[SATLUG] OFF TOPIC: "Say No to Photo-ID" for Cred Card purchases...

Alan Lesmerises alesmerises at satx.rr.com
Thu Jan 31 23:21:42 CST 2008

The store clerk may not be able to identify a forged signature, but will 
they be able to identify a forged ID card any better?  When I worked in 
retail (many moons ago), I don't know that I would have, unless it was a 
REALLY crappy fake.

David Kowis wrote:
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> Tom Weeks wrote:
>> Sorry for the off topic post.. But I don't know how many times now I've 
>> been "required" to show a photo ID when using my CC.. but I'm really getting 
>> sick of it.  Your self validating signature (in person and on back of the 
>> card) is all that is required legally by both Visa and Master Card* 
>> Has anyone else had problems bucking this?
>> To have my civil liberty of self validation stolen by the state government and 
>> local vendors is simply not something that I'm willing to give up...
>> Tweeks
>> * See Visa and MC rules around this both referenced here 
>> http://www.wlindley.com/archives/28 
> I'm not sure it's such a bad thing. It's just a second form of verifying
> that your Credit card really is your credit card. It's not like they're
> logging it or taking anything down. They're just using a second form of
> identification. I think it's fully within the rights of the company to
> impose further restrictions on how they do business. Just like the right
> to carry weaponry. If you're carrying and the company asks you to leave,
> you must comply.
> I don't think this is a violation of civil liberties in any way...
> They're simply trying to protect themselves and you by not relying on an
> easily forge able signature. Besides that, they'd have to be good at
> comparing signatures. I don't know about you, but my signature varies
> pretty well. It would probably take a trained eye to notice the right
> parts. Your average schmo running the cash register isn't going to be
> able to do so. However, if you were to show them your drivers license,
> which are easily recognizable. They can easily match the name on the
> card with the name on the DL and you with the picture.
> - --
> David Kowis
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