From leon36 at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 09:33:29 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Nov 1 09:33:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] /. Party In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4729E3B9.7080002@datanet.ath.cx> Brian Lewis wrote: > For anyone who had asked for my contact info from the /. party, here it is: > > astro@astr0.org > AIM/YIM: astro122581 > > We can start doing this as a monthly type of thing. We just need to > organize it. If any of you get on IRC anywhere, let me know and i'll > fire up the 'ol BX :) > > Anyway, Thanks for coming out and as soon as I get the package from /. > I'll post for discussion on where/how to get it. > > Thanks! > Brian Lewis Yea I wish I could have went. I got hung up with some work at the last minute. Sam From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Nov 1 09:57:35 2007 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Nov 1 09:57:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Not Ready for the Desktop Message-ID: John, Thanks for the input. OpenGroupware is one of the solutions I'm considering. I wouldn't mind using an "Exchange replacement" if it would allow my division to eventually migrate. We don't use Exchange, but I'll just focus on the calendar solution right now. I will certainly seek input for the Capstone and I appreciate your offer to read. -Kase John Pappas wrote: > Hey Kase, > > If you are only looking for calendaring/collaboration, Citadel is > overkill, as it is an exchange replacement (as are Zimbra and Scalix, > both of which have gotten good reviews though, and Zimbra has a large > footprint in Academia). > > I have not yet tried > , but it > looks like more of a fit, unless you want to replace Exchange for > Email also. > > Interesting Capstone, I would be interested in reading it, if you are > looking for outside input... > > Thanks! > John > > On 10/28/07, Kase Saylor wrote: > >> John Pappas wrote: >> >> >>> This is a long one. I felt that I needed to vent, as well as solicit >>> >>> input on my "Business Linux" adventures. SO here goes: >>> >>> As a business owner that is also a Linux bigot, I had the opportunity >>> >>> in late 2004-early 2005 to start a "green field" IT Infrastructure of >>> >>> my choosing. Having used Linux (Both Production and Personally) for >>> >>> years before that, I considered myself to be a reasonably strong >>> >>> "Power User" or maybe even SysAdmin II or so. >>> >>> In the beginning ALL my servers were Linux, as were ALL of my >>> >>> desktops. We did not have anybody other than myself (as a working >>> >>> consultant) on a laptop (search my previous posts with regard to my >>> >>> rock-solid ThinkPad t43p), which ran SUSE (and still does). >>> >>> All business line apps, including: >>> >>> -- PBX (Asterisk by Fonality), >>> >>> -- CRM (SugarCRM), >>> >>> -- WWW (Apache), >>> >>> -- File shares (NFS/SAMBA/FTP), >>> >>> -- other cats and dogs, including the dev environment for the above >>> >>> -- Only accounting uses a windows only solution (QuickBooks) and Linux >>> >>> accounting solutions are "Too Big" for our needs (So far :) >>> >>> All are on a Linux Variant (mostly SUSE, but fedora and others are in the mix) >>> >>> My support infrastructure runs mostly Linux, except my embedded >>> >>> systems (Polycom SIP phones, wireless access points, and other such) >>> >>> and my firewalls are M0n0Walls. >>> >>> I run a completely virtualized environment, originally on VMWare GSX >>> >>> Server, which then became Vmware Server. My PBX is on a physical box, >>> >>> as that is how it is supported, and it has access to a Wildcat PRI >>> >>> card for PSTN access. >>> >>> For special cases, I built VMWare Workstation/Player Windows images >>> >>> for my accountants, so that they could use IE and QuickBooks online, >>> >>> along with other such Windows only Cats and Dogs. >>> >>> It worked well for about 18 months, until we decided to go to laptops >>> >>> for the staff. Even with a "standard" platform, things that "always" >>> >>> work on Windows (Sound, Printing, Hibernate, On the fly multi monitor >>> >>> setups, Wireless, Sprint Wireless, etc) were too fragile on Linux, and >>> >>> my constituents were beginning to mutiny as these "fundamental" >>> >>> capabilities were continually "misbehaving" or just not functional. >>> >>> As a result, I have my laptop fleet on Windows XP managed by Webex >>> >>> System Management services, since they are often not geographically >>> >>> near me, and I have to have console access, anti virus, and very >>> >>> active patch management. My Desktops are all (except one) still Linux >>> >>> (SUSE). >>> >>> I have 2 parallel VPN setups (Hamachi and PPTP via Monowall) so that >>> >>> all my platforms have proper remote access to the File shares (I >>> >>> really want to get rid of generic file services and move to Alfresco >>> >>> or similar, but I have not yet). Since windows has "Disconnected" >>> >>> operation with shares, they just sync up via the VPN and then work off >>> >>> line when required. For my own laptop, I use Unison via SSH to keep >>> >>> the files I need in sync, as NFS has no offline capabilities. >>> >>> We use still OpenOffice.org exclusively, as well as Mozilla Firefox >>> >>> and Thunderbird (with Lightning calendaring). >>> >>> There have only been minor hiccups with OOo, always when dealing with >>> >>> MSO proprietary formats, and occasionally, MSO has an issue with >>> >>> "transcoded" ODx to MSO formats. Most complaints are (and have been) >>> >>> easily overcome with training and compelling arguments. >>> >>> My Opinion on OOo v. MSO is that most companies use flawed assumptions >>> >>> when assessing a possible move to FLOSS Office suites. The >>> >>> particularly bad one: "There must be 100% Compatibility." This has >>> >>> stopped nearly all attempts of which I am aware. Anyway, 100% of >>> >>> anything is always flawed, so a more reasonable bar must be set, say >>> >>> 90% or even 95%, which are both attainable. The remaining 5-10% can >>> >>> be overcome with a document manager(s) equipped with MSO and the ODT >>> >>> Plugin from sourceforge, along with a process for "Translation >>> >>> Requests" to be executed by said managers. For the remaining 1% that >>> >>> use "MSO Only" advanced functionality, just equip them with MSO, ODT >>> >>> plugin, and PDF production capability, so that they can still >>> >>> inter-operate and produce whatever it is that requires MSO. >>> >>> Yes, migration expends resources, but what is the long-term cost of >>> >>> having your valuable business data locked up in a binary (except the >>> >>> newer docx formats), proprietary format that has no future >>> >>> compatibility promise and is owned by one company? >>> >>> I am not willing to accept that type of data lock-in, so my policies >>> >>> REQUIRE source document storage in OASIS, and production documents in >>> >>> PDF. >>> >>> The only remaining sticking point is Visio. There is no Linux >>> >>> methodology to access those files, and I try to get users to use Kivio >>> >>> (Kivio MP if more capability or MS windows is required), but then >>> >>> collaboration is limited with external partners/parties/agencies. >>> >>> So that is the short version of my tale. Please reply with any >>> >>> comments, tips, or other feedback. I hope this has shed some light on >>> >>> Linux in business, from a real multi-million dollar business >>> >>> experience. >>> >>> Thanks for your time! >>> >>> John >>> >> John, >> >> >> >> I enjoyed reading your "tale". I'm currently working on a proposal for >> >> my Capstone project for my MS in Management of Technology at UTSA. I'm >> >> proposing a project where I'll select and implement an open source >> >> calendar solution for the division I work in. The solution will have to >> >> support Outlook as well as other email clients (I use Thunderbird with >> >> Lightning) and the calendar will have to be accessible via a web >> >> browser, too. I just finished up a section in the proposal that dealt >> >> with TOC and how, in my situation, I believe that an open source >> >> solution would have a lower TOC than MS Exchange Server. I'm currently >> >> looking at Citadel and two other solutions, but if you have any more >> >> suggestions, I would be most appreciative. I did look at a simple WebDAV >> >> solution, but I don't think that solution is robust enough (reminders, >> >> repeating events, etc.), and I'd like to find a solution that will work >> >> with Outlook without too much work. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Kase >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at last. Get it now. >> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033-- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From dacrummie at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 10:19:27 2007 From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:19:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs Message-ID: It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement Linux distro, with matching hardware: http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html -- Dale Crummie The box said: "Requires Windows 95 or better." So I installed LINUX From leon36 at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 10:46:47 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:46:51 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4729F4E7.8050305@datanet.ath.cx> Dale Crummie wrote: > It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement Linux distro, with > matching hardware: > > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html > Yea I remember those Lindows pcs that they were selling a few years back. I hope with these they atleast advertise what linux is and *why you need it*. Sam From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Nov 1 11:07:26 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:10:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: <4729F4E7.8050305@datanet.ath.cx> References: <4729F4E7.8050305@datanet.ath.cx> Message-ID: <4729F9BE.3080502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Samuel Leon wrote: > Dale Crummie wrote: >> It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement Linux distro, >> with >> matching hardware: >> >> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html >> > > Yea I remember those Lindows pcs that they were selling a few years > back. I hope with these they atleast advertise what linux is and *why > you need it*. They apparently have more troubles than that with the Distro... I tried to take Verio for a 'test drive' and the mail I got was a 'bounced' message... ~~~~~~~~~ This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: bcox@verio.net (ultimately generated from trainings@viaverio.com) cannot deliver to bcox@verio.net charris@verio.net (ultimately generated from trainings@viaverio.com) cannot deliver to charris@verio.net From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Nov 1 11:08:20 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:10:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: <4729F4E7.8050305@datanet.ath.cx> References: <4729F4E7.8050305@datanet.ath.cx> Message-ID: <4729F9F4.7000407@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Samuel Leon wrote: > Dale Crummie wrote: >> It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement Linux distro, >> with >> matching hardware: >> >> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html >> > > Yea I remember those Lindows pcs that they were selling a few years > back. I hope with these they atleast advertise what linux is and *why > you need it*. They apparently have more troubles than that with the Distro... I tried to take Verio for a 'test drive' and the mail I got was a 'bounced' message... ~~~~~~~~~ This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: bcox@verio.net (ultimately generated from trainings@viaverio.com) cannot deliver to bcox@verio.net charris@verio.net (ultimately generated from trainings@viaverio.com) cannot deliver to charris@verio.net From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Nov 1 11:33:12 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:36:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: <4729F9F4.7000407@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4729F4E7.8050305@datanet.ath.cx> <4729F9F4.7000407@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4729FFC8.3030007@w5omr.shacknet.nu> I get told several times by smtp-server.satx.rr.com that mail failed to be sent, and then I see it -twice- on some list like this or others I belong to. Whassup with TW's smtp mailserver? From astro at astr0.org Thu Nov 1 11:42:44 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:45:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: <4729FFC8.3030007@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4729F4E7.8050305@datanet.ath.cx> <4729F9F4.7000407@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4729FFC8.3030007@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: It's doing it to me too. On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Geoff wrote: > I get told several times by smtp-server.satx.rr.com that mail failed to be > sent, and then I see it -twice- on some list like this or others I belong to. > > Whassup with TW's smtp mailserver? > > > From tuupes80 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 1 13:20:35 2007 From: tuupes80 at hotmail.com (Stewart Smith) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:20:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does SAM's Club count too? I've had my Sams Club Linux box for several years now. It was built by "CPU Builders" in Wichita Kansas and had their splash screen, except when you make a mistake booting it and it reverts to Red Hat. Currently it has a version of Mandrake/Mandriva on it. Stewart Smith> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:19:27 -0500> From: dacrummie@gmail.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs> > It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement Linux distro, with> matching hardware:> > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html> > -- > Dale Crummie> The box said:> "Requires Windows 95 or better."> So I installed LINUX> -- > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From astro at astr0.org Thu Nov 1 18:12:09 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Thu Nov 1 18:12:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As soon as I read this, I felt the world starting to end :P On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Stewart Smith wrote: > > Does SAM's Club count too? I've had my Sams Club Linux box for several years now. It was built by "CPU Builders" in Wichita Kansas and had their splash screen, except when you make a mistake booting it and it reverts to Red Hat. Currently it has a version of Mandrake/Mandriva on it. > > Stewart Smith> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:19:27 -0500> From: dacrummie@gmail.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs> > It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement Linux distro, with> matching hardware:> > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html> > -- > Dale Crummie> The box said:> "Requires Windows 95 or better."> So I installed LINUX> -- > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > _________________________________________________________________ > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From hector.bojorquez at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 19:18:35 2007 From: hector.bojorquez at gmail.com (Hector Bojorquez) Date: Thu Nov 1 19:18:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> I don't buy from Wal-Mart.....they fund way too many right wing causes for my taste. On 11/1/07, Brian Lewis wrote: > > As soon as I read this, I felt the world starting to end :P > > > On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Stewart Smith wrote: > > > > > Does SAM's Club count too? I've had my Sams Club Linux box for several > years now. It was built by "CPU Builders" in Wichita Kansas and had their > splash screen, except when you make a mistake booting it and it reverts to > Red Hat. Currently it has a version of Mandrake/Mandriva on it. > > > > Stewart Smith> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:19:27 -0500> From: > dacrummie@gmail.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart > Selling Linux PCs> > It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement > Linux distro, with> matching hardware:> > > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html> > -- > Dale Crummie> The > box said:> "Requires Windows 95 or better."> So I installed LINUX> -- > > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> > SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! > > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us-- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > Brian Lewis > Sent using PINE 4.64 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 20:42:44 2007 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Nov 1 20:42:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both evil....It's all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the Constitution! On 11/1/07, Hector Bojorquez wrote: > > I don't buy from Wal-Mart.....they fund way too many right wing causes for > my taste. > > > On 11/1/07, Brian Lewis wrote: > > > > As soon as I read this, I felt the world starting to end :P > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Stewart Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > Does SAM's Club count too? I've had my Sams Club Linux box for > several > > years now. It was built by "CPU Builders" in Wichita Kansas and had > their > > splash screen, except when you make a mistake booting it and it reverts > to > > Red Hat. Currently it has a version of Mandrake/Mandriva on it. > > > > > > Stewart Smith> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:19:27 -0500> From: > > dacrummie@gmail.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart > > Selling Linux PCs> > It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain > basement > > Linux distro, with> matching hardware:> > > > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html> > -- > Dale Crummie> The > > box said:> "Requires Windows 95 or better."> So I installed LINUX> -- > > > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> > > SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! > > > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us-- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Lewis > > Sent using PINE 4.64 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From astro at astr0.org Thu Nov 1 20:52:38 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Thu Nov 1 20:52:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I foresee a President Clinton and a Vice President Obama in 2008. On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both evil....It's > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the Constitution! > > On 11/1/07, Hector Bojorquez wrote: >> >> I don't buy from Wal-Mart.....they fund way too many right wing causes for >> my taste. >> >> >> On 11/1/07, Brian Lewis wrote: >>> >>> As soon as I read this, I felt the world starting to end :P >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Stewart Smith wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Does SAM's Club count too? I've had my Sams Club Linux box for >> several >>> years now. It was built by "CPU Builders" in Wichita Kansas and had >> their >>> splash screen, except when you make a mistake booting it and it reverts >> to >>> Red Hat. Currently it has a version of Mandrake/Mandriva on it. >>>> >>>> Stewart Smith> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:19:27 -0500> From: >>> dacrummie@gmail.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart >>> Selling Linux PCs> > It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain >> basement >>> Linux distro, with> matching hardware:> > >>> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html> > -- > Dale Crummie> The >>> box said:> "Requires Windows 95 or better."> So I installed LINUX> -- > >>> _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> >>> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>> unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! >>>> http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us-- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Lewis >>> Sent using PINE 4.64 >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Nov 1 21:00:02 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:03:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <472A84A2.7090101@futuretechsolutions.com> Sad, it's no longer about which side you feel will be the most beneficial, but rather which side will be the least detrimental. Ernest De Leon wrote: > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both evil....It's > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the Constitution! > > On 11/1/07, Hector Bojorquez wrote: >> I don't buy from Wal-Mart.....they fund way too many right wing causes for >> my taste. >> >> >> On 11/1/07, Brian Lewis wrote: >>> As soon as I read this, I felt the world starting to end :P >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Stewart Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Does SAM's Club count too? I've had my Sams Club Linux box for >> several >>> years now. It was built by "CPU Builders" in Wichita Kansas and had >> their >>> splash screen, except when you make a mistake booting it and it reverts >> to >>> Red Hat. Currently it has a version of Mandrake/Mandriva on it. >>>> Stewart Smith> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:19:27 -0500> From: >>> dacrummie@gmail.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart >>> Selling Linux PCs> > It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain >> basement >>> Linux distro, with> matching hardware:> > >>> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html> > -- > Dale Crummie> The >>> box said:> "Requires Windows 95 or better."> So I installed LINUX> -- > >>> _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> >>> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>> unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! >>>> http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us-- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>> -- >>> Brian Lewis >>> Sent using PINE 4.64 >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 21:50:47 2007 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:50:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Slashdot Party Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:33:29 -0500 > From: Samuel Leon > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] /. Party > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <4729E3B9.7080002@datanet.ath.cx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Brian Lewis wrote: > > For anyone who had asked for my contact info from the /. party, here it is: > > > > astro@astr0.org > > AIM/YIM: astro122581 > > > > We can start doing this as a monthly type of thing. We just need to > > organize it. If any of you get on IRC anywhere, let me know and i'll > > fire up the 'ol BX :) > > > > Anyway, Thanks for coming out and as soon as I get the package from /. > > I'll post for discussion on where/how to get it. > > > > Thanks! > > Brian Lewis > > Yea I wish I could have went. I got hung up with some work at the last > minute. > > Sam > I enjoyed the Slashdot party, of course pizza makes everything better. After the guys were re-assured that it was OK for me to be out of the nursing home, they were more relaxed. Perhaps even amazed that I was able to get my wife to come along (well there was dinner in the deal for her). Thanks for setting this up, Brian. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 21:56:46 2007 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:56:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Seagate makes amends for shorting customers Message-ID: This seems kinda weird, but lawyers can do anything. Check out the story about rebates to customers: http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/2282027/8699931/85809/2/ Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From mkr777 at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 21:57:10 2007 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (M K Ramadoss) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:57:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Acer Laptop Sale - Walmart - $348 Message-ID: Walmart is selling Acer Laptops with 1GB memory for $348 at 8.00am tomorrow, Friday Nov 2. The only info available is an announcement of the sale in the Walmart Website. mkr From astro at astr0.org Thu Nov 1 21:59:03 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Thu Nov 1 22:02:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Slashdot Party In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Haha thanks howard :P It was nice to meet you.. even if you ARE an iPhone hater :P My next "project" is to continue the job search. Anyone wanna take the time to review my dandy little resume and give me some feedback. Thanks! -Brian On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Howard Haradon wrote: >> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:33:29 -0500 >> From: Samuel Leon >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] /. Party >> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >> >> Message-ID: <4729E3B9.7080002@datanet.ath.cx> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Brian Lewis wrote: >>> For anyone who had asked for my contact info from the /. party, here it is: >>> >>> astro@astr0.org >>> AIM/YIM: astro122581 >>> >>> We can start doing this as a monthly type of thing. We just need to >>> organize it. If any of you get on IRC anywhere, let me know and i'll >>> fire up the 'ol BX :) >>> >>> Anyway, Thanks for coming out and as soon as I get the package from /. >>> I'll post for discussion on where/how to get it. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Brian Lewis >> >> Yea I wish I could have went. I got hung up with some work at the last >> minute. >> >> Sam >> > > I enjoyed the Slashdot party, of course pizza makes everything > better. After the guys were re-assured that it was OK for me to > be out of the nursing home, they were more relaxed. Perhaps > even amazed that I was able to get my wife to come along (well > there was dinner in the deal for her). > > Thanks for setting this up, Brian. > > Howard > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 22:29:39 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Nov 1 22:29:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Seagate makes amends for shorting customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472A99A3.2080400@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > This seems kinda weird, but lawyers can do anything. > Check out the story about rebates to customers: > > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/2282027/8699931/85809/2/ Let's see. You can get 5% back on all Seagate drives you purchases separately IF you have the receipt. How many keep those receipts? How many bought "from an authorized Seagate retailer or distributor, separately as a Seagate product that was not preinstalled into and bundled with a PC or any other type of electronic device." The prices of drives runs about $100 plus or minus $50. Is it worth it for $5 or even $7.50? The effort is more than the return. The only ones that win here are the lawyers. -- Bruce From leon36 at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 23:08:18 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Nov 1 23:08:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Seagate makes amends for shorting customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472AA2B2.2070902@datanet.ath.cx> Howard Haradon wrote: > This seems kinda weird, but lawyers can do anything. > Check out the story about rebates to customers: > > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/2282027/8699931/85809/2/ > > Howard I don't get it. Aren't all hard drives like that though? Why is just seagate doing this? Sam From tuupes80 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 1 23:15:51 2007 From: tuupes80 at hotmail.com (Stewart Smith) Date: Thu Nov 1 23:15:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You neglected to point out that Wal-Mart is an insturment of Chinese foreign policy.> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:18:35 -0500> From: hector.bojorquez@gmail.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs> > I don't buy from Wal-Mart.....they fund way too many right wing causes for> my taste.> > > On 11/1/07, Brian Lewis wrote:> >> > As soon as I read this, I felt the world starting to end :P> >> >> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Stewart Smith wrote:> >> > >> > > Does SAM's Club count too? I've had my Sams Club Linux box for several> > years now. It was built by "CPU Builders" in Wichita Kansas and had their> > splash screen, except when you make a mistake booting it and it reverts to> > Red Hat. Currently it has a version of Mandrake/Mandriva on it.> > >> > > Stewart Smith> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:19:27 -0500> From:> > dacrummie@gmail.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart> > Selling Linux PCs> > It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement> > Linux distro, with> matching hardware:> >> > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html> > -- > Dale Crummie> The> > box said:> "Requires Windows 95 or better."> So I installed LINUX> -- >> > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list>> > SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to> > unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)> > > _________________________________________________________________> > > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You!> > > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us--> > > _______________________________________________> > > SATLUG mailing list> > > SATLUG@satlug.org> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)> > >> >> > --> > Brian Lewis> > Sent using PINE 4.64> > --> > _______________________________________________> > SATLUG mailing list> > SATLUG@satlug.org> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)> >> -- > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 23:30:30 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Nov 1 23:30:32 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <472AA7E6.3050901@gmail.com> Stewart Smith wrote: I don't know what you wrote. It was illegible. Use a proper client. The message came form hotmail. I don't know if that was a factor or not. In any case, make sure you turn off html. -- Bruce From astro at astr0.org Thu Nov 1 23:36:22 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Thu Nov 1 23:36:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: <472AA7E6.3050901@gmail.com> References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472AA7E6.3050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yea, please, please use PINE :) On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Stewart Smith wrote: > > I don't know what you wrote. It was illegible. Use a proper client. > > The message came form hotmail. I don't know if that was a factor or > not. In any case, make sure you turn off html. > > -- Bruce > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From victor.trevino at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 23:38:09 2007 From: victor.trevino at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Thu Nov 1 23:38:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Seagate makes amends for shorting customers In-Reply-To: <472AA2B2.2070902@datanet.ath.cx> References: <472AA2B2.2070902@datanet.ath.cx> Message-ID: Scapegoat. I don't know of any HDD manufacturer that DOESN'T use the gigabyte = 1,000,000,000 bytes definition. On Nov 1, 2007 11:08 PM, Samuel Leon wrote: > Howard Haradon wrote: > > This seems kinda weird, but lawyers can do anything. > > Check out the story about rebates to customers: > > > > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/2282027/8699931/85809/2/ > > > > Howard > > > I don't get it. Aren't all hard drives like that though? Why is just > seagate doing this? > > Sam > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Nov 2 01:16:52 2007 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Fri Nov 2 01:17:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Not Ready for the Desktop In-Reply-To: <47274221.9060602@gmail.com> References: <49215.208.97.132.182.1193078021.squirrel@mail.astr0.org> <200710300052.36824.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47274221.9060602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200711020116.52856.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 30 October 2007 09:39:29 pixelnate wrote: > Tom Weeks wrote: > > My brother's a red neck musician who thinks he knows about computers (the > > worst of all). I've managed him to try to use Linux now about once/year > > for the past four years. He's now at a point (or I should say that most > > Distros are now at a point) where he can install it, it works, and the > > GUI is uniform and intuitive enough that he can jump in and use it. And > > apps like Audacity and Open Office he absolutely loves.. He's told me > > since switching over, "I'm was just fed up with Windows Crashing every > > time I have some critical composition or sound file loaded up... and > > after seeing the new Fedora, Audacity, and what Open Office can do for > > free.. I'm like..whoa! I love it! I'm never going back to Windows now!" > > You should show him Ubuntu Studio. It is perfect for musicians. RT > kernel, all the audio apps you could shake a stick at. > > ubuntustudio.org Thanx for the pointer Nate.. :) Tweeks From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 08:02:25 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:02:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <819320.1795.qm@web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't see any Linux computer available online. http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&search_query=linux&Continue.x=0&Continue.y=0&Continue=Find&ic=24_0 Dale Crummie wrote: It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement Linux distro, with matching hardware: http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html -- Dale Crummie The box said: "Requires Windows 95 or better." So I installed LINUX -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wera662001 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 08:29:15 2007 From: wera662001 at yahoo.com (M.Villesca) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:29:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Acer Laptop Sale - Walmart - $348 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <276169.75185.qm@web53510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> found this: notebooks.com PS. I love my Acer Aspire M K Ramadoss wrote: Walmart is selling Acer Laptops with 1GB memory for $348 at 8.00am tomorrow, Friday Nov 2. The only info available is an announcement of the sale in the Walmart Website. mkr -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wera662001 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 08:31:22 2007 From: wera662001 at yahoo.com (M.Villesca) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:31:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Acer Laptop Sale - Walmart - $348 In-Reply-To: <276169.75185.qm@web53510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <949873.35367.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ugghh..sorry still sleepy.. http://www.notebooks.com/2007/10/31/wal-mart-to-sell-acer-laptop-for-348-this-friday/ "M.Villesca" wrote: found this: notebooks.com PS. I love my Acer Aspire __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:02:19 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:02:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Yum considered harmful for compiling your own software? Message-ID: <277020fc0711020702u66bd6324we77d34c0457f0152@mail.gmail.com> Why can't yum figure out that I want kernel-headers and kernel-devel for my *currently running* kernel, and not the latest kernel? [root@vmhost3 ~]# rpm -q kernel kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 [root@vmhost3 ~]# rpm -q kernel-headers kernel-headers-2.6.18-8.1.15.el5 [root@vmhost3 ~]# rpm -q kernel-devel kernel-devel-2.6.18-8.1.15.el5 This is one of the most frustrating aspects of YUM, IMHO. We have a very good reason for wanting to stick with the 2.6.18-8 kernel, yet yum likes to download the latest version of kernel-headers and kernel-devel, which are completely useless to me. Is there some way to force yum to behave and actually install the supporting files for my current kernel??? From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:11:21 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:11:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Yum considered harmful for compiling your own software? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0711020702u66bd6324we77d34c0457f0152@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0711020702u66bd6324we77d34c0457f0152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0711020711h4ada20a0h8ff5124bf6e2c548@mail.gmail.com> Sean, I haven't used YUM in awhile, but I would think you could edit the yum config files and remove the lines dealing with updates, security and whatever else EL5 adds and leave base or os, I can't remember which. This should only pull down the stock or 'base' system files. On 11/2/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > Why can't yum figure out that I want kernel-headers and kernel-devel > for my *currently running* kernel, and not the latest kernel? > > [root@vmhost3 ~]# rpm -q kernel > kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 > > [root@vmhost3 ~]# rpm -q kernel-headers > kernel-headers-2.6.18-8.1.15.el5 > > [root@vmhost3 ~]# rpm -q kernel-devel > kernel-devel-2.6.18-8.1.15.el5 > > This is one of the most frustrating aspects of YUM, IMHO. We have a > very good reason for wanting to stick with the 2.6.18-8 kernel, yet > yum likes to download the latest version of kernel-headers and > kernel-devel, which are completely useless to me. Is there some way > to force yum to behave and actually install the supporting files for > my current kernel??? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From scarolan at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:14:17 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:14:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Yum considered harmful for compiling your own software? In-Reply-To: <277020fc0711020702u66bd6324we77d34c0457f0152@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0711020702u66bd6324we77d34c0457f0152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277020fc0711020714k3b24d741v4362da1118f5228a@mail.gmail.com> > This is one of the most frustrating aspects of YUM, IMHO. We have a > very good reason for wanting to stick with the 2.6.18-8 kernel, yet > yum likes to download the latest version of kernel-headers and > kernel-devel, which are completely useless to me. Is there some way > to force yum to behave and actually install the supporting files for > my current kernel??? I fixed this by disabling the "updates" repo in my yum.conf. The package manager should at least be able to figure out that "yum install kernel-headers" means to get the header files for my currently running kernel, not the one I don't even have installed! Apt handles this much better than yum, IMHO. From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:24:24 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:24:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> Ernest De Leon wrote: > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both evil....It's > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the Constitution! You hit it right on the money (so to speak), Ernest. The right-left paradigm is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to get us to believe that there are only two solutions, this way or that way. The reality is that both sides are funded by the same money, that is why nothing ever changes and nothing good ever comes out of Washington. While I don't have a solution for all the World's problems, I can tell you that if you follow the money trail you will find out who is creating them. Get rid of them and you will be three steps closer to solving the World's problems. As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that explicitly states that the people of this country have to pay taxes on their labor. Look it up, it doesn't exist. The federal government uses their SWAT, FBI, Police thugs to enforce a law that never existed. While you're searching for the law, also check out the fact that the Federal Reserve Bank isn't owned by the federal government either. If you look in the phone book it doesn't appear in the government pages because it is privately owned by European banking interests. Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this Republic. If Hilary "wins" the election we are in a world of hurt. The North American Union will surely be properly instituted, the Amero will be our currency, we will be at war with Iran, and they might even start throwing people into the regional Fema concentration camps that have been set up around the country (look it up if you don't believe me). Things will indeed be dire if this current dynasty is allowed to continue. This may be our last chance at a relatively free election. If we don't put Ron Paul in office we have no hope of holding on to these United States of America. ~Nate -- ================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | | Ron Paul for President! | ================================== From astro at astr0.org Fri Nov 2 09:29:50 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:29:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nate: Could you please cite some *RELIABLE* sources to back your agreement up. On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > Ernest De Leon wrote: >> Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both >> evil....It's >> all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the Constitution! > > You hit it right on the money (so to speak), Ernest. The right-left paradigm > is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to get us to believe that there are only > two solutions, this way or that way. The reality is that both sides are > funded by the same money, that is why nothing ever changes and nothing good > ever comes out of Washington. While I don't have a solution for all the > World's problems, I can tell you that if you follow the money trail you will > find out who is creating them. Get rid of them and you will be three steps > closer to solving the World's problems. > > As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that explicitly states that the > people of this country have to pay taxes on their labor. Look it up, it > doesn't exist. The federal government uses their SWAT, FBI, Police thugs to > enforce a law that never existed. While you're searching for the law, also > check out the fact that the Federal Reserve Bank isn't owned by the federal > government either. If you look in the phone book it doesn't appear in the > government pages because it is privately owned by European banking interests. > > Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this Republic. If Hilary "wins" the > election we are in a world of hurt. The North American Union will surely be > properly instituted, the Amero will be our currency, we will be at war with > Iran, and they might even start throwing people into the regional Fema > concentration camps that have been set up around the country (look it up if > you don't believe me). Things will indeed be dire if this current dynasty is > allowed to continue. This may be our last chance at a relatively free > election. If we don't put Ron Paul in office we have no hope of holding on to > these United States of America. > > > ~ Nate > > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From astro at astr0.org Fri Nov 2 09:33:23 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:33:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> Message-ID: And wikipedia does not count, BTW. On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Brian Lewis wrote: > Nate: > > Could you please cite some *RELIABLE* sources to back your agreement up. > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > >> Ernest De Leon wrote: >> > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both >> > evil....It's >> > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the Constitution! >> >> You hit it right on the money (so to speak), Ernest. The right-left >> paradigm is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to get us to believe that >> there are only two solutions, this way or that way. The reality is that >> both sides are funded by the same money, that is why nothing ever changes >> and nothing good ever comes out of Washington. While I don't have a >> solution for all the World's problems, I can tell you that if you follow >> the money trail you will find out who is creating them. Get rid of them >> and you will be three steps closer to solving the World's problems. >> >> As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that explicitly states that the >> people of this country have to pay taxes on their labor. Look it up, it >> doesn't exist. The federal government uses their SWAT, FBI, Police thugs >> to enforce a law that never existed. While you're searching for the law, >> also check out the fact that the Federal Reserve Bank isn't owned by the >> federal government either. If you look in the phone book it doesn't appear >> in the government pages because it is privately owned by European banking >> interests. >> >> Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this Republic. If Hilary "wins" >> the election we are in a world of hurt. The North American Union will >> surely be properly instituted, the Amero will be our currency, we will be >> at war with Iran, and they might even start throwing people into the >> regional Fema concentration camps that have been set up around the country >> (look it up if you don't believe me). Things will indeed be dire if this >> current dynasty is allowed to continue. This may be our last chance at a >> relatively free election. If we don't put Ron Paul in office we have no >> hope of holding on to these United States of America. >> >> >> ~ Nate >> >> > > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 09:44:18 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:44:19 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <457662.38917.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> FEMA concentration camps are a-ok in my book. They use Scientific Linux as their primary OS and keep track of all prisoners on a mysql database accessible via a PHP interface. Open source, baby!! Thats where its at!! -Alex --- Brian Lewis wrote: > And wikipedia does not count, BTW. > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Brian Lewis wrote: > > > Nate: > > > > Could you please cite some *RELIABLE* sources to > back your agreement up. > > > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > > > >> Ernest De Leon wrote: > >> > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is > that they're both > >> > evil....It's > >> > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and > long live the Constitution! > >> > >> You hit it right on the money (so to speak), > Ernest. The right-left > >> paradigm is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to > get us to believe that > >> there are only two solutions, this way or that > way. The reality is that > >> both sides are funded by the same money, that is > why nothing ever changes > >> and nothing good ever comes out of Washington. > While I don't have a > >> solution for all the World's problems, I can > tell you that if you follow > >> the money trail you will find out who is > creating them. Get rid of them > >> and you will be three steps closer to solving > the World's problems. > >> > >> As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that > explicitly states that the > >> people of this country have to pay taxes on > their labor. Look it up, it > >> doesn't exist. The federal government uses their > SWAT, FBI, Police thugs > >> to enforce a law that never existed. While > you're searching for the law, > >> also check out the fact that the Federal Reserve > Bank isn't owned by the > >> federal government either. If you look in the > phone book it doesn't appear > >> in the government pages because it is privately > owned by European banking > >> interests. > >> > >> Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this > Republic. If Hilary "wins" > >> the election we are in a world of hurt. The > North American Union will > >> surely be properly instituted, the Amero will be > our currency, we will be > >> at war with Iran, and they might even start > throwing people into the > >> regional Fema concentration camps that have been > set up around the country > >> (look it up if you don't believe me). Things > will indeed be dire if this > >> current dynasty is allowed to continue. This may > be our last chance at a > >> relatively free election. If we don't put Ron > Paul in office we have no > >> hope of holding on to these United States of > America. > >> > >> > >> ~ Nate > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > Brian Lewis > Sent using PINE 4.64 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:51:02 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:51:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> Brian Lewis wrote: > Nate: > > Could you please cite some *RELIABLE* sources to back your agreement up. > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: History of the Fed: http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm And in a very informative documentary called "Money Masters" on Google video that covers the Fed and IRS: http://tinyurl.com/28vy2t And another, by Aaron Ruso, called "America: Freedom to Fascism": http://tinyurl.com/yqohjz That is just the tip of the iceberg. ~Nate > >> Ernest De Leon wrote: >>> Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both >>> evil....It's >>> all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the Constitution! >> >> You hit it right on the money (so to speak), Ernest. The right-left >> paradigm is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to get us to believe >> that there are only two solutions, this way or that way. The reality >> is that both sides are funded by the same money, that is why nothing >> ever changes and nothing good ever comes out of Washington. While I >> don't have a solution for all the World's problems, I can tell you >> that if you follow the money trail you will find out who is creating >> them. Get rid of them and you will be three steps closer to solving >> the World's problems. >> >> As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that explicitly states that >> the people of this country have to pay taxes on their labor. Look it >> up, it doesn't exist. The federal government uses their SWAT, FBI, >> Police thugs to enforce a law that never existed. While you're >> searching for the law, also check out the fact that the Federal >> Reserve Bank isn't owned by the federal government either. If you >> look in the phone book it doesn't appear in the government pages >> because it is privately owned by European banking interests. >> >> Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this Republic. If Hilary >> "wins" the election we are in a world of hurt. The North American >> Union will surely be properly instituted, the Amero will be our >> currency, we will be at war with Iran, and they might even start >> throwing people into the regional Fema concentration camps that have >> been set up around the country (look it up if you don't believe me). >> Things will indeed be dire if this current dynasty is allowed to >> continue. This may be our last chance at a relatively free election. >> If we don't put Ron Paul in office we have no hope of holding on to >> these United States of America. >> >> >> ~ Nate >> >> > -- ================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | | Ron Paul for President! | ================================== From astro at astr0.org Fri Nov 2 10:02:39 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:02:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: I mean proof and sources cited saying Hillery will definable do the "amero", the NAU, etc. You can't just claim something fact when it's fiction. I'm keeping up with the election too, as I like to stay informed. I have no political party affiliation. In 2000 I voted for Gore, last year for TeX. Gov, I voted for Kinky! :P I'm an unbiased, equal opportunity political party hater, however, with RN Paule being a *REGISTERED REPUBLICAN*, I highly doubt that I can find it in me to (at least for this coming election), give my vote to someone who is affiliated in any way-shape-form of Bush. He has turned these great United States of America into a big joke, and when you're in the military and your whole family is scared for you on a daily basis because they don't want to lose you to the possibility of getting sent over to the sandbox to support a made up war by our suppose commander and chief, you tend to lose the faith quickly. Vote Ron Paul if you want to vote for yet another registered republican. As of this very moment, I'm voting Hillary. We're ready for a female president. If Gore were to run, he would get my vote, likewise, any other candidate that actually stands out, and doesn't play the "politics as usual" game, will take my vote away from Hillary. From what I've seen, heard, and read on Ron Paul, he is nothing more than another polition, who had a good hand in getting Regan elected, and whom is *JUST* a politician. -Brian On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > Brian Lewis wrote: >> Nate: >> >> Could you please cite some *RELIABLE* sources to back your agreement up. >> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > > History of the Fed: > http: //news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php > http: //www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm > > And in a very informative documentary called "Money Masters" on Google video > that covers the Fed and IRS: > http://tinyurl.com/28vy2t > > And another, by Aaron Ruso, called "America: Freedom to Fascism": > http://tinyurl.com/yqohjz > > That is just the tip of the iceberg. > > > ~ Nate > >> >> > Ernest De Leon wrote: >> > > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both >> > > evil....It's >> > > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the >> > > Constitution! >> > >> > You hit it right on the money (so to speak), Ernest. The right-left >> > paradigm is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to get us to believe that >> > there are only two solutions, this way or that way. The reality is that >> > both sides are funded by the same money, that is why nothing ever >> > changes and nothing good ever comes out of Washington. While I don't >> > have a solution for all the World's problems, I can tell you that if you >> > follow the money trail you will find out who is creating them. Get rid >> > of them and you will be three steps closer to solving the World's >> > problems. >> > >> > As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that explicitly states that the >> > people of this country have to pay taxes on their labor. Look it up, it >> > doesn't exist. The federal government uses their SWAT, FBI, Police thugs >> > to enforce a law that never existed. While you're searching for the law, >> > also check out the fact that the Federal Reserve Bank isn't owned by the >> > federal government either. If you look in the phone book it doesn't >> > appear in the government pages because it is privately owned by European >> > banking interests. >> > >> > Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this Republic. If Hilary "wins" >> > the election we are in a world of hurt. The North American Union will >> > surely be properly instituted, the Amero will be our currency, we will >> > be at war with Iran, and they might even start throwing people into the >> > regional Fema concentration camps that have been set up around the >> > country (look it up if you don't believe me). Things will indeed be dire >> > if this current dynasty is allowed to continue. This may be our last >> > chance at a relatively free election. If we don't put Ron Paul in office >> > we have no hope of holding on to these United States of America. >> > >> > >> > ~ Nate >> > >> > >> > > > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 10:23:51 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:24:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472B4107.5040305@gmail.com> Brian Lewis wrote: > I mean proof and sources cited saying Hillery will definable do the > "amero", the NAU, etc. You can't just claim something fact when it's > fiction. I'm keeping up with the election too, as I like to stay > informed. I have no political party affiliation. In 2000 I voted for > Gore, last year for TeX. Gov, I voted for Kinky! :P Give me a bit of time here. I am at work and have many other things to do. I will post some links on it, just be patient. In the meantime more links on the Fed and it's fractional reserve banking scheme: http://www.fdrs.org/banking_history.html http://www.basicincome.com/basic_banks.htm > > I'm an unbiased, equal opportunity political party hater, however, > with RN Paule being a *REGISTERED REPUBLICAN*, I highly doubt that I > can find it in me to (at least for this coming election), give my vote > to someone who is affiliated in any way-shape-form of Bush. He has > turned these great United States of America into a big joke, and when > you're in the military and your whole family is scared for you on a > daily basis because they don't want to lose you to the possibility of > getting sent over to the sandbox to support a made up war by our > suppose commander and chief, you tend to lose the faith quickly. Hold on there, turbo. Ron Paul is an old school Republican that believes (in the strongest sense of the word) in the Constitution, small government and in minding our own business. He bears NO affiliation with the Bushes. > > Vote Ron Paul if you want to vote for yet another registered republican. He ran in the last presidential election as a Liberaterian, and since third party candidates never win, he is running as a Republican. And FYI you cannot run as a Republican without being registered as one. Bush != True Republican && Bush.Republican != RonPaul.Republican > > As of this very moment, I'm voting Hillary. We're ready for a female > president. If Gore were to run, he would get my vote, likewise, any > other candidate that actually stands out, and doesn't play the > "politics as usual" game, will take my vote away from Hillary. From > what I've seen, heard, and read on Ron Paul, he is nothing more than > another polition, who had a good hand in getting Regan elected, and > whom is *JUST* a politician. > Can you prove the 'Reagan' comment? Also, the Bushes are supporting the Hilary for prez. Daddy Bush actually refers to Bill as his SON. A vote for Hillary is a vote to continue the dynasty that started with Reagan (who was just a puppet for G. H. W. Bush). If you want to find out who the Clintons really are look into their ties to the Arkansas diamond minig operations. The money "made" in the Iran-Contra scandals was laundered through the Arkansas diamond industry while Billy was in office. Hilary and her law firm represented some of the biggest names in the industry at the time. Much blood is on the House of Clinton. Just as an exercise, look up who the campaign contributions come from for each of the current candidates. Then look at the contributions to Bush and Clinton in the previous elections. I am sorry, my friend, but a vote for Hilary is a vote for the status quo. You won't get far from Bush when you vote for Hilary. ~Nate -- ================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | | Ron Paul for President! | ================================== From astro at astr0.org Fri Nov 2 10:28:38 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:28:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: <472B4107.5040305@gmail.com> References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> <472B4107.5040305@gmail.com> Message-ID: Let me re-dig the articles I was reading with the ron paul/regan/bush thing. What America really needs is President Gore :) On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > Brian Lewis wrote: >> I mean proof and sources cited saying Hillery will definable do the >> "amero", the NAU, etc. You can't just claim something fact when it's >> fiction. I'm keeping up with the election too, as I like to stay informed. >> I have no political party affiliation. In 2000 I voted for Gore, last year >> for TeX. Gov, I voted for Kinky! :P > Give me a bit of time here. I am at work and have many other things to do. I > will post some links on it, just be patient. In the meantime more links on > the Fed and it's fractional reserve banking scheme: > > http: //www.fdrs.org/banking_history.html > http: //www.basicincome.com/basic_banks.htm >> >> I'm an unbiased, equal opportunity political party hater, however, with RN >> Paule being a *REGISTERED REPUBLICAN*, I highly doubt that I can find it >> in me to (at least for this coming election), give my vote to someone who >> is affiliated in any way-shape-form of Bush. He has turned these great >> United States of America into a big joke, and when you're in the military >> and your whole family is scared for you on a daily basis because they >> don't want to lose you to the possibility of getting sent over to the >> sandbox to support a made up war by our suppose commander and chief, you >> tend to lose the faith quickly. > Hold on there, turbo. Ron Paul is an old school Republican that believes (in > the strongest sense of the word) in the Constitution, small government and in > minding our own business. He bears NO affiliation with the Bushes. >> >> Vote Ron Paul if you want to vote for yet another registered republican. > He ran in the last presidential election as a Liberaterian, and since third > party candidates never win, he is running as a Republican. And FYI you cannot > run as a Republican without being registered as one. > > Bush != True Republican && Bush.Republican != RonPaul.Republican >> >> As of this very moment, I'm voting Hillary. We're ready for a female >> president. If Gore were to run, he would get my vote, likewise, any other >> candidate that actually stands out, and doesn't play the "politics as >> usual" game, will take my vote away from Hillary. From what I've seen, >> heard, and read on Ron Paul, he is nothing more than another polition, who >> had a good hand in getting Regan elected, and whom is *JUST* a politician. >> > Can you prove the 'Reagan' comment? Also, the Bushes are supporting the > Hilary for prez. Daddy Bush actually refers to Bill as his SON. A vote for > Hillary is a vote to continue the dynasty that started with Reagan (who was > just a puppet for G. H. W. Bush). If you want to find out who the Clintons > really are look into their ties to the Arkansas diamond minig operations. The > money "made" in the Iran-Contra scandals was laundered through the Arkansas > diamond industry while Billy was in office. Hilary and her law firm > represented some of the biggest names in the industry at the time. Much blood > is on the House of Clinton. > > Just as an exercise, look up who the campaign contributions come from for > each of the current candidates. Then look at the contributions to Bush and > Clinton in the previous elections. I am sorry, my friend, but a vote for > Hilary is a vote for the status quo. You won't get far from Bush when you > vote for Hilary. > > > ~ Nate > > > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 10:41:47 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:41:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> <472B4107.5040305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472B453B.3040608@gmail.com> Brian Lewis wrote: > Let me re-dig the articles I was reading with the ron paul/regan/bush > thing. > > What America really needs is President Gore :) > There is nothing that can be said that would sway me in that direction. Most of what was in his documentary was erroneous information passed off as facts. CO2 is not a problem in any way shape or form. Bottom line, if people are worried about CO2, plant more trees. Problem solved. ~Nate -- ================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | | Ron Paul for President! | ================================== From astro at astr0.org Fri Nov 2 10:44:51 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:45:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: <472B453B.3040608@gmail.com> References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> <472B4107.5040305@gmail.com> <472B453B.3040608@gmail.com> Message-ID: Or Drive a hybrid car :P Ever see that southpark with al gore on it trying to hunt manbearbig? LOL! On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > Brian Lewis wrote: >> Let me re-dig the articles I was reading with the ron paul/regan/bush >> thing. >> >> What America really needs is President Gore :) >> > There is nothing that can be said that would sway me in that direction. Most > of what was in his documentary was erroneous information passed off as facts. > CO2 is not a problem in any way shape or form. Bottom line, if people are > worried about CO2, plant more trees. Problem solved. > > > ~ Nate > > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From gabriel.doss at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 11:07:25 2007 From: gabriel.doss at gmail.com (Gabriel Doss) Date: Fri Nov 2 11:07:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Walmart Selling Linux PCs In-Reply-To: <819320.1795.qm@web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <819320.1795.qm@web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <472B4B3D.9000309@gmail.com> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614 It doesn't say anything in the description about it being Linux. The OS just says gOS. Too bad. It almost seems like they are trying to hide the fact that it is Linux. On the gOS page the only time I see the word "Linux" is in a link to their forums. They too seem to not relish being linked to the word Linux. http://www.cafelinux.org/gosforum/ Interesting. Chris Lemire wrote: > I don't see any Linux computer available online. > > http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&search_query=linux&Continue.x=0&Continue.y=0&Continue=Find&ic=24_0 > > Dale Crummie wrote: It figures, only Walmart could find a bargain basement Linux distro, with > matching hardware: > > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60101.html > > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 11:29:12 2007 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Nov 2 11:29:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> <472B4107.5040305@gmail.com> <472B453B.3040608@gmail.com> Message-ID: I drive a hybrid and I don't drive it for environmental reasons at all. I drive it because it had the most tech gadgets crammed into it of any other semi-luxury car. I also drive it because I now can drive twice as long without refueling. My only regret is that I didn't wait a few months more and get the Lexus version instead of the Camry. And about Ron Paul...please understand that what Bush and Co. deem as republican is not republican at all. Ron Paul is a *REAL* republican. I invite everyone to search for "republican government" to get a better understanding of what a republican really is. Then you might realize that for Bush and Co. to call themselves republicans is the most contorted skewed and down right criminal thing I have ever heard. Remember that Abraham Lincoln, who abolished slavery, was the first republican president. On a scale with Lincoln and Hitler on opposing ends, I would not put bush on the Lincoln half to say the least. E On 11/2/07, Brian Lewis wrote: > > Or Drive a hybrid car :P > > Ever see that southpark with al gore on it trying to hunt manbearbig? > > LOL! > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > > > Brian Lewis wrote: > >> Let me re-dig the articles I was reading with the ron paul/regan/bush > >> thing. > >> > >> What America really needs is President Gore :) > >> > > There is nothing that can be said that would sway me in that direction. > Most > > of what was in his documentary was erroneous information passed off as > facts. > > CO2 is not a problem in any way shape or form. Bottom line, if people > are > > worried about CO2, plant more trees. Problem solved. > > > > > > ~ Nate > > > > > > -- > Brian Lewis > Sent using PINE 4.64 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 11:33:39 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Fri Nov 2 11:33:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <516485.24345.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ernest, I respect everbodys point of view and somehow share yours, but for environmental purposes, lets keep politics and religion outside the list, the emails get replicated and stored for a long time, wasting valuable resources and make little or no difference. thanks, Enrique. --- Ernest De Leon wrote: > I drive a hybrid and I don't drive it for > environmental reasons at all. I > drive it because it had the most tech gadgets > crammed into it of any other > semi-luxury car. I also drive it because I now can > drive twice as long > without refueling. My only regret is that I didn't > wait a few months more > and get the Lexus version instead of the Camry. > > And about Ron Paul...please understand that what > Bush and Co. deem as > republican is not republican at all. Ron Paul is a > *REAL* republican. I > invite everyone to search for "republican > government" to get a better > understanding of what a republican really is. Then > you might realize that > for Bush and Co. to call themselves republicans is > the most contorted skewed > and down right criminal thing I have ever heard. > Remember that Abraham > Lincoln, who abolished slavery, was the first > republican president. On a > scale with Lincoln and Hitler on opposing ends, I > would not put bush on the > Lincoln half to say the least. > > E > > On 11/2/07, Brian Lewis wrote: > > > > Or Drive a hybrid car :P > > > > Ever see that southpark with al gore on it trying > to hunt manbearbig? > > > > LOL! > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > > > > > Brian Lewis wrote: > > >> Let me re-dig the articles I was reading with > the ron paul/regan/bush > > >> thing. > > >> > > >> What America really needs is President Gore :) > > >> > > > There is nothing that can be said that would > sway me in that direction. > > Most > > > of what was in his documentary was erroneous > information passed off as > > facts. > > > CO2 is not a problem in any way shape or form. > Bottom line, if people > > are > > > worried about CO2, plant more trees. Problem > solved. > > > > > > > > > ~ Nate > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Lewis > > Sent using PINE 4.64 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 11:41:25 2007 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Nov 2 11:41:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: <516485.24345.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <516485.24345.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Enrique, That's perfectly fine, and I agree with you to an extent, but remember that I wasn't the one who diverted to the political side of the Walmart issue. I think you should look further back in the thread to see where it started. In addition, your comment should be addressed to everyone who participated in this thread after it was diverted, not one individual. Ernest On 11/2/07, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > Ernest, > > I respect everbodys point of view and somehow share > yours, but for environmental purposes, lets keep > politics and religion outside the list, the emails get > replicated and stored for a long time, wasting > valuable resources and make little or no difference. > > thanks, > Enrique. > > > --- Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > I drive a hybrid and I don't drive it for > > environmental reasons at all. I > > drive it because it had the most tech gadgets > > crammed into it of any other > > semi-luxury car. I also drive it because I now can > > drive twice as long > > without refueling. My only regret is that I didn't > > wait a few months more > > and get the Lexus version instead of the Camry. > > > > And about Ron Paul...please understand that what > > Bush and Co. deem as > > republican is not republican at all. Ron Paul is a > > *REAL* republican. I > > invite everyone to search for "republican > > government" to get a better > > understanding of what a republican really is. Then > > you might realize that > > for Bush and Co. to call themselves republicans is > > the most contorted skewed > > and down right criminal thing I have ever heard. > > Remember that Abraham > > Lincoln, who abolished slavery, was the first > > republican president. On a > > scale with Lincoln and Hitler on opposing ends, I > > would not put bush on the > > Lincoln half to say the least. > > > > E > > > > On 11/2/07, Brian Lewis wrote: > > > > > > Or Drive a hybrid car :P > > > > > > Ever see that southpark with al gore on it trying > > to hunt manbearbig? > > > > > > LOL! > > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > > > > > > > Brian Lewis wrote: > > > >> Let me re-dig the articles I was reading with > > the ron paul/regan/bush > > > >> thing. > > > >> > > > >> What America really needs is President Gore :) > > > >> > > > > There is nothing that can be said that would > > sway me in that direction. > > > Most > > > > of what was in his documentary was erroneous > > information passed off as > > > facts. > > > > CO2 is not a problem in any way shape or form. > > Bottom line, if people > > > are > > > > worried about CO2, plant more trees. Problem > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Nate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Brian Lewis > > > Sent using PINE 4.64 > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -------------------------------------- > "What you have been obliged to discover > by yourself leaves a path in your mind > which you can use again when the need > arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg > > http://themathcircle.org/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From vern.davis at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 11:53:52 2007 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Fri Nov 2 11:53:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> <472B4107.5040305@gmail.com> <472B453B.3040608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ef09f10711020953m4ac69e41v56c706c632e23db2@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/07, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > And about Ron Paul...please understand that what Bush and Co. deem as > republican is not republican at all. Ron Paul is a *REAL* republican. I > invite everyone to search for "republican government" to get a better > understanding of what a republican really is. Then you might realize that > for Bush and Co. to call themselves republicans is the most contorted skewed > and down right criminal thing I have ever heard. Remember that Abraham > Lincoln, who abolished slavery, was the first republican president. On a > scale with Lincoln and Hitler on opposing ends, I would not put bush on the > Lincoln half to say the least. > > E > Godwin's Law in action!!! -- vern.davis@gmail.com From hector.bojorquez at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 12:48:24 2007 From: hector.bojorquez at gmail.com (Hector Bojorquez) Date: Fri Nov 2 12:48:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <516485.24345.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2470980d0711021048u943325crd18fced18aa7854b@mail.gmail.com> It was me... I said that Wal-Mart don't get my money cause of their right-wing support. I don't think we can ALWAYS keep politics out. And just for fun... I , for one, DO credit Al Gore with helping to "create the initiatives" that led the Internet as we know it. As Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn (inventors of TCP/IP) said "As the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time. Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective. As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial concept" Had it been left up to Republicans who don't like funding research that they don't see IMMEDIATE or MILITARY benefits... well.. many of us wouldn't have Information technology jobs. So yeah... Sometimes it is just FINE to talk about politics. On 11/2/07, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > Enrique, > > That's perfectly fine, and I agree with you to an extent, but remember > that > I wasn't the one who diverted to the political side of the Walmart > issue. I > think you should look further back in the thread to see where it started. > In addition, your comment should be addressed to everyone who participated > in this thread after it was diverted, not one individual. > > Ernest > > On 11/2/07, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > > > Ernest, > > > > I respect everbodys point of view and somehow share > > yours, but for environmental purposes, lets keep > > politics and religion outside the list, the emails get > > replicated and stored for a long time, wasting > > valuable resources and make little or no difference. > > > > thanks, > > Enrique. > > > > > > --- Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > > > I drive a hybrid and I don't drive it for > > > environmental reasons at all. I > > > drive it because it had the most tech gadgets > > > crammed into it of any other > > > semi-luxury car. I also drive it because I now can > > > drive twice as long > > > without refueling. My only regret is that I didn't > > > wait a few months more > > > and get the Lexus version instead of the Camry. > > > > > > And about Ron Paul...please understand that what > > > Bush and Co. deem as > > > republican is not republican at all. Ron Paul is a > > > *REAL* republican. I > > > invite everyone to search for "republican > > > government" to get a better > > > understanding of what a republican really is. Then > > > you might realize that > > > for Bush and Co. to call themselves republicans is > > > the most contorted skewed > > > and down right criminal thing I have ever heard. > > > Remember that Abraham > > > Lincoln, who abolished slavery, was the first > > > republican president. On a > > > scale with Lincoln and Hitler on opposing ends, I > > > would not put bush on the > > > Lincoln half to say the least. > > > > > > E > > > > > > On 11/2/07, Brian Lewis wrote: > > > > > > > > Or Drive a hybrid car :P > > > > > > > > Ever see that southpark with al gore on it trying > > > to hunt manbearbig? > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > > > > > > > > > Brian Lewis wrote: > > > > >> Let me re-dig the articles I was reading with > > > the ron paul/regan/bush > > > > >> thing. > > > > >> > > > > >> What America really needs is President Gore :) > > > > >> > > > > > There is nothing that can be said that would > > > sway me in that direction. > > > > Most > > > > > of what was in his documentary was erroneous > > > information passed off as > > > > facts. > > > > > CO2 is not a problem in any way shape or form. > > > Bottom line, if people > > > > are > > > > > worried about CO2, plant more trees. Problem > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Nate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Brian Lewis > > > > Sent using PINE 4.64 > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > > unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > > unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > "What you have been obliged to discover > > by yourself leaves a path in your mind > > which you can use again when the need > > arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg > > > > http://themathcircle.org/ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Nov 2 13:43:23 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Fri Nov 2 13:46:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472B6FCB.6040703@futuretechsolutions.com> Hillary?!? http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WNY99268 Votes against denying legal status to illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes against our citizens, and more importantly, our children, (http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=13435&can_id=55463) Votes to reduce the number of LEGAL guest workers. (http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=13431&can_id=55463) Just a couple of the many reasons that I would never vote for her. IMHO the best way to address the problems in government is to vote out the incumbents, remind the pols who they are working for. Brian Lewis wrote: > I mean proof and sources cited saying Hillery will definable do the > "amero", the NAU, etc. You can't just claim something fact when it's > fiction. I'm keeping up with the election too, as I like to stay > informed. I have no political party affiliation. In 2000 I voted for > Gore, last year for TeX. Gov, I voted for Kinky! :P > > I'm an unbiased, equal opportunity political party hater, however, with > RN Paule being a *REGISTERED REPUBLICAN*, I highly doubt that I can find > it in me to (at least for this coming election), give my vote to someone > who is affiliated in any way-shape-form of Bush. He has turned these > great United States of America into a big joke, and when you're in the > military and your whole family is scared for you on a daily basis > because they don't want to lose you to the possibility of getting sent > over to the sandbox to support a made up war by our suppose commander > and chief, you tend to lose the faith quickly. > > Vote Ron Paul if you want to vote for yet another registered republican. > > As of this very moment, I'm voting Hillary. We're ready for a female > president. If Gore were to run, he would get my vote, likewise, any > other candidate that actually stands out, and doesn't play the "politics > as usual" game, will take my vote away from Hillary. From what I've > seen, heard, and read on Ron Paul, he is nothing more than another > polition, who had a good hand in getting Regan elected, and whom is > *JUST* a politician. > > -Brian > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: > >> Brian Lewis wrote: >>> Nate: >>> >>> Could you please cite some *RELIABLE* sources to back your agreement >>> up. >>> >>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: >> >> History of the Fed: >> http: //news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php >> http: //www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm >> >> And in a very informative documentary called "Money Masters" on Google >> video that covers the Fed and IRS: >> http://tinyurl.com/28vy2t >> >> And another, by Aaron Ruso, called "America: Freedom to Fascism": >> http://tinyurl.com/yqohjz >> >> That is just the tip of the iceberg. >> >> >> ~ Nate >> >>> >>> > Ernest De Leon wrote: >>> > > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both >>> > > evil....It's >>> > > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the > > >>> Constitution! >>> > > You hit it right on the money (so to speak), Ernest. The >>> right-left > paradigm is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to get us >>> to believe that > there are only two solutions, this way or that >>> way. The reality is that > both sides are funded by the same money, >>> that is why nothing ever > changes and nothing good ever comes out >>> of Washington. While I don't > have a solution for all the World's >>> problems, I can tell you that if you > follow the money trail you >>> will find out who is creating them. Get rid > of them and you will >>> be three steps closer to solving the World's > problems. >>> > > As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that explicitly states >>> that the > people of this country have to pay taxes on their labor. >>> Look it up, it > doesn't exist. The federal government uses their >>> SWAT, FBI, Police thugs > to enforce a law that never existed. While >>> you're searching for the law, > also check out the fact that the >>> Federal Reserve Bank isn't owned by the > federal government either. >>> If you look in the phone book it doesn't > appear in the government >>> pages because it is privately owned by European > banking interests. >>> > > Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this Republic. If >>> Hilary "wins" > the election we are in a world of hurt. The North >>> American Union will > surely be properly instituted, the Amero will >>> be our currency, we will > be at war with Iran, and they might even >>> start throwing people into the > regional Fema concentration camps >>> that have been set up around the > country (look it up if you don't >>> believe me). Things will indeed be dire > if this current dynasty is >>> allowed to continue. This may be our last > chance at a relatively >>> free election. If we don't put Ron Paul in office > we have no hope >>> of holding on to these United States of America. >>> > > > ~ Nate >>> > > >> >> >> > From astro at astr0.org Fri Nov 2 14:15:52 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Nov 2 14:15:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: <472B6FCB.6040703@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> <472B6FCB.6040703@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: I believe we don't need a guest worker program. I also believe that we shouldn't allow illegal immigrants to become citizens just because somebody illegally crossed the boarder and spit the kid out us soil. I also believe fluent ENGLISH should be a REQUIREMENT (and not just a 'basic understanding',) for obtaining citizenship. You want to live in another country? Speak the language that 99% of the country speaks. If you're caught here illegally, you are permanently denied citizenship, if we catch you again, you're tagged somehow to prevent you from entering our country again. Employees who hire illegals should be fined into the group and/or shutdown. There are laws in place for a reason. I am also against that BS "health insurance for all children". It's the parents job to provide insurance for their children until they're 18. I have never seen a job that does not provide insurance. Illegals should not be allowed to acquire welfare and/or section 8. Anybody found harboring illegals that is receiving Govt Assistance is automatically cut off and denied the luxury of assistance from that day on. I also believe Govt assistance should be given for a max of 1 year. If you can't get your shit together within 1 year of getting an "affordable" place to live and free money for food and toiletry's, you are not trying hard enough. Here is a very novel idea: All immigrants who wish to obtain citizenship are required to spend 4 years in our armed forces. Fight for the country you want to live in, and you are allowed to stay. If you're receiving welfare/section8/assistance, and you are found wearing gold chains, driving an expensive car, squandering your money, you are cut off from any type of assistance for life. This includes your Tax Refund, until you've paid back all the money the govt invested in trying to help you get your life together. I would do away with bias charities, etc. Such as the United Negro College Fund. If I started The United Whitey College Fund, I'd be labeled a racist, why should it be any different for anyone else? Education is education. One year all the white kids get the money because they got better grades and had better scores? too bad. Next year black kids get it because of the same? too bad. Equality should never be measured by the color of ones skin, especially when it comes to a free college education. It should be measured by what is in ones head. To the victor go the spoils, as one says. On the topic of education, another thing, I'd try to enact some type of law or something that basically states if an athlete gets a sports scholarship, they should deserve it. That means no more majoring in basket weaving or "sports team management". They would be required to get a real degree, so if they get hurt, they aren't a burden to society. Sorry for the rant, just wanted to get that stuff out :P -B On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Charles Hogan wrote: > Hillary?!? > http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WNY99268 > > Votes against denying legal status to illegal immigrants who commit violent > crimes against our citizens, and more importantly, our children, > (http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=13435&can_id=55463) > > Votes to reduce the number of LEGAL guest workers. > (http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=13431&can_id=55463) > > Just a couple of the many reasons that I would never vote for her. > > IMHO the best way to address the problems in government is to vote out the > incumbents, remind the pols who they are working for. > > Brian Lewis wrote: >> I mean proof and sources cited saying Hillery will definable do the >> "amero", the NAU, etc. You can't just claim something fact when it's >> fiction. I'm keeping up with the election too, as I like to stay informed. >> I have no political party affiliation. In 2000 I voted for Gore, last year >> for TeX. Gov, I voted for Kinky! :P >> >> I'm an unbiased, equal opportunity political party hater, however, with RN >> Paule being a *REGISTERED REPUBLICAN*, I highly doubt that I can find it >> in me to (at least for this coming election), give my vote to someone who >> is affiliated in any way-shape-form of Bush. He has turned these great >> United States of America into a big joke, and when you're in the military >> and your whole family is scared for you on a daily basis because they >> don't want to lose you to the possibility of getting sent over to the >> sandbox to support a made up war by our suppose commander and chief, you >> tend to lose the faith quickly. >> >> Vote Ron Paul if you want to vote for yet another registered republican. >> >> As of this very moment, I'm voting Hillary. We're ready for a female >> president. If Gore were to run, he would get my vote, likewise, any other >> candidate that actually stands out, and doesn't play the "politics as >> usual" game, will take my vote away from Hillary. From what I've seen, >> heard, and read on Ron Paul, he is nothing more than another polition, who >> had a good hand in getting Regan elected, and whom is *JUST* a politician. >> >> -Brian >> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: >> >> > Brian Lewis wrote: >> > > Nate: >> > > >> > > Could you please cite some *RELIABLE* sources to back your agreement >> > > up. >> > > >> > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: >> > >> > History of the Fed: >> > http: //news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php >> > http: //www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm >> > >> > And in a very informative documentary called "Money Masters" on Google >> > video that covers the Fed and IRS: >> > http://tinyurl.com/28vy2t >> > >> > And another, by Aaron Ruso, called "America: Freedom to Fascism": >> > http://tinyurl.com/yqohjz >> > >> > That is just the tip of the iceberg. >> > >> > >> > ~ Nate >> > >> > > >> > > > Ernest De Leon wrote: >> > > > > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're both >> > > > > evil....It's >> > > > > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the > > >> > > Constitution! >> > > > > You hit it right on the money (so to speak), Ernest. The >> > > right-left > paradigm is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to get us >> > > to believe that > there are only two solutions, this way or that way. >> > > The reality is that > both sides are funded by the same money, that >> > > is why nothing ever > changes and nothing good ever comes out of >> > > Washington. While I don't > have a solution for all the World's >> > > problems, I can tell you that if you > follow the money trail you >> > > will find out who is creating them. Get rid > of them and you will be >> > > three steps closer to solving the World's > problems. >> > > > > As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that explicitly states >> > > that the > people of this country have to pay taxes on their labor. >> > > Look it up, it > doesn't exist. The federal government uses their >> > > SWAT, FBI, Police thugs > to enforce a law that never existed. While >> > > you're searching for the law, > also check out the fact that the >> > > Federal Reserve Bank isn't owned by the > federal government either. >> > > If you look in the phone book it doesn't > appear in the government >> > > pages because it is privately owned by European > banking interests. >> > > > > Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this Republic. If >> > > Hilary "wins" > the election we are in a world of hurt. The North >> > > American Union will > surely be properly instituted, the Amero will >> > > be our currency, we will > be at war with Iran, and they might even >> > > start throwing people into the > regional Fema concentration camps >> > > that have been set up around the > country (look it up if you don't >> > > believe me). Things will indeed be dire > if this current dynasty is >> > > allowed to continue. This may be our last > chance at a relatively >> > > free election. If we don't put Ron Paul in office > we have no hope >> > > of holding on to these United States of America. >> > > > > > ~ Nate >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- Brian Lewis Sent using PINE 4.64 From dubose at texas.net Fri Nov 2 14:50:05 2007 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Fri Nov 2 14:50:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Not Ready for the Desktop In-Reply-To: <200711020116.52856.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <49215.208.97.132.182.1193078021.squirrel@mail.astr0.org> <200710300052.36824.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47274221.9060602@gmail.com> <200711020116.52856.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <472B7F6D.2000600@texas.net> I also know that several professors at Trinity Univ have switched over to Linux and/or Mac OSX because of the failings of the M$ OS and some of applications. Walt Tom Weeks wrote: > On Tuesday 30 October 2007 09:39:29 pixelnate wrote: > >>Tom Weeks wrote: >> >>>My brother's a red neck musician who thinks he knows about computers (the >>>worst of all). I've managed him to try to use Linux now about once/year >>>for the past four years. He's now at a point (or I should say that most >>>Distros are now at a point) where he can install it, it works, and the >>>GUI is uniform and intuitive enough that he can jump in and use it. And >>>apps like Audacity and Open Office he absolutely loves.. He's told me >>>since switching over, "I'm was just fed up with Windows Crashing every >>>time I have some critical composition or sound file loaded up... and >>>after seeing the new Fedora, Audacity, and what Open Office can do for >>>free.. I'm like..whoa! I love it! I'm never going back to Windows now!" >> >>You should show him Ubuntu Studio. It is perfect for musicians. RT >>kernel, all the audio apps you could shake a stick at. >> >>ubuntustudio.org > > > Thanx for the pointer Nate.. :) > > Tweeks From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Nov 2 14:51:26 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Fri Nov 2 14:54:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> <472B6FCB.6040703@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <472B7FBE.8050305@futuretechsolutions.com> With those beliefs, I would strongly suggest that you look at Hillary's voting record in the senate before casting your ballot. Brian Lewis wrote: > I believe we don't need a guest worker program. > > I also believe that we shouldn't allow illegal immigrants to become > citizens just because somebody illegally crossed the boarder and spit > the kid out us soil. > > I also believe fluent ENGLISH should be a REQUIREMENT (and not just a > 'basic understanding',) for obtaining citizenship. You want to live in > another country? Speak the language that 99% of the country speaks. > > If you're caught here illegally, you are permanently denied citizenship, > if we catch you again, you're tagged somehow to prevent you from > entering our country again. > > Employees who hire illegals should be fined into the group and/or > shutdown. There are laws in place for a reason. > > I am also against that BS "health insurance for all children". > > It's the parents job to provide insurance for their children until > they're 18. I have never seen a job that does not provide insurance. > > Illegals should not be allowed to acquire welfare and/or section 8. > > Anybody found harboring illegals that is receiving Govt Assistance is > automatically cut off and denied the luxury of assistance from that day on. > > I also believe Govt assistance should be given for a max of 1 year. If > you can't get your shit together within 1 year of getting an > "affordable" place to live and free money for food and toiletry's, you > are not trying hard enough. > > Here is a very novel idea: > > All immigrants who wish to obtain citizenship are required to spend 4 > years in our armed forces. Fight for the country you want to live in, > and you are allowed to stay. > > If you're receiving welfare/section8/assistance, and you are found > wearing gold chains, driving an expensive car, squandering your money, > you are cut off from any type of assistance for life. This includes your > Tax Refund, until you've paid back all the money the govt invested in > trying to help you get your life together. > > I would do away with bias charities, etc. Such as the United Negro > College Fund. If I started The United Whitey College Fund, I'd be > labeled a racist, why should it be any different for anyone else? > Education is education. One year all the white kids get the money > because they got better grades and had better scores? too bad. Next year > black kids get it because of the same? too bad. Equality should never be > measured by the color of ones skin, especially when it comes to a free > college education. It should be measured by what is in ones head. To the > victor go the spoils, as one says. > > On the topic of education, another thing, I'd try to enact some type of > law or something that basically states if an athlete gets a sports > scholarship, they should deserve it. That means no more majoring in > basket weaving or "sports team management". They would be required to > get a real degree, so if they get hurt, they aren't a burden to society. > > Sorry for the rant, just wanted to get that stuff out :P > > -B > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Charles Hogan wrote: > >> Hillary?!? >> http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WNY99268 >> >> Votes against denying legal status to illegal immigrants who commit >> violent crimes against our citizens, and more importantly, our >> children, >> (http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=13435&can_id=55463) >> >> >> Votes to reduce the number of LEGAL guest workers. >> (http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=13431&can_id=55463) >> >> >> Just a couple of the many reasons that I would never vote for her. >> >> IMHO the best way to address the problems in government is to vote out >> the incumbents, remind the pols who they are working for. >> >> Brian Lewis wrote: >>> I mean proof and sources cited saying Hillery will definable do the >>> "amero", the NAU, etc. You can't just claim something fact when it's >>> fiction. I'm keeping up with the election too, as I like to stay >>> informed. >>> I have no political party affiliation. In 2000 I voted for Gore, >>> last year >>> for TeX. Gov, I voted for Kinky! :P >>> >>> I'm an unbiased, equal opportunity political party hater, however, >>> with RN >>> Paule being a *REGISTERED REPUBLICAN*, I highly doubt that I can >>> find it >>> in me to (at least for this coming election), give my vote to >>> someone who >>> is affiliated in any way-shape-form of Bush. He has turned these great >>> United States of America into a big joke, and when you're in the >>> military >>> and your whole family is scared for you on a daily basis because they >>> don't want to lose you to the possibility of getting sent over to the >>> sandbox to support a made up war by our suppose commander and chief, >>> you >>> tend to lose the faith quickly. >>> >>> Vote Ron Paul if you want to vote for yet another registered >>> republican. >>> >>> As of this very moment, I'm voting Hillary. We're ready for a female >>> president. If Gore were to run, he would get my vote, likewise, any >>> other >>> candidate that actually stands out, and doesn't play the "politics as >>> usual" game, will take my vote away from Hillary. From what I've seen, >>> heard, and read on Ron Paul, he is nothing more than another >>> polition, who >>> had a good hand in getting Regan elected, and whom is *JUST* a >>> politician. >>> >>> -Brian >>> >>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: >>> >>> > Brian Lewis wrote: >>> > > Nate: >>> > > > > Could you please cite some *RELIABLE* sources to back your >>> agreement > > up. >>> > > > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, pixelnate wrote: >>> > > History of the Fed: >>> > http: //news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php >>> > http: //www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm >>> > > And in a very informative documentary called "Money Masters" on >>> Google > video that covers the Fed and IRS: >>> > http://tinyurl.com/28vy2t >>> > > And another, by Aaron Ruso, called "America: Freedom to Fascism": >>> > http://tinyurl.com/yqohjz >>> > > That is just the tip of the iceberg. >>> > > > ~ Nate >>> > > > > > > Ernest De Leon wrote: >>> > > > > Funny thing about right wing and left wing is that they're >>> both >>> > > > > evil....It's >>> > > > > all about Ron Paul...down with the IRS and long live the > >>> > > > Constitution! >>> > > > > You hit it right on the money (so to speak), Ernest. The > >>> > right-left > paradigm is just a Hegelian dialectic set up to get >>> us > > to believe that > there are only two solutions, this way or >>> that way. > > The reality is that > both sides are funded by the >>> same money, that > > is why nothing ever > changes and nothing good >>> ever comes out of > > Washington. While I don't > have a solution >>> for all the World's > > problems, I can tell you that if you > >>> follow the money trail you > > will find out who is creating them. >>> Get rid > of them and you will be > > three steps closer to solving >>> the World's > problems. >>> > > > > As far as the IRS goes, there is no law that explicitly >>> states > > that the > people of this country have to pay taxes on >>> their labor. > > Look it up, it > doesn't exist. The federal >>> government uses their > > SWAT, FBI, Police thugs > to enforce a >>> law that never existed. While > > you're searching for the law, > >>> also check out the fact that the > > Federal Reserve Bank isn't >>> owned by the > federal government either. > > If you look in the >>> phone book it doesn't > appear in the government > > pages because >>> it is privately owned by European > banking interests. >>> > > > > Yes, Ron Paul is our only hope of saving this Republic. If >>> > > Hilary "wins" > the election we are in a world of hurt. The >>> North > > American Union will > surely be properly instituted, the >>> Amero will > > be our currency, we will > be at war with Iran, and >>> they might even > > start throwing people into the > regional Fema >>> concentration camps > > that have been set up around the > country >>> (look it up if you don't > > believe me). Things will indeed be dire >>> > if this current dynasty is > > allowed to continue. This may be >>> our last > chance at a relatively > > free election. If we don't >>> put Ron Paul in office > we have no hope > > of holding on to these >>> United States of America. >>> > > > > > ~ Nate >>> > > > > > > > >>> >> > From benjamin.temple at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 15:00:07 2007 From: benjamin.temple at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Fri Nov 2 15:00:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Acer Laptop Sale - Walmart - $348 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <368c881c0711021300p20675e75l6e2d7808e4d851f4@mail.gmail.com> I got mine with 512mb of RAM from CompUSA for $349 after rebate, and I LOVE it. I upgraded it to 1.5gb ram and it is screaming. The only thing I have to say is that you should not trust Walmart for computers. On 11/1/07, M K Ramadoss wrote: > > Walmart is selling Acer Laptops with 1GB memory for $348 at 8.00amtomorrow, > Friday Nov 2. > > The only info available is an announcement of the sale in the Walmart > Website. > > mkr > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From gabriel.doss at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 15:02:52 2007 From: gabriel.doss at gmail.com (Gabriel Doss) Date: Fri Nov 2 15:03:03 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Walmart Selling Linux PCs/ Right-Left paradigm In-Reply-To: References: <2470980d0711011718u4e8344e9j1330ebe2d12542a8@mail.gmail.com> <472B3318.1040207@gmail.com> <472B3956.6030802@gmail.com> <472B6FCB.6040703@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <472B826C.3090705@gmail.com> Brian Lewis wrote: > I have never seen a job that does not provide insurance. > LMAO. You didn't look very hard then at all then. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, as of 2005 one-third of U.S. firms do not offer health insurance to their employees. You may or may not trust the validity of their number, but to assume they would be off by such a huge margin as to make your statement even close to accurate would be absurd. The rest of your statements are largely opinion and I'll leave them alone. And technically the quoted comment is personal observation and not derived through research, so that is opinion too. However, the statement was so surprising as it is so incredibly wrong that I felt compelled to comment. From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 15:50:58 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (nt) Date: Fri Nov 2 15:55:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG]