From koflanagan at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 1 00:19:59 2007 From: koflanagan at satx.rr.com (Kevin Flanagan) Date: Thu May 31 23:19:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Spammer Arrested In-Reply-To: <465F8954.8020206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <2525.192.62.88.55.1180620441.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <465EDA84.501@suddenlink.net> <2915.192.62.88.55.1180622090.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <465EE0BD.6040500@suddenlink.net> <465F8954.8020206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <000001c7a40c$800c6fd0$80254f70$@rr.com> Yeah I can't wait for that day to happen.. it's funny how they allow tobacco and alcohol which kills more people than anything else.. I have yet to hear of anyone that has died from an overdose of marijuana. :P -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:50 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Spammer Arrested Dennis Myhand wrote: > And then the people who work for the Spam King will give them new > tasks to generate the revenue he need to make bail and pay his > lawyers. Maybe we should make spam legal and then tax it? > worked for Alcohol and tobacco. The gov't is still afraid to do that with marijuana, though ;-) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.5/826 - Release Date: 5/31/2007 4:51 PM From hc at lookcee.com Fri Jun 1 00:51:56 2007 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Fri Jun 1 00:52:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope Message-ID: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> Will this hurt do you think? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6710327.stm I think kind of scary for Ubuntu herb From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jun 1 01:17:40 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jun 1 01:18:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> Message-ID: On 6/1/07, herb cee wrote: > Will this hurt do you think? > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6710327.stm Hurt Dell? Yes. Help Dell? Maybe, but only in the longer run. > I think kind of scary for Ubuntu Nah, not so much. Ubuntu's biggest problem is that there's a lot of stuff they're shipping default out-of-the-box that violates a bunch of copyrights and patents here in the US, but because they're an overseas organization it's hard for US companies to sue them. And because of the way they're organized, it's hard for anyone to get to the real money behind the project (Mark Shuttleworth). It's easy to understand why they do this -- it's real nice when your media players are installed by default, and when they play all your various different types of media by default. But as they start picking up more people here in the US, and especially more commercial customers, I can just hear Novell, Microsoft, and others licking their chops -- they could get some real money out of Dell if they named them as a co-defendant in a copyright/patent validation suit, and plenty of hardware manufacturers would join that on the side of the prosecution -- just to hurt Dell. HP and Gateway couldn't be happier if Dell was forced into bankruptcy because of a huge lawsuit, so they'd provide *lots* of assistance to help make that happen. Then the real backfire is going to happen. Mom & Pop shops are going to get hit with RIAA-like tactics for using Ubuntu, even though it was pre-installed for them by Dell. And a lot of people are going to get burned for trying Linux for the first time, which drives the customers right back into the hands of Microsoft -- and Novell, if you want a sanctioned version of Linux. If Dell had announced that they'd ship Red Hat or SuSE, I think they would have been okay. Even CentOS could probably have gotten through on Red Hat's coattails. Maybe Linspire or Xandros, if they wanted a more dumbed-down interface. But because of the copyright & patent issues, none of these vendors can offer what it was that Dell wanted, which was a really spectacular user experience out-of-the-box plus all the advanced Debian-enabled bells & whistles that they could get with Ubuntu. So, now we're screwed. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From eli at then7.com Fri Jun 1 03:08:41 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Fri Jun 1 03:09:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <465FD409.90600@then7.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > On 6/1/07, herb cee wrote: > >> Will this hurt do you think? >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6710327.stm > > Hurt Dell? Yes. Help Dell? Maybe, but only in the longer run. > >> I think kind of scary for Ubuntu > > Nah, not so much. Ubuntu's biggest problem is that there's a lot of > stuff they're shipping default out-of-the-box that violates a bunch of > copyrights and patents here in the US, but because they're an overseas > organization it's hard for US companies to sue them. And because of > the way they're organized, it's hard for anyone to get to the real > money behind the project (Mark Shuttleworth). > Strange, my experience is the opposite. Ubuntu is worthless for proprietary formats...just like most distros. Until Automatix is run, that is....a third party script that adds many third party repositories, and then gives a gui to install non-gpl, non-free software, utils & codecs. Perhaps you are commenting on vary early versions of ubuntu. (which I have no experience with, I've been playing with 6.10 & 7.04) From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Fri Jun 1 07:10:42 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Fri Jun 1 07:13:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Spammer Arrested In-Reply-To: <000001c7a40c$800c6fd0$80254f70$@rr.com> References: <2525.192.62.88.55.1180620441.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <465EDA84.501@suddenlink.net> <2915.192.62.88.55.1180622090.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <465EE0BD.6040500@suddenlink.net> <465F8954.8020206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <000001c7a40c$800c6fd0$80254f70$@rr.com> Message-ID: <46600CC2.9090705@suddenlink.net> Kevin Flanagan wrote: > I have yet to hear of anyone that has died from an overdose of marijuana. :P > > God knows I did enough research into what the lethal dose was when I was young and stupid. -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Fri Jun 1 09:39:08 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Fri Jun 1 09:39:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Spammer Arrested In-Reply-To: <000001c7a40c$800c6fd0$80254f70$@rr.com> References: <2525.192.62.88.55.1180620441.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <465EDA84.501@suddenlink.net> <2915.192.62.88.55.1180622090.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <465EE0BD.6040500@suddenlink.net> <465F8954.8020206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <000001c7a40c$800c6fd0$80254f70$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4944.192.62.88.55.1180708748.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Yeah I can't wait for that day to happen.. it's funny how they allow tobacco > and alcohol which kills more people than anything else.. > I have yet to hear of anyone that has died from an overdose of marijuana. :P I've heard of people getting into car wrecks when high from MJ. There was a train conductor that wrecked a freight train some years ago while high. From twistedpickles at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 09:44:38 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Fri Jun 1 09:45:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: automated CD Printer Message-ID: Anyone on the list have a automated cd printer for rent? I need to make 500 - 1000 cdrs. I would rather print to to surface than affix a sticker. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jun 1 09:53:20 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jun 1 09:53:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Spammer Arrested In-Reply-To: <4944.192.62.88.55.1180708748.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <2525.192.62.88.55.1180620441.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <465EDA84.501@suddenlink.net> <2915.192.62.88.55.1180622090.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <465EE0BD.6040500@suddenlink.net> <465F8954.8020206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <000001c7a40c$800c6fd0$80254f70$@rr.com> <4944.192.62.88.55.1180708748.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <466032E0.4050708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Thomas King wrote: >> Yeah I can't wait for that day to happen.. it's funny how they allow tobacco >> and alcohol which kills more people than anything else.. >> I have yet to hear of anyone that has died from an overdose of marijuana. :P >> > > I've heard of people getting into car wrecks when high from MJ. There was a > train conductor that wrecked a freight train some years ago while high. > 100 to 1, it wasn't related to speeding if anything, those accidents were related to not being able to react in time. From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Fri Jun 1 09:54:39 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Fri Jun 1 09:55:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1070.192.62.88.55.1180709679.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Will this hurt do you think? > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6710327.stm > > I think kind of scary for Ubuntu > herb I know Ubuntu is a new product for them, but I don't think Ubuntu is at risk right now. What will be telling for Ubuntu is if sales will match all the initial hype. I do hope it does - I'm thinking about getting their Ubuntu dual-core laptop. Dell has a habit of a huge ebb and flow when it comes to personnel numbers. They used to handle it by leaning heavily on temp services, but this appears to include management as well. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Jun 1 13:19:10 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Jun 1 13:19:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 cannot access sd card (Kubuntu) In-Reply-To: <20070601145505.D1CBF43E9F6@satlug.org> References: <20070601145505.D1CBF43E9F6@satlug.org> Message-ID: <200706011419.10553.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Friday 01 June 2007 10:55:05 am satlug-request@satlug.org wrote: > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > satlug@satlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > satlug-request@satlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > satlug-owner@satlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SATLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Spammer Arrested (Geoff) > 2. Re: Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 54 cannot access sd card > (kubuntu) (Bruce Dubbs) > 3. Re: Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 54 cannot access sd card > (kubuntu) (Geoff) > 4. RE: Spammer Arrested (Kevin Flanagan) > 5. Dell Hope (herb cee) > 6. Re: Dell Hope (Brad Knowles) > 7. Re: Dell Hope (Eli) > 8. Re: Spammer Arrested (Dennis Myhand) > 9. RE: Spammer Arrested (Thomas King) > 10. OT: automated CD Printer (twistedpickles) > 11. Re: Spammer Arrested (Geoff) > 12. Re: Dell Hope (Thomas King) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:49:56 -0500 > From: Geoff > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Spammer Arrested > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <465F8954.8020206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dennis Myhand wrote: > > And then the people who work for the Spam King will give them new > > tasks to generate the revenue he need to make bail and pay his > > lawyers. Maybe we should make spam legal and then tax it? > > worked for Alcohol and tobacco. > > The gov't is still afraid to do that with marijuana, though > > ;-) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:55:09 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 54 cannot > access sd card (kubuntu) > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <465F8A8D.2040007@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > Thanks everybody for the advice and help. I really appreciate it. > > If you want to continue to get help, trim your posts. A 28K post with > hundreds of lines of non-relevant text is one way to *not* get help. > > -- Bruce > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:59:30 -0500 > From: Geoff > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 54 cannot > access sd card (kubuntu) > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <465F8B92.8050208@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> Thanks everybody for the advice and help. I really appreciate it. > > > > If you want to continue to get help, trim your posts. A 28K post with > > hundreds of lines of non-relevant text is one way to *not* get help. > > what he said, with a big "PLEASE" on it! > > -- Sorry about that guys. In my defense it was the end of a very long day and I well....had my head up my ass. I will try not to let that happen again. as to my problem does anyone have a answer to my question? In the interest of kepping this post shot and to the point please refer to yesterdays post on the topic. Todd From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jun 1 13:29:24 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jun 1 13:29:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 cannot access sd card (Kubuntu) In-Reply-To: <200706011419.10553.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> References: <20070601145505.D1CBF43E9F6@satlug.org> <200706011419.10553.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <46606584.50605@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Sorry about that guys. In my defense it was the end of a very long day and I > well....had my head up my ass. I will try not to let that happen again. > > as to my problem does anyone have a answer to my question? > In the interest of kepping this post shot and to the point please refer to > yesterdays post on the topic. > do yourself a favor, and get -off- of the 'digest' mode. you just did it again ;-) left all that stuff in there, and then posted the above, without trimming the rest of the message. No one's angry with ya... we'll get ya down the right road, yet! :-) -- -Geoff From twistedpickles at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 13:43:07 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Fri Jun 1 13:43:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) Message-ID: I run this regexp to remove windows executable files from a linux directory server: find dir -name *.exe -ok rm '{}' \; I would like to learn how to scan for the file types. For example if a user changes the extension from exe to doc is there a way to figure out if it is an executable and then delete. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From masterr at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 14:13:17 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Fri Jun 1 14:13:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14842c410706011213n314d1dcdk76c2b924f20d0cec@mail.gmail.com> 'file'? > file somefile.exe On 6/1/07, twistedpickles wrote: > > I run this regexp to remove windows executable files from a linux > directory server: > > find dir -name *.exe -ok rm '{}' \; > > I would like to learn how to scan for the file types. For example if a > user changes the extension from exe to doc is there a way to figure > out if it is an executable and then delete. > > > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From gabriel.doss at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 14:37:26 2007 From: gabriel.doss at gmail.com (Gabriel Doss) Date: Fri Jun 1 14:37:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual Monitors with FC6 In-Reply-To: <403abb680705302026k253bc3fcie6c6ea81b9d7aac8@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705261151q15178cb1o6c94604dba5ca1ba@mail.gmail.com> <9f9a93640705261241w5f2949b3lb59ce2060a582ed0@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705271448i37b0025ue74163ea93a1b19@mail.gmail.com> <465A1322.1030207@futuretechsolutions.com> <9f9a93640705291250v5876dcfi6cead03ccaade62f@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705302026k253bc3fcie6c6ea81b9d7aac8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f9a93640706011237w5d37b32bjc4548c19873fc3c4@mail.gmail.com> Your xorg looks alright to me. It is how I've got mine setup, except of course mine is a desktop and uses nvidia. I guess one question I would have is your Sony a 64-bit processor? And if so do you have a 64-bit install of FC6 running? On 5/30/07, Matt Kinsel wrote: > > Thanks for the help, guys. Here's what my (ideal) dual-head xorg.conflooks > like now: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp > > I took your advice and found the propriety driver, fglrx. Here's the one > I > installed: > > http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.35.5-x86.x86_64.run > > However, I can't get X to work with that driver, whether I try dual-head > or > single-head (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_90jjqtn5). I get the > following error when trying to start X: > (EE) No devices found > > As reassurance that the driver is there, it shows up in the GUI display > settings, and I have the config tools (aticonfig) associated with the > driver. Could y'all help me out with this? > > Thanks! > > On 5/29/07, Gabriel Doss wrote: > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > I wasn't on my computer much this weekend, so sorry for the late > response. > > > > As for the XF86 error, that sounds like the driver just cannot handle > what > > you want. I'd try what Charles suggested and use the ATI proprietary > > driver. > > ATIs are notoriously hard to configure with Linux, though some do have > > great > > success with it. I've never used ATI with Linux so I cannot offer any > help > > there. > > > > My video card has two VGA outs and I specify the same card on videocard0 > > and > > videocard1, so I know that can work. That being said, the card I have is > > specifically designed for multi-monitor support. You have stated you get > > cloned monitors, so we know the card can give a signal to two monitors > at > > the same time. Whether it can deliver something different is the > question. > > > > You will want to disable cloning and enable xinerama once you get to > that > > point. Xinerama spreads the desktop across two monitors allowing > different > > > > content on each. > > > > The only error you get now is regarding the videocards not being allowed > > to > > be assigned to the same device. If that is not allowed, then you will > get > > an > > error saying no devices detected and no screens found as there is no > valid > > > > device at that point. > > > > I also found a link to someone's xorg.conf file using FC3 and a Sony > Vaio > > PCG-GRX616MP. I'm not sure what model you have, but you can see in their > > xorg file they used the "radeon" video card driver. There are definitely > > some differences in their system and yours, but it should help you out. > > The > > also were cloning, where you want xinerama, so leave the stuff about > > cloning > > out of the second monitor and make sure at the top it stays xinerama > "on" > > and clone "off". > > > http://prouchon.free.fr/Linux/Fedora%20Core%203%20on%20Sony%20Vaio%20PCG-GRX616MP.html#DUAL_HEAD > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > > > > Matt Kinsel wrote: > > > > Thanks, Gabriel. I've fixed up my xorg.conf file like you said; you > > can > > > > see > > > > it here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp > > > > > > > > But I'm still not able to start my X server with that config. I get > > > these > > > > errors in Xorg.0.log: > > > > (EE) ATI: XF86Config Device sections "Videocard0" and "Videocard1" > may > > > > > not > > > > be assigned to the same adapter > > > > (EE)No devices detected > > > > > > > > And after those two errors there's this message: > > > > Fatal server error: > > > > no screens found > > > > > > > > As you can see on my xorg.conf, "Videocard0" and "Videocard1" are > > > referring > > > > to the same card, which is sending outputs to both monitors. Should > I > > > just > > > > eliminate "Videocard1" and have both "Screen" sections link to > > > > "Videocard0"? > > > > > > > > And I forgot to mention some important info in the last email. The > > > > dual-screen "kind of" works - the video card sends outputs to both > > > > monitors. However, they both display the same thing. When I move > the > > > > mouse, it moves on both monitors. Windows, typing, and other > actions > > > > display exactly the same on both monitors. As you know, this is not > > > what I > > > > want. I would like to be doing two different things on two > different > > > > monitors, with the mouse moving between the two. By the way, since > I > > > can't > > > > even get X to start with the dual-head xorg.conf ( > > > > http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp), this half-way > > > dual-screen > > > > deal is the result of my normal, single-head xorg.conf: > > > > http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_90jjqtn5 > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > > > > > On 5/26/07, Gabriel Doss wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I don't use ATI or a laptop, but I do have dual monitors using FC6 > > > using > > > >> an > > > >> nVidia card. Screen0 needs to be linked to something. Try > specifying > > > the > > > >> laptop monitor as Monitor0. It would default to that with only one > > > >> monitor > > > >> so you don't need it in the single-head config. > > > >> > > > >> To sum up, add a: "Monitor" "Monitor0" line to Screen0. Also add a > > > >> monitor > > > >> device identified as "Monitor0." Use the specs of your laptop > monitor > > > > > for > > > >> that. I'd also edit xorg.conf by hand as I've never had > > > >> system-config-display work when attempting a dual monitor setup. > > There > > > >> are > > > >> just too many variables that it does not account for. > > > >> > > > >> The other thing you may want to check is if the ati driver can > handle > > > >> dual > > > >> monitors. You may need the proprietary fglrx driver. I have no idea > > > >> whether > > > >> it can or cannot, just may be something you want to check. > > > >> > > > >> And good luck. Trial and error is how I got mine to work. I've had > to > > > >> redo > > > >> my xorg.conf file many times as I make hardware and other changes, > > and > > > it > > > >> is > > > >> usually a struggle. > > > >> > > > >> On 5/26/07, Matt Kinsel < mkinsel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi all, > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm running Fedora Core 6 on a Sony Vaio laptop, and I've got an > > > extra > > > >> CRT > > > >> > monitor that I want to use as a second monitor for my system. My > > > >> laptop > > > >> > has > > > >> > a VGA port which I will connect the monitor to. I used the GUI > > tool > > > >> > "system-config-display" to attempt to configure a dual-head > > > >> environment. > > > >> > After I saved the settings I logged out and tried to restart my X > > > >> server. > > > >> > However, I received a message saying "Failed to start X server", > > and > > > >> then > > > >> > I > > > >> > was given the option to view the Xorg.0.log. The first thing I > > found > > > >> was > > > >> > this warning: > > > >> > (WW) No monitor specified for screen "Screen0" > > > >> > Using a default monitor configuration > > > >> > > > > >> > I also found two errors: > > > >> > (EE) ATI: XF86Config Device sections "Videocard0" and > "Videocard1" > > > may > > > >> not > > > >> > be assigned to the same adapter > > > >> > (EE)No devices detected > > > >> > > > > >> > And after those two errors there was this message: > > > >> > Fatal server error: > > > >> > no screens found > > > >> > > > > >> > That was the end of the Xorg.0.log, and then I was able to try to > > > >> > reconfigure the X server settings. After typing in my root > > password, > > > >> the > > > >> > shell output this: > > > >> > Couldn't start X server on card 0 > > > >> > Couldn't start X server with old config, trying with a fresh > > > >> configuration > > > >> > > > > >> > After that I was given the "system-config-display" GUI tool to > > > >> reconfigure > > > >> > the settings. I put them back how they were (no dual-head), and > > then > > > >> the > > > >> > X > > > >> > server started fine. > > > >> > > > > >> > Well, that's how it went down. Sorry for the play-by-play > details, > > > >> but I > > > >> > feel that the more info given the better. Anyways, here are my > > > >> > /etc/X11/xorg.conf files for the two setups: > > > >> > > > > >> > Single head: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_90jjqtn5 > > > >> > Dual head: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp > > > >> > > > > >> > Could y'all help me out with this? > > > >> > TIA > > > >> > -- > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > SATLUG mailing list > > > >> > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > >> > Powered by Rackspace ( www.rackspace.com) > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> SATLUG mailing list > > > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > > > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > >> Powered by Rackspace ( www.rackspace.com) > > > >> > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace ( www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 14:53:17 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Fri Jun 1 14:56:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) Message-ID: <466079e4.140164a9.22f4.1031@mx.google.com> I would like to be able to find executables via some type of meta data file scan if a user changes an ext from .exe to .doc. Is this possible? ::twistedpickles :: : message sent from mobile handset -----Original Message----- From: "Jonathan Hull" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: 06/01/07 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) 'file'? > file somefile.exe On 6/1/07, twistedpickles wrote: > > I run this regexp to remove windows executable files from a linux > directory server: > > find dir -name *.exe -ok rm '{}' \; > > I would like to learn how to scan for the file types. For example if a > user changes the extension from exe to doc is there a way to figure > out if it is an executable and then delete. > > > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From gabriel.cornyn at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 14:59:37 2007 From: gabriel.cornyn at gmail.com (Gabriel Cornyn) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:00:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: <466079e4.140164a9.22f4.1031@mx.google.com> References: <466079e4.140164a9.22f4.1031@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Every Windows executable contains the string "This program cannot be run in DOS mode". I am very rusty with Unix shell commands but it's Summer and I have nothing to do so I am digging through some old class material to figure out how to build the command you are looking for. Give me a few and I'll reply with my solution. From luis at luisgarza.com Fri Jun 1 15:01:51 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:02:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: <14842c410706011213n314d1dcdk76c2b924f20d0cec@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410706011213n314d1dcdk76c2b924f20d0cec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46607B2F.4010401@luisgarza.com> Jonathan Hull wrote: > 'file'? > >> file somefile.exe > > > On 6/1/07, twistedpickles wrote: >> >> I run this regexp to remove windows executable files from a linux >> directory server: >> >> find dir -name *.exe -ok rm '{}' \; >> >> I would like to learn how to scan for the file types. For example if a >> user changes the extension from exe to doc is there a way to figure >> out if it is an executable and then delete. I believe that file looks at the i-node information and not the actual file its self. You may need to write a perl script that looks at the file contents either with 'file' or the magic file /usr/share/file/magic I'm pretty sure,though I don't know of one, that CPAN has a PM that looks at the files contents; like take the first 10 characters and compare it to the magic file. Its been a while since I have used perl, but it is pretty powerful. -- Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com l.garza@yahoo.com From luis at luisgarza.com Fri Jun 1 15:06:26 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:07:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: <46607B2F.4010401@luisgarza.com> References: <14842c410706011213n314d1dcdk76c2b924f20d0cec@mail.gmail.com> <46607B2F.4010401@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <46607C42.3060300@luisgarza.com> > I believe that file looks at the i-node information and not the actual > file its self. > > You may need to write a perl script that looks at the file contents > either with 'file' or the magic file /usr/share/file/magic > > I'm pretty sure,though I don't know of one, that CPAN has a PM that > looks at the files contents; like take the first 10 characters and > compare it to the magic file. > > Its been a while since I have used perl, but it is pretty powerful. > Check out: http://search.cpan.org/~pardus/File-MimeInfo-0.13/MimeInfo.pm -- Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com l.garza@yahoo.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Jun 1 15:12:54 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:13:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <20070601200005.6827E43EA25@satlug.org> References: <20070601200005.6827E43EA25@satlug.org> Message-ID: <200706011612.54038.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> did anyone hear that poping sound? It was my head exiting my butt. I turned off the digest mode thanks for the advice Geoff. now about my SD card problem. Here is the (abreviated) cut and paste from my post last night Vern, I followed your directions and the card is recognized by my system when using the ?'tail -f /var/log/messages' command. ?here is the output with card unpluged: May 31 22:29:11 toddwbucy-laptop kernel: [12523.600000] tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0 card pluged in: May 31 22:30:05 toddwbucy-laptop kernel: [12577.600000] tifm_core: SmartMedia/xD card detected in socket 0:0 This seems to be a good sign so I went on with your edit suggestion in fstab here is a current coppy of my fstab: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # ? ? ? ? ? ? proc ? ? ? ? ? ?/proc ? ? ? ? ? proc ? ?defaults ? ? ? ?0 ? ? ? 0 # /dev/sda1 UUID=fde3abc3-9f37-41da-add7-3e87f2bae66b / ? ? ? ? ? ? ? reiserfs notail ? ? ? ? ? 0 ? ? ? 1 # /dev/sda3 UUID=9a29aada-0fd6-422a-90d0-6300e9928c4c /home ? ? ? ? ? reiserfs defaults ? ? ? ? 0 ? ? ? 2 # /dev/sda2 UUID=b7689728-2b11-44b9-9678-8d8b188851e8 none ? ? ? ? ? ?swap ? ?sw ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 0 ? ? ? 0 /dev/scd0 ? ? ? /media/cdrom0 ? udf,iso9660 user,noauto ? ? 0 ? ? ? 0 /dev/sdd1 ? ? ?/media/card_reader ? ? ?auto users,noauto,rw 0 ?? ? ?0 I then created the directory that you suggested and tried to mount the device like you suggested. ?Unfortuately it came up with an error. error output: ~$ mount /media/card_reader [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab [mntent]: line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad mount: can't find /media/card_reader in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab I feel like I almost have it fixed but my knowledge of fstab is quite limited. ? I did notice though that the other devices in my fstab all have UUIDs. ?could this be causing the problem? ?if so how do I find out what the UUID is for my sd card reader? Thanks again guys for your paitence and help Todd From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jun 1 15:37:09 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:51:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: References: <466079e4.140164a9.22f4.1031@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 6/1/07, Gabriel Cornyn wrote: > Every Windows executable contains the string "This program cannot be > run in DOS mode". In that case, you could run "strings" on the file and look for that particular string. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jun 1 15:42:05 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:51:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: <46607B2F.4010401@luisgarza.com> References: <14842c410706011213n314d1dcdk76c2b924f20d0cec@mail.gmail.com> <46607B2F.4010401@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: On 6/1/07, Luis Garza wrote: > I believe that file looks at the i-node information and not the actual > file its self. Traditionally, "file" does look at the directory and inode information, to see if the file is empty, etc.... However, it also looks at the "magic" number for the actual file itself, and then some versions will proceed to look at the actual contents of the file so that it can try to determine which language & character set is used (e.g., ASCII, ISO-8859-x, UTF-8/16 Unicode, EBCDIC, etc...). > I'm pretty sure,though I don't know of one, that CPAN has a PM that looks > at the files contents; like take the first 10 characters and compare it to > the magic file. Traditionally, the "file" command will do this, as well as some other things. Now, whether or not the version of "file" on your system will work this way, that's a completely different matter. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From eli at then7.com Fri Jun 1 15:58:27 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:57:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: References: <14842c410706011213n314d1dcdk76c2b924f20d0cec@mail.gmail.com> <46607B2F.4010401@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <46608873.7080209@then7.com> I duplicated an exe file, and renamed the extension in windows. $ file vlc* vlc-0.8.6a-win32.doc: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 GUI executable not relocatable vlc-0.8.6a-win32.exe: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 GUI executable not relocatable From mkinsel at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 17:24:28 2007 From: mkinsel at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Fri Jun 1 17:24:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual Monitors with FC6 In-Reply-To: <9f9a93640706011237w5d37b32bjc4548c19873fc3c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705261151q15178cb1o6c94604dba5ca1ba@mail.gmail.com> <9f9a93640705261241w5f2949b3lb59ce2060a582ed0@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705271448i37b0025ue74163ea93a1b19@mail.gmail.com> <465A1322.1030207@futuretechsolutions.com> <9f9a93640705291250v5876dcfi6cead03ccaade62f@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705302026k253bc3fcie6c6ea81b9d7aac8@mail.gmail.com> <9f9a93640706011237w5d37b32bjc4548c19873fc3c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <403abb680706011524o3c16cc06j78ac7830cf7f1bbc@mail.gmail.com> No, it's not a 64-bit processor, so no, I'm not running 64-bit FC. On 6/1/07, Gabriel Doss wrote: > > Your xorg looks alright to me. It is how I've got mine setup, except of > course mine is a desktop and uses nvidia. > > I guess one question I would have is your Sony a 64-bit processor? And if > so > do you have a 64-bit install of FC6 running? > > On 5/30/07, Matt Kinsel wrote: > > > > Thanks for the help, guys. Here's what my (ideal) dual-head > xorg.conflooks > > like now: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp > > > > I took your advice and found the propriety driver, fglrx. Here's the > one > > I > > installed: > > > > > http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.35.5-x86.x86_64.run > > > > However, I can't get X to work with that driver, whether I try dual-head > > or > > single-head (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_90jjqtn5). I get > the > > following error when trying to start X: > > (EE) No devices found > > > > As reassurance that the driver is there, it shows up in the GUI display > > settings, and I have the config tools (aticonfig) associated with the > > driver. Could y'all help me out with this? > > > > Thanks! > > > > On 5/29/07, Gabriel Doss wrote: > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > I wasn't on my computer much this weekend, so sorry for the late > > response. > > > > > > As for the XF86 error, that sounds like the driver just cannot handle > > what > > > you want. I'd try what Charles suggested and use the ATI proprietary > > > driver. > > > ATIs are notoriously hard to configure with Linux, though some do have > > > great > > > success with it. I've never used ATI with Linux so I cannot offer any > > help > > > there. > > > > > > My video card has two VGA outs and I specify the same card on > videocard0 > > > and > > > videocard1, so I know that can work. That being said, the card I have > is > > > specifically designed for multi-monitor support. You have stated you > get > > > cloned monitors, so we know the card can give a signal to two monitors > > at > > > the same time. Whether it can deliver something different is the > > question. > > > > > > You will want to disable cloning and enable xinerama once you get to > > that > > > point. Xinerama spreads the desktop across two monitors allowing > > different > > > > > > content on each. > > > > > > The only error you get now is regarding the videocards not being > allowed > > > to > > > be assigned to the same device. If that is not allowed, then you will > > get > > > an > > > error saying no devices detected and no screens found as there is no > > valid > > > > > > device at that point. > > > > > > I also found a link to someone's xorg.conf file using FC3 and a Sony > > Vaio > > > PCG-GRX616MP. I'm not sure what model you have, but you can see in > their > > > xorg file they used the "radeon" video card driver. There are > definitely > > > some differences in their system and yours, but it should help you > out. > > > The > > > also were cloning, where you want xinerama, so leave the stuff about > > > cloning > > > out of the second monitor and make sure at the top it stays xinerama > > "on" > > > and clone "off". > > > > > > http://prouchon.free.fr/Linux/Fedora%20Core%203%20on%20Sony%20Vaio%20PCG-GRX616MP.html#DUAL_HEAD > > > > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt Kinsel wrote: > > > > > Thanks, Gabriel. I've fixed up my xorg.conf file like you said; > you > > > can > > > > > see > > > > > it here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp > > > > > > > > > > But I'm still not able to start my X server with that config. I > get > > > > these > > > > > errors in Xorg.0.log: > > > > > (EE) ATI: XF86Config Device sections "Videocard0" and "Videocard1" > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > be assigned to the same adapter > > > > > (EE)No devices detected > > > > > > > > > > And after those two errors there's this message: > > > > > Fatal server error: > > > > > no screens found > > > > > > > > > > As you can see on my xorg.conf, "Videocard0" and "Videocard1" are > > > > referring > > > > > to the same card, which is sending outputs to both > monitors. Should > > I > > > > just > > > > > eliminate "Videocard1" and have both "Screen" sections link to > > > > > "Videocard0"? > > > > > > > > > > And I forgot to mention some important info in the last > email. The > > > > > dual-screen "kind of" works - the video card sends outputs to both > > > > > monitors. However, they both display the same thing. When I move > > the > > > > > mouse, it moves on both monitors. Windows, typing, and other > > actions > > > > > display exactly the same on both monitors. As you know, this is > not > > > > what I > > > > > want. I would like to be doing two different things on two > > different > > > > > monitors, with the mouse moving between the two. By the way, > since > > I > > > > can't > > > > > even get X to start with the dual-head xorg.conf ( > > > > > http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp), this half-way > > > > dual-screen > > > > > deal is the result of my normal, single-head xorg.conf: > > > > > http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_90jjqtn5 > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > > > > > > > On 5/26/07, Gabriel Doss wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> I don't use ATI or a laptop, but I do have dual monitors using > FC6 > > > > using > > > > >> an > > > > >> nVidia card. Screen0 needs to be linked to something. Try > > specifying > > > > the > > > > >> laptop monitor as Monitor0. It would default to that with only > one > > > > >> monitor > > > > >> so you don't need it in the single-head config. > > > > >> > > > > >> To sum up, add a: "Monitor" "Monitor0" line to Screen0. Also add > a > > > > >> monitor > > > > >> device identified as "Monitor0." Use the specs of your laptop > > monitor > > > > > > > for > > > > >> that. I'd also edit xorg.conf by hand as I've never had > > > > >> system-config-display work when attempting a dual monitor setup. > > > There > > > > >> are > > > > >> just too many variables that it does not account for. > > > > >> > > > > >> The other thing you may want to check is if the ati driver can > > handle > > > > >> dual > > > > >> monitors. You may need the proprietary fglrx driver. I have no > idea > > > > >> whether > > > > >> it can or cannot, just may be something you want to check. > > > > >> > > > > >> And good luck. Trial and error is how I got mine to work. I've > had > > to > > > > >> redo > > > > >> my xorg.conf file many times as I make hardware and other > changes, > > > and > > > > it > > > > >> is > > > > >> usually a struggle. > > > > >> > > > > >> On 5/26/07, Matt Kinsel < mkinsel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Hi all, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I'm running Fedora Core 6 on a Sony Vaio laptop, and I've got > an > > > > extra > > > > >> CRT > > > > >> > monitor that I want to use as a second monitor for my > system. My > > > > >> laptop > > > > >> > has > > > > >> > a VGA port which I will connect the monitor to. I used the GUI > > > tool > > > > >> > "system-config-display" to attempt to configure a dual-head > > > > >> environment. > > > > >> > After I saved the settings I logged out and tried to restart my > X > > > > >> server. > > > > >> > However, I received a message saying "Failed to start X > server", > > > and > > > > >> then > > > > >> > I > > > > >> > was given the option to view the Xorg.0.log. The first thing I > > > found > > > > >> was > > > > >> > this warning: > > > > >> > (WW) No monitor specified for screen "Screen0" > > > > >> > Using a default monitor configuration > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I also found two errors: > > > > >> > (EE) ATI: XF86Config Device sections "Videocard0" and > > "Videocard1" > > > > may > > > > >> not > > > > >> > be assigned to the same adapter > > > > >> > (EE)No devices detected > > > > >> > > > > > >> > And after those two errors there was this message: > > > > >> > Fatal server error: > > > > >> > no screens found > > > > >> > > > > > >> > That was the end of the Xorg.0.log, and then I was able to try > to > > > > >> > reconfigure the X server settings. After typing in my root > > > password, > > > > >> the > > > > >> > shell output this: > > > > >> > Couldn't start X server on card 0 > > > > >> > Couldn't start X server with old config, trying with a fresh > > > > >> configuration > > > > >> > > > > > >> > After that I was given the "system-config-display" GUI tool to > > > > >> reconfigure > > > > >> > the settings. I put them back how they were (no dual-head), > and > > > then > > > > >> the > > > > >> > X > > > > >> > server started fine. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Well, that's how it went down. Sorry for the play-by-play > > details, > > > > >> but I > > > > >> > feel that the more info given the better. Anyways, here are my > > > > >> > /etc/X11/xorg.conf files for the two setups: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Single head: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_90jjqtn5 > > > > >> > Dual head: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Could y'all help me out with this? > > > > >> > TIA > > > > >> > -- > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > SATLUG mailing list > > > > >> > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > >> > Powered by Rackspace ( www.rackspace.com) > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> SATLUG mailing list > > > > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > >> Powered by Rackspace ( www.rackspace.com) > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace ( www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From gabriel.cornyn at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 20:39:23 2007 From: gabriel.cornyn at gmail.com (Gabriel Cornyn) Date: Fri Jun 1 20:39:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm certain there is a cleaner way to do this, but it appears to work for me. Sorry it took so long. file `find . -type f` | awk '{if ($2=="DOS") print $1}' | tr -d : | xargs rm Just replace . with your directory of preference, and if you aren't copying and pasting, make sure you know what are the backticks and what are the quotes. You er.. may want to test it works before you deploy it. :-) From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Jun 2 00:25:08 2007 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Jun 2 00:25:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual Monitors with FC6 In-Reply-To: <403abb680706011524o3c16cc06j78ac7830cf7f1bbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705261151q15178cb1o6c94604dba5ca1ba@mail.gmail.com> <9f9a93640705261241w5f2949b3lb59ce2060a582ed0@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705271448i37b0025ue74163ea93a1b19@mail.gmail.com> <465A1322.1030207@futuretechsolutions.com> <9f9a93640705291250v5876dcfi6cead03ccaade62f@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705302026k253bc3fcie6c6ea81b9d7aac8@mail.gmail.com> <9f9a93640706011237w5d37b32bjc4548c19873fc3c4@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680706011524o3c16cc06j78ac7830cf7f1bbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4660FF34.105@camerontech.com> Sorry about my late entry into this thread. I am writing this on an FC6 box with two PCI ATI video cards and two new 19" LCD flatscreens. I am not using the ATI drive, just the native Linux one. No 3D but I am a productivity type, so I don't really give a rat's ass about that. The way I got it to work was to run: X -configure as root. It created perfect config file in /root/xorg.conf.new. All I did was manually set the modes to 1280x1024 instead of the 1440x900 it wanted to do and overwrite /etc/X11/corg.conf with it. It looks phenomenal. I've attached my xorg.conf in case you want to see it. Thomas -------------- next part -------------- Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" Option "Xinerama" "true" Option "Clone" "off" EndSection Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/share/X11/rgb" ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules" FontPath "unix/:7100" FontPath "built-ins" EndSection Section "Module" Load "xtrap" Load "extmod" Load "record" Load "glx" Load "vnc" # Load "dri" Load "dbe" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 410 260 # mm Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "VSC" ModelName "VX1935wm" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC: HorizSync 30.0 - 82.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 85.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 410 260 # mm Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "VSC" ModelName "VX1935wm" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC: HorizSync 30.0 - 82.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 85.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "NoAccel" # [] #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "Dac6Bit" # [] #Option "Dac8Bit" # [] #Option "BusType" # [] #Option "CPPIOMode" # [] #Option "CPusecTimeout" # #Option "AGPMode" # #Option "AGPFastWrite" # [] #Option "AGPSize" # #Option "GARTSize" # #Option "RingSize" # #Option "BufferSize" # #Option "EnableDepthMoves" # [] #Option "EnablePageFlip" # [] #Option "NoBackBuffer" # [] #Option "DMAForXv" # [] #Option "FBTexPercent" # #Option "DepthBits" # #Option "AccelDFS" # [] #Option "PanelOff" # [] #Option "DDCMode" # [] #Option "MonitorLayout" # [] #Option "IgnoreEDID" # [] #Option "UseFBDev" # [] #Option "MergedFB" # [] #Option "CRT2HSync" # [] #Option "CRT2VRefresh" # [] #Option "CRT2Position" # [] #Option "MetaModes" # [] #Option "MergedDPI" # [] #Option "MergedXinerama" # [] #Option "MergedXineramaCRT2IsScreen0" # [] #Option "MergedNonRectangular" # [] #Option "MergedMouseRestriction" # [] #Option "DisplayPriority" # [] #Option "PanelSize" # [] #Option "ForceMinDotClock" # #Option "ColorTiling" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "RageTheatreCrystal" # #Option "RageTheatreTunerPort" # #Option "RageTheatreCompositePort" # #Option "RageTheatreSVideoPort" # #Option "TunerType" # #Option "RageTheatreMicrocPath" # #Option "RageTheatreMicrocType" # #Option "RenderAccel" # [] #Option "SubPixelOrder" # [] #Option "ShowCache" # [] #Option "DynamicClocks" # [] #Option "BIOSHotkeys" # [] #Option "VGAAccess" # [] #Option "ReverseDDC" # [] #Option "LVDSProbePLL" # [] #Option "AccelMethod" # #Option "ConstantDPI" # [] Identifier "Card0" Driver "ati" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" BusID "PCI:6:0:0" EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "NoAccel" # [] #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "Dac6Bit" # [] #Option "Dac8Bit" # [] #Option "BusType" # [] #Option "CPPIOMode" # [] #Option "CPusecTimeout" # #Option "AGPMode" # #Option "AGPFastWrite" # [] #Option "AGPSize" # #Option "GARTSize" # #Option "RingSize" # #Option "BufferSize" # #Option "EnableDepthMoves" # [] #Option "EnablePageFlip" # [] #Option "NoBackBuffer" # [] #Option "DMAForXv" # [] #Option "FBTexPercent" # #Option "DepthBits" # #Option "AccelDFS" # [] #Option "PanelOff" # [] #Option "DDCMode" # [] #Option "MonitorLayout" # [] #Option "IgnoreEDID" # [] #Option "UseFBDev" # [] #Option "MergedFB" # [] #Option "CRT2HSync" # [] #Option "CRT2VRefresh" # [] #Option "CRT2Position" # [] #Option "MetaModes" # [] #Option "MergedDPI" # [] #Option "MergedXinerama" # [] #Option "MergedXineramaCRT2IsScreen0" # [] #Option "MergedNonRectangular" # [] #Option "MergedMouseRestriction" # [] #Option "DisplayPriority" # [] #Option "PanelSize" # [] #Option "ForceMinDotClock" # #Option "ColorTiling" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "RageTheatreCrystal" # #Option "RageTheatreTunerPort" # #Option "RageTheatreCompositePort" # #Option "RageTheatreSVideoPort" # #Option "TunerType" # #Option "RageTheatreMicrocPath" # #Option "RageTheatreMicrocType" # #Option "RenderAccel" # [] #Option "SubPixelOrder" # [] #Option "ShowCache" # [] #Option "DynamicClocks" # [] #Option "BIOSHotkeys" # [] #Option "VGAAccess" # [] #Option "ReverseDDC" # [] #Option "LVDSProbePLL" # [] #Option "AccelMethod" # #Option "ConstantDPI" # [] Identifier "Card1" Driver "ati" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" BusID "PCI:6:1:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen1" Device "Card1" Monitor "Monitor1" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection From afcasta at texas.net Sat Jun 2 05:46:33 2007 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat Jun 2 05:45:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: <46607B2F.4010401@luisgarza.com> References: <14842c410706011213n314d1dcdk76c2b924f20d0cec@mail.gmail.com> <46607B2F.4010401@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <1180781193.21305.1.camel@phrodo.texas.net> On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 15:01 -0500, Luis Garza wrote: > You may need to write a perl script that looks at the file contents > either with 'file' or the magic file /usr/share/file/magic oooooohhhh!!! Magic Mode!!! Poof! Al "yes I was a 3b2/600G admin" Castanoli From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jun 2 10:14:40 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jun 2 10:14:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <465FD409.90600@then7.com> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> Message-ID: <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> Eli wrote: > Strange, my experience is the opposite. Ubuntu is worthless for > proprietary formats...just like most distros. > > Until Automatix is run, that is... With the latest release of Ubuntu, Feisty Fawn, anytime you try to open a file that requires a codec you don't have, you are asked if you want the system to retrieve it for you. Of course, you are warned that if you get a codec that is covered by a patent in your country, you are breaking the law, etc etc. Ubuntu, though, is covered in that aspect. Also, any copyrighted material used in Ubuntu is used by the permission of the copyright holder. Copyright doesn't necessarily mean that the material can't be shared or modified. Almost all F/OSS is copyrighted, but licensed for open distribution and modification. It is copyrights that ensure the GPL and other licenses keep code written by the community out of proprietary software when the original authors don't want it ending up there. I really don't see where Microsoft or Novell or anyone else would have any more ground to stand on to go after Ubuntu than they would going after Red Hat. ~Daniel From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jun 2 10:34:10 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jun 2 10:34:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual Monitors with FC6 In-Reply-To: <9f9a93640706011237w5d37b32bjc4548c19873fc3c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705261151q15178cb1o6c94604dba5ca1ba@mail.gmail.com> <9f9a93640705261241w5f2949b3lb59ce2060a582ed0@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705271448i37b0025ue74163ea93a1b19@mail.gmail.com> <465A1322.1030207@futuretechsolutions.com> <9f9a93640705291250v5876dcfi6cead03ccaade62f@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705302026k253bc3fcie6c6ea81b9d7aac8@mail.gmail.com> <9f9a93640706011237w5d37b32bjc4548c19873fc3c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46618DF2.4010300@rugmonster.org> Gabriel Doss wrote: > Your xorg looks alright to me. It is how I've got mine setup, except of > course mine is a desktop and uses nvidia. The dual monitor config for nvidia is far different than that for ati/fglrx. Ati has a lot of tools for setting up dual monitors. At work, I have a 9600 and when I installed the latest driver, I got the Catalyst Control Center that let me enable my second monitor on the fly, change its position, as well as what type of output (clone, big-desktop, etc). You can also set it up during the initial configuration with aticonfig --initial=dual-head I suggest you download the driver from ATI's site, then read the installation directions. Look at the options for aticonfig, and once you get back into X, check out the Catalyst Control Panel, which should be added to your application menu automagically by the installer. Good luck. Honestly, ATI's drivers are starting to get easier to install than nvidia's. Just make sure you have the kernel headers package installed so the installer can create the appropriate kernel module. Daniel From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Jun 2 11:19:56 2007 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Jun 2 11:20:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > Eli wrote: >> Strange, my experience is the opposite. Ubuntu is worthless for >> proprietary formats...just like most distros. >> >> Until Automatix is run, that is... > > With the latest release of Ubuntu, Feisty Fawn, anytime you try to open > a file that requires a codec you don't have, you are asked if you want > the system to retrieve it for you. Of course, you are warned that if you > get a codec that is covered by a patent in your country, you are > breaking the law, etc etc. Ubuntu, though, is covered in that aspect. > > Also, any copyrighted material used in Ubuntu is used by the permission > of the copyright holder. Copyright doesn't necessarily mean that the > material can't be shared or modified. Almost all F/OSS is copyrighted, > but licensed for open distribution and modification. It is copyrights > that ensure the GPL and other licenses keep code written by the > community out of proprietary software when the original authors don't > want it ending up there. > > > I really don't see where Microsoft or Novell or anyone else would have > any more ground to stand on to go after Ubuntu than they would going > after Red Hat. If you come to me and say "hey, I want to do something steal a car" and I give you the tools and drive you to a car I know is easy to steal, have I don't anything illegal? I didn't actually steal the car, so am I OK legally? In many jurisdictions (Texas being one of them) I am not. I am just as guilty of that car theft as the primary actor. I don't know if the patent holders for those codecs would actually win a contributory violation suit against a distro which does this. But it would certainly lead to a loooooooong drawn out court case which would give MSFT and other anti-F/OSS folks a lot to FUD about. Thomas From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jun 2 14:24:50 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jun 2 14:25:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> Message-ID: <4661C402.3060609@rugmonster.org> Thomas Cameron wrote: > I don't know if the patent holders for those codecs would actually win a > contributory violation suit against a distro which does this. But it > would certainly lead to a loooooooong drawn out court case which would > give MSFT and other anti-F/OSS folks a lot to FUD about. OH NOES! It's the end of F/OSS! So you mean like SCO? There isn't any new FUD in this, because Microsoft and others have already been spreading it for years. What is more telling, is that Microsoft and all of the non-free software makers are just as vulnerable to being sued for patent infringement because it certainly seems they have had more cases filed against them. There is more FUD on this to go around and that is why insurance companies are now offering protection against this now for companies that are the users of software. In all reality, anyone that did sue the backers of a distribution, such as Canonical, would more than likely get a settlement, processes would change, and everyone would move along. In the end, the codecs will still be available in some form. The genie is out of the bottle and I think this is true of almost any patented technology that has been implemented in F/OSS. What court system would they sue under? If the servers hosting the patented stuff is outside the jurisdiction of the patent, then how can a patent holder really sue? This kind of goes into the "how can linking be illegal without infringing on someone's free speech" debate. From eli at then7.com Sat Jun 2 14:29:24 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sat Jun 2 14:30:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <4661C514.2060100@then7.com> > but licensed for open distribution and modification. It is copyrights > that ensure the GPL and other licenses keep code written by the > community out of proprietary software when the original authors don't > want it ending up there. > > > I really don't see where Microsoft or Novell or anyone else would have > any more ground to stand on to go after Ubuntu than they would going > after Red Hat. > > ~Daniel > that's right, I forgot about that nifty little feature. also, by default, the "multiverse" repository is not enabled. i think that's the repository for all the non-free, non-gpl stuff. e From eli at then7.com Sat Jun 2 14:45:01 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sat Jun 2 14:46:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> Message-ID: <4661C8BD.5030606@then7.com> Thomas Cameron wrote: > Daniel J. Givens wrote: >> Eli wrote: >>> Strange, my experience is the opposite. Ubuntu is worthless for >>> proprietary formats...just like most distros. >>> >>> Until Automatix is run, that is... >> >> With the latest release of Ubuntu, Feisty Fawn, anytime you try to open >> a file that requires a codec you don't have, you are asked if you want >> the system to retrieve it for you. Of course, you are warned that if you >> get a codec that is covered by a patent in your country, you are >> breaking the law, etc etc. Ubuntu, though, is covered in that aspect. >> >> Also, any copyrighted material used in Ubuntu is used by the permission >> of the copyright holder. Copyright doesn't necessarily mean that the >> material can't be shared or modified. Almost all F/OSS is copyrighted, >> but licensed for open distribution and modification. It is copyrights >> that ensure the GPL and other licenses keep code written by the >> community out of proprietary software when the original authors don't >> want it ending up there. >> >> >> I really don't see where Microsoft or Novell or anyone else would have >> any more ground to stand on to go after Ubuntu than they would going >> after Red Hat. > > If you come to me and say "hey, I want to do something steal a car" > and I give you the tools and drive you to a car I know is easy to > steal, have I don't anything illegal? I didn't actually steal the > car, so am I OK legally? > > In many jurisdictions (Texas being one of them) I am not. I am just > as guilty of that car theft as the primary actor. > > I don't know if the patent holders for those codecs would actually win > a contributory violation suit against a distro which does this. But > it would certainly lead to a loooooooong drawn out court case which > would give MSFT and other anti-F/OSS folks a lot to FUD about. > > Thomas that's exactly right. i think all the clear cut violations are done via automatix, which even tells you when you run it "you're breaking the law". automatix seems to be fairly well distanced from ubuntu as far as organizational ties, so I think ubuntu is probably pretty safe from a full assault, on that front... e From hc at lookcee.com Sat Jun 2 18:11:36 2007 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sat Jun 2 18:12:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <4661C8BD.5030606@then7.com> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> <4661C8BD.5030606@then7.com> Message-ID: <4661F928.6050307@lookcee.com> Eli wrote: > Thomas Cameron wrote: >> Daniel J. Givens wrote: >>> Eli wrote: >>>> Strange, my experience is the opposite. Ubuntu is worthless for >>>> proprietary formats...just like most distros. >>>> >>>> Until Automatix is run, that is... >>> >>> With the latest release of Ubuntu, Feisty Fawn, anytime you try to open >>> a file that requires a codec you don't have, you are asked if you want >>> the system to retrieve it for you. Of course, you are warned that if >>> you >>> get a codec that is covered by a patent in your country, you are >>> breaking the law, etc etc. Ubuntu, though, is covered in that aspect. >>> >>> Also, any copyrighted material used in Ubuntu is used by the permission >>> of the copyright holder. Copyright doesn't necessarily mean that the >>> material can't be shared or modified. Almost all F/OSS is copyrighted, >>> but licensed for open distribution and modification. It is copyrights >>> that ensure the GPL and other licenses keep code written by the >>> community out of proprietary software when the original authors don't >>> want it ending up there. >>> >>> >>> I really don't see where Microsoft or Novell or anyone else would have >>> any more ground to stand on to go after Ubuntu than they would going >>> after Red Hat. >> >> If you come to me and say "hey, I want to do something steal a car" >> and I give you the tools and drive you to a car I know is easy to >> steal, have I don't anything illegal? I didn't actually steal the >> car, so am I OK legally? >> >> In many jurisdictions (Texas being one of them) I am not. I am just >> as guilty of that car theft as the primary actor. >> >> I don't know if the patent holders for those codecs would actually >> win a contributory violation suit against a distro which does this. >> But it would certainly lead to a loooooooong drawn out court case >> which would give MSFT and other anti-F/OSS folks a lot to FUD about. >> >> Thomas > that's exactly right. i think all the clear cut violations are done > via automatix, which even tells you when you run it "you're breaking > the law". > automatix seems to be fairly well distanced from ubuntu as far as > organizational ties, so I think ubuntu is probably pretty safe from a > full assault, on that front... > > e Yeah this was my train of thought. I heard a blurb on radio that Ubuntu was in a financial strain and the analyst wondered about the risk of the agreement with Dell being a further drain rather than good for cash flow and that made me think of the rumbles MS is making to sue 200+infringements and if they are indeed serious they are certainly given the opportunity to fire the first salvo. Win or lose if that were to happen it could drain Ubuntu to extinction. MS pockets are way deep. From vern.davis at gmail.com Sat Jun 2 18:39:48 2007 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Sat Jun 2 18:40:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200706011612.54038.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> References: <20070601200005.6827E43EA25@satlug.org> <200706011612.54038.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <5ef09f10706021639q2040dcbdr3094fa92ec40c21f@mail.gmail.com> On 6/1/07, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Vern, I followed your directions and the card is recognized by my system when > using the 'tail -f /var/log/messages' command. here is the output > > with card unpluged: > > May 31 22:29:11 toddwbucy-laptop kernel: [12523.600000] tifm0 : demand > removing card from socket 0:0 > > card pluged in: > May 31 22:30:05 toddwbucy-laptop kernel: [12577.600000] tifm_core: > SmartMedia/xD card detected in socket 0:0 > > This seems to be a good sign so I went on with your edit suggestion in fstab > > here is a current coppy of my fstab: > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # > proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > # /dev/sda1 > UUID=fde3abc3-9f37-41da-add7-3e87f2bae66b / reiserfs notail > 0 1 > # /dev/sda3 > UUID=9a29aada-0fd6-422a-90d0-6300e9928c4c /home reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sda2 > UUID=b7689728-2b11-44b9-9678-8d8b188851e8 none swap sw > 0 0 > /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 > > /dev/sdd1 /media/card_reader auto users,noauto,rw 0 0 > > I then created the directory that you suggested and tried to mount the device > like you suggested. Unfortuately it came up with an error. > > error output: > ~$ mount /media/card_reader > [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab > [mntent]: line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad > mount: can't find /media/card_reader in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab > > I feel like I almost have it fixed but my knowledge of fstab is quite limited. > I did notice though that the other devices in my fstab all have UUIDs. could > this be causing the problem? if so how do I find out what the UUID is for my > sd card reader? > > Thanks again guys for your paitence and help > Todd > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Well Todd, my suggestion for what to put in your fstab was based on the following lines from my /var/log/messages file (output of the tail -f command); May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: SCSI device sdd: 4005888 512-byte hdwr sectors (2051 MB) May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: sdd: Write Protect is off May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: sdd: assuming drive cache: write through May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: sdd: sdd1 May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdd As you can see, the kernel recognized the card and set it up as /dev/sdd1. I see no such thing in the output of your tail command, so that line will most likely not work in your fstab file. You should delete that line from your fstab before it screws something up! I don't see anything from your posting remotely resembling what works on my FC6 box, so I will have to defer to someone who knows the mechanics of how Kubuntu mounts USB mass storage devices. -- vern.davis@gmail.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Jun 2 19:25:03 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Jun 2 19:25:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 SD Card not recognized (kubuntu) In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10706021639q2040dcbdr3094fa92ec40c21f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070601200005.6827E43EA25@satlug.org> <200706011612.54038.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> <5ef09f10706021639q2040dcbdr3094fa92ec40c21f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706021925.03455.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> > Well Todd, my suggestion for what to put in your fstab was based on > the following lines from my /var/log/messages file (output of the tail > -f command); > > May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: SCSI device sdd: 4005888 512-byte > hdwr sectors (2051 MB) > May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: sdd: Write Protect is off > May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: sdd: assuming drive cache: write through > May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: sdd: sdd1 > May 30 13:02:12 deuce kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk > sdd > > As you can see, the kernel recognized the card and set it up as /dev/sdd1. > > I see no such thing in the output of your tail command, so that line > will most likely not work in your fstab file. > > You should delete that line from your fstab before it screws something up! > > I don't see anything from your posting remotely resembling what works > on my FC6 box, so I will have to defer to someone who knows the > mechanics of how Kubuntu mounts USB mass storage devices. > > -- > vern.davis@gmail.com Thanks Vern for the help. I have commented out that line in my fstab already. Also my own research seems to suggest that it may not be my reader that is the problem; it may instead be the card. I am using a Fujifilm XD Card which may not be supported by linux as of yet. I am however not to shure about this as most of the comments I see about XD cards are over a year old. If there is any one out there that can confirm this for me I would appreciate it. Either way I have to wait until payday to get a "real" SD card to see if i can get that to work. thanks again guys Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Jun 2 19:52:44 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Jun 2 19:53:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <4661F928.6050307@lookcee.com> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <4661C8BD.5030606@then7.com> <4661F928.6050307@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <200706021952.44634.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Saturday 02 June 2007 06:11:36 pm herb cee wrote: > Eli wrote: > > Thomas Cameron wrote: > >> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > >>> Eli wrote: > >>>> Strange, my experience is the opposite. Ubuntu is worthless for > >>>> proprietary formats...just like most distros. > >>>> > >>>> Until Automatix is run, that is... > >>> > >>> With the latest release of Ubuntu, Feisty Fawn, anytime you try to open > >>> a file that requires a codec you don't have, you are asked if you want > >>> the system to retrieve it for you. Of course, you are warned that if > >>> you > >>> get a codec that is covered by a patent in your country, you are > >>> breaking the law, etc etc. Ubuntu, though, is covered in that aspect. > >>> > >>> Also, any copyrighted material used in Ubuntu is used by the permission > >>> of the copyright holder. Copyright doesn't necessarily mean that the > >>> material can't be shared or modified. Almost all F/OSS is copyrighted, > >>> but licensed for open distribution and modification. It is copyrights > >>> that ensure the GPL and other licenses keep code written by the > >>> community out of proprietary software when the original authors don't > >>> want it ending up there. > >>> > >>> > >>> I really don't see where Microsoft or Novell or anyone else would have > >>> any more ground to stand on to go after Ubuntu than they would going > >>> after Red Hat. > >> > >> If you come to me and say "hey, I want to do something steal a car" > >> and I give you the tools and drive you to a car I know is easy to > >> steal, have I don't anything illegal? I didn't actually steal the > >> car, so am I OK legally? > >> > >> In many jurisdictions (Texas being one of them) I am not. I am just > >> as guilty of that car theft as the primary actor. > >> > >> I don't know if the patent holders for those codecs would actually > >> win a contributory violation suit against a distro which does this. > >> But it would certainly lead to a loooooooong drawn out court case > >> which would give MSFT and other anti-F/OSS folks a lot to FUD about. > >> > >> Thomas > > > > that's exactly right. i think all the clear cut violations are done > > via automatix, which even tells you when you run it "you're breaking > > the law". > > automatix seems to be fairly well distanced from ubuntu as far as > > organizational ties, so I think ubuntu is probably pretty safe from a > > full assault, on that front... > > > > e > > Yeah this was my train of thought. I heard a blurb on radio that Ubuntu > was in a financial strain and the analyst wondered about the risk of the > agreement with Dell being a further drain rather than good for cash flow > and that made me think of the rumbles MS is making to sue > 200+infringements and if they are indeed serious they are certainly > given the opportunity to fire the first salvo. Win or lose if that were > to happen it could drain Ubuntu to extinction. MS pockets are way deep. this may be true when you speak of Canonical, as they are the legal face of Ubuntu. But Ubuntu the distro wil go one like anyonther linux will. Thankfully Ubuntu has a strong enough community that it should survive the collapse of Canonical. There will of course be an adjustment period. I also have another more pragmatic question about my personal liability. If I have paid my M$ tax and own a copy of say Win XP pro then I have paid for the right to use w32codecs and libdvdcss regardless of the operating system in which they are used. Would this argument hold up in court? It seems to me that it might. This is especially true if you consider the M$ Suse deal. M$ sees that as a new possible revenue stream and the Suse community is safe from legal action. While I don't like it this maybe the way of the future for linux. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Jun 2 19:53:35 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Jun 2 19:53:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 SD Card not recognized (kubuntu) Message-ID: <6b8ac8d37c194710becbe9beea80da15.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Also my own research seems to suggest that it may not be my reader that is the problem; it may instead be the card. I am using a Fujifilm XD Card which may not be supported by linux as of yet. I am however not to shure about this as most of the comments I see about XD cards are over a year old. If there is any one out there that can confirm this for me Iwould appreciate it. Either way I have to wait until payday to get a "real" SD card to see if i can get that to work. -------------------------------------- Seriously doubt the XD card has anything to do with it, believe you will find it's getting the card reader to work in Linux. From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat Jun 2 21:39:28 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat Jun 2 21:39:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46976.24.28.24.180.1180838368.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > I'm certain there is a cleaner way to do this, but it appears to work > for me. Sorry it took so long. > > file `find . -type f` | awk '{if ($2=="DOS") print $1}' | tr -d : | xargs rm > > Just replace . with your directory of preference, and if you aren't > copying and pasting, make sure you know what are the backticks and > what are the quotes. > > You er.. may want to test it works before you deploy it. :-) Anyone ambitious enough to break that command down for us? I'm sure there are folks, like me, that haven't seen some of these commands. :) Thanks! From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat Jun 2 21:42:37 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat Jun 2 21:43:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200706011612.54038.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> References: <20070601200005.6827E43EA25@satlug.org> <200706011612.54038.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <46986.24.28.24.180.1180838557.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > /dev/sdd1 /media/card_reader auto users,noauto,rw 0 0 > > I then created the directory that you suggested and tried to mount the device > like you suggested. Unfortuately it came up with an error. > > error output: > ~$ mount /media/card_reader > [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab > [mntent]: line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad > mount: can't find /media/card_reader in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab > > I feel like I almost have it fixed but my knowledge of fstab is quite limited. > I did notice though that the other devices in my fstab all have UUIDs. could > this be causing the problem? if so how do I find out what the UUID is for my > sd card reader? I know you have gone a different direction, but notice that the error tells you you'll need a newline (a simple press of the Enter key, if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the last line. It was mentioned in later posts that the messages you saw didn't state what device file was assigned. Is that correct? From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Jun 2 22:05:05 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Jun 2 22:05:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] checking for data file type and deleting (metadata search?) In-Reply-To: <46976.24.28.24.180.1180838368.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <46976.24.28.24.180.1180838368.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: On 6/2/07, Thomas King wrote: >> file `find . -type f` | awk '{if ($2=="DOS") print $1}' | tr -d : | xargs rm [ ... deletia ... ] > Anyone ambitious enough to break that command down for us? I'm sure there are > folks, like me, that haven't seen some of these commands. :) It's not hard. Let's first break this down by the stages of the pipeline. The first stage is: file `find . -type f` What this does is run the "find" command in the current directory and have it print out all files of type "f" (i.e., normal files as opposed to device special files, directories, symbolic links, etc...), and then feed that as input to the "file" command. It uses the back-tick command subshell method of running the "find" command, and then substitutes the output from that command subshell as arguments to the "file" command in the current shell. Stage two is to take the output of the "file" command and use the programming language "awk" to look for anywhere that it says "DOS" as the second argument for any given file. For those files, it prints out the first argument on that line, which would presumably be the filename in question that is a DOS file. The third stage uses the "tr" command to delete colons from the output file name. The fourth and final stage is to feed all those files to "xargs", which in this case will take all the filenames that can fit onto a single line and then run the "rm" command on all those files, and if there are any files left to process then it will handle the next chunk, and so on until there are no more DOS files to be deleted. However, there are some problems here. For one, not all versions of "find" will automatically do a "-print" for you as part of the command. Moreover, if any DOS file had a space or other special character in it, that would mess up the whole rest of the process. You'd need to do a "-print0" to get around that. Third, this runs the risk of finding so many DOS files that you would exceed the limits of what could be stuffed into a single command line, and you'd just have the whole thing fail to work. Let's try to re-work this and see if we can improve it (wrapped for readability): find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 file | \ awk '{if ($2=="DOS") print $1}' | tr -d : | xargs rm Now we're taking all the normal files located in the current directory (and below), then doing a null-terminated print of those file names. That output is fed to xargs with a particular option to tell it that all strings are null terminated, and we feed these files in chunks to the "file" command. The rest is the same. Since we take the output of "find" and send that output to xargs, we don't run the risk of generating so many files that we overrun the command-line buffer on the shell. We also use null-terminated strings so that we avoid the problem of choking on files that have special characters in their names. This version is simpler and more robust, although it does use more stages to the pipeline. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Jun 2 23:51:27 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Jun 2 23:51:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Network Analysis Message-ID: <2cd8dceb2a13482da1d2f997edb429ed.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Is there a network guru that can tell me what, if anything my speed test results are indicating (besides things are slower than He_l. The following test were run with speakeasy in Dallas and all figures are kbps (kilo bits per second) not kBps. Down Up Time M/D 151 ~ 354 12:00 6/1 201 ~ 210 13:00 6/2 206 ~ 444 14:00 6/2 336 ~ 398 18:00 6/2 98 ~ 307 23:00 6/2 I don't understand why upload speed on three of the tests is significantly higher than download, thought it would be the reverse. My Wireless DSL provider (wireweb . net / 207.136.42.50) seems to have a bent pipe, or has moved me to a bad network. Started Friday morning and continues. Tonight at 23:00 Chicago was 64 kbps and Seattle 72 kbps. Traceroute runs normal till it leaves SA and enters the pipe, further hops time out so I can't pinpoint the offending link(s). TIA Lou From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sun Jun 3 00:33:50 2007 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sun Jun 3 00:34:28 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <4661C402.3060609@rugmonster.org> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> <4661C402.3060609@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <466252BE.6020106@camerontech.com> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > Thomas Cameron wrote: >> I don't know if the patent holders for those codecs would actually win a >> contributory violation suit against a distro which does this. But it >> would certainly lead to a loooooooong drawn out court case which would >> give MSFT and other anti-F/OSS folks a lot to FUD about. > > OH NOES! It's the end of F/OSS! Not sure how you get to this piece of happy horseshit from what I said. > So you mean like SCO? There isn't any new FUD in this, because Microsoft > and others have already been spreading it for years. What is more > telling, is that Microsoft and all of the non-free software makers are > just as vulnerable to being sued for patent infringement because it > certainly seems they have had more cases filed against them. There is > more FUD on this to go around and that is why insurance companies are > now offering protection against this now for companies that are the > users of software. It is easy today to say "oh the SCO thing was a bunch of nothing." At the time, it *significantly* impacted the commercial uptake of Linux. Even today, many many more C-level execs are familiar with Microsoft than with Linux. When they hear Microsoft make statements about patent violations and the like, they listen. To blithely poo-poo the risk of a commercial distro making patent-protected software available is stupid. Just because it isn't new FUD doesn't mean it isn't effective FUD. > In all reality, anyone that did sue the backers of a distribution, such > as Canonical, would more than likely get a settlement, processes would > change, and everyone would move along. In the end, the codecs will still > be available in some form. The genie is out of the bottle and I think > this is true of almost any patented technology that has been implemented > in F/OSS. If anyone sued a Linux distro maker, it would probably drag on for ages, and during that time opponents to Linux would be shouting from the rooftops that Linux is going away. If you don't see how this would have a chilling effect on Linux success, you need to read a little more about the history of BSD. > What court system would they sue under? It doesn't really matter. The US or Europe, either way this kind of law suit is hugely damaging, win or lose. > If the servers hosting the > patented stuff is outside the jurisdiction of the patent, then how can a > patent holder really sue? It doesn't matter where the servers hosting the IP violating codecs are. What matters is the intent of the Linux distro maker. If there is even a small chance that it can be proven that the intent of the distro maker was to cause the illegal distribution of patent encumbered technology, do you think for a second that Microsoft wouldn't quietly fund another lawsuit like they did with SCO? Let me make clear: I don't think that this would be a winnable lawsuit, but this is not about winning such a suit. It is about muddying the waters around Linux. IMHO, Ubuntu's decision to add code to their distro which encourages what the courts see as software piracy is ludicrous. It is potentially very harmful to the Linux community. > This kind of goes into the "how can linking be > illegal without infringing on someone's free speech" debate. Not really. I think you just don't understand the implications. TC From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 3 10:49:48 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jun 3 10:50:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <46986.24.28.24.180.1180838557.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <20070601200005.6827E43EA25@satlug.org> <200706011612.54038.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> <46986.24.28.24.180.1180838557.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <200706031049.48825.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Saturday 02 June 2007 09:42:37 pm Thomas King wrote: > > /dev/sdd1 /media/card_reader auto users,noauto,rw 0 0 > > > > I then created the directory that you suggested and tried to mount the > > device like you suggested. Unfortuately it came up with an error. > > > > error output: > > ~$ mount /media/card_reader > > [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab > > [mntent]: line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad > > mount: can't find /media/card_reader in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab > > > > I feel like I almost have it fixed but my knowledge of fstab is quite > > limited. I did notice though that the other devices in my fstab all have > > UUIDs. could this be causing the problem? if so how do I find out what > > the UUID is for my sd card reader? > > I know you have gone a different direction, but notice that the error tells > you you'll need a newline (a simple press of the Enter key, if I'm not > mistaken) at the end of the last line. > > It was mentioned in later posts that the messages you saw didn't state what > device file was assigned. Is that correct? Unfortunately Thomas, it appears that this is an unrelated error. I have a very bad memory and the mess that I created with the earlier posts is too much of a headache to try and sort through. So just to get everyone (including myself) up to speed a quick review. I am trying to get a internal 5 in 1 card reader working in my Toshiba laptop. I am running ubuntu studio feisty with a low latency kernel. Currently I have a 128mb Fuji Film xd picture card as my test media. my abriviated lspci 07:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller 07:06.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCIxx12 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller 07:06.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) 07:06.3 Generic system peripheral [0805]: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller 07:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation PRO/100 VE Network Connection (rev 02) my abreviated dmesg [ 101.921000] tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0 [ 104.484000] tifm_core: SmartMedia/xD card detected in socket 0:0 [ 1319.322000] tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0 my current fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/sda1 UUID=e530da8a-4540-415a-934e-6ff26cd8387b / reiserfs notail 0 1 # /dev/sda3 UUID=9a29aada-0fd6-422a-90d0-6300e9928c4c /home reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sda2 UUID=b7689728-2b11-44b9-9678-8d8b188851e8 none swap sw 0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 #media card reader /dev/sdd1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? /media/card_reader ? ? ?auto ? users,noauto,rw 0 0 the new 'mount' error ~# mount /media/card_reader [mntent]: line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad mount: can't find /media/card_reader in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab Now my theory, as of yesterday was that it was the media, now however I am not so sure. A few of the post on various forums seemed to sugest that Linux did not as of yet have drivers for the XD card. These post however were over a year old. Additionally the new mount error suggests to me that my current problem is not the media but the syntax of my fstab. As stated before I am somewhat of a n00b and messing too much with my fstab scares me. As far as getting an SD card that nothing more than a shot in the dark and a sign of my fustration with this problem. (I have been researching this problem for almost 6 months now.) Any advice or guidence that you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Todd From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Jun 3 10:50:08 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Jun 3 10:50:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope & Litigation Message-ID: <1578749c8d4947039bd2aeaa2f9a12f2.scs@worldlinkisp.com> > Thomas Cameron wrote: It is easy today to say "oh the SCO thing was a bunch of nothing." At the time, it *significantly* impacted the commercial uptake of Linux. Even today, many many more C-level execs are familiar with Microsoft than with Linux. When they hear Microsoft make statements about patent violations and the like, they listen. To blithely poo-poo the risk of a commercial distro making patent-protected software available is stupid. Just because it isn't new FUD doesn't mean it isn't effective FUD. If anyone sued a Linux distro maker, it would probably drag on for ages, and during that time opponents to Linux would be shouting from the rooftops that Linux is going away. If you don't see how this would have a chilling effect on Linux success, you need to read a little more about the history of BSD. > What court system would they sue under? It doesn't really matter. The US or Europe, either way this kind of law suit is hugely damaging, win or lose. > If the servers hosting the > patented stuff is outside the jurisdiction of the patent, then how can a > patent holder really sue? It doesn't matter where the servers hosting the IP violating codecs are. What matters is the intent of the Linux distro maker. If there is even a small chance that it can be proven that the intent of the distro maker was to cause the illegal distribution of patent encumbered technology, do you think for a second that Microsoft wouldn't quietly fund another lawsuit like they did with SCO? Let me make clear: I don't think that this would be a winnable lawsuit, but this is not about winning such a suit. It is about muddying the waters around Linux. ----------------------------------------------------- Agree with Thomas, CEO'S CFO'S and CIO's are skiddish. There's an interesting example of what litigation can do in Oracle's current lawsuit(s) against SAP alleging theft of proprietary data and copyright material (by SAP's " Tomorrow Now" subsidiary). Oracle is using litigation to contain and destroy SAP's growing customer base (ala Microsoft), and also to drive SAP's stock price down to an price level whereby takeover would be both profitable and easy for Oracle. Ellison is as ruthless as Gates, he wants it all and doesn't care how. Would be interesting to put Larry and Bill in a bag, shake it a few times, and see who comes out in one piece. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 3 10:51:52 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jun 3 10:52:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200706031049.48825.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> References: <20070601200005.6827E43EA25@satlug.org> <46986.24.28.24.180.1180838557.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <200706031049.48825.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <200706031051.52320.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Sunday 03 June 2007 10:49:48 am Todd W. Bucy wrote: > On Saturday 02 June 2007 09:42:37 pm Thomas King wrote: > > > /dev/sdd1 /media/card_reader auto users,noauto,rw 0 0 > > > > > > I then created the directory that you suggested and tried to mount the > > > device like you suggested. Unfortuately it came up with an error. > > > > > > error output: > > > ~$ mount /media/card_reader > > > [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab > > > [mntent]: line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad > > > mount: can't find /media/card_reader in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab > > > > > > I feel like I almost have it fixed but my knowledge of fstab is quite > > > limited. I did notice though that the other devices in my fstab all > > > have UUIDs. could this be causing the problem? if so how do I find > > > out what the UUID is for my sd card reader? > > > > I know you have gone a different direction, but notice that the error > > tells you you'll need a newline (a simple press of the Enter key, if I'm > > not mistaken) at the end of the last line. > > > > It was mentioned in later posts that the messages you saw didn't state > > what device file was assigned. Is that correct? > > Unfortunately Thomas, it appears that this is an unrelated error. I have a > very bad memory and the mess that I created with the earlier posts is too > much of a headache to try and sort through. So just to get everyone > (including myself) up to speed a quick review. > I am trying to get a internal 5 in 1 card reader working in my Toshiba > laptop. I am running ubuntu studio feisty with a low latency kernel. > Currently I have a 128mb Fuji Film xd picture card as my test media. > > my abriviated lspci > 07:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller > 07:06.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCIxx12 OHCI Compliant IEEE > 1394 Host Controller > 07:06.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card > Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) > 07:06.3 Generic system peripheral [0805]: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 SDA > Standard Compliant SD Host Controller > 07:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation PRO/100 VE Network > Connection (rev 02) > > my abreviated dmesg > [ 101.921000] tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0 > [ 104.484000] tifm_core: SmartMedia/xD card detected in socket 0:0 > [ 1319.322000] tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0 > > my current fstab > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # > proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > # /dev/sda1 > UUID=e530da8a-4540-415a-934e-6ff26cd8387b / reiserfs notail > 0 1 > # /dev/sda3 > UUID=9a29aada-0fd6-422a-90d0-6300e9928c4c /home reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sda2 > UUID=b7689728-2b11-44b9-9678-8d8b188851e8 none swap sw > 0 0 > /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 > > #media card reader > /dev/sdd1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? /media/card_reader ? ? ?auto ? users,noauto,rw 0 0 > > the new 'mount' error > ~# mount /media/card_reader > [mntent]: line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad > mount: can't find /media/card_reader in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab > > > Now my theory, as of yesterday was that it was the media, now however I am > not so sure. A few of the post on various forums seemed to sugest that > Linux did not as of yet have drivers for the XD card. These post however > were over a year old. Additionally the new mount error suggests to me that > my current problem is not the media but the syntax of my fstab. As stated > before I am somewhat of a n00b and messing too much with my fstab scares > me. As far as getting an SD card that nothing more than a shot in the dark > and a sign of my fustration with this problem. (I have been researching > this problem for almost 6 months now.) Any advice or guidence that you > have would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Todd p.s. Oh yeah I forgot I did create the directory called '/media/card_reader' Thanks again TWB From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Jun 3 11:51:53 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Jun 3 11:52:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Toshiba Card Reader (Tood Bucy) Message-ID: <6e907f8a2cef4ec0b416b57575be269d.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Lets start fresh, would you please restate the following: [1] Toshiba model / part number [2} Kbuntu version [3] Kernel I threw you a curve pointing you to fstab (sorry), take a look at mtab. In kernel 2.6.20 if it's recognized it should show up as /dev/sd__ /mnt/usb vfat rw, nosuid,nodeb,uid=0 I located my old Fujifilm XD DPC-R1 external usb card reader and just now tried it (in Kernel 2.6.20) it recognizes it as soon as it's plugged in and appears at the bottom of dmesg. I can click on mountpoints, usb, and appropriate directory and then choose the jpeg I want to view (Olympus XD media) Now since your reader is built-in not sure how it's configured, but perhaps there's a light at the end of the tunnel. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Jun 3 13:12:40 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Jun 3 13:13:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re; Toshiba Card Reader (Tood Bucy) Message-ID: Found something interesting, attached the Fujifilm DPC-R1 usb card reader to my Tohsiba Tecra 8100 running kernel 2.6.21.1 with GGC 4.1.2 and it does NOT work, something wrong in the kernel. My two desktops running 2.6.20 with GGC 3.4.6 work great. Possibly you can find a ___buntu version that uses kernel 2.6.20 and give it a try. NVNG. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 3 13:16:13 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jun 3 13:16:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Toshiba Card Reader (Tood Bucy) In-Reply-To: <6e907f8a2cef4ec0b416b57575be269d.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <6e907f8a2cef4ec0b416b57575be269d.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <200706031316.14016.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Sunday 03 June 2007 11:51:53 am scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Lets start fresh, would you please restate the following: > [1] Toshiba model / part number Toshiba Sattellite A105-S4164. it uses the Pheonix bios chip which I have recently and successfully updated > [2} Kbuntu version specifically I am using Ubuntu Studio with the Kubuntu Desktop. My kernel version is 2.6.20-16-lowlatency. > [3] Kernel My kernel version is 2.6.20-16-lowlatency > > I threw you a curve pointing you to fstab (sorry), > take a > look at mtab. In kernel 2.6.20 if it's recognized it > should > show up as /dev/sd__ /mnt/usb vfat rw, > nosuid,nodeb,uid=0 here is my current mtab /dev/sda1 / reiserfs rw,notail 0 0 proc /proc proc rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0 /sys /sys sysfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0 varrun /var/run tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755 0 0 varlock /var/lock tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777 0 0 procbususb /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 udev /dev tmpfs rw,mode=0755 0 0 devshm /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 lrm /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-lowlatency/volatile tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/sda3 /home reiserfs rw 0 0 binfmt_misc /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 it dosnt look like it is as the only sd_ are my / and /home directories. Can I edit this in? > > I located my old Fujifilm XD DPC-R1 external usb card > reader > and just now tried it (in Kernel 2.6.20) it > recognizes it as > soon as it's plugged in and appears at the bottom of > dmesg. this is very hopeful > > I can click on mountpoints, usb, and appropriate > directory and > then choose the jpeg I want to view (Olympus XD media) > > Now since your reader is built-in not sure how it's > configured, > but perhaps there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I am begining to think that there is. Thanks Todd From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Jun 3 19:15:08 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Jun 3 19:15:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re; Toshiba Card Reader (Tood Bucy) Message-ID: I dropped down and reloaded kernel 2.6.18.6 on my Tecra 8100 and have the same card reader functionality as with 2.6.20. Googled and found an interesting Feisty Bug Report #105284, a User reported his TI PCIxx12 reader problems started after upgrading from 2.6.20.12 to 2.6.20.13. Another interesting one is Bug #53923. Found a patch by an Aussie (Macogw) that supposedly fixes the problem, but doesn't work with xD cards, only works with SD & MMC. See if you can find an earlier Ubuntu version with a 2.6.20 or lower (even number)kernel to experiment with. Have you posted your problem on any of the Ubuntu forums, couldn't hurt, NVNG. You can't edit your mtab (WYSIWYG), not sure but I think the last line in your mtab could be your card reader (binfmt_misc......rw 0 0). From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Jun 3 19:44:39 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Jun 3 19:45:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re; Toshiba Card Reader (Tood Bucy) Message-ID: You might try this stab in the dark (from Macogw) in terminal double check < lspci > if 07:06.3 is correct as you earlier reported then try. < setpci -s 07:06.3 > < enter > Reboot and see if this makes any difference. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 3 19:51:57 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jun 3 19:52:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re; Toshiba Card Reader (Tood Bucy) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200706031951.57273.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Sunday 03 June 2007 07:15:08 pm scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > I dropped down and reloaded kernel 2.6.18.6 on my > Tecra 8100 and have the same card reader functionality > as with 2.6.20. > > Googled and found an interesting Feisty Bug Report > #105284, a User reported his TI PCIxx12 reader > problems started after upgrading from 2.6.20.12 > to 2.6.20.13. > > Another interesting one is Bug #53923. > > Found a patch by an Aussie (Macogw) that > supposedly fixes the problem, but doesn't work > with xD cards, only works with SD & MMC. > > See if you can find an earlier Ubuntu version with > a 2.6.20 or lower (even number)kernel to experiment > with. > > Have you posted your problem on any of the Ubuntu > forums, couldn't hurt, NVNG. > > You can't edit your mtab (WYSIWYG), not sure but I > think the last line in your mtab could be your card > reader (binfmt_misc......rw 0 0). sounds like you found a lot of the stuff that I did, which is to say not much. I even tried the patch for the SD and MMC cards but it obviously didn't work for. The thing that gets me is that the card is recognized in my lspci and dmesg as an XD card so I am not so sure that that is necessarily the problem. As for my Kernel, currently Iam running the 2.6.20-16-lowlatency kernel. I have also tried the generic flavor as well as the 2.6.20-15- low latency and generic kernels all given me the same problem. I have been thinking about trying the 2.6.20.12 and lower but I wanted to exhaust all posibilities with the one I have installed b4 installing yet another kernel. I must admit that I havn't as of yet posted to Ubuntu Forums, I will do that in the next day or so. Thanks for your help Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 3 21:10:21 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jun 3 21:10:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re; Toshiba Card Reader (Tood Bucy) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200706032110.21509.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Sunday 03 June 2007 07:44:39 pm scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > You might try this stab in the dark (from Macogw) > in terminal double check < lspci > if 07:06.3 is > correct as you earlier reported then try. > > < setpci -s 07:06.3 > < enter > > > Reboot and see if this makes any difference. tried it and no change Todd From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Jun 3 23:02:29 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Jun 3 23:02:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Network Analysis In-Reply-To: <2cd8dceb2a13482da1d2f997edb429ed.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <2cd8dceb2a13482da1d2f997edb429ed.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <46638ED5.9000300@rugmonster.org> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Is there a network guru that can tell me what, if > anything my speed test results are indicating > (besides things are slower than He_l. Chances are, either your ISP has oversold its pipe, their provider has oversold their pipe, or they are having some major issues. I would complain. I had similar issues here in Montgomery with my cable company. When a tech came out, he said they knew that the area was oversold and were working on convincing the corporate office to upgrade the equipment in the area. Several weeks later, I had fast internet again, but I ended up getting a free month for my troubles. > Traceroute runs normal till it leaves SA and enters > the pipe, further hops time out so I can't pinpoint > the offending link(s). While major routers should respond to traceroute, but it could be getting blocked along the way. It isn't terribly uncommon, but I would sort of expect ISPs and core routers to accept the requests. ~Daniel From brad at shub-internet.org Sun Jun 3 23:36:56 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun Jun 3 23:37:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Network Analysis In-Reply-To: <2cd8dceb2a13482da1d2f997edb429ed.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <2cd8dceb2a13482da1d2f997edb429ed.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: On 6/3/07, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Is there a network guru that can tell me what, if > anything my speed test results are indicating > (besides things are slower than He_l. The following > test were run with speakeasy in Dallas and all > figures are kbps (kilo bits per second) not kBps. If you're in San Antonio and you're testing against servers in Dallas, Seattle, Chicago, or elsewhere, then your test results are pretty much useless right off the bat -- you have no idea how many providers may be between those two points and may have congested WAN links, congested routers or switches at various facilities, etc.... > My Wireless DSL provider (wireweb . net / > 207.136.42.50) seems to have a bent pipe, or has > moved me to a bad network. Started Friday morning > and continues. Tonight at 23:00 Chicago was 64 kbps > and Seattle 72 kbps. If you want to test your local network provider, you've got to choose remote endpoint servers that are *just* outside the network of your provider, and almost certainly located there in the same city. Beyond that point, you're into testing the Internet itself, and that would be like running your air conditioner and leaving the door open so that you can try to cool down the whole block. Besides, for network testing, you normally only care about the chokepoints and overall throughput, and you're not going to find any typical testing tools available to you that will help you in this regard. You really need to be running tools like pathrate and pathload on both the server and client sides (so you have to control both ends, or have someone on the other end who is willing to run a co-operative program on your behalf). See the CAIDA page at for a selection of programs in this area. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Jun 3 23:48:23 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Jun 3 23:48:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <466252BE.6020106@camerontech.com> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> <4661C402.3060609@rugmonster.org> <466252BE.6020106@camerontech.com> Message-ID: <46639997.9080808@rugmonster.org> Thomas Cameron wrote: > I wrote: >> OH NOES! It's the end of F/OSS! > > Not sure how you get to this piece of happy horseshit from what I said. I'm just sick of all of the FUD that seems to drive this industry. There is always an undercurrent of doom and gloom when you (the collective you) start talking about business and F/OSS. > It is easy today to say "oh the SCO thing was a bunch of nothing." At > the time, it *significantly* impacted the commercial uptake of Linux. There were then and still are significant roadblocks besides FUD that are affecting the commercial uptake of Linux and F/OSS as a whole. As more people offer enterprise support ala Red Hat, Novell, and now Ubuntu, you will see businesses becoming more interested and less afraid in it. There is also the fact that the talent pool of qualified folks that can provide in-house support is relatively small. And let's face it, most Microsoft admins don't really have much interest in learning another OS. We are the geeks that come home at night after working on computers all day to play on computers. I'm sure we all realize how few of us there are in the industry and those other folks won't learn something unless it provides some increased monetary reward or more job security. > Even today, many many more C-level execs are familiar with Microsoft > than with Linux. ...because they have Windows on their computers at home. Not Linux, not *BSD, not Solaris, and most don't even have OS X. Of course there are exceptions, but by and far, all they see and know is Windows and they have little interest (right now) about anything else. > It doesn't really matter. The US or Europe, either way this kind of law > suit is hugely damaging, win or lose. There are more places in the world besides the US and Europe. Canonical is based in South Africa after all. Also, I didn't think you could patent software in most of Europe (yet). > Let me make clear: I don't think that this would be a winnable lawsuit, > but this is not about winning such a suit. It is about muddying the > waters around Linux. And it's going to happen no matter what anyone does. There is far too much at stake for the traditional software and support companies if Linux and F/OSS as a whole continues on its current path of rapid growth and refinement. People are becoming more aware of it and as they do, the stakes will get even higher. Expect it and begin prepping your arguments to counter the FUD. The tone of this thread has the tone of a lot of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt and it sounds like we've already started to play into it. > IMHO, Ubuntu's decision to add code to their distro which encourages > what the courts see as software piracy is ludicrous. It is potentially > very harmful to the Linux community. That stuff has been there for a long time, just like there have been non-free repositories for Debian for years, and third party repositories with this stuff available all along. > I think you just don't understand the implications. I think I do. I am just choosing not to fall into the FUD. If, and more likely, when it becomes an issue, then the community will have to rally against whoever shows up as a threat with lawsuit in hand. If you really think Canonical and the Ubuntu community have made such a major misstep, why don't you let your concerns be known to them. Remember, this is community built software, so we can all offer our opinion. A certain level of evangelism is still needed and as more people find out about F/OSS and embrace it, the false statements from the closed-source community will have less effect. If companies such as Canonical, Red Hat, Novell, MySQL, et al decide they want to bring F/OSS to the business world, they had better expect a fight from the competition, and they aren't going to be fighting fair. If we as a community want to support it, we need to let the FUD roll off our backs and continue to push forward. Am I idealistic? Probably, but my glasses aren't entirely rose colored. ~Daniel From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Jun 4 00:28:17 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Jun 4 00:28:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Hope In-Reply-To: <46639997.9080808@rugmonster.org> References: <465FB3FC.1070504@lookcee.com> <465FD409.90600@then7.com> <46618960.1090900@rugmonster.org> <466198AC.3050001@camerontech.com> <4661C402.3060609@rugmonster.org> <466252BE.6020106@camerontech.com> <46639997.9080808@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: On 6/3/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > I'm just sick of all of the FUD that seems to drive this industry. There > is always an undercurrent of doom and gloom when you (the collective > you) start talking about business and F/OSS. I'm sorry guy, I wish life was different for you. But the reality of it is that Microsoft would not be still in business if they weren't the best in the world at creating FUD. That's a simple fact of life that you and I and everyone else just have to live with -- despite all our desires to the contrary, there is absolutely nothing that you or I or anyone else can do to stop them. > There were then and still are significant roadblocks besides FUD that > are affecting the commercial uptake of Linux and F/OSS as a whole. As > more people offer enterprise support ala Red Hat, Novell, and now > Ubuntu, you will see businesses becoming more interested and less afraid > in it. Is Ubuntu offering the enterprise support, or is that Dell? Frankly, I don't see that Ubuntu owns any of their underlying infrastructure, so they are inherently limited in this area. The Red Hat & Novell folks have made sure that they own everything they possibly can, all the way down to the kernel, so they have at least some control over their destiny -- and some ability to actually make a reasonable profit when trying to provide enterprise support to businesses. If the Debian folks were to decide one day that they wanted to pull the rug out from underneath Ubuntu, there's not much that Mark Shuttleworth or anyone else in that camp could do to stop them. So long as you base your product on a product created by someone else, then you give them a great deal of control over what you can do with your product. > There is also the fact that the talent pool of qualified folks that can > provide in-house support is relatively small. That's true for any and all OSes, regardless of who created or supports them. > ....because they have Windows on their computers at home. Not Linux, not > *BSD, not Solaris, and most don't even have OS X. Of course there are > exceptions, but by and far, all they see and know is Windows and they > have little interest (right now) about anything else. True enough, but I don't see that situation changing any time soon. And executives are risk-averse enough when it comes to things like being sued or criminal charges filed against them that all it takes is a little FUD from Microsoft in the right place, to keep these sheeple in place for a very long time. >> It doesn't really matter. The US or Europe, either way this kind of law >> suit is hugely damaging, win or lose. > > There are more places in the world besides the US and Europe. Canonical > is based in South Africa after all. Also, I didn't think you could > patent software in most of Europe (yet). As Thomas said, it doesn't matter where the lawsuit happens. It will happen, sooner or later, in one jurisdiction or another. And there will be massive amounts of FUD created and damage done to our community, even if the only thing that happens is that Microsoft ends up pissing away a few hundred million dollars by funding yet another SCO -- only to give them up to the wolves once the dust has settled. > Expect it and begin prepping your arguments > to counter the FUD. The tone of this thread has the tone of a lot of > Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt and it sounds like we've already started to > play into it. The problem is that we need a little help from the Dells of the world. We need them to make sound business decisions with awareness of these factors, and not just choose the latest shiny-shiny thing and run with it. When companies like Dell play directly into the hands of companies like Microsoft, there's very little that us Lilliputians can do to try and stop or redirect the Brobdingnagian competitors. > That stuff has been there for a long time, just like there have been > non-free repositories for Debian for years, and third party repositories > with this stuff available all along. And people