[SATLUG] Re: Linux OS as basis for Network Management

Wayne Walker wwalker at bybent.com
Sat Jun 7 12:36:01 CDT 2008


Two biggest tools in this space in FOSS are

Nagios

OpenNMS

Sounds liek you are looking for OpenNMS.  It is a PAIN to set up.
to evaluate it, don't go through the nightmarish install, instead setup
a VMware virtual host from the already built and installed version  liek
described at http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/enterprise/2007/107062903.asp

Wayne

On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 08:01:22AM -0500, K. Reginald Buckner wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> Can someone enlightnen me?  Can Linux OS be used in a network manangement
> since?
> For example can you use it like for HP Openview or Cisco Works? Or is there
> an equal open source program that can monitor things like routers, switches,
> leased circuits, bandwidth, etc?
> 
> I am trying to understand the conversation about caching too. Please help?
> 
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:07 PM, <satlug-request at satlug.org> wrote:
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> >   1. Re: OpenDNS... (Brad Knowles)
> >   2. Re: sudo (Was Re: [SATLUG] OpenDNS) (Brad Knowles)
> >   3. Re: OT-Time Warner Download Cap (Brad Knowles)
> >   4. automatix2 troubles (mike)
> >   5. Re: automatix2 troubles (Todd W. Bucy)
> >   6. Re: automatix2 troubles (Todd W. Bucy)
> >   7. Re: automatix2 troubles (mike)
> >   8. Re: automatix2 troubles (pixelnate at gmail.com)
> >   9. Re: automatix2 troubles (Todd W. Bucy)
> >  10. Re: automatix2 troubles (pixelnate at gmail.com)
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:38:23 -0500
> > From: Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OpenDNS...
> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <4849D87F.3080506 at shub-internet.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Don Crowder wrote:
> >
> > > I submit that Verizon is trying to feed me sponsored links on URL errors
> > > but, as annoying as it is, I don't have to click on any of them.  I can
> > > (and do) merely hit my back button and try again.  Am I correct in
> > > assuming that you feel this minor annoyance is preferable to trusting
> > > OpenDNS?
> >
> > They are both problems, because they use the same technology to achieve the
> > same goals in pretty much the same way, and both are vulnerable to the same
> > kinds of DNS cache poisoning and spear phishing attacks.
> >
> > Between those two providers, I'm not sure it makes that much difference.
> >
> >
> > This is why I think you should run your own local caching nameserver (which
> > you secure against use and abuse by external parties), at which point
> > you're
> > pretty much immune to anything the attackers may try to do to customers
> > using nameservers from either Verizon or OpenDNS.
> >
> > --
> > Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
> > LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:42:23 -0500
> > From: Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
> > Subject: Re: sudo (Was Re: [SATLUG] OpenDNS)
> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <4849D96F.7040603 at shub-internet.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Don Crowder wrote:
> >
> > > I don't want to contribute to the hair splitting but "sudo" is, on my
> > > system, a package which I can install/uninstall via apt-get or Synaptic.
> > >  "Su" isn't a package but is, rather, a CLI command.
> >
> > But sudo is a CLI program too.  That is, unless someone has created another
> > program that provides the same functionality and used the same name, but
> > also given it a GUI.  In which case, they should call it gsudo, or some
> > other name to distinguish it from the original CLI-only version.
> >
> > Moreover, all this means is that your vendor did not choose to incorporate
> > sudo into the base OS package, but instead allows you to install it as an
> > optional extra package.  Other vendors include sudo as part of the base OS,
> > and don't give you that option.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, I guess what it boils down to is that you shouldn't make
> > assumptions
> > on what other people have on their platforms based on what you have on your
> > platform, and so long as the functionality is the same, it doesn't really
> > matter if there is a hair-splitting difference between "command" and
> > "application".
> >
> > And I'm still not convinced there is actually a hair-splitting difference
> > between these two types of programs, but that's a different argument.
> >
> > --
> > Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
> > LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:56:02 -0500
> > From: Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT-Time Warner Download Cap
> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <4849DCA2.3070406 at shub-internet.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > Mark Spieth wrote:
> >
> > > Now if you think that "Partnering" is going to make up for that, you are
> > > sadly mistaken. What exactly are you going to cache to make up for that
> > > much of an offset in bandwidth? Do we cache Youtube, and the pirated
> > > movie sites, streaming barnyard animal porn, all the Linux distros,
> > > Microsoft updates?? I mean come on; we are talking about Petabytes of
> > > data here.
> >
> > Actually, all it takes is partnering with a few of the existing content
> > delivery networks, and then setting up proxy caches that should handle most
> > of the rest.
> >
> >
> > We did this when I was working at Belgacom Skynet by partnering with
> > Akamai.
> >  Overnight, we started delivering 8MBps pretty consistently to the other
> > Belgian ISPs because we had the first Akamai servers in the country, and
> > now
> > they were taking this content in via their hugely expensive in-country WAN
> > connections instead of their much cheaper international WAN connections.
> >
> > Our bills went way down, because we were owned by the former PTT and
> > incumbent telco, so our in-country bandwidth was relatively cheap, and our
> > international bandwidth was expensive by comparison.  We reduced our
> > bandwidth costs by quite a bit, just with that one partnership.
> >
> > Akamai is not the only CDN, but they are the biggest, and it doesn't take
> > too many parnterships like this to shave off a huge chunk of the WAN
> > bandwidth cost.
> >
> >
> > Proxy caching for P2P applications is already proven to get you way, way
> > better than that.  Look at the P4P partnerships that Comcast is working on.
> >
> >
> > The proof that these techniques already exists, in the form of all the
> > existing success stories out there for people who have already partnered
> > with the CDNs, the P4P work, and the business relationships that
> > bittorrent.com is working on.
> >
> > You don't even have to look that hard.
> >
> > --
> > Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
> > LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:37:15 -0700
> > From: mike <wn5pmr at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [SATLUG] automatix2 troubles
> > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <4849E64B.8030208 at gmail.com>
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> >
> > Over the course of today I have tried a number of times to access
> > automatix2. Each time as it attempts to load it ends by aborting. I get
> > an error box saying that there is an "Internet Disruption" ?
> > Is this another way of saying that automatix2 is currently off line ? I
> > heard that there was some sort of "strange" unexplained service problem
> > with parts of amazon.com and are these eventts possibly related.
> >
> > Thanks Mike WN5PMR
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:47:46 -0500
> > From: "Todd W. Bucy" <toddwbucy at grandecom.net>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] automatix2 troubles
> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <1212803266.19255.8.camel at toddwbucy-laptop>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > automatix2 has been defunct for the last 4 or 5 months.  apparently the
> > developers had to spend more time paying their bills.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:49:49 -0500
> > From: "Todd W. Bucy" <toddwbucy at grandecom.net>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] automatix2 troubles
> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <1212803389.19255.10.camel at toddwbucy-laptop>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > sorry forgot to source my comments:
> >
> > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Automatix-Is-Dead-82105.shtml
> >
> > though it may be back at a latter date
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:39:34 -0700
> > From: mike <wn5pmr at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] automatix2 troubles
> > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <4849F4E6.5030500 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Todd W. Bucy wrote:
> > > sorry forgot to source my comments:
> > >
> > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Automatix-Is-Dead-82105.shtml
> > >
> > > though it may be back at a latter date
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > >
> > Well that royally sucks. And while I find it depressing I'm also
> > curious. It must have been up  after it's supposed demise  as I have
> > used it with in the past month.  Ah well I will  wait to see if
> > automatix3 becomes a reality.
> >
> > Thanks for the info and the link Todd.
> >
> > Mike WN5PMR
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:49:24 -0500
> > From: "pixelnate at gmail.com" <pixelnate at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] automatix2 troubles
> > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <1212806964.18871.84.camel at mobileHQ>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 19:39 -0700, mike wrote:
> > > Well that royally sucks.
> >
> > What exactly do you need automatix for, anyway? Most of the stuff that
> > automatix did, prorietary drivers, codecs, etc., is easier to do with
> > the default Ubuntu install than it used to be.
> >
> >
> > ~Nate
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:57:03 -0500
> > From: "Todd W. Bucy" <toddwbucy at grandecom.net>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] automatix2 troubles
> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <1212807423.19255.19.camel at toddwbucy-laptop>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > well if the link that I posted earlier is in anyway correct it would
> > seem that canonical saw the work that the automatix2 crew did and put
> > that to work in the Hardy release.  That said if it hadn't been for
> > automatix and automatix2 I might have given up on linux at the very
> > begining as Ubuntu was lacking in many ways with feisty and gutsy.  IMHO
> > With the improvements of hardy automatix2 is no longer needed for
> > Ubuntu.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 21:49 -0500, pixelnate at gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 19:39 -0700, mike wrote:
> > > > Well that royally sucks.
> > >
> > > What exactly do you need automatix for, anyway? Most of the stuff that
> > > automatix did, prorietary drivers, codecs, etc., is easier to do with
> > > the default Ubuntu install than it used to be.
> > >
> > >
> > > ~Nate
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:06:52 -0500
> > From: "pixelnate at gmail.com" <pixelnate at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] automatix2 troubles
> > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
> >        <satlug at satlug.org>
> > Message-ID: <1212808012.18871.96.camel at mobileHQ>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 21:57 -0500, Todd W. Bucy wrote:
> > > IMHO
> > > With the improvements of hardy automatix2 is no longer needed for
> > > Ubuntu.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I can't say enough about Hardy. Linux, with Ubuntu, is now a
> > serious contender on the desktop.
> >
> > Now if could only get a native version of Photoshop (props to Google &
> > CodeWeavers for WINE tho) and Flash (or a FOSS clone which is now
> > possible). Makes me hate on Apple more and more every day. I just wanna
> > knock the Macophiles in the head V8-style, "Coulda had some linux."
> >
> >
> > ~Nate
> >
> >
> >
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