Brad Knowles brad at shub-internet.org
Tue Apr 29 22:44:49 CDT 2008

On 4/29/08, twistedpickles wrote:

>  Anyhow I wanted to bring a question to the group. I am currently at a
>  crossroads at work and I am entertaining the idea of new employment.
>  I've talked with my immediate supervisors and have informed them of my
>  possible exit. Is it in bad taste or bad business (I'm thinking of my
>  future employers) to ask for letter of recommendations from other
>  supervisors I have worked with?

A lot depends on the place you're working at.  At some places I've 
been, if you mentioned something like that to them, they would have 
your ass thrown out the door by the end of the day and there would be 
no severance pay.  The simple fact that they think you may be looking 
is enough to set them off.

Other places, they'd be really unhappy to see you go, but they 
understand that everything ultimately has to change, and they might 
try to work with you to see if there is some way that you can get the 
change you need while still staying at the company.  But at the end 
of the day, they should be perfectly happy to give you a 
recommendation, even if you do ultimately decide to leave.

If you work at a place more like the first one I described, then you 
are screwed.  You never should have told them in the first place. 
Instead, you should have already had the new job lined up and a start 
date set, at which point you tell the old employers "see ya!", 
without any kind of warning at all.

If you work at a place more like the second one I described, then I 
do have to wonder why you're thinking about leaving, but ultimately 
you shouldn't have any problems.

It all depends on you and where along this continuum you feel that 
your current place of employment fits.

>                                 My question may seem piddly but I've
>  been employed with for nearly 9 years and all my previous jobs I've
>  had because of someone I've known. I've heard job hunting or finding
>  is fierce. The dilemma is if I decide to stay.

Nine years is a pretty long stay in this business.  I would think 
that should look pretty good on most any resume you may write.

I will say that I still think that job hunting is the very hardest 
job I've ever had, with hunting for a place to live near the job 
being a close second.

One rule that I learned from my Mom (who was an HR professional of 
many years) is that about 90% of all placements come from direct 
personal contacts.  Someone you know is aware that you're looking and 
they know of a job opening you'd be perfect for, etc....  Of the 
rest, about 90% (or 9% of the total) come from head hunters and job 
placement firms.  The remainder (just 1% of the total) come from 
public listing of jobs in places like newspapers, job hunting 
websites, etc....

Everything I've seen in this business indicates that this 90/9/1 
relationship still holds true today, as much as it ever did in the 

So, you're going to want to get your resume out there to all the 
various job hunting sites, you're going to want to hit all the good 
recruiters and headhunters you can, but the most important part of 
your job search will be your personal contacts -- which includes 
other members of this list.

Now, putting on my UT Austin hat, I will say that our group has a 
number of job openings currently available.  I think our pay is 
pretty close to industry-standard for this field and this region, and 
I think we have one of the best benefits plans in the business.

If you're interested, keep in mind that if you were accepted for the 
job then you would have to move to Austin.

In the central ITS department at the UT Austin main campus, here are 
the related full-time jobs we currently have open that I am aware of 
are (sorted by starting monthly salary):

Posting Number		Title					Salary/Month
----------------	---------------------------------------	------------
08-04-04-01-0317	Associate Vice President for Operations	13,334 +
08-04-25-01-9382	Senior Network Engineer			7,500
08-04-29-01-9306	Manager, Computing Services		6,666 - 8,333
08-04-28-01-9317	Senior Systems Administrator		6,000 - 7,500 +
08-02-29-01-9330	Oracle Database Administrator		5,334 - 6,000
08-04-01-01-9326	Information Security Analyst		5,167 - 6,000
08-02-25-01-9319	Senior Systems Analyst			4,600 +
08-01-24-01-9385	Network Analyst				4,583 +
08-03-18-01-9319	Senior Systems Analyst			4,333 +
08-04-21-02-9318	Systems Administrator			4,166 - 5,000 +
08-02-12-02-9322	Systems Analyst - Web Developer		3,875 - 4,333
08-01-30-01-9322	Systems Analyst				3,789 +
08-04-16-01-9314	Desktop Support Specialist		3,216 +
08-03-28-01-9348	Information Analyst Trainee		3,084

You can go to <http://utdirect.utexas.edu/pnjobs/index.WBX> and plug 
in the posting number and pull up the detailed descriptions of the 
various jobs.

For the network jobs, don't be scared off by the fact that they say 
"network engineer".  Apparently the networking guys have decided to 
give up on trying to hire any more really senior guys who already 
know networking really well and can also help them do all the 
internal system administration that they do.  Instead, they're 
looking to hire otherwise qualified system administrators for these 
positions, and they'll teach them the necessary networking skills.

Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

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