From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 00:02:42 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Apr 1 00:02:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT(?sorta) Linksys WCG200 - DHCP wrong (or bad) address with routing and NAT turned on In-Reply-To: References: <47EF2E6F.5040600@gmail.com> <47EFEFE5.4090506@gmail.com> <47F0E827.6090607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> Jennie Haywood wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:33 AM, ed wrote: > >> > >> > Thank you! What's interesting is that the reported DHCP server for >> > that 66 network is at 192.168.5.4. >> > >> Likely correct, depending on the default factory spec internal IP >> address of your router. 192.168.xx.xx is the block of IANA-assigned >> addresses for a NATed Class C network -- what you would have inside your >> > > Yep... It's a private network. > > >> router on your own network. (What is your router's IP internal address? >> What is your ISP-assigned IP address?) Your router would be responsible >> for assigning DHCP addresses within your network, and NATing them to >> your external IP address. >> >> > > See that's what I find odd. The factory default on the Linksys > WCG200 for a router DHCP server is 192.168.0.1 (at least that's what > mine resets to when I reset it to factory defaults). > Ok. the WCG200 may have a different default gateway address than my WTRG54S. Private NAT addresses aren't exactly as constrained as public/corporate NATing. If it defaults to xxx.xxx.0.1, ya might wanna let it be, unless you'd care to establish your own network parameters. > How I found the 192.168.5.4 address was by turning OFF the routing and > NATing on my Linksys and letting *their* DHCP set the info on a > windoze box and looking at it with ipconfig /all. > Cute. Then one of my earlier suggestions may apply: you might have had a rogue server injected somewhere in your up-channel network. Under the best of conditions, some people's kids don't understand the need to isolate their networks when experimenting with creating a server. If it was an intentional hack, however... > This morning it was down again. So I went thru the process of > turning off the routing and NATing to let their (Grande's) DHCP setup > the windoze box: > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 66.90.163.202 > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.254.0 > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 66.90.163.254 > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.5.4 > Obviously, we're NOT talking about YOUR router here... The DHCP server in you list is definitely rogue... > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 66.90.132.162 > 66.90.130.10 > > So I copied that to notepad and decided to see what would happen if I > put the routing and NATing back on and let the router pick up a DHCP > address. It came up with a 24.155.114.XXX address. Which *miracle of > miracles* worked! So I guess they fixed whatever was whigging out > with the DHCP. > Yeah, by switching over to one of Grande's alternate nets (24.xx.xx.xx)... See below. Expect a switch-back sometime in the near future, unless maybe they've undergone a net assignment change. Unusual, but... Grande Communications Networks, Inc. GRANDECOM-03 (NET-24-155-0-0-1) 24.155.0.0 - 24.155.255.255 Grande Communications SAN ANTONIO GRANDECOM-MARKET03 (NET-24-155-112-0-1) 24.155.112.0 - 24.155.115.255 > > Why couldn't the tech support guys just say there could be OR is a routing issue and we are looking into it??? > Why tell me that it's my hardware when I know full well it's NOT my hardware. > I dunno... Arrogance, your gender, any number of pig-headed reasons. According to most ISPs, its never their problem, even if the building's burning down around them. Go figure... Cheers; Ed From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Apr 1 06:27:57 2008 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Apr 1 06:28:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source IA process In-Reply-To: References: <3ae131d00803310702n49e9c09bh3627f227893d282a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F21C3D.6020805@rugmonster.org> R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Sean I wrote: > >> Don't you LOVE IA validations....I just had to take 24 RHEL 4.5 >> Servers through it...they passed with flying colors but security still >> whined about few problems beyond my control (It is not my fault redhat >> backports their crap). > > I guess I am confused -- if the RHEL (or CentOS) units passed with > flying colors, why is it Red Hat's fault that the scanner used by > 'security' looked at version strings, rather than the actual exploit. > > The 'crap' if any, seems to be in the imprecision of the alleged tool > doing the scanning, or the shallowness of the training of the person > running the scanner; you as the sysadmin can point to the CVE fixes for > any package -- say: openssh -- trivially: > rpm -q --changelog openssg | grep CVE I've seen this from auditors as well. They are given a set of tools and told to run them. When version numbers don't match up, they freak out and the admins are left to attempt to explain the concept of back-porting. The problem is that it can get quite cumbersome to account for all those CVE's when the install starts getting long in the tooth. Imagine a RHEL2 box, with an errata page dating back to 2003, and having to account for every CVE since then: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh21as-errata.html From siffland at nerdshack.com Tue Apr 1 10:27:06 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Tue Apr 1 10:27:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Image vs Partition Message-ID: <3ae131d00804010827p6ef19e9awb144a21611ec2170@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any experience with file backed xen servers vs partition backed xen images? Or does anyone have any good links to comparison testing (I have googled and read a bunch I was just curious with personal experience). We are debating which to go with for our testing environment, File backed would be so much easier to clone but if the performance suffers greatly they will not be worth it. Personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sean From mfredriksafstro at satx.rr.com Tue Apr 1 10:30:54 2008 From: mfredriksafstro at satx.rr.com (Bamse) Date: Tue Apr 1 10:31:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Rotating the screen in Ubuntu and saving the setting... In-Reply-To: <200803312122.22614.jdchoate@mcn.org> References: <816faeb50803240631h67c2874csb99111e637b6a434@mail.gmail.com> <47E7CA00.4050809@satx.rr.com> <47F18825.90701@satx.rr.com> <200803312122.22614.jdchoate@mcn.org> Message-ID: <47F2552E.70701@satx.rr.com> John Choate wrote: > On Monday 31 March 2008 19:56:05 Bamse wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> I'm trying to rotate the screen (left) to get a portrait orientation >> rather than landscape. >> I figured out that by adding _Option "RandRRotation" "on"_ in the >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, the option to rotate the screen is now >> available in _System->Preferences->Screen Resolution_. >> >> The screen rotates to portrait and the mouse follows etc... >> >> However as soon as I log off, I loose this setting. >> It would not have bothered me if the login screen were "rotated" so to >> say and as soon as I logged in it got back to Portrait mode. >> But when I log in again I have to go to the _System->Preferences->Screen >> Resolution_ and rotate it to the left again. >> >> Anyone know how to make this permanent ? >> >> /Bamse >> > > If you know, or find out, the command to do this, please post it. I'd like to > know for future reference. > Perhaps the command can be added to ~/bash.profile ... then it will set it for > you when you login. > > John C. > Got it to work in Ubuntu 7.10... First in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, make sure you use the "nvidia" driver and then add, Option "RandRRotation" "on" Supposedly this does only work on the nvidia driver So my setting is, Section "Device" Identifier "nVidia Corporation NV41.1 [GeForce 6800]" Boardname "nv" Busid "PCI:1:0:0" Driver "nvidia" Option "RandRRotation" "on" Screen 0 EndSection Then in your ~/.profile add the following, # Rotate the screen to the left xrandr -o left From mike at nerone.org Tue Apr 1 14:16:57 2008 From: mike at nerone.org (Mike Nerone) Date: Tue Apr 1 14:17:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Rotating the screen in Ubuntu and saving the setting... In-Reply-To: <200803312122.22614.jdchoate@mcn.org> References: <816faeb50803240631h67c2874csb99111e637b6a434@mail.gmail.com> <47E7CA00.4050809@satx.rr.com> <47F18825.90701@satx.rr.com> <200803312122.22614.jdchoate@mcn.org> Message-ID: <47F28A29.4020206@nerone.org> John Choate wrote: > On Monday 31 March 2008 19:56:05 Bamse wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> I'm trying to rotate the screen (left) to get a portrait orientation >> rather than landscape. >> I figured out that by adding _Option "RandRRotation" "on"_ in the >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, the option to rotate the screen is now >> available in _System->Preferences->Screen Resolution_. >> >> The screen rotates to portrait and the mouse follows etc... >> >> However as soon as I log off, I loose this setting. >> It would not have bothered me if the login screen were "rotated" so to >> say and as soon as I logged in it got back to Portrait mode. >> But when I log in again I have to go to the _System->Preferences->Screen >> Resolution_ and rotate it to the left again. >> >> Anyone know how to make this permanent ? >> >> /Bamse >> > > If you know, or find out, the command to do this, please post it. I'd like to > know for future reference. > Perhaps the command can be added to ~/bash.profile ... then it will set it for > you when you login. > > John C. > The problem with that is that it doesn't run until you log in. It sounds like Bamse would like to leave his monitor in portrait orientation permanently, so he would like the screen rotated for the display manager login screen. This is totally possible through xorg.conf, but how to do it is driver specific (and your driver may not support it at all). To see how, you therefore have to look at the docs for the driver of your video card. Bamse, I'm gonna guess that you're using the nvidia driver. Here's an excerpt from nvidia's readme: Option "RandRRotation" "boolean" Enable rotation support for the XRandR extension. This allows use of the XRandR X server extension for configuring the screen orientation through rotation. This feature is supported on GeForce2 or better hardware using depth 24. This requires an X.Org X 6.8.1 or newer X server. This feature does not work with hardware overlays, and emulated overlays will be used instead at a substantial performance penalty. See Appendix U for details. Default: off. Option "Rotate" "string" Enable static rotation support. Unlike the RandRRotation option above, this option takes effect as soon as the X server is started and will work with older versions of X. This feature is supported on GeForce2 or better hardware using depth 24. This feature does not work with hardware overlays, and emulated overlays will be used instead at a substantial performance penalty. This option is not compatible with the RandR extension. Valid rotations are "normal", "left", "inverted", and "right". Default: off. So you probably want [Option "Rotate" "left"] or something similar. Mike Nerone From mike at nerone.org Tue Apr 1 14:22:26 2008 From: mike at nerone.org (Mike Nerone) Date: Tue Apr 1 14:22:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Rotating the screen in Ubuntu and saving the setting... In-Reply-To: <47F28A29.4020206@nerone.org> References: <816faeb50803240631h67c2874csb99111e637b6a434@mail.gmail.com> <47E7CA00.4050809@satx.rr.com> <47F18825.90701@satx.rr.com> <200803312122.22614.jdchoate@mcn.org> <47F28A29.4020206@nerone.org> Message-ID: <47F28B72.5040907@nerone.org> Mike Nerone wrote: > John Choate wrote: >> On Monday 31 March 2008 19:56:05 Bamse wrote: >> >>> Hi again, >>> >>> I'm trying to rotate the screen (left) to get a portrait orientation >>> rather than landscape. >>> I figured out that by adding _Option "RandRRotation" "on"_ in the >>> /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, the option to rotate the screen is now >>> available in _System->Preferences->Screen Resolution_. >>> >>> The screen rotates to portrait and the mouse follows etc... >>> >>> However as soon as I log off, I loose this setting. >>> It would not have bothered me if the login screen were "rotated" so to >>> say and as soon as I logged in it got back to Portrait mode. >>> But when I log in again I have to go to the >>> _System->Preferences->Screen >>> Resolution_ and rotate it to the left again. >>> >>> Anyone know how to make this permanent ? >>> >>> /Bamse >>> >> >> If you know, or find out, the command to do this, please post it. I'd >> like to know for future reference. >> Perhaps the command can be added to ~/bash.profile ... then it will >> set it for you when you login. >> >> John C. >> > The problem with that is that it doesn't run until you log in. It > sounds like Bamse would like to leave his monitor in portrait > orientation permanently, so he would like the screen rotated for the > display manager login screen. This is totally possible through > xorg.conf, but how to do it is driver specific (and your driver may > not support it at all). To see how, you therefore have to look at the > docs for the driver of your video card. Bamse, I'm gonna guess that > you're using the nvidia driver. Here's an excerpt from nvidia's readme: > > Option "RandRRotation" "boolean" > > Enable rotation support for the XRandR extension. This allows > use of the > XRandR X server extension for configuring the screen orientation > through > rotation. This feature is supported on GeForce2 or better > hardware using > depth 24. This requires an X.Org X 6.8.1 or newer X server. This > feature > does not work with hardware overlays, and emulated overlays will > be used > instead at a substantial performance penalty. See Appendix U for > details. > Default: off. > > Option "Rotate" "string" > > Enable static rotation support. Unlike the RandRRotation option > above, > this option takes effect as soon as the X server is started and > will work > with older versions of X. This feature is supported on GeForce2 > or better > hardware using depth 24. This feature does not work with hardware > overlays, and emulated overlays will be used instead at a > substantial > performance penalty. This option is not compatible with the RandR > extension. Valid rotations are "normal", "left", "inverted", and > "right". > Default: off. > > So you probably want [Option "Rotate" "left"] or something similar. > > Mike Nerone I should also mention that I *think* doing this will disable dynamic RandR using the xrandr tool (it doesn't hurt to test that, though), but it doesn't sound like you care about being able to change it dynamically. Mike Nerone From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 15:59:04 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Tue Apr 1 15:59:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? Message-ID: <1207083544.6314.94.camel@mobileHQ> The title says it all. My linux partition on my laptop is running out of space and I need to keep the Vista partition for some screen calibration software that I use to generate monitor profiles, but I would like to steal 35-45Gb from it to create another place for MP3s, etc. I was trying to use gparted, and while I did get the Vista partition unmounted, it wouldn't let me resize it. Do I need to be booting from a live CD to be able to do this? Would a Ubuntu install disk work or is there something better (like a Xandros disk?). ~Nate From jehaywood at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:02:18 2008 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:02:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT(?sorta) Linksys WCG200 - DHCP wrong (or bad) address with routing and NAT turned on In-Reply-To: <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> References: <47EF2E6F.5040600@gmail.com> <47EFEFE5.4090506@gmail.com> <47F0E827.6090607@gmail.com> <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:02 AM, ed wrote: > > > Ok. the WCG200 may have a different default gateway address than my > WTRG54S. Private NAT addresses aren't exactly as constrained as > public/corporate NATing. If it defaults to xxx.xxx.0.1, ya might wanna > let it be, unless you'd care to establish your own network parameters. > > > How I found the 192.168.5.4 address was by turning OFF the routing and > > NATing on my Linksys and letting *their* DHCP set the info on a > > windoze box and looking at it with ipconfig /all. > > > Cute. Then one of my earlier suggestions may apply: you might have had I thought so. :) I didn't check to see if it was working this morning. I had to leave for Austin. You know this is actually for my Dad. I bought the Linksys WCG200 because it only one box for him to keep up with. Grande's tech support would have had him tossing the hardware out and going with theirs. Which is what the first tech kept telling me "the whole problem is since you bought your own we can't do anything to check it". Jennie -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From mike at nerone.org Tue Apr 1 16:13:23 2008 From: mike at nerone.org (Mike Nerone) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:13:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <1207083544.6314.94.camel@mobileHQ> References: <1207083544.6314.94.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: <47F2A573.6080805@nerone.org> I would have expected that to work, but you might also try the SystemRescueCD (http://sysresccd.org/). That has the latest version of gparted (even more recent than the official gparted livecd (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php). Mike Nerone pixelnate wrote: > The title says it all. My linux partition on my laptop is running out of > space and I need to keep the Vista partition for some screen calibration > software that I use to generate monitor profiles, but I would like to > steal 35-45Gb from it to create another place for MP3s, etc. I was > trying to use gparted, and while I did get the Vista partition > unmounted, it wouldn't let me resize it. Do I need to be booting from a > live CD to be able to do this? Would a Ubuntu install disk work or is > there something better (like a Xandros disk?). > > > ~Nate From mike at nerone.org Tue Apr 1 16:16:03 2008 From: mike at nerone.org (Mike Nerone) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:16:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <47F2A573.6080805@nerone.org> References: <1207083544.6314.94.camel@mobileHQ> <47F2A573.6080805@nerone.org> Message-ID: <47F2A613.4050507@nerone.org> Just realized that gparted put out a new livecd for testing TODAY that is the latest version (even a slightly later minor version than on the SystemRescueCD, I'd guess). Mike Mike Nerone wrote: > I would have expected that to work, but you might also try the > SystemRescueCD (http://sysresccd.org/). That has the latest version of > gparted (even more recent than the official gparted livecd > (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php). > > Mike Nerone > > pixelnate wrote: >> The title says it all. My linux partition on my laptop is running out of >> space and I need to keep the Vista partition for some screen calibration >> software that I use to generate monitor profiles, but I would like to >> steal 35-45Gb from it to create another place for MP3s, etc. I was >> trying to use gparted, and while I did get the Vista partition >> unmounted, it wouldn't let me resize it. Do I need to be booting from a >> live CD to be able to do this? Would a Ubuntu install disk work or is >> there something better (like a Xandros disk?). >> >> >> ~Nate > From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:17:52 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:18:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <47F2A613.4050507@nerone.org> References: <1207083544.6314.94.camel@mobileHQ> <47F2A573.6080805@nerone.org> <47F2A613.4050507@nerone.org> Message-ID: <1207084673.6314.95.camel@mobileHQ> On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 16:16 -0500, Mike Nerone wrote: > Just realized that gparted put out a new livecd for testing TODAY that > is the latest version (even a slightly later minor version than on the > SystemRescueCD, I'd guess). Sweet, I'll try that then. ~Nate From othniel at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:34:51 2008 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:35:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <1207083544.6314.94.camel@mobileHQ> References: <1207083544.6314.94.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: <24b598f60804011434k6810e522lfb1239d824d7f9bd@mail.gmail.com> Hey nate Yes I have done a successful resize of someone else's Vista with ubuntu (followed by a dual-boot configuration using ubuntu) so go for it. Othniel On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:59 PM, pixelnate wrote: > The title says it all. My linux partition on my laptop is running out of > space and I need to keep the Vista partition for some screen calibration > software that I use to generate monitor profiles, but I would like to > steal 35-45Gb from it to create another place for MP3s, etc. I was > trying to use gparted, and while I did get the Vista partition > unmounted, it wouldn't let me resize it. Do I need to be booting from a > live CD to be able to do this? Would a Ubuntu install disk work or is > there something better (like a Xandros disk?). > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:39:59 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:40:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT(?sorta) Linksys WCG200 - DHCP wrong (or bad) address with routing and NAT turned on In-Reply-To: References: <47EF2E6F.5040600@gmail.com> <47EFEFE5.4090506@gmail.com> <47F0E827.6090607@gmail.com> <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F2ABAF.9020402@gmail.com> Jennie Haywood wrote: > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:02 AM, ed wrote: > >> > >> Ok. the WCG200 may have a different default gateway address than my >> WTR54GS. Private NAT addresses aren't exactly as constrained as >> public/corporate NATing. If it defaults to xxx.xxx.0.1, ya might wanna >> let it be, unless you'd care to establish your own network parameters. >> >> >>> How I found the 192.168.5.4 address was by turning OFF the routing and >>> >> > NATing on my Linksys and letting *their* DHCP set the info on a >> > windoze box and looking at it with ipconfig /all. >> > >> Cute. Then one of my earlier suggestions may apply: you might have had >> > > I thought so. :) > > I didn't check to see if it was working this morning. I had to leave for Austin. You know this is actually for my Dad. I bought the Linksys WCG200 because it only one box forhim to keep up with. > Hmm... I never asked asked whether the WCG200 was wired or wireless... My WTR54GS does both wired and wireless routing, and I have it doing both. > Grande's tech support would have had him tossing the hardware out and going with theirs. Which is what the first tech kept telling me "the whole problem is since you bought your own we can't do anything to check it". > > Sheesh... And I thought TWC was bad, but even they will help you with your own equipment. They even site web links to go for both Linux and wireless assistance... I'm off to teach school now. Please let me know how it runs today, if you get the opportunity. Cheers; Ed From johnrkirby at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:46:21 2008 From: johnrkirby at gmail.com (John Kirby) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:46:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? Message-ID: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> Nate, Your best bet might be to go into Vista, right-click on "computer", click "manage", "disk management". It's how I resized my Vista partition for my dual-boot, and I just felt a little better resizing Vista in Vista. Plus, it's actually a pretty intuitive interface, as partition managers go. From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Tue Apr 1 16:53:05 2008 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:55:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? Message-ID: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> What POP3 server would people on the list recommend to replace gnu-pop3d? I've been using gnu-pop3d forever, and it now seems that many services / clients require "UIDL" capability on the POP3 server level, and gnu-pop3d apparently doesn't support it. I'm just wondering what any/everyone would recommend as a good, similarly-solid replacement? Or is there a trusted place that has a UIDL-capable version? This seems like it might be promising.. http://www.jth.net/virtual.html Anyway, if anyone has any insight, that would be great! David From techgeeks at aaronhackney.com Tue Apr 1 16:59:44 2008 From: techgeeks at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:59:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT(?sorta) Linksys WCG200 - DHCP wrong (or bad) address with routing and NAT turned on In-Reply-To: <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> References: <47EF2E6F.5040600@gmail.com> <47EFEFE5.4090506@gmail.com> <47F0E827.6090607@gmail.com> <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F2B050.9000105@aaronhackney.com> >> How I found the 192.168.5.4 address was by turning OFF the routing and >> NATing on my Linksys and letting *their* DHCP set the info on a >> windoze box and looking at it with ipconfig /all. >> >> > Cute. Then one of my earlier suggestions may apply: you might have had > a rogue server injected somewhere in your up-channel network. Under the > best of conditions, some people's kids don't understand the need to > isolate their networks when experimenting with creating a server. If it > was an intentional hack, however... > I would packet sniff your PC's DHCP request from the ISP. If there is a rouge server or multiple DHCP servers, you should see DHCP offers from several DHCP servers, as well as a single ACK and (possible many) NACK(s) from your PC. HTH -A >> This morning it was down again. So I went thru the process of >> turning off the routing and NATing to let their (Grande's) DHCP setup >> the windoze box: >> >> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 66.90.163.202 >> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.254.0 >> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 66.90.163.254 >> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.5.4 >> >> > Obviously, we're NOT talking about YOUR router here... The DHCP server > in you list is definitely rogue... > >> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 66.90.132.162 >> 66.90.130.10 >> >> So I copied that to notepad and decided to see what would happen if I >> put the routing and NATing back on and let the router pick up a DHCP >> address. It came up with a 24.155.114.XXX address. Which *miracle of >> miracles* worked! So I guess they fixed whatever was whigging out >> with the DHCP. >> >> > Yeah, by switching over to one of Grande's alternate nets > (24.xx.xx.xx)... See below. Expect a switch-back sometime in the near > future, unless maybe they've undergone a net assignment change. > Unusual, but... > > Grande Communications Networks, Inc. GRANDECOM-03 (NET-24-155-0-0-1) > 24.155.0.0 - > 24.155.255.255 > > Grande Communications SAN ANTONIO GRANDECOM-MARKET03 > (NET-24-155-112-0-1) > 24.155.112.0 - 24.155.115.255 > >> Why couldn't the tech support guys just say there could be OR is a routing issue and we are looking into it??? >> Why tell me that it's my hardware when I know full well it's NOT my hardware. >> >> > I dunno... Arrogance, your gender, any number of pig-headed reasons. > According to most ISPs, its never their problem, even if the building's > burning down around them. Go figure... > > Cheers; > Ed > > > From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 17:05:01 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:05:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 16:46 -0500, John Kirby wrote: > Nate, > > Your best bet might be to go into Vista, right-click on "computer", click > "manage", "disk management". > > It's how I resized my Vista partition for my dual-boot, and I just felt a > little better resizing Vista in Vista. Plus, it's actually a pretty > intuitive interface, as partition managers go. You're the man. That is exactly what I am going to do. Thanks, guys. ~Nate From jehaywood at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 17:09:11 2008 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:09:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT(?sorta) Linksys WCG200 - DHCP wrong (or bad) address with routing and NAT turned on In-Reply-To: <47F2ABAF.9020402@gmail.com> References: <47EF2E6F.5040600@gmail.com> <47EFEFE5.4090506@gmail.com> <47F0E827.6090607@gmail.com> <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> <47F2ABAF.9020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM, ed wrote: > Jennie Haywood wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:02 AM, ed wrote: > > > >> > > >> Ok. the WCG200 may have a different default gateway address than my > >> WTR54GS. Private NAT addresses aren't exactly as constrained as > > >> public/corporate NATing. If it defaults to xxx.xxx.0.1, ya might wanna > >> let it be, unless you'd care to establish your own network parameters. > >> > >> > >>> How I found the 192.168.5.4 address was by turning OFF the routing and > >>> > >> > NATing on my Linksys and letting *their* DHCP set the info on a > >> > windoze box and looking at it with ipconfig /all. > >> > > >> Cute. Then one of my earlier suggestions may apply: you might have had > >> > > > > I thought so. :) > > > > I didn't check to see if it was working this morning. I had to leave for Austin. You know this is actually for my Dad. I bought the Linksys WCG200 because it only one box forhim to keep up with. > > > Hmm... I never asked asked whether the WCG200 was wired or > wireless... My WTR54GS does both wired and wireless routing, and I > have it doing both. the wcg200 can do both and I do have it doing both. -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Apr 1 17:12:05 2008 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:12:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> Message-ID: <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> David Salisbury wrote: > What POP3 server would people on the list recommend to replace gnu-pop3d? I've been using gnu-pop3d forever, and it now seems that many services / clients require "UIDL" capability on the POP3 server level, and gnu-pop3d apparently doesn't support it. I'm just wondering what any/everyone would recommend as a good, similarly-solid replacement? Or is there a trusted place that has a UIDL-capable version? This seems like it might be promising.. > > http://www.jth.net/virtual.html > > Anyway, if anyone has any insight, that would be great! > David I suggest you look into Dovecot. I can't give really convincing, technical reasons for liking Dovecot other than it being fairly featureful, very flexible, and fairly easy to work with. As for keeping the UIDLs in tact, take a look at the following link to see if there are any applicable instructions: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration I would consider Dovecot ready for primetime. After all, it is now the default POP3/IMAP server in RHEL5. Cheers, Daniel From jehaywood at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 19:45:32 2008 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Tue Apr 1 19:45:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT(?sorta) Linksys WCG200 - DHCP wrong (or bad) address with routing and NAT turned on In-Reply-To: <47F2B050.9000105@aaronhackney.com> References: <47EF2E6F.5040600@gmail.com> <47EFEFE5.4090506@gmail.com> <47F0E827.6090607@gmail.com> <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> <47F2B050.9000105@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Aaron Hackney wrote: > > >> How I found the 192.168.5.4 address was by turning OFF the routing and > >> NATing on my Linksys and letting *their* DHCP set the info on a > >> windoze box and looking at it with ipconfig /all. > >> > >> > > Cute. Then one of my earlier suggestions may apply: you might have had > > a rogue server injected somewhere in your up-channel network. Under the > > best of conditions, some people's kids don't understand the need to > > isolate their networks when experimenting with creating a server. If it > > was an intentional hack, however... > > > I would packet sniff your PC's DHCP request from the ISP. If there is a > rouge server or multiple DHCP servers, you should see DHCP offers from > several DHCP servers, as well as a single ACK and (possible many) > NACK(s) from your PC. > HTH > -A > I see if I have snoop on my linux box.... but it'll all have to wait till I get back to SA. -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From mike at nerone.org Tue Apr 1 19:50:07 2008 From: mike at nerone.org (Mike Nerone) Date: Tue Apr 1 19:50:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> Message-ID: <47F2D83F.3090200@nerone.org> If you're an admin type, I love Cyrus IMAP server (which fully supports POP3, as well). The catch is that it doesn't use a standard mbox or maildir storage format, so you can't use some old-school mail tools to read it (such as the venerable mailx) - you *have* to access your mail via IMAP or POP3. For my purposes, that's fine though, and Cyrus is highly efficient and high-performance, and gives you other features such as Sieve, which is a server-side filtering mechanism. It wouldn't work out of the box with a standard MTA configuration, since standard configurations almost always use mbox or maildir, so you do have to configure your MTA a bit (it's not difficult - the MTA can deliver to cyrus via standard LMTP, which is directly supported by all modern MTAs). Mike David Salisbury wrote: > What POP3 server would people on the list recommend to replace gnu-pop3d? I've been using gnu-pop3d forever, and it now seems that many services / clients require "UIDL" capability on the POP3 server level, and gnu-pop3d apparently doesn't support it. I'm just wondering what any/everyone would recommend as a good, similarly-solid replacement? Or is there a trusted place that has a UIDL-capable version? This seems like it might be promising.. > > http://www.jth.net/virtual.html > > Anyway, if anyone has any insight, that would be great! > David > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 22:55:32 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Apr 1 22:55:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: I just want to chime in. :-D I used gparted a few weeks ago to move 30 gig from my linux partition to my vista partition....what a nightmare. The entire process took about 38 hours. In the end all was well. During the process though I was nervous that everything on both partitions was gone. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 23:08:04 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 1 23:08:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: So do you have any pointers that helped you solve you problem? ~Nate From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 23:10:00 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Apr 1 23:10:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] raw output to /dev/ttyUSB1? Message-ID: <869de8470804012110y1da7d892sc843fa8aaa30a1b8@mail.gmail.com> Well, not much progress has been made with the Sprint Aircard and the GPS project that I have been working on. Stupid work keeps getting in the way. ;P I have a printout of the hex codes sent down the line to the aircard and the responses from the aircard in Windows and the printout is in hex/ASCII, but a lot of the codes are control codes that don't translate to any text commands. So, is there any way to directly write these unknown codes to the serial port using something like Minicom? (like Hex 00, 0F,01,05,etc?) I think I got the sequences figured out, but it's been a while since I fired up the Artigo that I use to run it. The capture files are all on that machine. :( Thanks in advance. FIRESTORM_v1 From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Apr 2 00:42:49 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Apr 2 00:42:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Image vs Partition In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00804010827p6ef19e9awb144a21611ec2170@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00804010827p6ef19e9awb144a21611ec2170@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804020042.49577.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 01 April 2008 10:27:06 am Sean I wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with file backed xen servers vs > partition backed xen images? Or does anyone have any good links to > comparison testing (I have googled and read a bunch I was just curious > with personal experience). We are debating which to go with for our > testing environment, File backed would be so much easier to clone but > if the performance suffers greatly they will not be worth it. > Personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Partition based is much faster.. However.. if you want the best of both worlds.. decide how much disk space that you can give up to ALL of the Xen VMs you would ever want, and partition off that much of your drive as a single LVM partition.. and then set up LVM2. This will allow you to slice and dice it at will.. wipre, reallocate, etc.. never touching fdisk again for your VMs.. it's blazingly fast, but with all the flexability of file based. If you've never done LVM before.. here's a pointer in the Xen context that I mentioned: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8812 Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Apr 2 01:05:45 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Apr 2 01:05:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] raw output to /dev/ttyUSB1? In-Reply-To: <869de8470804012110y1da7d892sc843fa8aaa30a1b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470804012110y1da7d892sc843fa8aaa30a1b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804020105.46054.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 01 April 2008 11:10:00 pm FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Well, not much progress has been made with the Sprint Aircard and the GPS > project that I have been working on. Stupid work keeps getting in the way. > ;P > > I have a printout of the hex codes sent down the line to the aircard and > the responses from the aircard in Windows and the printout is in hex/ASCII, > but a lot of the codes are control codes that don't translate to any text > commands. > > So, is there any way to directly write these unknown codes to the serial > port using something like Minicom? (like Hex 00, 0F,01,05,etc?) echo them out to the serial device... First.. figure out your "message": $ echo -e '\x54\x57\x45\x45\x4B\x53' TWEEKS Then point it where you want it: $ echo -e '\x54\x57\x45\x45\x4B\x53' > /dev/ttyS0 (COM1 in PC weenie lingo) This what you're looking for? If you need to ref your ascii table.. see: $ man ascii Handy old time man page.. :) Tweeks From justin.burdette at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 07:43:15 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Wed Apr 2 07:43:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network Message-ID: I finally decided it was time to upgrade my home network. I'm adding in wifi, and I'm also buying a couple of small form factor Dell units (P3) to run as firewall, web server, DHCP, etc... I'm trying to figure out what distro would be the best for these applications. What I'd prefer is something that I can log into from my main PC (using OpenSUSE 10.3, probably through rdesktop or something like it) as these machines won't have a monitor/keyboard/mouse attached. I'd like to be able to run a basic GUI...no need for GNOME or KDE, but will probably go with Fluxbox. My next question, which I shouldn't even have to ask, but I haven't done mixed networks in so long that I've forgotten how. What I would like to do is run all of my wired units with static IP addresses and have DHCP assign addresses for wifi connections and wired machines that I'm working on for customers. The Linksys I have doesn't seem to like static IPs when its DHCP is enabled...it was set to assign in the 192.168.1.100-150 range and I couldn't do anything with my static IP of 192.168.1.50. Is there an easy way to set this up on a Linux DHCP server? Last question...I presume the firewall box should do strictly that, no DHCP, Apache, FTP server, etc...correct? A P3 system with enough RAM and swap should be able to handle the other services, yes? Thanks again...always great to have a group of people to bounce ideas around with. Maybe next time I can make it to the meeting, too! Justin From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 2 09:01:44 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 2 08:01:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reversing Loss, Microsoft Wins Open-Format Designation Message-ID: <200804021401.m32E1iCg023796@biochem.uthscsa.edu> In today's New York Times...what is this, let's vote until we get the result we want? This doesn't look good for OpenOffice being accepted as the standard. -b. **************************************************************************** Reversing Loss, Microsoft Wins Open-Format Designation By KEVIN J. O'BRIEN Published: April 2, 2008 Microsoft has won an international standards designation for its open-document format, according to voting results obtained Tuesday, apparently ending a divisive yearlong battle with software rivals before a global standards-setting organization. Microsoft's Office Open XML, a format for interchangeable Web documents, was approved by 24 of 32 countries in a core group in a ballot by the International Organization for Standardization. Approval by the standards-setting body, a nongovernmental network of 157 countries based in Geneva, is considered almost certain to influence software spending by governments and large companies. The tally reversed a loss by Microsoft in first-round voting before an 87-nation panel in September, a process that involved blunt lobbying by both sides toward members of national standards committees - typically made up of technicians, engineers and bureaucrats. In the final round of voting, which ended Saturday, three-quarters of the core group members - including Britain, Japan, Germany and Switzerland - supported Microsoft's standard, according to the results document. Of the 87 votes, 10 opposed the standard: Brazil, Canada, China, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, New Zealand, South Africa and Venezuela. Under organization rules, at least 66 percent of core group members must accept a standard for it to be approved, and no more than 25 percent of all voting nations can be opposed. Roger Frost, a spokesman in Geneva for the standardization group, would not confirm that Microsoft's format had been designated, saying the organization would disclose the vote Wednesday after informing its members. The International Herald Tribune obtained the results from one of the delegations contacted by the standardization group. Microsoft's request for rapid approval of its standard in early 2007 produced an intense lobbying campaign by I.B.M. and Sun Microsystems, which had helped develop a rival interchangeable document format called Open Document Format. This rival was the first interchangeable document format to receive approval by the standardization group in 2006, and its backers used that in selling the technology to governments and large companies. The format is now being considered for use by 70 nations. Microsoft's push for speedy approval led to objections from many members of the standards group. They felt pressure from the company, whose Office application suite is the standard on more than 90 percent of computers and archives worldwide, according to International Data in Framingham, Mass. There were tart remarks even from countries that abstained from the vote, like the Netherlands. "This is like someone with six shopping carts of food trying to go through the express lane at a supermarket," said Michiel Leenaars, a member of the Dutch delegation. "The end result of this will be confusion. The standard is simply too big. There are still a lot of questions out there." From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 08:25:07 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 2 08:25:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0804020625i4d55025ey1c208c6dc0c403aa@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Justin Burdette wrote: > I finally decided it was time to upgrade my home network. I'm adding in > wifi, and I'm also buying a couple of small form factor Dell units (P3) to > run as firewall, web server, DHCP, etc... > > I'm trying to figure out what distro would be the best for these > applications. What I'd prefer is something that I can log into from my main > PC (using OpenSUSE 10.3, probably through rdesktop or something like it) as > these machines won't have a monitor/keyboard/mouse attached. I'd like to be > able to run a basic GUI...no need for GNOME or KDE, but will probably go > with Fluxbox. Its about time for another flame war ;) No seriously, you'll get all kinds of responses as to what distro to run. All of them are equally good. Personally, I run Slack 12 on my home server for years. Its what I call Linux in one of the pure forms. I also tried Gentoo for awhile but the box was always compiling something to keep up to date. Ubuntu is good, but I've never run in server form, so I can't comment on that. Here at work we run three clusters with 113 CPUs on CentOS 4.3. > My next question, which I shouldn't even have to ask, but I haven't done > mixed networks in so long that I've forgotten how. What I would like to do > is run all of my wired units with static IP addresses and have DHCP assign > addresses for wifi connections and wired machines that I'm working on for > customers. The Linksys I have doesn't seem to like static IPs when its DHCP > is enabled...it was set to assign in the 192.168.1.100-150 range and I > couldn't do anything with my static IP of 192.168.1.50. Is there an easy way > to set this up on a Linux DHCP server? If you're using the Linksys just for wireless, then I would disable everything I could on it and let your server serve out DHCP requests. Its not hard, if Geoff's around he did the same. I think what he did was to not use the WAN input, but connect one of the Linksys switch ports to his existing switch. > Last question...I presume the firewall box should do strictly that, no DHCP, > Apache, FTP server, etc...correct? A P3 system with enough RAM and swap > should be able to handle the other services, yes? Depends on what you want your electric bill to be ;) I'm in favor of an all in one server. I have a P3 666mhz with 512MB and it runs Apache, DHCP, XBMC, MySQL, Samba and World Community Grid. I have never had to reboot it and it runs very well. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 10:37:03 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Apr 2 10:37:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0804020625i4d55025ey1c208c6dc0c403aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0804020625i4d55025ey1c208c6dc0c403aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you already buy the P3 units? If not, I would not buy one for a firewall/DHCP, just one for the web server you're talking about. The linksys firmware is more than capable of handling 99% of firewall/DHCP needs, and if you need something slightly beyond that, then just flash the firmware with DDWRT/HYPRWRT and you'll get a lot more. I say this from personal experience. After constantly battling heat in my apartment (when I lived in San Antonio) due to 10+ machines running on a home-brew rack, I went ahead and bought a nice linksys WRT-54GL and flashed it with DD-WRT. To this day (several years later) it works like a charm. As an aside, I also ditched the mail and web servers and just use Gmail and a GoDaddy hosting account, but that's totally my choice and not what you may be wanting to do. I found that paying 50 bucks for the router, $0 for email, and about $72 per year for hosting is tons cheaper than running 10 boxes (electricity and maintenance) not to mention that it is a better choice for the environment. This lets me sleep better at night knowing that I did something to help our favorite birds in tuxedos keep their habitat. The linksys should work fine with mixed static and dynamic IPs. I setup a friend's network on the default linksys firmware with his printers and main boxes in the .1.2-.1.10 range and doled out .1.11-.1.200 for anything that connects otherwise (laptops, 360, PS3, Wii, etc.) I don't know why it would give you issue with the static IPs since it doesn't control that range, it simply routes requests to the appropriate IPs. If you want to run a web server, I recommend using Ubuntu server with the basic LAMP build. You can elaborate on that if you need to later, but it's pretty robust and secure out of the gate. Just remember to test everything afterward and do a property security assessment on the box (especially if you DMZ it vs. forwarding port 80 to it.) I've been pretty lucky with Ubuntu locking everything down except for the necessary ports, but things can always change. Ernest On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Justin Burdette > wrote: > > I finally decided it was time to upgrade my home network. I'm adding in > > wifi, and I'm also buying a couple of small form factor Dell units (P3) > to > > run as firewall, web server, DHCP, etc... > > > > I'm trying to figure out what distro would be the best for these > > applications. What I'd prefer is something that I can log into from my > main > > PC (using OpenSUSE 10.3, probably through rdesktop or something like > it) as > > these machines won't have a monitor/keyboard/mouse attached. I'd like > to be > > able to run a basic GUI...no need for GNOME or KDE, but will probably > go > > with Fluxbox. > > Its about time for another flame war ;) No seriously, you'll get all > kinds of responses as to what distro to run. All of them are equally > good. Personally, I run Slack 12 on my home server for years. Its what > I call Linux in one of the pure forms. I also tried Gentoo for awhile > but the box was always compiling something to keep up to date. Ubuntu > is good, but I've never run in server form, so I can't comment on > that. Here at work we run three clusters with 113 CPUs on CentOS 4.3. > > > My next question, which I shouldn't even have to ask, but I haven't > done > > mixed networks in so long that I've forgotten how. What I would like to > do > > is run all of my wired units with static IP addresses and have DHCP > assign > > addresses for wifi connections and wired machines that I'm working on > for > > customers. The Linksys I have doesn't seem to like static IPs when its > DHCP > > is enabled...it was set to assign in the 192.168.1.100-150 range and I > > couldn't do anything with my static IP of 192.168.1.50. Is there an > easy way > > to set this up on a Linux DHCP server? > > If you're using the Linksys just for wireless, then I would disable > everything I could on it and let your server serve out DHCP requests. > Its not hard, if Geoff's around he did the same. I think what he did > was to not use the WAN input, but connect one of the Linksys switch > ports to his existing switch. > > > Last question...I presume the firewall box should do strictly that, no > DHCP, > > Apache, FTP server, etc...correct? A P3 system with enough RAM and swap > > should be able to handle the other services, yes? > > Depends on what you want your electric bill to be ;) I'm in favor of > an all in one server. I have a P3 666mhz with 512MB and it runs > Apache, DHCP, XBMC, MySQL, Samba and World Community Grid. I have > never had to reboot it and it runs very well. > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Apr 2 10:51:58 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Apr 2 10:52:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <20080402105158.rlf6o0ibk0owkg4c@shlrm.org> Quoting "Daniel J. Givens" : > David Salisbury wrote: >> What POP3 server would people on the list recommend to replace >> gnu-pop3d? I've been using gnu-pop3d forever, and it now seems >> that many services / clients require "UIDL" capability on the POP3 >> server level, and gnu-pop3d apparently doesn't support it. I'm >> just wondering what any/everyone would recommend as a good, >> similarly-solid replacement? Or is there a trusted place that has >> a UIDL-capable version? This seems like it might be promising.. >> >> http://www.jth.net/virtual.html >> >> Anyway, if anyone has any insight, that would be great! >> David > > I suggest you look into Dovecot. I can't give really convincing, > technical reasons for liking Dovecot other than it being fairly > featureful, very flexible, and fairly easy to work with. As for keeping > the UIDLs in tact, take a look at the following link to see if there > are any applicable instructions: > > http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration > > I would consider Dovecot ready for primetime. After all, it is now the > default POP3/IMAP server in RHEL5. > I'll throw my weight behind dovecot as well. It's really easy. Works really well. Supports mbox or maildir. it's really fast. It's the best one out there, IMHO. -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 11:15:33 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 2 11:15:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <20080402105158.rlf6o0ibk0owkg4c@shlrm.org> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> <20080402105158.rlf6o0ibk0owkg4c@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <79ec289f0804020915w539cf976v3542058f89f95feb@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM, David Kowis wrote: > Quoting "Daniel J. Givens" : > I'll throw my weight behind dovecot as well. It's really easy. Works really > well. Supports mbox or maildir. it's really fast. Same here. I converted our existing UW imap/pop3 email server to Dovecot about 6 months ago. Installation wasn't that hard, but boy can I tell you about the speed of Dovecot. It's very, very fast. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From leif at paisd.net Wed Apr 2 11:19:17 2008 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed Apr 2 11:19:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0804020915w539cf976v3542058f89f95feb@mail.gmail.com> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> <20080402105158.rlf6o0ibk0owkg4c@shlrm.org> <79ec289f0804020915w539cf976v3542058f89f95feb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM, David Kowis wrote: >> Quoting "Daniel J. Givens" : > >> I'll throw my weight behind dovecot as well. It's really easy. Works really >> well. Supports mbox or maildir. it's really fast. > > Same here. I converted our existing UW imap/pop3 email server to > Dovecot about 6 months ago. Installation wasn't that hard, but boy can > I tell you about the speed of Dovecot. It's very, very fast. > Ditto on Dovecot. I'm using it now for a year w/ 80 staff accounts. Fast and trouble-free. Sincerely, Leif Johnson From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 11:48:06 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Apr 2 11:48:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F3B8C6.4060207@gmail.com> Justin Burdette wrote: > I finally decided it was time to upgrade my home network. I'm adding in > wifi, and I'm also buying a couple of small form factor Dell units (P3) to > run as firewall, web server, DHCP, etc... > > I'm trying to figure out what distro would be the best for these > applications. What I'd prefer is something that I can log into from my main > PC (using OpenSUSE 10.3, probably through rdesktop or something like it) as > these machines won't have a monitor/keyboard/mouse attached. I'd like to be > able to run a basic GUI...no need for GNOME or KDE, but will probably go > with Fluxbox. > > My next question, which I shouldn't even have to ask, but I haven't done > mixed networks in so long that I've forgotten how. What I would like to do > is run all of my wired units with static IP addresses and have DHCP assign > addresses for wifi connections and wired machines that I'm working on for > customers. The Linksys I have doesn't seem to like static IPs when its DHCP > is enabled...it was set to assign in the 192.168.1.100-150 range and I > couldn't do anything with my static IP of 192.168.1.50. Is there an easy way > to set this up on a Linux DHCP server? > > Last question...I presume the firewall box should do strictly that, no DHCP, > Apache, FTP server, etc...correct? A P3 system with enough RAM and swap > should be able to handle the other services, yes? > > Thanks again...always great to have a group of people to bounce ideas around > with. Maybe next time I can make it to the meeting, too! I use Linux From Scratch for exactly that application. It doesn't take a lot of horsepower to run a firewall. Mine is 800MHz with only 128M ram. I do also have a print server hooked up to it. Adding dhcp would also be reasonable, but I prefer static addresses. I don't encumber my servers with X or a window manager, so they are quite lean. In fact, the system does not even have a keyboard or monitor. The fewer applications you have on the box, the less often you need to upgrade the applications. Other than a basic LFS install, you would only need iptables, sudo, dhcp, openssh, and openssl. Optional packages may be postfix (for mailing status messages only), ntp, and logrotate. The whole system would be less than 300M of disk space and you can get that down to less than 100M if you wanted to without a lot of effort. Adding other capabilities like cups is not unreasonable. -- Bruce From masterr at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 11:59:01 2008 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed Apr 2 11:59:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <14842c410804020959i6b0a0e81tc55b2776d831bfef@mail.gmail.com> I agree with going with Dovecot. I use it at work for our POP3 and at home for a local IMAP server for sharing email between computers. Easy to set up and get working with only slight editing of the config files and hasn't caused any problems for met yet either at home or work. -Jon On 4/1/08, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > David Salisbury wrote: > > > What POP3 server would people on the list recommend to replace gnu-pop3d? > I've been using gnu-pop3d forever, and it now seems that many services / > clients require "UIDL" capability on the POP3 server level, and gnu-pop3d > apparently doesn't support it. I'm just wondering what any/everyone would > recommend as a good, similarly-solid replacement? Or is there a trusted > place that has a UIDL-capable version? This seems like it might be > promising.. > > > > http://www.jth.net/virtual.html > > > > Anyway, if anyone has any insight, that would be great! > > David > > > > I suggest you look into Dovecot. I can't give really convincing, technical > reasons for liking Dovecot other than it being fairly featureful, very > flexible, and fairly easy to work with. As for keeping the UIDLs in tact, > take a look at the following link to see if there are any applicable > instructions: > > http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration > > I would consider Dovecot ready for primetime. After all, it is now the > default POP3/IMAP server in RHEL5. > > Cheers, > Daniel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From masterr at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 12:00:48 2008 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed Apr 2 12:00:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <14842c410804020959i6b0a0e81tc55b2776d831bfef@mail.gmail.com> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> <14842c410804020959i6b0a0e81tc55b2776d831bfef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410804021000s2fc7e81ay233793b58140a298@mail.gmail.com> Oh yeah slight update. At work we have 20+ email accounts with about 200+ emails and 300+MB worth off attachments every day. Dovecot handles it fine and fast. -Jon On 4/2/08, Jonathan Hull wrote: > I agree with going with Dovecot. I use it at work for our POP3 and at > home for a local IMAP server for sharing email between computers. Easy > to set up and get working with only slight editing of the config files > and hasn't caused any problems for met yet either at home or work. > > -Jon > > > On 4/1/08, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > David Salisbury wrote: > > > > > What POP3 server would people on the list recommend to replace gnu-pop3d? > > I've been using gnu-pop3d forever, and it now seems that many services / > > clients require "UIDL" capability on the POP3 server level, and gnu-pop3d > > apparently doesn't support it. I'm just wondering what any/everyone would > > recommend as a good, similarly-solid replacement? Or is there a trusted > > place that has a UIDL-capable version? This seems like it might be > > promising.. > > > > > > http://www.jth.net/virtual.html > > > > > > Anyway, if anyone has any insight, that would be great! > > > David > > > > > > > I suggest you look into Dovecot. I can't give really convincing, technical > > reasons for liking Dovecot other than it being fairly featureful, very > > flexible, and fairly easy to work with. As for keeping the UIDLs in tact, > > take a look at the following link to see if there are any applicable > > instructions: > > > > http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration > > > > I would consider Dovecot ready for primetime. After all, it is now the > > default POP3/IMAP server in RHEL5. > > > > Cheers, > > Daniel > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > From dacrummie at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 12:03:12 2008 From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie) Date: Wed Apr 2 12:03:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: The safest way is to go through Computer Management in Admin Tools and shrink the volume in Disk Management, and it doesn't take a couple of days to finish. -- Dale Crummie US Army (Vet) 7th Grp SF SOCOM CTU From masterr at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 12:07:46 2008 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Wed Apr 2 12:07:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reversing Loss, Microsoft Wins Open-Format Designation In-Reply-To: <200804021401.m32E1iCg023796@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200804021401.m32E1iCg023796@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <14842c410804021007m5cc91cffk3e35441eecbbdd3e@mail.gmail.com> Dang. I was hoping that story was just an April Fool's joke. With all the known corruption and consistencies in the voting I hope this gets investigated and reversed, but judging by ISO's reputation sadly that probably won't happen... grrrr. This is the worst "standard" they could have approved. -Jon On 4/2/08, Borries Demeler wrote: > In today's New York Times...what is this, let's vote until we get the > result we want? This doesn't look good for OpenOffice being accepted as > the standard. > -b. > > **************************************************************************** > Reversing Loss, Microsoft Wins Open-Format Designation > > By KEVIN J. O'BRIEN > Published: April 2, 2008 > > Microsoft has won an international standards designation for its > open-document format, according to voting results obtained Tuesday, > apparently ending a divisive yearlong battle with software rivals before > a global standards-setting organization. > > Microsoft's Office Open XML, a format for interchangeable Web documents, > was approved by 24 of 32 countries in a core group in a ballot by > the International Organization for Standardization. Approval by the > standards-setting body, a nongovernmental network of 157 countries based > in Geneva, is considered almost certain to influence software spending > by governments and large companies. > > The tally reversed a loss by Microsoft in first-round voting before an > 87-nation panel in September, a process that involved blunt lobbying by > both sides toward members of national standards committees - typically > made up of technicians, engineers and bureaucrats. > > In the final round of voting, which ended Saturday, three-quarters of the > core group members - including Britain, Japan, Germany and Switzerland - > supported Microsoft's standard, according to the results document. Of > the 87 votes, 10 opposed the standard: Brazil, Canada, China, Cuba, > Ecuador, India, Iran, New Zealand, South Africa and Venezuela. > > Under organization rules, at least 66 percent of core group members must > accept a standard for it to be approved, and no more than 25 percent of > all voting nations can be opposed. > > Roger Frost, a spokesman in Geneva for the standardization group, > would not confirm that Microsoft's format had been designated, saying > the organization would disclose the vote Wednesday after informing its > members. The International Herald Tribune obtained the results from one > of the delegations contacted by the standardization group. > > Microsoft's request for rapid approval of its standard in early 2007 > produced an intense lobbying campaign by I.B.M. and Sun Microsystems, > which had helped develop a rival interchangeable document format called > Open Document Format. > > This rival was the first interchangeable document format to receive > approval by the standardization group in 2006, and its backers used that > in selling the technology to governments and large companies. The format > is now being considered for use by 70 nations. > > Microsoft's push for speedy approval led to objections from many members > of the standards group. They felt pressure from the company, whose Office > application suite is the standard on more than 90 percent of computers and > archives worldwide, according to International Data in Framingham, Mass. > > There were tart remarks even from countries that abstained from the > vote, like the Netherlands. "This is like someone with six shopping > carts of food trying to go through the express lane at a supermarket," > said Michiel Leenaars, a member of the Dutch delegation. "The end result > of this will be confusion. The standard is simply too big. There are > still a lot of questions out there." > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 12:13:48 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 2 12:13:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <14842c410804021000s2fc7e81ay233793b58140a298@mail.gmail.com> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <47F2B335.9090000@rugmonster.org> <14842c410804020959i6b0a0e81tc55b2776d831bfef@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410804021000s2fc7e81ay233793b58140a298@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0804021013q4f9cf19apa3d592b3118bc28c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Hull wrote: > Oh yeah slight update. At work we have 20+ email accounts with about > 200+ emails and 300+MB worth off attachments every day. Dovecot > handles it fine and fast. This is exactly why we switched. We have about a hundred email accounts and mailbox sizes ranging from empty to over a gig, and Dovecot handles it in stride. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From twistedpickles at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 12:54:48 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Wed Apr 2 12:54:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: It shouldn't have taken as long as it did. I'm not sure what really went wrong. My Vista partition initially was 30G. I never planned on putting any other than Traktor 3 on there but then I bought NI's Komplete Kore package. With only 1G left I decided to move over 30 more from my Linux partition. The gui was simple enough to use but because of the way my partitions were laid out I had to move 30G from linux to swap then to vista. That was the ONLY way to do it, otherwise it would prefer to move the entire vista partion and that would probably affect booting into Vista. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From satlug at net153.net Wed Apr 2 13:13:53 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Apr 2 13:13:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F3CCE1.4030108@net153.net> Justin Burdette wrote: > I finally decided it was time to upgrade my home network. I'm adding in > wifi, and I'm also buying a couple of small form factor Dell units (P3) to > run as firewall, web server, DHCP, etc... > > I'm trying to figure out what distro would be the best for these > applications. What I'd prefer is something that I can log into from my main > PC (using OpenSUSE 10.3, probably through rdesktop or something like it) as > these machines won't have a monitor/keyboard/mouse attached. I'd like to be > able to run a basic GUI...no need for GNOME or KDE, but will probably go > with Fluxbox. > > My next question, which I shouldn't even have to ask, but I haven't done > mixed networks in so long that I've forgotten how. What I would like to do > is run all of my wired units with static IP addresses and have DHCP assign > addresses for wifi connections and wired machines that I'm working on for > customers. The Linksys I have doesn't seem to like static IPs when its DHCP > is enabled...it was set to assign in the 192.168.1.100-150 range and I > couldn't do anything with my static IP of 192.168.1.50. Is there an easy way > to set this up on a Linux DHCP server? > > Last question...I presume the firewall box should do strictly that, no DHCP, > Apache, FTP server, etc...correct? A P3 system with enough RAM and swap > should be able to handle the other services, yes? > > Thanks again...always great to have a group of people to bounce ideas around > with. Maybe next time I can make it to the meeting, too! > > Justin I have been hooked on smoothwall for about 5 years now: http://www.smoothwall.org/ Version 3.0 is out now but I am still using version 2 as it has more mods and requires less resources. You really only need a 300mhz 256mb box to run this. The advantage I see of smoothwall over a linksys is you just have more power to play with. You can do full content filtering/blocking for web and email, (linksys can do that too but in a much more simple manor). Easily have 4 nics and 4 separate networks. The Squid web caching is nice and a FULL featured QOS/traffic shaping mod is also nice. And you also have huge choice of all kinds of traffic and content monitoring services. Yes you could install a traditional os and install all of these programs your self but then you have to figure out how to interface it all into a web configuration page unless you want to do everything from ssh but then you cant have pretty web based traffic graphs and stuff. The linksys are nice, but I just can't separate myself from all the power that I have with a full fledged firewall distro. Sam From siffland at nerdshack.com Wed Apr 2 13:31:41 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Apr 2 13:31:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: <3ae131d00804021131m138bc9o935cedec098327c9@mail.gmail.com> Quickest way = Delete Vista add Linux On 4/2/08, Dale Crummie wrote: > The safest way is to go through Computer Management in Admin Tools and > shrink the volume in Disk Management, and it doesn't take a couple of days > to finish. > > -- > Dale Crummie > US Army (Vet) > 7th Grp SF > SOCOM CTU > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Wed Apr 2 13:31:42 2008 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Wed Apr 2 13:33:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> Message-ID: <032a01c894ef$cc58b7c0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> Thank you everyone for all of the input on the POP3 server!! I think I have enough information (and information to peruse) to make a good and well-informed decision. I really appreciate it! David From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 13:44:16 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Apr 2 13:44:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00804021131m138bc9o935cedec098327c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> <3ae131d00804021131m138bc9o935cedec098327c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207161857.22441.29.camel@mobileHQ> On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 13:31 -0500, Sean I wrote: > Quickest way = Delete Vista add Linux Sure thing. Just as soon as Gretag MacBeth write a linux version of their screen calibration software then I can do that. Until then, I *need* to *keep* the Vista partition. And installing linux is certainly not quicker than stealing part of a partition and reformatting it. I wondered how long it would take to get that response. Actually I was expecting the Windows = Virus line, but they are pretty much the same thing. Fortunately, there were a few people (thanks Dale, John) that were willing to help. ~Nate From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 13:59:41 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 2 13:59:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <1207161857.22441.29.camel@mobileHQ> References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> <3ae131d00804021131m138bc9o935cedec098327c9@mail.gmail.com> <1207161857.22441.29.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: <79ec289f0804021159i544a44a8i75df875ffdd2c4f0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:44 PM, pixelnate wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 13:31 -0500, Sean I wrote: > > Quickest way = Delete Vista add Linux > > Sure thing. Just as soon as Gretag MacBeth write a linux version of > their screen calibration software then I can do that. Until then, I > *need* to *keep* the Vista partition. And installing linux is certainly > not quicker than stealing part of a partition and reformatting it. Will their software work in XP? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 14:08:03 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Wed Apr 2 14:08:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0804021159i544a44a8i75df875ffdd2c4f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> <3ae131d00804021131m138bc9o935cedec098327c9@mail.gmail.com> <1207161857.22441.29.camel@mobileHQ> <79ec289f0804021159i544a44a8i75df875ffdd2c4f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207163283.22441.36.camel@mobileHQ> On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 13:59 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > Will their software work in XP? Yes, it will. There are two barriers to using XP, 1) I would have to set up a driver disc and reinstall Winders on the lappy, 2) I don't know the first think about running VMware (if that's where you are going). I will ultimately go with 1 (or maybe 2), but I don't have the personal time to deal with that. Maybe when I upgrade to Hardy I might, but right now I have too many irons in the fire. Oh, yeah, there is also WINE but I have never messed with that either. ~Nate From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 14:22:04 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 2 14:22:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What is the quickest way to steal space from a Vista partition? In-Reply-To: <1207163283.22441.36.camel@mobileHQ> References: <816faeb50804011446p3a2657c1h5b1a94b61480c520@mail.gmail.com> <1207087501.6314.97.camel@mobileHQ> <3ae131d00804021131m138bc9o935cedec098327c9@mail.gmail.com> <1207161857.22441.29.camel@mobileHQ> <79ec289f0804021159i544a44a8i75df875ffdd2c4f0@mail.gmail.com> <1207163283.22441.36.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: <79ec289f0804021222i651fdeaag8afab9f60a32b232@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:08 PM, pixelnate wrote: > Yes, it will. There are two barriers to using XP, 1) I would have to set > up a driver disc and reinstall Winders on the lappy, 2) I don't know > the first think about running VMware (if that's where you are going). I > will ultimately go with 1 (or maybe 2), but I don't have the personal > time to deal with that. Maybe when I upgrade to Hardy I might, but right > now I have too many irons in the fire. > > Oh, yeah, there is also WINE but I have never messed with that either. I'm thinking of a better solution, BartPE. You can roll your own bootable Windows CD. Anytime I have to update firmware for CD/DVD drives or something else that is Windows only, I throw this in the CD, boot off the disc to a preconfigured XP environment and away I go. http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ Only thing you need is obviously a working Windows box and the XP with SP2 CD. I would include a link to the ISOs I made, however I made them with our campus license of XP and don't want an legal trouble. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From mike at nerone.org Wed Apr 2 14:36:19 2008 From: mike at nerone.org (Mike Nerone) Date: Wed Apr 2 14:36:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <47F2D83F.3090200@nerone.org> Message-ID: <47F3E033.7000302@nerone.org> Brad Knowles wrote: > On 4/1/08, Mike Nerone wrote: >> It wouldn't work out of the box with a standard MTA configuration, >> since standard configurations almost always use mbox or maildir, so you >> do have to configure your MTA a bit (it's not difficult - the MTA can >> deliver to cyrus via standard LMTP, which is directly supported by all >> modern MTAs). > Configuring your MTA to deliver to Cyrus is the least difficult part > of installing and configuring the software. > > SASL, now that's another story. Talk about your nightmares..... Hmm...well, I never had a problem. Under Gentoo, I'm using stock installs of cyrus-sasl and cyrus-imap. In my case I use MySQL-based authentication, so I had to edit /etc/imapd.conf to provide the DB connection details, but if you're using system users like most people then you shouldn't even need to do that - most distros probably have it configured to authenticate against system users by default (you just need to make sure the saslauthd daemon is enabled in your init scripts). To each his own, though. As I said, I'd only recommend Cyrus IMAPd for admin types (or someone who wants to learn). Its internal data structure allows it to index more pervasively than dovecot, including true database-type files, resulting in generally better performance than dovecot (not dovecot's fault - it actually does a fantastic job considering the fact that it uses the more general-purpose maildir storage scheme (nobody really uses mbox anymore, right?)). To provide an external opinion, I'll throw out http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/SquirrelMailPerformance . Cyrus IMAPd also provides more features, such as Sieve. It also avoids a whole class of filesystem-permission-related problems by running as its own user with a sealed storage system instead of storing mail in user-owned files (problems like mailbox-sharing and support for virtual users - partial workarounds are possible with dovecot, to be fair) along with even more advanced possibilities like MURDER clustering. I'm just the type that leans toward performance, features, and flexibility vs. ease of installation (within reason), which I only have to tackle once (the resulting recipe makes future installations easy). I take a more involved installation as a learning opportunity. Mike Nerone From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 16:34:55 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Apr 2 16:34:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Programming file permissions Message-ID: <47F3FBFF.9010201@gmail.com> I am trying to write a program for both Linux and Windows. I would like to create a file that restricts read/write permissions to the owner. In linux/unix, this is trivial: chmod( "/home/user/myfile.txt", 0600 ); Does anyone know how to do the equivalent thing in Windows. I was able to do what I wanted by right-click->properties->security->advanced unselect "Inherit from parent permission entities..." And then select unwanted groups like Everyone and "Remove". I want to do that within a C++ program. Does anyone have any idea how to do this? BTW, did I say before that Windows is a PITA? -- Bruce From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 16:42:29 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Wed Apr 2 16:42:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Programming file permissions In-Reply-To: <47F3FBFF.9010201@gmail.com> References: <47F3FBFF.9010201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0804021442g6f145f58l396ecdfc1d580baf@mail.gmail.com> On undefined, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am trying to write a program for both Linux and Windows. I would like > to create a file that restricts read/write permissions to the owner. In > linux/unix, this is trivial: > > chmod( "/home/user/myfile.txt", 0600 ); > > Does anyone know how to do the equivalent thing in Windows. I was able > to do what I wanted by right-click->properties->security->advanced > > unselect "Inherit from parent permission entities..." > > And then select unwanted groups like Everyone and "Remove". > > I want to do that within a C++ program. Does anyone have any idea how > to do this? > > BTW, did I say before that Windows is a PITA? > > -- Bruce I don't know about C++, but there is a VB program called xcacls.vbs that may have some useful sample code in it for changing permissions and ownership on NTFS. Might be easier to use C# though. -Henry -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 16:52:53 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Apr 2 16:53:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Programming file permissions In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0804021442g6f145f58l396ecdfc1d580baf@mail.gmail.com> References: <47F3FBFF.9010201@gmail.com> <1003aeaa0804021442g6f145f58l396ecdfc1d580baf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: you will need to have the C++ proggy call the shell (CMD) and run a cacls command (just google cacls) you should be able to do what you want through there. My only advice is to be mindful of how win acls lay down vs posix ones. One of the biggest headaches storage vendors run into when trying to emulate windows server shares that run on top of linux file systems is the posix to winacl mappings. Ernest On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > On undefined, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I am trying to write a program for both Linux and Windows. I would like > > to create a file that restricts read/write permissions to the owner. > In > > linux/unix, this is trivial: > > > > chmod( "/home/user/myfile.txt", 0600 ); > > > > Does anyone know how to do the equivalent thing in Windows. I was able > > to do what I wanted by right-click->properties->security->advanced > > > > unselect "Inherit from parent permission entities..." > > > > And then select unwanted groups like Everyone and "Remove". > > > > I want to do that within a C++ program. Does anyone have any idea how > > to do this? > > > > BTW, did I say before that Windows is a PITA? > > > > -- Bruce > > I don't know about C++, but there is a VB program called xcacls.vbs > that may have some useful sample code in it for changing permissions > and ownership on NTFS. Might be easier to use C# though. > > -Henry > > -- > "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:32:04 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Apr 2 17:32:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Programming file permissions In-Reply-To: References: <47F3FBFF.9010201@gmail.com> <1003aeaa0804021442g6f145f58l396ecdfc1d580baf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F40964.5000301@gmail.com> Ernest De Leon wrote: > you will need to have the C++ proggy call the shell (CMD) and run a cacls > command (just google cacls) you should be able to do what you want through > there. My only advice is to be mindful of how win acls lay down vs posix > ones. One of the biggest headaches storage vendors run into when trying to > emulate windows server shares that run on top of linux file systems is the > posix to winacl mappings. Thanks Ernest. That's a start. It looks like I can do echo Y|cacls /E /R user filename Now if I can figure out who is the owner (so I don't remove permissions) and what the other "users" are, I'm all set. I suppose I can get the owner via DIR /Q filename. I'd really like to not have to parse the verbose output that cacls and dir create. -- Bruce >>> BTW, did I say before that Windows is a PITA? From justin.burdette at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:44:22 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Wed Apr 2 17:44:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: <47F3CCE1.4030108@net153.net> References: <47F3CCE1.4030108@net153.net> Message-ID: I decided to play around with the Linksys (it's a BEFSX41) after upgrading the firmware...it's now running DHCP for the 1.150-1.200 range and my main computer's static IP is just fine. Maybe it was operator error? As for the firewall/server issue, I like what I see with smoothwall. I'll probably go ahead and set up the P3 box for that and just continue to run Apache and FTP off of my big machine...it's a dual-core Athlon64, so it's not like I'm stressing it, and I'm the only one who accesses it remotely. I keep programs and drivers that I might need for customers saved so that I can easily access them without having to search all over everywhere. It's nice to be able to get it all in one place! I haven't purchased the P3 units yet, but I've got a bid on 4 of them entered at crapsells.us, and I've got a good friend who wants at least one to run as a firewall. Might sell the other 2 or hang on to them for later expansion of my network. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:49:44 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Apr 2 17:50:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Programming file permissions In-Reply-To: <47F40964.5000301@gmail.com> References: <47F3FBFF.9010201@gmail.com> <1003aeaa0804021442g6f145f58l396ecdfc1d580baf@mail.gmail.com> <47F40964.5000301@gmail.com> Message-ID: unfortunately the dir /q is the only way I can think of to grab the owner quickly. You will just have to drop the output into an array of some sort and grab the 4th column, then parse the string to drop the domain and '\' char....this is very easy and fast in python...but in C++...it's not going to be pretty Ernest On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > you will need to have the C++ proggy call the shell (CMD) and run a > > cacls > > command (just google cacls) you should be able to do what you want > > through > > there. My only advice is to be mindful of how win acls lay down vs > > posix > > ones. One of the biggest headaches storage vendors run into when trying > > to > > emulate windows server shares that run on top of linux file systems is > > the > > posix to winacl mappings. > > > > Thanks Ernest. That's a start. It looks like I can do > > echo Y|cacls /E /R user filename > > Now if I can figure out who is the owner (so I don't remove permissions) > and what the other "users" are, I'm all set. I suppose I can get the owner > via DIR /Q filename. > > I'd really like to not have to parse the verbose output that cacls and dir > create. > > -- Bruce > > BTW, did I say before that Windows is a PITA? > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:51:18 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Apr 2 17:51:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: References: <47F3CCE1.4030108@net153.net> Message-ID: so you're going to deactivate the firewall at the router and use a pc for one instead? Ernest On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Justin Burdette wrote: > I decided to play around with the Linksys (it's a BEFSX41) after upgrading > the firmware...it's now running DHCP for the 1.150-1.200 range and my main > computer's static IP is just fine. Maybe it was operator error? > > As for the firewall/server issue, I like what I see with smoothwall. I'll > probably go ahead and set up the P3 box for that and just continue to run > Apache and FTP off of my big machine...it's a dual-core Athlon64, so it's > not like I'm stressing it, and I'm the only one who accesses it remotely. > I > keep programs and drivers that I might need for customers saved so that I > can easily access them without having to search all over everywhere. It's > nice to be able to get it all in one place! > > I haven't purchased the P3 units yet, but I've got a bid on 4 of them > entered at crapsells.us, and I've got a good friend who wants at least one > to run as a firewall. Might sell the other 2 or hang on to them for later > expansion of my network. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From justin.burdette at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:56:50 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Wed Apr 2 17:57:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: References: <47F3CCE1.4030108@net153.net> Message-ID: I'm going to put the PC between my router and cable modem...from what I'm reading on smoothwall, it looks like I can have the kind of control I want that way. The Linksys software never impressed me much. Justin On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > so you're going to deactivate the firewall at the router and use a pc for > one instead? > > Ernest > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Justin Burdette > > wrote: > > > I decided to play around with the Linksys (it's a BEFSX41) after > upgrading > > the firmware...it's now running DHCP for the 1.150-1.200 range and my > main > > computer's static IP is just fine. Maybe it was operator error? > > > > As for the firewall/server issue, I like what I see with smoothwall. > I'll > > probably go ahead and set up the P3 box for that and just continue to > run > > Apache and FTP off of my big machine...it's a dual-core Athlon64, so > it's > > not like I'm stressing it, and I'm the only one who accesses it > remotely. > > I > > keep programs and drivers that I might need for customers saved so that > I > > can easily access them without having to search all over everywhere. > It's > > nice to be able to get it all in one place! > > > > I haven't purchased the P3 units yet, but I've got a bid on 4 of them > > entered at crapsells.us, and I've got a good friend who wants at least > one > > to run as a firewall. Might sell the other 2 or hang on to them for > later > > expansion of my network. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Ernest de Leon > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." > - > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Apr 2 13:21:10 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Apr 2 18:17:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <47F2D83F.3090200@nerone.org> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> <47F2D83F.3090200@nerone.org> Message-ID: On 4/1/08, Mike Nerone wrote: > It wouldn't work out of the box with a standard MTA configuration, > since standard configurations almost always use mbox or maildir, so you > do have to configure your MTA a bit (it's not difficult - the MTA can > deliver to cyrus via standard LMTP, which is directly supported by all > modern MTAs). Configuring your MTA to deliver to Cyrus is the least difficult part of installing and configuring the software. SASL, now that's another story. Talk about your nightmares..... -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Apr 2 13:18:14 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Apr 2 18:17:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Best POP3 server? In-Reply-To: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> References: <162b01c89442$c4156cf0$e500a8c0@dsalisburycst> Message-ID: On 4/1/08, David Salisbury wrote: > What POP3 server would people on the list recommend to replace gnu-pop3d? > I've been using gnu-pop3d forever, and it now seems that many services / > clients require "UIDL" capability on the POP3 server level, and gnu-pop3d > apparently doesn't support it. I'm just wondering what any/everyone would > recommend as a good, similarly-solid replacement? Or is there a trusted > place that has a UIDL-capable version? This seems like it might be > promising.. Back when POP3 was a live protocol, by far the best POP3 implementation was Qualcomm's QPopper. These days, I'd probably install the combined IMAP/POP configuration from UW (see ), or maybe dovecot (see ). If you want something with better performance that will act as a pure e-mail blackbox, then Cyrus (see ). Cyrus is more difficult to install, but does perform and scale a lot better. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From phnx.lists at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 20:54:09 2008 From: phnx.lists at gmail.com (phn1x) Date: Wed Apr 2 20:54:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: References: <47F3CCE1.4030108@net153.net> Message-ID: <7c60f31a0804021854j581f5b32y1351b5854545c6c5@mail.gmail.com> If he's going to be hosting anything from his house it makes more sense to use an actual firewall versus the linksys integrated one. Hell, if you create a dmz on them all it does it forward all ports to the system you specify. You shouldn't be running any type of linux you are unfamiliar with. IF you start playing wtih distro's on your perimeter, it won't be YOUR perimeter much longer. Remember, once you start placing machines outside you need to keep a keen eye on all the software installed and what patches come out. Then realize you will inevitably become lazy with it, and your server will start hosting malware and sending your grandmother emails about viagra and her paypal account needing information updates. Furthermore, make sure you know your ISP's restrictions. Timwarner does not like you running a web server or email server off your cable modem unless you pay them extra. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Justin Burdette wrote: > I'm going to put the PC between my router and cable modem...from what I'm > reading on smoothwall, it looks like I can have the kind of control I want > that way. The Linksys software never impressed me much. > > Justin > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Ernest De Leon > wrote: > > > so you're going to deactivate the firewall at the router and use a pc > for > > one instead? > > > > Ernest > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Justin Burdette < > justin.burdette@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > I decided to play around with the Linksys (it's a BEFSX41) after > > upgrading > > > the firmware...it's now running DHCP for the 1.150-1.200 range and my > > main > > > computer's static IP is just fine. Maybe it was operator error? > > > > > > As for the firewall/server issue, I like what I see with smoothwall. > > I'll > > > probably go ahead and set up the P3 box for that and just continue to > > run > > > Apache and FTP off of my big machine...it's a dual-core Athlon64, so > > it's > > > not like I'm stressing it, and I'm the only one who accesses it > > remotely. > > > I > > > keep programs and drivers that I might need for customers saved so > that > > I > > > can easily access them without having to search all over everywhere. > > It's > > > nice to be able to get it all in one place! > > > > > > I haven't purchased the P3 units yet, but I've got a bid on 4 of them > > > entered at crapsells.us, and I've got a good friend who wants at least > > one > > > to run as a firewall. Might sell the other 2 or hang on to them for > > later > > > expansion of my network. > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ernest de Leon > > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety > > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > > government." - Edward Abbey > > > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do > nothing." > > - > > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Phn1x - Emh http://hamsterswheel.com From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 21:50:12 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Apr 2 21:50:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT(?sorta) Linksys WCG200 - DHCP wrong (or bad) address with routing and NAT turned on In-Reply-To: References: <47EF2E6F.5040600@gmail.com> <47EFEFE5.4090506@gmail.com> <47F0E827.6090607@gmail.com> <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> <47F2B050.9000105@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <47F445E4.9070908@gmail.com> Jennie Haywood wrote: > > > I see if I have snoop on my linux box.... but it'll all have to wait > till I get back to SA. > > Aware of any more problems today? Cheers; Ed From wn5pmr at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 21:56:53 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Wed Apr 2 21:57:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] back on the list Message-ID: <47F44775.1010003@gmail.com> But meetings are not a possibility, seeing as how I'm in Spokane, WA Mike WN5PMR From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 22:00:33 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Apr 2 22:00:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F44851.6040402@gmail.com> Justin Burdette wrote: > I finally decided it was time to upgrade my home network. I'm adding in > wifi, and I'm also buying a couple of small form factor Dell units (P3) to > run as firewall, web server, DHCP, etc... > > I'm trying to figure out what distro would be the best for these > applications. What I'd prefer is something that I can log into from my main > PC (using OpenSUSE 10.3, probably through rdesktop or something like it) as > these machines won't have a monitor/keyboard/mouse attached. I'd like to be > able to run a basic GUI...no need for GNOME or KDE, but will probably go > with Fluxbox. > Ubunbtu 6.10 LTS has a good server package on it. Straight Debian has another. Its gonna come down to your comfort level though. > My next question, which I shouldn't even have to ask, but I haven't done > mixed networks in so long that I've forgotten how. What I would like to do > is run all of my wired units with static IP addresses and have DHCP assign > addresses for wifi connections and wired machines that I'm working on for > customers. The Linksys I have doesn't seem to like static IPs when its DHCP > is enabled...it was set to assign in the 192.168.1.100-150 range and I > couldn't do anything with my static IP of 192.168.1.50. Is there an easy way > to set this up on a Linux DHCP server? > Why not leave your server setup as DHCP, as is, and just assign static IPs outside its bounds to your wired units through their own configs? If your DHCP assigns from .100 - .150, you have all the .1 - .99, and .151 - .254 available on a net mask of 255.255.255.0 How many units do you plan to run, and how many more to accommodate? What do you plan to use as your routing/proxy server? > Last question...I presume the firewall box should do strictly that, no DHCP, > Apache, FTP server, etc...correct? A P3 system with enough RAM and swap > should be able to handle the other services, yes? > > Thanks again...always great to have a group of people to bounce ideas around > with. Maybe next time I can make it to the meeting, too! > > Justin > From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 23:06:43 2008 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Wed Apr 2 23:06:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] back on the list In-Reply-To: <47F44775.1010003@gmail.com> References: <47F44775.1010003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0804022106m2849ebe8te15829d1514dcba2@mail.gmail.com> Mike, Does the system send a message about attending meetings? It's been so long since I signed myself up that I don't remember WHAT Mailman sends as an initial sign-up mail. Later, Jim On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:56 PM, mike wrote: > But meetings are not a possibility, seeing as how I'm in Spokane, WA > > Mike WN5PMR > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 00:39:28 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Apr 3 00:39:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] back on the list In-Reply-To: <47F44775.1010003@gmail.com> References: <47F44775.1010003@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nonsense! I live in CA and still manage to make a few meetings a year. :) On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:56 PM, mike wrote: > But meetings are not a possibility, seeing as how I'm in Spokane, WA > > Mike WN5PMR > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Apr 3 09:02:09 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Apr 3 08:01:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] comcast to offer 50 mbits down, 5 up in MN Message-ID: <200804031402.m33E29tH020526@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I'd sure like the 5 mbits up! -b. *********************************************************************** April 2, 2008, 6:06 pm Comcast to Bring Speedier Internet to St. Paul By Brad Stone Minnesota sports teams are not known for coming in first. But the Twin Cities are now out in front in at least one respect: Comcast plans to announce tomorrow that it is beginning the rollout of a new broadband Internet technology in the Minneapolis-St. Paul region, starting this week. The technology, Docsis 3.0, is a bandwidth hog's dream: Internet users 'an feast on download speeds of up to 50 megabits per second and upload speeds of 5 megabits per second. Comcast's chief executive, Brian Roberts, demonstrated the technology at the Consumer Electronics Show earlier this year by downloading a high-definition copy of the movie "Batman Begins." It took just four minutes. The service is pricey. In the Twin Cities, the new tier will be offered at $150 a month, as compared to an 8-megabit-per-second download tier now offered at $53 and a 6-megabit-per-second download tier at $43. Docsis 3.0 (the acronym stands for Data Over Cable Systems Interface Specifications) gives cable companies like Comcast a competitive offering to IPTV services like Verizons' FiOS, which can reach similar speeds in some areas of the country. Docsis 3.0 works by bonding together four channels - each could otherwise be used for an analog TV broadcast - and allowing them to be used as one big data pipe. In regions where infrastructure is constrained, Comcast will make room for the expanded bandwidth by pulling back some analog channels and using sometimes controversial compression techniques on its other bundled services. Mitch Bowling, a senior vice president at Comcast, said the company would make Docsis 3.0 available to 20 percent of homes in areas it serves in 2009 and will finish the rollout to the rest of the country by 2010. "This creates more choice and an additional tier of products for our customers in all our markets once it's deployed," Mr. Bowling said. "It's also a platform that application developers will take advantage of to build new innovative applications that can get the most out of the new technology." From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Apr 3 08:08:25 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Apr 3 08:08:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] comcast to offer 50 mbits down, 5 up in MN In-Reply-To: <200804031402.m33E29tH020526@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200804031402.m33E29tH020526@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <20080403080825.qxkuojapwk0ck0cs@shlrm.org> Quoting Borries Demeler : > I'd sure like the 5 mbits up! > -b. > Maybe now the other carriers will follow suit. I would love that. -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== From masterr at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 09:33:01 2008 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Thu Apr 3 09:33:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reversing Loss, Microsoft Wins Open-Format Designation In-Reply-To: <14842c410804021007m5cc91cffk3e35441eecbbdd3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200804021401.m32E1iCg023796@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <14842c410804021007m5cc91cffk3e35441eecbbdd3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410804030733h6f9b858enfcec3b22dd75659d@mail.gmail.com> More news on this this morning. http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/04/03/1318247.shtml Seems that the EU is investigating and that the decision is being appeal. Lets hope this gets reversed. -Jon On 4/2/08, Jonathan Hull wrote: > Dang. I was hoping that story was just an April Fool's joke. > > With all the known corruption and consistencies in the voting I hope > this gets investigated and reversed, but judging by ISO's reputation > sadly that probably won't happen... grrrr. This is the worst > "standard" they could have approved. > > -Jon > > > > On 4/2/08, Borries Demeler wrote: > > In today's New York Times...what is this, let's vote until we get the > > result we want? This doesn't look good for OpenOffice being accepted as > > the standard. > > -b. > > > > **************************************************************************** > > Reversing Loss, Microsoft Wins Open-Format Designation > > > > By KEVIN J. O'BRIEN > > Published: April 2, 2008 > > > > Microsoft has won an international standards designation for its > > open-document format, according to voting results obtained Tuesday, > > apparently ending a divisive yearlong battle with software rivals before > > a global standards-setting organization. > > > > Microsoft's Office Open XML, a format for interchangeable Web documents, > > was approved by 24 of 32 countries in a core group in a ballot by > > the International Organization for Standardization. Approval by the > > standards-setting body, a nongovernmental network of 157 countries based > > in Geneva, is considered almost certain to influence software spending > > by governments and large companies. > > > > The tally reversed a loss by Microsoft in first-round voting before an > > 87-nation panel in September, a process that involved blunt lobbying by > > both sides toward members of national standards committees - typically > > made up of technicians, engineers and bureaucrats. > > > > In the final round of voting, which ended Saturday, three-quarters of the > > core group members - including Britain, Japan, Germany and Switzerland - > > supported Microsoft's standard, according to the results document. Of > > the 87 votes, 10 opposed the standard: Brazil, Canada, China, Cuba, > > Ecuador, India, Iran, New Zealand, South Africa and Venezuela. > > > > Under organization rules, at least 66 percent of core group members must > > accept a standard for it to be approved, and no more than 25 percent of > > all voting nations can be opposed. > > > > Roger Frost, a spokesman in Geneva for the standardization group, > > would not confirm that Microsoft's format had been designated, saying > > the organization would disclose the vote Wednesday after informing its > > members. The International Herald Tribune obtained the results from one > > of the delegations contacted by the standardization group. > > > > Microsoft's request for rapid approval of its standard in early 2007 > > produced an intense lobbying campaign by I.B.M. and Sun Microsystems, > > which had helped develop a rival interchangeable document format called > > Open Document Format. > > > > This rival was the first interchangeable document format to receive > > approval by the standardization group in 2006, and its backers used that > > in selling the technology to governments and large companies. The format > > is now being considered for use by 70 nations. > > > > Microsoft's push for speedy approval led to objections from many members > > of the standards group. They felt pressure from the company, whose Office > > application suite is the standard on more than 90 percent of computers and > > archives worldwide, according to International Data in Framingham, Mass. > > > > There were tart remarks even from countries that abstained from the > > vote, like the Netherlands. "This is like someone with six shopping > > carts of food trying to go through the express lane at a supermarket," > > said Michiel Leenaars, a member of the Dutch delegation. "The end result > > of this will be confusion. The standard is simply too big. There are > > still a lot of questions out there." > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Apr 3 10:35:14 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Apr 3 09:34:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reversing Loss, Microsoft Wins Open-Format Designation In-Reply-To: <14842c410804030733h6f9b858enfcec3b22dd75659d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804031535.m33FZE0d001297@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > More news on this this morning. > > http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/04/03/1318247.shtml > > Seems that the EU is investigating and that the decision is being > appeal. Lets hope this gets reversed. > > -Jon Is the EU one vote, or each country of the EU? -Borries From jehaywood at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 10:41:40 2008 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Thu Apr 3 10:41:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT(?sorta) Linksys WCG200 - DHCP wrong (or bad) address with routing and NAT turned on In-Reply-To: <47F445E4.9070908@gmail.com> References: <47EFEFE5.4090506@gmail.com> <47F0E827.6090607@gmail.com> <47F1C1F2.2010308@gmail.com> <47F2B050.9000105@aaronhackney.com> <47F445E4.9070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, ed wrote: > Jennie Haywood wrote: > > > > > > I see if I have snoop on my linux box.... but it'll all have to wait > > till I get back to SA. > > > > > Aware of any more problems today? > well my Dad appears to be on Yahoo. I haven't called him today to ask. I'll be back on Friday to actually check out the router. -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From satlug at net153.net Thu Apr 3 11:45:54 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Apr 3 11:45:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Home network In-Reply-To: References: <47F3CCE1.4030108@net153.net> Message-ID: <47F509C2.1060606@net153.net> Justin Burdette wrote: So you will only be using the linksys router as a switch? You can buy a cheap switch at the store for $20-$30. Sam > I'm going to put the PC between my router and cable modem...from what I'm > reading on smoothwall, it looks like I can have the kind of control I want > that way. The Linksys software never impressed me much. > > Justin > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > >> so you're going to deactivate the firewall at the router and use a pc for >> one instead? >> >> Ernest >> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Justin Burdette > wrote: >> >>> I decided to play around with the Linksys (it's a BEFSX41) after >> upgrading >>> the firmware...it's now running DHCP for the 1.150-1.200 range and my >> main >>> computer's static IP is just fine. Maybe it was operator error? >>> >>> As for the firewall/server issue, I like what I see with smoothwall. >> I'll >>> probably go ahead and set up the P3 box for that and just continue to >> run >>> Apache and FTP off of my big machine...it's a dual-core Athlon64, so >> it's >>> not like I'm stressing it, and I'm the only one who accesses it >> remotely. >>> I >>> keep programs and d