[SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke

Fri Aug 3 00:53:33 CDT 2007

I hate to add another message to this subject, but I agree, this subject is
ridiculous.  Being a printer repair technician, almost all laser printers
create dust (even older machines still use wires that generate ozone, which
is bad but we need it- c'mon....) Even the paper has dust.  Is this bad for
us?  It is bad for the machines because it creates various problems.  The
vacuum we have to use has a filter that traps particles smaller than HEPA
filters.  Why then is a HEPA filter so good if there is a filter that traps
smaller particles?  Honestly, the filters that some printers have on them
don't even get dirty (except for the HP Color 4500 series -those are dirty
machines) and most of the dust just collects inside and end up on the paper
and get cooked into the paper.  If you want to argue about "exhaust" from a
printer, consider the inkjet printer that you are probably sitting next to.
Most of the inkjet printers (hp anyway) have an estimated lifespan of
10,000-15,000 pages before they start having enough problems that require
repair or a complete disassembly to maintain.  True, I have seen quite a few
last to 35,000 or more, but at that point, the inside is so covered in ink
that if it is an electronic issue, it usually ends up in the trash, while
most laser printers only start coming due for a scheduled maintenance
depending on model from 200,000 to as high as 3560,000 pages, and that is
only to replace the "most commonly worn out parts to maintain quality" and
no filters are included in the kits (once again, except that nasty Color
LaserJet 4500 series).  In order to print, they actually "boil" the ink,
which us usually made with alcohol or other semi-fast drying liquid.

Sorry, I just had to get some points across, seeing these messages continue,
and ended up getting longer-winded than I thought I would have in the
beginning.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces at satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces at satlug.org]On
Behalf Of Robert J Hewitt
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:37 AM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Laser printers can pollute more than tobacco smoke

God watching TV ruins your eyes
    playing Video Games makes you violent
    sun bathing gives you cancer
    junk food gives you diabeties (and yes I am Diabetic)
    Cars Pollute the air and kill the Ozone Layer
    and if we don't change our ways the earth will either heat up and we
drown in floods of water from the Icecaps or we freeze in a new Ice
Age.

     It seems to me that the environmentalist nut jobs and the rest of
the tree hugging hippies want us to abandon everything and go back to
nature, who gives a flying F***.  Sorry I just get tired of all the BS
out there strung on by the Liberal Media (Yes I am a Republican). It's
bad enough I hear the garbage the Ecco Nuts dump into the world from
Cheryl Crow wanting to limit or force me to reuse toilet Paper to the
polluting Diesel disaster boats Green Peace use to protest everything
from Fishing to Oil Drilling and even the Vegan twits who won't have sex
with us meat eaters is just going too far.  Now they have infiltrated
this place with talks of Printer Pollution by toner.  DO you see what is
happening to the world, they make us fear everything yet they do and use
the same things we do.
     What I am getting at is this has nothing to really do with Linux so
why do we discuss it here, this is just my opinion and if I offend I
apologize but do we really need to keep talking about printer pollution
to death

Robert
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 14:19 -0500, Charles Mims wrote:
> I find nothing about any specific health problems associated with toner
> particles.  At this point it seems
> most that can be said is, 'Laser printers emit toner particles.  We need
to
> find out if there is any danger.'
>
>
> On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon <dryicezero at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't know what statistically significant data there is, but you
can
> > get an idea from here:
> >
> >
> >
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:In7o4XV3eFwJ:www.nysut.org/cps/rde/xchg
/nysut/hs.xsl/healthandsafety_6920.htm+toner+pollute+tobacco&hl=en&ct=clnk&c
d=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a
> >
> >
> >
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406506-details/Office+printers+
emit+dust+particles+which+are+'as+bad+for+you+as+smoking'/article.do
> >
> > http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/07/31/printerhazard.html
> >
> > As a matter of fact, if you do a generic google search on the phrase
> > "laser
> > printer pollution" there is a plethora of information available.
> >
> > Ernest
> >
> > On 8/2/07, Charles Mims <chmims at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would you know what the documented health problems associated with
toner
> > > particles
> > > happen to be?
> > >
> > > On 8/2/07, Ernest de Leon <dryicezero at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well that all depends on how you quantify easy.  If you are speaking
> > > > strictly of the odor and possible nasal reaction, then I could see
> > where
> > > > it
> > > > would be easier to handle laser printer emissions.  If you are
> > speaking
> > > of
> > > > long term health effects, however, in a situation where the laser
> > > printer
> > > > emissions *may* pollute more than second hand tobacco smoke, then
the
> > > > choice
> > > > is not so obvious.  Cyanide and natural gas, after all, are
odorless,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > wouldn't say that I would choose exposure to either over exposure to
> > > > second
> > > > hand tobacco smoke.  I am not defending tobacco smoke at all.  I
have
> > > very
> > > > sensitive allergies and I absolutely cannot stand tobacco smoke or
the
> > > > after-smell that the American Lung Cancer Association drags into the
> > > > building consistently.  I was more than elated when they banned
> > smoking
> > > in
> > > > just about all public locations.  I will be even happier when
> > employers
> > > > ban
> > > > the use of tobacco during work hours period.
> > > >
> > > > Ernest
> > > >
> > > > On 8/1/07, Charles Mims <chmims at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If given a choice whether to stay in a room with a smoker or
> > > > > a laser printer I think the choice would be easy.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/1/07, M K Ramadoss <mkr777 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a recent study, it was found that some of the laser printers
> > are
> > > > > > polluting worse than tobacco smoke. Here are the results: For
the
> > > full
> > > > > > article, just Google.
> > > > > > ==================================
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Printer tests showed levels of ultra-fine particle pollution:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > High-level emitters
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4650dn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8550N
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320N
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 1320n
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 2420dn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *HP LaserJet 4200dtn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (old cartridge)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4250n (new cartridge)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(a) (further study needed)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *HP LaserJet 8000DN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150N
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Toshiba Studio 450
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mid-level emitters
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 1020
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4200dtn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Low-level emitters
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Canon IRC6800
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 5M
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 9000dn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ricoh CL3000DN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Non-emitters
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 4550DN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP Color LaserJet 8500DN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 2200DN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 2300dtn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4 plus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000N
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4000TN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050N
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4050TN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 4si
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 5(b) (further study needed)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 5000n
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 5100tn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 5N
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 5si/NX
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 8000DN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HP LaserJet 8150DN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 2022
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3045
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ricoh Aficio 3245C
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ricoh Aficio CC3000DN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Toshiba Studio 350
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *possible high emitter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ================
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mkr
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