From theoneghost at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 10:39:59 2007 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Thu Feb 1 10:40:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux Message-ID: Does anyone here use Mint? I wanted to know if it would work comfortably on my laptop. I currently have Suse10.2, and I like it, but I think I might try something new. Does anyone know about it? The main thing I'm worried about is my wireless card. Intel 3945ABG. I'd like to know if anyone's had any problems or coments on it. -- - Seth From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Feb 1 11:40:42 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:39:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C2261A.1070806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Seth Sanchez wrote: > Does anyone here use Mint? I wanted to know if it would work > comfortably on > my laptop. I currently have Suse10.2, and I like it, but I think I > might try > something new. Does anyone know about it? The main thing I'm worried > about > is my wireless card. Intel 3945ABG. I'd like to know if anyone's had any > problems or coments on it. > I've been trying since you posted that message, to get to the Mint website. It ain't coming up. -- From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Feb 1 13:21:48 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Feb 1 13:20:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] MadTux 3.2 GHz Freespire PC Message-ID: <45C23DCC.1020107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Wow! http://store.madtux.org/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=269 From theoneghost at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 13:52:01 2007 From: theoneghost at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Thu Feb 1 13:52:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux Message-ID: I think because Distrowatch linked to them, their servers can't handle influx of the people interested. I really want to check their forums to see if they support my wireless card. I'm just going to have to check tomorrow. -- - Seth From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 13:55:13 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Feb 1 13:55:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] MadTux 3.2 GHz Freespire PC In-Reply-To: <45C23DCC.1020107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <45C23DCC.1020107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <319067990702011155x27e8285ay540c003bc15dc2c8@mail.gmail.com> this is about what the celeron D machines go for without OS. Amenity sells a 'savant' machine very similar to this one for $289 out the door....if you're interested? Ernest On 2/1/07, Geoff wrote: > > Wow! > > http://store.madtux.org/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=269 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 14:06:41 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Feb 1 14:07:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] MadTux 3.2 GHz Freespire PC In-Reply-To: <319067990702011155x27e8285ay540c003bc15dc2c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <744949.99086.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> umm.that is a Celeron D processor. I tend to stay away from celery processors...you get what you pay for in performance. Alex --- Ernest de Leon wrote: > this is about what the celeron D machines go for > without OS. Amenity sells > a 'savant' machine very similar to this one for $289 > out the door....if > you're interested? > > Ernest > > On 2/1/07, Geoff wrote: > > > > Wow! > > > > > http://store.madtux.org/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=269 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > # Ernest De Leon > > "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their > head got where it is." > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Feb 1 16:15:58 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Feb 1 16:14:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C2669E.9000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Seth Sanchez wrote: > I think because Distrowatch linked to them, their servers can't handle > influx of the people interested. I really want to check their forums > to see > if they support my wireless card. I'm just going to have to check > tomorrow. > I dunno how, but I was able to drag down the .iso. If someone wanted to give me a site where I could upload it, that wouldn't be a problem... -- From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 16:26:53 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Feb 1 16:27:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Job Offer: Linux Admin Message-ID: <561080.52082.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> has nothing to do with me..just posting.. its a cut-n-paste so it may look butchered.. contact info is below. Thanks ================================================== Alex: I mentioned to you a couple of weeks ago that NGS was looking for a Linux Admin. If you know of anyone, please have them send me their resume at gary.ballard-toney@nortelgov.com. The job description is below. Job Description: Nortel Government Solutions has an immediate opening for a Systems Engineer located in San Antonio, TX. A High School Degree is required with up to 3 years of experience. Summary of expected duties and responsibilities: *Strong Linux System Administration and troubleshooting skills. *Strong email and web security skills and familiar with hardware configuration. *Familiar with RDBMS and Windows. *Good oral communication and writing skills *Required to physically handle servers (taking them in and out of racks and configuring). Assist with transportation. *Local and remote travel required. *Must be willing to work on nights and weekends, as required. *Must have excellent customer service skills and be able to meet established deadlines. *BS desired. Experience may be substituted for education. Requirements: Linux system administration, email and web security, RDBMS, Windows, strong communication and customer service skills. Travel required, varying work schedule may include nights and weekends, physically handle equipments. Thanks, B-T ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From dryicezero at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 16:28:03 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Thu Feb 1 16:28:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: <45C2669E.9000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <45C2669E.9000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <319067990702011428w694e447bg7856b2f5d7480014@mail.gmail.com> just seed a torrent of it and give us the info to get it.... Ernest On 2/1/07, Geoff wrote: > > Seth Sanchez wrote: > > I think because Distrowatch linked to them, their servers can't handle > > influx of the people interested. I really want to check their forums > > to see > > if they support my wireless card. I'm just going to have to check > > tomorrow. > > > > I dunno how, but I was able to drag down the .iso. > > If someone wanted to give me a site where I could upload it, that > wouldn't be a problem... > > -- > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From mitchthompson at satx.rr.com Thu Feb 1 17:50:54 2007 From: mitchthompson at satx.rr.com (Mitch Thompson) Date: Thu Feb 1 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C27CDE.2010408@satx.rr.com> Seth Sanchez wrote: > Does anyone here use Mint? I wanted to know if it would work > comfortably on > my laptop. I currently have Suse10.2, and I like it, but I think I > might try > something new. Does anyone know about it? The main thing I'm worried > about > is my wireless card. Intel 3945ABG. I'd like to know if anyone's had any > problems or coments on it. > I have it as a VMWare guest, here. It looks ok. On a similar note, check out Ultimate Ubuntu: http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/index.html -- "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:11 -- Read The Patriot It's Right -- It's Free http://PatriotPost.US/subscribe/ -- Mitch Thompson, San Antonio, Texas//WB5UZG Red Hat Certified Engineer From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Feb 1 17:52:24 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Feb 1 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: <319067990702011428w694e447bg7856b2f5d7480014@mail.gmail.com> References: <45C2669E.9000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <319067990702011428w694e447bg7856b2f5d7480014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C27D38.1080708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ernest de Leon wrote: > just seed a torrent of it and give us the info to get it.... I never got a reply to direct email. I've got BitTorrent ready to do just that. But, since this is my -first- time in publishing a torrent, would someone like to tell me 'where' I can put it? LinuxMint-2.1.iso.torrent From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Feb 1 18:01:05 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Feb 1 17:59:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: <319067990702011428w694e447bg7856b2f5d7480014@mail.gmail.com> References: <45C2669E.9000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <319067990702011428w694e447bg7856b2f5d7480014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C27F41.4020703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ernest de Leon wrote: > just seed a torrent of it and give us the info to get it.... > > Ernest I probably did something wrong.. but here's Mint Linux 2.1 (Bea) stable http://www.mininova.org/tor/566909 (*maybe*) From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Feb 1 18:07:33 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Feb 1 18:06:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: <45C27F41.4020703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <45C2669E.9000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <319067990702011428w694e447bg7856b2f5d7480014@mail.gmail.com> <45C27F41.4020703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <45C280C5.20205@w5omr.shacknet.nu> I shoulda searched there, first. (what was I thinking?) http://www.mininova.org/get/518156 I KNOW that one is there! ;-) From mzilla1101 at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 18:30:57 2007 From: mzilla1101 at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Thu Feb 1 18:31:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] When rewrite doesn't Message-ID: I am very new to mod_rewrite and I can't get anything to work. I am using a fresh install of Apache 2.0.59. I stuck the following two lines at the bottom of httpd.conf: RewriteEngine On RewriteRule ^old\.html$ new.html I have two files in my document root, old.html and new.html. However, when I view old.html, I see the contents of old.html rather than new.html. There is no rewrite being performed at all. If I remove old.html and try to access it, I get the standard Apache 404 message saying that old.html isn't available. Again, the rewrite rule isn't being picked up. The mod_rewrite.so is in the modules directory and being loaded via LoadModule. Apache doesn't complain about the syntax of httpd.conf so it must know that RewriteEngine and RewriteRule are valid. Nevertheless, I can't get even this most basic of rules to work. I'm sure it must be something simple, but I can't find it and the hoards of documentation out there are no help. All of it just says "Add RewriteEngine and RewriteRule and it just magically works." TIA, Mike From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 20:34:29 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Thu Feb 1 20:34:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Setting Up Web Dir Server & Disk Qoutas // use to be (need help :: central secure storage location accessed by many) In-Reply-To: <3857.192.168.2.1.1170247343.squirrel@luisgarza.com> References: <3857.192.168.2.1.1170247343.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: Greeting Luis. I am trying to set up a web dir server or http://www.ecosmear.com/relay/. Relay was simple enough to set up. My only concern was managing space. I can manage with out. dan wrote: "... Apache runs as a single user. So anything created via Relay is going to be owned by the same user and group. Quotas are by-user or by-group, not by-size-of-directory. Not only that, Apache is going to need to have read and write access to any directory you want Relay to be able to upload to." -So trying to understand...Quotas will not work in my propsed situation because Apache will own all the files uploaded to the Relay virtual directories that map to the user's home directories and quotas are by users, groups, and files. Thanks! -- ::twistedPickles:: : From mzilla1101 at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 22:59:32 2007 From: mzilla1101 at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Thu Feb 1 22:59:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: When rewrite doesn't In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay, I have been able to answer my own questions so far. Now, I have a new one. First, here's a rewrite rule that works. Don't worry about the crazy syntax of the URL I'm writing to. What's imporant is that rewrite is applying the rule at the right time. RewriteRule ^/directory($|/.*) \ http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/\ http/{SERVER_NAME}:80/stuff/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_directory$1 [L,P] When I visit http://www.someurl.com/directory, the rewrite log shows what you would expect to see and I see the expected web page from the other server. (2) init rewrite engine with requested uri /directory (3) applying pattern '^/directory($|/.*)' to uri '/directory' (2) rewrite /directory -> http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/{SERVER_NAME}:80/stuff/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_directory Now, let's say that I would rather that directory/subdir be the path to map instead of just plain ol directory. In that case, I'll replace the above rule with the following. RewriteRule ^/directory/subdir($|/.*) \ http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/\ http/{SERVER_NAME}:80/stuff/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_directory/_vh_subdir$1 [L,P] Now, when I visit http://www.someurl.com/directory/subdir, the rewrite log shows something strange. (2) init rewrite engine with requested uri /directory/subdir (3) applying pattern '^/directory/subdir($|/.*)' to uri '/directory/subdir' (1) pass through /directory/subdir Huh? So, when the pattern is just a single directory, it's able to match. When the pattern is multiple directories, it doesn't match. And of course the page returned in this case is the classic Apache 404 saying that /directory/subdir doesn't exist. So, why does rewrite catch the first case, but not the second? -Mike From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Feb 1 23:33:40 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Feb 1 23:33:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance Message-ID: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> I am amazed at what I have recently found. I wish I had hard numbers on this, but Ubuntu performs remarkably better as x86 than x86_64. Same system, same specs and everything is better. Memory utilization for the same applications is incredibly lower. The Nvidia drivers render smoother AIGLX graphics. VMWare runs smoother. I really feel silly for using x86_64 for at least six months now. The servers that I'm running x86_64 Ubuntu on seem to be doing just fine, so I wonder if it isn't something to do with something in the graphical side that is a problem. Has anyone else seen similar results? Thoughts or speculations? Regards, Daniel From adam at quo.com Fri Feb 2 01:55:24 2007 From: adam at quo.com (adam@quo.com) Date: Fri Feb 2 01:59:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance In-Reply-To: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> References: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <45547.131.194.234.45.1170402924.squirrel@mail.quo.com> I'm currently running Ubuntu x86_64 on this machine, and have been for about a year now. In that time, I've noticed that it does seem slow compared to some of the other systems I work on... Many of them have inferior hardware, but are running some 32bit linux distro (mostly Fedora or Debian). A lot of the comparative slowness I see is related to graphics stuff (AIGLX / Beryl, Games), so I think you might be on to something. Most 32bit installs just seem snappier, not to mention there are still a few packages that aren't available in 64bit flavor yet... As a note, since I've been running Ubuntu for so long, I've gone through several upgrades. I believe my original install was Breezy, so I've dist-upgraded from that to Dapper and then to Edgy. I seriously doubt that helped my performance any... This system is getting really crufty. :( --Adam > I am amazed at what I have recently found. I wish I had hard numbers on > this, > but Ubuntu performs remarkably better as x86 than x86_64. Same system, > same > specs and everything is better. Memory utilization for the same > applications is > incredibly lower. The Nvidia drivers render smoother AIGLX graphics. > VMWare runs > smoother. I really feel silly for using x86_64 for at least six months > now. > > The servers that I'm running x86_64 Ubuntu on seem to be doing just fine, > so I > wonder if it isn't something to do with something in the graphical side > that is > a problem. Has anyone else seen similar results? Thoughts or speculations? > > Regards, > Daniel > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Feb 2 02:15:36 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Fri Feb 2 02:18:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Python/Python-Devel Update Conflict In-Reply-To: <2d1185c80701302043g6805de35jb8aee2795a0f2330@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d1185c80701301226i460b3119kb309f6b42c1d41ab@mail.gmail.com> <2d1185c80701301634u1c276f8kfa3fddf842d4f6f7@mail.gmail.com> <41277.131.194.234.45.1170204263.squirrel@mail.quo.com> <2d1185c80701301740p3157b154w5f95cd22e5289e43@mail.gmail.com> <51596.131.194.234.45.1170208686.squirrel@mail.quo.com> <2d1185c80701301844k33a3a7acuc275aa35eb003964@mail.gmail.com> <45C006CE.5070204@rugmonster.org> <2d1185c80701302043g6805de35jb8aee2795a0f2330@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C2F328.8040807@futuretechsolutions.com> Matt, Have you tried to run: yum update python.i386 The same version number of python and python-devel are in the update tree. Matt Kinsel wrote: > You're right, Daniel. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I > shouldn't need it, so I removed it, and every now and then I'll try > reinstalling it - see if they've gotten the bug fixed. Alrighty, thanks! > > On 1/30/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: >> >> Matt Kinsel wrote: >> > Well, it looks like we're back to square one. Anybody else have any >> > advice? >> >> How about just removing python-devel? If you're compiling source that >> needs the >> python development headers, then you need it. Otherwise, it should be >> necessary. >> See what happens when you try to get rid of it. Look at what it says it >> needs to >> remove and if it's a bunch of -devel stuff and you don't regularly >> compile >> stuff >> from scratch, then I would remove it. >> >> ...OR... >> >> Wait a couple of days for the dependency to get fixed. Obviously, you >> aren't the >> only person in the world running Fedora and it is highly unlikely that >> you're >> the only one to have this problem. File a bug report if you want, but >> it's >> probably going to get worked out shortly. >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Feb 2 07:25:49 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Feb 2 07:21:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: When rewrite doesn't In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C33BDD.6050208@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Mike wrote: > Okay, I have been able to answer my own questions so far. Now, I have a > new > one. First, here's a rewrite rule that works. Don't worry about the crazy > syntax of the URL I'm writing to. What's imporant is that rewrite is > applying the rule at the right time. > > RewriteRule ^/directory($|/.*) \ > http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/\ > http/{SERVER_NAME}:80/stuff/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_directory$1 [L,P] > > When I visit http://www.someurl.com/directory, the rewrite log shows what > you would expect to see and I see the expected web page from the other > server. > > (2) init rewrite engine with requested uri /directory > (3) applying pattern '^/directory($|/.*)' to uri '/directory' > (2) rewrite /directory -> > http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/{SERVER_NAME}:80/stuff/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_directory > > > Now, let's say that I would rather that directory/subdir be the path to map > instead of just plain ol directory. In that case, I'll replace the above > rule with the following. > > RewriteRule ^/directory/subdir($|/.*) \ > http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/\ > http/{SERVER_NAME}:80/stuff/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_directory/_vh_subdir$1 > [L,P] > > Now, when I visit http://www.someurl.com/directory/subdir, the rewrite log > shows something strange. > > (2) init rewrite engine with requested uri /directory/subdir > (3) applying pattern '^/directory/subdir($|/.*)' to uri '/directory/subdir' > (1) pass through /directory/subdir > > Huh? So, when the pattern is just a single directory, it's able to match. > When the pattern is multiple directories, it doesn't match. And of course > the page returned in this case is the classic Apache 404 saying that > /directory/subdir doesn't exist. So, why does rewrite catch the first > case, > but not the second? Perhaps you need to escape the /'s since it's a regular expression? Just a guess. Probably wrong since the first one worked. > > -Mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQGVAwUBRcM73cnf+vRw63ObAQowiAwAjw/ef4R76yqXKJDRjSSODn+o50W6oEO9 T8W3pP3w/JIMsJwsIAq3BDBgs15JGQs4mHYAf/PpYK4jvmp+L7k69l0wmLZhqS/H 01uerTlcaPVx5Rymto0UwCdrk+HXuc5Db82v0Jq/A9n02dDa/Xb3DxJ0v4FMOEVm RTjIUHYENQQRXHLVMZln+QYkK+LwAwDLG1GFeZ83aJApo9jCfapt6BTcXGLLqk7j /hiVz2wW1iAJSvcx4vmKRW00M222WSUYdR0qSir+q3VRCDe5kWey8lD5wWjwOT6j 24nP+fH2L+QlmXcTZlKJewKYLvXDCfYtDWYOF95LYXb0AOiPAjWKrwjZ2OhmgZMI IjCS642rt/m+CKf11Wl5n19Z2JQfEORsgQCh9yWWVl4gRHHprtmvPHvMopCNVN4j GiEb63uaEVQUtWLwKL1zPiyJcAUnp1USOp3FzV6VdMCxX6nzvTmZtAV21BqQ/IHs FydNm7NXImKlN+Kl69dC9NwKkP6dB0// =F0KZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kell at spoonix.com Fri Feb 2 13:35:18 2007 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Fri Feb 2 13:35:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: When rewrite doesn't In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070202193517.GA12017@spoonix.com> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 10:59:32PM -0600, Mike wrote: > Now, let's say that I would rather that directory/subdir be the path to map > instead of just plain ol directory. In that case, I'll replace the above > rule with the following. > > RewriteRule ^/directory/subdir($|/.*) \ > http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/\ > http/{SERVER_NAME}:80/stuff/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_directory/_vh_subdir$1 [L,P] Are you sure that's correct? The "_vh_subdir" part? Shouldn't that just be "subdir", or is there truly a _vh_subdir in the real, physical path? If not, that could explain what's happening. Apache is matching the request, but it is sending back a 404 because the target doesn't exist. Since you told it to proxy the request with the "P" flag, it won't show you the URL it's rewriting to, either... for testing purposes (both to verify that the rewrite is working and that it's sending the browser to the right place) you might want to drop that temporarily. -- K. Spoon From kell at spoonix.com Fri Feb 2 13:41:34 2007 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Fri Feb 2 13:41:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: When rewrite doesn't In-Reply-To: <45C33BDD.6050208@shlrm.org> References: <45C33BDD.6050208@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <20070202194134.GB12017@spoonix.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 07:25:49AM -0600, David Kowis wrote: > Perhaps you need to escape the /'s since it's a regular expression? Just > a guess. Probably wrong since the first one worked. Nah, /'s are just another character to the regex stuff in mod_rewrite. They delimit with whitespace: RewriteRule [flags] -- K. Spoon From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 15:19:20 2007 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Feb 2 15:19:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance In-Reply-To: <45547.131.194.234.45.1170402924.squirrel@mail.quo.com> References: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> <45547.131.194.234.45.1170402924.squirrel@mail.quo.com> Message-ID: <345e55a50702021319h549ffe57o2c2aa66e3542e35f@mail.gmail.com> I'm not really sure about speed issues but I'm just about fed up with 64 bit Linux. I'm running KUbuntu on this box (AMD64) and it is just annoying to not be able to get the third party stuff working on 64-bit. Plus if there are speed issues then why bother with 64 bit for this box. It is basically a desktop machine and a place to keep all my tunes. Greg On 2/2/07, adam@quo.com wrote: > I'm currently running Ubuntu x86_64 on this machine, and have been for > about a year now. In that time, I've noticed that it does seem slow > compared to some of the other systems I work on... Many of them have > inferior hardware, but are running some 32bit linux distro (mostly > Fedora or Debian). A lot of the comparative slowness I see is related to > graphics stuff (AIGLX / Beryl, Games), so I think you might be on to > something. Most 32bit installs just seem snappier, not to mention there > are still a few packages that aren't available in 64bit flavor yet... > > As a note, since I've been running Ubuntu for so long, I've gone through > several upgrades. I believe my original install was Breezy, so I've > dist-upgraded from that to Dapper and then to Edgy. I seriously doubt > that helped my performance any... This system is getting really crufty. :( > > --Adam > > > > I am amazed at what I have recently found. I wish I had hard numbers on > > this, > > but Ubuntu performs remarkably better as x86 than x86_64. Same system, > > same > > specs and everything is better. Memory utilization for the same > > applications is > > incredibly lower. The Nvidia drivers render smoother AIGLX graphics. > > VMWare runs > > smoother. I really feel silly for using x86_64 for at least six months > > now. > > > > The servers that I'm running x86_64 Ubuntu on seem to be doing just fine, > > so I > > wonder if it isn't something to do with something in the graphical side > > that is > > a problem. Has anyone else seen similar results? Thoughts or speculations? > > > > Regards, > > Daniel > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From jtiner at satx.rr.com Fri Feb 2 19:40:26 2007 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (james) Date: Fri Feb 2 19:40:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Training for spam - spamassassin In-Reply-To: <3622.129.111.160.129.1170264359.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <3622.129.111.160.129.1170264359.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1170466826.12794.2.camel@james-desktop> well, i don't have one for cyrus, but if your interested i have one for scalix... On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 11:25 -0600, Thomas King wrote: > Does anyone have a cron job to train spamassassin using sa-learn where you are > also using Cyrus? How do you handle multiple users? Do you point it to each > user's Junk directory? Do you point cron to a script instead? > > Thanks! > Tom King From donguitar at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 20:57:58 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Fri Feb 2 20:58:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form Message-ID: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> Before I relocated my site to a new host I was getting several robot-generated posts to my CGI feedback form each week. I haven't tried to restore the form on the new host because this seemed like the appropriate time to switch to something with a little more robot immunity. I've done some research, with google, but, given access to so many wiser heads (via this superlative list) failing to ask seemed an abuse of resources. I wish to make it as easy as possible for my site visitors to leave feedback while making it as difficult as possible for the robots to obtain information or access the form. I'd be grateful for any suggestions and/or links you'd care to pass on. Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Fri Feb 2 21:47:36 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Fri Feb 2 21:48:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <5839.24.160.132.44.1170474456.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Before I relocated my site to a new host I was getting several > robot-generated posts to my CGI feedback form each week. I haven't tried to > restore the form on the new host because this seemed like the appropriate > time to switch to something with a little more robot immunity. I've done > some research, with google, but, given access to so many wiser heads (via > this superlative list) failing to ask seemed an abuse of resources. I wish > to make it as easy as possible for my site visitors to leave feedback while > making it as difficult as possible for the robots to obtain information or > access the form. > > I'd be grateful for any suggestions and/or links you'd care to pass on. > > Don Crowder > http://www.don-guitar.com Google for 'captcha'. From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Feb 2 23:31:22 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Feb 2 23:32:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: <5839.24.160.132.44.1170474456.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> <5839.24.160.132.44.1170474456.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: At 9:47 PM -0600 2/2/07, Thomas King wrote: > Google for 'captcha'. Google for "captcha considered harmful". It leads to the blog at , which links to a W3C Working Group note: November 29, 2005 W3C: CAPTCHA considered harmful W3C warns that using CAPTCHA on the Web is actually bad idea as it poses problems for those who are blind, have low vision or have a learning disability such as dyslexia. That makes sense. 2005-11-23: The WAI Protocols and Formats Working Group has released Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA: Alternatives to Visual Turing Tests on the Web (see ) as a Working Group Note. Requests for visual verification of a bitmapped image pose problems for those who are blind, have low vision or have a learning disability such as dyslexia. The note examines ways for systems to test for human users while preserving access for users with disabilities. Read about the Web Accessibility Initiative (see ). -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: Papers: LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Feb 3 00:04:30 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Feb 3 00:05:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> <5839.24.160.132.44.1170474456.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: At 11:31 PM -0600 2/2/07, Brad Knowles wrote: >> Google for 'captcha'. > > Google for "captcha considered harmful". It leads to the blog > at , which > links to a W3C Working Group note: Of course, CAPTCHAs can also be a problem for people who are not visually challenged, or have learning disability problems. They can also be just plain unreadable, as highlighted by Erinn Clark at , and which I found via the page at . -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: Papers: LinkedIn Profile: From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Feb 3 01:32:55 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Sat Feb 3 01:33:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <200702030132.55983.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 03 February 2007 00:04, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:31 PM -0600 2/2/07, Brad Knowles wrote: > >> Google for 'captcha'. > > > > Google for "captcha considered harmful". It leads to the blog > > at , which > > links to a W3C Working Group note: > > Of course, CAPTCHAs can also be a problem for people who are not > visually challenged, or have learning disability problems. Hey man! Bots are people too! ;) Tweeks From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Feb 3 03:35:39 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Feb 3 03:36:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: <200702030132.55983.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> <200702030132.55983.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <45C4576B.60001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> tom weeks wrote: > Hey man! Bots are people too! oh, you did NOT just go -there-! NOT! From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat Feb 3 08:26:55 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat Feb 3 08:27:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Training for spam - spamassassin In-Reply-To: <1170466826.12794.2.camel@james-desktop> References: <3622.129.111.160.129.1170264359.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <1170466826.12794.2.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <42997.24.160.132.44.1170512815.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > well, i don't have one for cyrus, but if your interested i have one for > scalix... > > On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 11:25 -0600, Thomas King wrote: >> Does anyone have a cron job to train spamassassin using sa-learn where you are >> also using Cyrus? How do you handle multiple users? Do you point it to each >> user's Junk directory? Do you point cron to a script instead? >> >> Thanks! >> Tom King That'd be fine. I know sa-learn does work on an entire directory, but the cyrus directories have other files in each email folder directory (for lack of better terms), such as index files in each. I don't know if sa-learn will ignore all non-email files. Thanks! From asexton at swbell.net Sat Feb 3 09:34:38 2007 From: asexton at swbell.net (Art Sexton) Date: Sat Feb 3 09:33:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <45C4AB8E.6070702@swbell.net> Check out something like this one: *http://www.notonebit.com/projects/killbot/kbaudio.php This is a captcha with audio as well. That should serve for those with visual issues as well. Art Sexton * Donguitar wrote: > Before I relocated my site to a new host I was getting several > robot-generated posts to my CGI feedback form each week. I haven't tried to > restore the form on the new host because this seemed like the appropriate > time to switch to something with a little more robot immunity. I've done > some research, with google, but, given access to so many wiser heads (via > this superlative list) failing to ask seemed an abuse of resources. I wish > to make it as easy as possible for my site visitors to leave feedback while > making it as difficult as possible for the robots to obtain information or > access the form. > > I'd be grateful for any suggestions and/or links you'd care to pass on. > > Don Crowder > http://www.don-guitar.com > > From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Feb 3 10:40:13 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Feb 3 10:41:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: <45C4AB8E.6070702@swbell.net> References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> <45C4AB8E.6070702@swbell.net> Message-ID: At 9:34 AM -0600 2/3/07, Art Sexton wrote: > Check out something like this one: > *http://www.notonebit.com/projects/killbot/kbaudio.php > > This is a captcha with audio as well. That should serve for those with > visual issues as well. Except if their audio doesn't work, etc.... I'm not at all convinced that CAPTCHA as a concept is a good one. At the very least, I'd recommend that people interested in this concept read the W3C report. Personally, I'm leaning towards simple comment moderation by e-mail, which also passes through all the standard anti-spam filters. Auto-age out and remove any proposed comments that don't get approved by the moderator in a reasonable period of time. This is more work for the moderator, but also a simple mechanism that is much more likely to work in most circumstances. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: Papers: LinkedIn Profile: From dkowis at shlrm.org Sat Feb 3 11:22:26 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sat Feb 3 11:22:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance In-Reply-To: <345e55a50702021319h549ffe57o2c2aa66e3542e35f@mail.gmail.com> References: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> <45547.131.194.234.45.1170402924.squirrel@mail.quo.com> <345e55a50702021319h549ffe57o2c2aa66e3542e35f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C4C4D2.5050407@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Greg Willden wrote: > I'm not really sure about speed issues but I'm just about fed up with > 64 bit Linux. I'm running KUbuntu on this box (AMD64) and it is just > annoying to not be able to get the third party stuff working on > 64-bit. > > Plus if there are speed issues then why bother with 64 bit for this > box. It is basically a desktop machine and a place to keep all my > tunes. > Greg > Heh. I've come to the same conclusion. Although, most of the stuff in my amd64 box works like I want it to, it crashes with annoying regularity. I cant really do anything, because it's not reliable. So, if 32-bit has less death, then that's the way to go for me :) - -- David Kowis www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRcTE0cnf+vRw63ObAQolIwwAiDwBgx7xZFdpzvdo8gyokZcaGcXOeChY NJFm2qUihnQ9yzBlo+bVd/b1d53A5uvRB/aBUlH3R1GuJRrTTG5dfSJtwBJ7Zxy5 hpXzv/jZEgeeGH/9Z6TjVLD2ynCd28draFzcaFdvNq2MP0BcxYsC3CYjWOVs98tS hAQPxkDmrI/GrhshrHHOnasAj04OVZpYjtP0sMDBpU9sdE7gl27vRw4HYIiXtP0i HjgabJDf0K5D8kBsTtJ/kbbkzjRGpoyI56OCcO2YB/b3o81T4LZicLgv7nwsLTEu hnCb6SJOgj9wPARrLageqvReLyXDYnsxMzbeyI5FNbIVAHoL4XnJMrB5y4sFaZjC 3p3ZFeILrv8aX6QGRIJc8DuWKgkWoGmk9yv8EU+dxFzYIuKS1ABfcEQWW5380B4d 4XrQ2UkXm4Hcuf7cBILpwFSxT/8RW1Tjd69voSWB4qyqfuGy308QKXNwgd9n2wRY 19LXLx7kUOkLO80jvyeoo3NlkQXhmmtY =l0SP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Feb 3 11:57:47 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Feb 3 11:58:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: [finders] Ms. Dewey Message-ID: I am forwarding this email intact because of its interesting Content... February 2, 2007: Ms. Dewey http://www.findability.org/archives/000157.php While reading about the Top 100 Alternative Search Engines, I stumbled upon Ms. Dewey. If you haven't tried Ms. Dewey, you should. She's undoubtedly a core element of Microsoft's strategy to kill Google and own search. Strange Connections * Dave's Why Rich slides are worth a look for the rich definitions and examples. * The 2007 NFAIS Annual Conference promises to be a great event for disruptive information professionals. From vern.davis at gmail.com Sat Feb 3 12:38:38 2007 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Sat Feb 3 12:39:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance In-Reply-To: <45C4C4D2.5050407@shlrm.org> References: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> <45547.131.194.234.45.1170402924.squirrel@mail.quo.com> <345e55a50702021319h549ffe57o2c2aa66e3542e35f@mail.gmail.com> <45C4C4D2.5050407@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <5ef09f10702031038p47fa6301u83033e8cc6fe4905@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/07, David Kowis wrote: > > Heh. I've come to the same conclusion. Although, most of the stuff in my > amd64 box works like I want it to, it crashes with annoying regularity. > I cant really do anything, because it's not reliable. So, if 32-bit has > less death, then that's the way to go for me :) > > - -- > David Kowis Well, from the other side of the coin, I just reinstalled this Opteron machine - I went from FC3 x86-64 to FC6 64 bit, and I've (so far) been impressed with how easy it's been. I had many troubles getting ANYTHING to work correctly in FC3, but I think that was partly because not very many developers were using 64 bit machines when FC3 came out. But I had very few problems with reliability running FC3 x86-64. In fact, none. And this machine is up 24/7, except during lightning or power outages. So far, I haven't found anything that doesn't work and/or won't install in FC6 x86-64. That includes DvDStyler which put me through Dependancy Hell trying to get it to work under FC3 64 bit. Next will be "yum install mythtv-suite.x86_64" and ya'll puhleaze keep ya'll's fingers crossed! -- vern.davis@gmail.com From donguitar at gmail.com Sat Feb 3 13:00:06 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Sat Feb 3 13:00:28 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502><45C4AB8E.6070702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <002901c747c5$8729ee30$1108a8c0@dec842502> | Personally, I'm leaning towards simple comment moderation by e-mail, | which also passes through all the standard anti-spam filters. I've never used filtering in my email. I dislike the notion because it doesn't eliminate the problem, it defers the need to deal with it until a time of your choosing but you've still got to deal with it or risk missing email you'd much prefer to have received. Because I spend a great deal of time on the web I've used a lot of captcha forms (without knowing anything about them until now) and I don't mind them but I dislike the fact that some are case sensitive while some are not and there are times when I can't read the characters they're displaying (and very few have a reload button). So, while I can accept such forms as something of a necessary evil I was hoping for another alternative and by raising the specter of "accessibility" you've simplified my choices. Accessibility matters to me. I realize that my site has accessibility issues but I pay attention to the things I understand and can do something about. I stopped writing words in capital letters when a vision impaired friend pointed out that his screen reader spelled out words that appear in caps, rather than reading them. I try to put alt text on all images and I've started adding title text to image links. I think our new host's mail server offers some sort of filtering and I can create an address to be used solely for feedback. Now, if I could just get kmail to run on Windows *sigh*. Thank you gentlemen. If you lived in Buchanan Lake Village, as I do, you'd appreciate what an incredibly valuable resource SATLUG truly is. Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com From ruben50 at gmail.com Sat Feb 3 13:52:30 2007 From: ruben50 at gmail.com (Ruben G. Villanueva) Date: Sat Feb 3 13:52:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Dilbert Message-ID: <3dfab6340702031152y3ba0913elf3c7ac8cc420228a@mail.gmail.com> I thought you guys would enjoy this if you haven't already seen it. http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20071832660125.gif From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Feb 3 14:26:08 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Feb 3 14:28:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: <002901c747c5$8729ee30$1108a8c0@dec842502> References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502><45C4AB8E.6070702@swbell.net> <002901c747c5$8729ee30$1108a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: At 1:00 PM -0600 2/3/07, Donguitar wrote: > I've never used filtering in my email. I dislike the notion because > it doesn't eliminate the problem, it defers the need to deal with > it until a time of your choosing but you've still got to deal with > it or risk missing email you'd much prefer to have received. I wouldn't do it unless I had no other choice. But with 90-99% of e-mail being spam, and getting hundreds of legitimate messages per day, I don't think there is any other practical alternative. Even for people who have much lower volumes of legitimate mail, the fact that 90-99% of all e-mail these days is spam means that virtually everyone is going to have to have some form of filtering in place, even if it's done silently by their provider and they don't know about it. > So, while I can > accept such forms as something of a necessary evil I > was hoping for another alternative and by raising the > specter of "accessibility" you've simplified my choices. There are necessary evils, and then there are solutions that are worse than the disease. Unfortunately, many so-called "solutions" to fighting spam are actually in the latter category, because they were thought up by people who don't understand the real problems, and this is compounded by the fact that they are usually implemented by people who don't fully understand the original concept (flawed as it was). This general problem is equally applicable to other situations where people are trying to prevent the abuse of resources that they have been provided -- such as web forms. > I think our new host's mail server offers some sort > of filtering and I can create an address to be used > solely for feedback. Now, if I could just get kmail > to run on Windows *sigh*. I'm confused. Why is it that you need to run Windows in order to be able to use this feature? I can understand wanting to use a particular MUA, that's not a problem. But why is Windows a factor? -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: Papers: LinkedIn Profile: From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Feb 3 17:34:07 2007 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Sat Feb 3 17:34:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Dilbert In-Reply-To: <3dfab6340702031152y3ba0913elf3c7ac8cc420228a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dfab6340702031152y3ba0913elf3c7ac8cc420228a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C51BEF.6020707@cis.sac.accd.edu> Ruben G. Villanueva wrote: > I thought you guys would enjoy this if you haven't already seen it. > > http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20071832660125.gif > Gotta love it... Steve From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Feb 3 20:31:51 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (dmyhand@suddenlink.net) Date: Sat Feb 3 20:32:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: [finders] Ms. Dewey Message-ID: <27970227.3359891170556311912.JavaMail.root@Web03> ---- Robert Pearson wrote: > I am forwarding this email intact because of its interesting Content... > > If you haven't tried Ms. Dewey, you should. She's undoubtedly a core > element of Microsoft's strategy to kill Google and own search. > If this is a key element in M$ strategy to kill Google and own search then Google has nothing to fear. I was not impressed by what I saw and less by the search results. Just my $00.02. From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Feb 3 20:32:18 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (dmyhand@suddenlink.net) Date: Sat Feb 3 20:32:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: [finders] Ms. Dewey Message-ID: <6692439.3359981170556338938.JavaMail.root@Web03> ---- Robert Pearson wrote: > I am forwarding this email intact because of its interesting Content... > > If you haven't tried Ms. Dewey, you should. She's undoubtedly a core > element of Microsoft's strategy to kill Google and own search. > If this is a key element in From dubose at texas.net Sat Feb 3 20:43:27 2007 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sat Feb 3 20:44:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: [finders] Ms. Dewey In-Reply-To: <6692439.3359981170556338938.JavaMail.root@Web03> References: <6692439.3359981170556338938.JavaMail.root@Web03> Message-ID: <45C5484F.6050906@texas.net> dmyhand@suddenlink.net wrote: > ---- Robert Pearson wrote: > >>I am forwarding this email intact because of its interesting Content... >> >>If you haven't tried Ms. Dewey, you should. She's undoubtedly a core >>element of Microsoft's strategy to kill Google and own search. >> > > > If this is a key element in It won't open in the Konqueror web browser. Walt From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat Feb 3 22:22:08 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat Feb 3 22:22:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> <45C4AB8E.6070702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2468.24.160.132.44.1170562928.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > At 9:34 AM -0600 2/3/07, Art Sexton wrote: > >> Check out something like this one: >> *http://www.notonebit.com/projects/killbot/kbaudio.php >> >> This is a captcha with audio as well. That should serve for those with >> visual issues as well. > > Except if their audio doesn't work, etc.... > > I'm not at all convinced that CAPTCHA as a concept is a good one. At > the very least, I'd recommend that people interested in this concept > read the W3C report. > > > Personally, I'm leaning towards simple comment moderation by e-mail, > which also passes through all the standard anti-spam filters. > Auto-age out and remove any proposed comments that don't get approved > by the moderator in a reasonable period of time. > > This is more work for the moderator, but also a simple mechanism that > is much more likely to work in most circumstances. I'd have to disagree. Using captcha with audio (for those whose audio works) and have another channel (use some creativity to give that small percentage a way to send messages to the moderator) for all those who cannot take advantage of the first two would be best IMO. Just my .02. Enjoy! Tom From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat Feb 3 22:25:20 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat Feb 3 22:25:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance In-Reply-To: <45C4C4D2.5050407@shlrm.org> References: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> <45547.131.194.234.45.1170402924.squirrel@mail.quo.com> <345e55a50702021319h549ffe57o2c2aa66e3542e35f@mail.gmail.com> <45C4C4D2.5050407@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <9456.24.160.132.44.1170563120.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Greg Willden wrote: >> I'm not really sure about speed issues but I'm just about fed up with >> 64 bit Linux. I'm running KUbuntu on this box (AMD64) and it is just >> annoying to not be able to get the third party stuff working on >> 64-bit. >> >> Plus if there are speed issues then why bother with 64 bit for this >> box. It is basically a desktop machine and a place to keep all my >> tunes. >> Greg >> > > Heh. I've come to the same conclusion. Although, most of the stuff in my > amd64 box works like I want it to, it crashes with annoying regularity. > I cant really do anything, because it's not reliable. So, if 32-bit has > less death, then that's the way to go for me :) > > - -- > David Kowis I had personally thought 64-bit would have made a bigger splash than it did for desktop. With 32-bit dual/quad core in the picture, it looks like 64-bit is going to take the back burner for a while longer. From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Feb 4 00:38:43 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Feb 4 00:39:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance In-Reply-To: <9456.24.160.132.44.1170563120.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> <45547.131.194.234.45.1170402924.squirrel@mail.quo.com> <345e55a50702021319h549ffe57o2c2aa66e3542e35f@mail.gmail.com> <45C4C4D2.5050407@shlrm.org> <9456.24.160.132.44.1170563120.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <45C57F73.7020809@rugmonster.org> Thomas King wrote: > I had personally thought 64-bit would have made a bigger splash than it did for > desktop. With 32-bit dual/quad core in the picture, it looks like 64-bit is > going to take the back burner for a while longer. I think the biggest area that 64-bit really pays off is in the high-end server arena where greater memory capacities are called for. Otherwise, there just aren't any substantial performance gains in running an x86_64 chip in 64-bit mode. Where the AMD64's are cool is in their use of hypertransport. I really have to wonder why Intel hasn't started using it, especially with their multicore processors. (No, it's not an AMD specific technology) Thanks for the inputs from everyone. I'm glad to have it confirmed by others and I wasn't having delusions. Unfortunately, I think I ended up buying another gig of memory unnecessarily now that I've gone back to regular x86 Ubuntu. Too bad I don't have any time to game these days. I bet BF2/2142 would run better now that I've got 2GB. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Feb 4 07:19:08 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Feb 4 07:19:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: [finders] Ms. Dewey In-Reply-To: <45C5484F.6050906@texas.net> Message-ID: <200702041319.l14DJ80l001633@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > If this is a key element in > > It won't open in the Konqueror web browser. ...it requires flash 8 which I could never get to work under Linux. Sites that use software that isn't universally available should be boycotted anyway. IMHO Ms Dewey sucks for that reason alone. -b. From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Feb 4 08:33:35 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Feb 4 08:34:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: [finders] Ms. Dewey In-Reply-To: <200702041319.l14DJ80l001633@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200702041319.l14DJ80l001633@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <45C5EEBF.9090903@rugmonster.org> Borries Demeler wrote: > ...it requires flash 8 which I could never get to work under Linux. > Sites that use software that isn't universally available should > be boycotted anyway. Flash 9 is available for Linux. Where do you draw the line at universality, though? Of all things that are generally available among the three major platforms, Flash is definitely one of them. While there can always be a level of graceful degradation, and that should always be strived for, there comes a point where you have to draw a line. After all, it is your choice to use a platform that is only used by ~5% of computer users. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Feb 4 09:19:52 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Feb 4 09:20:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: [finders] Ms. Dewey In-Reply-To: <45C5EEBF.9090903@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <200702041519.l14FJqHm027464@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > ...it requires flash 8 which I could never get to work under Linux. > > Sites that use software that isn't universally available should > > be boycotted anyway. > > Flash 9 is available for Linux. Thanks for pointing this out, I stand corrected! Flash works well now. > Where do you draw the line at universality, though? Of all things that are > generally available among the three major platforms, Flash is definitely one of > them. While there can always be a level of graceful degradation, and that should > always be strived for, there comes a point where you have to draw a line. After > all, it is your choice to use a platform that is only used by ~5% of computer users. I think about the same percentage applies to Macs. I think the line is drawn where people are excluded due to proprietary limitations. If my successful viewing of a page depends on my buying into a proprietary, non-shared and exclusive technology, it should be avoided. If the source code is available, but just has not been ported that is a different matter. I don't want to be forced to buy someone's operating system just so I can view your page, I want a choice. A couple more qualifications: 1. If alternatives are available that are universally functional, they should always be preferred. 2. a developer should not be asked to keep the technology back just in order to stay compatible. But I think in terms of open source software generally the reverse is true. For example: in high performance computing, the cutting edge of message passing libraries, queueing and load balancing software, etc. is all open source, while Microsofts cluster solution is badly trailing and to my knowledge not implemented on a single Teragrid site. And I think most of us would never dream about switching our desktops back to Windows from Linux, Linux is lightyears ahead in functionality, performance, memory management, reliability, security, flexibility, and all the other things that matter to us. -b. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Feb 4 13:23:22 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Sun Feb 4 13:23:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with MythTV In-Reply-To: <20070204063932.3F61343E82C@satlug.org> References: <20070204063932.3F61343E82C@satlug.org> Message-ID: <200702041323.23120.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> I need help with MythTV. I am running elive (debian) and have managed to get it downloaded and installed on my machine using Synaptic. The backend and the front end both come up. My problem is with the set up. Every time I try to run it it tells me that it cant connect to the database. As part of the install I had to download and install MySQL which as far as I can tell is good to go. I am a bit of a noob and have no experience with MySQL so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great. Thanks Todd From hharadon at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 14:03:06 2007 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sun Feb 4 14:03:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re:Ms Dewey Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:19:08 -0600 (CST) > From: Borries Demeler > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: [finders] Ms. Dewey > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: <200702041319.l14DJ80l001633@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > If this is a key element in > > > > It won't open in the Konqueror web browser. > > ...it requires flash 8 which I could never get to work under Linux. > Sites that use software that isn't universally available should > be boycotted anyway. IMHO Ms Dewey sucks for that reason alone. > -b. > > My opinion is that she flunks the fast load test. It seemed to be about 20-30 seconds for the video to load on a 1.5Kbit connection. This is well beyond my 4 seconds of patience. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA Why not get rid of the electoral college? From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Feb 4 17:14:11 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Feb 4 17:14:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Vista Ubun...err Ultimate Message-ID: <45C668C3.5040300@rugmonster.org> How I wish I could do this and pull it off. Definitely worth a look. http://www.degredo.net/ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Feb 4 23:40:03 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Sun Feb 4 23:40:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with MythTV In-Reply-To: <200702041323.23120.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> References: <20070204063932.3F61343E82C@satlug.org> <200702041323.23120.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <200702042340.03638.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 04 February 2007 13:23, toddwbucy wrote: > I need help with MythTV. I am running elive (debian) and have managed to > get it downloaded and installed on my machine using Synaptic. The backend > and the front end both come up. My problem is with the set up. Every time > I try to run it it tells me that it cant connect to the database. Configure it to connect using 127.0.0.1 instead of the public NIC. > As part > of the install I had to download and install MySQL which as far as I can > tell is good to go. I am a bit of a noob and have no experience with MySQL > so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great. Also.. run "netstat -ant | grep 3306" to see what it's bound to. If you NEED another frontend to hit it then you'll want MySQL to bind to it (and poke appropriate holes). Tweeks From mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 09:00:01 2007 From: mk.spacecowboy at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Mon Feb 5 09:00:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Python/Python-Devel Update Conflict In-Reply-To: <45C2F328.8040807@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <2d1185c80701301226i460b3119kb309f6b42c1d41ab@mail.gmail.com> <2d1185c80701301634u1c276f8kfa3fddf842d4f6f7@mail.gmail.com> <41277.131.194.234.45.1170204263.squirrel@mail.quo.com> <2d1185c80701301740p3157b154w5f95cd22e5289e43@mail.gmail.com> <51596.131.194.234.45.1170208686.squirrel@mail.quo.com> <2d1185c80701301844k33a3a7acuc275aa35eb003964@mail.gmail.com> <45C006CE.5070204@rugmonster.org> <2d1185c80701302043g6805de35jb8aee2795a0f2330@mail.gmail.com> <45C2F328.8040807@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <2d1185c80702050700v1ad96107p7844e35001f4fcf0@mail.gmail.com> Charles, When I ran that command, yum didn't find anything corresponding to python.i386. Could not find update match for python.i386 No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion [root@localhost ~]# On 2/2/07, Charles Hogan wrote: > > Matt, > > Have you tried to run: > yum update python.i386 > > The same version number of python and python-devel are in the update tree. > > Matt Kinsel wrote: > > You're right, Daniel. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I > > shouldn't need it, so I removed it, and every now and then I'll try > > reinstalling it - see if they've gotten the bug fixed. Alrighty, > thanks! > > > > On 1/30/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > >> > >> Matt Kinsel wrote: > >> > Well, it looks like we're back to square one. Anybody else have any > >> > advice? > >> > >> How about just removing python-devel? If you're compiling source that > >> needs the > >> python development headers, then you need it. Otherwise, it should be > >> necessary. > >> See what happens when you try to get rid of it. Look at what it says it > >> needs to > >> remove and if it's a bunch of -devel stuff and you don't regularly > >> compile > >> stuff > >> from scratch, then I would remove it. > >> > >> ...OR... > >> > >> Wait a couple of days for the dependency to get fixed. Obviously, you > >> aren't the > >> only person in the world running Fedora and it is highly unlikely that > >> you're > >> the only one to have this problem. File a bug report if you want, but > >> it's > >> probably going to get worked out shortly. > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From gwillden at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 10:01:21 2007 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Mon Feb 5 10:01:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> <45C4AB8E.6070702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <345e55a50702050801m2b59c8f9scb98f0e60a7c65c7@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/07, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 9:34 AM -0600 2/3/07, Art Sexton wrote: > > > Check out something like this one: > > *http://www.notonebit.com/projects/killbot/kbaudio.php > > > > This is a captcha with audio as well. That should serve for those with > > visual issues as well. > > Except if their audio doesn't work, etc.... What are you talking about? A visually impaired person whose audio doesn't work? Just how are they using the computer then? By Jedi intuition or something? Now if someone is both deaf and blind then that's different. They could interact with a braile keyboard/screen reader and that would be a problem for them if you use CAPTCHAs. Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Mon Feb 5 10:10:38 2007 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Mon Feb 5 10:11:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: <345e55a50702050801m2b59c8f9scb98f0e60a7c65c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In a perfect world, I too would hate CAPTCHAs. However, administrating a blog that has just moderate traffic, I find myself deleting about 20 comments per day and that is WITH CAPTCHAs. Without them, I was getting hundreds per day. I even have certain words banned from the comments section (it is a real estate blog so I see no reason for someone to comment using the word viagra for instance). Most of the comments I end up deleting are ones that I would have a hard time finding ways to ban, such as spam for mortgage loans which could be relevant on a real estate blog. Anyway, the blog software I am using has a RBL for comments and CAPTCHAs and that much still gets through. So I completely understand when I am asked to deal with them. My suggestion would be to use audio if available and to give the person a way around the CAPTCHA, such as sending you an email to post as a comment. Just my 2 cents, but anyone who has a better idea about how to solve this issue I would love to hear it. Art Sexton ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Mon Feb 5 10:48:35 2007 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Mon Feb 5 10:49:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow...Digg is right on this topic today. Here is an interesting approach: Here's an interesting thought. The flip side of "prove you aren't a robot," is "prove you are human." Though it's no easier to prove, at least it places the onus of proof on the spam bot and not your human guests. It's subtle, but there's a philisophical difference between requiring people to do something that is difficult for a machine, versus asking the machine to do what a real human will do naturally. Damien Katz writes about one way to approach this problem with the use of CSS. It's a neat idea, instead of asking the user to prove he's human, it instead tricks the spam bot into revealing it's a bot. It does this with a email field that is hidden from the user by CSS. When a human user fills out the form, the hidden field will always be blank. But when filled out by a spam bot, it doesn't know the field is supposed to be hidden, so it adds a bogus email address and submits the form. When the back-end code sees the email in the posting, it knows the email was filled in by a bot and ignores the whole submission. It's not perfect-this won't stop custom-coded spam attacks-but it does kill some of the automated, roving, spider-based comment spam. Working negative captcha methods into a dynamic changing-key system (much like current captcha but transparent to your human users) is the obvious next step, and I bet we'll be seeing (or should I say "not seeing") stuff like this very soon. - Link. The original site at http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/02/negative_captcha.html?CMP= OTC-7G2N43923558 is probably down from the digg effect, but you can read this as well on the mirror at http://duggmirror.com/programming/Negative_Captcha Interesting... Art Sexton ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Feb 5 12:49:18 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Feb 5 12:57:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: <345e55a50702050801m2b59c8f9scb98f0e60a7c65c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <006901c7473f$1d459680$1108a8c0@dec842502> <45C4AB8E.6070702@swbell.net> <345e55a50702050801m2b59c8f9scb98f0e60a7c65c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 10:01 AM -0600 2/5/07, Greg Willden wrote: >> Except if their audio doesn't work, etc.... > > What are you talking about? > A visually impaired person whose audio doesn't work? > Just how are they using the computer then? I know some people who are severely visually challenged, but not completely blind. However, they also have some hearing issues. They do use a screen, but it's the biggest CRT that money can buy (27" or bigger), and it's set for 640x480 resolution, and even that is very tiring to use for long periods of time -- especially since they need very high contrast in order to be able to see the characters, so most of the time they're working in B&W mode. I think a visual CAPTCHA in that environment would not be likely to work very well. Of course, they'd have issues with the audio CAPTCHA, too. Moreover, tests have shown that even simple audio tests are frequently failed by a large portion of the populace, so I'm not sure it's a good baseline to begin with. > Now if someone is both deaf and blind then that's different. They > could interact with a braile keyboard/screen reader and that would be > a problem for them if you use CAPTCHAs. Screen readers would definitely be a problem. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: Papers: LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Feb 5 12:55:23 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Feb 5 12:57:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Seeking robot immunity in my feedback form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:10 AM -0600 2/5/07, Sexton, Art, ISD wrote: > Just my 2 cents, but anyone who has a better idea about how to solve > this issue I would love to hear it. This problem is just another form of abuse, and I have written a six-part article on the current "best practices" for fighting spam to be published on the LOPSA.org website. I'll be glad to share a copy with you, if you agree to give me feedback. For blogs with comments, I think the best solution is to simply not allow comments at all. If others want to post comments on their own blog, they should feel free to do that, but they should not feel that they need to be allowed to post their comment on your blog. Failing that, you clearly have to moderate all comments by default, and then after a given commenter has proven that they are clueful, you can allow them to be approved by default -- until such time as they demonstrate that they should have that privilege revoked. You could further ease your burden by using black lists of certain words that cannot be used, certain IP addresses that are not allowed to post, requiring that people have accounts with your system before they are allowed to post, etc.... More common systems like Slashdot, Engadget, Gizmodo, Lifehacker, Metafilter, etc... have all worked out these issues pretty well, and none of them require CAPTCHAs. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: Papers: LinkedIn Profile: From realmcking at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 16:18:57 2007 From: realmcking at gmail.com (Mark McCoy) Date: Mon Feb 5 16:19:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Vista Ubun...err Ultimate In-Reply-To: <45C668C3.5040300@rugmonster.org> References: <45C668C3.5040300@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: On 2/4/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > How I wish I could do this and pull it off. Definitely worth a look. > > http://www.degredo.net/ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Excellent..... -- Mark McCoy -- Professional Unix geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Feb 5 16:53:16 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Feb 5 16:53:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: MySQL y. Oracle Message-ID: <7c485e14c55c4346b8ef2f401e02b103.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Forbes.com has an interesting article " Open Source Crowd Turns on One of It's Own" reporting that Finish company Innobase (purchased by Oracle) provides a key piece of software used by My SQL and that next time My SQL needs to renew it's license (with Innobase) they'll have to deal Oracle. From e2eiod at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 09:42:13 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Tue Feb 6 09:42:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Good Read On Time-Warner RoadRunner Service Message-ID: FYI... Source article with service comparison chart at: Today, February 06, 2007, only: <> After today it will be by date under: <> "My cable modem is SLOW. My DSL line is SLOW" -- Part 2: And the winner for the fastest Internet broadband connection is the lucky fellow who's got Verizon's fiber optic FIOS service, only $99.95 a month. For more on FIOS, <> The second best is CableVision cable modem. The rest of us on cable modems (mostly RoadRunner) get pretty well the same standard semi-quick service. Things I learned from this unscientific study:" See source article for national service comparison by User Self Report and Time Warner's claims to improving service. IMHO, from looking at the chart it appears that the Broadband service providers are screwing the Users (taxpayers) while receiving enormous benefits from the government to build out the Broadband infrastructure for the government and business. A "slowly" wired nation seems to be their goal. Are they crying all the way to the bank? From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Feb 6 13:19:50 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Feb 6 13:15:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Good Read On Time-Warner RoadRunner Service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C8D4D6.7090501@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Robert Pearson wrote: > FYI... > > Source article with service comparison chart at: > Today, February 06, 2007, only: > <> > After today it will be by date under: > <> > > "My cable modem is SLOW. My DSL line is SLOW" -- Part 2: And the > winner for the fastest Internet broadband connection is the lucky > fellow who's got Verizon's fiber optic FIOS service, only $99.95 a > month. For more on FIOS, > <> > Uhm where did these quotes come from. I couldn't find the part 2. And DEAR GOD DON'T BUY VERIZON. Their TOS is evil. You cannot run your server at home. You can only use their mailserver. And there's NOTHING you can do about it. ATT's got a similar service, I'm a FTTH customer of ATT and I couldn't be happier. They offer lots cheaper than 99 a month. I'm paying about that for 5 static IPs and 6mbit down/2.5mbit up. The fastest they offer currently. > The second best is CableVision cable modem. The rest of us on cable > modems (mostly RoadRunner) get pretty well the same standard > semi-quick service. Things I learned from this unscientific study:" > > See source article for national service comparison by User Self Report > and Time Warner's claims to improving service. > > IMHO, from looking at the chart it appears that the Broadband service > providers are screwing the Users (taxpayers) while receiving enormous > benefits from the government to build out the Broadband infrastructure > for the government and business. > A "slowly" wired nation seems to be their goal. > Are they crying all the way to the bank? Yeah the US' internet for consumers is pretty bad compared to some other places in the world. It's getting better tho. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQGVAwUBRcjU1snf+vRw63ObAQq/AQv+ImFHEqPvG4jl9DDRo1isjkOpS1luIebu uiQSc+htHjiSA0sgqphBUq0oY4dEjxJ6lSMgAOnetvbzsuC3xPYBaWdWeCVpJWft Km7WAhPpx2a7po6vqn/3wVOlJPecXkbReOwWvRK5jhik4eXKb13guOQY4IbB03R0 st54xZiTvLPGMnyiO5VNMwOWI0coMbARqRZRpAEG+dTbnvmaGz5h3Z6v6dvQ5IA0 mByEjT5zH6HgeAOQG4yJENFbk69fZj6KqU5Ems8b1crKZNZM06eyzW7uc1iG9tRk pNAe4dkvrx4xNB0lbr7BycL7H3lLJog8De+F+9Fsl5X4AnIc2V6kLL03fC9LJJS+ lSS9G6G8NrUlZxXT3JjZudlW4+eEt2oy889TZMTnKIcu0IoxFDayeM4pwlzGiyJf 2x/YKYLSU7lwF6bwJT+K485FCwA7Z4E+tw3P25RiYv655uO9lDFSiHElqvtrntLb i/2CXnd/WeV7xdqP2RUrBBVPPz6KK3x2 =wS/D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Feb 6 18:48:54 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Feb 6 18:49:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Siberian prison time for MS Windows use??? Message-ID: <200702070048.l170msNw011846@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I found this in today's NYTimes - isn't this a bit extreme? Now I do understand software piracy, but why on earth would anyone want this teacher to spend prison time in Siberia - isn't having to deal with Windows punishment enough? Hmmm.... ***************************************************************************** Microsoft Spurns Appeal to Intervene in Russian Piracy Case By THOMAS CRAMPTON Published: February 6, 2007 PARIS, Feb. 5 - Microsoft rebuffed a public appeal by Mikhail Gorbachev on Monday for its chairman, Bill Gates, to intervene on behalf of a Russian school principal charged with software piracy. The case of the teacher, Aleksandr Ponosov, has drawn wide public attention in Russia, in part because the principal says he innocently purchased computers with the unauthorized Windows software already installed. Praising Russia's enforcement of intellectual property rights, Microsoft sought to distance itself from the prosecution in a statement issued by its public relations agency in London. "Mr. Ponosov's case is a criminal case and as such was initiated and investigated by the public prosecutor's office in Russia," said Microsoft, whose European operations are based in Paris. "We are sure that the Russian courts will make a fair decision." "We do respect the Russian government's position on the importance of protecting intellectual property rights." Much of the personal computer software in use in Russia is obtained illicitly, according to groups like the Business Software Alliance, whose members include Microsoft. Many consumers complain that they cannot afford expensive commercial software on Eastern European salaries. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia condemned the prosecution last week at his annual news conference. "To grab someone for buying a computer somewhere and start threatening him with prison is complete nonsense, simply ridiculous," Mr. Putin said. "The law recognizes the concept of someone who purchased the product in good faith." Mr. Gorbachev, former leader of the Soviet Union and a Nobel Peace Prize winner, said Mr. Ponosov, a school principal in a village in the Urals, risked imprisonment in a Siberian camp for using unlicensed Windows software that he said was preinstalled on the computers. "The teacher, who has dedicated his life to the education of children and who receives a modest salary that does not bear comparison with the salaries of even regular staff in your company, is threatened with detention in Siberian prison camps," Mr. Gorbachev wrote to Mr. Gates in a letter posted on www.gorby.ru, the Web site of Mr. Gorbachev's charitable foundation. The letter urged Mr. Gates to "show indulgence and to drop the claims against the principal." Sophia Kishkovsky contributed reporting from Moscow. From satlugacct at jchampion.com Tue Feb 6 20:01:22 2007 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Tue Feb 6 20:03:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Siberian prison time for MS Windows use??? In-Reply-To: <200702070048.l170msNw011846@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <000001c74a5b$f2014f80$6602a8c0@Blackhole4> -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Borries Demeler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:49 PM To: Satlug Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Siberian prison time for MS Windows use??? I found this in today's NYTimes - isn't this a bit extreme? Now I do understand software piracy, but why on earth would anyone want this teacher to spend prison time in Siberia - isn't having to deal with Windows punishment enough? Hmmm.... **************************************************************************** * Microsoft Spurns Appeal to Intervene in Russian Piracy Case By THOMAS CRAMPTON Published: February 6, 2007 PARIS, Feb. 5 - Microsoft rebuffed a public appeal by Mikhail Gorbachev on Monday for its chairman, Bill Gates, to intervene on behalf of a Russian school principal charged with software piracy. The case of the teacher, Aleksandr Ponosov, has drawn wide public attention in Russia, in part because the principal says he innocently purchased computers with the unauthorized Windows software already installed. Praising Russia's enforcement of intellectual property rights, Microsoft sought to distance itself from the prosecution in a statement issued by its public relations agency in London. "Mr. Ponosov's case is a criminal case and as such was initiated and investigated by the public prosecutor's office in Russia," said Microsoft, whose European operations are based in Paris. "We are sure that the Russian courts will make a fair decision." "We do respect the Russian government's position on the importance of protecting intellectual property rights." Much of the personal computer software in use in Russia is obtained illicitly, according to groups like the Business Software Alliance, whose members include Microsoft. Many consumers complain that they cannot afford expensive commercial software on Eastern European salaries. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia condemned the prosecution last week at his annual news conference. "To grab someone for buying a computer somewhere and start threatening him with prison is complete nonsense, simply ridiculous," Mr. Putin said. "The law recognizes the concept of someone who purchased the product in good faith." Mr. Gorbachev, former leader of the Soviet Union and a Nobel Peace Prize winner, said Mr. Ponosov, a school principal in a village in the Urals, risked imprisonment in a Siberian camp for using unlicensed Windows software that he said was preinstalled on the computers. "The teacher, who has dedicated his life to the education of children and who receives a modest salary that does not bear comparison with the salaries of even regular staff in your company, is threatened with detention in Siberian prison camps," Mr. Gorbachev wrote to Mr. Gates in a letter posted on www.gorby.ru, the Web site of Mr. Gorbachev's charitable foundation. The letter urged Mr. Gates to "show indulgence and to drop the claims against the principal." Sophia Kishkovsky contributed reporting from Moscow. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) And this is what happens when governments abide by the silly copyright laws that are extended to commercial software. It is such a racquet. I feel for the guy I really do. But Bill Gates is going to get his pound of flesh from some silly sap who tried to do the right thing. I know there is a spot in one of the lower circles of hell for Blll Gates and others who force these ridiculous laws down the whole world's throat. From hstreit at xramp.com Wed Feb 7 14:57:33 2007 From: hstreit at xramp.com (Hollen Streit) Date: Wed Feb 7 14:57:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] PHP Web Developer Wanted Message-ID: <45CA3D3D.50109@xramp.com> Hi guys! I've recently joined Xramp Security and we're expanding our existing website. We're looking for a PHP Web Developer (Fulltime). As I'm not one to forget my roots, I figured I'd post here first. (My apologies for posting to the main list, rather than Satlug-etc). If you're in the San Antonio area and have a few years of PHP under your belt with a knack for security issues feel free to respond! There's a job description on Dice.com if you'd like more info. http://tinyurl.com/yoatgo -- H.F. Streit, Senior Security Administrator, XRamp Security, Inc. From herbc at txcyber.com Wed Feb 7 19:30:50 2007 From: herbc at txcyber.com (Herb) Date: Wed Feb 7 19:30:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Newbe help Wanted for Help In-Reply-To: <45CA3D3D.50109@xramp.com> References: <45CA3D3D.50109@xramp.com> Message-ID: <45CA7D4A.7070205@txcyber.com> Hello all, I joined this list when I was waiting for a FC-6 disto. Got it and I am thrilled. I tried 3 times in the past 10 yrs to learn how to use Linux in the casual manner I have become accustomed to going from DOS 6.2 to Win 3.1.... I am still using Win-ME as I learn to use Fedora-Linux. I bought a new 82Gig HD used my older P-III 1.1mz, 256mem for the box. I have already noodled around in the Gnone GUI. I now have the network Hub running between the Lin-box and Win-box. I have some sort of problem with the brand new Lucent 56K dialup PCI modem. I am reading about the Win-Lin-modem issue so I will learn about that. I have what i think is a non-Win-modem,-3-com/US Robo Modem, so I may try it after i understand the issue. I went to the archives and am reading back mail. it is helpful and I am glad to be here. The bothersome and only other issue that I am aware of is when I try to run help from where I am it reports error: ... "launching the default command application associated with this location". So I need to know how to fix this in order to use Help specific to a problem I hope. I am ok with command line but do not yet understand the structure used in the Linux string. I do build my own boxes but do not consider myself a tech, nor am i a programmer, I am a retired artist. I intend to desigh art objects for the Virtual world (2L) and hope to use Gimp and Open Office to replace Corel Office and PhotoShop. I have already set up a user account and transferred all my working document /graphic files over to the Lin-box. I know how to open other terminal windows to switch to root and back to user so I really on the way to 'happy camper'. In spite of the baying of the blood hounds I believe I have made my escape from Vista. Thanks Herb From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 00:02:45 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Thu Feb 8 00:03:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a dump? Message-ID: Yes I'm talking about backups. In the past all my backups have been manually to CD or DVD. Now I'm interested in something that can be automated and incrementally backed up to an external HD. I've been reading and reading. The more traditional utilities appear to be dump and tar. Recently I have stumbled across rsync. How do you backup info to HD's? -- ::twistedPickles:: : From luis at luisgarza.com Thu Feb 8 01:29:43 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Thu Feb 8 02:48:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a dump? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1525.192.168.2.1.1170919783.squirrel@luisgarza.com> I personally like cpio for backups. Please remember, that your backup is only is as good as your ability to restore. Now know that being said, for cpio backups and restores: cd /directory find . | cpio -ocvB > /dev/tape To restore: cd /directory cpio -icvdumB < /dev/tape cpio copy out options: -o : copy out -c : SVR4 (compatibility) -v : verbose -B : blocking size 5120 cpio restore options -i : copy in -c : SVR4 (compatibility) -v : verbose -d : make directories -u : unconditional -m : preserve modification time -B : blocking size 5120 To do incremental backups, do the first level backup as follows: cd /filesystem find . | cpio -ocvB > /dev/tape 2> /var/log/backup Incremental use: cp /var/log/backup /var/log/backup.`date %F` cd /filesystem find . -newer /var/log/backup | cpio -ocvB > /dev/tape 2> /var/log/backup ========================================================================= Using dump and restore is very good at doing incremental backups and restores. But it can be a bit tricky. To backup: dump -0uvf /dev/tape /filesystem -0 : 0 level backup (full backup) -u : updates /etc/dumpdates file (very important when restoring filesystems) -v : verbose -f : write backup to file (/dev/tape) /filesystem(s) : /directories to be dumped Dump backups up relative to the filesystem's root directory. So to restore you MUST be in the root mount point directory of the filesystem!!! cd /filesystem restore -rvf /dev/tape -r : restore -v : verbose -f : dump file If you want to restore a specific file or to verify the backup, please let me know. twistedpickles wrote: > Yes I'm talking about backups. In the past all my backups have been > manually to CD or DVD. Now I'm interested in something that can be > automated and incrementally backed up to an external HD. > > I've been reading and reading. The more traditional utilities appear > to be dump and tar. Recently I have stumbled across rsync. > > How do you backup info to HD's? > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Luis Garza www.luisgarza.com luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Feb 8 02:49:07 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Feb 8 02:53:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a dump? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:02 AM -0600 2/8/07, twistedpickles wrote: > I've been reading and reading. The more traditional utilities appear > to be dump and tar. Recently I have stumbled across rsync. > > How do you backup info to HD's? What are you looking for? Typically, dump is a filesystem-level backup, and vendors have had to make modifications to the code to support their local peculiarities in their OS. But tar and cpio are file-based backup tools, and more cross-platform. Problem is, dump tends to know how to deal with problems like sparse files, which tar and cpio don't. Of course, they each have their own set of problems when you're trying to backup a live filesystem. Which leads us to the issue of snapshots -- if you can take a filesystem or volume snapshot, it's a lot easier to back that up via whatever mechanism you want. Tools like rsync are much more useful if you're doing a sync or a backup to a remote system. The canonical book in this field is "Unix Backup and Recovery" by Curtis W. Preston. However, that's out of print, and is being replaced by "Backup and Recovery", which covers a lot more OSes. See for more info. Disclosure: Curtis is a former co-worker of mine, and I've been an uncredited technical reviewer of some of his books. But when it comes to backup and recovery, there's no one who knows the business better, or that I trust more. There's some good stuff on backup & recovery that has taken place on the sage-members mailing list, and the archives are publicly searchable. There are also some good white papers and some good conference presentations that are archived and publicly available at the USENIX web site. The search box at will include the archives of the mailing list, and the search box at will include the conference proceedings. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: Papers: LinkedIn Profile: From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Feb 8 06:31:55 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Feb 8 06:32:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a dump? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CB183B.9060501@rugmonster.org> twistedpickles wrote: > Yes I'm talking about backups. In the past all my backups have been > manually to CD or DVD. Now I'm interested in something that can be > automated and incrementally backed up to an external HD. > > I've been reading and reading. The more traditional utilities appear > to be dump and tar. Recently I have stumbled across rsync. > > How do you backup info to HD's? My at-home strategy: I have a file server that has an external hard drive connected to it. I share the external hd via NFS and mount that share on my other systems. I use a combination of dar and bzSarab to do incremental weekly rotating system backups of directories like /etc, /boot, /opt, /var, /usr/local. Basically, I back up the stuff that keeps the stuff I bring to the system that couldn't be retrieved from packages again. I use mysqlhotcopy and the hot-backup.py to backup my MySQL databases and SVN repositories to a directory which is archived by dar. If I could change one thing, it would be to use LVM filesystem snapshots and get rid of mysqlhotcopy and hot-backup.py completely. Unfortunately, when I setup my home server, I didn't leave any free space and used XFS for my fs type, so I can't shrink the logical volumes. My homedirs are backed up via rsync. I run rsync twice in my script. First, it scans for files that should be deleted from the archive and emails me the results, then on the second pass copies the new and modified files. I don't want rsync deleting files just in case I accidentally deleted something. I started doing backups because I did an rm -rf /dir when the command should have been rm -rf /dir/subdir. Every once and a while, I'll run my backup-del script which runs rsync with the delete flag. The reason I use rsync for the homedirs is for sake of size. I don't so much care about archives of the homedirs, but I suppose I could do a monthly DVD-RW rotating archive if I wanted to. I mainly just want to be able to copy crap back over quickly with my homedir stuff. The reason I do the incremental backup archives with dar for the system is in case I do something and don't catch it for a few days. That's much more likely to happen outside of my homedir. Back to the system, since I run a Debian based distro, I dump out a formatted package list to a file on the backup hd so that I can do a little dpkg import magic and get all of the same packages re-installed. Between using the package list to reinstall the packages, restoring the dar archives and copying the homedirs back over, I can have my system back up in nearly identical form in less than two hours. If you need faster recovery, then you could look at full system backups with dar. Then it would just be a matter of boot from a livecd and restoring the files across the network/from tape/etc. If you would like to see my scripts, I can put them up on my server to share. DAR http://dar.linux.free.fr/ bzSarab http://trac.bzzzrk.org/bzzzrk/bzsarab <--- Download link on page seem broken. I have a copy of the latest lurking on one my systems. I can dig it up if anyone wants it. ~Daniel From cnystrom at newio.org Thu Feb 8 07:34:59 2007 From: cnystrom at newio.org (Chris Nystrom) Date: Thu Feb 8 07:35:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a dump? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7295d5d0702080534v7fa1e48ehc6be026e509bbde3@mail.gmail.com> On 2/8/07, twistedpickles wrote: > Yes I'm talking about backups. In the past all my backups have been > manually to CD or DVD. Now I'm interested in something that can be > automated and incrementally backed up to an external HD. > > I've been reading and reading. The more traditional utilities appear > to be dump and tar. Recently I have stumbled across rsync. You might try Amanda (http://www.amanda.org/). Chris -- E-Mail: Chris Nystrom Saving the world from web programming. http://www.newio.org/ - AIM: nystromchris From cjs at cjs226.com Thu Feb 8 10:39:10 2007 From: cjs at cjs226.com (Clif Smith) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:39:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a dump? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1ea252fb0702080839o24855e5di10b6f0c0685685a0@mail.gmail.com> I dig rsnapshot which uses a combination of rsync and hard links to provide point in time snapshots without duplicating data. http://www.rsnapshot.org/ cjs On 2/8/07, twistedpickles wrote: > > Yes I'm talking about backups. In the past all my backups have been > manually to CD or DVD. Now I'm interested in something that can be > automated and incrementally backed up to an external HD. > > I've been reading and reading. The more traditional utilities appear > to be dump and tar. Recently I have stumbled across rsync. > > How do you backup info to HD's? > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From rct at gherkin.frus.com Thu Feb 8 11:12:39 2007 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:13:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a dump? In-Reply-To: "from twistedpickles at Feb 8, 2007 00:02:45 am" Message-ID: <20070208171239.19FECDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> twistedpickles wrote: > How do you backup info to HD's? Someone has probably written a pretty proggie to handle it, but you have all the pieces at your disposal to roll your own without getting too fancy. My example will use "cpio" because I'm both hopelessly old-fashioned, and come from an AT&T UN*X background. Assuming a destination disk of greater-than-or-equal size compared to the source disk, set up partitions equivalent to what's on the source disk. When it's time to make the backup, mount your "mirror" partitions relative to something like "/mnt/b" where "b" represents the backup "/" partition on the destination disk. One possibility for a quick and dirty scheme might look something like this: for fs in `mount | cut -f3 -d' ' | egrep -v '/proc|/sys|/dev|/mnt/b'` do cd $fs # # replace leading '/' with './' # (yes, this works for the root fs too) # mpd=`echo $fs | sed 's,/,\./,'` find . -xdev -print | cpio -pdlvm /mnt/b/$mpd done Depending on your disk layout and the amount of data involved, it's probably not worth the effort to worry about "full" vs. "incremental" backups. You want automation? Run the whole shebang out of cron. Less verbosity? Substitute '-V' for '-v' in the cpio arglist, or omit it entirely. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Feb 8 13:50:58 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Feb 8 13:51:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a =?UTF-8?Q?dump=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1ea252fb0702080839o24855e5di10b6f0c0685685a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ea252fb0702080839o24855e5di10b6f0c0685685a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d6b0c7bb13a5c699c053230d3ce811c@rugmonster.org> On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:39:10 -0600, "Clif Smith" wrote: > I dig rsnapshot which uses a combination of rsync and hard links to provide > point in time snapshots without duplicating data. That would be pretty nice for my homedir and media storage backups. I love that there are so many options for backups. That's one thing that the *nix world has over Windows, unless you want to spend lots of money. I still like dar/bzSarab for the system backups because the archives are compressed. If I'm going to need those, I can wait for them to be decompressed and increments combined. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 14:52:13 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Feb 8 14:52:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux on the XV6700 pocketpc phone Message-ID: <231103.93482.qm@web55609.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Anyone ever read/tried to install Linux on one of these? -Alex ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Feb 8 15:14:00 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Feb 8 15:14:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux on the XV6700 pocketpc phone In-Reply-To: <231103.93482.qm@web55609.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <231103.93482.qm@web55609.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 12:52 PM -0800 2/8/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > Anyone ever read/tried to install Linux on one of > these? I'm not finding much with Google on this combination. One post I found indicates that Damn Small Linux can be installed, but I'm not finding anything on the DSL page which specifies what the hardware requirements are, or even a supported hardware page, etc.... Most of the rest of the pages I've found with Google appear to be talking about Linux and the XV6700 on the same page, but in the context of using the phone as a modem for the computer, etc.... I know that one of the best supported portable Linux platforms right now is the HP iPaq hx4700, in part because HP (ne? Compaq) has been a big outright supporter of Linux on their hardware. It's easiest to reflash and install internally on the device, but you can also install it on a CompactFlash or SecureDigital card and then boot from Windows Mobile via HaRET. Of course, I'm a little biased since I actively support Linux development on this platform, and I own three or four hx4700s, of which one is in my hands for me to play with, and the others are in the hands of various Linux kernel developers -- including two of the most frequent contributors to the handhelds.org mailing lists and website. I found another page at that talks about using HaRET to boot Himalaya Linux on the XDA. And they do have an HTC Apache/XV6700 specific page at , which you may be particularly interested in. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: Papers: LinkedIn Profile: From jhammer at accd.edu Thu Feb 8 16:33:28 2007 From: jhammer at accd.edu (John Hammer) Date: Thu Feb 8 16:33:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu and Linspire Message-ID: <45CBA538.5010508@accd.edu> Just saw this in the Houston Chronicle web site: The Linux distribution family tree grew a little more complicated with today's announcement of a technology sharing agreement between Canonical (Ubuntu's commercial sponsor) and Linspire. I'll try to explain this as simply as possible. First there was Debian, legendary among Linux distributions for its flexibility, software package management system and commitment to free software principles. Linspire came along later and built a user-friendly Linux distribution with Debian at its core. Some time later Ubuntu came into being. It built upon Debian as well but cleaned things up a bit and added some of the latest and greatest open source software packages to the mix. This -- along with an appealing project philosophy, dynamic leader and a predictable, six-month upgrade cycle -- shot Ubuntu to the top of the Linux popularity charts. Starting today, these relationships get even more confusing. Linspire and Canonical, Inc. have announced a partnership that will result in core technology being shared between the two operating systems. Future versions of Linspire will be built upon Ubuntu instead of Debian. This gives Linspire users the advantage of Debian's core and Ubuntu's regular updates. The great work started by the Debian team remains at the core of everything. This is good news for Linspire fans and good news for Ubuntu evangelists like myself. Perhaps the most interesting component of the deal is the fact that Ubuntu users will gain access to the Linspire CNR (Click 'N Run) e-commerce and software delivery system. This system is a sort of pay-as-you-go version of Debian/Ubuntu's apt-get package management that will allow users to install commercial software, drivers and codecs with the click of a mouse. Free Software puritans will cringe at this development but realists are more likely to view the model as offering the best of both worlds. Ubuntu users won't be required to install non-free software but those who want the power, stability, security and freedom of Ubuntu enhanced with a few commercial software packages will be free to do so. That is true freedom in my opinion. We should see the first Ubuntu-based Linspire distributions this quarter. Ubuntu users will get access to Linspire's CNR in April's 7.04 release. John Hammer From sbender at satx.rr.com Thu Feb 8 17:16:24 2007 From: sbender at satx.rr.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:13:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu and Linspire In-Reply-To: <45CBA538.5010508@accd.edu> References: <45CBA538.5010508@accd.edu> Message-ID: <45CBAF48.5040408@satx.rr.com> John Hammer wrote: > Just saw this in the Houston Chronicle web site: > > > > The Linux distribution family tree grew a little more complicated > with today's announcement of a technology sharing agreement between > Canonical (Ubuntu's commercial sponsor) and Linspire. I'll try to > explain this as simply as possible. > > First there was Debian, legendary among Linux distributions for > its flexibility, software package management system and commitment to > free software principles. Linspire came along later and built a > user-friendly Linux distribution with Debian at its core. Some time > later Ubuntu came into being. It built upon Debian as well but cleaned > things up a bit and added some of the latest and greatest open source > software packages to the mix. This -- along with an appealing project > philosophy, dynamic leader and a predictable, six-month upgrade cycle > -- shot Ubuntu to the top of the Linux popularity charts. > > Starting today, these relationships get even more confusing. > Linspire and Canonical, Inc. have announced a partnership that will > result in core technology being shared between the two operating > systems. Future versions of Linspire will be built upon Ubuntu instead > of Debian. This gives Linspire users the advantage of Debian's core > and Ubuntu's regular updates. The great work started by the Debian > team remains at the core of everything. This is good news for Linspire > fans and good news for Ubuntu evangelists like myself. > > Perhaps the most interesting component of the deal is the fact > that Ubuntu users will gain access to the Linspire CNR (Click 'N Run) > e-commerce and software delivery system. This system is a sort of > pay-as-you-go version of Debian/Ubuntu's apt-get package management > that will allow users to install commercial software, drivers and > codecs with the click of a mouse. Free Software puritans will cringe > at this development but realists are more likely to view the model as > offering the best of both worlds. Ubuntu users won't be required to > install non-free software but those who want the power, stability, > security and freedom of Ubuntu enhanced with a few commercial software > packages will be free to do so. That is true freedom in my opinion. > > We should see the first Ubuntu-based Linspire distributions this > quarter. Ubuntu users will get access to Linspire's CNR in April's > 7.04 release. > > John Hammer > Actually Debian, OpenSuse, Fedora and Ubuntu/Kubuntu will have access to CNR. Shawn From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Feb 8 18:14:08 2007 From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas) Date: Thu Feb 8 18:14:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance In-Reply-To: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> References: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <20070209001408.GB26657@mail.fortuitous.com> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:33:40PM -0600, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > I am amazed at what I have recently found. I wish I had hard numbers on this, > but Ubuntu performs remarkably better as x86 than x86_64. Same system, same > specs and everything is better. Memory utilization for the same applications is > incredibly lower. The Nvidia drivers render smoother AIGLX graphics. VMWare runs > smoother. I really feel silly for using x86_64 for at least six months now. 64bit gives you greater capacity for file systems/sizes, larger memory & io paths, but it comes at a performance price: more memory will be allocated to accommodate this extra capacity, and io paths for apps take up more juice too. So its very common to see performance slowdown for 64bit systems. If your application is inherently 64bit though it could show a bit boost, but that isn't the everyday situation. We do system porting from 32 to 64, and its very important to do cpu, io, mem, and network tuning to get the new systems to perform better than they did before out of the box. You do get more access to a larger memory address space and IO address space by far. So unless you really need that 64bit goodness, you might want to stick to 32 bit. YMMV, -Phil Carinhas -- .--------------------------------------------------------. | Dr. Philip A. Carinhas || http://fortuitous.com | | Fortuitous Technologies Inc || Tel : 1-512-351-7783 | | Performance, Capacity, Linux & Unix Engineering Svcs | `--------------------------------------------------------' From hewittrj_78244 at grandecom.net Thu Feb 8 19:00:59 2007 From: hewittrj_78244 at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Thu Feb 8 18:58:28 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Netvista and Me Message-ID: <004501c74be5$c370ebe0$0201a8c0@pivcel2000mhz> I know we have danced around the subject and due to inproper access and use of my personnal e-mail account I sorta fell behind in my project. I want to set up this Netvista N2200 as a terminal using Linux as the base on the Netvista. The second half would be to let me use the terminal server software built into my win 2000 server. The closest that I have found is ther Damn Small Linux package except that they are way to vauge on how to install the OS onto a CF card. Instead they are only interested in selling the CF card pre installed. So here is the gist of it, can somebody please help me make tise N2200 work with the way I want. 1. be able to start a terminal session with my win 2000 server 2. be able to access the internet. 3.do all this and not require any cash to make it all work Robert hewittrj_78244@grandecom.net From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Feb 8 21:38:42 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Feb 8 21:39:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu x86 vs x86_64 Performance In-Reply-To: <20070209001408.GB26657@mail.fortuitous.com> References: <45C2CD34.30002@rugmonster.org> <20070209001408.GB26657@mail.fortuitous.com> Message-ID: <45CBECC2.30001@rugmonster.org> Phil Carinhas wrote: > 64bit gives you greater capacity for file systems/sizes, larger memory & io > paths, but it comes at a performance price: more memory will be allocated to > accommodate this extra capacity, and io paths for apps take up more juice too. > So its very common to see performance slowdown for 64bit systems. If your > application is inherently 64bit though it could show a bit boost, but that > isn't the everyday situation. > > We do system porting from 32 to 64, and its very important to do cpu, io, mem, > and network tuning to get the new systems to perform better than they did > before out of the box. You do get more access to a larger memory address space > and IO address space by far. > > So unless you really need that 64bit goodness, you might want to stick to 32 bit. > YMMV, Wow! Thanks for the great information. I never would have realized that there was more to it than compiling 64bit rather than 32. I guess I would have thought that the compiler would handle that sort of optimization, but it makes sense for languages like C and C++ where you do more with memory directly. One of the biggest offenders of ungodly memory use was Sun's JVM. I guess they hadn't done the optimization for the port that they could have. From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Feb 8 23:45:06 2007 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu Feb 8 23:45:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] March Computer Show and Sale Message-ID: Just a reminder about the next computer show and sale. Saturday, March 10, 2007, 9:00am - 5:00pm Live Oak Civic Center 8101 Pat Booker Rd. @ Loop 1604 San Antonio, TX. SATLUG plans to be there to offer a kind word to all the sticker-shocked Vista veterans. Don't forget the discount coupon! http://www.pcshows.com/ -- 2006 Spring Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest July 12-15 -- Kelly USA Advanced Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College and SATLUG http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From herbc at txcyber.com Fri Feb 9 00:02:32 2007 From: herbc at txcyber.com (Herb) Date: Fri Feb 9 00:02:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Newbe help In-Reply-To: <45CA7D4A.7070205@txcyber.com> References: <45CA3D3D.50109@xramp.com> <45CA7D4A.7070205@txcyber.com> Message-ID: <45CC0E78.4000400@txcyber.com> I have Fedora core-6 installed with Gnome GUI. When I click the help button from most places in Gnome and also in a terminal box I get this message .. "Error launching the default command application associated with this location". Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks herb > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 00:07:48 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Fri Feb 9 00:08:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] How do you take a dump? In-Reply-To: <5d6b0c7bb13a5c699c053230d3ce811c@rugmonster.org> References: <1ea252fb0702080839o24855e5di10b6f0c0685685a0@mail.gmail.com> <5d6b0c7bb13a5c699c053230d3ce811c@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: Thanks Luis, Brad, Daniel, Chris, Cliff, & Bob. This has been extremely informative and I think I will be leaning towards snapshots. For my current situation having the files backed up is more important than getting the system back up promptly. The backups will primarily be for photos and documents that users will add through the Relay web server I plan on implementing. The backup medium will be an external drive attached to the server. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Feb 9 09:13:22 2007 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Feb 9 09:13:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Apple dmg's compressible? Message-ID: <20070209151322.6DCB7DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Off-topic question for the OS X people... Are ".dmg" (disk image) files compressible? Yeah, I suspect the answer is "it depends", but the reason for asking on *this* occasion is the size of the Xcode 2.4.1 image (923.2 MB). If it's sufficiently compressible to make it fit on a CD, I'd be a happy man. Otherwise, I've gotta find me a DVD burner in a land of comparative scarcity when it comes to that item. Sheesh... I originally asked this question because I figured it would be faster to download this critter at the day job and sneaker-net it home, but I'm getting a whoppin' 15.x KB/sec transfer rate off the Apple site over a cable-modem connection. If the situation doesn't improve, it would be just as fast to do the download at home over my IDSL connection :-(. As things stand right now, I'm looking at another 12-14 hours before the download completes. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 10:48:52 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Feb 9 10:49:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Apple dmg's compressible? In-Reply-To: <20070209151322.6DCB7DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20070209151322.6DCB7DBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0702090848l6de0462ct55d29e9ac646498d@mail.gmail.com> Bob, the DMG file is already compressed. Once you "open" the DMG for the Xcode tools it comes out to about 1.5 gigs. You could try using Stuffit to see if it will compress more, but doubtful. If you'd like I can put it on our FTP server. On 2/9/07, Bob Tracy wrote: > Off-topic question for the OS X people... Are ".dmg" (disk image) files > compressible? Yeah, I suspect the answer is "it depends", but the > reason for asking on *this* occasion is the size of the Xcode 2.4.1 > image (923.2 MB). If it's sufficiently compressible to make it fit on > a CD, I'd be a happy man. Otherwise, I've gotta find me a DVD burner > in a land of comparative scarcity when it comes to that item. > > Sheesh... I originally asked this question because I figured it would > be faster to download this critter at the day job and sneaker-net it > home, but I'm getting a whoppin' 15.x KB/sec transfer rate off the > Apple site over a cable-modem connection. If the situation doesn't > improve, it would be just as fast to do the download at home over my > IDSL connection :-(. As things stand right now, I'm looking at another > 12-14 hours before the download completes. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From rct at gherkin.frus.com Fri Feb 9 11:16:31 2007 From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy) Date: Fri Feb 9 11:17:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Apple dmg's compressible? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0702090848l6de0462ct55d29e9ac646498d@mail.gmail.com> "from Jeremy Mann at Feb 9, 2007 10:48:52 am" Message-ID: <20070209171631.A842CDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > Bob, the DMG file is already compressed. Once you "open" the DMG for > the Xcode tools it comes out to about 1.5 gigs. You could try using > Stuffit to see if it will compress more, but doubtful. That's what I was afraid of, but if I had thought about it for two seconds I would have guessed the images were already compressed. Current status on the download: the speed had been considerably better at various points throughout the morning, occasionally reaching 200+ KB/s. Now, it's hovering somewhere around 50 KB/s, with a projected time to completion of approx. two hours. I can live with that as long as it actually happens before I go home today :-). As far as making things fit on a CD, there's nothing preventing me from splitting the image into multiple pieces for transport... Funny how the obvious solution to the "no DVD" problem didn't seem obvious at the time. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org rct@frus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 11:58:38 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Feb 9 11:59:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Apple dmg's compressible? In-Reply-To: <20070209171631.A842CDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <79ec289f0702090848l6de0462ct55d29e9ac646498d@mail.gmail.com> <20070209171631.A842CDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0702090958o9907baal415fb4ef7f5194a@mail.gmail.com> Once its finished you could take out some of the individual PKG package files until you drop to 700 megs, then burn 2 discs and recombine them into the DMG on your home computer. On 2/9/07, Bob Tracy wrote: > Jeremy Mann wrote: > > Bob, the DMG file is already compressed. Once you "open" the DMG for > > the Xcode tools it comes out to about 1.5 gigs. You could try using > > Stuffit to see if it will compress more, but doubtful. > > That's what I was afraid of, but if I had thought about it for two > seconds I would have guessed the images were already compressed. > > Current status on the download: the speed had been considerably better > at various points throughout the morning, occasionally reaching 200+ > KB/s. Now, it's hovering somewhere around 50 KB/s, with a projected > time to completion of approx. two hours. I can live with that as long > as it actually happens before I go home today :-). As far as making > things fit on a CD, there's nothing preventing me from splitting the > image into multiple pieces for transport... Funny how the obvious > solution to the "no DVD" problem didn't seem obvious at the time. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org > rct@frus.com > ---------------