brad at shub-internet.org
Tue Apr 29 22:44:49 CDT 2008
On 4/29/08, twistedpickles wrote:
> Anyhow I wanted to bring a question to the group. I am currently at a
> crossroads at work and I am entertaining the idea of new employment.
> I've talked with my immediate supervisors and have informed them of my
> possible exit. Is it in bad taste or bad business (I'm thinking of my
> future employers) to ask for letter of recommendations from other
> supervisors I have worked with?
A lot depends on the place you're working at. At some places I've
been, if you mentioned something like that to them, they would have
your ass thrown out the door by the end of the day and there would be
no severance pay. The simple fact that they think you may be looking
is enough to set them off.
Other places, they'd be really unhappy to see you go, but they
understand that everything ultimately has to change, and they might
try to work with you to see if there is some way that you can get the
change you need while still staying at the company. But at the end
of the day, they should be perfectly happy to give you a
recommendation, even if you do ultimately decide to leave.
If you work at a place more like the first one I described, then you
are screwed. You never should have told them in the first place.
Instead, you should have already had the new job lined up and a start
date set, at which point you tell the old employers "see ya!",
without any kind of warning at all.
If you work at a place more like the second one I described, then I
do have to wonder why you're thinking about leaving, but ultimately
you shouldn't have any problems.
It all depends on you and where along this continuum you feel that
your current place of employment fits.
> My question may seem piddly but I've
> been employed with for nearly 9 years and all my previous jobs I've
> had because of someone I've known. I've heard job hunting or finding
> is fierce. The dilemma is if I decide to stay.
Nine years is a pretty long stay in this business. I would think
that should look pretty good on most any resume you may write.
I will say that I still think that job hunting is the very hardest
job I've ever had, with hunting for a place to live near the job
being a close second.
One rule that I learned from my Mom (who was an HR professional of
many years) is that about 90% of all placements come from direct
personal contacts. Someone you know is aware that you're looking and
they know of a job opening you'd be perfect for, etc.... Of the
rest, about 90% (or 9% of the total) come from head hunters and job
placement firms. The remainder (just 1% of the total) come from
public listing of jobs in places like newspapers, job hunting
Everything I've seen in this business indicates that this 90/9/1
relationship still holds true today, as much as it ever did in the
So, you're going to want to get your resume out there to all the
various job hunting sites, you're going to want to hit all the good
recruiters and headhunters you can, but the most important part of
your job search will be your personal contacts -- which includes
other members of this list.
Now, putting on my UT Austin hat, I will say that our group has a
number of job openings currently available. I think our pay is
pretty close to industry-standard for this field and this region, and
I think we have one of the best benefits plans in the business.
If you're interested, keep in mind that if you were accepted for the
job then you would have to move to Austin.
In the central ITS department at the UT Austin main campus, here are
the related full-time jobs we currently have open that I am aware of
are (sorted by starting monthly salary):
Posting Number Title Salary/Month
---------------- --------------------------------------- ------------
08-04-04-01-0317 Associate Vice President for Operations 13,334 +
08-04-25-01-9382 Senior Network Engineer 7,500
08-04-29-01-9306 Manager, Computing Services 6,666 - 8,333
08-04-28-01-9317 Senior Systems Administrator 6,000 - 7,500 +
08-02-29-01-9330 Oracle Database Administrator 5,334 - 6,000
08-04-01-01-9326 Information Security Analyst 5,167 - 6,000
08-02-25-01-9319 Senior Systems Analyst 4,600 +
08-01-24-01-9385 Network Analyst 4,583 +
08-03-18-01-9319 Senior Systems Analyst 4,333 +
08-04-21-02-9318 Systems Administrator 4,166 - 5,000 +
08-02-12-02-9322 Systems Analyst - Web Developer 3,875 - 4,333
08-01-30-01-9322 Systems Analyst 3,789 +
08-04-16-01-9314 Desktop Support Specialist 3,216 +
08-03-28-01-9348 Information Analyst Trainee 3,084
You can go to <http://utdirect.utexas.edu/pnjobs/index.WBX> and plug
in the posting number and pull up the detailed descriptions of the
For the network jobs, don't be scared off by the fact that they say
"network engineer". Apparently the networking guys have decided to
give up on trying to hire any more really senior guys who already
know networking really well and can also help them do all the
internal system administration that they do. Instead, they're
looking to hire otherwise qualified system administrators for these
positions, and they'll teach them the necessary networking skills.
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
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