[SATLUG] Re: [Webmopac Austin] Web Position(s) Available in SanAntonio

[Hector Bojorquez]

hmmm....
After my own wranglings with PHP... I have to disagree (although I
understand the Plone-Jihadist's views).

The real problem with PHP is not so much the language itself but the lack of
understanding behind web server security...
It's not a case of simply shutting down ports and services--most explloits
are more sophisticated than that.
Also there are coding issues--it is true that foolish coding can cause
problems (the problems I've encountered have been with one set of developers
not being terribly aware of what other developers are doing...long story).

I'm sure that plone is all that and a bag of chips....

But why php over plone?  I'm not sure it's fruitful to bash ...
PHP is extremely versatile in solving problems that REAL customers need
quick solutions to i.e. creating quick dynamic graphics, scripting .swfs,
interfacing with different databases, etc... furthermore the availability of
tons of open source software for php makes it extremely attractive to
developers who need to create (not just pontificate).

I know that someone will say that I'm sounding the way MS nay-sayers used to
sound about  Linux.. well.. maybe... but there were cases where they were
correct--namely in Office products.  Linux simply rules in the web and
server department.. but Open Office (sorry kids... this may hurt)  was never
good enough for the real world.  I've worked with many offices that  HAVE to
depend on the
features that the Office suite provides....and everytime that I tried to
pilot Open Office, it was an unmitigated disaster.  And for those folks I
know that DID manage to do an enterprise roll out of Open Office...they were
back on the MS teat very quickly...

Sorry but Plone just hasn't won out yet....maybe it will in the future.  But
right now, it's just not the case.



On 11/7/06, Justizin <justizin at siggraph.org> wrote:

> On 11/6/06, Tom Weeks <tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org> wrote:
> > On Monday 06 November 2006 18:56, John Champion wrote:
> > > You know...I'd love to apply for one of these gigs but I'm so worried
> about
> > > security, and I even sometimes question my own abilities.
> > >
> > > Has anyone worked, even as a temp, for these folks before? Has anyone
> heard
> > > anything good/bad/neutral about them? I remember when they moved here
> and
> > > folks were climbing over themselves to hop onboard.
> >
> > NewTek Rocks!
> >
> > They've been around for 20 years.  The last 10-ish here in San
> Antonio.  They
> > invented desktop video back in 1985 and have been on the cutting edge of
> > desktop video and rendering technology every since.  If you've never
> checked
> > out NewTek... you should go by for a tour.  The place is really a lot of
> fun
> > and very energetic.
>
> In all fairness, the mythos in the graphics community right now is
> that the most brilliant mind behind Lightwave left to create Luxology,
> which is the bleeding edge of modeling.  Modo is designed to fit into
> the pipeline next to Maya, which is the most prevalent tool today in
> commercial production of 3d animation and Visual FX.
>
> That said, NewTek is often the call sign of independent artists, and
> they always have something impressive to show.  LW8 looks neat, and it
> is doing some great rendering, for a modeling tool, but I haven't seen
> anything in the SIGGRAPH Papers program from NewTek recently at all,
> whereas Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, Pixar, and, of course, ILM I can all
> rely on to be involved in annual research publications.
>
> I believe the fluid dynamics from Poseidon, for instance, may actually
> have been done in kahootz with some hurricane scientists from
> Louisiana.
>
> > The last time that I was there.. they were just starting to ramp up
> production
> > on their customer portal and other internal communication tools (and I
> think
> > they use php a lot).  Looks like a fun gig.
>
> PHP? ick.  I wonder why it is that commercial organizations are
> quicker to jump on bad technology, and non-profits are in love with
> Plone.  Maybe accountability is good, and paying customers should be
> given the same respect wrt how their funds are spent as people paying
> membership dues or giving donations.
>
> > I have some contacts over there if you want to casually chat with one of
> them.
> > Let me know if interested.
>
> Similarly, I'd be glad to help explain to them why using PHP is bad
> for their organizational success.
>
> After discussing the lack of built-in authentication and security in
> rails today with another Plone Developer, I came up with a
> demotivational poster idea:
>
> An engineer hangs from the golden gate bridge, staring perplexedly
> at some big springs.  Underneath, it says: "fluff, who needs it?"
>
> Every PHP developer should have this poster.
>
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