From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Sep 1 01:24:03 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Sep 1 01:24:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need help...everything is popping up Linux! In-Reply-To: <2470980d0708311849v754fd380q886a596ac0aa33b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <345e55a50708310914o1a06e570g8b3d1a2484efb3fb@mail.gmail.com> <3F9CF0AF-B54D-447B-984F-D3555067344A@shub-internet.org> <46D8AC8E.6070604@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <2470980d0708311849v754fd380q886a596ac0aa33b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/31/07, Hector Bojorquez wrote: > Is everyone here very stoned.. or so independently wealthy that they can > scoff at job offers? If you're that hard up for work, then please do subscribe to all the relevant mailing lists in a hundred mile radius (or greater), where job postings would be appropriate to the list in question. This would certainly include the ALG lists at , the CTLUG lists at , the Austin Linux Enthusiasts list at , the Austin Linux Meetup Group at , and related groups in the area like CACTUS (Capital Area/Central Texas Unix Society) at and LOPSA-Austin (Austin Chapter of the League of Professional Unix System Administrators, see ), among others. Heck, you could even check out the Austin Sun Users Group (see ), because many shops have a mix of machines, and given the aggressive stance that Sun has taken towards moving everything they do towards Free/Libre/Open-Source Software, it would be a really good idea to at least keep tabs on them. Then there's the Austin chapter of the Storage Networking User Group (see ) which is going to be having their first official meeting on October 12th, but has already had their first Founders meeting, and looks to be ramping up to pretty high speed on some highly interesting subjects. So far as I know, they're OS-agnostic, but of course a large percentage of their systems are likely to be Linux, just because of the long-term penetration of that part of the market. I'm sure there are other groups in the area that I'm overlooking, these are just the ones that roll off the top of my head. A single job spam to a list of LUG members over a hundred miles away is nothing to get excited about. There's no need to go all "Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!" just because you actually managed to land a real live honest-to-goodness job spam message via the list. Getting hooked into other related groups in nearby areas and learning about multiple job opportunities as they come up (almost always from principals as opposed to recruiters), now that would be something to get excited about. For example, I recently had an interview for a Sr. Architect position at Coremetrics, where they have over a petabyte of data on high-speed rotating storage, and routinely saturate their 4Gb FCSW network for extended periods of time, have a world-wide clientele of some of the biggest names in the business, and they have many, many more interesting things going on behind closed doors. They ended up hiring someone else, but I got a good look at some fascinating work that is going on here in Austin that I never had the slightest clue was going on. And I never would have even gotten to talk to these guys, if I hadn't cast my net widely and sent out feelers to various different people in all the local groups that I know of. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Sep 1 04:12:23 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Sep 1 04:13:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need help...everything is popping up Linux! In-Reply-To: References: <345e55a50708310914o1a06e570g8b3d1a2484efb3fb@mail.gmail.com> <3F9CF0AF-B54D-447B-984F-D3555067344A@shub-internet.org> <46D8AC8E.6070604@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <2470980d0708311849v754fd380q886a596ac0aa33b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D92CF7.9050502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Brad Knowles wrote: > On 8/31/07, Hector Bojorquez wrote: > >> Is everyone here very stoned.. or so independently wealthy that they >> can >> scoff at job offers? > > If you're that hard up for work, let it go From astro at astr0.org Sat Sep 1 05:21:47 2007 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Sat Sep 1 05:21:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need help...everything is popping up Linux! Message-ID: I think that someone sending a *nix job offering to a *nix mailing list is definately not spam. They're not profiting off of it. Though nobody may have requested it, I, for one, would love to land a great job as an administrator, and if this was a lead that I followed that gave me that great job, then kudo's to the sender. Lighten up guys :P ------------------------ Brian Lewis Sent using alpine. From vern.davis at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 05:28:20 2007 From: vern.davis at gmail.com (Vern Davis) Date: Sat Sep 1 05:28:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need help...everything is popping up Linux! In-Reply-To: References: <345e55a50708310914o1a06e570g8b3d1a2484efb3fb@mail.gmail.com> <3F9CF0AF-B54D-447B-984F-D3555067344A@shub-internet.org> <46D8AC8E.6070604@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <2470980d0708311849v754fd380q886a596ac0aa33b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ef09f10709010328i458adb75l70be51e74824801c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/1/07, Brad Knowles wrote: > On 8/31/07, Hector Bojorquez wrote: > > > Is everyone here very stoned.. or so independently wealthy that they can > > scoff at job offers? > > If you're that hard up for work, then please do subscribe to all the > relevant mailing lists in a hundred mile radius (or greater), where > job postings would be appropriate to the list in question. > > This would certainly include the ALG lists at > , the CTLUG lists at > , the Austin Linux Enthusiasts > list at , the Austin Linux > Meetup Group at , and related > groups in the area like CACTUS (Capital Area/Central Texas Unix > Society) at and LOPSA-Austin (Austin Chapter > of the League of Professional Unix System Administrators, see > ), among others. > > > > A single job spam to a list of LUG members over a hundred miles away > is nothing to get excited about. There's no need to go all "Happy, > Happy, Joy, Joy!" just because you actually managed to land a real > live honest-to-goodness job spam message via the list. > > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > -- Aha! NOW I remember why I unsubscribed from the Austin LUG!!! You know Brad, since you're OBVIOUSLY smarter than (almost) everybody else on THIS LUG, maybe you need your own special "Knowles-It-All" LUG? -- vern.davis@gmail.com "If you're gonna do me wrong, do it right" - Vern Gosdin From afcasta at texas.net Sat Sep 1 08:59:48 2007 From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat Sep 1 09:00:33 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need help...everything is popping up Linux! In-Reply-To: <2470980d0708311637u4dde7760m2c931b32b444506@mail.gmail.com> References: <345e55a50708310914o1a06e570g8b3d1a2484efb3fb@mail.gmail.com> <3F9CF0AF-B54D-447B-984F-D3555067344A@shub-internet.org> <2470980d0708311637u4dde7760m2c931b32b444506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1188655188.7334.13.camel@phrodo.texas.net> I took a Solaris / Linux gig awhile back, knowing that the enterprise was using the End-Of-Lifed PCNet at several distant nodes. The most logical replacement was Samba, and it was a lot easier to manage Samba than PCNet from afar. Do I care what the users at these distant nodes are using on their desktops? Does it matter? I walked into the job knowing I'd be running UNIX and Linux servers and folks at the distant nodes would be using some sort of workstation on their desktop that I didn't have to maintain - all I'm taking care of is their connectivity and the security of the network shares they need to access, and keeping the servers online, patched, and in compliance with local security standards. I've helped one of the distant nodes set up their own Samba shares on Mac OS X, and the lead tech there's been replacing PCs with Macs where he can. I'm all for that, but to presume our PHd's would all dump the windows PCs they are used to just because there's something arguably better available invokes the condescending UNIX chap of yore. Al [top posting to follow Hector] Castanoli On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 18:37 -0500, Hector Bojorquez wrote: > Why is that an issue? I personally would never hire someone who was 100% > linux and nothing else. I've worked with people like that ... and let's > just say... it's embarassing when they can't even add a printer on a > Microsoft machine... This is a ridiculous argument... it's like being > autistic if we can't get along with the "outside" world... > > << > On 8/31/07, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > > Except that the Rackspace guys are at least smart enough to not > > include mention of Windows as a key component of their Linux jobs, and > > they don't subscribe to the list and then start spamming it and all > > the others in a hundred mile radius within minutes of their > > subscription. > > > > She spammed two different CTLUG lists, one of which was clearly > > inappropriate, and the main AustinLUG list, which is also > > inappropriate since ALG has a specific -jobs sublist. > > > > The only general list that she hit that was at least moderately on- > > topic was the SATLUG list. Do you honestly think that a spammer should > > get a free ride just because they accidentally manage to hit a target > > once in a while? > > > > -- > > Brad Knowles > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 31, 2007, at 11:14 AM, "Greg Willden" wrote: > > > > > On 8/29/07, Brad Knowles wrote: > > >> On 8/29/07, Shawn Bender wrote: > > >> > > >>> There is a difference between a spammer and a recruiter. If she is > > >>> posting > > >>> on the lugs in order to hire one of us , that is not spam. > > >> > > >> Spam is defined by behaviour, not content. Even if the content is > > >> something you do actually want to see, it can still qualify as spam. > > > > > > > > > The term Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) is a more precise one to > > > describe spam. > > > > > > > > >> Just because the other billion people on the planet didn't want to > > >> see that message but were not given the choice, but you did want to > > >> see that message, is not adequate justification for spamming us all. > > > > > > > > > I don't think that makes any difference in this case. > > > Many of us didn't want to see your whining email but we were still > > > forced to. :-) > > > Just because *you* didn't want to get that email doesn't mean it is > > > automatically spam. > > > > > > It was obvious to me that she was a recruiter. No biggie. At least > > > she was looking for Linux experience. Sounds on-topic for this list > > > to me. At lot more on-topic than some discussions I've seen. > > > > > > I don't see that much difference between Rackspace or other people > > > sending out invitations to apply for Linux jobs and what she did. > > > > > > Let's all just lighten up and try to be polite. > > > Cheers, > > > Greg > > > -- > > > To know recursion, you must first know recursion. > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From dkowis at shlrm.org Sat Sep 1 10:05:56 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sat Sep 1 10:05:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: <46D2F5FE.3030007@gmail.com> References: <46D2F5FE.3030007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D97FD4.4080303@shlrm.org> Samuel Leon wrote: > I need to get an email server up and running for a friend of mine for > business use. He has a ubuntu server box running all ready. Digging > around on google is not helping me much. I need to have pop3 access and > maybe webmail access. > From what I read there are 2 parts to an email server, the mail > transport agent and the pop3 server. The MTA for ubuntu looks to be > postfix and is already installed. I have no idea how to configure it > though. There doesn't seem to be much of a choice when it comes to pop3 > servers. Seems like everyone is just using dovecot. Is that a good > one? Anyone have any tips or howto's? Also I would like to set one of > these servers up for myself. I have a residential dynamic IP though. I > read that some ISP's and webmail providers block all email coming from > residential IP's. Is there a list of the providers that do this anywhere? > > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ That's a pretty good howto. It's for debian, but since ubuntu is debian based it should be pretty close > Thanks, > > Sam From hugelandmonster at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 11:58:50 2007 From: hugelandmonster at gmail.com (Michael Lloyd) Date: Sat Sep 1 11:58:55 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction Message-ID: <67186cf50709010958m6e534c02m47074ea9f538621b@mail.gmail.com> Hello, my name is Mike. I live in the Chicago area. I am a personal trainer by trade with a strong exercise/athletic background but also enjoy computers. One of my uber 1337 linux friends is apart of the satlug and he recommend I join. I think there is a lug here in area associated with Harper College but I subscribe and never heard back from them. I am currently dual boot Vista Ultimate with 7.10 tribe 5 32 bit (64 bit is to much a of a pain). I have a decent rig. Intel Core 2 Duo overlocked @ 3.2ghz (with plenty for head room if I chose to go beyond stock cooling), 2x1 GB ram, 750gb HDD, dual monitors running at 1680x1050 resolution each, 7600 GT (waiting for the 9800 series to come out this fall), keyboard/mouse Logeitech G15 and MX Revolution. I primarily used my Windows partition for gaming. Big Halo and Command and Conquer fan. So if anyone wants to play let me know. I would love to use one OS, but I am not 1337 like many of you, so wine and directx hasnt been to nice to me. -Mike From yatinhat at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 14:00:22 2007 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Sat Sep 1 14:00:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply Message-ID: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey guys, I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's near a resort and does lots of business. The snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. Any ideas gladly welcome. Mary From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Sep 1 14:05:38 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Sep 1 14:06:10 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46D9B802.1050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Mary Yatti wrote: > Hey guys, > > > I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up > free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's > near a resort and does lots of business. The > snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email > their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because > all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. > > Any ideas gladly welcome. Is there any such thing up there as High Speed internet, that's not coming from a Satellite? From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Sep 1 14:10:22 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Sep 1 14:10:38 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200709011910.l81JAMYD013307@biochem.uthscsa.edu> How much of an area do you need to cover? A small restaurant area could be well covered with a regular linksys router (about $50). I would recommend decent ISP service - not sure what's available in Bandera. If you are looking at a linksys, make sure to look at the wikipedia page for wrt54G(S) routers. You can probably get one of the older ones on EBAY. Version 1.1-4 have more memory and higher processor speeds. THis comes in handy if you want to do something special and want to run a 3rd party linux based firmware. I love my ver. 2.1S with 32 MB of RAM and 8 MB of flash memory. No limits on the size of the 3rd party replacement OS, and you can fiddle with it yourself. If you want to do anything fancy this is the way to go. Look at the 3-rd party replacement firmwares to see what you need. Tip: When you order on E-bay, ask for the first 4 letters of the serial# so you know what version you are getting. -borries > > Hey guys, > > > I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up > free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's > near a resort and does lots of business. The > snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email > their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because > all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. > > Any ideas gladly welcome. > > Mary > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Sep 1 14:22:19 2007 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Sep 1 14:24:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46D9BBEB.1080702@suddenlink.net> Mary Yatti wrote: > Hey guys, > > > I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up > free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's > near a resort and does lots of business. The > snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email > their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because > all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. > > Any ideas gladly welcome. > > Mary Hi Mary: I think someone else already mentioned access, but if you do have access, you are also going to want an access point with a guaranteed strong signal. I put in a link to an outdoor access point with a 400mw (milli-watt) signal. It makes things easier. HTH, Dennis http://store.microcom.us/wireless-lan--access-point---client-bridge--outdoor.html From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Sep 1 15:32:36 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Sep 1 15:32:35 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 port PCI SATA controller In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450708310805l7f5b824dw5a5df6b73fe5dccc@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0708310728y2e96b087gd8110b8de61777ab@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450708310805l7f5b824dw5a5df6b73fe5dccc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D9CC64.1060609@rugmonster.org> John Pappas wrote: > Obviously, running 32-bit has a lower ceiling than 64-bit. AFAIK the > performance of running a 64 bit card at 32 bit does not cause a > performance hit proportionally larger than the simple step down to 32 > bit causes. If that makes sense... I had always assumed that a 64-bit PCI card would not work in a 32-bit slot. That changes some plans I had a bit and means I might not have to spend as much money. Now I know, and knowings half the battle. (Yes, I was a child in the 80's... with lots of GI Joe stuff.) Seriously though, thanks John! From dpower at hal-pc.org Sat Sep 1 15:33:13 2007 From: dpower at hal-pc.org (David Power) Date: Sat Sep 1 15:33:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <200709011910.l81JAMYD013307@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200709011910.l81JAMYD013307@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <000301c7ecd7$52048460$0201a8c0@chubby> > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf Of Borries Demeler > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:10 PM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply > > How much of an area do you need to cover? A small restaurant area > could be well covered with a regular linksys router (about $50). > I would recommend decent ISP service - not sure what's available in > Bandera. > > If you are looking at a linksys, make sure to look at the wikipedia > page for wrt54G(S) routers. You can probably get one of the older > ones on EBAY. Version 1.1-4 have more memory and higher processor speeds. > THis comes in handy if you want to do something special and want to run > a 3rd party linux based firmware. > > I love my ver. 2.1S with 32 MB of RAM and 8 MB of flash memory. No limits > on the size of the 3rd party replacement OS, and you can fiddle with it > yourself. If you want to do anything fancy this is the way to go. Look > at the 3-rd party replacement firmwares to see what you need. > > Tip: When you order on E-bay, ask for the first 4 letters of the serial# > so you know what version you are getting. > > -borries > > > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up > > free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's > > near a resort and does lots of business. The > > snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email > > their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because > > all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. > > > > Any ideas gladly welcome. > > > > Mary I've setup lots of hotspots using the linksys routers running dd-wrt and open source Linux based replacement You would want the slightly more expensive GL model if you cant find something earlier than a v5 model (more flash and ram). Recently I switched to the buffalo WHR-G125 because of reported good results. The latest version of dd-wrt supports this and it has better receive sensitivity that the linksys, add a high gain Omni and it makes a nice hot spot. Its always tempting to crank the power up or use a high output card, I've found you need to calculate the line loss and try to match the output to the average client transmit power. Otherwise the clients can "see" the hot spot but the hotspot can't hear the clients. Big mouth hard of hearing syndrome. Good receive sensitively helps get around these issues. If you don't have broadband available for the backhaul you need to look at how close a line of sight shot to the nearest point that you can pick up signal is. I've done some 3 mile and better shots using standard gear, you just need a handy water tower or other very tall object to shoot to. Ill be lighting up the park in Fredericksburg again for the Renewable Energy Roundup next month. It takes 3 linksys routers with 9-18db Omnis and patch panels and a high gain patch panel and router in the fire station as a back haul to reach underneath all the metal structures there. http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php Hyperlink has been a good source of pigtails, antennas and other need bits for me. http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/antennas_2400.php David From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Sep 1 15:44:30 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Sep 1 15:44:26 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: <7B43EB22-F726-4DC0-B3A7-1330091082AE@shub-internet.org> References: <46D2F5FE.3030007@gmail.com> <7B43EB22-F726-4DC0-B3A7-1330091082AE@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <46D9CF2E.4030306@rugmonster.org> Brad Knowles wrote: > Dovecot is a good POP3/IMAP server (by all reports), and shouldn't > require much additional configuration, although you should probably set > everything up to use only encrypted/authenticated channels. I just setup Dovecot on a client's system last weekend. The documentation for it is absolute crap, even for FOSS. If you're only doing one domain, then it's fairly straight forward. Where it gets muddy is when setting up virtual domains w/ virtual users. I spent more time trying to figure out their documentation than actually configuring the services. > On the webmail side, there are many options. Some like IMP/Horde, others > like SquirrelMail, and I prefer TWIG. Have you tried Roundcube at all? I really like it and have been using it for at least a year or more. I'm in the same boat with sending and receiving mail. I have my own mail server and domain and store the mail here. I am on a residential connection though and can't receive mail directly, nor send it out. The solution I've found was to use my ISP's SMTP server as a smarthost, where all outbound mail is forwarded through their server. They don't care what domain it's coming from or going to, so it works. For incoming mail, I use forwards at the domain level. So my address gets forwarded to my Gmail account, since there's plenty of space and I can get POP3 access. I use fetchmail at the server to pull my mail down from the Gmail account. It then goes through my sieve rules on its way through Cyrus to my mailbox. I can then access my mail, fully sorted and spam filtered, via IMAP locally, or by webmail using Roundcube. Hope that gives you some ideas on how to proceed. Regards, Daniel From dpower at hal-pc.org Sat Sep 1 15:45:14 2007 From: dpower at hal-pc.org (David Power) Date: Sat Sep 1 15:45:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <46D9BBEB.1080702@suddenlink.net> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46D9BBEB.1080702@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c7ecd8$ff5ffbc0$0201a8c0@chubby> > Mary Yatti wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > > > I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up > > free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's > > near a resort and does lots of business. The > > snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email > > their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because > > all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. > > > > Any ideas gladly welcome. > > > > Mary > > Hi Mary: > > I think someone else already mentioned access, but if you do have > access, you are also going to want an access point with a guaranteed > strong signal. I put in a link to an outdoor access point with a 400mw > (milli-watt) signal. It makes things easier. HTH, Dennis > > http://store.microcom.us/wireless-lan--access-point---client-bridge-- > outdoor.html > -- I've had problems with the engenius if you try to get a lot of data (10 meg +) that's encrypted (you do want to encrypt your data) through them. If you are just using them to connect to a couple of meg uplink they work well and are very cost effective. I've found that a pair of the 3220 ext make a nice inexpensive point to point backhaul platform. As long as you don't try to cram to much data through them. From eli at then7.com Sat Sep 1 16:22:41 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Sat Sep 1 16:23:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need help...everything is popping up Linux! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1228.76.184.48.246.1188681761.squirrel@76.184.48.246> On Sat, September 1, 2007 5:21 am, Brian Lewis said: > I think that someone sending a *nix job offering to a *nix mailing list is > definately not spam. They're not profiting off of it. Though nobody may > have requested it, I, for one, would love to land a great job as an > administrator, and if this was a lead that I followed that gave me that > great job, then kudo's to the sender. > > Lighten up guys :P > > ------------------------ Brian, She (the headhunter) was here to make money. She fills a slot, she makes a percentage of the salary, or fills a quota, or makes a commission. To be successful at it, and compete against her fellow headhunters, she needs a larger pool of "heads". Surely you can tell the difference between a fellow SATLUG member posting an FYI on a linux job lead, versus a professional headhunter pimping the list with any-job-that'll-close-the-deal. That said, a small list or small forum is not greatly impacted by small/occassional abuses. But a large, active, popular list or forum will be negatively impacted, as the abuses are more frequent and are larger. If you saw my earlier message, you'll see that I explained to her in a "light tone" with smiley faces and all, that her type of peddling is usually frowned upon (even it didn't personally bother me) and that the harsh responses are to be expected. But I'm pretty sure I wasn't telling her something she didn't already know, and I'm certain her feelings were not hurt. If she had been insulted, she has truly picked the wrong career. I used to go door to door as a kid to sell schtuff. If I got my feelings hurt every time someone was mean, I would have given up on the first house! :-) Anyway...I understand some people's need to be nice to the polite cheerful sounding salesman who knocks on the door. I don't begrudge anyone that...as I do it myself. ;-) e From etillman93 at peoplepc.com Sat Sep 1 16:26:47 2007 From: etillman93 at peoplepc.com (Ed) Date: Sat Sep 1 16:26:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46D9D917.9050303@peoplepc.com> Silverheads?! I resemble that remark... (!) Mary Yatti wrote: > Hey guys, > > > I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up > free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's > near a resort and does lots of business. The > snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email > their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because > all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. > > Any ideas gladly welcome. > > Mary > From eli at then7.com Sat Sep 1 17:38:40 2007 From: eli at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Sat Sep 1 17:39:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <46D9D917.9050303@peoplepc.com> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46D9D917.9050303@peoplepc.com> Message-ID: <1286.76.184.48.246.1188686320.squirrel@76.184.48.246> I'm well on my way to become a silverhead, and I ain't even 40!!! =( ;-) e On Sat, September 1, 2007 4:26 pm, Ed said: > Silverheads?! I resemble that remark... (!) > > Mary Yatti wrote: >> Hey guys, >> >> >> I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up >> free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's >> near a resort and does lots of business. The >> snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email >> their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because >> all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. >> >> Any ideas gladly welcome. >> >> Mary >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 18:18:04 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Sat Sep 1 18:18:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction In-Reply-To: <67186cf50709010958m6e534c02m47074ea9f538621b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <980301.92562.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike is friend's with Travis M. and I. He's been trying to switch to Linux, but he's unable to get his microphone working for VOIP and dual monitors properly configured. He had problems with 64 bit Linux, so he switched back to 32 bit, but his microphone doesn't work. The alsa driver, and alsa-utils were compiled on his system to try to get sound working. Can anyone help with this? Travis and I play Quake 4 (runs native in Linux), so if anyone wants to play, let us know. Michael Lloyd wrote: Hello, my name is Mike. I live in the Chicago area. I am a personal trainer by trade with a strong exercise/athletic background but also enjoy computers. One of my uber 1337 linux friends is apart of the satlug and he recommend I join. I think there is a lug here in area associated with Harper College but I subscribe and never heard back from them. I am currently dual boot Vista Ultimate with 7.10 tribe 5 32 bit (64 bit is to much a of a pain). I have a decent rig. Intel Core 2 Duo overlocked @ 3.2ghz (with plenty for head room if I chose to go beyond stock cooling), 2x1 GB ram, 750gb HDD, dual monitors running at 1680x1050 resolution each, 7600 GT (waiting for the 9800 series to come out this fall), keyboard/mouse Logeitech G15 and MX Revolution. I primarily used my Windows partition for gaming. Big Halo and Command and Conquer fan. So if anyone wants to play let me know. I would love to use one OS, but I am not 1337 like many of you, so wine and directx hasnt been to nice to me. -Mike -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 18:21:59 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sat Sep 1 18:22:01 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: CENTEX homes (referal) Message-ID: <269479.18686.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, we're the "lucky" winners (no one else showed up) of a drawing for the last house in a CENTEX complex, while getting myself into trouble, signing documents, was asked if I knew one or two people currently living in a CENTEX complex that I would like to mention as referals for such sale, these people will take part on a drawing for a surprise present and probably some junk snail-mail too. if anyone is interested, send me an email with his/her CENTEX home address and I would give those names to the sales rep, once I pass information to the CENTEX people, that information will be deleted from my inbox and not used by me in any form. I will only use the first two, if any one comes in. regards, Enrique. -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Sep 1 18:23:37 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Sep 1 18:23:39 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply Message-ID: <15328edd58a445a38377e8ecf5cf7428.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >------- Original Message ------- >From : Mary Yatti I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's near a resort and does lots of business. ---------------------------------------- 796-7788 From travisimo1993 at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 18:58:51 2007 From: travisimo1993 at gmail.com (Travis M.) Date: Sat Sep 1 18:59:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction Message-ID: <46D9FCBB.2030502@gmail.com> Chris Lemire wrote: Mike is friend's with Travis M. and I. He's been trying to switch to Linux, but he's unable to get his microphone working for VOIP and dual monitors properly configured. He had problems with 64 bit Linux, so he switched back to 32 bit, but his microphone doesn't work. The alsa driver, and alsa-utils were compiled on his system to try to get sound working. Can anyone help with this? Travis and I play Quake 4 (runs native in Linux), so if anyone wants to play, let us know. Michael Lloyd > wrote: Hello, my name is Mike. I live in the Chicago area. I am a personal trainer by trade with a strong exercise/athletic background but also enjoy computers. One of my uber 1337 linux friends is apart of the satlug and he recommend I join. I think there is a lug here in area associated with Harper College but I subscribe and never heard back from them. I am currently dual boot Vista Ultimate with 7.10 tribe 5 32 bit (64 bit is to much a of a pain). I have a decent rig. Intel Core 2 Duo overlocked @ 3.2ghz (with plenty for head room if I chose to go beyond stock cooling), 2x1 GB ram, 750gb HDD, dual monitors running at 1680x1050 resolution each, 7600 GT (waiting for the 9800 series to come out this fall), keyboard/mouse Logeitech G15 and MX Revolution. I primarily used my Windows partition for gaming. Big Halo and Command and Conquer fan. So if anyone wants to play let me know. I would love to use one OS, but I am not 1337 like many of you, so wine and directx hasnt been to nice to me. -Mike Hey Mike, you should post the output of "lspci", "dmesg", and "cat /proc/asound/cards". That should help us greatly with your microphone problems. As for your multiple monitors issue, you should post "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". Maybe setting up Xinerama will help fix the issue... From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 19:08:19 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Sep 1 19:08:22 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] 4 port PCI SATA controller In-Reply-To: <46D9CC64.1060609@rugmonster.org> References: <79ec289f0708310728y2e96b087gd8110b8de61777ab@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450708310805l7f5b824dw5a5df6b73fe5dccc@mail.gmail.com> <46D9CC64.1060609@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <79ec289f0709011708h7974b267xa2dc401b06bef1ca@mail.gmail.com> John, the 64bit PCI card will plug into a standard 32bit slot but the 64bit section of the card will just *hang* off the PCI slot, unused. I've done this many times with problematic NICs. The only problem I've come across is in older motherboards. Its kind of hard to explain but...... The white plastic end of the PCI slot towards the back is sometimes not wide enough for a 64bit card to fit. You can force it all you want, it won't slide into the 32bit slot. In later models of mobos, I've seen the manufacturer cut an indention that will let you plug in a 64bit card. On 9/1/07, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > John Pappas wrote: > > Obviously, running 32-bit has a lower ceiling than 64-bit. AFAIK the > > performance of running a 64 bit card at 32 bit does not cause a > > performance hit proportionally larger than the simple step down to 32 > > bit causes. If that makes sense... > > I had always assumed that a 64-bit PCI card would not work in a 32-bit slot. > That changes some plans I had a bit and means I might not have to spend as much > money. > > Now I know, and knowings half the battle. > (Yes, I was a child in the 80's... with lots of GI Joe stuff.) > > Seriously though, thanks John! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 19:52:20 2007 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Sat Sep 1 19:52:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction In-Reply-To: <46D9FCBB.2030502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <170977.68611.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Travis M." wrote: Chris Lemire wrote: Mike is friend's with Travis M. and I. He's been trying to switch to Linux, but he's unable to get his microphone working for VOIP and dual monitors properly configured. He had problems with 64 bit Linux, so he switched back to 32 bit, but his microphone doesn't work. The alsa driver, and alsa-utils were compiled on his system to try to get sound working. Can anyone help with this? Travis and I play Quake 4 (runs native in Linux), so if anyone wants to play, let us know. Michael Lloyd > wrote: Hello, my name is Mike. I live in the Chicago area. I am a personal trainer by trade with a strong exercise/athletic background but also enjoy computers. One of my uber 1337 linux friends is apart of the satlug and he recommend I join. I think there is a lug here in area associated with Harper College but I subscribe and never heard back from them. I am currently dual boot Vista Ultimate with 7.10 tribe 5 32 bit (64 bit is to much a of a pain). I have a decent rig. Intel Core 2 Duo overlocked @ 3.2ghz (with plenty for head room if I chose to go beyond stock cooling), 2x1 GB ram, 750gb HDD, dual monitors running at 1680x1050 resolution each, 7600 GT (waiting for the 9800 series to come out this fall), keyboard/mouse Logeitech G15 and MX Revolution. I primarily used my Windows partition for gaming. Big Halo and Command and Conquer fan. So if anyone wants to play let me know. I would love to use one OS, but I am not 1337 like many of you, so wine and directx hasnt been to nice to me. -Mike Hey Mike, you should post the output of "lspci", "dmesg", and "cat /proc/asound/cards". That should help us greatly with your microphone problems. As for your multiple monitors issue, you should post "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". Maybe setting up Xinerama will help fix the issue... -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Also run this script. http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. From leon36 at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 21:51:16 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Sat Sep 1 21:51:25 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: <46D9CF2E.4030306@rugmonster.org> References: <46D2F5FE.3030007@gmail.com> <7B43EB22-F726-4DC0-B3A7-1330091082AE@shub-internet.org> <46D9CF2E.4030306@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <46DA2524.3090702@gmail.com> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: >> Dovecot is a good POP3/IMAP server (by all reports), and shouldn't >> require much additional configuration, although you should probably >> set everything up to use only encrypted/authenticated channels. > > I just setup Dovecot on a client's system last weekend. The > documentation for it is absolute crap, even for FOSS. If you're only > doing one domain, then it's fairly straight forward. Where it gets > muddy is when setting up virtual domains w/ virtual users. I spent > more time trying to figure out their documentation than actually > configuring the services. > >> On the webmail side, there are many options. Some like IMP/Horde, >> others like SquirrelMail, and I prefer TWIG. > > Have you tried Roundcube at all? I really like it and have been using > it for at least a year or more. > > I'm in the same boat with sending and receiving mail. I have my own > mail server and domain and store the mail here. I am on a residential > connection though and can't receive mail directly, nor send it out. > The solution I've found was to use my ISP's SMTP server as a > smarthost, where all outbound mail is forwarded through their server. > They don't care what domain it's coming from or going to, so it works. > > For incoming mail, I use forwards at the domain level. So my address > gets forwarded to my Gmail account, since there's plenty of space and > I can get POP3 access. I use fetchmail at the server to pull my mail > down from the Gmail account. It then goes through my sieve rules on > its way through Cyrus to my mailbox. I can then access my mail, fully > sorted and spam filtered, via IMAP locally, or by webmail using > Roundcube. > > Hope that gives you some ideas on how to proceed. > > Regards, > Daniel Thanks guys I will look into this. I am sure I will have more questions as I get further along. Sam From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:09:26 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Sep 1 22:07:53 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Portable mp3 players and linux Message-ID: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> I'm interested in finding a relatively inexpensive portable mp3 player for jogging and walking. I really don't know much about the hardware players. I know that the .mp3 format is a compressed audio format (actually misnamed because the format is MPEG 1 Level 3, not MPEG 3). I see that I can create .mp3 files from .wav files with LAME and can download free (or not) .mp3 files from the internet. I can rip a CD I own to .wav files with cdparanoia. All this means that I really don't have a problem getting the content. The functionality of a mp3 player would seem to me to be fairly simple. I was looking at the store today and saw several players. My question is how can I manage the .mp3 files on the portable player with linux? Is is as simple as mounting via usb or firewire (IEEE 1394) or is there something else? I'm not really interested in an ipod because it seems to be too expensive, but there do seem to be some players in the $40 range available. Any recommendations would be appreciated. -- Bruce From leon36 at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:24:12 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Sat Sep 1 22:24:17 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <000401c7ecd8$ff5ffbc0$0201a8c0@chubby> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46D9BBEB.1080702@suddenlink.net> <000401c7ecd8$ff5ffbc0$0201a8c0@chubby> Message-ID: <46DA2CDC.9050105@gmail.com> David Power wrote: >> Mary Yatti wrote: >> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> >>> I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up >>> free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's >>> near a resort and does lots of business. The >>> snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email >>> their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because >>> all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. >>> >>> Any ideas gladly welcome. >>> >>> Mary >>> >> Hi Mary: >> >> I think someone else already mentioned access, but if you do have >> access, you are also going to want an access point with a guaranteed >> strong signal. I put in a link to an outdoor access point with a 400mw >> (milli-watt) signal. It makes things easier. HTH, Dennis >> >> http://store.microcom.us/wireless-lan--access-point---client-bridge-- >> outdoor.html >> -- >> > > I've had problems with the engenius if you try to get a lot of data (10 meg > +) that's encrypted (you do want to encrypt your data) through them. > If you are just using them to connect to a couple of meg uplink they work > well and are very cost effective. > I've found that a pair of the 3220 ext make a nice inexpensive point to > point backhaul platform. As long as you don't try to cram to much data > through them. > > Speaking of security, I have a question. Are there any applications/tools available to help prevent people from running ARP spoofing attacks inside a wireless lan? I find that this is a common method for gathering user names and passwords. There are many simple GUI apps out there that make these style of attacks/packet sniffing very easy to carry out. There used to be a video on a website of a guy running ettercap and sniffing out user names and passwords from various SSL protected webmail sites. I can't find the video now though. It totally blew my mind the first time I saw it. I am just wondering if there would be a way to automatically black list a MAC once it is detected to be running in promiscuous mode or something? I am guessing that there would be no way to blacklist the *right* MAC once an ARP spoof attack has been detected? Anyone have any info on this? I thought about running my own public hotspot before but I feel bad knowing that I wouldn't know how to properly protect my clients from such attacks. Sam From parspe at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:38:04 2007 From: parspe at hotmail.com (Patrick P) Date: Sat Sep 1 22:38:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: <20070902030754.F26CB43EB1D@satlug.org> References: <20070902030754.F26CB43EB1D@satlug.org> Message-ID: I missed the question, but I have the following input to add. Qmail is the most secure smt server. Qpopper is very easy to install and setup for pop3 - http://www.eudora.com/products/unsupported/qpopper/index.html Horde is great for webmail if you want your users to have all of the bells and whistles. Squirrelmail is great if you want something lightweight. _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 1 22:45:54 2007 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan L. Lesmerises) Date: Sat Sep 1 22:45:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Portable mp3 players and linux In-Reply-To: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> References: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DA31F2.8000902@satx.rr.com> I had been looking at some as well, and the 'Creative' brand seem to have a pretty good track record, features, etc. PC Magazine's web site has reviews for a large number of models and brands. However, since OGG Vorbis is more readily supported under Linux, and there are several models of portable music players out now that play OGG format music files, maybe that might be a better route to go. That's what I'm thinking now ... Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I'm interested in finding a relatively inexpensive portable mp3 player > for jogging and walking. I really don't know much about the hardware > players. I know that the .mp3 format is a compressed audio format > (actually misnamed because the format is MPEG 1 Level 3, not MPEG 3). > > I see that I can create .mp3 files from .wav files with LAME and can > download free (or not) .mp3 files from the internet. I can rip a CD I > own to .wav files with cdparanoia. All this means that I really don't > have a problem getting the content. > > The functionality of a mp3 player would seem to me to be fairly simple. > I was looking at the store today and saw several players. My question > is how can I manage the .mp3 files on the portable player with linux? > Is is as simple as mounting via usb or firewire (IEEE 1394) or is there > something else? > > I'm not really interested in an ipod because it seems to be too > expensive, but there do seem to be some players in the $40 range > available. Any recommendations would be appreciated. > > -- Bruce > > > From pholland64 at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:45:48 2007 From: pholland64 at gmail.com (Peter Holland) Date: Sat Sep 1 22:45:54 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Portable mp3 players and linux In-Reply-To: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> References: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c3c1c6f0709012045o28dc4b56o43a4868f666da778@mail.gmail.com> I had bought a MuVo by Creative Labs When I plug it in through USB In either Linux (i have used PCLinux OS & Open Suse 10.2) or the evil nameless imperial OS The Box sees it as a USB drive and I just drag and drop my music till it is full it plays just fine most my stuff I tried in it was either mp3 wma my muvo was not too expensive I think I paid less then $40 it is hard to find now it don't play movies and stuff so kids don't buy it dumb kids the one I got has an FM radio in it not bad except deep inside a few building and on elevators at UTSA hope this helps Peter Holland On 9/1/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I'm interested in finding a relatively inexpensive portable mp3 player > for jogging and walking. I really don't know much about the hardware > players. I know that the .mp3 format is a compressed audio format > (actually misnamed because the format is MPEG 1 Level 3, not MPEG 3). > > I see that I can create .mp3 files from .wav files with LAME and can > download free (or not) .mp3 files from the internet. I can rip a CD I > own to .wav files with cdparanoia. All this means that I really don't > have a problem getting the content. > > The functionality of a mp3 player would seem to me to be fairly simple. > I was looking at the store today and saw several players. My question > is how can I manage the .mp3 files on the portable player with linux? > Is is as simple as mounting via usb or firewire (IEEE 1394) or is there > something else? > > I'm not really interested in an ipod because it seems to be too > expensive, but there do seem to be some players in the $40 range > available. Any recommendations would be appreciated. > > -- Bruce > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:51:50 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Sep 1 22:50:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <46DA2CDC.9050105@gmail.com> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46D9BBEB.1080702@suddenlink.net> <000401c7ecd8$ff5ffbc0$0201a8c0@chubby> <46DA2CDC.9050105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DA3356.8020707@gmail.com> Samuel Leon wrote: > Speaking of security, I have a question. Are there any > applications/tools available to help prevent people from running ARP > spoofing attacks inside a wireless lan? I find that this is a common > method for gathering user names and passwords. There are many simple > GUI apps out there that make these style of attacks/packet sniffing very > easy to carry out. There used to be a video on a website of a guy > running ettercap and sniffing out user names and passwords from various > SSL protected webmail sites. I don't know how sniffing at the Link level is any different from the Network level. If you can read the frames, you can read the packets. The only difference is the data link header and trailer which has no security info. The comment about sniffing names/passwords over SSL just doesn't ring true. The encryption is done before the packet is encapsulated. The listener would have to be able to crack the encryption to get any useful info. -- Bruce From victor.trevino at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 00:19:48 2007 From: victor.trevino at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Sun Sep 2 00:19:50 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: <20070902030754.F26CB43EB1D@satlug.org> Message-ID: I use sendmail, dovecot, and milter-dk on my mail server. It works great. From mark at mccoyfam.net Sun Sep 2 01:17:33 2007 From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark McCoy) Date: Sun Sep 2 01:17:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Portable mp3 players and linux In-Reply-To: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> References: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52b0b33d0709012317h361bdb69l1d626e935192d6af@mail.gmail.com> On 9/1/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I'm interested in finding a relatively inexpensive portable mp3 player > for jogging and walking. I really don't know much about the hardware > players. I know that the .mp3 format is a compressed audio format > (actually misnamed because the format is MPEG 1 Level 3, not MPEG 3). > > I see that I can create .mp3 files from .wav files with LAME and can > download free (or not) .mp3 files from the internet. I can rip a CD I > own to .wav files with cdparanoia. All this means that I really don't > have a problem getting the content. > > The functionality of a mp3 player would seem to me to be fairly simple. > I was looking at the store today and saw several players. My question > is how can I manage the .mp3 files on the portable player with linux? > Is is as simple as mounting via usb or firewire (IEEE 1394) or is there > something else? > > I'm not really interested in an ipod because it seems to be too > expensive, but there do seem to be some players in the $40 range > available. Any recommendations would be appreciated. > > -- Bruce > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Make sure that you stay away from *anything* with a "Plays for Sure" logo on it. These are products that follow Microsoft's onerous rules designed to lock the player to Windows XP/Vista. In some cases, a "Plays for Sure" player will not even charge over the USB port if it is not plugged into a Windows PC!! I had a really sweet player from iRiver that did that. I returned it immediately. Your best bet is to get a player that doesn't require any software to be installed at all to manage your "library" on the player, and that just looks like a thumb drive that you can copy mp3 files to. Barring that, I have been surprisingly happy with my iPod Nano. It seems that the iPod is more "cross-platform" than most of the others out there, as long as you wait a while to update when a new firmware comes out. Rhythmbox on Ubuntu works well with the iPod. -- Mark McCoy - US Army Veteran - Professional Unix Geek Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From etillman93 at peoplepc.com Sun Sep 2 01:38:50 2007 From: etillman93 at peoplepc.com (Ed) Date: Sun Sep 2 01:38:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <1286.76.184.48.246.1188686320.squirrel@76.184.48.246> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46D9D917.9050303@peoplepc.com> <1286.76.184.48.246.1188686320.squirrel@76.184.48.246> Message-ID: <46DA5A7A.60801@peoplepc.com> I'm 54, and already there... Eli Cantu wrote: > I'm well on my way to become a silverhead, and I ain't even 40!!! > > On Sat, September 1, 2007 4:26 pm, Ed said: > >> Silverheads?! I resemble that remark... (!) >> >> Mary Yatti wrote: >> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> >>> I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up >>> free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. It's >>> near a resort and does lots of business. The >>> snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to email >>> their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny because >>> all these silverheads are addicted to the Internet. >>> >>> Any ideas gladly welcome. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Sep 1 23:48:43 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun Sep 2 02:13:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9/1/07, Mary Yatti wrote: > I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set up > free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. Dunno about your uplink capabilities, but the folks at Less Networks have put a package together that they've had a lot of interest in. You can subscribe to their service for a fee and get hardware and support from them (pre-configured with their software), use their software and support on your own hardware (also for a fee), or just use their software package on your own. Of course, for that last option you won't have the back-end facilities that Less Networks provides to help you make your hotspot more friendly and saleable, and it won't be as easy to integrate advertising into your landing page, but everything is based on open-source software and what they're really selling is the back-end services and support, so you've always got the option of just taking their software and doing the rest on your own. The Less Networks folks are doing all the back-end operations for the Austin Wireless City project, and my understanding is that all the other major wireless city projects are also using the software configurations from Less Networks, although they're providing their own back-end operations facilities. At the very least, it won't hurt to take a look, see . -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Sun Sep 2 01:48:09 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun Sep 2 02:13:14 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: <20070902030754.F26CB43EB1D@satlug.org> Message-ID: On 9/1/07, Patrick P wrote: > I missed the question, but I have the following input to add. Qmail is > the most secure smt server. I think many people would disagree on the security side. Unfortunately, qmail is difficult to install and depends on many other "dan-ware" components in order to run, and you have to get all those other components working correctly in order to have a functioning mail server -- never mind secure. In addition, qmail is extremely obtuse and difficult to understand and manage, although I imagine that once you've drunk the "dan-aide", everything "dan-like" becomes trivially easy for you to do. More over, qmail has not been updated in years, many patches from third-parties have to be integrated in order to make a reasonably modern mail server, and comes with a software license that is known to be fundamentally incompatible with both Free Software and Open Source. I wouldn't call that "secure", nor would I consider that to be desirable in an environment where you are likely to actually care about things like the license you have to agree to for the software you're going to use. If you want something that is secure and is free from pretty much all of these problems, you want to look at postfix instead. The security model for postfix is mutually distrustful programs that all operate at the least possible privilege, a basic security concept that even qmail violates. Not only is it a pretty much complete drop-in replacement for sendmail, the configuration file reads more like English than anything else I've ever seen for any other software I've ever encountered, and you can have a truly useful and complete mail server installation with a configuration file that is just two lines long -- everything else is taken from reasonable built-in defaults that are defined at compile time. Generally speaking, the build-from-source process for postfix will detect and automatically configure for use all the various supported database types that you've already got installed on your system, and whatever other components you have that postfix might be able to make use of, through the gnu autoconf facility. > Qpopper is very easy to install and setup for pop3 - > http://www.eudora.com/products/unsupported/qpopper/index.html Unfortunately, Qualcomm seems to be killing off all their various software packages they've supported over the years, and QPopper has been dormant for a long time before they made that decision. These days, I wouldn't install a POP3-only mail server. Instead, I'd go for one that could do both IMAP and POP3, and Dovecot seems to be reasonably well regarded in the field. > Horde is great for webmail if you want your users to have all of the bells > and whistles. Squirrelmail is great if you want something lightweight. When we looked at IMP/Horde, we decided that it depended far too much on Javascript to do anything useful for us. In contrast, TWIG could make use of Javascript if it was available, but the functionality was still mostly there for clients that didn't have Javascript or where Javascript was turned off. I can't speak for Squirrelmail, although I've heard good things about it. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Sun Sep 2 02:12:49 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun Sep 2 02:13:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] need help...everything is popping up Linux! In-Reply-To: <5ef09f10709010328i458adb75l70be51e74824801c@mail.gmail.com> References: <345e55a50708310914o1a06e570g8b3d1a2484efb3fb@mail.gmail.com> <3F9CF0AF-B54D-447B-984F-D3555067344A@shub-internet.org> <46D8AC8E.6070604@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <2470980d0708311849v754fd380q886a596ac0aa33b1@mail.gmail.com> <5ef09f10709010328i458adb75l70be51e74824801c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/1/07, Vern Davis wrote: > You know Brad, since you're OBVIOUSLY smarter than (almost) everybody > else on THIS LUG, maybe you need your own special "Knowles-It-All" > LUG? I wouldn't claim to be smarter than the average bear, but in the eighteen or so years I've been a professional Unix system administrator and in the twenty-three years I've been using Unix, I have had a fair amount of experience in a variety of fields, and in some pretty high pressure/high volume environments. I've worked both as a consultant and as an in-house employee, and I've seen the dirty nasty underbelly of both sides, as well as the good sides of both. I've been in situations where the consultants that were brought in just talked to us employees and then turned around and regurgitated those ideas to management as their own creation, and management suddenly decided that they were the best thing since sliced bread, which obviously had to be true because they had paid those consultants so much money. Contrariwise, I've been in situations where the consultants were effectively the glue that held together the projects they worked on, and the employees and project managers kept shifting on a weekly, monthly, or yearly basis. Heck, even the companies that were providing the consulting services would change on a yearly basis, but what always seemed to happen was that when a new consulting company underbid everyone else and got the contract, what they would do would be to turn around and re-hire all the same old guys who were working on the project last time, and then they'd completely over-run the budget and get under bid by someone else on the next round. I've been in situations where I was the consultant who was brought in to help a given customer, and couldn't get any of the employees to even talk to me or acknowledge my existence, and who effectively kept me from being able to do my job -- I'm assuming that was out of fear that I'd re-sell their ideas to management as my own, but I'm just guessing. With regards to the topic at hand, I've worked for a company that was widely recognized in the field as having some of the best recruiters in the business, and I've personally known some really horrible recruiters. If you want to make money in this world, one of the easiest things to do is to become a recruiter and make a 20% commission on the annual salary of the people you place at companies, and then just shovel as much crap as quickly as you possibly can, so that you can pile up as much money as quickly as can, before you fly the coop and go start a different recruiting company. The sister of one of my brothers-in-law is a self-employed recruiter for high-end tech companies in California, and as a result of her previous job in sales she's got a lot of really good contacts she's made over the years. She's looking to clear a million dollars in the first full year of her business operations, and she's got companies knocking her door down and trying to throw more business at her than she knows what to do with. She's getting calls for placement in several areas where she has no experience, so she's having to turn those down. In particular, one thing she's getting calls for is to help fill legal positions, which is how my wife and I found out what she's doing these days and how much money she's making, because she wants my wife to come on board as her assistant for placement of lawyers (thanks to the previous experience my wife has had in her twenty-plus years as a lawyer, including time spent on Wall Street at a firm that specialized in high-end mergers & acquisitions, as General Counsel for an international investment bank, etc...). My wife looked at the numbers, and decided she'd only need to place just five people in an entire year, and that would be enough money to be her own annual salary. Do the math. These people can make 20% of a $100-150k salary for the placement of a single person, and they only have to make five such placements in a year before they clear $100-150k themselves. Now, how many snake oil salescritters do you think that kind of money is going to attract? Hint: take another look at monster.com, dice.com, etc.... Unfortunately, there are actually some good recruiters in this business, and the good ones usually get tarred with the same brush that's used for all the bad ones. But with as many recruiters as are out there, there are a lot more of them that are bad than are good, and you can usually tell the good ones from the bad ones by their behaviour, and whether or not you even notice them or know about them. Hint: if they're good, then everybody tends to keep their name a secret, because they don't want anyone else to find out what their special advantage is. OTOH, if you're a good recruiter then you're probably almost always going to have way more business thrown your way than you can possibly handle in ten lifetimes, so you're not going to need to go beating the bushes to try to sucker a bunch of people into submitting r?sum?s to you. Recruiters are one thing I know about. When you step into one of the areas where I have some experience, you can reasonably expect that I will speak up, and that when I do so I will try to speak plainly and clearly, based primarily on my own experience and maybe also including my understanding of the broader subject and related fields, and I'll try to be specific about what type of basis I'm using for what part of my response. If you disagree with me, you're welcome to do so and you're welcome to demonstrate your superior knowledge and experience through the information you convey and the manner in which you do so. I try very hard to acknowledge my own weaknesses and the limits of my experience, and take pleasure in opportunities to learn more about most subjects, especially those where I feel that I already have a fair amount of experience. If you don't like what I have to say, but you can't successfully argue with me on intelligent grounds or through the proper use of actual logic, I guess you can resort to calling me names or bringing out the ad-hominem attacks. Those always seem to work really well. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From matthew at infodancer.org Sun Sep 2 02:53:08 2007 From: matthew at infodancer.org (Matthew Hunter) Date: Sun Sep 2 02:53:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: <20070902030754.F26CB43EB1D@satlug.org> Message-ID: <1188719588.14371.178.camel@quantum.infodancer.org> On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 01:48 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > On 9/1/07, Patrick P wrote: > > I missed the question, but I have the following input to add. Qmail is > > the most secure smt server. > I think many people would disagree on the security side. Well, "most" is always difficult. Qmail is definitely one of the top 5 contenders for security, though, in the way that most people mean security (see below). Postfix is also in the top 5. Exchange is not. Beyond that, I can't really say. > Unfortunately, qmail is difficult to install and depends on many > other "dan-ware" components in order to run, and you have to get all > those other components working correctly in order to have a > functioning mail server -- never mind secure. In addition, qmail is > extremely obtuse and difficult to understand and manage, although I > imagine that once you've drunk the "dan-aide", everything "dan-like" > becomes trivially easy for you to do. Brad, you may feel that way about qmail, and it's a fact that DJB's documentation is somewhat lacking... but there are a lot of good guides (written by others) that make the whole process transparent. When I was exploring SMTP servers a while back (that's about 10 years ago), it was the easiest to install of all the packages I found, with the exception of those that came pre-installed. (I think that was sendmail, not sure). The ones that came preinstalled were much worse than qmail when I actually wanted to change how they worked. Overall, I've found qmail to be simple and straightforward to install and to maintain. You're welcome to your opinion, of course. Mine differs. > More over, qmail has not been > updated in years, many patches from third-parties have to be > integrated in order to make a reasonably modern mail server, This is true. It would be nice if these issues could be fixed. Unforunately... > comes with a software license that is known to be fundamentally > incompatible with both Free Software and Open Source. ... while this particular statement is technically incorrect (DJB doesn't "license" his software at all, which he claims puts it in the public domain) it does make it difficult for someone else to maintain it, and DJB himself appears to have mostly stopped. Which does not mean any of the software has fundamentally stopped working. > I wouldn't call that "secure", You're playing with different definitions of security here. Qmail is not likely to let at attacker compromise your server. There are things it doesn't do by default that modern mail servers should do by default, like SMTP-AUTH or SSL, but patches exist to do these things and they are not necessary -- just good options. > nor would I consider that to be > desirable in an environment where you are likely to actually care > about things like the license you have to agree to for the software > you're going to use. You're stating the case a little strongly here. > If you want something that is secure and is free from pretty much all > of these problems, you want to look at postfix instead. The security > model for postfix is mutually distrustful programs that all operate > at the least possible privilege, a basic security concept that even > qmail violates. It should be noted that the authors of postfix and qmail have had ... shall we say... a bit of bad blood, and the proponents of both tend to maintain the tradition. Claiming qmail violates the least-possible-privilege mechanism is... interesting. From robertc3 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 2 02:56:42 2007 From: robertc3 at hotmail.com (robert c3) Date: Sun Sep 2 02:56:47 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >On 9/1/07, Patrick P wrote: > >> Horde is great for webmail if you want your users to have all of the >>bells >> and whistles. Squirrelmail is great if you want something lightweight. > >When we looked at IMP/Horde, we decided that it depended far too much on >Javascript to do anything useful for us. In contrast, TWIG could make >use of Javascript if it was available, but the functionality was still >mostly there for clients that didn't have Javascript or where Javascript >was turned off. > >I can't speak for Squirrelmail, although I've heard good things about it. > Squirrelmail is SLOW if you have people with large inboxes (1000+ messages). I'd look at Roundcube (http://roundcube.net/). It's beta but functional. Robert From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Sep 2 03:11:01 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Sep 2 03:11:05 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416b139c68ccaf1cb62ac0a6f72514e2@rugmonster.org> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:56:42 -0500, "robert c3" wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: >>When we looked at IMP/Horde, we decided that it depended far too much on >>Javascript to do anything useful for us. > > I'd look at Roundcube (http://roundcube.net/). It's beta > but functional. Roundcube is completely dependent on Javascript. Being all ajaxified is what makes it anything special. I just tested it and you can't do jack with it if you turn off javascript. I agree that it's great, but if you can't depend on your users having javascript, then it's out of the question. There are a lot of corporate/government networks that disable javascript either by policies on the browsers or filtered at the proxy/firewall. Thankfully, where I work doesn't. :) From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Sep 2 05:44:57 2007 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Sep 2 05:45:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] fedora like OS installation on vmware In-Reply-To: <7c60f31a0708270815u10eb328cn49b2c1ae32ee157c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1188015552.18960.9.camel@phrodo.texas.net> <834999.68899.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7c60f31a0708270815u10eb328cn49b2c1ae32ee157c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DA9429.4090405@rugmonster.org> phn1x wrote: > That's what i'm saying. I've got 14 other os's that installed just fine, > fedora core 2-7, and now cent os don't want to install. I recently studied for RHCE using CentOS 5 running on VMWare Server. I had multiple instances on several different machines and never once had a problem with a single install. Check your ISO and make sure it's not corrupt. If you're using a burned disc, make sure you check the media at the start of the install. If you're doing a network based install, then make sure you're network source is working properly and you're initial network setup is good on the VM. The only issue I've had with CentOS 5 and install was on one server, I had to use the good ol' noacpi and noapic kernel parameters. Since the VM sees your processor directly, it may not like your core duo, especially if you have the VM setup for two processors. That's a guess though. From leon36 at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 08:22:23 2007 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Sun Sep 2 08:22:27 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <46DA3356.8020707@gmail.com> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46D9BBEB.1080702@suddenlink.net> <000401c7ecd8$ff5ffbc0$0201a8c0@chubby> <46DA2CDC.9050105@gmail.com> <46DA3356.8020707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DAB90F.6010000@gmail.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Samuel Leon wrote: > > >> Speaking of security, I have a question. Are there any >> applications/tools available to help prevent people from running ARP >> spoofing attacks inside a wireless lan? I find that this is a common >> method for gathering user names and passwords. There are many simple >> GUI apps out there that make these style of attacks/packet sniffing very >> easy to carry out. There used to be a video on a website of a guy >> running ettercap and sniffing out user names and passwords from various >> SSL protected webmail sites. >> > > I don't know how sniffing at the Link level is any different from the > Network level. If you can read the frames, you can read the packets. > The only difference is the data link header and trailer which has no > security info. > > The comment about sniffing names/passwords over SSL just doesn't ring > true. The encryption is done before the packet is encapsulated. The > listener would have to be able to crack the encryption to get any useful > info. > > -- Bruce > Not sure I follow your link level vs network level comment. Maybe I will have to pull out my ccna book... As far as the SSL sniffing, the encryption is not really cracked. A fake certificate is sent to the victim. From the ettercap man page: "SSL MITM ATTACK While performing the SSL mitm attack, ettercap substitutes the real ssl certificate with its own. The fake certificate is created on the fly and all the fields are filled according to the real cert presented by the server. Only the issuer is modified and signed with the private key contained in the etter.sll.crt file. If you want to use a different private key you have to regenerate this file" I haven't figure out how to do it yet though. Sam From aaron at aaronhackney.com Sun Sep 2 08:32:08 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Sun Sep 2 08:32:13 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <46DAB90F.6010000@gmail.com> References: <534796.4994.qm@web50112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46D9BBEB.1080702@suddenlink.net> <000401c7ecd8$ff5ffbc0$0201a8c0@chubby> <46DA2CDC.9050105@gmail.com> <46DA3356.8020707@gmail.com> <46DAB90F.6010000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DABB58.1060006@aaronhackney.com> Samuel Leon wrote: > > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Samuel Leon wrote: >> >> >>> Speaking of security, I have a question. Are there any >>> applications/tools available to help prevent people from running ARP >>> spoofing attacks inside a wireless lan? I find that this is a common >>> method for gathering user names and passwords. There are many simple >>> GUI apps out there that make these style of attacks/packet sniffing >>> very >>> easy to carry out. There used to be a video on a website of a guy >>> running ettercap and sniffing out user names and passwords from various >>> SSL protected webmail sites. >> >> I don't know how sniffing at the Link level is any different from the >> Network level. If you can read the frames, you can read the packets. >> The only difference is the data link header and trailer which has no >> security info. Exactly. Framing encapsulation happens after packet encapsulation. So a frame contains the packet info along with all of the upper layer data. >> >> The comment about sniffing names/passwords over SSL just doesn't ring >> true. The encryption is done before the packet is encapsulated. The >> listener would have to be able to crack the encryption to get any useful >> info. >> >> -- Bruce >> > > Not sure I follow your link level vs network level comment. Maybe I > will have to pull out my ccna book... > > As far as the SSL sniffing, the encryption is not really cracked. A > fake certificate is sent to the victim. From the ettercap man page: > > "SSL MITM ATTACK > While performing the SSL mitm attack, ettercap substitutes the > real ssl > certificate with its own. The fake certificate is created on > the fly > and all the fields are filled according to the real cert > presented by > the server. Only the issuer is modified and signed with the > private key > contained in the etter.sll.crt file. If you want to use a > different > private key you have to regenerate this file" > Interesting. I was wondering how they did that. This doesn't apply to ssl but there are also some interesting attacks with secured APs. ie: sending a disconnect message to the client, when the client attempts to reconnect they reconnect to your box spoofing the AP. You get the user's sign in credentials then disconnect again and let them reconnect to the real AP. > I haven't figure out how to do it yet though. > > Sam > From erichaugen at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 09:52:22 2007 From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen) Date: Sun Sep 2 09:52:23 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Would modifying hosts file affect DNS entries? Message-ID: <674b98ac0709020752p720497b4gc08f61a29f779871@mail.gmail.com> I am trying to keep "some" users from going to time/bandwidth wasting websites and I know you can add entries such as: 127.0.0.1 www.youtube.com 127.0.0.1 www.pandora.com 127.0.0.1 www.myspace.com 127.0.0.1 www.ebay.com to the hosts file. When I told another administrator at work what I wanted to do he said not to because it would screw up the DNS. Is this true? I couldn't see how because it would only be on the users local machine would query the file. Blocking these sites at the firewall/DNS server is not an option because there are some users with legitimate reasons to go to these sites. Thoughts? - Eric From masterr at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 10:37:38 2007 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Sun Sep 2 10:37:40 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Portable mp3 players and linux In-Reply-To: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> References: <46DA2966.9040400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410709020837y699a0c68k811627581958380d@mail.gmail.com> Here is a list of OGG compatable players. http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers I own an iRiver H120. It is a 20GB HDD based player. Shows up as a USB HDD to Linux. Supports MP3, OGG, WMA natively and those plus AAC, FLAC, and several others if you install the Rockbox firmware (which is awesome). Charging is normal AC (not USB). Battery and HDD are easily upgradeable (I put a high capacity battery and a 30GB drive in mine). Best player I have ever owned. Unfortunatly they are not being made anymore, so you might need to look on ebay for one of those. I've also heard good things about the Iaudio/Cowon X5 (or X5L), but I think those have been discontinued as well. For flash based I would recommend the Mobi-Blue ver2. Small, USB HDD access, and plays MP3 and OGG out of the box. As for new HDD players, I am not sure. I haven't looked around for what is available lately. -Jon On 9/1/07, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I'm interested in finding a relatively inexpensive portable mp3 player > for jogging and walking. I really don't know much about the hardware > players. I know that the .mp3 format is a compressed audio format > (actually misnamed because the format is MPEG 1 Level 3, not MPEG 3). > > I see that I can create .mp3 files from .wav files with LAME and can > download free (or not) .mp3 files from the internet. I can rip a CD I > own to .wav files with cdparanoia. All this means that I really don't > have a problem getting the content. > > The functionality of a mp3 player would seem to me to be fairly simple. > I was looking at the store today and saw several players. My question > is how can I manage the .mp3 files on the portable player with linux? > Is is as simple as mounting via usb or firewire (IEEE 1394) or is there > something else? > > I'm not really interested in an ipod because it seems to be too > expensive, but there do seem to be some players in the $40 range > available. Any recommendations would be appreciated. > > -- Bruce > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 11:01:44 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Sep 2 11:00:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Would modifying hosts file affect DNS entries? In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0709020752p720497b4gc08f61a29f779871@mail.gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0709020752p720497b4gc08f61a29f779871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DADE68.9070707@gmail.com> Eric Haugen wrote: > I am trying to keep "some" users from going to time/bandwidth wasting > websites and I know you can add entries such as: > > 127.0.0.1 www.youtube.com 127.0.0.1 www.pandora.com 127.0.0.1 > www.myspace.com 127.0.0.1 www.ebay.com > > to the hosts file. When I told another administrator at work what I > wanted to do he said not to because it would screw up the DNS. Is > this true? No. > I couldn't see how because it would only be on the users local > machine would query the file. Blocking these sites at the > firewall/DNS server is not an option because there are some users > with legitimate reasons to go to these sites. The hosts files has nothing to do with the DNS system. The DNS server never looks at the hosts file. The resolver for the client (which usually uses the dns system but is not a part of it) is located within the glibc libraries. What it does is: Look at the "hosts:" line in nsswitch.conf In the order specified on that line look up and return the IP address from the first system that gives a successful answer. Possible entries on the line are: files -> look up from the /etc/hosts file dns -> look up form the dns system nis -> look up form the nis system nisplus -> etc ldap -> etc This is documented in man nsswitch.conf. -- Bruce From victor.trevino at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 11:00:20 2007 From: victor.trevino at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Sun Sep 2 11:00:24 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Would modifying hosts file affect DNS entries? In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0709020752p720497b4gc08f61a29f779871@mail.gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0709020752p720497b4gc08f61a29f779871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Putting those entries on the DNS server wouldn't be a good idea, but it's fine on the individual users' machines. From leif at paisd.net Sun Sep 2 12:29:41 2007 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Sun Sep 2 12:29:43 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] sendmail logging Message-ID: I've tested my mailserver (sendmail-8.14.1-4.1.fc6) for open relay and the report says I'm not open. Fine. I have my /etc/mail/access file limited to relay from localhost only: # by default we allow relaying from localhost... localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY Yet I keep seeing entries such as this in my maillog: Sep 2 11:40:35 mobydick sendmail[26541]: l82GLnJe026541: lost input channel from [219.248.195.170] to MTA after data Sep 2 11:40:35 mobydick sendmail[26541]: l82GLnJe026541: from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[219.248.195.170] Sep 2 11:41:04 mobydick sendmail[26539]: l82GLn2v026539: lost input channel from [219.248.195.170] to MTA after data Sep 2 11:41:04 mobydick sendmail[26539]: l82GLn2v026539: from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[219.248.195.170] Can someone tell me if those are just bounces or does this indicate that my mailserver is being used as a relay of some sort? Sincerely, -Leif Johnson Port Aransas ISD 100 Station St Port Aransas Tx 78373 361 749-1200 ext. 316 http://blog.paisd.net From parspe at hotmail.com Sun Sep 2 13:04:35 2007 From: parspe at hotmail.com (Patrick P) Date: Sun Sep 2 13:04:37 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: <20070902030754.F26CB43EB1D@satlug.org> Message-ID: I would define "secure" by the number of vulnerabilities forund in an application over time, unless it was an application which was not widely used. Does it need updating? Perhaps it has not been updated because there were no bugs to fix. There are only 3 reasons I can think of for updating an application. 1) New functionality 2) Bug fixes 3) Incompatibilty with new versions of libraries used by the application. Yes, most certainly the license would have to be evaluated for your situation. I wouldn't call that "secure", nor would I consider that to be desirable in an environment where you are likely to actually care about things like the license you have to agree to for the software you're going to use. _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From parspe at hotmail.com Sun Sep 2 13:06:47 2007 From: parspe at hotmail.com (Patrick P) Date: Sun Sep 2 13:06:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would not consider Beta as functional for most applications. Squirrelmail is SLOW if you have people with large inboxes (1000+ messages). I'd look at Roundcube (http://roundcube.net/). It's beta but functional. Robert _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Sep 2 13:06:06 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Sep 2 13:06:52 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] sendmail logging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DAFB8E.1070703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Leif Johnson wrote: > > I've tested my mailserver (sendmail-8.14.1-4.1.fc6) for open relay and > the report says I'm not open. Fine. I have my /etc/mail/access file > limited to relay from localhost only: > > # by default we allow relaying from localhost... > localhost.localdomain RELAY > localhost RELAY > 127.0.0.1 RELAY > > Yet I keep seeing entries such as this in my maillog: > > Sep 2 11:40:35 mobydick sendmail[26541]: l82GLnJe026541: lost input > channel from [219.248.195.170] to MTA after data > Sep 2 11:40:35 mobydick sendmail[26541]: l82GLnJe026541: > from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, > daemon=MTA, relay=[219.248.195.170] > Sep 2 11:41:04 mobydick sendmail[26539]: l82GLn2v026539: lost input > channel from [219.248.195.170] to MTA after data > Sep 2 11:41:04 mobydick sendmail[26539]: l82GLn2v026539: > from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, > daemon=MTA, relay=[219.248.195.170] > > Can someone tell me if those are just bounces or does this indicate > that my mailserver is being used as a relay of some sort? Someone's -trying- to use you as a relay. Did you ping 'white-cat.com' and see what you come up with? PING white-cat.com (89.253.245.50) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from mnogomag.ru (89.253.245.50): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=190 ms a whois on the 219.248.195.170 address comes back with KRNIC is not an ISP but a National Internet Registry similar to APNIC. The followings is organization information that is using the IPv4 address. IPv4 Address : 219.248.195.0-219.248.195.255 Network Name : HANANET-INFRA Connect ISP Name : HANANET Connect Date : 20030325 Registration Date : 20041014 Publishes : Y [ Organization Information ] Organization ID : ORG3930 Org Name : Hanaro Telecom Inc. Address : Yeoeuido-dong Yeongdeungpo-gu SEOUL Detail address : 17-7 Asia One Bldg. Zip Code : 150-874 [ Technical Contact Information ] Name : IP manager Org Name : Hanaro Telecom Inc. Address : Yeoeuido-dong Yeongdeungpo-gu SEOUL Detail address : 17-7 Asia One Bldg. Zip Code : 150-874 Phone : +82-2-106-2 E-Mail : ip-adm@hanaro.com someone is -trying-, but are probably not very successful. -- From gboswell at accd.edu Sun Sep 2 13:25:13 2007 From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell) Date: Sun Sep 2 13:25:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: MP3 player Message-ID: <46DB0009.2070205@accd.edu> Bruce I sent a reply to satlug on this last night from another box (windows) , apparently did not take. I have a T10 and T30 from iriver which plays mp3, OGG + all the other formats. The T30 512mb was < $30 and the T10 128mb was < $20 on ebay. The T10 came with a runners arm holder that could also hold the T30. Both came with usb cable and nice (sound) head sets. I also have some "china" 1 GB and 2GB mp3 players that were so bad I only use them for usb storage. I also have the manual for the T30 that has more info than I care to understand. Come by SAC and borrow them both to see if either would meet your needs. I also have a Achros 20GB player but jogging would cause it to skip. The ipod (6 GB sticks) work well but they really price them up there. Call me if you want more info. Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From gboswell at accd.edu Sat Sep 1 23:23:31 2007 From: gboswell at accd.edu (gboswell) Date: Sun Sep 2 13:37:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Portable mp3 players and linux Message-ID: <46DA3AC3.8020706@accd.edu> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I'm interested in finding a relatively inexpensive portable mp3 player > for jogging and walking. I really don't know much about the hardware > players. I know that the .mp3 format is a compressed audio format > (actually misnamed because the format is MPEG 1 Level 3, not MPEG 3). > > I see that I can create .mp3 files from .wav files with LAME and can > download free (or not) .mp3 files from the internet. I can rip a CD I > own to .wav files with cdparanoia. All this means that I really don't > have a problem getting the content. > > The functionality of a mp3 player would seem to me to be fairly simple. > I was looking at the store today and saw several players. My question > is how can I manage the .mp3 files on the portable player with linux? > Is is as simple as mounting via usb or firewire (IEEE 1394) or is there > something else? > > I'm not really interested in an ipod because it seems to be too > expensive, but there do seem to be some players in the $40 range > available. Any recommendations would be appreciated. > > -- Bruce Bruce I use iriver, cheap < $30.00 for 512m, great headphones (sound wise) , can play mp3, OGG (open source, I know you knew that but others might not), plus WMA, ASF plus others. The T10 came with a arm adapter for running and the T30 would work with it also. Come borrow both of them and see if they will work for you. Both have usb cables etc. I have the manual for the T30. I also have some of the China 2GB units but use them for usb storage devices as the music is less than great even with different headphones. Boz From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 13:44:31 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Sep 2 13:42:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Portable mp3 players and linux In-Reply-To: <46DA3AC3.8020706@accd.edu> References: <46DA3AC3.8020706@accd.edu> Message-ID: <46DB048F.5040402@gmail.com> gboswell wrote: > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> I'm interested in finding a relatively inexpensive portable mp3 player >> for jogging and walking. I really don't know much about the hardware >> players. I know that the .mp3 format is a compressed audio format >> (actually misnamed because the format is MPEG 1 Level 3, not MPEG 3). >> >> I see that I can create .mp3 files from .wav files with LAME and can >> download free (or not) .mp3 files from the internet. I can rip a CD I >> own to .wav files with cdparanoia. All this means that I really don't >> have a problem getting the content. >> >> The functionality of a mp3 player would seem to me to be fairly simple. >> I was looking at the store today and saw several players. My question >> is how can I manage the .mp3 files on the portable player with linux? >> Is is as simple as mounting via usb or firewire (IEEE 1394) or is there >> something else? >> >> I'm not really interested in an ipod because it seems to be too >> expensive, but there do seem to be some players in the $40 range >> available. Any recommendations would be appreciated. >> >> -- Bruce > Bruce I use iriver, cheap < $30.00 for 512m, great headphones (sound > wise) , can play mp3, OGG (open source, I know you knew that but others > might not), plus WMA, ASF plus others. The T10 came with a arm adapter > for running and the T30 would work with it also. Come borrow both of > them and see if they will work for you. Both have usb cables etc. I have > the manual for the T30. I also have some of the China 2GB units but > use them for usb storage devices as the music is less than great even > with different headphones. Thanks to all that have posted info on this. I think I can find the appropriate device from the info given. SATLUG comes through again. -- Bruce From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Sep 2 13:45:30 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Sep 2 13:45:45 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Portable mp3 players and linux In-Reply-To: <46DA3AC3.8020706@accd.edu> Message-ID: <200709021845.l82IjUBg026677@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Bruce, I bought a couple of SanDisc players for cheap. They also come with FM radio which I use a lot while biking. I replaced the earbuds with some decent Sennheiser headphones (more expensive than the player), but that investment was well worth it. They are more comfortable and the sound is excellent, even when riding + windnoise. I rip my daughter's CDs for her player to MP3 and everything she owns fits on there comfortably in MP3 format. I also often download mp3 encoded radio shows and listen to those when there is nothing on the radio. The USB use is really as easy as plugging it in and copying to the device. It will come up just like another sd* drive that you can mount to any directory and then copy to it. -Borries > > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I'm interested in finding a relatively inexpensive portable mp3 player > for jogging and walking. I really don't know much about the hardware > players. I know that the .mp3 format is a compressed audio format > (actually misnamed because the format is MPEG 1 Level 3, not MPEG 3). > > I see that I can create .mp3 files from .wav files with LAME and can > download free (or not) .mp3 files from the internet. I can rip a CD I > own to .wav files with cdparanoia. All this means that I really don't > have a problem getting the content. > > The functionality of a mp3 player would seem to me to be fairly simple. > I was looking at the store today and saw several players. My question > is how can I manage the .mp3 files on the portable player with linux? > Is is as simple as mounting via usb or firewire (IEEE 1394) or is there > something else? > > I'm not really interested in an ipod because it seems to be too > expensive, but there do seem to be some players in the $40 range > available. Any recommendations would be appreciated. From yatinhat at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 14:21:05 2007 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Sun Sep 2 14:21:06 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi Message-ID: <604855.86374.qm@web50111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone who supplied info on wifi hotspot setup. I don't know why, but this south central texas sucks in finding free wifi hotspots. When in Austin or Houston..it's never a problem. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Sep 2 14:27:32 2007 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Sep 2 14:28:09 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi In-Reply-To: <604855.86374.qm@web50111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <604855.86374.qm@web50111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46DB0EA4.4020301@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Mary Yatti wrote: > Thanks to everyone who supplied info on wifi hotspot > setup. I don't know why, but this south central texas > sucks in finding free wifi hotspots. When in Austin > or Houston..it's never a problem. > you never answered my question, Mary... Is there such a thing as high-speed access to the internet in Bandera, *other* than via satellite? -- -Geoff From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Sep 2 16:07:16 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Sep 2 16:07:21 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi (Bandera County) Message-ID: >------- Original Message ------- >From : Geoff wrote: Is there such a thing as high-speed access to the internet in Bandera, *other* than via satellite? --------------------------------------------- Yes, depending on your definition of high-speed. There's wireless dsl @ about 1.5 ~ 2.3 kbs from Indian Creek 730-796-7788 Internet America 800-232-4335 Lou From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Sep 2 16:18:44 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Sep 2 16:18:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi Message-ID: <62e843a9b901472197ac6e0bc6e052c6.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >------- Original Message ------- >From : Mary Yatti I don't know why, but this south central texas sucks in finding free wifi hotspots. ----------------------------------- Someone has to pay the freight, free lunch yesterday. Then again here's an opportunity, you could set-up and start one yourself, or, since this is for a business, they could do it and amortize it into the cost of doing business. Lou From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 16:53:51 2007 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Sep 2 16:52:12 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi (Bandera County) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DB30EF.8090204@gmail.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> ------- Original Message ------- >>From : Geoff wrote: > Is there such a thing as high-speed access to the > internet in Bandera, *other* than via satellite? > --------------------------------------------- > Yes, depending on your definition of high-speed. > There's wireless dsl @ about 1.5 ~ 2.3 kbs from > Indian Creek 730-796-7788 > Internet America 800-232-4335 Is this a typo? A modem can do 56 kbs. -- Bruce From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Sep 2 16:57:42 2007 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Sep 2 16:57:59 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi (Bandera County) In-Reply-To: <46DB30EF.8090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709022157.l82Lvgdf029330@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Has anyone ever tried to channel-bond dialup modems? I wonder what kind of bandwidth can be gotten by doing that. In areas where high-speed internet is not available multiple phone lines may be an option? -Borries > > Yes, depending on your definition of high-speed. > > There's wireless dsl @ about 1.5 ~ 2.3 kbs from > > Indian Creek 730-796-7788 > > Internet America 800-232-4335 > > Is this a typo? A modem can do 56 kbs. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 17:35:41 2007 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sun Sep 2 17:35:42 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <46DA2CDC.9050105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <373237.47026.qm@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a silly question... why does it have to be more complicated than just powering up an access point without encryption and mac-filtering options?. just power the AP, setup the WLAN id and viola! regards, Enrique. --- Samuel Leon wrote: > > > David Power wrote: > >> Mary Yatti wrote: > >> > >>> Hey guys, > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set > up > >>> free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. > It's > >>> near a resort and does lots of business. The > >>> snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to > email > >>> their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny > because > >>> all these silverheads are addicted to the > Internet. > >>> > >>> Any ideas gladly welcome. > >>> > >>> Mary > >>> > >> Hi Mary: > >> > >> I think someone else already mentioned access, > but if you do have > >> access, you are also going to want an access > point with a guaranteed > >> strong signal. I put in a link to an outdoor > access point with a 400mw > >> (milli-watt) signal. It makes things easier. > HTH, Dennis > >> > >> > http://store.microcom.us/wireless-lan--access-point---client-bridge-- > >> outdoor.html > >> -- > >> > > > > I've had problems with the engenius if you try to > get a lot of data (10 meg > > +) that's encrypted (you do want to encrypt your > data) through them. > > If you are just using them to connect to a couple > of meg uplink they work > > well and are very cost effective. > > I've found that a pair of the 3220 ext make a nice > inexpensive point to > > point backhaul platform. As long as you don't try > to cram to much data > > through them. > > > > > > > Speaking of security, I have a question. Are there > any > applications/tools available to help prevent people > from running ARP > spoofing attacks inside a wireless lan? I find that > this is a common > method for gathering user names and passwords. > There are many simple > GUI apps out there that make these style of > attacks/packet sniffing very > easy to carry out. There used to be a video on a > website of a guy > running ettercap and sniffing out user names and > passwords from various > SSL protected webmail sites. I can't find the video > now though. It > totally blew my mind the first time I saw it. I am > just wondering if > there would be a way to automatically black list a > MAC once it is > detected to be running in promiscuous mode or > something? I am guessing > that there would be no way to blacklist the *right* > MAC once an ARP > spoof attack has been detected? > > Anyone have any info on this? I thought about > running my own public > hotspot before but I feel bad knowing that I > wouldn't know how to > properly protect my clients from such attacks. > > Sam > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -------------------------------------- "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Sep 2 17:36:51 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Sep 2 17:36:58 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi (Bandera County) In-Reply-To: <200709022157.l82Lvgdf029330@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200709022157.l82Lvgdf029330@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <46DB3B03.6020908@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Borries Demeler wrote: > Has anyone ever tried to channel-bond dialup modems? > I wonder what kind of bandwidth can be gotten by doing that. > In areas where high-speed internet is not available multiple > phone lines may be an option? > -Borries To do multilink-ppp the carrier has to support it too. Good luck trying to talk to tech support on that one... I can only imagine the number of bodies you'd have to dig through before one understood that it was a PPP connection, much less a multilink ppp connection. - -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRts7A8nf+vRw63ObAQpNmgv/UPda/cIhAGwz2EgPvlPaanxIwz1JaGcQ X9asaFWBBD9AYa1xQvHfAy/34lKevvVBy3cWWF0T7BQmD08yNri97btEbs14i4Xq i3HSYL4Xq3+eoISs+Dq+fXG/iXn8v0S3pbScT1an1hwhZxqeo3rX/lTieQJV9z4K y/3hQ3H5PZ0s/CCTEeEpVTJ+plqp2GObOPPUispeTqIobjnDVxl0lpc2CM6hCxkn C83MHmGAhXD9OKAWOGrjraVrZPts2+0IIEMiM7f+70GhZrIvpy1bgF5mcPXmswGd Xw4EQpAuHCVkbJUSjW/pYVjbhQKfMsUPzVsG3FXQOaZ4RnE/zbLB8DXGnzzKZ3+V /K8YQO1nwFtTMmbs36EVmnj1Q9VW+dXp+UH76CgdBrOR+FxB2bxV46XU1eynIdLO 5fLMRFuOw6A4030hDizDom0eVzqmelfYnsOSCmgO0fCOGleOAnrHNXCSIHtra0ba y7Eg/NB3G767z+73Hq/BRd7auecWiVWr =bsPA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 17:50:04 2007 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Sep 2 17:50:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Deli owner wishes to set up own hotspot cheaply In-Reply-To: <373237.47026.qm@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <46DA2CDC.9050105@gmail.com> <373237.47026.qm@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0709021550p64122898v93a5efa338767cf2@mail.gmail.com> We're Linux nerds, its gotta be complicated! ;) On 9/2/07, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > > I have a silly question... > > why does it have to be more complicated than just > powering up an access point without encryption and > mac-filtering options?. > > > just power the AP, setup the WLAN id and viola! > > regards, > Enrique. > > > > > > --- Samuel Leon wrote: > > > > > > > David Power wrote: > > >> Mary Yatti wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hey guys, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I'm looking for the most inexpensive way to set > > up > > >>> free wifi for a deli in a rural area of Bandera. > > It's > > >>> near a resort and does lots of business. The > > >>> snowbirds are always looking for a hotspot to > > email > > >>> their grandchildren, etc.... It's kinda funny > > because > > >>> all these silverheads are addicted to the > > Internet. > > >>> > > >>> Any ideas gladly welcome. > > >>> > > >>> Mary > > >>> > > >> Hi Mary: > > >> > > >> I think someone else already mentioned access, > > but if you do have > > >> access, you are also going to want an access > > point with a guaranteed > > >> strong signal. I put in a link to an outdoor > > access point with a 400mw > > >> (milli-watt) signal. It makes things easier. > > HTH, Dennis > > >> > > >> > > > http://store.microcom.us/wireless-lan--access-point---client-bridge-- > > >> outdoor.html > > >> -- > > >> > > > > > > I've had problems with the engenius if you try to > > get a lot of data (10 meg > > > +) that's encrypted (you do want to encrypt your > > data) through them. > > > If you are just using them to connect to a couple > > of meg uplink they work > > > well and are very cost effective. > > > I've found that a pair of the 3220 ext make a nice > > inexpensive point to > > > point backhaul platform. As long as you don't try > > to cram to much data > > > through them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of security, I have a question. Are there > > any > > applications/tools available to help prevent people > > from running ARP > > spoofing attacks inside a wireless lan? I find that > > this is a common > > method for gathering user names and passwords. > > There are many simple > > GUI apps out there that make these style of > > attacks/packet sniffing very > > easy to carry out. There used to be a video on a > > website of a guy > > running ettercap and sniffing out user names and > > passwords from various > > SSL protected webmail sites. I can't find the video > > now though. It > > totally blew my mind the first time I saw it. I am > > just wondering if > > there would be a way to automatically black list a > > MAC once it is > > detected to be running in promiscuous mode or > > something? I am guessing > > that there would be no way to blacklist the *right* > > MAC once an ARP > > spoof attack has been detected? > > > > Anyone have any info on this? I thought about > > running my own public > > hotspot before but I feel bad knowing that I > > wouldn't know how to > > properly protect my clients from such attacks. > > > > Sam > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -------------------------------------- > "What you have been obliged to discover > by yourself leaves a path in your mind > which you can use again when the need > arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg > > http://themathcircle.org/ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. > http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Sep 2 18:07:11 2007 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Sep 2 18:07:15 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi (Bandera County) Message-ID: <703d6b2a235b4b74a6baf57ddb815778.scs@worldlinkisp.com> > --------------------------------------------- > Yes, depending on your definition of high-speed. > There's wireless dsl @ about 1.5 ~ 2.3 kbs from Is this a typo? A modem can do 56 kbs. -- Bruce-- -------------------------------------------------- Yes (egg on face) decimal point should have been three places to the right. 1500 kb/s to 2300 kb/s average Thanks, Lou From etillman93 at peoplepc.com Sun Sep 2 18:18:58 2007 From: etillman93 at peoplepc.com (Ed) Date: Sun Sep 2 18:19:11 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi (Bandera County) In-Reply-To: <46DB30EF.8090204@gmail.com> References: <46DB30EF.8090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DB44E2.5040906@peoplepc.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >>> ------- Original Message ------- >>> >> >From : Geoff wrote: >> Is there such a thing as high-speed access to the >> internet in Bandera, *other* than via satellite? >> --------------------------------------------- >> Yes, depending on your definition of high-speed. >> There's wireless dsl @ about 1.5 ~ 2.3 kbs from >> Indian Creek 730-796-7788 >> Internet America 800-232-4335t >> > > Is this a typo? A modem can do 56 kbs. > > -- Bruce > I don't think so... DSL (digital subscriber link) can handle transit packets of 64Kb/channel. As a DSL line (usually one B and one D channel) can transit 64Mb/sec, and an ADSL (asynchronous) can handle multiple B channels at once via multiplexing, and 1.5 - 3.2 megabits without much difficulty. However, full through-put depends on the number of users accessing the line/node at a given moment. Usually, ADSL packages are 128Mb/sec (2B, 1D channels), and via multiplexing, can transit the low end of the DSL spectrum (1.5Mb) fairly easily... And, they don't use a "modem," the use a "terminal adapter..." Cheers; Ed From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 18:25:17 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Sep 2 18:25:20 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Software RAID over USB 2.0 Message-ID: <277020fc0709021625jc3fffe6ub8a31d521885dc81@mail.gmail.com> I have an nslu2 running debian etch (ARM processor). It has two USB 2.0 ports. If I were to hang four USB hard drives off a hub and set up a RAID5 array, would there be major performance degradation? From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Sep 2 18:36:15 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Sep 2 18:36:18 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Software RAID over USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <277020fc0709021625jc3fffe6ub8a31d521885dc81@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0709021625jc3fffe6ub8a31d521885dc81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DB48EF.10601@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Sean Carolan wrote: > I have an nslu2 running debian etch (ARM processor). It has two USB > 2.0 ports. If I were to hang four USB hard drives off a hub and set > up a RAID5 array, would there be major performance degradation? RAID5 is very processor intensive. it's got to calculate Parity data for every write. If your CPU on that nslu2 can do it. Go for it, but I'm not sure an embedded cpu can do that very well... It may still be faster than the network interface IO, at which point you're okay, I think.... - -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRttI78nf+vRw63ObAQpiFwwAkbzuzUKEvEp8aTZqHMkH3lrbKOf/jBTP zuWBaVcV1gNOSrhdaxVJHmcMRPp2YJaOhRGrjmtt2edd4ODJwKb1LC5+InjRqluC 7p9RLAat55D7JBSoN5MB9It16r5wOACZclz4wShWLU2TXaJCOeBi7DcF6lt4KIfR 9zBCcSunUP5lMjVtQ89Qvfud/IBs9xsvcCqQ/EQVsjxQ6v4zwimTJJ6RteXgmNAY hAqJV4wbvhYA80J2l2/vTNYl5f7ze/Q7j9AEpwvwfGMm0rzGa+BzKXGXm/IA4UH1 OUJafzZRm0PqlePduyuFQzBExvWMLZ9LiaMcc1NJoWcYTMFruzaDzuS4zikbQzop ZngRu5Ows+4DkOjL8nbTSaRSnEusMzKS3GfPNKvsdRG6tetSU/Yuti2NH3z8/qyy Kj2vJXkcJ1ROOd6MwbsObZgN/4lmc1OH3lUyTVYv8iksidXlPqcSAEYkY25wekqj iclAYu3lB0IlDsOdym77D5EuqU7Z2jTk =xmoo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 18:42:54 2007 From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan) Date: Sun Sep 2 18:42:56 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Software RAID over USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <46DB48EF.10601@shlrm.org> References: <277020fc0709021625jc3fffe6ub8a31d521885dc81@mail.gmail.com> <46DB48EF.10601@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0709021642h580b0d96o3bedf775290c4749@mail.gmail.com> > RAID5 is very processor intensive. it's got to calculate Parity data for > every write. If your CPU on that nslu2 can do it. Go for it, but I'm not > sure an embedded cpu can do that very well... It may still be faster > than the network interface IO, at which point you're okay, I think.... I might end up getting something with an on-board raid controller, or upgrade to a kurobox or something similar. The nlsu2 is a trooper - I have it rsyncing about 30-40 Gb of backups on two clients with BackupPC (backuppc.sf.net). It's slow, but seems reliable with the latest Debian etch kernel. From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Sep 2 18:58:45 2007 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Sep 2 18:58:49 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Software RAID over USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <277020fc0709021642h580b0d96o3bedf775290c4749@mail.gmail.com> References: <277020fc0709021625jc3fffe6ub8a31d521885dc81@mail.gmail.com> <46DB48EF.10601@shlrm.org> <277020fc0709021642h580b0d96o3bedf775290c4749@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DB4E35.8030204@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Sean Carolan wrote: >> RAID5 is very processor intensive. it's got to calculate Parity data for >> every write. If your CPU on that nslu2 can do it. Go for it, but I'm not >> sure an embedded cpu can do that very well... It may still be faster >> than the network interface IO, at which point you're okay, I think.... > > I might end up getting something with an on-board raid controller, or > upgrade to a kurobox or something similar. The nlsu2 is a trooper - I > have it rsyncing about 30-40 Gb of backups on two clients with > BackupPC (backuppc.sf.net). It's slow, but seems reliable with the > latest Debian etch kernel. Rsync is far less CPU intensive than RAID5 ;) That being said, I wish I had one of those anyway, I'd make it network storage and use amazon's S3 stuff for offsite backups. :) - -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGVAwUBRttONMnf+vRw63ObAQpNkAv9FpdlqFW7ldwzd//VCcitt2MLSKZYCr8j dAoEsfkmTLZqDECVBXcAFMUDzzljzZY2XYAeLsPSYP60cohGj63wd2RgBOSpQlSO eR6QUlN2fQrBvDNHJ2SfJBbN/6BeaGzFJ6t78fKoC9MNyjwvDeIiiyKjz+fRdXdZ Fgoa2BVqwIxTnTQmdTfH9qvg137dP5abDIeIsHBIvuTwVOFoiNu3KCO6NMlQ0xQL AUkY8CzEP6Y1El68JYblWWXjyo3OMSDBgCrqqR/q4qRCs8m2qHnLdqXf7gbe4l84 7CYr0foFAVkx51PDSNJYnW/goCg1bVaZgAFXIrrWFiMUOkJyPXwj5vId9nBKMOr+ i9mHnQUSinK+BtrJ71Kr/kxZ5ZLk8mhZ4uuXOJ/s04quF84yOj8IGVEoTML/lRH8 Mzk63pjAiq5gdOTvBCs3fMqRo6XETTm33iAUmYXQ519vtdt98UWt3NVgwm31I8pJ 9cSnu4lOAgv2af79WkQa3jDb72TYhSd6 =6XeE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aaron at aaronhackney.com Sun Sep 2 18:59:55 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Sun Sep 2 19:00:04 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi In-Reply-To: <604855.86374.qm@web50111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <604855.86374.qm@web50111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46DB4E7B.3070509@aaronhackney.com> Mary Yatti wrote: > Thanks to everyone who supplied info on wifi hotspot > setup. I don't know why, but this south central texas > sucks in finding free wifi hotspots. When in Austin > or Houston..it's never a problem. > We are finally getting a Panera Bread in SA! (Formerly St. Louis Bread Company). They always have free wifi and lots of power outlets and great food and bagels.(A taste of the Midwest for us transplants!) I moved here last year and found the few free spots kind of odd, but you can always bet on: Culvers on I10 and DeZavala, any Buffalo Wild Wings,the McD's on Broadway across from UIW and any ACCD campus. I found some old out of date list online but those worked out for me. I might need to start a web database for free wifi in SA if there isn't one out there being maintained. -A From aaron at aaronhackney.com Sun Sep 2 19:04:01 2007 From: aaron at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Sun Sep 2 19:04:07 2007 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi (Bandera County) In-Reply-To: <46DB44E2.5040906@peoplepc.com> References: <46DB30EF.8090204@gmail.com> <46DB44E2.5040906@peoplepc.com> Message-ID: <46DB4F71.8060202@aaronhackney.com> Ed wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> >>>> ------- Original Message ------- >>>> >>> >From : Geoff wrote: >>> Is there such a thing as high-speed access to the internet in >>> Bandera, *other* than via satellite? >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> Yes, depending on your definition of high-speed. >>> There's wireless dsl @ about 1.5 ~ 2.3 kbs from >>> Indian Creek 730-796-7788 >>> Internet America 800-232-4335t >>> >> >> Is this a typo? A modem can do 56 kbs. >> >> -- Bruce >> > I don't think so... DSL (digital subscriber link) can handle transit > packets of 64Kb/channel. As a DSL line (usually one B and one D > channel) can transit 64Mb/sec I did a few DSLAM installs back in the day but I can't recall the technology in use other than using freq out of the voice range on voice POTS circuits. I think you are thinking of ISDN? (1D and 2B = BRI ISDN circuit) > , and an ADSL (asynchronous) Asymmetric. > can handle multiple B channels at once via multiplexing, and 1.5 - 3.2 > megabits without much difficulty. However, full through-put depends > on the number of users accessing the line/node at a given moment. > Usually, ADSL packages are 128Mb/sec (2B, 1D channels), and via > multiplexing, can transit the