From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 07:31:32 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Oct 1 07:31:34 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <320464.92723.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> $0.50 --- Ben wrote: > Hello, > I hve a *busted* Commodore 64 laying around. > Includes TV Cable with adapter, > power supply, box, and of course, the unit. I have > to run all offers by my > fther, so no guarantees any offer will be accepted. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 09:26:38 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon Oct 1 09:26:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Tip: printing man pages Message-ID: man -t dhcpd | lpr -P hpLaserJet4300 command will print man pages for dhcpd to printer "hpLaserJet4300" -- ::twistedPickles:: : From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 10:09:28 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:09:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] dhcpd help Message-ID: I have 2 networks, 1private, 1 public and 1 dhcpd server. Currently the dhcpd server serves IP addys for the private network but I also want it to serve public IP's on the public side. The dhcpd server is attached to the Internet on eth0, eth1 is private, and eth3 is not used. Is it possible to configure dhcpd in such a manner that I can dynamically serve both private and public from the same machine respectively to the different networks by specifying the different subnets in the dhcpd.conffile? dhcpd can only listen on 1 interface, right? -- ::twistedPickles:: : From siffland at nerdshack.com Mon Oct 1 10:36:32 2007 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:36:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Interesting License Plate Spotted. In-Reply-To: <368c881c0709301528j5201b478n8e1893a153f0ec06@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0709301508g6ecf9173gba5299406d7f1477@mail.gmail.com> <368c881c0709301528j5201b478n8e1893a153f0ec06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00710010836n1b819fadp75606d0a0a9e9906@mail.gmail.com> On 9/30/07, Ben wrote: > > What about UBU-NTU? When i bought my sebring from another sys admin in illinois the license plate was UNIXGUY, i had to drive around with that for 2 weeks. From wwalker at bybent.com Mon Oct 1 10:39:50 2007 From: wwalker at bybent.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:39:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Interesting License Plate Spotted. In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00710010836n1b819fadp75606d0a0a9e9906@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0709301508g6ecf9173gba5299406d7f1477@mail.gmail.com> <368c881c0709301528j5201b478n8e1893a153f0ec06@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00710010836n1b819fadp75606d0a0a9e9906@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071001153950.GG7492@bybent.com> On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 10:36:32AM -0500, Sean I wrote: > On 9/30/07, Ben wrote: > > > > What about UBU-NTU? > > > > When i bought my sebring from another sys admin in illinois the license > plate was > > UNIXGUY, i had to drive around with that for 2 weeks. Don't you mean "I GOT to", rather than "I HAD to"? One of our developers has the license plate "RTFM" on a pretty blue RX-8. -- Wayne Walker # Code comments are lies waiting to happen wwalker@bybent.com Do you use Linux?! http://www.bybent.com Get Counted! http://counter.li.org/ Perl - http://www.perl.org/ Perl User Groups - http://www.pm.org/ Jabber: wwalker@jabber.gnumber.com AIM: lwwalkerbybent IRC: wwalker on freenode.net From masterr at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 10:51:21 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:51:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Tip: printing man pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14842c410710010851s20c4aba5l44652495e95687a2@mail.gmail.com> Very nice. Here is another similar tip. If you wanted to make a PDF of a man page you could modify it slightly. This is to make a pdf of the manpage for man man -t man | ps2pdf - man.pdf -Jon On 10/1/07, twistedpickles wrote: > man -t dhcpd | lpr -P hpLaserJet4300 > > command will print man pages for dhcpd to printer "hpLaserJet4300" > > > > > -- > ::twistedPickles:: : > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 11:16:22 2007 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Mon Oct 1 11:16:28 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Interesting License Plate Spotted. Message-ID: <1003aeaa0710010916x7706837cme5b5ad4d664c8c95@mail.gmail.com> > Mike WN5PMR wrote: >>Jim Wells wrote: >> Late Saturday afternoon, I spotted the license plate APT-GET on a black >> Suburban near North Star Mall. >> Someone's initials and a big coincidence? Or a Debian user? >> >> Anybody know? >> >> Jim Wells >> > Nice spot Jim, however I would venture a guess that it is the initials > of a hubby/wife pair. > > Mike WN5PMR > And the "Un-official" license plate collector of Satlug :{< You're both half-right! It does belong to a hubby/wife pair, but it is not our initials. That would be a pretty cool coincidence, though I can't imagine what names would give those initials. We're both Debian fans, even from before we knew each other. My wife drives the Suburban most of the time, so she calls it hers .. ;) Henry From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 11:22:34 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Oct 1 11:22:36 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Interesting License Plate Spotted. In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0710010916x7706837cme5b5ad4d664c8c95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <906362.71325.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Henry Pugsley wrote: > > Mike WN5PMR wrote: > >>Jim Wells wrote: > >> Late Saturday afternoon, I spotted the license > plate APT-GET on a black > >> Suburban near North Star Mall. > >> Someone's initials and a big coincidence? Or a > Debian user? > >> > >> Anybody know? > >> > >> Jim Wells > >> > > Nice spot Jim, however I would venture a guess > that it is the initials > > of a hubby/wife pair. > > > > Mike WN5PMR > > And the "Un-official" license plate collector of > Satlug :{< > > You're both half-right! It does belong to a > hubby/wife pair, but it > is not our initials. That would be a pretty cool > coincidence, though > I can't imagine what names would give those > initials. We're both > Debian fans, even from before we knew each other. > My wife drives the > Suburban most of the time, so she calls it hers .. > ;) > > Henry LOL!! Funny to find that he's actually a SATLUG member! -Alex ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 11:29:14 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon Oct 1 11:29:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Tip: printing man pages In-Reply-To: <14842c410710010851s20c4aba5l44652495e95687a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410710010851s20c4aba5l44652495e95687a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/1/07, Jonathan Hull wrote: > > > > man -t man | ps2pdf - man.pdf > > > thanks, never tried this...will add to list of fav commands -- ::twistedPickles:: : From daniel at rugmonster.org Mon Oct 1 12:11:24 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Mon Oct 1 12:11:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] dhcpd help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47012A3C.3060606@rugmonster.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 twistedpickles wrote: > I have 2 networks, 1private, 1 public and 1 dhcpd server. > > Currently the dhcpd server serves IP addys for the private network but I > also want it to serve public IP's on the public side. The dhcpd server is > attached to the Internet on eth0, eth1 is private, and eth3 is not used. > > Is it possible to configure dhcpd in such a manner that I can dynamically > serve both private and public from the same machine respectively to the > different networks by specifying the different subnets in the > dhcpd.conffile? dhcpd can only listen on 1 interface, right? The ISC DHCPD can listen on as many interfaces as you like and serve addresses for as many subnets as you have configured along with the use of DHCP Relay Agents. I know in Debian-based systems, you can specify which interfaces dhcpd listens on by editing /etc/default/dhcp3-server. Although I can't say for certain, I'm willing to bet on a RH-based system, you would find similar settings under /etc/sysconfig/dhcpsomething. Once you do that, configure up the scope for the external side and you'll be good to go. - -- Daniel J. Givens daniel@rugmonster.org - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHASo8MX8DRj/fwTgRAiC6AJ40zP0h6unIse+APCNXTaM08aTaxQCggUkU dwtvNtAJ95Qo5K/CrhOxPFY= =puli -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wwalker at bybent.com Mon Oct 1 12:27:02 2007 From: wwalker at bybent.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Mon Oct 1 12:27:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] dhcpd help In-Reply-To: <47012A3C.3060606@rugmonster.org> References: <47012A3C.3060606@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <20071001172702.GB15130@bybent.com> On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 12:11:24PM -0500, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The ISC DHCPD can listen on as many interfaces as you like and serve > addresses for as many subnets as you have configured along with the use > of DHCP Relay Agents. > > I know in Debian-based systems, you can specify which interfaces dhcpd > listens on by editing /etc/default/dhcp3-server. Although I can't say > for certain, I'm willing to bet on a RH-based system, you would find > similar settings under /etc/sysconfig/dhcpsomething. Once you do that, > configure up the scope for the external side and you'll be good to go. it's /etc/dhcpd.conf on redhat systems. -- Wayne Walker # Code comments are lies waiting to happen wwalker@bybent.com Do you use Linux?! http://www.bybent.com Get Counted! http://counter.li.org/ Perl - http://www.perl.org/ Perl User Groups - http://www.pm.org/ Jabber: wwalker@jabber.gnumber.com AIM: lwwalkerbybent IRC: wwalker on freenode.net From sassy.swede at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 12:34:22 2007 From: sassy.swede at gmail.com (Sassafrass) Date: Mon Oct 1 12:34:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Interesting License Plate Spotted. In-Reply-To: <906362.71325.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <1003aeaa0710010916x7706837cme5b5ad4d664c8c95@mail.gmail.com> <906362.71325.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So is the wife, who owns the apt-get plates. (= -Charnell Pugsley On 10/1/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > --- Henry Pugsley wrote: > > > > Mike WN5PMR wrote: > > >>Jim Wells wrote: > > >> Late Saturday afternoon, I spotted the license > > plate APT-GET on a black > > >> Suburban near North Star Mall. > > >> Someone's initials and a big coincidence? Or a > > Debian user? > > >> > > >> Anybody know? > > >> > > >> Jim Wells > > >> > > > Nice spot Jim, however I would venture a guess > > that it is the initials > > > of a hubby/wife pair. > > > > > > Mike WN5PMR > > > And the "Un-official" license plate collector of > > Satlug :{< > > > > You're both half-right! It does belong to a > > hubby/wife pair, but it > > is not our initials. That would be a pretty cool > > coincidence, though > > I can't imagine what names would give those > > initials. We're both > > Debian fans, even from before we knew each other. > > My wife drives the > > Suburban most of the time, so she calls it hers .. > > ;) > > > > Henry > > > LOL!! Funny to find that he's actually a SATLUG > member! > > -Alex > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From daniel at rugmonster.org Mon Oct 1 12:35:48 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Mon Oct 1 12:35:48 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Tip: printing man pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47012FF4.4060002@rugmonster.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 twistedpickles wrote: > man -t dhcpd | lpr -P hpLaserJet4300 > > command will print man pages for dhcpd to printer "hpLaserJet4300" I have found that printing through Yelp tends to give better results. If you use a desktop with Gnome, you can use Yelp to open manpages by entering man: into the search bar. Say I want to read the manpage for nfs, I type in man:nfs. And like I said before, the printout is just a little better. I use XFCE4 on my desktop and have Yelp installed so I can look at manpages nicely formatted. For whatever reason, it's harder for me to read them in a console. - -- Daniel J. Givens daniel@rugmonster.org - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHAS/0MX8DRj/fwTgRAr5YAJkBlCQpE1depCzZn9uEwxqujjxx9ACg0VKP DRnhM039DWLfAaE4N7QN4q0= =4xu2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From daniel at rugmonster.org Mon Oct 1 12:35:59 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Mon Oct 1 12:35:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Tip: printing man pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47012FFF.2010506@rugmonster.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 twistedpickles wrote: > man -t dhcpd | lpr -P hpLaserJet4300 > > command will print man pages for dhcpd to printer "hpLaserJet4300" I have found that printing through Yelp tends to give better results. If you use a desktop with Gnome, you can use Yelp to open manpages by entering man: into the search bar. Say I want to read the manpage for nfs, I type in man:nfs. And like I said before, the printout is just a little better. I use XFCE4 on my desktop and have Yelp installed so I can look at manpages nicely formatted. For whatever reason, it's harder for me to read them in a console. - -- Daniel J. Givens daniel@rugmonster.org - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHAS/0MX8DRj/fwTgRAr5YAJkBlCQpE1depCzZn9uEwxqujjxx9ACg0VKP DRnhM039DWLfAaE4N7QN4q0= =4xu2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 15:33:00 2007 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:33:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] off subject for a second In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10709281051tbb9b62mb8a68f700c97ce84@mail.gmail.com> References: <294cd3d10709281051tbb9b62mb8a68f700c97ce84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4701597C.3000803@earthlink.net> I am interested. Mike w6gar@arrl.net country wrote: > Just had a guy come in here, wanting to sell an old tube type ham rig, if > anyone might be interested, let me know back channel, and I"ll give phone > number, he said it was part of the estate his deceased brother had.. > > > > From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Oct 1 15:44:24 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:44:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: some dot matrix printers for auction Message-ID: <47015C28.7000101@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 In order to help garner proceeds for my Linux distribution, Source Mage, a good friend of mine is going to auction off some Dot-Matrix printers. He lives out in San Angelo, which isn't too terribly far, but it would be a day's trip. This is, however a great way to get a dot-matrix printer on the cheap :) I have several (close to ten, I think) Okidata Microline320 printers, and as far as I know, they all work, including a used ribbon. They use standard 8.5" x 11" continuous feed paper. As far as I know, they all work and the only problems that would be present would be the yellowing of the plastic (i.e. no broken parts or missing pieces). The only real use for them that I could think of would be for printing off man pages and scripts and junk. What I would like to do first is auction them off to the highest bidders. The proceeds will then be donated to SMGL. I'm a broke college student, which means I don't have any money, so I'd also ask buyers to pay for the shipping in addition to whatever they're donating to SMGL. About the only expense I have to spare on this would be some weekend time and some gas to drive to The UPS Store (or wherever I need to go to ship a printer to a buyer). You can contact Matthew Clark at matthewclark@inlesserterms.net . Mention that you're interested in the printers and I'm sure he'll work out the details. Just thought you guys might be interested in this, since at one point I was, and I still have my 32-pin wide carrage Dot Matrix printer ;) - -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRwFcKMnf+vRw63ObAQqcVQv+JgguSG5qZwv3oByZucz7NHH0OgU8hQq9 gWp9/ZnJ1rMHJS4J+vN8HavRkZgeU11VNDVbRJ2nkr1IBgSrtZNkzlkaxCS+YykC KEhhQdCZp6g2GSxyB46tAp3C3Xy90w5Bh76qqPxLMxq/mvhDqn7rPSyoF6enoDJQ 0SWMh200qMBw2uEgZVG9bGfzbCSHsba3bDV0Yx4/IP5AB0c49oQhN7Bebgu28eLI Qdjt/7tCpilCNjndI4rKrnhGuGYi4EIm15O08exH9eSy7frBIlRSj3GkDA8Ykklg 0pZtMCaB+rpDfa66RrcRfmpeUKOCIrc/yO/G/lDneozS1ScZbLcH5qshV/DIOkGb LXNZo1LdmbCmIknbmsEnRpcEGv7xFQm/Ds1mhupDWo/+m0Lg/Ln/s+8QjEmkDS6A vRb5248Lvk+8ZXn1lQa5hqUgrAlYp2j9CL0gzYSxetJyJN+T+LYc/6wA4wBgWUfh SrLkx+3Q7asmYQrlrwTcTrnBKZrmX9rg =+XVM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Oct 1 16:17:32 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Oct 1 16:18:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] off subject for a second In-Reply-To: <4701597C.3000803@earthlink.net> References: <294cd3d10709281051tbb9b62mb8a68f700c97ce84@mail.gmail.com> <4701597C.3000803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <470163EC.7060507@w5omr.shacknet.nu> MK Davis wrote: > I am interested. > > Mike > > w6gar@arrl.net > > country wrote: >> Just had a guy come in here, wanting to sell an old tube type ham >> rig, if >> anyone might be interested, let me know back channel, and I"ll give >> phone >> number, he said it was part of the estate his deceased brother had.. I already got the stuff, y'all... the radio turned out to be an old Hammarlund HQ-129 (in some -serious- need of TLC) and a medium voltage power supply (5U4 style - around.. oh, 500 or 600v, maybe) But, I think Mike/WN5PMR got the tubes. I gave what I thought was a fair price for the two items, and the guy selling said "you can't do any better than that?" I said "It's either that, or good luck finding anyone else to take it. It's basically 50 and 60 year old junk!" so, I got it. -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR From aaron at aaronhackney.com Mon Oct 1 16:29:35 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Mon Oct 1 16:29:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] dhcpd help In-Reply-To: <20071001172702.GB15130@bybent.com> References: <47012A3C.3060606@rugmonster.org> <20071001172702.GB15130@bybent.com> Message-ID: <470166BF.6090600@aaronhackney.com> Wayne Walker wrote: > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 12:11:24PM -0500, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> The ISC DHCPD can listen on as many interfaces as you like and serve >> addresses for as many subnets as you have configured along with the use >> of DHCP Relay Agents. >> >> I know in Debian-based systems, you can specify which interfaces dhcpd >> listens on by editing /etc/default/dhcp3-server. Although I can't say >> for certain, I'm willing to bet on a RH-based system, you would find >> similar settings under /etc/sysconfig/dhcpsomething. Once you do that, >> configure up the scope for the external side and you'll be good to go. >> > > it's /etc/dhcpd.conf on redhat systems. > > And I believe that as long as you have a scope configured for each subnet, it will default to being "on" for every interface in the system and will hand out IPs from the proper scope based on which interface/subnet the DHCP Discover message came from. -A From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 16:59:50 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon Oct 1 16:59:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] dhcpd help In-Reply-To: <470166BF.6090600@aaronhackney.com> References: <47012A3C.3060606@rugmonster.org> <20071001172702.GB15130@bybent.com> <470166BF.6090600@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: I run an FC distro and in '/etc/sysconfig/dhcpd' I have specified dhcpd to listen on eth1. Removing the eth1 argument and specifing the correct subnets will allow dhcpd to listen and serve IP's respectively on each subnet? Th4nks! On 10/1/07, Aaron Hackney wrote: > Wayne Walker wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 12:11:24PM -0500, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> The ISC DHCPD can listen on as many interfaces as you like and serve > >> addresses for as many subnets as you have configured along with the use > >> of DHCP Relay Agents. > >> > >> I know in Debian-based systems, you can specify which interfaces dhcpd > >> listens on by editing /etc/default/dhcp3-server. Although I can't say > >> for certain, I'm willing to bet on a RH-based system, you would find > >> similar settings under /etc/sysconfig/dhcpsomething. Once you do that, > >> configure up the scope for the external side and you'll be good to go. > >> > > > > it's /etc/dhcpd.conf on redhat systems. > > > > > And I believe that as long as you have a scope configured for each > subnet, it will default to being "on" for every interface in the system > and will hand out IPs from the proper scope based on which > interface/subnet the DHCP Discover message came from. > > -A > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- ::twistedPickles:: : From aaron at aaronhackney.com Mon Oct 1 17:20:06 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Mon Oct 1 17:20:08 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] dhcpd help In-Reply-To: References: <47012A3C.3060606@rugmonster.org> <20071001172702.GB15130@bybent.com> <470166BF.6090600@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <47017296.8020302@aaronhackney.com> twistedpickles wrote: > I run an FC distro and in '/etc/sysconfig/dhcpd' I have specified > dhcpd to listen on eth1. > > Removing the eth1 argument and specifing the correct subnets will > allow dhcpd to listen and serve IP's respectively on each subnet? > > > On other Redhat-ish systems I have configured in the past, yes. You can verify this with a netstat -an | grep :67 to verify (DHCP will listen on Port 67 by default, if I remember correctly, for DHCP discover messages from clients requesting an address...) -Aaron > Th4nks! > > On 10/1/07, Aaron Hackney wrote: > >> Wayne Walker wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 12:11:24PM -0500, Daniel J. Givens wrote: >>> >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> The ISC DHCPD can listen on as many interfaces as you like and serve >>>> addresses for as many subnets as you have configured along with the use >>>> of DHCP Relay Agents. >>>> >>>> I know in Debian-based systems, you can specify which interfaces dhcpd >>>> listens on by editing /etc/default/dhcp3-server. Although I can't say >>>> for certain, I'm willing to bet on a RH-based system, you would find >>>> similar settings under /etc/sysconfig/dhcpsomething. Once you do that, >>>> configure up the scope for the external side and you'll be good to go. >>>> >>>> >>> it's /etc/dhcpd.conf on redhat systems. >>> >>> >>> >> And I believe that as long as you have a scope configured for each >> subnet, it will default to being "on" for every interface in the system >> and will hand out IPs from the proper scope based on which >> interface/subnet the DHCP Discover message came from. >> >> -A >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > From benjamin.temple at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 17:50:45 2007 From: benjamin.temple at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Mon Oct 1 17:50:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <320464.92723.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> <320464.92723.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <368c881c0710011550l43f0b2cic1af974bb576b2c3@mail.gmail.com> no On 10/1/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > $0.50 > > --- Ben wrote: > > > Hello, > > I hve a *busted* Commodore 64 laying around. > > Includes TV Cable with adapter, > > power supply, box, and of course, the unit. I have > > to run all offers by my > > fther, so no guarantees any offer will be accepted. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 18:07:14 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Oct 1 18:07:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <368c881c0710011550l43f0b2cic1af974bb576b2c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> <320464.92723.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <368c881c0710011550l43f0b2cic1af974bb576b2c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0710011607t60edcfb5p3afbb7d482206c29@mail.gmail.com> $ 0.55? On 10/1/07, Ben wrote: > no > > On 10/1/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > $0.50 > > > > --- Ben wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > I hve a *busted* Commodore 64 laying around. > > > Includes TV Cable with adapter, > > > power supply, box, and of course, the unit. I have > > > to run all offers by my > > > fther, so no guarantees any offer will be accepted. > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > > unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Need a vacation? Get great deals > > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From dryicezero at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 18:08:03 2007 From: dryicezero at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Mon Oct 1 18:08:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Vote for Linux Hero! Message-ID: <319067990710011608p23cfe5cai713c9899f467ab5c@mail.gmail.com> Fellow SATLUGers, For those that don't know him, James Burgett is the owner of a large non-profit company in Alameda County, CA that takes old computers (that would otherwise be thrown away or shredded and recycled) and reconditions them, installs Linux, and gives them to people who are in need. He has donated these machines to many local schools, families and other non-profit organizations. CNN is currently running a poll to find true heroes in the community, and James definitely deserves as many votes as he can get. Please vote for him at the link below. Thanks, Ernest http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/cnn.heroes/ From benjamin.temple at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 18:19:06 2007 From: benjamin.temple at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Mon Oct 1 18:19:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0710011607t60edcfb5p3afbb7d482206c29@mail.gmail.com> References: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> <320464.92723.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <368c881c0710011550l43f0b2cic1af974bb576b2c3@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0710011607t60edcfb5p3afbb7d482206c29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> I am looking for at least $10, even then I have to run it by my father. On 10/1/07, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > $ 0.55? > > On 10/1/07, Ben wrote: > > no > > > > On 10/1/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > > > $0.50 > > > > > > --- Ben wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I hve a *busted* Commodore 64 laying around. > > > > Includes TV Cable with adapter, > > > > power supply, box, and of course, the unit. I have > > > > to run all offers by my > > > > fther, so no guarantees any offer will be accepted. > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > > > unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals > > > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From evergara at satx.rr.com Mon Oct 1 18:45:52 2007 From: evergara at satx.rr.com (evergara@satx.rr.com) Date: Mon Oct 1 18:45:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> <320464.92723.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <368c881c0710011550l43f0b2cic1af974bb576b2c3@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0710011607t60edcfb5p3afbb7d482206c29@mail.gmail.com> <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Repair it, and I might offer $10. Then again, I'd have to run it by my other mind first. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > I am looking for at least $10, even then I have to run it by my > father. > On 10/1/07, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > > $ 0.55? > > > > On 10/1/07, Ben wrote: > > > no > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > > > > > $0.50 > > > > > > > > --- Ben wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > I hve a *busted* Commodore 64 laying around. > > > > > Includes TV Cable with adapter, > > > > > power supply, box, and of course, the unit. I have > > > > > to run all offers by my > > > > > fther, so no guarantees any offer will be accepted. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________________________________ _____________> > > -- > > Jeremy Mann > > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > > > University of Texas Health Science Center > > Bioinformatics Core Facility > > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ From astro at astr0.org Mon Oct 1 19:06:45 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Mon Oct 1 19:06:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] /. Turns 10! Message-ID: <41564.208.97.132.181.1191283605.squirrel@mail.astr0.org> As most of you may know, Slashdot is turning 10 and they're sending out shirts and have a 1000 thinkgeek t-shirts and a ton of gift cards to every party registered. They're also giving away a $1000 ThinkGeek gift card to give away to the party that fits the "everyone wishes they had attended." I have setup a party entry at http://slashdot.org/anniversary.pl?view_id=221 Signup to attend and lets make this happen. It could coenside with a meeting, or possibly just be a time to get togather, have some beers and celebrate everything slashdot! The time/date/etc is all subject to change, so lets discuss and make this a reality, but you have to signup as an attendee so we can get some swag :D Thanks, Brian Lewis From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Oct 1 19:30:49 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Oct 1 19:32:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0710011607t60edcfb5p3afbb7d482206c29@mail.gmail.com> References: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> <320464.92723.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <368c881c0710011550l43f0b2cic1af974bb576b2c3@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0710011607t60edcfb5p3afbb7d482206c29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47019139.4090506@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jeremy Mann wrote: > $ 0.55? > You're being generous ;-) > On 10/1/07, Ben wrote: > >> no >> >> On 10/1/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: >> >>> $0.50 >>> >>> --- Ben wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I hve a *busted* Commodore 64 laying around. >>>> Includes TV Cable with adapter, >>>> power supply, box, and of course, the unit. I have >>>> to run all offers by my fther, so no guarantees any offer will be accepted. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Oct 1 19:32:15 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Oct 1 19:33:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> <320464.92723.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <368c881c0710011550l43f0b2cic1af974bb576b2c3@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0710011607t60edcfb5p3afbb7d482206c29@mail.gmail.com> <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4701918F.4030205@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ben wrote: > I am looking for at least $10, even then I have to run it by my father. > Face it... the only thing fitting for a -busted- Commodore 64, even with all the accessories, is to take it to the dumpster and -gently- place it inside. You don't want the noise to wake up the neighbors dog. Sorry... but it is so. From mark at mccoyfam.net Mon Oct 1 19:48:42 2007 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark McCoy) Date: Mon Oct 1 19:48:46 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] /. Turns 10! In-Reply-To: <41564.208.97.132.181.1191283605.squirrel@mail.astr0.org> References: <41564.208.97.132.181.1191283605.squirrel@mail.astr0.org> Message-ID: <52b0b33d0710011748w1611c302uc58909dc24a59a56@mail.gmail.com> On 10/1/07, Brian Lewis wrote: > As most of you may know, Slashdot is turning 10 and they're sending out > shirts and have a 1000 thinkgeek t-shirts and a ton of gift cards to every > party registered. They're also giving away a $1000 ThinkGeek gift card to > give away to the party that fits the "everyone wishes they had attended." I > have setup a party entry at http://slashdot.org/anniversary.pl?view_id=221 > > Signup to attend and lets make this happen. It could coenside with a > meeting, or possibly just be a time to get togather, have some beers and > celebrate everything slashdot! > > The time/date/etc is all subject to change, so lets discuss and make this a > reality, but you have to signup as an attendee so we can get some swag :D > > Thanks, > Brian Lewis > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > How do we sign up? As you will see from my Slashdot user number, it's hard for me to believe that it has been 10 years already! -- Mark McCoy - US Army Veteran - Professional Unix Geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From mark at mccoyfam.net Mon Oct 1 19:50:39 2007 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark McCoy) Date: Mon Oct 1 19:50:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] /. Turns 10! In-Reply-To: <52b0b33d0710011748w1611c302uc58909dc24a59a56@mail.gmail.com> References: <41564.208.97.132.181.1191283605.squirrel@mail.astr0.org> <52b0b33d0710011748w1611c302uc58909dc24a59a56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52b0b33d0710011750o500fc5cegad579ddf418ded7@mail.gmail.com> On 10/1/07, Mark McCoy wrote: > On 10/1/07, Brian Lewis wrote: > > As most of you may know, Slashdot is turning 10 and they're sending out > > shirts and have a 1000 thinkgeek t-shirts and a ton of gift cards to every > > party registered. They're also giving away a $1000 ThinkGeek gift card to > > give away to the party that fits the "everyone wishes they had attended." I > > have setup a party entry at http://slashdot.org/anniversary.pl?view_id=221 > > > > Signup to attend and lets make this happen. It could coenside with a > > meeting, or possibly just be a time to get togather, have some beers and > > celebrate everything slashdot! > > > > The time/date/etc is all subject to change, so lets discuss and make this a > > reality, but you have to signup as an attendee so we can get some swag :D > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Lewis > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > How do we sign up? As you will see from my Slashdot user number, it's > hard for me to believe that it has been 10 years already! > > -- > Mark McCoy > - US Army Veteran > - Professional Unix Geek > > Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from > revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from > accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent > with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower > Never mind, figured it out! -- Mark McCoy - US Army Veteran - Professional Unix Geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 20:13:26 2007 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Mon Oct 1 20:13:30 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] off subject for a second In-Reply-To: <470163EC.7060507@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <294cd3d10709281051tbb9b62mb8a68f700c97ce84@mail.gmail.com> <4701597C.3000803@earthlink.net> <470163EC.7060507@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <294cd3d10710011813l3b598514of70668dc2603f410@mail.gmail.com> the only thing I saw was a box of loose electron tubes, mostly audio stuff, some power tubes.. never saw the ham stuff... On 10/1/07, Geoff wrote: > > MK Davis wrote: > > I am interested. > > > > Mike > > > > w6gar@arrl.net > > > > country wrote: > >> Just had a guy come in here, wanting to sell an old tube type ham > >> rig, if > >> anyone might be interested, let me know back channel, and I"ll give > >> phone > >> number, he said it was part of the estate his deceased brother had.. > I already got the stuff, y'all... > > the radio turned out to be an old Hammarlund HQ-129 (in some -serious- > need of TLC) and a medium voltage power supply (5U4 style - around.. oh, > 500 or 600v, maybe) > > But, I think Mike/WN5PMR got the tubes. > > I gave what I thought was a fair price for the two items, and the guy > selling said "you can't do any better than that?" > I said "It's either that, or good luck finding anyone else to take it. > It's basically 50 and 60 year old junk!" > > so, I got it. > > -- > 73 = Best Regards, > -Geoff/W5OMR > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Oct 1 22:50:42 2007 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Mon Oct 1 22:50:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] 1TB HD $179.99 In-Reply-To: References: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200710012250.42206.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> I saw a 1TB external HD w/ case for 179.99 at costco on IH10 today. Looked like a good deal for a whole terrabyte. Unfortunately I cannot remeber the brand but I think that is a My Book. Todd From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 22:57:45 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon Oct 1 22:57:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] 1TB HD $179.99 In-Reply-To: <200710012250.42206.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> References: <368c881c0709301532r4eabbbfaw3093a388b11c80aa@mail.gmail.com> <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> <200710012250.42206.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <277020fc0710012057v5784e1a8xdd4527f942781599@mail.gmail.com> On 10/1/07, toddwbucy wrote: > I saw a 1TB external HD w/ case for 179.99 at costco on IH10 today. Looked > like a good deal for a whole terrabyte. Unfortunately I cannot remeber the > brand but I think that is a My Book. It's two 500gb disks in an enclosure. If you're a gambler, then you can use the whole terabyte as RAID0. Personally, I would trade disk space for redundancy and use it as RAID1. From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Mon Oct 1 22:52:55 2007 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Mon Oct 1 22:59:44 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: some dot matrix printers for auction In-Reply-To: <47015C28.7000101@shlrm.org> References: <47015C28.7000101@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4701C097.209@futuretechsolutions.com> Not interested in the machines, but thought I would add to this post a little. The Oki 320's are great little printers. They are still in production, so parts and ribbons aren't a problem to find. David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > In order to help garner proceeds for my Linux distribution, Source Mage, > a good friend of mine is going to auction off some Dot-Matrix printers. > He lives out in San Angelo, which isn't too terribly far, but it would > be a day's trip. This is, however a great way to get a dot-matrix > printer on the cheap :) > > > I have several (close to ten, I think) Okidata Microline320 printers, > and as far as I know, they all work, including a used ribbon. They use > standard 8.5" x 11" continuous feed paper. As far as I know, they all > work and the only problems that would be present would be the yellowing > of the plastic (i.e. no broken parts or missing pieces). The only real > use for them that I could think of would be for printing off man pages > and scripts and junk. > > What I would like to do first is auction them off to the highest > bidders. The proceeds will then be donated to SMGL. I'm a broke > college student, which means I don't have any money, so I'd also ask > buyers to pay for the shipping in addition to whatever they're donating > to SMGL. About the only expense I have to spare on this would be some > weekend time and some gas to drive to The UPS Store (or wherever I need > to go to ship a printer to a buyer). > > > You can contact Matthew Clark at matthewclark@inlesserterms.net . > Mention that you're interested in the printers and I'm sure he'll work > out the details. > > Just thought you guys might be interested in this, since at one point I > was, and I still have my 32-pin wide carrage Dot Matrix printer ;) > - -- > David Kowis > ================================================================== > | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | > | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | > ================================================================== > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iQGVAwUBRwFcKMnf+vRw63ObAQqcVQv+JgguSG5qZwv3oByZucz7NHH0OgU8hQq9 > gWp9/ZnJ1rMHJS4J+vN8HavRkZgeU11VNDVbRJ2nkr1IBgSrtZNkzlkaxCS+YykC > KEhhQdCZp6g2GSxyB46tAp3C3Xy90w5Bh76qqPxLMxq/mvhDqn7rPSyoF6enoDJQ > 0SWMh200qMBw2uEgZVG9bGfzbCSHsba3bDV0Yx4/IP5AB0c49oQhN7Bebgu28eLI > Qdjt/7tCpilCNjndI4rKrnhGuGYi4EIm15O08exH9eSy7frBIlRSj3GkDA8Ykklg > 0pZtMCaB+rpDfa66RrcRfmpeUKOCIrc/yO/G/lDneozS1ScZbLcH5qshV/DIOkGb > LXNZo1LdmbCmIknbmsEnRpcEGv7xFQm/Ds1mhupDWo/+m0Lg/Ln/s+8QjEmkDS6A > vRb5248Lvk+8ZXn1lQa5hqUgrAlYp2j9CL0gzYSxetJyJN+T+LYc/6wA4wBgWUfh > SrLkx+3Q7asmYQrlrwTcTrnBKZrmX9rg > =+XVM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 09:07:09 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 09:07:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <600828.2950.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Ben wrote: > I am looking for at least $10, even then I have to > run it by my father. Ok, thats it, I'm going to break the bank and offer you 57.91 japanese yen. I'm sure that is more then acceptable. lol. OT stuff is fun. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 09:09:22 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 09:09:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] 1TB HD $179.99 In-Reply-To: <200710012250.42206.toddwbucy@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <354752.59116.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- toddwbucy wrote: > I saw a 1TB external HD w/ case for 179.99 at costco > on IH10 today. Looked > like a good deal for a whole terrabyte. > Unfortunately I cannot remeber the > brand but I think that is a My Book. hmmm...not bad even if its two drives. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 09:11:01 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 09:11:02 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Vote for Linux Hero! In-Reply-To: <319067990710011608p23cfe5cai713c9899f467ab5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <676759.84732.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Ernest de Leon wrote: > Fellow SATLUGers, > > For those that don't know him, James Burgett is the > owner of a large > non-profit company in Alameda County, CA that takes > old computers (that > would otherwise be thrown away or shredded and > recycled) and reconditions > them, installs Linux, and gives them to people who > are in need. done. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 09:15:57 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Oct 2 09:16:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <600828.2950.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <368c881c0710011619ldc848j4ea38d4dfacfa0a3@mail.gmail.com> <600828.2950.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0710020715r270a2baeg208ebd0298de1a8a@mail.gmail.com> Hey, don't bring Yen in on this. I need something to go besides my Amiga ;) On 10/2/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > --- Ben wrote: > > > I am looking for at least $10, even then I have to > > run it by my father. > > > Ok, thats it, I'm going to break the bank and offer > you 57.91 japanese yen. I'm sure that is more then > acceptable. > > > lol. OT stuff is fun. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 09:17:40 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 09:17:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0710020715r270a2baeg208ebd0298de1a8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <367526.23865.qm@web55615.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > Hey, don't bring Yen in on this. I need something to > go besides my Amiga ;) woo hoo!! another Amigan.. which model do you have (specs also) ? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 09:36:14 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Oct 2 09:36:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <367526.23865.qm@web55615.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <79ec289f0710020715r270a2baeg208ebd0298de1a8a@mail.gmail.com> <367526.23865.qm@web55615.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0710020736m142932aar91c8208be98c08fa@mail.gmail.com> I'm happy to say its an Amiga 3000 with 2meg chip ram and i think 8 meg of normal ram (I forget what they call the normal RAM). I keep it around for running old demoscene demos and my collection of ancient MODs. On 10/2/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > Hey, don't bring Yen in on this. I need something to > > go besides my Amiga ;) > > woo hoo!! another Amigan.. which model do you have > (specs also) ? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 10:19:30 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 10:19:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0710020736m142932aar91c8208be98c08fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> chip ram and 'fast ram'. A3k.. nice machine.. I have quite a few, most in storage though. I recieved a free A2k w/hd that I'm cleaning up/fixing. I always keep my A500 for games etc, but EUAE can pretty much play all the games/demos I'd want to use. --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > I'm happy to say its an Amiga 3000 with 2meg chip > ram and i think 8 > meg of normal ram (I forget what they call the > normal RAM). I keep it > around for running old demoscene demos and my > collection of ancient > MODs. > > On 10/2/07, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > > --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > > > Hey, don't bring Yen in on this. I need > something to > > > go besides my Amiga ;) > > > > woo hoo!! another Amigan.. which model do you have > > (specs also) ? > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Got a little couch potato? > > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From aaron at aaronhackney.com Tue Oct 2 11:04:53 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:05:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> The C64 was my first computer. I begged and begged my parents for one for Christmas 1983. I got one with a Tape drive! I was in heaven. I mowed lawns all summer and saved enough $$ for a 1541 disk drive. I played games 24x7 on that thing. I got introduced to BBSing a short time later with my 300 baud (Yep, they weren't using bits-per-second yet lol) modem cartridge. I *LOVED* gaming on that computer! ;) As for the one for sale...it's worthless broken. Too light to be a boat anchor or a door stop ;) Alex Bartonek wrote: > chip ram and 'fast ram'. A3k.. nice machine.. I have > quite a few, most in storage though. I recieved a > free A2k w/hd that I'm cleaning up/fixing. I always > keep my A500 for games etc, but EUAE can pretty much > play all the games/demos I'd want to use. > > > > --- Jeremy Mann wrote: > > >> I'm happy to say its an Amiga 3000 with 2meg chip >> ram and i think 8 >> meg of normal ram (I forget what they call the >> normal RAM). I keep it >> around for running old demoscene demos and my >> collection of ancient >> MODs. >> >> On 10/2/07, Alex Bartonek >> wrote: >> >>> --- Jeremy Mann wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hey, don't bring Yen in on this. I need >>>> >> something to >> >>>> go besides my Amiga ;) >>>> >>> woo hoo!! another Amigan.. which model do you have >>> (specs also) ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > >>> Got a little couch potato? >>> Check out fun summer activities for kids. >>> >>> > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>> >> unsubscribe >> >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> -- >> Jeremy Mann >> jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu >> >> University of Texas Health Science Center >> Bioinformatics Core Facility >> http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu >> Phone: (210) 567-2672 >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 11:14:58 2007 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:15:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] dhcpd help :: resolved Message-ID: Thanks for the help. I removed eth1 from the /etc/sysconfig/dhcp and defined the subnets in /etc/dhcpd.conf. Then sudo /sbin/service dhcpd restart. All is well and working. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 11:14:49 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:16:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Aaron Hackney wrote: > The C64 was my first computer. I begged and begged my parents for one > for Christmas 1983. I got one with a Tape drive! I was in heaven. I > mowed lawns all summer and saved enough $$ for a 1541 disk drive. I > played games 24x7 on that thing. I got introduced to BBSing a short > time later with my 300 baud (Yep, they weren't using bits-per-second > yet lol) modem cartridge. > I *LOVED* gaming on that computer! ;) > As for the one for sale...it's worthless broken. Too light to be a > boat anchor or a door stop ;) I would venture a guess that there's not many people in SATLUG that have ever had to deal with 300 baud modems (I have) or, for that matter, have ever had to deal with setting up a phone modem. Show of hands, people.. who has known only broadband access to the 'net? From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 11:24:57 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:24:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <412910.53834.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Geoff wrote: > I would venture a guess that there's not many people > in SATLUG that have > ever had to deal with 300 baud modems (I have) or, > for that matter, have > ever had to deal with setting up a phone modem. > > Show of hands, people.. > > who has known only broadband access to the 'net? I started out with a VIC-20 and a VicModem (300 baud). Then moved up to a Avatex 1200 baud modem. Alex ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From comptech3 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 11:31:35 2007 From: comptech3 at gmail.com (Mike Ester) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:31:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <5fd31f1f0710020931l1fb659ecu1fb0def69d516516@mail.gmail.com> On 10/2/07, Geoff wrote: > > I would venture a guess that there's not many people in SATLUG that have > ever had to deal with 300 baud modems (I have) or, for that matter, have > ever had to deal with setting up a phone modem. > I remember when I was connecting to BBSs with a Tandy Color Computer and a 300 baud modem. Ah, good times. From albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 2 11:37:02 2007 From: albinoaardvark at sbcglobal.net (mike wn5pmr) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:37:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <470273AE.5070705@sbcglobal.net> Geoff wrote: > Aaron Hackney wrote: >> The C64 was my first computer. I begged and begged my parents for one >> for Christmas 1983. I got one with a Tape drive! I was in heaven. I >> mowed lawns all summer and saved enough $$ for a 1541 disk drive. I >> played games 24x7 on that thing. I got introduced to BBSing a short >> time later with my 300 baud (Yep, they weren't using bits-per-second >> yet lol) modem cartridge. >> I *LOVED* gaming on that computer! ;) >> As for the one for sale...it's worthless broken. Too light to be a >> boat anchor or a door stop ;) > > I would venture a guess that there's not many people in SATLUG that > have ever had to deal with 300 baud modems (I have) or, for that > matter, have ever had to deal with setting up a phone modem. > > Show of hands, people.. > > who has known only broadband access to the 'net? > > My 1st modem was a 300 baud, had just about every speed in between since then. Even though I'm on the most basic DSL available I hope to never have to go back. Even ran one time on 160 ? baud. Got to know one of the techs at the ISP I was using in Spokane, WA Had some minor trouble getting/staying online. While chatting about it we got talking about the old 300 baud modems. Some how the even slower speed came up and we decided to give it a try. Showing my radio roots it was very much akin to reading RTTY coming across the printer. Mike WN5PMR From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 11:37:23 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:38:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <5fd31f1f0710020931l1fb659ecu1fb0def69d516516@mail.gmail.com> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <5fd31f1f0710020931l1fb659ecu1fb0def69d516516@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470273C3.8080603@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Mike Ester wrote: > > > I remember when I was connecting to BBSs with a Tandy Color Computer and a > 300 baud modem. Ah, good times. > I started the "Electronic Avenue BBS" in the fall of 1988 on a 1200baud modem, a 10MHz XT, 20MEG half-hight harddrive and a Hercules CGA graphic card. That, after being 'on-line' for a couple of years... man.. electronic communication for 21 years, now. Tall cotton, brother.. Tall cotton ;-) From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Tue Oct 2 11:48:00 2007 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:46:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu><5fd31f1f0710020931l1fb659ecu1fb0def69d516516@mail.gmail.com> <470273C3.8080603@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <0b7001c80513$fe56d480$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> > I started the "Electronic Avenue BBS" in the fall of 1988 on a 1200baud > modem, a 10MHz XT, 20MEG half-hight harddrive and a Hercules CGA graphic > card. Oh WOW, I remember "Electronic Avenue"!! It was in my Telemate (and, after that, Terminate [I really liked Terminate!]) dial list! It was a San Antonio BBS, right? *sigh* The good 'ol days, BBSes. :) 386sx-20, 1200 baud modem, that's my first dial-up experience. :) David From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 11:48:33 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:49:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <470273AE.5070705@sbcglobal.net> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <470273AE.5070705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <47027661.6060106@w5omr.shacknet.nu> mike wn5pmr wrote: > My 1st modem was a 300 baud, had just about every speed in between > since then. Even though I'm on the most basic DSL available I hope to > never have to go back. Even ran one time on 160 ? baud. Got to know > one of the techs at the ISP I was using in Spokane, WA > Had some minor trouble getting/staying online. While chatting about it > we got talking about the old 300 baud modems. Some how the even slower > speed came up and we decided to give it a try. Showing my radio roots > it was very much akin to reading RTTY coming across the printer. Yeah, my first was a 300baud modem. Then, went to a 1200baud internal. Ran internal modems ever since. In 1989/90, the machine had 2meg of ram, and was running Desqview with three windows - the BBS, a DOS window and JNOS, running TCP/IP over packet radio (ax.25) on a Baycom Modem (Ramsey kit), hosting a convers server. In early 1992, a nearby lightning stroke took out the com port, the Baycom modem and disabled the 2m transceiver from transmitting. :-\ From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 11:49:14 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:50:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <0b7001c80513$fe56d480$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu><5fd31f1f0710020931l1fb659ecu1fb0def69d516516@mail.gmail.com> <470273C3.8080603@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <0b7001c80513$fe56d480$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> Message-ID: <4702768A.7020608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> David Salisbury wrote: >> I started the "Electronic Avenue BBS" in the fall of 1988 on a >> 1200baud modem, a 10MHz XT, 20MEG half-hight harddrive and a Hercules >> CGA graphic card. > > Oh WOW, I remember "Electronic Avenue"!! It was in my Telemate (and, > after that, Terminate [I really liked Terminate!]) dial list! It was > a San Antonio BBS, right? *sigh* The good 'ol days, BBSes. :) > 386sx-20, 1200 baud modem, that's my first dial-up experience. :) Yup - that was me. I remember you, Dave :) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 11:58:26 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:58:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <5fd31f1f0710020931l1fb659ecu1fb0def69d516516@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <136835.27355.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Mike Ester wrote: >> I remember when I was connecting to BBSs with a > Tandy Color Computer and a > 300 baud modem. Ah, good times. no joke. those were really the times.. the 80's-early 90's when computing was fun and something new was coming out that was just better that what you have. Something to look forward to... nowadays nothing really does that for me in the computing world. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Tue Oct 2 11:59:42 2007 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan L. Lesmerises) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:59:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <470278FE.6060308@satx.rr.com> 8MHz Zenith XT clone, 256k RAM, amber CGA monitor, dual floppies (no HD), and I waited until the 1200 baud modems came out before coughing up $ for a modem (I was on a limited budget & had so save up for it). I just had a crazy realization -- my cell phone has better resolution than my first computer, and the cell phone is color besides. And more memory all around ... Geoff wrote: > Aaron Hackney wrote: >> The C64 was my first computer. I begged and begged my parents for one >> for Christmas 1983. I got one with a Tape drive! I was in heaven. I >> mowed lawns all summer and saved enough $$ for a 1541 disk drive. I >> played games 24x7 on that thing. I got introduced to BBSing a short >> time later with my 300 baud (Yep, they weren't using bits-per-second >> yet lol) modem cartridge. >> I *LOVED* gaming on that computer! ;) >> As for the one for sale...it's worthless broken. Too light to be a >> boat anchor or a door stop ;) > > I would venture a guess that there's not many people in SATLUG that have > ever had to deal with 300 baud modems (I have) or, for that matter, have > ever had to deal with setting up a phone modem. > > Show of hands, people.. > > who has known only broadband access to the 'net? From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 12:00:27 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:00:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <4702768A.7020608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <606942.23666.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Geoff wrote: > > Oh WOW, I remember "Electronic Avenue"!! It was > in my Telemate (and, > > after that, Terminate [I really liked Terminate!]) > dial list! i used to frequent Flying Circus, Blitter End, Dreamscape. There are more but I just cant remember the names. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 12:01:06 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:02:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <136835.27355.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <136835.27355.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47027952.6040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alex Bartonek wrote: >> Tandy Color Computer and a >> 300 baud modem. Ah, good times. >> > > no joke. those were really the times.. the 80's-early 90's when computing was fun and something new was coming out that was just better that what you have. > Something to look forward to... nowadays nothing really does that for me in the computing world. > I'm there with ya. This workstation is a 1.8Ghz AMD (+2200) w/512meg of ram and a ridiculous amount of harddrive space and it does what I want it to do, as fast as I need it to. The Linux Server (to drag this topic, kicking, scratching, clawing and screaming back on-topic) is a PIII 733 w/256 meg of ram and 3 or 400 gig of harddrive space, and it's fast enough to keep ahead of the cable modem speeds... *shrug* how much 'faster' can computing go? From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 12:05:54 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:07:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <606942.23666.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <606942.23666.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47027A72.8070809@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alex Bartonek wrote: > --- Geoff wrote: > > >>> Oh WOW, I remember "Electronic Avenue"!! It was >>> >> in my Telemate (and, >> >>> after that, Terminate [I really liked Terminate!]) >>> >> dial list! >> > > i used to frequent Flying Circus, Blitter End, Dreamscape. There are more but I just cant remember the names. > Neon Jungle (Amy and Alan Moody). Anyone heard from them? Dreamscape was run by Justin Moore, and that was on an Amiga. He and Shannon Blackburn (Spacey, if you were around back then - she had Tranquility Base BBS up for a while) got married and I was able to keep up with them for a while, but have lost -all- contact with them, now. Oh, there was 'Our Town', "The Grapevine", "Port Brew" and What was the name of the system that George Brann ran? There are tons more than that, but I, too, don't remember all of 'em. Hell, I've -slept- since then ;-) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 12:16:12 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:16:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47027952.6040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <963752.96744.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Geoff wrote: > *shrug* how much 'faster' can > computing go? one thing that has me wondering is if I can get my system to be more responsive to loading apps quicker. Obviously as time goes on and people want a "pretty GUI" it all gets bloated. I wonder if the core 2 quad will be blazing fast whilst running whatever your favorite distro is under KDE or Gnome. I still havent built my new system but for $339 for a mobo+ core 2 quad cpu, it doesnt sound like a bad deal. what do you think of that cpu/OS combo? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 12:20:39 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:20:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <963752.96744.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <963752.96744.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47027DE7.9030703@gmail.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > I still havent > built my new system but for $339 for a mobo+ core 2 > quad cpu, it doesnt sound like a bad deal. > > > Where have you found a Core 2 Quad + mobo for $339? -- ================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | | Ron Paul for President! | ================================== From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 12:24:03 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:24:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <47027DE7.9030703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <328925.37841.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- pixelnate wrote: > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > I still havent > > built my new system but for $339 for a mobo+ core > 2 > > quad cpu, it doesnt sound like a bad deal. > > > > > > > Where have you found a Core 2 Quad + mobo for $339? http://tinyurl.com/29acgg ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Tue Oct 2 12:25:57 2007 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:24:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale References: <606942.23666.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47027A72.8070809@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <0d8d01c80519$4b634f60$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> >> i used to frequent Flying Circus, Blitter End, Dreamscape. There are >> more but I just >> cant remember the names. > > Neon Jungle (Amy and Alan Moody). Anyone heard from them? > > Dreamscape was run by Justin Moore, and that was on an Amiga. > He and Shannon Blackburn (Spacey, if you were around back then - she had > Tranquility Base BBS up for a while) > > Oh, there was 'Our Town', "The Grapevine", "Port Brew" WOW. Talk about a blast from the past. Seeing all of those names brings back such fond memories. :) I did some ANSI for Dreamscape back in the day, and Tranquility Base too (though I think I never showed the SysOp, Shannon, any of those, just did them for fun). Ha, it's really cool to know there's still a bunch of us from the BBS days out there!! Does anyone remember The Leech something-or-other? Lots of lines, got 14.4k real quick, no download limits.... can't remember right now. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 12:24:58 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:26:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <963752.96744.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <963752.96744.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47027EEA.4010602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alex Bartonek wrote: > --- Geoff wrote: > >> *shrug* how much 'faster' can >> computing go? >> > > > > one thing that has me wondering is if I can get my system to be more responsive to loading apps quicker. > Obviously as time goes on and people want a "pretty GUI" it all gets bloated. This is true, and it doesn't matter -what- OS you're running, this fact remains true: gui's consume massive amounts of resources. Period > I wonder if the core 2 quad will be blazing fast whilst running whatever your favorite distro is under KDE or Gnome. I still havent > built my new system but for $339 for a mobo+ core 2 quad cpu, it doesnt sound like a bad deal. > > what do you think of that cpu/OS combo? > Where DID you find the core 2 quad cpu for $400? If it'll work, then it'll work. Multi-processors are great, if you have enough ram to support 'em. I'd want a half-gig per cpu... From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 12:46:19 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:46:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47027952.6040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <136835.27355.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47027952.6040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <277020fc0710021046o45e4f3a4s481802334847215f@mail.gmail.com> > The Linux Server (to drag this topic, kicking, scratching, clawing and > screaming back on-topic) is a PIII 733 w/256 meg of ram and 3 or 400 gig > of harddrive space, and it's fast enough to keep ahead of the cable > modem speeds... *shrug* how much 'faster' can computing go? Personally I wish it would go a LOT faster, at least the cable modem part of the equation. It's embarrassing that 100mb/s symmetrical connections are available in Hong Kong for $50/month, while here in the USA we pay $50 a month for a crappy 384 kb/s uplink. From nathan at gvtc.com Tue Oct 2 13:01:15 2007 From: nathan at gvtc.com (nathan@gvtc.com) Date: Tue Oct 2 13:01:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Linux 3.00 and 3.00retro Message-ID: <20071002130115.6phy7f5z8ks0sgs0@webmail.gvtc.com> For the members following Puppy Linux, 3.00 is now out. There are two versions, a regular and a 'retro' for those that may have problems with the latest kernel. I have tested 3.00 on both my laptop and tower, starting with pfix=ram on the laptop since the puppy save files are on hard disk, and removing the usb stick from the tower that had the save files on it. I then rebooted both and let Puppy do an upgrade. Every thing seems to be working, I do not have a wireless connection point at home, so will test that on my laptop while at the Model Train Show at Live Oak this week end. There are a couple of known problems with 3.00, the kernel being the biggest one. We will probably see 3.01 as several fixes and updates on other packages come in from the people working with Barry. I would expect this within 6 weeks. http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/ is where 3.00 is at, it has not made it to the http://puppylinux.org/user/downloads.php?cat_id=1 as of 1 PM local (SA) time. Should be there in the next day or so. Nathan From e2eiod at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 13:07:09 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Tue Oct 2 13:07:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <277020fc0710021046o45e4f3a4s481802334847215f@mail.gmail.com> References: <136835.27355.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47027952.6040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <277020fc0710021046o45e4f3a4s481802334847215f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/2/07, Sean Carolan wrote: > > The Linux Server (to drag this topic, kicking, scratching, clawing and > > screaming back on-topic) is a PIII 733 w/256 meg of ram and 3 or 400 gig > > of harddrive space, and it's fast enough to keep ahead of the cable > > modem speeds... *shrug* how much 'faster' can computing go? > > Personally I wish it would go a LOT faster, at least the cable modem > part of the equation. It's embarrassing that 100mb/s symmetrical > connections are available in Hong Kong for $50/month, while here in > the USA we pay $50 a month for a crappy 384 kb/s uplink. > -- Amen! I wonder if it has to do with not having to work your way up from a 300 baud dial-up phone cradle modem over the finest telephone infrastructure in the world? The cell phone network overseas has more attractive features than here. From dpower at hal-pc.org Tue Oct 2 13:26:51 2007 From: dpower at hal-pc.org (David Power) Date: Tue Oct 2 13:26:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <606942.23666.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4702768A.7020608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <606942.23666.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c80521$cd9e6a70$0201a8c0@chubby> > > --- Geoff wrote: > > > > Oh WOW, I remember "Electronic Avenue"!! It was > > in my Telemate (and, > > > after that, Terminate [I really liked Terminate!]) > > dial list! > > i used to frequent Flying Circus, Blitter End, > Dreamscape. There are more but I just cant remember > the names. > > > I was using a mighty vic-20 back in the day. Hal-pc (of course) as well as The Realm and many others I don't recall. Some where around here I still have my COSUARD (The Coalition Of Sysops and Users Against Rate Discrimination) tee shirt, when SWB wanted to charge BBS operators commercial rates. If I remember correctly they went so far to propose that any phone line that had a computer hooked to it needed a commercial line. David From e2eiod at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 14:18:28 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:18:31 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Maker Faire in Austin - Oct 20-21 Message-ID: FYI... From another mailing list... For those unaware of the nearby event and those I've mumbled to about it, I'm driving down to Austin for this and it'd be great to see you there as well. The topics sound suitable to the people I know and a lot of fun. "Maker Faire: two-day, family-friendly event that celebrates arts, crafts, engineering, science projects and the Do-It-Yourself (DIY) mindset, including Swap-O-Rama-Rama, the King of Fling Catapult Competition, and Edible Austin's DIY Food." http://www.makerfaire.com/ Tickets are sold ($25) for either Saturday or Sunday and are cheaper ($20) if bought at the website before Oct 10. Or you can get a Weekend pass for $40, in advance, which I'm going for due to the number of exhibits. The displays are not just for us engineers - there are hundreds of exhibits for arts, crafts, engineering, eco-green, music, science among which are: * An altered reality laser-tag game built on modified Meraki mesh routers. * A Rube Goldberg miniature golf course. * Electric vehicles like plug-in Priuses. * Build your own CNC machine. * blues-in-a-cave musical experience * MIDI-controlled musical Teslas coils * Various robot combat events. * Kinetic sculptures, inflatable speakers * Flamethrowers - forced air, articulated and big fireball. * open-hardware laptops * and what we've been waiting for, the flying car we were promised long ago. From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Oct 2 14:32:43 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:32:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how =?UTF-8?Q?much=3F!?= In-Reply-To: <328925.37841.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <328925.37841.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:24:03 -0700 (PDT), Alex Bartonek wrote: > > --- pixelnate wrote: > >> Alex Bartonek wrote: >> > I still havent >> > built my new system but for $339 for a mobo+ core >> 2 >> > quad cpu, it doesnt sound like a bad deal. >> > >> > >> > >> Where have you found a Core 2 Quad + mobo for $339? > > > http://tinyurl.com/29acgg And Newegg has the retail Q6600 for $279.99 and I saw other places had them for two dollars cheaper. Those are cheap motherboards, but combos typically are. I don't like skimping on motherboards. I'll get less processor power and less GPU power before I would sacrifice on the motherboard, amount of memory, or quality of the power supply. That's just my opinion... Regards, Daniel From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 14:35:53 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:35:57 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> References: <328925.37841.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <47029D99.9080803@gmail.com> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:24:03 -0700 (PDT), Alex Bartonek > wrote: > >> http://tinyurl.com/29acgg >> > > And Newegg has the retail Q6600 for $279.99 and I saw other places had them > for two dollars cheaper. Those are cheap motherboards, but combos typically > are. I don't like skimping on motherboards. I'll get less processor power > and less GPU power before I would sacrifice on the motherboard, amount of > memory, or quality of the power supply. That's just my opinion... > I hear ya. Besides, I am holding out for a Barcelona Quad anyway. Nice price though. ~Nate -- ================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | | Ron Paul for President! | ================================== From e2eiod at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 14:36:10 2007 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:36:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Maker Faire in Austin - Oct 20-21 Message-ID: FYI... From another mailing list... For those unaware of the nearby event and those I've mumbled to about it, I'm driving down to Austin for this and it'd be great to see you there as well. The topics sound suitable to the people I know and a lot of fun. "Maker Faire: two-day, family-friendly event that celebrates arts, crafts, engineering, science projects and the Do-It-Yourself (DIY) mindset, including Swap-O-Rama-Rama, the King of Fling Catapult Competition, and Edible Austin's DIY Food." http://www.makerfaire.com/ Tickets are sold ($25) for either Saturday or Sunday and are cheaper ($20) if bought at the website before Oct 10. Or you can get a Weekend pass for $40, in advance, which I'm going for due to the number of exhibits. The displays are not just for us engineers - there are hundreds of exhibits for arts, crafts, engineering, eco-green, music, science among which are: * An altered reality laser-tag game built on modified Meraki mesh routers. * A Rube Goldberg miniature golf course. * Electric vehicles like plug-in Priuses. * Build your own CNC machine. * blues-in-a-cave musical experience * MIDI-controlled musical Teslas coils * Various robot combat events. * Kinetic sculptures, inflatable speakers * Flamethrowers - forced air, articulated and big fireball. * open-hardware laptops * and what we've been waiting for, the flying car we were promised long ago. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 14:37:06 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:37:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <424267.54802.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- "Daniel J. Givens" wrote: >> > And Newegg has the retail Q6600 for $279.99 and I > saw other places had them > for two dollars cheaper. Those are cheap > motherboards, but combos typically > are. I don't like skimping on motherboards. I'll get > less processor power > and less GPU power before I would sacrifice on the > motherboard, amount of > memory, or quality of the power supply. That's just > my opinion... why? what difference would a motherboard make other then features? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From masterr at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 14:54:57 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:55:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <424267.54802.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> <424267.54802.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14842c410710021254o6e06af6r44ee6a22b541944d@mail.gmail.com> I agree the motherboard is important. I've had more than a couple motherboards with flaky chipsets and/or drive controllers. And I can't tell you how many times a problem with a motherboard has cropped up but has appeared to be a problem with a drive or another card. It's sometimes just not worth the hassle to get a cheapo motherboard. I don't mean go overboard, but get a brand that can be trusted. Doesn't mean I haven't had good experience with a cheapo motherboard, so if you can find a good one, go for it, but don't pick the board exclusively on price. On 10/2/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > --- "Daniel J. Givens" wrote: > > >> > > And Newegg has the retail Q6600 for $279.99 and I > > saw other places had them > > for two dollars cheaper. Those are cheap > > motherboards, but combos typically > > are. I don't like skimping on motherboards. I'll get > > less processor power > > and less GPU power before I would sacrifice on the > > motherboard, amount of > > memory, or quality of the power supply. That's just > > my opinion... > > > > why? what difference would a motherboard make other > then features? > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 14:53:45 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:55:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> References: <328925.37841.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <4702A1C9.4040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Daniel J. Givens wrote: >>> >>> Where have you found a Core 2 Quad + mobo for $339? >>> >> http://tinyurl.com/29acgg >> > > And Newegg has the retail Q6600 for $279.99 and I saw other places had them > for two dollars cheaper. Those are cheap motherboards, but combos typically > are. I don't like skimping on motherboards. I'll get less processor power > and less GPU power before I would sacrifice on the motherboard, amount of > memory, or quality of the power supply. That's just my opinion... > According to my gurus, over in Spring.. that's the 'stripped down, Celeron version' of a Core 2 Quad. not really 4 cpu's on one die, rather a pair of dual's, sharing some of the same circuitry. I also found out something interesting about 64-bit processing... while there might be some 64-bit OS's out there, and -limited- 64-bit applications, as soon as the 64-bit CPU sees 32-bit code, it reverts (aka: falls-back-to) to being a 32-bit processor. Some of the true 64-bit processors will stop cold, dead-in-its-tracks, if it comes across even one line of 16-bit code. It seems, 20 years in the future of where we were in the 300-baud modem days, there's still lots of uncertainty occurring in the wonderful world of computing. There's no 'standard', therefore there's still a myriad of options. Options are good and permit a huge variety of marketing possibilities, but a few -less- options could steer us in a straighter path. The flip side of that coin is, the light at the end of the tunnel, might be a freight-train, running full-steam in your direction. I wish my crystal ball would clear up... at least to 10:30pm so I can see tonights lotto numbers ;-) -- Regards, -Geoff From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 15:01:27 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:01:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <4702A1C9.4040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <952200.72504.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Geoff wrote: > According to my gurus, over in Spring.. that's the > 'stripped down, > Celeron version' of a Core 2 Quad. > > not really 4 cpu's on one die, rather a pair of > dual's, sharing some of > the same circuitry. > well that bites.. but it sure does run well in some apps vs a core 2 duo. Maybe I should just stick to the core 2 duo for now. Does Linux support the quad processor and can utilize it properly? Or is it individual software that has to be written to take advantage of it? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Oct 2 15:05:14 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:06:41 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <952200.72504.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <952200.72504.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4702A47A.9030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alex Bartonek wrote: > --- Geoff wrote: > >> According to my gurus, over in Spring.. that's the 'stripped down, Celeron version' of a Core 2 Quad. >> >> not really 4 cpu's on one die, rather a pair of dual's, sharing some of the same circuitry. > > well that bites.. but it sure does run well in some apps vs a core 2 duo. Maybe I should just stick to the core 2 duo for now. Does Linux support the quad > processor and can utilize it properly? Or is it individual software that has to be written to take advantage of it? > I'll have to defer to someone who knows a little more than I do on -that- subject. -- Regards, -Geoff From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 15:16:18 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:16:29 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <952200.72504.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <952200.72504.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4702A712.7060005@gmail.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > --- Geoff wrote: > >> According to my gurus, over in Spring.. that's the >> 'stripped down, >> Celeron version' of a Core 2 Quad. >> >> not really 4 cpu's on one die, rather a pair of >> dual's, sharing some of >> the same circuitry. >> >> >> AFAIK, All the current Intel Core 2 Quads are that way. That is what makes the AMD Barcelona so appealing, (and why it was so late in coming) it is truly quad core, not a pair of pairs. Of course the performance difference isn't major (~3-5% I think), yet. >> well that bites.. but it sure does run well in some >> apps vs a core 2 duo. Maybe I should just stick to >> the core 2 duo for now. Does Linux support the quad >> processor and can utilize it properly? Or is it >> individual software that has to be written to take >> advantage of it? >> >> Depends on what you mean by "support it". Blender running on a linux box will gladly use as many cores as you have for rendering. You tell it how many processors you have and it will take advantage of them. If you are talking about the OS splitting the load evenly across the cores regardless of how the apps were written, then no. At least not yet. This is one of the things that is supposed to be included in the next version of OSX, Leopard. It is rumored that the OS will split the entire system load across all cores evenly. Perhaps the linux kernel guys will follow suit in the near future. ~Nate -- ================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | | Ron Paul for President! | ================================== From richard.maynard at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 15:44:03 2007 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:44:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <424267.54802.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> <424267.54802.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c5b55440710021344yb8edfebq6150db395cd006b7@mail.gmail.com> > why? what difference would a motherboard make other > then features? There are a variety of reasons I stick with quality motherboards, that usually aren't feature related. In addition to having standard/common chipsets like someone else already mentioned, there are a variety of factors to consider in motherboards. You can spend tons of cash on the latest CPU, the Fastest Memory, and the speediest Graphics Card, but what happens when the board that ties them all together can't keep up? Then your bottle neck is the motherboard. The materials used in construction, the actual construction process, the chipsets selected, the physical placement and design of the components, and other factors can have significant impact on the performance of a motherboard. Most modern motherboards probably won't be a bottleneck for your system, but you can certainly get better performance and stability with a higher quality motherboard. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Oct 2 15:45:38 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:45:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <4702A712.7060005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200710022045.l92Kjc7u018158@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Depends on what you mean by "support it". Blender running on a linux box > will gladly use as many cores as you have for rendering. You tell it how > many processors you have and it will take advantage of them. If you are > talking about the OS splitting the load evenly across the cores > regardless of how the apps were written, then no. At least not yet. This > is one of the things that is supposed to be included in the next version > of OSX, Leopard. It is rumored that the OS will split the entire system > load across all cores evenly. Perhaps the linux kernel guys will follow > suit in the near future. Linux will balance the load on the system just fine - it's only a question of the software you are running whether you can take advantage of multiple CPU's within one application. If the software is multi-threaded, or you use some parallel framework (mpi, pvm), you can use all of the procs in a single application, otherwise, the application will only use 1 CPU (or a portion of it). Any subsequent application will be shuttled to another processor automatically by Linux until all of them are used. Application here is used somewhat freely - it could be a system task as well. So, Linux supports multiple processor architectures just fine, but if you don't have enough tasks or multi-threaded software to take advantage of it it really doesn't buy you much. For me, just being able to run multiple CPU hungry applications simultaneously is often worth having multi-cpu systems. -Borries From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 16:14:36 2007 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Tue Oct 2 16:14:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <200710022045.l92Kjc7u018158@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200710022045.l92Kjc7u018158@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4702B4BC.9060908@gmail.com> Borries Demeler wrote: > Linux will balance the load on the system just fine - it's only a question > of the software you are running whether you can take advantage of multiple > CPU's within one application. If the software is multi-threaded, or you > use some parallel framework (mpi, pvm), you can use all of the procs in > a single application, otherwise, the application will only use 1 CPU (or > a portion of it). Any subsequent application will be shuttled to another > processor automatically by Linux until all of them are used. Application > here is used somewhat freely - it could be a system task as well. So, Linux > supports multiple processor architectures just fine, but if you don't > have enough tasks or multi-threaded software to take advantage of it > it really doesn't buy you much. As long as the apps/tasks are multi-threaded aware, which I would imagine most are in linux. In Leopard the entire load is split up across all available cpus evenly regardless of their threaded-ness. > For me, just being able to run multiple > CPU hungry applications simultaneously is often worth having multi-cpu > systems. > > I hear ya. I love hitting F12 (render) in Blender and seeing my cpu fully loaded. ~Nate From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Oct 2 23:53:25 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Oct 2 23:53:16 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <424267.54802.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <424267.54802.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47032045.1010700@rugmonster.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alex Bartonek wrote: > why? what difference would a motherboard make other > then features? Stability and longevity. Sure there are less expensive motherboards that are perfectly stable and run great for years and years. Without a doubt, more expensive mobos fail for whatever reason. Based on my completely unscientific observations, the likelihood of a complete mobo failure or onboard component failure is less with the higher quality mobos that tend to cost more. Problems with motherboards are typically harder to identify conclusively. I can pull and replace a card or drive quickly and those are typically easy to buy retail. If my motherboard goes out, I'm screwed until I can get a new one which could cost me money from lost productivity since I depend on my systems for consulting on the side. Depending on what I've got going on, the opportunity cost of my system being down due to the failure of inferior quality components could be far greater than the initial cost of a more expensive but reliable component. I'm not in San Antonio yet, so I don't know what the computer stores are like there. The two stores that carry motherboards here in Montgomery, Ala-sucky-bama, I would be hard pressed to find a motherboard that would work with one of the quad core processors or current memory any time in the next year. If they actually had one, it would likely be one of those listed in those combos or something very simliar, but priced at two to three times what they would be available for online. I think that is pretty much true at most local retail computer stores to include the Compusa's and such. The one exception I can think of is Fry's (and how I miss Fry's). I try to buy as smartly as I can because I don't build a new system every year and I don't like troubleshooting hardware or paying to replace it. As much as I would love to, fiscal constraints have meant I built my desktops with a 4 year life cycle in mind. If I can keep components like the motherboard, processor, memory, power supply and drives for the life of the system, I'm happy. Since I built my current desktop I've put in a new video card, doubled the memory (added to the original), and got bigger drives. My previous system lasted from mid-1999 to late-2003 with similar, minimal upgrades. I've had fans go out, a burner go bad, two bad power supplies and one onboard NIC die between two desktops in the last 8 years. Next spring, I'll build a new system, but that one will hopefully only have to last me 2 years before it takes over as server for 2 years. ;) Everyone has their opinion of what's important in a system. The intended use definitely dictates where money is allocated for components, but I would think stability would be a concern no matter what you are doing. I don't see spending more for performance at the cost of stability throughout the life of a system as an acceptable trade off. That's me, though. - -- Regards, Daniel J. Givens - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHAyBEMX8DRj/fwTgRAnruAJ4lCN7iy2PxBid5/+j7fc5rBiy6WQCgwDTB ZxQORRlYDTDsLekZJaUW+C8= =NixA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Oct 3 00:37:09 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Oct 3 00:37:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <4702A1C9.4040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <328925.37841.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> <4702A1C9.4040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <47032A85.1030209@rugmonster.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Geoff wrote: > According to my gurus, over in Spring.. that's the 'stripped down, > Celeron version' of a Core 2 Quad. > > not really 4 cpu's on one die, rather a pair of dual's, sharing some of > the same circuitry. The AMD quad-core processor has four cores on a single die, each with independent L1 and L2 cache. The Core 2 Quad line is two Core 2 Duo's sharing enough to go in a single socket. That is the solution, not a watered down cheap version. The Core architecture is just more efficient than the AMD K8 and probably the K8L as well. Technologically, the AMD solution is more sophisticated, but the Intel solution works faster. > I also found out something interesting about 64-bit processing... while > there might be some 64-bit OS's out there, and -limited- 64-bit > applications, as soon as the 64-bit CPU sees 32-bit code, it reverts > (aka: falls-back-to) to being a 32-bit processor. That doesn't make sense to me. For the 64-bit processors that can run 32-bit binaries, they would "fall back" to 32-bit for that binary, but they wouldn't be able to suddenly switch all operations to 32-bit and still run 64-bit binaries. I could be completely wrong because that is what I reasoned in my head based on no concrete knowledge of the way x86_64/em64t processors actually work. I've run 64-bit linux and run 32-bit firefox for flash and java as well as 32-bit mplayer for w32codec support. Things ran fine, though it was a headache to maintain 32-bit libraries and such. > Some of the true 64-bit processors will stop cold, dead-in-its-tracks, > if it comes across even one line of 16-bit code. Maybe, but not the x86-64 or em64t. 16-bit DOS and Windows apps won't run under x64 versions of Windows, but that's because the compatibility layer for it was taken out. > There's no 'standard', therefore there's still a myriad of options. > Options are good and permit a huge variety of marketing possibilities, > but a few -less- options could steer us in a straighter path. The market has standardized on x86 and x86-64/em64t. We have either Intel or AMD to realistically choose from for laptops, desktops, and most servers. We are seeing competition between Intel and AMD, but I don't think the back and forth we see is a bad thing. Bed time... Daniel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHAyqFMX8DRj/fwTgRAop8AJ9irXTGgoFsvw3i9PMPPgiYS7KW1QCeKcpo YKXKLwxsCDaW8by+p5eel/g= =B+bs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Oct 3 05:28:46 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Oct 3 05:30:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <47032A85.1030209@rugmonster.org> References: <328925.37841.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> <4702A1C9.4040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <47032A85.1030209@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <47036EDE.6080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Geoff wrote: > >> According to my gurus, over in Spring.. that's the 'stripped down, >> Celeron version' of a Core 2 Quad. >> >> not really 4 cpu's on one die, rather a pair of dual's, sharing some of >> the same circuitry. >> > > The AMD quad-core processor has four cores on a single die, > Right, but we weren't talking about the AMD. The difference in price is that the AMD and it's -true- quad cpu is that the AMD starts at over $1,000 wholesale. The stripped down, celeron version of it is the heart of this discussion, and it's ~~$330 >> I also found out something interesting about 64-bit processing... while >> there might be some 64-bit OS's out there, and -limited- 64-bit >> applications, as soon as the 64-bit CPU sees 32-bit code, it reverts >> (aka: falls-back-to) to being a 32-bit processor. >> > > That doesn't make sense to me. For the 64-bit processors that can run > 32-bit binaries, they would "fall back" to 32-bit for that binary, but > they wouldn't be able to suddenly switch all operations to 32-bit and > still run 64-bit binaries. I'm, just repeating what I was told by someone who works in the industry. The millisecond a 64-bit cpu sees a line of 32-bit code, the cpu reverts back to 32-bit > Bed time... I need coffee From afcasta at texas.net Wed Oct 3 05:52:01 2007 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Wed Oct 3 05:52:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1191408721.16354.5.camel@phrodo.texas.net> On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 11:14 -0500, Geoff wrote: > Aaron Hackney wrote: > > The C64 was my first computer. I begged and begged my parents for one > > for Christmas 1983. I got one with a Tape drive! I was in heaven. I > > mowed lawns all summer and saved enough $$ for a 1541 disk drive. I > > played games 24x7 on that thing. I got introduced to BBSing a short > > time later with my 300 baud (Yep, they weren't using bits-per-second > > yet lol) modem cartridge. > > I *LOVED* gaming on that computer! ;) > > As for the one for sale...it's worthless broken. Too light to be a > > boat anchor or a door stop ;) > > I would venture a guess that there's not many people in SATLUG that have > ever had to deal with 300 baud modems (I have) or, for that matter, have > ever had to deal with setting up a phone modem. > > Show of hands, people.. In the early 1980's I took MIS classes at the University of Maryland, but lived on Ft. Meade. To do my Pascal homework on my C=64, I bought one of those Z-80 cartidges that fit in the "games" slot, and ran the CP/M version of Borland Turbo Pascal, then sent in my homework via 300 baud modem. > who has known only broadband access to the 'net? That C=64's 300 baud modem was a step up from the Baudot acoustically coupled modem on my Heathkit H-48 when I was at Auburn a few years earlier. Al "so what if it took 10 years to get a 4 year degree?" Castanoli Computers save time like kudzu prevents soil erosion. From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Oct 3 06:52:33 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Oct 3 06:52:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Core 2 Quad for how much?! In-Reply-To: <47036EDE.6080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <328925.37841.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <52f090b6f0fc56b7a8e00ea523cf7288@miro.rugmonster.org> <4702A1C9.4040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <47032A85.1030209@rugmonster.org> <47036EDE.6080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <47038281.1030601@rugmonster.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Geoff wrote: >>> According to my gurus, over in Spring.. that's the 'stripped down, >>> Celeron version' of a Core 2 Quad. >>> >>> not really 4 cpu's on one die, rather a pair of dual's, sharing some of >>> the same circuitry. >>> >> >> The AMD quad-core processor has four cores on a single die, > > Right, but we weren't talking about the AMD. I was giving a contrast between the two. There was a whole paragraph after that. > The stripped down, celeron version of it is the heart of this > discussion, and it's ~~$330 By saying "the celeron version" of the Core 2 Quad, that would suggest that there is another that is designed differently. From everything I've read, every Core 2 Quad from the desktop line to the Xeons use this design. There is no better version. >>> I also found out something interesting about 64-bit processing... while >>> there might be some 64-bit OS's out there, and -limited- 64-bit >>> applications, as soon as the 64-bit CPU sees 32-bit code, it reverts >>> (aka: falls-back-to) to being a 32-bit processor. >>> >> >> That doesn't make sense to me. For the 64-bit processors that can run >> 32-bit binaries, they would "fall back" to 32-bit for that binary, but >> they wouldn't be able to suddenly switch all operations to 32-bit and >> still run 64-bit binaries. > > I'm, just repeating what I was told by someone who works in the > industry. The millisecond a 64-bit cpu sees a line of 32-bit code, the > cpu reverts back to 32-bit For the 32-bit code, it uses 32-bit compatibility mode, but there is little difference in performance for x86-64/em64t processors. The Itanium is a different story, but it's a different architecture altogether. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Architectural_changes) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHA4KAMX8DRj/fwTgRAtxBAKC/QanhowlqgAoHIIEMwdfl33707wCg0vN6 qrOxd7Yom+AaMop22pFNAUo= =bC35 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Oct 3 08:55:52 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Oct 3 08:55:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47027952.6040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <136835.27355.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47027952.6040908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <47039F68.7080106@rugmonster.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Geoff wrote: > The Linux Server (to drag this topic, kicking, scratching, clawing and > screaming back on-topic) is a PIII 733 w/256 meg of ram and 3 or 400 gig > of harddrive space, and it's fast enough to keep ahead of the cable > modem speeds... *shrug* how much 'faster' can computing go? My server is an Athlon 2500+ Barton (1.8 GHz) that I just put another 512MiB of memory in for a total of 1GiB. I don't know how long it's going to take me to get rid of it. That little box is such a workhorse running the base OS along with at least one virtual machine all the time, more when I need them. I call it my server based on its function, but it's really a little Shuttle barebones I put together. Still, it's snappy enough for what I need it for, mostly mail and network-based storage. On both of my systems, I usually see the most slow down from disk I/O. Sometimes it's the actual reading/writing and others it's at the CPU because of the controller. My next desktop will have lots of memory and a nice fat 3ware hardware RAID controller and probably running RAID1+0. I think that should do nicely to minimize that bottleneck. I do tend to run a lot of stuff at the same time, so memory tends to get eaten (stupid firefox) and when I really start moving, the drives will get bogged down. If it weren't for my current mobo being filled with memory and no 64-bit PCI slots, I could comfortably stay on this one for at least a couple more years. As rare as it is for me to game, when I want to, I know I can run BF2, BF2142 and most any other game that's out decently to very nicely. I would like to get at least a dual-core system and new motherboard so I can take advantage of PCI-E video and RAID controllers. Daniel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHA59oMX8DRj/fwTgRAriqAJ43GNUcAYxm0VIjrDf7JWMdRc0iqQCgkE4B bMcL09cOdArz63hxXwhCCbE= =RaZA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From richard.maynard at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 17:47:08 2007 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Wed Oct 3 17:47:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT- C64 for sale In-Reply-To: <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <439313.55118.qm@web55614.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <47026C25.6020807@aaronhackney.com> <47026E79.1030801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <2c5b55440710031547n18b562c0k8d3f81741addeb7c@mail.gmail.com> > I would venture a guess that there's not many people in SATLUG that have > ever had to deal with 300 baud modems (I have) or, for that matter, have > ever had to deal with setting up a phone modem. I started with a 2400 Baud modem in my 286. In addition to it's great CGA graphics, I loved that I could use the modem to get onto BBS's and play some door games. It was what really sent me down the direction of technology. I remember when Telix came out, with its integrated zmodem support for large file downloads I was in heaven. It wasn't long after that I was running my own BBS, well long enough that 14.4k modems were on the market, and becoming the norm. Made it to the internet not much later, a small hole in a dialin gopher server at a local University, then a telnet to unix.galacticomm.com (I think!) where I could FTP, and IRC, ahhhhhh the days! From riugakusei at aim.com Wed Oct 3 18:02:47 2007 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Wed Oct 3 18:02:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] kismet not running Message-ID: <8C9D428A64925BC-B4-A30@WEBMAIL-DC02.sysops.aol.com> am trying to run kismet on my laptop.. but its not working properly.. its telling me somehting about the drive.rs. can anynone help me out here.. where can i? get the new drivers for instance.? i am runnning open suse 10.2, wireless card Intel prowireless 3945 Heart:~ # !kis kismet Server options:? none Client options:? none Starting server... Waiting for server to start before starting UI... Suid priv-dropping disabled.? This may not be secure. No specific sources given to be enabled, all will be enabled. Enabling channel hopping. Enabling channel splitting. Source 0 (ABG): Enabling monitor mode for ipw3945 source interface eth1 channel 6... FATAL: Failed to set monitor mode: Invalid argument.? This usually means your drivers either do not support monitor mode, or use a different mechanism for getting to it.? Make sure you have a version of your drivers that support monitor mode, and consult the troubleshooting section of the README. Medar ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 19:12:58 2007 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Wed Oct 3 19:13:00 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] microsloth help Message-ID: <294cd3d10710031712x5ebd44casf03f7aee6b262fea@mail.gmail.com> OK, I've been fixing and upgrading a cpu for a friend, got the xp pro installed, but it defaulted to some password that does not exist. I've gone back through the install and when loading devices comes up hit the shift F10 and changed the password, let it finish and it still wants a password. Even when using the procedures above I put a password on it the system will not let me login... I know it's a microsloth problem, but am hoping someone can b/c me on this and give me a way to get it deleted or a simple password or something to get this finished and back to my friend.. help.... geez, what ever happened to magic mode hahahahahhahah Glenn -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 19:30:18 2007 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Oct 3 19:30:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] microsloth help In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10710031712x5ebd44casf03f7aee6b262fea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <429707.85823.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> so you installed XP fresh, entered a new password and your password is wrong? doesnt sound like a xp problem or one that I've ever encountered when installing XP. --- country wrote: > OK, I've been fixing and upgrading a cpu for a > friend, got the xp pro > installed, but it defaulted to some password that > does not exist. I've > gone back through the install and when loading > devices comes up hit the > shift F10 and changed the password, let it finish > and it still wants a > password. Even when using the procedures above I > put a password on it the > system will not let me login... > > I know it's a microsloth problem, but am hoping > someone can b/c me on this > and give me a way to get it deleted or a simple > password or something to get > this finished and back to my friend.. > > help.... geez, what ever happened to magic mode > hahahahahhahah > > Glenn > > -- > Ft. Devens > 138th Avn Co (RR) > HHC USASATR Ft Devens > 507th USASAE SPD > 138th Avn Co (RR) > 293rd Avn Co (SA) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 19:34:02 2007 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Wed Oct 3 19:34:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] microsloth help In-Reply-To: <429707.85823.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <294cd3d10710031712x5ebd44casf03f7aee6b262fea@mail.gmail.com> <429707.85823.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10710031734x64c9f525p7d6bfc9fefe465e7@mail.gmail.com> when I installed pro (upgrade from 2000) all went well tell last reboot and it came back and asks for password, and 1st did not put one in there, so did the backdoor on it and put one in there and added an acct with root access and neither are recognized by the system... can I format the hd and do a full install somehow ??? I'm really frustrated with it... On 10/3/07, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > so you installed XP fresh, entered a new password and > your password is wrong? doesnt sound like a xp > problem or one that I've ever encountered when > installing XP. > > > --- country wrote: > > > OK, I've been fixing and upgrading a cpu for a > > friend, got the xp pro > > installed, but it defaulted to some password that > > does not exist. I've > > gone back through the install and when loading > > devices comes up hit the > > shift F10 and changed the password, let it finish > > and it still wants a > > password. Even when using the procedures above I > > put a password on it the > > system will not let me login... > > > > I know it's a microsloth problem, but am hoping > > someone can b/c me on this > > and give me a way to get it deleted or a simple > > password or something to get > > this finished and back to my friend.. > > > > help.... geez, what ever happened to magic mode > > hahahahahhahah > > > > Glenn > > > > -- > > Ft. Devens > > 138th Avn Co (RR) > > HHC USASATR Ft Devens > > 507th USASAE SPD > > 138th Avn Co (RR) > > 293rd Avn Co (SA) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From masterr at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 19:38:35 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed Oct 3 19:38:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] microsloth help In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10710031734x64c9f525p7d6bfc9fefe465e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <294cd3d10710031712x5ebd44casf03f7aee6b262fea@mail.gmail.com> <429707.85823.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10710031734x64c9f525p7d6bfc9fefe465e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410710031738q7dbc7184v3afe53663458895@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried logging in with the username "Administrator" and no password? Often this is a hidden user with no password. If the welcome screen comes up you might need to bring up the NT login screen with CTRL-ALT-DEL twice to login to this user. Other option is to use Knoppix to actually change the password by changing the file that stores the hash of the file. I don't know the actual procedure to do this, but googling for "Change XP password with Knoppix" will probably give you the answer. Other than that, yeah you can do a reinstall. Just be sure you have the CD key first. On 10/3/07, country wrote: > when I installed pro (upgrade from 2000) all went well tell last reboot and > it came back and asks for password, and 1st did not put one in there, so did > the backdoor on it and put one in there and added an acct with root access > and neither a