[SATLUG] Re: More info as Linux Noob

K. Reginald Buckner buckmiester35 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 8 02:52:57 CDT 2008


Herb Cee wrote:

I dunno what else to say to you because your two post confused me.

Perhaps it would help if you told us what 'distro' of Linux you are
trying to learn.


Sorry about that, I apologise for being confusing:

Although I was was a Linux Newbie, I have Unix power user experience.
However,
it was with system V commercial stuff (SUN, IBM, etc.)  and commands on each
of those are different altogether from linux. The first Linux I tried to
learn was SUSE 8.
Reason I was learning Linux is because I wanted to work for a major ISP or
DataCenter not for desktop personal use. Then I was changed my mind about
desktop use. So I had an HP laptop with AMD Turion X64 dual core, 2 GB
memory with Vista preloaded and I could find the space to dual boot with
Fedora Core 6 so I ran Fedora Core 4 in Virtual PC. I had to do this for my
OS class at SAC.

  I bought a used Dell Pentium III, 600mhz, 256MB with 20GB I that I am
expanding to 1GB mem and 250 GB drive. But I loaded Fedora 7 on it at first.
I got a message from Fedora to upgrade to either 8 or 9 before June 11
because EOL of Fedora 7.  I had a hard time upgrading to Fedora 9 and 8.
This is why I switched to Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon about 10 days ago.

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> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 08:27:03 -0500
> From: country <glenn.toothman at gmail.com>
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> su is a command, and it is in every release of *NIX I've worked with, it
> was
> in SVR2 ,3, 4 back when, not unique to Linux based products.
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Daniel J. Givens <daniel at rugmonster.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:42:23 -0500
> > Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Don Crowder wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't want to contribute to the hair splitting but "sudo" is, on
> > > > my system, a package which I can install/uninstall via apt-get or
> > > > Synaptic. "Su" isn't a package but is, rather, a CLI command.
> >
> > su is an application that is part of the GNU coreutils. It comes from a
> > package like everything else on your box.
> >
> > > But sudo is a CLI program too.  That is, unless someone has created
> > > another program that provides the same functionality and used the
> > > same name, but also given it a GUI.  In which case, they should call
> > > it gsudo, or some other name to distinguish it from the original
> > > CLI-only version.
> >
> > sudo is one thing. Some distros, primarily Debian-based ones, have
> > gksudo which is a separate application and package from sudo.
> >
> > Fedora doesn't have gksudo, but their not-quite-equivalent method of
> > running something with elevated privileges is through the use of
> > zenity, which either execute su or sudo. As far as I can
> > tell, there is no set standard to use one or the other.
> >
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> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 09:31:24 -0500
> From: Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Linux OS as basis for Network Management
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> K. Reginald Buckner wrote:
> > Greetings:
> >
> > Can someone enlightnen me?  Can Linux OS be used in a network manangement
> > since?
> > For example can you use it like for HP Openview or Cisco Works?
>
> Those are proprietary programs.  It depends on whether the vendor has
> created
> Linux versions or not.  I don't know about those specific programs.
>
> > Or is there
> > an equal open source program that can monitor things like routers,
> switches,
> > leased circuits, bandwidth, etc?
>
> I've monitored things like Cisco switches and routers with a simple
> browser.
>
>   -- Bruce
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 09:42:52 -0500
> From: herb cee <hc at lookcee.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Introduction of Myself and Linux for Newbies
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> Hello Reggie, I will just say welcome to this list as a fellow newb.
>
> I dunno what else to say to you because your two post confused me.
>
> Perhaps it would help if you told us what 'distro' of Linux you are
> trying to learn. Also a computer is generally used for a purpose and so
> the distro you choose to begin with should be oriented toward your purpose.
>
> I do understand your frustration trying to learn from various documents
> on the web. It is like a huge library and maybe if you used google and
> start asking your specific question you can narrow down what to read
> from thousands of pages on almost any subject.
>
> I have learned a lot from just lurking and reading every post to this
> list for past year plus. I have learned that detailed expert help is
> available here and if you will ask your question in a specific way you
> will be helped. You need to state the basic specs of the computer you
> are using to learn on and the Linux distro and version number. For
> instance I use a P-IV 1.7g CPU with 1.2G of ddr RAM, I have a Nivida
> 5200 graphics card and am using a router to conect to the DSL modem. I
> am using Ubuntu 7.10 and I am planning to upgrade to version 8.04. I
> also have played some with other distros but I think Ubuntu fits me better.
>
> When I first arrived on this list that was the first advice I got was to
> pick a distro that fitted my needs best. I gave up on Fedora based on
> that and found that Ubuntu worked better for me.
>
> I dunno if this helps or not but I wish you good luck.
> herb
>
> K. Reginald Buckner wrote:
> >> Hello my name is Reggie Buckner. I saw Daniel's bit about Linux for
> Newbies
> >> and VMs. First I will like to share that I want to learn Linux in depth.
> I
> >> started as a San Antonio College student last year but I got discouraged
> >> about getting hands on experience to put on a resume. I been striking
> out
> >> trying to learn on my own but I want to meet others out there who know
> could
> >> help to enlighten me.
> >>
> >>
> >> About Linux for newbies:
> >>
> >>
> >>   . Linux for Newbies - As a newbie I found that it was hard to get
> >> started. The How tos on the net was not helpful enough. I used Sun OS,
> >> Solaris, SCO Unix, AIX and HP-UX in my past but I did not understand
> things
> >> like:
> >>
> >>  Differences between commands/ etc in Debian based linux and Red Hat
> based
> >> linux. Specifically  the hardware detection in Red Hat based Linux (
> >> anaconda and kudzu) does not recognize a lot of things like Debian does.
> >> Knoppix ( a debian based) can detect with exactness all the hardware and
> >> specs. Ubuntu does this as well. I am not sure where Puppy Linux falls
> but
> >> it detects hardware good.
> >>
> >>  Package management is different - rpm ( red hat package manager format)
> is
> >> for Red Hat based. deb is the package system for Debian. rpm  commands
> and
> >> yum works well in red hat ( fedora, centOS) but you have to use dpkg and
> apt
> >> in Debian. I found out these and many more things as a newbie from hours
> and
> >> hours of hands on trial and error. Not one bit of help or mentoring or
> stuff
> >> in some document. I did find some stuff in forums and a little bit here
> and
> >> there on web pages. But no overall guide to help newbies. Anybody would
> like
> >> to get together and put together a HOWTO for newbies?
> >>
> >> Reggie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:18:51 -0500
> From: "pixelnate at gmail.com" <pixelnate at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] automatix2 troubles
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> On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 22:23 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote:
> > On 6/6/08, Todd W. Bucy wrote:
> >
> > >  there really only is one choice for a F/OSS replacement for photoshop
> > >  and that is Gimp.  Which considering the price you pay at the register
> > >  for photoshop Gimp is more then photoshops equal.
> >
> > That's like saying that GraphicConverter is your only replacement for
> > Photoshop, or maybe Picasa.
> >
> > They may be image editing programs (or sites), but there is so much
> > more that Photoshop can do that they can't.  Gimp may be further down
> > that path, but it still suffers from the same problem -- it's not
> > Photoshop, and can't do half of what Photoshop can.
> >
> >
> > Sometimes, you really do need the real thing.
>
>
> I couldn't have said it better myself. There are so many things that
> Gimp cannot do that Photoshop can. It's really good, but it is nowhere
> near being an apt replacement to Photoshop for those who do anything
> more than basic photo editing. And it's lacking in many more areas than
> just CMYK support. If that was all it was lacking I could deal with it,
> I start all my color correction in Photoshop.
>
> And just for the record, I would pay full price to have a native
> Photoshop on Linux. Being free doesn't automatically make substandard
> software better.
>
>
> ~Nate
>
>
> ~Nate
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:35:48 -0500
> From: ed <horned0wl93 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Linux OS as basis for Network Management
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> Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> > K. Reginald Buckner wrote:
> >> Greetings:
> >>
> >> Can someone enlightnen me?  Can Linux OS be used in a network
> >> manangement
> >> since?
> >> For example can you use it like for HP Openview or Cisco Works?
> >
> > Those are proprietary programs.  It depends on whether the vendor has
> > created
> > Linux versions or not.  I don't know about those specific programs.
> Hi.  The company I retired from used HP OpenView - a gui-based network
> monitoring and management tool to track router up/down (Cisco 2600/2800)
> status over a national-level WAN.  It was rather clunky, and a big
> resource hog, but it did the job.  I think K-Reg is looking for a
> comparable *nix/FOSS tool.
>
> Cheers;
> Ed
> >
> >> Or is there
> >> an equal open source program that can monitor things like routers,
> >> switches,
> >> leased circuits, bandwidth, etc?
> >
> > I've monitored things like Cisco switches and routers with a simple
> > browser.
> >
> >   -- Bruce
>
>
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