[SATLUG] Re: Download Caps

Ernest De Leon edeleonjr at gmail.com
Thu Jun 5 16:54:48 CDT 2008

There are two ways...either enough people vote with their wallet and go over
to AT&T (which I am not even sure is much better) or they band together and
file a class action lawsuit based on damages as a result of deceptive trade

Here is an informational piece on the Texas DTPA:

I would say that this falls under ** ANY FALSE, MISLEADING OR DECEPTIVE ACT

*Even then, I think several of those sub-points would be considered valid.
IANAL, so I cannot really dole out legal advice, but I would think that TWC
(and many other providers) are in violation of this.  I think the fact of
the matter here is that people do not know the behind-the-scenes details of
upstream bandwidth costs, nor would they understand them if they did know
about them.  If you polled the average user, they would probably think that
they have purchased unlimited bandwidth to use as they please.  If in fact
the average user believes this, then TWC has obviously misled them
(intentionally or not), and there should be some sort of recourse.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Daniel Villarreal <dvprogs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fine and well, but how does one get this giant company to "back their play"
> ?
> I remember a team meeting one time, when they had some bigwigs in... one
> lady from a different dept. starting asking questions and one of the bigwigs
> started getting nervous and asked her to talk to him
> in private... you could see a few ppl smiling at that.
> People would call in and want to talk to a supervisor, and basically, the
> customer was dealt with. There's a difference between listening to a
> customer and trying to give the illusion of trying to listen to said
> customer. People aren't stupid ^M^M^M, I mean the users aren't stupid.
> ^M^M^M Al is going to laugh when he sees this.^M^M^M.
> I really tried to help the business customers, they pay the big bucks, and
> we had this procedure.
> Dealing with companies AT&T and Broadwing from a corporate account for
> another communications company was way different... in the NOC we'd have a
> fibre cut and I had access to network engineers right on the spot... we'd
> get an ISP rep assigned to us and hourly reports, that was nice (the
> service, not the cut!).
> So you're in S.F. and I'm in Ontario. No, not Ontario, CA, Ontario, CA, the
> other one.
> Damm, been too long, need tacos...
> Later,
> Daniel
> >
> From: "Ernest De Leon" <edeleonjr at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ...OT-Download Cap
> I see this is the cable companies making their bed and being forced to lie
> in it.  What it comes down to is this: they over sold and under delivered
> because at the time, they could get away with it.  Now that people are
> actually using what they technically paid for, the cable companies are in a
> pinch and trying to find a way out.  I could care less what it costs them
> to
> buy upstream bandwidth, they promoted these broadband packages that they
> KNEW they couldn't back.  Tough shit.  Now you either back your play or go
> out of business.
> >

Ernest de Leon

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