From albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 1 07:16:06 2007 From: albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net (mike sullivan) Date: Mon Jan 1 07:16:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] 2007 Message-ID: <45990996.4050007@sbcglobal.net> With best wishes for a good 2007 to the group. Mike WN5PMR From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jan 1 08:59:28 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jan 1 08:59:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] VNC Viewer Via SSH :: Assistance In-Reply-To: <4587C368.1030706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <200612181932.51129.wmail@wricomp.com> <45877B29.9030406@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4587C368.1030706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450701010659r774b8b3h7340981a63196e01@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/06, Geoff wrote: > > twistedpickles wrote: > > ssh -p 9058 remopteIP {access remote machine w/ specified port} -L > > 5958:localhost:5958 {binds & forwards local connection to remote on > > specified port} > > > > Are the above assumptions correct or maybe I don't understand it > > correctly? > > > > someone else is going to have to step in here and offer some advice. > > As I've said, I only use "ssh -pxxxx hostname(or ip address) -l > username" and it works for me. > > Pickles: assumptions are correct. I use the options before the user@hostpersonally, so I am not sure if they are order sensitive. I use the following script to forward various ports that I need through the SSH "tunnel" to the other side, while popping up an xterm SSH window: #!/bin/bash # Port for Remote Squid Proxy Access= 3535 # Port for Remote WWW Access= 8008 # Port for Local WWW Access= 80 # Port for Remote VMConsole Access= 904 # -f = go to background # -N = No remote command # -C = Compress # -X = Forward X11 xterm -e \ ssh -2 -C -X\ #-L localPort:Host:RemotePort # Note that for direct port bind to SSH Server, use localhost, not remote server name # All others are implicit Port:Local -> RemoteHost:RemotePort -L 3535:localhost:3535 \ -L 8008:asg1:8008 \ -L 8001:asg1:80 \ -L 9004:gsx1:904 \ john@asg1 & From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jan 1 09:15:28 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jan 1 09:15:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IBM Thinnet workstation In-Reply-To: <368c881c0612311405k51c1f502u7b0a85bcfa42443@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c72c6f$003edbe0$6401a8c0@Dellpw340> <200612302232.09621.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <368c881c0612311405k51c1f502u7b0a85bcfa42443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450701010715r4bc4e0d9j438e513ea92b5e01@mail.gmail.com> On 12/31/06, Benjamin Temple wrote: > > ThinNet or NetVista N2200? What OS does yours run natively? Mine runs > Linux, > but* I was wondering if yours ran Windows.* I do not think that any of them run Windows CE, but I imagine there is an illicit CF image floating around the 'Net that does. On 12/30/06, tweeks wrote: > > > > On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:02, Robert wrote: > > [...] > > > Any way I want to make this a internet workstation wit the possibility > > of > > > using maybe Open Office or even Office 2003, Haven't quite figured out > > > which way I will go but I need to find some software for a Netvista > > N2200 > > > (8363-exx) the software IBM listed is "IBM Network Station Manager > > V2R1" > > > Linux is a possibility. > > > > Google on: > > +site:xcssa.org netvista > > > > Several people in XCSSA have done a bit of Netvista hacking this past > year > > from those $20 units from AllGen. > > > > If you just want to dink around with what you have first though (using > the > > installed software): when the terminal software comes up.. just double > > click > > in the lower right hand area... pull up the X GUI, run the admin tool > and > > use > > the password ibmncd (also root password for the shell). > > I will assume you picked up the unit from AllGen, and it is the N2200 series NetVista workstation. Bearing in mind that those were not designed for local application execution (233MHz CPU/96MB RAM, CF Storage), your options are basically 4 fold: 1. Remote X11 station (This I use): Have them do an `X -query xhost :0` and use an X session hosted by a server 2. RDP station: Use RDesktop to connect to a Windows Terminal Server. Have not added to Firmware, but I imagine that it is possible 3. NX Client station: Would love to hook this up (Anyone interested in paid attempt?) as NX provides disconnection and sound capability. 4. Citrix Client station: As this is a not an F/OSS situation, I have not done it, but again, the Linux Citrix client should be loadable on the firmware. YMMV! John From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 16:16:10 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Jan 1 16:16:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] K3B and Burning Data DVDs Message-ID: <8ee65edd0701011416v781ed4b0va5f1713b0894b7d2@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I'm having some problems with K3B and burning DVDs. I'm burning avi files from television episodes and I can fit about 12 episodes on a standard DVD, and it's doesn't fill it up totally, so there's no overburn. The problem that I face is that when I put the dvd in a DVD drive, whether it be Windows or Linux, the last two files on the DVD won't play. All the rest play just fine. I've also reduced the number of files from 12 to 10, but face the same issues. Always, the last two files won't be recognized by any player, while they play just fine from the harddrive. Has anyone else seen this behaviour with K3B before? Ed From jtiner at satx.rr.com Mon Jan 1 16:27:43 2007 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (james) Date: Mon Jan 1 16:27:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] K3B and Burning Data DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0701011416v781ed4b0va5f1713b0894b7d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0701011416v781ed4b0va5f1713b0894b7d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1167690463.18361.0.camel@james-desktop> what settings are you using when burning? DAO, TAO? On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 16:16 -0600, Ed Coates wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm having some problems with K3B and burning DVDs. I'm burning avi > files from television episodes and I can fit about 12 episodes on a > standard DVD, and it's doesn't fill it up totally, so there's no > overburn. > > The problem that I face is that when I put the dvd in a DVD drive, > whether it be Windows or Linux, the last two files on the DVD won't > play. All the rest play just fine. I've also reduced the number of > files from 12 to 10, but face the same issues. Always, the last two > files won't be recognized by any player, while they play just fine > from the harddrive. > > Has anyone else seen this behaviour with K3B before? > > Ed From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 21:08:14 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Jan 1 21:08:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] K3B and Burning Data DVDs In-Reply-To: <1167690463.18361.0.camel@james-desktop> References: <8ee65edd0701011416v781ed4b0va5f1713b0894b7d2@mail.gmail.com> <1167690463.18361.0.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0701011908w7dcc7ea6jb0451995304f943e@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/07, james wrote: > what settings are you using when burning? > DAO, TAO? > > K3B is set to auto, but there's no listing for TAO, only DAO, overwrite, and incremental. Here is what the debug output says: System ----------------------- K3b Version: 0.12.17 KDE Version: 3.5.5 QT Version: 3.3.6 Kernel: 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 Devices ----------------------- LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S PS08 (/dev/hdc, ) at [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD-R DL; DVD+R; DVD+RW; DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Jump; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R; Restricted Overwrite; Layer Jump] K3b ----------------------- Size of filesystem calculated: 2148726 Used versions ----------------------- growisofs: 7.0 growisofs ----------------------- Executing 'builtin_dd if=/dev/fd/0 of=/dev/hdc obs=32k seek=0' /dev/hdc: "Current Write Speed" is 6.1x1352KBps. growisofs command: ----------------------- /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=/dev/fd/0 -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke=tracksize:2148726 -dvd-compat -speed=2 -overburn -use-the-force-luke=bufsize:32m mkisofs ----------------------- 2148726 Total translation table size: 0 Total rockridge attributes bytes: 1526 Total directory bytes: 0 Path table size(bytes): 10 Max brk space used 0 2148726 extents written (4196 MB) mkisofs command: ----------------------- /usr/bin/mkisofs -gui -graft-points -volid K3b data project -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR (C) 1998-2005 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher -preparer -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-edcoates/k3bNjADCa.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list /tmp/kde-edcoates/k3b8VTrYa.tmp -joliet -hide-joliet-list /tmp/kde-edcoates/k3bNwXLsb.tmp -full-iso9660-filenames -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-edcoates/k3b1F8VTb.tmp From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 1 21:22:57 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Mon Jan 1 21:22:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] gnome-terminal question Message-ID: <20070102032257.80833.qmail@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How can I enable a gnome-terminal shortcut from the right click menu in Fedora Core 6. Back when I had FC3, I was able to right click the menu to get a terminal opened fast. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jan 1 23:44:13 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jan 1 23:44:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] K3B and Burning Data DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0701011908w7dcc7ea6jb0451995304f943e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0701011416v781ed4b0va5f1713b0894b7d2@mail.gmail.com> <1167690463.18361.0.camel@james-desktop> <8ee65edd0701011908w7dcc7ea6jb0451995304f943e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4599F12D.6000800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ed Coates wrote: > On 1/1/07, james wrote: >> what settings are you using when burning? >> DAO, TAO? >> >> > K3B is set to auto, but there's no listing for TAO, only DAO, > overwrite, and incremental. > > Here is what the debug output says: > > System > ----------------------- > K3b Version: 0.12.17 > > KDE Version: 3.5.5 > QT Version: 3.3.6 > Kernel: 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 > Devices > ----------------------- > LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S PS08 (/dev/hdc, ) at [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; > DVD-ROM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD-R DL; DVD+R; DVD+RW; DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM; > DVD-R Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Jump; > DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R > Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; > RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R; Restricted Overwrite; Layer Jump] Looks as if it's doing Track-at-once (as opposed to Disk-at-once). I don't know what SAO means. Ever notice how sometimes when you burn a regular CD as fast as you can, that it won't play in just any CD player? If you slow down the burn process to 2x it -will- play in any player. I wonder if you slowed down the DVD burn speed to something substantially less than -MAX-, if that'd make a difference? DVD's are written like CD's are, correct? From the inside out? the further out the disc you go, the more apparent the variations speed occur.. If your Writer is within the +/- 5% tolerance at a -3% and your player is within +/-5% tolerance at +2%, the very edge of 5% is realized, and it might not always work. It's like the old days, of writing floppies.. some drives would read a floppy you formatted on a different machine - some wouldn't. Somtimes you could get away with formatting a floppy on the original machine, writing files to it from the machine you wanted to copy files FROM, and then stick it back in the machine you wanted to copy files -to-. Sometimes, that would work. All of these work-arounds only server to remind us that not all machines are created equal. There's going to be differences. But, I think in the case of your DVE, if you slow down the burn process, you might have better results. -- 73, Wubba! Nappy You Hear! From edcoates at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 23:56:10 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon Jan 1 23:56:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] K3B and Burning Data DVDs In-Reply-To: <4599F12D.6000800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <8ee65edd0701011416v781ed4b0va5f1713b0894b7d2@mail.gmail.com> <1167690463.18361.0.camel@james-desktop> <8ee65edd0701011908w7dcc7ea6jb0451995304f943e@mail.gmail.com> <4599F12D.6000800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0701012156w3315426eu910990d847160265@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/07, Geoff wrote: > Ed Coates wrote: > > On 1/1/07, james wrote: > >> what settings are you using when burning? > >> DAO, TAO? > K3B is set to auto, but there's no listing for TAO, only DAO, > overwrite, and incremental. > Looks as if it's doing Track-at-once (as opposed to Disk-at-once). I > don't know what SAO means. > Well, not sure if it's doing that since TAO isn't in the list of available options. > Ever notice how sometimes when you burn a regular CD as fast as you can, > that it won't play in just any CD player? If you slow down the burn > process to 2x it -will- play in any player. > I did pick the 2x option, but it seemed to pick 6x instead, and yeah, I rarely ever burn anything at full speed unless I know it only going to be read/played from the same player. Ed From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Jan 2 01:11:18 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Jan 2 01:11:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] K3B and Burning Data DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0701012156w3315426eu910990d847160265@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0701011416v781ed4b0va5f1713b0894b7d2@mail.gmail.com> <1167690463.18361.0.camel@james-desktop> <8ee65edd0701011908w7dcc7ea6jb0451995304f943e@mail.gmail.com> <4599F12D.6000800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <8ee65edd0701012156w3315426eu910990d847160265@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459A0596.3090902@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ed Coates wrote: >> Looks as if it's doing Track-at-once (as opposed to Disk-at-once). I > > Well, not sure if it's doing that since TAO isn't in the list of > available options. LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S PS08 (/dev/hdc, ) at [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD-R DL; DVD+R; DVD+RW; DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Jump; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; *TAO*; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R; Restricted Overwrite; Layer Jump] I don't see DAO as an option. Perhaps this is why you aren't given an option to choose between DAO and TAO, since DAO doesn't seem to -be- an option! > Ever notice how sometimes when you burn a regular CD as fast as you can, > > I did pick the 2x option, but it seemed to pick 6x instead, and yeah, > I rarely ever burn anything at full speed unless I know it only going > to be read/played from the same player. Just checking. Didn't have all the facts. Wanted it clarified. Got it now. Let's move on. ;-) From sbender at humana.com Tue Jan 2 07:26:16 2007 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Tue Jan 2 07:26:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] K3B and Burning Data DVDs In-Reply-To: <459A0596.3090902@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: I have the same DVDrw.. I was forced to upgrade the firmware on it.. Its painless to do.. but you need a winblows partition. Ever since my upgrade I have had no problems with burning. What media are you using? Shawn Bender The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 07:40:01 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jan 2 07:40:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] K3B and Burning Data DVDs In-Reply-To: References: <459A0596.3090902@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0701020540q78f9e663xbe93901d8591a15f@mail.gmail.com> On 1/2/07, Shawn Bender wrote: > I have the same DVDrw.. > I was forced to upgrade the firmware on it.. Its painless to do.. but you > need a winblows partition. > Ever since my upgrade I have had no problems with burning. What media are > you using? > > > > Shawn Bender Hmm...wonder if I could upgrade the firmware through vmware. I'm using DVD+R for the burning. I don't recall the brand off the top of my head. Ed From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 14:58:23 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Jan 2 14:58:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations Message-ID: I need to learn perl to make changes on a cgi script that interacts with a mysql database. Even though I have found some similarities between perl and what I've learned in php it was kind of overwhelming. Anyone out there have recommendations on a great book. Currently learning PHP not too difficult, other experience includes vbscript, ASP, css, and html. Thanks, -- ::twistedPickles:: : :: A pickle day keeps the monkeys away! :: From bbrice at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 15:15:30 2007 From: bbrice at gmail.com (Brian Brice) Date: Tue Jan 2 15:15:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <997b37ca0701021315jbbeaecal290c67d3ea1f6f0e@mail.gmail.com> On 1/2/07, twistedpickles wrote: > I need to learn perl to make changes on a cgi script that interacts > with a mysql database. Even though I have found some similarities > between perl and what I've learned in php it was kind of overwhelming. > Anyone out there have recommendations on a great book. Currently > learning PHP not too difficult, other experience includes vbscript, > ASP, css, and html. Programming Perl, 3rd Edition, is the ultimate reference for anything Perl. Anything dealing with its syntax and its library (only a little bit) can be found there. Learning Perl, 2nd Edition, is great for getting your feet wet for the first time and getting familiar with the language. Perl's online documentation is great also, perldoc. For example: To see docs on the open function: perldoc -f open To see docs on operators and their precedenec: perldoc perlop To see docs on the File::Basename module: perldoc File::Basename I've done a little bit of MySQL interaction with Perl with the DBI module. It's not too bad! It's like using PHP's PEAR::DB. Here's a small test I did just to dump out info on tables in a MySQL database: http://www.heapify.org/old/src/test-mysql.perl.html (ugly, I know) -- Brian Brice http://www.heapify.org/ From jesse at liberto.org Tue Jan 2 15:16:54 2007 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Tue Jan 2 15:28:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070102212822.E56CE16A9A4@mail.ricos.com> There is always the Perl CD bookshelf, but you might want to stay away from version 4. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of twistedpickles Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:58 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations I need to learn perl to make changes on a cgi script that interacts with a mysql database. Even though I have found some similarities between perl and what I've learned in php it was kind of overwhelming. Anyone out there have recommendations on a great book. Currently learning PHP not too difficult, other experience includes vbscript, ASP, css, and html. Thanks, -- ::twistedPickles:: : :: A pickle day keeps the monkeys away! :: -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From gboswell at accd.edu Tue Jan 2 09:38:58 2007 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Tue Jan 2 15:39:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas Message-ID: <459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu> I'm trying to put together a "Linux Wireless Fundamentals" section (3 hour session) for my Unix I class at SAC. There are so many web resources that go in every direction but so far I have not found a step by step basic guide for Linux (almost) newbies. I have several texts such as /802.11 Wireless Networks/, /Wireless Hacks/ and /WI-FOO the secrets of Wireless Hacking /but they either go into too-much detail (for a beginning class) or concentrate on hacking which is not my goal either. If you know of or have a better text (keep it simple please) or know of a web site that is simple and easy to follow please pass it on. If you don't want to share on the list (although better for everyone) send it to my gboswell@accd.edu address. Most of these students already use or have used Windows wireless tools in XP so I'm trying to show equal (we know it's better) access , ease of connecting (not going to happen), and then show the additional tools available in Linux. I've been forced into the wireless world and I must confess it is so much easier in Windows/MAC yet the lack of security in windows scares me every time I use wireless. Linux wireless as we all know is a trip up a somewhat steep learning curve but with all the experience in this group we should be able to make it a somewhat simple process. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 (after 1/10/07) "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Tue Jan 2 15:59:11 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Tue Jan 2 15:59:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas In-Reply-To: <459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu> References: <459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu> Message-ID: <56511.24.160.132.44.1167775151.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > I'm trying to put together a "Linux Wireless Fundamentals" section (3 > hour session) for my Unix I class at SAC. There are so many web > resources that go in every direction but so far I have not found a step > by step basic guide for Linux (almost) newbies. I have several texts > such as /802.11 Wireless Networks/, /Wireless Hacks/ and /WI-FOO the > secrets of Wireless Hacking /but they either go into too-much detail > (for a beginning class) or concentrate on hacking which is not my goal > either. If you know of or have a better text (keep it simple please) or > know of a web site that is simple and easy to follow please pass it > on. If you don't want to share on the list (although better for > everyone) send it to my gboswell@accd.edu address. Most of these > students already use or have used Windows wireless tools in XP so I'm > trying to show equal (we know it's better) access , ease of connecting > (not going to happen), and then show the additional tools available in > Linux. I've been forced into the wireless world and I must confess it > is so much easier in Windows/MAC yet the lack of security in windows > scares me every time I use wireless. Linux wireless as we all know > is a trip up a somewhat steep learning curve but with all the > experience in this group we should be able to make it a somewhat simple > process. Thanks > Boz Are you still using a Fedora Core distro in your classes? Let me get some info together for you and will compile it once you answer the above question. Tom King From tyler at bleepsoft.com Tue Jan 2 16:01:23 2007 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:01:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas In-Reply-To: <459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu> References: <459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu> Message-ID: <826C3AB0-B8C9-40BF-A1EE-9C23F22BA1E9@bleepsoft.com> On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > I'm trying to put together a "Linux Wireless Fundamentals" section > (3 hour session) for my Unix I class at SAC. There are so many web > resources that go in every direction but so far I have not found a > step by step basic guide for Linux (almost) newbies. I have several > texts such as /802.11 Wireless Networks/, /Wireless Hacks/ and /WI- > FOO the secrets of Wireless Hacking /but they either go into too- > much detail (for a beginning class) or concentrate on hacking which > is not my goal either. If you know of or have a better text (keep > it simple please) or know of a web site that is simple and easy to > follow please pass it on. If you don't want to share on the > list (although better for everyone) send it to my gboswell@accd.edu > address. Most of these students already use or have used Windows > wireless tools in XP so I'm trying to show equal (we know it's > better) access , ease of connecting (not going to happen), and > then show the additional tools available in Linux. I've been > forced into the wireless world and I must confess it is so much > easier in Windows/MAC yet the lack of security in windows scares me > every time I use wireless. Linux wireless as we all know is a > trip up a somewhat steep learning curve but with all the experience > in this group we should be able to make it a somewhat simple > process. Thanks ndiswrapper. Nothing will help them "get" Wireless on Linux quicker than fighting with ndiswrapper because broadcom, etc are "dicks" about driver specs :) Cheers R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 16:05:24 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:05:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20070102212822.E56CE16A9A4@mail.ricos.com> References: <20070102212822.E56CE16A9A4@mail.ricos.com> Message-ID: I have the perl oreilly (camel book) but it doesn't go into perl and cgi...thanks On 1/2/07, Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > There is always the Perl CD bookshelf, but you might want to stay away from > version 4. > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of twistedpickles > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:58 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations > > I need to learn perl to make changes on a cgi script that interacts > with a mysql database. Even though I have found some similarities > between perl and what I've learned in php it was kind of overwhelming. > Anyone out there have recommendations on a great book. Currently > learning PHP not too difficult, other experience includes vbscript, > ASP, css, and html. > > Thanks, > > > > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > :: A pickle day keeps the monkeys away! :: > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- ::twistedPickles:: : From gboswell at accd.edu Tue Jan 2 11:31:31 2007 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:31:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas References: 459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu Message-ID: <459A96F3.3070303@accd.edu> Tom we are using FC6 at present and I don't believe we will change soon. Thanks -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Jan 2 17:34:18 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:34:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You need to get a handle on the syntax first. Once you figure out the way things work, you'll be able to read the existing code and modify it appropriately. I learned Perl by O'Reilly's Learning Perl. The exercises helped me out tremendously since I had almost no programming experience prior. That book is well worth reading front to back and doing all of the exercises. That will give you the start you need to do your grepping about the Internet to fill in the other pieces that aren't covered in the book. If you are dead set on getting a book, O'Reilly's CGI Programming with Perl, Second Edition (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cgi2/), would probably be good. It is vitally important that you have a basic understanding of Perl before you try to modify exist code. One of the downsides to Perl is that it has a lot of ways to do the same thing and a lot of shortcuts that tend to make code harder to follow. You need to have the basic understanding down so you can follow what's going on. Best of luck! Daniel On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:05:24 -0600, twistedpickles wrote: > I have the perl oreilly (camel book) but it doesn't go into perl and > cgi...thanks > > On 1/2/07, Jesse Gonzalez wrote: >> There is always the Perl CD bookshelf, but you might want to stay away > from >> version 4. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf >> Of twistedpickles >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:58 PM >> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >> Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations >> >> I need to learn perl to make changes on a cgi script that interacts >> with a mysql database. Even though I have found some similarities >> between perl and what I've learned in php it was kind of overwhelming. >> Anyone out there have recommendations on a great book. Currently >> learning PHP not too difficult, other experience includes vbscript, >> ASP, css, and html. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ::twistedPickles:: : >> :: A pickle day keeps the monkeys away! :: >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From gboswell at accd.edu Tue Jan 2 11:36:45 2007 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:36:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas References: 459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu Message-ID: <459A982D.9030908@accd.edu> > > Nothing will help them "get" Wireless on Linux quicker than fighting > with ndiswrapper because broadcom, etc are "dicks" about driver specs :) > > > Cheers > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler at bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler at jabber.geekisp.com Yes but I still need the info to get started. With ndiswrappers it is a pain, but still the idea of an adapter that does work and simple steps sets the stage better even if not a realistic idea. I keep seeing SUSE 10.1 installing on broadcom cards with out a hitch, do they set up with ndiswrapper? -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Jan 2 17:42:14 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:42:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas In-Reply-To: <56511.24.160.132.44.1167775151.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <56511.24.160.132.44.1167775151.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: This is a response to the original message. With a basics class, I would pick one distro and one known good chipset. The learning curve is all very dependent on the the chipset and particular toolset you have to use to get things going. Some chipsets work fine with iwconfig, while others you have to use other tools. In Ubuntu with my Prism54g chipset wireless card, the configuration is simpler than in Windows since the drivers are part of the kernel and the Ubuntu network tools configure it just fine. This is one of the areas that Linux could do better, but the hardware manufacturers have definitely made it hard on us. Regards, Daniel On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:59:11 -0600 (CST), Thomas King wrote: >> I'm trying to put together a "Linux Wireless Fundamentals" section (3 >> hour session) for my Unix I class at SAC. There are so many web >> resources that go in every direction but so far I have not found a step >> by step basic guide for Linux (almost) newbies. I have several texts >> such as /802.11 Wireless Networks/, /Wireless Hacks/ and /WI-FOO the >> secrets of Wireless Hacking /but they either go into too-much detail >> (for a beginning class) or concentrate on hacking which is not my goal >> either. If you know of or have a better text (keep it simple please) or >> know of a web site that is simple and easy to follow please pass it >> on. If you don't want to share on the list (although better for >> everyone) send it to my gboswell@accd.edu address. Most of these >> students already use or have used Windows wireless tools in XP so I'm >> trying to show equal (we know it's better) access , ease of connecting >> (not going to happen), and then show the additional tools available in >> Linux. I've been forced into the wireless world and I must confess it >> is so much easier in Windows/MAC yet the lack of security in windows >> scares me every time I use wireless. Linux wireless as we all know >> is a trip up a somewhat steep learning curve but with all the >> experience in this group we should be able to make it a somewhat simple >> process. Thanks >> Boz > > Are you still using a Fedora Core distro in your classes? > > Let me get some info together for you and will compile it once you answer > the > above question. > > Tom King > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From gboswell at accd.edu Tue Jan 2 17:42:38 2007 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:42:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas Message-ID: <459AEDEE.3010807@accd.edu> Sorry for the mess-up in the thread did not realize my time pool was set wrong. Duh which way did they go doc? Which way did they go? Huh Huh? -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Jan 2 18:19:44 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Jan 2 18:19:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Job Market in SA Message-ID: Happy New Year! As I said in my first message to the list, I'm planning on moving to San Antonio at the end of this year. While it's been a fun five years in the AF, I'm ready to move on to other things. Part of the reason my wife and I picked San Antonio, besides her being from there, is that the job market seems to be doing well and has been that way for a while, but I don't live there and have only heard from other military folks who have recently been there. Since we've decided where we want to go, what would you recommend to make finding a job easier there? A little more specific background for you to work with... Linux/UNIX/Windows/Network Admin since 1999 Working with Cisco equip since 2002 Partner - Jamandall Endeavors (sys/net admin and webdev) Prior to Jamandall, independent consultant for about two years doing ASP and PHP webdev Associates in IS Management A+, SANS GSEC certs My goal is to work for an SMB. I'm planning on sending my resume to Rackspace when I'm about six months out, but they're just the first ones I've found outside of the military contract arena. Although I will have a fresh clearance this year, I would like to get away from the government. Ideally, it would be a Linux Admin position, but network management I would be happy with. Windows Admin if I had to, but I'm not planning on getting any MS certs unless someone else will pay for them. What do you think I should do to better posture myself to get myself into the position I want? If you want, you can take a look at my resume here -> http://rugmonster.org/resume.pdf Thank you and I knowing that there is an active Linux group in San Antonio makes me even more excited to move there. I've enjoyed the list so far and you can expect more from me. ~Daniel From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 19:17:14 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jan 2 19:17:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ee65edd0701021717k879c56ewbede03ee5efcbce6@mail.gmail.com> On 1/2/07, twistedpickles wrote: > I need to learn perl to make changes on a cgi script that interacts > with a mysql database. Even though I have found some similarities > between perl and what I've learned in php it was kind of overwhelming. > Anyone out there have recommendations on a great book. Currently > learning PHP not too difficult, other experience includes vbscript, > ASP, css, and html. > > Thanks, > > > > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > :: A pickle day keeps the monkeys away! :: I learned Perl from the Military and the camel book, but got into Perl-CGI with "The Black Book of Perl" It teaches you perl to, but has some chapters on CGI and some in writing internet daemons and such. I would reccomend the Black Book Series to anyone interested. BTW, I also have "The Black Book of HTML" and find them both invaluable tools. Ed From hildstrom at hildstrom.com Tue Jan 2 16:26:07 2007 From: hildstrom at hildstrom.com (Gregory Alan Hildstrom) Date: Tue Jan 2 21:52:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas In-Reply-To: <459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu> Message-ID: <685406.51036.qm@web806.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have used Knoppix and Damn Small Linux for WIFI with good results. My laptop is an older Toshiba Satellite with a DLink 802.11b PCMCIA card. The GUI/CLI prompting tools in these two CD distros make setup pretty easy. Two tools included with DSL are iwconfig, wlcardconfig, prism2. As always, you cannot do anything unless the driver for your card's chipset is built into the kernel or built as a module. These tools just prompt you for some information and then try to get the connection working for you. Pretty painless in my experience. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Verified_Wireless_Cards http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Wireless_Networking http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/iwconfig.8.html http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7804 A great tool for sniffing out wireless networks and computers is kismet. http://www.kismetwireless.net/ Good luck. -Greg --- "Glenn F. Boswell" wrote: > I'm trying to put together a "Linux Wireless Fundamentals" section (3 > hour session) for my Unix I class at SAC. There are so many web > resources that go in every direction but so far I have not found a step > by step basic guide for Linux (almost) newbies. I have several texts > such as /802.11 Wireless Networks/, /Wireless Hacks/ and /WI-FOO the > secrets of Wireless Hacking /but they either go into too-much detail > (for a beginning class) or concentrate on hacking which is not my goal > either. If you know of or have a better text (keep it simple please) or > know of a web site that is simple and easy to follow please pass it > on. If you don't want to share on the list (although better for > everyone) send it to my gboswell@accd.edu address. Most of these > students already use or have used Windows wireless tools in XP so I'm > trying to show equal (we know it's better) access , ease of connecting > (not going to happen), and then show the additional tools available in > Linux. I've been forced into the wireless world and I must confess it > is so much easier in Windows/MAC yet the lack of security in windows > scares me every time I use wireless. Linux wireless as we all know > is a trip up a somewhat steep learning curve but with all the > experience in this group we should be able to make it a somewhat simple > process. Thanks > Boz > > -- > Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu > San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 (after 1/10/07) > "We make a living by what we Get. > We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 22:33:58 2007 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Tue Jan 2 22:34:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459B3236.4050309@gmail.com> twistedpickles wrote: > I need to learn perl to make changes on a cgi script that interacts > with a mysql database. Even though I have found some similarities > between perl and what I've learned in php it was kind of overwhelming. > Anyone out there have recommendations on a great book. Currently > learning PHP not too difficult, other experience includes vbscript, > ASP, css, and html. > > Thanks, > > > > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > :: A pickle day keeps the monkeys away! :: For learning Perl and the syntax O'reilly Learning Perl is what I started off with, there is also CGI Programming from O'reilly that covers Perl and CGI scripting. Also Perl for website management will cover some of what your looking for also an O'reilly book. Also do a search on keywords Perl DBI and CGI, there are so many good sites out there to help with Perl and how to do something. Zeb From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jan 2 12:27:46 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Jan 3 00:51:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IBM Thinnet workstation In-Reply-To: <368c881c0612311405k51c1f502u7b0a85bcfa42443@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c72c6f$003edbe0$6401a8c0@Dellpw340> <200612302232.09621.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <368c881c0612311405k51c1f502u7b0a85bcfa42443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701021227.47467.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 31 December 2006 16:05, Benjamin Temple wrote: > ThinNet or NetVista N2200? Netvista N2200. I have two. Got them at AllGen in early 2006. > What OS does yours run natively? Mine runs > Linux, but* Linux.. yeah.. > I was wondering if yours ran Windows.* Never tried it... but it's x86 so it shouldn't be a problem if you were TRYING to do so... although I honestly would never purposefully try to do so. What are you trying to accomplish? Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jan 2 18:19:59 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Jan 3 00:51:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] linux wireless ideas In-Reply-To: <826C3AB0-B8C9-40BF-A1EE-9C23F22BA1E9@bleepsoft.com> References: <459A7C92.2080202@accd.edu> <826C3AB0-B8C9-40BF-A1EE-9C23F22BA1E9@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <200701021819.59386.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:01, R. Tyler Balance wrote: [...] > > every time I use wireless. Linux wireless as we all know is a > > trip up a somewhat steep learning curve but with all the experience > > in this group we should be able to make it a somewhat simple > > process. Thanks > > ndiswrapper. > Nothing will help them "get" Wireless on Linux quicker than fighting > with ndiswrapper because broadcom, etc are "dicks" about driver specs :) That sounds like the opposite of what Boz needs, for multiple reasons: 1) KISS I might touch on ndiswrapper as a footnote AFTER the basics are covered and well established.. but I would not muddy the waters with ndw. 2) Community and Vendor Backscratching Vendors that support the FLOSS community get "OSS friendly spotlight" when we teach others about OSS. Not to mention that we (as a community) should not be teaching workarounds. We should teach the basic technology, indoctrinate them in what "the FLOSS community" is about, and in the case of wireless, how to tell what vendors support Linux and extol them to the students. On the flipside.. this also allows us to point out the vendors who do not support the OSS community and make them more accountable. Tweeks From twistedpickles at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 11:07:21 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Wed Jan 3 11:07:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] CGI + perl :: Book Recommendations In-Reply-To: <459B3236.4050309@gmail.com> References: <459B3236.4050309@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks all -- ::twistedPickles:: : :: Protecting the world one pickle at a time :: From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 17:06:46 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:06:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Somewhat OT: SuSE & Novell Message-ID: <20070103230646.56476.qmail@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> So yea I'm fixing to install openSuSE 10.2 but am disappointed that they made a deal with the devil. I'm hoping I do not find any Microsoft (c) or logos on this install or it will be the last install of SuSE I will do. I'm disappointed.. on the flip side, I dont like RH/Fedora either.. LOL. So I'm kinda SOL unless I use (k)ubuntu, Mandriva etc.. I'm thinking SuSE's days are numbered ever since this deal happened. Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jjordan86 at satx.rr.com Wed Jan 3 11:37:54 2007 From: jjordan86 at satx.rr.com (HickBilly) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:37:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Runlevel Switching Message-ID: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am running Fedora 6.xx and the installation defaults to booting into gdm or kde (my choice was gdm). I wish to update the nv graphics driver with the latest from from nVidia but I need to have X disabled to sh the .run file. I think I can find and alter the runlevel script but short of that, isn't there some way of switching to runlevel 3 with a short command in a terminal? I am familiar with startx, from the dos console and that used to be the install method default. Defaulting to booting directly into Gnome is not what I had been used to...days of Fedora Core 1. I have been a windows-only user until recently, so I am not yet up to speed on issues such as this one. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Regards, HickBilly From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 17:43:40 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:43:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Runlevel Switching In-Reply-To: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <79ec289f0701031543j45cdb650qfa529aeede21ede1@mail.gmail.com> Even if X is running, open a command shell as root and type: init 3 This will immediately kill X and drop you to a CLI environment. Now you can run the NVIDIA installer. Once its done, to get back to X type: init 5 On 1/3/07, HickBilly wrote: > I am running Fedora 6.xx and the installation defaults to booting into > gdm or kde (my choice was gdm). I wish to update the nv graphics driver > with the latest from from nVidia but I need to have X disabled to sh > the .run file. > > I think I can find and alter the runlevel script but short of that, > isn't there some way of switching to runlevel 3 with a short command in > a terminal? I am familiar with startx, from the dos console and that > used to be the install method default. Defaulting to booting directly > into Gnome is not what I had been used to...days of Fedora Core 1. I > have been a windows-only user until recently, so I am not yet up to > speed on issues such as this one. Any help would be greatly > appreciated! > > Regards, > HickBilly > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Wed Jan 3 17:48:49 2007 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:48:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Runlevel Switching References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <031201c72f91$b73d74d0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> > I think I can find and alter the runlevel script but short of that, > isn't there some way of switching to runlevel 3 with a short command in > a terminal? To add to what Jeremy said, I always used 'telinit', which upon researching it just now is apparently very similar to 'init'. So, prompt> telinit 3 would take you to runlevel 3. I don't know what the differences between it and 'init' are exactly (apparently something syntactically to some level, according to the man page), but it looks like it works similarly to 'init', FWIW! David From dacrummie at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 17:55:45 2007 From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:55:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Somewhat OT: SuSE & Novel In-Reply-To: <20070103230646.56476.qmail@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <20070103230646.56476.qmail@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I installed SUSE 10.2 about two weeks ago when XP decided to delete all the partitions, so far I haven't found a hint of M$ anywhere and have been loving it. The eye candy is great and no system problems. Dale Crummie The box said: "Requires Windows 95 or better." So I installed LINUX From donguitar at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 18:20:34 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:20:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Somewhat OT: SuSE & Novell References: <20070103230646.56476.qmail@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01c72f96$283c7880$1208a8c0@dec842502> At the risk of being swatted down... Try PCLinuxOS. If it doesn't suit you, install something else on top of it, but give it a try before you decide. Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Bartonek" To: "SATLUG" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Somewhat OT: SuSE & Novell | So yea I'm fixing to install openSuSE 10.2 but am | disappointed that they made a deal with the devil. | I'm hoping I do not find any Microsoft (c) or logos on | this install or it will be the last install of SuSE I | will do. I'm disappointed.. on the flip side, I dont | like RH/Fedora either.. LOL. So I'm kinda SOL unless | I use (k)ubuntu, Mandriva etc.. | | I'm thinking SuSE's days are numbered ever since this | deal happened. | | Alex | | __________________________________________________ | Do You Yahoo!? | Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around | http://mail.yahoo.com | -- | _______________________________________________ | SATLUG mailing list | SATLUG@satlug.org | http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe | Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jjordan86 at satx.rr.com Wed Jan 3 12:27:23 2007 From: jjordan86 at satx.rr.com (HickBilly) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:27:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Runlevel Switching In-Reply-To: <031201c72f91$b73d74d0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <031201c72f91$b73d74d0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> Message-ID: <1167848843.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> > To add to what Jeremy said, I always used 'telinit', which upon researching > it just now is apparently very similar to 'init'. So, > > prompt> telinit 3 I tried both init, init 3, and telinit 3, and each time bash says the command was not recognized. Jeremy's response has not reached my server (roadrunner). Thank you for your help David. It must be cockpit error on my part. I ran the commands from a user terminal as that appears to be the only command-line available to me. Jim From afcasta at texas.net Wed Jan 3 18:33:03 2007 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:33:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Somewhat OT: SuSE & Novell In-Reply-To: <20070103230646.56476.qmail@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <20070103230646.56476.qmail@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1167870783.16805.17.camel@phrodo.texas.net> On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 15:06 -0800, Alex Bartonek wrote: > So yea I'm fixing to install openSuSE 10.2 but am > disappointed that they made a deal with the devil. > I'm hoping I do not find any Microsoft (c) or logos on > this install or it will be the last install of SuSE I > will do. I'm disappointed.. on the flip side, I dont > like RH/Fedora either.. LOL. So I'm kinda SOL unless > I use (k)ubuntu, Mandriva etc.. > > I'm thinking SuSE's days are numbered ever since this > deal happened. > > Alex Folks were saying Sun's days were numbered when they allowed Internet Explorer to run on Solaris 2.5.1, but not only are they still around, they've open sourced the SunOS kernel and Java. I'm playing around with Belenix and KDE on the OpenSolaris 10 kernel, and it's pretty interesting. There was a time when Sun producted NT 4.0 computers on a PCI slot board, too, and even though they've not been continuing that technology, they have been working closely with vmware on future releases. I still prefer Linux, though, and don't think the Novell/MS agreement is going to do much to trash SUSE. I'm running OpenSUSE 10.2 on this box, and it makes a great vmware host for my Belinux, Fedora6, and Kubuntu guests. My kids are booting the Windows guest OS less and less because they find OpenSUSE a lot easier to use. That said, the Debian apt-get utilities still seem to run better than the rpm tools on SUSE and Fedora, but in a business environment, my customers prefer the support provided by Novell and Red Hat to just having an open source community for support. At least Fermilab and CERN start their installs with completely open source Scientific Linux distros. I find the Selinux tools a lot easier to configure than the myriad of security hardening tools used in Tru64UNIX, Solaris, HP-UX, and AIX. Regards, Al Castanoli From afcasta at texas.net Wed Jan 3 18:39:47 2007 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:39:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Runlevel Switching In-Reply-To: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1167871187.16805.23.camel@phrodo.texas.net> On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 11:37 -0600, HickBilly wrote: > I am running Fedora 6.xx and the installation defaults to booting into > gdm or kde (my choice was gdm). I wish to update the nv graphics driver > with the latest from from nVidia but I need to have X disabled to sh > the .run file. > > I think I can find and alter the runlevel script but short of that, > isn't there some way of switching to runlevel 3 with a short command in > a terminal? I am familiar with startx, from the dos console and that > used to be the install method default. Defaulting to booting directly > into Gnome is not what I had been used to...days of Fedora Core 1. I > have been a windows-only user until recently, so I am not yet up to > speed on issues such as this one. Any help would be greatly > appreciated! > > Regards, > HickBilly 1. At the grub boot prompt, just enter a 3 for your current boot. 2. Once you're at a root prompt, edit /etc/inittab to change: id:5:initdefault: to read: id:3:initdefault: so that the next time you boot, the X window system won't start up by default. Al Castanoli From kell at spoonix.com Wed Jan 3 18:54:42 2007 From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:54:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Runlevel Switching In-Reply-To: <1167848843.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <031201c72f91$b73d74d0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <1167848843.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070104005442.GA10674@spoonix.com> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 12:27:23PM -0600, HickBilly wrote: > > To add to what Jeremy said, I always used 'telinit', which upon researching > > it just now is apparently very similar to 'init'. So, > > > > prompt> telinit 3 > > I tried both init, init 3, and telinit 3, and each time bash says the > command was not recognized. Jeremy's response has not reached my server > (roadrunner). Thank you for your help David. It must be cockpit error > on my part. I ran the commands from a user terminal as that appears to > be the only command-line available to me. You need to be root in order to run the command. It's located in /sbin (or /usr/sbin), which isn't in the normal user's path, but the command is definitely there. :) Another option you have is to use virtual consoles. Most distributions provide you with 6 virtual consoles and if an X server is running, it's put on the 7th one. If you are already in a console, you can switch between them by simply hitting +Fx where "x" is 1-6 (or 7 for the X server). If you are in X windows, then you will need to add in the key to switch over to the virtual consoles. So... (inside X, go to the first virtual console): ++F1 (inside a virtual console, get back to X) : +F7 -- K. Spoon From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 18:57:03 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:57:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Runlevel Switching In-Reply-To: <1167848843.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <031201c72f91$b73d74d0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <1167848843.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <459C50DF.8080407@gmail.com> HickBilly wrote: >> To add to what Jeremy said, I always used 'telinit', which upon researching >> it just now is apparently very similar to 'init'. So, >> >> prompt> telinit 3 > > I tried both init, init 3, and telinit 3, and each time bash says the > command was not recognized. Jeremy's response has not reached my server > (roadrunner). Thank you for your help David. It must be cockpit error > on my part. I ran the commands from a user terminal as that appears to > be the only command-line available to me. 1. You have to be root. su - 2. telinit is in /sbin which may not be in your path. Try /sbin/telinit 3 -- Bruce From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 19:27:49 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Jan 3 19:28:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Somewhat OT: SuSE & Novell In-Reply-To: <1167870783.16805.17.camel@phrodo.texas.net> Message-ID: <111944.38808.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> -- Al Castanoli wrote: > > Folks were saying Sun's days were numbered when they > allowed Internet > Explorer to run on Solaris 2.5.1, but not only are > they still around, > they've open sourced the SunOS kernel and Java. I'm > playing around with > Belenix and KDE on the OpenSolaris 10 kernel, and > it's pretty > interesting. There was a time when Sun producted NT > 4.0 computers on a > PCI slot board, too, and even though they've not > been continuing that > technology, they have been working closely with > vmware on future > releases. > > I still prefer Linux, though, and don't think the > Novell/MS agreement is > going to do much to trash SUSE. I'm running > OpenSUSE 10.2 on this box, > and it makes a great vmware host for my Belinux, > Fedora6, and Kubuntu > guests. My kids are booting the Windows guest OS > less and less because > they find OpenSUSE a lot easier to use. > > That said, the Debian apt-get utilities still seem > to run better than > the rpm tools on SUSE and Fedora, but in a business > environment, my > customers prefer the support provided by Novell and > Red Hat to just > having an open source community for support. At > least Fermilab and CERN > start their installs with completely open source > Scientific Linux > distros. I find the Selinux tools a lot easier to > configure than the > myriad of security hardening tools used in > Tru64UNIX, Solaris, HP-UX, > and AIX. In the days of Solaris 2.5.1 I dont think MS was as hated as they are now. I just get tired of MS's crap and Ballmer's remarks with regards to the Linux community stealing MS IP. Its like I was telling you at work, my 8 year old son knows I will not buy a XBox or the 360 just because its made by MS. On the other hand if he wants to run Windows then he can run it on his machine. I give him the choice, he chose Linux but still wants to play some of his Windows games..so Win 2k is running in a VMPlayer session. Open source is the best thing to happen to the computing community..some of the best software I use is free but I did buy MainActor for Linux. I dont mind paying for Linux software IF I need it just like the previous title I listed. I guess I'm a linux bigot and proud of it. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From asexton at swbell.net Wed Jan 3 21:18:16 2007 From: asexton at swbell.net (Art Sexton) Date: Wed Jan 3 21:18:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic In-Reply-To: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <459C71F8.7010103@swbell.net> I am in need of a multi-port pci nic card. Does anyone have one for sale or trade? Thanks! Art Sexton sexton@idxwebservices.com From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 21:46:14 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jan 3 21:46:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SPAM on wiki Message-ID: <459C7886.5060807@gmail.com> I received a note from Frank Huddleston (thanks Frank) that the wiki was not working. Upon investigation, I found that the main wiki page was hacked so bad that php was running out of memory. The hacker had an ip address of 81.177.14.26 or dig -x 81.177.14.26 ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> -x 81.177.14.26 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 22482 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;26.14.177.81.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 177.81.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA ns.rt-comm.ru. hostmaster.rtcomm.ru. 2006112100 28800 7200 1209600 86400 I have blocked the entire 81.177.0.0/16 address space which is assigned by RIPE (http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois/) to a Moscow ISP. According to the log, all the hacks (over 100 separate entries) are coming from the same IP dating back to November 29. I don't monitor the wiki every day, so *please* let me know if you see any hacks (or fix them yourself). Do we have any volunteers to research MediaWiki to see how protect pages from unauthorized updates? -- Bruce From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jan 3 23:48:26 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Thu Jan 4 00:08:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SPAM on wiki In-Reply-To: <459C7886.5060807@gmail.com> References: <459C7886.5060807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701032348.26343.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 21:46, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I received a note from Frank Huddleston (thanks Frank) that the wiki was > not working. Upon investigation, I found that the main wiki page was > hacked so bad that php was running out of memory. The hacker had an ip > address of 81.177.14.26 or > > dig -x 81.177.14.26 [...] > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > 177.81.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA ns.rt-comm.ru. > hostmaster.rtcomm.ru. 2006112100 28800 7200 1209600 86400 [...] Since SATLUG is a local lug.. If I were you I would block all Russian and Asian IP blocks... It saved XCSSA much heartache. And it's not as many Class A's and B's as you would think either. Check out the sites for RIPE and APNIC sites for the latest blocks. For all of Asia, I only had to add 19 class A blocks. And Asia and Russia are where most of the modern hack scans come from. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jan 4 00:05:35 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Thu Jan 4 00:18:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Runlevel Switching In-Reply-To: <459C50DF.8080407@gmail.com> References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1167848843.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <459C50DF.8080407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701040005.36157.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 18:57, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > HickBilly wrote: > >> To add to what Jeremy said, I always used 'telinit', which upon > >> researching it just now is apparently very similar to 'init'. So, > >> > >> prompt> telinit 3 On most GNU/Linux distros.. it's just a symlink to init: # ls -la /sbin/telinit lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 21 23:16 /sbin/telinit -> init telinit is a remnant of yesteryear.. > 1. You have to be root. su - > 2. telinit is in /sbin which may not be in your path. Try /sbin/telinit 3 Again... in most distros you still must be root: $ /sbin/init 5 init: must be superuser. or some PAM configs will allow for this if you do it from a virtual terminal (CTRL-ALT-F1 as Kelly previously pointed out). If your distro won't allow non root access to this command, then you may be able to do some PAM hacking to fix this: cp -a /etc/pam.d/poweroff /etc/pam.d/init hmm.. not quite that simple.. I ran an strace on it and it looks like you would need to recompile init: ... munmap(0x2aaaaaaac000, 4096) = 0 umask(022) = 022 geteuid() = 500 write(2, "init: must be superuser.\n", 25init: must be superuser. ) = 25 exit_group(1) sorry.. Kelly? Any other ideas? I would set up an alias for init to call "sudo /sbin/init" and then map that in the sodoers file.. that should work. Tweeks From sbender at humana.com Thu Jan 4 06:55:40 2007 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Thu Jan 4 06:55:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic In-Reply-To: <459C71F8.7010103@swbell.net> Message-ID: Hi Art! I think I have an old 2-port compaq server pci nic.. I can check my server when I get home (its not running right now, lol!) Would that fit your bill? Shawn Bender Humana DSI 8119 Datapoint Dr San Antonio, TX. 78229 Art Sexton Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 01/03/2007 09:18 PM Please respond to "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" To "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" cc Subject [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic I am in need of a multi-port pci nic card. Does anyone have one for sale or trade? Thanks! Art Sexton sexton@idxwebservices.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 09:41:39 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Jan 4 09:41:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem Message-ID: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I downloaded SuSE 10.2 and noticed the default fs is ext3. I currently use reiserfs and its served me well..I've "accidentally" powered off my system and others a few times only to have reiserfs save my hide. I've done some reading on reiser vs. ext3 vs. xfs etc but want to know if there are any stats on which is best for desktop use. (head to head comparison would be nice) For what I do..video editing would be the biggest hd hog, but I also run a VMWare session which is my webserver and another vm machine. Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jan 4 10:04:40 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jan 4 10:04:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459D2598.2030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alex Bartonek wrote: I prefer RieserFS because of the journaling. > For what I do..video editing would be the > biggest hd hog, but I also run a VMWare session which > is my webserver and another vm machine. > If you don't mind my asking, Alex.. what's wrong with using the Apache web-server that comes with SuSE? Run up Yast2 on a command line interface (CLI), go to 'software update' (I believe - I can't get to the local console, because the keyboard/monitor have been removed from the server - as it should be) and search and find 'Apache' and you'll also get all the files that need to be included in that package, and SuSEConfig will install it for you. After you customize it, the overhead of the VM can be reduced by removing it, memory is freed up and the machine becomes more like a pentium again, instead of an XT. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Keep out of reach of minors, etc... From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 10:14:04 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Jan 4 10:14:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <459D2598.2030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <24774.62269.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Geoff wrote: > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > I prefer RieserFS because of the journaling. > > > For what I do..video editing would be the > > biggest hd hog, but I also run a VMWare session > which > > is my webserver and another vm machine. > > > > If you don't mind my asking, Alex.. what's wrong > with using the Apache > web-server that comes with SuSE? > > Run up Yast2 on a command line interface (CLI), go > to 'software update' > (I believe - I can't get to the local console, > because the > keyboard/monitor have been removed from the server - > as it should be) > and search and find 'Apache' and you'll also get all > the files that need > to be included in that package, and SuSEConfig will > install it for you. > After you customize it, the overhead of the VM can > be reduced by > removing it, memory is freed up and the machine > becomes more like a > pentium again, instead of an XT. > > Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Keep > out of reach of > minors, etc... I do that because it gives me the luxury of upgrading my system without having to worry about breaking anything with a OS update. That webserver is running apache/mysql/php/etc on a SuSE 10.1 VM session. If for whatever reason my mobo goes caput, I can just copy my vm session to another system and viola..up and running again. Speed wise...my system is quick, plenty of memory/hd space.. I dont notice a big slow down running vmware. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jan 4 10:16:44 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jan 4 10:17:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <24774.62269.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <24774.62269.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459D286C.8@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alex Bartonek wrote: > I do that because it gives me the luxury of upgrading > my system without having to worry about breaking > anything with a OS update. That webserver is running > apache/mysql/php/etc on a SuSE 10.1 VM session. If > for whatever reason my mobo goes caput, I can just > copy my vm session to another system and viola..up and > running again. Speed wise...my system is quick, > plenty of memory/hd space.. I dont notice a big slow > down running vmware. > Glad I took out the assumption that you were running some Micro$sloth product, in the original message ;-) Whatever works for ya, man... and, that honestly sounds like a better way of doing things. -- -Geoff From leon36 at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 11:15:18 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Jan 4 11:15:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459D3626.2070908@gmail.com> http://fsbench.netnation.com/ http://fsbench.netnation.com/new_hardware/combined/iozone.html Some info and benchmarks. I really like ext2, but I everytime my desktop would lock up or I would have to force it off I would loose a bunch of kde config files. Then I would have to spend 2 hours editing everything to get my theme right again. I switched to ext3 with journal_data_writeback and although the file integrity is there, the writes are slow. A disc to disc copy would normally pull 45m/Bs with ext2. With ext3 a disc to disc copy will start out at 50m/Bs, but quickly fall down to 10m/Bs :( Took me like almost 4 hours to copy 80gb of data the other night :-/ The more I read about filesystems, the more I realize there is not a "jack of all trades". Sam Alex Bartonek wrote: > I downloaded SuSE 10.2 and noticed the default fs is > ext3. I currently use reiserfs and its served me > well..I've "accidentally" powered off my system and > others a few times only to have reiserfs save my hide. > I've done some reading on reiser vs. ext3 vs. xfs etc > but want to know if there are any stats on which is > best for desktop use. (head to head comparison would > be nice) For what I do..video editing would be the > biggest hd hog, but I also run a VMWare session which > is my webserver and another vm machine. > > Alex > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 11:58:18 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Jan 4 11:58:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/4/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I downloaded SuSE 10.2 and noticed the default fs is > ext3. I currently use reiserfs and its served me > well..I've "accidentally" powered off my system and > others a few times only to have reiserfs save my hide. > I've done some reading on reiser vs. ext3 vs. xfs etc > but want to know if there are any stats on which is > best for desktop use. (head to head comparison would > be nice) For what I do..video editing would be the > biggest hd hog, but I also run a VMWare session which > is my webserver and another vm machine. > > Alex The SATLUG Wiki "File Systems" might have what you need. <> If you find something you like better, or is newer, pass it on by adding it to the Wiki. From j at jvpappas.net Thu Jan 4 12:25:53 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Jan 4 12:25:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <24774.62269.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <459D2598.2030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <24774.62269.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450701041025m76088712v4d34320a0db6106@mail.gmail.com> FWIW, I run my production environment in a similar way. Keeps data compartmentalized and Applicaitons discrete. Upgrades are subsequently limited to breaking one app, rather than all apps. Since linux can be tuned to minimize overhead, the VM overhead is minimal. More below: On 1/4/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > --- Geoff wrote: > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > I prefer RieserFS because of the journaling. > > I like Reiser due to its handling of small files, and since *nix likes small text config files, that is a good fit for a root. I also love the `resize_reiserfs` command. I have used it extensively (in parallel with LVM of course) to manage my storage. EXT is not as resize friendly AFAIK. Maybe recent development efforts will prove this to be wrong. XFS is NOT as resize friendly, but it is REALLY good with small files, and has a larger set of tools (xfsdump/xfsrestore, etc). I am sure SUSE has moved back to EXT3 since Mr Reiser's run in with the law. If the project's namesake is out of the picture, then a risk adverse company will move to a less risky default. > > For what I do..video editing would be the > > > biggest hd hog, but I also run a VMWare session > > which > > > is my webserver and another vm machine. > > > EXT3 (with appropo options) is very good with big files (Video, VMDK's) so I would not be uncomfortable recommending that solution. I will have to revisit EXT3 and see if an LVM resize is handled better now. If you do not find yourself resizing space a lot, then this shortcomming should not affect your selection of FS's. BTW, SATLUG has had extensive FS discussions in the past, so you would be well served with an archive search. > If you don't mind my asking, Alex.. what's wrong > > with using the Apache > > web-server that comes with SuSE? Nothing, But having SugarCRM, Drupal, Alfresco, and Zimbra running on the same OS instance would be less than ideal. I have 5 Minimal SUSE instances running on my Dual Opteron server for exactly that reason. The aforementioned compartmentalization pays off big for me. I do that because it gives me the luxury of upgrading > my system without having to worry about breaking > anything with a OS update. Amen, VMWare brothers! That webserver is running apache/mysql/php/etc on a SuSE 10.1 VM > session. If > for whatever reason my mobo goes caput, I can just > copy my vm session to another system and viola..up and > running again. Speed wise...my system is quick, > plenty of memory/hd space.. I dont notice a big slow > down running vmware. Again, Agreed. Even though my shop is small, the benefits FAR outweigh the costs. Besides, many have called me a VMWare bigot, so I have to "put my money where my mouth is". Have 4 production servers, and 14 OS (11 SUSE, 2 MS, 1 Fedora) instances, 7 of which are production. The only thing that help me, is a shared storage situation so that I could do workload management more seamlessly, as well as increase availability of VMs. I have been eyeing the Dell SAS array, using external SAS connectivity, rather than ISCSI or FC. I like the ATAoE stuff, but VMWare ESX is not supported with that config, yet at least. I have not personally used a clustered FS otherthan VMFS for sharing VMDK files between processor heads. I am sure that Luster, OCFS, or GFS would work, but I am not sure how it works with ATAoE. John From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jan 4 12:36:29 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jan 4 12:36:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450701041025m76088712v4d34320a0db6106@mail.gmail.com> References: <459D2598.2030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <24774.62269.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4c0ec4450701041025m76088712v4d34320a0db6106@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459D492D.3040701@w5omr.shacknet.nu> John Pappas wrote: > >> If you don't mind my asking, Alex.. what's wrong >> > with using the Apache >> > web-server that comes with SuSE? > > > Nothing, Thanks Alex. From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Jan 4 15:51:03 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:51:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459D76C7.5050907@rugmonster.org> I used to use reiserfs, but moved over to xfs for my media storage earlier last year because it performs better with larger files. I also moved ahead with using it on my desktop and I think it may be slightly faster, but not exceptionally so. Combined with lvm, it makes for nice expansion possibilities, but you would have that with lvm and reiserfs or ext3. One of the features that reiserfs and ext3 have over xfs is that when using lvm, you can reduce their size. Unfortunately, you can't do that with xfs. To be honest, I think ext3 is great all around filesystem. It's been very stable, degrades to ext2 just fine, and with ext4 in the works, looks like it could have a nice upgrade path. They all provide journaling, so there is no real difference there, but xfs does mount and dismount much more quickly than ext3 or reiserfs. I just set up a LAMP server and a Postfix/Cyrus server for a client and went with ext3 for its stability and comparable performance. With their fast drives, the systems both rock. As for your running Apache in the VMWare instance, have you thought about using xen to get native speeds? If performance isn't an issue, then your current solution works just fine, I'm sure. But who doesn't want a little more speed? :P Alex Bartonek wrote: > I downloaded SuSE 10.2 and noticed the default fs is > ext3. I currently use reiserfs and its served me > well..I've "accidentally" powered off my system and > others a few times only to have reiserfs save my hide. > I've done some reading on reiser vs. ext3 vs. xfs etc > but want to know if there are any stats on which is > best for desktop use. (head to head comparison would > be nice) For what I do..video editing would be the > biggest hd hog, but I also run a VMWare session which > is my webserver and another vm machine. > > Alex > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Jan 4 15:55:28 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:55:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic In-Reply-To: <459C71F8.7010103@swbell.net> References: <1167845874.3737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <459C71F8.7010103@swbell.net> Message-ID: <459D77D0.6040103@rugmonster.org> You can find Intel Proo 100+ Dual Port nics on ebay any day of the week for under $20. If fact, I just saw a lot of 3 for $35.00. Anyhow, here's a BuyItNow for $21.25 (includes price + shipping). http://cgi.ebay.com/DELL-Intel-Pro-100-Dual-Port-PCI-NIC-711269-003_W0QQitemZ230073735884QQihZ013QQcategoryZ58304QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Art Sexton wrote: > I am in need of a multi-port pci nic card. Does anyone have one for > sale or trade? > > Thanks! > > Art Sexton > sexton@idxwebservices.com > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 16:11:48 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Jan 4 16:11:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <459D76C7.5050907@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <782269.20675.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- "Daniel J. Givens" wrote: > I used to use reiserfs, but moved over to xfs for my > media storage > earlier last year because it performs better with > larger files. I also > moved ahead with using it on my desktop and I think > it may be slightly > faster, but not exceptionally so. Combined with lvm, > it makes for nice > expansion possibilities, but you would have that > with lvm and reiserfs > or ext3. One of the features that reiserfs and ext3 > have over xfs is > that when using lvm, you can reduce their size. > Unfortunately, you > can't do that with xfs. > > To be honest, I think ext3 is great all around > filesystem. It's been > very stable, degrades to ext2 just fine, and with > ext4 in the works, > looks like it could have a nice upgrade path. They > all provide > journaling, so there is no real difference there, > but xfs does mount > and dismount much more quickly than ext3 or > reiserfs. I just set up a > LAMP server and a Postfix/Cyrus server for a client > and went with ext3 > for its stability and comparable performance. With > their fast drives, > the systems both rock. > > As for your running Apache in the VMWare instance, > have you thought > about using xen to get native speeds? If performance > isn't an issue, > then your current solution works just fine, I'm > sure. But who doesn't > want a little more speed? :P I'll have to take a look at xen. I wonder if anyone has played around w/reiserfs v4? supposedly the fastest fs? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 18:11:59 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Jan 4 18:12:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <782269.20675.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <459D76C7.5050907@rugmonster.org> <782269.20675.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/4/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > I'll have to take a look at xen. I wonder if anyone > has played around w/reiserfs v4? supposedly the > fastest fs? You might want to define "fastest"? Usually this means fastest at writing to the disk. On a busy Storage system this may not be as important as people think when weighed against other needs. According to both "LVM HOWTo" and the "OSS SGI Project", LVM cannot shrink an XFS Filesystem nor a JFS Filesystem. They can all be expanded. These may be important considerations for an environment. [note to myself]: I need to put this out on the Wiki in a neat little table... <> <> In my benchmarking experience the XFS file system was the fastest I ever saw but you had to have the hardware to drive it. Those tests were all done on SGI hardware. I have not run those tests on PC based hardware. There are other considerations now. Like where are you going to be able to get updates, upgrades and bug fixes for both XFS and ReiserFS? This is one reason for the shift back to ext3. The real home run is to be able to use ZFS but it appears it is not ready for Linux "Prime Time". It is being run on Linux but not native. ZFS solves all sorts of administrative problems. It is the sys admin's friend. There is a benchmark of ReiserFS v4 on the SATLUG Wiki under "File Systems" that points to this URL: <> The above URL is for Part 2 of a two part benchmark. Part 1 is on the Wiki page as well. <> Justin Piszcz may have updated his results. From asexton at swbell.net Thu Jan 4 20:41:45 2007 From: asexton at swbell.net (Art Sexton) Date: Thu Jan 4 20:42:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459DBAE9.8090704@swbell.net> That would be perfect! How much do you want for it? Art Shawn Bender wrote: > Hi Art! > > I think I have an old 2-port compaq server pci nic.. I can check my server > when I get home (its not running right now, lol!) > Would that fit your bill? > > Shawn Bender > Humana DSI > 8119 Datapoint Dr > San Antonio, TX. 78229 > > > > > Art Sexton > Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > 01/03/2007 09:18 PM > Please respond to > "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > To > "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > cc > > Subject > [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic > > > > > > > I am in need of a multi-port pci nic card. Does anyone have one for > sale or trade? > > Thanks! > > Art Sexton > sexton@idxwebservices.com > > From sbender at satx.rr.com Thu Jan 4 21:34:29 2007 From: sbender at satx.rr.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Thu Jan 4 21:32:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic In-Reply-To: <459DBAE9.8090704@swbell.net> References: <459DBAE9.8090704@swbell.net> Message-ID: <459DC745.40909@satx.rr.com> Art Sexton wrote: > That would be perfect! How much do you want for it? > > Art > You pick it up and its yours.. I have 2.. if you dont need one.. pass it on! :) Is saturday good? hmmm Morning.. I live in the med center area.. is it ok for you? Shawn From afcasta at texas.net Fri Jan 5 06:39:48 2007 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Fri Jan 5 06:39:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <236066.15236.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1168000788.5355.6.camel@phrodo.texas.net> On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 07:41 -0800, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I downloaded SuSE 10.2 and noticed the default fs is > ext3. I currently use reiserfs and its served me > well..I've "accidentally" powered off my system and > others a few times only to have reiserfs save my hide. > I've done some reading on reiser vs. ext3 vs. xfs etc > but want to know if there are any stats on which is > best for desktop use. (head to head comparison would > be nice) For what I do..video editing would be the > biggest hd hog, but I also run a VMWare session which > is my webserver and another vm machine. > > Alex Jeff Mahoney at SUSE labs explained the change last September at: http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-ditching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/ Although he doesn't come right out and say it, I imagine the main concern is how will Hans Reiser be able to maintain the file system's updates since he's been arrested for suspicion of murder? http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/15741175.htm Al Castanoli From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 08:09:43 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Jan 5 08:09:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <1168000788.5355.6.camel@phrodo.texas.net> Message-ID: <743416.80506.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Al Castanoli wrote: > > Jeff Mahoney at SUSE labs explained the change last > September at: > http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-ditching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/ Some quotes from that... "ReiserFS v3 is a dead end. " "Any changes that aren?t bug fixes are met with violent resistance. " Maybe wifee no likey reiserfs and submitted a bug fix..and you know the rest of the story. (small lol) -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Fri Jan 5 08:20:55 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Fri Jan 5 08:21:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless info Message-ID: <1983.129.111.160.129.1168006855.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Mr. Boswell, Did you receive my email with an odt attachment? It was a draft with some information on wireless for your class. I know that ACCD email is aggressive in blocking emails. Tom King From cjs at cjs226.com Fri Jan 5 08:28:10 2007 From: cjs at cjs226.com (Clif Smith) Date: Fri Jan 5 08:28:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] choosing a filesystem In-Reply-To: <743416.80506.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <1168000788.5355.6.camel@phrodo.texas.net> <743416.80506.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1ea252fb0701050628l5eaed9cas1ce71c3efd09da67@mail.gmail.com> That was horribl(y funny). cjs On 1/5/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > --- Al Castanoli wrote: > > > > Jeff Mahoney at SUSE labs explained the change last > > September at: > > > > http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-ditching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/ > > > Some quotes from that... > > "ReiserFS v3 is a dead end. " > "Any changes that aren't bug fixes are met with > violent resistance. " > > > Maybe wifee no likey reiserfs and submitted a bug > fix..and you know the rest of the story. > > (small lol) > > -Alex > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 09:44:15 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jan 5 09:44:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: Economics of ZFS, ZFS and iSCSI Integration, ZFS and Consumer PCs, ZFS vs VxFS Message-ID: "Economics of ZFS" <> "Paul Murphy posted a good article about ZFS economics in his blog. He correctly states that testing ZFS with a hardware raid controller is nonsensical. You simple don?t need it. We build ZFS to obsolete hardware raid. ZFS works better with direct access to the discs as the performance bottleneck of the hardware raid controller is put out of the equation. It would be fair to compare a Sun/ZFS system without RAID with competing operating system with a hardware raid. From the cost view the economics of enterprise storage will be completely changed by ZFS." Paul Murphy article: "ZFS, HW RAID, and expensive mis-apprehensions" <> =================================================== Ben Rockwood - cuddletech "ZFS and iSCSI Integration: Two Great Powers Collide" <> "OpenSolaris Build 54 is now in the wild. As of Build 53 we have an amazing powerful new feature that will ultimately become a staple of the data center: ZFS and iSCSI Integration. Its now drop dead simple to start dishing out iSCSI Targets to your network, in a way that only ZFS can provide. --- If you didn't already know, ZFS brings the functions of a filesystem and a volume manager together into perfect harmony." "ZFS and Thin Provisioning" <> "ZFS is an amazing and wonderful technology. I say technology because its more than just any one of its capabilities. Being able to dish out, from a single pool, both filesystems and traditional volumes (which I'll call zvol's) makes for an extremely power storage foundation on which to build monumental structures without the traditional complexity that comes from such beloved products as my old friend Veritas Volume Manager (VxVM). In a world in which storage design and management only seemed to get more and more complex, a calm and peaceful breeze has come over the landscape and refreshed all of us baking under the heatlamp of rusty and incapable software. Yes, ZFS makes me happy, very very happy indeed." " - - C O M M E N T S - - For all of the reasons you mentioned, that's simply really exciting. One of the futures I see for ZFS technology is in consumer PCs. "WHAT?" Everyone thinks ZFS is a server technology, and it is, but look at it from a consumer point of view. Rather than having C:, D: , etc. etc. or /vol1 /vol2, you instead have /disk. Period. One seamless, endlessly expandable blob of storage. Your disk fills up, you need a new drive. Get the new drive, if you want to keep all of your photos in MyPhotos, well, you're pretty well stuck unless you free stuff up on that volume. With ZFS, add a new drive, and voila! MyPhotos is now 250G bigger, just like everything else. No copying, no soft-link chicanery, no "short cuts". Nothing. Combine the simplicity of that kind of management with not having to "resize" your "old" 250G filesystem, and it makes the process of adding storage to systems just that much easier. That makes the "computer" part of computer just that much easier to use. We'll get there soon, we're just at the beginning of this new phase. Will (Email) - 12 August '06 - 16:34 " ================================================ "ZFS vs VxFS" <> "Dominic Kay made benchmarks with filebench on ZFS and VxFS. ZFS versus VxFS shootout shows a remarkable performance of ZFS especially as the first public version of ZFS runs against Version 4.1 of VxFS." Dominic Kay Benchmark article: "Filebench: A ZFS v VxFS Shootout" <> "Here is an example of Filebench in action to give you an idea of its capabilities "out of the box" - a run through a couple of the test suites provided with the tool on the popular filesystems ZFS and VxFS/VxVM; I've given sufficient detail so that you can easily reproduce the tests on your own hardware. I apologise for the graphs, which have struggled to survive the Openoffice .odt -> .html conversion. I hadn't the energy to recreate all 24 of them from the original data They summarize the differences between ZFS and VxFS/VM in a number of tests which are covered in greater detail further on . It can be seen that in most cases ZFS performed better at its initial release (in Solaris 10 06/06) than Veritas 4.1; in some cases it does not perform as well; but in all cases it performs differently. The aim of such tests is to give a feel for the differences between products/technologies so intelligent decisions can be made as to which file system is more appropriate for a given purpose." From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 09:45:39 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jan 5 09:45:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: Solaris 10 on a MacBook Pro Message-ID: "Solaris on a Macbook Pro" <> "Daniel summarizes information about running Solaris 10 on a Macbook Pro. Well ... i think i have to save some money ;-)" Daniel's Blog "Solaris 10 on MacBook Pro" <> From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 09:47:12 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jan 5 09:47:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: Great Read at "Strange new worlds, and programming languages..." Message-ID: "Good bye Microsoft; Pete has now left the building!" Monday, September 11, 2006 <> [Article excerpt] "So, today I resigned my job, and completely ended my Microsoft career. I have taken a role as Director with a company at the leading edge of the "Web 2.0" curve. My team and I will write Ruby on Rails code, use Macintosh computers to do so, shun Microsoft technology completely, go to work in shorts and sandals and blast each other with nerf guns. My team is devoted to being the best it can be, to learning, to improving, to pushing boundaries. And it's not Microsoft. I'm writing this on my Mac using NeoOffice Writer while the PC under my desk is, for the last time ever, removing Windows and all the trappings that go with it to install Ubuntu Linux. My Microsoft career is now officially over. Microsoft don't innovate, in my opinion. Vista looks like a pile of crap compared to Mac OS X and Ubuntu with GLX. Their software is buggy, overpriced, and stress inducing. Their development tools are staid, designed and developed by committees to solve every problem you could ever conceive of, while being ideally suited to solving none. The people that write code for a living with Microsoft technologies (by and large -= not all, and if you're reading a blog about coding then you're probably not included in this generalization) are day coders. They code to pick up a pay check ? they have no passion, no drive, little talent and create environments filled with tedium and political bullshit. Today, I've resigned to leave that world behind forever, and I couldn't be happier. Microsoft are the new IBM, and Microsoft customers are just like the huge corporate suit wearing monoliths that bought into the whole IBM mirage back in the 70's and 80's. I don't want to work for IBM. I just want to write cool software with talented passionate people, and make a difference in the world. I want to push the boundaries again like I did in the 80's and early 90's. I want to have fun and come home with a smile and a hug for my wife and kids instead of trudging through the door burdened with stress induced by boredom and corporate ineptitude. Good bye Microsoft. It's been emotional! posted by Pete Wright at 6:07 PM " From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 11:36:43 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jan 5 11:36:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IO-InfoOnly: 1 Terabyte Hitachi Hard Disk $399, ZFS versus VxFS with IOzone, ZFS v VxFS - Ease Message-ID: 1) "1 Terabyte Harddisk - $399" <> "Wow! Enterprise version in the second quarter. The 48 Terabyte Thumper is near" [Source article references---] "Hitachi claims world's first terabyte drive" <> "By INQUIRER staff: Friday 05 January 2007, 08:09 THE STORAGE division of Hitachi said it is introducing the world's first one terabyte (TB) hard drive. The Deskstar 7K1000 will ship this quarter at a price of $399, or as Hitachi puts it, at 40 cents a gigabyte. The firm is also releasing a Cinemastar 1TB drive aimed at the digital video recording market. The Deskstar 1TB drive comes with S-ATA 3Gb/s and P-ATA 133 interfaces. Hitachi said it will introduce an enterprise version of the 1TB drive in the second quarter of this year. ?" 2) "ZFS versus VxFS with IOzone" <> "IOzone is a I/O benchmarking utility that I have blogged about before. I also covered off the results of running Filebench on the two filesystems. Here, for the sake of completeness, are the results of some IOzone runs I did at the same time. The command line for IOzone used the following arguments and options: iozone -R -a -z -b file.wks -g 4G -f testile" [previous article used Filebench] <> 3) "ZFS v VxFS - Ease" <> "I've had people asking me to blog more of my stuff on ZFS, especially in relation to the Veritas suite (Microsoft NTFS and Linux aficionados, make yourselves known to my highly efficient Customer Services team using the comments form below). I did a lot of poking into ZFS performance over the summer. The Veritas Filebench results are already posted here but apart from the numbers, what leapt out straight away was the simplicity of use of ZFS compared to the competition. I'm not talking about GUIs because I grew up in environments (banks, IT vendors) where they simply weren't used either because the required precision in the configuration demanded command line and scripting or the work was remote (for which read "from home in middle of night") and the comms just didn't move the bits fast enough to support GUIs. For a start the conceptual framework is a lot simpler." From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Fri Jan 5 11:57:49 2007 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Fri Jan 5 12:05:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic In-Reply-To: <459DC745.40909@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: I am on Dezavala and I-10...so that would be perfect. Call me at 861-1404 and leave me the address and what time you would like me there. Thanks! Art -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Bender Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:34 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] need multiport pci nic Art Sexton wrote: > That would be perfect! How much do you want for it? > > Art > You pick it up and its yours.. I have 2.. if you dont need one.. pass it on! :) Is saturday good? hmmm Morning.. I live in the med center area.. is it ok for you? Shawn -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From tyler at bleepsoft.com Fri Jan 5 16:11:31 2007 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:11:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Friday Afternoon Woes Message-ID: <67BB8370-08DE-45CD-A494-70894E68A999@bleepsoft.com> It's friday afternoon, I just received an email from the CEO of the company I'm working with explaining that the software I'm solely responsible for, that I've written for SUSE, Redhat, and Mac OS X needs to have all the little remaining issues magically fixed before the weekend is out because they sold something that's barely finished, almost completely untested, and still hasn't been packaged for mass-deployment in any sense. I start driving to San Francisco for MacWorld sunday morning. I like on Blanco Rd, anybody want to come shoot me now? >_< R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Fri Jan 5 16:29:29 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:29:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Friday Afternoon Woes In-Reply-To: <67BB8370-08DE-45CD-A494-70894E68A999@bleepsoft.com> References: <67BB8370-08DE-45CD-A494-70894E68A999@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <1203.129.111.160.129.1168036169.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > It's friday afternoon, I just received an email from the CEO of the > company I'm working with explaining that the software I'm solely > responsible for, that I've written for SUSE, Redhat, and Mac OS X > needs to have all the little remaining issues magically fixed before > the weekend is out because they sold something that's barely > finished, almost completely untested, and still hasn't been packaged > for mass-deployment in any sense. > > I start driving to San Francisco for MacWorld sunday morning. > > > I like on Blanco Rd, anybody want to come shoot me now? >_< Just say that y'all can be no better than Microsoft and all those little "issues" are actually "features". Problem solved!! From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 16:30:08 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:30:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Friday Afternoon Woes In-Reply-To: <67BB8370-08DE-45CD-A494-70894E68A999@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <228141.64681.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- "R. Tyler Ballance" wrote: > It's friday afternoon, I just received an email from > the CEO of the > company I'm working with explaining that the > software I'm solely > responsible for, that I've written for SUSE, Redhat, > and Mac OS X > needs to have all the little remaining issues > magically fixed before > the weekend is out because they sold something > that's barely > finished, almost completely untested, and still > hasn't been packaged > for mass-deployment in any sense. > > I start driving to San Francisco for MacWorld sunday > morning. > > > I like on Blanco Rd, anybody want to come shoot me > now? >_< is bleepsoft a real place or does stand for some sort of foul language? inquiring minds... :) Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tyler at bleepsoft.com Fri Jan 5 16:38:08 2007 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:38:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Friday Afternoon Woes In-Reply-To: <228141.64681.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <228141.64681.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3AA272-984A-44BF-9394-66E1B85A1A41@bleepsoft.com> On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > is bleepsoft a real place or does stand for > some sort of foul language? inquiring minds... > > :) I doubt the plurality of "minds" but anyways, bleep. LLC is an actual company :) The name stems from my constant swearing, for example: "This client has lost their minds!" Cheers :) R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From satlugacct at jchampion.com Fri Jan 5 18:39:55 2007 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Fri Jan 5 18:40:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Friday Afternoon Woes In-Reply-To: <67BB8370-08DE-45CD-A494-70894E68A999@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: <001201c7312b$41fc5880$6801a8c0@Blackhole4> It won't help you but I think we've all been there. I once had a boss that hired me to be a web applications developer (ASP/SQL). Well as luck would have it, they never hired a designer/graphics person. So the next thing I know I'm asked if our web site is ready to launch. I said launch? With what? We have no artwork. He looked at me and said, "I thought you were a web developer" and I said that I was but that as I explained to him during the interview I didn't know how to draw and I repeated that he said he was going to hire someone to help me with graphics, at least on a freelance basis. So he told me to have something ready to launch by the end of the month or else (that was two days away). I gave it my best shot and he was happy initially but then outside public looked in and complained about how bad the graphics looked. He held me responsible and started to yell at me. I told him he was nuts and left. I've been at my current job ever since (more than five years). Last I heard, he was let go and is still unemployed and that's been at least three years. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of R. Tyler Ballance Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:12 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Friday Afternoon Woes It's friday afternoon, I just received an email from the CEO of the company I'm working with explaining that the software I'm solely responsible for, that I've written for SUSE, Redhat, and Mac OS X needs to have all the little remaining issues magically fixed before the weekend is out because they sold something that's barely finished, almost completely untested, and still hasn't been packaged for mass-deployment in any sense. I start driving to San Francisco for MacWorld sunday morning. I like on Blanco Rd, anybody want to come shoot me now? >_< R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 19:35:31 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jan 5 19:35:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Friday Afternoon Woes In-Reply-To: <67BB8370-08DE-45CD-A494-70894E68A999@bleepsoft.com> References: <67BB8370-08DE-45CD-A494-70894E68A999@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: On 1/5/07, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > It's friday afternoon, I just received an email from the CEO of the > company I'm working with explaining that the software I'm solely > responsible for, that I've written for SUSE, Redhat, and Mac OS X > needs to have all the little remaining issues magically fixed before > the weekend is out because they sold something that's barely > finished, almost completely untested, and still hasn't been packaged > for mass-deployment in any sense. > > I start driving to San Francisco for MacWorld sunday morning. > > > I like on Blanco Rd, anybody want to come shoot me now? >_< > > R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software > contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com What great luck for you! Today I sent the: IO-InfoOnly: Great Read at "Strange new worlds, and programming languages..." to the SATLUG mailing. Read the whole article, not just the excerpt in the post. Microsoft kept doing the exact same thing to the writer of the article that is happening to you. There is competent management, incompetent management and management whose competence is in destroying your confidence in your ability by giving you "No Win" tasks and gloating when you fail. Decision Time! It's your career. Do what you think is best for you and your career. No one else will. Keep the resume circulating at all times and have at least 6 months of living expenses salted away. My whole life would have been different if I had had those living expenses put away. Good luck... From tyler at bleepsoft.com Fri Jan 5 20:16:19 2007 From: tyler at bleepsoft.com (R. Tyler Ballance) Date: Fri Jan 5 20:16:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Friday Afternoon Woes In-Reply-To: References: <67BB8370-08DE-45CD-A494-70894E68A999@bleepsoft.com> Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Robert Pearson wrote: > Decision Time! > > It's your career. > Do what you think is best for you and your career. > No one else will. > > Keep the resume circulating at all times and have at least 6 months of > living expenses salted away. > My whole life would have been different if I had had those living > expenses put away. I leave for MacWorld either tomorrow or early-early Sunday (http:// unethicalblogger.com/posts/tyler/going_on_tour) so I'm certainly circulating the resum?s and business cards ;) It's very difficult to jump a ship, even a burning one, when you don't see a rescue vessel on the horizon. Cheers R. Tyler Ballance: Lead Mac Developer at bleep. software contact: tyler@bleepsoft.com | jabber: tyler@jabber.geekisp.com From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 21:17:57 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jan 5 21:18:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SPAM on wiki In-Reply-To: <459C7886.5060807@gmail.com> References: <459C7886.5060807@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/3/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I received a note from Frank Huddleston (thanks Frank) that the wiki was > not working. Upon investigation, I found that the main wiki page was > hacked so bad that php was running out of memory. The hacker had an ip > address of 81.177.14.26 or > > dig -x 81.177.14.26 > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> -x 81.177.14.26 > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 22482 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;26.14.177.81.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > 177.81.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA ns.rt-comm.ru. > hostmaster.rtcomm.ru. 2006112100 28800 7200 1209600 86400 > > I have blocked the entire 81.177.0.0/16 address space which is assigned > by RIPE (http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois/) to a Moscow ISP. > > According to the log, all the hacks (over 100 separate entries) are > coming from the same IP dating back to November 29. > > I don't monitor the wiki every day, so *please* let me know if you see > any hacks (or fix them yourself). > > Do we have any volunteers to research MediaWiki to see how protect pages > from unauthorized updates? > > -- Bruce Thanks, Bruce. You stopped that bad boy. But now we have another one. 206.161.124.210 writes to the Main page right after the phrase "Consult the" and before "[http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_User%27s_Guide MediaWiki User's Guide] for information on customising and using the wiki software." dig -x 206.161.124.210 ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> -x 206.161.124.210 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 466 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;210.124.161.206.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 210.124.161.206.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR 206-161-124-210.pccwbtn.net. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 124.161.206.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns.cais.com. 124.161.206.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns2.cais.com. 124.161.206.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns3.cais.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns.cais.com. 60755 IN A 205.177.10.10 ns2.cais.com. 70145 IN A 205.252.14.129 ;; Query time: 66 msec ;; SERVER: 24.93.41.125#53(24.93.41.125) ;; WHEN: Fri Jan 5 20:57:58 2007 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 180 I am Security challenged so this doesn't mean much to me. Today's contribution removed was:
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From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 22:18:17 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jan 5 22:18:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SPAM on wiki In-Reply-To: References: <459C7886.5060807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <459F2309.1050107@gmail.com> Rob