From gwillden at gmail.com Tue May 1 08:29:25 2007 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Tue May 1 08:29:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] outlook client ? In-Reply-To: <4636B887.2070505@satx.rr.com> References: <46360DEA.10807@accd.edu> <4636B887.2070505@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <345e55a50705010629k7276af89sf8497ee024670b45@mail.gmail.com> We have Exchange with the Outlook Web interface here at work. The web interface works in Firefox but it is not the same interface you get when you use IE. I just use Thunderbird and deal with not accessing the shared calendar in the same way as everyone else. Greg On 4/30/07, Alan L. Lesmerises wrote: > My wife used to work for SAISD, & they used the web access Outlook. Based on what I saw, I would think it should work for most any operating system since it's being run through a web browser. > > Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > > May 14 accd is moving to MS Exchange server and Microsoft Outlook Web > > Access for all students and staff with the staff having access also from > > Outlook Desktop. Since they will have the shared calendar available and > > most likely mandatory for faculty , is there an solution for Linux > > users. I'm aware of evolution but since outlook was never a product > > I used I never researched it. What Linux products should I begin > > researching. I really don't want to have to bring up my virtual XP os to > > get accd mail daily but for four years I can fake it with vmware. > > > > Books, articles, web page recommendations appreciated. > > > > Thanks, Boz > > // > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From siffland at nerdshack.com Tue May 1 10:18:37 2007 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Tue May 1 10:18:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] System Inventory In-Reply-To: <99af515b0704300803y1ac7e17ascae55e79d7e16668@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ea252fb0704300744r3a36dcafi9f8aba60c2b016@mail.gmail.com> <99af515b0704300803y1ac7e17ascae55e79d7e16668@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00705010818w435dae5eg2efb9a47761fa72c@mail.gmail.com> I have used cfg2html, it works on HP-UX and Linux, not sure about Solaris or aix (says aix is supported) http://www.cfg2html.com/ we ran it and just presented the html pages on a share for the sys admin's, not sure if it all what you are looking for but it polls a ton of information, plus it is free. Sean From siffland at nerdshack.com Tue May 1 13:33:23 2007 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Tue May 1 13:33:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] RHEL4 License Key Message-ID: <3ae131d00705011133j3ad23c30s78aa7c0a6065e4b1@mail.gmail.com> I need a bit of help, I am deploying RHEL ES Version4 on 8 identical Blade servers. They want me to install on one, lock it down and get it ready and then use mondorescue to clone it on the other 7 blades (pretty much just change name and IP the rest of the systems remain identical). All that is easy except I do not know how to change the license (I do not usually use RHEL). I have all 8 keys that came with the software (8 copies of RHEL ES 4) but is there a redhat tool that allows you to change it so they can all connect to the rhn? Thanks Sean From chmims at gmail.com Tue May 1 13:36:38 2007 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Tue May 1 13:37:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] outlook client ? In-Reply-To: <4636B887.2070505@satx.rr.com> References: <46360DEA.10807@accd.edu> <4636B887.2070505@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580705011136s6c6c4f34v1c3237d345228df8@mail.gmail.com> I have used just such. Web Outlook will work with most any browser. I have personally used it with Linux and Firefox, and OS X and Safari. I was able with Citrix to connect directly to the mail server and by pass the browser. On 4/30/07, Alan L. Lesmerises wrote: > > My wife used to work for SAISD, & they used the web access Outlook. Based > on what I saw, I would think it should work for most any operating system > since it's being run through a web browser. > > Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > > May 14 accd is moving to MS Exchange server and Microsoft Outlook Web > > Access for all students and staff with the staff having access also from > > Outlook Desktop. Since they will have the shared calendar available and > > most likely mandatory for faculty , is there an solution for Linux > > users. I'm aware of evolution but since outlook was never a product > > I used I never researched it. What Linux products should I begin > > researching. I really don't want to have to bring up my virtual XP os to > > get accd mail daily but for four years I can fake it with vmware. > > > > Books, articles, web page recommendations appreciated. > > > > Thanks, Boz > > // > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tameika.reed at rackspace.com Tue May 1 13:42:30 2007 From: tameika.reed at rackspace.com (Tameika Reed) Date: Tue May 1 13:43:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] RHEL4 License Key In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00705011133j3ad23c30s78aa7c0a6065e4b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00705011133j3ad23c30s78aa7c0a6065e4b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <240FE6D667B3AC4AB1C05C4CDB64DEB2020D42D7@SAT4MX03.RACKSPACE.CORP> Actually to change the license information is you can run something similar to the following: Activate your system with the following command: rhnreg_ks --activationkey=key information here If your system has already been registered with another key, or via Red Hat's RHN server, you may have to add the --force flag to the command: rhnreg_ks --force --activationkey=key information here I guess you could create a script out this if necessary. Use ssh and get the hostname, run the command, and logout. Hope this helps, Tameika -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Sean I Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:33 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] RHEL4 License Key I need a bit of help, I am deploying RHEL ES Version4 on 8 identical Blade servers. They want me to install on one, lock it down and get it ready and then use mondorescue to clone it on the other 7 blades (pretty much just change name and IP the rest of the systems remain identical). All that is easy except I do not know how to change the license (I do not usually use RHEL). I have all 8 keys that came with the software (8 copies of RHEL ES 4) but is there a redhat tool that allows you to change it so they can all connect to the rhn? 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From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue May 1 17:23:59 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue May 1 17:24:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents Message-ID: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> I'm a little surprised that no one has brought up the topic of patents today or yesterday. For those that don't know, there was a *huge* decision by the Supreme Court yesterday that has tremendous impact of software and "business methods". The decision was "KSR INTERNATIONAL CO., PETITIONER v. TELEFLEX INC. Et Al." and had to do with pedals that adjust in autos. The court basically said in a unanimous opinion that "obvious" things can't be patented. http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/06pdf/04-1350.pdf Well that should be obvious too, but the patent appeals court had broken the system about 18 years ago and it is finally getting fixed in a fit of common sense. Some of my favorite quotes: "The obviousness analysis cannot be confined by a formalistic conception of the words teaching, suggestion, and motivation, or by overemphasis on the importance of published articles and the explicit content of issued patents." "One of the ways in which a patent?s subject matter can be proved obvious is by noting that there existed at the time of invention a known problem for which there was an obvious solution encompassed by the patent?s claims." -- Well Duh. "For over a half century, the Court has held that a 'patent for a combination which only unites old elements with no change in their respective functions . . . obviously withdraws what is already known into the field of its monopoly and diminishes the resources available to skillful men.' This is a principal reason for declining to allow patents for what is obvious." "When a work is available in one field of endeavor, design incentives and other market forces can prompt variations of it, either in the same field or a different one. If a person of ordinary skill can implement a predictable variation, ?103 likely bars its patentability. For the same reason, if a technique has been used to improve one device, and a person of ordinary skill in the art would recognize that it would improve similar devices in the same way, using the technique is obvious unless its actual application is beyond his or her skill." "As our precedents make clear, however, the analysis need not seek out precise teachings directed to the specific subject matter of the challenged claim, for a court can take account of the inferences and creative steps that a person of ordinary skill in the art would employ." "Granting patent protection to advances that would occur in the ordinary course without real innovation retards progress and may, in the case of patents combining previously known elements, deprive prior inventions of their value or utility." "Common sense teaches, however, that familiar items may have obvious uses beyond their primary purposes, and in many cases a person of ordinary skill will be able to fit the teachings of multiple patents together like pieces of a puzzle." "When there is a design need or market pressure to solve a problem and there are a finite number of identified, predictable solutions, a person of ordinary skill has good reason to pursue the known options within his or her technical grasp. If this leads to the anticipated success, it is likely the product not of innovation but of ordinary skill and common sense. In that instance the fact that a combination was obvious to try might show that it was obvious under ?103." "We build and create by bringing to the tangible and palpable reality around us new works based on instinct, simple logic, ordinary inferences, extraordinary ideas, and sometimes even genius. These advances, once part of our shared knowledge, define a new threshold from which innovation starts once more. And as progress beginning from higher levels of achievement is expected in the normal course, the results of ordinary innovation are not the subject of exclusive rights under the patent laws. Were it otherwise patents might stifle, rather than promote, the progress of useful arts. See U. S. Const., Art. I, ?8, cl. 8." Wow. What a set of statements. An attack of good judgement. I think we will see a dramatic slowdown of 'obvious' patents now. The Amazon 1-click patent is dead. -- Bruce From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Tue May 1 18:20:57 2007 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan L. Lesmerises) Date: Tue May 1 18:21:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell announcement Message-ID: <4637CB59.8020207@satx.rr.com> In case you hadn't heard yet, Dell apparently made an official announcement that they would be offering Ubuntu-equipped desktops & laptops. See related articles at: http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1115910035 From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Tue May 1 18:30:19 2007 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan L. Lesmerises) Date: Tue May 1 18:30:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Another example of skewed MS thinking Message-ID: <4637CD8B.4060001@satx.rr.com> You might want to check out this article about security issues in Vista and Microsoft's responses: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2114587,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03129TX1K0000625 One point I thought was very interesting is that an independent anti-virus testing group compared 17 different software packages, and they said: "Alone among the products tested, Microsoft's Windows Live OneCare did not qualify for certification; in fact, it did not even reach the levels required for participation in future tests." If Microsoft can't even build a decent dedicated anti-virus package for the operating system they developed, even when you're paying extra for it, how can anyone expect to be adequately protected through the patches & updates they're providing for free? From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue May 1 22:12:47 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Tue May 1 23:13:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 01 May 2007 17:23, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I think we will see a dramatic slowdown of 'obvious' patents now. The > Amazon 1-click patent is dead. Cool.. MS ammo seriously drained too. Tweeks From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Wed May 2 07:19:56 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Wed May 2 07:20:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell announcement In-Reply-To: <4637CB59.8020207@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <807957.36056.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not surprised sense Michael Dell uses Ubuntu 7.04 on his laptop. "Alan L. Lesmerises" wrote: In case you hadn't heard yet, Dell apparently made an official announcement that they would be offering Ubuntu-equipped desktops & laptops. See related articles at: http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1115910035 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From scarolan at gmail.com Wed May 2 08:00:09 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed May 2 08:00:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell announcement In-Reply-To: <807957.36056.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4637CB59.8020207@satx.rr.com> <807957.36056.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705020600x76c6139cu9b4d185ee602dc91@mail.gmail.com> This is fantastic news. I am going to recommend friends and family to purchase Dell computers with Ubuntu pre-loaded. Hopefully Dell can help Linux gain enough market share to force software vendors to take notice. Yesterday I installed Feisty Fawn on an older Dell Pentium 4 box with an Intel on-board graphics card, and everything works, even the compiz eye-candy, without any extra tweaking. On 5/2/07, Chris Lemire wrote: > I'm not surprised sense Michael Dell uses Ubuntu 7.04 on his laptop. > > "Alan L. Lesmerises" wrote: In case you hadn't heard yet, Dell apparently made an official announcement that they would be offering Ubuntu-equipped desktops & laptops. > > See related articles at: > > http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1115910035 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Wed May 2 12:01:23 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Wed May 2 11:59:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell announcement Message-ID: <4638c36c.3fd04bb8.5a48.3f82@mx.google.com> The only thing I have ever had to tweak on a dell when running linux is wifi. ::twistedpickles :: : From jtiner at satx.rr.com Wed May 2 11:25:39 2007 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Wed May 2 12:10:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen Message-ID: <1178123139.7281.4.camel@james-desktop> OK guys, this is off topic, but i'm sure that many of you remember my email pronouncing that i was no longer employed by Computer NERDZ! and some of you responded with your own horror stories of that particular company. Just so you know that the universe is sometimes fair in its karma department, here's a link to why Bruce Bowen is suing NERDZ! for what boils down to incompetence. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0501071bowen1.html From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 2 12:49:58 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 2 12:50:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <1178123139.7281.4.camel@james-desktop> References: <1178123139.7281.4.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <3090.192.62.88.55.1178128198.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > OK guys, this is off topic, but i'm sure that many of you remember my > email pronouncing that i was no longer employed by Computer NERDZ! and > some of you responded with your own horror stories of that particular > company. Just so you know that the universe is sometimes fair in its > karma department, here's a link to why Bruce Bowen is suing NERDZ! for > what boils down to incompetence. > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0501071bowen1.html Holy cow!! From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed May 2 12:52:04 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed May 2 12:52:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <1178123139.7281.4.camel@james-desktop> References: <1178123139.7281.4.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0705021052x29f40b66j51efbfa9b6ffdbd3@mail.gmail.com> I heard about this this morning on WOAI. He's sueing for $2 million because they resold his hard drive containing personal and financial information. On 5/2/07, James Tiner wrote: > OK guys, this is off topic, but i'm sure that many of you remember my > email pronouncing that i was no longer employed by Computer NERDZ! and > some of you responded with your own horror stories of that particular > company. Just so you know that the universe is sometimes fair in its > karma department, here's a link to why Bruce Bowen is suing NERDZ! for > what boils down to incompetence. > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0501071bowen1.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed May 2 12:55:15 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed May 2 12:55:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen Message-ID: <1d1c5adbde0b4071a9f1ee43ad42a016.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Hope Bowen prevails, what goes around comes around (sometimes). Incompetence, yes, but I'd also call it criminal, pretty sure Computer Nerdz received compensation for the alleged defective hard drive from the manufacturer. Very interesting to me, I know the defendant (L. Robin), a neighbor that used to be my paperboy, then Taco Bell, and then Computer Nerdz. From jtiner at satx.rr.com Wed May 2 19:29:09 2007 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Wed May 2 19:29:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <1d1c5adbde0b4071a9f1ee43ad42a016.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <1d1c5adbde0b4071a9f1ee43ad42a016.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <1178152149.8745.7.camel@james-desktop> well, they didn't receive compensation from the manufacturer, that I know. This all occured while I was working there and the story as I understand it was that they made a backup to another (new) drive while working on it. they then put the drive they used for backup back on the shelf and then sold it to the other lady. these kinds of things happen when you put a drug addict in charge of the bench (speed) and hire people into the corporate office who are drug addicts (heroine) and the owner and VP of the company smoke pot (in the case of the owner, L. Robin, who does so every day at about ten A.M. and most likely a second and third time during the day). On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 13:55 -0400, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Hope Bowen prevails, what goes around comes around > (sometimes). > > Incompetence, yes, but I'd also call it criminal, > pretty sure Computer Nerdz received compensation for > the alleged defective hard drive from the manufacturer. > > Very interesting to me, I know the defendant (L. > Robin), a neighbor that used to be my paperboy, then > Taco Bell, and then Computer Nerdz. > > > > > > From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed May 2 20:34:24 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed May 2 20:35:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <1178152149.8745.7.camel@james-desktop> References: <1d1c5adbde0b4071a9f1ee43ad42a016.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <1178152149.8745.7.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <46393C20.9080304@rugmonster.org> James Tiner wrote: > these kinds of things happen when you put a drug addict in charge of the > bench (speed) and hire people into the corporate office who are drug > addicts (heroine) and the owner and VP of the company smoke pot (in the > case of the owner, L. Robin, who does so every day at about ten A.M. and > most likely a second and third time during the day). Wow... you might want to be careful saying things such as this in a public forum else you could end up the defendant in a civil case of your own. See slander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel) From satlugacct at jchampion.com Wed May 2 22:22:06 2007 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed May 2 22:26:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <46393C20.9080304@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <003a01c78d32$4cf58af0$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Givens >>Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:34 PM >>To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >>Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen >> >>James Tiner wrote: >>> these kinds of things happen when you put a drug addict in charge of >>> the bench (speed) and hire people into the corporate office who are >>> drug addicts (heroine) and the owner and VP of the company smoke pot >>> (in the case of the owner, L. Robin, who does so every day at about >>> ten A.M. and most likely a second and third time during the day). >> >>Wow... you might want to be careful saying things such as this in a public forum else you could end up the defendant in a civil case of your own. See >> >>slander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel) Absolutely. Remember that these posts are visible via a Google search. You know I used to work with a hitch mechanic many years ago who couldn't do jack unless he was baked. He was so good wasted that senior management looked the otherway while he took smoke breaks in an adjacent facility. But that fact aside...go to Google and type in your email name. You'll be shocked at what you can find. From leon36 at gmail.com Wed May 2 23:00:22 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed May 2 23:00:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <003a01c78d32$4cf58af0$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> References: <003a01c78d32$4cf58af0$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <46395E56.9000400@gmail.com> John Champion wrote: > > > Absolutely. Remember that these posts are visible via a Google search. You > know I used to work with a hitch mechanic many years ago who couldn't do > jack unless he was baked. He was so good wasted that senior management > looked the otherway while he took smoke breaks in an adjacent facility. But > that fact aside...go to Google and type in your email name. You'll be > shocked at what you can find. > > A guy I knew once told me that he knew a sky crane operator that had really shaky hands. I don't know if it was Parkinson's or what. But apparently a couple of beers would fix him right up. What a life.... Sam From jtiner at satx.rr.com Wed May 2 23:03:09 2007 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Wed May 2 23:03:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <003a01c78d32$4cf58af0$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> References: <003a01c78d32$4cf58af0$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <1178164989.8745.12.camel@james-desktop> I agree except that it requires my statements to be false, which they aren't and that is easily proven. However, I must say that it was in bad taste that I wrote that post. For that I appologize and hope all the members of the list forgive me. On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 22:22 -0500, John Champion wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf Of Daniel J. Givens > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:34 PM > >>To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > >>Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen > >> > >>James Tiner wrote: > >>> these kinds of things happen when you put a drug addict in charge of > >>> the bench (speed) and hire people into the corporate office who are > >>> drug addicts (heroine) and the owner and VP of the company smoke pot > >>> (in the case of the owner, L. Robin, who does so every day at about > >>> ten A.M. and most likely a second and third time during the day). > >> > >>Wow... you might want to be careful saying things such as this in a public > forum else you could end up the defendant in a civil case of your own. See > >> > >>slander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel) > > Absolutely. Remember that these posts are visible via a Google search. You > know I used to work with a hitch mechanic many years ago who couldn't do > jack unless he was baked. He was so good wasted that senior management > looked the otherway while he took smoke breaks in an adjacent facility. But > that fact aside...go to Google and type in your email name. You'll be > shocked at what you can find. > From masterr at gmail.com Wed May 2 23:58:40 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed May 2 23:59:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell announcement In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705020600x76c6139cu9b4d185ee602dc91@mail.gmail.com> References: <4637CB59.8020207@satx.rr.com> <807957.36056.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <277020fc0705020600x76c6139cu9b4d185ee602dc91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410705022158l78810cg55a6ad9a19cf4baa@mail.gmail.com> I installed Feisty during the Beta on both my laptop and desktop. Very nice indeed. It is a very mature distro. The driver and codec installers are very nice features indeed and this, IMO, is probably the main reason for Dell choosing Ubuntu. (I had to restore my backup image of Edgy on my laptop, however, as the driver for my card reader is broken in fiesty for now. I'll re-upgrade after a fix is pushed through) On 5/2/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > This is fantastic news. I am going to recommend friends and family to > purchase Dell computers with Ubuntu pre-loaded. Hopefully Dell can > help Linux gain enough market share to force software vendors to take > notice. > > Yesterday I installed Feisty Fawn on an older Dell Pentium 4 box with > an Intel on-board graphics card, and everything works, even the compiz > eye-candy, without any extra tweaking. > > > > > On 5/2/07, Chris Lemire wrote: > > I'm not surprised sense Michael Dell uses Ubuntu 7.04 on his laptop. > > > > "Alan L. Lesmerises" wrote: In case you hadn't > heard yet, Dell apparently made an official announcement that they would be > offering Ubuntu-equipped desktops & laptops. > > > > See related articles at: > > > > http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1115910035 > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hector.bojorquez at gmail.com Thu May 3 06:47:45 2007 From: hector.bojorquez at gmail.com (Hector Bojorquez) Date: Thu May 3 06:48:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <2470980d0705030447j37116b66s8d528a615fab62b2@mail.gmail.com> just a question though... Was the mouse ever obvious...until it was created? Were GUIs? We're quick to jump on this because of MS... but ... it's worth more consideration... Certainly no the first wave created by Alan Kay, Doug Engelbart and their kind at PARC...they were so UN-obvious that when scores of CEOS were shown the stuff...they walked away completely unimpressed (their secretary wives on the other hand were totally impressed (this happened in the early 70s)---had they listened to their secretary wives--hah! we'd all be bitching about XEROX--- or maybe not... Smalltalk is still a very interesting cool little language compared to C++ or Java. Neither Alan Kay nor Doug Engelbart have received the accolades or money they deserve for what they have contributed... they continue to fall into obscurity...] Hah..any of you guys ever heard of J.C.R. Licklidder...google him.. Will this decision (I don't know..but it's worth thinking about) further turn the anonymous genius into an indistiguinshable footnote? Sometimes we need to look at things beyond our MS hating goggles On 5/1/07, tom weeks wrote: > On Tuesday 01 May 2007 17:23, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I think we will see a dramatic slowdown of 'obvious' patents now. The > > Amazon 1-click patent is dead. > > Cool.. MS ammo seriously drained too. > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu May 3 13:35:48 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu May 3 13:36:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <2470980d0705030447j37116b66s8d528a615fab62b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <2470980d0705030447j37116b66s8d528a615fab62b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <463A2B84.1010701@gmail.com> Hector Bojorquez wrote: > just a question though... > Was the mouse ever obvious...until it was created? Were GUIs? > We're quick to jump on this because of MS... but ... it's worth more > consideration... Lets talk about the mouse. It was first designed in 1963(!) by Doug Englebart. By the way, this was quite a bit pre-PARC. Obviously any patent (I don't think there was one) wold have expired around 1980 or so. He was a researcher. Once the idea of a mouse with a button attached is invented, is it a new idea worth patenting to add a second button? If we have a trackball and a mouse, is it innovative to put a scroll wheel on a Mouse? How about a slider? How about combining a track ball and a keyboard? Under the overturned ideas of the patent appeals court, they would be patentable, but they seem pretty obvious combinations of prior technology. The point is that combining known techniques that someone "skilled in the art" would utilize to solve a problem should not be allowed: "These advances, once part of our shared knowledge, define a new threshold from which innovation starts once more. And as progress beginning from higher levels of achievement is expected in the normal course, the results of ordinary innovation are not the subject of exclusive rights under the patent laws. Were it otherwise patents might stifle, rather than promote, the progress of useful arts. See U. S. Const., Art. I, ?8, cl. 8." -- Bruce From siffland at nerdshack.com Thu May 3 13:57:51 2007 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Thu May 3 13:58:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT--DRM sux Message-ID: <3ae131d00705031157t6b2ad4e6v46fa5a634ea443a2@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I might get in trouble for posting a pic if it goes though but this one is worth it. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu May 3 14:05:56 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu May 3 14:06:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT--DRM sux In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00705031157t6b2ad4e6v46fa5a634ea443a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <448614.13424.qm@web55615.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I dont want to say the N00bie word...so I wont.. attach a url to the actual image, host it on imageshack or something.. lol --- Sean I wrote: > Yeah I might get in trouble for posting a pic if it > goes though but this one > is worth it. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu May 3 14:35:42 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu May 3 14:36:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT--DRM sux In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00705031157t6b2ad4e6v46fa5a634ea443a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00705031157t6b2ad4e6v46fa5a634ea443a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <509e3616b6439bb94d0e2c5815080571@rugmonster.org> On Thu, 3 May 2007 13:57:51 -0500, "Sean I" wrote: > I can't read your gmail. :P From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri May 4 04:28:57 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri May 4 04:29:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] More spam Message-ID: <463AFCD9.8010006@gmail.com> I was just checking the SATLUG site and found that the topics page was spammed again. I removed it and have instituted a new procedure so only members who have a SATLUG mailman email address/password can add new topics. Anyone can still vote for a topic. -- Bruce From hector.bojorquez at gmail.com Fri May 4 07:06:05 2007 From: hector.bojorquez at gmail.com (Hector Bojorquez) Date: Fri May 4 07:06:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <463A2B84.1010701@gmail.com> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <2470980d0705030447j37116b66s8d528a615fab62b2@mail.gmail.com> <463A2B84.1010701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2470980d0705040506q7e68973cs2f7e42c576bd7917@mail.gmail.com> Doug Engelbart is one of my personal heroes (more than Stallman...who I admire greatly but who borders on zealotry-- he wouldn't allow videos of himself to be posted on youtube because they use a proprietary technology..flash--- sorry that's just dumb....further spreading his message is far more important than protesting the use of .swfs ... I can't respect that) I've posted this before..but the power of Engelbart's vision still amazes me http://sloan.stanford.edu/mousesite/1968Demo.html I agree .. the Amazon one-click... not worthy of a patent... My dad has a "Hector one-match approach" to lighting barbecue fires--- As much as it amazes friends and family...a patent... hmm.... no.. As far as extra buttons on the mouse. (which by the way Engelbart had foreseen with an extra 3 button keyboard), they were designed in reponse to or in conjuction with software.... Who really uses 3 button mice anymore? They were , if I remember correctly (I may not), heavily used in CADs. So you're correct... I'm not sure that a slider or an extra button is worth patenting any more than an extra button on my ipod... BUT... if the innovation fundamentally changes the nature of the device...like an optical mouse, OR a pointing device that is not driven by the hand but by eye movements, or by brain waves... then those new "mice" are worthy of a patent. or if the innovation changes or adds to the functionality of the device far beyond the original intent--- such as a mouse that pumps caffeine DIRECTLY into my system through my skin... well that certainly deserves a pattern (as well as my undying loyalty) I haven't decided what I think of this particular decision... but I've seen enough protection of big-business by this court not to wonder what precedents they may be setting in place that may screw over the little guy. As far as Engelbart.. .I keep wondering who out there is doing that kind of lonely visionary work... neither Engelbart nor Licklidder were mentioned in Hackers or in Fire in the Valley--- because neither really fit into the scope of those "pop" personnas--- Engelbart is a researcher/designer/visionary Hell he came up with the idea for linked documents (AND came up with a working version) LONG before the development of http. Engelbart truly trusts human potential... which is what makes him much more interesting in my book... he foresaw the power of people working together through technology and trusted that people would use it for a greater good... The only person ( I know of) who is doing interesting work like that is Ray Kurzweil--- although he is much more of an entrepeneur than he is a researcher... On 5/3/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Hector Bojorquez wrote: > > just a question though... > > Was the mouse ever obvious...until it was created? Were GUIs? > > We're quick to jump on this because of MS... but ... it's worth more > > consideration... > > Lets talk about the mouse. It was first designed in 1963(!) by Doug > Englebart. By the way, this was quite a bit pre-PARC. Obviously any > patent (I don't think there was one) wold have expired around 1980 or > so. He was a researcher. Once the idea of a mouse with a button > attached is invented, is it a new idea worth patenting to add a second > button? If we have a trackball and a mouse, is it innovative to put a > scroll wheel on a Mouse? How about a slider? > > How about combining a track ball and a keyboard? > > Under the overturned ideas of the patent appeals court, they would be > patentable, but they seem pretty obvious combinations of prior technology. > > The point is that combining known techniques that someone "skilled in > the art" would utilize to solve a problem should not be allowed: > > "These advances, once part of our shared knowledge, define a new > threshold from > which innovation starts once more. And as progress beginning from higher > levels of achievement is expected in the normal course, the results of > ordinary innovation are not the subject of exclusive rights under the > patent laws. Were it otherwise patents might stifle, rather than > promote, the progress of useful arts. See U. S. Const., Art. I, ?8, cl. 8." > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From emcm at stic.net Fri May 4 11:29:43 2007 From: emcm at stic.net (Terry) Date: Fri May 4 11:30:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Anyone have a wood lathe I can come over and use? References: <200704180147.29429.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <008301c78e69$78994790$32c95a42@TMDELLXP> Probably too late and would take considerable effort to get to it ( a "Shopsmith") in the back of my garage. Terry McFadin Pho. 210-340-4056 Fax. 210-340-4087 emcm@stic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom weeks" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:47 AM Subject: [SATLUG] Anyone have a wood lathe I can come over and use? > I need to lathe a soft wood (bass wood) nose code for a rocket.. > > Anyone have a wood lathe I can come over to use? > Email me off list.. Thanx.. > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri May 4 12:03:45 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri May 4 12:04:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <2470980d0705040506q7e68973cs2f7e42c576bd7917@mail.gmail.com> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <2470980d0705030447j37116b66s8d528a615fab62b2@mail.gmail.com> <463A2B84.1010701@gmail.com> <2470980d0705040506q7e68973cs2f7e42c576bd7917@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> Hector Bojorquez wrote: > I've posted this before..but the power of Engelbart's vision still > amazes me > http://sloan.stanford.edu/mousesite/1968Demo.html I agree. I first saw this in 1991. > Who really uses 3 button mice anymore? I do. The middle button is very important for pasting in the command line environment. I ordered mice without scroll wheels and with three buttons explicitly for the Linux/Unix classes at SAC. IMO, if you are doing a lot of coding or other command line operations, the scroll wheel gets in the way. > BUT... if the innovation fundamentally changes the nature of the > device...like an optical mouse, OR a pointing device that is not > driven by the hand but by eye movements, or by brain waves... then > those new "mice" are worthy of a patent. Perhaps. It depends if the technology is new or not. If it exists in another context, then applying it to a mouse may or may not be obvious. > I haven't decided what I think of this particular decision... > but I've seen enough protection of big-business by this court not to > wonder what precedents they may be setting in place that may screw > over the little guy. It is not screwing over the little guy. It is liberating him. The ones who can afford the costs of a patent are the big guys. They have been patenting minor tweaks that are obvious to extend the monopoly protection of a patent for a long time. > As far as Engelbart.. .I keep wondering who out there is doing that > kind of lonely visionary work... neither Engelbart nor Licklidder were > mentioned in Hackers or in Fire in the Valley--- because neither > really fit into the scope of those "pop" personnas--- Engelbart is a > researcher/designer/visionary > Hell he came up with the idea for linked documents (AND came up with a > working version) LONG before the development of http. Ah, no. The idea was from Vannevar Bush in Alantic Monthly in 1945! http://www.ibiblio.org/pjones/bush/bush.html Now that was visionary! I do think that Englebart did do the first implementation. Overall, I think we are in much more agreement than disagreement. The patent system was envisioned by the writers of the Constitution as something to reward the hard work of developing new processes and techniques in a non-trivial manner. As the Supreme Court said, they did this "To promote the progress of science and useful arts". Allowing trivial patents hinders progress rather than promoting it. There will always be edge cases about what is sufficiently innovative, but that is what courts are for. Unfortunately, the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (the one that oversees patents), went off track and was not applying what most people would consider common sense. The Supreme Court said that they must consider all inputs when deciding obviousness and not a rigid, narrow rule they came up with to make their job easier. -- Bruce From hector.bojorquez at gmail.com Fri May 4 12:09:13 2007 From: hector.bojorquez at gmail.com (Hector Bojorquez) Date: Fri May 4 12:09:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <2470980d0705030447j37116b66s8d528a615fab62b2@mail.gmail.com> <463A2B84.1010701@gmail.com> <2470980d0705040506q7e68973cs2f7e42c576bd7917@mail.gmail.com> <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2470980d0705041009m9753796ga7a9049f7334f801@mail.gmail.com> Doh..Vannevar Bush... this is true.. Librarians (of whom I know plenty) always remind me of him.... On 5/4/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Hector Bojorquez wrote: > > > I've posted this before..but the power of Engelbart's vision still > > amazes me > > http://sloan.stanford.edu/mousesite/1968Demo.html > > I agree. I first saw this in 1991. > > > Who really uses 3 button mice anymore? > > I do. The middle button is very important for pasting in the command > line environment. I ordered mice without scroll wheels and with three > buttons explicitly for the Linux/Unix classes at SAC. IMO, if you are > doing a lot of coding or other command line operations, the scroll wheel > gets in the way. > > > BUT... if the innovation fundamentally changes the nature of the > > device...like an optical mouse, OR a pointing device that is not > > driven by the hand but by eye movements, or by brain waves... then > > those new "mice" are worthy of a patent. > > Perhaps. It depends if the technology is new or not. If it exists in > another context, then applying it to a mouse may or may not be obvious. > > > I haven't decided what I think of this particular decision... > > but I've seen enough protection of big-business by this court not to > > wonder what precedents they may be setting in place that may screw > > over the little guy. > > It is not screwing over the little guy. It is liberating him. The ones > who can afford the costs of a patent are the big guys. They have been > patenting minor tweaks that are obvious to extend the monopoly > protection of a patent for a long time. > > > As far as Engelbart.. .I keep wondering who out there is doing that > > kind of lonely visionary work... neither Engelbart nor Licklidder were > > mentioned in Hackers or in Fire in the Valley--- because neither > > really fit into the scope of those "pop" personnas--- Engelbart is a > > researcher/designer/visionary > > Hell he came up with the idea for linked documents (AND came up with a > > working version) LONG before the development of http. > > Ah, no. The idea was from Vannevar Bush in Alantic Monthly in 1945! > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pjones/bush/bush.html > > Now that was visionary! I do think that Englebart did do the first > implementation. > > Overall, I think we are in much more agreement than disagreement. The > patent system was envisioned by the writers of the Constitution as > something to reward the hard work of developing new processes and > techniques in a non-trivial manner. As the Supreme Court said, they did > this "To promote the progress of science and useful arts". Allowing > trivial patents hinders progress rather than promoting it. > > There will always be edge cases about what is sufficiently innovative, > but that is what courts are for. Unfortunately, the Court of Appeals > for the Federal Circuit (the one that oversees patents), went off track > and was not applying what most people would consider common sense. The > Supreme Court said that they must consider all inputs when deciding > obviousness and not a rigid, narrow rule they came up with to make their > job easier. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From h_oudini at hotmail.com Fri May 4 12:14:29 2007 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Fri May 4 12:14:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents Message-ID: Bruce Dubbs wrote: >I do. The middle button is very important for pasting in the command >line environment. I ordered mice without scroll wheels and with three >buttons explicitly for the Linux/Unix classes at SAC. IMO, if you are >doing a lot of coding or other command line operations, the scroll wheel >gets in the way. > > I, too, am a huge "fan" of the middle button, but you don't to eschew the scroll wheel! All the mice I have used integrate the scroll wheel and a middle button. In other words, I can scroll with the wheel and then press down on the wheel to get a middle button. -Kase _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri May 4 12:37:00 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri May 4 12:37:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463B6F3C.7090602@gmail.com> Kase Saylor wrote: > I, too, am a huge "fan" of the middle button, but you don't to eschew > the scroll wheel! All the mice I have used integrate the scroll wheel > and a middle button. True, but I don't like like the 'feel'. Personal preference. Finding a 3-button mouse without a scroll wheel in a store is hard, but its wasy on the net. And they're cheap $2 to $4 is common. -- Bruce From sean.crandall at ieee.org Fri May 4 13:44:29 2007 From: sean.crandall at ieee.org (Sean Crandall) Date: Fri May 4 13:44:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <2470980d0705030447j37116b66s8d528a615fab62b2@mail.gmail.com> <463A2B84.1010701@gmail.com> <2470980d0705040506q7e68973cs2f7e42c576bd7917@mail.gmail.com> <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <436b9fd50705041144v6657f5d7qec2ebac259b70eaa@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > BUT... if the innovation fundamentally changes the nature of the > > device...like an optical mouse, OR a pointing device that is not > > driven by the hand but by eye movements, or by brain waves... then > > those new "mice" are worthy of a patent. > > Perhaps. It depends if the technology is new or not. If it exists in > another context, then applying it to a mouse may or may not be obvious. > > I haven't decided what I think of this particular decision... > > but I've seen enough protection of big-business by this court not to > > wonder what precedents they may be setting in place that may screw > > over the little guy. > > It is not screwing over the little guy. It is liberating him. The ones > who can afford the costs of a patent are the big guys. They have been > patenting minor tweaks that are obvious to extend the monopoly > protection of a patent for a long time. I mostly just lurk on this list because there are other people on here much smarter than I (particularly in the context of Linux), but I do have a couple of things to throw into this discussion. As to obviousness, one of the major problems this decision addresses is so-called "combination" patents. The simple example is the pencil and eraser. Given the existence of a pencil and eraser, is is a patentable "invention" to attach an eraser to a pencil, assuming it has never been done before? The Supreme Court used to say "No," because this accomplishes no new or better result. Both implements do exactly what they did before---they're just spatially closer to each other. Then there was some discussion in the Federal Circuit about this creating a new criterion for patentability contrary to the statutory language, and the CAFC abandoned the combination concept for the "suggestion" test at issue in Teleflex. This paved the way for lots of obvious patents, which in turn contributed to the problem of patent "trolls" (I recently wrote a Law Review comment on this topic that now has a zero probability of getting published thanks to this decision). Whatever your political opinion of this Court, I can opine without reservation that this was the right thing. In this case, almost everybody's interests were aligned. Bad patents are bad for business, whether you are Microsoft or Joe's Local Computer Shop (incidentally, the Court decided another patent case the same day, and Microsoft won that one, but it was on a totally unrelated issue dealing with exports and it was against AT&T---Kase, if you're still reading this thread, I think it was on that speech stuff you used for your Senior Design project). The only people who benefit from bad patents are patent trolls. This was a huge setback for them. > Overall, I think we are in much more agreement than disagreement. The > patent system was envisioned by the writers of the Constitution as > something to reward the hard work of developing new processes and > techniques in a non-trivial manner. As the Supreme Court said, they did > this "To promote the progress of science and useful arts". Allowing > trivial patents hinders progress rather than promoting it. I will take issue with one thing that seems like a technicality, but it is a common and fundamental misunderstanding. Patents are not intended to be a retroactive reward. That would imply that they are somehow a natural right. They are a prospective motivation. We grant them not because you deserve it naturally, but because there may be some innovation that you can dream up that we may not get unless we entice you with a monopoly that would otherwise be very undesirable. You can be very clever and work really hard, but you still cannot (and should not) get a patent if what you come up with is something we already had access to. That's why a patent can be defeated by showing, for example, that some guy in Italy published your invention the day before you invented it in an obscure Italian trade journal that you've never seen and couldn't read. -- Sean Crandall Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number 'e'. From luis at luisgarza.com Fri May 4 14:38:26 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Fri May 4 14:46:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> <200705012212.47806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <2470980d0705030447j37116b66s8d528a615fab62b2@mail.gmail.com> <463A2B84.1010701@gmail.com> <2470980d0705040506q7e68973cs2f7e42c576bd7917@mail.gmail.com> <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1902.192.168.2.1.1178307506.squirrel@luisgarza.com> I remember working for ATT in 1989 and at the New Jersey facility, I saw their first mice attached to terminals they were about to throw away. I was amazed at the size and weight of these monster terminals with these ugly 3 button mice. They looked like half of a tennis ball with 3 keys from an old keyboard attached. They had the post and springs and stood high. These old ATT terminals were from the 1970's for use with the XEROX systems. I felt honored and sad that the same time; helping them load these windowing forefathers to the scrap heap. I can actually say that I held one in my hand. Thank you XEROX - what a great idea. Luis Garza www.luisgarza.com luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From luis at luisgarza.com Fri May 4 14:55:17 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Fri May 4 15:03:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th Message-ID: <2048.192.168.2.1.1178308517.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Hello everyone, The Austin Linux users group is having their meeting at the same time as ours. After much consideration, I have decided to attend their meeting on Metasploit. As my professors at SAC know, I have written a paper on the use of Metasploit. It is a great tool for checking for exploits on your system. I feel that many hackers may use this tool to gain access to your windows pc and install irc bots on them. They turn these pc's into zombies to launch spam emails. I feel that it is good to learn the tools of the hackers in order to learn how to prevent them from hacking your system. I apologize for not attending our own meeting and hope to either get their speaker to present at our Linux users group or I will present on what I have seen. If anyone else is interested in attending their meeting, check out the link: http://austinlug.org/node/175 Luis Garza www.luisgarza.com luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Fri May 4 16:11:42 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri May 4 16:12:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem Message-ID: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> Maybe someone can help me figure this out. I have three machines, let's call them apple, banana and cherry. Apple is my workstation, banana is a box that I can SSH to, and cherry is only available from banana. If I run these commands everything works fine: $ ssh -L 2022:cherry:22 banana $ ssh localhost -p 2022 And I get immediately connected to cherry with no problem. When I try to put these settings into my ~/.ssh/config file I get this error on the client: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host And this error on the server: channel 47: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed Here is a copy of my ~/.ssh/config file: **************** Host banana Hostname banana.full.domain.name LocalForward 21031 cherry.full.domain.name:22 Host cherry Hostname localhost Port 21031 HostKeyAlias cherry *************** What's really frustrating is that the config file works fine for some hosts, but not for others. There are about six problem hosts on my network that are not allowing the local port forwarding. Any suggestions??? From scs at worldlinkisp.com Fri May 4 17:04:08 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Fri May 4 17:04:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th Message-ID: Subject : RE: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th I have decided to attend their meeting on Metasploit. As my professors at SAC know, I have written a paper on the use of Metasploit. < snip > or I will present on what I have seen. ------------------------------ A video camera would be nice to take along and tape it. From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 4 17:26:42 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 4 17:28:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/4/07, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > A video camera would be nice to take along and tape it. We'll have to check with the presenter to see if that's okay. If so, I'm planning on being there, and I should be able to bring along my video camera, and I would hope that others could do the same. Once we've got the video captured, it would be easy enough to sit down with a video editing program (I've got iMovie HD) and edit that, then upload to something like YouTube. But this all depends on how the speaker feels about that. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Fri May 4 17:40:49 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Fri May 4 17:41:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th In-Reply-To: <2048.192.168.2.1.1178308517.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <850809.95697.qm@web38109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would love to go, but do all of the local lug meetings have to be during the week of final exams for college students? Couldn't the meetings be postponed for a week? I think so of the professors at San Antonio College who come to the SATLUG meetings would rather come after the week of final exams too. Luis Garza wrote: Hello everyone, The Austin Linux users group is having their meeting at the same time as ours. After much consideration, I have decided to attend their meeting on Metasploit. As my professors at SAC know, I have written a paper on the use of Metasploit. It is a great tool for checking for exploits on your system. I feel that many hackers may use this tool to gain access to your windows pc and install irc bots on them. They turn these pc's into zombies to launch spam emails. I feel that it is good to learn the tools of the hackers in order to learn how to prevent them from hacking your system. I apologize for not attending our own meeting and hope to either get their speaker to present at our Linux users group or I will present on what I have seen. If anyone else is interested in attending their meeting, check out the link: http://austinlug.org/node/175 Luis Garza www.luisgarza.com luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 4 18:10:28 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 4 18:21:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th In-Reply-To: <850809.95697.qm@web38109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <850809.95697.qm@web38109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/4/07, Chris Lemire wrote: > I would love to go, but do all of the local lug meetings have to be during > the week of final exams for college students? Couldn't the meetings be > postponed for a week? I think so of the professors at San Antonio College > who come to the SATLUG meetings would rather come after the week of final > exams too. Most user groups have a standard schedule for all their meetings (like "third thursday of the month"), and that's true for ALG, SATLUG, and every other Linux or or *nix-related group I've ever seen. Sometimes meetings happen that are in conflict with other things, like holidays, or in your case final exams. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From luis at luisgarza.com Fri May 4 19:58:26 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Fri May 4 20:06:28 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th In-Reply-To: References: <850809.95697.qm@web38109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2800.192.168.2.1.1178326706.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Those interested in going from San Antonio to Austin, please let me know. Maybe we can arrange a car caravan to Austin. Please let me know. Brad Knowles wrote: > On 5/4/07, Chris Lemire wrote: > >> I would love to go, but do all of the local lug meetings have to be >> during >> the week of final exams for college students? Couldn't the meetings be >> postponed for a week? I think so of the professors at San Antonio >> College >> who come to the SATLUG meetings would rather come after the week of >> final >> exams too. > > Most user groups have a standard schedule for all their meetings > (like "third thursday of the month"), and that's true for ALG, > SATLUG, and every other Linux or or *nix-related group I've ever seen. > > Sometimes meetings happen that are in conflict with other things, > like holidays, or in your case final exams. > > -- > Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author > LinkedIn Profile: > Slides from Invited Talks: > > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Luis Garza www.luisgarza.com luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Fri May 4 20:53:01 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Fri May 4 20:53:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th In-Reply-To: <2800.192.168.2.1.1178326706.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <20070505015301.72453.qmail@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is anyone interested in doing it a week later? I know all the students would be out of school and finished with their final exams. Luis Garza wrote: Those interested in going from San Antonio to Austin, please let me know. Maybe we can arrange a car caravan to Austin. Please let me know. Brad Knowles wrote: > On 5/4/07, Chris Lemire wrote: > >> I would love to go, but do all of the local lug meetings have to be >> during >> the week of final exams for college students? Couldn't the meetings be >> postponed for a week? I think so of the professors at San Antonio >> College >> who come to the SATLUG meetings would rather come after the week of >> final >> exams too. > > Most user groups have a standard schedule for all their meetings > (like "third thursday of the month"), and that's true for ALG, > SATLUG, and every other Linux or or *nix-related group I've ever seen. > > Sometimes meetings happen that are in conflict with other things, > like holidays, or in your case final exams. > > -- > Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author > LinkedIn Profile: > Slides from Invited Talks: > > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Luis Garza www.luisgarza.com luis@luisgarza.com lrgarza2000@yahoo.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri May 4 20:21:28 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Fri May 4 21:21:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Patents In-Reply-To: <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> References: <4637BDFF.8040207@gmail.com> <2470980d0705040506q7e68973cs2f7e42c576bd7917@mail.gmail.com> <463B6771.8090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705042021.28678.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 04 May 2007 12:03, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Hector Bojorquez wrote: > > I've posted this before..but the power of Engelbart's vision still > > amazes me > > http://sloan.stanford.edu/mousesite/1968Demo.html > > I agree. I first saw this in 1991. > > > Who really uses 3 button mice anymore? > > I do. The middle button is very important for pasting in the command > line environment. Ditto... err.. :) I really like the old marbleman with middle button. Tweeks From leon36 at gmail.com Fri May 4 21:39:24 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri May 4 21:39:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th In-Reply-To: <2800.192.168.2.1.1178326706.squirrel@luisgarza.com> References: <850809.95697.qm@web38109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2800.192.168.2.1.1178326706.squirrel@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <463BEE5C.8000403@gmail.com> Luis Garza wrote: > Those interested in going from San Antonio to Austin, please let me know. > Maybe we can arrange a car caravan to Austin. Please let me know. > > Brad Knowles wrote: > > I had never even heard of metasploit before. Sure, count me in! Sam From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri May 4 22:59:06 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri May 4 22:59:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <463C010A.5020502@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Sean Carolan wrote: > Maybe someone can help me figure this out. I have three machines, > let's call them apple, banana and cherry. Apple is my workstation, > banana is a box that I can SSH to, and cherry is only available from > banana. > > If I run these commands everything works fine: > > $ ssh -L 2022:cherry:22 banana > $ ssh localhost -p 2022 > > And I get immediately connected to cherry with no problem. > > When I try to put these settings into my ~/.ssh/config file I get this > error on the client: > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > And this error on the server: > channel 47: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed > > Here is a copy of my ~/.ssh/config file: > > **************** > Host banana > Hostname banana.full.domain.name > LocalForward 21031 cherry.full.domain.name:22 > > Host cherry > Hostname localhost > Port 21031 > HostKeyAlias cherry > *************** > > What's really frustrating is that the config file works fine for some > hosts, but not for others. There are about six problem hosts on my > network that are not allowing the local port forwarding. Any > suggestions??? Check the obvious? Permissions on the .ssh dir? Permissions on the files? Those usually get me :/ Ownership matters too. I didn't even know you could do things like you're talking about ;) - -- David Kowis www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRjwBCsnf+vRw63ObAQpQAgwAhsKJuS7sklWxZUgVm2P/mkNpw2EYQyBd 7dlokfDvAT9tDQdLRZYRBhlgAgReeswwl516YFWgES7LaY3yMUs+dap1Z7Umn2+K NB5wt0I3pzUarFRrF45Syt+EbovzXt1ehQyE+jG21EKhMxPXVUfOY0pR/UNSNK64 s89hcTTcesxXUlIqItFzK1uHkh5lRIkoIHq3r7op0nd/q12+lm7NIb5Ckgw6snKu 1b4k5BHEs8sIYXeNY+fqrSkof4yV8HumgVvbc+SM7Zx47ZKURLpG0OCoK67bFQOJ nsA9L4AfJ0tTmohLA/9RNzZ+0iyNd5N9qoltvuU1aYfgA7UfioVZ2JoqydzeO94x IV87iNt+1YMheFEQXuYXBGLTPWE5bHKd6ZzkQumKshcwzCWZn1ytzFo0ZrJhXFWW 3QUdV4QwtJ7mJlExAV8oUqDxOQZ+W1VkxoiNOcBPa4EVBy2Up5CGoGokPQ2FDT02 ZryAES6QZoKXbgi+891D7+TVOD4OkxqY =SsYF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 4 23:47:23 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat May 5 00:02:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th In-Reply-To: <20070505015301.72453.qmail@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070505015301.72453.qmail@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/4/07, Chris Lemire wrote: > Is anyone interested in doing it a week later? I know all the students > would be out of school and finished with their final exams. Talk to the speaker. ALG meets every week, and from what I've seen they don't tend to have any kind of official presentation most weeks, so I imagine they might be willing to host the same person doing the same talk for two weeks in a row. This talk seems to me to be something that the CACTUS folks might also be interested in, so I'll certainly talk to the speaker about coming to do the same talk for us. The speaker might also be willing to come down to San Antonio to do the same talk again. But I think that this has been pretty widely disseminated in the community, and I'd be surprised if the ALG folks or the speaker were willing to actually postpone the talk from the meeting on the 10th to the following week. However, it doesn't hurt to ask. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sat May 5 05:23:36 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sat May 5 05:24:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <758935.97804.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Sean Carolan wrote: > > What's really frustrating is that the config file > works fine for some > hosts, but not for others. There are about six > problem hosts on my > network that are not allowing the local port > forwarding. Any > suggestions??? > -- Hi, I just tried your configuration and worked fine for me, actually, I was able to replicate the same error when the target host was unresolvable to the bridge box. regards, enrique. -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Sat May 5 06:51:20 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat May 5 06:51:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <758935.97804.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> <758935.97804.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705050451s25fcb429l80c3c08d8b3fd3ec@mail.gmail.com> > I just tried your configuration and worked fine for > me, actually, I was able to replicate the same error > when the target host was unresolvable to the bridge > box. I wonder why would it work from the command line, but not if the exact same settings are put into an .ssh/config file? FYI, in my situation the target host is resolvable from the bridge box. From afcasta at texas.net Sat May 5 09:07:22 2007 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat May 5 09:03:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <46395E56.9000400@gmail.com> References: <003a01c78d32$4cf58af0$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> <46395E56.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1178374042.5053.1.camel@phrodo.texas.net> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 23:00 -0500, Samuel Leon wrote: > John Champion wrote: > > Absolutely. Remember that these posts are visible via a Google search. You > > know I used to work with a hitch mechanic many years ago who couldn't do > > jack unless he was baked. He was so good wasted that senior management > > looked the otherway while he took smoke breaks in an adjacent facility. But > > that fact aside...go to Google and type in your email name. You'll be > > shocked at what you can find. > A guy I knew once told me that he knew a sky crane operator that had > really shaky hands. I don't know if it was Parkinson's or what. But > apparently a couple of beers would fix him right up. > What a life.... That's great - now we can stop worrying about drunk airline pilots who are just steadying their hands. Al Castanoli From sexton at idxwebservices.com Sat May 5 09:24:36 2007 From: sexton at idxwebservices.com (Art Sexton) Date: Sat May 5 09:23:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Free case and mb... Message-ID: <463C93A4.8060008@idxwebservices.com> I have a free tall tower case w/ power supply and motherboard with AMD2800 (engineering sample chip). Wife says it must go so I am trying here first. The last time things stayed around for weeks so we need to meet this weekend if you are claiming this. First email gets it. It works fine but has been sitting for the past year since I upgraded. Art Sexton sexton@idxwebservices.com From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat May 5 09:25:17 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat May 5 09:25:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <1178374042.5053.1.camel@phrodo.texas.net> References: <003a01c78d32$4cf58af0$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> <46395E56.9000400@gmail.com> <1178374042.5053.1.camel@phrodo.texas.net> Message-ID: <463C93CD.9050502@suddenlink.net> Al Castanoli wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 23:00 -0500, Samuel Leon wrote: > A guy I knew once told me that he knew a sky crane operator that had > >> really shaky hands. I don't know if it was Parkinson's or what. But >> apparently a couple of beers would fix him right up. >> What a life.... >> > > That's great - now we can stop worrying about drunk airline pilots who > are just steadying their hands. > > Al Castanoli > > I have been watching this thread with some interest. I have heard these stories about people who work better drunk or stoned since I was very small mainly due to the fact my father was an undiagnosed alcoholic. My own experience is that it is a load of crap. In one day while I was in the military 30 years ago, an acid freak and a drunk together put six men from my unit in the hospital. I was one of the injured. My ankle still hurts when the weather changes. If you are going to get wasted and do something stupid, lock yourself in the garage, get just as drunk or stoned as you want, make sure you are ALL alone, and play with a 16p nail gun. If someone operated a piece of equipment better when they were messed up than when straight, they didn't need to be using that machine in EITHER condition. M2C--YMMV, Dennis Myhand From mkr777 at gmail.com Sat May 5 09:36:30 2007 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Sat May 5 09:36:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Free case and mb... In-Reply-To: <463C93A4.8060008@idxwebservices.com> References: <463C93A4.8060008@idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: Hi, Art: I am interested. Pl call me on my cell 535-3454, if mine is the first e-mail. I will come and pick it up. Ramadoss On 5/5/07, Art Sexton wrote: > > > I have a free tall tower case w/ power supply and motherboard with > AMD2800 (engineering sample chip). Wife says it must go so I am trying > here first. The last time things stayed around for weeks so we need to > meet this weekend if you are claiming this. First email gets it. It > works fine but has been sitting for the past year since I upgraded. > > Art Sexton > sexton@idxwebservices.com > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From asexton at swbell.net Sat May 5 10:03:00 2007 From: asexton at swbell.net (Art Sexton) Date: Sat May 5 10:02:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Free case and mb...spoken for. In-Reply-To: <463C93A4.8060008@idxwebservices.com> References: <463C93A4.8060008@idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: <463C9CA4.900@swbell.net> Jim Wells was "Johnny on the spot" and has this spoken for. Thanks all. Art Sexton Art Sexton wrote: > > I have a free tall tower case w/ power supply and motherboard with > AMD2800 (engineering sample chip). Wife says it must go so I am > trying here first. The last time things stayed around for weeks so we > need to meet this weekend if you are claiming this. First email gets > it. It works fine but has been sitting for the past year since I > upgraded. > > Art Sexton > sexton@idxwebservices.com > > > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat May 5 12:28:23 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Sat May 5 13:28:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Austin Meeting - Metasploit; May 10th In-Reply-To: <463BEE5C.8000403@gmail.com> References: <850809.95697.qm@web38109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2800.192.168.2.1.1178326706.squirrel@luisgarza.com> <463BEE5C.8000403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705051228.24732.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 04 May 2007 21:39, Samuel Leon wrote: > Luis Garza wrote: > > Those interested in going from San Antonio to Austin, please let me know. > > Maybe we can arrange a car caravan to Austin. Please let me know. > > > > Brad Knowles wrote: > > I had never even heard of metasploit before. Sure, count me in! It's what all the script kiddies use to break into servers now. It's a modular penetration tool that lets you choose the attack vector tool as well as the payload. See it here being launched from Whoppix: http://eks0.free.fr/whax-demos/?f=Whoppix-ssh-dcom_config.xml But Whoppix is the older CD distro used above... Whoppix evolved into Whax, which merged with another security distro into what's now called BackTrak: http://swik.net/BackTrack It's one of the hotter security distros out there now. Tweeks From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sat May 5 16:04:28 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Sat May 5 16:09:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <1178374042.5053.1.camel@phrodo.texas.net> References: <003a01c78d32$4cf58af0$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> <46395E56.9000400@gmail.com> <1178374042.5053.1.camel@phrodo.texas.net> Message-ID: <463CF15C.3010804@futuretechsolutions.com> Al Castanoli wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 23:00 -0500, Samuel Leon wrote: > >> John Champion wrote: > >>> Absolutely. Remember that these posts are visible via a Google search. You >>> know I used to work with a hitch mechanic many years ago who couldn't do >>> jack unless he was baked. He was so good wasted that senior management >>> looked the otherway while he took smoke breaks in an adjacent facility. But >>> that fact aside...go to Google and type in your email name. You'll be >>> shocked at what you can find. > >> A guy I knew once told me that he knew a sky crane operator that had >> really shaky hands. I don't know if it was Parkinson's or what. But >> apparently a couple of beers would fix him right up. >> What a life.... > > That's great - now we can stop worrying about drunk airline pilots who > are just steadying their hands. > > Al Castanoli > My father had much the same problem with his shaky hands. My step-mother finally convinced him to quit drinking and low and behold, his hands quit shaking a few weeks after he got off the sauce. Charles From hewittrj_78244 at grandecom.net Sat May 5 16:31:58 2007 From: hewittrj_78244 at grandecom.net (Robert J Hewitt) Date: Sat May 5 16:32:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me Message-ID: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> I ran acrossa deal for a iMac 500mhz processor and I think the latest version of OSX for under $200. it is the one with the CRT screen and all in one except the keyboard and mouse of course and was wandering if it was really worth it to get a iMax that is not intel duo core processor. I want to look into the Mac without spending a lot of cash on initial system. And after watching the youtube on windows Vista I want to see if the Mac is worth the playing with. RObert From eli at then7.com Sat May 5 17:05:05 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sat May 5 17:10:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> Message-ID: <463CFF91.7080203@then7.com> Robert J Hewitt wrote: > I ran acrossa deal for a iMac 500mhz processor and I think the latest > version of OSX for under $200. it is the one with the CRT screen and all > in one except the keyboard and mouse of course and was wandering if it was > really worth it to get a iMax that is not intel duo core processor. I want > to look into the Mac without spending a lot of cash on initial system. And > after watching the youtube on windows Vista I want to see if the Mac is > worth the playing with. > Macs are great. Vista sucks. There ya go. I saved ya $200. ;-) In all seriousness, what are you trying to accomplish? Just tinker with osx? If so, an athlon/nforce4 based system runs osx quite handily. And if you use a supported nvidia/ati card, you get full accelerated desktop & opengl (meaning you get the fancy effects and can play games/demos) http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL_10.4.8 Running OSX on pc hardware is often referred to as osx86/hackintosh/intellitosh...etc etc etc. It's quite fun and you'll learn a lot. The urls I've pasted below are to forums that cover macs/osx(real ones)and this section is specifically about running a hacked version of osx. http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?s=647abb022888c38457c941d834fa84b7&showforum=85 http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showforum=18 If you're comfortable with a linux command line, then with the help of those forums and of course a proper iso obtained via bt, then you can make short work of it. e From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat May 5 17:43:55 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat May 5 17:44:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> Message-ID: <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > I ran acrossa deal for a iMac 500mhz processor and I think the latest > version of OSX for under $200. it is the one with the CRT screen and all > in one except the keyboard and mouse of course and was wandering if it was > really worth it to get a iMax that is not intel duo core processor. I want > to look into the Mac without spending a lot of cash on initial system. And > after watching the youtube on windows Vista I want to see if the Mac is > worth the playing with. Getting both for under $200 is a pretty decent deal IMO. You can get the latest version of OS X on Amazon from a couple of resellers for about $75 - there may be better deals out there. I got the same iMac for $129, so I'll end up paying a little more than that deal after I upgrade the memory (it needs at least 256MB to install OS X). For a starter system, that deal is pretty good as long as you don't plan on doing much high-end video or audio editing. The latest iLife needs at least a 1GHz G4 IIRC. Enjoy! Tom King From eli at then7.com Sat May 5 18:00:16 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sat May 5 18:05:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> Thomas King wrote: >> I ran acrossa deal for a iMac 500mhz processor and I think the latest >> version of OSX for under $200. it is the one with the CRT screen and all >> in one except the keyboard and mouse of course and was wandering if it was >> really worth it to get a iMax that is not intel duo core processor. I want >> to look into the Mac without spending a lot of cash on initial system. And >> after watching the youtube on windows Vista I want to see if the Mac is >> worth the playing with. > > Getting both for under $200 is a pretty decent deal IMO. You can get the latest > version of OS X on Amazon from a couple of resellers for about $75 - there may > be better deals out there. I got the same iMac for $129, so I'll end up paying a > little more than that deal after I upgrade the memory (it needs at least 256MB > to install OS X). For a starter system, that deal is pretty good as long as you > don't plan on doing much high-end video or audio editing. The latest iLife needs > at least a 1GHz G4 IIRC. > > Enjoy! > Tom King I didn't want to come out and bash the deal, but it sure doesn't leave me warm and fuzzy. Some careful shopping on the san antonio/austin craigslist or ebay will get you an expandable powermac for $200. But if one is looking for a glitzy desktop experience to compare to vista, running sub $500 hardware isn't really going to get one there. e From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat May 5 20:39:30 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat May 5 20:39:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> Message-ID: <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > > > Thomas King wrote: >>> I ran acrossa deal for a iMac 500mhz processor and I think the latest >>> version of OSX for under $200. it is the one with the CRT screen and all >>> in one except the keyboard and mouse of course and was wandering if it was >>> really worth it to get a iMax that is not intel duo core processor. I want >>> to look into the Mac without spending a lot of cash on initial system. And >>> after watching the youtube on windows Vista I want to see if the Mac is >>> worth the playing with. >> >> Getting both for under $200 is a pretty decent deal IMO. You can get the >> latest >> version of OS X on Amazon from a couple of resellers for about $75 - there may >> be better deals out there. I got the same iMac for $129, so I'll end up paying >> a >> little more than that deal after I upgrade the memory (it needs at least 256MB >> to install OS X). For a starter system, that deal is pretty good as long as >> you >> don't plan on doing much high-end video or audio editing. The latest iLife >> needs >> at least a 1GHz G4 IIRC. >> >> Enjoy! >> Tom King > > > I didn't want to come out and bash the deal, but it sure doesn't leave > me warm and fuzzy. > > Some careful shopping on the san antonio/austin craigslist or ebay will > get you an expandable powermac for $200. > > But if one is looking for a glitzy desktop experience to compare to > vista, running sub $500 hardware isn't really going to get one there. > > e I guess that depends on your timing. I had won a 677MHz PowerMac on Ebay that cost me about $375 (I think it was actually more, but memory fails me). Believe me, I did quite a bit of watching. I do hope you can get a better deal out there, now. Like he said, some careful shopping might land you a great deal. Enjoy! Tom From scarolan at gmail.com Sat May 5 20:46:56 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sat May 5 20:47:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0705051846r59a1de5ck71dac3bd4be4e2a@mail.gmail.com> Robert: If it's cool eye candy you're after I would recommend Ubuntu Feisty (7.04) with the compiz desktop effects turned on. You can get an OS X expose-like effect, "wobbly windows", and the famous spinning cube with 4 desktops on it. I actually like it better than OSX, because I have gotten so used to having multiple desktops to work on. Also, the command line tools included with OS X are not as complete as what you get on a GNU/Linux system. Sean From eli at then7.com Sat May 5 21:20:59 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sat May 5 21:26:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <463D3B8B.1050707@then7.com> >> >> I didn't want to come out and bash the deal, but it sure doesn't leave >> me warm and fuzzy. >> >> Some careful shopping on the san antonio/austin craigslist or ebay will >> get you an expandable powermac for $200. >> >> But if one is looking for a glitzy desktop experience to compare to >> vista, running sub $500 hardware isn't really going to get one there. >> >> e > > I guess that depends on your timing. I had won a 677MHz PowerMac on Ebay that > cost me about $375 (I think it was actually more, but memory fails me). Believe > me, I did quite a bit of watching. > > I do hope you can get a better deal out there, now. Like he said, some careful > shopping might land you a great deal. > > Enjoy! > Tom you're right. just a few months makes a difference too. what's amazing is that a 8 year old mac can be sold. a 5 year old pc can barely be given away. e From benjamin.temple at gmail.com Sat May 5 22:35:47 2007 From: benjamin.temple at gmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Sat May 5 22:36:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux video Message-ID: <368c881c0705052035t79ed9babx7dd8b679a61fa68d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I did this Linux installation tutorial that covers Ubuntu Linux and SimplyMEPIS. The link to the video is: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2215418486881694095&hl=en You should be able to play it if you have Flash Player installed. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sat May 5 22:49:27 2007 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sat May 5 22:49:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <463D3B8B.1050707@then7.com> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D3B8B.1050707@then7.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0705052049v1a2f3574oe7ea672ea3372155@mail.gmail.com> There are deals to be had out there. I just lost a bid for 6 iMacs on a pallet from a School district in Austin the winning bid was $61. Look at lowendmac.com to see the going prices from resellers it should give you an ideal what is the norm to pay for. The worst part of buying online is shipping these suckers weight close to 50 lbs so your going to pay for them. Zeb On 5/5/07, Eli wrote: > > > >> > >> I didn't want to come out and bash the deal, but it sure doesn't leave > >> me warm and fuzzy. > >> > >> Some careful shopping on the san antonio/austin craigslist or ebay will > >> get you an expandable powermac for $200. > >> > >> But if one is looking for a glitzy desktop experience to compare to > >> vista, running sub $500 hardware isn't really going to get one there. > >> > >> e > > > > I guess that depends on your timing. I had won a 677MHz PowerMac on Ebay > that > > cost me about $375 (I think it was actually more, but memory fails me). > Believe > > me, I did quite a bit of watching. > > > > I do hope you can get a better deal out there, now. Like he said, some > careful > > shopping might land you a great deal. > > > > Enjoy! > > Tom > > > you're right. just a few months makes a difference too. what's amazing > is that a 8 year old mac can be sold. a 5 year old pc can barely be > given away. > > e > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sat May 5 23:03:52 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sat May 5 23:04:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705050451s25fcb429l80c3c08d8b3fd3ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <501512.14135.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Sean Carolan wrote: > > I just tried your configuration and worked fine > for > > me, actually, I was able to replicate the same > error > > when the target host was unresolvable to the > bridge > > box. > > I wonder why would it work from the command line, > but not if the exact > same settings are put into an .ssh/config file? > > FYI, in my situation the target host is resolvable > from the bridge box. > -- > ___ hate to ask the obvious, but here I go. did you try adding one or more -v to the ssh command line when using the config file? regards, enrique. -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sat May 5 23:04:14 2007 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sat May 5 23:04:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <463D3B8B.1050707@then7.com> Message-ID: Found this posting at craigslist just now http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/sys/324700767.html $69 for an iMac. Zeb From brad at shub-internet.org Sat May 5 22:40:22 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat May 5 23:39:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705051846r59a1de5ck71dac3bd4be4e2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <277020fc0705051846r59a1de5ck71dac3bd4be4e2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/5/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > I actually like it better than OSX, because I have gotten so used to > having multiple desktops to work on. There are multiple different packages for Mac OS X that provide multiple desktops, and have done for a long time. Many authors are starting to bail out on supporting these programs, because Leopard (10.5) will include a native feature that will obviate the need for these third-party packages, but for now there are still several options available. > Also, the command line tools > included with OS X are not as complete as what you get on a GNU/Linux > system. In what way are the Mac OS X CLI tools not complete? You get the full development kit (if you choose to install it), and pretty much all the other standard CLI tools I know of. What's missing? -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From brad at shub-internet.org Sat May 5 22:54:52 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat May 5 23:39:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> Message-ID: On 5/5/07, Robert J Hewitt wrote: > I ran acrossa deal for a iMac 500mhz processor and I think the latest > version of OSX for under $200. it is the one with the CRT screen and all > in one except the keyboard and mouse of course and was wandering if it was > really worth it to get a iMax that is not intel duo core processor. Well, LowEndMac has a deals page on the G3 iMacs at . For the class of hardware you're talking about, the best price they show is $269 (500MHz PowerPC G3 w/ DVD), and with enough RAM this would actually officially be supported by Apple for running Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger", although it wouldn't run very fast. The 450MHz G3 with DVD is $97, while the 600MHz G3 with CD-RW is $130. So, what then is the price of Mac OS X "Tiger"? The Apple Store lists it for $129.00 retail, single-user. All together, that would be $398 if you bought exactly the same models. That would be from reputable businesses with a long history in the community and a retail presence. Of course, you might have to pay shipping on the computer (since there are local stores where you can go buy Mac OS X in person), but that's probably not going to cost enough to make up the difference. Personally, if I was buying from a private individual locally, I'd want to either get more for my money, or a better deal. Is the seller going to throw in a lot more software "for free"? Is there anything else included in the package that would help make it worthwhile? > I want to look into the Mac without spending a lot of cash on initial > system. And after watching the youtube on windows Vista I want to see > if the Mac is worth the playing with. Check the LowEndMac "deals" pages. If you're fine spending that amount of money, then I think you can get better hardware that would do a better job of running the OS and giving you a more proper look at Mac OS X, before you make up your mine. Otherwise, I think you can get the same hardware for less money. Myself, I've got at least two or three old machines that I'm going to be selling soon, including a PowerBook G3 "Pismo" with 400MHz PowerPC G4 processor and 1GB of RAM, and a PowerBook G4 "TiBook" with 867MHz PowerPC G4 processor and 1GB of RAM. The disk configuration on both of these has yet to be determined, because I've got a lot of older "bare" drives that have been pulled out of machines after I upgraded to higher capacity models, so I could pick and choose which drive(s) I wanted to put in which machines. I'll probably also be getting rid of an iBook G4 with 1.33-1.42GHz PowerPC G4 processor (I don't know exactly what speed), and a more normal RAM & disk configuration. This is the machine my wife is currently using as her primary computer, and I need to get everything copied over to my old PowerBook G4 "AlBook", which used to be my primary computer before I got this MacBook Pro C2D a couple of weeks ago. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun May 6 07:31:10 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun May 6 07:31:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463DCA8E.2080207@suddenlink.net> Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Found this posting at craigslist just now > http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/sys/324700767.html > > $69 for an iMac. > > > Zeb > > > Not meaning to rain on anybody's parade, but please understand this is one of the very basic first models. A 333MHz processor and 64 megs of RAM will barely let you run 10.2. I had a friend with a set-up like this and he tried to move up to 10.3 and it would not handle it. It became unusably slow and would crash (And, Yes, Macs will crash.) with great regularity. He was a definite Mac Addict and it drove him nuts that he could not run the latest and greatest on all his hardware. Peace, Dennis From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun May 6 08:01:12 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun May 6 08:01:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] battery monitor Message-ID: <200705061301.l46D1CXp022286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Can someone suggest a KDE3 panel button application that lets me monitor battery status? I looked around but didn't find anything that worked. I got all the ACPI info in /proc for battery. Thanks, -borries From scarolan at gmail.com Sun May 6 08:03:06 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun May 6 08:03:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705060601r1ade2593tf951f55295c68821@mail.gmail.com> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <277020fc0705051846r59a1de5ck71dac3bd4be4e2a@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705060601r1ade2593tf951f55295c68821@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705060603t6bf9f3f0v3b68b2137d1217dd@mail.gmail.com> > In what way are the Mac OS X CLI tools not complete? You get the > full development kit (if you choose to install it), and pretty much > all the other standard CLI tools I know of. > > What's missing? I should have been more specific. The last time I worked from the command line on a Mac the default shell was tcsh. I prefer bash but I have heard that newer versions of OS X include bash by default? Most flavors of Linux have better command line tools for package management and dependency resolving. It would be great if Mac had an equivalent system to yum or apt, where you could grab new F/OSS software with a short command, instead of compiling from scratch. I'm also not a huge fan of the OS X built-in Terminal app, finding gnome-terminal to be more customizable to my needs. When you have several ssh sessions open in terminal windows, it's nice to have them all in tabs instead of separate windows. This is not specifically a command-line issue, but it is related since you have to use Terminal to get to the command line, unless you install a 3rd party app. Nothing against Macs though. I may get one after my current system kicks the bucket. From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Sun May 6 08:45:11 2007 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Sun May 6 08:45:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] battery monitor In-Reply-To: <200705061301.l46D1CXp022286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200705061301.l46D1CXp022286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <463DDBE7.40400@gmail.com> Borries, On my laptop running Mepis 6.0 there is an application called KPowersave that runs & monitors the battery status. It *seems* to work well, at least on my laptop. Not knowing what distro you are running, it might be included? Jim Borries Demeler wrote: > Can someone suggest a KDE3 panel button application that lets me monitor > battery status? I looked around but didn't find anything that worked. > I got all the ACPI info in /proc for battery. > > Thanks, -borries From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun May 6 09:05:20 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun May 6 09:05:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] battery monitor In-Reply-To: <463DDBE7.40400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705061405.l46E5KBo002899@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Borries, > On my laptop running Mepis 6.0 there is an application called KPowersave > that runs & monitors the battery status. It *seems* to work well, at > least on my laptop. Not knowing what distro you are running, it might > be included? Thanks, Jim, but I tried kpowersave without luck since it requires qt D-bus modules that are only available in QT 4. I am running slack-11 which is based on QT 3, which doesn't come with these modules. But I found "klaptop" which gives a basic tool to monitor and run scripts based on battery status - that will do for now. Thanks, -Borries From asexton at swbell.net Sun May 6 09:26:08 2007 From: asexton at swbell.net (Art Sexton) Date: Sun May 6 09:25:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] games and utilities cds to give away In-Reply-To: <463C93A4.8060008@idxwebservices.com> References: <463C93A4.8060008@idxwebservices.com> Message-ID: <463DE580.9060202@swbell.net> We are in the process of our spring cleaning (late) and so now I have a lot of cds to give away. These are all older windows based games and utilities, so they should run alright under wine, etc. Most are original but some are copies (I had the originals but they have been destroyed by kids over time). Whoever claims them needs to take all of them, and I need them gone today. I am on the northwest side of town and can meet you around here. I will list a few of the titles for you: Air Warrior III Nascar Raching Net War Monster Truck Madness 2 Harry Potter World Book Encyclopedia 2002 (x2) Comptons 2000 Family dictionary Just for Kids, Educational Programs Encarta 99 Atari Anniversary Edition Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego Think Speak & Write Better MS Works (version?) Dangerous Creatures MS Office Gateway 2000 Edition MS Win 95 Power by Hand (Palm tutor) HyperBlade Leisure Suit Larry Age of Empires II, The age of Kings First to email me at sexton@idxwebservices.com gets them....otherwise they get given away tomorrow. Art Sexton sexton@idxwebservices.com From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sun May 6 11:11:32 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sun May 6 11:11:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22011.24.28.24.180.1178467892.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Found this posting at craigslist just now > http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/sys/324700767.html > > $69 for an iMac. > > > Zeb The key to that one is the sentence, "The iMac may come with either OS 9.2 or OS X". With the specs given, it's not running OS X. If you find a 500MHz with 256MB or more and running OS X (the highest without getting a DVD drive is 10.3 unless you find 10.4 split across CD-ROMS), that's comparable to what we are discussing. Please correct me if I'm wrong. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun May 6 11:42:44 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun May 6 11:43:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] battery monitor In-Reply-To: <200705061301.l46D1CXp022286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200705061301.l46D1CXp022286@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <463E0584.805@gmail.com> Borries Demeler wrote: > Can someone suggest a KDE3 panel button application that lets me monitor > battery status? I looked around but didn't find anything that worked. > I got all the ACPI info in /proc for battery. Try going to KDE's Control Center -> Power Control -> Laptop Battery -- Bruce From brad at shub-internet.org Sun May 6 15:07:03 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun May 6 15:09:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705060603t6bf9f3f0v3b68b2137d1217dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <277020fc0705051846r59a1de5ck71dac3bd4be4e2a@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705060601r1ade2593tf951f55295c68821@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705060603t6bf9f3f0v3b68b2137d1217dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/6/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > I should have been more specific. The last time I worked from the > command line on a Mac the default shell was tcsh. I prefer bash but I > have heard that newer versions of OS X include bash by default? I prefer tcsh, but bash is also present in /bin/. Other than that, I can't really say very much. > Most flavors of Linux have better command line tools for package > management and dependency resolving. It would be great if Mac had an > equivalent system to yum or apt, where you could grab new F/OSS > software with a short command, instead of compiling from scratch. Package management in the sense you're talking about is not appropriate when you're talking about native Mac OS applications. They all have their own installers, or you just click-n-drag the binaries, or whatever. There is no Apple-imposed package management scheme, and I don't think there ever will be. Package management is just not something that Mac OS X tries to do. If you want that, try Fink, or one of the other third-party tools. > I'm also not a huge fan of the OS X built-in Terminal app, finding > gnome-terminal to be more customizable to my needs. When you have > several ssh sessions open in terminal windows, it's nice to have them > all in tabs instead of separate windows. This is not specifically a > command-line issue, but it is related since you have to use Terminal > to get to the command line, unless you install a 3rd party app. I've tried multiple different terminal programs on Mac OS X, and none of them have worked anywhere remotely as close to as well as Terminal.app. Okay, Terminal.app doesn't support running things in tabbed mode, but I've never heard of a program that did, at least not until now. All the alternatives I've tried on Mac OS X have taken a great deal more CPU & RAM in order to run, and provided a lot fewer features for their much heavier price. > Nothing against Macs though. I may get one after my current system > kicks the bucket. Don't get me wrong -- Mac OS X has plenty of things that I feel are wrong or need serious improvement. I don't think it's "perfect" by any stretch of the imagination. However, if there are areas in which others think it's weak, I want to try to understand what those are, and see if I agree. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sun May 6 20:41:18 2007 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun May 6 20:45:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <463C93CD.9050502@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <00b601c79048$e130b820$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> I have been watching this thread with some interest. I have heard these stories about people who work better drunk or stoned since I was very small mainly due to the fact my father was an undiagnosed alcoholic. My own experience is that it is a load of crap. In one day while I was in the military 30 years ago, an acid freak and a drunk together put six men from my unit in the hospital. I was one of the injured. My ankle still hurts when the weather changes. If you are going to get wasted and do something stupid, lock yourself in the garage, get just as drunk or stoned as you want, make sure you are ALL alone, and play with a 16p nail gun. If someone operated a piece of equipment better when they were messed up than when straight, they didn't need to be using that machine in EITHER condition. M2C--YMMV, Dennis Myhand -- Look folks...the hitch mechanic that I worked with was just that. He used his welder and cutting torch to create custom trailer hitches for people who needed them. Moreover, he was a stoner. He really truly was the world's most incompetent employee when he was sober. His work brought in so much money that one of our company's executives (this was for a publicly traded, world class company that deals with rv's and trailers) instructed local management to look the other way. How do I know? I was the assistant manager. Yes...if you put anyone in direct contact with a hallucinagen, don't be surprised by the results. But in this guy's case, all the stuff did was make him comfortable and relaxed. And charging people $65/hr to build a hitch back in the mid-80s was generating a lot of income because he'd work 15-18 hour days. Would I hire someone like that? No. But this joker was really good when baked and pretty bad when sober. He also didn't have an expense in the world because he moved into his late-mother's house, had no cable or phone, paid off his truck, and basically lived debt free. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun May 6 20:57:34 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun May 6 20:58:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <00b601c79048$e130b820$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <200705070157.l471vYJu015712@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Look folks...the hitch mechanic that I worked with was just that. He used > his welder and cutting torch to create custom trailer hitches for people who > needed them. Moreover, he was a stoner. He really truly was the world's most > incompetent employee when he was sober. His work brought in so much money > that one of our company's executives (this was for a publicly traded, world > class company that deals with rv's and trailers) instructed local management > to look the other way. How do I know? I was the assistant manager. Yes...if > you put anyone in direct contact with a hallucinagen, don't be surprised by > the results. But in this guy's case, all the stuff did was make him > comfortable and relaxed. And charging people $65/hr to build a hitch back in > the mid-80s was generating a lot of income because he'd work 15-18 hour > days. Would I hire someone like that? No. > > But this joker was really good when baked and pretty bad when sober. He also > didn't have an expense in the world because he moved into his late-mother's > house, had no cable or phone, paid off his truck, and basically lived debt > free. Ouchh! Would you like to tow a 1+ ton trailer with a hitch welded by this guy? Over mountain passes? This executive/management/employee sound like a major liability for this publically traded, world class RV company.... -b. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sun May 6 23:04:03 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sun May 6 23:04:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] refurbished pcs. In-Reply-To: <991686.23225.qm@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <993972.69388.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > I got a couple of refurbished netvista pcs from > tigerdirect and put Fedora6 and ubuntu there, they > work fine as long as you keep using them, but the > moment I leave them alone for an extended period 8-10 > hours) they freeze or the response time is very > sluggish, I guess they want to be at par with > GVTC slowband service. > I am able to login again but executing commands is > just painful & frustrating. > esv. > > http://themathcircle.org/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > just an update on this front, apparently this is a problem either introduced in FC 6 or a microcode update, but it turns out to be an ACPI problem, setting acpi=off in the grub.conf file seems to fix the problem. As of GVTC, they seem to have fixed their problems too or their up-link carrier did, since the service seems faster too. regards, esv. -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sun May 6 23:56:40 2007 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sun May 6 23:57:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT, anyone know anyone in the houstson LUG? Message-ID: <869de8470705062156u2a732ee2n142ea6c5c2f20f1e@mail.gmail.com> I know this is a weird question to be asking, concerning locale, but does anyone know anyone or anyone here a member of an active Houston LUG? I've tried looking at the houston LUG website (at http://www.hlug.org ) but there's nothing useful there but a very bizarre web app called a TWiki which appears to have as much usability as old DMS-500 switch manuals. Please contact me if you or anyone you know of knows od a houston LUG that has an active mailing list or at least active meetings. Thank you. FIRESTORM_v1 From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon May 7 05:17:47 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon May 7 05:18:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bruce Bowen In-Reply-To: <200705070157.l471vYJu015712@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200705070157.l471vYJu015712@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <463EFCCB.6090005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Borries Demeler wrote: > > Ouchh! > Would you like to tow a 1+ ton trailer with a hitch welded by this guy? > Over mountain passes? This executive/management/employee sound > like a major liability for this publically traded, world class RV company.... > > -b. > if it passed the xray, yes. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon May 7 08:23:09 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon May 7 08:23:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT, anyone know anyone in the houstson LUG? Message-ID: <931fa7d30a3b427fa40ee3d20cbec219.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >Subject : RE: [SATLUG] OT, anyone know anyone in the houstson LUG? > >I know this is a weird question to be asking, concerning locale, but does >anyone know anyone or anyone here a member of an active Houston LUG? >I've tried looking at the houston LUG website (at http://www.hlug.org ) but >there's nothing useful there but a very bizarre web app called a TWiki >which appears to have as much usability as old DMS-500 switch manuals. >Please contact me if you or anyone you know of knows od a houston LUG that >has an active mailing list or at least active meetings. __________________________________________________________________________- Too much Cinco de Mayo? A quick Google brings up www.hlug.org , their good looking home page lists scheduled meetings and locations, and the upper right corner " User Log-In " has a " create one " (in orange fonts) allowing you to " adduser " Matter of fact, will create one to facilitate Harris Co. support when I'm trouble shooting my girl friend's connection, and erstwhile Embarq support. HTH Lou From scarolan at gmail.com Mon May 7 08:39:20 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon May 7 08:39:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <501512.14135.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <277020fc0705050451s25fcb429l80c3c08d8b3fd3ec@mail.gmail.com> <501512.14135.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705070639i1fcad20fu8d62b80f045c6d3b@mail.gmail.com> > hate to ask the obvious, but here I go. > > did you try adding one or more -v to the ssh command > line when using the config file? This is what I get: scarolan@xwing:~$ ssh -vvv cherry OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 debug1: Reading configuration data /home/scarolan/.ssh/config debug1: Applying options for * debug1: Applying options for cherry debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options for * debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 20031. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/scarolan/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/scarolan/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /home/scarolan/.ssh/id_dsa. debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' debug3: key_read: missing keytype debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'Proc-Type:' debug3: key_read: missing keytype debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'DEK-Info:' debug3: key_read: missing keytype debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug3: key_read: missing whitespace debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END' debug3: key_read: missing keytype debug1: identity file /home/scarolan/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host From nathan at gvtc.com Mon May 7 08:57:50 2007 From: nathan at gvtc.com (nathan@gvtc.com) Date: Mon May 7 08:58:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <20070507085750.m51hjetw8wsccgww@webmail.gvtc.com> To the regulars that work the computer show, do we need anything other then what we normally bring for this Saturday? Can we do a quick get together at the meeting this week? I may be a little late getting to the show, I have to vote at two different places that are in opposite directions and both out of the way to get to Live Oak. For those that are not familiar with the computer show, goto the SATLUG web site and scroll down to the Computer Show Link. Nathan From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 7 09:01:08 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage) Date: Mon May 7 09:01:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] I Mac and Me In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705060603t6bf9f3f0v3b68b2137d1217dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200705052132.l45LWBHO021285@mx3.lsn.net> <17614.24.28.24.180.1178405035.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <463D0C80.7020109@then7.com> <18262.24.28.24.180.1178415570.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <277020fc0705051846r59a1de5ck71dac3bd4be4e2a@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705060601r1ade2593tf951f55295c68821@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705060603t6bf9f3f0v3b68b2137d1217dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/6/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > > I should have been more specific. The last time I worked from the > command line on a Mac the default shell was tcsh. I prefer bash but I > have heard that newer versions of OS X include bash by default? That is correct. Most flavors of Linux have better command line tools for package > management and dependency resolving. It would be great if Mac had an > equivalent system to yum or apt, where you could grab new F/OSS > software with a short command, instead of compiling from scratch. You can do this with fink while getting apps from darwinports. I'm also not a huge fan of the OS X built-in Terminal app, finding > gnome-terminal to be more customizable to my needs. When you have > several ssh sessions open in terminal windows, it's nice to have them > all in tabs instead of separate windows. This is not specifically a > command-line issue, but it is related since you have to use Terminal > to get to the command line, unless you install a 3rd party app. Like iTerm. It does everything and more than Gnome terminal. Nothing against Macs though. I may get one after my current system > kicks the bucket. That's funny. I want to go the other way. If Photoshop and Flash ever make it to linux, it's good bye Apple for me. Can't wait to play with Ubuntu Studio. ~Nate From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Mon May 7 11:48:16 2007 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Mon May 7 11:48:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT, anyone know anyone in the houstson LUG? In-Reply-To: <931fa7d30a3b427fa40ee3d20cbec219.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <931fa7d30a3b427fa40ee3d20cbec219.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <869de8470705070948l24a736a0yb9e828cdf36a47f5@mail.gmail.com> that's the weird thing, I went to hlug and created an account, but couldn't use their twiki thing to do anything. As far as I can tell, there's no forum, no mailing lists, no members pages, nothing at all. Believe me, I used Google before I asked SATLUG, and investigated on my own before I hit this bizarre roadblock.. Thanks for the heads up. Matt On 5/7/07, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > >Subject : RE: [SATLUG] OT, anyone know anyone in the > houstson LUG? > > > >I know this is a weird question to be asking, > concerning locale, but does > >anyone know anyone or anyone here a member of an > active Houston LUG? > > >I've tried looking at the houston LUG website (at > http://www.hlug.org ) but > >there's nothing useful there but a very bizarre web > app called a TWiki > >which appears to have as much usability as old > DMS-500 switch manuals. > > >Please contact me if you or anyone you know of knows > od a houston LUG that > >has an active mailing list or at least active meetings. > > __________________________________________________________________________- > Too much Cinco de Mayo? > > A quick Google brings up www.hlug.org , their good > looking home page lists > scheduled meetings and locations, and the upper right > corner " User Log-In " > has a " create one " (in orange fonts) allowing you > to " adduser " > > Matter of fact, will create one to facilitate Harris > Co. support when I'm > trouble shooting my girl friend's connection, and > erstwhile Embarq support. > > HTH Lou > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon May 7 12:40:46 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon May 7 12:41:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT, anyone know anyone in the houstson LUG? Message-ID: <7a08384b2845432f80b89131b222fb3f.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >I went to hlug and created an account, but couldn't >use their twiki thing to do anything. As far as I can tell, there's no >forum, no mailing lists, no members pages, nothing at all. Believe me, I >used Google before I asked SATLUG, and investigated on my own before I hit >this bizarre roadblock.. ------------------------------------------------------------ Spoke too soon, I created a new account (UID) and was supposed to receive an emailed password. Been waiting a couple hours (nada). Perhaps the HLUG administrator manually assigns and forwards it on a time permitting basis. From brad at shub-internet.org Mon May 7 13:49:01 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon May 7 14:06:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT, anyone know anyone in the houstson LUG? In-Reply-To: <869de8470705062156u2a732ee2n142ea6c5c2f20f1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470705062156u2a732ee2n142ea6c5c2f20f1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/6/07, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I've tried looking at the houston LUG website (at http://www.hlug.org ) but > there's nothing useful there but a very bizarre web app called a TWiki > which appears to have as much usability as old DMS-500 switch manuals. TWiki is a well-known and well-understood implementation of the concept of a "wiki", such as used at Wikipedia. They use different codebases, but the concept is the same. TWiki is usually considered one of the more full-featured and security-oriented versions (it usually fares pretty well on the "wiki comparison" pages such as and ), although it is "heavier" to install and use than many alternatives. And if you're the TWiki admin, it can be a lot of work to maintain, especially if you use a lot of plug-ins. We use TWiki exclusively for all web content on the NTP Public Services project at . So, calling TWiki "useless" isn't really appropriate. They may not have chosen a good set of plug-ins, or may be using TWiki "bare", and their website may be less functional than you would otherwise like to see. Or they may not have added much content to their TWiki system, and of course there's always GI-GO. Looking at the HLUG website, it looks better to me than most LUG websites, and better than most TWiki installations I've seen. So, it seems that they've done a pretty good job of creating and maintaining the website, insofar as that goes. I can't speak for their lack of responsiveness regarding the creation of accounts, but I would assume that all mailing list and other information would be restricted to members only. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon May 7 16:09:34 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon May 7 16:10:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT, anyone know anyone in the houstson LUG? Message-ID: <69f8b587000d4d41b9e458388cdff93d.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >------- Original Message ------- >>I went to hlug and created an account, but couldn't >>use their twiki thing to do anything. As far as I >>can tell, there's no forum, no mailing lists, no members >>pages, nothing at all. << snip >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >Spoke too soon, I created a new account (UID) and was >supposed to receive >an emailed password. Been waiting a couple hours >(nada). Perhaps the HLUG >administrator manually assigns and forwards it on a >time permitting basis. -------------------------------------------------- Success! Received hlug.org password this afternoon and successfully logged-on. Strange, their email was time stamped 9:11, and appeared on the mail server after 2PM. End of saga, Firestorm you should be good to go too. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From eli at then7.com Mon May 7 21:14:18 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Mon May 7 21:14:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] cool lil blurb from automatix site Message-ID: <33332.76.184.78.194.1178590458.squirrel@76.184.78.194> "04/19/2007: Automatix2 now comes with Crossover Office Standard and Professional on Ubuntu 7.04 amd64 (which basically means you can run a ton of 32 bit windows software on Ubuntu 7.04 amd64). Also.. what really caught our attention of late was that, Michael Dell, Founder and CEO of Dell Inc., uses Automatix2 on his home computer." e From satlugacct at jchampion.com Mon May 7 22:57:31 2007 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (satlugacct@jchampion.com) Date: Mon May 7 22:52:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Two questions--Knoppix & Ubuntu Message-ID: <20070507225731.bugsqi4g84gk04c4@webmail.jchampion.com> Hi, I just burned the latest Knoppix and for some reason it does not like my wifi settings. I have WPA setup and gave it the correct channel and passphrase info and it refuses to grab on. I get DHCP errors. The other problem I have is with Ubuntu on my laptop. It keeps telling me that a different package is corrupt. I'm wondering if maybe it's user error or maybe cd burner error. It's weird...I can't get any live distro to work for some reason. I can get Ubuntu to get on my wifi but have other issues. From wmail at wricomp.com Mon May 7 23:54:24 2007 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon May 7 23:54:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Two questions--Knoppix & Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070507225731.bugsqi4g84gk04c4@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20070507225731.bugsqi4g84gk04c4@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <3svv33lpvceochr3678uco0krlq4klucpm@4ax.com> On Mon, 7 May 2007 22:57:31 -0500, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: >I'm wondering if maybe it's user error or maybe cd burner error. It's >weird...I can't get any live distro to work for some reason. I can get >Ubuntu to get on my wifi but have other issues. Knoppix seems quite hard on CD burners as I've seen from online reports and personal experience. Use a slower speed and verify the disc with a different computer, if possible. Check the md5sum of the burned disc against the knoppix-xxx.iso. If the md5sum of the CD matches the published one on the mirror site, you should be good to go. Similar comments apply to other distros, but they seem less picky, perhaps because knoppix uses a highly compressed file system that is less tolerant of errors. WiFi problems often fall into the chasm between proprietary and truly open drivers. Different distros take different stands on software freedom, so your hardware will probably work better with some than others, even without issues of WPA supplicant settings and passphrases versus hex key strings. --Don -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. --Dvon, 2006 From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Tue May 8 00:34:56 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Tue May 8 00:35:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705070639i1fcad20fu8d62b80f045c6d3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <823436.10641.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Sean Carolan wrote: > debug3: key_read: missing keytype > debug1: identity file /home/scarolan/.ssh/id_dsa > type 2 > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by > remote host > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > beats me, have you asked in the openssh mailing list/forum? regards, esv. -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tameika.reed at rackspace.com Tue May 8 00:45:02 2007 From: tameika.reed at rackspace.com (Tameika Reed) Date: Tue May 8 00:46:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem References: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <240FE6D667B3AC4AB1C05C4CDB64DEB20157FEB4@SAT4MX03.RACKSPACE.CORP> You should look in your /etc/hosts.deny file. Usually it is blocked in and placed in that file ________________________________ From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org on behalf of Sean Carolan Sent: Fri 5/4/2007 4:11 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem Maybe someone can help me figure this out. I have three machines, let's call them apple, banana and cherry. Apple is my workstation, banana is a box that I can SSH to, and cherry is only available from banana. If I run these commands everything works fine: $ ssh -L 2022:cherry:22 banana $ ssh localhost -p 2022 And I get immediately connected to cherry with no problem. When I try to put these settings into my ~/.ssh/config file I get this error on the client: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host And this error on the server: channel 47: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed Here is a copy of my ~/.ssh/config file: **************** Host banana Hostname banana.full.domain.name LocalForward 21031 cherry.full.domain.name:22 Host cherry Hostname localhost Port 21031 HostKeyAlias cherry *************** What's really frustrating is that the config file works fine for some hosts, but not for others. There are about six problem hosts on my network that are not allowing the local port forwarding. Any suggestions??? -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace Managed Hosting. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at abuse@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. From jhammer at accd.edu Tue May 8 11:14:48 2007 From: jhammer at accd.edu (John Hammer) Date: Tue May 8 11:15:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Who are the Linux desktop users? Message-ID: <4640A1F8.9000205@accd.edu> Interesting summary of a survey done by Novell and OpenSUSE. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9755856281.html John Hammer From gboswell at accd.edu Tue May 8 13:52:26 2007 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Tue May 8 13:52:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] outlook client ? Message-ID: <4640C6EA.4080007@accd.edu> *Daniel J. Givens *Wrote: > OWA works in Firefox. It isn't as slick as it is under IE, but it works. > > As for Evolution Exchange usage, while I've never used it, here is a quick howto: > > http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/trench/16234.html > > You can also look into using Outlook with Wine or one of its derivatives (Cross-over Office). > > Best of luck. > Daniel > > > Thanks, very good information. Now if I can only get the information out of accd about the server I'll be set. -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From herbc at txcyber.com Tue May 8 14:35:50 2007 From: herbc at txcyber.com (Herb) Date: Tue May 8 14:36:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Who are the Linux desktop users? In-Reply-To: <4640A1F8.9000205@accd.edu> References: <4640A1F8.9000205@accd.edu> Message-ID: <4640D116.5000700@txcyber.com> hmmmm really interesting and I have heard that distro named enough so I ordering a cd today. Thanks John John Hammer wrote: > Interesting summary of a survey done by Novell and OpenSUSE. > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9755856281.html > > John Hammer > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue May 8 22:06:42 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Tue May 8 23:06:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Who's the SATLUG Server Admin? Message-ID: <200705082206.43269.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Can someone please have them contact me? Thanks.. Tweeks From wmail at wricomp.com Thu May 10 21:44:50 2007 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Thu May 10 21:45:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20070507085750.m51hjetw8wsccgww@webmail.gvtc.com> References: <20070507085750.m51hjetw8wsccgww@webmail.gvtc.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 May 2007 08:57:50 -0500, nathan@gvtc.com wrote: >To the regulars that work the computer show, do we need anything other >then what we normally bring for this Saturday? Can we do a quick get >together at the meeting this week? Just a reminder: The computer show and sale is THIS Saturday, May 12. If you're not familiar with the event, go to the SATLUG pages (www.satlug.org) and scroll down for the computer show link. See you there! --Don -- I just realized the USB stick I casually loaned somebody has more capacity than all the disk drives at my university (and cost less than one textbook.) From masterr at gmail.com Fri May 11 11:04:48 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Fri May 11 11:05:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for CRD-5440 RAID controller Message-ID: <14842c410705110904i47bee4d2nf5124043e6b89e33@mail.gmail.com> A bit off topic, but: Does anyone know a place in town that might have a CRD-5440 Ultra SCSI RAID Controller for sale? Thanks -Jon From dryicezero at gmail.com Fri May 11 11:27:57 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Fri May 11 11:28:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle Message-ID: <319067990705110927p206a34c5m505fd1cd2e6b2ee0@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I have been contemplating trading in my Truck for a Hybrid. I will be moving to the Bay Area CA in August, and high gas prices plus city driving in that area tell me that I should get a hybrid. I was looking at a few, and I've pretty much settled on a Ford Escape 4WD hybrid or Mercury Mariner (Same thing). I just wanted to ask if anyone else on the list has a hybrid, what they like and dislike, and what kind of electrical tolerance the car would have. I have a habit of installing massive audio/video systems in all of my vehicles, and I want to put on in the hybrid too. I just don't know if it can handle it. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks, Ernest -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From davidcrockett at yahoo.com Fri May 11 12:12:40 2007 From: davidcrockett at yahoo.com (Henry Crockett) Date: Fri May 11 12:13:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle Message-ID: <379823.98641.qm@web56915.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I am not seeing the benefits of hybrid technology (yet). I think you would be much better off to buy a standard auto that gets good mileage rather than finance both the increased cost of the auto & the high maintenance of current battery technology. I would suggest something like the Honda Fit (38mpg), or if you just have to have a hybrid so you will be "accepted" in California - the Honda Civic Hybrid (51mpg). Expect to have a wait for your hybrid, they all the good ones seem to be back-ordered. Sorry if I sound like an ad for Honda, but I like to keep my cars for at least 10-15 years, hopefully without a bunch of maintenance and Honda/Acura really provides longevity. Good luck with the new job, & I hope that SF doesn't slide off into the Pacific while you are there ;) Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Associate Professor Computer Information Systems & Security, School of Business Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, TX 78207-4689 Voice: 210-434-6711 X8156 Fax: 210-434-0821 http://www.davidcrockett.net "Attract perfect customers by focusing on and specifically attracting the 20% of your customers who give you 80% of your profits." - The One Minute Millionaire, MV Hanson & RG Allen ----- Original Message ---- From: Ernest de Leon To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:27:57 AM Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle Hello Everyone, I have been contemplating trading in my Truck for a Hybrid. I will be moving to the Bay Area CA in August, and high gas prices plus city driving in that area tell me that I should get a hybrid. I was looking at a few, and I've pretty much settled on a Ford Escape 4WD hybrid or Mercury Mariner (Same thing). I just wanted to ask if anyone else on the list has a hybrid, what they like and dislike, and what kind of electrical tolerance the car would have. I have a habit of installing massive audio/video systems in all of my vehicles, and I want to put on in the hybrid too. I just don't know if it can handle it. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks, Ernest -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri May 11 12:27:40 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri May 11 12:28:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle In-Reply-To: <379823.98641.qm@web56915.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200705111727.l4BHReRI029632@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Also think about parking. The opportunities for parking in SF aren't Texas-sized. smaller is much better. I agree with Henry, a small gas car is probably a better deal/overall cost. -b. > > I am not seeing the benefits of hybrid technology (yet). I think you would be much better off to buy a standard auto that gets good mileage rather than finance both the increased cost of the auto & the high maintenance of current battery technology. I would suggest something like the Honda Fit (38mpg), or if you just have to have a hybrid so you will be "accepted" in California - the Honda Civic Hybrid (51mpg). Expect to have a wait for your hybrid, they all the good ones seem to be back-ordered. > > Sorry if I sound like an ad for Honda, but I like to keep my cars for at least 10-15 years, hopefully without a bunch of maintenance and Honda/Acura really provides longevity. > > Good luck with the new job, & I hope that SF doesn't slide off into the Pacific while you are there ;) > > Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Associate Professor > Computer Information Systems & Security, School of Business > Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, TX 78207-4689 > Voice: 210-434-6711 X8156 Fax: 210-434-0821 > http://www.davidcrockett.net > "Attract perfect customers by focusing on and specifically attracting the 20% of your customers who give you 80% of your profits." - The One Minute Millionaire, MV Hanson & RG Allen > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ernest de Leon > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:27:57 AM > Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle > > Hello Everyone, > > I have been contemplating trading in my Truck for a Hybrid. I will be > moving to the Bay Area CA in August, and high gas prices plus city driving > in that area tell me that I should get a hybrid. I was looking at a few, > and I've pretty much settled on a Ford Escape 4WD hybrid or Mercury Mariner > (Same thing). I just wanted to ask if anyone else on the list has a hybrid, > what they like and dislike, and what kind of electrical tolerance the car > would have. I have a habit of installing massive audio/video systems in all > of my vehicles, and I want to put on in the hybrid too. I just don't know > if it can handle it. Let me know what you guys think. > > Thanks, > Ernest > > -- > # Ernest De Leon > > "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dryicezero at gmail.com Fri May 11 12:53:04 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Fri May 11 12:53:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle In-Reply-To: <200705111727.l4BHReRI029632@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <379823.98641.qm@web56915.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200705111727.l4BHReRI029632@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <319067990705111053l22e4bcacw1126251efd9cd9a1@mail.gmail.com> I kind of agree with you both. I think hybrid technology has a way to go. The problem is that I am not a small guy, and i need something SUV size to feel comfortable. That's why I chose the SUV hybrid. Coupled with the fact that I get a 3000 tax credit and really good gas mileage is just a plus to me. Ford is also giving an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty on everything to include the hybrid system components. Keep in mind that I am going from a 1 ton Diesel 4x4 to this, so any reduction is a plus for me. I don't want the hybrid to 'fit in'....as far as I am concerned the majority of the people in the SF area are not the type I would 'hang out' with anyway. I just want something smaller, nice and that has some amenities. Believe me I would rather keep my truck, but as someone said, parking is a premium and city driving is the pits. I'm pretty sure part of my day is going to be commuting too with the company, so anything that can fit in a regular parking space and saves gas would do me well. I also like the fact that I can still get the SUV in 4WD for when I go off road hiking or camping. In addition the premium system has some nice amenities as far as navigation and a 320watt sound system. It also has a plug in for my iPod which makes a difference to me. I am actually giving up a lot to move out to California. I hate it there, but my fiancee found a great job there and its hard to find a job in her field. I, on the other hand, can work anywhere. That is my only reason for moving. I made an agreement that we can stay there for a few years, but eventually we have to come back to Texas. This is the only place I will ever consider 'home.' Any other opinions on hybrids? or regular gas SUVs that get good gas mileage? Thanks for all of your input. It helps to have people to bounce ideas off of. Ernest On 5/11/07, Borries Demeler wrote: > > Also think about parking. The opportunities for parking in SF aren't > Texas-sized. > smaller is much better. I agree with Henry, a small gas car is probably a > better > deal/overall cost. > -b. > > > > I am not seeing the benefits of hybrid technology (yet). I think you > would be much better off to buy a standard auto that gets good mileage > rather than finance both the increased cost of the auto & the high > maintenance of current battery technology. I would suggest something like > the Honda Fit (38mpg), or if you just have to have a hybrid so you will be > "accepted" in California - the Honda Civic Hybrid (51mpg). Expect to have a > wait for your hybrid, they all the good ones seem to be back-ordered. > > > > Sorry if I sound like an ad for Honda, but I like to keep my cars for at > least 10-15 years, hopefully without a bunch of maintenance and Honda/Acura > really provides longevity. > > > > Good luck with the new job, & I hope that SF doesn't slide off into the > Pacific while you are there ;) > > > > Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Associate Professor > > Computer Information Systems & Security, School of Business > > Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, TX 78207-4689 > > Voice: 210-434-6711 X8156 Fax: 210-434-0821 > > http://www.davidcrockett.net > > "Attract perfect customers by focusing on and specifically attracting > the 20% of your customers who give you 80% of your profits." - The One > Minute Millionaire, MV Hanson & RG Allen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Ernest de Leon > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:27:57 AM > > Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I have been contemplating trading in my Truck for a Hybrid. I will > be > > moving to the Bay Area CA in August, and high gas prices plus city > driving > > in that area tell me that I should get a hybrid. I was looking at a > few, > > and I've pretty much settled on a Ford Escape 4WD hybrid or Mercury > Mariner > > (Same thing). I just wanted to ask if anyone else on the list has a > hybrid, > > what they like and dislike, and what kind of electrical tolerance the > car > > would have. I have a habit of installing massive audio/video systems in > all > > of my vehicles, and I want to put on in the hybrid too. I just don't > know > > if it can handle it. Let me know what you guys think. > > > > Thanks, > > Ernest > > > > -- > > # Ernest De Leon > > > > "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From twistedpickles at gmail.com Fri May 11 13:42:35 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Fri May 11 13:42:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bandwith reports via email Message-ID: Anyone on the list familiar with bandwidth monitoring tools that can email results. I have the need to monitor results with an average of usage per hour. I know that iptables has capabilities to monitor but I'm not sure it can give me an average. It would also be great if I can monitor per ip and give brief description of usage such as ipsec, http, ftp and etc. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Fri May 11 14:02:33 2007 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Fri May 11 14:03:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bandwith reports via email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB472B8E@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> Well, I am using pfsense as a firewall for my servers and can get bandwidth usage charts now, at intervals, and by ip. Don't know if that helps you or not though. Art Sexton -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of twistedpickles Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:43 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Bandwith reports via email Anyone on the list familiar with bandwidth monitoring tools that can email results. I have the need to monitor results with an average of usage per hour. I know that iptables has capabilities to monitor but I'm not sure it can give me an average. It would also be great if I can monitor per ip and give brief description of usage such as ipsec, http, ftp and etc. -- ::twistedPickles:: : -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From viennetto at yahoo.com Fri May 11 14:10:31 2007 From: viennetto at yahoo.com (Christian Osso) Date: Fri May 11 14:10:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle In-Reply-To: <319067990705110927p206a34c5m505fd1cd2e6b2ee0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <618466.80582.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This reminds me of a Conan O'Brien monologue joke: This item from the news: certain religious groups have been boycotting Ford... because even after warning the company, it continues to advertise in gay media. Meanwhile, most consumers have also been boycotting Ford... ...because it continues to make Fords. Ernest de Leon wrote: Hello Everyone, I have been contemplating trading in my Truck for a Hybrid. I will be moving to the Bay Area CA in August, and high gas prices plus city driving in that area tell me that I should get a hybrid. I was looking at a few, and I've pretty much settled on a Ford Escape 4WD hybrid or Mercury Mariner (Same thing). I just wanted to ask if anyone else on the list has a hybrid, what they like and dislike, and what kind of electrical tolerance the car would have. I have a habit of installing massive audio/video systems in all of my vehicles, and I want to put on in the hybrid too. I just don't know if it can handle it. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks, Ernest -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. From satlugacct at jchampion.com Fri May 11 16:16:37 2007 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (satlugacct@jchampion.com) Date: Fri May 11 16:11:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] does anyone know anything about SATAI? SalsaNet? Message-ID: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> Hi, Many moons ago when I worked with Road Runner, SalsaNet was kind of a "who's who" of SA's IT community thinkers and SATAI didn't exist. I figure that the only way that I'm going to get out of this doldrum that I'm in at my employment is to network and make a name for myself outside of these four walls and my friends. Does anyone have any dealings with these groups? Feel free to email me offlist and let me know if I'm barking up the right tree. Thanks! John From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri May 11 16:17:06 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri May 11 16:17:28 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] does anyone know anything about SATAI? SalsaNet? In-Reply-To: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <102280.64741.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> only thing I know is that salsa goes good w/chips and enchiladas. hopefully that gets you on the right track.. lol -Alex --- satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Hi, > > Many moons ago when I worked with Road Runner, > SalsaNet was kind of a > "who's who" of SA's IT community thinkers and SATAI > didn't exist. > > I figure that the only way that I'm going to get out > of this doldrum > that I'm in at my employment is to network and make > a name for myself > outside of these four walls and my friends. > > Does anyone have any dealings with these groups? > Feel free to email me > offlist and let me know if I'm barking up the right > tree. > > Thanks! > John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 11 16:21:13 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 11 16:23:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Hybrid Vehicle In-Reply-To: <319067990705111053l22e4bcacw1126251efd9cd9a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <379823.98641.qm@web56915.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200705111727.l4BHReRI029632@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <319067990705111053l22e4bcacw1126251efd9cd9a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/11/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > I kind of agree with you both. I think hybrid technology has a way to go. > The problem is that I am not a small guy, and i need something SUV size to > feel comfortable. That's why I chose the SUV hybrid. If you check the Consumer Reports information on vehicles, either online or in their various print publications, you'll find that Toyota vehicles frequently score at or near the top for comfort for both extremely tall and extremely short drivers, and they frequently score at or near the top in almost all other categories, too. The Toyota Highlander is the same basic model as the Lexus RX330, just with a slightly different bodystyle, maybe some different accessories inside, etc.... It also has a hybrid version. So far as I can tell, there is no Hybrid version of any other Toyota SUV. Honda doesn't seem to have any hybrid SUV, either. The CR "Best in class: Fuel-efficient vehicles" page is at , while their "Best in class: SUVs, wagons, & pickups" page is at . The CR page comparing the room available for the various seats is at , and you can sort by shoulder room, leg room, head room, etc... for the front, read, or third seats for all vehicles tested by CR. They have an "exterior & cargo" dimension page linked from the top, which you might also be interested in. For example, let's compare room in the front seats for all vehicles that CR tested, sorted by shoulder room (in inches): Make/Model Shoulder Leg Head Hummer H2 66.5 41.0 3.5 Infiniti QX 65.0 NA NA Nissan Armada 65.0 41.5 6.0 Chevrolet Tahoe 64.5 41.0 7.0 Chevrolet Suburban 64.5 41.5 3.5 GMC Yukon XL 64.5 41.5 3.5 GMC Yukon 64.5 41.0 7.0 Cadillac Escalade 64.0 40.0 3.0 Lincoln Navigator 63.0 40.0 4.0 Ford Expedition 63.0 40.0 4.0 Saturn Outlook 62.0 41.0 3.5 Toyota Sequoia 62.0 41.0 5.0 Buick Enclave 62.0 41.0 3.5 GMC Acadia 62.0 41.0 3.5 Lexus LX 61.5 NA NA Toyota Land Cruiser 61.5 40.0 3.5 Acura MDX 61.5 41.0 4.5 Honda Pilot 61.0 41.0 7.5 Land Rover Range Rover 61.0 41.0 5.0 Chrysler Pacifica 61.0 41.0 5.5 Hyundai Veracruz 60.5 NA NA Nissan Murano 60.0 40.0 3.5 Mazda CX-9 59.5 NA NA Lincoln MKX 59.5 40.5 3.0 BMW X5 59.5 40.5 3.5 Hyundai Santa Fe 59.5 41.0 3.0 Land Rover LR3 59.5 41.0 5.5 Mercedes-Benz R-Class 59.5 41.5 3.5 Jeep Grand Cherokee 59.0 42.0 3.0 Land Rover Range Rover 59.0 41.0 3.5 Ford Edge 59.0 NA NA Jeep Commander 59.0 42.0 4.5 Buick Rendezvous 59.0 40.0 4.5 Saab 9-7X 59.0 41.0 5.5 Chrysler Aspen 59.0 41.0 3.5 Dodge Durango 59.0 41.0 3.5 Cadillac SRX 59.0 41.0 6.0 GMC Envoy 58.5 40.0 2.5 Ford Explorer 58.5 40.5 2.5 Isuzu Ascender 58.5 40.0 2.5 Toyota FJ Cruiser 58.5 40.0 5.0 Kia Sorento 58.5 40.0 3.0 Buick Rainier 58.5 40.0 2.5 Mitsubishi Endeavor 58.5 41.5 4.5 Mercury Mountaineer 58.5 40.5 2.5 Chevrolet TrailBlazer 58.5 40.0 2.5 Ford Freestyle 58.0 40.5 3.0 Toyota 4Runner 58.0 41.0 3.0 Audi Q7 58.0 42.0 4.0 Subaru B9 Tribeca 58.0 41.5 4.5 Nissan Xterra 58.0 41.0 4.0 Nissan Pathfinder 58.0 38.0 3.0 Mitsubishi Montero 58.0 41.0 4.5 Volvo XC90 58.0 40.5 4.0 Mazda CX-7 57.5 41.5 3.0 Lexus RX 57.5 41.0 3.0 Lexus GX 57.5 41.5 4.0 Acura RDX 57.5 40.5 4.0 Volkswagen Touareg 57.5 41.0 4.0 Toyota Highlander 57.5 41.0 4.0 Mercedes-Benz M-Class 57.5 42.0 6.0 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class 57.0 42.0 5.5 Toyota RAV4 57.0 41.5 6.5 Dodge Nitro 57.0 41.5 3.5 Honda Element 57.0 41.0 7.5 Mazda Tribute 56.5 40.5 4.5 Honda CR-V 56.5 41.0 4.0 Volvo V70/XC70 56.5 41.5 3.5 Ford Escape 56.5 40.5 4.5 Mercury Mariner 56.5 40.5 4.5 Jeep Wrangler 56.0 41.0 5.5 Jeep Liberty 56.0 40.0 6.0 Suzuki Grand Vitara 56.0 41.5 5.0 Saturn Vue 56.0 42.0 6.0 Audi A6 56.0 42.0 3.0 Mitsubishi Outlander 56.0 41.0 4.5 Chevrolet Equinox 55.5 41.0 4.0 Kia Sportage 55.5 41.0 5.0 Suzuki XL-7 55.5 41.0 6.0 Infiniti FX 55.5 42.5 4.5 Pontiac Torrent 55.5 41.0 4.0 Hyundai Tucson 55.5 41.0 5.0 BMW X3 55.0 41.5 4.0 Jeep Patriot 54.5 NA NA Jeep Compass 54.0 41.5 6.5 Subaru Legacy 54.0 41.0 2.5 Hummer H3 54.0 42.0 4.0 Subaru Forester 53.0 41.5 2.0 Keep in mind that I've had to do some hand-editing of this table, including deleting some cases where the same model showed up more than once and appeared to have the same dimensions in these categories. But that Ford Escape lists pretty low here, with just 56.5 inches of shoulder room. > Coupled with the fact > that I get a 3000 tax credit and really good gas mileage is just a plus to > me. Ford is also giving an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty on everything to > include the hybrid system components. Keep in mind that I am going from a 1 > ton Diesel 4x4 to this, so any reduction is a plus for me. CR got 26mpg with their Hybrid Escape, while only 18mpg with the V6 gasoline model. The more highly rated hybrid SUVs (on the pages at the links shown above) tended to get in the 22-24mpg range. Here are the CR Recommended small SUV models (based on performing well in CR's tests, average or better reliability, and good overall crash protection based on insurance and government tests): Honda CR-V Honda Element Hyundai Tucson Jeep Liberty Kia Sorento Lexus RX Nissan Xterra Pontiac Torrent Subaru Baja Subaru Forester Toyota Highlander Toyota RAV4 Of these, the only one that seems to have a hybrid model is the Toyota Highlander/Lexus RX. And there are only three of the above that get CR's "second tier" rating (all requirements for first-tier recommendation, plus front-offset and side-crash tests by IIHS and very good or excellent overall crash protection), namely the Honda CR-V, the Subaru Forester, and the Toyota RAV4. The Ford Escape doesn't show up on any of those lists, in part because the owner satisfaction rating is "worse than average", the depreciation is "average", there isn't enough predicted reliability information available, it got only an "Acceptable" rating in the IIHS front-offset crash test, did only "average" in the government front crash test, as well as "average" in the government roll-over tests for both 2WD and 4WD modes. Overall, the reliability average for this model is "better than average" when you take previous years into account, but the hybrid version is new and it's hard to predict how it will perform. > In > addition the premium system has some nice amenities as far as navigation and > a 320watt sound system. I can't speak for the Ford Escape, but I know that on all hybrids I've ever seen, the entertainment system is integral to the car, with an LCD screen that is used for GPS navigation, displaying information about the radio or CD you're listening to, information about how the hybrid system is performing, etc.... That's not something you can just rip out. If the Ford Escape doesn't already come with the extremely powerful audio system that you require, it may be very difficult to add that in as an aftermarket option. > It also has a plug in for my iPod which makes a > difference to me. I am actually giving up a lot to move out to California. > I hate it there, but my fiancee found a great job there and its hard to find > a job in her field. I, on the other hand, can work anywhere. That is my > only reason for moving. That's basically the same reason why my wife and I moved to Belgium, and lived there for almost eight years. She got a job as a senior lawyer in a company that was a subsidiary of the investment bank JP Morgan, and I could work anywhere. In your case, I imagine that you really can get pretty good jobs out there, but I found it pretty hard finding good jobs for me while we were in Belgium. Not being able to speak the language and not being from that culture made it extremely difficult. We've been living in Austin now for over a year, neither of us has jobs yet, and I'm not sure when either of us are going to be getting them. It's taking us a very long time to get back into the swing of things here. > I made an agreement that we can stay there for a > few years, but eventually we have to come back to Texas. This is the only > place I will ever consider 'home.' Any other opinions on hybrids? or > regular gas SUVs that get good gas mileage? Try them out. Do your research online or in magazines, but there's no substitute for trying them out. Even if you're not going to buy anything until you get moved out there, go to dealers in your local area and talk to them, arrange for test drives, etc.... And don't pass up a good nearly-new vehicle. We got our Lexus RX330 for a *steal*, because the RX350s and the hybrid RX400h had just come out, and a lot of people were trading in vehicles that were just a year or two old, in order to make the upgrade. Our RX330 is loaded with virtually every single option you can possibly get (including the camera which displays what's behind you while you're backing up and the rear seat DVD entertainment system), for less than we would have paid for an entry-level brand-new model -- and less than we would have paid for a top-of-the-line Toyota Avensis sedan, which wasn't as comfortable and didn't have as many options. And because it's a Lexus, we get their excellent service, and we got literally zero pressure from the sales guys. They told us what the official price was, we told them about our situation and what we were comparing against, then asked them to find out what their best price would be, and they came down by several thousand dollars, to a value that was within the range were looking for. I've had more sales pressure at CompUSA, where any of several different associates accosted me when I came in the front door and were desperate to help me find what I was looking for, so that they could put a sticker on the back of the item with their employee number on it. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 11 16:22:46 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 11 16:23:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Bandwith reports via email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/11/07, twistedpickles wrote: > Anyone on the list familiar with bandwidth monitoring tools that can > email results. I have the need to monitor results with an average of > usage per hour. I know that iptables has capabilities to monitor but > I'm not sure it can give me an average. It would also be great if I > can monitor per ip and give brief description of usage such as ipsec, > http, ftp and etc. Well, mrtg can give you graphical charts, and I don't see how it would be too difficult to pull text information out of the same round-robin database (rrd) tables for a report sent via e-mail. Other than that, I'd look at existing services that exist like this on the 'net, and try to figure out how they're doing it. There may be some simple and well-known tools in this area. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From jmeridth at gmail.com Fri May 11 16:50:47 2007 From: jmeridth at gmail.com (Jason Meridth) Date: Fri May 11 16:51:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] does anyone know anything about SATAI? SalsaNet? In-Reply-To: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <40c179300705111450x69ace49ude16d4339f695ca7@mail.gmail.com> Myself a few guys have started Alamo Coders (for developers). Currently it is focused on .NET Development, but we are branching into languages like Ruby and Python soon. Our website is alamocoders.net. We are currently at the Alamo PC facilities but will be moving in June to SAC. This month the meeting is on 5/24 at the Alamo PC facilities (CrossRoads mall) and next month forward it will be at SAC (2nd Tuesday of every month). I'm currently learning .NET Programming with Mono on Linux. Fun fun. (To define how it's relavent to this group). =) On 5/11/07, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Many moons ago when I worked with Road Runner, SalsaNet was kind of a > "who's who" of SA's IT community thinkers and SATAI didn't exist. > > I figure that the only way that I'm going to get out of this doldrum > that I'm in at my employment is to network and make a name for myself > outside of these four walls and my friends. > > Does anyone have any dealings with these groups? Feel free to email me > offlist and let me know if I'm barking up the right tree. > > Thanks! > John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- --- Jason Meridth jmeridth@gmail.com Blog: http://lostechies.com/blogs/jason_meridth Alamo Coders: http://www.alamocoders.net From sean.crandall at ieee.org Fri May 11 19:18:14 2007 From: sean.crandall at ieee.org (Sean Crandall) Date: Fri May 11 19:18:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] does anyone know anything about SATAI? SalsaNet? In-Reply-To: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <464507C6.7090705@ieee.org> satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Hi, > > Many moons ago when I worked with Road Runner, SalsaNet was kind of a > "who's who" of SA's IT community thinkers and SATAI didn't exist. > > I figure that the only way that I'm going to get out of this doldrum > that I'm in at my employment is to network and make a name for myself > outside of these four walls and my friends. > > Does anyone have any dealings with these groups? Feel free to email me > offlist and let me know if I'm barking up the right tree. > I don't know anything about SalsaNet, but I've been to a couple of SATAI things with Jackson Walker (law firm I'm starting with in August). SATAI has ties to UTSA's College of Engineering and a bunch of tech firms in SA. Also, they do something with Texas' Emerging Technology Fund, which provides some non-trivial funding to tech startups in Texas. They sometimes have "town hall" type meetings that are a good opportunity to mix with people. If you're interested, e-mail me off list and I'll put you in touch with a local attorney who does a lot of stuff with them. She should be able to tell you when their events are and how to get involved. -- Sean Crandall Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number 'e'. From lnx4vr at 2fords.net Fri May 11 19:45:45 2007 From: lnx4vr at 2fords.net (tim) Date: Fri May 11 19:45:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ibm thinkpad Message-ID: <20070511194545.67cec6e2@ubuntu.localdomain> I recently bought a cheap old laptop, Ibm 390e, and everything has been what I expected, slow, not enough storage, maximum memory is more like minimum memory, but it worked. Last night I booted dsl-n from cd and I decided to close the lid to make sure suspend wasn't working (!) and it froze. I did press the fn key and various F keys but eventually shutdown manually. When I rebooted instead of a normal post with processor speed, etc, I had a splash screen with Ibm at top right corner and a bold Thinkpad lower left. And telling me to press F1 to enter bios utility. Whether I waited and did not press any keys or pressed F1 I was taken to the bios utility. Then two symbols appeared and normally I would at that point press enter, and OK would print and then I would be into the utility. But now enter displays a small x, pressing enter again, and then again, displays a hand with a slash through it. I guess it wants a password, but I have not set any passwords, and so far have not needed one. I have been playing with several different distros and have had a few lockups, but each time turning off and on and back in business. I did decide to check the cmos battery and it was nearly dead. I have been losing time and should have checked sooner. But replacing it didn't change anything. I know long story, but if anyone has any suggestions other than buying another I would like to hear them. From dacrummie at gmail.com Fri May 11 20:29:20 2007 From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie) Date: Fri May 11 20:29:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ibm thinkpad In-Reply-To: <20070511194545.67cec6e2@ubuntu.localdomain> References: <20070511194545.67cec6e2@ubuntu.localdomain> Message-ID: So far I've been able to answer any questions about Thinkpads from this site: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki If you can't find any help there you may want to try and flash the BIOS, good luck. -- Dale Crummie The box said: "Requires Windows 95 or better." So I installed LINUX From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri May 11 23:41:35 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Sat May 12 00:57:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] does anyone know anything about SATAI? SalsaNet? In-Reply-To: <464507C6.7090705@ieee.org> References: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> <464507C6.7090705@ieee.org> Message-ID: <200705112341.36039.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 11 May 2007 19:18, Sean Crandall wrote: [...] > I don't know anything about SalsaNet, I help the founder of Salsa-net with his server at Rackspace now and then. Contact me if you want me to hook you up with him. (I think that he also lurks on this list). Tweeks From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat May 12 11:22:55 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat May 12 11:23:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] kdevelop Message-ID: <200705121622.l4CGMtdP029609@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I'm wondering of anyone ever came across this problem: The hotkeys in Kdevelop don't work for me. (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, for copy & paste, for example). Any suggestions? They are all defined in the menu, and the actions work if I use the menu entry. Strange... -b. From riugakusei at aim.com Sat May 12 11:46:02 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Sat May 12 11:46:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ipod Managers Message-ID: <8C962CC28E3B1D1-95C-121C7@MBLK-R03.sysops.aol.com> hi there, does anyone know about any Ipod Managers, i''ve been using for a while Yamipod so far its been great but lately its giving me lots of error messages. it won't even load the music from my ipod into my computer, . I've tried to use Amarok, but it crashes. Any Advice on any other ipod managers that i can use.? Medardo Vega ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net Sat May 12 16:44:29 2007 From: albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net (mike sullivan) Date: Sat May 12 16:44:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Enjoyed the show today. Looking forward to 6-30 for next one Message-ID: <4646353D.4090009@sbcglobal.net> And among other things that I mentioned was that Shipit was again processing orders for Ubuntu 7.04 and that I was awaiting my copies. Wouldn't you know it they were in my mail box when I got home. Great timing. Course the great timing also continued with my $30.00 Telephone Tax rebate check from the IRS being in the mail as well today. Could have used it to good advantage as well today. :-( . Mike From leon36 at gmail.com Sun May 13 11:05:01 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Sun May 13 11:05:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ipod Managers In-Reply-To: <8C962CC28E3B1D1-95C-121C7@MBLK-R03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C962CC28E3B1D1-95C-121C7@MBLK-R03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4647372D.3090002@gmail.com> riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > hi there, does anyone know about any Ipod Managers, i''ve been using for a while Yamipod so far its been great but lately its giving me lots of error messages. it won't even load the music from my ipod into my computer, . > I've tried to use Amarok, but it crashes. Any Advice on any other ipod managers that i can use.? > > Medardo Vega > > I use amarok, I have never had a crash problem. What version of amarok and libgpod are you using? Sam From riugakusei at aim.com Sun May 13 11:21:13 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Sun May 13 11:21:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ipod Managers In-Reply-To: <4647372D.3090002@gmail.com> References: <8C962CC28E3B1D1-95C-121C7@MBLK-R03.sysops.aol.com> <4647372D.3090002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C96391DC123D09-FD0-46@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> amarok-1.4.5-101.guru.suse102 its not crashing anymore... do u know how to transfer the album covers and playlists? Medar -----Original Message----- From: leon36@gmail.com To: satlug@satlug.org Sent: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Ipod Managers riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > hi there, does anyone know about any Ipod Managers, i''ve been using for a while Yamipod so far its been great but lately its giving me lots of error messages. it won't even load the music from my ipod into my computer, . > I've tried to use Amarok, but it crashes. Any Advice on any other ipod managers that i can use.? > > Medardo Vega > > I use amarok, I have never had a crash problem. What version of amarok and libgpod are you using? Sam -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From leon36 at gmail.com Sun May 13 11:24:43 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Sun May 13 11:25:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ipod Managers In-Reply-To: <8C96391DC123D09-FD0-46@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C962CC28E3B1D1-95C-121C7@MBLK-R03.sysops.aol.com> <4647372D.3090002@gmail.com> <8C96391DC123D09-FD0-46@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46473BCB.20208@gmail.com> riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > amarok-1.4.5-101.guru.suse102 > its not crashing anymore... do u know how to transfer the album covers and playlists? > > Medar > > I am not sure if that is possible. I know everyone is always complaining about it. Maybe dig around on the ubuntu forums? Sam From twistedpickles at gmail.com Sun May 13 13:36:51 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Sun May 13 13:35:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Ipod Managers Message-ID: <46475a43.13ad9d7b.6c76.2d4c@mx.google.com> I use amarok aswell it's a great alternative to itunes. I have never been successful in 'syncing' it with my ipod. This maybe partly because I replaced the ipod firmware with rockbox. I transfer all my music manually as one would do with an external HD. ::twistedpickles :: : -----Original Message----- From: "Samuel Leon" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: 05/13/07 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Ipod Managers riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > amarok-1.4.5-101.guru.suse102 > its not crashing anymore... do u know how to transfer the album covers and playlists? > > Medar > > I am not sure if that is possible. I know everyone is always complaining about it. Maybe dig around on the ubuntu forums? Sam -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From hector.bojorquez at gmail.com Sun May 13 18:02:13 2007 From: hector.bojorquez at gmail.com (Hector Bojorquez) Date: Sun May 13 18:02:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world Message-ID: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> Microsoft takes on the free world Microsoft claims that free software like Linux, which runs a big chunk of corporate America, violates 235 of its patents. It wants royalties from distributors and users. Users like you, maybe. Fortune's Roger Parloff reports. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ From jmeridth at gmail.com Sun May 13 18:07:35 2007 From: jmeridth at gmail.com (Jason Meridth) Date: Sun May 13 18:07:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40c179300705131607t23a1f464tbf226a0f31c3f37c@mail.gmail.com> Just read it. They're grasping for straws. We'll see what happens when they start suing their clients like the RIAA does. It will also hopefully put the spotlight back on how frivolous the patent office in the U.S. has been the past 2 decades. Jason From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun May 13 18:12:52 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun May 13 18:13:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <40c179300705131607t23a1f464tbf226a0f31c3f37c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> <40c179300705131607t23a1f464tbf226a0f31c3f37c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46479B74.8070405@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jason Meridth wrote: > Just read it. They're grasping for straws. We'll see what happens when > they start suing their clients like the RIAA does. I stopped reading when I saw: Microsoft counters that it is a matter of principle. "We live in a world where we honor, and support the honoring of, intellectual property," says Ballmer in an interview. FOSS patrons are going to have to "play by the same rules as the rest of the business," he insists. "What's fair is fair." What M$ is bitching about, is that they're not getting -all- of the dollars spent in the world on computing. They're whining, is what they're doing. -- From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Sun May 13 19:28:26 2007 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Sun May 13 19:28:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <46479B74.8070405@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> <40c179300705131607t23a1f464tbf226a0f31c3f37c@mail.gmail.com> <46479B74.8070405@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <294cd3d10705131728rc4d24b1x589b30695d3196fa@mail.gmail.com> not only are they whining, they are loosing market shares, the only ones I've met that actually like that new release are those that only know M$ and no other OS... On 5/13/07, Geoff wrote: > > Jason Meridth wrote: > > Just read it. They're grasping for straws. We'll see what happens when > > they start suing their clients like the RIAA does. > > I stopped reading when I saw: > > Microsoft counters that it is a matter of principle. "We live in a world > where we honor, and support the honoring of, intellectual property," > says Ballmer in an interview. FOSS patrons are going to have to "play by > the same rules as the rest of the business," he insists. "What's fair is > fair." > > What M$ is bitching about, is that they're not getting -all- of the > dollars spent in the world on computing. > > They're whining, is what they're doing. > > -- > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun May 13 19:49:59 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun May 13 19:50:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4647B237.3070008@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hector Bojorquez wrote: > Microsoft takes on the free world > Microsoft claims that free software like Linux, which runs a big chunk > of corporate America, violates 235 of its patents. It wants royalties > from distributors and users. Users like you, maybe. Fortune's Roger > Parloff reports. > > > http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ > OH TEH NOES! I am mortified. Terrified. Shaking in my shoes. So much fear it is truly palpable. Already I hear the tromp of Microsoft's boots. Repent, ye linux users, or suffer the consequences! - -- David Kowis www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRkeyN8nf+vRw63ObAQrpngwAs6Ft6QK0tUIc3Bk3Vs04NnK47rq3BZ7L EnEaeh37YRVma0Vsvl6tT8zsKf7ViFM5xUCXc5zEalVjH/QnI/HEqvxGMZ1Zf4w7 SqlJG7PSlda/XyrxdFdHcWKL+pOuTJLNV0d5wL4VdvyIa6fBKniQNshsUAeZh6DB xVZZcKIhNsq/a9YHRUHgF/+TRNFAkeAdGbRY1g6PxcPADXhVUCUIAbDZ3BSwjD8m OjjlHOe4w6Lsy0jaEhRBLmuZwmDKBEIirGrzYVAhOy7U16XNhEulBWTcKcDI4Ahn fPV/0IbQ46D0BAzfndPa4boDOOM4lEeSjnyYX6nX4sILZ8eeqvbG43AmTemRMU0L EUXejL5uqMzbe4OV1a3rU1V4CJZ3y+ZSV0B1l7RW4cI50Vx0QCDnMZUpyipKoaSt 7xWoY0WRejsBALZM0TiCXa4XE6R/QUTc9nEdZp4SLWAJ6j4pQ2WcIDnZKvtMkTxP XM5OsQAVwzxZoLK8usjds9QPkgLjQ3Qm =wbqp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun May 13 20:07:57 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun May 13 20:08:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10705131728rc4d24b1x589b30695d3196fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> <40c179300705131607t23a1f464tbf226a0f31c3f37c@mail.gmail.com> <46479B74.8070405@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <294cd3d10705131728rc4d24b1x589b30695d3196fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4647B66D.7060803@w5omr.shacknet.nu> country wrote: > not only are they whining, they are loosing market shares, the only ones > I've met that actually like that new release are those that only know > M$ and > no other OS... Unfortunatly, that's still 80% of the worlds computer users. Note, I said 'users'. Admin folks make claims now that close to 50% (or better) of the servers in the world are running Linux. I wish I could reference that... -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From hector.bojorquez at gmail.com Sun May 13 20:14:48 2007 From: hector.bojorquez at gmail.com (Hector Bojorquez) Date: Sun May 13 20:15:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <4647B66D.7060803@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> <40c179300705131607t23a1f464tbf226a0f31c3f37c@mail.gmail.com> <46479B74.8070405@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <294cd3d10705131728rc4d24b1x589b30695d3196fa@mail.gmail.com> <4647B66D.7060803@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <2470980d0705131814k59471c05u9c24e8ae3b6b3756@mail.gmail.com> Could they pull this off though? If you read far enough-- they are trudging out IP in their patents-- which is ludicrous..... but they're not stupid enough to pull something out unless they think they've got SOME sort of claim.. and what about the GUI.... What the hell is that about? Which Desktop manager? It's almost laughable until you stop and think that these bastards don't play to lose On 5/13/07, Geoff wrote: > country wrote: > > not only are they whining, they are loosing market shares, the only ones > > I've met that actually like that new release are those that only know > > M$ and > > no other OS... > > Unfortunatly, that's still 80% of the worlds computer users. Note, I > said 'users'. Admin folks make claims now that close to 50% (or better) > of the servers in the world are running Linux. > > I wish I could reference that... > > > -- > 73 = Best Regards, > -Geoff/W5OMR > > A: Yes. > > > Q: Are you sure? > > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > > >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From curt.bryson at gmail.com Sun May 13 22:38:01 2007 From: curt.bryson at gmail.com (Curt Bryson (GMail)) Date: Sun May 13 22:38:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1179113881.15894.3.camel@karatekid.linux> It's SO on, now. Can't sue the authors? Extort the users. On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 18:02 -0500, Hector Bojorquez wrote: > Microsoft takes on the free world > Microsoft claims that free software like Linux, which runs a big chunk > of corporate America, violates 235 of its patents. It wants royalties > from distributors and users. Users like you, maybe. Fortune's Roger > Parloff reports. > > > http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Mon May 14 06:00:01 2007 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Mon May 14 06:00:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <4647B66D.7060803@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> <40c179300705131607t23a1f464tbf226a0f31c3f37c@mail.gmail.com> <46479B74.8070405@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <294cd3d10705131728rc4d24b1x589b30695d3196fa@mail.gmail.com> <4647B66D.7060803@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <294cd3d10705140400r52ced9c8v1ccc31ccbc296b6d@mail.gmail.com> At the store I work, I put Santa Fe Linux on CD in the PC's there, to thwart the kids that come in and try to play with the systems. It seems the kids, and some adults, try to install and start the clock ticking on some of the software that has a 'trial' period prior to purchase. I have sold systems, and have been asked to install the Linux in lieu of the latest release, along with open office for them. Everybody I know is upset with the new 'anti piracy' routine in there, that calls home and reports what you are running on your system. They ALL feel it is an invasion of privacy.. On 5/13/07, Geoff wrote: > > country wrote: > > not only are they whining, they are loosing market shares, the only ones > > I've met that actually like that new release are those that only know > > M$ and > > no other OS... > > Unfortunatly, that's still 80% of the worlds computer users. Note, I > said 'users'. Admin folks make claims now that close to 50% (or better) > of the servers in the world are running Linux. > > I wish I could reference that... > > > -- > 73 = Best Regards, > -Geoff/W5OMR > > A: Yes. > > > Q: Are you sure? > > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > > >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From afcasta at texas.net Mon May 14 07:46:50 2007 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Mon May 14 07:47:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] does anyone know anything about SATAI? SalsaNet? In-Reply-To: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> References: <20070511161637.v6pvo3ibk0wg48kg@webmail.jchampion.com> Message-ID: <1179146810.18112.24.camel@phrodo.texas.net> On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 16:16 -0500, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: > Hi, > > Many moons ago when I worked with Road Runner, SalsaNet was kind of a > "who's who" of SA's IT community thinkers and SATAI didn't exist. > > I figure that the only way that I'm going to get out of this doldrum > that I'm in at my employment is to network and make a name for myself > outside of these four walls and my friends. > > Does anyone have any dealings with these groups? Feel free to email me > offlist and let me know if I'm barking up the right tree. Before Road Runner came to town, SalsaNet was supposed to become the San Antonio cog in the FreeNet collection of .orgs that collapsed around 1995. There are still some sterling examples of community based freenets like the Rio Grande Freenet rgfn.org and the Alachua County Freenet afn.org in Florida. They all started off with academic sponsorship (rgfn.org was rgfn.epcc.edu and afn.org was freenet.ufl.edu). Sadly, SalsaNet never agreed to associate with the vallejos although when I was a member of rgfn, we invited them down several times, and instead of being a community based freenet it became a social club for members of the Chambers of Commerce. I wasn't a vallejo, but was a military linguist who helped out with technical jargon in the users guides. We got published at http://lingnet.army.mil as a resource for bilingual newspapers and area guides when Chuck Tetlow was the system administrator out at DLI in Monterey, CA. SalsaNet's website is still prattling on about becoming a FreeNet, but they were saying that when SATLUG was founded. Al Castanoli Proud recipient of several SalsaNet brushoffs. From WSIMONDS at satx.rr.com Mon May 14 09:32:11 2007 From: WSIMONDS at satx.rr.com (WSIMONDS@satx.rr.com) Date: Mon May 14 10:09:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Install an OS on an external drive. Message-ID: I wish to install Linux on an external drive ( an HD My Book 1160 GB). I am not very PC literate so am hesitant in trying to do this on my own. I followed mfg instructions and partitioned the drive for the max amt for 1 partition. Would like to have explicet instructions on how to install Linux on the hd without the technical jargon, just plain language. I will appreciate any help I can get. Bill at wsimonds@satx.rr.com From donguitar at gmail.com Mon May 14 10:26:53 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Mon May 14 10:27:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Install an OS on an external drive. References: Message-ID: <001e01c7963c$4dc29370$1208a8c0@dec842502> > I wish to install Linux on an external drive ( an HD My Book 1160 > GB). I am not very PC literate so am hesitant in trying to do this on > my own. I followed mfg instructions and partitioned the drive for the > max amt for 1 partition. Would like to have explicet instructions on > how to install Linux on the hd without the technical jargon, just > plain language. I will appreciate any help I can get. > Have you selected a distribution you'd like to try? If not, what are you requirements for the operating system in this instance? Don Crowder From victor.trevino at gmail.com Mon May 14 11:30:05 2007 From: victor.trevino at gmail.com (Victor I. Trevino) Date: Mon May 14 11:30:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Install an OS on an external drive. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is not very hard at all. However, if you expect a response from us, expect a lot of technical jargon. :) What kind of drive is it? Is it on a USB, FireWire, SCSI/SATA, or Ethernet interface? Are you sure your PC is capable of booting from an external drive? I doubt you can boot from a FireWire drive so you'd have to go with USB or SCSI. You don't need to tell us how to bill you - LUGs support users for free, unless, of course, you expect someone to do it for you :) As Donguitar asked, what distribution are you planning on installing? Do you want userfriendliness, stability, or...? If you're not very PC literate, try Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS. Do your research beforehand. On 5/14/07, WSIMONDS@satx.rr.com wrote: > > I wish to install Linux on an external drive ( an HD My Book 1160 > GB). I am not very PC literate so am hesitant in trying to do this on > my own. I followed mfg instructions and partitioned the drive for the > max amt for 1 partition. Would like to have explicet instructions on > how to install Linux on the hd without the technical jargon, just > plain language. I will appreciate any help I can get. > > Bill at wsimonds@satx.rr.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Mon May 14 12:39:19 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Mon May 14 12:39:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] kdevelop In-Reply-To: <200705121622.l4CGMtdP029609@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <750732.40295.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Borries Demeler wrote: I'm wondering of anyone ever came across this problem: The hotkeys in Kdevelop don't work for me. (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, for copy & paste, for example). Any suggestions? They are all defined in the menu, and the actions work if I use the menu entry. Strange... -b. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) There is another way to do this without ctrl c and ctrl v. Highlight the text that you want and then push your mouse scroll button in to paste it. --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. From j at jvpappas.net Mon May 14 13:23:25 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon May 14 13:23:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <240FE6D667B3AC4AB1C05C4CDB64DEB20157FEB4@SAT4MX03.RACKSPACE.CORP> References: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> <240FE6D667B3AC4AB1C05C4CDB64DEB20157FEB4@SAT4MX03.RACKSPACE.CORP> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450705141123y705e8f59vf6e9335a4674d881@mail.gmail.com> Hey Sean, The problem resolved? I am running similar setups for SSH, so let me know the status and we can work it out. There problem is with your keys (host or personal) that is not allowing the key-based authentication to continue. Once we get past that, the port reflection should be reasonably straight forward to fix. Thanks! John On 5/8/07, Tameika Reed wrote: > > You should look in your /etc/hosts.deny file. > Usually it is blocked in and placed in that file > > ________________________________ > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org on behalf of Sean Carolan > Sent: Fri 5/4/2007 4:11 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem > > > > Maybe someone can help me figure this out. I have three machines, > let's call them apple, banana and cherry. Apple is my workstation, > banana is a box that I can SSH to, and cherry is only available from > banana. > > If I run these commands everything works fine: > > $ ssh -L 2022:cherry:22 banana > $ ssh localhost -p 2022 > > And I get immediately connected to cherry with no problem. > > When I try to put these settings into my ~/.ssh/config file I get this > error on the client: > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > And this error on the server: > channel 47: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed > > Here is a copy of my ~/.ssh/config file: > > **************** > Host banana > Hostname banana.full.domain.name > LocalForward 21031 cherry.full.domain.name:22 > > Host cherry > Hostname localhost > Port 21031 > HostKeyAlias cherry > *************** > > What's really frustrating is that the config file works fine for some > hosts, but not for others. There are about six problem hosts on my > network that are not allowing the local port forwarding. Any > suggestions??? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or > embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of > the > individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless > otherwise > expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of > Rackspace > Managed Hosting. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the > enclosed > material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail at abuse@rackspace.com, and delete the > original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon May 14 13:33:50 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon May 14 13:34:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] kdevelop In-Reply-To: <750732.40295.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200705141833.l4EIXo8f007782@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > > > Borries Demeler wrote: I'm wondering of anyone ever came across this problem: > The hotkeys in Kdevelop don't work for me. (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, for copy & paste, for example). > Any suggestions? They are all defined in the menu, and the actions work if I use the > menu entry. Strange... > > -b. > > There is another way to do this without ctrl c and ctrl v. Highlight the text that you want and then push your mouse scroll button in to paste it. thanks for the tip, but that wasn't my question. There are a lot of hotkeys defined that do things other than those actions you can replicate with a mouse. The issue only shows up under the "Toplevel window mode" user interface option. All others work. But it is the Toplevel window mode I would like to use. -b. From wsimonds at satx.rr.com Mon May 14 14:09:05 2007 From: wsimonds at satx.rr.com (William Simonds) Date: Mon May 14 14:09:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 References: <20070514170005.1580E43E666@satlug.org> Message-ID: <000701c7965b$57996710$f1f11a18@william7fr4xu7> I have the Ubunto CD wuth version 6.06 LTS, which I have been running, following the instructions in "Moving to Ubunto Linux" The HD plugs into a USB connection on my PC. There was a typo on my 1st request--should have been 160 GB instewad of 1160 GB. I believe it will reboot In MY COPUTER is shown Local Disk (C:) & Ext, disc (E:). The Bill on the msg my nick name. Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: SATLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > satlug@satlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > satlug-request@satlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > satlug-owner@satlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SATLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: does anyone know anything about SATAI? SalsaNet? > (Al Castanoli) > 2. Install an OS on an external drive. (WSIMONDS@satx.rr.com) > 3. Re: Install an OS on an external drive. (Donguitar) > 4. Re: Install an OS on an external drive. (Victor I. Trevino) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:46:50 -0500 > From: Al Castanoli > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] does anyone know anything about SATAI? SalsaNet? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <1179146810.18112.24.camel@phrodo.texas.net> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 16:16 -0500, satlugacct@jchampion.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Many moons ago when I worked with Road Runner, SalsaNet was kind of a >> "who's who" of SA's IT community thinkers and SATAI didn't exist. >> >> I figure that the only way that I'm going to get out of this doldrum >> that I'm in at my employment is to network and make a name for myself >> outside of these four walls and my friends. >> >> Does anyone have any dealings with these groups? Feel free to email me >> offlist and let me know if I'm barking up the right tree. > > Before Road Runner came to town, SalsaNet was supposed to become the San > Antonio cog in the FreeNet collection of .orgs that collapsed around > 1995. There are still some sterling examples of community based > freenets like the Rio Grande Freenet rgfn.org and the Alachua County > Freenet afn.org in Florida. They all started off with academic > sponsorship (rgfn.org was rgfn.epcc.edu and afn.org was > freenet.ufl.edu). > > Sadly, SalsaNet never agreed to associate with the vallejos although > when I was a member of rgfn, we invited them down several times, and > instead of being a community based freenet it became a social club for > members of the Chambers of Commerce. I wasn't a vallejo, but was a > military linguist who helped out with technical jargon in the users > guides. We got published at http://lingnet.army.mil as a resource for > bilingual newspapers and area guides when Chuck Tetlow was the system > administrator out at DLI in Monterey, CA. > > SalsaNet's website is still prattling on about becoming a FreeNet, but > they were saying that when SATLUG was founded. > > Al Castanoli > Proud recipient of several SalsaNet brushoffs. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:32:11 -0500 > From: WSIMONDS@satx.rr.com > Subject: [SATLUG] Install an OS on an external drive. > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I wish to install Linux on an external drive ( an HD My Book 1160 > GB). I am not very PC literate so am hesitant in trying to do this on > my own. I followed mfg instructions and partitioned the drive for the > max amt for 1 partition. Would like to have explicet instructions on > how to install Linux on the hd without the technical jargon, just > plain language. I will appreciate any help I can get. > > Bill at wsimonds@satx.rr.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:26:53 -0500 > From: "Donguitar" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Install an OS on an external drive. > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <001e01c7963c$4dc29370$1208a8c0@dec842502> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> I wish to install Linux on an external drive ( an HD My Book 1160 >> GB). I am not very PC literate so am hesitant in trying to do this on >> my own. I followed mfg instructions and partitioned the drive for the >> max amt for 1 partition. Would like to have explicet instructions on >> how to install Linux on the hd without the technical jargon, just >> plain language. I will appreciate any help I can get. >> > Have you selected a distribution you'd like to try? If not, what are you > requirements for the operating system in this instance? > > Don Crowder > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:30:05 -0500 > From: "Victor I. Trevino" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Install an OS on an external drive. > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > It is not very hard at all. However, if you expect a response from us, > expect a lot of technical jargon. :) > > What kind of drive is it? Is it on a USB, FireWire, SCSI/SATA, or Ethernet > interface? > > Are you sure your PC is capable of booting from an external drive? > > I doubt you can boot from a FireWire drive so you'd have to go with USB or > SCSI. > > You don't need to tell us how to bill you - LUGs support users for free, > unless, of course, you expect someone to do it for you :) > > As Donguitar asked, what distribution are you planning on installing? Do > you > want userfriendliness, stability, or...? If you're not very PC literate, > try > Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS. Do your research beforehand. > > > On 5/14/07, WSIMONDS@satx.rr.com wrote: >> >> I wish to install Linux on an external drive ( an HD My Book 1160 >> GB). I am not very PC literate so am hesitant in trying to do this on >> my own. I followed mfg instructions and partitioned the drive for the >> max amt for 1 partition. Would like to have explicet instructions on >> how to install Linux on the hd without the technical jargon, just >> plain language. I will appreciate any help I can get. >> >> Bill at wsimonds@satx.rr.com >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Powered by Rackspace (http://rackspace.com) > > End of SATLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 > ************************************** From scarolan at gmail.com Mon May 14 15:28:46 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon May 14 15:29:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450705141123y705e8f59vf6e9335a4674d881@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> <240FE6D667B3AC4AB1C05C4CDB64DEB20157FEB4@SAT4MX03.RACKSPACE.CORP> <4c0ec4450705141123y705e8f59vf6e9335a4674d881@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705141328x254b58b6mf0957663cb43cfd4@mail.gmail.com> On 5/14/07, John Pappas wrote: > Hey Sean, > The problem resolved? I am running similar setups for SSH, so let me know > the status and we can work it out. > > There problem is with your keys (host or personal) that is not allowing the > key-based authentication to continue. Once we get past that, the port > reflection should be reasonably straight forward to fix. I honestly have not messed with this for the past few days. We've just been SSH-ing to box1 then to box2. The weird thing is the problem went away on it's own for all but two of our systems. I have a feeling the network admins might have changed some things. .. From scarolan at gmail.com Mon May 14 15:30:29 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon May 14 15:30:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Blog or Wiki that uses pam authentication Message-ID: <277020fc0705141330y77c862f7q8633d15c84e678f2@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of a blog or wiki software that can use the Unix username and password for authentication? In other words, once a new user is added he should be able to use his same login info to make posts on the wiki/forum/blog. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Tue May 15 00:43:22 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Tue May 15 00:43:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables question. Message-ID: <88974.87314.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, I have these filters in my FC6 installation... ================================================== Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere icmp any ACCEPT esp -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT ah -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT udp -- anywhere 224.0.0.251 udp dpt:mdns ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:ipp ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ipp ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited ================================================== As you can see the only interesting one is RH-Firewall-1-INPUT list, which starts with a very odd filter... Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere I wonder what the heck is this filter doing here, after all, If I remove the ssh one (one above the last one) I will not be able to connect to the pc using ssh. should I remove it? TIA, enrique. -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Tue May 15 02:05:02 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Tue May 15 02:05:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables question. Message-ID: <654038.49423.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, I have these filters in my FC6 installation... ================================================== Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere icmp any ACCEPT esp -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT ah -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT udp -- anywhere 224.0.0.251 udp dpt:mdns ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:ipp ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ipp ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited ================================================== As you can see the only interesting one is RH-Firewall-1-INPUT list, which starts with a very odd filter... Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere I wonder what the heck is this filter doing here, after all, If I remove the ssh one (one above the last one) I will not be able to connect to the pc using ssh. should I remove it? TIA, enrique. -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue May 15 06:03:37 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue May 15 06:03:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Blog or Wiki that uses pam authentication In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705141330y77c862f7q8633d15c84e678f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705141330y77c862f7q8633d15c84e678f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46499389.50201@rugmonster.org> Sean Carolan wrote: > Does anyone know of a blog or wiki software that can use the Unix > username and password for authentication? In other words, once a new > user is added he should be able to use his same login info to make > posts on the wiki/forum/blog. Anything that is okay with using HTTP authentication could do it as long as you had mod_auth_pam loaded. I would say that would be fine for an internal system, but wouldn't really recommend it for a publicly accessible server due to security implications. You would end up allowing Apache to read your shadow file, LDAP directory, etc. From mkr777 at gmail.com Tue May 15 08:03:49 2007 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Tue May 15 08:04:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux to rescue Message-ID: Here is a clip from another board: "Anyways, a couple of days ago I had a major hard drive crash that corrupted all my NTFS volumes. XP refused to boot, no safe mode, the recovery console wouldn't start, nothing. I was able to boot with the CD and navigate to my FAT32 volume (whoever said NTFS was more reliable than FAT32 was smokin' something). But unfortunately GHOST would hang at the start up screen. Apparently GHOST was just as unhappy with my corrupted NTFS vols as XP! So, I whipped out my Knoppix LiveCD (which happily mounted all the "corrupt" NTFS volumes. Sometimes I wonder why I still use Windows...) and did a ntfsfix on all the drive volumes (except the FAT32 obviously). Miraculously, that did the trick. XP booted up, performed all the chkdsk for each NTFS vol and everything looks normal." mkr From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue May 15 14:24:54 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue May 15 14:25:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Firefox 3 Message-ID: <464A0906.6010507@gmail.com> I came across the following link: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Linux/Runtime_Requirements They are basically wanting to drop support for older libraries. From a developer's standpoint, I can understand not wanting to support older stuff, but this seems to be too aggressive to me. The libraries are: * GTK+ 2.10.x Jul 06 * GLib 2.12.x Aug 06 * GNOME 2.16.x Sep 06 (which libs?) * Pango 1.14.x Aug 06 * Cairo 1.4.x Mar 07 * xorg (libX11) 1.0.x Dec 05 * dbus 1.0.x Nov 06 * hal 0.5.8 Sep 06 * libjpeg v6b Jun 01 * libpng 1.2.x Sep 01 * zlib 1.2.3 Jul 05 What I have done is go to the source sites and found when the .0 release of each of the above versions was released. I really don't have any problem with any of these for my personal systems, but any date later than 18 months ago seems too recent to me for a general release. After all, it takes several months for the releases to actually get into a distro release. The not supporting distros with a cairo release of only last month seems to be the worst offender. What do you think? -- Bruce From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue May 15 15:07:11 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue May 15 15:07:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Notebook Flat Head Screws Message-ID: <112fb495266c40bcb91db730adb618a4.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Anyone know the size and possibly a source for the little flat head screws that Toshiba (and others) use to secure the subassembly access plates on the bottom of the case. Notebook is a Satellite 1035, am going to have to destroy the heads to remove them. Contact me direct, or here. TIA Lou From leon36 at gmail.com Tue May 15 15:28:42 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue May 15 15:29:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Firefox 3 In-Reply-To: <464A0906.6010507@gmail.com> References: <464A0906.6010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <464A17FA.7020003@gmail.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I came across the following link: > > http://wiki.mozilla.org/Linux/Runtime_Requirements > > They are basically wanting to drop support for older libraries. From a > developer's standpoint, I can understand not wanting to support older > stuff, but this seems to be too aggressive to me. The libraries are: > > * GTK+ 2.10.x Jul 06 > * GLib 2.12.x Aug 06 > * GNOME 2.16.x Sep 06 (which libs?) > * Pango 1.14.x Aug 06 > * Cairo 1.4.x Mar 07 > * xorg (libX11) 1.0.x Dec 05 > * dbus 1.0.x Nov 06 > * hal 0.5.8 Sep 06 > * libjpeg v6b Jun 01 > * libpng 1.2.x Sep 01 > * zlib 1.2.3 Jul 05 > > What I have done is go to the source sites and found when the .0 release > of each of the above versions was released. I really don't have any > problem with any of these for my personal systems, but any date later > than 18 months ago seems too recent to me for a general release. After > all, it takes several months for the releases to actually get into a > distro release. > > The not supporting distros with a cairo release of only last month seems > to be the worst offender. > > What do you think? > > -- Bruce > If it makes it more stable and take less cpu then I am all for it. Sam From leon36 at gmail.com Tue May 15 15:29:42 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue May 15 15:30:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Notebook Flat Head Screws In-Reply-To: <112fb495266c40bcb91db730adb618a4.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <112fb495266c40bcb91db730adb618a4.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <464A1836.6060805@gmail.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Anyone know the size and possibly a source for the > little flat head screws that Toshiba (and others) use > to secure the subassembly access plates on the bottom > of the case. > > Notebook is a Satellite 1035, am going to have to > destroy the heads to remove them. > > Contact me direct, or here. TIA Lou > > "Flat head screws" ? Do you have a picture? Sam From albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net Tue May 15 15:49:51 2007 From: albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net (mike sullivan) Date: Tue May 15 15:50:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Notebook Flat Head Screws In-Reply-To: <464A1836.6060805@gmail.com> References: <112fb495266c40bcb91db730adb618a4.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <464A1836.6060805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <464A1CEF.2080101@sbcglobal.net> Samuel Leon wrote: > > > scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> Anyone know the size and possibly a source for the >> little flat head screws that Toshiba (and others) use >> to secure the subassembly access plates on the bottom >> of the case. >> Notebook is a Satellite 1035, am going to have to >> destroy the heads to remove them. >> >> Contact me direct, or here. TIA Lou >> >> > > "Flat head screws" ? Do you have a picture? > > > Sam Just a guess, if you don't get your answer here. You might try going to the Goodwill computer store. Was trying to get a minor problem corrected and ended up in back with the techs. They literally have hundreds of laptops back there. You might get some info or leads. Mike WN5PMR From donguitar at gmail.com Tue May 15 16:44:20 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Tue May 15 16:44:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Notebook Flat Head Screws References: <112fb495266c40bcb91db730adb618a4.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <004401c7973a$38eb23a0$1408a8c0@dec842502> > Anyone know the size and possibly a source for the > little flat head screws that Toshiba (and others) use > to secure the subassembly access plates on the bottom > of the case. > > Notebook is a Satellite 1035, am going to have to > destroy the heads to remove them. > I have a Toshiba Satellite 205CDS which has a defective display and a wasted battery. You (or whomever) can have it for whatever the postage will be. I suppose I can save on postage by removing the battery as far as that goes. It was in a lot of office supplies a friend of mine bought at an auction and I know nothing at all about it. The numbers on the label, underneath, are: 205CDS/810 SYSTEM UNIT MODEL NO. PA1234U VCD PART NO. PA1234U-S6A SERIAL NO. 12694883-1 There are no accessories with it. Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/ From luis at luisgarza.com Tue May 15 21:38:54 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Tue May 15 21:39:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Securing Squirrelmail Message-ID: <464A6EBE.7060505@luisgarza.com> I was lurking at the squirrelmail mail list and reading about securing it. I noticed that when I do log into my mail server, it is done via http:// on port 80. I noticed that it was not secured. I installed wireshark and monitored my traffic. I noticed that my username and password was sent in clear ascii text. As I kept monitoring and also noticed that when ever it would check mail, it would send the username and password again in clear ascii text. So anyone monitoring a mailservers traffic can get anybodies username and password. I am wondering ... why isn't this installed on port 443 by default??? Are there any other ways for securing the login process for squirrelmail? -- Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com l.garza@yahoo.com From leon36 at gmail.com Tue May 15 21:50:50 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue May 15 21:51:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Notebook Flat Head Screws In-Reply-To: <464A1CEF.2080101@sbcglobal.net> References: <112fb495266c40bcb91db730adb618a4.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <464A1836.6060805@gmail.com> <464A1CEF.2080101@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <464A718A.9030901@gmail.com> mike sullivan wrote: > Samuel Leon wrote: >> >> >> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >>> Anyone know the size and possibly a source for the >>> little flat head screws that Toshiba (and others) use >>> to secure the subassembly access plates on the bottom >>> of the case. Notebook is a Satellite 1035, am going to have to >>> destroy the heads to remove them. >>> >>> Contact me direct, or here. TIA Lou >>> >>> >> >> "Flat head screws" ? Do you have a picture? >> >> >> Sam > Just a guess, if you don't get your answer here. You might try going > to the Goodwill computer store. Was trying to get a minor problem > corrected and ended up in back with the techs. They literally have > hundreds of laptops back there. You might get some info or leads. > > Mike WN5PMR Oh wow I totally read that wrong. I though he was asking for a tool to remove the "flat head screws"..... haha Sam From Channing.ML at ChanningC.com Tue May 15 22:45:47 2007 From: Channing.ML at ChanningC.com (Channing) Date: Tue May 15 22:42:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Securing Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <464A6EBE.7060505@luisgarza.com> References: <464A6EBE.7060505@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <464A7E6B.5090703@ChanningC.com> Luis Garza wrote: > I was lurking at the squirrelmail mail list and reading about securing > it. > > I noticed that when I do log into my mail server, it is done via > http:// on port 80. > I noticed that it was not secured. > > I installed wireshark and monitored my traffic. > I noticed that my username and password was sent in clear ascii text. > > As I kept monitoring and also noticed that when ever it would check mail, > it would send the username and password again in clear ascii text. > > So anyone monitoring a mailservers traffic can get anybodies username > and password. > > I am wondering ... why isn't this installed on port 443 by default??? > > Are there any other ways for securing the login process for squirrelmail? > Hi Luis, Here's what I've implemented in the past to ensure the session only communicates over a secure connection. In setting this up, I came to realize there were a few different ways to get to the end goal of ensuring SSL only, so you may find another person's suggestions more to your liking. RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://example.com/webmail [R,L] HTH, Channing -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue May 15 22:32:21 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Tue May 15 23:31:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705152232.22550.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 13 May 2007 18:02, Hector Bojorquez wrote: > http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867 > Microsoft takes on the free world > Microsoft claims that free software like Linux, which runs a big chunk > of corporate America, violates 235 of its patents. It wants royalties > from distributors and users. M$ is trying to play poker with a house of cards here... M$ wants to charge royalties for free software (as in Liberty AND BEER). If folks like Red Hat would just stick to the Open Source philosophy and maintain that the product that they $ell is NOT software, but _is services_ (which has been everyones message from the beginning in the open source/FLOSS world), then what's the problem with MS getting OS/Patent royalties? The patented software IS free as in liberty AND beer. It's the nature of FLOSS. Follow my logic here... When you pay $400 for a Red Hat license.. you're not paying for the OS.. you're PAYING for the right to access to RHN, Red Hat's patching service, and RH's phone help install support. That's it... That's right.. You can get a free legit copy of RHEL5, and maybe even a 30 day RHN patching subscription to tinker with it.. and the Open Source OS will continue working for ever.. at no cost. You can get RHEL5 for free at any trade show, sometimes even downloaded for free (fully compiled, install ISO images) from the RH site at times. With Open Source, "The Product" = $ervices With Closed Source, "The Product" = $oftware So when a RHN trail subscription expires, you can no longer patch the OS. Big whup. If you know what you're doing, you can use CentOS or yum repos to keep it patched (if you prefer). Unlike M$ Windows which actually STOPS WORKING when that eval period expires. In Red Hat's case, it's access to the FEE BA$ED RHN system's $ERVICE that you pay for.. and that's the message that could make M$'s whole point.. well... pointless. :) After all.. %20 royalties of $0 is still = $0 in my estimation.. ;) Tweeks From luis at luisgarza.com Wed May 16 00:24:57 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Wed May 16 00:25:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Securing Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <464A7E6B.5090703@ChanningC.com> References: <464A6EBE.7060505@luisgarza.com> <464A7E6B.5090703@ChanningC.com> Message-ID: <464A95A9.9010703@luisgarza.com> Channing wrote: > Luis Garza wrote: >> I was lurking at the squirrelmail mail list and reading about >> securing it. >> >> I noticed that when I do log into my mail server, it is done via >> http:// on port 80. >> I noticed that it was not secured. >> >> I installed wireshark and monitored my traffic. >> I noticed that my username and password was sent in clear ascii text. >> >> As I kept monitoring and also noticed that when ever it would check >> mail, >> it would send the username and password again in clear ascii text. >> >> So anyone monitoring a mailservers traffic can get anybodies username >> and password. >> >> I am wondering ... why isn't this installed on port 443 by default??? >> >> Are there any other ways for securing the login process for >> squirrelmail? >> > Hi Luis, > > Here's what I've implemented in the past to ensure the session only > communicates over a secure connection. In setting this up, I came to > realize there were a few different ways to get to the end goal of > ensuring SSL only, so you may find another person's suggestions more > to your liking. > > > RewriteEngine On > RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on > RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://example.com/webmail [R,L] > > > HTH, > Channing > That's great ... Is anybody else using squirrelmail? Are you using port 80 or 443? -- Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com l.garza@yahoo.com From victor.trevino at gmail.com Wed May 16 00:53:50 2007 From: victor.trevino at gmail.com (Victor I. Trevino) Date: Wed May 16 00:54:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <200705152232.22550.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> <200705152232.22550.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: pure FUD. On 5/15/07, tom weeks wrote: > > On Sunday 13 May 2007 18:02, Hector Bojorquez wrote: > > > http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867 > > Microsoft takes on the free world > > Microsoft claims that free software like Linux, which runs a big chunk > > of corporate America, violates 235 of its patents. It wants royalties > > from distributors and users. > > M$ is trying to play poker with a house of cards here... > > M$ wants to charge royalties for free software (as in Liberty AND BEER). > > If folks like Red Hat would just stick to the Open Source philosophy and > maintain that the product that they $ell is NOT software, but _is > services_ > (which has been everyones message from the beginning in the open > source/FLOSS > world), then what's the problem with MS getting OS/Patent royalties? The > patented software IS free as in liberty AND beer. It's the nature of > FLOSS. > Follow my logic here... > > When you pay $400 for a Red Hat license.. you're not paying for the OS.. > you're PAYING for the right to access to RHN, Red Hat's patching service, > and > RH's phone help install support. That's it... That's right.. You can get > a > free legit copy of RHEL5, and maybe even a 30 day RHN patching > subscription > to tinker with it.. and the Open Source OS will continue working for > ever.. > at no cost. You can get RHEL5 for free at any trade show, sometimes even > downloaded for free (fully compiled, install ISO images) from the RH site > at > times. > With Open Source, "The Product" = $ervices > With Closed Source, "The Product" = $oftware > > So when a RHN trail subscription expires, you can no longer patch the OS. > Big > whup. If you know what you're doing, you can use CentOS or yum repos to > keep > it patched (if you prefer). Unlike M$ Windows which actually STOPS > WORKING > when that eval period expires. In Red Hat's case, it's access to the FEE > BA$ED RHN system's $ERVICE that you pay for.. and that's the message that > could make M$'s whole point.. well... pointless. :) > > After all.. %20 royalties of $0 is still = $0 in my estimation.. ;) > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From brad at shub-internet.org Wed May 16 04:10:23 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed May 16 04:13:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: [alg] My sincerest apologies Message-ID: Folks, BTW, HD Moore has been re-scheduled to speak at ALG on the 31st -- just in case anyone down there is interested. ;) --- begin forwarded text From: H D Moore To: alg@austinlug.org Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:22:31 -0500 Subject: [alg] My sincerest apologies Hi everyone, I want to apologize for the no-show last Thursday. I had written the date down as the 10th, but had it in my head as the 17th. It wasn't until Friday morning when I checked the calendar that I realized I had completely f*cked up. I want to personally apologize to Luis, who had a long drive to make it to the LUG (and im sure traffic wasn't pretty). To make it up, I can speak this Thursday (17th) or the next (31st), and will bring some giveaways for the best questions. Depending on time and what I can find, the giveaways may include: * A Linux hand-held running Metasploit 3. This isn't top of the line, but it will come with some fun peripherals and the latest software updates. * A Hagiwara UD-RW for backdooring PCs with exposed USB ports (with custom software). Copy your favorite backdoor software to the flash partition, plug into a USB port, and the custom autorun will find and execute your binaries off the flash partition. Fun toy to have and way better than the U3-based USB keys. * A bootable USB key running a customized version of BackTrack 2, including support for the Metasploit3 GUI (including pre-installed 0-day, if I can get this code reliable...). If the 17th or the 31st will work, please let know ASAP. Thanks! -HD --- end forwarded text -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From j at jvpappas.net Wed May 16 06:45:49 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed May 16 06:46:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH Forwarding Problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705141328x254b58b6mf0957663cb43cfd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705041411ubdd3120k709dd17b698fa709@mail.gmail.com> <240FE6D667B3AC4AB1C05C4CDB64DEB20157FEB4@SAT4MX03.RACKSPACE.CORP> <4c0ec4450705141123y705e8f59vf6e9335a4674d881@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705141328x254b58b6mf0957663cb43cfd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450705160445v20ec3e7akd35b929c6cc95f63@mail.gmail.com> On 5/14/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > On 5/14/07, John Pappas wrote: > > Hey Sean, > > The problem resolved? I am running similar setups for SSH, so let me > know > > the status and we can work it out. > > > > There problem is with your keys (host or personal) that is not allowing > the > > key-based authentication to continue. Once we get past that, the port > > reflection should be reasonably straight forward to fix. > > I honestly have not messed with this for the past few days. We've > just been SSH-ing to box1 then to box2. The weird thing is the > problem went away on it's own for all but two of our systems. I have > a feeling the network admins might have changed some things. .. Yeah they tend to "help" a lot :) They may have redistributed keymat or changed the sshd.conf. They key (hehe pun) to this whole configuration is cleanly configured ~/.ssh directories with strict permissions, matching keymat, and proper authorized_keys and known_hosts. If that ssh chain is broken at any link, the whole port forwarding chain breaks. John From j at jvpappas.net Wed May 16 07:08:53 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed May 16 07:09:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Who are the Linux desktop users? In-Reply-To: <4640D116.5000700@txcyber.com> References: <4640A1F8.9000205@accd.edu> <4640D116.5000700@txcyber.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450705160508i26d4ea8ax165718e0b7543f1b@mail.gmail.com> I have been running my business with SUSE for the last 2 years, and my systems on SUSE for 5. As a distro it is solid, its documentation is good. As I need to manage systems without the luxury of a GUI, the YAST Curses (CLI) interface is excellent. On 5/8/07, Herb wrote: > > hmmmm really interesting and I have heard that distro named enough so I > ordering a cd today. > Thanks John > > John Hammer wrote: > > Interesting summary of a survey done by Novell and OpenSUSE. > > > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9755856281.html > > > > John Hammer > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed May 16 08:03:28 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed May 16 08:03:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Securing Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <464A95A9.9010703@luisgarza.com> References: <464A95A9.9010703@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <73389e64162afcd067d16746b02ff402@rugmonster.org> On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:24:57 -0500, Luis Garza wrote: > Is anybody else using squirrelmail? > > Are you using port 80 or 443? While I don't use Squirrelmail, my webmail client, Roundcube Webmail, is setup to only be accessible via HTTPS. Anything that is HTTP, which typically goes over tcp port 80, is unencrypted and any usernames, passwords, content, etc, is transmitted as cleartext. When you use HTTPS, which typically uses tcp port 443, you are using HTTP with SSL encryption, so all data is encrypted. This is not a security issue with Squirrelmail, but an insecure Squirrelmail setup. It is up to the system administrator of the web server to ensure that the sites and services it provides are setup securely. Cheers, Daniel From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Wed May 16 09:31:45 2007 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Wed May 16 09:32:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with old compaq please? In-Reply-To: <73389e64162afcd067d16746b02ff402@rugmonster.org> References: <464A95A9.9010703@luisgarza.com> <73389e64162afcd067d16746b02ff402@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB649B9A@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> Yep, I borked it! I have had a lot of success with using the small form factor older Dell and Compaq machines (Cel 400s mostly) as PfSense firewalls. So....I was asked if I could set one up for a friend and said sure. The machine is a Compaq Deskpro small form factor and I finally got the stupid case open (should have known this one was going to be a pain from that point on) and installed the second network card to act as the LAN card. I poped in the disk, booted the machine with PfSense, and configured the system from the command line. Everything working well so far right? Well, I removed the keyboard and checked that it would not stop because of this and it would not boot without the keyboard. I tried to press F10 to get into the bios, but Compaq was still using the old way of putting the bios program on the hd and my install killed it. Does anyone out there have the old SoftPaq software or a way around this? I looked for it on the HP/Compaq site and can not find it any more. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. Art Sexton ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From scarolan at gmail.com Wed May 16 10:23:54 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed May 16 10:24:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysterious cron problem Message-ID: <277020fc0705160823xad4e40dv849c2ba79af32457@mail.gmail.com> I have a simple script running as a cronjob on a desktop workstation. The workstation has Ubuntu 7.04 with the standard version of cron. Here's how the crontab entry looks: */5 * * * * /usr/local/bin/myscript That worked fine and dandy. However when I try to run the exact same script on my laptop the cronjob does not execute at all. I can run the script from the command line on the laptop and it works great. I can also run any cron jobs as root. But as soon as I try to add even a simple entry to my regular user's crontab file, such as this: * * * * * echo "Hello world" I get nothing. I've tried to turn on logging and watch the logs for anything suspicious but nothing shows up there. It's like cron just completely ignores my user's crontab file altogether. I don't have /etc/cron.d/cron.allow or cron.deny files either. Any ideas? I'm stumped. From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed May 16 10:34:59 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed May 16 10:35:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysterious cron problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705160823xad4e40dv849c2ba79af32457@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705160823xad4e40dv849c2ba79af32457@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27e9b818f05c03c81832ea1d6c40fdd6@rugmonster.org> On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:54 -0500, "Sean Carolan" wrote: > I can run the script from the command line on the laptop and it works > great. I can also run any cron jobs as root. But as soon as I try to > add even a simple entry to my regular user's crontab file, such as > this: > > * * * * * echo "Hello world" > > I get nothing. How are you editing the crontab for the user? If you are editing /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ directly, then I believe you have to restart cron to make it aware of the changes. If you are using crontab -e to edit the crontab, it should be made aware of the change immediately. Try a crontab -l to see if you get your test cron entries back. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed May 16 10:42:30 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed May 16 10:42:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysterious cron problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705160823xad4e40dv849c2ba79af32457@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705160823xad4e40dv849c2ba79af32457@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464B2666.1000307@gmail.com> Sean Carolan wrote: > I have a simple script running as a cronjob on a desktop workstation. > The workstation has Ubuntu 7.04 with the standard version of cron. > Here's how the crontab entry looks: > > */5 * * * * /usr/local/bin/myscript > > That worked fine and dandy. However when I try to run the exact same > script on my laptop the cronjob does not execute at all. > > I can run the script from the command line on the laptop and it works > great. I can also run any cron jobs as root. But as soon as I try to > add even a simple entry to my regular user's crontab file, such as > this: > > * * * * * echo "Hello world" > > I get nothing. I've tried to turn on logging and watch the logs for > anything suspicious but nothing shows up there. It's like cron just > completely ignores my user's crontab file altogether. I don't have > /etc/cron.d/cron.allow or cron.deny files either. > > Any ideas? I'm stumped. I don't believe cron knows where stdout is. It will try to email to the user, but if that's not set up, the output will be lost. Try `echo "Hello world" >> /tmp/hello` and see if it works. -- Bruce From scarolan at gmail.com Wed May 16 11:05:52 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed May 16 11:06:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysterious cron problem In-Reply-To: <464B2666.1000307@gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705160823xad4e40dv849c2ba79af32457@mail.gmail.com> <464B2666.1000307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705160905q7b81e57fj85d0600573c7847@mail.gmail.com> > I don't believe cron knows where stdout is. It will try to email to the > user, but if that's not set up, the output will be lost. > > Try `echo "Hello world" >> /tmp/hello` and see if it works. Thanks Daniel and Bruce. To answer your questions: I use crontab -e to edit the crontab entries. Regarding the echo "Hello world" entry - it works fine as root, I watched it show up in the /var/log/cron.log file: May 16 10:07:01 gecko /USR/SBIN/CRON[22251]: (root) CMD (echo "Hello world!") But the exact same crontab entry in my user's crontab does nothing, even after restarting cron, etc. I even tried adding it to /etc/crontab instead just to see if it would work, but the same result - works for root, not for user. From masterr at gmail.com Wed May 16 12:10:54 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed May 16 12:11:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with old compaq please? In-Reply-To: <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB649B9A@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> References: <464A95A9.9010703@luisgarza.com> <73389e64162afcd067d16746b02ff402@rugmonster.org> <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB649B9A@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <14842c410705161010h714aab54xcf67aec4dee002ec@mail.gmail.com> Is the SoftPaq utilities unique per machine? If not I may have a disk or 2 laying around, I just have to look. On 5/16/07, Sexton, Art, ISD wrote: > > Yep, I borked it! > > I have had a lot of success with using the small form factor older Dell > and Compaq machines (Cel 400s mostly) as PfSense firewalls. > > So....I was asked if I could set one up for a friend and said sure. The > machine is a Compaq Deskpro small form factor and I finally got the > stupid case open (should have known this one was going to be a pain from > that point on) and installed the second network card to act as the LAN > card. > > I poped in the disk, booted the machine with PfSense, and configured the > system from the command line. Everything working well so far right? > Well, I removed the keyboard and checked that it would not stop because > of this and it would not boot without the keyboard. I tried to press > F10 to get into the bios, but Compaq was still using the old way of > putting the bios program on the hd and my install killed it. > > Does anyone out there have the old SoftPaq software or a way around > this? I looked for it on the HP/Compaq site and can not find it any > more. > > Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. > > Art Sexton > > > > ***************************************************************************** > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify > the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend > any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. > > ***************************************************************************** > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From masterr at gmail.com Wed May 16 12:11:31 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed May 16 12:11:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with old compaq please? In-Reply-To: <14842c410705161010h714aab54xcf67aec4dee002ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <464A95A9.9010703@luisgarza.com> <73389e64162afcd067d16746b02ff402@rugmonster.org> <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB649B9A@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> <14842c410705161010h714aab54xcf67aec4dee002ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410705161011v331c01fek9cadefdb13e42c06@mail.gmail.com> Per model, rather. On 5/16/07, Jonathan Hull wrote: > > Is the SoftPaq utilities unique per machine? If not I may have a disk or 2 > laying around, I just have to look. > > On 5/16/07, Sexton, Art, ISD < ASexton956@worldsavings.com> wrote: > > > > Yep, I borked it! > > > > I have had a lot of success with using the small form factor older Dell > > and Compaq machines (Cel 400s mostly) as PfSense firewalls. > > > > So....I was asked if I could set one up for a friend and said sure. The > > machine is a Compaq Deskpro small form factor and I finally got the > > stupid case open (should have known this one was going to be a pain from > > > > that point on) and installed the second network card to act as the LAN > > card. > > > > I poped in the disk, booted the machine with PfSense, and configured the > > system from the command line. Everything working well so far right? > > Well, I removed the keyboard and checked that it would not stop because > > of this and it would not boot without the keyboard. I tried to press > > F10 to get into the bios, but Compaq was still using the old way of > > putting the bios program on the hd and my install killed it. > > > > Does anyone out there have the old SoftPaq software or a way around > > this? I looked for it on the HP/Compaq site and can not find it any > > more. > > > > Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. > > > > Art Sexton > > > > > > > > ***************************************************************************** > > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify > > the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend > > any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. > > > > ***************************************************************************** > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Wed May 16 12:40:13 2007 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Wed May 16 12:40:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with old compaq please? In-Reply-To: <14842c410705161010h714aab54xcf67aec4dee002ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <464A95A9.9010703@luisgarza.com> <73389e64162afcd067d16746b02ff402@rugmonster.org> <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB649B9A@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> <14842c410705161010h714aab54xcf67aec4dee002ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB64A0E5@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> Thanks! I have no idea about their uniqness, but I will check and post here later. Art -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hull Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:11 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Help with old compaq please? Is the SoftPaq utilities unique per machine? If not I may have a disk or 2 laying around, I just have to look. On 5/16/07, Sexton, Art, ISD wrote: > > Yep, I borked it! > > I have had a lot of success with using the small form factor older > Dell and Compaq machines (Cel 400s mostly) as PfSense firewalls. > > So....I was asked if I could set one up for a friend and said sure. > The machine is a Compaq Deskpro small form factor and I finally got > the stupid case open (should have known this one was going to be a > pain from that point on) and installed the second network card to act > as the LAN card. > > I poped in the disk, booted the machine with PfSense, and configured > the system from the command line. Everything working well so far right? > Well, I removed the keyboard and checked that it would not stop > because of this and it would not boot without the keyboard. I tried > to press F10 to get into the bios, but Compaq was still using the old > way of putting the bios program on the hd and my install killed it. > > Does anyone out there have the old SoftPaq software or a way around > this? I looked for it on the HP/Compaq site and can not find it any > more. > > Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. > > Art Sexton > > > > ********************************************************************** > ******* If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please > notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not > amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. > > ********************************************************************** > ******* > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered > by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From j at jvpappas.net Wed May 16 13:39:56 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed May 16 13:40:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Automation (Old: [XCSSA] Solar and Green events in SA) Message-ID: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I have cross posted this thread, as well as changed the subject. I am looking to replace my ancient and broken Thermostats in my 13yr old home. Rather than invest ~$100 in each programmable, I would like to add controllability to my system. I have talked to CPS about their "Peak Saver" program. The Honeywell thermostat that they install and provide "free" contains what is functionally a 2-way pager that can communicate with their system to provide remote controllability (hence no additional wiring required). I have not dug into the API availability or anything to determine how much control/data can be gathered. Anyway, I am looking to automate my home, and am looking for any feedback from those that have taken steps to do so. I am particularly interested in Non-typical home automation tasks such as Thermo management, Telemety reporting (ie Water/Electrical use). I am still looking into the typical stuff like light control and such. Thanks! John P On 5/16/07, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 May 2007 07:47, Nick wrote: > > xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote: > > > Oh.. Bruce.. and our other X10 geeks out there.. these florescent > bulbs > > > use a built in HV mini power inverter I think.. and they don't like > X10 > > > lamp modules feeding them that dirty PWM switched AC signal.. so if > > > you're controlling your lights with X10, you have to switch to the > > > clack-clack style appliance modules: > > > > Even then, there are some bulbs that just don't want to turn off. I > > have one (large, like 27W) CF that, when you turn it off, it will flash > > at like 400ms intervals for 3 or 4 seconds, then turn the module back > > on! That lamp is like a torcherie with a side lamp attached that I have > > > a smaller bulb in, so as long as BOTH stay turned on, that won't happen. > > But it was really annoying until I figured that out. > > Yeah.. I've noticed that the X10 brand modules (even the appliance > modules) > have the "blinking effect". I think there is a hack you can do on the > modules to kill that effect... Let me know if interested.. > > Tweeks > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or > embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of > the > individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless > otherwise > expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of > Rackspace > Managed Hosting. 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Your cooperation is appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > XCSSA mailing list > XCSSA@xcssa.org > http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa > From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 16 13:59:21 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 16 13:59:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Securing Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <464A6EBE.7060505@luisgarza.com> References: <464A6EBE.7060505@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <60771.24.28.1.159.1179341961.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > I was lurking at the squirrelmail mail list and reading about securing it. > > I noticed that when I do log into my mail server, it is done via http:// > on port 80. > I noticed that it was not secured. > > I installed wireshark and monitored my traffic. > > I noticed that my username and password was sent in clear ascii text. > > As I kept monitoring and also noticed that when ever it would check mail, > it would send the username and password again in clear ascii text. > > So anyone monitoring a mailservers traffic can get anybodies username > and password. > > I am wondering ... why isn't this installed on port 443 by default??? > > Are there any other ways for securing the login process for squirrelmail? > > -- > > Luis Garza > luis@luisgarza.com > l.garza@yahoo.com Luis, I have my entire Squirrelmail directory in a secured directory, so the entire session is https. If you need more information, let me know. Tom From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 16 14:26:09 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 16 14:26:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <200705152232.22550.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> <200705152232.22550.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <60106.24.28.1.159.1179343569.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > On Sunday 13 May 2007 18:02, Hector Bojorquez wrote: >> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867 >> Microsoft takes on the free world >> Microsoft claims that free software like Linux, which runs a big chunk >> of corporate America, violates 235 of its patents. It wants royalties >> from distributors and users. > > M$ is trying to play poker with a house of cards here... > > M$ wants to charge royalties for free software (as in Liberty AND BEER). > > If folks like Red Hat would just stick to the Open Source philosophy and > maintain that the product that they $ell is NOT software, but _is services_ > (which has been everyones message from the beginning in the open source/FLOSS > world), then what's the problem with MS getting OS/Patent royalties? The > patented software IS free as in liberty AND beer. It's the nature of FLOSS. > Follow my logic here... > > When you pay $400 for a Red Hat license.. you're not paying for the OS.. > you're PAYING for the right to access to RHN, Red Hat's patching service, and > RH's phone help install support. That's it... That's right.. You can get a > free legit copy of RHEL5, and maybe even a 30 day RHN patching subscription > to tinker with it.. and the Open Source OS will continue working for ever.. > at no cost. You can get RHEL5 for free at any trade show, sometimes even > downloaded for free (fully compiled, install ISO images) from the RH site at > times. > With Open Source, "The Product" = $ervices > With Closed Source, "The Product" = $oftware > > So when a RHN trail subscription expires, you can no longer patch the OS. Big > whup. If you know what you're doing, you can use CentOS or yum repos to keep > it patched (if you prefer). Unlike M$ Windows which actually STOPS WORKING > when that eval period expires. In Red Hat's case, it's access to the FEE > BA$ED RHN system's $ERVICE that you pay for.. and that's the message that > could make M$'s whole point.. well... pointless. :) > > After all.. %20 royalties of $0 is still = $0 in my estimation.. ;) > > Tweeks If MS runs after users like the RIAA and other artist groups did for downloaders, they'll start trying to sue websites for downloader information and then go after the Linux user. I don't believe they'd be that stupid, but MS is not known for being truly humanitarian and will try every tactic to make end users pay, starting with corporations. In other words and probably the most important point, it doesn't matter to MS if RH's legalese makes the GPL feel all warm and fuzzy, MS is going for the throat by first trying to take out the legs through vague threats and PR speak. I love it when they try to spin this type of stuff saying it's what is good for their customers. RIIIIIIGHT. What lifts my eyebrow is how they skirt the issue on what patents are in question. Instead of trying to keep their IP legally protected and make sure developers are given the information needed to re-write whatever code is in question. Instead, they are trying to use their patents like cold war nuclear proliferation, as one author/blogger put it elsewhere. This smacks of the same tactic SCO tried, but now there is a company that has a crapload more money than SCO. The recent court case that seems to be turning the tide on software patents is one of the biggest things that bodes well for FLOSS. I don't think MS WANTS to put its patents to the test because most of them are going to be overturned in light of this precedent. I also think MS is going to try to sneak patents in from stuff they bought licenses for UNIX. I'm hoping someone is looking over their patents and picking them apart one by one right now. One other thing in FLOSS' favor is the fact they cannot buy Linux out. There is no one company they can intimidate or absorb and extinguish to make this go away. Poor MS, they cannot use their usual tactics, and I don't think this new tactic is going to work for them except make them even more the bad guy like SCO. From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 16 14:47:40 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 16 14:48:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Automation (Old: [XCSSA] Solar and Green events in SA) In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60643.24.28.1.159.1179344860.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Hey All, > > I have cross posted this thread, as well as changed the subject. > > I am looking to replace my ancient and broken Thermostats in my 13yr old > home. Rather than invest ~$100 in each programmable, I would like to add > controllability to my system. I have talked to CPS about their "Peak Saver" > program. The Honeywell thermostat that they install and provide "free" > contains what is functionally a 2-way pager that can communicate with their > system to provide remote controllability (hence no additional wiring > required). I have not dug into the API availability or anything to > determine how much control/data can be gathered. > > Anyway, I am looking to automate my home, and am looking for any feedback > from those that have taken steps to do so. I am particularly interested in > Non-typical home automation tasks such as Thermo management, Telemety > reporting (ie Water/Electrical use). I am still looking into the typical > stuff like light control and such. > > Thanks! > John P > This isn't going to be an answer to your question, but that reminds me when Heathkit used to sell entire house automation kits. That takes me back. :) Tom King From luis at luisgarza.com Wed May 16 15:14:10 2007 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Wed May 16 15:14:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Securing Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <60771.24.28.1.159.1179341961.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <464A6EBE.7060505@luisgarza.com> <60771.24.28.1.159.1179341961.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <464B6612.8050706@luisgarza.com> Thomas King wrote: >> I was lurking at the squirrelmail mail list and reading about securing it. >> >> I noticed that when I do log into my mail server, it is done via http:// >> on port 80. >> I noticed that it was not secured. >> >> I installed wireshark and monitored my traffic. >> >> I noticed that my username and password was sent in clear ascii text. >> >> As I kept monitoring and also noticed that when ever it would check mail, >> it would send the username and password again in clear ascii text. >> >> So anyone monitoring a mailservers traffic can get anybodies username >> and password. >> >> I am wondering ... why isn't this installed on port 443 by default??? >> >> Are there any other ways for securing the login process for squirrelmail? >> > Luis, > > I have my entire Squirrelmail directory in a secured directory, so the entire > session is https. If you need more information, let me know. > > Tom > Even if you put squirrelmail on a secured port 443, doesn't it still try to validate the user using IMAP on port 143? Should it be setup on IMAPS port 993? -- Luis Garza luis@luisgarza.com l.garza@yahoo.com From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 16 15:29:43 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 16 15:30:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Securing Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <464B6612.8050706@luisgarza.com> References: <464A6EBE.7060505@luisgarza.com> <60771.24.28.1.159.1179341961.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <464B6612.8050706@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <61377.24.28.1.159.1179347383.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Thomas King wrote: >>> I was lurking at the squirrelmail mail list and reading about securing it. >>> >>> I noticed that when I do log into my mail server, it is done via http:// >>> on port 80. >>> I noticed that it was not secured. >>> >>> I installed wireshark and monitored my traffic. >>> >>> I noticed that my username and password was sent in clear ascii text. >>> >>> As I kept monitoring and also noticed that when ever it would check mail, >>> it would send the username and password again in clear ascii text. >>> >>> So anyone monitoring a mailservers traffic can get anybodies username >>> and password. >>> >>> I am wondering ... why isn't this installed on port 443 by default??? >>> >>> Are there any other ways for securing the login process for squirrelmail? >>> >> Luis, >> >> I have my entire Squirrelmail directory in a secured directory, so the entire >> session is https. If you need more information, let me know. >> >> Tom >> > > Even if you put squirrelmail on a secured port 443, doesn't it still try > to validate the user using IMAP on > port 143? Should it be setup on IMAPS port 993? > > -- > > Luis Garza > luis@luisgarza.com > l.garza@yahoo.com I'd imagine that'd be true if you opened IMAP to the network and/or had them on different servers, but my webserver and email server (including IMAP) are all on the same server. Also, I forgot who mentioned it, but I also have the re-write rule as well. From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed May 16 15:51:59 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed May 16 15:52:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Securing Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <464B6612.8050706@luisgarza.com> References: <464B6612.8050706@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: <25e84219049b5f69a689e899d0764bdf@rugmonster.org> On Wed, 16 May 2007 15:14:10 -0500, Luis Garza wrote: > Even if you put squirrelmail on a secured port 443, doesn't it still try > to validate the user using IMAP on > port 143? Should it be setup on IMAPS port 993? "If your mail server is the same as your web server, there is no need for the encrypted communication. It's useless. Just toss it out the window, if you can." http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/SquirrelMailIMAPS Further information at link above. From sean.crandall at ieee.org Wed May 16 16:09:33 2007 From: sean.crandall at ieee.org (Sean Crandall) Date: Wed May 16 16:09:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Did everyone catch this--Microsoft takes on the free world In-Reply-To: <60106.24.28.1.159.1179343569.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <2470980d0705131602q1235879cj22b89b5ba93266af@mail.gmail.com> <200705152232.22550.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <60106.24.28.1.159.1179343569.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <464B730D.2020800@ieee.org> Thomas King wrote: >> On Sunday 13 May 2007 18:02, Hector Bojorquez wrote: >>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867 >>> Microsoft takes on the free world >>> Microsoft claims that free software like Linux, which runs a big chunk >>> of corporate America, violates 235 of its patents. It wants royalties >>> from distributors and users. >> M$ is trying to play poker with a house of cards here... >> >> M$ wants to charge royalties for free software (as in Liberty AND BEER). >> >> If folks like Red Hat would just stick to the Open Source philosophy and >> maintain that the product that they $ell is NOT software, but _is services_ >> (which has been everyones message from the beginning in the open source/FLOSS >> world), then what's the problem with MS getting OS/Patent royalties? The >> patented software IS free as in liberty AND beer. It's the nature of FLOSS. >> Follow my logic here... >> >> When you pay $400 for a Red Hat license.. you're not paying for the OS.. >> you're PAYING for the right to access to RHN, Red Hat's patching service, and >> RH's phone help install support. That's it... That's right.. You can get a >> free legit copy of RHEL5, and maybe even a 30 day RHN patching subscription >> to tinker with it.. and the Open Source OS will continue working for ever.. >> at no cost. You can get RHEL5 for free at any trade show, sometimes even >> downloaded for free (fully compiled, install ISO images) from the RH site at >> times. >> With Open Source, "The Product" = $ervices >> With Closed Source, "The Product" = $oftware >> >> So when a RHN trail subscription expires, you can no longer patch the OS. Big >> whup. If you know what you're doing, you can use CentOS or yum repos to keep >> it patched (if you prefer). Unlike M$ Windows which actually STOPS WORKING >> when that eval period expires. In Red Hat's case, it's access to the FEE >> BA$ED RHN system's $ERVICE that you pay for.. and that's the message that >> could make M$'s whole point.. well... pointless. :) >> >> After all.. %20 royalties of $0 is still = $0 in my estimation.. ;) >> >> Tweeks > > If MS runs after users like the RIAA and other artist groups did for > downloaders, they'll start trying to sue websites for downloader information and > then go after the Linux user. I don't believe they'd be that stupid, but MS is > not known for being truly humanitarian and will try every tactic to make end > users pay, starting with corporations. In other words and probably the most > important point, it doesn't matter to MS if RH's legalese makes the GPL feel all > warm and fuzzy, MS is going for the throat by first trying to take out the legs > through vague threats and PR speak. I love it when they try to spin this type of > stuff saying it's what is good for their customers. RIIIIIIGHT. > > What lifts my eyebrow is how they skirt the issue on what patents are in > question. Instead of trying to keep their IP legally protected and make sure > developers are given the information needed to re-write whatever code is in > question. Instead, they are trying to use their patents like cold war nuclear > proliferation, as one author/blogger put it elsewhere. This smacks of the same > tactic SCO tried, but now there is a company that has a crapload more money than > SCO. > > The recent court case that seems to be turning the tide on software patents is > one of the biggest things that bodes well for FLOSS. I don't think MS WANTS to > put its patents to the test because most of them are going to be overturned in > light of this precedent. I also think MS is going to try to sneak patents in > from stuff they bought licenses for UNIX. I'm hoping someone is looking over > their patents and picking them apart one by one right now. One other thing in > FLOSS' favor is the fact they cannot buy Linux out. There is no one company they > can intimidate or absorb and extinguish to make this go away. Poor MS, they > cannot use their usual tactics, and I don't think this new tactic is going to > work for them except make them even more the bad guy like SCO. I wonder if they really thought this one out. Now that they've made serious threats to sue, they may not have to actually go through with the threats. Any Linux user could conceivably bring a declaratory judgment action against them. Microsoft would then be required to disclose the patents it believes are infringed, and then those can be attacked. Granted, they could try to play shell games with discovery like SCO has done for several years by refusing to identify the allegedly infringing code, but we're also not talking about a company in its death throes with nothing to lose. I don't think Microsoft wants to be the next SCO. They could have already paved the way not only to having many of their patents declared invalid as obvious, but possibly even to answering the bigger question the Court just dodged in Microsoft v. AT&T---are software patents even valid. I guess they should be careful asking questions when they don't want to hear the answer. Sean Crandall From tweeks at rackspace.com Wed May 16 17:19:15 2007 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Wed May 16 17:19:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Home Automation (Old: [XCSSA] Solar and Green events in SA) In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705161719.16153.tweeks@rackspace.com> On Wednesday 16 May 2007 13:39, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote: [...] > Anyway, I am looking to automate my home, and am looking for any feedback > from those that have taken steps to do so. I am particularly interested in > Non-typical home automation tasks such as Thermo management, Telemety > reporting (ie Water/Electrical use). I am still looking into the typical > stuff like light control and such. Mister House seems to be the preferred "dit it all" web based interface. :) http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/ Good luck John.. Tweeks Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace Managed Hosting. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at abuse@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. From travisimo1993 at gmail.com Wed May 16 21:18:26 2007 From: travisimo1993 at gmail.com (Travis M.) Date: Wed May 16 21:18:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] LFS devel book - Section "6.10. Re-adjusting the Toolchain" problem Message-ID: <3fddcd410705161918g7038231cvbda09f9ee253b3b7@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I hope somebody can help me with this... I have been reading the LFS devel book for a couple of days now, and I've never built a LFS system before. I decided to use the devel book because my laptop is not stable with the NVIDIA and the MadWiFi modules until I have at least Linux kernel version 2.6.20. All commands at section 6.10 seem to work fine up to: grep -o '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log . This is just great, because I compiled so much stuff only to have this happen. I accidentally messed up at section "5.30. Stripping", by doing this, 'strip --strip-debug /tools/lib/*strip --strip-unneeded /tools/{,s}bin/*' , instead of: strip --strip-debug /tools/lib/* strip --strip-unneeded /tools/{,s}bin/* I re-executed those commands after I messed up. ...I think it could have messed up something. I was talking on #lfs-support on irc.linuxfromscratch.org, and I didn't get much of an answer. Anyway, I posted a bunch of things to a pastebin post, maybe the contents contained therein will help: http://pastebin.linuxfromscratch.org/?show=3523 Here's the output of 'grep -o '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log': root:/sources# grep -o '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtbegin.o -L/tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2 -L/tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/lib /tmp/cclF0orl.o --verbose -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed -lc -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o /usr/lib/crt1.o succeeded /usr/lib/crti.o succeeded /usr/lib/crtn.o succeeded root:/sources# The output should have been: /usr/lib/crt1.o succeeded /usr/lib/crti.o succeeded /usr/lib/crtn.o succeeded --------------- Travis M. -------------------------------------------------------------- Ubuntu Linux user (primarily) From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed May 16 21:56:42 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed May 16 21:57:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] LFS devel book - Section "6.10. Re-adjusting the Toolchain" problem In-Reply-To: <3fddcd410705161918g7038231cvbda09f9ee253b3b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fddcd410705161918g7038231cvbda09f9ee253b3b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464BC46A.6070204@gmail.com> Travis M. wrote: > I have been reading the LFS devel book for a couple of days now, and > I've never built a LFS system before. I decided to use the devel book > because my laptop is not stable with the NVIDIA and the MadWiFi > modules until I have at least Linux kernel version 2.6.20. Welcome to the world of LFS. You will learn a lot. > All commands at section 6.10 seem to work fine up to: grep -o > '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log . This is just great, > because I compiled so much stuff only to have this happen. > > I accidentally messed up at section "5.30. Stripping", by doing this, > 'strip --strip-debug /tools/lib/*strip --strip-unneeded > /tools/{,s}bin/*' , instead of: > > strip --strip-debug /tools/lib/* > strip --strip-unneeded /tools/{,s}bin/* > I re-executed those commands after I messed up. > ...I think it could have messed up something. It shouldn't be a problem. /tools/lib/*strip won't match anything. Depending on the way the strip program works, you;e either strip the unneeded symbols or all symbols out of /tools/{,s}bin/*. You knwo what that expands to, right? In any case, nothing is hurt as long as you don't strip all symbols out of libraries (removing debug symbols for libs is OK) and it doesn't look like you did. > I was talking on #lfs-support on irc.linuxfromscratch.org, and I > didn't get much of an answer. Anyway, I posted a bunch of things to a > pastebin post, maybe the contents contained therein will help: > http://pastebin.linuxfromscratch.org/?show=3523 > > Here's the output of 'grep -o '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log': > > root:/sources# grep -o '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log > /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o > /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtbegin.o > -L/tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2 > -L/tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/lib > /tmp/cclF0orl.o --verbose -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed -lc > -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed > /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o > /usr/lib/crt1.o succeeded > /usr/lib/crti.o succeeded > /usr/lib/crtn.o succeeded > root:/sources# > > The output should have been: > > /usr/lib/crt1.o succeeded > /usr/lib/crti.o succeeded > /usr/lib/crtn.o succeeded > --------------- You're getting carried away here. The grep worked as designed. You got the succeeded messages. The other output is just a side effect. It doesn't say you will *only* get the succeeded messages. In fact you got exatcly four lines. The first line happens to be very long and wraps. Note that we are matching /usr/lib ... crt[1in] ... and the first line matches too. Keep going. You are doing fine. -- Bruce From leon36 at gmail.com Wed May 16 21:57:49 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed May 16 21:58:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Automation (Old: [XCSSA] Solar and Green events in SA) In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464BC4AD.1070505@gmail.com> John Pappas wrote: > Hey All, > > I have cross posted this thread, as well as changed the subject. > > I am looking to replace my ancient and broken Thermostats in my 13yr old > home. Rather than invest ~$100 in each programmable, I would like to add > controllability to my system. I have talked to CPS about their "Peak > Saver" > program. The Honeywell thermostat that they install and provide "free" > contains what is functionally a 2-way pager that can communicate with > their > system to provide remote controllability (hence no additional wiring > required). I have not dug into the API availability or anything to > determine how much control/data can be gathered. > > Anyway, I am looking to automate my home, and am looking for any feedback > from those that have taken steps to do so. I am particularly > interested in > Non-typical home automation tasks such as Thermo management, Telemety > reporting (ie Water/Electrical use). I am still looking into the typical > stuff like light control and such. > > Thanks! > John P > > On 5/16/07, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote: >> >> On Wednesday 16 May 2007 07:47, Nick wrote: >> > xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote: >> > > Oh.. Bruce.. and our other X10 geeks out there.. these florescent >> bulbs >> > > use a built in HV mini power inverter I think.. and they don't like >> X10 >> > > lamp modules feeding them that dirty PWM switched AC signal.. so if >> > > you're controlling your lights with X10, you have to switch to the >> > > clack-clack style appliance modules: >> > >> > Even then, there are some bulbs that just don't want to turn off. I >> > have one (large, like 27W) CF that, when you turn it off, it will >> flash >> > at like 400ms intervals for 3 or 4 seconds, then turn the module back >> > on! That lamp is like a torcherie with a side lamp attached that I >> have >> >> > a smaller bulb in, so as long as BOTH stay turned on, that won't >> happen. >> > But it was really annoying until I figured that out. >> >> Yeah.. I've noticed that the X10 brand modules (even the appliance >> modules) >> have the "blinking effect". I think there is a hack you can do on the >> modules to kill that effect... Let me know if interested.. >> >> Tweeks >> >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or >> embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential >> use of >> the >> individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless >> otherwise >> expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of >> Rackspace >> Managed Hosting. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the >> enclosed >> material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, >> please >> notify us immediately by e-mail at abuse@rackspace.com, and delete the >> original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> XCSSA mailing list >> XCSSA@xcssa.org >> http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa >> This guy has been working on it for like 15 years or something I think. He has a great book too: http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ I would guess it might be able to control the A/C remotely? I know he had something where you would call in through telephone and press numbers to turn on lights and stuff. Sam From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Wed May 16 22:57:54 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Wed May 16 22:58:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Questions about virtualization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <438061.8358.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I went to the link you gave at the piratebay and download the tiger osx vmware appliance. It worked! But the version is 10.4.1. The newest version is 10.4.9 I think. I asked in irc if there was a way to upgrade from 10.4.1 to 10.4.9, and there is not. Have you go anything newer to work? I could never get osx to install or work from vmware using an install disk, but that vmware appliance worked. Robert Pearson wrote: On 10/16/06, Al Castanoli wrote: > On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 13:34 -0500, Robert Pearson wrote: > > On 10/15/06, Al Castanoli wrote: > [...] > > > Then again, speaking of virtualization, you could always run OS X as a > > > guest OS on a SuSE host. See > > > http://afcasta.home.texas.net/VirtualMac.png > > > to see how this might work. I've given my OS X vmware guest 1GB of RAM, > > > and it's working fine for the things I do, but I'm not into Photoshop, > > > Flash, or other such memory intensive applications. It does fine with > > > hypercard and MacPerl, though. > > [...] > > I didn't know VMware supported Mac OS X? > > The VMware tabs hidden by the evolution page are WindowsXP and > Solaris10. Given enough RAM, I could run them all at the same time. > I left the OS X tab named Other so that I'd remember how I'd installed > it. VMware.com doesn't have the appliance, but you can find it at > http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3368775 > > What I'd really like to see is a VMware Workstation that installs on > Solaris10. You and me and a lot of other people. If Intel-based Macs will be able to simultaneously run Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, NetWare and Solaris then OpenSolaris should be easy. I guess Scott McNealy is still blocking anything Windows on Solaris. > > [...] > > > Your picture shows SUSE Linux running, then a VMware Workstation window > > with "Other" selected, and then an Evolution email window. Is "Other" the Mac > > OS X guest OS? > > Yes > > > How are you doing this? > > I followed the directions from vertigo173 that can be downloaded at: http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/381654/Launching_Mac_OS_X_Tiger_x86_in_VMware_Guide_vertigo173 Thanks, Al. Very creative... -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. From siffland at nerdshack.com Thu May 17 20:23:48 2007 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Thu May 17 20:24:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Converter Message-ID: <3ae131d00705171823mb28247es8daf6b55353329f0@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a linux video format converter. I need to convert .mov files to .avi. I would prefer a command line or ncurses tool. Thanks in advance Sean From travisimo1993 at gmail.com Thu May 17 21:29:45 2007 From: travisimo1993 at gmail.com (Travis M.) Date: Thu May 17 21:30:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: LFS devel book - Section "6.10. Re-adjusting the Toolchain" problem Message-ID: <3fddcd410705171929t858065as2ee472f5e1c37127@mail.gmail.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> It shouldn't be a problem. /tools/lib/*strip won't match anything. >> Depending on the way the strip program works, you;e either strip the >> unneeded symbols or all symbols out of /tools/{,s}bin/*. You knwo what >> that expands to, right? bash (and some other other shells, too, I'm sure) expand '/tools/{,s}bin/*' to "/tools/sbin/*" and "/tools/bin/*" automatically. It's like typing "/tools/sbin/*" and then a space, and after that, "/tools/bin/*", all at once. I can prove this with these two commands: 'ls /tools/{,s}bin/* | grep -v sbin' and 'ls /tools/{,s}bin/* | grep sbin'. The LFS book told me about this {x,y} trick, and I made a script to move files in my Downloads dir to different places automatically, and any unknown file types to the "~/.Trash" dir. This all was accomplished pretty much by me (Chris helped a bit). > I was talking on #lfs-support on irc.linuxfromscratch.org, and I > didn't get much of an answer. Anyway, I posted a bunch of things to a > pastebin post, maybe the contents contained therein will help: > http://pastebin.linuxfromscratch.org/?show=3523 > > Here's the output of 'grep -o '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log': > > root:/sources# grep -o '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log > /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o > /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtbegin.o > -L/tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2 > -L/tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/lib > /tmp/cclF0orl.o --verbose -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed -lc > -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed > /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o > /usr/lib/crt1.o succeeded > /usr/lib/crti.o succeeded > /usr/lib/crtn.o succeeded > root:/sources# > > The output should have been: > > /usr/lib/crt1.o succeeded > /usr/lib/crti.o succeeded > /usr/lib/crtn.o succeeded > --------------- >> You're getting carried away here. The grep worked as designed. You got >> the succeeded messages. The other output is just a side effect. It >> doesn't say you will *only* get the succeeded messages. In fact you >> got exatcly four lines. The first line happens to be very long and wraps. >> Note that we are matching /usr/lib ... crt[1in] ... and the first line >> matches too. I see now, thank you for telling me about that, thank you very much :) . Your right, the LFS book didn't say that I would get *only* the succeeded messages, but the LFS book said "will" so, I went into a panic. I think crt[1in] expands to crt1, crti, and crtn now. This is another one of those many hidden tips and tricks of Linux that just happened to be in the LFS book that I didn't know about before. I was getting a little bit carried away with this 'grep -o '/usr/lib.*/crt[1in].* .*' dummy.log' output... I am doing fine now, I am on section "6.34. GRUB-0.97" now, it's been pretty much smooth sailing up to this point. I am liking LFS a lot! btw, I wrote this e-mail with the help of the "It's All Text" Firefox extension with the "Mousepad" XFCE4 editor in the LFS LiveCD, the formatting might be messed up. -- Travis M. -------------------------------------------------------------- From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu May 17 23:00:51 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu May 17 23:01:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: LFS devel book - Section "6.10. Re-adjusting the Toolchain" problem In-Reply-To: <3fddcd410705171929t858065as2ee472f5e1c37127@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fddcd410705171929t858065as2ee472f5e1c37127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464D24F3.1090004@gmail.com> Travis M. wrote: > I am liking LFS a lot! I'm glag you're having fun. > btw, I wrote this e-mail with the help of the "It's All Text" Firefox > extension with the "Mousepad" XFCE4 editor in the LFS LiveCD, the > formatting might be messed up. Nope. Its perfect. -- Bruce From riugakusei at aim.com Fri May 18 01:30:23 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Fri May 18 01:30:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Converter In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00705171823mb28247es8daf6b55353329f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00705171823mb28247es8daf6b55353329f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C9672D26442A40-1AF8-2FB2@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> ffmpeg does the job thast what i use t convert .avi files to .mpg and then i use dvdauthor to create the dvd structure for my dvds hope that helps you. Medar -----Original Message----- From: siffland@nerdshack.com To: satlug@satlug.org Sent: Thu, 17 May 2007 9:23 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Video Converter Can anyone recommend a linux video format converter. I need to convert .mov files to .avi. I would prefer a command line or ncurses tool. Thanks in advance Sean -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri May 18 12:30:12 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri May 18 12:30:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 30 reply to: Video Converter (Sean I) In-Reply-To: <20070518170007.0D0A543DBB0@satlug.org> References: <20070518170007.0D0A543DBB0@satlug.org> Message-ID: <200705181230.12054.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> On Friday 18 May 2007 12:00:07 pm satlug-request@satlug.org wrote: > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > satlug@satlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > satlug-request@satlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > satlug-owner@satlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SATLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Video Converter (Sean I) > 2. Re: LFS devel book - Section "6.10. Re-adjusting the > Toolchain" problem (Travis M.) > 3. Re: Re: LFS devel book - Section "6.10. Re-adjusting the > Toolchain" problem (Bruce Dubbs) > 4. Re: Video Converter (riugakusei@aim.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:23:48 -0500 > From: "Sean I" > Subject: [SATLUG] Video Converter > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: > <3ae131d00705171823mb28247es8daf6b55353329f0@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Can anyone recommend a linux video format converter. I need to convert > .mov files to .avi. I would prefer a command line or ncurses tool. > > Thanks in advance > > Sean personally I use WinFF. It is basically a GTK front end for FFMPEG. here is a link to the download site. http://biggmatt.com/winff/news-and-notes/winff-for-linux.html regards Todd From scarolan at gmail.com Fri May 18 14:08:29 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri May 18 14:08:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysterious cron problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705160905q7b81e57fj85d0600573c7847@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705160823xad4e40dv849c2ba79af32457@mail.gmail.com> <464B2666.1000307@gmail.com> <277020fc0705160905q7b81e57fj85d0600573c7847@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705181208o2582be09h4789ac9791768b20@mail.gmail.com> I attached strace to the cron process to see if I could find a clue why this isn't working. What I found was cron spawns child processes that die with a Segmentation fault each time. Here is an example - any ideas how I should proceed? I think it might be something to do with my /etc/localtime file: 12195 time(NULL) = 1179512341 12195 stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1279, ...}) = 0 12195 stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1279, ...}) = 0 12195 stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1279, ...}) = 0 12195 send(7, "<83>May 18 13:19:01 CRON[12195]:"..., 108, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 108 12195 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- 6365 <... nanosleep resumed> 0xbff386b4) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be resta rted) 6365 --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- 6365 waitpid(-1, [{WIFSIGNALED(s) && WTERMSIG(s) == SIGSEGV && WCOREDUMP(s)}], WNOHANG) = 12195 From scarolan at gmail.com Fri May 18 14:18:13 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri May 18 14:18:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysterious cron problem In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705181208o2582be09h4789ac9791768b20@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705160823xad4e40dv849c2ba79af32457@mail.gmail.com> <464B2666.1000307@gmail.com> <277020fc0705160905q7b81e57fj85d0600573c7847@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705181208o2582be09h4789ac9791768b20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705181218p662e58dofec20dac10e29332@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to clutter up the thread - here's what a working cron looks like from another system running Ubuntu 7.04 - see how it doesn't die after /etc/localtime? : [pid 31149] getuid32() = 0 [pid 31149] time(NULL) = 1179515281 [pid 31149] stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1279, ...}) = 0 [pid 31149] stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1279, ...}) = 0 [pid 31149] stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1279, ...}) = 0 [pid 31149] socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_DGRAM, 0) = 7 [pid 31149] fcntl64(7, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 [pid 31149] connect(7, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 110) = 0 [pid 31149] send(7, "<38>May 18 14:08:01 CRON[31149]:"..., 87, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 87 [pid 31149] stat64("/var/run/console", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=60, ...}) = 0 From scarolan at gmail.com Fri May 18 15:31:09 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri May 18 15:31:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Mysterious cron problem - SOLVED Message-ID: <277020fc0705181331v30801e58mb82b2ccb6f62abb5@mail.gmail.com> I was able to fix my cron daemon problem. Here's what I did in case anyone else comes up against something similar. The problem was that I had the following line in my /etc/pam.d/common-session file: session optional pam_mount.so I thought this was necessary to have pam_mount.so here to mount my encrypted home partition but commenting it out didn't break anything, and cron is working again. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri May 18 22:54:02 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Fri May 18 22:54:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Converter In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00705171823mb28247es8daf6b55353329f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00705171823mb28247es8daf6b55353329f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705182254.02975.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 17 May 2007 20:23, Sean I wrote: > Can anyone recommend a linux video format converter. I need to convert > .mov files to .avi. I would prefer a command line or ncurses tool. From the command line... $ mencoder -oac copy -ovc lavc -lavcopts codec=msmpeg4v3 -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=56 -srate 22050 -of lavf $INFILE format=avi -o $OUTFILE This turns it into a MPEG2 avi file. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri May 18 23:07:46 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Fri May 18 23:08:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Automation (Old: [XCSSA] Solar and Green events in SA) In-Reply-To: <464BC4AD.1070505@gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> <464BC4AD.1070505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705182307.47395.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 16 May 2007 21:57, Samuel Leon wrote: > This guy has been working on it for like 15 years or something I think. > He has a great book too: http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ > I would guess it might be able to > control the A/C remotely? I know he had something where you would call > in through telephone and press numbers to turn on lights and stuff. Geeze Sam.. Trim down dem dair bottom posts! Yeah.. the phone interface stuff was popular in the early 90's.. But hey! Al Gore made us dis here cooler-n-sliced bread InterNet thang! Check it out! You can use it (along with this AOL thang) to REmote control your whole house! Including dat dair Ther-mo-stat! (sorry.. feelin' a little slappy :) http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/ http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html And yes.. as Sam said.. see here and search for "thermo": http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/Complete_HA/Complete_HA.html Tweeks From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun May 20 09:42:26 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun May 20 09:42:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Automation (Old: [XCSSA] Solar and Green events in SA) In-Reply-To: <464BC4AD.1070505@gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450705161139l38c78694m62aafb4d07743bda@mail.gmail.com> <464BC4AD.1070505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46505E52.9070307@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Samuel Leon wrote: > This guy has been working on it for like 15 years or something I think. > He has a great book too: http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ > I would guess it might be able to > control the A/C remotely? I know he had something where you would call > in through telephone and press numbers to turn on lights and stuff. If you still want to do the phone based stuff, asterisk is a good way to go for that. You can VOIP call your house and tell it to do things. ;) - -- David Kowis www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRlBeUsnf+vRw63ObAQq08AwAsjUzkf4g8j/kPJFbKFAdvY7G3BTGDydV 8rwTMbg/vuqCIucx5bF5x5h573t1n61o4lqP1tVK9RCqRxRtmgnyClm/YMZojJ3u /nD65FUr0A+C1OpyDi7oRNm6JtRxlQ8GDPljsBiLYmYTOTmkZpG15YhxvhNf0Ke2 IIpCoyqQGEebE8CmR4bEKLeQgoQSFL7jhZmo7OXv364gx/58ZjUE41gBgIEuNanf WBJJB7JTDUs93+C0x1ecbuiQVibw435H0blaRTjO9RwKRLzcA3b5W+xo9kNI/7Aq RP7GTrFXKanS8UjfXTKKSZuj6YJbVNjo6WC8Xeyb9Mf3YyPvkwOrol0Jo3/QkNVL SG2ZY40XUB2IRQxguMiqOKr+l54x7MHU/f5niLrROlVz/pWbugqVrhnkRo/R9wyY BjPMCMZcFpuw32z0CS1x8l5EZCJjUuxkUexoHosV9ls0shH5DI/h/UxOamr+FfUK Ly0oQDNM4nBkoLC3Tm63t2mHFLpJhpLu =04mj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Sun May 20 15:23:08 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Sun May 20 15:23:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Realtek ALC883 HDA microphone does not work Message-ID: <978477.46186.qm@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My friend is having trouble getting his microphone in Linux. He says this. I have a Gigabyte 965P-DS3 motherboard with a integrated audio chip Realtek ALC883 HDA. My sound partially working in Ubuntu 7.04 32bit desktop edition. Sound will play but depending on the application it is sometimes choppy. My microphone will not work at all. I have tried every single type of configuration possible from Sound Preferences with no luck to fix mic issue. I have posted a few weeks back to the kernel team. Here is the link, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...20/+bug/112695 I also noticed a discrepancy with lspci. My Realteak ALC883 shows up as, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) Here is my dmesg and lspci output: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7572474/dmesg.txt http://librarian.launchpad.net/7572477/lspic.txt ____________________________________________________________________________________Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sun May 20 15:20:38 2007 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Sun May 20 16:07:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? Message-ID: <000101c79b1c$55b73c90$0a01a8c0@rich> Does anyone know what filesystem Macs use before OS X? I don't know how old this system was before it became parts. 50-pin scsi with an apple logo on it ( or I wouldn't know it was the one I took out of a Mac. Think it was about a 500-600MHz processor, but not sure.) I just wanted to see if I could see files before I reformat. I have a habit of looking for songs/sounds on old drives. Thanks! Richard From eli at then7.com Sun May 20 16:09:51 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli) Date: Sun May 20 16:10:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? In-Reply-To: <000101c79b1c$55b73c90$0a01a8c0@rich> References: <000101c79b1c$55b73c90$0a01a8c0@rich> Message-ID: <4650B91F.8030305@then7.com> Richard Suberg wrote: > Does anyone know what filesystem Macs use before OS X? I don't know how old > this system was before it became parts. 50-pin scsi with an apple logo on > it ( or I wouldn't know it was the one I took out of a Mac. Think it was > about a 500-600MHz processor, but not sure.) > > I just wanted to see if I could see files before I reformat. I have a habit > of looking for songs/sounds on old drives. > > Thanks! > > Richard > > HFS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_File_System e From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun May 20 16:16:48 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun May 20 16:17:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? In-Reply-To: <000101c79b1c$55b73c90$0a01a8c0@rich> References: <000101c79b1c$55b73c90$0a01a8c0@rich> Message-ID: <4650BAC0.9070900@suddenlink.net> Richard Suberg wrote: > Does anyone know what filesystem Macs use before OS X? I don't know how old > this system was before it became parts. 50-pin scsi with an apple logo on > it ( or I wouldn't know it was the one I took out of a Mac. Think it was > about a 500-600MHz processor, but not sure.) > > I just wanted to see if I could see files before I reformat. I have a habit > of looking for songs/sounds on old drives. > > Thanks! > > Richard > > It was the Hierarchical File System (HFS), and if it is a 50 pin scsi, I doubt it is a 500-600 MHz processor. If you are working with anything other than an iMac, there should be some kind of number on the front like 7500/200. The first is the model number and the second is the processor speed. If it is one which says PowerPC, it could be anything from 266MHz to about 2GHz, and it would tell you on the label on the back. I have a beige tower 266 which is running MacOS 8.1. It has 68 pin scsi. 50 pin is really old. I think they stopped using 50 pin with the 680x0 Macs. Might be wrong, though. Peace, Dennis -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sun May 20 23:03:25 2007 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Sun May 20 23:08:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? In-Reply-To: <4650BAC0.9070900@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c79b5c$fc101f40$0a01a8c0@rich> I don't have the case anymore (just scavenged the drive, nothing else I could use). I think it was a Performa something, but when it powered up, it didn't do anything. Didn't know enough to try to troubleshoot, so took what I wanted... Might try booting with Ubuntu 5.1 and see if I can get to anything interesting on it, or even if the drive is any good. Adaptec BIOS recognized the drive, but said 5 MB transfer(?!?) Richard -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Myhand Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 4:17 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? Richard Suberg wrote: > Does anyone know what filesystem Macs use before OS X? I don't know how old > this system was before it became parts. 50-pin scsi with an apple logo on > it ( or I wouldn't know it was the one I took out of a Mac. Think it was > about a 500-600MHz processor, but not sure.) > > I just wanted to see if I could see files before I reformat. I have a habit > of looking for songs/sounds on old drives. > > Thanks! > > Richard > > It was the Hierarchical File System (HFS), and if it is a 50 pin scsi, I doubt it is a 500-600 MHz processor. If you are working with anything other than an iMac, there should be some kind of number on the front like 7500/200. The first is the model number and the second is the processor speed. If it is one which says PowerPC, it could be anything from 266MHz to about 2GHz, and it would tell you on the label on the back. I have a beige tower 266 which is running MacOS 8.1. It has 68 pin scsi. 50 pin is really old. I think they stopped using 50 pin with the 680x0 Macs. Might be wrong, though. Peace, Dennis -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun May 20 23:11:23 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun May 20 23:11:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? In-Reply-To: <000001c79b5c$fc101f40$0a01a8c0@rich> References: <000001c79b5c$fc101f40$0a01a8c0@rich> Message-ID: <46511BEB.9070700@suddenlink.net> If the adaptec bios saw the drive it looks like you should be able to see what is there. Richard Suberg wrote: > I don't have the case anymore (just scavenged the drive, nothing else I > could use). I think it was a Performa something, but when it powered up, it > didn't do anything. Didn't know enough to try to troubleshoot, so took what > I wanted... Might try booting with Ubuntu 5.1 and see if I can get to > anything interesting on it, or even if the drive is any good. Adaptec BIOS > recognized the drive, but said 5 MB transfer(?!?) > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On > Behalf Of Dennis Myhand > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 4:17 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? > > > Richard Suberg wrote: > >> Does anyone know what filesystem Macs use before OS X? I don't know how >> > old > >> this system was before it became parts. 50-pin scsi with an apple logo on >> it ( or I wouldn't know it was the one I took out of a Mac. Think it was >> about a 500-600MHz processor, but not sure.) >> >> I just wanted to see if I could see files before I reformat. I have a >> > habit > >> of looking for songs/sounds on old drives. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Richard >> >> >> > It was the Hierarchical File System (HFS), and if it is a 50 pin scsi, I > doubt it is a 500-600 MHz processor. If you are working with anything > other than an iMac, there should be some kind of number on the front > like 7500/200. The first is the model number and the second is the > processor speed. If it is one which says PowerPC, it could be anything > from 266MHz to about 2GHz, and it would tell you on the label on the > back. I have a beige tower 266 which is running MacOS 8.1. It has 68 > pin scsi. 50 pin is really old. I think they stopped using 50 pin with > the 680x0 Macs. Might be wrong, though. Peace, Dennis > > -- > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 > 7:54 AM > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 > 7:54 AM > > -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon May 21 09:43:42 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon May 21 09:44:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? In-Reply-To: <46511BEB.9070700@suddenlink.net> References: <000001c79b5c$fc101f40$0a01a8c0@rich> <46511BEB.9070700@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f0705210743t61a79922r1e2fb1abbea8249c@mail.gmail.com> Be sure to have the hfsutils package so you can read the contents of the drive. I've worked with the hfsplus utils on several OS X machines and have always had good luck. On 5/20/07, Dennis Myhand wrote: > If the adaptec bios saw the drive it looks like you should be able to > see what is there. > > Richard Suberg wrote: > > I don't have the case anymore (just scavenged the drive, nothing else I > > could use). I think it was a Performa something, but when it powered up, it > > didn't do anything. Didn't know enough to try to troubleshoot, so took what > > I wanted... Might try booting with Ubuntu 5.1 and see if I can get to > > anything interesting on it, or even if the drive is any good. Adaptec BIOS > > recognized the drive, but said 5 MB transfer(?!?) > > > > Richard > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On > > Behalf Of Dennis Myhand > > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 4:17 PM > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] filesystems on Macs? > > > > > > Richard Suberg wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know what filesystem Macs use before OS X? I don't know how > >> > > old > > > >> this system was before it became parts. 50-pin scsi with an apple logo on > >> it ( or I wouldn't know it was the one I took out of a Mac. Think it was > >> about a 500-600MHz processor, but not sure.) > >> > >> I just wanted to see if I could see files before I reformat. I have a > >> > > habit > > > >> of looking for songs/sounds on old drives. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Richard > >> > >> > >> > > It was the Hierarchical File System (HFS), and if it is a 50 pin scsi, I > > doubt it is a 500-600 MHz processor. If you are working with anything > > other than an iMac, there should be some kind of number on the front > > like 7500/200. The first is the model number and the second is the > > processor speed. If it is one which says PowerPC, it could be anything > > from 266MHz to about 2GHz, and it would tell you on the label on the > > back. I have a beige tower 266 which is running MacOS 8.1. It has 68 > > pin scsi. 50 pin is really old. I think they stopped using 50 pin with > > the 680x0 Macs. Might be wrong, though. Peace, Dennis > > > > -- > > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 > > 7:54 AM > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 > > 7:54 AM > > > > > > > -- > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hewittrj_78244 at grandecom.net Tue May 22 10:57:48 2007 From: hewittrj_78244 at grandecom.net (RObert J Hewitt) Date: Tue May 22 10:58:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning Message-ID: <200705221558.l4MFvqPk021897@mx2.lsn.net> This is just a free warning to anybody who shops at PC Outlet formerly Discount Electronics. I don't know if anybody in either Satlug or XCSSA has encountered a problem with the in the past so I thought that I would warn anybody who has not been there Here it is: PC Outlet 2206 N.W. Loop 410, San Antonio, TX 78230. Freephone: +1 210 348 7677 E-mail: sales@sa-pc.com While I was being helped looking at a G3 I had my sons with me in the store, and my wife was doing all she could to manage them. One of my sons accidentally bumped into a shaky shelf with some merchandise sitting on it the MP4 player/ Camera. Now keep in mind that the package was intended to be hung on a peg not set on a shelf. Well to make a long story short I was told I need to purchase the Item since my 5 year old son allegedly knocked it off and my wife who did not see it fall picked it up and placed it onto a shelf. Other issues are when purchasing anything new or used there is a policy of NO refunds only exchange or store credit. I have never had a store require this on new products only used stuff. This is very understandably with the used but too me it is unacceptable on anything used. Basically I just want to warn anybody who goes into this store to watch yourself and any children or you to may wind up buying something you don't want. By the way this thing averages out at about 70 bucks tops on the internet and it looks like Pacificgeeks (after doing a Google search) is the only online retailer who carries it Robert From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue May 22 11:02:45 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue May 22 11:03:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning In-Reply-To: <200705221558.l4MFvqPk021897@mx2.lsn.net> Message-ID: <345479.68102.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> i'm actually going to go over there to pick up a used g3 tower..hopefully I can test it before I buy it. --- RObert J Hewitt wrote: > This is just a free warning to anybody who shops at > PC Outlet formerly > Discount Electronics. > > > > I don't know if anybody in either Satlug or XCSSA > has encountered a problem > with the in the past so I thought that I would warn > anybody who has not been > there > > Here it is: > > > > > > PC Outlet > 2206 N.W. Loop 410, > San Antonio, TX 78230. > Freephone: +1 210 348 7677 > E-mail: sales@sa-pc.com > > > > > > While I was being helped looking at a G3 I had my > sons with me in the store, > and my wife was doing all she could to manage them. > One of my sons > accidentally bumped into a shaky shelf with some > merchandise sitting on it > the MP4 player/ Camera. Now keep in mind that the > package was intended to be > hung on a peg not set on a shelf. > > > > Well to make a long story short I was told I need to > purchase the Item since > my 5 year old son allegedly knocked it off and my > wife who did not see it > fall picked it up and placed it onto a shelf. Other > issues are when > purchasing anything new or used there is a policy of > NO refunds only > exchange or store credit. I have never had a store > require this on new > products only used stuff. This is very > understandably with the used but too > me it is unacceptable on anything used. Basically I > just want to warn > anybody who goes into this store to watch yourself > and any children or you > to may wind up buying something you don't want. By > the way this thing > averages out at about 70 bucks tops on the internet > and it looks like > Pacificgeeks (after doing a Google search) is the > only online retailer who > carries it > > > > Robert > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From chmims at gmail.com Tue May 22 13:12:47 2007 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Tue May 22 13:13:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning In-Reply-To: <200705221558.l4MFvqPk021897@mx2.lsn.net> References: <200705221558.l4MFvqPk021897@mx2.lsn.net> Message-ID: <9e4edf580705221112i1ffcb595x6e73329096a18884@mail.gmail.com> I have always wondered how a 'you break it, you buy it' policy could be enforced if you simply refused to pay? On 5/22/07, RObert J Hewitt wrote: > > This is just a free warning to anybody who shops at PC Outlet formerly > Discount Electronics. > > > > I don't know if anybody in either Satlug or XCSSA has encountered a > problem > with the in the past so I thought that I would warn anybody who has not > been > there > > Here it is: > > > > > > PC Outlet > 2206 N.W. Loop 410, > San Antonio, TX 78230. > Freephone: +1 210 348 7677 > E-mail: sales@sa-pc.com > > > > > > While I was being helped looking at a G3 I had my sons with me in the > store, > and my wife was doing all she could to manage them. One of my sons > accidentally bumped into a shaky shelf with some merchandise sitting on it > the MP4 player/ Camera. Now keep in mind that the package was intended to > be > hung on a peg not set on a shelf. > > > > Well to make a long story short I was told I need to purchase the Item > since > my 5 year old son allegedly knocked it off and my wife who did not see it > fall picked it up and placed it onto a shelf. Other issues are when > purchasing anything new or used there is a policy of NO refunds only > exchange or store credit. I have never had a store require this on new > products only used stuff. This is very understandably with the used but > too > me it is unacceptable on anything used. Basically I just want to warn > anybody who goes into this store to watch yourself and any children or you > to may wind up buying something you don't want. By the way this thing > averages out at about 70 bucks tops on the internet and it looks like > Pacificgeeks (after doing a Google search) is the only online retailer > who > carries it > > > > Robert > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue May 22 13:17:48 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue May 22 13:18:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580705221112i1ffcb595x6e73329096a18884@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <265858.4055.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> if it was a accident I wouldnt pay for it, especially if its just teetering there waiting to fall. --- Charles Mims wrote: > I have always wondered how a 'you break it, you buy > it' policy could be > enforced > if you simply refused to pay? > > On 5/22/07, RObert J Hewitt > wrote: > > > > This is just a free warning to anybody who shops > at PC Outlet formerly > > Discount Electronics. > > > > > > > > I don't know if anybody in either Satlug or XCSSA > has encountered a > > problem > > with the in the past so I thought that I would > warn anybody who has not > > been > > there > > > > Here it is: > > > > > > > > > > > > PC Outlet > > 2206 N.W. Loop 410, > > San Antonio, TX 78230. > > Freephone: +1 210 348 7677 > > E-mail: > sales@sa-pc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > While I was being helped looking at a G3 I had my > sons with me in the > > store, > > and my wife was doing all she could to manage > them. One of my sons > > accidentally bumped into a shaky shelf with some > merchandise sitting on it > > the MP4 player/ Camera. Now keep in mind that the > package was intended to > > be > > hung on a peg not set on a shelf. > > > > > > > > Well to make a long story short I was told I need > to purchase the Item > > since > > my 5 year old son allegedly knocked it off and my > wife who did not see it > > fall picked it up and placed it onto a shelf. > Other issues are when > > purchasing anything new or used there is a policy > of NO refunds only > > exchange or store credit. I have never had a > store require this on new > > products only used stuff. This is very > understandably with the used but > > too > > me it is unacceptable on anything used. Basically > I just want to warn > > anybody who goes into this store to watch yourself > and any children or you > > to may wind up buying something you don't want. > By the way this thing > > averages out at about 70 bucks tops on the > internet and it looks like > > Pacificgeeks (after doing a Google search) is the > only online retailer > > who > > carries it > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Tue May 22 13:37:17 2007 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Tue May 22 13:37:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning In-Reply-To: <265858.4055.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <9e4edf580705221112i1ffcb595x6e73329096a18884@mail.gmail.com> <265858.4055.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10705221137x6bc248f9rbc1689c170dc359a@mail.gmail.com> well the DO need to move some merchandise hahahahahahah On 5/22/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > if it was a accident I wouldnt pay for it, especially > if its just teetering there waiting to fall. > > > --- Charles Mims wrote: > > > I have always wondered how a 'you break it, you buy > > it' policy could be > > enforced > > if you simply refused to pay? > > > > On 5/22/07, RObert J Hewitt > > wrote: > > > > > > This is just a free warning to anybody who shops > > at PC Outlet formerly > > > Discount Electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if anybody in either Satlug or XCSSA > > has encountered a > > > problem > > > with the in the past so I thought that I would > > warn anybody who has not > > > been > > > there > > > > > > Here it is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PC Outlet > > > 2206 N.W. Loop 410, > > > San Antonio, TX 78230. > > > Freephone: +1 210 348 7677 > > > E-mail: > > sales@sa-pc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I was being helped looking at a G3 I had my > > sons with me in the > > > store, > > > and my wife was doing all she could to manage > > them. One of my sons > > > accidentally bumped into a shaky shelf with some > > merchandise sitting on it > > > the MP4 player/ Camera. Now keep in mind that the > > package was intended to > > > be > > > hung on a peg not set on a shelf. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well to make a long story short I was told I need > > to purchase the Item > > > since > > > my 5 year old son allegedly knocked it off and my > > wife who did not see it > > > fall picked it up and placed it onto a shelf. > > Other issues are when > > > purchasing anything new or used there is a policy > > of NO refunds only > > > exchange or store credit. I have never had a > > store require this on new > > > products only used stuff. This is very > > understandably with the used but > > > too > > > me it is unacceptable on anything used. Basically > > I just want to warn > > > anybody who goes into this store to watch yourself > > and any children or you > > > to may wind up buying something you don't want. > > By the way this thing > > > averages out at about 70 bucks tops on the > > internet and it looks like > > > Pacificgeeks (after doing a Google search) is the > > only online retailer > > > who > > > carries it > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! 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Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue May 22 13:43:09 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue May 22 13:43:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10705221137x6bc248f9rbc1689c170dc359a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <524702.89009.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> LOL --- country wrote: > well the DO need to move some merchandise > hahahahahahah > > > > > On 5/22/07, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > > if it was a accident I wouldnt pay for it, > especially > > if its just teetering there waiting to fall. > > > > > > --- Charles Mims wrote: > > > > > I have always wondered how a 'you break it, you > buy > > > it' policy could be > > > enforced > > > if you simply refused to pay? > > > > > > On 5/22/07, RObert J Hewitt > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This is just a free warning to anybody who > shops > > > at PC Outlet formerly > > > > Discount Electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if anybody in either Satlug or > XCSSA > > > has encountered a > > > > problem > > > > with the in the past so I thought that I would > > > warn anybody who has not > > > > been > > > > there > > > > > > > > Here it is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PC Outlet > > > > 2206 N.W. Loop 410, > > > > San Antonio, TX 78230. > > > > Freephone: +1 210 348 7677 > > > > E-mail: > > > sales@sa-pc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I was being helped looking at a G3 I had > my > > > sons with me in the > > > > store, > > > > and my wife was doing all she could to manage > > > them. One of my sons > > > > accidentally bumped into a shaky shelf with > some > > > merchandise sitting on it > > > > the MP4 player/ Camera. Now keep in mind that > the > > > package was intended to > > > > be > > > > hung on a peg not set on a shelf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well to make a long story short I was told I > need > > > to purchase the Item > > > > since > > > > my 5 year old son allegedly knocked it off and > my > > > wife who did not see it > > > > fall picked it up and placed it onto a shelf. > > > Other issues are when > > > > purchasing anything new or used there is a > policy > > > of NO refunds only > > > > exchange or store credit. I have never had a > > > store require this on new > > > > products only used stuff. This is very > > > understandably with the used but > > > > too > > > > me it is unacceptable on anything used. > Basically > > > I just want to warn > > > > anybody who goes into this store to watch > yourself > > > and any children or you > > > > to may wind up buying something you don't > want. > > > By the way this thing > > > > averages out at about 70 bucks tops on the > > > internet and it looks like > > > > Pacificgeeks (after doing a Google search) is > the > > > only online retailer > > > > who > > > > carries it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > > unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > to > > > unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Ft. Devens > 138th Avn Co (RR) > HHC USASATR Ft Devens > 507th USASAE SPD > 138th Avn Co (RR) > 293rd Avn Co (SA) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From donguitar at gmail.com Tue May 22 14:21:14 2007 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Donguitar) Date: Tue May 22 14:21:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning References: <200705221558.l4MFvqPk021897@mx2.lsn.net> <9e4edf580705221112i1ffcb595x6e73329096a18884@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d001c79ca6$5e36c3a0$1308a8c0@dec842502> > I have always wondered how a 'you break it, you buy it' policy could be > enforced > if you simply refused to pay? > (Charles Mims) I had a small music shop in Burnet for years. A fellow came in once and wanted to see a harmonica. I handed it to him and he right away blew on it. I told him "You just bought that.". He refused to pay for it. I tossed in the trash and told him (in very firm tones) to "get the **** out of my store, you dumb*** son-of-a-b****, and don't ever come back". I've no idea how he felt but I felt like it was worth a lot more than the dealer net price of the harmonica and I've had no occasion to alter that opinion since then. I think there's a clear line between your rights as a customer and the store's rights as a retailer. If somebody saw your son knock it off the shelf and it was clearly damaged beyond repair, I'd buy it. I'd want a receipt and I might attempt to get a warranty repair or replacement but I'd tell the whole story on the warranty claim. If nobody saw it happen then my response wouldn't be monetary and, while inadvisable to reproduce here, would most likely involve colorful references to osculation and my gluteus maximus. Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/ From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Tue May 22 14:26:50 2007 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Tue May 22 14:27:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning In-Reply-To: <00d001c79ca6$5e36c3a0$1308a8c0@dec842502> References: <200705221558.l4MFvqPk021897@mx2.lsn.net> <9e4edf580705221112i1ffcb595x6e73329096a18884@mail.gmail.com> <00d001c79ca6$5e36c3a0$1308a8c0@dec842502> Message-ID: <294cd3d10705221226k71e88848se49f97133a130017@mail.gmail.com> I manage a store, and I attempt not to have anything that can be knocked off shelves etc, by accident, however, I HAVE personally seen rug rat brat kids, actually climb a set of shelves to get to something on the top shelf, I grab the kid (prior to him falling) put him on the ground and ask where his parents are, and he says they are in the other part of the store and told him to comeinto Radio Shack and play with the toys until they got through shopping. As soon as they came to collect the child (I had put him to watching TV) I presented them with a bill of 150.00 for baby sitting their kid while they were shoppping, they thought it was a joke, until it was that or the 300.00robot toy he broke... Now on the other side of the coin I have seen some merchandisers put merchandise on shelves that were less than stable, in the obvous hope someone would knock them off and the broke it bought it philosophy would move old merchandise. In both cases, there are special places in the seventh level of hadies for them.. On 5/22/07, Donguitar wrote: > > > I have always wondered how a 'you break it, you buy it' policy could be > > enforced > > if you simply refused to pay? > > (Charles Mims) > > I had a small music shop in Burnet for years. A fellow came in once and > wanted to see a harmonica. I handed it to him and he right away blew on > it. > I told him "You just bought that.". He refused to pay for it. I tossed > in > the trash and told him (in very firm tones) to "get the **** out of my > store, you dumb*** son-of-a-b****, and don't ever come back". I've no > idea > how he felt but I felt like it was worth a lot more than the dealer net > price of the harmonica and I've had no occasion to alter that opinion > since > then. > > I think there's a clear line between your rights as a customer and the > store's rights as a retailer. If somebody saw your son knock it off the > shelf and it was clearly damaged beyond repair, I'd buy it. I'd want a > receipt and I might attempt to get a warranty repair or replacement but > I'd > tell the whole story on the warranty claim. > > If nobody saw it happen then my response wouldn't be monetary and, while > inadvisable to reproduce here, would most likely involve colorful > references > to osculation and my gluteus maximus. > > Don Crowder > http://www.don-guitar.com > http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From cranesable at gmail.com Tue May 22 17:17:49 2007 From: cranesable at gmail.com (Sean Crandall) Date: Tue May 22 17:18:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] A fair warning In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580705221112i1ffcb595x6e73329096a18884@mail.gmail.com> References: <200705221558.l4MFvqPk021897@mx2.lsn.net> <9e4edf580705221112i1ffcb595x6e73329096a18884@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46536C0D.5030203@gmail.com> If somebody tries to tell you "break it, buy it," tell them they can take it to small claims court. They're not entitled to collect from you the markup for a damaged good---they're just looking for a windfall. What they can fairly collect is the cost of replacement for a fungible good, but if they negligently placed it, they probably can't even get that much. If the thing was improperly placed on a precarious shelf when it was designed to hang, they may not be entitled to anything. So I would never just cave to somebody who insisted I outright buy a damaged good. On the other hand, if I negligently damaged damaged a well-placed item, I might be more cooperative if the proprietor reasonably asked me to pay to replace it. Sean Crandall Charles Mims wrote: > I have always wondered how a 'you break it, you buy it' policy could be > enforced > if you simply refused to pay? > > On 5/22/07, RObert J Hewitt wrote: >> >> This is just a free warning to anybody who shops at PC Outlet formerly >> Discount Electronics. >> >> >> >> I don't know if anybody in either Satlug or XCSSA has encountered a >> problem >> with the in the past so I thought that I would warn anybody who has not >> been >> there >> >> Here it is: >> >> >> >> >> >> PC Outlet >> 2206 N.W. Loop 410, >> San Antonio, TX 78230. >> Freephone: +1 210 348 7677 >> E-mail: sales@sa-pc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> While I was being helped looking at a G3 I had my sons with me in the >> store, >> and my wife was doing all she could to manage them. One of my sons >> accidentally bumped into a shaky shelf with some merchandise sitting >> on it >> the MP4 player/ Camera. Now keep in mind that the package was intended to >> be >> hung on a peg not set on a shelf. >> >> >> >> Well to make a long story short I was told I need to purchase the Item >> since >> my 5 year old son allegedly knocked it off and my wife who did not see it >> fall picked it up and placed it onto a shelf. Other issues are when >> purchasing anything new or used there is a policy of NO refunds only >> exchange or store credit. I have never had a store require this on new >> products only used stuff. This is very understandably with the used but >> too >> me it is unacceptable on anything used. Basically I just want to warn >> anybody who goes into this store to watch yourself and any children or >> you >> to may wind up buying something you don't want. By the way this thing >> averages out at about 70 bucks tops on the internet and it looks like >> Pacificgeeks (after doing a Google search) is the only online retailer >> who >> carries it >> >> >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> From hewittrj_78244 at grandecom.net Tue May 22 17:32:49 2007 From: hewittrj_78244 at grandecom.net (RObert J Hewitt) Date: Tue May 22 17:33:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] RE. A Fair Warning Message-ID: <200705222232.l4MMWqaE024299@mx2.lsn.net> First off the only reason that I did pay for the stupid thing is that if my 5yr old son did damage the item then it would only be right to pay for it, I used to be in retail too at Radio Shack. But it was just an accident. I sent an e-mail to the owner of the store and his response was as posted (and just so no shadow is caste here is the message I sent to them also): What I sent them: To Whom it May Concern, On May 17, 2007 I was in your store with my family looking to purchase a computer. While a sales rep was helping my one of my sons bumped into a shelf and a MP3 player in packaging fell off the shelf, the unit was a AudioAmco MP4 Player. understanding that it was caused by my son I was prompted to purchase the Item by Ms. Valdez. Needless to say I am very displeased with the outcome because the shelf that the item was on was not very stable. Now if this is the way that you do business then I find no reason for myself or anyone I know to enter your establishment for any reason and as such i will be informing anyone I know that your business practice is of questionable intent and to avoid your store at all cost. I have never been treated this way by any company across the state, the nation or even online. And as for the product in question I find it to be of substandard construction and the quality of the images that it produces is not worth $99.00 price tag. I will never purchase from your establishment ever again and i will recommend to anyone who asks of me to avoid your store LIKE THE PLAGUE. Good Day Sir. What they sent back Your children were running around our store unsupervised. They knocked over a computer case and Ms. Valdez asked your wife to supervise her children. Your wife informed Ms. Valdez that the children do not listen to her. Moments later, your child bumped into one of carts and knocked the MP4 to the floor causing damage to the product. The quality of the product is not the issue. The issue is whether PC Outlet should suffer a loss due to unsupervised children. However, as an effort to meet you half way, I will gladly give you a $30 store credit. The cost of the product was $69. I have inspected the shelf, the shelf is stable. I apologize you are unhappy about this situation. Ben Bracher No computer case was knocked over and if so why did they not say anything to me about it, and my wife said that the kids have trouble understanding not that they don't listen. And I am sorry but I bumped the shelf it was on and it does shake. So if an Item meant to be put on a peg it would fall. As for any possible way to salvage this there is no way I sold it to my dad who paid what I lost and then after looking closely found that the screen is double stick taped to the PCB inside. (He didn't want my son to feel bad he said). And as for the cost of the item like I said I found it for $69.99 online, so I am still not impressed. From hc at lookcee.com Tue May 22 18:36:11 2007 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Tue May 22 18:36:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Stuck on Grub error Message-ID: <46537E6B.8060303@lookcee.com> Hey guys, I am really stuck. Background: I first tried Fedora core 6 and Dan G suggested maybe Ubuntu would be a better choice he was right, thanks Daniel, I am running an old 5.10 version on this puter and I have not used the Win-rig for 2-3wks so wanted to set up second puter for Linux. I previously caused a crash using U-5.10 running on 82G HD changing the vid settings leading to failure to boot Grub stage 1.5, error 15. I gave up trying to fix and installed this 20G HD reloading U-5.10. Its running well. OK, I put the 82G in another P-III-550, same intel mobo and I bought 4 CDs from DiscountLinuxDVD. My goal is to set up the long term support 6.06.1 as main server and 2 workstations one with 6.06 and one with the new 7.04. 1.. Ubuntu 7.04 server CD 2.. Ubuntu 7.04 Desktop CD 3.. Ubuntu 6.06.1 server Install CD 4.. Ubuntu 6.06.1 desktop Install CD Plus I have the 5.10 CD?? and I have another ?? XP 2006 I have tried all of these and only one i get a command line during an attempted boot is the XP and it is another language so i don't know what it wants. All of the rest just terminate with the Grub error and i can find no solution by searching more than likely cause i do not know the question to ask. Also none of these CDs are marked as 'live CD' What I want is to stop the error, reformat the drive or anything that will allow me to install any of the newer versions of Ubuntu. I tried to boot with a Win recovery flop but the flop says no op-sys found, I have no other tools to use, I tried to make a new flop but Win claims it cannot find files and quits, I tried putting this 82G drive as a slave to the Win sys but it fails to see the drive in my-computer so cannot format that way. I am too new to know if I can put this HD in as a slave for the running Linux box, since i have no idea how to proceed in formatting under Linux. I can sure try if someone can guide me maybe be a good time to learn. I have asked on the Ubuntu forum but no answers. thanks herb From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Tue May 22 20:25:27 2007 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Tue May 22 20:25:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] RE. A Fair Warning In-Reply-To: <200705222232.l4MMWqaE024299@mx2.lsn.net> References: <200705222232.l4MMWqaE024299@mx2.lsn.net> Message-ID: <294cd3d10705221825o49b16c8awef87c1258ac74763@mail.gmail.com> I fully understand, and usually with incidents like you describe, I just send the product back as damaged and get another one in return. I usually closely supervise children, unsupervised, in my area, (we are a franchise, and part of another store) and having read input from you here, fully feel that you are not in fault, and the staff should have taken better control of their own matters. Reading your input here, I would have not paid for the item, especially as it seems the clerk had an 'attitude problem'.... I do work closely with the owner, and we discuss problems of this nature, as soon as they happen, which does not seem the case here, so any corrective action can be done to prevent such problems in the future. My problem is those that come to the other part of the store, and send their kids back to Radio Shack to play with the toys and don't bother mommy and daddy while we are shopping.. really ruffles my feathers, and I have been known to escort the children back to the parents and tell them that the children are not allowed in Radio Shack without parental supervision. On 5/22/07, RObert J Hewitt wrote: > > First off the only reason that I did pay for the stupid thing is that if > my > 5yr old son did damage the item then it would only be right to pay for it, > I used to be in retail too at Radio Shack. But it was just an > accident. I > sent an e-mail to the owner of the store and his response was as posted > (and > just so no shadow is caste here is the message I sent to them also): > > > > > > What I sent them: > > > > To Whom it May Concern, > > > > On May 17, 2007 I was in your store with my family looking to > purchase a computer. While a sales rep was helping my one of my sons > bumped > into a shelf and a MP3 player in packaging fell off the shelf, the unit > was > a AudioAmco MP4 Player. understanding that it was caused by my son I was > prompted to purchase the Item by Ms. Valdez. Needless to say I am very > displeased with the outcome because the shelf that the item was on was not > very stable. Now if this is the way that you do business then I find no > reason for myself or anyone I know to enter your establishment for any > reason and as such i will be informing anyone I know that your business > practice is of questionable intent and to avoid your store at all cost. I > have never been treated this way by any company across the state, the > nation > or even online. And as for the product in question I find it to be of > substandard construction and the quality of the images that it produces is > not worth $99.00 price tag. I will never purchase from your establishment > ever again and i will recommend to anyone who asks of me to avoid your > store > LIKE THE PLAGUE. > > > > > > Good Day Sir. > > > > > > What they sent back > > Your children were running around our store unsupervised. They knocked > over a computer case and Ms. Valdez asked your wife to supervise her > children. Your wife informed Ms. Valdez that the children do not listen > to > her. Moments later, your child bumped into one of carts and knocked the > MP4 > to the floor causing damage to the product. The quality of the product is > not the issue. The issue is whether PC Outlet should suffer a loss due > to > unsupervised children. However, as an effort to meet you half way, I will > gladly give you a $30 store credit. The cost of the product was $69. > > > > I have inspected the shelf, the shelf is stable. > > I apologize you are unhappy about this situation. > > Ben Bracher > > No computer case was knocked over and if so why did they not say anything > to > me about it, and my wife said that the kids have trouble understanding not > that they don't listen. And I am sorry but I bumped the shelf it was on > and > it does shake. So if an Item meant to be put on a peg it would fall. As > for any possible way to salvage this there is no way I sold it to my dad > who > paid what I lost and then after looking closely found that the screen is > double stick taped to the PCB inside. (He didn't want my son to feel bad > he > said). And as for the cost of the item like I said I found it for $69.99 > online, so I am still not impressed. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From brad at shub-internet.org Tue May 22 22:20:55 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue May 22 22:37:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] RE. A Fair Warning In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10705221825o49b16c8awef87c1258ac74763@mail.gmail.com> References: <200705222232.l4MMWqaE024299@mx2.lsn.net> <294cd3d10705221825o49b16c8awef87c1258ac74763@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/22/07, country wrote: > My problem is those that come to the other part of the store, and send their > kids back to Radio Shack to play with the toys and don't bother mommy and > daddy while we are shopping. I remember when I was young, and yes I did go to Radio Shack a lot. I frequently went there while my parents were shopping elsewhere. But my parents also made it abundantly clear to me that if I broke anything, I was going to have to pay for it myself, so I made damn sure that I never broke anything at any retail store -- Radio Shack or otherwise. Maybe I was a better-behaved-than-average kid, but I don't believe that this kind of situation should necessarily result in this kind of response -- kids should be able to come into places like Radio Shack, and do so without adult supervision. But they shouldn't be breaking things or knocking them off the shelves, either. I wasn't there, I don't know all the details of the situation. The shelf should not have been unstable, and there shouldn't have been any easily broken devices on it (stable or otherwise). But then the kids shouldn't have knocked the stuff off the shelf, either way. I can say that it sounds like the OP got put into an unpleasant situation, and the response of the store staff doesn't sound very consumer-friendly. I dunno. Given what I've seen here, it sounds to me like this store wouldn't be the kind of place I'd feel comfortable going into when I'm down in San Antonio, and I'd have reservations about going into another store by the same chain up here in Austin. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From travisimo1993 at gmail.com Tue May 22 23:05:51 2007 From: travisimo1993 at gmail.com (Travis M.) Date: Tue May 22 23:06:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] BLFS -- root's PATH is all messed up... Message-ID: <3fddcd410705222105y58c06e55v24ae6b4eeb565a32@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have finally got to BLFS, after compiling a kernel, configuring GRUB, and then rebooting! However, I seem to have ran into a problem...it seems that root's PATH enviroment variable is all messed up, after I installed Linux-PAM (the one from the LFS book, since it's slightly newer), and reinstalled Shadow (from the BLFS book). The BLFS book says to create a "~/.bashrc" file, but I dunno how to create a working one, and Lynx is horrible on my laptop (VGA text console with small letters, it's a *feature* specific to my laptop). I might need to create more than just the "~/.bashrc" file, so I need to know what I need to do to set a working PATH enviroment variable at login time. I'll also need to know what a working PATH is, of course. Without a working PATH, I won't be able to install OpenSSH-Server or configure IPTables right now, and so I really need a working PATH. Thanks -- Travis M. -------------------------------------------------------------- Ubuntu Linux user (primarily) From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue May 22 23:29:57 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue May 22 23:30:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] BLFS -- root's PATH is all messed up... In-Reply-To: <3fddcd410705222105y58c06e55v24ae6b4eeb565a32@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fddcd410705222105y58c06e55v24ae6b4eeb565a32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4653C345.9050504@gmail.com> Travis M. wrote: > Hello, > > I have finally got to BLFS, after compiling a kernel, configuring > GRUB, and then rebooting! > > However, I seem to have ran into a problem...it seems that root's PATH > enviroment variable is all messed up, after I installed Linux-PAM (the > one from the LFS book, since it's slightly newer), and reinstalled > Shadow (from the BLFS book). The BLFS book says to create a > "~/.bashrc" file, but I dunno how to create a working one, and Lynx is > horrible on my laptop (VGA text console with small letters, it's a > *feature* specific to my laptop). I might need to create more than > just the "~/.bashrc" file, so I need to know what I need to do to set > a working PATH enviroment variable at login time. I'll also need to > know what a working PATH is, of course. > > Without a working PATH, I won't be able to install OpenSSH-Server or > configure IPTables right now, and so I really need a working PATH. To change the default font, try putting vga=ask on the kernel line in grub. Then you can set another font. For instance, I use vga=0xf07. I don't use PAM on my systems. Since I'm the only user, I don't see the need. BTW, there is no PAM in the LFS book. Perhaps you are referring to shadow. In any case, PAM will only affect your ability to login. It will not affect initialization of the shell after login. Since you are probably working as root, you really need to create good /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc files. BLFS gives examples of both in Chapter 3. The /etc/profile has: # Set the initial path export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin if [ $EUID -eq 0 ] ; then pathappend /sbin:/usr/sbin unset HISTFILE fi That should fix your PATH problem. Don't worry too much about customization of ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc yet, but the same section gives examples of those. Use them in conjunction with the bash man page to learn about the initialization process and decide about any modifications that you may want to make. -- Bruce From ldoss at triad.rr.com Tue May 22 14:22:20 2007 From: ldoss at triad.rr.com (Lamont Doss) Date: Wed May 23 02:58:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio Message-ID: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> I apologize in advance, since this query is not Linux related (directly). But Im moving to San Antonio soon (scheduled to arrive late July), and just wanted to get any opinions and/or warnings about the area. From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed May 23 03:05:49 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed May 23 03:06:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> Message-ID: <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> Lamont Doss wrote: > I apologize in advance, since this query is not Linux related > (directly). But Im moving to San Antonio soon (scheduled to arrive late > July), and just wanted to get any opinions and/or warnings about the > area. > It can get REALLY hot in the Summer. -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed May 23 03:33:27 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Wed May 23 03:39:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <4653FC57.1000100@futuretechsolutions.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > Lamont Doss wrote: >> I apologize in advance, since this query is not Linux related >> (directly). But Im moving to San Antonio soon (scheduled to arrive late >> July), and just wanted to get any opinions and/or warnings about the >> area. >> > It can get REALLY hot in the Summer. > Depending on the part of the country you come from, "REALLY hot" could be a serious understatement. Don't upset the A/C guy :) From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 23 06:06:03 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 23 06:06:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] RE. A Fair Warning In-Reply-To: References: <200705222232.l4MMWqaE024299@mx2.lsn.net> <294cd3d10705221825o49b16c8awef87c1258ac74763@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4623.192.62.88.55.1179918363.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > I dunno. Given what I've seen here, it sounds to me like this store > wouldn't be the kind of place I'd feel comfortable going into when > I'm down in San Antonio, and I'd have reservations about going into > another store by the same chain up here in Austin. I've had pretty good experiences going in there, but I don't have kids. I've purchased a laptop, desktop, and a 500MHz iMac, plus a few various odds and ends, and the only problem I've had was a DVD-ROM/CD-RW that went bad. I had forgotten to get the restore disk for the laptop - a memory module I installed after getting the laptop went bad but I didn't read the symptoms correctly, so I tried re-installing WinXP (my wife's laptop) from a student edition. That went over like a lead balloon with the license I tried using from the sticker on the laptop. I told one of the guys from the store, and all I have to do is bring the laptop in and they'll give me a restore disk after they verify the license. Maybe that's the way it should be, but I was looking at buying WinXP, so it's a win. The store up here in Austin is on average about $10-$30 more for similar items than San Antonio, though. There aren't too many similar stores in San Antonio that I ever found while I was there, and there are quite a few similar stores here in Austin. Those places can be gold mines if you look enough. From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 23 08:04:07 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 23 08:04:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Lamont Doss wrote: >> I apologize in advance, since this query is not Linux related >> (directly). But Im moving to San Antonio soon (scheduled to arrive late >> July), and just wanted to get any opinions and/or warnings about the >> area. >> > It can get REALLY hot in the Summer. Oh, here goes...forgive me if I step on some toes here. Stay away from KB Homes if you are planning to build or buy a home. The south side is starting to build up since Toyota opened their plant there. You also wouldn't go wrong on the wide north side of San Antonio outside the loop - I say "wide" since that would be from Highway 90 all the way over to the Judson area, probably even further down. Also, Alamo Heights is a nice area as well. There is a ton of construction still going on, especially around the airport area on Loop 410. Some of the entrance ramps are shortened and have a wall where you can't see around them until you are almost into traffic, so be careful. The Riverwalk is one of the main attractions if you haven't already found out, but be prepared to pay for the scenery when you eat there. There is a big military community in San Antonio. Since the water comes from an aquifer, the water is pretty hard. They just recently voted to add fluoride as well. Industry is beginning to pick up a little in San Antonio, but a hefty majority of the jobs are more call-center or service industry oriented. There are some companies in the tech industry that have spilled over from Austin. Generally, housing costs in San Antonio are very low compared to most other cities of the same size. There are several 4-year universities to choose from, one of them part of the University of Texas system and one of them an extension of Texas A&M. I don't know what the A&M extension teaches, but I heard they want to expand it pretty soon. The rest of them are private colleges and I've heard pretty expensive. There is also the Health Science Center in the northwest slice of town, and there is a pretty big, sprawling medical center around that area. If you haven't heard of them, check out information on both the rodeo and Fiesta. They are pretty big in SA. Also, check out the Poteet Strawberry Festival. I'm sure there are others. You will have your fill of Tex-Mex! My personal favorite is Cha-Cho's, but YMMV. Judson High School is one of the largest in the state, if not the entire country. Sorry if I ticked anyone off. ;) Enjoy! Tom King From dryicezero at gmail.com Wed May 23 08:21:12 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed May 23 08:21:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <319067990705230621l34ea1b9aq737d88311990f21b@mail.gmail.com> I offer my opinion - a person who was born and raised in San Antonio, yet has traveled most of the 50 states, canada, mexico, central and south america, and most of western europe. San Antonio is a great place to live as Texas is great in general. My only warning is to be highly selective about where you live. Try to live as close as possible to where you work without moving into the seedy areas. Those areas are easily spotted, so you don't have to look hard. If you stay outside of 410 you are fairly safe, if you are outside of 1604, you are even more safe. What part of town are you working on? If you can give me a general area, I can recommend the best areas to live near there. Other than that, this is a great city with spectacular food, a great night life, two theme parks, a booming economy, mostly nice people and PLENTY of space to park - unlike the east or west coast. The people on the SATLUG list are also very nice people that are insightful and helpful as much as they can afford to be. We will all gladly help you with Linux issues as well as general information on San Antonio. Being that you are a techie, you will be looking for internet access as well I assume. There are two major players here - Time Warner Cable and AT&T DSL. I prefer TWC, but others may not. That may also be a factor in choosing a place to live since DSL does not go everywhere. We have some excellent electronics stores, with a Fry's not too far away in Austin. The malls are decent here but are often overrun by roaming and seemingly parentless kids. If you have any more specific questions, feel free to ask. Ernest On 5/23/07, Thomas King wrote: > > > Lamont Doss wrote: > >> I apologize in advance, since this query is not Linux related > >> (directly). But Im moving to San Antonio soon (scheduled to arrive late > >> July), and just wanted to get any opinions and/or warnings about the > >> area. > >> > > It can get REALLY hot in the Summer. > > Oh, here goes...forgive me if I step on some toes here. > > Stay away from KB Homes if you are planning to build or buy a home. > The south side is starting to build up since Toyota opened their plant > there. > You also wouldn't go wrong on the wide north side of San Antonio outside > the > loop - I say "wide" since that would be from Highway 90 all the way over > to the > Judson area, probably even further down. Also, Alamo Heights is a nice > area as > well. > There is a ton of construction still going on, especially around the > airport > area on Loop 410. Some of the entrance ramps are shortened and have a wall > where > you can't see around them until you are almost into traffic, so be > careful. > The Riverwalk is one of the main attractions if you haven't already found > out, > but be prepared to pay for the scenery when you eat there. > There is a big military community in San Antonio. > Since the water comes from an aquifer, the water is pretty hard. They just > > recently voted to add fluoride as well. > Industry is beginning to pick up a little in San Antonio, but a hefty > majority > of the jobs are more call-center or service industry oriented. There are > some > companies in the tech industry that have spilled over from Austin. > Generally, housing costs in San Antonio are very low compared to most > other > cities of the same size. > There are several 4-year universities to choose from, one of them part of > the > University of Texas system and one of them an extension of Texas A&M. I > don't > know what the A&M extension teaches, but I heard they want to expand it > pretty > soon. The rest of them are private colleges and I've heard pretty > expensive. > There is also the Health Science Center in the northwest slice of town, > and > there is a pretty big, sprawling medical center around that area. > If you haven't heard of them, check out information on both the rodeo and > Fiesta. They are pretty big in SA. Also, check out the Poteet Strawberry > Festival. I'm sure there are others. > You will have your fill of Tex-Mex! My personal favorite is Cha-Cho's, but > YMMV. > Judson High School is one of the largest in the state, if not the entire > country. > > Sorry if I ticked anyone off. ;) > > Enjoy! > Tom King > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed May 23 09:07:43 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed May 23 09:08:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <46544AAF.1070103@gmail.com> Thomas King wrote: >> Lamont Doss wrote: >> >>> I apologize in advance, since this query is not Linux related >>> (directly). But Im moving to San Antonio soon (scheduled to arrive late >>> July), and just wanted to get any opinions and/or warnings about the >>> area. >>> >>> > Since the water comes from an aquifer, the water is pretty hard. So you will probably want to invest in a water softener. > They just > recently voted to add fluoride as well. > Again, an investment in a Berkey water purifier wouldn't be bad either. > Judson High School is one of the largest in the state, if not the entire country. > Technically, Judson is in Kirby, not San Antonio. If you live near Judson, you want to be on the north side of the train tracks that run parallel to 78. ~Nate From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed May 23 09:49:20 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed May 23 09:49:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] RE. A Fair Warning In-Reply-To: <200705222232.l4MMWqaE024299@mx2.lsn.net> Message-ID: <654714.68041.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> To play devils advocate since I've read what the owner said... I myself do not like undisciplined children. In my neighborhood some kids play in my driveway or run through my yard and I literally yell at them to get out of my driveway and my yard. I tell their parents to keep their kids out too, so their parents know where I stand. Keeps 'em out. If your kid(s) are horsing around in the store and they dont listen to mom, take the f'in belt out on them. If your kids were like my neighbors kids, then I understand why the cashier had a attitude. Now if your children are well behaved and tripped or something and knocked over a shelf then I wouldnt have paid regardless of what anyone said. -Alex --- RObert J Hewitt wrote: > First off the only reason that I did pay for the > stupid thing is that if my > 5yr old son did damage the item then it would only > be right to pay for it, > I used to be in retail too at Radio Shack. But it > was just an accident. I > sent an e-mail to the owner of the store and his > response was as posted (and > just so no shadow is caste here is the message I > sent to them also): > > > > > > What I sent them: > > > > To Whom it May Concern, > > > > On May 17, 2007 I was in your store with my > family looking to > purchase a computer. While a sales rep was helping > my one of my sons bumped > into a shelf and a MP3 player in packaging fell off > the shelf, the unit was > a AudioAmco MP4 Player. understanding that it was > caused by my son I was > prompted to purchase the Item by Ms. Valdez. > Needless to say I am very > displeased with the outcome because the shelf that > the item was on was not > very stable. Now if this is the way that you do > business then I find no > reason for myself or anyone I know to enter your > establishment for any > reason and as such i will be informing anyone I know > that your business > practice is of questionable intent and to avoid your > store at all cost. I > have never been treated this way by any company > across the state, the nation > or even online. And as for the product in question I > find it to be of > substandard construction and the quality of the > images that it produces is > not worth $99.00 price tag. I will never purchase > from your establishment > ever again and i will recommend to anyone who asks > of me to avoid your store > LIKE THE PLAGUE. > > > > > > Good Day Sir. > > > > > > What they sent back > > Your children were running around our store > unsupervised. They knocked > over a computer case and Ms. Valdez asked your wife > to supervise her > children. Your wife informed Ms. Valdez that the > children do not listen to > her. Moments later, your child bumped into one of > carts and knocked the MP4 > to the floor causing damage to the product. The > quality of the product is > not the issue. The issue is whether PC Outlet > should suffer a loss due to > unsupervised children. However, as an effort to > meet you half way, I will > gladly give you a $30 store credit. The cost of the > product was $69. > > > > I have inspected the shelf, the shelf is stable. > > I apologize you are unhappy about this situation. > > > Ben Bracher > > No computer case was knocked over and if so why did > they not say anything to > me about it, and my wife said that the kids have > trouble understanding not > that they don't listen. And I am sorry but I bumped > the shelf it was on and > it does shake. So if an Item meant to be put on a > peg it would fall. As > for any possible way to salvage this there is no way > I sold it to my dad who > paid what I lost and then after looking closely > found that the screen is > double stick taped to the PCB inside. (He didn't > want my son to feel bad he > said). And as for the cost of the item like I said > I found it for $69.99 > online, so I am still not impressed. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From ldoss at triad.rr.com Wed May 23 10:36:53 2007 From: ldoss at triad.rr.com (Lamont Doss) Date: Wed May 23 10:33:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio Message-ID: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> Thanks for the responses thus far. Planning on traveling to the area later next month for a reconn trip, and I was informed that the office I would be working in is near 1604 and Culebra. Transferring from North Carolina, so as long as the A/C is working, I should be ok. Anything would be better than than the snowy winters of Colorado (used to live there as well). Looks like I should get an apartment for a couple of months until I learn the area a little better. Then build or buy from there. Time to price a water softener and purifier. Thanks again. From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed May 23 10:36:45 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed May 23 10:37:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> Message-ID: <46545F8D.1010608@gmail.com> Lamont Doss wrote: > Thanks for the responses thus far. > > Planning on traveling to the area later next month for a reconn trip, > and I was informed that the office I would be working in is near 1604 > and Culebra. Transferring from North Carolina, so as long as the A/C is > working, I should be ok. Anything would be better than than the snowy > winters of Colorado (used to live there as well). > That would be the NW side of San Antonio. I think that is the Northside School District. A lot of growth in that area recently and a lot of new schools going up. > Looks like I should get an apartment for a couple of months until I > learn the area a little better. Then build or buy from there. > Time to price a water softener and purifier. > Not a bad idea. ~Nate From ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com Wed May 23 10:40:00 2007 From: ASexton956 at Worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD) Date: Wed May 23 10:40:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> Message-ID: <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB9B08FB@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> Hi Lamont, That is correct, get a water softener! However, the area around Culebra and 1604 is pretty nice and you should not have a problem finding a home. There are several new neighborhoods around the hwy 151 and 1604 area that would be within 5 miles of the area you will be working. (I work within 2 miles of there near SeaWorld). Traffic is not too bad and my morning and evening commute of 20 miles take only about 30 mintues. Let me know and I will be happy to give you some specific recommendations on housing/appts via email. Art Sexton sexton@idxwebservices.com ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From dryicezero at gmail.com Wed May 23 10:48:08 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed May 23 10:48:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB9B08FB@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4C262BFF54BDC745B538836FC1B375EB9B08FB@SA1EMS10.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: <319067990705230848x222167bbqf62001fefd868463@mail.gmail.com> Based on the area you gave, 1604 and Culebra, I would recommend the North San Antonio Hills subdivision. My Fiancee's parents live there and it is very nice. It is quiet and out of the way. If I were to live on that side of town, I would live there. Not only is it nice, but the lots are very large which gives you good privacy. My largest concern every time I have moved is privacy. Too many developers are building subdivisions with manufactured homes that are less than 100 feet apart. In NSAH, the lots are so large there is often over 500 feet between houses, there are absolutely no manufactured homes so property value is always appreciating at a significantly higher rate than other areas, and like I said, it is very very quiet in there. If I wasn't moving to CA in August, I would probably move out there. At any rate, good luck with everything. If you need any other help, you can email me here or off list. Ernest On 5/23/07, Sexton, Art, ISD wrote: > > Hi Lamont, > > That is correct, get a water softener! > > However, the area around Culebra and 1604 is pretty nice and you should > not have a problem finding a home. There are several new neighborhoods > around the hwy 151 and 1604 area that would be within 5 miles of the > area you will be working. (I work within 2 miles of there near > SeaWorld). > > Traffic is not too bad and my morning and evening commute of 20 miles > take only about 30 mintues. > > Let me know and I will be happy to give you some specific > recommendations on housing/appts via email. > > Art Sexton > sexton@idxwebservices.com > > > > ***************************************************************************** > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify > the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend > any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. > > ***************************************************************************** > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From storey at clamp.ws Wed May 23 11:35:22 2007 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Wed May 23 11:35:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> Message-ID: <46546D4A.10807@clamp.ws> Lamont Doss wrote: > I apologize in advance, since this query is not Linux related > (directly). But Im moving to San Antonio soon (scheduled to arrive late > July), and just wanted to get any opinions and/or warnings about the > area. Hi Lamont, Just north of San Antonio College, where SATLUG meetings are held, is an area of fine old homes called Laural Heights. If you work down town, the commute time is on the order of 15 minutes. As you go farther north toward Loop 410, the houses get cheaper, but it is still a nice area, and San Pedro Avenue is a major north-south corridor. Continuing toward Loop 1604 and beyond, homes are relatively new and expensive. Rackspace is a major employer of techies near I-10 and Wurzbach Road, and is in a nice residential area also. Summers are warm, but drier and far more comfortable than Houston. Welcome to San Antonio! Cheers, Storey From j at jvpappas.net Wed May 23 13:01:12 2007 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed May 23 13:01:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Stuck on Grub error In-Reply-To: <46537E6B.8060303@lookcee.com> References: <46537E6B.8060303@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450705231101n17dc5eacm1a40c6f11513e422@mail.gmail.com> Need more info: -- Which Grub error? -- Do you get a functional grub prompt? One of the methods we use to recover from a grub failure is using the install disk and running a "rescue" or "recovery" operation. Check this URL: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4622 On 5/22/07, herb cee wrote: > > Hey guys, I am really stuck. Background: > I first tried Fedora core 6 and Dan G suggested maybe Ubuntu would be a > better choice he was right, thanks Daniel, I am running an old 5.10 > version on this puter and I have not used the Win-rig for 2-3wks so > wanted to set up second puter for Linux. I previously caused a crash > using U-5.10 running on 82G HD changing the vid settings leading to > failure to boot Grub stage 1.5, error 15. I gave up trying to fix and > installed this 20G HD reloading U-5.10. Its running well. > > OK, I put the 82G in another P-III-550, same intel mobo and I bought 4 CDs > from DiscountLinuxDVD. My goal is to set up the long term support 6.06.1 > as main server and 2 workstations one with 6.06 and one with the new 7.04. > 1.. Ubuntu 7.04 server CD > 2.. Ubuntu 7.04 Desktop CD > 3.. Ubuntu 6.06.1 server Install CD > 4.. Ubuntu 6.06.1 desktop Install CD > > Plus I have the 5.10 CD?? and I have another ?? XP 2006 > I have tried all of these and only one i get a command line during an > attempted boot is the XP and it is another language so i don't know what > it wants. > > All of the rest just terminate with the Grub error and i can find no > solution by searching more than likely cause i do not know the question > to ask. Also none of these CDs are marked as 'live CD' > > What I want is to stop the error, reformat the drive or anything that > will allow me to install any of the newer versions of Ubuntu. I tried to > boot with a Win recovery flop but the flop says no op-sys found, I have > no other tools to use, I tried to make a new flop but Win claims it > cannot find files and quits, I tried putting this 82G drive as a slave > to the Win sys but it fails to see the drive in my-computer so cannot > format that way. I am too new to know if I can put this HD in as a slave > for the running Linux box, since i have no idea how to proceed in > formatting under Linux. I can sure try if someone can guide me maybe be > a good time to learn. > > I have asked on the Ubuntu forum but no answers. > thanks herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scarolan at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:13:46 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed May 23 13:14:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Kurobox Message-ID: <277020fc0705231113n6483075dw24493808e36634a2@mail.gmail.com> Do any of you own a Kurobox? I have an nslu2 that I would like to upgrade in the future. The nslu2 is a little workhorse, but having only 32mb of memory it can't cope with large rsync jobs. I'm thinking that something like a Kurobox might be an ideal replacement. From dryicezero at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:17:04 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed May 23 13:17:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Kurobox In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705231113n6483075dw24493808e36634a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705231113n6483075dw24493808e36634a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319067990705231117p6f23efe0o3b905dcdd57efe9c@mail.gmail.com> Speaking of the NSLU2, a friend of mine had one and he said that he didn't like it. He went with a custom built NAS instead. I don't have heavy network usage at home, I just want to use it for backups. How well has it worked for you in that area? Thanks for the input, Ernest On 5/23/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > Do any of you own a Kurobox? > > I have an nslu2 that I would like to upgrade in the future. The nslu2 > is a little workhorse, but having only 32mb of memory it can't cope > with large rsync jobs. I'm thinking that something like a Kurobox > might be an ideal replacement. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From sean.crandall at ieee.org Wed May 23 13:19:26 2007 From: sean.crandall at ieee.org (Sean Crandall) Date: Wed May 23 13:19:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> Message-ID: <465485AE.4030203@ieee.org> Lamont Doss wrote: > Then build or buy from there. If you decide to build, a word of caution---a bunch of homebuilders in Texas (Perry leading the pack) bought themselves a law in 2003 that makes them practically immune from suit if they screw up your house, so make sure you trust your builder. This is another reason to not choose KB (anybody else remember when they used to be Ray Ellison, and the homes were even worse). We built a home with Tilson a few years ago, and they did a really good job. I know some other people who have built with them, and I have yet to hear of a bad experience. They have a model home park out in Boerne, and you can see plans at http://www.tilsonhome.com Good luck, and welcome to San Antonio! Sean Crandall From erichaugen at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:28:58 2007 From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen) Date: Wed May 23 13:29:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IT Tech II job in Schertz Message-ID: <674b98ac0705231128h415622d9ydbdda44f378020ff@mail.gmail.com> *http://schertz.com/current/employment.asp * * * *City of Schertz Information Technology Technician II* The City of Schertz has an opening for a full-time * FLSA Exempt Information Technology Technician II *. This is a non-supervisory position. Responsible for resolving day-to-day issues involving computer hardware, software, network, and telephone communications. Involved in software, hardware and network upgrades including but not limited to installing, configuring and testing. Documents all trouble calls, changes to inventory, and justification for additional or replacement parts or software. Maintains all computer equipment, software and peripherals. Responsible for handling issues with the telephone system to include telephone replacement, cabling, network equipment and configuration of individual telephones. Supports the audiovisual needs of the city to include setting up of counsel chambers and conference rooms for various types of audiovisual requirements. Minimum requirements: Experience with PC/Server maintenance and repair. Experience with AS400 and LINUX systems desirable. Some experience with a digital telephone system and the use of telephony highly desirable. Requires High School Diploma. Associate or Bachelor Degree in any area of Information Technology highly desirable. Formal technical training in computer hardware and software desirable. Microsoft Certified Professional and/or be A+ certified or in process of achieving either or both and will have certification within 6 months. Work hours are 5-day, 40-hour week but requires work before and/or after normal (0800-1700) hours as necessary to maintain computer systems. Shall attend meetings outside office hours when necessary. Some travel inside and outside the City. This is an "on-call" position outside of normal duty hours. Salary range is $30,275 to $39,947 annual or DOQ, which includes an excellent benefit package to include Health, Dental and Life Insurance programs. Applications will be accepted at the Municipal Offices, 1400 Schertz Parkway in Schertz, Texas 78154 provided the application is complete, signed, and received by the closeout date of *June 6, 2007*. Eric's Comments: They used an old form on this. The AS400 is history and the Linux is limited to the firewall and the helpdesk software. Its an otherwise MS shop....for now. :-) If anyone is interested and they want to discuss it before you apply feel free to contact me at my personal email erichaugen AT gmail DOT com. Eric Haugen -- Give a man fire and he is warm for the day. Set him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. From scarolan at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:35:29 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed May 23 13:35:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Kurobox In-Reply-To: <319067990705231117p6f23efe0o3b905dcdd57efe9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705231113n6483075dw24493808e36634a2@mail.gmail.com> <319067990705231117p6f23efe0o3b905dcdd57efe9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705231135r7b39945cp68c74b5291f244ff@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > Speaking of the NSLU2, a friend of mine had one and he said that he didn't > like it. He went with a custom built NAS instead. I don't have heavy > network usage at home, I just want to use it for backups. How well has it > worked for you in that area? I love my slug - here's a list of what I use it for: * ddclient to keep my dyndns hostname up to date * Serve videos and music to Xbox running XBMC * LAN backup server for laptops * iTunes/daap server for sharing music to itunes or rhythmbox * Backs up my web server and online photo gallery via rsync * SSH tunneling * rtorrent for downloading bittorrent files All this with only 32mb of memory, in a box that fits in your palm and only pulls around 10-15W of electricity. Mine is running Debian etch. You can't beat it for the $50-70 price tag. I have a 300gb hard drive hooked up to it, and another identical backup drive. I had hoped to use rsync to back up one drive to the other regularly but the little slug seems not to be able to do huge rsync jobs due to the small amount of memory. Is there any easy way to break a large rsync into say 1 gig or 500 mb chunks? It would probably be fine for your backup needs, worst come to worst you can sell it on ebay and are only out $20 or so. From dryicezero at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:39:27 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed May 23 13:39:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Kurobox In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705231135r7b39945cp68c74b5291f244ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705231113n6483075dw24493808e36634a2@mail.gmail.com> <319067990705231117p6f23efe0o3b905dcdd57efe9c@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705231135r7b39945cp68c74b5291f244ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319067990705231139j5d855b84ndeb714407cd52d8@mail.gmail.com> my buddy is giving it to me free, so I just wanted to see how I could use it. Sounds like it is powerful...I think he has the original 'os' on it. Ernest On 5/23/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > On 5/23/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > > Speaking of the NSLU2, a friend of mine had one and he said that he > didn't > > like it. He went with a custom built NAS instead. I don't have heavy > > network usage at home, I just want to use it for backups. How well has > it > > worked for you in that area? > > I love my slug - here's a list of what I use it for: > > * ddclient to keep my dyndns hostname up to date > * Serve videos and music to Xbox running XBMC > * LAN backup server for laptops > * iTunes/daap server for sharing music to itunes or rhythmbox > * Backs up my web server and online photo gallery via rsync > * SSH tunneling > * rtorrent for downloading bittorrent files > > All this with only 32mb of memory, in a box that fits in your palm and > only pulls around 10-15W of electricity. Mine is running Debian etch. > You can't beat it for the $50-70 price tag. > > I have a 300gb hard drive hooked up to it, and another identical > backup drive. I had hoped to use rsync to back up one drive to the > other regularly but the little slug seems not to be able to do huge > rsync jobs due to the small amount of memory. Is there any easy way > to break a large rsync into say 1 gig or 500 mb chunks? > > It would probably be fine for your backup needs, worst come to worst > you can sell it on ebay and are only out $20 or so. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From scarolan at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:50:33 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed May 23 13:50:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Kurobox In-Reply-To: <319067990705231139j5d855b84ndeb714407cd52d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705231113n6483075dw24493808e36634a2@mail.gmail.com> <319067990705231117p6f23efe0o3b905dcdd57efe9c@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705231135r7b39945cp68c74b5291f244ff@mail.gmail.com> <319067990705231139j5d855b84ndeb714407cd52d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705231150y5f1e0dbfjd1a4d8b9c831e9f6@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > my buddy is giving it to me free, so I just wanted to see how I could use > it. Sounds like it is powerful...I think he has the original 'os' on it. > Score! If it's an older device, I recommend de-underclocking it. The first generation of these have their CPU speed locked at 133mhz, but by just removing one resistor on the board you can double it to 266mhz without causing any harm. At some point linksys started shipping them with 266mhz by default so you might not have to do this. As far as the OS goes, there are several ways you can do it. If you want to keep the original factory web-based control panel you can, but being more comfortable with Debian I just blew away the original firmware and put etch on mine instead. Visit www.nslu2-linux.org - lots of great info and how-tos on that site. Have fun w/ your new slug, your friend has no idea what he's missing. From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed May 23 14:08:13 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed May 23 14:08:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IT Tech II job in Schertz In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0705231128h415622d9ydbdda44f378020ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0705231128h415622d9ydbdda44f378020ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4654911D.9000000@gmail.com> Eric Haugen wrote: > *http://schertz.com/current/employment.asp > Salary range is $30,275 to $39,947 annual ^^^ And that is why they are still looking. ~Nate From brad at shub-internet.org Wed May 23 13:42:02 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed May 23 14:21:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <465485AE.4030203@ieee.org> References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> <465485AE.4030203@ieee.org> Message-ID: On 5/23/07, Sean Crandall wrote: > If you decide to build, a word of caution---a bunch of homebuilders in > Texas (Perry leading the pack) bought themselves a law in 2003 that makes > them practically immune from suit if they screw up your house, so make > sure you trust your builder. This is another reason to not choose KB > (anybody else remember when they used to be Ray Ellison, and the homes > were even worse). If anyone is interested, my wife's uncle is an architect there in San Antonio, and I'd be glad to talk to him to see if there are any builders he'd recommend going with or avoiding. However, I suspect that what he'd say is that you should interview your prospective architect(s) in person, and pick someone who subscribes to a philosophy similar to yours and that you feel you can trust. In our case, we've complained mightily that build quality these days is really crappy, and that even if you go do a Parade of Homes show, you will see plenty of stuff there in million-dollar-plus houses that you wouldn't want in your garden shed. I know that we saw that when we went on the Parade of Homes here in Austin, and I saw lots of things in those expensive mansions that were worse than the house we're in. Johnny (my wife's uncle) has told us about a concept called "The Not-So-Big House", where the focus is on quality of construction and designing the place so that it works well for you, as opposed to just throwing up six bedroom shacks and making you buy a much, much bigger house than you need in order to get all the other features you want. Check out the books by Sarah Susanka, if you like. Note that there are a number of architects around that subscribe to this philosophy, and we've found a couple here in Austin (where we've thought about building, since we now know for a fact we'll never be able to find a place that works the way we want and has already been built). I'm sure you've got more than a few down there in San Antonio, and I'd be willing to bet that Johnny knows some of them. Unfortunately, I think you've already missed the 2007 Parade of Homes for San Antonio, but you can check out the pictures from local newspapers, see among others. At the very least, you might get some ideas of things you do or do not like, even if you're not talking about building something anywhere remotely close to this expensive. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From brad at shub-internet.org Wed May 23 13:49:08 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed May 23 14:21:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> Message-ID: On 5/23/07, Lamont Doss wrote: > Planning on traveling to the area later next month for a reconn trip, > and I was informed that the office I would be working in is near 1604 > and Culebra. Hmm. I don't know about that side of town. My in-laws live over in Universal City (my sister-in-law Michele is even on the city council), so I know that side of town much better. Of course, my wife and I live in Austin, so we're not that far away. BTW, if you want to live close to an inexpensive municipal golf course, I know the place for you. ;) > Transferring from North Carolina, so as long as the A/C is > working, I should be ok. I lived in Wilmington for a couple of years. Trust me, this is hotter, much hotter. Maybe less humid, but definitely hotter. > Anything would be better than than the snowy > winters of Colorado (used to live there as well). It depends on whether you like cold weather or hot. My wife and I prefer the colder weather, so we'd actually prefer to trade the other direction. I'm perfectly fine with snowy winters. Good luck! -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 23 14:52:54 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 23 14:53:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> <465485AE.4030203@ieee.org> Message-ID: <1164.192.62.88.55.1179949974.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > If anyone is interested, my wife's uncle is an architect there in San > Antonio, and I'd be glad to talk to him to see if there are any > builders he'd recommend going with or avoiding. However, I suspect > that what he'd say is that you should interview your prospective > architect(s) in person, and pick someone who subscribes to a > philosophy similar to yours and that you feel you can trust. > Johnny (my wife's uncle) has told us about a concept called "The > Not-So-Big House", where the focus is on quality of construction and > designing the place so that it works well for you, as opposed to just > throwing up six bedroom shacks and making you buy a much, much bigger > house than you need in order to get all the other features you want. > Check out the books by Sarah Susanka, if you like. My father is such a perfectionist that he'd love knowing about this information. He and his family built the house I grew up back in 1973, and he used to comment how he'd cringe when walking up to a construction site and see studs spaced much further apart than they should be just to cut corners, along with a plethera of other things he'd notice. As much as I'd love for him to volunteer for Habitat for Humanity, I'm afraid he'd pop an ulcer. Good charity, though, even as much as it's beneficiary is a little off in left field. ;) Enjoy! Tom From dryicezero at gmail.com Wed May 23 14:54:15 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed May 23 14:54:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption Message-ID: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> I believe this topic may have been discussed partially on list before, but I wanted to get a more in depth response from the community. Recently, my organization (government) purchased a copy of the EnCase software to search several computers. What I have come to understand from reading the literature and the vendor's information is that the software is capable of searching at the cluster level for data. Does anyone on list have any experience with this software? If so, are fully encrypted drives immune to the EnCase search methods? What do you recommend for encrypting our sensitive data so that not even software like EnCase can pull data from our servers. What would you recommend so that we can still be able to search employee computers with EnCase if we suspect something bad? Thanks, Ernest From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Wed May 23 14:57:55 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Wed May 23 14:58:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> <465485AE.4030203@ieee.org> Message-ID: <1251.192.62.88.55.1179950275.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > If anyone is interested, my wife's uncle is an architect there in San > Antonio, and I'd be glad to talk to him to see if there are any > builders he'd recommend going with or avoiding. However, I suspect > that what he'd say is that you should interview your prospective > architect(s) in person, and pick someone who subscribes to a > philosophy similar to yours and that you feel you can trust. > Johnny (my wife's uncle) has told us about a concept called "The > Not-So-Big House", where the focus is on quality of construction and > designing the place so that it works well for you, as opposed to just > throwing up six bedroom shacks and making you buy a much, much bigger > house than you need in order to get all the other features you want. > Check out the books by Sarah Susanka, if you like. OK, I can't figure out my words. Concerning Habitat for Humanity, s/beneficiary/benefactor. Oy! Whole different meaning. :| From mkinsel at gmail.com Wed May 23 14:59:52 2007 From: mkinsel at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Wed May 23 15:00:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Finance / Business Management Application Message-ID: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> Hey everybody, I'm looking for a finance / business management application (for Linux, of course). I run a small website-design business, and I want to be able to track income and expenses, set deadlines for invoices, keep billing and payment records, and do other book-keeping tasks required by an entrepreneur. I'm looking for recommendations by anyone using such an application. FWIW, I'm using Fedora Core 6. Thanks a bunch. From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed May 23 15:03:35 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed May 23 15:03:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Finance / Business Management Application In-Reply-To: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46549E17.7090106@gmail.com> Matt Kinsel wrote: > Hey everybody, > I'm looking for a finance / business management application (for > Linux, of > course). I run a small website-design business, and I want to be able to > track income and expenses, set deadlines for invoices, keep billing and > payment records, and do other book-keeping tasks required by an > entrepreneur. I'm looking for recommendations by anyone using such an > application. You could use Basecamp from 37signals. I have thought about going that route myself. ~Nate From eli at then7.com Wed May 23 15:06:11 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Wed May 23 15:05:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IT Tech II job in Schertz In-Reply-To: <4654911D.9000000@gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0705231128h415622d9ydbdda44f378020ff@mail.gmail.com> <4654911D.9000000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46549EB3.3060600@then7.com> pixelnate wrote: > Eric Haugen wrote: >> *http://schertz.com/current/employment.asp > >> Salary range is $30,275 to $39,947 annual > > ^^^ And that is why they are still looking. > > > ~Nate yep. 4.5% un-employment rate... e From mkinsel at gmail.com Wed May 23 15:12:24 2007 From: mkinsel at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Wed May 23 15:12:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Finance / Business Management Application In-Reply-To: <46549E17.7090106@gmail.com> References: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> <46549E17.7090106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <403abb680705231312m785e9682gac66385a1f45a2d7@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Nate, I'll look at that. Also, any online tools/services (as long as they're free) satisfying the needs I mentioned would be _awesome_. I love Web 2.0 stuff, for many reasons, and I would readily use something of that sort for this area of my life. On 5/23/07, pixelnate wrote: > > Matt Kinsel wrote: > > Hey everybody, > > I'm looking for a finance / business management application (for > > Linux, of > > course). I run a small website-design business, and I want to be able > to > > track income and expenses, set deadlines for invoices, keep billing and > > payment records, and do other book-keeping tasks required by an > > entrepreneur. I'm looking for recommendations by anyone using such an > > application. > > You could use Basecamp from 37signals. I have thought about going that > route myself. > > ~Nate > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed May 23 15:10:49 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Wed May 23 15:16:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Finance / Business Management Application In-Reply-To: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46549FC9.5080900@futuretechsolutions.com> Matt Kinsel wrote: > Hey everybody, > I'm looking for a finance / business management application (for Linux, of > course). I run a small website-design business, and I want to be able to > track income and expenses, set deadlines for invoices, keep billing and > payment records, and do other book-keeping tasks required by an > entrepreneur. I'm looking for recommendations by anyone using such an > application. > > FWIW, I'm using Fedora Core 6. > > Thanks a bunch. I've used Quasar in the past. Decent program. It will probably do all that that you require. http://www.linuxcanada.com/ From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed May 23 15:35:51 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed May 23 15:36:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio Message-ID: <6c8ad7a645434082b49a8dd368cf1c23.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >Lamont Doss[mailto:ldoss@triad.rr.com] >Planning on traveling to the area later next month >for a reconn trip, and I was informed that the >office I would be working in is near 1604 >and Culebra. Nice area, good soil, roads have finally been upgraded and Sea World a mile away. Know the area well, as mentioned stayoutside 1604, you might look at Westover Hills, Helotes, and the Hwy 211 bypass area (between FM471 & Hwy 16. FYI: Culebra road is also FM 471. Lots of cheaply built developments going in with overpriced cracker box houses, the stand out like a sore thumb. Saddening to see what's been done to some pretty ranches, and fertile farms to make a quick buck. Prudent renting a few months and getting the lay of the land. Heat is no le hace, the humidity is. From scarolan at gmail.com Wed May 23 15:40:55 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed May 23 15:41:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> References: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705231340j2e5b09edl6714dc798bb4451@mail.gmail.com> > If so, are fully encrypted drives immune to > the EnCase search methods? If you are using FDE (full drive encryption) with a good cipher such as AES, and a strong passphrase or encryption key there should be virtually no way for EnCase to extract any useful data from the volume. > What do you recommend for encrypting our > sensitive data so that not even software like EnCase can pull data from our > servers. What would you recommend so that we can still be able to search > employee computers with EnCase if we suspect something bad? Truecrypt (www.truecrypt.org) is easy to use and free and ought to prevent EnCase from seeing any data. To answer your second question - have an administrator keep a copy of the encryption keys in a locked safe. That way you can still get to the data even if an employee quits or is fired. From scarolan at gmail.com Wed May 23 15:44:03 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Wed May 23 15:44:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705231340j2e5b09edl6714dc798bb4451@mail.gmail.com> References: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705231340j2e5b09edl6714dc798bb4451@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705231344w415a9686w87b08d87d5623df6@mail.gmail.com> > Truecrypt (www.truecrypt.org) is easy to use and free and ought to > prevent EnCase from seeing any data. To answer your second question - > have an administrator keep a copy of the encryption keys in a locked > safe. That way you can still get to the data even if an employee > quits or is fired. One quick note on TrueCrypt - if you are using it on a Windows box, you'll want the TCGina extension which allows you to encrypt an entire user profile, eg, the user's "home" folder. I'm not sure that Truecrypt can do full drive encryption though. From hc at lookcee.com Wed May 23 15:55:30 2007 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Wed May 23 15:55:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Stuck on Grub error Message-ID: <4654AA42.7040209@lookcee.com> Glenn F. Boswell wrote: > Do you not have a live cd like knoppix? > > if you do have one, boot your system and then in a shell do: > sudo su - > > // this will change the prompt to a # and you will be root > // assuming the drive you want to wipe is ide and drive 0 .. /dev/hda > fdisk /dev/hda // use d to delete all the partitions you have, I > assume you will reinstall another distro on the drive > // do a w {ends fdisk and writes the new boot sector with no > partitions} and reboot with the install distro If you do not have a > knoppix or other live distro call me on my cell 365-6685 and I'll > arrange to meet you some where to give you one. > I'm running errands to day on my bike so I may not answer the cell > immediately. I assume you are in San Antonio metro area. > Gee thank you so much for the offer Glen but I live 7mi out from Bedias up by Madisonville. I am coping your tip to my new edition of learnlinuxnotes.file. Plus it all ended at 10:20 this morning. Here is a long winded view of what happened.. This major time, minor disaster began when I followed sucessfully a guide to changing the screen resolution beyond what Ubuntu chose on install, BrezzyBadger 5.10 but guide was for the DapperDrake 6.06 and when I rebooted I had lost the screen and I tried to use a terminal somehow don't remember how but I tried to change the vid config file and Grub could not stand it. program stopped and was still stopped on stage 1.5, err #15. I was really mystified because the grub error kept repeating even when live CD was put in I also had found that the old Win setting of boot sequence CD,Flop.HD,Net failed to reach past the floppy hanging there with a no sys found complaint, I thought this referred to the cd disk since I had witnessed the drive being read. but it really had already failed because while this CDdrive read and played music fine on Win it fails to accept the boot from Bios, changing the drive permitted me to then boot a live CD of Ubuntu FiestyFawn 7.04. and reformat the drive However, just before solving the old CD prob, It was 3:30 am and I could not shut down my head so I thought heck with this I am going to move the HD over to the Linux working U-5.10 as a slave and see if I can upgrade. Well to my delight, just before Fiesty formatted the slave drive it asked if I wanted to save the account 'herb', I assumed it meant the 'herb' that was on the Slave hdb1 drive and said yes. I should have asked the path cause it referred to the files for herb on hda1, lol yup it MOVED them not copied them. Not knowing that, I decided heck with the files on the error 15 hang up, was only a week of pop account EMs, since I would have to find how to save them and the Partitioner insisted on formatting the drive and I found no way to upgrade I still thought it would ask me if I wanted to save herb but it did not do that it formatted, I said so what, until I learned that I had just vapored a good month worth of that mail account. plus all the linux documentation and research material I had downloaded, including several E-books Ok I still do not know what error 15 means in my case it was not fixed and since it applies to an unsupported version is of little value. My guess is I messed up the vid file and grub had no way to boot into Gnome, so fatal. I think now booting into terminal and fixing the vid or the grub file would have been the easy solution for the experienced user. I learned a lot during the 10 hours of reading this screen. also I learned a bit more about the file structure and the command line. In fact I learned enough to convince me that yes I do have to know how to use the terminal and how this stuff fits together and since I was off line I know I should have given up a case of beer and bought a good book on Linux a month or two ago. All in all it was a nervous but good experience, haven't stayed up all night on a problem in a long time, nice to know that at 76 I can still handle it. thanks for the response, much appreciated herb From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed May 23 15:57:39 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed May 23 15:58:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Finance / Business Management Application In-Reply-To: <403abb680705231312m785e9682gac66385a1f45a2d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> <46549E17.7090106@gmail.com> <403abb680705231312m785e9682gac66385a1f45a2d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4654AAC3.8080209@gmail.com> Matt Kinsel wrote: > Thanks, Nate, I'll look at that. > > Also, any online tools/services (as long as they're free) satisfying the > needs I mentioned would be _awesome_. I love Web 2.0 stuff, for many > reasons, and I would readily use something of that sort for this area > of my > life. Well, Basecamp lets you experience it for free (with one project), but as your business needs grow you can upgrade to their more robust services. The prices seem resonable but I have nothing to compare them to. I have looked at it many times, but since most of my work comes from a single client, it is fairly easy to manage without something like Basecamp. ~Nate From erichaugen at gmail.com Wed May 23 16:51:20 2007 From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen) Date: Wed May 23 16:51:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] IT Tech II job in Schertz In-Reply-To: <4654911D.9000000@gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0705231128h415622d9ydbdda44f378020ff@mail.gmail.com> <4654911D.9000000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <674b98ac0705231451h725263b3ib0803ffc5c8ce0e5@mail.gmail.com> Still? We just posted it a couple of days ago. On 5/23/07, pixelnate wrote: > > Eric Haugen wrote: > > *http://schertz.com/current/employment.asp > > > Salary range is $30,275 to $39,947 annual > > ^^^ And that is why they are still looking. > > > ~Nate > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Give a man fire and he is warm for the day. Set him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. From jesse at liberto.org Wed May 23 16:56:45 2007 From: jesse at liberto.org (Jesse Gonzalez) Date: Wed May 23 16:57:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Finance / Business Management Application In-Reply-To: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1179957405.675.1.camel@localhost> I use weberp. It's overkill for me now, but hopefully I'll grow into it someday. ~jesse On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 14:59 -0500, Matt Kinsel wrote: > Hey everybody, > I'm looking for a finance / business management application (for Linux, of > course). I run a small website-design business, and I want to be able to > track income and expenses, set deadlines for invoices, keep billing and > payment records, and do other book-keeping tasks required by an > entrepreneur. I'm looking for recommendations by anyone using such an > application. > > FWIW, I'm using Fedora Core 6. > > Thanks a bunch. From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed May 23 17:19:20 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed May 23 17:19:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> References: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4654BDE8.4030803@rugmonster.org> Ernest de Leon wrote: > Recently, my > organization (government) purchased a copy of the EnCase software to search > several computers... If so, are fully encrypted drives immune to > the EnCase search methods? What do you recommend for encrypting our > sensitive data so that not even software like EnCase can pull data from our > servers. Make sure you check with your organization on the encryption policies so you aren't setting yourself or anyone else up for termination. If it is a government network, anything plugged into it is likely to be required to be accessible for monitoring. Any information assurance office should be under strict policy to maintain the security of information on those systems (that's their job). If you are a contractor and using government systems or systems on a government network to store "sensitive" information that you don't want them being privy to, I would suggest you pull it off and host it on a corporate or personal storage medium. Check with your local IA folks to make sure on the policy. I doubt they will be cool with you trying to hide stuff on their network unless it was for official business and sanctioned by them. ~Daniel From jehaywood at gmail.com Wed May 23 21:08:53 2007 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Wed May 23 21:09:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: On 5/23/07, Thomas King wrote: > > > You will have your fill of Tex-Mex! My personal favorite is Cha-Cho's, but > YMMV. > Judson High School is one of the largest in the state, if not the entire > country. > > Sorry if I ticked anyone off. ;) > > None of you have mentioned that football is a religion here, particularly highschool football. :) -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From brad at shub-internet.org Wed May 23 21:01:37 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed May 23 21:17:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Finance / Business Management Application In-Reply-To: <46549E17.7090106@gmail.com> References: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> <46549E17.7090106@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/23/07, pixelnate wrote: > You could use Basecamp from 37signals. I have thought about going that > route myself. I've looked at Basecamp. To me, it seems like there's so much there that it's totally overwhelming, and it's impossible for me to figure out where the trees are and how to separate them from the forest. Imagine someone who has never seen more than one tree in their life, suddenly being dropped in the middle of the Amazon rain forest, literally thousands of miles away from any kind of civilization in any direction. That's about the way I felt with Basecamp. But I still couldn't escape the feeling that there were some critical parts that were missing. I just couldn't place my finger on what they were. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From aaron at aaronhackney.com Wed May 23 21:20:40 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Wed May 23 21:21:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> Message-ID: <4654F678.3040808@aaronhackney.com> Lamont Doss wrote: > Thanks for the responses thus far. > > Planning on traveling to the area later next month for a reconn trip, > and I was informed that the office I would be working in is near 1604 > and Culebra. Transferring from North Carolina, so as long as the A/C is > working, I should be ok. Anything would be better than than the snowy > winters of Colorado (used to live there as well). > > Looks like I should get an apartment for a couple of months until I > learn the area a little better. Then build or buy from there. > Time to price a water softener and purifier. > > Thanks again. > > > Welcome Lamont. I moved here myself last July from Central IL. The people and the city have been great to me. Hope you enjoy it here! -Aaron From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed May 23 21:19:53 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Wed May 23 21:26:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <4654F649.2020404@futuretechsolutions.com> Jennie Haywood wrote: > On 5/23/07, Thomas King wrote: >> >> >> You will have your fill of Tex-Mex! My personal favorite is Cha-Cho's, >> but >> YMMV. >> Judson High School is one of the largest in the state, if not the entire >> country. >> >> Sorry if I ticked anyone off. ;) >> >> None of you have mentioned that football is a religion here, particularly > highschool football. :) > "high school football" eq "religion" That sounds more like West Texas, especially that horrible Permian crowd out in Odessa. Flames not allowed, I "served time" at that miserable school. Worst place on the planet to be a non-athletic geek. :) From brad at shub-internet.org Wed May 23 21:42:03 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed May 23 21:43:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <4654F649.2020404@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <4654F649.2020404@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: On 5/23/07, Charles Hogan wrote: > Flames not allowed, I "served time" at that miserable school. Worst place > on the planet to be a non-athletic geek. :) Second worst, maybe. Me, I was President and only member of the OU Anti-Football League. Yes, I attended the University of Oklahoma -- I have a BSCS from the College of Engineering, thankyouverymuch. Yes, during my early years, I even attended Barry Switzer football camp. As a member of one of the local Boy Scout troops, I was one of the people who provided unpaid usher duties at OU games. Later, I helped earn money by being a soft drink/concession server at football games. Talk about "serving time". I did mine. Many years over. You try being an outspoken member of an organization like the OU Anti-Football League on a campus like that. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From satlugacct at jchampion.com Wed May 23 23:31:44 2007 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed May 23 23:32:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <465485AE.4030203@ieee.org> Message-ID: <001701c79dbc$81ac8c90$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> Ok...quit knocking KB. I've got a KB home and (knock on wood--namely my head)my last home was Rayco. There's nothing wrong with either. I've had friends with Ryland, Centex, and Sitterle that have also had problems. As for the side of town your moving to, there is plenty out there. Just stay out of the NW Crossing area. I lived there for a brief while. Make use of the police department info on www.sanantonio.gov -- they have crime stats, maps, and blotters. Your kids, if you have any, will be in Northside ISD. Because they are growing at unreal rates...you may see your kids being blocked from their neighborhood school and sent somewhere else. If you get curious about anything, check out the site for the San Antonio Chamber of Commerce. If you have any hobbies beyond Linux, you can find them too. We've got everything from cricket and adult league baseball to rugby, chess, rodeo and thousands of nonprofit groups that could use a hand. You should like it here and welcome! john From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Thu May 24 05:29:45 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Thu May 24 05:30:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <4654F649.2020404@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <4654F649.2020404@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46556919.2050809@suddenlink.net> Charles Hogan wrote: > Jennie Haywood wrote: >>> >>> None of you have mentioned that football is a religion here, >>> particularly >> highschool football. :) >> > > "high school football" eq "religion" > That sounds more like West Texas, especially that horrible Permian > crowd out in Odessa. > > Flames not allowed, I "served time" at that miserable school. Worst > place on the planet to be a non-athletic geek. :) The religious zealotry may be worse out west, but it can get kind of rough here as well. -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu May 24 06:37:44 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu May 24 06:38:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <4654F678.3040808@aaronhackney.com> References: <1179934613.3740.29.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4654F678.3040808@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <46557908.10607@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Aaron Hackney wrote: > Lamont Doss wrote: >> Thanks for the responses thus far. >> Planning on traveling to the area later next month for a reconn trip, >> and I was informed that the office I would be working in is near 1604 >> and Culebra. Transferring from North Carolina, so as long as the A/C is >> working, I should be ok. Anything would be better than than the snowy >> winters of Colorado (used to live there as well). >> >> Looks like I should get an apartment for a couple of months until I >> learn the area a little better. Then build or buy from there. >> Time to price a water softener and purifier. >> >> Thanks again. > > Welcome Lamont. I moved here myself last July from Central IL. The > people and the city have been great to me. Hope you enjoy it here! > I've lived in San Antonio most of my life ('cept the 5 years I 'did' in Southern California, and 6 months in Pasadena, TX *cough* *hack*) and I've been all over this country, spending time here, and there... There's no place that I'd rather be than right there, under the X in Texas! That said, I'm currently in New Jersey, on a driving vacation, having been to Dallas, thru Oklahoma, 3 days in North Central Missouri, thru Southern Illinois, stopped at Dayton, OH, spent the night in Wheeling, WVA, and across PA, to Southern New Jersey, and am leaving this morning for Virginia Beach, thru N/S Carolina and probably spend the night in Brunswick, GA. I've been to these places before, Lamont, and nothing compares to home. Culebra and 1604? sounds like you need to investigate Helotes (FM 211 runs straight there) or venture out a little further on 471/Culebra. In fact, take the 5 or 6 mile ride out and make the sweeping right hand turn onto 1283 and check on the prices around there. MY suggestion, -do- build out in those hills...a it'll be a while before the city makes it out -that- far. (10 years or more). PLUS, you're closer than before to Medina Lake. Great recreation spot for fishing, camping, boating, skiing... lots of deer and other 4-legged creatures roaming the hills. Aint no purtier place'n Texas! ;-) Lots of Hobbies! Ham Radio is another hobby you could get in to, if not already. There's some great hams out in that area, too. -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu May 24 09:03:03 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu May 24 09:03:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <001701c79dbc$81ac8c90$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> References: <465485AE.4030203@ieee.org> <001701c79dbc$81ac8c90$6402a8c0@Blackhole4> Message-ID: <79ec289f0705240703m6d6a88d9v4a6010f3cc76c816@mail.gmail.com> I too have a KB home and its held up well over the years. I guess it all depends on the contractor that built the homes. On 5/23/07, John Champion wrote: > Ok...quit knocking KB. I've got a KB home and (knock on wood--namely my > head)my last home was Rayco. There's nothing wrong with either. I've had > friends with Ryland, Centex, and Sitterle that have also had problems. > > As for the side of town your moving to, there is plenty out there. Just stay > out of the NW Crossing area. I lived there for a brief while. > > Make use of the police department info on www.sanantonio.gov -- they have > crime stats, maps, and blotters. > > Your kids, if you have any, will be in Northside ISD. Because they are > growing at unreal rates...you may see your kids being blocked from their > neighborhood school and sent somewhere else. > > If you get curious about anything, check out the site for the San Antonio > Chamber of Commerce. If you have any hobbies beyond Linux, you can find them > too. We've got everything from cricket and adult league baseball to rugby, > chess, rodeo and thousands of nonprofit groups that could use a hand. > > You should like it here and welcome! > > john > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Thu May 24 19:49:38 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Thu May 24 19:50:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Transfer to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <4654F649.2020404@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <1179861740.3736.4.camel@ectone.jazznet> <4653F5DD.8010809@suddenlink.net> <1681.192.62.88.55.1179925447.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <4654F649.2020404@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <8655.24.28.24.180.1180054178.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> >>> None of you have mentioned that football is a religion here, particularly >> highschool football. :) >> > > "high school football" eq "religion" > That sounds more like West Texas, especially that horrible Permian crowd > out in Odessa. > > Flames not allowed, I "served time" at that miserable school. Worst > place on the planet to be a non-athletic geek. :) > -- I'm with you except I grew up in northeast Texas - football was huge there as well. Same thing, it's hard to be a non-athletic geek. Grand Saline was even featured in MTV's The Real Life about football. It's only after the football program is taken care of will they think about anything else. LOL From scarolan at gmail.com Thu May 24 20:58:43 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu May 24 20:59:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH forwarding question Message-ID: <277020fc0705241858g2d04adb8xcecf412f47716537@mail.gmail.com> I have three servers as follows: A ======> B ======> C I can use public key authentication to connect to B from A, and with agent forwarding jump from B to C without a login prompt. C is not directly accessible from A. Is there a way to ssh directly to server C in one fell swoop, without manually setting up a tunnel through B first? From tameika.reed at rackspace.com Thu May 24 21:06:14 2007 From: tameika.reed at rackspace.com (Tameika Reed) Date: Thu May 24 21:06:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] SSH forwarding question In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705241858g2d04adb8xcecf412f47716537@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0705241858g2d04adb8xcecf412f47716537@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <240FE6D667B3AC4AB1C05C4CDB64DEB2029679DD@SAT4MX03.RACKSPACE.CORP> You write a perl scipt. Ensuring that you do a key exchange prior to sshing to those machines. You have to install Net::SSH modules. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Sean Carolan Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:59 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] SSH forwarding question I have three servers as follows: A ======> B ======> C I can use public key authentication to connect to B from A, and with agent forwarding jump from B to C without a login prompt. C is not directly accessible from A. Is there a way to ssh directly to server C in one fell swoop, without manually setting up a tunnel through B first? -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace Managed Hosting. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at abuse@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. From masterr at gmail.com Fri May 25 10:19:29 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Fri May 25 10:19:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived Message-ID: <14842c410705250819k2f8f87fcwdb1335378ca77c7d@mail.gmail.com> Dell has begun shipping some of their machines (3 at this time) with Linux preloaded. They went with Ubuntu Feisty 7.04 as the Distro. The systems come with full hardware support and warranty like the Windows machines, and they appear to be slightly cheaper than the Windows equivalent machines (that's more than you can say about the old FreeDOS offerings). http://www.dell.com/open/ Props to Dell for standing up to the Microsoft BS. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri May 25 10:40:27 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri May 25 10:40:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: <14842c410705250819k2f8f87fcwdb1335378ca77c7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I was a little surprised to see a company like Dell offer Linux ready machines. I dont know what is taking the big companies so long anyway.. There is money to be made in the Linux industry. -Alex --- Jonathan Hull wrote: > Dell has begun shipping some of their machines (3 at > this time) with Linux > preloaded. They went with Ubuntu Feisty 7.04 as the > Distro. > > The systems come with full hardware support and > warranty like the Windows > machines, and they appear to be slightly cheaper > than the Windows equivalent > machines (that's more than you can say about the old > FreeDOS offerings). > > http://www.dell.com/open/ > > Props to Dell for standing up to the Microsoft BS. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From dryicezero at gmail.com Fri May 25 10:43:52 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Fri May 25 10:44:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <4654BDE8.4030803@rugmonster.org> References: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> <4654BDE8.4030803@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <319067990705250843n16e759bcr8af2882bedb5f642@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all of the input everyone. A few more details and questions though. I am pretty much in charge of all IT decisions, and there is no oversight authority. We are a local government agency, so our policies will more easily reflect what we need to accomplish. With that said, we are completely free to do whatever we want (within legal and ethical bounds of course) with respect to IT. I have used truecrypt before, and I am very familiar with how to use it. What I am more concerned with is the security involved. Being that EnCase has now reached beyond law enforcement and government agencies, I am sure that there are some malicious people out there with bootleg versions of the software. I am mainly concerned with our mobile population. Is it more logical to use whole drive encryption or to use the containers to hold sensitive data on the laptops? If a laptop is lost or stolen, and someone with EnCase or any other forensic tools gets a hold of that laptop, can they pull the sensitive data from the laptop? I am not too concerned with the OS itself or the normal applications, just the data that is saved. A lot of work is done through the VPN, so most data is saved on our network servers. If a user needs to save a document locally, however, if I use the TC container, is that secure with a reasonable amount of certainty? I understand that no method is 100% effective and thwarting every single malicious person out there, but I'd like to have the highest level of security while not adversely affecting productivity too much. Thanks, Ernest On 5/23/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > Ernest de Leon wrote: > > Recently, my > > organization (government) purchased a copy of the EnCase software to > search > > several computers... If so, are fully encrypted drives immune to > > the EnCase search methods? What do you recommend for encrypting our > > sensitive data so that not even software like EnCase can pull data from > our > > servers. > > Make sure you check with your organization on the encryption policies so > you aren't setting yourself or anyone else up for termination. If it is > a government network, anything plugged into it is likely to be required > to be accessible for monitoring. Any information assurance office should > be under strict policy to maintain the security of information on those > systems (that's their job). If you are a contractor and using government > systems or systems on a government network to store "sensitive" > information that you don't want them being privy to, I would suggest you > pull it off and host it on a corporate or personal storage medium. Check > with your local IA folks to make sure on the policy. I doubt they will > be cool with you trying to hide stuff on their network unless it was for > official business and sanctioned by them. > > ~Daniel > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- # Ernest De Leon "If Microsoft is 'flexible' it explains how their head got where it is." From scarolan at gmail.com Fri May 25 11:22:11 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri May 25 11:22:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <14842c410705250819k2f8f87fcwdb1335378ca77c7d@mail.gmail.com> <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705250922u1e1a57c4s7723c82dc89bac9d@mail.gmail.com> If anyone purchases one of these Dell laptops please do let us know how well the ACPI works. This is one area that sucks in both Windows and Linux. The only laptop I have ever used that has perfectly working ACPI functions is my wife's MacBook pro. I would be willing to pay extra for a laptop that would properly go to sleep and wake up as it's supposed to. It's very frustrating to have several windows and programs open, only to find that your laptop won't wake up properly after a hibernate or sleep, and you have to hard-reboot with the power button. Yes, this is one of my pet peeves about laptops in general. Why even bother to offer these features if nobody can seem to get them working correctly. From scarolan at gmail.com Fri May 25 11:32:29 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri May 25 11:32:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <319067990705250843n16e759bcr8af2882bedb5f642@mail.gmail.com> References: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> <4654BDE8.4030803@rugmonster.org> <319067990705250843n16e759bcr8af2882bedb5f642@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705250932k778cf014w656275de5533902d@mail.gmail.com> > I am mainly concerned with our > mobile population. Is it more logical to use whole drive encryption or to > use the containers to hold sensitive data on the laptops? If a laptop is > lost or stolen, and someone with EnCase or any other forensic tools gets a > hold of that laptop, can they pull the sensitive data from the laptop? For your Windows-using laptop users, full disk encryption (FDE) with 2-factor authentication (eg, password-protected smartcard or USB stick with key on it) is probably the best you can get but can be expensive. If you haven't got the budget for that you could consider using Truecrypt and tcgina to encrypt entire user profiles. I believe there is a plugin that encrypts the swap as well. A password-protected bios, and truecrypt to ensure at-rest encryption of the laptop data would probably be effective. If such a laptop were stolen by someone who happened to have a copy of EnCase, they'd be hard-pressed to brute force a 256 bit AES encrypted volume. You'd need to make sure your users and applications do not store any sensitive files OUTSIDE the encrypted home directory though or all bets are off. Hardware-based FDE is the safest for laptops. I wish it were more widely available for consumers today. I had to hack up my Ubuntu installation a bit to get my home directory encrypted. This stuff ought to be included out-of-the-box as an option you check during installation. Yet another reason I like OS X, it allows you to do exactly this, encrypt your entire home directory just by checking a box in the preferences . . . From leif at paisd.net Fri May 25 11:03:22 2007 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Fri May 25 11:38:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention Message-ID: I got wind of a proposed law or (PIA) to mandate public agencies to retain copies of all emails entering their networks. As a public school IT administrator I'm wondering what open source solution I can implement to retain copies of all emails. Sheesh, will I have to keep copies of the tons of SPAM I'm dumping into /dev/null too? Can someone point me toward a reliable source of information? Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 25 11:38:27 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 25 11:39:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <319067990705250843n16e759bcr8af2882bedb5f642@mail.gmail.com> References: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> <4654BDE8.4030803@rugmonster.org> <319067990705250843n16e759bcr8af2882bedb5f642@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/25/07, Ernest de Leon wrote: > I am mainly concerned with our > mobile population. Is it more logical to use whole drive encryption or to > use the containers to hold sensitive data on the laptops? If a laptop is > lost or stolen, and someone with EnCase or any other forensic tools gets a > hold of that laptop, can they pull the sensitive data from the laptop? This issue was actually addressed directly last night, at the IEEE Central Texas Section Consultants Network meeting for Austin, where we had Michael Allgeier (the Information Security Manager from LCRA) come in and talk to us on the topic of "Understand and Outwit Hackers". IIRC, what it comes down to is that for mobile users, if you use full drive encryption, then how do you ensure that they are always fully patched and fully virus scanned? When they log out, the drive is encrypted, and all the system management software you might have on that laptop is now unable to apply all the updates you might require. If you use volume encryption and ensure that all sensitive data is stored only on those volumes, then the system management software can at least keep the unencrypted parts up-to-date while the computer is turned on but the user is not logged in. The page at says that his e-mail address is michael.allgeier@lcra.org, if you want to contact him directly. If you're interested, you might be able to get him to give you a copy of the slides he used for his presentation last night, or maybe even come down there to give a talk at a future SATLUG meeting. More about Michael, from the blurb that was put out before the meeting: Michael Allgeier oversees the Lower Colorado River Authority's network and telecommunications security, disaster recovery, and security policies as the Information Security Manager. He is an active member of INFRAGARD, ISACA, and is the past President and current vice-president of the Capitol of Texas ISSA Chapter. Mr. Allgeier holds the CISSP, CISM, NSA IAM, Security +, Linux + and other security and Information Technology certifications. He was a NERC Cyber Security Standards drafting team member, which are the new security standards for the North American electric grid. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From tameika.reed at rackspace.com Fri May 25 11:40:30 2007 From: tameika.reed at rackspace.com (Tameika Reed) Date: Fri May 25 11:43:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <240FE6D667B3AC4AB1C05C4CDB64DEB202967B53@SAT4MX03.RACKSPACE.CORP> Have you looked into Zimbra? -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Leif Johnson Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:03 AM To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] email retention I got wind of a proposed law or (PIA) to mandate public agencies to retain copies of all emails entering their networks. As a public school IT administrator I'm wondering what open source solution I can implement to retain copies of all emails. Sheesh, will I have to keep copies of the tons of SPAM I'm dumping into /dev/null too? Can someone point me toward a reliable source of information? Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace Managed Hosting. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at abuse@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri May 25 11:49:40 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri May 25 11:50:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0705250949w2b6f8ccbn4ca33d1450040ae@mail.gmail.com> Procmail comes to mind. In your /etc/procmailrc put: :0 c /var/spool/mail/backup On 5/25/07, Leif Johnson wrote: > > I got wind of a proposed law or (PIA) to mandate public agencies to retain > copies of all emails entering their networks. > > As a public school IT administrator I'm wondering what open source > solution I can implement to retain copies of all emails. Sheesh, will I > have to keep copies of the tons of SPAM I'm dumping into /dev/null too? > > Can someone point me toward a reliable source of information? > > Sincerely, > -Leif Johnson > Port Aransas ISD > 100 Station St > Port Aransas Tx 78373 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 25 11:50:11 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 25 11:54:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/25/07, Leif Johnson wrote: > I got wind of a proposed law or (PIA) to mandate public agencies to > retain copies of all emails entering their networks. It's already the law in the UK, look up the Regulation of Internet Powers (RIP) Act. Given the way that countries tend to export their laws to other countries these days, you're probably already subject to that law, if any of your systems ever receive an e-mail message from any person who lives or works in the UK, or who has a UK-related address -- or has ever done so in the past, or will ever do so in the future. This sort of thing is also already the law here in the US, for certain industries. Again, you're probably already subject to those laws if your servers ever receive any e-mail from anyone who works in any of those industries, has ever worked in any of those industries, or ever will work in any of those industries. Right now, that requirement is a minimum of seven years, but that timeframe will probably increase dramatically in the future. > As a public school IT administrator I'm wondering what open source > solution I can implement to retain copies of all emails. What's your MTA? Most MTAs can be configured to send a copy of all incoming or outgoing e-mail to a secondary mailbox, although the specific way you do that will depend on what type of MTA you have. > Sheesh, will > I have to keep copies of the tons of SPAM I'm dumping into /dev/null too? Probably. > Can someone point me toward a reliable source of information? You mean that there are reliable sources of information? -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 25 11:52:46 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 25 11:54:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705250922u1e1a57c4s7723c82dc89bac9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410705250819k2f8f87fcwdb1335378ca77c7d@mail.gmail.com> <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <277020fc0705250922u1e1a57c4s7723c82dc89bac9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/25/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > The only laptop I have ever used that has perfectly > working ACPI functions is my wife's MacBook pro. I would be willing > to pay extra for a laptop that would properly go to sleep and wake up > as it's supposed to. I have problems with my MacBook Pro. Sometimes it goes to sleep and wakes up properly, and sometimes it doesn't. I have not yet figured out precisely what the issue is. > It's very frustrating to have several windows and programs open, only > to find that your laptop won't wake up properly after a hibernate or > sleep, and you have to hard-reboot with the power button. Yup. I've had way more problems with my laptop not going to sleep properly or not waking up properly, ever since I "upgraded" from my older PowerBook G4/17 to this newer MacBook Pro/17. > Yes, this is one of my pet peeves about laptops in general. Why even > bother to offer these features if nobody can seem to get them working > correctly. I share your pain. Believe me, I share your pain. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From brad at shub-internet.org Fri May 25 11:54:07 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 25 11:54:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705250932k778cf014w656275de5533902d@mail.gmail.com> References: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> <4654BDE8.4030803@rugmonster.org> <319067990705250843n16e759bcr8af2882bedb5f642@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705250932k778cf014w656275de5533902d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/25/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > Yet another reason I like OS X, it allows you to do exactly this, > encrypt your entire home directory just by checking a box in the > preferences . . . I use Mac OS X. I don't use this feature, because it has screwed up way too many people in the past. It's a nice idea, but I am nowhere near convinced that Apple has properly implemented it yet. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From eli at then7.com Fri May 25 12:00:40 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Fri May 25 12:00:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46571638.1020407@then7.com> on a tangent, I remember reading about Lamar Smith's "Safety Act". (Texas Representative - Republican) A very vague, open ended bill, that would mandate ISPs to keep track of stuff, for a long long time. I pretty much despise all this stuff. e Leif Johnson wrote: > > I got wind of a proposed law or (PIA) to mandate public agencies to > retain copies of all emails entering their networks. > > As a public school IT administrator I'm wondering what open source > solution I can implement to retain copies of all emails. Sheesh, will > I have to keep copies of the tons of SPAM I'm dumping into /dev/null too? > > Can someone point me toward a reliable source of information? > > Sincerely, > -Leif Johnson > Port Aransas ISD > 100 Station St > Port Aransas Tx 78373 > From dryicezero at gmail.com Fri May 25 13:56:50 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Fri May 25 13:57:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Airport Ovation Message-ID: <319067990705251156r31c4ebc8t32d7b208a6482401@mail.gmail.com> I just wanted to share something with the group that moved me greatly today. I was in the American Airlines terminal here at SAT waiting on a flight to DFW onto SF, CA. I saw a lady waiting with a bunch of balloons and two kids at the gate. For those that are regular fliers, you are not allowed to wait for anyone at the gate. You must have a ticket to pass security. Naturally I was curious, but I didn't want to ask her anything. Well when the plane landed, a man in a US ARMY uniform (her husband) got off. I wasn't paying attention when he got off until the entire terminal, and I am not exaggerating, the entire terminal was giving a standing ovation. When I turned around to see what happened, I almost shed a tear. People all over the place were crying even though they didn't know the woman or her husband. It really moves me to see that there are still so many decent people in this world, and I just wanted to share my firsthand experience today. I hope it makes everyone's day a little better. -Ernest From hc at lookcee.com Fri May 25 14:02:54 2007 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Fri May 25 14:03:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: References: <14842c410705250819k2f8f87fcwdb1335378ca77c7d@mail.gmail.com> <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <277020fc0705250922u1e1a57c4s7723c82dc89bac9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465732DE.8070401@lookcee.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > On 5/25/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > >> The only laptop I have ever used that has perfectly >> working ACPI functions is my wife's MacBook pro. I would be willing >> to pay extra for a laptop that would properly go to sleep and wake up >> as it's supposed to. > > I have problems with my MacBook Pro. Sometimes it goes to sleep and > wakes up properly, and sometimes it doesn't. I have not yet figured > out precisely what the issue is. > >> It's very frustrating to have several windows and programs open, only >> to find that your laptop won't wake up properly after a hibernate or >> sleep, and you have to hard-reboot with the power button. > > Yup. I've had way more problems with my laptop not going to sleep > properly or not waking up properly, ever since I "upgraded" from my > older PowerBook G4/17 to this newer MacBook Pro/17. > >> Yes, this is one of my pet peeves about laptops in general. Why even >> bother to offer these features if nobody can seem to get them working >> correctly. > > I share your pain. Believe me, I share your pain. > I being a noob cannot comment except to say that all three of my rigs have the power mgt turned off because of that same problem altho a bit different in that all the machines do wake up but I lose the connection on all three via the KVM sw so I cannot use the kb or mouse only the video. one is Win ME, one is Ubunu 5.10 and other is the new install of Ubuntu 7.04. I usually force down the Wid rig since it does that anyway and the Linux rigs do not. Big noob sneer. The sw is a mechanical sw not a usb so I figured it had to do with the sleep process on the individual machines I had hoped to look into it but I will hope this thread will shed some light. Thanks Herb C From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri May 25 14:04:02 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri May 25 14:04:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Airport Ovation In-Reply-To: <319067990705251156r31c4ebc8t32d7b208a6482401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <822203.32724.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> made my day better. I work here @ FT. Sam, even though I never say anything, I'm grateful for the sacrifice these men & women put forth. -Alex --- Ernest de Leon wrote: > I just wanted to share something with the group that > moved me greatly today. > > I was in the American Airlines terminal here at SAT > waiting on a flight to > DFW onto SF, CA. I saw a lady waiting with a bunch > of balloons and two kids > at the gate. For those that are regular fliers, you > are not allowed to wait > for anyone at the gate. You must have a ticket to > pass security. Naturally > I was curious, but I didn't want to ask her > anything. Well when the plane > landed, a man in a US ARMY uniform (her husband) got > off. I wasn't paying > attention when he got off until the entire terminal, > and I am not > exaggerating, the entire terminal was giving a > standing ovation. When I > turned around to see what happened, I almost shed a > tear. People all over > the place were crying even though they didn't know > the woman or her > husband. It really moves me to see that there are > still so many decent > people in this world, and I just wanted to share my > firsthand experience > today. I hope it makes everyone's day a little > better. > > -Ernest > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Fri May 25 14:07:07 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Fri May 25 14:07:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55602.24.28.24.180.1180120028.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > I was a little surprised to see a company like Dell > offer Linux ready machines. I dont know what is > taking the big companies so long anyway.. There is > money to be made in the Linux industry. > > -Alex > > --- Jonathan Hull wrote: > >> Dell has begun shipping some of their machines (3 at >> this time) with Linux >> preloaded. They went with Ubuntu Feisty 7.04 as the >> Distro. >> >> The systems come with full hardware support and >> warranty like the Windows >> machines, and they appear to be slightly cheaper >> than the Windows equivalent >> machines (that's more than you can say about the old >> FreeDOS offerings). >> >> http://www.dell.com/open/ >> >> Props to Dell for standing up to the Microsoft BS. I like the looks of the laptop, good price for a dual-core IMO, just a little low on the memory. I wonder if it can run Beryl. From scarolan at gmail.com Fri May 25 14:08:32 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri May 25 14:08:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: References: <319067990705231254q18af5592qe7640cd8a26d717e@mail.gmail.com> <4654BDE8.4030803@rugmonster.org> <319067990705250843n16e759bcr8af2882bedb5f642@mail.gmail.com> <277020fc0705250932k778cf014w656275de5533902d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0705251208x406fc9c2tb992206e10df5e31@mail.gmail.com> > I use Mac OS X. I don't use this feature, because it has screwed up > way too many people in the past. It's a nice idea, but I am nowhere > near convinced that Apple has properly implemented it yet. Here's my $0.02 on OS X FileVault(1): It works great until you attempt to log out or shut down. Imagine you've selected "shutdown" and walked away from the computer expecting it to "/sbin/shutdown -h now", but no, a friendly pop-up window appears a few seconds later asking whether you want to optimize your FileVault volume. Apple is generally pretty good about UI and design, this is a huge mistake. I wouldn't put it up there with the one-button hockey-puck mouse(2), but still. You shouldn't ask the end-user this kind of question during a shutdown. Or at least have a reasonable timeout period after which it simply unmounts the volume and shuts down. Instead the computer sits there prompting you, until you answer the question or the battery dies. I can't speak from personal experience about file corruption, but I'm sure it could happen. Filesystems on encrypted volumes can sometimes be fragile and hard to recover. 1. http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/filevault/ 2. http://images.google.com/images?q=hockey+puck+mouse From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Fri May 25 14:13:35 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Fri May 25 14:14:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10798.24.28.24.180.1180120415.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > > I got wind of a proposed law or (PIA) to mandate public agencies to retain > copies of all emails entering their networks. > > As a public school IT administrator I'm wondering what open source > solution I can implement to retain copies of all emails. Sheesh, will I > have to keep copies of the tons of SPAM I'm dumping into /dev/null too? I don't know if this would work for this proposed new law, but Zimbra just came out with an archiving and discovery add-on for their commercial system: http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra_archiving.html. From scarolan at gmail.com Fri May 25 14:23:54 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri May 25 14:24:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: <55602.24.28.24.180.1180120028.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <55602.24.28.24.180.1180120028.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0705251223p23d91977n6e5b09fd482e622@mail.gmail.com> > I like the looks of the laptop, good price for a dual-core IMO, just a little > low on the memory. I wonder if it can run Beryl. http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Support_for_INTEL_cards From masterr at gmail.com Fri May 25 14:34:50 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Fri May 25 14:35:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: <277020fc0705251223p23d91977n6e5b09fd482e622@mail.gmail.com> References: <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <55602.24.28.24.180.1180120028.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <277020fc0705251223p23d91977n6e5b09fd482e622@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410705251234n50edd04v32caa552c653a16a@mail.gmail.com> I run Beryl on 512MB or RAM with one of the slower Core (not core 2) duos with Intel graphics. It works great till I run out of RAM and start swapping. I should have gone with the 1GB at least. On 5/25/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > > I like the looks of the laptop, good price for a dual-core IMO, just a > little > > low on the memory. I wonder if it can run Beryl. > > http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Support_for_INTEL_cards > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From wmail at wricomp.com Fri May 25 16:30:44 2007 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri May 25 16:31:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: <465732DE.8070401@lookcee.com> References: <14842c410705250819k2f8f87fcwdb1335378ca77c7d@mail.gmail.com> <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <277020fc0705250922u1e1a57c4s7723c82dc89bac9d@mail.gmail.com> <465732DE.8070401@lookcee.com> Message-ID: >I being a noob cannot comment except to say that all three of my rigs >have the power mgt turned off because of that same problem altho a bit >different in that all the machines do wake up but I lose the connection >on all three via the KVM sw so I cannot use the kb or mouse only the >video. ... The sw is a mechanical sw not a usb ... Get a real electronic KVM switch instead of the mechanical one. What you have is the same as unplugging the mouse from one machine and plugging it into another. The keyboard and mouse both have processors in them that need to be powered at all times, or reset with the proper sequence. The device drivers in the computers often cannot cope with connecting a keyboard or mouse at any time other than initial power-up. The electronic KVM switches handle all that and more. I've been there. It's worth the extra money if only to keep the video from getting funny colors as the mechanical switch ages. --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From hc at lookcee.com Fri May 25 16:54:43 2007 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Fri May 25 16:55:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived In-Reply-To: References: <14842c410705250819k2f8f87fcwdb1335378ca77c7d@mail.gmail.com> <807439.8911.qm@web55612.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <277020fc0705250922u1e1a57c4s7723c82dc89bac9d@mail.gmail.com> <465732DE.8070401@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <46575B23.3050909@lookcee.com> Don Wright wrote: >> I being a noob cannot comment except to say that all three of my rigs >> have the power mgt turned off because of that same problem altho a bit >> different in that all the machines do wake up but I lose the connection >> on all three via the KVM sw so I cannot use the kb or mouse only the >> video. ... The sw is a mechanical sw not a usb ... >> > > > Get a real electronic KVM switch instead of the mechanical one. What you > have is the same as unplugging the mouse from one machine and plugging it > into another. The keyboard and mouse both have processors in them that > need to be powered at all times, or reset with the proper sequence. The > device drivers in the computers often cannot cope with connecting a > keyboard or mouse at any time other than initial power-up. The electronic > KVM switches handle all that and more. > Wow thanks Don, several yrs back I bought a usb sw but in my ignorence did not know that it only worked on Usb mobos and two of my puters at that time still did not have usb so I got the mechanical sw. I still have it somewhere I think. I gonna look cause it is anoying when shutting any of the 3 down I have to push the sw over to the live rig before the shut down hits half way or i lose the other ones. so that problem will be solved as well I gather. LOL I will crow here when I find it and it works. thanks again herb > I've been there. It's worth the extra money if only to keep the video from > getting funny colors as the mechanical switch ages. --Don > > From nathan at gvtc.com Fri May 25 17:08:38 2007 From: nathan at gvtc.com (nathan@gvtc.com) Date: Fri May 25 17:09:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Linux 2.16 Message-ID: <20070525170838.vw5p3iwl34ocs0wc@webmail.gvtc.com> For those following Puppy Linux, 2.16 is now out. There is an update for it in the Discussion Forum called SP216. Nathan Oxhandler From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri May 25 17:40:51 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri May 25 17:41:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Airport Ovation In-Reply-To: <319067990705251156r31c4ebc8t32d7b208a6482401@mail.gmail.com> References: <319067990705251156r31c4ebc8t32d7b208a6482401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465765F3.5020307@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Ernest de Leon wrote: > I just wanted to share something with the group that moved me greatly > today. > > I was in the American Airlines terminal here at SAT waiting on a flight to > DFW onto SF, CA. I saw a lady waiting with a bunch of balloons and two > kids > at the gate. For those that are regular fliers, you are not allowed to > wait > for anyone at the gate. You must have a ticket to pass security. > Naturally > I was curious, but I didn't want to ask her anything. Well when the plane > landed, a man in a US ARMY uniform (her husband) got off. I wasn't paying > attention when he got off until the entire terminal, and I am not > exaggerating, the entire terminal was giving a standing ovation. When I > turned around to see what happened, I almost shed a tear. People all over > the place were crying even though they didn't know the woman or her > husband. It really moves me to see that there are still so many decent > people in this world, and I just wanted to share my firsthand experience > today. I hope it makes everyone's day a little better. > > -Ernest That's awesome. I don't have any other words... - -- David Kowis www.sourcemage.org SourceMage GNU/Linux Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRldl88nf+vRw63ObAQq0BAwAqmpuw38bDNzHbe37Qqr5r4ZapygNrSSv U7TRbM9pjYusrhEAt5NuLK8yjgmSPVyYd33ebbh/h70/B0d8xAhMVLuKAKyocN9a xaDO0UIZBl9gv+h0l5IG/xJv50wsQCLSTOwNSfdwS/lEh13xDDwHtdFr6Kr8dMbF /PyojhqmLRx6+MLbbQPDdOqLMSAmbIllgLGujla+z0UnFIj/LkUkFQe4o4hi4vda 7GhBvaFhpj/rXyTCHcEyQFzOtvAfY4R0xXdbkZOWBTcZ30nhLKj+ZnwyXibw37Bo ODVOKhJucYM9eu7e6ul4bZ03x0ZWQAP+ARzrMD3+2ofmmz7q9WZAQM39iCZNlgrG 41R3Gs7QXaQmlV6UyhK9lF7lyXBylBTx4vRL5vNuxjW6bAaLnwDFcZDw+ayG7VXu 9ygyIBmSbfJskKpBNKaQ5dDTB8GxSqkQTdO9RSTM7ngWggXkxIPjcTDrbff/m11C +uKUnmrP5sIBJHZcGZ47NbY9j21oAhiU =eB+d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scs at worldlinkisp.com Fri May 25 17:42:11 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Fri May 25 17:42:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SMART Drive Reset Message-ID: <39543d3ceb6d4ca4ba99d00aee5cf821.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Any chance I missed a method for reseting a SMART drive. Googling around says it can't be done, but I imagine there is a way and that it's not readily published. My son has left his notebook on 24/7 and the SMART algorithm thinks the drive is about to quit. The drive works fine, it just a PITA viewing the warning and having to hit F1 every time it boots. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri May 25 18:11:01 2007 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri May 25 18:11:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SMART Drive Reset In-Reply-To: <39543d3ceb6d4ca4ba99d00aee5cf821.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: Not sure about resetting but you can turn it off in BIOS. It usually in the HD portion of the BIOS or at least it is on my computer Zeb On 5/25/07 5:42 PM, "scs@worldlinkisp.com" wrote: > Any chance I missed a method for reseting a SMART > drive. > > Googling around says it can't be done, but I imagine > there is a way and that it's not readily published. > > My son has left his notebook on 24/7 and the SMART > algorithm thinks the drive is about to quit. > > The drive works fine, it just a PITA viewing the > warning and having to hit F1 every time it boots. From leon36 at gmail.com Fri May 25 20:08:43 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri May 25 20:09:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SMART Drive Reset In-Reply-To: <39543d3ceb6d4ca4ba99d00aee5cf821.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <39543d3ceb6d4ca4ba99d00aee5cf821.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <4657889B.2030507@gmail.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Any chance I missed a method for reseting a SMART > drive. > > Googling around says it can't be done, but I imagine > there is a way and that it's not readily published. > > My son has left his notebook on 24/7 and the SMART > algorithm thinks the drive is about to quit. > > The drive works fine, it just a PITA viewing the > warning and having to hit F1 every time it boots. > If SMART is saying there are errors then something must be wrong I would think. There are plenty of utilities for viewing the SMART parameters. For windows use hdtune and for linux there is smartmontools (a simple "smartctl -a /dev/xxx" at command line) Here are some nice explanations for the parameters: http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/smart-attributes/ Tell us what you find! Sam From davidcrockett at yahoo.com Fri May 25 21:41:03 2007 From: davidcrockett at yahoo.com (Henry Crockett) Date: Fri May 25 21:41:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention Message-ID: <112011.39559.qm@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com> OK, here's what you do: 1. Buy 2 file cabinets, fill the drawers with plastic bags of shredded paper. Then lock the drawers & throw away the key. 2. When someone asks if you are storing the email copies tell them they are in the file cabinets. 3. If anyone breaks into the cabinets tell them the emails are stored that way "for security reasons." 4. If anyone ever asks for an copy of an email tell them they have to USPS a written request to the ISO office: ISO Central Secretariat 1, ch. de la Voie-Creuse Case postale 56 CH-1211 Geneva 20 Switzerland. (They NEVER respond.) 5. If anyone ever presses you hard say that the email that they need is in the remote storage warehouse because that file cabinet was full. You are unsure which warehouse because that isn't your job. 6. By the time anyone figures out that they have been had you will be retired in Costa Rica. (Or maybe a congressman yourself.) Henry D. Crockett, Ph.D. - Associate Professor Computer Information Systems & Security, School of Business Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, TX 78207-4689 Voice: 210-434-6711 X8156 Fax: 210-434-0821 http://www.davidcrockett.net "Attract perfect customers by focusing on and specifically attracting the 20% of your customers who give you 80% of your profits." - The One Minute Millionaire, MV Hanson & RG Allen ----- Original Message ---- From: Leif Johnson To: satlug@satlug.org Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:03:22 AM Subject: [SATLUG] email retention I got wind of a proposed law or (PIA) to mandate public agencies to retain copies of all emails entering their networks. As a public school IT administrator I'm wondering what open source solution I can implement to retain copies of all emails. Sheesh, will I have to keep copies of the tons of SPAM I'm dumping into /dev/null too? Can someone point me toward a reliable source of information? Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat May 26 01:44:37 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Sat May 26 01:44:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SMART Drive Reset In-Reply-To: <39543d3ceb6d4ca4ba99d00aee5cf821.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <39543d3ceb6d4ca4ba99d00aee5cf821.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <200705260144.38871.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 25 May 2007 17:42, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: [...] > The drive works fine, it just a PITA viewing the > warning and having to hit F1 every time it boots. There are two type of SMART failures.. 1) The most commonly known type are the passive "threshold" theoretical errors that the BIOS tells you about once the drives parameters (temp, error rate, rpms, etc) pass certain manufacturer pre-programmed thresholds (some times you can trust.. some times they're worthless).. but it usually indicates that there's some kind of problem. 2) The less common, real world read/write tests that you can manually tell the drive to run and report back to you on. For this test, there is a short and a long variety. The short test (usually less than 3 minutes) is around 93% accurate in detecting non false positive errors.. and the long around 97% (according to the author of smarttools). Ignore the BIOS error crap for now. In linux, to perform a real r/w test, do this: As root, turn on Smart on the drive (regardless of BIOS setting): # smartctl -s on /dev/hda for SATA drives, like this: # smartctl -s on /dev/sda -d ata smartctl version 5.36 [x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce ... === START OF ENABLE/DISABLE COMMANDS SECTION === SMART Enabled. Now, issue the short test command and wait 5 minutes: # smartctl -t short /dev/hda ; sleep 300 for PATA... and for SATA: # smartctl -t short /dev/sda -d ata ; sleep 300 smartctl version 5.36 [x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce ... === START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION === Sending command: "Execute SMART Short self-test routine immediately in off-line mode". Drive command "Execute SMART Short self-test routine immediately in off-line mode" successful. Testing has begun. Please wait 2 minutes for test to complete. Test will complete after Sat May 26 01:17:05 2007 Use smartctl -X to abort test. Now read the results (for my SATA): # smartctl -a /dev/sda -d ata|grep -B1 -A1 ^# Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_error # 1 Short offline Completed 00% 765 - The Completed and 00% shows that it made it through the whole test without error. If there had been an error, you would have seem something like: Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_error # 1 Short offline Write Error 75% 765 76799128 or something like that.. The cool thing about this r/w test is that it is non-destructive to the OS filesystem and can be run on line with little to no performance degradation nor any danger (or much) to system stability. These r/w test access reserved blocks on the drive across the full drive surface.. so it can even detect physical problems all across the platter surface. It's pretty sweet. Anyway.. if you detect an error like this with a short or long test.. then get your data off ASAP. If the drive is sick, I would NOT attempt a "cp -a" of file copy to get the data off.. as slewing the heads a lot can drive the nails into the coffin on an already sick drive. Likewise.. don't attempt a plain-jane ghosting of the data off either.. either of these could kill it. Either do a straight dd of the data/important partitions off onto another device (on another channel or bus, such as hdc), or ddrescue (available on the Helix live distro: http://www.e-fense.com/helix/) the data off. If you're more familiar with or prefer Ghost, DO NOT use it as you regularly would (this will kill a sick drive).. but instead invoke it with the "Forensic mode" switch like this: A:\ ghost.exe -ir (image raw) Anyway.. get the data off the drive to a safe place and then you can futz with the sick drive. That is.. unless the data is not important to you.. :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat May 26 01:48:24 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tom weeks) Date: Sat May 26 01:48:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Finance / Business Management Application In-Reply-To: <4654AAC3.8080209@gmail.com> References: <403abb680705231259n4389454at109297ceef093acc@mail.gmail.com> <403abb680705231312m785e9682gac66385a1f45a2d7@mail.gmail.com> <4654AAC3.8080209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705260148.24657.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 23 May 2007 15:57, pixelnate wrote: [...] > Well, Basecamp lets you experience it for free (with one project), but > as your business needs grow you can upgrade to their more robust > services. The prices seem resonable but I have nothing to compare them > to. I have looked at it many times, but since most of my work comes from > a single client, it is fairly easy to manage without something like > Basecamp. Lot so of folks at Rackspace use basecamp. We love it. Tweeks From mkinsel at gmail.com Sat May 26 13:51:56 2007 From: mkinsel at gmail.com (Matt Kinsel) Date: Sat May 26 13:52:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual Monitors with FC6 Message-ID: <403abb680705261151q15178cb1o6c94604dba5ca1ba@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'm running Fedora Core 6 on a Sony Vaio laptop, and I've got an extra CRT monitor that I want to use as a second monitor for my system. My laptop has a VGA port which I will connect the monitor to. I used the GUI tool "system-config-display" to attempt to configure a dual-head environment. After I saved the settings I logged out and tried to restart my X server. However, I received a message saying "Failed to start X server", and then I was given the option to view the Xorg.0.log. The first thing I found was this warning: (WW) No monitor specified for screen "Screen0" Using a default monitor configuration I also found two errors: (EE) ATI: XF86Config Device sections "Videocard0" and "Videocard1" may not be assigned to the same adapter (EE)No devices detected And after those two errors there was this message: Fatal server error: no screens found That was the end of the Xorg.0.log, and then I was able to try to reconfigure the X server settings. After typing in my root password, the shell output this: Couldn't start X server on card 0 Couldn't start X server with old config, trying with a fresh configuration After that I was given the "system-config-display" GUI tool to reconfigure the settings. I put them back how they were (no dual-head), and then the X server started fine. Well, that's how it went down. Sorry for the play-by-play details, but I feel that the more info given the better. Anyways, here are my /etc/X11/xorg.conf files for the two setups: Single head: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_90jjqtn5 Dual head: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp Could y'all help me out with this? TIA From gabriel.doss at gmail.com Sat May 26 14:41:20 2007 From: gabriel.doss at gmail.com (Gabriel Doss) Date: Sat May 26 14:41:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dual Monitors with FC6 In-Reply-To: <403abb680705261151q15178cb1o6c94604dba5ca1ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <403abb680705261151q15178cb1o6c94604dba5ca1ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f9a93640705261241w5f2949b3lb59ce2060a582ed0@mail.gmail.com> I don't use ATI or a laptop, but I do have dual monitors using FC6 using an nVidia card. Screen0 needs to be linked to something. Try specifying the laptop monitor as Monitor0. It would default to that with only one monitor so you don't need it in the single-head config. To sum up, add a: "Monitor" "Monitor0" line to Screen0. Also add a monitor device identified as "Monitor0." Use the specs of your laptop monitor for that. I'd also edit xorg.conf by hand as I've never had system-config-display work when attempting a dual monitor setup. There are just too many variables that it does not account for. The other thing you may want to check is if the ati driver can handle dual monitors. You may need the proprietary fglrx driver. I have no idea whether it can or cannot, just may be something you want to check. And good luck. Trial and error is how I got mine to work. I've had to redo my xorg.conf file many times as I make hardware and other changes, and it is usually a struggle. On 5/26/07, Matt Kinsel wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm running Fedora Core 6 on a Sony Vaio laptop, and I've got an extra CRT > monitor that I want to use as a second monitor for my system. My laptop > has > a VGA port which I will connect the monitor to. I used the GUI tool > "system-config-display" to attempt to configure a dual-head environment. > After I saved the settings I logged out and tried to restart my X server. > However, I received a message saying "Failed to start X server", and then > I > was given the option to view the Xorg.0.log. The first thing I found was > this warning: > (WW) No monitor specified for screen "Screen0" > Using a default monitor configuration > > I also found two errors: > (EE) ATI: XF86Config Device sections "Videocard0" and "Videocard1" may not > be assigned to the same adapter > (EE)No devices detected > > And after those two errors there was this message: > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > That was the end of the Xorg.0.log, and then I was able to try to > reconfigure the X server settings. After typing in my root password, the > shell output this: > Couldn't start X server on card 0 > Couldn't start X server with old config, trying with a fresh configuration > > After that I was given the "system-config-display" GUI tool to reconfigure > the settings. I put them back how they were (no dual-head), and then the > X > server started fine. > > Well, that's how it went down. Sorry for the play-by-play details, but I > feel that the more info given the better. Anyways, here are my > /etc/X11/xorg.conf files for the two setups: > > Single head: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_90jjqtn5 > Dual head: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgrrq4fk_89dkgpnp > > Could y'all help me out with this? > TIA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From aaron at aaronhackney.com Sat May 26 14:46:20 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Sat May 26 14:46:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: <112011.39559.qm@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <112011.39559.qm@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46588E8C.7030903@aaronhackney.com> Henry Crockett wrote: > OK, here's what you do: > > 1. Buy 2 file cabinets, fill the drawers with plastic bags of shredded paper. Then lock the drawers & throw away the key. > 2. When someone asks if you are storing the email copies tell them they are in the file cabinets. > 3. If anyone breaks into the cabinets tell them the emails are stored that way "for security reasons." > 4. If anyone ever asks for an copy of an email tell them they have to USPS a written request to the ISO office: > > > ISO Central Secretariat > > 1, ch. de la Voie-Creuse > > Case postale 56 > > CH-1211 Geneva 20 > > Switzerland. > (They NEVER respond.) > > 5. If anyone ever presses you hard say that the email that they need is in the remote storage warehouse because that file cabinet was full. You are unsure which warehouse because that isn't your job. > 6. By the time anyone figures out that they have been had you will be retired in Costa Rica. (Or maybe a congressman yourself.) > > Sounds like something straight from the BOFH archives :) From wmail at wricomp.com Sat May 26 15:13:31 2007 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Sat May 26 15:14:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: <46588E8C.7030903@aaronhackney.com> References: <112011.39559.qm@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46588E8C.7030903@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 May 2007 14:46:20 -0500, Aaron Hackney wrote: >Henry Crockett wrote: >> OK, here's what you do: >> 1. Buy 2 file cabinets, fill the drawers with plastic bags of shredded >> paper. Then lock the drawers & throw away the key. ... >> 5. If anyone ever presses you hard say that the email that they need is in >> the remote storage warehouse because that file cabinet was full. You are >> unsure which warehouse because that isn't your job. >Sounds like something straight from the BOFH archives :) Actually it's pretty much what MS did to avoid anti-trust convictions on email they should have retained and provided to the court. On the other hand, they have recently admitted copying concepts from Linux for their Windows Server 2008, so perhaps they can't even innovate being evil. --Don -- MS Windows: The great crippler of young computers. From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat May 26 15:35:46 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat May 26 15:36:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: <46588E8C.7030903@aaronhackney.com> References: <112011.39559.qm@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46588E8C.7030903@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <46589A22.9080200@suddenlink.net> Aaron Hackney wrote: > Henry Crockett wrote: >> OK, here's what you do: >> >> 1. Buy 2 file cabinets, fill the drawers with plastic bags of >> shredded paper. Then lock the drawers & throw away the key. >> 2. When someone asks if you are storing the email copies tell them >> they are in the file cabinets. >> 3. If anyone breaks into the cabinets tell them the emails are stored >> that way "for security reasons." >> 4. If anyone ever asks for an copy of an email tell them they have to >> USPS a written request to the ISO office: >> >> >> ISO Central Secretariat >> >> 1, ch. de la Voie-Creuse >> >> Case postale 56 >> CH-1211 Geneva 20 >> >> Switzerland. >> (They NEVER respond.) >> >> 5. If anyone ever presses you hard say that the email that they need >> is in the remote storage warehouse because that file cabinet was >> full. You are unsure which warehouse because that isn't your job. >> 6. By the time anyone figures out that they have been had you will be >> retired in Costa Rica. (Or maybe a congressman yourself.) >> >> > Sounds like something straight from the BOFH archives :) > Unfortunately regarding this response, the state of Texas has these guys called "Rangers" (Not the crappy Dallas based baseball team) who don't give a rotten rat's ass about writing to Switzerland, and thoroughly enjoy busting public officials who fail to comply with public law. The current state of the proposed law is that it will require retention of all e-mails dealing with business involving public funds. For a school district, that would mean a message from the superintendent to the financial officer about the cost of new uniforms for the football team, but not the message from the super's secretary to her husband about their lunch date that week. This is no different than what is currently required for written correspondence concerning the same type of matters. The district where I work has estimated that to store e-mail for the required 7 years currently being bandied about, we will need about 300 to 500 megabytes of storage. This we can do on our current NAS without any problems or with any need to upgrade our current system. There is a lot less to worry about than it may sound like. Peace, Dennis -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From twistedpickles at gmail.com Sat May 26 16:51:15 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Sat May 26 16:49:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Linux Machines Have Arrived Message-ID: <4658ab4c.6349c746.4e3e.ffff9e9e@mx.google.com> I have had great success with ACPI on Dell laptops under fedora 6, and just recently Ubuntu. I never turn my laptops off I send them into suspend. The only problem I experience with suspend is when I run beryl. Beryl cripples gnome when it comes back from suspend so I launch a script that changes the window manager to metacity before suspend and the reverse after suspend. ::twistedpickles :: : From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat May 26 19:08:22 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat May 26 19:08:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: <46589A22.9080200@suddenlink.net> References: <112011.39559.qm@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46588E8C.7030903@aaronhackney.com> <46589A22.9080200@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <47819.24.28.24.180.1180224502.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Unfortunately regarding this response, the state of Texas has these guys > called "Rangers" (Not the crappy Dallas based baseball team) who don't > give a rotten rat's ass about writing to Switzerland, and thoroughly > enjoy busting public officials who fail to comply with public law. The > current state of the proposed law is that it will require retention of > all e-mails dealing with business involving public funds. For a school > district, that would mean a message from the superintendent to the > financial officer about the cost of new uniforms for the football team, > but not the message from the super's secretary to her husband about > their lunch date that week. This is no different than what is currently > required for written correspondence concerning the same type of > matters. The district where I work has estimated that to store e-mail > for the required 7 years currently being bandied about, we will need > about 300 to 500 megabytes of storage. This we can do on our current > NAS without any problems or with any need to upgrade our current > system. There is a lot less to worry about than it may sound like. > Peace, Dennis "Principal, here is my proposal for the next fiscal year's budget in Excel format. It's attached to this email and is only 4 MB." "Well, Superintendent, here is my revision to that plus an addition to what you set up. Mine is only 5MB." "OK, I'm signing this email back to you and re-attaching the email so it's 'legal'." "I agree. Now we need to send this to every board member." ... And so, we're now up to, what, 100-200MB? Perhaps an extreme example, but just proposing that many of these emails are going to have attachments. Most of those attachments would have better been served by some collaboration software instead, but habits die hard. Therefore, there will be attachments of multiple copies and revisions of the same documents floating around. How many of those will need to be retained under the new law? From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat May 26 19:44:02 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat May 26 19:44:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: <47819.24.28.24.180.1180224502.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> References: <112011.39559.qm@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46588E8C.7030903@aaronhackney.com> <46589A22.9080200@suddenlink.net> <47819.24.28.24.180.1180224502.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <4658D452.5090907@suddenlink.net> Thomas King wrote: > "Principal, here is my proposal for the next fiscal year's budget in Excel > format. It's attached to this email and is only 4 MB." > "Well, Superintendent, here is my revision to that plus an addition to what you > set up. Mine is only 5MB." > "OK, I'm signing this email back to you and re-attaching the email so it's > 'legal'." > "I agree. Now we need to send this to every board member." > > ... > > And so, we're now up to, what, 100-200MB? > > Perhaps an extreme example, but just proposing that many of these emails are > going to have attachments. Most of those attachments would have better been > served by some collaboration software instead, but habits die hard. Therefore, > there will be attachments of multiple copies and revisions of the same documents > floating around. How many of those will need to be retained under the new law? > According to what was presented to the Technical committee, everything up to the message sent out to the board members would need to be retained, plus one copy of what was sent to all board members. Yes, this is going to be a bit of a pain, but, once again, it is NO DIFFERENT than what is currently required by law for on paper communications. This already has to be done for memos and RFPs and RFCs which are submitted on paper. We are dealing with public funds in the school district, and the public has a right to expect some form of accountability, and this is what law-makers have come up with. Considering that it is law-makers who have come up with this (and it is not in its' final form yet), they could have done a hell of a lot worse and demanded a much larger number of hoops to jump through. And, though not being able to speak about other districts, no one where I work has ever used a spreadsheet to share financial data. They use them for things which could better be done by building a form in OpenOffice or Word. Use a spreadsheet for sharing or presenting financial data? Ridiculous! Peace, Dennis -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org Sat May 26 20:57:30 2007 From: kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org (Thomas King) Date: Sat May 26 20:57:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] email retention In-Reply-To: <4658D452.5090907@suddenlink.net> References: <112011.39559.qm@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46588E8C.7030903@aaronhackney.com> <46589A22.9080200@suddenlink.net> <47819.24.28.24.180.1180224502.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> <4658D452.5090907@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <51786.24.28.24.180.1180231050.squirrel@tomslinux.homelinux.org> > Thomas King wrote: >> "Principal, here is my proposal for the next fiscal year's budget in Excel >> format. It's attached to this email and is only 4 MB." >> "Well, Superintendent, here is my revision to that plus an addition to what >> you >> set up. Mine is only 5MB." >> "OK, I'm signing this email back to you and re-attaching the email so it's >> 'legal'." >> "I agree. Now we need to send this to every board member." >> >> ... >> >> And so, we're now up to, what, 100-200MB? >> >> Perhaps an extreme example, but just proposing that many of these emails are >> going to have attachments. Most of those attachments would have better been >> served by some collaboration software instead, but habits die hard. Therefore, >> there will be attachments of multiple copies and revisions of the same >> documents >> floating around. How many of those will need to be retained under the new law? >> > According to what was presented to the Technical committee, everything > up to the message sent out to the board members would need to be > retained, plus one copy of what was sent to all board members. Yes, > this is going to be a bit of a pain, but, once again, it is NO DIFFERENT > than what is currently required by law for on paper communications. > This already has to be done for memos and RFPs and RFCs which are > submitted on paper. We are dealing with public funds in the school > district, and the public has a right to expect some form of > accountability, and this is what law-makers have come up with. > Considering that it i