From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 08:35:54 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 08:36:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu and removing not fully installed packages In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0707312028s66117d94oc9215f6a3d9b6d4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707311121w51acf85ana62b84f91210287c@mail.gmail.com> <72599b135dc07b577bf1a153949dd130@rugmonster.org> <8ee65edd0707311315x21348cf9la168d6c555db74b1@mail.gmail.com> <1185921352.21095.1.camel@tomslaptop> <8ee65edd0707312028s66117d94oc9215f6a3d9b6d4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6200.143.166.226.40.1185975354.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Thomas, > > We had tried that trick with /etc/init.d/mailscanner, to no avail. I > added the exit 0 to all the pre/post install/remove scripts in > /var/lib/dpkg/info and while it still gave some errors, I think it > fixed part of itself too. I was able to get rid of the files there, > and finally do the reinstall and purge. Everything is working again. > > Daniel, > > Thank you for all the time and effort that you put in to help fix this > issue. This list is always great for people taking the extra effort > to step in and lend a hand, and you're another example of why I love > this list. > > Thanks to all! > > Ed > -- Congrats! From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 09:36:07 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 09:36:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! Message-ID: <40090.143.166.255.40.1185978967.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Let's go back to the fstab. What are the uses for the following options in the /etc/fstab file? 1. auto 2. noatime 3. user From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Aug 1 10:06:12 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:06:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] flatbed scanner Message-ID: <200708011006.12073.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> can someone recommend a good flatbed scanner for linux? I am currently running Ubuntu 7.04 so something with native support and not a lot of headaches would be nice. thanks Todd From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 10:11:02 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:11:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] flatbed scanner In-Reply-To: <200708011006.12073.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> References: <200708011006.12073.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <27410.143.166.226.42.1185981062.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > can someone recommend a good flatbed scanner for linux? I am currently > running Ubuntu 7.04 so something with native support and not a lot of > headaches would be nice. > > thanks > Todd This doesn't list just flatbed scanners, but this is a good place to start. http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html Tom From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Aug 1 10:20:37 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:20:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! In-Reply-To: <40090.143.166.255.40.1185978967.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <40090.143.166.255.40.1185978967.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <35636645bf4a3ff49a50b582a9c7664a@rugmonster.org> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:36:07 -0500 (CDT), Thomas King wrote: > Let's go back to the fstab. > > What are the uses for the following options in the /etc/fstab file? > 1. auto Determine the filesystem type automagically > 2. noatime No access time. Turning this off can boost performance at the loss of accountability. > 3. user Allows regular users to mount the filesystem. Normally, only root can mount a filesystem. From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Aug 1 10:22:50 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:23:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] flatbed scanner In-Reply-To: <200708011006.12073.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> References: <200708011006.12073.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <7975c4aa587b375e1702f8212e07a5d4@rugmonster.org> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:06:12 -0500, toddwbucy wrote: > can someone recommend a good flatbed scanner for linux? I am currently > running Ubuntu 7.04 so something with native support and not a lot of > headaches would be nice. I have an HP Photosmart C-5180 All-in-one and it works like a champ for scanning and printing in Ubuntu. Not only does it work via USB, it will scan and print across the network. It does the job for me. From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 10:26:45 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:27:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! In-Reply-To: <35636645bf4a3ff49a50b582a9c7664a@rugmonster.org> References: <40090.143.166.255.40.1185978967.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <35636645bf4a3ff49a50b582a9c7664a@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <61606.143.166.226.40.1185982005.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:36:07 -0500 (CDT), Thomas King > wrote: >> Let's go back to the fstab. >> >> What are the uses for the following options in the /etc/fstab file? >> 1. auto > > Determine the filesystem type automagically > >> 2. noatime > > No access time. Turning this off can boost performance at the loss of > accountability. > >> 3. user > > Allows regular users to mount the filesystem. Normally, only root can mount > a filesystem. #2 and #3 are good, but I believe #1 is incorrect. From tweeks at rackspace.com Wed Aug 1 10:35:33 2007 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:35:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL Hot Backup API is now in Alpha Testing... Message-ID: <200708011035.34255.tweeks@rackspace.com> Last year in a two piece article I wrote for SysAdmin Magazine, I touched on the future evolution of the MySQL Backup API: Production MySQL Backups in the Enterprise: Part I http://theweeks.org/resume/files/SysAdmin-MySQL-art-mayCover.jpg http://theweeks.org/resume/files/SysAdmin-MySQL-art-may-article.pdf Production MySQL Backups in the Enterprise: Part II http://theweeks.org/resume/files/SysAdmin-MySQL-art-juneCover.jpg http://theweeks.org/resume/files/SysAdmin-MySQL-art-june-article.pdf For those who use MySQL in production systems.. it looks like the MySQL Backup API is now being released in the alpha 5.2 code. Moving forward, this API will eventually work for ALL TABLE TYPES and could really help move MySQL up in the world of fast, production grade databases. More info here: http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/OnlineBackup ftp://ftp.mysql.com/pub/mysql/download/mysql-5.2.4-alpha/ Tweeks Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace Managed Hosting. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at abuse@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. From davidcrockett at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 10:44:50 2007 From: davidcrockett at yahoo.com (Henry Crockett) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:45:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! Message-ID: <781985.65216.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Of course everyone know that fstab stands for "front stab" and opposed to the more common bstab (back stab). 1. auto - implies the CPU will be attacking from the front using an artificial intellegent character, usually based on some D&D like subprocess. This includes subroutines such as slash (/) and backslash(\) or a multiple attack /etc/fstab -OJ. There is an extra option in OS X called iStab which for some reason only works twice. 2. noatime - is the name of an ebayer who sells cutlery which can be used as an option in fstab. See a listing here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=230146644861 (notice the name of the seller). 3. user - this is the default object of fstab (and bstab). Other possibilities include -coworker -boss -postman and -ex (which can include suboptions). Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Assistant Professor Computer Information Systems, School of Business Tarleton State University, Stephenville, TX 76401 Voice: 210-639-5495 Fax:cs http://www.davidcrockett.net "Four-fifths of American millionaires have made their money themselves, as opposed to merely inheriting it." - In Defense of Global Capitalism, Johan Norberg. ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas King To: SATLUG San Antonio Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 9:36:07 AM Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! Let's go back to the fstab. What are the uses for the following options in the /etc/fstab file? 1. auto 2. noatime 3. user -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From masterr at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 10:56:31 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:56:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dirty Microbe (T-Shirt Store) Scam Message-ID: <14842c410708010856u15049e4cwf3dbb0529ca072b3@mail.gmail.com> Thought I would give you guys the heads up on a problem with Dirty Microbe. I ordered a shirt from them almost a month ago and have yet to receive it. This morning I did some investigating and it seems that others have been having the problem as well. According to blog posts and other articles they haven't been sending shirts in over 2 months and are not responding to emails. Their phone numbers have also been disconnected. I thought I would let y'all know since they sell Unix related T-Shirts and it is possible that some SATLUG'rs may have bought or are thinking about buying shirts from them. Here are a few links to articles and blogposts about the situation: http://tshirtisland.blogspot.com/2007/07/dirty-microbe-needs-to-get-it-clean.html http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Scam_warning_Dirty_Microbe_customers_are_not_receiving_their_products (Digg users please digg this up) http://icrontic.com/forum/showthread.php?p=546227 http://www.shirtsnob.com/archives/012411.php http://jonhull.net/blog/comments.php?y=07&m=08&entry=entry070801-095301 (my blog) -Jon From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 11:06:12 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:06:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! In-Reply-To: <781985.65216.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <781985.65216.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <28306.143.166.226.40.1185984372.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Of course everyone know that fstab stands for "front stab" and opposed to the > more common bstab (back stab). > > 1. auto - implies the CPU will be attacking from the front using an artificial > intellegent character, usually based on some D&D like subprocess. This includes > subroutines such as slash (/) and backslash(\) or a multiple attack /etc/fstab > -OJ. There is an extra option in OS X called iStab which for some reason only > works twice. > > 2. noatime - is the name of an ebayer who sells cutlery which can be used as an > option in fstab. See a listing here: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=230146644861 > (notice the name of the seller). > > 3. user - this is the default object of fstab (and bstab). Other possibilities > include -coworker -boss -postman and -ex (which can include suboptions). > > Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Assistant Professor > Computer Information Systems, School of Business > Tarleton State University, Stephenville, TX 76401 > Voice: 210-639-5495 Fax:cs > http://www.davidcrockett.net > "Four-fifths of American millionaires have made their money themselves, as > opposed to merely inheriting it." - In Defense of Global Capitalism, Johan > Norberg. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Thomas King > To: SATLUG San Antonio > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 9:36:07 AM > Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! > > > Let's go back to the fstab. > > What are the uses for the following options in the /etc/fstab file? > 1. auto > 2. noatime > 3. user > -- ba-dum tish! From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 11:09:34 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:10:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dirty Microbe (T-Shirt Store) Scam In-Reply-To: <14842c410708010856u15049e4cwf3dbb0529ca072b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410708010856u15049e4cwf3dbb0529ca072b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49046.143.166.226.40.1185984574.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Thought I would give you guys the heads up on a problem with Dirty > Microbe. I ordered a shirt from them almost a month ago and have yet > to receive it. This morning I did some investigating and it seems that > others have been having the problem as well. According to blog posts > and other articles they haven't been sending shirts in over 2 months > and are not responding to emails. Their phone numbers have also been > disconnected. > > I thought I would let y'all know since they sell Unix related T-Shirts > and it is possible that some SATLUG'rs may have bought or are thinking > about buying shirts from them. > > Here are a few links to articles and blogposts about the situation: > http://tshirtisland.blogspot.com/2007/07/dirty-microbe-needs-to-get-it-clean.html > http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Scam_warning_Dirty_Microbe_customers_are_not_receiving_their_products > (Digg users please digg this up) > http://icrontic.com/forum/showthread.php?p=546227 > http://www.shirtsnob.com/archives/012411.php > http://jonhull.net/blog/comments.php?y=07&m=08&entry=entry070801-095301 > (my blog) > > -Jon > -- I just recently tried to purchase about two weeks ago a denim Tux shirt from The Company Store (URL is in Yahoo, I'll share that when I get home), and I have yet to receive it. I did email someone there and got a response Friday that he'd look into it. Is this the same crew? From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Aug 1 11:12:26 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:12:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! In-Reply-To: <61606.143.166.226.40.1185982005.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <61606.143.166.226.40.1185982005.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:26:45 -0500 (CDT), Thomas King wrote: >> >> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:36:07 -0500 (CDT), Thomas King >> wrote: >>> Let's go back to the fstab. >>> >>> What are the uses for the following options in the /etc/fstab file? >>> 1. auto >> >> Determine the filesystem type automagically >> >>> 2. noatime >> >> No access time. Turning this off can boost performance at the loss of >> accountability. >> >>> 3. user >> >> Allows regular users to mount the filesystem. Normally, only root can > mount >> a filesystem. > > #2 and #3 are good, but I believe #1 is incorrect. Well, it depends on the context. I didn't realize you meant options as in -o options. Auto in that context means it will be mounted when you run mount -a. From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 11:13:50 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:14:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! In-Reply-To: References: <61606.143.166.226.40.1185982005.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <40144.143.166.255.40.1185984830.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:26:45 -0500 (CDT), Thomas King > wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:36:07 -0500 (CDT), Thomas King >>> wrote: >>>> Let's go back to the fstab. >>>> >>>> What are the uses for the following options in the /etc/fstab file? >>>> 1. auto >>> >>> Determine the filesystem type automagically >>> >>>> 2. noatime >>> >>> No access time. Turning this off can boost performance at the loss of >>> accountability. >>> >>>> 3. user >>> >>> Allows regular users to mount the filesystem. Normally, only root can >> mount >>> a filesystem. >> >> #2 and #3 are good, but I believe #1 is incorrect. > > Well, it depends on the context. I didn't realize you meant options as in > -o options. Auto in that context means it will be mounted when you run > mount -a. > > -- That's it! Part 2: What options are meant by using 'defaults' in the options column in the fstab file? From masterr at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 11:14:11 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:14:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dirty Microbe (T-Shirt Store) Scam In-Reply-To: <49046.143.166.226.40.1185984574.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <14842c410708010856u15049e4cwf3dbb0529ca072b3@mail.gmail.com> <49046.143.166.226.40.1185984574.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <14842c410708010914y5d0ee01ar1dbcc6b454b5449a@mail.gmail.com> On 8/1/07, Thomas King wrote: > > Thought I would give you guys the heads up on a problem with Dirty > > Microbe. I ordered a shirt from them almost a month ago and have yet > > to receive it. This morning I did some investigating and it seems that > > others have been having the problem as well. According to blog posts > > and other articles they haven't been sending shirts in over 2 months > > and are not responding to emails. Their phone numbers have also been > > disconnected. > > > > I thought I would let y'all know since they sell Unix related T-Shirts > > and it is possible that some SATLUG'rs may have bought or are thinking > > about buying shirts from them. > > > > Here are a few links to articles and blogposts about the situation: > > http://tshirtisland.blogspot.com/2007/07/dirty-microbe-needs-to-get-it-clean.html > > http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Scam_warning_Dirty_Microbe_customers_are_not_receiving_their_products > > (Digg users please digg this up) > > http://icrontic.com/forum/showthread.php?p=546227 > > http://www.shirtsnob.com/archives/012411.php > > http://jonhull.net/blog/comments.php?y=07&m=08&entry=entry070801-095301 > > (my blog) > > > > -Jon > > -- > > I just recently tried to purchase about two weeks ago a denim Tux shirt from The > Company Store (URL is in Yahoo, I'll share that when I get home), and I have yet > to receive it. I did email someone there and got a response Friday that he'd > look into it. Is this the same crew? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Is it http://www.thecompanystore.com/ ? I'm thinking thats a different company. Sorry to hear problems with them, too. -Jon From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 11:16:02 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:16:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dirty Microbe (T-Shirt Store) Scam In-Reply-To: <14842c410708010914y5d0ee01ar1dbcc6b454b5449a@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410708010856u15049e4cwf3dbb0529ca072b3@mail.gmail.com> <49046.143.166.226.40.1185984574.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <14842c410708010914y5d0ee01ar1dbcc6b454b5449a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51644.143.166.255.40.1185984962.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Is it http://www.thecompanystore.com/ ? > I'm thinking thats a different company. Sorry to hear problems with them, too. > > -Jon > -- I believe that's the one. We'll see how it turns out before I say one way or the other. From aaron at aaronhackney.com Wed Aug 1 11:30:33 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:30:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux Message-ID: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> I am posting this for a friend in Education backup in Illinois. They are looking for a solution to rip a DVD to a format for a Nokia n800. I'll forward any suggestions to him. TIA -Aaron ------snip------ Does anyone know the procedure for ripping DVDs and encoding them to play on the nokia n800 (using linux)? -----snip------- From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 11:53:32 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:54:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > I am posting this for a friend in Education backup in Illinois. They are looking > for a solution to rip a DVD to a format for a Nokia n800. > > I'll forward any suggestions to him. > TIA > -Aaron > > ------snip------ > Does anyone know the procedure for ripping DVDs and encoding them to play on > the nokia n800 (using linux)? > -----snip------- > > -- Is there a particular format they are looking for? "It supports a number of music and video formats, including AAC, MP3, WAV, AMR, RealAudio, AVI, 3GP, MPEG-4, and others." It seems as simple as ripping a DVD to one of those formats using a normal application into one of the video formats. Once the file is made, upload it to the Nokia via USB or whatever connection it uses. Is there some detail we're missing? From aaron at aaronhackney.com Wed Aug 1 12:02:13 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Wed Aug 1 12:02:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> Thomas King wrote: >> I am posting this for a friend in Education backup in Illinois. They are looking >> for a solution to rip a DVD to a format for a Nokia n800. >> >> I'll forward any suggestions to him. >> TIA >> -Aaron >> >> ------snip------ >> Does anyone know the procedure for ripping DVDs and encoding them to play on >> the nokia n800 (using linux)? >> -----snip------- >> >> -- >> > > Is there a particular format they are looking for? "It supports a number of > music and video formats, including AAC, MP3, WAV, AMR, RealAudio, AVI, 3GP, > MPEG-4, and others." > > It seems as simple as ripping a DVD to one of those formats using a normal > application into one of the video formats. Once the file is made, upload it to > the Nokia via USB or whatever connection it uses. Is there some detail we're > missing? > Yes, he was pretty vague. I guess if someone could just suggest a good ripper that would maybe rip down to mp4 would be my guess. Needs to be linux based. Thanks -A From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed Aug 1 12:41:25 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed Aug 1 12:41:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <31418.143.166.255.40.1185990085.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Thomas King wrote: >>> I am posting this for a friend in Education backup in Illinois. They are >>> looking >>> for a solution to rip a DVD to a format for a Nokia n800. >>> >>> I'll forward any suggestions to him. >>> TIA >>> -Aaron >>> >>> ------snip------ >>> Does anyone know the procedure for ripping DVDs and encoding them to play on >>> the nokia n800 (using linux)? >>> -----snip------- >>> >>> -- >>> >> >> Is there a particular format they are looking for? "It supports a number of >> music and video formats, including AAC, MP3, WAV, AMR, RealAudio, AVI, 3GP, >> MPEG-4, and others." >> >> It seems as simple as ripping a DVD to one of those formats using a normal >> application into one of the video formats. Once the file is made, upload it to >> the Nokia via USB or whatever connection it uses. Is there some detail we're >> missing? >> > Yes, he was pretty vague. I guess if someone could just suggest a good > ripper that would maybe rip down to mp4 would be my guess. Needs to be > linux based. > Thanks > -A On the command line, I believe transcode is one. For a GUI, dvd::rip is a perl-based app (http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/). There are quite a few of them, actually. There is one application that is loosely cloned from a Windows DVD ripper and library manager, but the name escapes me right now. I saw it while perusing through Automatix on my last Ubuntu install. If the DVD is encrypted, they'd need libdvdcss, something they'll need to think about installing since it is not "legal". :( Other folks will have more suggestions, I hope. From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:51:20 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Aug 1 12:51:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] flatbed scanner In-Reply-To: <7975c4aa587b375e1702f8212e07a5d4@rugmonster.org> References: <200708011006.12073.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> <7975c4aa587b375e1702f8212e07a5d4@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0708011051t1513976by69f9c3a70a43f079@mail.gmail.com> On 8/1/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:06:12 -0500, toddwbucy > wrote: > > can someone recommend a good flatbed scanner for linux? I am currently > > running Ubuntu 7.04 so something with native support and not a lot of > > headaches would be nice. > > I have an HP Photosmart C-5180 All-in-one and it works like a champ for > scanning and printing in Ubuntu. Not only does it work via USB, it will > scan and print across the network. It does the job for me. I'll second that, although mine is the HP Photosmart 2575. It sits on my network, and one of the best things is that CUPS detected it automatically. I asked to add a printer, it told me that it had already found the 2575, and asked if I wanted to add it. Just a bit of trivia, if you have it on the network, you'll need to run /usr/bin/hp-makeuri (ubuntu 7.04 Feisty). It will then print out some info, and the line for SANE will be what you have to put after xsane to have it access it over the net. As an example, my commandline for xsane is: /usr/bin/xsane hpaio:/net/Photosmart_2570_series?ip=192.168.1.12 I've modified the properties of my xsane button in the menu with this, and now when I press it, it goes out and finds the scanner. Ed From aaron at aaronhackney.com Wed Aug 1 14:07:21 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Wed Aug 1 14:07:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <31418.143.166.255.40.1185990085.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> <31418.143.166.255.40.1185990085.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <46B0D9E9.3000203@aaronhackney.com> Thomas King wrote: >> Thomas King wrote: >> >>>> I am posting this for a friend in Education backup in Illinois. They are >>>> looking >>>> for a solution to rip a DVD to a format for a Nokia n800. >>>> >>>> I'll forward any suggestions to him. >>>> TIA >>>> -Aaron >>>> >>>> ------snip------ >>>> Does anyone know the procedure for ripping DVDs and encoding them to play on >>>> the nokia n800 (using linux)? >>>> -----snip------- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>> Is there a particular format they are looking for? "It supports a number of >>> music and video formats, including AAC, MP3, WAV, AMR, RealAudio, AVI, 3GP, >>> MPEG-4, and others." >>> >>> It seems as simple as ripping a DVD to one of those formats using a normal >>> application into one of the video formats. Once the file is made, upload it to >>> the Nokia via USB or whatever connection it uses. Is there some detail we're >>> missing? >>> >>> >> Yes, he was pretty vague. I guess if someone could just suggest a good >> ripper that would maybe rip down to mp4 would be my guess. Needs to be >> linux based. >> Thanks >> -A >> > > On the command line, I believe transcode is one. For a GUI, dvd::rip is a > perl-based app (http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/). There are quite a few of them, > actually. There is one application that is loosely cloned from a Windows DVD > ripper and library manager, but the name escapes me right now. I saw it while > perusing through Automatix on my last Ubuntu install. If the DVD is encrypted, > they'd need libdvdcss, something they'll need to think about installing since it > is not "legal". :( > > Other folks will have more suggestions, I hope. > Thanks, I'll pass it on ;) =Aaron From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Aug 1 14:55:26 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Wed Aug 1 14:55:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] flatbed scanner In-Reply-To: <7975c4aa587b375e1702f8212e07a5d4@rugmonster.org> References: <200708011006.12073.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> <7975c4aa587b375e1702f8212e07a5d4@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <200708011455.26685.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Wednesday 01 August 2007 10:22:50 Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:06:12 -0500, toddwbucy > > wrote: > > can someone recommend a good flatbed scanner for linux? I am currently > > running Ubuntu 7.04 so something with native support and not a lot of > > headaches would be nice. > > I have an HP Photosmart C-5180 All-in-one and it works like a champ for > scanning and printing in Ubuntu. Not only does it work via USB, it will > scan and print across the network. It does the job for me. Not sure if I want a all in one as I already have 2 printers. And I only need a flatbed to scan in some hard to find reference books. Would you say that HP scanners are generally pretty good for linux? (I have always had good luck with their printers.) There is a Visioneer 7300 Flatbed Scanner on craigs list for $45 and it seems to have "good" linux support on the sane site that TK (thanks) recomended. I think that I will give that a shot. Todd From mkr777 at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 19:36:53 2007 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Wed Aug 1 19:37:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke Message-ID: In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full article, just Google. ================================== Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: High-level emitters HP Color LaserJet 4650dn HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn HP Color LaserJet 8550N HP LaserJet 1320N HP LaserJet 1320n HP LaserJet 2420dn *HP LaserJet 4200dtn HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) *HP LaserJet 8000DN HP LaserJet 8150N Toshiba Studio 450 Mid-level emitters HP LaserJet 1020 HP LaserJet 4200dtn Low-level emitters Canon IRC6800 HP LaserJet 5M HP LaserJet 9000dn Ricoh CL3000DN Non-emitters HP Color LaserJet 4550DN HP Color LaserJet 8500DN HP LaserJet 2200DN HP LaserJet 2300dtn HP LaserJet 4 plus HP LaserJet 4000N HP LaserJet 4000TN HP LaserJet 4050N HP LaserJet 4050TN HP LaserJet 4si HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) HP LaserJet 5000n HP LaserJet 5100tn HP LaserJet 5N HP LaserJet 5si HP LaserJet 5si/NX HP LaserJet 8000DN HP LaserJet 8150DN Ricoh Aficio 2022 Ricoh Aficio 3045 Ricoh Aficio 3245C Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN Toshiba Studio 350 *possible high emitter ================ mkr From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Aug 1 19:48:43 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Aug 1 19:49:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B129EB.4010504@rugmonster.org> M K Ramadoss wrote: > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > article, just Google. > ================================== > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > HP LaserJet 1320N > > HP LaserJet 1320n I have a HP LaserJet 1160, which is the non-duplexing, non-network-enabled version of either of these. Good thing I don't print very often. Very interesting. From masterr at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 20:14:02 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:14:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <46B129EB.4010504@rugmonster.org> References: <46B129EB.4010504@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <14842c410708011814v7c55ee0x883fd7e0e7f5b0ed@mail.gmail.com> Hmm. We have one high-level and one non-emmitter in our office. Good thing I sit by the non. On 8/1/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > M K Ramadoss wrote: > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > > article, just Google. > > ================================== > > > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > I have a HP LaserJet 1160, which is the non-duplexing, > non-network-enabled version of either of these. Good thing I don't print > very often. Very interesting. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mkr777 at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 20:52:41 2007 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:53:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <14842c410708011814v7c55ee0x883fd7e0e7f5b0ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B129EB.4010504@rugmonster.org> <14842c410708011814v7c55ee0x883fd7e0e7f5b0ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Print the list and take it to your bosses. No one will then want to sit by the one which is a high emitter. On 8/1/07, Jonathan Hull wrote: > > Hmm. We have one high-level and one non-emmitter in our office. Good > thing I sit by the non. > > On 8/1/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > M K Ramadoss wrote: > > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > > > article, just Google. > > > ================================== > > > > > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > > > I have a HP LaserJet 1160, which is the non-duplexing, > > non-network-enabled version of either of these. Good thing I don't print > > very often. Very interesting. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From chmims at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 22:54:35 2007 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:54:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > article, just Google. > ================================== > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > High-level emitters > > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > > HP Color LaserJet 8550N > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > HP LaserJet 2420dn > > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > > *HP LaserJet 8000DN > > HP LaserJet 8150N > > Toshiba Studio 450 > > Mid-level emitters > > HP LaserJet 1020 > > HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > Low-level emitters > > Canon IRC6800 > > HP LaserJet 5M > > HP LaserJet 9000dn > > Ricoh CL3000DN > > Non-emitters > > HP Color LaserJet 4550DN > > HP Color LaserJet 8500DN > > HP LaserJet 2200DN > > HP LaserJet 2300dtn > > HP LaserJet 4 plus > > HP LaserJet 4000N > > HP LaserJet 4000TN > > HP LaserJet 4050N > > HP LaserJet 4050TN > > HP LaserJet 4si > > HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) > > HP LaserJet 5000n > > HP LaserJet 5100tn > > HP LaserJet 5N > > HP LaserJet 5si > > HP LaserJet 5si/NX > > HP LaserJet 8000DN > > HP LaserJet 8150DN > > Ricoh Aficio 2022 > > Ricoh Aficio 3045 > > Ricoh Aficio 3245C > > Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN > > Toshiba Studio 350 > > *possible high emitter > > ================ > > mkr > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 08:40:51 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Aug 2 08:41:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> Well that all depends on how you quantify easy. If you are speaking strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see where it would be easier to handle laser printer emissions. If you are speaking of long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser printer emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then the choice is not so obvious. Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are odorless, but I wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to second hand tobacco smoke. I am not defending tobacco smoke at all. I have very sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or the after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the building consistently. I was more than elated when they banned smoking in just about all public locations. I will be even happier when employers ban the use of tobacco during work hours period. Ernest On 8/1/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or > a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. > > On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: > > > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > > article, just Google. > > ================================== > > > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > > > High-level emitters > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > > > > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8550N > > > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > > > HP LaserJet 2420dn > > > > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > > > > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > > > > *HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > HP LaserJet 8150N > > > > Toshiba Studio 450 > > > > Mid-level emitters > > > > HP LaserJet 1020 > > > > HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > Low-level emitters > > > > Canon IRC6800 > > > > HP LaserJet 5M > > > > HP LaserJet 9000dn > > > > Ricoh CL3000DN > > > > Non-emitters > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4550DN > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8500DN > > > > HP LaserJet 2200DN > > > > HP LaserJet 2300dtn > > > > HP LaserJet 4 plus > > > > HP LaserJet 4000N > > > > HP LaserJet 4000TN > > > > HP LaserJet 4050N > > > > HP LaserJet 4050TN > > > > HP LaserJet 4si > > > > HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) > > > > HP LaserJet 5000n > > > > HP LaserJet 5100tn > > > > HP LaserJet 5N > > > > HP LaserJet 5si > > > > HP LaserJet 5si/NX > > > > HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > HP LaserJet 8150DN > > > > Ricoh Aficio 2022 > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3045 > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3245C > > > > Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN > > > > Toshiba Studio 350 > > > > *possible high emitter > > > > ================ > > > > mkr > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From chmims at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:08:09 2007 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Aug 2 09:08:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580708020708i21093e1ahfa6c58fb85adb361@mail.gmail.com> Would you know what the documented health problems associated with toner particles happen to be? On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > Well that all depends on how you quantify easy. If you are speaking > strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see where > it > would be easier to handle laser printer emissions. If you are speaking of > long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser printer > emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then the > choice > is not so obvious. Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are odorless, but > I > wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to > second > hand tobacco smoke. I am not defending tobacco smoke at all. I have very > sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or the > after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the > building consistently. I was more than elated when they banned smoking in > just about all public locations. I will be even happier when employers > ban > the use of tobacco during work hours period. > > Ernest > > On 8/1/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > > > If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or > > a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. > > > > On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: > > > > > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > > > article, just Google. > > > ================================== > > > > > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > > > > > High-level emitters > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8550N > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2420dn > > > > > > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > > > > > > *HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150N > > > > > > Toshiba Studio 450 > > > > > > Mid-level emitters > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1020 > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > > > Low-level emitters > > > > > > Canon IRC6800 > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5M > > > > > > HP LaserJet 9000dn > > > > > > Ricoh CL3000DN > > > > > > Non-emitters > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4550DN > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8500DN > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2200DN > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2300dtn > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4 plus > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000N > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000TN > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050N > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050TN > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4si > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5000n > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5100tn > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5N > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si/NX > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150DN > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 2022 > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3045 > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3245C > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN > > > > > > Toshiba Studio 350 > > > > > > *possible high emitter > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > mkr > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:25:00 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Aug 2 09:25:28 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580708020708i21093e1ahfa6c58fb85adb361@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580708020708i21093e1ahfa6c58fb85adb361@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319067990708020725u1f6a69e6tea4271a1cb8f1f65@mail.gmail.com> I wouldn't know what statistically significant data there is, but you can get an idea from here: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:In7o4XV3eFwJ:www.nysut.org/cps/rde/xchg/nysut/hs.xsl/healthandsafety_6920.htm+toner+pollute+tobacco&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406506-details/Office+printers+emit+dust+particles+which+are+'as+bad+for+you+as+smoking'/article.do http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/07/31/printerhazard.html As a matter of fact, if you do a generic google search on the phrase "laser printer pollution" there is a plethora of information available. Ernest On 8/2/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > Would you know what the documented health problems associated with toner > particles > happen to be? > > On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > > > Well that all depends on how you quantify easy. If you are speaking > > strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see where > > it > > would be easier to handle laser printer emissions. If you are speaking > of > > long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser > printer > > emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then the > > choice > > is not so obvious. Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are odorless, > but > > I > > wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to > > second > > hand tobacco smoke. I am not defending tobacco smoke at all. I have > very > > sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or the > > after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the > > building consistently. I was more than elated when they banned smoking > in > > just about all public locations. I will be even happier when employers > > ban > > the use of tobacco during work hours period. > > > > Ernest > > > > On 8/1/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > > > > > If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or > > > a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. > > > > > > On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: > > > > > > > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > > > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the > full > > > > article, just Google. > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > > > > > > > High-level emitters > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8550N > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2420dn > > > > > > > > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > > > > > > > > *HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150N > > > > > > > > Toshiba Studio 450 > > > > > > > > Mid-level emitters > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1020 > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > > > > > Low-level emitters > > > > > > > > Canon IRC6800 > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5M > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 9000dn > > > > > > > > Ricoh CL3000DN > > > > > > > > Non-emitters > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4550DN > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8500DN > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2200DN > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2300dtn > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4 plus > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000N > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000TN > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050N > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050TN > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4si > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5000n > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5100tn > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5N > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si/NX > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150DN > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 2022 > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3045 > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3245C > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN > > > > > > > > Toshiba Studio 350 > > > > > > > > *possible high emitter > > > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > > > mkr > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From j at jvpappas.net Thu Aug 2 09:39:31 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Aug 2 09:39:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <46B0D9E9.3000203@aaronhackney.com> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> <31418.143.166.255.40.1185990085.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0D9E9.3000203@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450708020739r56002d78wa02cfa419692d76c@mail.gmail.com> Assuming the target is a commercial DVD, you will also need VLC's libdvdcss libraries so that the app can read the DVD's DRM--"content scrambling system". As this install of mine is old, I have both the libdvdcss and libdvdcss2 libraries installed, not sure if I need to or not. As Thomas said, there are a bunch of proggies for DVD Ripping. Looking through my apps: cpdvd/cpvts, dvdshrink, k3b, k9copy, kungfu, lxdvdrip, shrip, vamps, winki. Each has strengths and weaknesses. I mostly use K3B, but I am testing the others. HTH, John On 8/1/07, Aaron Hackney wrote: > Thomas King wrote: > >> Thomas King wrote: > >> > >>>> I am posting this for a friend in Education backup in Illinois. They are > >>>> looking > >>>> for a solution to rip a DVD to a format for a Nokia n800. > >>>> > >>>> I'll forward any suggestions to him. > >>>> TIA > >>>> -Aaron > >>>> > >>>> ------snip------ > >>>> Does anyone know the procedure for ripping DVDs and encoding them to play on > >>>> the nokia n800 (using linux)? > >>>> -----snip------- > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Is there a particular format they are looking for? "It supports a number of > >>> music and video formats, including AAC, MP3, WAV, AMR, RealAudio, AVI, 3GP, > >>> MPEG-4, and others." > >>> > >>> It seems as simple as ripping a DVD to one of those formats using a normal > >>> application into one of the video formats. Once the file is made, upload it to > >>> the Nokia via USB or whatever connection it uses. Is there some detail we're > >>> missing? > >>> > >>> > >> Yes, he was pretty vague. I guess if someone could just suggest a good > >> ripper that would maybe rip down to mp4 would be my guess. Needs to be > >> linux based. > >> Thanks > >> -A > >> > > > > On the command line, I believe transcode is one. For a GUI, dvd::rip is a > > perl-based app (http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/). There are quite a few of them, > > actually. There is one application that is loosely cloned from a Windows DVD > > ripper and library manager, but the name escapes me right now. I saw it while > > perusing through Automatix on my last Ubuntu install. If the DVD is encrypted, > > they'd need libdvdcss, something they'll need to think about installing since it > > is not "legal". :( > > > > Other folks will have more suggestions, I hope. > > > Thanks, I'll pass it on ;) > =Aaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Thu Aug 2 09:44:20 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Thu Aug 2 09:44:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450708020739r56002d78wa02cfa419692d76c@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> <31418.143.166.255.40.1185990085.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0D9E9.3000203@aaronhackney.com> <4c0ec4450708020739r56002d78wa02cfa419692d76c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7555.143.166.226.57.1186065860.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > As Thomas said, there are a bunch of proggies for DVD Ripping. Looking > through my apps: cpdvd/cpvts, dvdshrink, k3b, k9copy, kungfu, > lxdvdrip, shrip, vamps, winki. > > Each has strengths and weaknesses. I mostly use K3B, but I am testing > the others. > > HTH, > John I didn't realize k3b would rip DVDs. Nice! From hc at lookcee.com Thu Aug 2 09:47:22 2007 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Thu Aug 2 09:47:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B1EE7A.6030708@lookcee.com> Ernest de Leon wrote: > Well that all depends on how you quantify easy. If you are speaking > strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see where it > would be easier to handle laser printer emissions. If you are speaking of > long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser printer > emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then the choice > is not so obvious. Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are odorless, but I > wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to second > hand tobacco smoke. I am not defending tobacco smoke at all. I have very > sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or the > after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the > building consistently. I was more than elated when they banned smoking in > just about all public locations. I will be even happier when employers ban > the use of tobacco during work hours period. > > Ernest > > On 8/1/07, Charles Mims wrote: > >> If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or >> a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. >> >> On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: >> >>> In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are >>> polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full >>> article, just Google. >>> ================================== >>> >>> Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: >>> >>> High-level emitters >>> >>> HP Color LaserJet 4650dn >>> >>> HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn >>> >>> HP Color LaserJet 8550N >>> >>> HP LaserJet 1320N >>> >>> HP LaserJet 1320n >>> >>> HP LaserJet 2420dn >>> >>> *HP LaserJet 4200dtn >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) >>> >>> HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) >>> >>> *HP LaserJet 8000DN >>> >>> HP LaserJet 8150N >>> >>> Toshiba Studio 450 >>> >>> Mid-level emitters >>> >>> HP LaserJet 1020 >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4200dtn >>> >>> Low-level emitters >>> >>> Canon IRC6800 >>> >>> HP LaserJet 5M >>> >>> HP LaserJet 9000dn >>> >>> Ricoh CL3000DN >>> >>> Non-emitters >>> >>> HP Color LaserJet 4550DN >>> >>> HP Color LaserJet 8500DN >>> >>> HP LaserJet 2200DN >>> >>> HP LaserJet 2300dtn >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4 plus >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4000N >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4000TN >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4050N >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4050TN >>> >>> HP LaserJet 4si >>> >>> HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) >>> >>> HP LaserJet 5000n >>> >>> HP LaserJet 5100tn >>> >>> HP LaserJet 5N >>> >>> HP LaserJet 5si >>> >>> HP LaserJet 5si/NX >>> >>> HP LaserJet 8000DN >>> >>> HP LaserJet 8150DN >>> >>> Ricoh Aficio 2022 >>> >>> Ricoh Aficio 3045 >>> >>> Ricoh Aficio 3245C >>> >>> Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN >>> >>> Toshiba Studio 350 >>> >>> *possible high emitter >>> >>> ================ >>> >>> mkr >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> I know I should just keep quiet but since this thread has continued and since I am the village contrary and curmudgeon ... I read the article and it came from an "accidental discovery" in Australia and of dozens of polluting sources could have been chosen, only tobacco smoke was chosen to compare. It also pops up at the very time when the Tobacco industry is spending billions trying to convince the entire world that 'smoking has benefit and is not so bad' here is a good example: http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous3.html#240801 I should also shut up with that but.... just look up and observe that when was the last time you saw those wonderful days when the sky was so deep azure blue near aquamarine, I can tell you it was pre 1996 when strange jet-trails suddenly appeared that were called longer-lasting con-trails. Look up the definition and cause of contrails and you find that they can only exist for a few seconds and these trails last all day spreading out and have accumulated to the point that we no longer have a deep blue sky just the pale silvery tones, I have painted thousands of sunsets and those marvelous colors and contours are also gone. Should you not be concerned about the white powder that over 400 military tanker jets are spraying 24/7 into the air at less than 5miles up. Why will no one talk about it or answer any questions about this? The effect in the sky is very visible, do you not think that if this was good for you and I and your children the Pols would certainly be telling you how wonderful it is? Why are over 500 tanker jets in operation there is no air war anywhere. Guess I will stop here although there are many more Why's. Sorry to soap box here but I just could not resist I think we are undergoing intentional pollution on a grand scale. If you trouble yourself to investigate this you will find it matches a plan proposed to combat global warming from the sun by Edward Teller (known as 'Father of the Hydrogen bomb, died few years back) you can start here. http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm herb From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:52:50 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Aug 2 09:53:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <7555.143.166.226.57.1186065860.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> <31418.143.166.255.40.1185990085.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0D9E9.3000203@aaronhackney.com> <4c0ec4450708020739r56002d78wa02cfa419692d76c@mail.gmail.com> <7555.143.166.226.57.1186065860.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <46B1EFC2.4010400@gmail.com> Thomas King wrote: >> As Thomas said, there are a bunch of proggies for DVD Ripping. Looking >> through my apps: cpdvd/cpvts, dvdshrink, k3b, k9copy, kungfu, >> lxdvdrip, shrip, vamps, winki. >> >> Each has strengths and weaknesses. I mostly use K3B, but I am testing >> the others. >> >> HTH, >> John >> > > I didn't realize k3b would rip DVDs. Nice! > Actually it won't demux them, AFAIK. Neither with dvdshrink. 'Shrink is a great tool for backing up DVDs though. ~Nate From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:57:47 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Aug 2 09:58:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <46B1EE7A.6030708@lookcee.com> References: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> <46B1EE7A.6030708@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <319067990708020757o4c49ae0cnd7934900b2e452bb@mail.gmail.com> Interesting stuff Herb. I have never heard of that before. Ernest On 8/2/07, herb cee wrote: > > Ernest de Leon wrote: > > Well that all depends on how you quantify easy. If you are speaking > > strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see where > it > > would be easier to handle laser printer emissions. If you are speaking > of > > long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser > printer > > emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then the > choice > > is not so obvious. Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are odorless, > but I > > wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to > second > > hand tobacco smoke. I am not defending tobacco smoke at all. I have > very > > sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or the > > after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the > > building consistently. I was more than elated when they banned smoking > in > > just about all public locations. I will be even happier when employers > ban > > the use of tobacco during work hours period. > > > > Ernest > > > > On 8/1/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > > >> If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or > >> a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. > >> > >> On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: > >> > >>> In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > >>> polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > >>> article, just Google. > >>> ================================== > >>> > >>> Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > >>> > >>> High-level emitters > >>> > >>> HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > >>> > >>> HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > >>> > >>> HP Color LaserJet 8550N > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 1320N > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 1320n > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 2420dn > >>> > >>> *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > >>> > >>> *HP LaserJet 8000DN > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 8150N > >>> > >>> Toshiba Studio 450 > >>> > >>> Mid-level emitters > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 1020 > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4200dtn > >>> > >>> Low-level emitters > >>> > >>> Canon IRC6800 > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 5M > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 9000dn > >>> > >>> Ricoh CL3000DN > >>> > >>> Non-emitters > >>> > >>> HP Color LaserJet 4550DN > >>> > >>> HP Color LaserJet 8500DN > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 2200DN > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 2300dtn > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4 plus > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4000N > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4000TN > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4050N > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4050TN > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 4si > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 5000n > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 5100tn > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 5N > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 5si > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 5si/NX > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 8000DN > >>> > >>> HP LaserJet 8150DN > >>> > >>> Ricoh Aficio 2022 > >>> > >>> Ricoh Aficio 3045 > >>> > >>> Ricoh Aficio 3245C > >>> > >>> Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN > >>> > >>> Toshiba Studio 350 > >>> > >>> *possible high emitter > >>> > >>> ================ > >>> > >>> mkr > >>> -- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SATLUG mailing list > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > >> > I know I should just keep quiet but since this thread has continued and > since I am the village contrary and curmudgeon ... I read the article > and it came from an "accidental discovery" in Australia and of dozens of > polluting sources could have been chosen, only tobacco smoke was chosen > to compare. It also pops up at the very time when the Tobacco industry > is spending billions trying to convince the entire world that 'smoking > has benefit and is not so bad' here is a good example: > http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous3.html#240801 > > I should also shut up with that but.... just look up and observe that > when was the last time you saw those wonderful days when the sky was so > deep azure blue near aquamarine, I can tell you it was pre 1996 when > strange jet-trails suddenly appeared that were called longer-lasting > con-trails. Look up the definition and cause of contrails and you find > that they can only exist for a few seconds and these trails last all day > spreading out and have accumulated to the point that we no longer have a > deep blue sky just the pale silvery tones, I have painted thousands of > sunsets and those marvelous colors and contours are also gone. > > Should you not be concerned about the white powder that over 400 > military tanker jets are spraying 24/7 into the air at less than 5miles > up. Why will no one talk about it or answer any questions about this? > The effect in the sky is very visible, do you not think that if this was > good for you and I and your children the Pols would certainly be telling > you how wonderful it is? Why are over 500 tanker jets in operation there > is no air war anywhere. Guess I will stop here although there are many > more Why's. > > Sorry to soap box here but I just could not resist I think we are > undergoing intentional pollution on a grand scale. If you trouble > yourself to investigate this you will find it matches a plan proposed to > combat global warming from the sun by Edward Teller (known as 'Father of > the Hydrogen bomb, died few years back) you can start here. > http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm > herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From justin.burdette at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 10:08:05 2007 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin D. Burdette) Date: Thu Aug 2 10:08:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <46B1EFC2.4010400@gmail.com> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> <31418.143.166.255.40.1185990085.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0D9E9.3000203@aaronhackney.com> <4c0ec4450708020739r56002d78wa02cfa419692d76c@mail.gmail.com> <7555.143.166.226.57.1186065860.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B1EFC2.4010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: Agreed on XDVDshrink...I use it frequently to back up my DVDs before they get destroyed. As this is my first time posting to the group, I should give a brief introduction. I'm Justin...26, on the northeast side of SA, and have been using Linux since about February of last year. I've gone MS-free in my home and I'm quite happy with it. I'm running OpenSUSE 10.2 on my main machine and the latest Debian on my (very old) laptop. I also run a computer business out of my home to build and repair PCs. Justin On 8/2/07, pixelnate wrote: > > Thomas King wrote: > >> As Thomas said, there are a bunch of proggies for DVD Ripping. Looking > >> through my apps: cpdvd/cpvts, dvdshrink, k3b, k9copy, kungfu, > >> lxdvdrip, shrip, vamps, winki. > >> > >> Each has strengths and weaknesses. I mostly use K3B, but I am testing > >> the others. > >> > >> HTH, > >> John > >> > > > > I didn't realize k3b would rip DVDs. Nice! > > > Actually it won't demux them, AFAIK. Neither with dvdshrink. 'Shrink is > a great tool for backing up DVDs though. > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Thu Aug 2 11:11:35 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Thu Aug 2 11:12:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! Message-ID: <20921.143.166.255.58.1186071095.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Sorry about that last send. :| Let's take a look at automating when commands and scripts are run using cron. If you are not familiar with cron, I would suggest looking up some tutorials on this tool. Even regular users would benefit from using it. Part 1: What is the command and switches for editing the crontab file and listing the crontab jobs? Part 2: When will this script be run? 36 5 12 6 * /script/file Part 3: Where would you put a script if you simply needed it to be run hourly, daily, weekly, and/or monthly without needing to create a crontab entry? The answer should have a separate location for each time period. Part 4: Where would regular users put their crontab entries? From donguitar at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 11:52:21 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Thu Aug 2 11:52:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Welcome Justin Message-ID: <004f01c7d525$7f06b240$1208a8c0@dec842502> I started learning Linux in February of 2006 and, as a web veteran, I knew I'd need a knowledgeable email group. I live in Buchanan Lake Village (on lake Buchanan, natch) a little over two hours from SA and over an hour from Austin but ALG ( http://www.austinlug.org/ ) and SATLUG have provided my gurus and mentors. HLLUG (http://www.hllug.org/ ), in Marble Falls now has an email list ( http://www.freelists.org/list/hllug ) which gives me a closer-to-home resource (and I'm active in HLLUG). SATLUG is a really great list but newbies require a thick skin to survive the inevitable flaying and sometimes the best response is to make no response at all. Welcome aboard, Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/ From edcoates at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 12:32:38 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Thu Aug 2 12:33:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! In-Reply-To: <20921.143.166.255.58.1186071095.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <20921.143.166.255.58.1186071095.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0708021032o18a336e8y54a1c2c947b5a8b3@mail.gmail.com> On 8/2/07, Thomas King wrote: > Sorry about that last send. :| > > Let's take a look at automating when commands and scripts are run using cron. If > you are not familiar with cron, I would suggest looking up some tutorials on > this tool. Even regular users would benefit from using it. > > Part 1: What is the command and switches for editing the crontab file and > listing the crontab jobs? crontab -e for editing and crontab -l for listing > > Part 2: When will this script be run? > 36 5 12 6 * /script/file > Every June 12th at 5:36 AM > Part 3: Where would you put a script if you simply needed it to be run hourly, > daily, weekly, and/or monthly without needing to create a crontab entry? The > answer should have a separate location for each time period. > /etc/cron.hourly /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.weekly /etc/cron.monthly > Part 4: Where would regular users put their crontab entries? > -- when they edit and save them, they get stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs, but it may vary between distros and/or cron programs Ed From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Thu Aug 2 13:01:24 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Thu Aug 2 13:01:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Quiz time! In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0708021032o18a336e8y54a1c2c947b5a8b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20921.143.166.255.58.1186071095.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <8ee65edd0708021032o18a336e8y54a1c2c947b5a8b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52169.143.166.226.42.1186077684.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > On 8/2/07, Thomas King wrote: >> Sorry about that last send. :| >> >> Let's take a look at automating when commands and scripts are run using cron. >> If >> you are not familiar with cron, I would suggest looking up some tutorials on >> this tool. Even regular users would benefit from using it. >> >> Part 1: What is the command and switches for editing the crontab file and >> listing the crontab jobs? > > crontab -e for editing and crontab -l for listing > >> >> Part 2: When will this script be run? >> 36 5 12 6 * /script/file >> > > Every June 12th at 5:36 AM > >> Part 3: Where would you put a script if you simply needed it to be run hourly, >> daily, weekly, and/or monthly without needing to create a crontab entry? The >> answer should have a separate location for each time period. >> > > /etc/cron.hourly > /etc/cron.daily > /etc/cron.weekly > /etc/cron.monthly > >> Part 4: Where would regular users put their crontab entries? >> -- > > when they edit and save them, they get stored in > /var/spool/cron/crontabs, but it may vary between distros and/or cron > programs > > Ed Good stuff! Thoughts? From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Aug 2 13:17:09 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Aug 2 13:19:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <319067990708020725u1f6a69e6tea4271a1cb8f1f65@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580708020708i21093e1ahfa6c58fb85adb361@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020725u1f6a69e6tea4271a1cb8f1f65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B21FA5.3050506@futuretechsolutions.com> Another good google search is " msds sheet" Ernest de Leon wrote: > I wouldn't know what statistically significant data there is, but you can > get an idea from here: > > http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:In7o4XV3eFwJ:www.nysut.org/cps/rde/xchg/nysut/hs.xsl/healthandsafety_6920.htm+toner+pollute+tobacco&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a > > http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406506-details/Office+printers+emit+dust+particles+which+are+'as+bad+for+you+as+smoking'/article.do > > http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/07/31/printerhazard.html > > As a matter of fact, if you do a generic google search on the phrase "laser > printer pollution" there is a plethora of information available. > > Ernest > > On 8/2/07, Charles Mims wrote: >> Would you know what the documented health problems associated with toner >> particles >> happen to be? >> >> On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: >>> Well that all depends on how you quantify easy. If you are speaking >>> strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see where >>> it >>> would be easier to handle laser printer emissions. If you are speaking >> of >>> long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser >> printer >>> emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then the >>> choice >>> is not so obvious. Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are odorless, >> but >>> I >>> wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to >>> second >>> hand tobacco smoke. I am not defending tobacco smoke at all. I have >> very >>> sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or the >>> after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the >>> building consistently. I was more than elated when they banned smoking >> in >>> just about all public locations. I will be even happier when employers >>> ban >>> the use of tobacco during work hours period. >>> >>> Ernest >>> >>> On 8/1/07, Charles Mims wrote: >>>> If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or >>>> a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. >>>> >>>> On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: >>>>> In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are >>>>> polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the >> full >>>>> article, just Google. >>>>> ================================== >>>>> >>>>> Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: >>>>> >>>>> High-level emitters >>>>> >>>>> HP Color LaserJet 4650dn >>>>> >>>>> HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn >>>>> >>>>> HP Color LaserJet 8550N >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 1320N >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 1320n >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 2420dn >>>>> >>>>> *HP LaserJet 4200dtn >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) >>>>> >>>>> *HP LaserJet 8000DN >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 8150N >>>>> >>>>> Toshiba Studio 450 >>>>> >>>>> Mid-level emitters >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 1020 >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4200dtn >>>>> >>>>> Low-level emitters >>>>> >>>>> Canon IRC6800 >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 5M >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 9000dn >>>>> >>>>> Ricoh CL3000DN >>>>> >>>>> Non-emitters >>>>> >>>>> HP Color LaserJet 4550DN >>>>> >>>>> HP Color LaserJet 8500DN >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 2200DN >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 2300dtn >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4 plus >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4000N >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4000TN >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4050N >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4050TN >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 4si >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 5000n >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 5100tn >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 5N >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 5si >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 5si/NX >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 8000DN >>>>> >>>>> HP LaserJet 8150DN >>>>> >>>>> Ricoh Aficio 2022 >>>>> >>>>> Ricoh Aficio 3045 >>>>> >>>>> Ricoh Aficio 3245C >>>>> >>>>> Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN >>>>> >>>>> Toshiba Studio 350 >>>>> >>>>> *possible high emitter >>>>> >>>>> ================ >>>>> >>>>> mkr >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> From chmims at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 14:19:43 2007 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Aug 2 14:20:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <319067990708020725u1f6a69e6tea4271a1cb8f1f65@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580708020708i21093e1ahfa6c58fb85adb361@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020725u1f6a69e6tea4271a1cb8f1f65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580708021219u6c4124d8jdf39f1c87e31bad8@mail.gmail.com> I find nothing about any specific health problems associated with toner particles. At this point it seems most that can be said is, 'Laser printers emit toner particles. We need to find out if there is any danger.' On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > I wouldn't know what statistically significant data there is, but you can > get an idea from here: > > > http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:In7o4XV3eFwJ:www.nysut.org/cps/rde/xchg/nysut/hs.xsl/healthandsafety_6920.htm+toner+pollute+tobacco&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a > > > http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406506-details/Office+printers+emit+dust+particles+which+are+'as+bad+for+you+as+smoking'/article.do > > http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/07/31/printerhazard.html > > As a matter of fact, if you do a generic google search on the phrase > "laser > printer pollution" there is a plethora of information available. > > Ernest > > On 8/2/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > > > Would you know what the documented health problems associated with toner > > particles > > happen to be? > > > > On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > > > > > Well that all depends on how you quantify easy. If you are speaking > > > strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see > where > > > it > > > would be easier to handle laser printer emissions. If you are > speaking > > of > > > long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser > > printer > > > emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then the > > > choice > > > is not so obvious. Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are odorless, > > but > > > I > > > wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to > > > second > > > hand tobacco smoke. I am not defending tobacco smoke at all. I have > > very > > > sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or the > > > after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the > > > building consistently. I was more than elated when they banned > smoking > > in > > > just about all public locations. I will be even happier when > employers > > > ban > > > the use of tobacco during work hours period. > > > > > > Ernest > > > > > > On 8/1/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > > > > > > > If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or > > > > a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. > > > > > > > > On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers > are > > > > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the > > full > > > > > article, just Google. > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > > > > > > > > > High-level emitters > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8550N > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2420dn > > > > > > > > > > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > > > > > > > > > > *HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150N > > > > > > > > > > Toshiba Studio 450 > > > > > > > > > > Mid-level emitters > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1020 > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > > > > > > > Low-level emitters > > > > > > > > > > Canon IRC6800 > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5M > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 9000dn > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh CL3000DN > > > > > > > > > > Non-emitters > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4550DN > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8500DN > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2200DN > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2300dtn > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4 plus > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000N > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000TN > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050N > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050TN > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4si > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5000n > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5100tn > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5N > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si/NX > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150DN > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 2022 > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3045 > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3245C > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN > > > > > > > > > > Toshiba Studio 350 > > > > > > > > > > *possible high emitter > > > > > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > > > > > mkr > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Aug 2 14:40:40 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Aug 2 14:41:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B23338.1010400@shlrm.org> M K Ramadoss wrote: > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > article, just Google. > ================================== > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > High-level emitters > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > HP Color LaserJet 8550N > HP LaserJet 1320N > HP LaserJet 1320n > HP LaserJet 2420dn > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > *HP LaserJet 8000DN > HP LaserJet 8150N > Toshiba Studio 450 > Mid-level emitters > HP LaserJet 1020 > HP LaserJet 4200dtn > Low-level emitters > Canon IRC6800 > HP LaserJet 5M > HP LaserJet 9000dn > Ricoh CL3000DN These printers contain chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer. David From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 15:03:06 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Aug 2 15:03:28 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Slackware and Acrobat Message-ID: <79ec289f0708021303l4f96ab9kc6d5b45008098eb5@mail.gmail.com> Guys/gals, I thought I'd tell everybody that Acrobat doesn't play well with Slack -current and -12.0. To get around this, you need to edit /usr/bin/acroread: Change line 418 to read: echo $mfile| sed 's/libgtk-x11-([0-9]*).0.so.0.([0-9])000.([0-9]*)|(.*)/123/g' From riugakusei at aim.com Thu Aug 2 15:24:22 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Thu Aug 2 15:24:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net Message-ID: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't. can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom 1390 Medar ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From aaron at aaronhackney.com Thu Aug 2 15:27:33 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Thu Aug 2 15:28:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net In-Reply-To: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46B23E35.7020108@aaronhackney.com> riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't. > can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom 1390 > What's your routing table look like? \route at the command line. -A > > > > > Medar > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 15:47:06 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Aug 2 15:47:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net In-Reply-To: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0708021347h3a112c22o9be6350eb1e67985@mail.gmail.com> In addition to the routing table, what is the Link Quality and the Signal to Noise ratio? And what distro? On 8/2/07, riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > > i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't. > can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom 1390 > > > > > > Medar > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From aaron at aaronhackney.com Thu Aug 2 16:04:55 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Thu Aug 2 16:05:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net In-Reply-To: <46B23E35.7020108@aaronhackney.com> References: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> <46B23E35.7020108@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <46B246F7.9000607@aaronhackney.com> Aaron Hackney wrote: > riugakusei@aim.com wrote: >> i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own >> network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, >> sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't. >> can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom >> 1390 >> > What's your routing table look like? > \route that's just route and not \route, sorry for the typo! > at the command line. > -A > >> >> >> >> >> Medar >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and >> industry-leading spam and email virus protection. >> From riugakusei at aim.com Thu Aug 2 16:17:45 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Thu Aug 2 16:18:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0708021347h3a112c22o9be6350eb1e67985@mail.gmail.com> References: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> <79ec289f0708021347h3a112c22o9be6350eb1e67985@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C9A361B48914FF-9D4-789F@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> room:/home/medar # route Kernel IP routing table Destination???? Gateway???????? Genmask???????? Flags Metric Ref??? Use Iface 192.168.1.0???? *?????????????? 255.255.255.0?? U???? 0????? 0??????? 0 wlan0 loopback??????? *?????????????? 255.0.0.0?????? U???? 0????? 0??????? 0 lo default???????? 192.168.1.1???? 0.0.0.0???????? UG??? 0????? 0??????? 0 wlan0 ?the link quality is good ?utput for iwconfig: ????????? RX bytes:1956 (1.9 Kb)? TX bytes:1956 (1.9 Kb) wlan0???? Link encap:Ethernet? ????????? inet addr:192.168.1.3? Bcast:192.168.1.255? Mask:255.255.255.0 ????????? inet6 addr: fe80::218:f3ff:fef8:3996/64 Scope:Link ????????? UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST? MTU:1500? Metric:1 ????????? RX packets:424 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 ????????? TX packets:277 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 ????????? collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 ????????? RX bytes:41012 (40.0 Kb)? TX bytes:42696 (41.6 Kb) ????????? Interrupt:193 Memory:c0200000-c0204000 i am runny opensuse 10.2 Medar -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Mann To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net In addition to the routing table, what is the Link Quality and the Signal to Noise ratio? And what distro? On 8/2/07, riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > > i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't. > can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom 1390 > > > > > > Medar > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From riugakusei at aim.com Thu Aug 2 16:28:09 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Thu Aug 2 16:28:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net In-Reply-To: <46B246F7.9000607@aaronhackney.com> References: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> <46B23E35.7020108@aaronhackney.com> <46B246F7.9000607@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <8C9A3632832886F-9D4-7928@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> is this what u need?my route output? room:~ # route Kernel IP routing table Destination???? Gateway???????? Genmask???????? Flags Metric Ref??? Use Iface 192.168.1.0???? *?????????????? 255.255.255.0?? U???? 0????? 0??????? 0 wlan0 loopback??????? *?????????????? 255.0.0.0?????? U???? 0????? 0??????? 0 lo default???????? 192.168.1.1???? 0.0.0.0???????? UG??? 0????? 0??????? 0 wlan0 Medar -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Hackney To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net Aaron Hackney wrote:? > riugakusei@aim.com wrote:? >> i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own >> network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, >> sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't.? >> can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom >> 1390? >> > What's your routing table look like?? > \route? that's just route and not \route, sorry for the typo!? ? > at the command line.? > -A? >? >>? >> >>? >>? >> Medar? >>? >> ________________________________________________________________________? >> Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and >> industry-leading spam and email virus protection.? >> ? -- _______________________________________________? SATLUG mailing list? SATLUG@satlug.org? http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe? Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)? ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 16:47:53 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Aug 2 16:48:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <46B23338.1010400@shlrm.org> References: <46B23338.1010400@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <319067990708021447l488024aeud0e52c316da37ff9@mail.gmail.com> It's funny that you mention that because in California just about every place of business you go has a sign that states that something in the vicinity has chemicals that are known to cause cancer. It's to the point that people ignore it most of the time there. When I first saw a sign that said that, I approached the Maitre d' and asked about it, he half-heartedly said that there was no concern. Apparently, they must place that sign if any chemical (even cleaning solvents etc) that resides on the premises is known to cause cancer. Now I see those sign all over the place in Cali and I think nothing of it. That's almost as bad as having no signs because they have desensitized people to the risk. Ernest On 8/2/07, David Kowis wrote: > > M K Ramadoss wrote: > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers are > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the full > > article, just Google. > > ================================== > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > High-level emitters > > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > > HP Color LaserJet 8550N > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > HP LaserJet 2420dn > > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > > *HP LaserJet 8000DN > > HP LaserJet 8150N > > Toshiba Studio 450 > > Mid-level emitters > > HP LaserJet 1020 > > HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > Low-level emitters > > Canon IRC6800 > > HP LaserJet 5M > > HP LaserJet 9000dn > > Ricoh CL3000DN > > These printers contain chemicals known to the state of California to > cause cancer. > > > David > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kc5jmr at grandecom.net Thu Aug 2 17:09:59 2007 From: kc5jmr at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Thu Aug 2 17:11:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net In-Reply-To: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1186092599.1443.4.camel@FC7.home> I'm not sure as I hav not tried to setup a wireless card in any of my Linux PC, but on the ocasion that I did have this problem on my wired network I would manual input the DNS address from my ISP and the problem would go away. If that doesn't help you might try to ping an IP from inside your network (192.x.x.x) and then try pinging one from outside your net (i.e. www.yahoo.com) or something like that if it pings the intranet but not the internet check your router settings and make sure that it is accepting connections from your wireless. RObert On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:24 -0400, riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't. > can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom 1390 > > > > > > Medar > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From aaron at aaronhackney.com Thu Aug 2 17:23:15 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Thu Aug 2 17:23:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net In-Reply-To: <8C9A3632832886F-9D4-7928@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9A35A3F246F09-B98-D929@WEBMAIL-MB18.sysops.aol.com> <46B23E35.7020108@aaronhackney.com> <46B246F7.9000607@aaronhackney.com> <8C9A3632832886F-9D4-7928@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46B25953.5070505@aaronhackney.com> riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > is this what u need?my route output? > room:~ # route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination???? Gateway???????? Genmask???????? Flags Metric Ref??? Use Iface > 192.168.1.0???? *?????????????? 255.255.255.0?? U???? 0????? 0??????? 0 wlan0 > loopback??????? *?????????????? 255.0.0.0?????? U???? 0????? 0??????? 0 lo > default???????? 192.168.1.1???? 0.0.0.0???????? UG??? 0????? 0??????? 0 wlan0 > > > Yes sir. I wanted to make sure your default path was out the wlan0 interface and not another interface. Next question, can you ping 192.168.1.1 ? > > > > Medar > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Hackney > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 5:04 pm > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net > > > > > > > > > > Aaron Hackney wrote:? > > >> riugakusei@aim.com wrote:? >> > > >>> i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own >>> network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, >>> sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't.? >>> > > >>> can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom >>> 1390? >>> > > >>> >>> >> What's your routing table look like?? >> > > >> \route? >> > > that's just route and not \route, sorry for the typo!? > ? > > >> at the command line.? >> > > >> -A? >> > > >> ? >> > > >>> ? >>> > > >>> >>> ? >>> > > >>> ? >>> > > >>> Medar? >>> > > >>> ? >>> > > >>> ________________________________________________________________________? >>> > > >>> Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and >>> industry-leading spam and email virus protection.? >>> > > >>> ? >>> > > From dacrummie at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 18:40:19 2007 From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie) Date: Thu Aug 2 18:40:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dirty Microbe (T-Shirt Store) Scam In-Reply-To: <14842c410708010856u15049e4cwf3dbb0529ca072b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410708010856u15049e4cwf3dbb0529ca072b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You may be able to contact Christian von Kleist, the owner of the company here: http://www.gobignetwork.com/profiles/Christian-vonKleist.aspx Seems that is a bunch of University of Florida students. -- Dale Crummie The box said: "Requires Windows 95 or better." So I installed LINUX From siffland at nerdshack.com Thu Aug 2 18:49:33 2007 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Thu Aug 2 18:49:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] UNIX Position Message-ID: <3ae131d00708021649o78fb399flfdcbd1fe7c261cc6@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, my best friend at work is moving with his wife to Germany (he sux) his last day is in the middle of September. So we are going to be looking for a new UNIX System admin to replace him. It is a contractor position, we support about 45 local HP-UX systems and around 30 remote HP UX systems. We are starting to get a few Linux boxes in but they are just for testing. Below is the requirements the manager handed down to me, if anyone is interested contact me off the list at ifflands@gmail.com Summary: The System Administrator will provide general System Administration support of the UNIX servers for local and remote sites. Duties: HP Unix System Administrator responsible for the day to day system operability. Duties include Information Assurance, security, patches, and backups. Monitor performance and overall system processing. Work as a member of a team or independently Schedule centrally managed recurring processes within the application Perform daily application-level error checking and reporting Maintain and modify system profiles Assist government users and other personnel with problems and procedures on production and testing databases Participate in projects supporting infrastructure and business applications in a HP-UX environment Evaluates system products for reliability, scale-ability supportability, availability, performance and appropriateness to business requirements Monitors and tunes system to achieve optimum performance levels Evaluate and recommend enhancements and system changes to improve reliability and/or performance Evaluates and recommends hardware and software solutions Installs, configures, modifies, and maintains operating systems and related software components (communications, systems utilities, and tools) of greater complexity/critically to ensure stable performance and system integrity Tunes system for reliability, availability and performance Determines systems specifications, input/output processes and working parameters for hardware and software compatibility. Assist with printer related issues Other duties as required Technical Skills (Must have): Basic understanding of UNIX commands, system administration and configuration Secure Shell POSIX Scripting Technical Skills (Preferred): NAC (National Agency Check) is preferred for security clearances Basic knowledge of UNIX , including shell programming, system tuning and troubleshooting skills Linux Administration Experience HP Data Protector or other enterprise backup solutions HP-UX Ignite Storage Area Network (SAN) experience Experience with Oracle Salary commensurate with Experience From scs at worldlinkisp.com Thu Aug 2 19:21:04 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Thu Aug 2 19:21:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] unable to surf the net Message-ID: i got my wireless card working w/ ndiswrapper, i can join my own network an get an ip address but i am unable to surf the net, sometimes it lets me but most of the time it doesn't. can anyone help me. has anyone run into this? my card its a broadcom 1390 ------------------- From the CL enter < iwconfig > then check the results and see if they match your configuration settings. Your mode, frequency, and ESSID are the important parameters. example: eth0 IEEE 802.11b ESSID dd-wrt Nickname lou Mode: Managed Freq: 2.437 GHz Access Point: xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx Bit Rate: 2 MB/s Sensitivity: 1/3 Retry limit: 4 RTS thr: off Frament thr: off Encryption key: off Power managment: off Link quality=50/92 Signal Level=44dBm Noise= 94 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excess retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon: 0 From victor.trevino at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 20:01:35 2007 From: victor.trevino at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Thu Aug 2 20:01:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a good dedicated hosting provider. Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking for a good dedicated server provider. I'm looking specifically for a provider that carries FreeBSD and is based in Texas. This won't be for anything crucial, so I'm looking for something rather cheap - below $100/month. Such plans do exist, but I need to know which ones are good and reliable. Thanks. From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Aug 2 20:15:58 2007 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Aug 2 20:16:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <319067990708021447l488024aeud0e52c316da37ff9@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B23338.1010400@shlrm.org> <319067990708021447l488024aeud0e52c316da37ff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:47:53 -0500, "Ernest de Leon" wrote: <> > Now I see those sign all over the place in Cali and >I think nothing of it. That's almost as bad as having no signs because they >have desensitized people to the risk. No, it's worse. The excess signs have devalued _all_ warning signs, even those that call attention to uncommon risks. The "Watch for Ice"[1] signs on the highway are the same thing. They devalue all highway warnings, thus drivers are less safe than before they were installed. (Why do you think people have recently begun moving high water barricades to drive through?) --Don [1] The signs were originally designed to be normally closed, and opened manually when icing conditions existed. As I recall, Governor Ann Richards decreed they always be left open to save money and avoid giving the impression the bridge was safe because the sign was still closed. Yet another case of lawsuit abuse making life worse for everyone. -- Not certified by the Texas Board of Legal Specialization. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Aug 2 20:18:59 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Aug 2 20:19:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a good dedicated hosting provider. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B28283.1020901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Victor wrote: > Hi, I'm looking for a good dedicated server provider. I'm looking > specifically for a provider that carries FreeBSD and is based in Texas. This > won't be for anything crucial, so I'm looking for something rather cheap - > below $100/month. Such plans do exist, but I need to know which ones are > good and reliable. > > Thanks. > Server Beach -- From gdabernathy at earthlink.net Thu Aug 2 20:43:54 2007 From: gdabernathy at earthlink.net (gdabernathy) Date: Thu Aug 2 20:44:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a good dedicated hosting provider. Message-ID: <14972053.1186105434895.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I heard that gkg.net is inexpensive and very good. I have personally never used them. Good Luck, gda -----Original Message----- >From: Victor >Sent: Aug 2, 2007 8:01 PM >To: satlug@satlug.org >Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a good dedicated hosting provider. > >Hi, I'm looking for a good dedicated server provider. I'm looking >specifically for a provider that carries FreeBSD and is based in Texas. This >won't be for anything crucial, so I'm looking for something rather cheap - >below $100/month. Such plans do exist, but I need to know which ones are >good and reliable. > >Thanks. >-- >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 22:11:01 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu Aug 2 22:11:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home DNS Caching Message-ID: <277020fc0708022011y78353072le9149aef043b2910@mail.gmail.com> Do any of you run your own DNS server on your home networks? If so do you find this beneficial? From masterr at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 22:17:04 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Thu Aug 2 22:17:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home DNS Caching In-Reply-To: <277020fc0708022011y78353072le9149aef043b2910@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0708022011y78353072le9149aef043b2910@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410708022017yccb3692rc65e2d952ab1f910@mail.gmail.com> I have a router running DD-WRT that has a DNS server in it, does that count? -Jon On 8/2/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > Do any of you run your own DNS server on your home networks? If so do > you find this beneficial? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Aug 2 22:15:18 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Aug 2 22:17:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home DNS Caching In-Reply-To: <277020fc0708022011y78353072le9149aef043b2910@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0708022011y78353072le9149aef043b2910@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/2/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > Do any of you run your own DNS server on your home networks? Yes. > If so do > you find this beneficial? Very. Many ISPs have overloaded nameservers, or nameservers that are not well-configured. Speed is usually increased significantly, too -- dozens or hundreds of milliseconds round-trip time between me and the nameserver(s) at my ISP will really add up over a surprisingly short period of time, when you have to do that for virtually every single new TCP connection. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Aug 2 23:06:10 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Aug 2 23:08:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home DNS Caching In-Reply-To: <277020fc0708022011y78353072le9149aef043b2910@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0708022011y78353072le9149aef043b2910@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B2A9B2.2070701@futuretechsolutions.com> I've got a dns server running on one of my boxen. For me, it compares to the switch from dial-up to broadband in that I'm never going back to using my ISP's dns servers. I no longer have the lag time between me and the dns server, nor do I have to wait forever when the ISP's dns servers are overloaded. Sometimes I think they pulled a bunch of 8086's out of the bin to run their dns services. The difference in speed is definitely noticeable. Charles Sean Carolan wrote: > Do any of you run your own DNS server on your home networks? If so do > you find this beneficial? From kc5jmr at grandecom.net Fri Aug 3 00:22:51 2007 From: kc5jmr at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Fri Aug 3 00:24:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ripping DVDs to Nokia n800 in Linux In-Reply-To: <46B1EFC2.4010400@gmail.com> References: <46B0B529.8030905@aaronhackney.com> <32083.143.166.255.41.1185987212.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0BC95.4040900@aaronhackney.com> <31418.143.166.255.40.1185990085.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B0D9E9.3000203@aaronhackney.com> <4c0ec4450708020739r56002d78wa02cfa419692d76c@mail.gmail.com> <7555.143.166.226.57.1186065860.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <46B1EFC2.4010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186118571.2952.15.camel@FC7.home> I know this group is Linux, but I use a program that is made for windows to copy DVD's or more to the point a program that converts DVD's to MP4 files and it seems to work out pretty good except that I have to use Windows to use it. It's called 123dvd2PSP. It started out as a way to watch my DVD's on my Playstation Portable while at the Doc's office waiting area but since I can watch MP$ files with Linux or Itunes on my G3 with the latest updates to OS X 10.3.9 it works out better that way instead. NOw all I have to do is find an equilivant version of this program for either Linux or OS X and I will be set, although I need to find a better processor for my Mac G# it's only a 300Mhz G3 and I want to find a G4 500mhz or better processor. GOtta keep an Eye on Ebay for that though. But for now the G3 processor will have to do. RObert On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 09:52 -0500, pixelnate wrote: > Thomas King wrote: > >> As Thomas said, there are a bunch of proggies for DVD Ripping. Looking > >> through my apps: cpdvd/cpvts, dvdshrink, k3b, k9copy, kungfu, > >> lxdvdrip, shrip, vamps, winki. > >> > >> Each has strengths and weaknesses. I mostly use K3B, but I am testing > >> the others. > >> > >> HTH, > >> John > >> > > > > I didn't realize k3b would rip DVDs. Nice! > > > Actually it won't demux them, AFAIK. Neither with dvdshrink. 'Shrink is > a great tool for backing up DVDs though. > > ~Nate > From kc5jmr at grandecom.net Fri Aug 3 00:37:26 2007 From: kc5jmr at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Fri Aug 3 00:38:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580708021219u6c4124d8jdf39f1c87e31bad8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580708012054j2ee0fd71y409ddb6dbf3a1344@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020640j199d3c12jafeed58701653e78@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580708020708i21093e1ahfa6c58fb85adb361@mail.gmail.com> <319067990708020725u1f6a69e6tea4271a1cb8f1f65@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580708021219u6c4124d8jdf39f1c87e31bad8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186119446.2952.30.camel@FC7.home> God watching TV ruins your eyes playing Video Games makes you violent sun bathing gives you cancer junk food gives you diabeties (and yes I am Diabetic) Cars Pollute the air and kill the Ozone Layer and if we don't change our ways the earth will either heat up and we drown in floods of water from the Icecaps or we freeze in a new Ice Age. It seems to me that the environmentalist nut jobs and the rest of the tree hugging hippies want us to abandon everything and go back to nature, who gives a flying F***. Sorry I just get tired of all the BS out there strung on by the Liberal Media (Yes I am a Republican). It's bad enough I hear the garbage the Ecco Nuts dump into the world from Cheryl Crow wanting to limit or force me to reuse toilet Paper to the polluting Diesel disaster boats Green Peace use to protest everything from Fishing to Oil Drilling and even the Vegan twits who won't have sex with us meat eaters is just going too far. Now they have infiltrated this place with talks of Printer Pollution by toner. DO you see what is happening to the world, they make us fear everything yet they do and use the same things we do. What I am getting at is this has nothing to really do with Linux so why do we discuss it here, this is just my opinion and if I offend I apologize but do we really need to keep talking about printer pollution to death Robert On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 14:19 -0500, Charles Mims wrote: > I find nothing about any specific health problems associated with toner > particles. At this point it seems > most that can be said is, 'Laser printers emit toner particles. We need to > find out if there is any danger.' > > > On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > > > I wouldn't know what statistically significant data there is, but you can > > get an idea from here: > > > > > > http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:In7o4XV3eFwJ:www.nysut.org/cps/rde/xchg/nysut/hs.xsl/healthandsafety_6920.htm+toner+pollute+tobacco&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a > > > > > > http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406506-details/Office+printers+emit+dust+particles+which+are+'as+bad+for+you+as+smoking'/article.do > > > > http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/07/31/printerhazard.html > > > > As a matter of fact, if you do a generic google search on the phrase > > "laser > > printer pollution" there is a plethora of information available. > > > > Ernest > > > > On 8/2/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > > > > > Would you know what the documented health problems associated with toner > > > particles > > > happen to be? > > > > > > On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > > > > > > > Well that all depends on how you quantify easy. If you are speaking > > > > strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see > > where > > > > it > > > > would be easier to handle laser printer emissions. If you are > > speaking > > > of > > > > long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser > > > printer > > > > emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then the > > > > choice > > > > is not so obvious. Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are odorless, > > > but > > > > I > > > > wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to > > > > second > > > > hand tobacco smoke. I am not defending tobacco smoke at all. I have > > > very > > > > sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or the > > > > after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the > > > > building consistently. I was more than elated when they banned > > smoking > > > in > > > > just about all public locations. I will be even happier when > > employers > > > > ban > > > > the use of tobacco during work hours period. > > > > > > > > Ernest > > > > > > > > On 8/1/07, Charles Mims wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or > > > > > a laser printer I think the choice would be easy. > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers > > are > > > > > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For the > > > full > > > > > > article, just Google. > > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution: > > > > > > > > > > > > High-level emitters > > > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn > > > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn > > > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8550N > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320N > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320n > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2420dn > > > > > > > > > > > > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge) > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge) > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed) > > > > > > > > > > > > *HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150N > > > > > > > > > > > > Toshiba Studio 450 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mid-level emitters > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 1020 > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4200dtn > > > > > > > > > > > > Low-level emitters > > > > > > > > > > > > Canon IRC6800 > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5M > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 9000dn > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh CL3000DN > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-emitters > > > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4550DN > > > > > > > > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8500DN > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2200DN > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 2300dtn > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4 plus > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000N > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000TN > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050N > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050TN > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 4si > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed) > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5000n > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5100tn > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5N > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si/NX > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8000DN > > > > > > > > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150DN > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 2022 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3045 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3245C > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN > > > > > > > > > > > > Toshiba Studio 350 > > > > > > > > > > > > *possible high emitter > > > > > > > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > > > > > > > mkr > > > > > > -- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From kc5jmr at grandecom.net Fri Aug 3 00:39:47 2007 From: kc5jmr at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Fri Aug 3 00:41:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke In-Reply-To: <319067990708021447l488024aeud0e52c316da37ff9@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B23338.1010400@shlrm.org> <319067990708021447l488024aeud0e52c316da37ff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186119587.2952.33.camel@FC7.home> goes to that old joke " This Item contains material that have been proven to cause cancer or birth defects in the state of California." What about the other 49 states. RObert On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:47 -0500, Ernest de Leon wrote: > It's funny that you mention that because in California just about every > place of business you go has a sign that states that something in the > vicinity has chemicals that are known to cause cancer. It's to the point > that people ignore it most of the time there. When I first saw a sign that > said that, I approached the Maitre d' and asked about it, he half-heartedly > said that there was no concern. Apparently, they must place that sign if > any chemical (even cleaning solvents etc) that resides on the premises is > known to cause cancer. Now I see those sign all over the place in Cali and > I think nothing of it. That's almost as bad as having no signs be