[SATLUG] [Even More OT] Speechless

Fri Nov 10 16:21:10 CST 2006

I didn't think my post was gonna receive any responses..
Being a stinkin', bleeding heart liberal, I know where you're coming from...
and I don't agree with 99% of what you said because it does not stand to
logic or reason. But I respect your beliefs...

However...by numbers alone-- it is a fact that evangelicals re-elected Bush
in '04.  The race was in a dead heat...and the fundies got their base out.

And sorry to disagree with you... it is about morality... maybe not in the
most religious sense... but about simple truth vs non-truth.  And the
non-truths aka lies about Iraq, has been getting our soldiers and
innocent Iraqis  killed.

We are moral beings...and I believe that we MUST expect moral actions from
our government.

 And as a pinko-stinky-liberal, I refuse to expect any different.

And I take issue with this...

 "Suffice it to say that while their commitment to serve is admirable, their
willingness to commit and
condone murder against the people of a foreign land in an unprovoked,
unjustified war is not."

While I applaud your sense of moral outrage and seeming call for personal
accountability, our soldiers are good  and decent men and women who don't
deserve to have their honor questioned.  It is your, mine and every
American's honor that should be questioned.  Why did we not do more to stop
this madness?  Why did we fall for it?  Why did we not call for resignations
earlier?
We owe it to the men and women who serve this country to make our leaders
accountable.
It is their ass that should be on the line not the children who we send to
fight stupid wars.

On 11/10/06, pixelnate <pixelnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hector Bojorquez wrote:
> > We turned a moral corner when we re-elected George Bush.
> > Or should I say.. the Christian evangelicals who were mostly
> > responsible for
> > re-electing him...
> >
> That is a gross oversimplification of the situation. I know plenty of
> pseudo Christians and agnostics that have long since sworn allegiance to
> the Republican Party regardless of its stated, or less known subversive,
> goals.
> > They traded accountability for a failed war (It was a failure when no
> > WMDs
> > were found and we held NO ONE accountable.  I'm sure
> > Collin Powell has trouble sleeping over the fact that no less than TWO
> > weeks
> > before he went before the U.N. he publicly stated that he thought any
> > aggression against Iraq was unecessary..look it up peeps... He was a
> > traitor
> > to his own doctrine.)
> >
> > Yup.. it's been one long decline into moral decay.
> Morality has absolutely nothing to do with politics. The actions of the
> people in this country affect the collective morality more than any
> single election could do. The people have the they deserve. No matter
> the warnings to the contrary, the people of this country continue to put
> into office the most vile, most traitorous, most despicable kind of scum
> this country has ever known. Ignorance, stupidity, arrogance are the
> names that the brainless masses should be known by. They demand nothing
> from their elected representatives, and they are receiving it in spades.
> >
> > No bid Halliburton....hah! who cares? Cheney's involvement..
> HAH....while
> > the appearance of inpropriety is not proof of anything-- ..well..
> > Ceasar's
> > wife must be beyond reproach.  But who cares? The country didn't seem to
> > mind that we invaded and NOTHING was there.. Who cares?
> >
> Again, the elected officials are not called to task for their lies to
> the American people. They only commit those crimes that they are allowed
> to get away with. We don't hold them accountable for their lies so they
> are not bound to tell us the truth.
> > There was no fear of God, of retribution.... just look with what
> > incredible
> > arrogance Tom Delay continues to court the evangelicals (He was on the
> > PTL
> > club yesterday...getting his props from Robertson...How incredibly
> > disturbing is that?  Specially since he truly believes and states that
> he
> > has done nothing wrong... He has repented not ONE iota.
> >
> Why would they fear God, they are not Christians? They are all masons
> and gnostics and luciferians who believe that with enough power they too
> can become gods. Many are the darkest kind of creatures that resemble
> righteous men in only the fact that they stand upright. You wouldn't
> believe half of the deeds that, with judicious research, one could
> discover to have been attributed to those at the highest levels of
> government. Two Google search topics that scratch the surface of their
> depravity: the 'Franklin Coverup' and the 'Dyncorp child smuggling ring'.
> > So now we pay...
> > The Dems will have to pull rabbits out of a hat.. make
> > miracles....just to
> > make us actually safe...truly safe....and how that is done well.. will
> > HAVE
> > to do something about taxes (How else will we pay for the massive debt
> we
> > have incurred?  How else will we actually make the Homeland safe (ports,
> > power stations, power grids...all need protection)?
> >
> The tax system represents another instance of the fleecing of the people
> of this country by their traitorous elected officials. The 16th
> amendment was never meant to impose a tax on the wages of the American
> people. There is no law on the books that was ever ratified that
> requires the American people to pay taxes on their wages to the IRS.
> Income tax was intended to only be paid by corporations on their income.
> Two great documentaries about the monetary and tax systems are:
>
> *Money Masters*
> *Regarding the origin of money and the banking system:*
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1339460790371560078&q=money+masters
> /If that link doesn't work, try this one:/
> http://tinyurl.com/ydy5vd*
>
> *America: Freedom to Fascism*
> Regarding the tax system:*
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedom+to+fascism+authorized
>
> /If that link doesn't work, try this one:/
> http://tinyurl.com/yhxfuy
> > So now we pay... and of course... will we learn that when someone
> > sells us a
> > bill of goods like the Republicans did all the way back with Newt's
> > awe-inspiring hypocritical,  stupefying, asinine "contract with
> > America", we
> > should simply walk away.  Hopefully.
> Look up "Security and Prosperity Partnership" or "Project for a New
> American Century" for a more detailed explanation of the plans they
> intend to impose up on the people of this country.
> > The Dems aren't saints...not by a long shot... but Newt's revolution was
> > based on a stupid, illogical principles-- have you read anything he's
> > done
> > lately?  He's gone over the edge.... He knows that the only way to
> > shore up
> > more evangelical support is to sell an apocalyptic vision...and now he's
> > selling WWIII to supposed Christians frothing at the mouth to see their
> > lord...even if it means that 2/3 of the world will die (at least
> > that's how
> > THEY read Revelation).
> >
> Again, they are *not* Chirstians. Newt's vision that you are referring
> to is that of those who believe in 'Dominion Theology'. Dominionists are
> obsessed with creating the atmosphere to bring about the Final
> Judgement. They believe that if they create the right circumstances,
> they can summon God to pour out his wrath upon the land. This is *not* a
> Christian belief. And for more on Pat Robertson, look up his diamond
> mining operations in Africa.
> > Yup kiddos... It ain't over.. the real fight to regain morality in
> > America
> > has just begun...God help us all
> >
> Again, morality has nothing to do with it. This is not a moral nation.
> There are no moral nations. In fact, there are very few moral people. We
> are swimming in a sea of inequity, of the most vile detritus. Expected
> moral behavior from a politician is pointless. The people of this
> country are being led to the slaughter by amoral, traitorous heathens
> who care about nothing but amassing more wealth and acquiring more power
> over those whom they rule. They will be accused of no honorable act
> until we the people impress upon them the truth of the situation, that
> _they work for us_ , and we will hold them accountable for any action
> not in concert with the covenant they entered into when they swore an
> oath to uphold and defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and
> domestic. It is the same oath that those who join the military swear to.
> They also have a similar obligation to the American people, but that is
> a discussion for a later date. Suffice it to say that while their
> commitment to serve is admirable, their willingness to commit and
> condone murder against the people of a foreign land in an unprovoked,
> unjustified war is not.
>
> Over and out,
> Nate
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