[SATLUG] Man arrested for copying CD's

John Chalinder argiod at bresnan.net
Tue Jan 1 19:51:40 CST 2008

Well, that may be true about the tin foil hat. But, before you call me 
paranoid, tell me again why you are using Ubuntu instead of Microslop? Also, 
consider the following:

I see a lot of talk here regarding back doors in MS's OS. And, while I don't 
think it's economically feasible to keep track of every computer in the 
country/world, it still would not surprise me to find out that somebody has 
figured out a way to hook up enough Cray supercomputers with the software to 
do so. And the exorbitant cost is not an issue; it would simply be taken from 
black ops money, and none would be the wiser.

I remember a few years ago hearing about the Echelon program that listened to 
international (and post 9/11, domestic) phone calls and at detecting certain 
'key words' would record the conversation for later analysis by the NSA. So, 
yes, I'll keep that tin foil hat, and my survival gear handy.

You may recognize this quote from the Lutheran anti-Nazi activist, who formed 
a resistance movement and was then arrested and spent years in prison for his 

“First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was 
not a socialist.
"Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was 
not a trade unionist.
"Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. 
"Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.”

I've found an updated paraphrase of this:

They came for the Muslims, and I Didn't Speak Up
January 4, 2003.

By Stephen Rohde
Forum Column (from the Daily Journal)
(Author's Note: The USA Patriot Act became law a little over one year ago.)
(Editor's Note: This New Year let us remember freedom in America as it was and 
think about what the loss of that freedom means to us all. We, each and 
everyone of us, have a duty to America to speak up whenever and where ever our 
Freedom is taken or diminished.)

"First they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a 

"Then they came for the immigrants, detaining them indefinitely solely on the 
certification of the attorney general, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't 
an immigrant.

"Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their attorneys, and 
I didn't speak up because I wasn't a suspect.

"Then they came to prosecute non citizens before secret military commissions, 
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a non-citizen

"Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced, sneak and peak 
searches, and I didn't speak up because I had nothing to hide.

"Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration and 
surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, and I didn't speak up 
because I no longer participated in any groups.

"Then they came to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without 
any charges and without access to lawyers, and I didn't speak up because I 
would never be arrested.

"Then they came to institute TIPS Terrorism Information and Prevention System 
recruiting citizens to spy on other citizens and I didn't speak up because I 
was afraid.

"Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy because it only 
aided the terrorists and gave ammunition to America's enemies, and I didn't 
speak up because I didn't speak up.

"Then they came for me, and by that time, no one was left to speak up."

So, where is the line between paranoia and valid concern?

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:31:16 -0600
  Brian Lewis <astro at astr0.org> wrote:
> I think someone needs to put their tin foil hat back on.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "John Chalinder" <argiod at bresnan.net> wrote:
>> I would not be the least surprised if some three letter agency had  
>> backdoors into ALL computer systems, regardless of the OS. But,  
>> that's just my opinion; I could be wrong....          Wait! Who are  
>> those men in expensive gray suits and shiny black shoes doing at my  
>> door?!!!       Oh No!!! They're coming to take me away....
>> :P

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