From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Jan 1 09:28:48 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Jan 1 09:28:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] laptop encryption In-Reply-To: <200712300155.32082.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200801011528.m01FSmts029595@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Thanks to all who sent me suggestions for disk encryption software. I have passed the recommendations along. Y'all have a wonderful 2008! -b. From geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Jan 1 10:45:06 2008 From: geoff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Jan 1 10:45:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] laptop encryption & JNY In-Reply-To: <200801011528.m01FSmts029595@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200801011528.m01FSmts029595@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <477A6E12.1010907@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Borries Demeler wrote: > Thanks to all who sent me suggestions for disk encryption software. > I have passed the recommendations along. > > Y'all have a wonderful 2008! > the same to everyone from me... Happy New Year, all ya'll. (any true southerner knows that the plural of 'ya'll' is 'all ya'll' ;-) ) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 11:57:31 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jan 1 11:57:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] grub error code 23 Message-ID: <361264.43088.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Anyone know how to fix this? It was working fine until I had to reinstall XP which I've had to do already... but a grub-install would put the bootloader back on. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 11:59:49 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jan 1 11:59:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] grub error code 23 In-Reply-To: <361264.43088.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <452493.43754.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> weird.. my vga setting had to be 0x31a... hmm..looks like device.map was incorrect also. sigh. Thanks --- Alex Bartonek wrote: > Anyone know how to fix this? It was working fine > until I had to reinstall XP which I've had to do > already... but a grub-install would put the > bootloader > back on. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From cherylholmes at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 1 13:25:51 2008 From: cherylholmes at sbcglobal.net (CHERYL HOLMES) Date: Tue Jan 1 13:25:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> Message-ID: <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report people copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we should be able to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on MP3 players, etc. : Bumper sticker, ?Sure you can trust the government ? just ask an Indian!? From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 13:32:23 2008 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Tue Jan 1 13:32:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly looking at your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never own a copy of that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... Just another way m$ is spying on people On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES wrote: > I understand Vista has something built into it that will report people > copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we should be able > to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on > MP3 players, etc. : > > > Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government ? just ask an > Indian!" > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From argiod at bresnan.net Tue Jan 1 18:19:47 2008 From: argiod at bresnan.net (John Chalinder) Date: Tue Jan 1 18:19:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who are those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... :P On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 country wrote: > vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly looking at > your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never own a copy of > that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... > > Just another way m$ is spying on people > > > > On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES wrote: > >> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report people >> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we should be able >> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on >> MP3 players, etc. : >> >> >> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government ? just ask an >> Indian!" >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- >Ft. Devens > 138th Avn Co (RR) > HHC USASATR Ft Devens > 507th USASAE SPD > 138th Avn Co (RR) > 293rd Avn Co (SA) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From astro at astr0.org Tue Jan 1 18:31:16 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Tue Jan 1 18:31:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" wrote: > I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had > backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, > that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who are > those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my > door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... > > :P > > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 > country wrote: >> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly >> looking at >> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never own a >> copy of >> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... >> Just another way m$ is spying on people >> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES >> wrote: >>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report >>> people >>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we >>> should be able >>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on >>> MP3 players, etc. : >>> >>> >>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government ? just as >>> k an >>> Indian!" >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> -- >> Ft. Devens >> 138th Avn Co (RR) >> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >> 507th USASAE SPD >> 138th Avn Co (RR) >> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 18:34:25 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 1 18:34:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> Message-ID: I think he was joking... E On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" wrote: > > > I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had > > backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, > > that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who are > > those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my > > door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... > > > > :P > > > > > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 > > country wrote: > >> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly > >> looking at > >> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never own a > >> copy of > >> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... > >> Just another way m$ is spying on people > >> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES > >> wrote: > >>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report > >>> people > >>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we > >>> should be able > >>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on > >>> MP3 players, etc. : > >>> > >>> > >>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government ? just as > >>> k an > >>> Indian!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SATLUG mailing list > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>> > >> -- > >> Ft. Devens > >> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >> HHC USASATR Ft Devens > >> 507th USASAE SPD > >> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >> 293rd Avn Co (SA) > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Join the Ron Paul Revolution http://www.prezronpaul.com Ron Paul for President From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 19:05:10 2008 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Tue Jan 1 19:05:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> Message-ID: <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I worked for was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to spend an hour or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the posterior On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I think he was joking... > > E > > On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > > > I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" wrote: > > > > > I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had > > > backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, > > > that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who are > > > those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my > > > door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... > > > > > > :P > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 > > > country wrote: > > >> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly > > >> looking at > > >> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never own a > > >> copy of > > >> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... > > >> Just another way m$ is spying on people > > >> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES > > >> wrote: > > >>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report > > >>> people > > >>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we > > >>> should be able > > >>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on > > >>> MP3 players, etc. : > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government ? just as > > >>> k an > > >>> Indian!" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> SATLUG mailing list > > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org > > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> Ft. Devens > > >> 138th Avn Co (RR) > > >> HHC USASATR Ft Devens > > >> 507th USASAE SPD > > >> 138th Avn Co (RR) > > >> 293rd Avn Co (SA) > > >> -- > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SATLUG mailing list > > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Join the Ron Paul Revolution > http://www.prezronpaul.com > Ron Paul for President > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From argiod at bresnan.net Tue Jan 1 19:51:40 2008 From: argiod at bresnan.net (John Chalinder) Date: Tue Jan 1 19:51:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> Message-ID: Well, that may be true about the tin foil hat. But, before you call me paranoid, tell me again why you are using Ubuntu instead of Microslop? Also, consider the following: I see a lot of talk here regarding back doors in MS's OS. And, while I don't think it's economically feasible to keep track of every computer in the country/world, it still would not surprise me to find out that somebody has figured out a way to hook up enough Cray supercomputers with the software to do so. And the exorbitant cost is not an issue; it would simply be taken from black ops money, and none would be the wiser. I remember a few years ago hearing about the Echelon program that listened to international (and post 9/11, domestic) phone calls and at detecting certain 'key words' would record the conversation for later analysis by the NSA. So, yes, I'll keep that tin foil hat, and my survival gear handy. You may recognize this quote from the Lutheran anti-Nazi activist, who formed a resistance movement and was then arrested and spent years in prison for his beliefs: ?First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. "Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. "Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. "Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.? I've found an updated paraphrase of this: They came for the Muslims, and I Didn't Speak Up January 4, 2003. By Stephen Rohde Forum Column (from the Daily Journal) (Author's Note: The USA Patriot Act became law a little over one year ago.) (Editor's Note: This New Year let us remember freedom in America as it was and think about what the loss of that freedom means to us all. We, each and everyone of us, have a duty to America to speak up whenever and where ever our Freedom is taken or diminished.) "First they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Muslim. "Then they came for the immigrants, detaining them indefinitely solely on the certification of the attorney general, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't an immigrant. "Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their attorneys, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a suspect. "Then they came to prosecute non citizens before secret military commissions, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a non-citizen "Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced, sneak and peak searches, and I didn't speak up because I had nothing to hide. "Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration and surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, and I didn't speak up because I no longer participated in any groups. "Then they came to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without any charges and without access to lawyers, and I didn't speak up because I would never be arrested. "Then they came to institute TIPS Terrorism Information and Prevention System recruiting citizens to spy on other citizens and I didn't speak up because I was afraid. "Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy because it only aided the terrorists and gave ammunition to America's enemies, and I didn't speak up because I didn't speak up. "Then they came for me, and by that time, no one was left to speak up." So, where is the line between paranoia and valid concern? On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:31:16 -0600 Brian Lewis wrote: > I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" wrote: > >> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had >> backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, >> that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who are >> those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my >> door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... >> >> :P From astro at astr0.org Tue Jan 1 19:57:28 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Tue Jan 1 19:58:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> Message-ID: I dont use ubuntu Sent from my iPhone On Jan 1, 2008, at 7:51 PM, "John Chalinder" wrote: > Well, that may be true about the tin foil hat. But, before you call > me paranoid, tell me again why you are using Ubuntu instead of > Microslop? Also, consider the following: > > I see a lot of talk here regarding back doors in MS's OS. And, while > I don't think it's economically feasible to keep track of every > computer in the country/world, it still would not surprise me to > find out that somebody has figured out a way to hook up enough Cray > supercomputers with the software to do so. And the exorbitant cost > is not an issue; it would simply be taken from black ops money, and > none would be the wiser. > > I remember a few years ago hearing about the Echelon program that > listened to international (and post 9/11, domestic) phone calls and > at detecting certain 'key words' would record the conversation for > later analysis by the NSA. So, yes, I'll keep that tin foil hat, and > my survival gear handy. > > You may recognize this quote from the Lutheran anti-Nazi activist, > who formed a resistance movement and was then arrested and spent > years in prison for his beliefs: > > ?First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out becaus > e I was not a socialist. > "Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out > because I was not a trade unionist. > "Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was > not a Jew. "Then they came for me, and there was no one left to > speak for me.? > > I've found an updated paraphrase of this: > > They came for the Muslims, and I Didn't Speak Up > January 4, 2003. > > By Stephen Rohde > Forum Column (from the Daily Journal) > (Author's Note: The USA Patriot Act became law a little over one > year ago.) > (Editor's Note: This New Year let us remember freedom in America as > it was and think about what the loss of that freedom means to us > all. We, each and everyone of us, have a duty to America to speak up > whenever and where ever our Freedom is taken or diminished.) > > "First they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I > wasn't a Muslim. > > "Then they came for the immigrants, detaining them indefinitely > solely on the certification of the attorney general, and I didn't > speak up because I wasn't an immigrant. > > "Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their > attorneys, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a suspect. > > "Then they came to prosecute non citizens before secret military > commissions, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a non-citizen > > "Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced, sneak > and peak searches, and I didn't speak up because I had nothing to > hide. > > "Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration > and surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, and I > didn't speak up because I no longer participated in any groups. > > "Then they came to arrest American citizens and hold them > indefinitely without any charges and without access to lawyers, and > I didn't speak up because I would never be arrested. > > "Then they came to institute TIPS Terrorism Information and > Prevention System recruiting citizens to spy on other citizens and I > didn't speak up because I was afraid. > > "Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy because > it only aided the terrorists and gave ammunition to America's > enemies, and I didn't speak up because I didn't speak up. > > "Then they came for me, and by that time, no one was left to speak > up." > > So, where is the line between paranoia and valid concern? > > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:31:16 -0600 > Brian Lewis wrote: >> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" >> wrote: >>> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency >>> had backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. >>> But, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! >>> Who are those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes >>> doing at my door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me >>> away.... >>> >>> :P > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From argiod at bresnan.net Tue Jan 1 19:59:02 2008 From: argiod at bresnan.net (John Chalinder) Date: Tue Jan 1 19:59:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> Message-ID: Indeed, it was posted as humor; albeit, tongue in cheek, close to the bone, humor. The odd thing about rhetorical humor is exactly that it hits close to home. And, even so, some conspiracy theories may be unprovable realities. That is what 'Plausible deniability' is all about, isn't it? One of the drawbacks to 'free speech' has always been the ability to flood the public ear with so much conflicting information, and throw in enough 'crackpots' to obfuscate any truth, whatsoever. Just look at the long standing, and still alive, controversy over UFOs. Now, even if we were in contact with ETs, nobody would give it any serious consideration, due to years of conflicting cover-ups and controversy and genuine crazies. On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:34:25 -0800 "Ernest De Leon" wrote: > I think he was joking... > > E > > On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > >> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" wrote: >> >> > I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had >> > backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, >> > that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who are >> > those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my >> > door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... >> > >> > :P >> > >> > >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 >> > country wrote: >> >> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly >> >> looking at >> >> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never own a >> >> copy of >> >> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... >> >> Just another way m$ is spying on people >> >> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES >> >> wrote: >> >>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report >> >>> people >> >>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we >> >>> should be able >> >>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on >> >>> MP3 players, etc. : >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government ? just as >> >>> k an >> >>> Indian!" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SATLUG mailing list >> >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >> >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Ft. Devens >> >> 138th Avn Co (RR) >> >> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >> >> 507th USASAE SPD >> >> 138th Avn Co (RR) >> >> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SATLUG mailing list >> >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > Join the Ron Paul Revolution > http://www.prezronpaul.com > Ron Paul for President > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From argiod at bresnan.net Tue Jan 1 20:07:29 2008 From: argiod at bresnan.net (John Chalinder) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:07:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Understood. I've talked to a few 'suits' myself. Mostly because of my implementation of what I perceive to be my 'right to free speech', supposedly granted by the Constitution. Of course, most are not aware that, from the time the president declared a state of national emergency, the US Constitution effectively became null and void; being that we are essentially in a state of declared war. All it takes right now to totally ignore your Constitutional rights is for a government official to declare that you are suspected of being involved in terrorism. Then they can pretty much do whatever they choose with you. Arrest, no lawyer, no communication, no trial; just a one way ticket to Gitmo, or some other US camp in a country that is not a signatory to the Geneva Convention. Not entirely unlike the state Germany was in during the reign of one Adolph Hitler... It's been dressed up a bit prettier, but it's still from the same pig sty... Of course; this is an expression of my right to free speech. It is just my opinion; I could be wrong. On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:05:10 -0600 country wrote: > Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I worked for > was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to spend an hour > or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the posterior > > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > >> I think he was joking... >> >> E >> >> On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: >> >> > I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" wrote: >> > >> > > I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had >> > > backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, >> > > that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who are >> > > those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my >> > > door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... >> > > >> > > :P >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 >> > > country wrote: >> > >> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly >> > >> looking at >> > >> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never own a >> > >> copy of >> > >> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... >> > >> Just another way m$ is spying on people >> > >> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES >> > >> wrote: >> > >>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report >> > >>> people >> > >>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we >> > >>> should be able >> > >>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on >> > >>> MP3 players, etc. : >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government ? just as >> > >>> k an >> > >>> Indian!" >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> -- >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> SATLUG mailing list >> > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >> > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >>> >> > >> -- >> > >> Ft. Devens >> > >> 138th Avn Co (RR) >> > >> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >> > >> 507th USASAE SPD >> > >> 138th Avn Co (RR) >> > >> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >> > >> -- >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> SATLUG mailing list >> > >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > >> > > -- >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SATLUG mailing list >> > > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Join the Ron Paul Revolution >> http://www.prezronpaul.com >> Ron Paul for President >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- >Ft. Devens > 138th Avn Co (RR) > HHC USASATR Ft Devens > 507th USASAE SPD > 138th Avn Co (RR) > 293rd Avn Co (SA) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From cherylholmes at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 1 20:15:01 2008 From: cherylholmes at sbcglobal.net (CHERYL HOLMES) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:15:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: <20080102015147.4433443EDBF@satlug.org> Message-ID: <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All of those back up copies we make of our CD's are illegal too. I heard or read someplace that M$ has a backdoor into your computers as part of the deal they made with the government to get off easy regarding the lawsuit. We already know about Vista and DRM's. And you should know about the spying operating systems they designed for China. Why wouldn't they be used here. We also know about the phone calls, and emails being monitored especially for key words by the NSA in San Francsco. A number of e CIA have come out on the record about these things. I can see the censorship on the net now days. It's a lot different than it used to be. While the country slept many of our civil rights have been removed and no longer exist. Paranonoia has nothing to do with the trashing of the Constitution. It just takes time to pay attention to what is really happening in the world and don't expect to get the truth from the mainstream media. You guys on this list are brilliant in computers, I wish I was, but my degree is in political science so I naturally pay particular attention to the dirty tricks and weapons of "mass distraction." I don' t think Linux is nearly as vulnerable as M$ deliberately because these engineers know what M$ is up too...Virusta is like a test! c From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:28:53 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:28:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's amazing what we've traded for the false sense of security that we live with. Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary S afety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Attributed to Benjamin Franklin though the original author is unknown. I couldn't agree more. That's why I believe in Ron Paul. Ernest On Jan 1, 2008 6:07 PM, John Chalinder wrote: > Understood. I've talked to a few 'suits' myself. Mostly because of my > implementation of what I perceive to be my 'right to free speech', > supposedly > granted by the Constitution. Of course, most are not aware that, from the > time > the president declared a state of national emergency, the US Constitution > effectively became null and void; being that we are essentially in a state > of > declared war. All it takes right now to totally ignore your Constitutional > rights is for a government official to declare that you are suspected of > being > involved in terrorism. Then they can pretty much do whatever they choose > with > you. Arrest, no lawyer, no communication, no trial; just a one way ticket > to > Gitmo, or some other US camp in a country that is not a signatory to the > Geneva Convention. Not entirely unlike the state Germany was in during the > reign of one Adolph Hitler... It's been dressed up a bit prettier, but > it's > still from the same pig sty... > > Of course; this is an expression of my right to free speech. It is just my > opinion; I could be wrong. > > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:05:10 -0600 > country wrote: > > Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I worked > for > > was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to spend an > hour > > or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the posterior > > > > > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > >> I think he was joking... > >> > >> E > >> > >> On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > >> > >> > I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> > On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" > wrote: > >> > > >> > > I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had > >> > > backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, > >> > > that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who are > >> > > those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my > >> > > door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... > >> > > > >> > > :P > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 > >> > > country wrote: > >> > >> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly > >> > >> looking at > >> > >> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never own a > >> > >> copy of > >> > >> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... > >> > >> Just another way m$ is spying on people > >> > >> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report > >> > >>> people > >> > >>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we > >> > >>> should be able > >> > >>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on > >> > >>> MP3 players, etc. : > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government ? just as > >> > >>> k an > >> > >>> Indian!" > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> -- > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> > >>> SATLUG mailing list > >> > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Ft. Devens > >> > >> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >> > >> HHC USASATR Ft Devens > >> > >> 507th USASAE SPD > >> > >> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >> > >> 293rd Avn Co (SA) > >> > >> -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > SATLUG mailing list > >> > > SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > -- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SATLUG mailing list > >> > SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Join the Ron Paul Revolution > >> http://www.prezronpaul.com > >> Ron Paul for President > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > > > > > > -- > >Ft. Devens > > 138th Avn Co (RR) > > HHC USASATR Ft Devens > > 507th USASAE SPD > > 138th Avn Co (RR) > > 293rd Avn Co (SA) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Join the Ron Paul Revolution http://www.prezronpaul.com Ron Paul for President From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 20:33:37 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:33:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> you would think that if there was a backdoor to Windows that it would be posted all over the net. The ensuing backlash from the public would end up forcing MS to change that "feature". I dont believe it though. --- CHERYL HOLMES wrote: > All of those back up copies we make of our CD's are > illegal too. I heard or read someplace that M$ has > a backdoor into your computers as part of the deal > they made with the government to get off easy > regarding the lawsuit. We already know about Vista > and DRM's. And you should know about the spying > operating systems they designed for China. Why > wouldn't they be used here. We also know about the > phone calls, and emails being monitored especially > for key words by the NSA in San Francsco. A number > of e CIA have come out on the record about these > things. I can see the censorship on the net now > days. It's a lot different than it used to be. > While the country slept many of our civil rights > have been removed and no longer exist. Paranonoia > has nothing to do with the trashing of the > Constitution. It just takes time to pay attention > to what is really happening in the world and don't > expect to get the truth from the mainstream media. > > You guys on this list are brilliant in computers, I > wish I was, but my degree is in political science so > I naturally pay particular attention to the dirty > tricks and weapons of "mass distraction." I don' > t think Linux is nearly as vulnerable as M$ > deliberately because these engineers know what M$ is > up too...Virusta is like a test! c > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From astro at astr0.org Tue Jan 1 20:37:57 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:38:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> Ron Paul is full of shit. He is no different than any other politician. Show me his drafted legislations for all the promises he has made durring his "campaign". Paul is the snowball in this election. He won't win, he has no chance in hell of winning. Seriously, get off the train here people. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:28 PM, "Ernest De Leon" wrote: > It's amazing what we've traded for the false sense of security that > we live > with. > > Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > Temporary S > afety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Attributed to Benjamin > Franklin > though the original author is unknown. > > I couldn't agree more. That's why I believe in Ron Paul. > > Ernest > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:07 PM, John Chalinder wrote: > >> Understood. I've talked to a few 'suits' myself. Mostly because of my >> implementation of what I perceive to be my 'right to free speech', >> supposedly >> granted by the Constitution. Of course, most are not aware that, >> from the >> time >> the president declared a state of national emergency, the US >> Constitution >> effectively became null and void; being that we are essentially in >> a state >> of >> declared war. All it takes right now to totally ignore your >> Constitutional >> rights is for a government official to declare that you are >> suspected of >> being >> involved in terrorism. Then they can pretty much do whatever they >> choose >> with >> you. Arrest, no lawyer, no communication, no trial; just a one way >> ticket >> to >> Gitmo, or some other US camp in a country that is not a signatory >> to the >> Geneva Convention. Not entirely unlike the state Germany was in >> during the >> reign of one Adolph Hitler... It's been dressed up a bit prettier, >> but >> it's >> still from the same pig sty... >> >> Of course; this is an expression of my right to free speech. It is >> just my >> opinion; I could be wrong. >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:05:10 -0600 >> country wrote: >>> Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I >>> worked >> for >>> was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to spend >>> an >> hour >>> or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the posterior >>> >>> >>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: >>> >>>> I think he was joking... >>>> >>>> E >>>> >>>> On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency >>>>>> had >>>>>> backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, >>>>>> that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who >>>>>> are >>>>>> those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing >>>>>> at my >>>>>> door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... >>>>>> >>>>>> :P >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 >>>>>> country wrote: >>>>>>> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly >>>>>>> looking at >>>>>>> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never >>>>>>> own a >>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... >>>>>>> Just another way m$ is spying on people >>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES >>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we >>>>>>>> should be able >>>>>>>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on >>>>>>>> MP3 players, etc. : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government >>>>>>>> ? just as >>>>>>>> k an >>>>>>>> Indian!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ft. Devens >>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>>>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >>>>>>> 507th USASAE SPD >>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>>>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Join the Ron Paul Revolution >>>> http://www.prezronpaul.com >>>> Ron Paul for President >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ft. Devens >>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >>> 507th USASAE SPD >>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > Join the Ron Paul Revolution > http://www.prezronpaul.com > Ron Paul for President > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:38:12 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:38:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree with you 100%. Problem is that we can't see the windows source code. I look at it like this...if I was going to make a bet in Vegas as to which OS definitely has no back door, I would pick the one that I could review the source code versus the one that is a 'black box.' On a side note, does anyone on list remember the old black/beige/brown/etc boxes that were used to 'play with' ma bell? Ernest On Jan 1, 2008 6:33 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > you would think that if there was a backdoor to > Windows that it would be posted all over the net. The > ensuing backlash from the public would end up forcing > MS to change that "feature". I dont believe it > though. > > > --- CHERYL HOLMES wrote: > > > All of those back up copies we make of our CD's are > > illegal too. I heard or read someplace that M$ has > > a backdoor into your computers as part of the deal > > they made with the government to get off easy > > regarding the lawsuit. We already know about Vista > > and DRM's. And you should know about the spying > > operating systems they designed for China. Why > > wouldn't they be used here. We also know about the > > phone calls, and emails being monitored especially > > for key words by the NSA in San Francsco. A number > > of e CIA have come out on the record about these > > things. I can see the censorship on the net now > > days. It's a lot different than it used to be. > > While the country slept many of our civil rights > > have been removed and no longer exist. Paranonoia > > has nothing to do with the trashing of the > > Constitution. It just takes time to pay attention > > to what is really happening in the world and don't > > expect to get the truth from the mainstream media. > > > > You guys on this list are brilliant in computers, I > > wish I was, but my degree is in political science so > > I naturally pay particular attention to the dirty > > tricks and weapons of "mass distraction." I don' > > t think Linux is nearly as vulnerable as M$ > > deliberately because these engineers know what M$ is > > up too...Virusta is like a test! c > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back http://www.prezronpaul.com From astro at astr0.org Tue Jan 1 20:41:16 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:41:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7ED4E871-6A52-40A5-A000-2C3760F75E68@astr0.org> "drm's"? Way too many "conspiracy" theories being discussed. If ms has a backdoor like that, I'm sure the major security experts would be all over this. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > you would think that if there was a backdoor to > Windows that it would be posted all over the net. The > ensuing backlash from the public would end up forcing > MS to change that "feature". I dont believe it > though. > > > --- CHERYL HOLMES wrote: > >> All of those back up copies we make of our CD's are >> illegal too. I heard or read someplace that M$ has >> a backdoor into your computers as part of the deal >> they made with the government to get off easy >> regarding the lawsuit. We already know about Vista >> and DRM's. And you should know about the spying >> operating systems they designed for China. Why >> wouldn't they be used here. We also know about the >> phone calls, and emails being monitored especially >> for key words by the NSA in San Francsco. A number >> of e CIA have come out on the record about these >> things. I can see the censorship on the net now >> days. It's a lot different than it used to be. >> While the country slept many of our civil rights >> have been removed and no longer exist. Paranonoia >> has nothing to do with the trashing of the >> Constitution. It just takes time to pay attention >> to what is really happening in the world and don't >> expect to get the truth from the mainstream media. >> >> You guys on this list are brilliant in computers, I >> wish I was, but my degree is in political science so >> I naturally pay particular attention to the dirty >> tricks and weapons of "mass distraction." I don' >> t think Linux is nearly as vulnerable as M$ >> deliberately because these engineers know what M$ is >> up too...Virusta is like a test! c >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From luis at luisgarza.com Tue Jan 1 20:45:34 2008 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:45:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: References: <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <477AFACE.3090806@luisgarza.com> Ernest De Leon wrote: > I agree with you 100%. Problem is that we can't see the windows source > code. I look at it like this...if I was going to make a bet in Vegas as to > which OS definitely has no back door, I would pick the one that I could > review the source code versus the one that is a 'black box.' > > On a side note, does anyone on list remember the old black/beige/brown/etc > boxes that were used to 'play with' ma bell? > > Ernest > > I remember a time when the original UNIX guys put the back door in the compiler. That way if you tried to remove the back door from the kernel source code, the compiler would add it back in. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:46:25 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:46:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> Message-ID: I would say that someone who has an iPhone is on a train more than a Ron Paul supporter, but hey, to each their own. Fact of the matter is that I support him and apparently you don't. Running around cussing about the matter, however, shows the relative level of maturity (and inferred intelligence.) Perhaps next time a little discretion will preempt your looking like a complete fool. E On Jan 1, 2008 6:37 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > Ron Paul is full of shit. He is no different than any other > politician. Show me his drafted legislations for all the promises he > has made durring his "campaign". > > Paul is the snowball in this election. He won't win, he has no chance > in hell of winning. > > Seriously, get off the train here people. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:28 PM, "Ernest De Leon" > wrote: > > > It's amazing what we've traded for the false sense of security that > > we live > > with. > > > > Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > > Temporary S > > afety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Attributed to Benjamin > > Franklin > > though the original author is unknown. > > > > I couldn't agree more. That's why I believe in Ron Paul. > > > > Ernest > > > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:07 PM, John Chalinder wrote: > > > >> Understood. I've talked to a few 'suits' myself. Mostly because of my > >> implementation of what I perceive to be my 'right to free speech', > >> supposedly > >> granted by the Constitution. Of course, most are not aware that, > >> from the > >> time > >> the president declared a state of national emergency, the US > >> Constitution > >> effectively became null and void; being that we are essentially in > >> a state > >> of > >> declared war. All it takes right now to totally ignore your > >> Constitutional > >> rights is for a government official to declare that you are > >> suspected of > >> being > >> involved in terrorism. Then they can pretty much do whatever they > >> choose > >> with > >> you. Arrest, no lawyer, no communication, no trial; just a one way > >> ticket > >> to > >> Gitmo, or some other US camp in a country that is not a signatory > >> to the > >> Geneva Convention. Not entirely unlike the state Germany was in > >> during the > >> reign of one Adolph Hitler... It's been dressed up a bit prettier, > >> but > >> it's > >> still from the same pig sty... > >> > >> Of course; this is an expression of my right to free speech. It is > >> just my > >> opinion; I could be wrong. > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:05:10 -0600 > >> country wrote: > >>> Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I > >>> worked > >> for > >>> was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to spend > >>> an > >> hour > >>> or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the posterior > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > >>> > >>>> I think he was joking... > >>>> > >>>> E > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency > >>>>>> had > >>>>>> backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, > >>>>>> that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who > >>>>>> are > >>>>>> those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing > >>>>>> at my > >>>>>> door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> :P > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 > >>>>>> country wrote: > >>>>>>> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is constantly > >>>>>>> looking at > >>>>>>> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never > >>>>>>> own a > >>>>>>> copy of > >>>>>>> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... > >>>>>>> Just another way m$ is spying on people > >>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will report > >>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we > >>>>>>>> should be able > >>>>>>>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on > >>>>>>>> MP3 players, etc. : > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government > >>>>>>>> ? just as > >>>>>>>> k an > >>>>>>>> Indian!" > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Ft. Devens > >>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >>>>>>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens > >>>>>>> 507th USASAE SPD > >>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >>>>>>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>>> -- > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Join the Ron Paul Revolution > >>>> http://www.prezronpaul.com > >>>> Ron Paul for President > >>>> -- > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Ft. Devens > >>> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens > >>> 507th USASAE SPD > >>> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) > >>> -- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SATLUG mailing list > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution > > http://www.prezronpaul.com > > Ron Paul for President > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back http://www.prezronpaul.com From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:47:56 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:47:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: <477AFACE.3090806@luisgarza.com> References: <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <477AFACE.3090806@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: I read about that...quite sly if i do say so myself. E On Jan 1, 2008 6:45 PM, Luis Garza wrote: > Ernest De Leon wrote: > > I agree with you 100%. Problem is that we can't see the windows source > > code. I look at it like this...if I was going to make a bet in Vegas as > to > > which OS definitely has no back door, I would pick the one that I could > > review the source code versus the one that is a 'black box.' > > > > On a side note, does anyone on list remember the old > black/beige/brown/etc > > boxes that were used to 'play with' ma bell? > > > > Ernest > > > > > I remember a time when the original UNIX guys put the back door in the > compiler. That way if you tried to remove the back door from the kernel > source code, the compiler would add it back in. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back http://www.prezronpaul.com From astro at astr0.org Tue Jan 1 20:51:06 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:51:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> Message-ID: <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> Aparently the word shit one time in an email constitutes running around "cussing". It also shows my lack of intelligence. Perhaps you should check your intelligence. I believe the word you were looking for is "cursing". I bought an iPhone for its potential, not for it being an apple product. Before you go throwing stones at me, move out of your glass house. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:46 PM, "Ernest De Leon" wrote: > I would say that someone who has an iPhone is on a train more than a > Ron > Paul supporter, but hey, to each their own. Fact of the matter is > that I > support him and apparently you don't. Running around cussing about > the > matter, however, shows the relative level of maturity (and inferred > intelligence.) Perhaps next time a little discretion will preempt > your > looking like a complete fool. > > E > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:37 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > >> Ron Paul is full of shit. He is no different than any other >> politician. Show me his drafted legislations for all the promises he >> has made durring his "campaign". >> >> Paul is the snowball in this election. He won't win, he has no chance >> in hell of winning. >> >> Seriously, get off the train here people. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:28 PM, "Ernest De Leon" >> wrote: >> >>> It's amazing what we've traded for the false sense of security that >>> we live >>> with. >>> >>> Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little >>> Temporary S >>> afety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Attributed to Benjamin >>> Franklin >>> though the original author is unknown. >>> >>> I couldn't agree more. That's why I believe in Ron Paul. >>> >>> Ernest >>> >>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:07 PM, John Chalinder wrote: >>> >>>> Understood. I've talked to a few 'suits' myself. Mostly because >>>> of my >>>> implementation of what I perceive to be my 'right to free speech', >>>> supposedly >>>> granted by the Constitution. Of course, most are not aware that, >>>> from the >>>> time >>>> the president declared a state of national emergency, the US >>>> Constitution >>>> effectively became null and void; being that we are essentially in >>>> a state >>>> of >>>> declared war. All it takes right now to totally ignore your >>>> Constitutional >>>> rights is for a government official to declare that you are >>>> suspected of >>>> being >>>> involved in terrorism. Then they can pretty much do whatever they >>>> choose >>>> with >>>> you. Arrest, no lawyer, no communication, no trial; just a one way >>>> ticket >>>> to >>>> Gitmo, or some other US camp in a country that is not a signatory >>>> to the >>>> Geneva Convention. Not entirely unlike the state Germany was in >>>> during the >>>> reign of one Adolph Hitler... It's been dressed up a bit prettier, >>>> but >>>> it's >>>> still from the same pig sty... >>>> >>>> Of course; this is an expression of my right to free speech. It is >>>> just my >>>> opinion; I could be wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:05:10 -0600 >>>> country wrote: >>>>> Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I >>>>> worked >>>> for >>>>> was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to spend >>>>> an >>>> hour >>>>> or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the >>>>> posterior >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think he was joking... >>>>>> >>>>>> E >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" >>>>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, >>>>>>>> that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing >>>>>>>> at my >>>>>>>> door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :P >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 >>>>>>>> country wrote: >>>>>>>>> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is >>>>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>>>> looking at >>>>>>>>> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never >>>>>>>>> own a >>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... >>>>>>>>> Just another way m$ is spying on people >>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will >>>>>>>>>> report >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we >>>>>>>>>> should be able >>>>>>>>>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on >>>>>>>>>> MP3 players, etc. : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government >>>>>>>>>> ? just as >>>>>>>>>> k an >>>>>>>>>> Indian!" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ft. Devens >>>>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>>>>>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >>>>>>>>> 507th USASAE SPD >>>>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>>>>>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Join the Ron Paul Revolution >>>>>> http://www.prezronpaul.com >>>>>> Ron Paul for President >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ft. Devens >>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >>>>> 507th USASAE SPD >>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Join the Ron Paul Revolution >>> http://www.prezronpaul.com >>> Ron Paul for President >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back > http://www.prezronpaul.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From chmims at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:57:32 2008 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:57:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> Message-ID: <9e4edf580801011857l188666eakf13e91c3b707165d@mail.gmail.com> I think you are all Nazi's and invoke Godwin's rule:-) From luis at luisgarza.com Tue Jan 1 20:57:35 2008 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:57:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <721712.76640.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10801011132g743585cdn6cc7e3fd99fa1587@mail.gmail.com> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> Message-ID: <477AFD9F.8030805@luisgarza.com> I thought Ron Paul was a washed up rock star from the 60's. Didn't OD? You mean he is still around. I thought these guys either OD, choked on a sandwich, or ran for office and then ran or skied into a tree. Brian Lewis wrote: > Aparently the word shit one time in an email constitutes running > around "cussing". It also shows my lack of intelligence. > > Perhaps you should check your intelligence. I believe the word you > were looking for is "cursing". > > I bought an iPhone for its potential, not for it being an apple product. > > Before you go throwing stones at me, move out of your glass house. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:46 PM, "Ernest De Leon" wrote: > >> I would say that someone who has an iPhone is on a train more than a Ron >> Paul supporter, but hey, to each their own. Fact of the matter is >> that I >> support him and apparently you don't. Running around cussing about the >> matter, however, shows the relative level of maturity (and inferred >> intelligence.) Perhaps next time a little discretion will preempt your >> looking like a complete fool. >> From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:58:30 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:58:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> Message-ID: Actually, to cuss is to use profanity, curse or swear. Technically a curse is issued upon another person, persons or object. E On Jan 1, 2008 6:51 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > Aparently the word shit one time in an email constitutes running > around "cussing". It also shows my lack of intelligence. > > Perhaps you should check your intelligence. I believe the word you > were looking for is "cursing". > > I bought an iPhone for its potential, not for it being an apple product. > > Before you go throwing stones at me, move out of your glass house. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:46 PM, "Ernest De Leon" > wrote: > > > I would say that someone who has an iPhone is on a train more than a > > Ron > > Paul supporter, but hey, to each their own. Fact of the matter is > > that I > > support him and apparently you don't. Running around cussing about > > the > > matter, however, shows the relative level of maturity (and inferred > > intelligence.) Perhaps next time a little discretion will preempt > > your > > looking like a complete fool. > > > > E > > > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:37 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > > > >> Ron Paul is full of shit. He is no different than any other > >> politician. Show me his drafted legislations for all the promises he > >> has made durring his "campaign". > >> > >> Paul is the snowball in this election. He won't win, he has no chance > >> in hell of winning. > >> > >> Seriously, get off the train here people. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:28 PM, "Ernest De Leon" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> It's amazing what we've traded for the false sense of security that > >>> we live > >>> with. > >>> > >>> Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > >>> Temporary S > >>> afety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Attributed to Benjamin > >>> Franklin > >>> though the original author is unknown. > >>> > >>> I couldn't agree more. That's why I believe in Ron Paul. > >>> > >>> Ernest > >>> > >>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:07 PM, John Chalinder wrote: > >>> > >>>> Understood. I've talked to a few 'suits' myself. Mostly because > >>>> of my > >>>> implementation of what I perceive to be my 'right to free speech', > >>>> supposedly > >>>> granted by the Constitution. Of course, most are not aware that, > >>>> from the > >>>> time > >>>> the president declared a state of national emergency, the US > >>>> Constitution > >>>> effectively became null and void; being that we are essentially in > >>>> a state > >>>> of > >>>> declared war. All it takes right now to totally ignore your > >>>> Constitutional > >>>> rights is for a government official to declare that you are > >>>> suspected of > >>>> being > >>>> involved in terrorism. Then they can pretty much do whatever they > >>>> choose > >>>> with > >>>> you. Arrest, no lawyer, no communication, no trial; just a one way > >>>> ticket > >>>> to > >>>> Gitmo, or some other US camp in a country that is not a signatory > >>>> to the > >>>> Geneva Convention. Not entirely unlike the state Germany was in > >>>> during the > >>>> reign of one Adolph Hitler... It's been dressed up a bit prettier, > >>>> but > >>>> it's > >>>> still from the same pig sty... > >>>> > >>>> Of course; this is an expression of my right to free speech. It is > >>>> just my > >>>> opinion; I could be wrong. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:05:10 -0600 > >>>> country wrote: > >>>>> Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I > >>>>> worked > >>>> for > >>>>> was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to spend > >>>>> an > >>>> hour > >>>>> or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the > >>>>> posterior > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I think he was joking... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> E > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" > >>>>>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency > >>>>>>>> had > >>>>>>>> backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But, > >>>>>>>> that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! Who > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>> those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing > >>>>>>>> at my > >>>>>>>> door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> :P > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 > >>>>>>>> country wrote: > >>>>>>>>> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is > >>>>>>>>> constantly > >>>>>>>>> looking at > >>>>>>>>> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never > >>>>>>>>> own a > >>>>>>>>> copy of > >>>>>>>>> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... > >>>>>>>>> Just another way m$ is spying on people > >>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES < > cherylholmes@sbcglobal.net > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will > >>>>>>>>>> report > >>>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do think we > >>>>>>>>>> should be able > >>>>>>>>>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on > >>>>>>>>>> MP3 players, etc. : > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government > >>>>>>>>>> ? just as > >>>>>>>>>> k an > >>>>>>>>>> Indian!" > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > >>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe > >>>>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Ft. 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Devens > >>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >>>>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens > >>>>> 507th USASAE SPD > >>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) > >>>>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) > >>>>> -- > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Join the Ron Paul Revolution > >>> http://www.prezronpaul.com > >>> Ron Paul for President > >>> -- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SATLUG mailing list > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety > > deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment > > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back > > http://www.prezronpaul.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back http://www.prezronpaul.com From satlugacct at jchampion.com Tue Jan 1 20:59:59 2008 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John C) Date: Tue Jan 1 21:00:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: References: <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <477AFE2F.8040808@jchampion.com> two things here: 1) the entertainment industry is simply trying to mirror the software industry. the software industry was successful in getting congress to come up with these hokey laws that say that every computer in a household must have a different paid license. well...the entertainment industry is trying to do the same thing. they want you to purchase one copy for your home stereo, one copy for your car, one copy for your wife's car, one copy for your mp3 player, one copy for your pc, etc... you see...there was a built-in secondary profit before digital copies became so readily available. how many times did you used to buy a copy of a cassette, play it in your car, have it stolen, or ruined and then walked back into the store to buy another copy? this is what has hurt the industry. people are buying and copying their own purchases and the industry is losing out on these secondary purchases. i know this isn't the whole story behind it but it explains some of the motivation i'm sure. 2) there was an article on wired magazine a couple of months ago regarding a backdoor that was discovered in the ISO encryption standard being pushed by the NSA. you can read it here: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2007/11/securitymatters_1115 if you use adobe cs products for web development, there is a backdoor that is routing traffic to 2o7.net (Omniture). it is believed that this how adobe is tracking product use. you can read the slashdot story here: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/29/2120202&from=rss in short...always on broadband connections are what the software industry has long pushed for. some of you may recall that microsoft was one of the first investors road runner. and if you go all the way back to win95, there have been technically literates who have caught windows products phoning home. real products phone home. in fact, almost all windows products phone home as companies try to figure out how to create secondary revenue streams. they can sell your data to marketers and profit. are they doing this? i have no idea but it does sound plausible...and no tin foil hats were harmed in the constructions of this reply :) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 21:00:37 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 1 21:00:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <477AFD9F.8030805@luisgarza.com> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> <477AFD9F.8030805@luisgarza.com> Message-ID: Was there a rockstar from the 60s named Ron Paul? I had no idea. I wasn't alive then, but that's pretty funny if it's true. E On Jan 1, 2008 6:57 PM, Luis Garza wrote: > I thought Ron Paul was a washed up rock star from the 60's. Didn't OD? > You mean he is still around. > > I thought these guys either OD, choked on a sandwich, or ran for office > and then ran or skied into a tree. > > > > > Brian Lewis wrote: > > Aparently the word shit one time in an email constitutes running > > around "cussing". It also shows my lack of intelligence. > > > > Perhaps you should check your intelligence. I believe the word you > > were looking for is "cursing". > > > > I bought an iPhone for its potential, not for it being an apple product. > > > > Before you go throwing stones at me, move out of your glass house. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:46 PM, "Ernest De Leon" > wrote: > > > >> I would say that someone who has an iPhone is on a train more than a > Ron > >> Paul supporter, but hey, to each their own. Fact of the matter is > >> that I > >> support him and apparently you don't. Running around cussing about the > >> matter, however, shows the relative level of maturity (and inferred > >> intelligence.) Perhaps next time a little discretion will preempt your > >> looking like a complete fool. > >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back http://www.prezronpaul.com From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 21:01:06 2008 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Tue Jan 1 21:01:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: References: <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <389485.95900.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10801011901s5fbdef56p9eb238a77f2b603b@mail.gmail.com> I taught a heckuva lot of you those boxes, hahahaha... good ole 3B2's hahahahahah On Jan 1, 2008 8:38 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I agree with you 100%. Problem is that we can't see the windows source > code. I look at it like this...if I was going to make a bet in Vegas as > to > which OS definitely has no back door, I would pick the one that I could > review the source code versus the one that is a 'black box.' > > On a side note, does anyone on list remember the old black/beige/brown/etc > boxes that were used to 'play with' ma bell? > > Ernest > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:33 PM, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > you would think that if there was a backdoor to > > Windows that it would be posted all over the net. The > > ensuing backlash from the public would end up forcing > > MS to change that "feature". I dont believe it > > though. > > > > > > --- CHERYL HOLMES wrote: > > > > > All of those back up copies we make of our CD's are > > > illegal too. I heard or read someplace that M$ has > > > a backdoor into your computers as part of the deal > > > they made with the government to get off easy > > > regarding the lawsuit. We already know about Vista > > > and DRM's. And you should know about the spying > > > operating systems they designed for China. Why > > > wouldn't they be used here. We also know about the > > > phone calls, and emails being monitored especially > > > for key words by the NSA in San Francsco. A number > > > of e CIA have come out on the record about these > > > things. I can see the censorship on the net now > > > days. It's a lot different than it used to be. > > > While the country slept many of our civil rights > > > have been removed and no longer exist. Paranonoia > > > has nothing to do with the trashing of the > > > Constitution. It just takes time to pay attention > > > to what is really happening in the world and don't > > > expect to get the truth from the mainstream media. > > > > > > You guys on this list are brilliant in computers, I > > > wish I was, but my degree is in political science so > > > I naturally pay particular attention to the dirty > > > tricks and weapons of "mass distraction." I don' > > > t think Linux is nearly as vulnerable as M$ > > > deliberately because these engineers know what M$ is > > > up too...Virusta is like a test! c > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > > unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back > http://www.prezronpaul.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From astro at astr0.org Tue Jan 1 21:01:18 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Tue Jan 1 21:01:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> Message-ID: <299F6BCB-9EF0-4D23-B691-77864E1E942E@astr0.org> Its all about the context. I welcome you to take an English 101 class at sac. They may teach you a thing or two about grammar and proper woes movement. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:58 PM, "Ernest De Leon" wrote: > Actually, to cuss is to use profanity, curse or swear. Technically > a curse > is issued upon another person, persons or object. > > E > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:51 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > >> Aparently the word shit one time in an email constitutes running >> around "cussing". It also shows my lack of intelligence. >> >> Perhaps you should check your intelligence. I believe the word you >> were looking for is "cursing". >> >> I bought an iPhone for its potential, not for it being an apple >> product. >> >> Before you go throwing stones at me, move out of your glass house. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:46 PM, "Ernest De Leon" >> wrote: >> >>> I would say that someone who has an iPhone is on a train more than a >>> Ron >>> Paul supporter, but hey, to each their own. Fact of the matter is >>> that I >>> support him and apparently you don't. Running around cussing about >>> the >>> matter, however, shows the relative level of maturity (and inferred >>> intelligence.) Perhaps next time a little discretion will preempt >>> your >>> looking like a complete fool. >>> >>> E >>> >>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:37 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: >>> >>>> Ron Paul is full of shit. He is no different than any other >>>> politician. Show me his drafted legislations for all the promises >>>> he >>>> has made durring his "campaign". >>>> >>>> Paul is the snowball in this election. He won't win, he has no >>>> chance >>>> in hell of winning. >>>> >>>> Seriously, get off the train here people. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:28 PM, "Ernest De Leon" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's amazing what we've traded for the false sense of security >>>>> that >>>>> we live >>>>> with. >>>>> >>>>> Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little >>>>> Temporary S >>>>> afety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Attributed to >>>>> Benjamin >>>>> Franklin >>>>> though the original author is unknown. >>>>> >>>>> I couldn't agree more. That's why I believe in Ron Paul. >>>>> >>>>> Ernest >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:07 PM, John Chalinder wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Understood. I've talked to a few 'suits' myself. Mostly because >>>>>> of my >>>>>> implementation of what I perceive to be my 'right to free >>>>>> speech', >>>>>> supposedly >>>>>> granted by the Constitution. Of course, most are not aware that, >>>>>> from the >>>>>> time >>>>>> the president declared a state of national emergency, the US >>>>>> Constitution >>>>>> effectively became null and void; being that we are essentially >>>>>> in >>>>>> a state >>>>>> of >>>>>> declared war. All it takes right now to totally ignore your >>>>>> Constitutional >>>>>> rights is for a government official to declare that you are >>>>>> suspected of >>>>>> being >>>>>> involved in terrorism. Then they can pretty much do whatever they >>>>>> choose >>>>>> with >>>>>> you. Arrest, no lawyer, no communication, no trial; just a one >>>>>> way >>>>>> ticket >>>>>> to >>>>>> Gitmo, or some other US camp in a country that is not a signatory >>>>>> to the >>>>>> Geneva Convention. Not entirely unlike the state Germany was in >>>>>> during the >>>>>> reign of one Adolph Hitler... It's been dressed up a bit >>>>>> prettier, >>>>>> but >>>>>> it's >>>>>> still from the same pig sty... >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course; this is an expression of my right to free speech. It >>>>>> is >>>>>> just my >>>>>> opinion; I could be wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:05:10 -0600 >>>>>> country wrote: >>>>>>> Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I >>>>>>> worked >>>>>> for >>>>>>> was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to >>>>>>> spend >>>>>>> an >>>>>> hour >>>>>>> or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the >>>>>>> posterior >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think he was joking... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> E >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter >>>>>>>>>> agency >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. >>>>>>>>>> But, >>>>>>>>>> that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! >>>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing >>>>>>>>>> at my >>>>>>>>>> door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :P >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 >>>>>>>>>> country wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is >>>>>>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>>>>>> looking at >>>>>>>>>>> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never >>>>>>>>>>> own a >>>>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>>>> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... >>>>>>>>>>> Just another way m$ is spying on people >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES < >> cherylholmes@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will >>>>>>>>>>>> report >>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do >>>>>>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>>>>>> should be able >>>>>>>>>>>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on >>>>>>>>>>>> MP3 players, etc. : >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bumper sticker, "Sure you can trust the government >>>>>>>>>>>> ? just as >>>>>>>>>>>> k an >>>>>>>>>>>> Indian!" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Ft. Devens >>>>>>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>>>>>>>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >>>>>>>>>>> 507th USASAE SPD >>>>>>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>>>>>>>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Join the Ron Paul Revolution >>>>>>>> http://www.prezronpaul.com >>>>>>>> Ron Paul for President >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ft. Devens >>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>>>> HHC USASATR Ft Devens >>>>>>> 507th USASAE SPD >>>>>>> 138th Avn Co (RR) >>>>>>> 293rd Avn Co (SA) >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Join the Ron Paul Revolution >>>>> http://www.prezronpaul.com >>>>> Ron Paul for President >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >>> safety >>> deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century >>> sentiment >>> voiced by Benjamin Franklin >>> >>> Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back >>> http://www.prezronpaul.com >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > Join the Ron Paul Revolution - Taking America Back > http://www.prezronpaul.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 21:02:38 2008 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Tue Jan 1 21:02:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080102015147.4433443EDBF@satlug.org> <903850.87416.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10801011902x2d87a6a3pac24666d0d88ac59@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I taught systems to 'our' guys all over the world, and many times when coming back into the States I had to spend a couple hours talkin to the Suits.. Course could be what I did in the Army.. hmmmmmm ASA keep tellin them it was American Sunbathers Assn hahahahah On Jan 1, 2008 8:15 PM, CHERYL HOLMES wrote: > All of those back up copies we make of our CD's are illegal too. I heard > or read someplace that M$ has a backdoor into your computers as part of the > deal they made with the government to get off easy regarding the lawsuit. > We already know about Vista and DRM's. And you should know about the > spying operating systems they designed for China. Why wouldn't they be used > here. We also know about the phone calls, and emails being monitored > especially for key words by the NSA in San Francsco. A number of e CIA have > come out on the record about these things. I can see the censorship on the > net now days. It's a lot different than it used to be. While the country > slept many of our civil rights have been removed and no longer exist. > Paranonoia has nothing to do with the trashing of the Constitution. It > just takes time to pay attention to what is really happening in the world > and don't expect to get the truth from the mainstream media. > > You guys on this list are brilliant in computers, I wish I was, but my > degree is in political science so I naturally pay particular attention to > the dirty tricks and weapons of "mass distraction." I don' > t think Linux is nearly as vulnerable as M$ deliberately because these > engineers know what M$ is up too...Virusta is like a test! c > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Devens 138th Avn Co (RR) HHC USASATR Ft Devens 507th USASAE SPD 138th Avn Co (RR) 293rd Avn Co (SA) From luis at luisgarza.com Tue Jan 1 21:06:12 2008 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Tue Jan 1 21:06:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <299F6BCB-9EF0-4D23-B691-77864E1E942E@astr0.org> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <80194BA0-EDD2-44D7-9F56-EEEE1CF11013@astr0.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> <299F6BCB-9EF0-4D23-B691-77864E1E942E@astr0.org> Message-ID: <477AFFA4.7010301@luisgarza.com> Brian Lewis wrote: > Its all about the context. I welcome you to take an English 101 class > at sac. They may teach you a thing or two about grammar and proper > woes movement. > > Sent from my iPhone > And the flame war will begin in 5 .... 4 .... 3 .... 2 .... 1 ) ( ( ( ) ( )) ( )// _ ) )) __ ,-----' | (( <'__`) ________________ | // : | ) #o)#: )) ,' `. | // : | )/ \###' ____/ Maybe it's best \ | // : | ,###. `-._ to stay out of this, | `-----._| __ ####### \ though! / _/___\_ //)_`// | ||] `.________________,' _____[_______]_[~~-_ (.L_/ || [____________________]' `\_,/'/ ||| / ||| ,___,'./ ||| \ |||,'______| ||| / /|| I==|| ||| \ __/_|| __||__ -----||-/------`-._/||-o--o---o--- ~~~~~' From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 21:06:52 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Jan 1 21:06:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] man arrested for copying own CD's In-Reply-To: <477AFE2F.8040808@jchampion.com> Message-ID: <33132.49102.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> yea but thats not a backdoor that MS put in Windows. --- John C wrote: > two things here: > > 1) the entertainment industry is simply trying to > mirror the software > industry. the software industry was successful in > getting congress to > come up with these hokey laws that say that every > computer in a > household must have a different paid license. > well...the entertainment > industry is trying to do the same thing. they want > you to purchase one > copy for your home stereo, one copy for your car, > one copy for your > wife's car, one copy for your mp3 player, one copy > for your pc, etc... > > you see...there was a built-in secondary profit > before digital copies > became so readily available. how many times did you > used to buy a copy > of a cassette, play it in your car, have it stolen, > or ruined and then > walked back into the store to buy another copy? this > is what has hurt > the industry. people are buying and copying their > own purchases and the > industry is losing out on these secondary purchases. > > i know this isn't the whole story behind it but it > explains some of the > motivation i'm sure. > > 2) there was an article on wired magazine a couple > of months ago > regarding a backdoor that was discovered in the ISO > encryption standard > being pushed by the NSA. you can read it here: > > http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2007/11/securitymatters_1115 > > if you use adobe cs products for web development, > there is a backdoor > that is routing traffic to 2o7.net (Omniture). it is > believed that this > how adobe is tracking product use. you can read the > slashdot story here: > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/29/2120202&from=rss > > in short...always on broadband connections are what > the software > industry has long pushed for. some of you may recall > that microsoft was > one of the first investors road runner. and if you > go all the way back > to win95, there have been technically literates who > have caught windows > products phoning home. > > real products phone home. in fact, almost all > windows products phone > home as companies try to figure out how to create > secondary revenue > streams. they can sell your data to marketers and > profit. > > are they doing this? i have no idea but it does > sound plausible...and no > tin foil hats were harmed in the constructions of > this reply :) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 21:09:53 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 1 21:09:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's In-Reply-To: <299F6BCB-9EF0-4D23-B691-77864E1E942E@astr0.org> References: <20080101152858.D085643EE1B@satlug.org> <294cd3d10801011705u31bcf86dl568f1f400ee2ab0f@mail.gmail.com> <4E20D0ED-9F4D-4D33-A574-28C4422E6B86@astr0.org> <9F0FEE5C-6F74-44FC-A19E-72757B0904C0@astr0.org> <299F6BCB-9EF0-4D23-B691-77864E1E942E@astr0.org> Message-ID: Context has nothing to to with basic grammar. Stop trying to dance around the bull. You've been fingered and it's done. Keep playing with your iPhone and maybe things will get better...maybe. E On Jan 1, 2008 7:01 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > Its all about the context. I welcome you to take an English 101 class > at sac. They may teach you a thing or two about grammar and proper > woes movement. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:58 PM, "Ernest De Leon" > wrote: > > > Actually, to cuss is to use profanity, curse or swear. Technically > > a curse > > is issued upon another person, persons or object. > > > > E > > > > On Jan 1, 2008 6:51 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > > > >> Aparently the word shit one time in an email constitutes running > >> around "cussing". It also shows my lack of intelligence. > >> > >> Perhaps you should check your intelligence. I believe the word you > >> were looking for is "cursing". > >> > >> I bought an iPhone for its potential, not for it being an apple > >> product. > >> > >> Before you go throwing stones at me, move out of your glass house. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:46 PM, "Ernest De Leon" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I would say that someone who has an iPhone is on a train more than a > >>> Ron > >>> Paul supporter, but hey, to each their own. Fact of the matter is > >>> that I > >>> support him and apparently you don't. Running around cussing about > >>> the > >>> matter, however, shows the relative level of maturity (and inferred > >>> intelligence.) Perhaps next time a little discretion will preempt > >>> your > >>> looking like a complete fool. > >>> > >>> E > >>> > >>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:37 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ron Paul is full of shit. He is no different than any other > >>>> politician. Show me his drafted legislations for all the promises > >>>> he > >>>> has made durring his "campaign". > >>>> > >>>> Paul is the snowball in this election. He won't win, he has no > >>>> chance > >>>> in hell of winning. > >>>> > >>>> Seriously, get off the train here people. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:28 PM, "Ernest De Leon" > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> It's amazing what we've traded for the false sense of security > >>>>> that > >>>>> we live > >>>>> with. > >>>>> > >>>>> Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > >>>>> Temporary S > >>>>> afety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Attributed to > >>>>> Benjamin > >>>>> Franklin > >>>>> though the original author is unknown. > >>>>> > >>>>> I couldn't agree more. That's why I believe in Ron Paul. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ernest > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:07 PM, John Chalinder wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Understood. I've talked to a few 'suits' myself. Mostly because > >>>>>> of my > >>>>>> implementation of what I perceive to be my 'right to free > >>>>>> speech', > >>>>>> supposedly > >>>>>> granted by the Constitution. Of course, most are not aware that, > >>>>>> from the > >>>>>> time > >>>>>> the president declared a state of national emergency, the US > >>>>>> Constitution > >>>>>> effectively became null and void; being that we are essentially > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> a state > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> declared war. All it takes right now to totally ignore your > >>>>>> Constitutional > >>>>>> rights is for a government official to declare that you are > >>>>>> suspected of > >>>>>> being > >>>>>> involved in terrorism. Then they can pretty much do whatever they > >>>>>> choose > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> you. Arrest, no lawyer, no communication, no trial; just a one > >>>>>> way > >>>>>> ticket > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> Gitmo, or some other US camp in a country that is not a signatory > >>>>>> to the > >>>>>> Geneva Convention. Not entirely unlike the state Germany was in > >>>>>> during the > >>>>>> reign of one Adolph Hitler... It's been dressed up a bit > >>>>>> prettier, > >>>>>> but > >>>>>> it's > >>>>>> still from the same pig sty... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Of course; this is an expression of my right to free speech. It > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> just my > >>>>>> opinion; I could be wrong. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:05:10 -0600 > >>>>>> country wrote: > >>>>>>> Welll joking or not, reason I quit traveling for one company I > >>>>>>> worked > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>> was that everytime I came back from some countries, I got to > >>>>>>> spend > >>>>>>> an > >>>>>> hour > >>>>>>> or two talkin to suits.. really got to be a pain in the > >>>>>>> posterior > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 6:34 PM, Ernest De Leon > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think he was joking... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> E > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 4:31 PM, Brian Lewis wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter > >>>>>>>>>> agency > >>>>>>>>>> had > >>>>>>>>>> backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. > >>>>>>>>>> But, > >>>>>>>>>> that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.... Wait! > >>>>>>>>>> Who > >>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing > >>>>>>>>>> at my > >>>>>>>>>> door?!!! Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away.... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> :P > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:32:23 -0600 > >>>>>>>>>> country wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> vista has a whole lot of 'call home' functions, it is > >>>>>>>>>>> constantly > >>>>>>>>>>> looking at > >>>>>>>>>>> your system and reporting back to microsloth, I would never > >>>>>>>>>>> own a > >>>>>>>>>>> copy of > >>>>>>>>>>> that, or if I did, would change th os as soon as possible... > >>>>>>>>>>> Just another way m$ is spying on people > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2008 1:25 PM, CHERYL HOLMES < > >> cherylholmes@sbcglobal.net > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> I understand Vista has something built into it that will > >>>>>>>>>>>> report > >>>>>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>>>> copying CD's. I wondered if all the OS's do. I do > >>>>>>>>>>>> think we > >>>>>>>>>>>> should be able > >>>>>>>>>>>> to copy our own CD's for backup or for use on > >>