From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 12:58:41 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:58:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting $200 Notebook Message-ID: <4687EB51.9060501@gmail.com> I found a link to an interesting notebook. It is Flash based and runs Linux (only). It weighs about 2 pounds. http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/ -- Bruce From comptech3 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 13:17:30 2007 From: comptech3 at gmail.com (Mike Ester) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:17:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting $200 Notebook In-Reply-To: <4687EB51.9060501@gmail.com> References: <4687EB51.9060501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fd31f1f0707011117y3ba4015j7b3a70160f1a4342@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I found a link to an interesting notebook. It is Flash based and runs > Linux (only). It weighs about 2 pounds. > > http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/ That is indeed interesting. I'd risk a couple of hundred to try it out. I currently carry a 1G USB stick with Puppy Linux on it. I would love to have an inexpensive laptop like this. From albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 1 13:22:09 2007 From: albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net (mike sullivan) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:22:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting $200 Notebook In-Reply-To: <4687EB51.9060501@gmail.com> References: <4687EB51.9060501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4687F0D1.1080208@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I found a link to an interesting notebook. It is Flash based and runs > Linux (only). It weighs about 2 pounds. > > http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/ > > -- Bruce > Now that is an interesting item. Wonder just how long before it or some thing like it will be available to the public. Mike WN5PMR From donguitar at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 00:42:01 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:42:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need suggestions/alternatives on fast connection Message-ID: <003301c7bc6b$b71a1190$1208a8c0@dec842502> We've given our friend Pam, who spends most of her time in SA but has a place here in Buchanan Lake Village where she spends a few days a week, a 600 MHz P3 with Debian Etch on it. We've been teaching her to use it for the last few weekends and she's taken to it very nicely. In SA her place is near the intersection of 151 & 410 (also near Sea World she says) and her telephone service is with AT&T. She called them to ask about DSL and of course they insisted that she must have Windows. When she told them she'd be using Debian Etch they told her they'd have to send a technician and she'd have to pay a $200 installation charge. Pam is originally from England, very soft spoken, has a gentle nature and is utterly unable to cope with AT&T but she's not about to pay them a $200 installation charge.. I'm thinking it would be good to sign her up online (while she's here next weekend), get the $10 a month deal, then, if one of you lives in her neighborhood and is willing to confront AT&T and assist her in getting the connection up and running it may be possible to circumvent the $200 fee. It might also be fun to report them to the Texas Public Utilities Commission for deliberately making it difficult for Linux users to get service. That smacks of under-the-table nefarious deals with "Big Brother" after all, does it not? Anyway, 1. Can I get a volunteer? 2. Should we just lie and tell them she has Windows XP to get the service initiated and the hardware (DSL modem) sent to her? Suggestions, ideas? Thanks Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/ From chris at hotelcatalyst.com Mon Jul 2 09:36:31 2007 From: chris at hotelcatalyst.com (Chris Ribble) Date: Mon Jul 2 09:36:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need suggestions/alternatives on fast connection In-Reply-To: <003301c7bc6b$b71a1190$1208a8c0@dec842502> References: <003301c7bc6b$b71a1190$1208a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <46890D6F.3020407@hotelcatalyst.com> While I live too far out (and am too busy) to help Pam directly, I can tell you what I would do in this case. 1.) Lie to ATT and tell them you have Windows XP. Let them send out the self-install kit. 2.) If you're not good at configuring iptables and a PPPoE connection on Debian, get a cheapo Linksys router for like $20. PPPoE is very easy to set up on those units. ATT will give you the required information. This will be a far more supportable configuration than just about anything else. 3.) Profit Donguitar wrote: > We've given our friend Pam, who spends most of her time in SA but has a > place here in Buchanan Lake Village where she spends a few days a week, a > 600 MHz P3 with Debian Etch on it. We've been teaching her to use it for > the last few weekends and she's taken to it very nicely. In SA her place is > near the intersection of 151 & 410 (also near Sea World she says) and her > telephone service is with AT&T. She called them to ask about DSL and of > course they insisted that she must have Windows. When she told them she'd > be using Debian Etch they told her they'd have to send a technician and > she'd have to pay a $200 installation charge. Pam is originally from > England, very soft spoken, has a gentle nature and is utterly unable to cope > with AT&T but she's not about to pay them a $200 installation charge.. > > I'm thinking it would be good to sign her up online (while she's here next > weekend), get the $10 a month deal, then, if one of you lives in her > neighborhood and is willing to confront AT&T and assist her in getting the > connection up and running it may be possible to circumvent the $200 fee. It > might also be fun to report them to the Texas Public Utilities Commission > for deliberately making it difficult for Linux users to get service. That > smacks of under-the-table nefarious deals with "Big Brother" after all, does > it not? > > Anyway, > > 1. Can I get a volunteer? > > 2. Should we just lie and tell them she has Windows XP to get the service > initiated and the hardware (DSL modem) sent to her? > > Suggestions, ideas? > > Thanks > > Don Crowder > http://www.don-guitar.com > http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/ > > From masterr at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 10:20:15 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:20:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG wiki In-Reply-To: <467C9659.9080806@shlrm.org> References: <467824BD.40003@gmail.com> <14842c410706200742k7ac3f469p96d0bceda18abd3e@mail.gmail.com> <467C9659.9080806@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <14842c410707020820i3bf25e74ia68d652af8ec8df1@mail.gmail.com> It appears that the wiki was spammed a bit again. This time it is only on one pay, which I already cleaned up, but it appears it was done by a registered user (GnjXm3). Would whoever with admin privileges please remove this user. Thanks. I suppose we should start making the move the moin wiki as suggested by David. On 6/22/07, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Jonathan Hull wrote: > > Thanks for locking it down. No spam has showed up since. Hopefully it won't > > kill the open nature of a Wiki and people will continue editing. > > > > I restored a few pages to their pre-spam versions, including the main page. > > Hopefully I didn't miss anything. > > > > -Jon > > http://satlug.org/moinwiki > > There's also the new moinmoin wiki. It's got builtin anti-spam stuff. So > if people would migrate pages over to that we can eventually replace the > existing wiki with this one. We can safely leave it wide open and not > have to worry about the spam :) > > David > > - -- > David Kowis > > www.sourcemage.org > SourceMage GNU/Linux > > Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to > find easier ways to do something. > - Robert Heinlein > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iQGVAwUBRnyWWMnf+vRw63ObAQogCwwAhhyeqy419aiQivBl+XaumXH1jOfnDImZ > 3kIfoJ2MusJtNABiSMNTmzIfbP4+ULwMU3GyJ+rUTwRQ/VELNgwDDEyYbULD5r+i > fQe3Xp+pmcf9LM1MJ9efDOH48jAGnu3il8fMqgSZTXf6+u8++qwbEqGtz+UCfoze > yst6k8cwmG0f/YDT4CRRWzBauRlANBQp10Lf+FDoWCSUb8N3bvtuFR9CCQ6j8h10 > GbAFvC8vIbUcRGNzselhLn9rcIa2xwLwWHbNm0gy8aBOfHaoxmE+ChwB4JyBgheW > s7RNtRsiqX5YX3A4Pue2UtpM51jdsHsvRdYqnPJZzQCAqP1/rqza2cFu/iLDhnA8 > 8MsBpnPHRJXtdWzTf/8d5cLUnEQmB/Cza8ro1J5ry+Yhn1lOqYwPdcDYMu7Wqe5V > rltRyB1Ri8onxNdkapb0m1d2HRyrzaUnoJqLZoVFTAaOviI6IqcSQkOjOFxPC1Nd > dv6ndBvMLp0tHQHX9iinLLsCD/9F/7GB > =Ii7u > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 10:43:26 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:43:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG wiki In-Reply-To: <14842c410707020820i3bf25e74ia68d652af8ec8df1@mail.gmail.com> References: <467824BD.40003@gmail.com> <14842c410706200742k7ac3f469p96d0bceda18abd3e@mail.gmail.com> <467C9659.9080806@shlrm.org> <14842c410707020820i3bf25e74ia68d652af8ec8df1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46891D1E.8050009@gmail.com> Jonathan Hull wrote: > It appears that the wiki was spammed a bit again. This time it is only > on one pay, which I already cleaned up, but it appears it was done by > a registered user (GnjXm3). Would whoever with admin privileges > please remove this user. Thanks. It appears this may be just a page missed from before I protected it. You don't say which page so I can't check the history. The user you mention is not in the lists. -- Bruce From comptech3 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 10:50:59 2007 From: comptech3 at gmail.com (Mike Ester) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:51:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need suggestions/alternatives on fast connection In-Reply-To: <46890D6F.3020407@hotelcatalyst.com> References: <003301c7bc6b$b71a1190$1208a8c0@dec842502> <46890D6F.3020407@hotelcatalyst.com> Message-ID: <5fd31f1f0707020850l1bc0b965q34fd0733c7bc4955@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Chris Ribble wrote: > > While I live too far out (and am too busy) to help Pam directly, I can > tell you what I would do in this case. > > 1.) Lie to ATT and tell them you have Windows XP. Let them send out the > self-install kit. > > 2.) If you're not good at configuring iptables and a PPPoE connection on > Debian, get a cheapo Linksys router for like $20. PPPoE is very easy to > set up on those units. ATT will give you the required information. This > will be a far more supportable configuration than just about anything > else. > > 3.) Profit > > You must be one of the underpants gnomes. Or a Slashdotter. > From mkr777 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 12:26:53 2007 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Mon Jul 2 12:27:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need suggestions/alternatives on fast connection In-Reply-To: <003301c7bc6b$b71a1190$1208a8c0@dec842502> References: <003301c7bc6b$b71a1190$1208a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: I ordered DSL for $10.00 and they did not even ask me what operating system I have. I called their tech support and told them I do not want to use the cd and want to setup the connection manually. They walked me thru and it took very little time. I advise having a router as well. You can pick up a used one for $10-$20 and will be very helpful. I do not see any reason to spend $200. It would be good she learns some of the setup steps because there would a need to power down and power up the modem and the router from time to time. Mail me offline if you need any info that I have. mkr On 7/2/07, Donguitar wrote: > > We've given our friend Pam, who spends most of her time in SA but has a > place here in Buchanan Lake Village where she spends a few days a week, a > 600 MHz P3 with Debian Etch on it. We've been teaching her to use it for > the last few weekends and she's taken to it very nicely. In SA her place > is > near the intersection of 151 & 410 (also near Sea World she says) and her > telephone service is with AT&T. She called them to ask about DSL and of > course they insisted that she must have Windows. When she told them she'd > be using Debian Etch they told her they'd have to send a technician and > she'd have to pay a $200 installation charge. Pam is originally from > England, very soft spoken, has a gentle nature and is utterly unable to > cope > with AT&T but she's not about to pay them a $200 installation charge.. > > I'm thinking it would be good to sign her up online (while she's here next > weekend), get the $10 a month deal, then, if one of you lives in her > neighborhood and is willing to confront AT&T and assist her in getting the > connection up and running it may be possible to circumvent the $200 > fee. It > might also be fun to report them to the Texas Public Utilities Commission > for deliberately making it difficult for Linux users to get service. That > smacks of under-the-table nefarious deals with "Big Brother" after all, > does > it not? > > Anyway, > > 1. Can I get a volunteer? > > 2. Should we just lie and tell them she has Windows XP to get the > service > initiated and the hardware (DSL modem) sent to her? > > Suggestions, ideas? > > Thanks > > Don Crowder > http://www.don-guitar.com > http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From masterr at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 13:15:56 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:16:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG wiki In-Reply-To: <46891D1E.8050009@gmail.com> References: <467824BD.40003@gmail.com> <14842c410706200742k7ac3f469p96d0bceda18abd3e@mail.gmail.com> <467C9659.9080806@shlrm.org> <14842c410707020820i3bf25e74ia68d652af8ec8df1@mail.gmail.com> <46891D1E.8050009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410707021115l139562c4q75ec48f85bc8f35c@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Jonathan Hull wrote: > > It appears that the wiki was spammed a bit again. This time it is only > > on one pay, which I already cleaned up, but it appears it was done by > > a registered user (GnjXm3). Would whoever with admin privileges > > please remove this user. Thanks. > > It appears this may be just a page missed from before I protected it. > You don't say which page so I can't check the history. The user you > mention is not in the lists. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > It shows up if you go to recent changes. http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges The page was http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Web_Hosting_Services User: http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:GnjXm3 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 13:46:46 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:47:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG wiki In-Reply-To: <14842c410707021115l139562c4q75ec48f85bc8f35c@mail.gmail.com> References: <467824BD.40003@gmail.com> <14842c410706200742k7ac3f469p96d0bceda18abd3e@mail.gmail.com> <467C9659.9080806@shlrm.org> <14842c410707020820i3bf25e74ia68d652af8ec8df1@mail.gmail.com> <46891D1E.8050009@gmail.com> <14842c410707021115l139562c4q75ec48f85bc8f35c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46894816.7040406@gmail.com> Jonathan Hull wrote: > It shows up if you go to recent changes. > http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges > > The page was http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Web_Hosting_Services > User: http://satlug.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:GnjXm3 OK, got it. It seems that this guy had registered some time ago and we didn't remove the name. I've deleted ALL users that have registered without listing a real name. This may get some legitimate users, but I can register anyone you asks. There were about 20 with random looking passwords with a length of 6 characters. Users can also use the common username/pw. -- Bruce From masterr at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 13:58:15 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:58:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need suggestions/alternatives on fast connection In-Reply-To: <5fd31f1f0707020850l1bc0b965q34fd0733c7bc4955@mail.gmail.com> References: <003301c7bc6b$b71a1190$1208a8c0@dec842502> <46890D6F.3020407@hotelcatalyst.com> <5fd31f1f0707020850l1bc0b965q34fd0733c7bc4955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410707021158m2db8fc3fja752206da0681b6f@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Mike Ester wrote: > On 7/2/07, Chris Ribble wrote: > > > > While I live too far out (and am too busy) to help Pam directly, I can > > tell you what I would do in this case. > > > > 1.) Lie to ATT and tell them you have Windows XP. Let them send out the > > self-install kit. > > > > 2.) If you're not good at configuring iptables and a PPPoE connection on > > Debian, get a cheapo Linksys router for like $20. PPPoE is very easy to > > set up on those units. ATT will give you the required information. This > > will be a far more supportable configuration than just about anything > > else. > > > > 3.) Profit > > > > You must be one of the underpants gnomes. Or a Slashdotter. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Or both? :-P Time to go to work, work all night... From donguitar at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 17:10:57 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:11:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Job Opportunity in GA. Message-ID: <006901c7bcf5$de7ecd90$1208a8c0@dec842502> My wife and I are avid readers and we do a lot of book trading at paperbackswap.com. This is from their current newsletter. (This would be a perfect telecommute gig but they've ruled that out. I expect they had a bad experience). Postion: Web_PHP_2007_06_A Location: Rome, GA Position Type: Fulltime Telecommute: No Travel Required: No Compensation: based upon experience Job Description Assist in supporting, designing, building and maintaining professional grade, high-traffic websites. Ideal candidate will have a minimum four-year degree in computer science or related field. Out of the box thinking and an entrepreneurial mind set is a huge plus. Opportunities to advance are immense and plentiful. Being a good team player is an absolute must-have. Excellent written communication is a plus. Applicants that would like to be part of an exciting suite of sites are strongly encouraged to apply. If you enjoy solving problems in unique and new ways this is a great opportunity. Strong working knowledge of PHP, Apache, MySQL 1+ Years of fulltime PHP experience HTML, JavsScript, CSS Experience using AJAX Experience with Linux systems a plus Understanding of XML a plus Send a copy of your resume in PDF format to hr@paperbackswap.com. Be prepared to provide references and examples of experience on request. From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jul 2 20:55:21 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:55:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting $200 Notebook In-Reply-To: <4687F0D1.1080208@sbcglobal.net> References: <4687EB51.9060501@gmail.com> <4687F0D1.1080208@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450707021855p6f165b07l78473f2c12609882@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/07, mike sullivan wrote: > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I found a link to an interesting notebook. It is Flash based and runs > > Linux (only). It weighs about 2 pounds. > > > > http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/ > > Now that is an interesting item. Wonder just how long before it or some > thing like it will be available to the public. The price is compelling, but the concept is being deployed for "Mobile Thin-Client" laptop concept (google and you will see a bunch of options). I would be interested to see this in practice, or how such a "thin client" solution overcomes things like displaying full-motion video. Anyone running remote desktops/centralized apps or such? John From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jul 2 21:08:22 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jul 2 21:09:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Rain threat for South Texas Message-ID: <4689AF96.4010806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Accidents happen. Forewarned is forearmed, and a hundred other cliche's apply, but the simple fact of the matter is; knowledge is power. Please use this knowledge to keep your self (and your Linux gear) safe from Mother Nature. ____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Eblen" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: Heavy Rain Threat Repositioning into South Central Texas All, A upper level low pressure area that produced flooding in North Texas and Oklahoma this weekend is expected to redevelop southward through the next two days. That puts all of South Central Texas under threat of increased heavy rain and flash flooding today through Wednesday. We expect widespread showers and thunderstorms currently along and southeast of a Gonzales to Karnes City line will slowly spread northwestward to the IH35 corridor between San Antonio and Austin this afternoon and evening. Most rain totals will be between 1 and 3 inches, but isolated amounts as high as 6 to 8 inches could result from repeat rainfall in the slow-moving storms. A Flash Flood Watch is in effect along and east of a line from Kerrville to Pearsall to Carrizo Springs through 10 pm. On Tuesday the low is expected to form scattered showers and thunderstorms closer to the IH35 corridor. Again, most rain amounts will be between 1 and 3 inches, but repeat storms will produce isolated totals of 6 to 8 inches. The outlook for Wednesday is for the greatest rain threat to be south and west of a line from Del Rio to San Antonio to Pleasanton, with a possibility of some locations receiving as much as 8 inches. Please emphasize "Turn Around, Don't Drown." Please call if you have questions or concerns. Our web page: www.srh.weather.gov/ewx Our discussions: www.srh.weather.gov/data/ewx/afdewx New Braunfels (zoom-able) Nexrad: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?product=N0R&rid=ewx&loop=yes Brackettville (zoom-able) Nexrad: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?product=N0R&rid=dfx&loop=yes Larry and the EWX Staff ________________________ Thanks for your time. Have a Happy 4th of July! And now, Back to Linux! -- -Geoff From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 12:47:18 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:47:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I've recently run into a roadblock trying to get DVDs to play using xine, totem-xine, kaffeine-xine. I've following the instructions in the Getting Started Guide at Ubuntu and have installed libdvdread3 and libdvdcss2 but no matter what, it doesn't look like any of the players are picking up the face that libdvdcss2 is installed as it keeps giving me errors about trying to read an encrypted dvd without libdvdcss. Has anyone else encountered this problem before? Ed From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 12:58:45 2007 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:59:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0707031058g71570eas3f7f71324224a74a@mail.gmail.com> Ed, Download Automatix and let it get the codecs that you need to play encrypted DVD's. It works, you just have to say yes when it asks it question at the very beginning. :-) I'm not sure if it is in the repository for Ubuntu, but you can download the proper version for Ubuntu at http://www.getautomatix.com/ It's the EASIEST solution that I've found and seems to work better than when I had previously tried the libdvdcss2 install method. Jim On 7/3/07, Ed Coates wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've recently run into a roadblock trying to get DVDs to play using > xine, totem-xine, kaffeine-xine. I've following the instructions in > the Getting Started Guide at Ubuntu and have installed libdvdread3 and > libdvdcss2 but no matter what, it doesn't look like any of the players > are picking up the face that libdvdcss2 is installed as it keeps > giving me errors about trying to read an encrypted dvd without > libdvdcss. > > Has anyone else encountered this problem before? > > Ed > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From riugakusei at aim.com Tue Jul 3 13:07:58 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:08:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> have you checked the ubuntu forums... some one posted the same problem and the solution as well... i don't remmember the link.... but i do remmember the? problem.... check the ubuntu forums Medar -----Original Message----- From: Ed Coates To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:47 pm Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs Hi All,? ? I've recently run into a roadblock trying to get DVDs to play using? xine, totem-xine, kaffeine-xine. I've following the instructions in? the Getting Started Guide at Ubuntu and have installed libdvdread3 and? libdvdcss2 but no matter what, it doesn't look like any of the players? are picking up the face that libdvdcss2 is installed as it keeps? giving me errors about trying to read an encrypted dvd without? libdvdcss.? ? Has anyone else encountered this problem before?? ? Ed? -- _______________________________________________? SATLUG mailing list? SATLUG@satlug.org? http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe? Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)? ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 13:32:45 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:33:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0707031058g71570eas3f7f71324224a74a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0707031058g71570eas3f7f71324224a74a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707031132n18c961a6l443671d52cbf245e@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Jim Wells wrote: > Ed, > Download Automatix and let it get the codecs that you need to play encrypted > DVD's. It works, you just have to say yes when it asks it question at the > very beginning. :-) > I'm not sure if it is in the repository for Ubuntu, but you can download the > proper version for Ubuntu at http://www.getautomatix.com/ It's the EASIEST > solution that I've found and seems to work better than when I had previously > tried the libdvdcss2 install method. > > Jim Jim, I took your advice and installed automatix2 and then installed everything that way. It still isn't reading the DVDs and still complaining about libdvdcss and encrypted DVDs. Any other ideas? Ed From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 13:33:43 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:34:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > > have you checked the ubuntu forums... some one posted the same problem and the solution as well... i don't remmember the link.... but i do remmember the? problem.... check the ubuntu forums > > > > > > Medar Medar, I'll check there again, but I thought that I had already tried everything there. Thanks for the response. Ed From eli at then7.com Tue Jul 3 13:34:45 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:35:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0707031058g71570eas3f7f71324224a74a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0707031058g71570eas3f7f71324224a74a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51432.76.184.78.194.1183487685.squirrel@76.184.78.194> On Tue, July 3, 2007 12:58 pm, Jim Wells said: > Ed, > Download Automatix and let it get the codecs that you need to play > encrypted > DVD's. It works, you just have to say yes when it asks it question at the > very beginning. :-) > I'm not sure if it is in the repository for Ubuntu, but you can download > the > proper version for Ubuntu at http://www.getautomatix.com/ It's the > EASIEST > solution that I've found and seems to work better than when I had > previously > tried the libdvdcss2 install method. > > Jim Ditto on the Automatix. There is all sorts of other useful stuff that Automatix gives easy access to. e From eli at then7.com Tue Jul 3 13:40:07 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:40:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> On Tue, July 3, 2007 1:33 pm, Ed Coates said: > On 7/3/07, riugakusei@aim.com wrote: >> >> have you checked the ubuntu forums... some one posted the same problem >> and the solution as well... i don't remmember the link.... but i do >> remmember the? problem.... check the ubuntu forums >> >> >> >> >> >> Medar > Medar, > > I'll check there again, but I thought that I had already tried > everything there. Thanks for the response. > > Ed > -- Ed, I remember this being an issue once, and finding the fix. Apparently there's some script you have to run. I'm not sure what versions this applies to, etc. i.e. I'm sketchy on the details, but you could google sequence to find out more about it. Here's what my notes show: sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh e From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 13:45:52 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:46:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing to USB only Message-ID: <628319.54750.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I have a Dell laptop and I dont want a boot manager installed on the internal HD (its a work laptop).. so if I pull the internal hd and hook up a USB hard drive, will I be able to install/boot linux? Never tried it this way but wanted to ask before I take the plunge.. -Alex ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From eli at then7.com Tue Jul 3 13:46:06 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:46:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> Message-ID: <44724.76.184.78.194.1183488366.squirrel@76.184.78.194> On Tue, July 3, 2007 1:40 pm, Eli Cantu said: > On Tue, July 3, 2007 1:33 pm, Ed Coates said: >> On 7/3/07, riugakusei@aim.com wrote: >>> >>> have you checked the ubuntu forums... some one posted the same problem >>> and the solution as well... i don't remmember the link.... but i do >>> remmember the? problem.... check the ubuntu forums >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Medar >> Medar, >> >> I'll check there again, but I thought that I had already tried >> everything there. Thanks for the response. >> >> Ed >> -- > > Ed, > > I remember this being an issue once, and finding the fix. Apparently > there's some script you have to run. I'm not sure what versions this > applies to, etc. i.e. I'm sketchy on the details, but you could google > sequence to find out more about it. > > Here's what my notes show: > > sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 > sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh > > e > feisty has a different path to script sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh e From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 13:47:51 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:48:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707031147k53e9c6d3gf4ae1825fb88096@mail.gmail.com> > Ed, > > I remember this being an issue once, and finding the fix. Apparently > there's some script you have to run. I'm not sure what versions this > applies to, etc. i.e. I'm sketchy on the details, but you could google > sequence to find out more about it. > > Here's what my notes show: > > sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 > sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh > > e Eli, Thank you for the reply. I've just tried it, and to no avail. Still getting errors when trying to play DVDs. Ed From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 13:52:34 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:52:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <44724.76.184.78.194.1183488366.squirrel@76.184.78.194> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <44724.76.184.78.194.1183488366.squirrel@76.184.78.194> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707031152y1a6e08d5jb18bddf89b7ce51@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Eli Cantu wrote: > > feisty has a different path to script > > sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh > > e Eli, Just ran that, and it's still a no go. All these things should work, but for some reason, they don't here. I don't have a fancy install, just one right off the cd...no modifications/hacks done to it at all. Ed From dcope at mosso.com Tue Jul 3 13:57:39 2007 From: dcope at mosso.com (derek) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:59:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs Message-ID: <468A9C23.3020904@mosso.com> I usually bypass all my DVD,AVI,MPEG, and other video format problems by installing VLC(video LAN). It seems to come with a majority of the DIVX and other codecs that wont come with a distro anymore. Hope this helps. Derek From donguitar at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 14:22:17 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Tue Jul 3 14:22:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing to USB only References: <628319.54750.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a101c7bda7$78a13f50$1108a8c0@dec842502> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Bartonek" > I have a Dell laptop and I dont want a boot manager > installed on the internal HD (its a work laptop).. so > if I pull the internal hd and hook up a USB hard > drive, will I be able to install/boot linux? Never > tried it this way but wanted to ask before I take the > plunge.. I'm guessing it will work nicely but if you're willing to pull the hard drive, can't you just scrounge up another one to use in its place? Wouldn't that be the easiest solution? Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/ From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 14:24:17 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jul 3 14:24:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing to USB only In-Reply-To: <00a101c7bda7$78a13f50$1108a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <897085.69434.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> yup it would be easier but I dont have a 2.5" SATA hard drive handy. --- Donguitar wrote: > I'm guessing it will work nicely but if you're > willing to pull the hard > drive, can't you just scrounge up another one to use > in its place? Wouldn't > that be the easiest solution? > > Don Crowder ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Jul 3 15:33:41 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 15:34:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing to USB only Message-ID: <7e167176d2cf42959f1d88db296dc251.scs@worldlinkisp.com> I have a Dell laptop and I dont want a boot manager installed on the internal HD (its a work laptop).. so if I pull the internal hd and hook up a USB hard drive, will I be able to install/boot linux? Never tried it this way but wanted to ask before I take the plunge. -------------------------------------------------- Yes provided the bios allows you to boot from a usb device (and cdrom to setup linux on the usb drive). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From eli at then7.com Tue Jul 3 15:46:04 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Tue Jul 3 15:45:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0707031152y1a6e08d5jb18bddf89b7ce51@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <44724.76.184.78.194.1183488366.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <8ee65edd0707031152y1a6e08d5jb18bddf89b7ce51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468AB58C.1010603@then7.com> Ed Coates wrote: > On 7/3/07, Eli Cantu wrote: >> >> feisty has a different path to script >> >> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh >> >> e > Eli, > > Just ran that, and it's still a no go. All these things should work, > but for some reason, they don't here. I don't have a fancy install, > just one right off the cd...no modifications/hacks done to it at all. > > Ed Hmmm. That is a mystery. I haven't played a DVD lately on Feisty. I'll give it a go tonight and see if I run into any troubles. I had it working under Dapper with the install-css.sh script. I'll let you know. Also I lost track of which clients you tried...e.g. vlc, mplayer, totem, xine, etc I've also apt-get installed "gxine" as well. I've had good luck with those 3 (vlc, gmplayer/mplayer and gxine). e e From gabriel.cornyn at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 17:16:25 2007 From: gabriel.cornyn at gmail.com (Gabriel Cornyn) Date: Tue Jul 3 17:16:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing to USB only In-Reply-To: <628319.54750.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <628319.54750.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Before you start yanking your internal HD out, check if you can just mark Boot from USB as the primary boot device in the BIOS. > I have a Dell laptop and I dont want a boot manager > installed on the internal HD (its a work laptop).. so > if I pull the internal hd and hook up a USB hard > drive, will I be able to install/boot linux? Never > tried it this way but wanted to ask before I take the > plunge.. > > -Alex From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:06:43 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 3 19:07:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <468AB58C.1010603@then7.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <44724.76.184.78.194.1183488366.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <8ee65edd0707031152y1a6e08d5jb18bddf89b7ce51@mail.gmail.com> <468AB58C.1010603@then7.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707031706t2fcf09eby671a630ba0059dbb@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Eli Cantu wrote: > Hmmm. That is a mystery. I haven't played a DVD lately on Feisty. > I'll give it a go tonight and see if I run into any troubles. I had it > working under Dapper with the install-css.sh script. I'll let you > know. Also I lost track of which clients you tried...e.g. vlc, mplayer, > totem, xine, etc I've also apt-get installed "gxine" as well. I've had > good luck with those 3 (vlc, gmplayer/mplayer and gxine). > > e Here's the long list: xine, totem-xine, kaffeine-xine, (g)mplayer, vlc, and gxine. They all have problems and here's what I get when I start from the command line: lirc: cannot initialise - disabling remote control lirc: maybe lircd isn't running or you can't connect to the socket? sysname: Linux release: 2.6.20-16-generic machine: i686 X-Video Extension version 2.2 video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x32595559 (YUY2) packed video_out_xv: this adaptor supports the yuy2 format. video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x32315659 (YV12) planar video_out_xv: this adaptor supports the yv12 format. video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x59565955 (UYVY) packed video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x30323449 (I420) planar video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x35315652 (RV15) packed video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x36315652 (RV16) packed video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x55595659 (YVYU) packed video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x3231564e (NV12) planar video_out_xv: Xv image format: 0x3132564e (NV21) planar libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.4 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading libdvdnav: vm: faild to open/read the DVD libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.4 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading libdvdnav: vm: faild to open/read the DVD xine-lib: error: Read error from:: /dev/dvd xine-lib: error: The xine engine failed to start.: No input plugin was found. Maybe the file does not exist or cannot be accessed, or there is an error in the URL. P.S. The regionset command shows that it plays region 1 DVDs: edcoates@nightscape:~$ regionset /dev/dvd regionset version 0.1 -- reads/sets region code on DVD drives Current Region Code settings: RPC Phase: II type: SET vendor resets available: 4 user controlled changes resets available: 4 drive plays discs from region(s): 1, mask=0xFE From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:14:44 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 3 19:15:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0707031706t2fcf09eby671a630ba0059dbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <44724.76.184.78.194.1183488366.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <8ee65edd0707031152y1a6e08d5jb18bddf89b7ce51@mail.gmail.com> <468AB58C.1010603@then7.com> <8ee65edd0707031706t2fcf09eby671a630ba0059dbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707031714i70834bb7y9cdc9508144ac1c2@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Ed Coates wrote: > On 7/3/07, Eli Cantu wrote: > > Hmmm. That is a mystery. I haven't played a DVD lately on Feisty. > > I'll give it a go tonight and see if I run into any troubles. I had it > > working under Dapper with the install-css.sh script. I'll let you > > know. Also I lost track of which clients you tried...e.g. vlc, mplayer, > > totem, xine, etc I've also apt-get installed "gxine" as well. I've had > > good luck with those 3 (vlc, gmplayer/mplayer and gxine). > > > > e > Here's the long list: xine, totem-xine, kaffeine-xine, (g)mplayer, > vlc, and gxine. They all have problems and here's what I get when I > start from the command line: > Downgraded libdvdcss to 1.2.5-1 and here's what I get with xine: lirc: cannot initialise - disabling remote control lirc: maybe lircd isn't running or you can't connect to the socket? libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.4 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.5 for DVD access libdvdnav: DVD Title: OCTOBER_SKY libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 31730369 libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/edcoates/.dvdnav/OCTOBER_SKY.map' libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.4 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.5 for DVD access libdvdnav: DVD Title: OCTOBER_SKY libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 31730369 libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/edcoates/.dvdnav/OCTOBER_SKY.map' libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO xine-lib: error: Read error from:: /dev/dvd xine-lib: error: The xine engine failed to start.: No input plugin was found. Maybe the file does not exist or cannot be accessed, or there is an error in the URL. From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 20:58:32 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Jul 3 20:58:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu Feisty and Playing DVDs In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0707031714i70834bb7y9cdc9508144ac1c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707031047u70b86839wcad57312dc8de900@mail.gmail.com> <8C98BB4389A9FD8-C54-346C@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <8ee65edd0707031133v5b07414dic4dcdf4566c7f793@mail.gmail.com> <59777.76.184.78.194.1183488007.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <44724.76.184.78.194.1183488366.squirrel@76.184.78.194> <8ee65edd0707031152y1a6e08d5jb18bddf89b7ce51@mail.gmail.com> <468AB58C.1010603@then7.com> <8ee65edd0707031706t2fcf09eby671a630ba0059dbb@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0707031714i70834bb7y9cdc9508144ac1c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707031858t23d1a0ebi68bd284d5b3ea82a@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Ed Coates wrote: > On 7/3/07, Ed Coates wrote: > > On 7/3/07, Eli Cantu wrote: > > > Hmmm. That is a mystery. I haven't played a DVD lately on Feisty. > > > I'll give it a go tonight and see if I run into any troubles. I had it > > > working under Dapper with the install-css.sh script. I'll let you > > > know. Also I lost track of which clients you tried...e.g. vlc, mplayer, > > > totem, xine, etc I've also apt-get installed "gxine" as well. I've had > > > good luck with those 3 (vlc, gmplayer/mplayer and gxine). > > > > > > e Well, I might have solved the mystery of the non-playing DVDs...seems that there might be a hardware issue with the DVD drive. According to dmesg, there are a bunch of seek and sr0: Current: sense key: Hardware Error being reported. Might be time to take a look at another drive Thanks everyone for all the ideas and help. Ed From riugakusei at aim.com Tue Jul 3 23:01:55 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 23:02:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing kde desktop on suse 10.2 Message-ID: <8C98C0732062DDD-AC0-41C3@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> i am running suse 10.2 and i forgot to install The Kde destop when i did my install, anyone knows to install it via commandline or any repositry file that must be added to yast in order to install the entire kde destop. Thanks in Advanced Medar ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 4 00:14:28 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 4 00:15:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing kde desktop on suse 10.2 In-Reply-To: <8C98C0732062DDD-AC0-41C3@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C98C0732062DDD-AC0-41C3@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <468B2CB4.60707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > i am running suse 10.2 and i forgot to install The Kde destop when i did my install, anyone knows to install it via commandline or any repositry file that must be added to yast in order to install the entire kde destop. > Thanks in Advanced You should be able to just go into Yast2 and click on 'kde' in the software managment area. It should solve your dependencies, and install all the packages you need. you can only run yast2 as root. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 4 00:27:11 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 4 00:28:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing kde desktop on suse 10.2 In-Reply-To: <468B2CB4.60707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <8C98C0732062DDD-AC0-41C3@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> <468B2CB4.60707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <468B2FAF.3080408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Geoff wrote: > riugakusei@aim.com wrote: >> i am running suse 10.2 and i forgot to install The Kde destop when i >> did my install, anyone knows to install it via commandline or any >> repositry file that must be added to yast in order to install the >> entire kde destop. >> Thanks in Advanced > > You should be able to just go into Yast2 and click on 'kde' in the > software managment area. > It should solve your dependencies, and install all the packages you need. > > you can only run yast2 as root. > wait, sorry... you can't 'click' on anything, if you don't have a gui ;) you'll need to execute yast2 at the command line, as root. -- -Geoff From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jul 4 07:32:50 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jul 4 07:33:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing kde desktop on suse 10.2 In-Reply-To: <468B2FAF.3080408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <8C98C0732062DDD-AC0-41C3@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> <468B2CB4.60707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468B2FAF.3080408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450707040532l7166b4f7ga97e00dd0edaf582@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/07, Geoff wrote: > > Geoff wrote: > > riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > >> i am running suse 10.2 and i forgot to install The Kde destop when i > >> did my install, anyone knows to install it via commandline or any > >> repositry file that must be added to yast in order to install the > >> entire kde destop. If you want the cutting edge KDE stuff then there is an additional repo, but if you just want 10.2's default KDE versions, then no added repos are needed. Will assume that you did not do "Minimum X" or "Text Mode" install, so you have GNOME/gdm running. > You should be able to just go into Yast2 and click on 'kde' in the > > software managment area. > > It should solve your dependencies, and install all the packages you > need. > > > > you can only run yast2 as root. > > > wait, sorry... you can't 'click' on anything, if you don't have a gui ;) > > you'll need to execute yast2 at the command line, as root. Either the CLI or GUI version of yast2 will work. Use the "Patterns" filter, and select KDE Desktop environment. Once the packages are installed, you can change the display manager from 'gdm' or 'xdm' to 'kdm' within the yast sysconfig editor module. It is the DISPLAYMANAGER directive under Desktop/Display manager. Change to DM that you want. If you do want to install "unsupported" software, I have the following repos installed: XOrg 7.2 Final: http://software.opensuse.org/xorg72/openSUSE_10.2 Latest Mozilla: http://software.opensuse.org/download/mozilla/openSUSE_10.2 Useful Stuff: http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2 opensuse.org is your friend. It has a bunch of info regarding howtos and repos. Hope that helps! John From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 08:53:52 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed Jul 4 08:54:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing to USB only In-Reply-To: References: <628319.54750.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0707040653h7eb28295n991f051427310403@mail.gmail.com> > > I have a Dell laptop and I dont want a boot manager > > installed on the internal HD (its a work laptop).. so > > if I pull the internal hd and hook up a USB hard > > drive, will I be able to install/boot linux? Never > > tried it this way but wanted to ask before I take the > > plunge.. Check how much RAM you have before choosing a distribution. I have Slax installed on my USB drive. Slax is nice because it comes with an easy installer as well as Windows and Linux scripts you can use to make your USB drive bootable. From riugakusei at aim.com Wed Jul 4 08:57:41 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Wed Jul 4 08:58:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing kde desktop on suse 10.2 In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450707040532l7166b4f7ga97e00dd0edaf582@mail.gmail.com> References: <8C98C0732062DDD-AC0-41C3@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> <468B2CB4.60707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468B2FAF.3080408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4c0ec4450707040532l7166b4f7ga97e00dd0edaf582@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C98C5A6C17726D-14E8-EC1@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> thanks for the help to everybody Medar -----Original Message----- From: John Pappas To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 7:32 am Subject: Re: [SATLUG] installing kde desktop on suse 10.2 On 7/4/07, Geoff wrote:? >? > Geoff wrote:? > > riugakusei@aim.com wrote:? > >> i am running suse 10.2 and i forgot to install The Kde destop when i? > >> did my install, anyone knows to install it via commandline or any? > >> repositry file that must be added to yast in order to install the? > >> entire kde destop.? ? If you want the cutting edge KDE stuff then there is an additional repo, but? if you just want 10.2's default KDE versions, then no added repos are? needed. Will assume that you did not do "Minimum X" or "Text Mode" install,? so you have GNOME/gdm running.? ? > You should be able to just go into Yast2 and click on 'kde' in the? > > software managment area.? > > It should solve your dependencies, and install all the packages you? > need.? > >? > > you can only run yast2 as root.? > >? > wait, sorry... you can't 'click' on anything, if you don't have a gui ;)? >? > you'll need to execute yast2 at the command line, as root.? ? Either the CLI or GUI version of yast2 will work. Use the "Patterns"? filter, and select KDE Desktop environment. Once the packages are? installed, you can change the display manager from 'gdm' or 'xdm' to 'kdm'? within the yast sysconfig editor module. It is the DISPLAYMANAGER directive? under Desktop/Display manager. Change to DM that you want.? ? If you do want to install "unsupported" software, I have the following repos? installed:? XOrg 7.2 Final: http://software.opensuse.org/xorg72/openSUSE_10.2? Latest Mozilla: http://software.opensuse.org/download/mozilla/openSUSE_10.2? Useful Stuff: http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2? ? opensuse.org is your friend. It has a bunch of info regarding howtos and? repos.? ? Hope that helps!? John? -- _______________________________________________? SATLUG mailing list? SATLUG@satlug.org? http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe? Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)? ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 12:04:16 2007 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Jul 4 12:04:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Thanks Everyone Message-ID: <8ee65edd0707041004v401bd213xce3744a0499e6a71@mail.gmail.com> Just want to thank everyone who had ideas about my DVD viewing problems. Turns out that the cable was the culprit. Changed it out, and voila, I can watch DVDs again. Thanks again. Ed From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 4 12:09:57 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 4 12:10:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Thanks Everyone In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0707041004v401bd213xce3744a0499e6a71@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0707041004v401bd213xce3744a0499e6a71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468BD465.2070905@w5omr.shacknet.nu> KB8FZQ/Ed Coates wrote: > Just want to thank everyone who had ideas about my DVD viewing > problems. Turns out that the cable was the culprit. Changed it out, > and voila, I can watch DVDs again. > > Thanks again. > > Ed You're welcome! :-) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 4 18:52:11 2007 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan L. Lesmerises) Date: Wed Jul 4 18:52:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers Message-ID: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> I just put together 2 new systems and installed SUSE 10.2 (the 64-bit version), and they both seem to work fine except for the video. The video card are both supposed to be able to do 3D graphics, yet SUSE reports them as not being 3D-capable. The cards are as follows: - NVIDIA e-GeForce 7100GS (PCI-e), 256MB on-board memory - ASUS EAX1600Pro (PCI-e, based on the ATI Radeon X1600 Pro), 512MB on-board memory There are no Linux-compatible drivers included with either, and I didn't even see a way (during the installation process or afterwards) where I could have Yast or some other configuration utility change the driver being used. So my questions are as follows: - Is there someplace I should look for more compatible drivers for these cards? - How do I get SUSE to use these other drivers (assuming there is something out there)? - Did I screw up and pick a couple of video cards that Linux won't fully utilize their capabilities (3D or otherwise)? Thanks for any suggestions you can provide. Al Lesmerises From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jul 4 18:59:03 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jul 4 18:59:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200707042359.l64Nx3ee028678@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > I just put together 2 new systems and installed SUSE 10.2 (the 64-bit version), and they both seem to work fine except for the video. > > The video card are both supposed to be able to do 3D graphics, yet SUSE reports them as not being 3D-capable. The cards are as follows: > > - NVIDIA e-GeForce 7100GS (PCI-e), 256MB on-board memory You can get a driver from www.nvidia.com, or use the nv driver that comes with X11. The nvidia driver definitely supports OpenGL/3D > > - ASUS EAX1600Pro (PCI-e, based on the ATI Radeon X1600 Pro), 512MB on-board memory http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html > - Did I screw up and pick a couple of video cards that Linux won't fully utilize their capabilities (3D or otherwise)? No, they will work fine. -Borries From jesse at liberto.org Wed Jul 4 20:34:27 2007 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Wed Jul 4 20:35:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> I'm not sure about the ATI card, but for the nvidia along with openSUSE you can use ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/10.2/ as a repository just add it to whatever package manager you use. On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 18:52 -0500, Alan L. Lesmerises wrote: > I just put together 2 new systems and installed SUSE 10.2 (the 64-bit version), and they both seem to work fine except for the video. > > The video card are both supposed to be able to do 3D graphics, yet SUSE reports them as not being 3D-capable. The cards are as follows: > > - NVIDIA e-GeForce 7100GS (PCI-e), 256MB on-board memory > > - ASUS EAX1600Pro (PCI-e, based on the ATI Radeon X1600 Pro), 512MB on-board memory > > There are no Linux-compatible drivers included with either, and I didn't even see a way (during the installation process or afterwards) where I could have Yast or some other configuration utility change the driver being used. > > So my questions are as follows: > > - Is there someplace I should look for more compatible drivers for these cards? > > - How do I get SUSE to use these other drivers (assuming there is something out there)? > > - Did I screw up and pick a couple of video cards that Linux won't fully utilize their capabilities (3D or otherwise)? > > Thanks for any suggestions you can provide. > > > Al Lesmerises > From comptech3 at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 20:50:30 2007 From: comptech3 at gmail.com (Mike Ester) Date: Wed Jul 4 20:50:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing to USB only In-Reply-To: <277020fc0707040653h7eb28295n991f051427310403@mail.gmail.com> References: <628319.54750.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <277020fc0707040653h7eb28295n991f051427310403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fd31f1f0707041850s356be489x418ee53a5e19944b@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Check how much RAM you have before choosing a distribution. I have > Slax installed on my USB drive. Slax is nice because it comes with an > easy installer as well as Windows and Linux scripts you can use to > make your USB drive bootable. > -- > You might try Puppy Linux. It works well from a USB stick. http://puppylinux.org/wikka/DownloadLatest From kc5jmr at grandecom.net Wed Jul 4 17:51:06 2007 From: kc5jmr at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Wed Jul 4 22:50:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A good MP4 Player In-Reply-To: <5544c90f9db5691a59b0994c4f8b76b3@rugmonster.org> References: <1182895750.3613.3.camel@FC7.home> <5544c90f9db5691a59b0994c4f8b76b3@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <1183589466.5653.5.camel@FC7.home> I tried both and all the problems I have had are now gone and interesting enough a file I got from a friend that would not play in Media player or quicktime only audio can be viewed as well. Thanks for the help Robert kc5jmr@grandecom.net p.s. Do you know if AT&T's service was disrupted recently My neighbor had problems with his phone and Internet service (he got tone but nobody could call him and and their Internet was down too. It was about the same time as Timewarner had their little problem as well) they had TV problems as well. On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 11:28 -0500, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:09:10 -0500, Robert J Hewitt > wrote: > > I just installed Fedora 7 and I was wandering other then Totem I like > > the quicktime program and the Itunes one as well is there something like > > this avaliable for Fedora 7 > > I use VLC[1] for videos and Exaile[2] for music. VLC handles most formats > without the need for additional formats and Exaile uses the GStreamer > backend. The main thing Exaile brings is excellent library functionality. I > particularly enjoy the dynamic playlist feature where I pick a song from my > library and it checks last.fm for similar music in my library and > continually builds my playlist that way. Sometimes, the music meanders in > interesting directions, but it definitely allows me to rediscover music in > my collection that I would have otherwise forgotten about. > > [1] http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ > [2] http://www.exaile.org/ > > Cheers, > Daniel > From devin at phpcodeguru.com Wed Jul 4 23:00:57 2007 From: devin at phpcodeguru.com (Devin Atencio) Date: Wed Jul 4 22:58:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio / Texas and Linux Jobs? Message-ID: <8C4A929C-C6F9-43E4-B39D-EEE590257CA7@phpcodeguru.com> Dear San Antonio Users - I am posting to this list as recently I have considered moving to San Antonio in the future whenever my house sells here in Phoenix. I have known a few people here that have moved to either Austin Texas or San Antonio Texas and they claim the Market is really good there for IT jobs. As I have lived here in Phoenix for the past 3 years the IT market is really good here as I am making almost 90k now. Just from browsing a few job postings it appears the pay may be a little bit lower there in San Antonio? Any information in regards to San Antonio (area) and IT/Linux jobs would be greatly appreciated. Is there a list that for Linux jobs that exists for San Antonio texas? What is the best method of looking for jobs? (Monster/ Careerbuilder?) Thanks. Devin Atencio From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Jul 4 23:12:17 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Jul 4 23:12:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] installing to USB only In-Reply-To: <5fd31f1f0707041850s356be489x418ee53a5e19944b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431775.90982.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Mike Ester wrote: > On 7/4/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > > > Check how much RAM you have before choosing a > distribution. I have > > Slax installed on my USB drive. Slax is nice > because it comes with an > > easy installer as well as Windows and Linux > scripts you can use to > > make your USB drive bootable. ok, it no workie.. I pulled the internal HD out just to make sure it wouldnt get hosed.. it installed fine to USB (ubuntu) and boots for a few seconds then nothing happens. No biggie...just wondered if it would work. Guess I'll go buy a 100 gig sata drive. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From lists at hypnogogic.org Thu Jul 5 01:32:31 2007 From: lists at hypnogogic.org (Jeremy Teale) Date: Thu Jul 5 01:32:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio / Texas and Linux Jobs? In-Reply-To: <8C4A929C-C6F9-43E4-B39D-EEE590257CA7@phpcodeguru.com> References: <8C4A929C-C6F9-43E4-B39D-EEE590257CA7@phpcodeguru.com> Message-ID: <468C907F.6020505@hypnogogic.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Devin Atencio wrote: > > Dear San Antonio Users - > > I am posting to this list as recently I have considered moving to San > Antonio > in the future whenever my house sells here in Phoenix. I have known a few > people here that have moved to either Austin Texas or San Antonio Texas > and they claim the Market is really good there for IT jobs. > > As I have lived here in Phoenix for the past 3 years the IT market is > really > good here as I am making almost 90k now. Just from browsing a few job > postings it appears the pay may be a little bit lower there in San Antonio? > > Any information in regards to San Antonio (area) and IT/Linux jobs would > be greatly appreciated. Is there a list that for Linux jobs that exists > for San > Antonio texas? What is the best method of looking for jobs? > (Monster/Careerbuilder?) > > Thanks. > > Devin Atencio Craigslist is worth a look in addition to Monster, HotJobs, etc. I know many recent graduates at my school have been getting Linux-related work at Rackspace, SWRI, and USAA (in some cases). Cost of living in San Antonio is pretty low. Not sure how it compares to Phoenix, but relative to other major cities, it's quite low. - -- Jeremy Teale Jabber: orion@hypnogogic.org IRC: orion2012@irc.freenode.net GPG KEY: http://www.hypnogogic.org/lists.asc GPG FINGERPRINT: 6999 6464 AE94 6609 2518 FDEC 7BD4 96A8 8103 3C8B Join EFF, because multinational conglomerates kill puppies for fun. http://www.eff.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGjJB/e9SWqIEDPIsRAj9eAJ9Itt8n3uxLyrIpqFIcRMighdM18gCdFEal d8haU7FRAlpM6A06gTlb6QE= =ahbV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From j at jvpappas.net Thu Jul 5 08:49:34 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Jul 5 08:49:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/07, Jesse Gonzalez wrote: > > I'm not sure about the ATI card, but for the nvidia along with openSUSE > you can use ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/10.2/ as a repository > just add it to whatever package manager you use. > > On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 18:52 -0500, Alan L. Lesmerises wrote: > > I just put together 2 new systems and installed SUSE 10.2 (the 64-bit > version), and they both seem to work fine except for the video. > > > > The video card are both supposed to be able to do 3D graphics, yet SUSE > reports them as not being 3D-capable. The cards are as follows: > > > > - NVIDIA e-GeForce 7100GS (PCI-e), 256MB on-board memory > > > > - ASUS EAX1600Pro (PCI-e, based on the ATI Radeon X1600 Pro), 512MB > on-board memory > > > > There are no Linux-compatible drivers included with either, and I didn't > even see a way (during the installation process or afterwards) where I could > have Yast or some other configuration utility change the driver being used. ATI's SUSE Repo is not maintained like the NV repo. I recommend following the opensuse.org help pages (www.opensuse.org/ATI and Nvidia respectively) for the install ins and outs. The drivers cannot be distributed with linux due to the licensing situation (proprietary) associated with them. I will say that the NV is WAY easier than the ATI driver installs. I do recommend adding several repos (Xorg72, mozilla, and packman) so that you can have easy access to the "comfort" apps, particularly Firefox/Thunderbird and MPlayer with w32 codecs. You will find some gotchas with 64-bit installs, but nothing that should be a showstopper. > > > So my questions are as follows: > > > > - Is there someplace I should look for more compatible drivers for these > cards? See repos/howtos above. > - How do I get SUSE to use these other drivers (assuming there is > something out there)? > See repos/howtos above. > - Did I screw up and pick a couple of video cards that Linux won't fully > utilize their capabilities (3D or otherwise)? No you are fine. You have just run into one of Linux's glaring shortcommings: Display Management. You will also find that multi-threaded sound and WiFi are a couple others. John From jmeridth at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 08:54:37 2007 From: jmeridth at gmail.com (Jason Meridth) Date: Thu Jul 5 08:55:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio / Texas and Linux Jobs? Message-ID: <40c179300707050654y1e156dc0m441a14ffcddb85fc@mail.gmail.com> Dice.com is also a very good job search engine for this area. The cost of living in Austin a great deal higher than San Antonio. There are tons of Linux jobs up in Austin, but the ones Jeremy listed are the best in San Antonio. -- --- Jason Meridth jmeridth@gmail.com Blog: http://lostechies.com/blogs/jason_meridth Alamo Coders: http://www.alamocoders.net From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Jul 5 09:01:04 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Jul 5 09:02:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> John Pappas wrote: > No you are fine. You have just run into one of Linux's glaring > shortcommings: Display Management. I don't really agree with this. The installation of Windows video drivers for ATI and Nvidia are not easier, unless you consider double-clicking an icon easier than executing one command from a terminal. ATI's drivers have been getting better along with the display management utilities. Nvidia's drivers are good and their management utilities are good as well. > You will also find that multi-threaded > sound and WiFi are a couple others. ALSA and NetworkManager have both addressed these fairly well. Granted they aren't seemless, but they are pretty good. When it comes to wireless, I've had more difficulties with Windows. Do you use the Windows wireless manager or do you use the manufacturer's utility. Sometimes, things don't work correctly unless you use one or the other depending on the device. Maybe I've just figured out how to deal with the bumps in the road to the point that I just don't notice them as much. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 5 09:26:13 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 5 09:27:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > > ALSA and NetworkManager have both addressed these fairly well. Granted > they aren't seemless, but they are pretty good. When it comes to > wireless, I've had more difficulties with Windows. Do you use the > Windows wireless manager or do you use the manufacturer's utility. > Sometimes, things don't work correctly unless you use one or the other > depending on the device. Maybe I've just figured out how to deal with > the bumps in the road to the point that I just don't notice them as much. > Not that anyone asked, but here's -My- opinion. If you want a gui'ed desktop system, with all the latest fancy bells, whistles whizz-bang doo-dads and so forth... Go with Microsoft. The trade off is, Linux has -much- tighter security, in that the layers around the ip socket inherently make Linux one of the most secure OS's available on the open market. M$ is coming around, but it's taking a long time. On the other hand, their desktop display management is second to none. I suppose it's whatever you get used to, but I've got a gui'd linux system running Knoppix (installed)... I guess it's just me, but I've never been a fan of the linux desktop. In general, the fonts are too small to read. By the time you've got 'em big enough to see, you've distorted them so that the text is out of it's container and not all visible. I've got two monitors on my desk top, two keyboards, and two mice, and three machines. (one being the server, which runs SuSE Linux (for now - it'll probably get changed to a debian based product in the future) so this is a side-by-side comparison. the Windows gui has it all over the Linux gui, in -my- opinion. Do I trust M$? Certainly not! It is, after all, behind a -linux- firewall ;-) However, sound works better without having to futz with much, Video cards have better support, there's more general hardware support for Windows than Linux (although that's changing and I welcome it!), it's just that to me, I can get along with a M$ gui -much- better than gnome, kde, flux, or any other linux wm. I think the -hard-core- Linux users beat their chest and drum so loudly about Linux, is not because Linux is superior (in some ways, yes - in others, no) but rather because there's a hatred for M$, what it stands for, how it was started, blah-blah-blah. The Bottom line is, what works for you? For me, my printer, scanner, video and sound card work in XP, natively. The OS found those peripherals when it was loading. Linux still doesn't support my printer, my sound card needs to be manipulated and massaged evertime the linux gui is booted, and the network card had problems, but that's now corrected. Is Linux ready for the desktop? I think my answer is "It depends on how badly the user hates Microsoft". -- -Geoff From aaron at aaronhackney.com Thu Jul 5 09:29:53 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Thu Jul 5 09:30:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: C# ASP.NET Trainer Needed Message-ID: <468D0061.4080108@aaronhackney.com> Guys and Gals, sorry for the OT post about C# but the college I work for is looking for someone and I know many of you may be mono (hey Linux related!) folks or know someone in the trade and I thought I might pass along the opportunity. The college I work for is looking for a C# ASP.Net expert to deliver an introductory contract training. It would be just on Friday afternoons, just a few hours a day. The pay is pretty decent. Contact me off list if you would like the contact info for the coordinator for the opportunity. -Aaron Hackney From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Jul 5 10:08:15 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Jul 5 10:09:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <468D095F.3070807@rugmonster.org> (Don't worry, I'm not going to start a flame war) I use Ubuntu as my desktop with dual monitors running Gnome w/ Beryl. At work, I run the same for one system on one network and Windows XP on another. I prefer to work in Linux. I feel I am more productive in Linux. I used to be of the opposite thinking, but over time, my comfort level with Linux as a desktop environment has grown. It isn't that I hate MS so much that I refuse to use their products. I just feel more "at home" in my highly customized Linux environment. As for printers/scanners, I have had less hassle getting all three of my printers and two scanners setup in Linux than I have Windows. I didn't have to download anything and all three work out of the box. Here's the list: HP LaserJet 1160 HP Photosmart C5180 All-in-one Epson Stylus CX3810 All-in-one CUPS and Sane supported all of them and the C5180 even works across the network for printing and scanning (thank you HP). Oh yeah, the C5180 is relatively new. I bought it from Office Depot about a month or so ago. Since I primarily run Linux, I buy hardware for Linux support. I consider this just part of the buying process. If I were buying for a Windows box, I would still be concerned about the driver support because it isn't MS writing the drivers. The manufacturers write the drivers and Windows is the platform they choose to write for. Thankfully, we have some manufacturers writing drivers for Linux and other free OS's as well as a bunch of really good independent folks. About the fonts, I tend to think the default fonts are too large and always set them down to 8 or 9 pt. Perhaps you can try other fonts because I've not seen modern fonts get messed up by scaling up. And I feel I have more whiz-bang features in my GUI than I have available in Windows, even if I ran Vista. And no, I don't use all of the Beryl/Compiz/whateverthecombinednameisnow features, only the ones that are useful to me. They make /me/ more productive. The important thing, above all, is what works best for you. I'm not going to down anyone for choosing to run Windows, OS X, one of the BSDs, BeOS, OS/2, DOS, what have you. If what you run works for you, you're productive and happy with your computing experience, then by all means, enjoy! I have a soft spot in my heart for Linux and I know it works for me. From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 5 10:51:44 2007 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan L. Lesmerises) Date: Thu Jul 5 10:52:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com> You echoed some of the same observations I've made with my ***limited*** Linux experience (but was holding off saying anything yet). As for being ready for the desktop, I just keep thinking of people like my mother-in-law and my wife who are both very technologically challenged. The idea that someone would have to recompile the kernel and/or manually edit some configuration file to install a driver or something is a little challenging for me -- with over 20 years of computer experience -- I can't envision my wife or mother-in-law being capable of handling anything close to that. As a result, I think the benefits of Linux won't be realized except by the people who are the most computer literate. That also means that the people least capable of dealing with the consequences of crashes, viruses, etc. on their own will be relegated to using MS Windows -- an operating system that's much more vulnerable to those hazards. IMO, if it isn't push-button easy and idiot-proof, it surely won't be ready for widespread desktop use. BTW -- thanks everyone for your inputs. Geoff wrote: > Daniel J. Givens wrote: >> >> >> ALSA and NetworkManager have both addressed these fairly well. Granted >> they aren't seemless, but they are pretty good. When it comes to >> wireless, I've had more difficulties with Windows. Do you use the >> Windows wireless manager or do you use the manufacturer's utility. >> Sometimes, things don't work correctly unless you use one or the other >> depending on the device. Maybe I've just figured out how to deal with >> the bumps in the road to the point that I just don't notice them as much. >> > > Not that anyone asked, but here's -My- opinion. > > If you want a gui'ed desktop system, with all the latest fancy bells, > whistles whizz-bang doo-dads and so forth... Go with Microsoft. > The trade off is, Linux has -much- tighter security, in that the layers > around the ip socket inherently make Linux one of the most secure OS's > available on the open market. M$ is coming around, but it's taking a > long time. > On the other hand, their desktop display management is second to none. > I suppose it's whatever you get used to, but I've got a gui'd linux > system running Knoppix (installed)... I guess it's just me, but I've > never been a fan of the linux desktop. In general, the fonts are too > small to read. By the time you've got 'em big enough to see, you've > distorted them so that the text is out of it's container and not all > visible. > > I've got two monitors on my desk top, two keyboards, and two mice, and > three machines. (one being the server, which runs SuSE Linux (for now - > it'll probably get changed to a debian based product in the future) so > this is a side-by-side comparison. the Windows gui has it all over the > Linux gui, in -my- opinion. > Do I trust M$? Certainly not! It is, after all, behind a -linux- > firewall ;-) > > However, sound works better without having to futz with much, Video > cards have better support, there's more general hardware support for > Windows than Linux (although that's changing and I welcome it!), it's > just that to me, I can get along with a M$ gui -much- better than gnome, > kde, flux, or any other linux wm. > > I think the -hard-core- Linux users beat their chest and drum so loudly > about Linux, is not because Linux is superior (in some ways, yes - in > others, no) but rather because there's a hatred for M$, what it stands > for, how it was started, blah-blah-blah. > The Bottom line is, what works for you? For me, my printer, scanner, > video and sound card work in XP, natively. The OS found those > peripherals when it was loading. Linux still doesn't support my > printer, my sound card needs to be manipulated and massaged evertime the > linux gui is booted, and the network card had problems, but that's now > corrected. > > Is Linux ready for the desktop? > I think my answer is "It depends on how badly the user hates Microsoft". > > -- > -Geoff > From kc5jmr at grandecom.net Thu Jul 5 05:57:08 2007 From: kc5jmr at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Thu Jul 5 10:56:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1183633028.2775.8.camel@FC7.home> I use Microsoft on my dells and I have it on one of my custom machines as well, but for the most part I do like the security of Linux. I use a Linux firewall on a dedicated machine and I have a Fedora 7 system running now that I have a few of the network bugs out of the way Its integration into my windows network is fine. I even have a 2000 server that will more than likely be shut down permanently as soon as the stability of the Fedor box is 100% verified. But this does not mean I will abandon Windows, the wife still like it and it did come with all the Dells I own. I will also concede that the Media players that come with Linux although harder to initially setup are better than what come with windows. I only wish there were a media manager Like the Itunes program for windows were avaliable to Linux. It's making me want to go and Buy a MAC more and more every day. (no this is not a knock on MAC) I just need to save an go and get one. This was my 2 cents worth RObert kc5jmr@grandecom.net On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 09:26 -0500, Geoff wrote: > Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > > > > > ALSA and NetworkManager have both addressed these fairly well. Granted > > they aren't seemless, but they are pretty good. When it comes to > > wireless, I've had more difficulties with Windows. Do you use the > > Windows wireless manager or do you use the manufacturer's utility. > > Sometimes, things don't work correctly unless you use one or the other > > depending on the device. Maybe I've just figured out how to deal with > > the bumps in the road to the point that I just don't notice them as much. > > > > Not that anyone asked, but here's -My- opinion. > > If you want a gui'ed desktop system, with all the latest fancy bells, > whistles whizz-bang doo-dads and so forth... Go with Microsoft. > > The trade off is, Linux has -much- tighter security, in that the layers > around the ip socket inherently make Linux one of the most secure OS's > available on the open market. M$ is coming around, but it's taking a > long time. > > On the other hand, their desktop display management is second to none. > I suppose it's whatever you get used to, but I've got a gui'd linux > system running Knoppix (installed)... I guess it's just me, but I've > never been a fan of the linux desktop. In general, the fonts are too > small to read. By the time you've got 'em big enough to see, you've > distorted them so that the text is out of it's container and not all > visible. > > I've got two monitors on my desk top, two keyboards, and two mice, and > three machines. (one being the server, which runs SuSE Linux (for now - > it'll probably get changed to a debian based product in the future) so > this is a side-by-side comparison. the Windows gui has it all over the > Linux gui, in -my- opinion. > > Do I trust M$? Certainly not! It is, after all, behind a -linux- > firewall ;-) > > However, sound works better without having to futz with much, Video > cards have better support, there's more general hardware support for > Windows than Linux (although that's changing and I welcome it!), it's > just that to me, I can get along with a M$ gui -much- better than gnome, > kde, flux, or any other linux wm. > > I think the -hard-core- Linux users beat their chest and drum so loudly > about Linux, is not because Linux is superior (in some ways, yes - in > others, no) but rather because there's a hatred for M$, what it stands > for, how it was started, blah-blah-blah. > > The Bottom line is, what works for you? For me, my printer, scanner, > video and sound card work in XP, natively. The OS found those > peripherals when it was loading. Linux still doesn't support my > printer, my sound card needs to be manipulated and massaged evertime the > linux gui is booted, and the network card had problems, but that's now > corrected. > > Is Linux ready for the desktop? > > I think my answer is "It depends on how badly the user hates Microsoft". > > -- > -Geoff > From kc5jmr at grandecom.net Thu Jul 5 06:02:32 2007 From: kc5jmr at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Thu Jul 5 11:01:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] HP Jetdirect EX and Linux Message-ID: <1183633352.2775.14.camel@FC7.home> I have a Jetdirect 3EX so that I don't have to leave on a system on my Laserjet 5l and I have all my Windows computers seeing and printing to a standard TCP/IP port and they all print OK but I don't know how to set it up for my Fedora 7 box. what should I do next. RObert kc5jmr@grandecom.net From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Thu Jul 5 11:17:31 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Thu Jul 5 11:18:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <1183633028.2775.8.camel@FC7.home> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1183633028.2775.8.camel@FC7.home> Message-ID: <56848.143.166.226.43.1183652251.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > I use Microsoft on my dells and I have it on one of my custom machines > as well, but for the most part I do like the security of Linux. I use > a Linux firewall on a dedicated machine and I have a Fedora 7 system > running now that I have a few of the network bugs out of the way Its > integration into my windows network is fine. I even have a 2000 server > that will more than likely be shut down permanently as soon as the > stability of the Fedor box is 100% verified. But this does not mean I > will abandon Windows, the wife still like it and it did come with all > the Dells I own. I will also concede that the Media players that come > with Linux although harder to initially setup are better than what come > with windows. I only wish there were a media manager Like the Itunes > program for windows were avaliable to Linux. It's making me want to go > and Buy a MAC more and more every day. (no this is not a knock on MAC) > I just need to save an go and get one. > This was my 2 cents worth > > > RObert > kc5jmr@grandecom.net > Robert, I know there are several media managers similar to iTunes available for Linux. Which ones have you tried so far? Amarok, GTKPod, and Rythmbox are three so far touted by different folks as decent replacements. If you do end up wanting a Mac, shop for a good used one first unless you really need high-end processing. I just finished upgrading a 500MHz G3 iMac to OS X 10.3 and it runs decently for simple stuff. I haven't tried using iMovie on it, so I don't know how well it will render. Altogether, I spent about $200 upgrading the memory, buying the iMac, and buying OS X from ebay. There are definitely better deals to be had - up here in Austin, the Goodwill store had a G4 1+GHz (can't remember the exact speed) for a little over $200. From jmeridth at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 11:56:54 2007 From: jmeridth at gmail.com (Jason Meridth) Date: Thu Jul 5 11:57:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers Message-ID: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> 1. I disagree with Geoff: >If you want a gui'ed desktop system, with all the latest fancy bells, >whistles whizz-bang doo-dads and so forth... Go with Microsoft. For the last 12-15 friends that have complained about XP or Vista, I've migrated them to Ubuntu. And there have only been 1 or 2 issues. Easily resolved by me through the UbuntuForums.org. Don't get me wrong it's not all roses, but it's close. AND IT'S FREE! I use a MS laptop at home for Visual Studio and my C# programming. I'm doing a little Mono development now, so hopefully I can migrate 100%. Microsoft technologies currently pay my bills, so I don't think I qualify as a bigot. -- --- Jason Meridth jmeridth@gmail.com 210-383-9375 cell Blog: http://lostechies.com/blogs/jason_meridth Alamo Coders: http://www.alamocoders.net From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Jul 5 12:24:50 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:25:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <468D2962.9050605@rugmonster.org> Alan L. Lesmerises wrote: > As for being ready for the desktop, I just keep thinking of people like > my mother-in-law and my wife who are both very technologically > challenged. The idea that someone would have to recompile the kernel > and/or manually edit some configuration file to install a driver or > something is a little challenging for me -- with over 20 years of > computer experience -- I can't envision my wife or mother-in-law being > capable of handling anything close to that. My wife used Linux on my system before she got her own. She uses Windows on her new system at this moment for school. She is constantly complaining about it and how much easier things were under Linux. When things go wrong (error message of any sort) under Windows or Linux, she calls me to help and/or explain. Windows is not some great, easy thing without usability problems. More people are accustom to it and know how to work around things when they break. And since when do you have to recompile your kernel for a video driver? You guys are using the wrong distros if you're having these kinds of issues with sound and video. > IMO, if it isn't push-button easy and idiot-proof, it surely won't be > ready for widespread desktop use. And Windows is? This is why I think general purpose computers in the home are mostly impractical for most people. Most people need an internet and email box. They don't need the power and flexibility that the computers we have today provide us. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 5 12:30:51 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:31:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468D2ACB.3040105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jason Meridth wrote: > 1. I disagree with Geoff: >> If you want a gui'ed desktop system, with all the latest fancy bells, >> whistles whizz-bang doo-dads and so forth... Go with Microsoft. > > For the last 12-15 friends that have complained about XP or Vista, I've > migrated them to Ubuntu. And there have only been 1 or 2 issues. Easily > resolved by me through the UbuntuForums.org. > > Don't get me wrong it's not all roses, but it's close. AND IT'S FREE! Ubuntu's a sore subject with me. I have a few systems, that are running all the time here. The 'try it here' Linux machine is a dual-PIII 550MHz board with both processors in it, and 784M of Ram. Ubuntu simply refused to play nice, in either trying to install it, or even boot the Live-CD version, on that machine. My Winders box is a 1.8GHz (2.2AMD) w/1gig of RAM. I put that disk in trying to boot to the Live-CD version and -still- had issues with Ubuntu. Knoppix, on the other hand... Knoppix is what I'm looking at the linux gui with (kde) now. I've played with kde and gnome, both, on SuSE Knoppix, Redhat 7 (way back when) and nothing has really changed... > I use a MS laptop at home for Visual Studio and my C# programming. I'm > doing a little Mono development now, so hopefully I can migrate 100%. > Microsoft technologies currently pay my bills, so I don't think I > qualify as > a bigot. I don't think that term was ever used, or even inferred. I, personally, don't -want- Vista, and I can't, for the life of me, figure out why these same mindless AOL'ers (for lack of a better defining term) would /stand in line/ to buy ANY product of Microsoft, the day it's released. Has History taught them -nothing-? BTW, what is the current 'pool' on how soon M$ issues a 'security patch' for Vista? (in the MS-Dos days, they called 'em 'version updates') From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Jul 5 12:33:09 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:34:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] HP Jetdirect EX and Linux In-Reply-To: <1183633352.2775.14.camel@FC7.home> References: <1183633352.2775.14.camel@FC7.home> Message-ID: <468D2B55.7010904@rugmonster.org> Robert J Hewitt wrote: > I have a Jetdirect 3EX so that I don't have to leave on a system on my > Laserjet 5l and I have all my Windows computers seeing and printing to a > standard TCP/IP port and they all print OK but I don't know how to set > it up for my Fedora 7 box. what should I do next. Here you go: http://www.johnson.homelinux.net/index.php/Printer_Setup The only difference is that instead of selecting "Windows Printer via SAMBA", you'll stick with AppSocket/HP JetDirect and put in the IP of the printer and keep the port at 9100. You'll then continue on and select the appropriate driver. From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 12:52:35 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:53:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D2962.9050605@rugmonster.org> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com> <468D2962.9050605@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <468D2FE3.6010206@gmail.com> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > Alan L. Lesmerises wrote: > >> As for being ready for the desktop, I just keep thinking of people like >> my mother-in-law and my wife who are both very technologically >> challenged. The idea that someone would have to recompile the kernel >> and/or manually edit some configuration file to install a driver or >> something is a little challenging for me -- with over 20 years of >> computer experience -- I can't envision my wife or mother-in-law being >> capable of handling anything close to that. >> Even editing an xorg.conf or sources.list file is beyond the average computer user. As long as even this kind of minor editing of configuration files exists, linux will not gain mainstream attention for the desktop. > My wife used Linux on my system before she got her own. She uses Windows > on her new system at this moment for school. She is constantly > complaining about it and how much easier things were under Linux. When > things go wrong (error message of any sort) under Windows or Linux, she > calls me to help and/or explain. Windows is not some great, easy thing > without usability problems. More people are accustom to it and know how > to work around things when they break. > But to install software on Windows all you need to do is double-click the .exe file. To get rid of the app you use add/remove. You don't have to worry about dependencies, and you never have to compile anything. Linux packaging geeks really need to unite under a universal autopackage type of system that make software installation as easy. > And since when do you have to recompile your kernel for a video driver? > You guys are using the wrong distros if you're having these kinds of > issues with sound and video. > As of Ubuntu 6.10 (Dapper, i.e. the last release before Feisty), you had to recompile the kernel to get the latest nVidia drivers installed. >> IMO, if it isn't push-button easy and idiot-proof, it surely won't be >> ready for widespread desktop use. >> > > And Windows is? It is push-button easy (for many things), but you're right it is not idiot-proof. > This is why I think general purpose computers in the > home are mostly impractical for most people. Most people need an > internet and email box. They don't need the power and flexibility that > the computers we have today provide us. > This assumption is a bit simplistic, IMHO. If the needs of "most" people were really that basic, the email appliances of the late 90s would still be on the market. People want to be able to edit Word files, and view Powerpoint files and WMV files as well. Not to mention video games and basic retouching for their snapshots. ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 12:55:07 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:55:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D2ACB.3040105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> <468D2ACB.3040105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <468D307B.8050805@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > > I, personally, don't -want- Vista, and I can't, for the life of me, > figure out why these same mindless AOL'ers (for lack of a better > defining term) would /stand in line/ to buy ANY product of Microsoft, > the day it's released. Has History taught them The same could be said for all the people that waited in line for iPhones. I have used Apple computers for a long time, and I still spend most of my computer time on one (Graphic Artist/Web Designer by trade), but I would never buy a Rev. A Apple product. ~Nate From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 13:13:19 2007 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Thu Jul 5 13:13:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio / Texas and Linux Jobs? In-Reply-To: <40c179300707050654y1e156dc0m441a14ffcddb85fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <40c179300707050654y1e156dc0m441a14ffcddb85fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0707051113n13365043wceb5c7e1fa245d0d@mail.gmail.com> The other thing you COULD consider is using one of the recruiters around San Antonio. JIm On 7/5/07, Jason Meridth wrote: > > Dice.com is also a very good job search engine for this area. > > The cost of living in Austin a great deal higher than San Antonio. There > are tons of Linux jobs up in Austin, but the ones Jeremy listed are the > best > in San Antonio. > > -- > --- > Jason Meridth > jmeridth@gmail.com > > Blog: http://lostechies.com/blogs/jason_meridth > Alamo Coders: http://www.alamocoders.net > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 5 14:48:26 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 5 14:49:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D307B.8050805@gmail.com> References: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> <468D2ACB.3040105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D307B.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <468D4B0A.4060307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> pixelnate wrote: > Geoff wrote: >> >> I, personally, don't -want- Vista, and I can't, for the life of me, >> figure out why these same mindless AOL'ers (for lack of a better >> defining term) would /stand in line/ to buy ANY product of Microsoft, >> the day it's released. Has History taught them > The same could be said for all the people that waited in line for > iPhones. I have used Apple computers for a long time, and I still > spend most of my computer time on one (Graphic Artist/Web Designer by > trade), but I would never buy a Rev. A Apple product. or any -other- device that is a first-run release. See? I -learned- when M$ went from DOS 3.0 to 3.01, 3.1, 3.11, 3.12, 3.2, 3.21, 3.22, 3.3, 3.31, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1, 6.0, etc... Sure, the hardware was changing, and the bugs were still getting worked out, but bottom line, as far as I can tell, M$ has -never- released a dependable software product, first-run. Not even IBM machines, running IBM Dos were infallible, nor immune to the 'update/upgrade' system. Following along those lines, 'apt-get update', and 'apt-get upgrade' look eerily familiar... From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Jul 5 14:51:24 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Jul 5 14:52:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D2FE3.6010206@gmail.com> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com> <468D2962.9050605@rugmonster.org> <468D2FE3.6010206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <468D4BBC.1090904@rugmonster.org> pixelnate wrote: > Even editing an xorg.conf or sources.list file is beyond the average > computer user. As long as even this kind of minor editing of > configuration files exists, linux will not gain mainstream attention for > the desktop. When was the last time you had to edit an xorg.conf by hand? Also, sources.list can be managed with a GUI in most cases. If desktop linux is the goal, then a distro that is aimed at that goal should be used. > But to install software on Windows all you need to do is double-click > the .exe file. To get rid of the app you use add/remove. You don't have > to worry about dependencies, and you never have to compile anything. > Linux packaging geeks really need to unite under a universal autopackage > type of system that make software installation as easy. Apt took care of dependencies long ago. Most distros have an Add/Remove Applications GUI app of some sort to act as a frontend to their package manager (yum, apt, yast2, etc). Most of these are even easier to use than your typical installer for Windows. Once again, your desktop distros will have all of the applications a typical user would want either installed already or available in their package repository mostly eliminating the need to ever compile an app from source. > As of Ubuntu 6.10 (Dapper, i.e. the last release before Feisty), you had > to recompile the kernel to get the latest nVidia drivers installed. I never did. The only thing I recompiled my kernel for in the past three releases was to add POSIX ACL support to NFS. > It is push-button easy (for many things), but you're right it is not > idiot-proof. Take a look at what is available in the current generation of desktop distros today. I think you will find that there are as many push-button easy features as there are in Windows. They both lack in certain areas. People are used to Windows because they use it at work, at home, at school, etc, so they are used to dealing with programs not work. If they download something that doesn't work, throw it to the side and find something else. We just tend to be more stubborn in the Linux world in that we can be fairly certain we can make something work, so we fight and fight and fight to get the misbehaving apps to run. The quality of the software available for Linux and for Windows is about on par. For every incomplete Linux app, there are two or three for Windows. The main difference is that you are going to end up paying for the Windows apps. > This assumption is a bit simplistic, IMHO. If the needs of "most" people > were really that basic, the email appliances of the late 90s would still > be on the market. People want to be able to edit Word files, and view > Powerpoint files and WMV files as well. Not to mention video games and > basic retouching for their snapshots. No, it's called marketing. Most people rarely use their computer at home for more than email/internet/music/videos/simple document editing. All of these things could easily be handled with a set-top box, especially now that HD displays are becoming more popular. Already, consoles are taking over the gaming industry. There are websites that allow you to retouch photos. The general purpose computer is overkill for most people. I guess the positive aspect of the mass marketing of general purpose computers is that it makes the prices cheaper for people like us that do use them to more of their potential. Linux is not completely ready for the general public desktop market, but I argue that Windows isn't either. I say this because I support regular users who are not geeks and just want things to work for them. I know how frustrated they get with Windows. They offer to pay me on the side to fix their home computers. There is so much frustration with what is being given to them. I doubt it would be much better if they were all running Linux, but the community is changing that. Unfortunately, the best solution is usually not the most used solution, so whether Linux will ever gain widespread desktop adoption remains to be seen. As long as I can run it for my desktop, I'll be happy. From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Jul 5 15:00:22 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:01:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D4B0A.4060307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> <468D2ACB.3040105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D307B.8050805@gmail.com> <468D4B0A.4060307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <468D4DD6.8020902@rugmonster.org> Geoff wrote: > pixelnate wrote: >> Geoff wrote: >>> >>> I, personally, don't -want- Vista, and I can't, for the life of me, >>> figure out why these same mindless AOL'ers (for lack of a better >>> defining term) would /stand in line/ to buy ANY product of Microsoft, >>> the day it's released. Has History taught them >> The same could be said for all the people that waited in line for >> iPhones. I have used Apple computers for a long time, and I still >> spend most of my computer time on one (Graphic Artist/Web Designer by >> trade), but I would never buy a Rev. A Apple product. > > or any -other- device that is a first-run release. See? I -learned- > when M$ went from DOS 3.0 to 3.01, 3.1, 3.11, 3.12, 3.2, 3.21, 3.22, > 3.3, 3.31, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1, 6.0, etc... Sure, the hardware was > changing, and the bugs were still getting worked out, but bottom line, > as far as I can tell, M$ has -never- released a dependable software > product, first-run. Not even IBM machines, running IBM Dos were > infallible, nor immune to the 'update/upgrade' system. Following along > those lines, 'apt-get update', and 'apt-get upgrade' look eerily > familiar... I know I couldn't write a feature complete, 100% correctly functioning, secure application of any substance and never have to update it beyond version 1.0. It's the burden of human nature. We mess things up, but at least we can recognize those flaws and correct them accordingly. What would be really bad is if there were no second run and no updates. You have to start somewhere. You don't have to be an early adopter. Rather than look down on the early adopters, you should be thankful they are there to be early adopters. They are the ones that deal with the problems of the first run and get the creator to fix those flaws. You benefit from their hassle. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 5 15:04:16 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:05:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D4BBC.1090904@rugmonster.org> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com> <468D2962.9050605@rugmonster.org> <468D2FE3.6010206@gmail.com> <468D4BBC.1090904@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <468D4EC0.8020802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > pixelnate wrote: > >> Even editing an xorg.conf or sources.list file is beyond the average >> computer user. As long as even this kind of minor editing of >> configuration files exists, linux will not gain mainstream attention for >> the desktop. >> > > When was the last time you had to edit an xorg.conf by hand? Also, > sources.list can be managed with a GUI in most cases. If desktop linux > is the goal, then a distro that is aimed at that goal should be used. > last week, when I was trying valiantly to get gnome, or kde to work in ubuntu. Linux isn't for the technologically challenged. Not yet, anyway. > >> But to install software on Windows all you need to do is double-click >> the .exe file. To get rid of the app you use add/remove. You don't have >> to worry about dependencies, and you never have to compile anything. >> Linux packaging geeks really need to unite under a universal autopackage >> type of system that make software installation as easy. >> As of Ubuntu 6.10 (Dapper, i.e. the last release before Feisty), you had >> to recompile the kernel to get the latest nVidia drivers installed. >> > > I never did. The only thing I recompiled my kernel for in the past three > releases was to add POSIX ACL support to NFS. > But, isn't that the point? The simple fact that you had to, is -light years- ahead of -some- people, and therefore enough to turn someone who would otherwise be glad to be away from a M$ product, yet are technically intimidated by editing config files, or running update programs that aren't done automatically for them, or (heaven forbid!) compile their kernel! Oh, the SHOCK AND HORROR! THESE are the people that Linux developers need to cater to, -if- they want to achieve -any- of the market share that M$ so enjoys these days. Don't get me wrong - it's getting better all the time, but since 1991, it seems to be a long time in coming. (as an aside, I just saw bits and pieces of 'Swordfish' the other night, and fired up bttorrent-curses, got the file, and watched in on my XP box (*.avi) and noted that they used Linux Torvolds name as the #1 hacker in the country... who eventually got shot - good movie!) From jmeridth at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 15:06:19 2007 From: jmeridth at gmail.com (Jason Meridth) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:06:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio / Texas and Linux Jobs? Message-ID: <40c179300707051306k1d450432v8fb6bea29fd4b090@mail.gmail.com> I've had good experiences with Tek System (AJ Van Ausdal) and Sapphire Technologies (Anuttara Deol). (2 local contracting firms) -- --- Jason Meridth jmeridth@gmail.com 210-383-9375 cell Blog: http://lostechies.com/blogs/jason_meridth Alamo Coders: http://www.alamocoders.net From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 5 15:11:16 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:12:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D4DD6.8020902@rugmonster.org> References: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> <468D2ACB.3040105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D307B.8050805@gmail.com> <468D4B0A.4060307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D4DD6.8020902@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <468D5064.4080901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > I know I couldn't write a feature complete, 100% correctly functioning, > secure application of any substance and never have to update it beyond > version 1.0. > I'd have a whole lot more confidence in their capability, if the first 'patch' release wasn't within a -WEEK- of the product roll-out. > You have to start somewhere. You don't have to be an early adopter. > Rather than look down on the early adopters, you should be thankful they > are there to be early adopters. They are the ones that deal with the > problems of the first run and get the creator to fix those flaws. You > benefit from their hassle. > I was running jnos (network operating system) for packet radio in 1989/90/91. So was Walt/K5YFW. You can now, in fact, search for 44.76.2.231 and 44.76.2.232, and see where they resolve. JNOS was a NOS that ran under DOS, kinda like vmware in the late 80's. Later, FNOS was pretty much the same system, yet written, compiled and tailored for Fidonet BBS's (like Electronic Avenue 1:387/510 - then) that I ran for a decade, starting with a 1200baud modem, and a year later, moving up to the -blazing- speed of 2400baud, then 2400 v.42bis, etc... As far as I'm concerned, I was going through those hassles then, and still going through hassles today. I like a challenge, but there comes a time when you just want something to -work- without a lot of 'hassle'. -- -Geoff From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 15:29:25 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:29:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D5064.4080901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> <468D2ACB.3040105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D307B.8050805@gmail.com> <468D4B0A.4060307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D4DD6.8020902@rugmonster.org> <468D5064.4080901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <468D54A5.8010500@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: >> You have to start somewhere. You don't have to be an early adopter. >> Rather than look down on the early adopters, you should be thankful they >> are there to be early adopters. They are the ones that deal with the >> problems of the first run and get the creator to fix those flaws. You >> benefit from their hassle. >> > As far as I'm concerned, I was going through those hassles then, and > still going through hassles today. I like a challenge, but there > comes a time when you just want something to -work- without a lot of > 'hassle'. Those are the moments when I go back to my Mac. I like linux a lot. I really like the Ubuntu Studio setup, but I don't like fighting with a stubborn xorg.conf file. And to answer a previous post, every time I install linux I have to edit that file. I have a Dell 2007wfp that has a native resolution of 1680x1050 @ 60hz. The installers never seem to pick that up. Even if I can get the resolution set properly, it is always a pain to get the refresh to show 60hz in the gui control panel. That said, I *really* like using Blender on linux. I just wish that there were better video editors (NLEs) and Adobe would port Photoshop and Flash on linux. If that happened I would leave OSX behind forever. I love freedom, but linux isn't ready for me to use full-time. ~Nate From donguitar at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 17:35:09 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Thu Jul 5 17:35:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com><468D2962.9050605@rugmonster.org> <468D2FE3.6010206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c7bf54$bf49a060$1208a8c0@dec842502> If Ubuntu doesn't play nice with your system, try PCLinuxOS. If that doesn't work for you then continue down the list of top 10 distros until you find one that does (I've heard some awfully nice things about Mint). Page hit rankings for the last 30 day per Distrowatch 1 PCLinuxOS 2 Ubuntu 3 openSUSE 4 Fedora 5 Mint 6 Sabayon 7 Slackware 8 Debian 9 MEPIS 10 Damn Small I like Debian Etch because it works nicely on my 450 MHz Celeron, a bit more nicely on the 600 MHz P3 we're teaching our neighbor to use (she's in her mid 60s, has never owned a computer and has taken to it like a duck to water), it works very nicely on my 800 MHz Duron and flat-out-kicks-butt on my wife's 1.7 GHz Celeron. My wife finds Etch to be user friendly and intuitive but she's a PSP (8.1) wizard and we can't get PSP to run under wine. Right now Etch is at least as user friendly as my first Windows 98 box and substantially more powerful. Ok, I had to install it myself and I owned a Windows machine for years before I had to learn how to reinstall Windows (because I couldn't afford to pay somebody else to do it for me, which I'd always done in the past) but that just means I'm a more knowledgeable computer user now than I was then and this is a good thing. Right now I have no sound on my Windows 2000 Pro machine because I allowed MS Update to install a new sound driver which killed the sound entirely. Being a smarter computer user doesn't help this time, I can't fix it and google hasn't been any help at all. When my Etch machine wouldn't play YouTube videos I did some research with google, found the information I wanted and after I did a lot of reading, and a little fumbling, I had multimedia capabilities online, just fine. Come around here talking about Windows being user friendly, or Linux not being ready for the Desktop you better wear your clown makeup and bring a rubber chicken so we'll know you're joking. Otherwise it'll be ugly and don't say I didn't warn you. :) Don Crowder From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 5 19:13:34 2007 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Jul 5 19:13:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <001101c7bf54$bf49a060$1208a8c0@dec842502> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com> <468D2962.9050605@rugmonster.org> <468D2FE3.6010206@gmail.com> <001101c7bf54$bf49a060$1208a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <1183680814.5819.2323.camel@james-desktop> On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 17:35 -0500, Donguitar wrote: ... > > Come around here talking about Windows being user friendly, or Linux not > being ready for the Desktop you better wear your clown makeup and bring a > rubber chicken so we'll know you're joking. Otherwise it'll be ugly and > don't say I didn't warn you. > > :) > > Don Crowder > Don, you are my hero!!!! From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Jul 5 19:56:05 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Jul 5 20:03:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <468D307B.8050805@gmail.com> References: <40c179300707050956m63d08766ua37f1e65ff2bee7c@mail.gmail.com> <468D2ACB.3040105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D307B.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/5/07, pixelnate wrote: > The same could be said for all the people that waited in line for iPhones. > I have used Apple computers for a long time, and I still spend most of my > computer time on one (Graphic Artist/Web Designer by trade), but I would > never buy a Rev. A Apple product. The iPhone does have some issues, but you can't call it a 1.0 product. There's eight years of iPod experience to build on, and many years of OS X experience to also build on. Very little of this device is new in and of itself. What is revolutionary is the way that Apple was able to put it all together in such a small package and with a pretty much instantly intuitive user interface, unlike anything else that had ever been seen before commercially. I think a lot of the problems that people are having now will be able to be resolved relatively easily and quickly -- Apple didn't want to ship anything that could be considered less than fully baked, so they preferred to rip out features that weren't quite stable enough than to go ahead and ship them and generate the bad press. They'd rather have bad press about currently nonexistent features that can be fixed with a simple software update than bad press about poorly implemented features. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From kc5jmr at grandecom.net Thu Jul 5 16:15:50 2007 From: kc5jmr at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Thu Jul 5 21:15:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <56848.143.166.226.43.1183652251.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1183633028.2775.8.camel@FC7.home> <56848.143.166.226.43.1183652251.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1183670150.5344.6.camel@FC7.home> I haven't tried any except Mplayer and VLC but that was just to play a movie and music, No media managers yet. As for the Mac I am looking to buy used and I have been looking at the Goodwill Store here. they had one for $229 and it was a 700Mhz with 10.3 Mac OSX But I need to take care of some bills and get the credit card paid down first (Wife say So), but that won't take long. it's just that I have used PC since my first Tandy 1000 back in the late 80's till now and the last Apple I used was a IIE as a kid in my dads home office. I will look into the media managers you listed and see if I like what I see, but I really like the way the latest version of Itunes displays the cover shots of videos and album covers of some of my MP3's Robert kc5jmr@grandecom.net On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 11:17 -0500, Thomas King wrote: > > I use Microsoft on my dells and I have it on one of my custom machines > > as well, but for the most part I do like the security of Linux. I use > > a Linux firewall on a dedicated machine and I have a Fedora 7 system > > running now that I have a few of the network bugs out of the way Its > > integration into my windows network is fine. I even have a 2000 server > > that will more than likely be shut down permanently as soon as the > > stability of the Fedor box is 100% verified. But this does not mean I > > will abandon Windows, the wife still like it and it did come with all > > the Dells I own. I will also concede that the Media players that come > > with Linux although harder to initially setup are better than what come > > with windows. I only wish there were a media manager Like the Itunes > > program for windows were avaliable to Linux. It's making me want to go > > and Buy a MAC more and more every day. (no this is not a knock on MAC) > > I just need to save an go and get one. > > This was my 2 cents worth > > > > > > RObert > > kc5jmr@grandecom.net > > > > Robert, > > I know there are several media managers similar to iTunes available for Linux. > Which ones have you tried so far? Amarok, GTKPod, and Rythmbox are three so far > touted by different folks as decent replacements. > > If you do end up wanting a Mac, shop for a good used one first unless you really > need high-end processing. I just finished upgrading a 500MHz G3 iMac to OS X > 10.3 and it runs decently for simple stuff. I haven't tried using iMovie on it, > so I don't know how well it will render. Altogether, I spent about $200 > upgrading the memory, buying the iMac, and buying OS X from ebay. There are > definitely better deals to be had - up here in Austin, the Goodwill store had a > G4 1+GHz (can't remember the exact speed) for a little over $200. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 5 21:19:00 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 5 21:19:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Drivers In-Reply-To: <001101c7bf54$bf49a060$1208a8c0@dec842502> References: <468C32AB.8020701@satx.rr.com> <1183599267.7467.8.camel@sabayon> <4c0ec4450707050649m20c59e17neb6922e44838148@mail.gmail.com> <468CF9A0.80202@rugmonster.org> <468CFF85.3050201@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <468D1390.90704@satx.rr.com><468D2962.9050605@rugmonster.org> <468D2FE3.6010206@gmail.com> <001101c7bf54$bf49a060$1208a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <468DA694.8060503@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Donguitar wrote: > If Ubuntu doesn't play nice with your system, try PCLinuxOS. If that > doesn't work for you then continue down the list of top 10 distros until you > find one that does (I've heard some awfully nice things about Mint). > My server runs SuSE 10.0. I have downloaded and burnt iso's for mint, knoppix, whax, and Ubuntu. Tried RH -way- back when, in the 7.0 days... Mint left a -bad taste- in my mouth. Knoppix just works. And it works on any and everything I've got. Whax is Whoppix on Slacware. Live CD worked great. Ubuntu just wouldn't play nice. I don't know if was a hardware issue or a display problem. The system -di