[SATLUG] Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage

[Hector Bojorquez]

yup.....Age discrimination is pretty much the way to do business in
Texas...and not just in the tech sector...
Let's also not kid ourselves...the REAL reason these companies come to Texas
to do business (tax breaks aside)...is that we are a right to work state
where unions should really be called eunuchs...

I think the way corporations move their workers around to India to the
detriment of American workers is atrocious...but if I was to play the
devil's advocate on this one... I'd say... Geopolitically it really makes
the west stronger if India is a strong ally with a larger middle class
(their definition of middle class is WAAAAY lower than the US) .. Of course
that's not the reason corporations send jobs over there...but it may be a
good side effect.

What REALLY drives me crazy about this debate is that we are not educating
our kids (not to compete) to LEAD in the next century.
Our kids should not be thinking that they will be competing for tech
jobs that will inevitably be shipped out... they should be educated to be
innovators, researchers, and great technological thinkers.
And that's not happening.




On 8/26/07, Jennie Haywood <jehaywood at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8/26/07, Hector Bojorquez <hector.bojorquez at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Amazing how y'all tracked down my pearls of wisdom...
> > .. I was usually responding...not initiating a politically charged
> > posting.... or making flawed jumps in rhetoric-- as in lumping illegal
> > immigration with H1B issued-- which was what I was initially responding
> > to...
> > I can see the value in discussing H1B here.. but illegal immigration --
> > should not be a part of discussions here...
> >
> > As far as the list is concerned....
> > I am eternally grateful to the open source community for the knowledge
> > imparted (here and elsewhere) by it's proponent, adherents and lovely
> > lunatics.  I normally sit quietly by and read (almost) all posts because
> I
> > learn something new every time.... and while I used to need a lot more
> > hand
> > holding in the beginning... I haven't asked for much help directly
> for  a
> > while.....Still every so often, I get the feeling that the list may be
> > growing stale.....
> >
> >
>
> I'm not sure how illegal immigration got into this.  That's certainly not
> what the study was about.  But for anyone that wants this to be Linux
> specific - the last Linux job I had got moved offshore to Argentina,
> courtesy of IBM.   A friend at AMD in Austin is in a group that just had
> half of the people RIF'd - all Linux people - it's going to Singapore.
>
> Anyone in their mid 40's ought to be worried by what the author of the
> study
> found - blantant age discrimination.   It doesn't seem to matter how
> qualified you are.  What they are looking for are people with 3-5 years of
> experience that they don't have to pay much for and it's even better if
> they
> are foreign indentured servents.
>
> here is a hard cold fact to work with:
>
> $1 = Rs45.3 (rupees) exchange rate as of 2:00pm Sunday
>
> most developers in the US make between $70,000 - $150,000 per year
>
> in India developers make  Rs. 70,000+ per year
>
> Rs70,0000/45.3 = $1,545.25 per year
>
> and you can live like a king in Chennai or Hyderabad on Rs.70,000/per
> year.
> I can have a house, a gardener, a driver, and a cook on that, in India.
> It
> is more expensive in Bangalore now, but that is why they are moving to
> other
> areas of India like Pune (North India), Hyderabad (south India) and
> Chennai
> (south India).
>
> Can you live in Texas for $1500 a year?
>
> IBM is moving more and more of their development to India.  I'm sure HP
> and
> Sun are doing the same.
>
>
> --
> Jennie Haywood
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