From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Feb 1 00:07:02 2008 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Feb 1 00:05:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Altex website In-Reply-To: <47A268ED.1000007@satx.rr.com> References: <200801311505.29793.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A268ED.1000007@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <47A2B706.2010305@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Before the Atex store on Broadway shut down for good, the guy I talked > to told me that they intended to still be selling stuff over the > Internet (eBay?). I don't know what their web address is (was), but > it may be worth a look ... > that's all gone. Broadway has been closed for a year (2?). They were selling stuff on ebay before the closed the Broadway doors. -- From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Feb 1 01:11:28 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Fri Feb 1 01:11:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <869de8470801311857n6d1f37f8sffc851beafc83d56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200802010111.29310.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Please take future replies off list... On Thursday 31 January 2008 21:48:48 Brian Lewis wrote: [...] > On the note of privacy and freedom, your free to refuse to show your > I'd just as any company or gender is free to refuse you service for if > you don't abide by their rules. Actually Brian.. you're wrong. Their use of the Visa/MC system is a privilege that Visa/MC can refuse for breaking THEIR rules. And it's clearly stated on both Visa and MC's sites that it's illegal for vendors to require secondary identification other than the card. > Freedom is a door that swings both > ways :) Don't let it hit you in the a** on the way out Brian. ;) On Thursday 31 January 2008 "John Chalinder" wrote: > I, too, write "Check photo ID' in the signature space. The last thing > I need is some thief trying to steal my ID by simply forging my sig. And that's YOUR right to delegate authentication authority. What I'm saying is that vendors are taking that right away from you by them requiring it without your permission. I'll answer other realted discussions off list (since this is off topic, and I did not intend to start a list storm here). Tweeks From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 01:19:54 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Feb 1 01:19:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <200802010111.29310.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <869de8470801311857n6d1f37f8sffc851beafc83d56@mail.gmail.com> <200802010111.29310.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Actually Tweeks, I'm glad you started this discussion. It's good for people to talk about how they can protect themselves from theft or fraud plus their civil liberties. I, for one, never thought of writing "Check for ID" on my card, but I will do it to my cards now. It's actually a great Idea. I will also probably get my next set of cards with photo ID on the cards themselves. I usually only carry one card on me at any time, but making sure that no one else can use that card is an important thing to me. Dialog and discussion are always good things. On Jan 31, 2008 11:11 PM, Tom Weeks wrote: > Please take future replies off list... > > On Thursday 31 January 2008 21:48:48 Brian Lewis wrote: > [...] > > On the note of privacy and freedom, your free to refuse to show your > > I'd just as any company or gender is free to refuse you service for if > > you don't abide by their rules. > > Actually Brian.. you're wrong. Their use of the Visa/MC system is a > privilege > that Visa/MC can refuse for breaking THEIR rules. And it's clearly stated > on > both Visa and MC's sites that it's illegal for vendors to require > secondary > identification other than the card. > > > Freedom is a door that swings both > > ways :) > > Don't let it hit you in the a** on the way out Brian. ;) > > > On Thursday 31 January 2008 "John Chalinder" wrote: > > I, too, write "Check photo ID' in the signature space. The last thing > > I need is some thief trying to steal my ID by simply forging my sig. > > And that's YOUR right to delegate authentication authority. What I'm > saying > is that vendors are taking that right away from you by them requiring it > without your permission. > > I'll answer other realted discussions off list (since this is off topic, > and I > did not intend to start a list storm here). > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - http://www.prezronpaul.com From astro at astr0.org Fri Feb 1 02:39:15 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Feb 1 02:39:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <200802010111.29310.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <869de8470801311857n6d1f37f8sffc851beafc83d56@mail.gmail.com> <200802010111.29310.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <7181C0E8-6332-4B06-AC54-A4055AF5919B@astr0.org> I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I think its excellent. If you have an issue with a stores policy, might I suggest filing a complaint? Most stores have a sign somewhere that reads "we have the right to refuse service to anyone." hence freedom is a double hinged door. Protecting ones freedoms is important, but buisnesses have freedoms too. File a complaint with the card issuer if you feel wronged by having to show id. I like to show mine when I make a purchase, as it is, in my opinion, more secure. Thanks, Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2008, at 1:11, Tom Weeks wrote: > Please take future replies off list... > > On Thursday 31 January 2008 21:48:48 Brian Lewis wrote: > [...] >> On the note of privacy and freedom, your free to refuse to show your >> I'd just as any company or gender is free to refuse you service for >> if >> you don't abide by their rules. > > Actually Brian.. you're wrong. Their use of the Visa/MC system is a > privilege > that Visa/MC can refuse for breaking THEIR rules. And it's clearly > stated on > both Visa and MC's sites that it's illegal for vendors to require > secondary > identification other than the card. > >> Freedom is a door that swings both >> ways :) > > Don't let it hit you in the a** on the way out Brian. ;) > > > On Thursday 31 January 2008 "John Chalinder" wrote: >> I, too, write "Check photo ID' in the signature space. The last thing >> I need is some thief trying to steal my ID by simply forging my sig. > > And that's YOUR right to delegate authentication authority. What > I'm saying > is that vendors are taking that right away from you by them > requiring it > without your permission. > > I'll answer other realted discussions off list (since this is off > topic, and I > did not intend to start a list storm here). > > Tweeks From astro at astr0.org Fri Feb 1 02:45:57 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Feb 1 02:49:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <200802010111.29310.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <869de8470801311857n6d1f37f8sffc851beafc83d56@mail.gmail.com> <200802010111.29310.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <6EA20954-C6BD-4D72-AB8F-44D99CDD860C@astr0.org> Ack sorry I selected reply all LOL Thanks, Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2008, at 1:11, Tom Weeks wrote: > Please take future replies off list... > > On Thursday 31 January 2008 21:48:48 Brian Lewis wrote: > [...] >> On the note of privacy and freedom, your free to refuse to show your >> I'd just as any company or gender is free to refuse you service for >> if >> you don't abide by their rules. > > Actually Brian.. you're wrong. Their use of the Visa/MC system is a > privilege > that Visa/MC can refuse for breaking THEIR rules. And it's clearly > stated on > both Visa and MC's sites that it's illegal for vendors to require > secondary > identification other than the card. > >> Freedom is a door that swings both >> ways :) > > Don't let it hit you in the a** on the way out Brian. ;) > > > On Thursday 31 January 2008 "John Chalinder" wrote: >> I, too, write "Check photo ID' in the signature space. The last thing >> I need is some thief trying to steal my ID by simply forging my sig. > > And that's YOUR right to delegate authentication authority. What > I'm saying > is that vendors are taking that right away from you by them > requiring it > without your permission. > > I'll answer other realted discussions off list (since this is off > topic, and I > did not intend to start a list storm here). > > Tweeks From leon36 at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 07:58:51 2008 From: leon36 at gmail.com (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Feb 1 07:59:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Support Needed in Bandera In-Reply-To: <47A2A3BA.5040008@suseroot.com> References: <47A2A3BA.5040008@suseroot.com> Message-ID: <47A3259B.20207@datanet.ath.cx> Damian wrote: > Hello, > I've been reading this list for over a year, but have never posted. I > work for a small company up in Bandera and am the resident geek, so some > of my duties include troubleshooting hardware problems and maintaining > the network. Right now we have two windows desktops, two Linux > desktops, a headless Linux machine used for backups and serving scanning > and printing to the large Xerox. There are a few printers attached to > some machines on the wired network. The Linux machines are all running > Kubuntu. > > Anyway, I'm moving to Houston and I don't know of anybody up here with > Linux skills that can handle basic IT maintenance duties. The company > doesn't need a whole lot of help, but the people in the office aren't > very tech-savvy, so what seem like simple problems to us can ruin their > day. > > They can pay between $25 and $50 an hour depending on the person's > experience. If you're just a regular Linux user and you can also > support the Windows machines and network, you are plenty qualified. If > you're a pro, you can request something closer to the $50/hour. I'd > imagine they might need a few hours of work per month. > > It's a very laid-back atmosphere and the people are great. If anyone is > interested, or knows someone who might be, please let me know. I'm just > worried because I finally got them to embrace Linux, Firefox, > Thunderbird, OpenOffice, etc. and I don't want to leave them unsupported > regretting their decision. > > Thanks! > > -Damian I am interested but the problem is that I live in Marion which is about 2 hours from Bandera. And I also just started a new job on nightshift so I would probably only be able to get out there on maybe a Saturday or Sunday. What kind of problems do they usually have? Sam From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Feb 1 08:27:17 2008 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri Feb 1 08:31:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Great website for a store, & an unbelievable programming job In-Reply-To: <478ED619.6030802@satx.rr.com> References: <478ED619.6030802@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1201876117.7956.10.camel@beast.camerontech.net> On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 22:14 -0600, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Someone sent this to me & I knew this is the kind of group that can > appreciate the work needed to do this ... > > > HEMA is a Dutch department store. The first store opened on Nov. 4, > 1926, in Amsterdam. Now, there are 150 stores all over the Netherlands, > and there are stores in Belgium, Luxemburg and Germany. > > In June of this year, HEMA was sold to the British investment company > Lion Capital. > > Take a look at HEMA's product page. It's in Dutch and you can't order > anything, but just wait a couple of seconds and watch what happens...the > company has a sense of humor and a great computer programmer: > > http://producten.hema.nl/ Heh - I opened the site with my volume waaaaay down and sitting back from the keyboard expecting one of those "look real close and you'll see it" jokes where some scary image pops out and screeches at you and coffee squirts out your nose all over your keyboard. From sbender at satx.rr.com Fri Feb 1 08:52:25 2008 From: sbender at satx.rr.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Fri Feb 1 08:52:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Last of the 260's! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080201145215.NWNL12601.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@wiz1> Hiya all! I have 5 Dell GX-260's for sale. 1.8 Ghz Pentium 4 Processor. 512MB Memory. Cd-rom Drive. 1.44 Floppy Drive. w/ 20GB HD $130.00 w/ 40GB HD $150.00 No keyboards, mice or Monitors. These are the slim desk units and make GREAT Linux desktops! (I got 2 myself, 1 runnung Kubuntu, 1 running PC Linux) Send me an email and its yours! Shawn From damian at suseroot.com Fri Feb 1 09:56:31 2008 From: damian at suseroot.com (Damian Smith) Date: Fri Feb 1 09:56:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux Support Needed in Bandera Message-ID: <47A3412F.5020303@suseroot.com> > > Damian wrote: > >> > Hello, >> > I've been reading this list for over a year, but have never posted. I >> > work for a small company up in Bandera and am the resident geek, so some >> > of my duties include troubleshooting hardware problems and maintaining >> > the network. Right now we have two windows desktops, two Linux >> > desktops, a headless Linux machine used for backups and serving scanning >> > and printing to the large Xerox. There are a few printers attached to >> > some machines on the wired network. The Linux machines are all running >> > Kubuntu. >> > >> > Anyway, I'm moving to Houston and I don't know of anybody up here with >> > Linux skills that can handle basic IT maintenance duties. The company >> > doesn't need a whole lot of help, but the people in the office aren't >> > very tech-savvy, so what seem like simple problems to us can ruin their >> > day. >> > >> > They can pay between $25 and $50 an hour depending on the person's >> > experience. If you're just a regular Linux user and you can also >> > support the Windows machines and network, you are plenty qualified. If >> > you're a pro, you can request something closer to the $50/hour. I'd >> > imagine they might need a few hours of work per month. >> > >> > It's a very laid-back atmosphere and the people are great. If anyone is >> > interested, or knows someone who might be, please let me know. I'm just >> > worried because I finally got them to embrace Linux, Firefox, >> > Thunderbird, OpenOffice, etc. and I don't want to leave them unsupported >> > regretting their decision. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > -Damian >> > > > I am interested but the problem is that I live in Marion which is about > 2 hours from Bandera. And I also just started a new job on nightshift > so I would probably only be able to get out there on maybe a Saturday or > Sunday. What kind of problems do they usually have? > > Sam Hi Sam. While they wouldn't need same-day response, I think they would need it on weekdays. Sometimes they'll accidentally change a setting in Thunderbird and wonder why they can't send emails. Maybe a PSU dies and they can't figure out why the computer isn't working. They may need help ordering and installing a new monitor. Maybe they need to restore a QuickBooks backup and don't know how to do it. Simple stuff. They don't need a superhero, just someone who is flexible, honest, and can use the google when the going gets tough. Thanks! (PS: I sent this once from an email alias and I don't think it went through, sorry if it goes twice) -Damian From donguitar at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 10:09:18 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Fri Feb 1 10:09:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Senior newbie (genuine article) Message-ID: <47A3442E.30500@gmail.com> My wife's about a foot taller this morning because we got her 70+ year old mother up-and-running with PCLinuxOS yesterday. She's already started blogging about it and insisted that I pass on links to her first to posts on this subject. What the heck, it's right on topic. http://www.lockergnome.com/dirtgoddess/2008/01/30/like-a-virgin/ http://www.lockergnome.com/dirtgoddess/2008/02/01/like-a-virgin-first-blush/ -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Feb 1 10:09:29 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Feb 1 10:09:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux Support Needed in Bandera In-Reply-To: <47A3412F.5020303@suseroot.com> Message-ID: <200802011609.m11G9TDg019900@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Hi Sam. While they wouldn't need same-day response, I think they would > need it on weekdays. Sometimes they'll accidentally change a setting in > Thunderbird and wonder why they can't send emails. Maybe a PSU dies and > they can't figure out why the computer isn't working. They may need > help ordering and installing a new monitor. Maybe they need to restore > a QuickBooks backup and don't know how to do it. > > Simple stuff. They don't need a superhero, just someone who is > flexible, honest, and can use the google when the going gets tough. > > Thanks! > > (PS: I sent this once from an email alias and I don't think it went > through, sorry if it goes twice) Just a thought - it may not take care of everything, but in my experience 90% of the issues encountered by an office running on Linux can easily be handled remotely via VNC, if they are connected to a decent high-speed connection. I do this on a bunch of computers, some of them in Europe. Of this doesn't cover hardware problems, but for this maybe other arrangements can be made? If you set this up properly, backups, restores, even handholding can be done really well using VNC (running with the -alwaysshared option). HEck, I even start vncviewer for my clients by logging into their account, exporting the display to :0 and starting the viewer, and then let them work off of the vnc screen to show me the problem (this only works on Linux, but on Windows you could just show them how to start the vncserver). Just a thought and cool linux idea that has stood the test of time for me. -borries From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 11:50:07 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Feb 1 11:50:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! Message-ID: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_yahoo Note that Ballmer knew that the former Chairman, who had refused his previous bid, was officially out the door yesterday. He sent out the new buy offer the same day with the now former Chairman's successor's name on it. Knowing the frustrating situation with Yahoo shareholders, and barring any DOJ interference, this is a slam dunk for Redmond. -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - http://www.prezronpaul.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Feb 1 12:01:43 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Fri Feb 1 12:01:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Senior newbie (genuine article) In-Reply-To: <47A3442E.30500@gmail.com> References: <47A3442E.30500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201888903.14633.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:09 -0600, Don Crowder wrote: > My wife's about a foot taller this morning because we got her 70+ year > old mother up-and-running with PCLinuxOS yesterday. She's already > started blogging about it and insisted that I pass on links to her first > to posts on this subject. What the heck, it's right on topic. > http://www.lockergnome.com/dirtgoddess/2008/01/30/like-a-virgin/ > http://www.lockergnome.com/dirtgoddess/2008/02/01/like-a-virgin-first-blush/ > > plain text document attachment (emsig) > Don Crowder > http://www.don-guitar.com > http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ > http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch > http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/donguitar > A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Just read the blog posting and thought that your motherinlaw might find this site usefull incase she cannot get a hold of you or your wife. I also thought that other SATLUGers might find it useful. http://qunu.com/ Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Feb 1 12:05:21 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Fri Feb 1 12:05:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1201889121.14633.8.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I just heard about this. If microsh*t ends up with yahoo I will close my account faster then you can say hostile takeover. Todd On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 09:50 -0800, Ernest De Leon wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_yahoo > > Note that Ballmer knew that the former Chairman, who had refused his > previous bid, was officially out the door yesterday. He sent out the new > buy offer the same day with the now former Chairman's successor's name on > it. Knowing the frustrating situation with Yahoo shareholders, and barring > any DOJ interference, this is a slam dunk for Redmond. > > -- > Ernest de Leon > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - > http://www.prezronpaul.com From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Feb 1 12:08:35 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Fri Feb 1 12:08:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <200802010111.29310.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200802011208.36199.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 01 February 2008 01:19:54 Ernest De Leon wrote: > Actually Tweeks, I'm glad you started this discussion. It's good for > people to talk about how they can protect themselves from theft or fraud > plus their civil liberties. I, for one, never thought of writing "Check > for ID" on my card, but I will do it to my cards now. Actually... you might want to check with you bank/CC vendor. Doing anything besides signing it may invalidate the credit card. (not 100%, but have heard this mentioned here and there in my research). > It's actually a > great Idea. I will also probably get my next set of cards with photo ID on > the cards > themselves. That's what I think that I'll do also. That way authentication is still in my control, and just between the CC vendor and myself (no unwanted third parties). If anyone wants to continue this discussion, I've moved it over to the XCSSA list where we're discussing various aspects of privacy concerns: http://xcssa.org/pipermail/xcssa/2008-January/004761.html http://xcssa.org/pipermail/xcssa/2008-February/ Signup for XCSSA here: http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa > Dialog and discussion are always good things. True.. but I just don't want to be guilty of dragging the SATLUG list down with non-Linux posts (which I'm afraid I've already done). :v/ Tweeks From masterr at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 12:18:09 2008 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Fri Feb 1 12:18:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14842c410802011018k298fd377v5107078093b1c899@mail.gmail.com> I hope this doesn't go through. Yahoo and Google are really the only good competition for MS in a lot of areas, and loosing one of the big competitors is never good for consumers. Also, if it does go through say goodbye to the open source UI library that Yahoo runs, as well as expect to see Yahoo mail and flickr requiring IE in the future. -Jon On 2/1/08, Ernest De Leon wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_yahoo > > Note that Ballmer knew that the former Chairman, who had refused his > previous bid, was officially out the door yesterday. He sent out the new > buy offer the same day with the now former Chairman's successor's name on > it. Knowing the frustrating situation with Yahoo shareholders, and barring > any DOJ interference, this is a slam dunk for Redmond. > > -- > Ernest de Leon > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - > http://www.prezronpaul.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From rmarker at encoresupportsystems.com Fri Feb 1 12:43:19 2008 From: rmarker at encoresupportsystems.com (Robert Marker) Date: Fri Feb 1 12:43:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <14842c410802011018k298fd377v5107078093b1c899@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B890C3016C357429009DA25D12D09AB9667C3@YOUNG.encorefbo.com> Big Brother gets BIGGER. M$ owning Yahoo also has ramifications for anyone connected with AT&T. It is ATT/Yahoo for mail etc. Not a good situation. Robert M -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hull Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:18 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! I hope this doesn't go through. Yahoo and Google are really the only good competition for MS in a lot of areas, and loosing one of the big competitors is never good for consumers. Also, if it does go through say goodbye to the open source UI library that Yahoo runs, as well as expect to see Yahoo mail and flickr requiring IE in the future. -Jon On 2/1/08, Ernest De Leon wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_yahoo > > Note that Ballmer knew that the former Chairman, who had refused his > previous bid, was officially out the door yesterday. He sent out the new > buy offer the same day with the now former Chairman's successor's name on > it. Knowing the frustrating situation with Yahoo shareholders, and barring > any DOJ interference, this is a slam dunk for Redmond. > > -- > Ernest de Leon > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - > http://www.prezronpaul.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From luis at luisgarza.com Fri Feb 1 13:29:14 2008 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Fri Feb 1 13:29:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <5B890C3016C357429009DA25D12D09AB9667C3@YOUNG.encorefbo.com> References: <5B890C3016C357429009DA25D12D09AB9667C3@YOUNG.encorefbo.com> Message-ID: <47A3730A.4080600@luisgarza.com> Robert Marker wrote: > Big Brother gets BIGGER. M$ owning Yahoo also has ramifications for > anyone connected with AT&T. It is ATT/Yahoo for mail etc. Not a good > situation. > > Robert M > > That is why, I think that ATT should buy Yahoo. ATT can provide the high speed connections while Yahoo provides the portal. Some thing like what AOL did with the dailups and their portal. Luis From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 13:39:27 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Feb 1 13:39:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A3756F.8080403@gmail.com> This whole thing seems fishy to me. $44B is far more than their available cash of $19B. I don't know who really would want their (MSFT) stock that has been essentially flat since 2000. They do pay a dividend of $0.44/year or about 1.25% of the cost of a current share -- about what my checking account pays. I guess the current owners could just sell any stock received at a profit and walk away, but I just don't see the financial advantages to the purchase. I guess I'll have to ask my friends from Enron. -- Bruce From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:11:42 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Feb 1 14:11:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <47A3756F.8080403@gmail.com> References: <47A3756F.8080403@gmail.com> Message-ID: In this case, financial advantage isn't what they are after. It is more of a value investment play. Because the stock fell so sharply, Microsoft will pick it up at a discount (even after their premium offer) and use Yahoo to redefine their online presence (which has been operating at a loss since it's inception.) It's the classic Warren Buffet investment, you find a good company with battered stock. The price does not always reflect the value and Microsoft knows that they can monetize this failing business. Warren Buffet has even noted that in traditional economics (economists in general) know the price of everything and the value of nothing. This is why Berkshire Hathaway is where it is today. You should also note that Microsoft is gradually diversifying over a broad range of areas a la Berkshire Hathaway. What we may see in the future is Microsoft becoming more like GE or Berkshire Hathaway. If Ballmer is truly able to turn Yahoo around, the investment will pay off many times over and Google will have some serious competition. Competition is always good. On Feb 1, 2008 11:39 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > This whole thing seems fishy to me. $44B is far more than their > available cash of $19B. I don't know who really would want their (MSFT) > stock that has been essentially flat since 2000. They do pay a dividend > of $0.44/year or about 1.25% of the cost of a current share -- about > what my checking account pays. > > I guess the current owners could just sell any stock received at a > profit and walk away, but I just don't see the financial advantages to > the purchase. I guess I'll have to ask my friends from Enron. > > -- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - http://www.prezronpaul.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Feb 1 14:13:10 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Fri Feb 1 14:13:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft makes offer to buy Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <47A3756F.8080403@gmail.com> References: <47A3756F.8080403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201896790.15618.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I think that this has more to do with market share then with Yahoo's profit margin. Think about it gaining Yahoo will in the long run advantage microsh*t in the competition with google. Todd On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 13:39 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > This whole thing seems fishy to me. $44B is far more than their > available cash of $19B. I don't know who really would want their (MSFT) > stock that has been essentially flat since 2000. They do pay a dividend > of $0.44/year or about 1.25% of the cost of a current share -- about > what my checking account pays. > > I guess the current owners could just sell any stock received at a > profit and walk away, but I just don't see the financial advantages to > the purchase. I guess I'll have to ask my friends from Enron. > > -- Bruce > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:51:57 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Fri Feb 1 14:52:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0802011251t6dbf7b54t72f36c7c10f3cb29@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 31, 2008 4:06 PM, Tom Weeks wrote: > Sorry for the off topic post.. But I don't know how many times now I've > been "required" to show a photo ID when using my CC.. but I'm really > getting > sick of it. Your self validating signature (in person and on back of the > card) is all that is required legally by both Visa and Master Card* > > Has anyone else had problems bucking this? > > To have my civil liberty of self validation stolen by the state government > and > local vendors is simply not something that I'm willing to give up... > > Tweeks > * See Visa and MC rules around this both referenced here > http://www.wlindley.com/archives/28 I actually write "CHECK ID" next to my signature. I *want* them to ask for my ID, yet I have probably been asked fewer than a dozen times in the last year. Signatures are way too easy to forge, and the teenager at the gas station is hardly qualified to determine if your handwriting matches. Whose signature looks the same on that little 1/4" line on the card and the receipt that they sign anyway? Merchants need to take more responsibility for this stuff. Someone got a hold of one of my cards information and charged up $700+ of merchandise in 4 different cities around Texas, and every single time the card info was manually keyed. So the card was not present, there was no signature to verify, and no name to check against an ID. -Henry From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Feb 1 16:30:28 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Feb 1 16:30:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <47A2AC66.1010601@satx.rr.com> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A29B88.1010609@shlrm.org> <47A2AC66.1010601@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <47A39D84.3030006@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Alan Lesmerises wrote: > The store clerk may not be able to identify a forged signature, but will > they be able to identify a forged ID card any better? When I worked in > retail (many moons ago), I don't know that I would have, unless it was a > REALLY crappy fake. The skills required to identify a forged signature are far greater than the skills required to verify a forged ID card. However, that's not really the point. It was just a possible justification for using ID cards rather than trying to verify the signature. The point is this: it's not violating any of your civil liberties. The company is free to put further restrictions on the acceptance of your credit card if they so desire. If you don't like it, pay in cash, or shop somewhere else. It's as simple as that. - -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJHo52EAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObW5gL/REO298eqmg29P0tHy+o5U3g EKFNv+YiICiTZkCT7Usf5T3AUMVKJpNqkL1hLYD2+w0lKDVUVLvUVixIlb5g9ask HsnAZjgIWcqKWls4MZzFu47o4IG+Hwli8WgCeMGrGfPLdUplGXVWHIhp1P+uF2Dw kVc5wm5LmPetoCHaz+fNwThMl9/Dn5lK97Fx1+t+d8r23eMhv+EYziOYLm5+5o+p qobIZc0ohvHfizmEFj4a7ysTErAeVhqTp8LES4ItOgOelLTbfGfWrkJLNIQQyywn /O0WBiwSapxRBA++/ZXsJHWopRFjhdecyb0d2UxJUObM4Zv7Yp16GahHCEc8JKhw a7FshEDSeGJ0+7OLNg943UQjQVHZ2W9bjeIck8Ue0N1M6ms2bLbQxmTh66lwY5B5 K4JGo2HLvrOQJoRLp51mOQKmO1UV3G+h2iCz6B3xPqJN/kU2joeKI1NBlRr1U5/J oIrSryqiWK99mQphTlTwwMM3g6wHqNzDj5yNS/XFTA== =hn1r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Feb 1 16:41:32 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Fri Feb 1 16:41:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <47A39D84.3030006@shlrm.org> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A29B88.1010609@shlrm.org> <47A2AC66.1010601@satx.rr.com> <47A39D84.3030006@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1201905692.15618.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I would have to agree with David. Besides if you are really worried about privacy you shouldn't be using a credit card. Cash is the only way to ensure the privacy of your purchases. The real imposition on your privacy is the banking and credit card industry using and selling your sales info to marketers. Todd On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:30 -0600, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Alan Lesmerises wrote: > > The store clerk may not be able to identify a forged signature, but will > > they be able to identify a forged ID card any better? When I worked in > > retail (many moons ago), I don't know that I would have, unless it was a > > REALLY crappy fake. > > The skills required to identify a forged signature are far greater than > the skills required to verify a forged ID card. > > However, that's not really the point. It was just a possible > justification for using ID cards rather than trying to verify the signature. > > The point is this: it's not violating any of your civil liberties. The > company is free to put further restrictions on the acceptance of your > credit card if they so desire. If you don't like it, pay in cash, or > shop somewhere else. It's as simple as that. > > - -- > David Kowis > ================================================================== > | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | > | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | > ================================================================== > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJHo52EAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObW5gL/REO298eqmg29P0tHy+o5U3g > EKFNv+YiICiTZkCT7Usf5T3AUMVKJpNqkL1hLYD2+w0lKDVUVLvUVixIlb5g9ask > HsnAZjgIWcqKWls4MZzFu47o4IG+Hwli8WgCeMGrGfPLdUplGXVWHIhp1P+uF2Dw > kVc5wm5LmPetoCHaz+fNwThMl9/Dn5lK97Fx1+t+d8r23eMhv+EYziOYLm5+5o+p > qobIZc0ohvHfizmEFj4a7ysTErAeVhqTp8LES4ItOgOelLTbfGfWrkJLNIQQyywn > /O0WBiwSapxRBA++/ZXsJHWopRFjhdecyb0d2UxJUObM4Zv7Yp16GahHCEc8JKhw > a7FshEDSeGJ0+7OLNg943UQjQVHZ2W9bjeIck8Ue0N1M6ms2bLbQxmTh66lwY5B5 > K4JGo2HLvrOQJoRLp51mOQKmO1UV3G+h2iCz6B3xPqJN/kU2joeKI1NBlRr1U5/J > oIrSryqiWK99mQphTlTwwMM3g6wHqNzDj5yNS/XFTA== > =hn1r > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From astro at astr0.org Fri Feb 1 16:50:32 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Fri Feb 1 16:51:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <1201905692.15618.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A29B88.1010609@shlrm.org> <47A2AC66.1010601@satx.rr.com> <47A39D84.3030006@shlrm.org> <1201905692.15618.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <3A59DC97-C49A-48A8-803C-D887B0858593@astr0.org> Its tinfoil hat time!!! Thanks, Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2008, at 16:41, toddwbucy wrote: > I would have to agree with David. Besides if you are really worried > about privacy you shouldn't be using a credit card. Cash is the only > way > to ensure the privacy of your purchases. The real imposition on your > privacy is the banking and credit card industry using and selling your > sales info to marketers. > > Todd > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:30 -0600, David Kowis wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> Alan Lesmerises wrote: >>> The store clerk may not be able to identify a forged signature, >>> but will >>> they be able to identify a forged ID card any better? When I >>> worked in >>> retail (many moons ago), I don't know that I would have, unless it >>> was a >>> REALLY crappy fake. >> >> The skills required to identify a forged signature are far greater >> than >> the skills required to verify a forged ID card. >> >> However, that's not really the point. It was just a possible >> justification for using ID cards rather than trying to verify the >> signature. >> >> The point is this: it's not violating any of your civil liberties. >> The >> company is free to put further restrictions on the acceptance of your >> credit card if they so desire. If you don't like it, pay in cash, or >> shop somewhere else. It's as simple as that. >> >> - -- >> David Kowis >> ================================================================== >> | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | >> | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | >> ================================================================== >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJHo52EAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObW5gL/REO298eqmg29P0tHy+o5U3g >> EKFNv+YiICiTZkCT7Usf5T3AUMVKJpNqkL1hLYD2+w0lKDVUVLvUVixIlb5g9ask >> HsnAZjgIWcqKWls4MZzFu47o4IG+Hwli8WgCeMGrGfPLdUplGXVWHIhp1P+uF2Dw >> kVc5wm5LmPetoCHaz+fNwThMl9/Dn5lK97Fx1+t+d8r23eMhv+EYziOYLm5+5o+p >> qobIZc0ohvHfizmEFj4a7ysTErAeVhqTp8LES4ItOgOelLTbfGfWrkJLNIQQyywn >> /O0WBiwSapxRBA++/ZXsJHWopRFjhdecyb0d2UxJUObM4Zv7Yp16GahHCEc8JKhw >> a7FshEDSeGJ0+7OLNg943UQjQVHZ2W9bjeIck8Ue0N1M6ms2bLbQxmTh66lwY5B5 >> K4JGo2HLvrOQJoRLp51mOQKmO1UV3G+h2iCz6B3xPqJN/kU2joeKI1NBlRr1U5/J >> oIrSryqiWK99mQphTlTwwMM3g6wHqNzDj5yNS/XFTA== >> =hn1r >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Feb 1 16:55:00 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Feb 1 16:55:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <3A59DC97-C49A-48A8-803C-D887B0858593@astr0.org> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A29B88.1010609@shlrm.org> <47A2AC66.1010601@satx.rr.com> <47A39D84.3030006@shlrm.org> <1201905692.15618.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <3A59DC97-C49A-48A8-803C-D887B0858593@astr0.org> Message-ID: <47A3A344.5030800@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Brian Lewis wrote: > Its tinfoil hat time!!! > > Thanks, > Brian > Sent from my iPhone > W000t! Which field are we going to meet in? - -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJHo6NDAAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob0wYMAJ8iUcJesOvct1wyMWPIkXPz A0z0g/ihN25u2uBhWLuw8y5AoouBtNKoHLT3Ba/c4oBDS0dR9ezKPESRa4pF9cBn LqMTA7B1JX97fLxaoKACRYhhjAovNNcWksHP5zVO0Zt1iqrWeKzQrlabdToNI+Th Un+DJP56z/BGq+RFAnKO+u5wNmou5lakWdUv50pLxvinsFwnYDFNVyJO+YnqEztH JtK+W/W9m5KsU6wQMS+dIjkTPjQWWzXT5fIMlPp7achk5xj/dMG9WjmMGFOYfEHx +FxKjWkqVn2lpWhy8Memu8e0AoCubYTTdD4WJOaQF4Q+XHCpTCAEVSqd/HMTWmvS 9G7ZpPHAPXj0mm5m9k+lUyATw+9v1RE7X5vb6hGwt0YaHY1SEbVfpLVNtior4K3U ptsArUFAKarsZF7zPEQTXHSkfPq3OrFCRvLSrqqIL1ewjEFGGQtyc6hFV4mlbQ+W aRe65Ozvc4TZRNW8Cq9I1jjrRGRP+kRHJ0FnUH+PDg== =XIja -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Feb 1 17:02:32 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Fri Feb 1 17:02:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: <3A59DC97-C49A-48A8-803C-D887B0858593@astr0.org> References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A29B88.1010609@shlrm.org> <47A2AC66.1010601@satx.rr.com> <47A39D84.3030006@shlrm.org> <1201905692.15618.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <3A59DC97-C49A-48A8-803C-D887B0858593@astr0.org> Message-ID: <1201906952.15618.9.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> everyone knows that foil doesn't work anymore. THEY still however haven't been able to beat cellophane though. Todd On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:50 -0600, Brian Lewis wrote: > Its tinfoil hat time!!! > > Thanks, > Brian > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 16:41, toddwbucy wrote: > > > I would have to agree with David. Besides if you are really worried > > about privacy you shouldn't be using a credit card. Cash is the only > > way > > to ensure the privacy of your purchases. The real imposition on your > > privacy is the banking and credit card industry using and selling your > > sales info to marketers. > > > > Todd > > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:30 -0600, David Kowis wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA512 > >> > >> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > >>> The store clerk may not be able to identify a forged signature, > >>> but will > >>> they be able to identify a forged ID card any better? When I > >>> worked in > >>> retail (many moons ago), I don't know that I would have, unless it > >>> was a > >>> REALLY crappy fake. > >> > >> The skills required to identify a forged signature are far greater > >> than > >> the skills required to verify a forged ID card. > >> > >> However, that's not really the point. It was just a possible > >> justification for using ID cards rather than trying to verify the > >> signature. > >> > >> The point is this: it's not violating any of your civil liberties. > >> The > >> company is free to put further restrictions on the acceptance of your > >> credit card if they so desire. If you don't like it, pay in cash, or > >> shop somewhere else. It's as simple as that. > >> > >> - -- > >> David Kowis > >> ================================================================== > >> | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | > >> | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | > >> ================================================================== > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) > >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >> > >> iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJHo52EAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObW5gL/REO298eqmg29P0tHy+o5U3g > >> EKFNv+YiICiTZkCT7Usf5T3AUMVKJpNqkL1hLYD2+w0lKDVUVLvUVixIlb5g9ask > >> HsnAZjgIWcqKWls4MZzFu47o4IG+Hwli8WgCeMGrGfPLdUplGXVWHIhp1P+uF2Dw > >> kVc5wm5LmPetoCHaz+fNwThMl9/Dn5lK97Fx1+t+d8r23eMhv+EYziOYLm5+5o+p > >> qobIZc0ohvHfizmEFj4a7ysTErAeVhqTp8LES4ItOgOelLTbfGfWrkJLNIQQyywn > >> /O0WBiwSapxRBA++/ZXsJHWopRFjhdecyb0d2UxJUObM4Zv7Yp16GahHCEc8JKhw > >> a7FshEDSeGJ0+7OLNg943UQjQVHZ2W9bjeIck8Ue0N1M6ms2bLbQxmTh66lwY5B5 > >> K4JGo2HLvrOQJoRLp51mOQKmO1UV3G+h2iCz6B3xPqJN/kU2joeKI1NBlRr1U5/J > >> oIrSryqiWK99mQphTlTwwMM3g6wHqNzDj5yNS/XFTA== > >> =hn1r > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 18:04:56 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Feb 1 18:04:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases... In-Reply-To: References: <200801311606.50091.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A29B88.1010609@shlrm.org> Message-ID: I'm all about tinfoil hats....lets talk diskless PCs booting off of read-only file systems (CD/DVD) and encrypted attached storage? On Jan 31, 2008 9:18 PM, wrote: > I work at a company where only a few credit cards exist. All of the > cards say "check ID", and my name is not on a one of them. I have only > been asked for ID once, didn't match, and the place I was at at first > said they would not take the card, but because I am a returning > customer there, she ran it as a "phone-in" order and let the card thru. > > Twice, I took the same card out of state for some training, went thru > the hastle of getting the ID of the card name copied (on a copier) on > company letterhead with my id, along with a letter stating I had > authorization to use the card also on company letterhead. For two days > each trip, I used the card without being asked for any ID or having > questions raised. > > I have seen where "check ID" is suggested to be written on the sigature > block of a card, but have not seen it make a difference. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Kowis > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:09 pm > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card > purchases... > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Cc: xcssa@xcssa.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > Tom Weeks wrote: > > > Sorry for the off topic post.. But I don't know how many times > > now I've > > > been "required" to show a photo ID when using my CC.. but I'm > > really getting > > > sick of it. Your self validating signature (in person and on > > back of the > > > card) is all that is required legally by both Visa and Master > > Card* > > > > > > Has anyone else had problems bucking this? > > > > > > To have my civil liberty of self validation stolen by the state > > government and > > > local vendors is simply not something that I'm willing to give up... > > > > > > Tweeks > > > * See Visa and MC rules around this both referenced here > > > http://www.wlindley.com/archives/28 > > > > > > I'm not sure it's such a bad thing. It's just a second form of > > verifyingthat your Credit card really is your credit card. It's > > not like they're > > logging it or taking anything down. They're just using a second > > form of > > identification. I think it's fully within the rights of the > > company to > > impose further restrictions on how they do business. Just like the > > rightto carry weaponry. If you're carrying and the company asks > > you to leave, > > you must comply. > > > > I don't think this is a violation of civil liberties in any way... > > They're simply trying to protect themselves and you by not relying > > on an > > easily forge able signature. Besides that, they'd have to be good at > > comparing signatures. I don't know about you, but my signature varies > > pretty well. It would probably take a trained eye to notice the right > > parts. Your average schmo running the cash register isn't going to be > > able to do so. However, if you were to show them your drivers license, > > which are easily recognizable. They can easily match the name on the > > card with the name on the DL and you with the picture. > > > > - -- > > David Kowis > > ================================================================== > > | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | > > | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | > > ================================================================== > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJHopuIAAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob0psMAKDBkecVqqltW3ekl9nxp/cL > > cjvztHtFMSvek/q2U1jn+eaUTX86CYHVIlPTah2ip1SROFpGof+jwDNlffilLhFa > > nuJWO7JwjjbkGlcgZ1B30mBGi3rT+QH/kG2hbp/jGVyauqq+E6M+0TEfcHkJjfo4 > > kU9cjSIYCP7UD9IIBfEmWSAeE/xWR0cDbC74R0qHJWuPhVbiAbTfY3fX3hqmvjeu > > 5wus6e0ZI3Ox0yRvclHcyixashE1i3V1szSYejJz3WXZSc4JKZ6Qec/KVwSIXe/9 > > +wEMWZnVgrzEM8goh1/G+99Rw86DPbfhrDMPMxEdKiiL2fyorwcljtRFS/+ZyRrY > > gM5M9ZO/6ABktIxtTflyCCm3gHdY+KasHP11iAMZuDKbE5onvSgqaYj06VDVrHqS > > b5O7NfKmermzU7xBjUF4qsKRnUmlJ/bHHqhQz/rjn6qMd+aE1AiphTMaLVh8ipzz > > N9Zfv77LcV2dlG/Ppk41BGRSWu5dT+FhfZSoA4ZWGg== > > =yucr > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - http://www.prezronpaul.com From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 18:53:05 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Fri Feb 1 18:53:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wintendo Message-ID: <886924.25888.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a dual boot of Wintendo 64-bit and Fedora Core 8 64-bit. I never wanted it until I got an 8800 gts. I'm wondering if it is possible to increase my frames per second in games with raid 0. Is software raid or motherboard raid a better choice for Wintendo? --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From richard.maynard at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 19:02:21 2008 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Fri Feb 1 19:02:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Nothing wrong with a little self-promotion In-Reply-To: References: <006901c8645b$f625c0d0$e2714270$@com> Message-ID: <2c5b55440802011702h6516e1d6lfa09115822f984ad@mail.gmail.com> Well, good luck on your quest to try and get through the door. I came to RackSpace to do managed support after several years at EarthLink as a Sr. System Engineer for EarthLink's portal systems. It was a big change since it involved moving my whole family to San Antonio in addition to the job change. It's a lot different than my Engineering posistion where I was responsible for designing architectures and making sure we could support our internal stuff, it's a whole different challenge, but it gives me an opportunity to use my skills in different ways. I just started this week, and am really happy I made the change. -- Richard Maynard On Jan 31, 2008 6:51 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > Thanks for that. I actually have a few application in at Rackspace > already. My mother and my Brother are both employed there. It seems hard > to get in the door. I would be ecstatic to be a Racker. > > On Jan 31, 2008 5:01 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > I will say this....if you're serious about Linux and you can approach an > > employer from the angle that you have dabbled in it a little and want to > > learn and grow within the field, you will make it far. Working at > > Rackspace > > for a short stint before moving into professional consulting services, I > > can > > say that the Rack is an excellent company with the best culture and > > atmosphere a geek can ask for. I've even sent a few of my friends to > work > > there over the years and will probably be sending a few more here soon. > I > > would highly recommend the Rack as a place to start and grow into your > > career. Just remember that modesty is a virtue and you will soon be > > rubbing > > shoulders with giants (like Tweeks). I think that if you can live with > > that > > mentality, you will make it very far in the Linux world. > > > > Best of luck to you. > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 2:52 PM, Matt wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a CNS student at ITT technical Institute and will be graduating > in > > > June > > > with and Associates. I am looking for work in the IT industry. I > have > > > been > > > a lurker on SATLUG for quite some time now and felt the need to reach > > out > > > to > > > the San Antonio IT/Linux Community for any possible job leads. If you > > > have > > > any ideas or leads for me, respond directly to > matthewalan77@gmail.comand > > > I > > > will forward my resume to you. Below is a brief list of the > coursework > > I > > > have completed or will be completing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the help.. GEEKS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > Coursework > > > > > > > > > > > > - Operating Systems > > > > > > - Introduction to Computer Programming > > > > > > - Microsoft Desktop Operating System > > > > > > - Intermediate Programming > > > > > > * Database Development > > > > > > - Network Standards and Protocols > > > > > > - Microsoft Network Operating System I > > > > > > - Microsoft Network Operating System II > > > > > > - Linux Operating System > > > > > > * Linux System Administration > > > > > > * WAN Technology and Application > > > > > > * Network Technology and Service Integration > > > > > > ^ Network Systems Management > > > > > > ^ Network Development Capstone Project > > > > > > - Strategies for the Technical Professional > > > > > > - Introduction to Personal Computers > > > > > > ^ Professional Procedures and Portfolio Development > > > > > > > > > > > > -Completed > > > > > > *Currently enrolled > > > > > > ^Next Quarter > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ernest de Leon > > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety > > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > > government." - Edward Abbey > > > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do > nothing." > > - > > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - > > http://www.prezronpaul.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Richard Maynard From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 19:03:05 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Feb 1 19:03:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wintendo In-Reply-To: <886924.25888.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <886924.25888.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I doubt you will see any difference in FPS with RAID 0 because disks and graphics are not related. Your motherboard RAID is software raid, or 'fake' hardware RAID...however you want to put it. Unless you purchased an add in hardware RAID controller, you won't have a true hardware RAID. On Feb 1, 2008 4:53 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > I have a dual boot of Wintendo 64-bit and Fedora Core 8 64-bit. I never > wanted it until I got an 8800 gts. I'm wondering if it is possible to > increase my frames per second in games with raid 0. Is software raid or > motherboard raid a better choice for Wintendo? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - http://www.prezronpaul.com From richard.maynard at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 19:05:04 2008 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Fri Feb 1 19:05:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wintendo In-Reply-To: References: <886924.25888.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c5b55440802011705kca8da51w3d8124bb5aa5ddc1@mail.gmail.com> Motherboard RAID isn't software based on many motherboards. There is a dedicated RAID controller, either with its own memory or using some of the system memory on MANY motherboards these days. -- Richard Maynard On Feb 1, 2008 7:03 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I doubt you will see any difference in FPS with RAID 0 because disks and > graphics are not related. Your motherboard RAID is software raid, or > 'fake' > hardware RAID...however you want to put it. Unless you purchased an add > in > hardware RAID controller, you won't have a true hardware RAID. > > On Feb 1, 2008 4:53 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > I have a dual boot of Wintendo 64-bit and Fedora Core 8 64-bit. I never > > wanted it until I got an 8800 gts. I'm wondering if it is possible to > > increase my frames per second in games with raid 0. Is software raid or > > motherboard raid a better choice for Wintendo? > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > > Search. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Ernest de Leon > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." > - > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - > http://www.prezronpaul.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Richard Maynard From riugakusei at aim.com Fri Feb 1 19:09:06 2008 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Fri Feb 1 19:09:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio Message-ID: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> hi i am looking for a program that would alllow me to cut edit and mix songs.... any suggestions...? thanks in advacefor your help ?i ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 19:18:46 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Feb 1 19:18:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wintendo In-Reply-To: <2c5b55440802011705kca8da51w3d8124bb5aa5ddc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <886924.25888.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2c5b55440802011705kca8da51w3d8124bb5aa5ddc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I should rephrase....if there is a disk or any software to be loaded at the OS level, then it is not a true hardware RAID (e.g. raid controller, onboard DIMM, battery to hold RAID config, etc.) That should cover about 99% of the non-server class motherboards out there. On Feb 1, 2008 5:05 PM, Richard Maynard wrote: > Motherboard RAID isn't software based on many motherboards. There is a > dedicated RAID controller, either with its own memory or using some of the > system memory on MANY motherboards these days. > > -- Richard Maynard > > On Feb 1, 2008 7:03 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > I doubt you will see any difference in FPS with RAID 0 because disks and > > graphics are not related. Your motherboard RAID is software raid, or > > 'fake' > > hardware RAID...however you want to put it. Unless you purchased an add > > in > > hardware RAID controller, you won't have a true hardware RAID. > > > > On Feb 1, 2008 4:53 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > I have a dual boot of Wintendo 64-bit and Fedora Core 8 64-bit. I > never > > > wanted it until I got an 8800 gts. I'm wondering if it is possible to > > > increase my frames per second in games with raid 0. Is software raid > or > > > motherboard raid a better choice for Wintendo? > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > > > Search. > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ernest de Leon > > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety > > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > > government." - Edward Abbey > > > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do > nothing." > > - > > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - > > http://www.prezronpaul.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Richard Maynard > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - http://www.prezronpaul.com From daniel at rugmonster.org Fri Feb 1 19:28:16 2008 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Fri Feb 1 19:28:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio In-Reply-To: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47A3C730.80107@rugmonster.org> riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > hi i am looking for a program that would alllow me to cut edit and mix songs.... any suggestions...? thanks in advacefor your help > ?i Have you looked at Audacity? I've used it to make ringtones for myself out of mp3's. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Looking at the packages in the Ubuntu repositories, there is also Jokosher (http://www.jokosher.org/), mhWaveEdit (https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit), ReZound (http://rezound.sourceforge.net/), Rosegarden (http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/), Sweep (http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/), and probably a few others, but I'm kind of tired of looking through the list. Give those a looksee and see if one of those works for you. You might also want to look at the Ubuntu Studio distro (http://ubuntustudio.org/). It's made specifically for A/V work. If nothing else, you can look at what is included by default there for ideas. Best of luck! Daniel From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 19:45:36 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Fri Feb 1 19:45:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio In-Reply-To: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2008 5:09 PM, wrote: > hi i am looking for a program that would alllow me to cut edit and mix songs.... any suggestions...? thanks in advacefor your help If you are a command line warrior ... sox! -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Feb 1 20:30:59 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Fri Feb 1 20:31:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio In-Reply-To: References: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1201919459.6150.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Im an not much into audio but there are quite a few distro's out there that focus on music production. take a look at 64studio, musix, and ubuntustudio. if you dont feel like changing distros then their websites still could point you in the right direction. Todd On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 17:45 -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Feb 1, 2008 5:09 PM, wrote: > > hi i am looking for a program that would alllow me to cut edit and mix songs.... any suggestions...? thanks in advacefor your help > > If you are a command line warrior ... sox! > -- > Kristian Erik Hermansen > "Know something about everything and everything about something." From masterr at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 20:36:21 2008 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Fri Feb 1 20:36:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wintendo In-Reply-To: <886924.25888.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <886924.25888.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14842c410802011836t3713f000w9d073673de1d285c@mail.gmail.com> RAIDing (striping) will only help with load times. It won't affect your FPS at all. Thats more dependent on your video card and your CPU. Thats a nice video card, so unless your CPU (or possibly RAM) is a bottle neck or you must play Crysis on highest settings most games should be fine on your 8800GTS (same card I have). On Feb 1, 2008 6:53 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > I have a dual boot of Wintendo 64-bit and Fedora Core 8 64-bit. I never wanted it until I got an 8800 gts. I'm wondering if it is possible to increase my frames per second in games with raid 0. Is software raid or motherboard raid a better choice for Wintendo? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 20:49:30 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Fri Feb 1 20:49:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wintendo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <67686.16067.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's a project that allows you to do software raid without motherboard raid just like mdadm in Linux. That's what I meant. Ernest De Leon wrote: I doubt you will see any difference in FPS with RAID 0 because disks and graphics are not related. Your motherboard RAID is software raid, or 'fake' hardware RAID...however you want to put it. Unless you purchased an add in hardware RAID controller, you won't have a true hardware RAID. On Feb 1, 2008 4:53 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > I have a dual boot of Wintendo 64-bit and Fedora Core 8 64-bit. I never > wanted it until I got an 8800 gts. I'm wondering if it is possible to > increase my frames per second in games with raid 0. Is software raid or > motherboard raid a better choice for Wintendo? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - http://www.prezronpaul.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 20:55:48 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Fri Feb 1 20:55:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wintendo In-Reply-To: <14842c410802011836t3713f000w9d073673de1d285c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <364116.2214.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't really like the game Crysis. I don't have it installed anymore. Actually games aren't so dependent on cpu as many think. Mike L. overclocked his coro2duo from 2.4 ghz to 4.2 ghz, and it didn't make one fps difference in his games. I'm sure if you had a very slow cpu, it would make a difference, but games are mostly gpu bound. However gamers usually want fast memory, and I've heard of gamers using raid 0. Is it not making a difference for their frames per second? Jonathan Hull wrote: RAIDing (striping) will only help with load times. It won't affect your FPS at all. Thats more dependent on your video card and your CPU. Thats a nice video card, so unless your CPU (or possibly RAM) is a bottle neck or you must play Crysis on highest settings most games should be fine on your 8800GTS (same card I have). On Feb 1, 2008 6:53 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > I have a dual boot of Wintendo 64-bit and Fedora Core 8 64-bit. I never wanted it until I got an 8800 gts. I'm wondering if it is possible to increase my frames per second in games with raid 0. Is software raid or motherboard raid a better choice for Wintendo? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From justin.burdette at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 20:56:47 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Fri Feb 1 20:56:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio In-Reply-To: <1201919459.6150.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> <1201919459.6150.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: A second vote for Audacity here. I'm currently using it to re-cut an old project I originally did in Creative's editing software that came with my SB Live, and I've found Audacity very easy to use. Also doing ringtones for my Blackberry tonight, as I haven't fully customized it yet...I think I'll have the most unique ringtones in the area. How many phones have you heard ringing to the music of Bob Wills? Justin On Feb 1, 2008 8:30 PM, toddwbucy wrote: > Im an not much into audio but there are quite a few distro's out there > that focus on music production. take a look at 64studio, musix, and > ubuntustudio. if you dont feel like changing distros then their > websites still could point you in the right direction. > > Todd > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 17:45 -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2008 5:09 PM, wrote: > > > hi i am looking for a program that would alllow me to cut edit and mix > songs.... any suggestions...? thanks in advacefor your help > > > > If you are a command line warrior ... sox! > > -- > > Kristian Erik Hermansen > > "Know something about everything and everything about something." > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 21:13:54 2008 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Fri Feb 1 21:13:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio In-Reply-To: References: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> <1201919459.6150.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0802011913n9a7e2c9pe5661db2c83352a1@mail.gmail.com> Bob Wills is still the King! On Feb 1, 2008 8:56 PM, Justin Burdette wrote: Also doing ringtones for my Blackberry tonight, as I haven't fully customized it yet...I think I'll have the most unique ringtones in the area. How many phones have you heard ringing to the music of Bob Wills? From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Fri Feb 1 21:32:20 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Fri Feb 1 21:32:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Altex website In-Reply-To: <47A2B706.2010305@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <200801311505.29793.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A268ED.1000007@satx.rr.com> <47A2B706.2010305@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <47A3E444.8080704@satx.rr.com> You misunderstood -- he said they were going to keep on selling stuff on-line AFTER they closed the store on Broadway. Geoff wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> Before the Atex store on Broadway shut down for good, the guy I >> talked to told me that they intended to still be selling stuff over >> the Internet (eBay?). I don't know what their web address is (was), >> but it may be worth a look ... > > that's all gone. Broadway has been closed for a year (2?). > > They were selling stuff on ebay before the closed the Broadway doors. From riugakusei at aim.com Sat Feb 2 00:46:55 2008 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Sat Feb 2 00:47:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio In-Reply-To: <47A3C730.80107@rugmonster.org> References: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> <47A3C730.80107@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <8CA337E890AD786-8A4-68CD@WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com> Thanks fo rall the help.. i found what i needed. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel J. Givens To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > hi i am looking for a program that would alllow me to cut edit and mix songs.... any suggestions...? thanks in advacefor your help > ?i Have you looked at Audacity? I've used it to make ringtones for myself out of mp3's. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Looking at the packages in the Ubuntu repositories, there is also Jokosher (http://www.jokosher.org/), mhWaveEdit (https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit), ReZound (http://rezound.sourceforge.net/), Rosegarden (http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/), Sweep (http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/), and probably a few others, but I'm kind of tired of looking through the list. Give those a looksee and see if one of those works for you. You might also want to look at the Ubuntu Studio distro (http://ubuntustudio.org/). It's made specifically for A/V work. If nothing else, you can look at what is included by default there for ideas. Best of luck! Daniel -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com From masterr at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 01:35:44 2008 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Sat Feb 2 01:35:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Altex website In-Reply-To: <14842c410801302221y283b7029v6ce9fc88233e6e2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0801301221k5828eb1euf2f6a37376358316@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410801302221y283b7029v6ce9fc88233e6e2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410802012335l44e1496eib74676fb251e084a@mail.gmail.com> Guess wha,t guys. I just tried it again and Flash is no longer an issue on the Altex site. Did they actually listen? -Jon On 1/31/08, Jonathan Hull wrote: > Dunno if you can get to this page without flash but everyone please > leave feedback requesting the removal of the Flash requirement. > > http://www.altex.com/contact_us.php > > -Jon > > On 1/30/08, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > Hey, can anybody get to the Altex website WITHOUT Flash? I do not use > > the Flash plugin and was wanting to quote some of their prices. Even > > on the nonflash page all it does it refresh every 30 seconds or so to > > a blank page. Oh well, they just lost my business... > > > > -- > > Jeremy Mann > > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > > > University of Texas Health Science Center > > Bioinformatics Core Facility > > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > From comptech3 at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 10:25:17 2008 From: comptech3 at gmail.com (Mike Ester) Date: Sat Feb 2 10:25:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio In-Reply-To: References: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> <1201919459.6150.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <5fd31f1f0802020825x48b1380id1e3098bc0a51d7a@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 8:56 PM, Justin Burdette wrote: > I think I'll have the most unique ringtones in the area. How many phones > have you heard > ringing to the music of Bob Wills? > > Justin Now THAT is cool. From: A pedal steel guitarist who happens to use Linux. ;) From comptech3 at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 10:28:17 2008 From: comptech3 at gmail.com (Mike Ester) Date: Sat Feb 2 10:28:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Altex website In-Reply-To: <14842c410802012335l44e1496eib74676fb251e084a@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0801301221k5828eb1euf2f6a37376358316@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410801302221y283b7029v6ce9fc88233e6e2a@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410802012335l44e1496eib74676fb251e084a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fd31f1f0802020828l76b1bc3fo96af25e5689c2b1c@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 2, 2008 1:35 AM, Jonathan Hull wrote: > Guess wha,t guys. I just tried it again and Flash is no longer an > issue on the Altex site. Did they actually listen? > > -Jon > > Interesting. I just tried it and I got in without having to tell NoScript to permit any shenanigans from the site. Perhaps their attention was obtained. From richard.maynard at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 11:10:47 2008 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Sat Feb 2 11:10:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wintendo In-Reply-To: References: <886924.25888.qm@web38115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2c5b55440802011705kca8da51w3d8124bb5aa5ddc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c5b55440802020910x27eebe8eo5d3ed969bb554bda@mail.gmail.com> Just because a driver of some sort is required to interface with a controller, does not mean that it is software based RAID. In software based RAID your system has to do all the parity calculations, managment of the devices, etc... An integrated RAID controller takes care of this, even if it uses some of the system memory instead of having dedicated memory, it certainly does not make it software based RAID. Many non-server class mother boards have integrated RAID Controllers, where the disk configuration is controlled through the RAID BIOS rather than through the system. Even if you go and buy many of the different dedicated RAID Controller cards out there you're still going to be using drivers to interface with the card. It's only software RAID If your driver is having to do the RAID operations. -- Richard Maynard On Feb 1, 2008 7:18 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I should rephrase....if there is a disk or any software to be loaded at > the > OS level, then it is not a true hardware RAID (e.g. raid controller, > onboard > DIMM, battery to hold RAID config, etc.) That should cover about 99% of > the > non-server class motherboards out there. > > On Feb 1, 2008 5:05 PM, Richard Maynard wrote: > > > Motherboard RAID isn't software based on many motherboards. There is a > > dedicated RAID controller, either with its own memory or using some of > the > > system memory on MANY motherboards these days. > > > > -- Richard Maynard > > > > On Feb 1, 2008 7:03 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > > > I doubt you will see any difference in FPS with RAID 0 because disks > and > > > graphics are not related. Your motherboard RAID is software raid, or > > > 'fake' > > > hardware RAID...however you want to put it. Unless you purchased an > add > > > in > > > hardware RAID controller, you won't have a true hardware RAID. > > > > > > On Feb 1, 2008 4:53 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > > > I have a dual boot of Wintendo 64-bit and Fedora Core 8 64-bit. I > > never > > > > wanted it until I got an 8800 gts. I'm wondering if it is possible > to > > > > increase my frames per second in games with raid 0. Is software raid > > or > > > > motherboard raid a better choice for Wintendo? > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > > > > Search. > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ernest de Leon > > > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > > safety > > > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > > > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > > > > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > > > government." - Edward Abbey > > > > > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do > > nothing." > > > - > > > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > > > > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - > > > http://www.prezronpaul.com > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Richard Maynard > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Ernest de Leon > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." > - > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back - > http://www.prezronpaul.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Richard Maynard From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Feb 2 11:46:26 2008 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Feb 2 11:44:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Altex website In-Reply-To: <14842c410802012335l44e1496eib74676fb251e084a@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0801301221k5828eb1euf2f6a37376358316@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410801302221y283b7029v6ce9fc88233e6e2a@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410802012335l44e1496eib74676fb251e084a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A4AC72.1000307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jonathan Hull wrote: > Guess wha,t guys. I just tried it again and Flash is no longer an > issue on the Altex site. Did they actually listen? > Perhaps my forwarding of Jeremy's original message to a personal friend of mine at Altex made a difference (of course, with everyone else's input ;->>) From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Feb 2 11:48:34 2008 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Feb 2 11:46:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Altex website In-Reply-To: <47A3E444.8080704@satx.rr.com> References: <200801311505.29793.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A268ED.1000007@satx.rr.com> <47A2B706.2010305@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <47A3E444.8080704@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <47A4ACF2.8050609@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > You misunderstood -- he said they were going to keep on selling stuff > on-line AFTER they closed the store on Broadway. They did that too. But, the stuff was for sale on ebay, -before- the doors closed. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Feb 2 11:54:47 2008 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Feb 2 11:52:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] cutting mixing audio In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0802011913n9a7e2c9pe5661db2c83352a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CA334F57CF1AC9-E24-49AF@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> <1201919459.6150.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <8c9fbbeb0802011913n9a7e2c9pe5661db2c83352a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A4AE67.4070901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jim Wells wrote: > Bob Wills is still the King! > > On Feb 1, 2008 8:56 PM, Justin Burdette wrote: > > Also doing ringtones for my Blackberry tonight, as I haven't fully > customized it yet...I think I'll have > the most unique ringtones in the area. How many phones have you heard > ringing to the music of Bob Wills? > If You don't think I'm leaving big momma, just count the days that I'm GONE! (Bob Wills - MilkCow Blues) I still think one of the coolest ringtones I've heard was a sound sample of a locomotion at full stride and a couple of toots on the horn! (chuga-chuga chuga-chuga WOO WOOO! ) Right up there is The Allman Brothers' "Jessica" The best Ringtone I've had (and had the most positive comments on) was one I made by talking real loud into the microphone on the phone and hollering; RING RING, DAMNIT, RING RING! Get's lots of looks and smiles and questions of "where'd you download that?" ;-) From riugakusei at netscape.net Sat Feb 2 14:14:29 2008 From: riugakusei at netscape.net (riugakusei@netscape.net) Date: Sat Feb 2 14:14:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <8CA33EF59A92469-1624-245E@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> i have an acer aspire 9300 and i am trying to reinstall windows i have the recovery dvd and cds but i get the following: ?NTLDR is missing Reason: 0f000051 ?any ideas how to work around this? my system didnt come w/ the windiws xp media center cd they justsent me 6 cds and one dvd. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Feb 2 14:35:43 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Feb 2 14:35:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) ?NTLDR Message-ID: <598b827a7e8c4222b12b4c83531f7304.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >------- Original Message ------- >From: riugakusei@netscape.net, 2/2/2008 3:14:29 PM >i have an acer aspire 9300 and i am trying to reinstall windows i have the recovery dvd and cds but i get the following: ?NTLDR is missing Reason: 0f000051 ?any ideas how to work around this? my system didnt come w/ the windiws xp media center cd they justsent me 6 cds and one dvd. ---------------------------------------------------------- Did you Google on < ?NTLDR > this brings up several sites, that may have the answer, or at least provide an understanding of the problem of your problem. Lou Google & Ron Paul are our friends ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From h_oudini at hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 14:35:50 2008 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Sat Feb 2 14:35:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > i have an acer aspire 9300 and i am trying to reinstall windows i have the recovery dvd and cds but i get the following: > ?NTLDR is missing > Reason: 0f000051 > ?any ideas how to work around this? my system didnt come w/ the windiws xp media center cd they justsent me 6 cds and one dvd. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com > I believe "Reason: 0f000051" means "needs Linux" ;-) I'm not sure why you posted this question to a Linux user's group (though there is probably at least one person on this list who could help you). -Kase _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Feb 2 16:23:23 2008 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Feb 2 16:23:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8CA33EF59A92469-1624-245E@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA33EF59A92469-1624-245E@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47A4ED5B.6010409@rugmonster.org> riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > i have an acer aspire 9300 and i am trying to reinstall windows i have the recovery dvd and cds but i get the following: > ?NTLDR is missing > Reason: 0f000051 > ?any ideas how to work around this? my system didnt come w/ the windiws xp media center cd they justsent me 6 cds and one dvd. Change the boot order to boot from your DVD drive first in the system's BIOS. And there is no really nice way to put this and I don't mean to be an ass in saying this, but you should think about trying Google before asking the list, especially about Windows questions. From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 16:49:03 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Feb 2 16:49:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Altex website In-Reply-To: <47A4AC72.1000307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <79ec289f0801301221k5828eb1euf2f6a37376358316@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410801302221y283b7029v6ce9fc88233e6e2a@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410802012335l44e1496eib74676fb251e084a@mail.gmail.com> <47A4AC72.1000307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0802021449r5d4b1192vb9b76ce4fa53e890@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 2, 2008 11:46 AM, Geoff wrote: > Jonathan Hull wrote: > > Guess wha,t guys. I just tried it again and Flash is no longer an > > issue on the Altex site. Did they actually listen? > > > > Perhaps my forwarding of Jeremy's original message to a personal friend > of mine at Altex made a difference (of course, with everyone else's > input ;->>) I just tried it, nope, still requires Flash. Even if you go to the nonflash.php site, it redirects BACK to the Flash enabled site. I was up there on Wednesday evening and gave a good word to the manager about it. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From hc at lookcee.com Sat Feb 2 17:17:44 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:17:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Sopcast TV streaming Message-ID: <47A4FA18.6000402@lookcee.com> Does anyone have any experience with this deal? http://www.myp2p.eu/softwareitem.php?softwareid=5&part=software I'm gonna devote Sun morning to playing with this in hopes of watching or hearing the Superbowl show so any tips would be appreciated. Like will it work with VLC or what player is best? Thanks herb From astro at astr0.org Sat Feb 2 17:32:37 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:33:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Sopcast TV streaming In-Reply-To: <47A4FA18.6000402@lookcee.com> References: <47A4FA18.6000402@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <23D35913-7B5E-4637-BE7B-EED2DAC299A9@astr0.org> Streaming the superbowl without the express written concent of the NFL is highly illegal. And sop logs ip's. I recommend paying for cable and watching it legally. Thanks, Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2008, at 17:17, herb cee wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with this deal? > > http://www.myp2p.eu/softwareitem.php?softwareid=5&part=software > > I'm gonna devote Sun morning to playing with this in hopes of > watching or hearing the Superbowl show so any tips would be > appreciated. Like will it work with VLC or what player is best? > Thanks herb > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 17:37:16 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:37:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Sopcast TV streaming In-Reply-To: <23D35913-7B5E-4637-BE7B-EED2DAC299A9@astr0.org> References: <47A4FA18.6000402@lookcee.com> <23D35913-7B5E-4637-BE7B-EED2DAC299A9@astr0.org> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2008 3:32 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > Streaming the superbowl without the express written concent of the NFL > is highly illegal. > > And sop logs ip's. I recommend paying for cable and watching it legally. Heh, yeah, you aren't even allowed to act out a superb play either to tell your friends about it. In fact, any representation of the game is illegal. So, you can't even tell your friend over the phone "dude, the guy did a backflip, landed on his head and caught the ball upside down! It was insane!" That would be illegal. It is also illegal to watch DVDs you legally own on Linux ;-P -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." From astro at astr0.org Sat Feb 2 17:46:29 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:48:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Sopcast TV streaming In-Reply-To: References: <47A4FA18.6000402@lookcee.com> <23D35913-7B5E-4637-BE7B-EED2DAC299A9@astr0.org> Message-ID: Just saying discussing illegal acts on a public list isn't wise. Thanks, Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2008, at 17:37, "Kristian Erik Hermansen" wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008 3:32 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: >> Streaming the superbowl without the express written concent of the >> NFL >> is highly illegal. >> >> And sop logs ip's. I recommend paying for cable and watching it >> legally. > > Heh, yeah, you aren't even allowed to act out a superb play either to > tell your friends about it. In fact, any representation of the game > is illegal. So, you can't even tell your friend over the phone "dude, > the guy did a backflip, landed on his head and caught the ball upside > down! It was insane!" That would be illegal. It is also illegal to > watch DVDs you legally own on Linux ;-P > -- > Kristian Erik Hermansen > "Know something about everything and everything about something." > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 17:52:41 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:52:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Sopcast TV streaming In-Reply-To: References: <47A4FA18.6000402@lookcee.com> <23D35913-7B5E-4637-BE7B-EED2DAC299A9@astr0.org> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2008 3:46 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > Just saying discussing illegal acts on a public list isn't wise. Well, if it is mean for discussion, it's not all bad. In this case, maybe the guy doesn't live in San Antonio and actually lives in Europe, where it may be legal to copy DVDs and stream American TV shows. I have no idea. This is the internet :-( -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." From hector.bojorquez at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 17:56:31 2008 From: hector.bojorquez at gmail.com (Hector Bojorquez) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:56:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <47A4ED5B.6010409@rugmonster.org> References: <8CA33EF59A92469-1624-245E@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> <47A4ED5B.6010409@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <2470980d0802021556x365104b8k7227b02ac0864faa@mail.gmail.com> WOW .. now THAT'S a great way to endear people to SATLUG! On Feb 2, 2008 4:23 PM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > riugakusei@netscape.net wrote: > > i have an acer aspire 9300 and i am trying to reinstall windows i have > the recovery dvd and cds but i get the following: > > ?NTLDR is missing > > Reason: 0f000051 > > ?any ideas how to work around this? my system didnt come w/ the windiws > xp media center cd they justsent me 6 cds and one dvd. > > Change the boot order to boot from your DVD drive first in the system's > BIOS. > > And there is no really nice way to put this and I don't mean to be an > ass in saying this, but you should think about trying Google before > asking the list, especially about Windows questions. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mgrooms at satx.rr.com Sat Feb 2 19:38:54 2008 From: mgrooms at satx.rr.com (Matt Grooms) Date: Sat Feb 2 19:39:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Altex website In-Reply-To: <47A268ED.1000007@satx.rr.com> References: <200801311505.29793.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47A268ED.1000007@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <06ab01c86605$89c86360$05000100@burnside.local> The eBay alter ego for our beloved Altex Electronics is Jax Electronics: http://stores.ebay.com/Jax-Electronics "Jax" is the same Jack I referred to in the mini-history of Altex; shared with the group by Tom Weeks. He's alive and well, trying to fill orders on whatever electronic goodies he has available. Matt Grooms - San Antonio > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Alan Lesmerises > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:34 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Altex website > > Before the Atex store on Broadway shut down for good, the guy I talked > to told me that they intended to still be selling stuff over the > Internet (eBay?). I don't know what their web address is (was), but it > may be worth a look ... > > Ernest De Leon wrote: > > It's cool that you bring up Atex and Rheinert. He was the main reason that > > I always went to that place. Way way back in the day when I used to work on > > car audio/security, I would get all of my supplies there (resistors, diodes, > > switches, capacitors, heat shrink, solder, etc). Once I moved into the > > realm of hacking console hardware, I would get my mod chips from Canada and > > still went to Atex for all of the supplies to install them. I remember the > > last time I went there and drove up to an abandoned building. That was one > > of the bleakest days in my life. Radioshack lost it's reputation a very > > long time ago as a geek haven, and now they just sell crap. I've been to > > InterTex a few times when I needed something real fast, but now adays I just > > order all of the components I need from Mouser (mouser.com) The gradual > > change from electronics that needed 'repair' to 'expendable' ones was the > > eventual death knell of the electronic component stores. Along with > > convenience, we included tons of un-needed waste and a society that doesn't > > know what quality is anymore. It's truly a sad time. > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 1:05 PM, Tom Weeks wrote: > > > > > >> On Thursday 31 January 2008 10:38:51 scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >> > >>> I've dealt with Altex since they were on Sunset, and > >>> find them a blessing, especially the N.W store for > >>> those impromptu occasions when I need, or want, > >>> something right away to complete a project. The > >>> current 46 mile round trip is a breeze compared to > >>> 281N or the early 1980s when I used to drive to > >>> Richardson and Plano for computer parts. > >>> > >>> Yes their prices are higher, but so is their floor > >>> space and cost of doing business, and extensive > >>> inventory. ACS is cheaper, but their floor space and > >>> personnel is lower and selection limited. > >>> > >>> The one I really miss is Atex for electronic > >>> components and hardware, built many a test fixture > >>> and ATE interface with their parts, and saved customers > >>> a lot of money not having to buy a gross of fasteners > >>> and standoffs, when only a dozen were needed for the job. > >>> > >> Here here.. I really loved the Altex (aka "A_Tex") over off Gulfdale.. > >> Especially that little guru German engineer Rheinert. He was always there > >> for me when I had a circuit design question or needed someone to bounce an > >> uber technical question off of. They are sadly missed. For the full > >> historical story of AlTex on Gulfdale and what became of them, see this > >> XCSSA > >> post from 2006 by our local electronics historical guru Matt Grooms: > >> http://xcssa.org/pipermail/xcssa/2006-July/003771.html > >> > >> Now I'm not talking about PC parts here, but if you need electronic > >> components, soldering gear, test gear, etc... the only place in town that > >> comes remotely close to the old Gulfdale Altex is InterTex Electronics, > >> spawned off from the old ATex crew 8-9 years ago: > >> http://www.intertexelectronics.com/ > >> http://tinyurl.com/38c7pk > >> (at I10 and Hilderbrand) > >> > >> Hope that helps.. > >> > >> Tweeks > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From trunty at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 20:16:00 2008 From: trunty at gmail.com (Travis Runty) Date: Sat Feb 2 20:16:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] off topic... Home security alarm components... Message-ID: <8645e54d0802021816u7bc6c21y94e891dc34da1c28@mail.gmail.com> All: I am looking for a local store that I can buy all necessary components for a home alarm system (traditional, non TCP/IP :) ). I have found plenty of online places but I cannot find anything local. Does Altex sell this type of item?? If anyone has any recommendations for first hand experience regarding this I'd appreciate it. -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.travisrunty.com From phnx.lists at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 20:24:11 2008 From: phnx.lists at gmail.com (phn1x) Date: Sat Feb 2 20:24:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] off topic... Home security alarm components... In-Reply-To: <8645e54d0802021816u7bc6c21y94e891dc34da1c28@mail.gmail.com> References: <8645e54d0802021816u7bc6c21y94e891dc34da1c28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c60f31a0802021824p226144akbf12215991487bab@mail.gmail.com> Altex has a plethora of Alarm crap On Feb 2, 2008 8:16 PM, Travis Runty wrote: > All: > > I am looking for a local store that I can buy all necessary components for > a > home alarm system (traditional, non TCP/IP :) ). I have found plenty of > online places but I cannot find anything local. Does Altex sell this type > of item?? If anyone has any recommendations for first hand experience > regarding this I'd appreciate it. > > -- > > Travis Runty > 210.391.3949 > www.travisrunty.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 20:49:06 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Feb 2 20:49:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] off topic... Home security alarm components... In-Reply-To: <8645e54d0802021816u7bc6c21y94e891dc34da1c28@mail.gmail.com> References: <8645e54d0802021816u7bc6c21y94e891dc34da1c28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0802021849u40a56200k5fb6d04b6cff32f@mail.gmail.com> Altex has a complete isle for security stuff. Myself, a few years ago I bought a Axis 2100 camera from a friend. You can find one on eBay for about $250. Its a embedded Linux web server running lightHTTP (I think) on a default TCP port. The Linux app "motion" can connect to the device and perform a few functions. Take snapshots every few minutes, detect motion and record to an AVI or MPEG, or email the "motion" pictures. Currently I have it hidden in my house and can monitor the interior of my house from a web browser. I did have motion on mine running for awhile, but with cats in the house, it was always recording ;) Things to consider, the Axis products are quite expensive, but they do deliver. They offer POE (power over ethernet) and audio modules in case you want to listen as well. And they come in wired and wireless models. The wireless model is about $300-350. The more expensive models, PTZ, can remote PTZ (pan tilt and zoom) all from a web browser, but expect to pay about $1100 for that capability. On Feb 2, 2008 8:16 PM, Travis Runty wrote: > All: > > I am looking for a local store that I can buy all necessary components for a > home alarm system (traditional, non TCP/IP :) ). I have found plenty of > online places but I cannot find anything local. Does Altex sell this type > of item?? If anyone has any recommendations for first hand experience > regarding this I'd appreciate it. > > -- > > Travis Runty > 210.391.3949 > www.travisrunty.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From masterr at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 20:53:22 2008 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Sat Feb 2 20:53:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Altex website In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0802021449r5d4b1192vb9b76ce4fa53e890@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0801301221k5828eb1euf2f6a37376358316@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410801302221y283b7029v6ce9fc88233e6e2a@mail.gmail.com> <14842c410802012335l44e1496eib74676fb251e084a@mail.gmail.com> <47A4AC72.1000307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <79ec289f0802021449r5d4b1192vb9b76ce4fa53e890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14842c410802021853r3387364by4849b9df0235b7fb@mail.gmail.com> Really? Seems like it works too me. Tried refreshing? Cleared your cache? (Just a though, heh). -Jon On 2/2/08, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008 11:46 AM, Geoff wrote: > > Jonathan Hull wrote: > > > Guess wha,t guys. I just tried it again and Flash is no longer an > > > issue on the Altex site. Did they actually listen? > > > > > > > Perhaps my forwarding of Jeremy's original message to a personal friend > > of mine at Altex made a difference (of course, with everyone else's > > input ;->>) > > I just tried it, nope, still requires Flash. Even if you go to the > nonflash.php site, it redirects BACK to the Flash enabled site. > > I was up there on Wednesday evening and gave a good word to the > manager about it. > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From trunty at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 21:12:09 2008 From: trunty at gmail.com (Travis Runty) Date: Sat Feb 2 21:12:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] off topic... Home security alarm components... In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0802021849u40a56200k5fb6d04b6cff32f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8645e54d0802021816u7bc6c21y94e891dc34da1c28@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0802021849u40a56200k5fb6d04b6cff32f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8645e54d0802021912i367679c6h991aab9dd586f470@mail.gmail.com> Jeremy, Thanks for the information but I was actually meaning alarm systems, not video surveillance. Also, I agree that Axis cameras are very nice (and pricey). In the past year I implemented a 20 camera (axis) surveillance system using two debian servers running Zoneminder with GREAT success. Also, phn1x, thanks for the heads up. I think I'll give Altex a visit tomorrow. On Feb 2, 2008 8:49 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Altex has a complete isle for security stuff. Myself, a few years ago > I bought a Axis 2100 camera from a friend. You can find one on eBay > for about $250. Its a embedded Linux web server running lightHTTP (I > think) on a default TCP port. The Linux app "motion" can connect to > the device and perform a few functions. Take snapshots every few > minutes, detect motion and record to an AVI or MPEG, or email the > "motion" pictures. Currently I have it hidden in my house and can > monitor the interior of my house from a web browser. I did have motion > on mine running for awhile, but with cats in the house, it was always > recording ;) > > Things to consider, the Axis products are quite expensive, but they do > deliver. They offer POE (power over ethernet) and audio modules in > case you want to listen as well. And they come in wired and wireless > models. The wireless model is about $300-350. > > The more expensive models, PTZ, can remote PTZ (pan tilt and zoom) all > from a web browser, but expect to pay about $1100 for that capability. > > On Feb 2, 2008 8:16 PM, Travis Runty wrote: > > All: > > > > I am looking for a local store that I can buy all necessary components > for a > > home alarm system (traditional, non TCP/IP :) ). I have found plenty > of > > online places but I cannot find anything local. Does Altex sell this > type > > of item?? If anyone has any recommendations for first hand experience > > regarding this I'd appreciate it. > > > > -- > > > > Travis Runty > > 210.391.3949 > > www.travisrunty.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.travisrunty.com From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Feb 2 21:25:48 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat Feb 2 21:25:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Altex website In-Reply-To: <06ab01c86605$89c86360$05000100@burnside.local> References: <47A268ED.1000007@satx.rr.com> <06ab01c86605$89c86360$05000100@burnside.local> Message-ID: <200802022125.49399.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 02 February 2008 19:38:54 Matt Grooms wrote: > The eBay alter ego for our beloved Altex Electronics is Jax Electronics: > http://stores.ebay.com/Jax-Electronics > > "Jax" is the same Jack I referred to in the mini-history of Altex; shared > with the group by Tom Weeks. He's alive and well, trying to fill orders on > whatever electronic goodies he has available. Thanks for sharing Matt.. And thanks for the detailed write up back in 2005. :) Tweeks > Matt Grooms - San Antonio > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > > Behalf Of Alan Lesmerises Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:34 PM > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Altex website > > > > Before the Atex store on Broadway shut down for good, the guy I talked > > to told me that they intended to still be selling stuff over the > > Internet (eBay?). I don't know what their web address is (was), but it > > may be worth a look ... > > > > Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > It's cool that you bring up Atex and Rheinert. He was the main reason > > > that I always went to that place. Way way back in the day when I used > > > to work on car audio/security, I would get all of my supplies there > > > (resistors, diodes, switches, capacitors, heat shrink, solder, etc). > > > Once I moved into the realm of hacking console hardware, I would get my > > > mod chips from Canada and still went to Atex for all of the supplies to > > > install them. I remember the last time I went there and drove up to an > > > abandoned building. That was one of the bleakest days in my life. > > > Radioshack lost it's reputation a very long time ago as a geek haven, > > > and now they just sell crap. I've been to InterTex a few times when I > > > needed something real fast, but now adays I just order all of the > > > components I need from Mouser (mouser.com) The gradual change from > > > electronics that needed 'repair' to 'expendable' ones was the eventual > > > death knell of the electronic component stores. Along with > > > convenience, we included tons of un-needed waste and a society that > > > doesn't know what quality is anymore. It's truly a sad time. > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 1:05 PM, Tom Weeks wrote: > > >> On Thursday 31 January 2008 10:38:51 scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > >>> I've dealt with Altex since they were on Sunset, and > > >>> find them a blessing, especially the N.W store for > > >>> those impromptu occasions when I need, or want, > > >>> something right away to complete a project. The > > >>> current 46 mile round trip is a breeze compared to > > >>> 281N or the early 1980s when I used to drive to > > >>> Richardson and Plano for computer parts. > > >>> > > >>> Yes their prices are higher, but so is their floor > > >>> space and cost of doing business, and extensive > > >>> inventory. ACS is cheaper, but their floor space and > > >>> personnel is lower and selection limited. > > >>> > > >>> The one I really miss is Atex for electronic > > >>> components and hardware, built many a test fixture > > >>> and ATE interface with their parts, and saved customers > > >>> a lot of money not having to buy a gross of fasteners > > >>> and standoffs, when only a dozen were needed for the job. > > >> > > >> Here here.. I really loved the Altex (aka "A_Tex") over off Gulfdale.. > > >> Especially that little guru German engineer Rheinert. He was always > > >> there for me when I had a circuit design question or needed someone to > > >> bounce an uber technical question off of. They are sadly missed. For > > >> the full historical story of AlTex on Gulfdale and what became of > > >> them, see this XCSSA > > >> post from 2006 by our local electronics historical guru Matt Grooms: > > >> http://xcssa.org/pipermail/xcssa/2006-July/003771.html > > >> > > >> Now I'm not talking about PC parts here, but if you need electronic > > >> components, soldering gear, test gear, etc... the only place in town > > >> that comes remotely close to the old Gulfdale Altex is InterTex > > >> Electronics, spawned off from the old ATex crew 8-9 years ago: > > >> http://www.intertexelectronics.com/ > > >> http://tinyurl.com/38c7pk > > >> (at I10 and Hilderbrand) > > >> > > >> Hope that helps.. > > >> > > >> Tweeks > > >> -- > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SATLUG mailing list > > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Feb 2 22:37:33 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Feb 2 22:40:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] off topic... Home security alarm components... In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0802021849u40a56200k5fb6d04b6cff32f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8645e54d0802021816u7bc6c21y94e891dc34da1c28@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0802021849u40a56200k5fb6d04b6cff32f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/08, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Altex has a complete isle for security stuff. Myself, a few years ago > I boug