best laptop, but it's fun to > play with and might help me explore Linux more > thoroughly. I have SuSE linux 9.1 and 9.3, Damn Small > Linux, and Ubuntu available. Thanks. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 13:39:27 2006 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Wed Nov 1 13:39:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux aircraft Message-ID: <20061101193927.77425.qmail@web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.flickr.com/photos/milliped/116393699/ I would like to know what was the uptime on Linux running this airplane before it crashed or cvs locked up. I would find a different airplane if it was running Vista. From tyler at bleepsoft.com Wed Nov 1 14:02:51 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:02:59 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux aircraft In-Reply-To: <20061101193927.77425.qmail@web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061101193927.77425.qmail@web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63784482-17A3-4407-9A13-0167901990F7@bleepsoft.com> On Nov 1, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/milliped/116393699/ > > I would like to know what was the uptime on Linux running this > airplane before it crashed or cvs locked up. I would find a > different airplane if it was running Vista. As somebody mentions in the comments, that's not a Linux crash per se, but a boot up (I've crashed Linux, FreeBSD and Mac OS X in quite spectacular ways, and it doesn't look like that, i.e. a kernel bootstrapping ;)) Also, take confidence in knowing that the people that build airplanes are not completely retarded and understand that systems should be redundant and parallel, meaning that the same system that runs the entertainment system is not even closely tied to the flight navigation system (which most likely runs a custom OS or QNX) I've still spotted windows errors across the board every time I travel: http://flickr.com/photos/agentdero/sets/72157594184866545/ R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 14:11:21 2006 From: albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net (mike sullivan) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:11:24 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fitting Linux to the Hardware In-Reply-To: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4548FF69.5020802@sbcglobal.net> Arthur Hall wrote: > Thanks to all who responded to my earlier query about > resetting a password. Between your suggestions and > "SuSE Linux 9.3 for Dummies" I cracked the code and > now have access to a donated laptop. > > Next challenge: what would you recommend I install on > a Dell Latitude laptop with 40MB of RAM and a 1.4GB > hard drive? It's not my best laptop, but it's fun to > play with and might help me explore Linux more > thoroughly. I have SuSE linux 9.1 and 9.3, Damn Small > Linux, and Ubuntu available. Thanks. > Arthur, go with DSL or even try getting Puppy. I understand that Ubuntu can be pared back pretty well to run on older equipment. Mike WN5PMR From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 14:33:43 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:33:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux aircraft In-Reply-To: <63784482-17A3-4407-9A13-0167901990F7@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <20061101203343.57708.qmail@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- "R. Tyler Ballance" wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/milliped/116393699/ > > > > I would like to know what was the uptime on Linux > running this > > airplane before it crashed or cvs locked up. I > would find a > > different airplane if it was running Vista. > > As somebody mentions in the comments, that's not a > Linux crash per > se, but a boot up (I've crashed Linux, FreeBSD and > Mac OS X in quite > spectacular ways, and it doesn't look like that, > i.e. a kernel > bootstrapping ;)) > > Also, take confidence in knowing that the people > that build airplanes > are not completely retarded and understand that > systems should be > redundant and parallel, meaning that the same system > that runs the > entertainment system is not even closely tied to the > flight > navigation system (which most likely runs a custom > OS or QNX) Looks like network issues? ____________________________________________________________________________________ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview) From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Nov 1 15:28:10 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Nov 1 15:27:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux aircraft In-Reply-To: <20061101203343.57708.qmail@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <20061101203343.57708.qmail@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4549116A.90500@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Alex Bartonek wrote: > > Looks like network issues? > > This is why they tell you to turn off electronic devices during take off and landing. Or it might be: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/10/30 David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQGVAwUBRUkRacnf+vRw63ObAQpyRgv/QLkDPlijzj0GiR8gmASR5clJkLK+A4Vs NUAm720e6XD8Kp8VcA/kVwJRaNHuJO8FxsdWIxLu0WsOvgcE2exHfushGgj2MeaC gMkCPlzyPBbsFXPfRnQwZz2xqd4gHHlIO0OgBgC+CiXlGok8vlUJr/M82WD/Y60l DAT5JG3yyTDdAdAvGR1MujkygXLvD3AJBjL4VAQ8CmxjYpyk0BSbF1a6qNIeL0/q Mokf91PIrjWvLWJczPO7NofMRk3+K+SsP/T5eJruU6ACDOGom+cL5x6Fhz7a/jX5 gul3hyMluMQuVOD+pFTInwEFarcQuocvx9ccOD/7aDW3svkSfK8l8hTdTh26vEs/ 5HcNDcVQBaBNibzDYOLMbZLhOus0pVmLresUUgufxIYyoEHFY/JNvi3Lzey6HGZb 7bdyZx9qb+Dt3GokB/s75jxB400A4hLnUcmQxIk0m6cJjvsBa+aZvKe5zjCUNUyK QFYXRM0HteR45/l/f4Gi2Fw/Kcm0n7AJ =mQFF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Nov 1 15:35:33 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Nov 1 15:35:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux aircraft In-Reply-To: <4549116A.90500@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <200611012135.kA1LZXlf029256@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > Looks like network issues? > > > > > > This is why they tell you to turn off electronic devices during take off > and landing. > Or it might be: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/10/30 > ...Or this one: http://www.demeler.uthscsa.edu/funstuff/bluetooth.jpg :-) -b. From donguitar at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 19:52:13 2006 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Wed Nov 1 19:52:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Fitting Linux to the Hardware References: <20061101160409.12755.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c6fe21$869b5320$1108a8c0@dec842502> As long as I was just experimenting in order to enhance my learning experience I'd try KateOS http://www.kateos.org/ SaxenOS http://www.stibs.cc/stx/ and maybe, just for grins, DeLi Linux. http://delili.lens.hl-users.com/ but if DSL-N meets your needs and doesn't run too slowly you should give it a fair trial as well. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/ But, unless the thing is strictly a toy to you I'd consider looking for more RAM. http://snipurl.com/110lv Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com From travis at nexus.subspacefield.org Wed Nov 1 22:11:59 2006 From: travis at nexus.subspacefield.org (Travis H.) Date: Wed Nov 1 22:12:05 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] everything you didn't want to know about x.509 certs Message-ID: <20061102041159.GB7541@nexus.subspacefield.org> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/pkitutorial.pdf Very entertaining. Also topical vis-a-vis using an authentication framework as a capability framework. -- "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez -><- From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 01:43:56 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Nov 2 01:44:03 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] this is driving me nuts In-Reply-To: <45482691.6000208@sbcglobal.net> References: <45481967.6060508@sbcglobal.net> <45482691.6000208@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On 10/31/06, mike sullivan wrote: > Robert Pearson wrote: > > On 10/31/06, mike sullivan wrote: > >> Are you connecting with Knoppix or with the hard disk loaded Linux > > after Knoppix configures the NIC? > If I understand your question correctly. I boot with the Knoppix CD in > my CD drive. Just as a live CD usage. As soon as it finishes loading I > can easily launch Firefox, thunderbird or what ever and surf away with > out doing any thing further to the computer. At this point the terminal > shows the correct results of lspci & lsmod. > > Mike WN5PMR See if Knoppix has the /usr/sbin/hwinfo command. A Google search says it is included in Knoppix. Because it is in /usr/sbin it should be run as root or with sudo to work correctly. When I run /usr/sbin/hwinfo --netcard as root on my SUSE 10.1 system I get this: hwinfo --netcard 21: PCI 04.0: 0200 Ethernet controller [Created at pci.300] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_66 Unique ID: rBUF.rDRqBOJ4Sq1 SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0 SysFS BusID: 0000:00:04.0 Hardware Class: network Model: "ASUSTeK A7N8X Mainboard onboard nForce2 Ethernet" Vendor: pci 0x10de "nVidia Corporation" Device: pci 0x0066 "nForce2 Ethernet Controller" SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc." SubDevice: pci 0x80a7 "A7N8X Mainboard onboard nForce2 Ethernet" Revision: 0xa1 Driver: "forcedeth" Device File: eth0 Memory Range: 0xe2086000-0xe2086fff (rw,non-prefetchable) I/O Ports: 0xe400-0xe407 (rw) IRQ: 185 (17934 events) HW Address: 00:0c:6e:81:fa:70 Link detected: yes Module Alias: "pci:v000010DEd00000066sv00001043sd000080A7bc02sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: forcedeth is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe forcedeth" Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown 30: PCI 201.0: 0200 Ethernet controller [Created at pci.300] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10b7_9201 Unique ID: JNkJ.kj92gXXcFqB Parent ID: lgGW.AaMvZTx_+_A SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0c.0/0000:02:01.0 SysFS BusID: 0000:02:01.0 Hardware Class: network Model: "ASUSTeK A7N8X Deluxe onboard 3C920B-EMB Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller" Vendor: pci 0x10b7 "3Com Corporation" Device: pci 0x9201 "3C920B-EMB Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller [Tornado]" SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc." SubDevice: pci 0x80ab "A7N8X Deluxe onboard 3C920B-EMB Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller" Revision: 0x40 Driver: "3c59x" Device File: eth1 I/O Ports: 0xc000-0xcfff (rw) Memory Range: 0xdd000000-0xdd00007f (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0x50100000-0x5011ffff (ro,prefetchable,disabled) IRQ: 185 (17934 events) HW Address: 00:26:54:10:f1:cc Link detected: yes Module Alias: "pci:v000010B7d00009201sv00001043sd000080ABbc02sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: 3c59x is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe 3c59x" Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #26 (PCI bridge) I have two NICs on the motherboard. Only the 3Com is activated by me on purpose. You will have to find the driver for your NIC, download it, save it somewhere and install it when you boot Kubuntu from your hard drive. You can do all this with Knoppix. You can mount your Kubuntu hard disk with Knoppix and save the driver on it somewhere you can easily get to. I had this problem with Ubuntu. Once you are on the network be sure and do the update with apt or yum or whatever Kubuntu is using. That update will fix a lot of problems. I wish I were clever because there is probably a way to do apt or yum in Knoppix and have it update the Kubuntu. I'm not that clever. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Nov 2 07:50:17 2006 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Nov 2 07:52:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] predefined helper application Message-ID: <200611021350.kA2DoHTb031765@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I have a question about Mozilla: Whenever I download an attachment of type application/octet-stream that is a PDF file, Mozilla wants to use this atrocious GNOME PDF viewer to display it. When I go into helper applications the entry for this MIME type doesn't list GNOME PDF viewer at all and any attempts to override it with acroread are useless. So my question: WHERE can I redefine this selection? Thanks, -borries From tyler at bleepsoft.com Thu Nov 2 10:33:36 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Thu Nov 2 10:33:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish Message-ID: I'm an avid user of bit torrent, I get my work music (hybridized.org) via Bit Torrent, and Linux distributions via Bit torrent (openSUSE for example) and I'm finding that either Road Runner's performance has gone to complete crap recently, or they are throttling the HELL out of my connection because of Bit Torrent My torrent upload cap is set at 10kb/s, which I don't think is unfair given that uncapped I've seen it get close to 30-40kb/s, and my download is uncapped, but its not snagging more than 20KB/s at any given time (these bloody opensuse torrents are slow) I don't think I'm taxing the hell out of my connection in any sense, its not even near what they sold me. However, my connection has recently started to drop packets like nobody's business. It took me almost 10 minutes to grab a 17MB file from forge.novell.com, and I've had numerous downloads stall completely on me beyond repair. Is anybody else noticing crap like this? I'm relatively close to calling Time Warner and complaining and threatening of notifying the media (local news channels seem to love stories like this), I can deal with the ~5 random disconnects during the day (lasting between 2-5 minutes) to some extent, but being throttled this judiciously for USING not MAXING out my pipe is ridiculous. Yeah, I'm having a good day :) Cheers. R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 10:43:50 2006 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Nov 2 10:43:54 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <319067990611020843x47ff4b6s35494cdce2ca89c4@mail.gmail.com> I had a similar problem with the random disconnects lasting a few minutes a day. I called several times to complain and was told that it was 'probably my router.' Knowing that I am a systems engineer didn't seem to dissuade them from this. Finally I threatened to call corporate and they sent a technician out. Turns out some connector had burned out becase of too high of a signal (or something to that effetc), and they replaced it. All of a sudden, I never had another disconnect or lag problem. Matter of fact, lately I am getting torrents at almost 600k/s (linux distros). So while I suspect that the issues seem like TWC is throttling you (and they very well may be), I would think that there is another issue. I have a huge gripe with the used modems that they give the consumers. I have had several failed modems, some of which failed at installation. I have to say that their service and products are of extremely poor quality. I have a second residence in the Bay Area of California, and TWC is a godsend compared to Comcast. Be thankful that Comcast is nowhere near us here! Ernest On 11/2/06, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > I'm an avid user of bit torrent, I get my work music (hybridized.org) > via Bit Torrent, and Linux distributions via Bit torrent (openSUSE > for example) and I'm finding that either Road Runner's performance > has gone to complete crap recently, or they are throttling the HELL > out of my connection because of Bit Torrent > > My torrent upload cap is set at 10kb/s, which I don't think is unfair > given that uncapped I've seen it get close to 30-40kb/s, and my > download is uncapped, but its not snagging more than 20KB/s at any > given time (these bloody opensuse torrents are slow) > > I don't think I'm taxing the hell out of my connection in any sense, > its not even near what they sold me. However, my connection has > recently started to drop packets like nobody's business. It took me > almost 10 minutes to grab a 17MB file from forge.novell.com, and I've > had numerous downloads stall completely on me beyond repair. > > Is anybody else noticing crap like this? I'm relatively close to > calling Time Warner and complaining and threatening of notifying the > media (local news channels seem to love stories like this), I can > deal with the ~5 random disconnects during the day (lasting between > 2-5 minutes) to some extent, but being throttled this judiciously for > USING not MAXING out my pipe is ridiculous. > > Yeah, I'm having a good day :) > > Cheers. > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From netrixtardis at stealth3.com Thu Nov 2 10:45:41 2006 From: netrixtardis at stealth3.com (NetrixTardis) Date: Thu Nov 2 10:45:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454A20B5.4070008@stealth3.com> it happens, signal issues. i would call them, ask them to check the signal of your modem on their end, then have them send a tech to check signal from your modem to the box on the street (or backyard) I've had to do this every couple of months. it's TimeWorthless for a reason. I am simply going to ditch their TV service for DirecTV, and keep only the RR Premium (10mbits/1mbit) NetrixTardis R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > I'm an avid user of bit torrent, I get my work music (hybridized.org) > via Bit Torrent, and Linux distributions via Bit torrent (openSUSE for > example) and I'm finding that either Road Runner's performance has gone > to complete crap recently, or they are throttling the HELL out of my > connection because of Bit Torrent > > My torrent upload cap is set at 10kb/s, which I don't think is unfair > given that uncapped I've seen it get close to 30-40kb/s, and my download > is uncapped, but its not snagging more than 20KB/s at any given time > (these bloody opensuse torrents are slow) > > I don't think I'm taxing the hell out of my connection in any sense, its > not even near what they sold me. However, my connection has recently > started to drop packets like nobody's business. It took me almost 10 > minutes to grab a 17MB file from forge.novell.com, and I've had numerous > downloads stall completely on me beyond repair. > > Is anybody else noticing crap like this? I'm relatively close to calling > Time Warner and complaining and threatening of notifying the media > (local news channels seem to love stories like this), I can deal with > the ~5 random disconnects during the day (lasting between 2-5 minutes) > to some extent, but being throttled this judiciously for USING not > MAXING out my pipe is ridiculous. > > Yeah, I'm having a good day :) > > Cheers. > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > > --_______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 10:46:07 2006 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Nov 2 10:46:11 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] WALberto-MARTinez $398 dollar laptop Message-ID: <319067990611020846m67e322ahec86481110d4cbb4@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone own this particular model or know of some one who does? I want to get one this weekend. I do not game at all on PC (consoles are superior anyway). I use it solely for business (office apps/email). I appreciate any and all input. -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Nov 2 11:05:59 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:06:09 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454A2577.8040801@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > I'm an avid user of bit torrent, I get my work music (hybridized.org) > via Bit Torrent, and Linux distributions via Bit torrent (openSUSE for > example) and I'm finding that either Road Runner's performance has gone > to complete crap recently, or they are throttling the HELL out of my > connection because of Bit Torrent > > My torrent upload cap is set at 10kb/s, which I don't think is unfair > given that uncapped I've seen it get close to 30-40kb/s, and my download > is uncapped, but its not snagging more than 20KB/s at any given time > (these bloody opensuse torrents are slow) > > I don't think I'm taxing the hell out of my connection in any sense, its > not even near what they sold me. However, my connection has recently > started to drop packets like nobody's business. It took me almost 10 > minutes to grab a 17MB file from forge.novell.com, and I've had numerous > downloads stall completely on me beyond repair. > > Is anybody else noticing crap like this? I'm relatively close to calling > Time Warner and complaining and threatening of notifying the media > (local news channels seem to love stories like this), I can deal with > the ~5 random disconnects during the day (lasting between 2-5 minutes) > to some extent, but being throttled this judiciously for USING not > MAXING out my pipe is ridiculous. > > Yeah, I'm having a good day :) > > Cheers. I'm so glad I can get ATT now. They're doing much better than TWC ever did. Of course, I've got FTTH, not the plain ol' twisted pair. Probably makes a difference... David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRUold8nf+vRw63ObAQrSPAwAkst4iSO+e2nlsjNxzJhlYVgIGdezF8Zy 39NZSObrw4GfV9UNmWVFccyTV/GHfdhu+MEeuF/J4xvVrRsxvsu/+W3MwFow/ehU VTeONQOJG1W+8vOsHpTYwCiFFFtb8QG5YsmF+0oVMzSPRf5/EAidFqTJ8urtnVre 6DinL1wEdBfz+xNibR8zsczvo2Y8p+iA/Mn0dkdogZXYuDfIVa4LbjeSHi8FbjbG FQtfdbAIU8SvxkonIkvOuF393eU+eGgAoQzC+jrBPgGseglumfSejMaPDOLUJ7T/ hNXCZStx+vjVnL9MZd7okhFpBzZkLPsPba6LCZ/dYEzLfWTo7pgmw/XFEPwYktxi mo+P6h+leK0TBQvxQozH/ix+0pbxkYxkhOyh1nTS9JJbptjgE6YSnkYkiMZfZvxB W500EaRv/YGZlx7iFoKiRTjf1SkFgYrtDdTbhpciKVcjhiJdo7WpCFAn1zFrY0HV 1udGAfa+uH32zxJr/UfcAekOXa8miwpy =5+5l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From netrixtardis at stealth3.com Thu Nov 2 11:12:33 2006 From: netrixtardis at stealth3.com (NetrixTardis) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:12:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <454A2577.8040801@shlrm.org> References: <454A2577.8040801@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <454A2701.2000007@stealth3.com> my only choice of broadband is TimeWorthless. AT&T will only give me the 1.5mbits/128kbps DSL. which i really don't want. NetrixTardis David Kowis wrote: > > I'm so glad I can get ATT now. They're doing much better than TWC ever did. Of > course, I've got FTTH, not the plain ol' twisted pair. Probably makes a difference... > > David From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Nov 2 11:13:47 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:13:52 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <454A2701.2000007@stealth3.com> References: <454A2577.8040801@shlrm.org> <454A2701.2000007@stealth3.com> Message-ID: <454A274B.6060407@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 NetrixTardis wrote: > my only choice of broadband is TimeWorthless. AT&T will only give me the > 1.5mbits/128kbps DSL. which i really don't want. > > NetrixTardis I remember having that very same problem. It sucked so much. Call speakeasy and see if they can do anything for you. Sometimes they can get you better DSL. David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRUonSsnf+vRw63ObAQqepAv/XfMkc9T+OsEFC+ayW4OrcRg+uVOH+ZC3 vVL69q9NYDVq6RDsSu5FMd2K6nXnXBlGASmffzd8kMV4mHP57o4IaAF/j3IFN9G+ IH5/g05HVMk+eRqcO+/azcBSCR92gGRXdWBNa04tu308jsvRpuArCatxDlsEYte6 ExY6pLSLqd1FGQerhPX2GrF8qGAYsLTM+vjF1r151mH9ABlhnxva08w5/Hla4AU3 4us5tpbSkp9cjVwY+e32/7kxt/MwNN+mpKw73iDRjVFZlYTstqJXaYIZ7lrDU8RI cyY60rxm8u8BNEscNZR08SwvNAqqBAJNCzMU21HBI8sm8EN0YR5O2QKZS0jU2r+F OkS8OXoZDbnhLQP+z8t6RT1KGUPfkIsk/9vtMmeUQND7+EPUffMGzYxDm9x01AOg hN37iKzY/m012XPB42JzraIs524p6urV7NL5ZRLDAO7CfyfV4JZTxpYzSiU6QQdC TBjSVf2mzCEeykc7YklW+oNdJGKCleX4 =2uvf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From agrayfox at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 12:07:32 2006 From: agrayfox at gmail.com (augie grayfox) Date: Thu Nov 2 12:04:39 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611021107.32806.agrayfox@gmail.com> On Thursday 02 November 2006 9:33, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > I don't think I'm taxing the hell out of my connection in any sense, > its not even near what they sold me. However, my connection has > recently started to drop packets like nobody's business. It took me > almost 10 minutes to grab a 17MB file from forge.novell.com, and I've > had numerous downloads stall completely on me beyond repair. > > Is anybody else noticing crap like this? Here in AZ, I downloaded a 78Mb iso on a win98 boxen at 54 KB/sec but when I switched to my Linux boxen I was getting 339 KB/ sec still not the greatest but much better than the 98. On cox (sucker) BTW. -- augie grayfox From travis at nexus.subspacefield.org Thu Nov 2 13:53:23 2006 From: travis at nexus.subspacefield.org (Travis H.) Date: Thu Nov 2 13:53:29 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] this is driving me nuts In-Reply-To: References: <45481967.6060508@sbcglobal.net> <45482691.6000208@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20061102195323.GA32056@nexus.subspacefield.org> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 01:43:56AM -0600, Robert Pearson wrote: > I had this problem with Ubuntu. Once you are on the network be sure > and do the update with apt or yum or whatever Kubuntu is using. That > update will fix a lot of problems. I wish I were clever because there > is probably a way to do apt or yum in Knoppix and have it update the > Kubuntu. I'm not that clever. Also install automatix2 and keep the changes to the apt sources.list -- "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez -><- From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 14:06:31 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:06:34 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <200611021107.32806.agrayfox@gmail.com> References: <200611021107.32806.agrayfox@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730611021206r3dde389di4f3c23150c40431e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, augie grayfox wrote: > On Thursday 02 November 2006 9:33, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > > > > I don't think I'm taxing the hell out of my connection in any sense, > > its not even near what they sold me. However, my connection has > > recently started to drop packets like nobody's business. It took me > > almost 10 minutes to grab a 17MB file from forge.novell.com, and I've > > had numerous downloads stall completely on me beyond repair. > > > > Is anybody else noticing crap like this? > > Here in AZ, I downloaded a 78Mb iso on a win98 boxen at 54 KB/sec > but when I switched to my Linux boxen I was getting 339 KB/ sec > still not the greatest but much better than the 98. On cox (sucker) BTW. Does your windows box have software installed from a CD given to you by your internet provider? I've seen this in the past with satellite internet, at least, that they are using proprietary compression on the client. One way to get around this is to use a connection sharing solution that runs on Windows. Call COX and Complain. Tell them you have an Apple to avoid arguing with them about the commercial viability of GNU/Linux as a Desktop OS. It's not their place to say. BTW, I hear tell that Comcast may be making trails into TX. Comcast > TWC, in my experience. If they didn't buy out the TX rights entirely, they probably eventually will, beginning with Houston. Vive le Broadband.. -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 14:10:38 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:10:41 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0611021210p5f3f9f87i379bc8de163c8a03@mail.gmail.com> R. Tyler, was is the difference in speed using BitTorrent against downloading the MP3 directly? On 11/2/06, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > I'm an avid user of bit torrent, I get my work music (hybridized.org) > via Bit Torrent, and Linux distributions via Bit torrent (openSUSE > for example) and I'm finding that either Road Runner's performance > has gone to complete crap recently, or they are throttling the HELL > out of my connection because of Bit Torrent > > My torrent upload cap is set at 10kb/s, which I don't think is unfair > given that uncapped I've seen it get close to 30-40kb/s, and my > download is uncapped, but its not snagging more than 20KB/s at any > given time (these bloody opensuse torrents are slow) > > I don't think I'm taxing the hell out of my connection in any sense, > its not even near what they sold me. However, my connection has > recently started to drop packets like nobody's business. It took me > almost 10 minutes to grab a 17MB file from forge.novell.com, and I've > had numerous downloads stall completely on me beyond repair. > > Is anybody else noticing crap like this? I'm relatively close to > calling Time Warner and complaining and threatening of notifying the > media (local news channels seem to love stories like this), I can > deal with the ~5 random disconnects during the day (lasting between > 2-5 minutes) to some extent, but being throttled this judiciously for > USING not MAXING out my pipe is ridiculous. > > Yeah, I'm having a good day :) > > Cheers. > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 14:17:40 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:17:45 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> Getting back to the core of the thread, I have never had issues with performance on Time Warner with any Platform, but I have to take meds to keep from committing crimes against their customer service people, and I think our bill approaches $200/mo. An associate of mine in Paris pays $35-50/mo for ADSL 2+: 20Mb/s downstream 1.5Mb/s upstream Telephone Television it.makes.me.sick. On 11/2/06, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > I'm an avid user of bit torrent, I get my work music (hybridized.org) > via Bit Torrent, and Linux distributions via Bit torrent (openSUSE > for example) and I'm finding that either Road Runner's performance > has gone to complete crap recently, or they are throttling the HELL > out of my connection because of Bit Torrent > > My torrent upload cap is set at 10kb/s, which I don't think is unfair > given that uncapped I've seen it get close to 30-40kb/s, and my > download is uncapped, but its not snagging more than 20KB/s at any > given time (these bloody opensuse torrents are slow) > > I don't think I'm taxing the hell out of my connection in any sense, > its not even near what they sold me. However, my connection has > recently started to drop packets like nobody's business. It took me > almost 10 minutes to grab a 17MB file from forge.novell.com, and I've > had numerous downloads stall completely on me beyond repair. > > Is anybody else noticing crap like this? I'm relatively close to > calling Time Warner and complaining and threatening of notifying the > media (local news channels seem to love stories like this), I can > deal with the ~5 random disconnects during the day (lasting between > 2-5 minutes) to some extent, but being throttled this judiciously for > USING not MAXING out my pipe is ridiculous. > > Yeah, I'm having a good day :) > > Cheers. > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From tyler at bleepsoft.com Thu Nov 2 14:18:02 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:18:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0611021210p5f3f9f87i379bc8de163c8a03@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0611021210p5f3f9f87i379bc8de163c8a03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E992081-DF1A-449B-ACEA-206C6F1A15A1@bleepsoft.com> On Nov 2, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > R. Tyler, was is the difference in speed using BitTorrent against > downloading the MP3 directly? With regards to hybridized.org (woot!) I download the Mp3's via torrents to spare their web servers and help offload some of the weight of distributing 100+MB sets almost on a weekly basis. In most cases (prior to this week) downloading the Mp3's via torrents was ~100k/s which was acceptable IMHO. This week, I'm noticing slow downs in downloading the openSUSE torrents, between two torrents, I'm getting no greater than 25K/s collectively, frustrated with this I tried downloading an ISO off of HTTP, which stalled at around 80MB at was showing ~4K/s (that really pissed me off) I called Time Warner, a tech with a new cable modem (just in case) is coming out tomorrow to check the line, and if that doesn't fix the issues, I'll then have more reason to hate Time Warner for throttling completely legitimate usage of a service they've sold me. Cheers. p.s. hybridized.org rocks :) R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From tyler at bleepsoft.com Thu Nov 2 14:20:49 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:20:58 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Justizin wrote: > it.makes.me.sick. It must be making you sick, only a Justizin of compromised health would punctuate that much ;) Cheers. R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 14:28:10 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:28:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730611021228h5fda1c35p4d2d07498f87f911@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Justizin wrote: > > > it.makes.me.sick. > > It must be making you sick, only a Justizin of compromised health > would punctuate that much ;) > That's right, I emphasized by turning a phrase into four sentence fragments. ;) -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Nov 2 14:37:56 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:38:02 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Justizin wrote: > Getting back to the core of the thread, I have never had issues with > performance on Time Warner with any Platform, but I have to take meds > to keep from committing crimes against their customer service people, > and I think our bill approaches $200/mo. > > An associate of mine in Paris pays $35-50/mo for ADSL 2+: > > 20Mb/s downstream > 1.5Mb/s upstream > Telephone > Television > > it.makes.me.sick. > Yeah :( US Internet SUCKS. The Telco and the Cable companies have a strangle hold on us. And they get permission to run cables through my yard and such. And yet I cannot really do anything to them. It would be nice if I could prevent them from running cables through my yard. It'd be fair. Their customer service sucks, so does mine :) David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iQGVAwUBRUpXJMnf+vRw63ObAQoebgv/bgcfkOkKwA0HNB1gLtVssyW0udtiNNAw 8SXWsedU1nz68SXzyIkzI/weqNV/A969ThNtZSfw8DunfHsb2P9LOKJYzTxZJ1vs YgkzUt9urbdyGn0SGSNZGoSJ7u3mHAmeS8A5/B5/+0qs63vjN7zmW/BhmyWi4AhB y0yJ03KNzg+/CXvLtatVIzLTAdtgN4ezvo6u/TAWhQ0QSZzx9K9yi/q1b8VsYJdJ yMrk6Q2UZHyBz5Fe8n2cMGx0x0b2xFj+M8/Mh0XSdrObZwwrZYGQqbVlgthRpTY2 7PIW/wvXHULMYk7VZ5AkgBAOami6kPn9ughcRtWgv0/wf35H7Bmvfg8bBGE7+GzU STa8rhpOklLPGYmuTl5geNmjtFm34W14nDTAgXl1XidcQOLWOv7UIoTWPjlN6rRQ xlCEUqk3fcZk612hoDLcNZ34pd5cZBhk2n6eYUgJRKB2vJImtSb7ZkgwfFG16SWj NLztyEsK2db+jFlHp4GC1ch9r8rLOZac =DjlN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 14:44:13 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:44:21 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <0E992081-DF1A-449B-ACEA-206C6F1A15A1@bleepsoft.com> References: <79ec289f0611021210p5f3f9f87i379bc8de163c8a03@mail.gmail.com> <0E992081-DF1A-449B-ACEA-206C6F1A15A1@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0611021244y22f19c1u3d4500b848b10a20@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > With regards to hybridized.org (woot!) I download the Mp3's via > torrents to spare their web servers and help offload some of the > weight of distributing 100+MB sets almost on a weekly basis. In most > cases (prior to this week) downloading the Mp3's via torrents was > ~100k/s which was acceptable IMHO. > > This week, I'm noticing slow downs in downloading the openSUSE > torrents, between two torrents, I'm getting no greater than 25K/s > collectively, frustrated with this I tried downloading an ISO off of > HTTP, which stalled at around 80MB at was showing ~4K/s (that really > pissed me off) This almost seems to me a tracker or client issue. And it might be because they are using decentralized trackers. You never said what BitTorrent client you are using. I would try 3, Azureus, standard BitTorrent and BTornado and compare the bandwidth. > p.s. hybridized.org rocks :) Thanks. I'm always on the lookout for some trance and goa. Ever listen to the stream Digitally Imported? I just love their Trance channel. -- Jeremy From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 14:51:44 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:51:55 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) Message-ID: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> > > Thanks. I'm always on the lookout for some trance and goa. Ever listen > to the stream Digitally Imported? I just love their Trance channel. > Trance?!?! Meh. Deep House. ;) Actually, I think they just nixed the house channel and made Deep House the default. Last.fm and Pandora are also nice, and Mog.com is a "Music Blog" tool which will catalog your entire music collection, even if the id3 tags are incorrect, based on the waveform, in a privacy-safe way powered by Gracenote/CDDB. Applications like MusicMatch, iTunes, and many players keep track of how many times something has been played and a user rating. By means of this, you can have a radio station which is powered by the music preferences of a network of friends. Of course, it's very proprietary and would not interoperate with a competing service, but I met the founder, David Hyman, a past CEO at Gracenote and VP of New Media or somesuch at MTV. Smart guy, got a lot of artists to sign up and, in fact, the idea was largely driven by some of the artists, esp Bjork, who want to connect more closely with their fans. -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From luis at luisgarza.com Thu Nov 2 13:44:08 2006 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:54:35 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1543.192.168.2.1.1162496648.squirrel@luisgarza.com> I believe that PBS had a special on this last week. They were talking about after the breakup of Ma Bell, the baby Bells asked for a monoply in their coverage area and a tax break in return for providing a fast infrastructure for the internet. Basically they took the tax breaks and pocketed the money and failed to provide the fiber infrastructure. They pointed out the Asia and Europe have a faster infrastructure while the US strives to provide the cheapest thus slowest service. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Justizin wrote: >> Getting back to the core of the thread, I have never had issues with >> performance on Time Warner with any Platform, but I have to take meds >> to keep from committing crimes against their customer service people, >> and I think our bill approaches $200/mo. >> >> An associate of mine in Paris pays $35-50/mo for ADSL 2+: >> >> 20Mb/s downstream >> 1.5Mb/s upstream >> Telephone >> Television >> >> it.makes.me.sick. >> > > Yeah :( > US Internet SUCKS. > > The Telco and the Cable companies have a strangle hold on us. And they get > permission to run cables through my yard and such. And yet I cannot really > do > anything to them. It would be nice if I could prevent them from running > cables > through my yard. It'd be fair. Their customer service sucks, so does mine > :) > > David > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) > > iQGVAwUBRUpXJMnf+vRw63ObAQoebgv/bgcfkOkKwA0HNB1gLtVssyW0udtiNNAw > 8SXWsedU1nz68SXzyIkzI/weqNV/A969ThNtZSfw8DunfHsb2P9LOKJYzTxZJ1vs > YgkzUt9urbdyGn0SGSNZGoSJ7u3mHAmeS8A5/B5/+0qs63vjN7zmW/BhmyWi4AhB > y0yJ03KNzg+/CXvLtatVIzLTAdtgN4ezvo6u/TAWhQ0QSZzx9K9yi/q1b8VsYJdJ > yMrk6Q2UZHyBz5Fe8n2cMGx0x0b2xFj+M8/Mh0XSdrObZwwrZYGQqbVlgthRpTY2 > 7PIW/wvXHULMYk7VZ5AkgBAOami6kPn9ughcRtWgv0/wf35H7Bmvfg8bBGE7+GzU > STa8rhpOklLPGYmuTl5geNmjtFm34W14nDTAgXl1XidcQOLWOv7UIoTWPjlN6rRQ > xlCEUqk3fcZk612hoDLcNZ34pd5cZBhk2n6eYUgJRKB2vJImtSb7ZkgwfFG16SWj > NLztyEsK2db+jFlHp4GC1ch9r8rLOZac > =DjlN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Nov 2 14:54:41 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:54:42 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061102205441.1963.qmail@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Justizin wrote: > > Trance?!?! Meh. > > Deep House. ;) is that the kind of music where you just stand there and dance as if you have spasms or something? lol just wondering. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) From tyler at bleepsoft.com Thu Nov 2 14:57:06 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:57:16 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ED5A00C-12ED-44FF-965C-DA0849F3259A@bleepsoft.com> On Nov 2, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Justizin wrote: >> >> Thanks. I'm always on the lookout for some trance and goa. Ever >> listen >> to the stream Digitally Imported? I just love their Trance channel. >> > > Trance?!?! Meh. > > Deep House. ;) > > Actually, I think they just nixed the house channel and made Deep > House the default. > > Last.fm and Pandora are also nice, and Mog.com is a "Music Blog" tool > which will catalog your entire music collection, even if the id3 tags > are incorrect, based on the waveform, in a privacy-safe way powered by > Gracenote/CDDB. Applications like MusicMatch, iTunes, and many > players keep track of how many times something has been played and a > user rating. By means of this, you can have a radio station which is > powered by the music preferences of a network of friends. Along the topic of music, I tend to listen to hybridized sets (Micah has great sets) or more ambient music, like M83, or Menomena, occasionally going for a drive to listen to Pennywise, Bad Religion, etc :) Cheers R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 14:58:18 2006 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:58:21 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> > > Thanks. I'm always on the lookout for some trance and goa. Ever listen > > to the stream Digitally Imported? I just love their Trance channel. > > > > Trance?!?! Meh. > > Deep House. ;) > > Actually, I think they just nixed the house channel and made Deep > House the default. House?! Meh. Chillout. :) -Mike From travis at nexus.subspacefield.org Thu Nov 2 15:01:53 2006 From: travis at nexus.subspacefield.org (Travis H.) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:01:55 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <1543.192.168.2.1.1162496648.squirrel@luisgarza.com> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> <1543.192.168.2.1.1162496648.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <20061102210153.GC32056@nexus.subspacefield.org> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 02:44:08PM -0500, Luis Garza wrote: > They were talking about after the breakup of Ma Bell, the baby Bells asked > for a monoply in their coverage area and a tax break in return for > providing a fast infrastructure for the internet. Basically they took the > tax breaks and pocketed the money and failed to provide the fiber > infrastructure. I've heard that T/W was giving them incentives to slow down deployment of DSL and fiber. -- "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez -><- From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:02:05 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:02:07 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, Mike Wallace wrote: > House?! Meh. > > Chillout. :) Chillout?! The Meh.. Gabber ;( -- Jeremy From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 15:07:55 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:08:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <20061102210153.GC32056@nexus.subspacefield.org> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> <1543.192.168.2.1.1162496648.squirrel@luisgarza.com> <20061102210153.GC32056@nexus.subspacefield.org> Message-ID: <77be04730611021307l52d6cf0an7f2f449c8399e0c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, Travis H. wrote: > On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 02:44:08PM -0500, Luis Garza wrote: > > They were talking about after the breakup of Ma Bell, the baby Bells asked > > for a monoply in their coverage area and a tax break in return for > > providing a fast infrastructure for the internet. Basically they took the > > tax breaks and pocketed the money and failed to provide the fiber > > infrastructure. > > I've heard that T/W was giving them incentives to slow down deployment > of DSL and fiber. Also worth noting that Thierry says the prices in France are largely a supply / demand thing. They need customers, noone in the US is *really* looking to convince people that having internet access is a good idea, they are looking to steal each other's customers. It is worth noting that some years ago there was publicity about a rich fellow who plans to fund the deployment of fiber up to the outside of every house in the states. In the 80s, he postulated that noone would ever really be able to deploy cable TV without just paying for it and waiting for it to pay off, which has happened probably 100 times over now. So, I have some faith that we may see this happen again. I think, basically, he's like: "I want fiber at my house, but what's the point of using BitTorrent if you don't have fiber at your house, too?" ;) -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:06:59 2006 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:08:48 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454A5DF3.6010007@gmail.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > On 11/2/06, Mike Wallace wrote: >> Meh?! >> Meh. From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:08:50 2006 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:08:52 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> > Chillout?! The Meh.. > > Gabber ;( Gabber?! Meh. Well to each his own, I suppose. :-p From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 15:14:07 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:14:10 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730611021314h74f07c8bp90f6446522c85ee@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, Mike Wallace wrote: > > Chillout?! The Meh.. > > > > Gabber ;( > > > Gabber?! Meh. Well to each his own, I suppose. :-p LOL. It seems that di.fm have chosen well with regard to market segmentation. Did anyone mention Sky.fm Modern Jazz? Giggity. -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:17:17 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:17:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021307l52d6cf0an7f2f449c8399e0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> <1543.192.168.2.1.1162496648.squirrel@luisgarza.com> <20061102210153.GC32056@nexus.subspacefield.org> <77be04730611021307l52d6cf0an7f2f449c8399e0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0611021317i5128f23cp3e67a5e50bb056e5@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, Justizin wrote: > I think, basically, he's like: > > "I want fiber at my house, but what's the point of using BitTorrent > if you don't have fiber at your house, too?" Speaking of fiber to the curb, my Dad lives up in the hill country and he told me the other day that GVTC is about to roll out a fiber to the curb service in Comal county. -- Jeremy From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:19:02 2006 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:19:05 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0611021319m637b4bf3hd4f371e188bf6ea7@mail.gmail.com> Gabber was just a joke. I can't understand how somebody could listen to chipmunk techo sped up 200%. On 11/2/06, Mike Wallace wrote: > > Chillout?! The Meh.. > > > > Gabber ;( > > > Gabber?! Meh. Well to each his own, I suppose. :-p > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:20:00 2006 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:20:08 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021314h74f07c8bp90f6446522c85ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730611021314h74f07c8bp90f6446522c85ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319067990611021320t18747bf0la95a15bf513d2c38@mail.gmail.com> Will this mog also retitle and correct your collection? I have a large collection that is totally out of control. I'm sure there are duplicates in there too, and i want to get it all ironed out to load into my ipod... any suggestions? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Last.fm and Pandora are also nice, and Mog.comis a "Music Blog" tool which will catalog your entire music collection, even if the id3 tags are incorrect, based on the waveform, in a privacy-safe way powered by Gracenote/CDDB. On 11/2/06, Justizin wrote: > > On 11/2/06, Mike Wallace wrote: > > > Chillout?! The Meh.. > > > > > > Gabber ;( > > > > > > Gabber?! Meh. Well to each his own, I suppose. :-p > > LOL. > > It seems that di.fm have chosen well with regard to market segmentation. > > Did anyone mention Sky.fm Modern Jazz? Giggity. > > -- > Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect > ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter > http://www.siggraph.org/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Nov 2 15:23:23 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:22:12 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0611021317i5128f23cp3e67a5e50bb056e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> <1543.192.168.2.1.1162496648.squirrel@luisgarza.com> <20061102210153.GC32056@nexus.subspacefield.org> <77be04730611021307l52d6cf0an7f2f449c8399e0c@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021317i5128f23cp3e67a5e50bb056e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454A61CB.7030007@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Jeremy Mann wrote: > On 11/2/06, Justizin wrote: > >> I think, basically, he's like: >> >> "I want fiber at my house, but what's the point of using BitTorrent >> if you don't have fiber at your house, too?" > > Speaking of fiber to the curb, my Dad lives up in the hill country and > he told me the other day that GVTC is about to roll out a fiber to the > curb service in Comal county. > Just in case you didn't know, ATT is rolling fiber to the house in new subdivisions in San Antonio. I've got it ;) (okay, I'll stop rubbing it in now) Not that I can use the fiber to it's fullest. They've got to work out the legislation so that they can do IPTV (yes, it is cable damnit, and you cannot track what I watch, how long i watch it for, and how often I watch.) I've got approx 4mbit down and 2.5mbit up. According to the techs that I spoke to that were setting it all up, they've planned for 28mb/s for each house: 20mbit for internets 8mbit for IPTV some insignificant kbits for a phone line It'd be great if they'd get their shit in gear. Oh, I'm paying 80 a month for this, because I wanted a static IP. I couldn't get just one, however, I had to get 5. Even though I only needed one. There's a reason we've got IP shortages.... Stupid ISPs. This kinda trailed on into a rant type thing, so I'm going to cut it off now. :) David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQGUAwUBRUphy8nf+vRw63ObAQoaDQv4gEtlZYg0M6qOE6keyOSJZtSpeS/E8lqq 4Qo/1nti6bWdXDwnhesVY4JhK0OxwvDDwKfy8AZt45UPVK1yNMcONjEeGs2HlbKt a3fbu4v01S703YGIO9MoEHNQvCx/LGeoC+cjrDYtYLfQ8eIZwQKUcZ+fKZHLZjOv CdIPVeb7mT1yf/iwtqGQ4rGsAS8UdL/z2AfPSWPG3EQKlISw23hsaAaYKSM3MekJ bA7/iLgyGXSFHsMKA41idaGf5PTPhDQlDKCv217rV6LMlWwXqJ7dXpNdKjfZg2ms 9eYOTItKnDK3FNUD5pkQnK1hFcTkjp1/kVP+8BoROekDRlOQsA9Rp2AliqvTSB/O gEtUUAZ62a8qhFY3JICJ8VaohPqcVTYOg1C0pE/d6nOBYHdHHQXifgqhmNYDqUDQ N9+VXIi/OlalvsmizBWSggV5FISpHo1QPVTtPl8r/itf3EPl/dgfYwpt+UGQsx46 78ssWecgIymgxuuNtwDtboXOYb77re4= =JNIt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 15:22:34 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:23:21 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <319067990611021320t18747bf0la95a15bf513d2c38@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730611021314h74f07c8bp90f6446522c85ee@mail.gmail.com> <319067990611021320t18747bf0la95a15bf513d2c38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730611021322k468218c8lba9649e2034f2156@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, Ernest de Leon wrote: > Will this mog also retitle and correct your collection? I have a large > collection that is totally out of control. I'm sure there are duplicates in > there too, and i want to get it all ironed out to load into my ipod... any > suggestions? It might do that for you, I know MusicMatch will, and will remove dups. Mog has a client that runs on my Mac and transmits some sort of info based on interaction with iTunes. It's an open protocol, though, check on gracenote.com. You could write a perl script, but probably have to compile a local C library or something so that it can summarize the waveform locally, transmit, instead of like, transmitting your mp3 to gracenote to be analyzed and discarded. -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:26:45 2006 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:26:48 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021322k468218c8lba9649e2034f2156@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730611021314h74f07c8bp90f6446522c85ee@mail.gmail.com> <319067990611021320t18747bf0la95a15bf513d2c38@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730611021322k468218c8lba9649e2034f2156@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319067990611021326x29045f29m6b53d39fd58fdaa9@mail.gmail.com> musicmatch the free version or the paid for version? I don't mind paying for a piece of sowtare if it wilol do everything that i want. E On 11/2/06, Justizin wrote: > > On 11/2/06, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > Will this mog also retitle and correct your collection? I have a large > > collection that is totally out of control. I'm sure there are > duplicates in > > there too, and i want to get it all ironed out to load into my > ipod... any > > suggestions? > > It might do that for you, I know MusicMatch will, and will remove > dups. Mog has a client that runs on my Mac and transmits some sort of > info based on interaction with iTunes. > > It's an open protocol, though, check on gracenote.com. You could > write a perl script, but probably have to compile a local C library or > something so that it can summarize the waveform locally, transmit, > instead of like, transmitting your mp3 to gracenote to be analyzed and > discarded. > > -- > Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect > ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter > http://www.siggraph.org/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:27:33 2006 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:27:36 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <319067990611021326x29045f29m6b53d39fd58fdaa9@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730611021314h74f07c8bp90f6446522c85ee@mail.gmail.com> <319067990611021320t18747bf0la95a15bf513d2c38@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730611021322k468218c8lba9649e2034f2156@mail.gmail.com> <319067990611021326x29045f29m6b53d39fd58fdaa9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319067990611021327v2509584h35ac256049b8412c@mail.gmail.com> that gabber music got me all dyslexic... On 11/2/06, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > musicmatch the free version or the paid for version? I don't mind paying > for a piece of sowtare if it wilol do everything that i want. > > E > > On 11/2/06, Justizin wrote: > > > > On 11/2/06, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > > Will this mog also retitle and correct your collection? I have a > > large > > > collection that is totally out of control. I'm sure there are > > duplicates in > > > there too, and i want to get it all ironed out to load into my > > ipod... any > > > suggestions? > > > > It might do that for you, I know MusicMatch will, and will remove > > dups. Mog has a client that runs on my Mac and transmits some sort of > > info based on interaction with iTunes. > > > > It's an open protocol, though, check on gracenote.com. You could > > write a perl script, but probably have to compile a local C library or > > something so that it can summarize the waveform locally, transmit, > > instead of like, transmitting your mp3 to gracenote to be analyzed and > > discarded. > > > > -- > > Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect > > ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter > > http://www.siggraph.org/ > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > # Ernest De Leon > > "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From mikeaw at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:30:36 2006 From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:30:38 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0611021319m637b4bf3hd4f371e188bf6ea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021319m637b4bf3hd4f371e188bf6ea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4154519d0611021330q6a383fd6lce83918ff3af3675@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Gabber was just a joke. I can't understand how somebody could listen > to chipmunk techo sped up 200%. Neither can I. Once a track gets up into the 160 - 170 bpm range, that's too fast for my ears.... and that's the slow end of Gabber. :-p From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Nov 2 15:31:34 2006 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:31:36 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <319067990611021326x29045f29m6b53d39fd58fdaa9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061102213134.31437.qmail@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> isnt all Windows software free? At least when I used to use Windows it was for me. --- Ernest de Leon wrote: > musicmatch the free version or the paid for version? > I don't mind paying > for a piece of sowtare if it wilol do everything > that i want. > > E ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 15:33:49 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:34:05 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <20061102213134.31437.qmail@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <319067990611021326x29045f29m6b53d39fd58fdaa9@mail.gmail.com> <20061102213134.31437.qmail@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77be04730611021333k2f4f582av660e53ff46f442d5@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > isnt all Windows software free? At least when I used > to use Windows it was for me. > Ssshhh.... I think there is a free MusicMatch, not sure if you like need "Pro" to use the Gracenote service. -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From justizin at siggraph.org Thu Nov 2 15:42:21 2006 From: justizin at siggraph.org (Justizin) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:43:13 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <454A61CB.7030007@shlrm.org> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> <1543.192.168.2.1.1162496648.squirrel@luisgarza.com> <20061102210153.GC32056@nexus.subspacefield.org> <77be04730611021307l52d6cf0an7f2f449c8399e0c@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021317i5128f23cp3e67a5e50bb056e5@mail.gmail.com> <454A61CB.7030007@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <77be04730611021342r5ec63d4bn5758c0ebcdfc4842@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/06, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Jeremy Mann wrote: > > On 11/2/06, Justizin wrote: > > > >> I think, basically, he's like: > >> > >> "I want fiber at my house, but what's the point of using BitTorrent > >> if you don't have fiber at your house, too?" > > > > Speaking of fiber to the curb, my Dad lives up in the hill country and > > he told me the other day that GVTC is about to roll out a fiber to the > > curb service in Comal county. > > > > Just in case you didn't know, ATT is rolling fiber to the house in new > subdivisions in San Antonio. I've got it ;) (okay, I'll stop rubbing it > in now) > > Not that I can use the fiber to it's fullest. They've got to work out > the legislation so that they can do IPTV (yes, it is cable damnit, and > you cannot track what I watch, how long i watch it for, and how often I > watch.) I've got approx 4mbit down and 2.5mbit up. According to the Why can't they track your viewing habits? Do you use Google? ;) I trust Google more than AT&T, though. They have a recent track record of refusing aggressive, but invalid, governmental requests for private data, which is probably less of a concern with viewing data than email and search history, anyway. I bet my left pinky toe that TWC's digital cable already logs your viewing habits. Hey, if my cable bill somehow includes the cost of paying people to keep ratings diaries and a linux box can do it, more power. Offerings would improve, as well, because really you only get ratings from people who happen, for some reason, to be willing to personally record and share everything they watch by hand. > techs that I spoke to that were setting it all up, they've planned for > 28mb/s for each house: > 20mbit for internets > 8mbit for IPTV > some insignificant kbits for a phone line interested to know how many kbits, since a voice channel is 64k.. > It'd be great if they'd get their shit in gear. > > Oh, I'm paying 80 a month for this, because I wanted a static IP. I > couldn't get just one, however, I had to get 5. Even though I only > needed one. There's a reason we've got IP shortages.... Stupid ISPs. Don't get me started. ;) That said, IBM has like two Class A subnets and they provision a class C to a room with 20 computers. The fact is, IP is a hardwired namespace, you don't want a namespace to be full, and even if it's filling up, it's impractical to adjust your usage of it to accommodate for that. If you'd ever stared a list of 100k IPs tied to 10,000 cat5 cables in the face, though, you'd never be the same. Then again, is it somehow *more* ethical to demand an increase of power consumption for each IP, or is it a Good Thing(tm) that today's machines can do the work of ten or more enigmas? ;d > This kinda trailed on into a rant type thing, so I'm going to cut it off > now. By all means, continue! Okay, don't listen to my advice. ;d -- Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter http://www.siggraph.org/ From kingttx at hotmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:43:22 2006 From: kingttx at hotmail.com (Thomas King) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:43:31 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: Music Fanboys! In-Reply-To: <20061102213141.2E9FF43DFF0@satlug.org> Message-ID: > > Gabber was just a joke. I can't understand how somebody could listen > > to chipmunk techo sped up 200%. > >Neither can I. Once a track gets up into the 160 - 170 bpm range, >that's too fast for my ears.... and that's the slow end of Gabber. >:-p Oh man, it's gotta be tech step d-n-b! That's still my first love from when I first learned to mix. www.beatport.com isn't bad, but I haven't compared it to the other sites y'all listed. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more…then map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 From travis at nexus.subspacefield.org Thu Nov 2 16:11:25 2006 From: travis at nexus.subspacefield.org (Travis H.) Date: Thu Nov 2 16:11:35 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0611021319m637b4bf3hd4f371e188bf6ea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021308q1033d7c6r898acc31bc064251@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021319m637b4bf3hd4f371e188bf6ea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061102221125.GA2784@nexus.subspacefield.org> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:19:02PM -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Gabber was just a joke. I can't understand how somebody could listen > to chipmunk techo sped up 200%. It's typically 160bpm, which is the speed of jungle, 2x speed up of rap. Some of it is ridiculously sped up, but some is quite listenable. Check out Manu le Malin. -- "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez -><- From travis at nexus.subspacefield.org Thu Nov 2 16:17:13 2006 From: travis at nexus.subspacefield.org (Travis H.) Date: Thu Nov 2 16:17:18 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <454A61CB.7030007@shlrm.org> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> <454A5724.5090401@shlrm.org> <1543.192.168.2.1.1162496648.squirrel@luisgarza.com> <20061102210153.GC32056@nexus.subspacefield.org> <77be04730611021307l52d6cf0an7f2f449c8399e0c@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021317i5128f23cp3e67a5e50bb056e5@mail.gmail.com> <454A61CB.7030007@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <20061102221713.GB2784@nexus.subspacefield.org> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:23:23PM -0600, David Kowis wrote: > Oh, I'm paying 80 a month for this, because I wanted a static IP. I > couldn't get just one, however, I had to get 5. Even though I only > needed one. There's a reason we've got IP shortages.... Stupid ISPs. What I did is get a co-loc box (this box) and create a VPN, and assign my machines a RFC1918 address, so everything on the VPN doesn't use NAT. I can use it as a NAT box with a permanent IP. You can get a large block from IPv6 tunnel brokers right now for free, and then use IPv6 also. -- "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez -><- From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 16:24:19 2006 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Nov 2 16:24:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021217h7f2573a6x17e4206d28161cb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/2/06, Justizin wrote: > Getting back to the core of the thread, I have never had issues with > performance on Time Warner with any Platform, but I have to take meds > to keep from committing crimes against their customer service people, > and I think our bill approaches $200/mo. > > An associate of mine in Paris pays $35-50/mo for ADSL 2+: > > 20Mb/s downstream > 1.5Mb/s upstream > Telephone > Television > > it.makes.me.sick. Paris, France or Paris, Texas? I doubt it is in the USA but I'll wait for clarification. From jjordan86 at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 2 16:56:32 2006 From: jjordan86 at satx.rr.com (JJordan) Date: Thu Nov 2 16:56:32 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish References: <454A2577.8040801@shlrm.org> <454A2701.2000007@stealth3.com> Message-ID: <001e01c6fed2$24210990$0200a8c0@core4j> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NetrixTardis" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish > my only choice of broadband is TimeWorthless. AT&T will only give me the > 1.5mbits/128kbps DSL. which i really don't want. > > NetrixTardis > > David Kowis wrote: >> >> I'm so glad I can get ATT now. They're doing much better than TWC ever >> did. Of >> course, I've got FTTH, not the plain ol' twisted pair. Probably makes a >> difference... >> >> David > I have used TW for over a year now and, since replacing a line-filter early-on, I have had few complaints. When I have experienced dial-up speeds, it was because the server on the other end of the net was using a dial-up ISP. When I get 90 to 300 KBPS, I do a speed test with Dallas or Houston and verify that I am still clicking at 6.9 MBPS (I use http://www.speedtest.net). When downloading CD and DVD images, if the download is slow, I often Cancel and restart, sometimes two to three times, and usually get several hundred K increase in DL speed. Bottom line for me: most issues appear to be associated with the internet backbone, net-farms, or the terminal server. My next door neighbor just installed the new AT&T-Yahoo (SBC-Yahoo) TV, phone, internet package and has had nothing but trouble with TV pixilation, and internet drops (phone seems to work fine). Needless to say, he is quite unhappy. He was offered the package with the first three months free. Jim From tyler at bleepsoft.com Thu Nov 2 17:41:44 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Thu Nov 2 17:41:50 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <001e01c6fed2$24210990$0200a8c0@core4j> References: <454A2577.8040801@shlrm.org> <454A2701.2000007@stealth3.com> <001e01c6fed2$24210990$0200a8c0@core4j> Message-ID: <19C67303-9D8A-4B05-887B-C31D95623B9B@bleepsoft.com> On Nov 2, 2006, at 4:56 PM, JJordan wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NetrixTardis" > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish > > >> my only choice of broadband is TimeWorthless. AT&T will only give >> me the 1.5mbits/128kbps DSL. which i really don't want. >> >> NetrixTardis >> >> David Kowis wrote: >>> >>> I'm so glad I can get ATT now. They're doing much better than TWC >>> ever did. Of >>> course, I've got FTTH, not the plain ol' twisted pair. Probably >>> makes a difference... >>> >>> David >> > > I have used TW for over a year now and, since replacing a line- > filter early-on, I have had few complaints. When I have > experienced dial-up speeds, it was because the server on the other > end of the net was using a dial-up ISP. When I get 90 to 300 KBPS, > I do a speed test with Dallas or Houston and verify that I am still > clicking at 6.9 MBPS (I use http://www.speedtest.net). When > downloading CD and DVD images, if the download is slow, I often > Cancel and restart, sometimes two to three times, and usually get > several hundred K increase in DL speed. Bottom line for me: most > issues appear to be associated with the internet backbone, net- > farms, or the terminal server. I disagree, when engaging in long transfers (several hundred MB) i notice that the speed will degrade as the transfer goes on, and this is most certainly not something due to the end server, as I never encountered issues of this nature with Charter Communications in south texas. I understand some of the telco's arguments that only so much capacity can go into a neighborhood, blah blah blah, if the market is saturated, don't sell me shit you can't provide, period. I'm glad verizon and other companies are starting to put the hurt on cable ISPs that are entrenched in artificially created monopolies. In a certainly saturated market like San Antonio, there is absolutely no reason why I think there shouldn't be cut throat competition for ISPs. Yet, somehow when I moved into my apartment (northwest san antonio, around Churchill HS), my options were AT&T DSL (1.5/128 up) or Time Warner cable. Some effin' competition that is eh? I'm sick and tired of government subsidized infrastructure being raped and pillaged by corrupt politicians and even more corrupt corporations, which I think the Texas, and to a larger extent, most of the US ISP market, has become. Wasn't the whole free market thing supposed to give us options? *grumble* Cheers. p.s. can't you tell my day has gotten _so_ much better since my first email in the thread? :) R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 2 17:47:59 2006 From: mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net (HAYES DENNIS) Date: Thu Nov 2 17:48:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux aircraft In-Reply-To: <20061101203343.57708.qmail@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061102234759.37653.qmail@web83108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As an aircraft mechanic I can tell you that the systems are redundent. Not sure of the OS but it is not MS or DOS. Alex Bartonek wrote: --- "R. Tyler Ballance" wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/milliped/116393699/ > > > > I would like to know what was the uptime on Linux > running this > > airplane before it crashed or cvs locked up. I > would find a > > different airplane if it was running Vista. > > As somebody mentions in the comments, that's not a > Linux crash per > se, but a boot up (I've crashed Linux, FreeBSD and > Mac OS X in quite > spectacular ways, and it doesn't look like that, > i.e. a kernel > bootstrapping ;)) > > Also, take confidence in knowing that the people > that build airplanes > are not completely retarded and understand that > systems should be > redundant and parallel, meaning that the same system > that runs the > entertainment system is not even closely tied to the > flight > navigation system (which most likely runs a custom > OS or QNX) Looks like network issues? ____________________________________________________________________________________ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From tyler at bleepsoft.com Thu Nov 2 17:56:14 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Thu Nov 2 17:56:20 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Making sure my vote counts Message-ID: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> Does anybody know which, if any, of the precincts in texas are going with electronic voting machines? (Personally, I think they're a bigger threat to democracy than religious fundamentalists, but that's just me with my "logical thinking" again ;)) When I voted last year (or year before last, can't remember) I implicitly chose not to use the electronic machines in my parent's precinct (San Patricio County) explaining to the two little old ladies running the polling station that I wanted a paper trail of my vote because its much harder to fake a paper ballot than it is an electronic one, to which they replied "good point" and directed me to a table so I could fill out my ballot. We're all tech-savvy folks around here, so I'm certain most, if not all, of you understand the crucial flaws in electronic voting, so the question is this, _if_ they only have electronic voting machines in the precinct I vote in next week, is there any way to (force?) request a paper ballot to ensure that my vote counts? What can I say, I'm young and naive, and still think that my vote really matters ;) Cheers R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From dmyhand at cox-internet.com Thu Nov 2 18:31:28 2006 From: dmyhand at cox-internet.com (Dennis Myhand) Date: Thu Nov 2 18:31:48 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Making sure my vote counts In-Reply-To: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> References: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <454A8DE0.5000207@cox-internet.com> R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > Does anybody know which, if any, of the precincts in texas are going > with electronic voting machines? (Personally, I think they're a bigger > threat to democracy than religious fundamentalists, but that's just me > with my "logical thinking" again ;)) > > When I voted last year (or year before last, can't remember) I > implicitly chose not to use the electronic machines in my parent's > precinct (San Patricio County) explaining to the two little old ladies > running the polling station that I wanted a paper trail of my vote > because its much harder to fake a paper ballot than it is an electronic > one, to which they replied "good point" and directed me to a table so I > could fill out my ballot. > > We're all tech-savvy folks around here, so I'm certain most, if not all, > of you understand the crucial flaws in electronic voting, so the > question is this, _if_ they only have electronic voting machines in the > precinct I vote in next week, is there any way to (force?) request a > paper ballot to ensure that my vote counts? > > > What can I say, I'm young and naive, and still think that my vote really > matters ;) > > > Cheers > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > > --_______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > We are using Electronic Voting in the Victoria area. They do not have to provide a paper trail since no one in the Texas Legislature sees the need for this requirement to be in the law which was passed requiring the e-voting machines (Big surprise there. What Pol would think it a good idea to make it easier to keep an eye on them). I spoke with the office of the Sec State about the e-voting machines in the state and was told there was "No way anyone could 'hack' into these and to stop being so paranoid." I guess the only way is to take a piece of paper and pen with you and write down your votes. -- Three o'clock in the afternoon is always just a little too late or a little too early for anything you want to do. -- Jean-Paul Sartre From travis at nexus.subspacefield.org Thu Nov 2 18:51:15 2006 From: travis at nexus.subspacefield.org (Travis H.) Date: Thu Nov 2 18:51:17 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish In-Reply-To: <19C67303-9D8A-4B05-887B-C31D95623B9B@bleepsoft.com> References: <454A2577.8040801@shlrm.org> <454A2701.2000007@stealth3.com> <001e01c6fed2$24210990$0200a8c0@core4j> <19C67303-9D8A-4B05-887B-C31D95623B9B@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <20061103005115.GB31224@nexus.subspacefield.org> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 05:41:44PM -0600, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > there is absolutely no > reason why I think there shouldn't be cut throat competition for ISPs. The first thing they cut is tech support. Back in the dial up heyday, ISPs would make you wait on hold for 20 minutes whether they were busy or not, simply to discourage people from calling in. There just isn't any money in providing tech support. > Yet, somehow when I moved into my apartment (northwest san antonio, > around Churchill HS), my options were AT&T DSL (1.5/128 up) or Time > Warner cable. Some effin' competition that is eh? > > Wasn't the whole free market thing supposed to give us options? No. The totally free market, left unchecked, yields monopolies. See Microsoft. Also, there is a board game that is supposed to teach that, it's called monopoly, and only one person can win. But the real problem is that the FCC was busy busting Ma Bell when it should have been thinking about cable (as well). The real barrier to entry is the ROW for the last mile. -- "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez -><- From agrayfox at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 19:33:06 2006 From: agrayfox at gmail.com (augie grayfox) Date: Thu Nov 2 19:30:11 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <20061102213134.31437.qmail@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <20061102213134.31437.qmail@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200611021833.06098.agrayfox@gmail.com> On Thursday 02 November 2006 2:31, Alex Bartonek wrote: > isnt all Windows software free? At least when I used > to use Windows it was for me. > Yabut, most of the Warez sites went underground or were shut down since then. -- augie grayfox Deja moo - I've heard that bull before From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 2 20:39:39 2006 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Thu Nov 2 19:39:37 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) In-Reply-To: <454A5DF3.6010007@gmail.com> References: <77be04730611021251s4f75921csd262f3921f81bf43@mail.gmail.com> <4154519d0611021258s4bcbe661wd69abeb3bf2d9939@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0611021302v709abc80w8e996aee1e3fd233@mail.gmail.com> <454A5DF3.6010007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <454AABEB.6040707@satx.rr.com> pixelnate wrote: > Jeremy Mann wrote: >> On 11/2/06, Mike Wallace wrote: >>> Meh?! > Meh. Sounds like someone let the goats in again...;^) From mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 20:12:21 2006 From: mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Thu Nov 2 20:12:40 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] Semi-OT: New Website That SATLUG Could Make Use Of Message-ID: <2d1185c80611021812m74061088i754a8f48396002a9@mail.gmail.com> Hey everybody, if you get a minute check out this sweet new website: http://tinyurl.com/yzejqz . Take a few seconds to create a free account so you can see what it has to offer. I think it would be really useful for posting information and locations on upcoming meetings, past meetings, conventions, computer shows, etc. Anybody else have any thoughts? MK Linux Lover From dubose at texas.net Thu Nov 2 20:35:19 2006 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Thu Nov 2 20:35:30 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Making sure my vote counts In-Reply-To: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> References: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <454AAAE7.8030309@texas.net> I hate to dispute you on one area..."because its much harder to fake a paper ballot than it is an electronic one"...As one who was "around" and involved in the disputed 76 votes in Box 13, Jim Wells County in 1947, and in the paper voting issue until I left Jim Wells County in 1964, let me tell you that faking a paper ballot is so easy that a 4th grader can do it and no one will be the wiser. In either case, it takes full knowledge of 1) the election place judge and 2) county elections administrator. In and electronic ballot, it would take both of the above as well as the county judge's and probably the county attorney's knowledge as well as some outside computer "expert". But in the post WWII until 1976, Jim Wells, Duval, Jim Hogg, Camron Starr, Bexar and a host of other counties, fake ballots were common place. Even after the Texas Attorney General's special prosecutor, Mr. Rash, invested Box 13 in 1950 Democratic Run off Election for State Senator was over and guilty parties all over the state were prosecuted, you still had paper ballot irregulatories. IMHO, the "election system" is only as "truthful" as the individuals running it, counting and certifying the ballot count. Walt DuBose If you want to learn more about the "real" happenings at Box 13, we can meet for lunch sometime if you have 6-8 hours to spare. http://www.eiu.edu/~historia/1999/texas99.htm "Also quite bizarre was the fact that the final 203 names on the Jim Wells County's "Box 13" tally sheet were in a different color of ink and in a different handwriting than the previous thousand on the sheet. Strangely, they were also all in alphabetical order, like someone had just gone down the poll tax sheet and copied names down. Of the 203, "last-minute" voters at "Box 13," only 11 were located and questioned. All said they had not even voted!" Its interesting to note that all of the individuals were from Dr. Dunn's "rest home" near the Jim Well-Duval country line and all were registered in the Box 13 Precinct. Dr. Dunn had rented an bus from Alice to take his patients to Alice to vote...most were in the rest home because of their mental incapacity. I don't know if Dr. Dunn was a friend of George Parr...I never though to ask Mr. Parr. BTW, Mr. Parr knew me as "Little Cliff". My father was Cliff DuBose the Texas Press Association (TPA) Election Reporter for Jim Wells and Duval Counties from 1945-1950. He called in election results to the TPA. Today I think the group is known as the Texas News Network. "Interestingly, Johnson never admitted to any wrongdoing in the election, but in an interview with Ronnie Dugger in the early-1970s, Johnson shocked Dugger by showing him a picture of the Jim Wells County officials smiling and holding the Precinct 13 ballot box. When Dugger asked what it meant and how Johnson had received it, LBJ said nothing and grinned. A few years later, Dugger interviewed Luis Salas-a Parr man and the head official at Precinct 13 in 1948. Salas admitted the late returns were fraudulent. Then Dugger was shocked when Salas pulled out a photograph-the same photograph LBJ had shown him a few years earlier." Luis Salas was a really mean "pistolerio"...but he used to buy me ice cream cones (just a nickle) at Eagle Pharmacy (across the street from the Texas State Bank of Alice where George Parrand had an office and housed the Masonic Lodge) Botica Central just 3 doors down from the Alice News where my father worked and next to my grandfather's cleaning business. My father make me stop tkaing ice cream cones from Salas after the Box 13 incident. "...So by a margin of 87 (likely illegal) votes in the primary run-off, Lyndon Johnson's political career reached its next level. Students of history can only wonder: if Johnson had lost, would there have ever been full-scale American involvement in Vietnam through which 58,000 young Americans would die, or would the important legislative leaps of the 1960s ever have occurred? The year 1948 contains a moment that may very well have been the difference."... I believe more accurately it was 76 votes. On George B Parr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Parr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Parr On George B Parr On the Part GEorge Parr had in the death of Buddy Floyd. http://www.accd.edu/pac/history/rhines/StudentProjects/2002/Benavides/SmallTownResearchProject.htm "He gained power in both the political and economic sense. He relied on the help from other politics, as his father had done, to do ?favors? for him. By 1948 Parr was the president of the State Banks in both Alice and San Diego. Within that same year he also had a hand in putting London B. Johnson into the senate. He had an election fixed so that LBJ would be the victor over his opponent, Coke R. Stevenson." "Unfortunately, for George he also had enemies like his father who sought to rid Duval of Parr rule. In 1952, two Parr opposers and the son of another were murdered. Evidence was found against Parr that held him responsible for the brutal murder of Buddy Floyd. This marked the beginning of the end for Parr. His political enemies now swore to rid Duval of Parr. Over 600 indictments were brought against Parr and his political buddies, but Parr managed to escape any conviction." Other information on Box 13, George Parr and the murder of Buddy Floyd can be found in the Book, "Texas Mutiny...Bullets, Ballots and Boss Rule" by Sheila Allee, relative of Texas Ranger Captain A. Y. Allee who was one of the nemis of George Parr. ===================================================================================== R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > Does anybody know which, if any, of the precincts in texas are going > with electronic voting machines? (Personally, I think they're a bigger > threat to democracy than religious fundamentalists, but that's just me > with my "logical thinking" again ;)) > > When I voted last year (or year before last, can't remember) I > implicitly chose not to use the electronic machines in my parent's > precinct (San Patricio County) explaining to the two little old ladies > running the polling station that I wanted a paper trail of my vote > because its much harder to fake a paper ballot than it is an electronic > one, to which they replied "good point" and directed me to a table so I > could fill out my ballot. > > We're all tech-savvy folks around here, so I'm certain most, if not > all, of you understand the crucial flaws in electronic voting, so the > question is this, _if_ they only have electronic voting machines in the > precinct I vote in next week, is there any way to (force?) request a > paper ballot to ensure that my vote counts? > > > What can I say, I'm young and naive, and still think that my vote > really matters ;) > > > Cheers > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > From tyler at bleepsoft.com Thu Nov 2 20:59:33 2006 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Thu Nov 2 20:59:38 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Making sure my vote counts In-Reply-To: <454AAAE7.8030309@texas.net> References: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> <454AAAE7.8030309@texas.net> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Walt DuBose wrote: > I hate to dispute you on one area..."because its much harder to > fake a paper ballot than it is an electronic one"...As one who was > "around" and involved in the disputed 76 votes in Box 13, Jim Wells > County in 1947, and in the paper voting issue until I left Jim > Wells County in 1964, let me tell you that faking a paper ballot is > so easy that a 4th grader can do it and no one will be the wiser. A "misplaced" boolean expression in thousands of lines of embedded software running voting machines can corrupt millions of votes, one might even say, an entire state's electoral process. *cough* florida *cough* While I'm not doubting that voter fraud isn't easy, the political machines of the first guilded age of the early 20th, late 19th century are text book examples, I am saying that it is far easier to lose, corrupt, misplace or mis-tabulate millions of votes electronically, disenfranchising entire socio-economic subsets of the country _electronically_ than it is with paper ballots. To put it in a more clarifying light, I think referring to it as Vote DRM is a much better means of thinking about e-voting. Sure, I've got purchased videos from the iTunes Store, do I own them? Sort of, I own a black box, and Apple holds the key, and can remove my access, or change the terms at any time. With e-voting, companies like Diebold, who are notoriously bad at implementing _systems that work_, hold the keys to the black box that determines the majority of fate of this country. I have yet to hear an argument for e-voting that counteracts the blatant opportunities for abuse, and voter fraud. I'm not sure how, but I'm going to find a way to vote on paper :-P Cheers R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 21:01:33 2006 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (Twistepickles) Date: Thu Nov 2 21:00:58 2006 Subject: Music Fanboys! (Re: [SATLUG] RoadRunner Rubbish) Message-ID: <454ab0e5.478002bf.01e7.ffffae39@mx.google.com> Jungle = db? ::twistepickles :: : -------------------------------------------- message sent from mobile From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Nov 2 21:02:03 2006 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Nov 2 21:01:57 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Making sure my vote counts In-Reply-To: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> References: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <454AB12B.1020503@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > Does anybody know which, if any, of the precincts in texas are going > with electronic voting machines? (Personally, I think they're a bigger > threat to democracy than religious fundamentalists, but that's just me > with my "logical thinking" again ;)) > > When I voted last year (or year before last, can't remember) I > implicitly chose not to use the electronic machines in my parent's > precinct (San Patricio County) explaining to the two little old ladies > running the polling station that I wanted a paper trail of my vote > because its much harder to fake a paper ballot than it is an electronic > one, to which they replied "good point" and directed me to a table so I > could fill out my ballot. > > We're all tech-savvy folks around here, so I'm certain most, if not all, > of you understand the crucial flaws in electronic voting, so the > question is this, _if_ they only have electronic voting machines in the > precinct I vote in next week, is there any way to (force?) request a > paper ballot to ensure that my vote counts? > > > What can I say, I'm young and naive, and still think that my vote really > matters ;) > > So ask them if you can cryptographically sign your vote using gpg. Then when the results are published, verify your vote. So that you can ensure that your vote is accurate. - -- David Kowis ISO Team Lead - www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRUqxKsnf+vRw63ObAQpnIgv/YZVQKihg7riwL5GE3Pr1OfzX96KcYbQD w+t9ziwq/CZfzYKDhPthE4FXo9ojG58etVMHtg8kaUZQIEFaH4dClEDq2gI+BAeW rB6jd4bU0WeoT97/Iq5lmJFvHOOJoEohK3WPTdgwx80E6UPVEGY7Z27ecRx2Osao SsuHV2bOlT1O397o0KtEVDKRSkjrob9SDrvjq5hUv5RT1ouX33goc6GtOfdLkph9 LK9C5bkkxaV8AiHZGti+uQaUPelbHukc8Eco40BYU6xJ2e38AafMx/3YUT6KGzVs TInvYCV95tsGIrOBHYRChueUa/BtO2rogQjXjAgN2FglE0NJJTqLGAxWL7dmq/b8 rhotirlowOxY/teQIsvw0BBp0S7oP7QVbF9vJQc3W+c8fqSqoL41Ey5MkSWONVBZ eHduxAdsjnhTUh4H4ABJTcud+ClssBhajw1Xxx4I+swndniXFA18VBosWGHUY9sx xbsoWE98U+3tpBL04GZlHqjffPQr+zsn =Dcib -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From travis at nexus.subspacefield.org Thu Nov 2 21:27:54 2006 From: travis at nexus.subspacefield.org (Travis H.) Date: Thu Nov 2 21:27:56 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Making sure my vote counts In-Reply-To: <454AAAE7.8030309@texas.net> References: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> <454AAAE7.8030309@texas.net> Message-ID: <20061103032754.GA19781@nexus.subspacefield.org> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:35:19PM -0600, Walt DuBose wrote: > In either case, it takes full knowledge of 1) the election place judge and > 2) county elections administrator. In and electronic ballot, it would take > both of the above as well as the county judge's and probably the county > attorney's knowledge as well as some outside computer "expert". Nonsense. It would take one hacker or insider. The insider could plausibly play it off, if caught, as the work of a hacker. http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/evoting.ars It's very hard to distinguish incompetency from corruption. > But in the post WWII until 1976, Jim Wells, Duval, Jim Hogg, Camron Starr, Fascinating, I intend to read up on some of that stuff one day. Also don't forget Mayor Daley in Chicago! Immortalized in this joke: There was a plane crash over mid-ocean, and only three survivors were left in the life-raft: the Pope, the President, and Mayor Daley. Unfortunately, it was a one-man life-raft, and quickly sinking, so they started debating who should be allowed to stay. The Pope pointed out that he was the spiritual leader of millions all over the world, the President explained that if he died then America would be stuck with the Vice-President, and so forth. Then Mayor Daley said, "Look! We're not solving anything like this! The only fair thing to do is to vote on it." So they did, and Mayor Daley won by 97 votes. The real weakness in the voting system is the vote tallying process. The solution for most fraud and a bunch of other things is threeballot: http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/Rivest-TheThreeBallotVotingSystem.pdf That doesn't even need any crypto. It's a bit hard to understand the wording, but basically you vote for a person one more time than you normally would. That means 1 for a vote against, 2 for a candidate. You get to keep a _copy_ of exactly one ballot, which is called a receipt. And everyone can examine the voter lists and ballots. PS: In the wake of the hanging chad, Florida (whose governor was Jeb Bush, brother of the man who won) allegedly passed a law making a recount illegal. -- "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez -><- From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Nov 2 23:51:10 2006 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Thu Nov 2 23:52:01 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Making sure my vote counts In-Reply-To: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> References: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <454AD8CE.5030103@futuretechsolutions.com> If you vote in Bexar county, you will have to vote with the electronic voting machines. The only way to get a paper ballot, that will count, is if you qualify to vote early by mail, and we are way too late in the game for that. The only other ballots made from paper are the provisional ballots which you cannot get if you are a registered voter in the precinct that you vote in. Yes, the county elections department makes it clear that provisional ballots are not to be considered as traditional "paper ballots". If you vote in a different precinct, on the day of the general election, and use a provisional ballot, it WILL NOT BE COUNTED. It is only in very unusual circumstances that provisional ballots do get counted, ie... Both ((a and b) and (c or d)) of the following criteria must be met: a. You are in fact a registered voter in the precinct you are voting. b. Your name was NOT included in the list of registered voters that was received by the poll workers. c. The poll workers are unable to contact the county election department to determine your status. d. The county election department DOES NOT HAVE ANY information about you, but can later track down and verify that you sent your registration in before the deadline, basically you gave your voter registration card to a sworn voter registrar before the deadline, or possibly if you registered to vote when renewing your drivers license. (I've had several people at my poll site, that when they changed their address on their drivers license check the "register me to vote box", and the DPS never got that information to the county. Most of those were in-county moves, and I had to send them to their old precinct to vote, as that is where they were still registered, and a provisional ballot would not have been counted.) At this time, we all get to hope for the best. Personally, I think little thermal printers should be attached to all of the electronic voting machines, spitting out printed ballots with the voters selections to be dropped in a can by the voters, and a randon 2.5 to 5% of the precints should be manualy recounted. If there is ANY discrepancy between the sample re-count, and the machine totals, a full manual re-count of the entire county performed. If we get the right person in office, maybe he/she will push for legislation like that Here in Bexar county, we use the iVotronics electronic voting machines. I'm not quite sure who makes them. I am an election judge here in Bexar county and will be the presiding judge for precincts 2066 and 2099 on Tuesday. If any of you live in my precinct and haven't voted yet, stop by, say "Hi" and vote. Who knows, I may even bring snacks. Everyone else who hasn't voted yet, get out to your own precincts to vote on Tuesday, or do the early voting thing Friday. If any of you, who are registered voters in Bexar county, want to experience what it's like to be a poll worker, let me know, I'm still trying to fill a couple of clerk positions. The hours suck, 6:00AM to 7:30~8:00 PM. The pay is not great, $8.25/hour, (at least the county doesn't pull taxes from that, or they haven't so far with any elections I've served). But, it is a fun day, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. Charles R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > Does anybody know which, if any, of the precincts in texas are going > with electronic voting machines? (Personally, I think they're a bigger > threat to democracy than religious fundamentalists, but that's just me > with my "logical thinking" again ;)) > > When I voted last year (or year before last, can't remember) I > implicitly chose not to use the electronic machines in my parent's > precinct (San Patricio County) explaining to the two little old ladies > running the polling station that I wanted a paper trail of my vote > because its much harder to fake a paper ballot than it is an electronic > one, to which they replied "good point" and directed me to a table so I > could fill out my ballot. > > We're all tech-savvy folks around here, so I'm certain most, if not > all, of you understand the crucial flaws in electronic voting, so the > question is this, _if_ they only have electronic voting machines in the > precinct I vote in next week, is there any way to (force?) request a > paper ballot to ensure that my vote counts? > > > What can I say, I'm young and naive, and still think that my vote > really matters ;) > > > Cheers > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com > > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Nov 3 00:05:33 2006 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan) Date: Fri Nov 3 00:06:23 2006 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Making sure my vote counts In-Reply-To: References: <73D82A9B-EF14-4913-8227-E3230B88E968@bleepsoft.com> <454AAAE7.8030309@texas.net> Message-ID: <454ADC2D.4060707@futuretechsolutions.com> Hmmm - I would think that the easiest way to disenfranchise an entire precinct would be to "loose" the box containing the precincts uncounted paper ballots before they made it to the counting machines. Be the loss through theft, fire, accident during transport, or just plain negligence. With the electronic machines that we use here in Bexar county, when the polls close, a report is printed up that has the vote totals for that precinct, one copy goes to the elections department, and the election judge also keeps a copy. This does not certify the accuracy of the counts, but it does guarantee multiple hard copies of the counts geographically seperated once the judge has turned in the electronic ballots. There would have to be thugs stalking election workers at the time the polls close for the electronic and both hard copies of the precincts counts to be lost that way, or the judge gets into a very bad auto accident on the way to the collection site. Charles R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Walt DuBose wrote: > >> I hate to dispute you on one area..."because its much harder to fake >> a paper ballot than it is an electronic one"...As one who was >> "around" and involved in the disputed 76 votes in Box 13, Jim Wells >> County in 1947, and in the paper voting issue until I left Jim Wells >> County in 1964, let me tell you that faking a paper ballot is so easy >> that a 4th grader can do it and no one will be the wiser. > > > A "misplaced" boolean expression in thousands of lines of embedded > software running voting machines can corrupt millions of votes, one > might even say, an entire state's electoral process. *cough* florida > *cough* > > While I'm not doubting that voter fraud isn't easy, the political > machines of the first guilded age of the early 20th, late 19th century > are text book examples, I am saying that it is far easier to lose, > corrupt, misplace or mis-tabulate millions of votes electronically, > disenfranchising entire socio-economic subsets of the country > _electronically_ than it is with paper ballots. > > To put it in a more clarifying light, I think referring to it as Vote > DRM is a much better means of thinking about e-voting. Sure, I've got > purchased videos from the iTunes Store, do I own them? Sort of, I own a > black box, and Apple holds the key, and can remove my access, or change > the terms at any time. With e-voting, companies like Diebold, who are > notoriously bad at implementing _systems that work_, hold the keys to > the black box that determines the majority of fate of this country. > > I have yet to hear an argument for e-voting that counteracts the > blatant opportunities for abuse, and voter fraud. > > I'm not sure how, but I'm going to find a way to vote on paper :-P > > Cheers > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Deve