From riugakusei at aim.com Sat Mar 1 00:32:27 2008 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Sat Mar 1 00:32:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi In-Reply-To: <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> References: <8CA47B6456E0DDF-8A8-3022@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CA497D26C58273-1428-931@webmail-nb02.sysops.aol.com> well thanks for everything but i finnaly got it working.... i did an update on the system and that took care of it.... ?everyone has their own distro they like... i like Fedora n Suse am just waiting for the Suse 11 release w/ kde 4.... -----Original Message----- From: Al Castanoli To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 19:43 -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > Don't use SuSE. It sucks :-P That's not really what I'd call good, constructive criticism. If there's something specifically you have trouble with concerning openSUSE, ask here and I'm sure at least one of us has encountered the same issue and may be able to help you. The first presentation I took part in at a SATLUG meeting was when Miguel Figueroa (2nd SATLUG president) and I compiled KDE 1.0 from sources and installed it on a SuSE box. Now that Novell owns SUSE Linux, there are some who find their collaboration with Microsoft too repugnant to deal with SuSE anymore, but the openSUSE project is still free at http://www.opensuse.org . I'm running openSUSE 10.3 on an old Dell PowerEdge 2500 with a pair of Xeons from the Pentium 3 era, and use it as my console for 52 oracle boxen. It's been running 24/7 except for kernel / version updates for two years and never has given me any trouble, but then again I don't use the GUI tools. I run # you rather than pointing and clicking through pop up windows for updates, and about all I use the mouse for is pointing at various xterms on the screen. My kids run their windows programs (photoshop and a few other school related applications) in VMware guest sessions on an OpenSUSE host at home, but I'm using Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS on my laptops because I like to use different tools for different jobs. Al Castanoli -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Mar 1 01:29:46 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Mar 1 01:29:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Job postings for UT Austin? Message-ID: Folks, We've got a number of positions open at UT Austin in the IT Services group, but I'm not sure where would be the appropriate place to post those on the SATLUG website, or mailing list, or whatever. I checked the FAQ, and didn't see anything listed there. I also didn't see a link on the LHS of the website that said "jobs" or "career" or anything like that. Can someone give me a pointer? Is it actually okay to post multiple job openings to this list directly (we have like twelve positions currently open)? Thanks! -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 01:31:06 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sat Mar 1 01:31:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi In-Reply-To: <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> References: <8CA47B6456E0DDF-8A8-3022@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Al Castanoli wrote: > That's not really what I'd call good, constructive criticism. If there's > something specifically you have trouble with concerning openSUSE, ask > here and I'm sure at least one of us has encountered the same issue and > may be able to help you. My praises for SuSE: * LDAP, Active Directory, and Windows integration are top notch * Looks very slick during/after installation * Excellent 64-bit support Here are my criticisms of SuSE: * Lack of quality software packages * Software repositories are slow * Third-party software sources required to install many applications (some without hashes/keys) * SuSE assumes too much about you using the GUI tools if you have graphics installed * SuSE does not follow standard networking config files (name of file is appended with MAC address? wtf???) * SuSE is a DVD installer, not a single CD Live/Installer combined (requiring waste of bandwidth, and time) * Lack of fast mirrors to download the ISO image(s) * Laid off AppArmor developers after they created an exceptional software package ... ridiculous! * SuSE is owned by Novell, and Netware is dead. They got into the Linux space to fill that void and own a piece of the action... * Someone I know who previously worked at SuSE told me something that makes me doubt they have the will to provide a long-term commitment to the distro... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 01:48:39 2008 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Mar 1 01:48:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi In-Reply-To: <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> References: <8CA47B6456E0DDF-8A8-3022@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Al Castanoli wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 19:43 -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > > Don't use SuSE. It sucks :-P > > That's not really what I'd call good, constructive criticism. If there's > something specifically you have trouble with concerning openSUSE, ask > here and I'm sure at least one of us has encountered the same issue and > may be able to help you. > > The first presentation I took part in at a SATLUG meeting was when > Miguel Figueroa (2nd SATLUG president) and I compiled KDE 1.0 from > sources and installed it on a SuSE box. > > Now that Novell owns SUSE Linux, there are some who find their > collaboration with Microsoft too repugnant to deal with SuSE anymore, > but the openSUSE project is still free at http://www.opensuse.org . > > I'm running openSUSE 10.3 on an old Dell PowerEdge 2500 with a pair of > Xeons from the Pentium 3 era, and use it as my console for 52 oracle > boxen. It's been running 24/7 except for kernel / version updates for > two years and never has given me any trouble, but then again I don't use > the GUI tools. I run > # you > rather than pointing and clicking through pop up windows for updates, > and about all I use the mouse for is pointing at various xterms on the > screen. > > My kids run their windows programs (photoshop and a few other school > related applications) in VMware guest sessions on an OpenSUSE host at > home, but I'm using Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS on my laptops because I like to > use different tools for different jobs. > > Al Castanoli > > -- I've heard many good things about Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS on this list and others. The goal is to move my sister from Windows 2000 to Linux. At the moment I have experience with Ubuntu but not PCLinuxOS. Is there anything that would give PCLinuxOS the edge over Ubuntu for this migration? Or vice-versa? I run openSUSE 10.3 (and love it) and Ubuntu 7.10. Ubuntu is very solid and reliable. I wish openSUSE had updates as fast as Ubuntu. They seem to be getting there. SuSE 8.2 to openSUSE 10.3 has come a long way on update and repository management. Strangely enough the biggest problem is replacing Outlook Express. My sister loves that program. I think it is junk. I tried to get her to use Gmail but she loves the Outlook Express "look and feel". Go figure. From nathan at gvtc.com Sat Mar 1 06:56:20 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Sat Mar 1 06:56:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <20080301045620.644B57C5@resin18.mta.everyone.net> A reminder that we will have a 'theme' for our booth at the computer show March 8th. We will be showing Open Office. We have three people who have said they will help, one with Writer, one with Calc, and one with Impress. If we can get additional stations would be nice. Has anyone worked with the new not related Open Project? Do you feel it is worth showing? Please let us know. Nathan Oxhndler From hc at lookcee.com Sat Mar 1 09:13:09 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sat Mar 1 09:13:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi In-Reply-To: References: <8CA47B6456E0DDF-8A8-3022@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <47C97285.4010302@lookcee.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > I've heard many good things about Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS on this list and others. > The goal is to move my sister from Windows 2000 to Linux. > At the moment I have experience with Ubuntu but not PCLinuxOS. > Is there anything that would give PCLinuxOS the edge over Ubuntu for > this migration? > Or vice-versa? > > I run openSUSE 10.3 (and love it) and Ubuntu 7.10. > Ubuntu is very solid and reliable. I wish openSUSE had updates as fast > as Ubuntu. They seem to be getting there. > SuSE 8.2 to openSUSE 10.3 has come a long way on update and repository > management. > Robert, have you played with the 3.01 Puppy yet, I just ordered 2 copies sent to my friends in FL (cost $3.70) they are still stuck with dial-up and I think the puppy's ability to run and maintain sessions stored on the ntfs file system, or most any other file sys, without requiring long, long downloads to support the initial install is a real winner. I am very light on the technical end, I liked the PCLinuxOS 2007 but have only run one 3hr session on it and made no notes since I planned to run "MiniMe" version just have not had the time yet. My general impression was Ubuntu and PCL were about equal and i very much like Ubuntu I think it is very close to a prime time distro. > Strangely enough the biggest problem is replacing Outlook Express. My > sister loves that program. I think it is junk. > I tried to get her to use Gmail but she loves the Outlook Express > "look and feel". Go figure. > I switched to Firefox long time ago while still a MSwin user and I replaced it as the default mail client in Ubuntu. I find it has all the features I want, the filtering is very good, perhaps she would like using it? herb From donguitar at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 10:29:01 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sat Mar 1 10:29:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi In-Reply-To: <47C97285.4010302@lookcee.com> References: <8CA47B6456E0DDF-8A8-3022@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> <47C97285.4010302@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <47C9844D.30604@gmail.com> > Robert Pearson wrote: >> I've heard many good things about Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS on this list >> and others. >> The goal is to move my sister from Windows 2000 to Linux. >> At the moment I have experience with Ubuntu but not PCLinuxOS. >> Is there anything that would give PCLinuxOS the edge over Ubuntu for >> this migration? >> Or vice-versa? My wife and I feel that switching from Windows to Linux is easier with KDE than with Gnome everybody I know has developed an instant preference for one or the other in short order so, since both are live CDs, why not give her copies of both and let her play with them herself. Then install whichever she likes best. herb cee wrote: > Robert, have you played with the 3.01 Puppy yet, I just ordered 2 copies > sent to my friends in FL (cost $3.70) they are still stuck with dial-up > and I think the puppy's ability to run and maintain sessions stored on > the ntfs file system, or most any other file sys, without requiring > long, long downloads to support the initial install is a real winner. I > am very light on the technical end, I liked the PCLinuxOS 2007 but have > only run one 3hr session on it and made no notes since I planned to run > "MiniMe" version just have not had the time yet. My general impression > was Ubuntu and PCL were about equal and i very much like Ubuntu I think > it is very close to a prime time distro. >> Strangely enough the biggest problem is replacing Outlook Express. My >> sister loves that program. I think it is junk. >> I tried to get her to use Gmail but she loves the Outlook Express >> "look and feel". Go figure. >> > > I switched to Firefox long time ago while still a MSwin user and I > replaced it as the default mail client in Ubuntu. I find it has all the > features I want, the filtering is very good, perhaps she would like > using it? Herb, Firefox is a browser, not an email client. Are you referring to Thunderbird? Thunderbird looks and feels enough like OE to be an easy transition for most Windows users and it's a snap to configure with a gmail account once you've enabled pop3 access for your gmail account. http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13273 I have a lot of friends who prefer to handle email via online interface with gmail or yahoo; many of them aren't even aware of the distinction between web based email and an onboard email client and I guess it ceases be matter much if one has a fast connection but I started with a dial up connection and well recall the frustration of spending an hour or more writing an email via web interface and losing it all before I could send it because I got booted before I could send it. That happened often enough to give me a serious aversion to web based email. -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From hc at lookcee.com Sat Mar 1 10:50:49 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sat Mar 1 10:50:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi In-Reply-To: <47C9844D.30604@gmail.com> References: <8CA47B6456E0DDF-8A8-3022@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> <47C97285.4010302@lookcee.com> <47C9844D.30604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C98969.2070900@lookcee.com> Don Crowder wrote: >>> Strangely enough the biggest problem is replacing Outlook Express. My >>> sister loves that program. I think it is junk. >>> I tried to get her to use Gmail but she loves the Outlook Express >>> "look and feel". Go figure. >>> >> >> I switched to Firefox long time ago while still a MSwin user and I >> replaced it as the default mail client in Ubuntu. I find it has all >> the features I want, the filtering is very good, perhaps she would >> like using it? > > Herb, Firefox is a browser, not an email client. Are you referring to > Thunderbird? Thunderbird looks and feels enough like OE to be an easy > transition for most Windows users and it's a snap to configure with a > gmail account once you've enabled pop3 access for your gmail account. > http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13273 Yes Don I did type the wrong name, thanks for the correction to Thunderbird. herb From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 16:56:56 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Sat Mar 1 16:56:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 32 and 64 bit kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <437096.2510.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have checked for 64-bit drivers of course. The ones on the driver disk are only got Vista 64-bit only which isn't compatible with ndiswrapper. I then did a windows automatic hardware update thing in 64-bit xp for the the hardware. The driver I got from microsloth was extremely buggy and my wireless would fade in and out and lose connection constantly. It seems that they want me to switch over to Vista which will take a long time if I'm ever forced into it. Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > I have a 64-bit Fedora 8 raid level 1 setup. Because I am using 64-bit, I cannot use the 32 bit windows driver for my wlan usb network adapter. How is it possible to have a 32 bit kernel, so that I can boot that up when I want to use wireless wlan, or can I run a 32 bit kernel in USL UserSpace Linux or 32-bit chroot with ndiswrapper in order to use a 32 bit windows driver with a 64-bit Fedora 8 kernel running my machine? I would check for a 64-bit Windows driver first. Also, I don't recall if this is true, but I think I heard about another NDIS emulation project that will take a 32-bit driver and allow it to work on 64-bit kernels. Don't quote me on that, but I swear I heard something about it. Perhaps it was not F/OSS though... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Christopher Lemire SKYPE: fakie_flip AIM: good bye300 IRC: linux_user400354 LQ FORUMS AND YIM: fakie_flip GTALK AND MSN: christopher.lemire@gmail.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 17:00:19 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Sat Mar 1 17:00:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 32 and 64 bit kernels In-Reply-To: <437096.2510.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <520288.56892.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can anyone experienced comment on my kernel idea? Chris Lemire wrote: I have checked for 64-bit drivers of course. The ones on the driver disk are only got Vista 64-bit only which isn't compatible with ndiswrapper. I then did a windows automatic hardware update thing in 64-bit xp for the the hardware. The driver I got from microsloth was extremely buggy and my wireless would fade in and out and lose connection constantly. It seems that they want me to switch over to Vista which will take a long time if I'm ever forced into it. Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > I have a 64-bit Fedora 8 raid level 1 setup. Because I am using 64-bit, I cannot use the 32 bit windows driver for my wlan usb network adapter. How is it possible to have a 32 bit kernel, so that I can boot that up when I want to use wireless wlan, or can I run a 32 bit kernel in USL UserSpace Linux or 32-bit chroot with ndiswrapper in order to use a 32 bit windows driver with a 64-bit Fedora 8 kernel running my machine? I would check for a 64-bit Windows driver first. Also, I don't recall if this is true, but I think I heard about another NDIS emulation project that will take a 32-bit driver and allow it to work on 64-bit kernels. Don't quote me on that, but I swear I heard something about it. Perhaps it was not F/OSS though... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Christopher Lemire SKYPE: fakie_flip AIM: good bye300 IRC: linux_user400354 LQ FORUMS AND YIM: fakie_flip GTALK AND MSN: christopher.lemire@gmail.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From afcasta at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 1 18:56:48 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:56:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi In-Reply-To: References: <8CA47B6456E0DDF-8A8-3022@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1204419408.4467.18.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 01:48 -0600, Robert Pearson wrote: > I've heard many good things about Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS on this list and others. > The goal is to move my sister from Windows 2000 to Linux. > At the moment I have experience with Ubuntu but not PCLinuxOS. > Is there anything that would give PCLinuxOS the edge over Ubuntu for > this migration? > Or vice-versa? Reasons I use PCLinuxOS: 1. It starts out with KDE - I like the konsole tabs better than Gnome Terminal's - just a personal preference from long association. I'm often ssh'ed into several servers at once, and the tabs are handy. 2. The MiniMe PCLinuxOS works well on an old 512MB flash drive, and I can use it to build rpms for the Linux/Oracle servers I have in a hospital - then when I shut down the system I booted off the flash drive there are no HIPAA encrusted files left to dispose of. 3. Makes a nice, compact guest os in VMware, when I have to boot windows to run a wireless firewall client. 4. Even the flash drive based MiniMe version works with the Intel wireless card in my laptop without a bunch of configuring. Reasons I use Ubuntu: 1. I starts with Gnome - for some things, I really like Gnome. I also like the default color scheme. 2. It doesn't seem to take as much RAM as rpm based distros like Fedora, Red Hat, Mandriva, and openSUSE, and works really well on an old laptop I have at work that only has 512MB RAM and a funky old ATI Radeon Mobility chip that doesn't seem well supported by any other distro. 3. There's a native Ubuntu TrueCrypt whole disk encryption package that works well on the laptop in the sentence directly above. > I run openSUSE 10.3 (and love it) and Ubuntu 7.10. > Ubuntu is very solid and reliable. I wish openSUSE had updates as fast > as Ubuntu. They seem to be getting there. > SuSE 8.2 to openSUSE 10.3 has come a long way on update and repository > management. > > Strangely enough the biggest problem is replacing Outlook Express. My > sister loves that program. I think it is junk. > I tried to get her to use Gmail but she loves the Outlook Express > "look and feel". Go figure. I've never used Outhouse Express, but one of the things I like about evolution is that it's easy to tar up the ~/.evolution directory and move it between machines - I move around a lot between Linux and Solaris, and evolution works well on both. Al Castanoli From anisenfeld at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 2 11:56:59 2008 From: anisenfeld at sbcglobal.net (arthur nisenfeld) Date: Sun Mar 2 11:57:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] General Questions Message-ID: <517503.26966.qm@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi everyone! Background : Just got into Linux recently and know about as little as possible - but also know that I will never return to Mac or Windoze (have both still working). Purchased an Everex PC with gOS on-line, primarily to replace my aging WIN 98 box to use as a cheap Internet client, but have since been fascinated with the flexibility and amount of software available and the ease with which it is obtained. gOS stands for Good Operating System and is based on Ubuntu 7.10 and Enlightenment 17 I believe. It is slanted towards using Google and Google Applications on the Internet - something I wanted for the intended purpose. Questions: Anyone out there using gOS 1.01 longer than a few weeks like me? Can you use applications written for GNOME, KDE, or other GUI environments in whatever environment currently part of your system, or do you need to use that specific GNOME, KDE? (don't wish to get involved too much with the terminal yet.) This PC has a Suspend, Hibernate, and Shutdown mode. I typically shutdown my computers after use. Are the above comparable to WIN Sleep & Wake? I get the feeling there is more than meets the eye here. Thanks for your help in advance, Newbie / From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 12:36:37 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Mar 2 12:36:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] General Questions In-Reply-To: <517503.26966.qm@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <517503.26966.qm@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0803021036xe07ff72rcdb60a4cd24bd58@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:56 AM, arthur nisenfeld wrote: > Questions: Anyone out there using gOS 1.01 longer than a few weeks like me? > > Can you use applications written for GNOME, KDE, or other GUI environments in whatever environment currently part of your system, or do you need to use that specific GNOME, KDE? (don't wish to get involved too much with the terminal yet.) The 2 big managers, Gnome and KDE each have their own libraries, but you can easily mix and match and run whatever program you want, just as long as you include whatever requirements that program needs. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From hc at lookcee.com Sun Mar 2 13:19:12 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:19:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] General Questions In-Reply-To: <517503.26966.qm@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <517503.26966.qm@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CAFDB0.9030900@lookcee.com> arthur nisenfeld wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Background : Just got into Linux recently and know about as little as possible - but also know that I will never return to Mac or Windoze (have both still working). Purchased an Everex PC with gOS on-line, primarily to replace my aging WIN 98 box to use as a cheap Internet client, but have since been fascinated with the flexibility and amount of software available and the ease with which it is obtained. > gOS stands for Good Operating System and is based on Ubuntu 7.10 and Enlightenment 17 I believe. It is slanted towards using Google and Google Applications on the Internet - something I wanted for the intended purpose. > > Questions: Anyone out there using gOS 1.01 longer than a few weeks like me? > > Can you use applications written for GNOME, KDE, or other GUI environments in whatever environment currently part of your system, or do you need to use that specific GNOME, KDE? (don't wish to get involved too much with the terminal yet.) > can't comment on your specifics except installing new applications. If you stick with System/Administration/Synaptic Package Manager and if the program is listed then the manager will include what is needed from the repository and it works really cool. Perhaps someone else can tell you how to find the launcher if it does not show up in Applications, I need to know also. herb 'also noob' > This PC has a Suspend, Hibernate, and Shutdown mode. I typically shutdown my computers after use. Are the above comparable to WIN Sleep & Wake? I get the feeling there is more than meets the eye here. > > Thanks for your help in advance, > > Newbie > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > From anisenfeld at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 2 13:20:15 2008 From: anisenfeld at sbcglobal.net (arthur nisenfeld) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:20:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] General Questions In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0803021036xe07ff72rcdb60a4cd24bd58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <672549.9572.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Jeremy - does the package manager automatically include those requirements or is there another place one must look? Jeremy Mann wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:56 AM, arthur nisenfeld wrote: > Questions: Anyone out there using gOS 1.01 longer than a few weeks like me? > > Can you use applications written for GNOME, KDE, or other GUI environments in whatever environment currently part of your system, or do you need to use that specific GNOME, KDE? (don't wish to get involved too much with the terminal yet.) The 2 big managers, Gnome and KDE each have their own libraries, but you can easily mix and match and run whatever program you want, just as long as you include whatever requirements that program needs. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 13:32:57 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:33:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] General Questions In-Reply-To: <672549.9572.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <79ec289f0803021036xe07ff72rcdb60a4cd24bd58@mail.gmail.com> <672549.9572.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0803021132u73583df1s199b3a96e29de386@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:20 PM, arthur nisenfeld wrote: > Thanks Jeremy - does the package manager automatically include those requirements or is there another place one must look? I'm not really familiar with gOS, but if it does have some sort of package management tool, then it should retrieve whatever requirements of the program you want. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 15:15:14 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John Choate) Date: Sun Mar 2 15:12:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <47C6C3B3.2010104@rugmonster.org> References: <1204205011.6794.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <7c60f31a0802280527q3305cbfaq3f00de7b5a21d3d1@mail.gmail.com> <47C6C3B3.2010104@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <200803021515.14148.jdchoate@mcn.org> On Thursday 28 February 2008 08:22:43 Daniel J. Givens wrote: > phn1x wrote: > > But.... Ubuntu works with everything! > > > > How does it hold up to Slackware, or Freebsd? This is why i'm ticket off. > > My Acer works just fine, no problems with Ubuntu. As does Every other > > computer... But when you start loading other distro's, it get's messy :/ > > Ubuntu, Slackware, Mandriva, Fedora, Gentoo... they all run the Linux > kernel. If one distro works on a system, they can all work on that > system. Distro A might have some third party patches applied that distro > B doesn't or it might have a newer version of the kernel, but this is > all open source stuff. If you're having problem with hardware that works > on one distro and not on another, blame your distro and either look at > submitting a bug and fix or move to another distro that does work > out-of-the-box. > > As for FreeBSD, it's not Linux, has an entirely different kernel and > hardware support differs. If you've absolutely got to have it and it > doesn't run on your hardware, you could always run it under [Insert > Virtualization Product of Choice] on Linux. > > Regards, > Daniel I agree with Daniel. I tried several different Kubuntu live CDs on my desktop machine and they did not work well at all. Since I am a KDE user is why I tried Kubuntu. All of the versions I tried had problems bringing up X, and when X did come up there were problems with monitor refresh... so I gave up. Mandriva/Mandrake has worked extremely well for my machines since 2002, with all hardware working and great success with various 3D games. I'm sticking with Mandriva despite others claiming either that Ubuntu is the 'only' distro to use or that it 'works with everything'. From hc at lookcee.com Sun Mar 2 15:15:26 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sun Mar 2 15:15:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] .xsession-errors Message-ID: <47CB18EE.4040000@lookcee.com> I was transferring some file from one box to another and I turned view hidden files on. I then noticed this "?" file, .xsession-errors I opened it and read the report and I have no idea what it means, I don't observe anything wrong with this box working, seems normal. Can someone advise me what to do and please where to start if I need to learn something here? Here is the first of and the end: (I can run whatever term-commands I should if it needs something done.) I went to... http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html ... but I don't understand. Thanks IA, herb Start: (process:5131): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program instead. For further details, see: http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html Refusing to initialize GTK+. (process:5135): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program instead. For further details, see: http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html Refusing to initialize GTK+. /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... SESSION_MANAGER=local/Celf:/tmp/.ICE-unix/5128 Checking for Xgl: not present. Initializing gnome-mount extension Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:00.0 0300: 1002:474d (rev 27) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present. Checking for non power of two support: present. Checking for Composite extension: present. Comparing resolution (1152x864) to maximum 3D texture size (2048): Passed. Checking for nVidia: not present. Checking for FBConfig: present. Checking for Xgl: not present. Starting gtk-window-decorator ** Message: Not starting remote desktop server Tracker version 0.6.3 Copyright (c) 2005-2007 by Jamie McCracken (jamiemcc@gnome.org) This program is free software and comes without any warranty. It is licensed under version 2 or later of the General Public License which can be viewed at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt Initialising tracker... Could not set idle IO priority...attempting best effort 7 priority /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 Throttle level is 0 Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/herb/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms: Failed to open file '/home/herb/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms': No such file or directory evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Setting timeout for 20921 1204416000 1204395079 .....Evolution is installed but I don't use the mail client, use Thunderbird..... This file is over 1300 lines here is end of file: [00000300] access_http access error: cannot connect to wm-eon.vitalstreamcdn.com:80 [00000433] main access error: cannot resolve tpr.org port 80 : Name or service not known [00000433] access_mms access error: cannot connect to tpr.org:80 [00000431] main input error: no suitable access module for `http://tpr.org/audio/kstx.m3u' [00000288] main playlist: stopping playback [00000300] main access error: cannot resolve wm-eon.vitalstreamcdn.com port 80 : Name or service not known [00000300] access_http access error: cannot connect to wm-eon.vitalstreamcdn.com:80 [00000300] access_mms access error: cannot read data .... I do use VLC and that station is currently playing so this confuses me From jeffholt at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 17:19:33 2008 From: jeffholt at yahoo.com (Jeff Holt) Date: Sun Mar 2 17:19:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi help In-Reply-To: <20080228180004.F263343E4CB@satlug.org> Message-ID: <509386.68973.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In September, I purchased a Dell Inspiron 1420n with Ubuntu 7.4. Until last month, I could connect to wireless networks. Last month, I put the laptop into roam mode and visited an open wifi hot spot. When I returned home, I turned eth1 off roam to discover that it had disconnected. I have WiFi radar installed, and I can see my wireless network. But under Connection Properties, eth1 shows as disconnected. I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10 hoping that would fix things, but eth 1 is still disconnected. Any help would be appreciated, and would prevent me buying a copy of Windows to get wireless to work. Jeff READ CAREFULLY. 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From donguitar at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 18:56:34 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sun Mar 2 18:56:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] General Questions In-Reply-To: <517503.26966.qm@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <517503.26966.qm@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CB4CC2.10000@gmail.com> arthur nisenfeld wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Background : Just got into Linux recently and know about as little as possible - but also know that I will never return to Mac or Windoze (have both still working). Purchased an Everex PC with gOS on-line, primarily to replace my aging WIN 98 box to use as a cheap Internet client, but have since been fascinated with the flexibility and amount of software available and the ease with which it is obtained. > gOS stands for Good Operating System and is based on Ubuntu 7.10 and Enlightenment 17 I believe. It is slanted towards using Google and Google Applications on the Internet - something I wanted for the intended purpose. > > Questions: Anyone out there using gOS 1.01 longer than a few weeks like me? > > Can you use applications written for GNOME, KDE, or other GUI environments in whatever environment currently part of your system, or do you need to use that specific GNOME, KDE? (don't wish to get involved too much with the terminal yet.) > > This PC has a Suspend, Hibernate, and Shutdown mode. I typically shutdown my computers after use. Are the above comparable to WIN Sleep & Wake? I get the feeling there is more than meets the eye here. > > Thanks for your help in advance, > > Newbie I'm sure you'll get lots of good answers to your questions so I won't get into that. If you still have your old Win98 machine, I suggest you try KateOS on it. I just installed it on a 550 MHz, P3 w/256 MB of RAM (Compaq DeskPro) and found it to be very impressive. http://www.kateos.org/ -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From pixelnate at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 20:21:00 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Sun Mar 2 20:21:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Wifi help In-Reply-To: <509386.68973.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <509386.68973.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1204510860.7369.34.camel@mobileHQ> On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 15:19 -0800, Jeff Holt wrote: > In September, I purchased a Dell Inspiron 1420n with Ubuntu 7.4. Until last month, I could connect to wireless networks. Last month, I put the laptop into roam mode and visited an open wifi hot spot. When I returned home, I turned eth1 off roam to discover that it had disconnected. > > I have WiFi radar installed, and I can see my wireless network. But under Connection Properties, eth1 shows as disconnected. > > I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10 hoping that would fix things, but eth 1 is still disconnected. > > Any help would be appreciated, and would prevent me buying a copy of Windows to get wireless to work. If you right-click on the networking icon in the bar at the top of the desktop, do you see a checked box each fort "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wireless". If it only has a "Enable Networking" checked then you have (I am guessing accidentally) turned off your wireless hardware. On my laptop I have a button that will turn on/off my wireless. If you have one of these try hitting the button once and only once. Suspend your laptop, wake it up and wait a couple of minutes. If your wireless still doesn't connect, there are few more things to try. First sign up for an account at www.ubuntuforums.org and post your problem there. There are a lot of people on that forum that have your same laptop, so there are a lot that can help. In the meantime, try going to System->Administration->Network and enter your password. Then select "Wireless connection" and click on the "Properties" button. Then select "Enable Roaming". Hit OK and Close and your network should try and connect. If it doesn't you should be able to left-click on the networking icon on the top bar and see all the available networks. Select your network and enter any passwords to join your network and you should be in business. If you have any additional questions, feel free to respond and I am sure that somebody here can help with some additional tips. Don't worry, you won't have to install any viruses (cough, Windows) to get you networking again. ;^) ~Nate From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 22:47:42 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Sun Mar 2 22:47:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Hot-Swap Message-ID: <274333.1403.qm@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> veronica@ubuntu-desktop:~$ dmesg ... [ 4797.364000] ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x150000 action 0x2 frozen [ 4797.364000] ata1: hard resetting port [ 4798.400000] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) [ 4798.448000] ata1.00: ATA-7: ST3320620AS, 3.AAJ, max UDMA/133 [ 4798.448000] ata1.00: 625142448 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32) [ 4798.512000] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133 [ 4798.512000] ata1: EH complete [ 4798.512000] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST3320620AS 3.AA PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [ 4798.512000] ata1: bounce limit 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, segment boundary 0xFFFFFFFF, hw segs 61 [ 4798.548000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 625142448 512-byte hardware sectors (320073 MB) [ 4798.548000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off [ 4798.548000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 [ 4798.548000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [ 4798.548000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 625142448 512-byte hardware sectors (320073 MB) [ 4798.548000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off [ 4798.548000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 [ 4798.548000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [ 4798.548000] sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 [ 4798.572000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk [ 4798.588000] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 [ 4819.392000] ata2: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x150000 action 0x2 frozen [ 4819.392000] ata2: hard resetting port [ 4820.428000] ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) [ 4820.480000] ata2.00: ATA-7: ST3320620AS, 3.AAC, max UDMA/133 [ 4820.480000] ata2.00: 625142448 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32) [ 4820.548000] ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133 [ 4820.548000] ata2: EH complete [ 4820.548000] scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST3320620AS 3.AA PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [ 4820.548000] ata2: bounce limit 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, segment boundary 0xFFFFFFFF, hw segs 61 [ 4820.548000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 625142448 512-byte hardware sectors (320073 MB) [ 4820.548000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 4820.548000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 [ 4820.548000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [ 4820.548000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 625142448 512-byte hardware sectors (320073 MB) [ 4820.548000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 4820.548000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 [ 4820.548000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [ 4820.548000] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 [ 4820.588000] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk [ 4820.588000] sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 veronica@ubuntu-desktop:~$ These hard drives were plugged in while Synaptic Package Manager is going to work. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4213/screenshotsummaryua1.png Afterwords Ubuntu autodetected and automounted these 2 180 GB drive partitions! --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From e2eiod at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 23:47:46 2008 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sun Mar 2 23:47:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] .xsession-errors In-Reply-To: <47CB18EE.4040000@lookcee.com> References: <47CB18EE.4040000@lookcee.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:15 PM, herb cee wrote: > I was transferring some file from one box to another and I turned view > hidden files on. I then noticed this "?" file, .xsession-errors I > opened it and read the report and I have no idea what it means, I don't > observe anything wrong with this box working, seems normal. Can someone > advise me what to do and please where to start if I need to learn > something here? Here is the first of and the end: (I can run whatever > term-commands I should if it needs something done.) I went to... > http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html ... but I don't understand. > Thanks IA, herb > Start: > (process:5131): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid > or setgid. > This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper > program instead. For further details, see: > > http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html > > Refusing to initialize GTK+. > > (process:5135): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid > or setgid. > This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper > program instead. For further details, see: > > http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html > > Refusing to initialize GTK+. > /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... > SESSION_MANAGER=local/Celf:/tmp/.ICE-unix/5128 > Checking for Xgl: not present. > Initializing gnome-mount extension > Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:00.0 0300: 1002:474d (rev 27) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) > Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present. > Checking for non power of two support: present. > Checking for Composite extension: present. > Comparing resolution (1152x864) to maximum 3D texture size (2048): Passed. > Checking for nVidia: not present. > Checking for FBConfig: present. > Checking for Xgl: not present. > Starting gtk-window-decorator > ** Message: Not starting remote desktop server > > > Tracker version 0.6.3 Copyright (c) 2005-2007 by Jamie McCracken > (jamiemcc@gnome.org) > > This program is free software and comes without any warranty. > It is licensed under version 2 or later of the General Public License > which can be viewed at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt > > Initialising tracker... > Could not set idle IO priority...attempting best effort 7 priority > /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, > this isn't going to work. > /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 > /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on > display :0.0 > Throttle level is 0 > Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file > /home/herb/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms: Failed to open file > '/home/herb/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms': No such file or directory > evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Setting timeout for 20921 1204416000 > 1204395079 > > .....Evolution is installed but I don't use the mail client, use > Thunderbird..... > This file is over 1300 lines here is end of file: > > [00000300] access_http access error: cannot connect to > wm-eon.vitalstreamcdn.com:80 > [00000433] main access error: cannot resolve tpr.org port 80 : Name or > service not known > [00000433] access_mms access error: cannot connect to tpr.org:80 > [00000431] main input error: no suitable access module for > `http://tpr.org/audio/kstx.m3u' > [00000288] main playlist: stopping playback > [00000300] main access error: cannot resolve wm-eon.vitalstreamcdn.com > port 80 : Name or service not known > [00000300] access_http access error: cannot connect to > wm-eon.vitalstreamcdn.com:80 > [00000300] access_mms access error: cannot read data > > .... I do use VLC and that station is currently playing so this confuses me > > > -- herb, The ".xsession-errors" is a good one to know about if you are having xsession errors. Otherwise I recommend just ignoring it. I have tried several times over the years to have an empty or blank .xsession-errors file. It might stay empty or blank until the next reboot and then it starts with new errors uncovered by fixing the old errors. Or you do updates and things are out of sync again. It is very useful and a good place to start looking for a real "X" problem. If you have one. The short answer is that most of these errors are generated because of the newer "xorg" code and the original core "X" code that no one wants to re-write. They do fix all the "Fatal" and "Severe" errors. The "Warning" and "Informational" errors are left to posterity. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Mar 3 01:51:12 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Mon Mar 3 01:51:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) Message-ID: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Hey all, As promised, here is the list of steps that you MUST do NOW to prepare for the XCSSA March 17th, 2008 GPG Keysigning Party: http://xcssa.org/#STEPS (permalink = http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-03-17.html#STEPS ) Please follow steps 1-3 NOW to prepare for the keysigning party or you will not be able to participate or get your key signed by the group! :v( If anyone has any questions or concerns, please feel free to send them to me (tweeks-junk2 at theweeks d0t 0rg) and I'll try to answer them and get you taken care of in time. Take care, and we'll see you at the party! Tweeks XCSSA President From hc at lookcee.com Mon Mar 3 05:48:26 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Mon Mar 3 05:48:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] .xsession-errors In-Reply-To: References: <47CB18EE.4040000@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <47CBE58A.4030500@lookcee.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > herb, > > The ".xsession-errors" is a good one to know about if you are having > xsession errors. > Otherwise I recommend just ignoring it. I have tried several times > over the years to have an empty or blank .xsession-errors file. > It might stay empty or blank until the next reboot and then it starts > with new errors uncovered by fixing the old errors. > Or you do updates and things are out of sync again. > It is very useful and a good place to start looking for a real "X" > problem. If you have one. > > The short answer is that most of these errors are generated because of > the newer "xorg" code and the original core "X" code that no one wants > to re-write. They do fix all the "Fatal" and "Severe" errors. The > "Warning" and "Informational" errors are left to posterity. > Thanks Robert, I read where one fellow filled his disk up and found the file had grown to 50GB, I deleted the contents, so I will keep an eye on it. Knowing it is there and informational helps .... sigh ... I have so much reading stacked up, glad to know this can go on the 'till I have to' list, lol. herb From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 08:07:36 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Mar 3 08:07:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> Hello; I have a few questions and problem: 1. Apparently, per GPG setup instructions, I'd need a separate GPG key for each email account? 2. I've tested the setup using one of my email accounts, and have saved the fingerprint as a screen shot, but don't know how to access/print it any other way. Suggestions? Also, I won't be able to make a March 17 meeting, as I'll be teaching that night (ACCD/PAC A+ Pre-Cert course at the ACCD/ATC, Kelly Field). Is there any other way I can meet with someone to get my key(s) signed, either before or after? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Cheers; Ed Tillman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tweeks wrote: Hey all, > As promised, here is the list of steps that you MUST do NOW to prepare for the > XCSSA March 17th, 2008 GPG Keysigning Party: > http://xcssa.org/#STEPS > (permalink = http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-03-17.html#STEPS ) > > Please follow steps 1-3 NOW to prepare for the keysigning party or you will > not be able to participate or get your key signed by the group! :v( > > If anyone has any questions or concerns, please feel free to send them to me > (tweeks-junk2 at theweeks d0t 0rg) and I'll try to answer them and get you > taken care of in time. > > Take care, and we'll see you at the party! > > Tweeks > XCSSA President > From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Mar 3 11:01:23 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:01:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> Quoting ed : > Hello; > > I have a few questions and problem: > > 1. Apparently, per GPG setup instructions, I'd need a separate GPG key > for each email account? > 2. I've tested the setup using one of my email accounts, and have saved > the fingerprint as a screen shot, but don't know how to access/print it > any other way. Suggestions? > http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html I recommend this document to follow for generating keys and such. I also have some beef with the suggestions on the XCSSA site. Particularly with the age of the keys and the encryption algorithms. According to http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html#AEN526 : "It is almost always the case that you will not want the master key to expire. There are two reasons why you may choose an expiration date. First, you may intend for the key to have a limited lifetime. For example, it is being used for an event such as a political campaign and will no longer be useful after the campaign is over. Another reason is that if you lose control of the key and do not have a revocation certificate with which to revoke the key, having an expiration date on the master key ensures that the key will eventually fall into disuse. Changing encryption subkeys is straightforward but can be inconvenient. If you generate a new keypair with an expiration date on the subkey, that subkey will eventually expire. Shortly before the expiration you will add a new subkey and publish your updated public key. Once the subkey expires, those who wish to correspond with you must find your updated key since they will no longer be able to encrypt to the expired key. This may be inconvenient depending on how you distribute the key. Fortunately, however, no extra signatures are necessary since the new subkey will have been signed with your master signing key, which presumably has already been validated by your correspondents." Basically, unless you want your signing key to expire, it shouldn't. That way you retain the signatures. However, you want your encryption key to expire so that it's no longer used. The main factor of encryption is how long the data is valid for. If it's extremely important, but isn't useful after a week, encryption that can't be brute-forced within a week (reasonably) is probably good enough. Also I would reccomend using RSA encryption as opposed to El-Gamal. I think there might be another algorithm, but I can't remember at the moment. the 4096bit key length is good :) Just my $0.02 > > tweeks wrote: > > Hey all, >> As promised, here is the list of steps that you MUST do NOW to >> prepare for the >> XCSSA March 17th, 2008 GPG Keysigning Party: >> http://xcssa.org/#STEPS >> (permalink = http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-03-17.html#STEPS ) >> >> Please follow steps 1-3 NOW to prepare for the keysigning party or you will >> not be able to participate or get your key signed by the group! :v( >> >> If anyone has any questions or concerns, please feel free to send them to me >> (tweeks-junk2 at theweeks d0t 0rg) and I'll try to answer them and get you >> taken care of in time. >> >> Take care, and we'll see you at the party! >> >> Tweeks >> XCSSA President >> > -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 11:27:47 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:27:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > Quoting ed : > >> Hello; >> >> I have a few questions and problem: >> >> 1. Apparently, per GPG setup instructions, I'd need a separate GPG key >> for each email account? >> 2. I've tested the setup using one of my email accounts, and have saved >> the fingerprint as a screen shot, but don't know how to access/print it >> any other way. Suggestions? >> > http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html > > I recommend this document to follow for generating keys and such. > I also have some beef with the suggestions on the XCSSA site. > Particularly with the age of the keys and the encryption algorithms. > > According to http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html#AEN526 : > "It is almost always the case that you will not want the master key to > expire. There are two reasons why you may choose an expiration date. > First, you may intend for the key to have a limited lifetime. For > example, it is being used for an event such as a political campaign > and will no longer be useful after the campaign is over. Another > reason is that if you lose control of the key and do not have a > revocation certificate with which to revoke the key, having an > expiration date on the master key ensures that the key will eventually > fall into disuse. > > Changing encryption subkeys is straightforward but can be > inconvenient. If you generate a new keypair with an expiration date on > the subkey, that subkey will eventually expire. Shortly before the > expiration you will add a new subkey and publish your updated public > key. Once the subkey expires, those who wish to correspond with you > must find your updated key since they will no longer be able to > encrypt to the expired key. This may be inconvenient depending on how > you distribute the key. Fortunately, however, no extra signatures are > necessary since the new subkey will have been signed with your master > signing key, which presumably has already been validated by your > correspondents." > > Basically, unless you want your signing key to expire, it shouldn't. > That way you retain the signatures. However, you want your encryption > key to expire so that it's no longer used. The main factor of > encryption is how long the data is valid for. If it's extremely > important, but isn't useful after a week, encryption that can't be > brute-forced within a week (reasonably) is probably good enough. > > Also I would reccomend using RSA encryption as opposed to El-Gamal. I > think there might be another algorithm, but I can't remember at the > moment. the 4096bit key length is good :) > > Just my $0.02 > Hi David; This a great response, and I've saved the web site for later perusal, but it doesn't address my primary questions: 1. Once I've generated a key-pair (and I have...), how do I find the fingerprint, aside from the screen shot I saved? 2. Do I need to do a separate key-pair/fingerprint for each email address I use? 3. Since I can't make the signing party due to teaching commitments, how can I get them signed? 4. What then? Thanks for all your help! Cheers; Ed Tillman =================================================================== From jm at allensonthe.net Mon Mar 3 11:31:42 2008 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:31:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803031131.42167.jm@allensonthe.net> On Monday 03 March 2008 11:27:47 ed wrote: > Hi David; > > This a great response, and I've saved the web site for later perusal, > but it doesn't address my primary questions: > > 1. Once I've generated a key-pair (and I have...), how do I find the > fingerprint, aside from the screen shot I saved? It depends on the GPG client. From the cli: gnupg --fingerprint [key-id] If you leave off the key-id, it will list all keys in your keyring and their fingerprint. Jon Mark /* The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. -- Joe Ancis */ From jeffholt at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 11:32:23 2008 From: jeffholt at yahoo.com (Jeff Holt) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:32:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG WiFi Help In-Reply-To: <20080303170133.C9DF643EBB1@satlug.org> Message-ID: <152517.90779.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for you help, Nate. You rock! I hit the button once and suspended. When I got back on, eth1 was working! FYI, I have an Ubuntu Forums account, and all the help I got was "Put it in roam." I tried the Dell Linux support, and was told to try the button. Should've started here first. Jeff satlug-request@satlug.org wrote: Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:21:00 -0600 From: pixelnate Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Wifi help To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Message-ID: <1204510860.7369.34.camel@mobileHQ> Content-Type: text/plain On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 15:19 -0800, Jeff Holt wrote: > In September, I purchased a Dell Inspiron 1420n with Ubuntu 7.4. Until last month, I could connect to wireless networks. Last month, I put the laptop into roam mode and visited an open wifi hot spot. When I returned home, I turned eth1 off roam to discover that it had disconnected. > > I have WiFi radar installed, and I can see my wireless network. But under Connection Properties, eth1 shows as disconnected. > > I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10 hoping that would fix things, but eth 1 is still disconnected. > > Any help would be appreciated, and would prevent me buying a copy of Windows to get wireless to work. If you right-click on the networking icon in the bar at the top of the desktop, do you see a checked box each fort "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wireless". If it only has a "Enable Networking" checked then you have (I am guessing accidentally) turned off your wireless hardware. On my laptop I have a button that will turn on/off my wireless. If you have one of these try hitting the button once and only once. Suspend your laptop, wake it up and wait a couple of minutes. If your wireless still doesn't connect, there are few more things to try. First sign up for an account at www.ubuntuforums.org and post your problem there. There are a lot of people on that forum that have your same laptop, so there are a lot that can help. In the meantime, try going to System->Administration->Network and enter your password. Then select "Wireless connection" and click on the "Properties" button. Then select "Enable Roaming". Hit OK and Close and your network should try and connect. If it doesn't you should be able to left-click on the networking icon on the top bar and see all the available networks. Select your network and enter any passwords to join your network and you should be in business. If you have any additional questions, feel free to respond and I am sure that somebody here can help with some additional tips. Don't worry, you won't have to install any viruses (cough, Windows) to get you networking again. ;^) ~Nate ------------------------------ READ CAREFULLY. By reading this email you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from allobligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATEDagreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap,browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptableuse policies (?BOGUS AGREEMENTS?) that I have entered into with youremployer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity,without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You furtherrepresent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUSAGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Mar 3 11:34:42 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:34:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080303113442.qsl60lgrs4cg8ocs@shlrm.org> Quoting ed : > > This a great response, and I've saved the web site for later perusal, > but it doesn't address my primary questions: > > 1. Once I've generated a key-pair (and I have...), how do I find the > fingerprint, aside from the screen shot I saved? gpg --fingerprint [email or key-id] > 2. Do I need to do a separate key-pair/fingerprint for each email > address I use? Nope. You can add multiple email addresses to the key. I don't recall how to do it, so i'd say look at the manpage (RTFM, it's what I do :P) > 3. Since I can't make the signing party due to teaching commitments, how > can I get them signed? You'll have to work out that with someone. Usually you'd have to meet with the people. The point of the party is to entice people to come with pizza and socialization ;D > 4. What then? You can use the key to sign your mails to the satlug mailing list :D -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 11:44:42 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:44:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG WiFi Help In-Reply-To: <152517.90779.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <152517.90779.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1204566282.6629.0.camel@mobileHQ> On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 09:32 -0800, Jeff Holt wrote: > Thanks for you help, Nate. You rock! I am glad I could help. ~Nate From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 12:41:07 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Mar 3 12:41:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <20080303113442.qsl60lgrs4cg8ocs@shlrm.org> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> <20080303113442.qsl60lgrs4cg8ocs@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <47CC4643.6080801@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > Quoting ed : >> >> This a great response, and I've saved the web site for later perusal, >> but it doesn't address my primary questions: >> >> 1. Once I've generated a key-pair (and I have...), how do I find the >> fingerprint, aside from the screen shot I saved? > > gpg --fingerprint [email or key-id] Hmm. Ok. I used the command "gpg --fingerprint", but without any modifiers, and got a host of other keys besides my own. Mine's at the tail-end. How might I have wound up with these other keys? Are they important? > >> 2. Do I need to do a separate key-pair/fingerprint for each email >> address I use? > > Nope. You can add multiple email addresses to the key. I don't recall > how to do it, so i'd say look at the manpage (RTFM, it's what I do :P) Crazy noob questions: I'm in the MAN pages, and found edit-key adduid. The command "gpg --edit-key adduid" only takes me back to a root command prompt. What am I missing? I've also tried adding a full uid behind the command, and still get sent back to the command prompt. The main key and fingerprint are still there, but no additional uids show up... :( Help? (I have 3 terminals open to do/see all of this...) Also, below that command is the further command "addphoto". Would it be worthwhile to add one to an already large key? What would be the benefits/drawbacks? > >> 3. Since I can't make the signing party due to teaching commitments, how >> can I get them signed? > You'll have to work out that with someone. Usually you'd have to meet > with the people. The point of the party is to entice people to come > with pizza and socialization ;D I could wish, but I'm teaching that night, and, I think, neither the students nor my boss would approve of my ditching class for this. I could wish... >> >>> 4. What then? >> >> You can use the key to sign your mails to the satlug mailing list :D Touche! And thanks to all who've commented on my plight. Your help is greatly appreciated. Cheers; Ed >> >> >> From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Mar 3 13:12:04 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Mar 3 13:12:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <47CC4643.6080801@gmail.com> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> <20080303113442.qsl60lgrs4cg8ocs@shlrm.org> <47CC4643.6080801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080303131204.jdpk2blassk4sgws@shlrm.org> Quoting ed : > David Kowis wrote: >> Quoting ed : >>> >>> This a great response, and I've saved the web site for later perusal, >>> but it doesn't address my primary questions: >>> >>> 1. Once I've generated a key-pair (and I have...), how do I find the >>> fingerprint, aside from the screen shot I saved? >> >> gpg --fingerprint [email or key-id] > Hmm. Ok. I used the command "gpg --fingerprint", but without any > modifiers, and got a host of other keys besides my own. Mine's at the > tail-end. How might I have wound up with these other keys? Are they > important? I believe you're missing the keyid or email address gpg --fingerprint dkowis@shlrm.org would show you the fingerprint for my key. Not specifying the keyid shows the fingerpritns for all the public keys that you have. Those other public keys are needed to verify the signatures made by other people. I reccomend reading up on the concept of Public Key Infrastructure. It's how GPG works. >> >>> 2. Do I need to do a separate key-pair/fingerprint for each email >>> address I use? >> >> Nope. You can add multiple email addresses to the key. I don't recall >> how to do it, so i'd say look at the manpage (RTFM, it's what I do :P) > Crazy noob questions: I'm in the MAN pages, and found edit-key adduid. > The command "gpg --edit-key adduid" only takes me back to a root command > prompt. What am I missing? I've also tried adding a full uid behind > the command, and still get sent back to the command prompt. The main > key and fingerprint are still there, but no additional uids show up... > :( Help? (I have 3 terminals open to do/see all of this...) I believe you need to specify the keyid for the key you want to edit. gpg --edit-key dkowis@shlrm.org then you can add emails to it. > > Also, below that command is the further command "addphoto". Would it be > worthwhile to add one to an already large key? What would be the > benefits/drawbacks? The key probably isn't too large. I've never added a photo, so >> >>> 3. Since I can't make the signing party due to teaching commitments, how >>> can I get them signed? >> You'll have to work out that with someone. Usually you'd have to meet >> with the people. The point of the party is to entice people to come >> with pizza and socialization ;D > I could wish, but I'm teaching that night, and, I think, neither the > students nor my boss would approve of my ditching class for this. I > could wish... >>> >>>> 4. What then? >>> >>> You can use the key to sign your mails to the satlug mailing list :D > Touche! And thanks to all who've commented on my plight. Your help is > greatly appreciated. > > Cheers; > Ed > >>> >>> >>> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > !DSPAM:2,47cc4659230171979320250! > > -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Mar 3 12:56:15 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Mar 3 13:15:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Job postings for UT Austin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/1/08, Brad Knowles wrote: > We've got a number of positions open at UT Austin in the IT Services > group, but I'm not sure where would be the appropriate place to post > those on the SATLUG website, or mailing list, or whatever. Well, I still haven't gotten a solid answer as to whether or not it's appropriate to post these kinds of messages directly to the SATLUG list, but I have gotten a number of messages indicating interest. Anyway, at the very least I can at least tell you that I've put a post up over on the AustinLUG.org Jobs Forum page at . -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 13:26:37 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Mar 3 13:26:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <20080303131204.jdpk2blassk4sgws@shlrm.org> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> <20080303113442.qsl60lgrs4cg8ocs@shlrm.org> <47CC4643.6080801@gmail.com> <20080303131204.jdpk2blassk4sgws@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <47CC50ED.3020606@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > Quoting ed : > >> David Kowis wrote: >>> Quoting ed : >>>> >>>> This a great response, and I've saved the web site for later perusal, >>>> but it doesn't address my primary questions: >>>> >>>> 1. Once I've generated a key-pair (and I have...), how do I find the >>>> fingerprint, aside from the screen shot I saved? >>> >>> gpg --fingerprint [email or key-id] >> Hmm. Ok. I used the command "gpg --fingerprint", but without any >> modifiers, and got a host of other keys besides my own. Mine's at the >> tail-end. How might I have wound up with these other keys? Are they >> important? > > I believe you're missing the keyid or email address > gpg --fingerprint dkowis@shlrm.org would show you the fingerprint for > my key. Not specifying the keyid shows the fingerpritns for all the > public keys that you have. Those other public keys are needed to > verify the signatures made by other people. I reccomend reading up on > the concept of Public Key Infrastructure. It's how GPG works. > >>> >>>> 2. Do I need to do a separate key-pair/fingerprint for each email >>>> address I use? >>> >>> Nope. You can add multiple email addresses to the key. I don't recall >>> how to do it, so i'd say look at the manpage (RTFM, it's what I do :P) >> Crazy noob questions: I'm in the MAN pages, and found edit-key adduid. >> The command "gpg --edit-key adduid" only takes me back to a root command >> prompt. What am I missing? I've also tried adding a full uid behind >> the command, and still get sent back to the command prompt. The main >> key and fingerprint are still there, but no additional uids show up... >> :( Help? (I have 3 terminals open to do/see all of this...) > > I believe you need to specify the keyid for the key you want to edit. > > gpg --edit-key dkowis@shlrm.org -- then you can add emails to it. Strangely enough, I stumbled into the interactive command structure about as soon as I sent off this response. So now, I have all my email addresses included in my key/fingerprint -- at least, they show up when I do a gpg fingerprint [email] in a terminal. What next? > >> >> Also, below that command is the further command "addphoto". Would it be >> worthwhile to add one to an already large key? What would be the >> benefits/drawbacks? > > The key probably isn't too large. I've never added a photo, so Actually, I think I'll pass on this one. My signature is likely large enough. > >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> !DSPAM:2,47cc4659230171979320250! >> >> From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Mar 3 13:31:19 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Mar 3 13:31:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <47CC50ED.3020606@gmail.com> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47CC0628.3070309@gmail.com> <20080303110123.my22z0qazo0cgoos@shlrm.org> <47CC3513.2090806@gmail.com> <20080303113442.qsl60lgrs4cg8ocs@shlrm.org> <47CC4643.6080801@gmail.com> <20080303131204.jdpk2blassk4sgws@shlrm.org> <47CC50ED.3020606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080303133119.dw55oiw6n0g0g0oc@shlrm.org> Quoting ed : > David Kowis wrote: >> Quoting ed : >> >>> David Kowis wrote: >>>> Quoting ed : >>>>> >>>>> This a great response, and I've saved the web site for later perusal, >>>>> but it doesn't address my primary questions: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Once I've generated a key-pair (and I have...), how do I find the >>>>> fingerprint, aside from the screen shot I saved? >>>> >>>> gpg --fingerprint [email or key-id] >>> Hmm. Ok. I used the command "gpg --fingerprint", but without any >>> modifiers, and got a host of other keys besides my own. Mine's at the >>> tail-end. How might I have wound up with these other keys? Are they >>> important? >> >> I believe you're missing the keyid or email address >> gpg --fingerprint dkowis@shlrm.org would show you the fingerprint for >> my key. Not specifying the keyid shows the fingerpritns for all the >> public keys that you have. Those other public keys are needed to >> verify the signatures made by other people. I reccomend reading up on >> the concept of Public Key Infrastructure. It's how GPG works. >> >>>> >>>>> 2. Do I need to do a separate key-pair/fingerprint for each email >>>>> address I use? >>>> >>>> Nope. You can add multiple email addresses to the key. I don't recall >>>> how to do it, so i'd say look at the manpage (RTFM, it's what I do :P) >>> Crazy noob questions: I'm in the MAN pages, and found edit-key adduid. >>> The command "gpg --edit-key adduid" only takes me back to a root command >>> prompt. What am I missing? I've also tried adding a full uid behind >>> the command, and still get sent back to the command prompt. The main >>> key and fingerprint are still there, but no additional uids show up... >>> :( Help? (I have 3 terminals open to do/see all of this...) >> >> I believe you need to specify the keyid for the key you want to edit. >> >> gpg --edit-key dkowis@shlrm.org -- then you can add emails to it. > Strangely enough, I stumbled into the interactive command structure > about as soon as I sent off this response. So now, I have all my email > addresses included in my key/fingerprint -- at least, they show up when > I do a gpg fingerprint [email] in a terminal. What next? Well that all depends on what you want to do with it. I'd reccomend reading things on how to sign emails using your client of choice. Perhaps read up on how to sign files and encrypt files using GPG. Read up on how to upload your public key to a keyserver. Take measures to ensure the safety of your private key. There's lots of different directions to go from here, most of which involve determining what you want to do with the keypair you've just generated. As for the keysigning party, you can now just follow the destructions listed on the xcssa page. -- David Kowis ================================================================== | www.ronpaul2008.com | www.sourcemage.org | | Ron Paul for President! | SourceMage GNU/Linux | ================================================================== From j at jvpappas.net Tue Mar 4 09:17:53 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Mar 4 09:17:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Quality Open Office Templates for Flyers In-Reply-To: <24ees3drt8hqs71jdqpvc2csptv8c562d9@4ax.com> References: <24ees3drt8hqs71jdqpvc2csptv8c562d9@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450803040717p6f46f9a0i35e6cd0dc3ae0b6@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Don Wright wrote: > On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:22:47 -0600, "Chris Lemire" > wrote: > > >I've been all over google with no luck. I only found web pages that > confused > >me and was not what I was looking for. Has anyone found templates OO > Writer > >Flyers? > > You didn't find anything useful on the OOo website? > http://documentation.openoffice.org/Samples_Templates/index.html > > What kind of flyer are you looking for? (page size, paper size, folded, > one or two sides, ...) Have you looked in the Impress (like PowerPoint) > samples as well as the Writer samples? > > With a little more info, perhaps someone will offer specific solutions. > --Don Check out Oxygen Office Professional (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop). They build OOo Extensions for Templates/Clipart/etc. You can just download the extensions and install them in OOo 2.3.x. HTH, jp From j at jvpappas.net Tue Mar 4 17:20:08 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Mar 4 17:20:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 3d effects and ATi In-Reply-To: References: <8CA47B6456E0DDF-8A8-3022@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <1204334778.4267.14.camel@phlat1.satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450803041520k4923886clfe908f5dff7f9353@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Kristian Erik Hermansen < kristian.hermansen@gmail.com> wrote: > My praises for SuSE: > * LDAP, Active Directory, and Windows integration are top notch > * Looks very slick during/after installation > * Excellent 64-bit support Agree. > Here are my criticisms of SuSE: > * Lack of quality software packages > Not sure I can comment accurately, but I assume that you are talking about the default repo set. Much like the Multiverse repo in Ubuntu, without the 3rd party repos (PackMan, ATI/NVidia, Mozilla, Openoffice, VLC, Madwifi, etc) there is a lack of software. Once those repos are added, there is a much wider selection, along with updates. * Software repositories are slow Yeah. They are working on it, but I agree. APT is WAAAYYY faster. > * Third-party software sources required to install many applications > (some without hashes/keys) Yep, comments above apply here. > * SuSE assumes too much about you using the GUI tools if you have > graphics installed Not sure what you mean here, but I can probably relate. I have a couple of CLI only boxes, and I love yast (ncurses) via screen. * SuSE does not follow standard networking config files (name of file > is appended with MAC address? wtf???) True. Those germans ;) > * SuSE is a DVD installer, not a single CD Live/Installer combined > (requiring waste of bandwidth, and time) 10.3 changed that a bit. You choose the CD/WM combo (i386/KDE) ISO and it is a single (minus non-OSS) CD install. I am not sure if it is live or not. * Lack of fast mirrors to download the ISO image(s) Maybe. I have not had any problems. I use ANL and kernel.org. * Laid off AppArmor developers after they created an exceptional > software package ... ridiculous! Agreed. > * SuSE is owned by Novell, and Netware is dead. They got into the > Linux space to fill that void and own a piece of the action... > True, although not sure why this is a con, as more commercial action with linux will (generally speaking) help overall adoption. > * Someone I know who previously worked at SuSE told me something that > makes me doubt they have the will to provide a long-term commitment to > the distro... Time will tell. Fortunately, application specific data (minus possibly the Novell apps) will survive such a failure. At that point, "Choice" provides us a path to adopt another distro ;) From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Tue Mar 4 20:51:07 2008 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Tue Mar 4 20:51:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] hardware times? Message-ID: <26745689.176831204685467291.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> Is there a way to see how much time the system is spending servicing hardware interrupts/requests? I think I might have some bad hardware and would like to see if I m right. Running Ubuntu 7.10. I can't think of how to phrase it so google would return productive results. Thanks. Richard From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 21:15:35 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Mar 4 21:15:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Sierra Aircard 595U and Linux GPS Message-ID: <869de8470803041915g45b8fedbi7b9d662dde0fe52d@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, got a tough one for ya. I have the Sprint Aircard 595U which allows me to have cellular internet service wherever I am. It's a USB device and in Windows it shows up and through use of the proprietary Sprint connection manager (or a MS-DUN connection) you can bring up the cellular internet connection. The Sprint aircard has GPS built in and through use of the connection manager I can turn it on and off at will. In Windows, the device shows up with three serial ports, one is the actual data service, one is the GPS NMEA port and the third is a port monitor of some sort. (I am guessing that is how the connection manager is able to poll the device without interrupting either the GPS data flow or the network connection. Using a freeware app from download.com called "gps_diag" I was able to attach to the GPS port and see the NMEA strings come from the device as long as the connection manager had GPS turned on. In Linux (ubuntu 7.10) I plug the device in and it shows up as three serial ports, /dev/ttyUSB0 - /dev/ttyUSB2 I configured KPPP to use /dev/ttyUSB0 and am able to get online. This part of the process was quite painless and easily executed. The part I have questions about is how do I get the GPS port to work? I have tried working with the three serial ports and GPSd but to no avail. In windows, I can open up the GPS port as defined by the connection manager and issue the GPS polling commands, but in Linux, when I attach to the same port, I get nothing, no response. Does anyone out there have any idea how to enable the GPS connection without having to resort to Sprint's proprietary and windows only software? Thanks in advance. FIRESTORM_v1 From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 21:47:13 2008 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Mar 4 21:47:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Quality Open Office Templates for Flyers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ee65edd0803041947r68093e70ga92fd41a10595d07@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > I've been all over google with no luck. I only found web pages that confused > me and was not what I was looking for. Has anyone found templates OO Writer > Flyers? I've got to make dozens and dozens, and what I mean is that for each > one of the dozen Flyers I create, they must be printed out several times as > well. Thanks for the help and support. > > -- > Christopher Lemire Christopher, Not sure about OO, but you might look into Scribus. It's a Desktop Publisher that lets you make flyers and such, and you can even output them into pdf format. Ed From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Mar 4 21:58:09 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue Mar 4 21:58:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] hardware times? Message-ID: >From : rsuberg >Is there a way to see how much time the system is >spending servicing hardware interrupts/requests? I >think I might have some bad hardware and would like >to see if I m right. Running Ubuntu 7.10. I can't >think of how to phrase it so google would return >productive results. Thanks. -------------------- Run < top > from the command line and see what taking up the resources. Lou From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Tue Mar 4 22:23:05 2008 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Tue Mar 4 22:23:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] hardware times? Message-ID: <2004421.184661204690985957.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> Are there specific processes to look for that handle the hardware? Everything I see looks like regular processes: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 9518 root 15 0 77316 21m 6772 S 9.0 3.4 0:49.12 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm 10098 ubuntu 15 0 58976 16m 10m R 1.0 2.5 0:01.64 gnome-terminal 10134 ubuntu 15 0 2316 1168 888 R 0.3 0.2 0:16.69 top 1 root 16 0 2912 1848 524 S 0.0 0.3 0:01.65 /sbin/init 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [migration/0] 3 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [ksoftirqd/0] 4 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [watchdog/0] 5 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [events/0] 6 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 [khelper] 7 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [kthread] 30 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [kblockd/0] 31 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [kacpid] 32 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [kacpi_notify] 115 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 [kseriod] 136 root 16 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [pdflush] 137 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [pdflush] 138 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 [kswapd0] 139 root 11 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [aio/0] 1952 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [ksuspend_usbd] 1953 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [khubd] 2008 root 14 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [scsi_eh_0] 2693 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.17 [ata/0] 2694 root 12 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [ata_aux] 2701 root 13 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [scsi_eh_1] 2702 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [scsi_eh_2] 4082 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.85 [loop0] 6989 root 12 -4 2888 1236 376 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.64 /sbin/udevd --daemon 8107 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [kpsmoused] 8164 root 18 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 [kgameportd] 8766 root 22 0 2756 1200 928 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.02 /bin/login -f 8769 root 23 0 2756 1200 928 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.01 /bin/login -f 8773 ubuntu 18 0 5588 3104 1440 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.26 -bash ---- "scs@worldlinkisp.com" wrote: > >From : rsuberg > >Is there a way to see how much time the system is > >spending servicing hardware interrupts/requests? I > >think I might have some bad hardware and would like > >to see if I m right. Running Ubuntu 7.10. I can't > >think of how to phrase it so google would return > >productive results. Thanks. > -------------------- > Run < top > from the command line and see what taking > up the resources. > > Lou > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Mar 4 23:56:26 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Tue Mar 4 23:56:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <47CC50ED.3020606@gmail.com> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <20080303131204.jdpk2blassk4sgws@shlrm.org> <47CC50ED.3020606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803042356.26325.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Hey Ed.. Sorry I didn't reply to any of your questions (my laptop's fried and I've been a bit busy as of late)... anyway, it sounds like David and others have helped you along with preparing your key for the keysigning party. Super. On Monday 03 March 2008 13:26, ed wrote: > Strangely enough, I stumbled into the interactive command structure > about as soon as I sent off this response. So now, I have all my email > addresses included in my key/fingerprint -- at least, they show up when > I do a gpg fingerprint [email] in a terminal. What next? Just follow steps 2-3 on the xcssa.org page and you'll be good. As for what you can Do with your GPG keys.. we went over that at last month's XCSSA meeting. Everything from encrypted & digitally signed emails, to file based encryption, full disk (block level) encryption, and even touched on file obfuscation using seganography (hiding files within other files). Fun stuff. [adding a photo] > > The key probably isn't too large. I've never added a photo, so > > Actually, I think I'll pass on this one. My signature is likely large > enough. I added a small-res PNG to mine.. just to see what it was like. It's pretty cool. :) See ya at the party.. :) All other SATLUGgers welcome too.. and BTW David.. We have Pizza at ALL XCSSA events.. Have for 10+ years. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Mar 5 00:19:44 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Mar 5 00:19:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Quality Open Office Templates for Flyers In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450803040717p6f46f9a0i35e6cd0dc3ae0b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <24ees3drt8hqs71jdqpvc2csptv8c562d9@4ax.com> <4c0ec4450803040717p6f46f9a0i35e6cd0dc3ae0b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803050019.45081.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 04 March 2008 09:17, John Pappas wrote: [...] > Check out Oxygen Office Professional > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop). They build OOo Extensions for > Templates/Clipart/etc. You can just download the extensions and install > them in OOo 2.3.x. Sool! Didn't know about the OOP and their templates and clipart! It looks like you can DL just the add on stuff! http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170021&package_id=194091 I'll have to give that a try... :) There's also The Open Clipart folks: http://www.openclipart.org/ Funny this is being discussed here.. I've seen that same question (more about oo-draw, dia and clipart) discussed on a couple of other lists. Guess now that it has.. it will come out in Linux Journal in a month or two (as always happens when I see that happen).. ;) Tweeks > > HTH, > jp From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Mar 5 01:38:17 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Mar 5 01:38:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] followup2: socket 7 CPU temperature In-Reply-To: <20060126170632.7062FDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> References: <20060126170632.7062FDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> Message-ID: <200803050138.17359.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 26 January 2006 11:06, Bob Tracy wrote: > One site that still sells Peltier coolers w/fan+heatsink has one with a > temperature regulator that attempts to maintain the hot side of the > cooler at 38+-3 degrees C. Looks like that's my target temperature. > > Right now, I'm strongly leaning toward retiring the Peltier... It has > cost me at least one CPU that I know of, and there are a few decent > (as in, not cheap) fan+heatsink combinations that appear to be more > than capable of handling what the K6-III/450 puts out at 100% > utilization. > > (Am I just talking to myself, or is anyone actually interested in this > topic? I'll go away now...) Kelly had some good pointers there.. i would just add that I'm a big fan of heat sink lapping. basically very find sanding of the heat sink/CPU interface to a mirror finish. This alone has taken 20 degrees (F) of some of the hot systems I've worked on. More info can be found here: http://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/lapping/ The result is a cooler running system.. which in turn will turn it's won fan down.. which will be a quiet system too. :) In fact.. I just did this tonight on my laptop's heat sink/pipe system. Very nice. But my point here is that there's no need to spend $50 on a ultra cool looking, flashing LED fan/sink system. Just be sure to get a very high quality fan (since that's the thing that dies and kills everything else), lap your heat sink, don't glob on too much heat sink compound (BTW.. the silver stuff it ok and will knock a couple of extra degrees off). BTW.. also unclocking or under-volt-ing a CPU/mobo is another way to make a very cool system. I actually do this to the point that I can remove the CPU fan all together! No moving parts = high reliability. Just be sure to properly (and carefully0 stress test such a system, of you'll let the smoke genie out.. ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Mar 5 01:39:32 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Mar 5 01:39:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] followup2: socket 7 CPU temperature In-Reply-To: <20060126193026.GA14658@inverness.spoonix.com> References: <20060126170632.7062FDBA1@gherkin.frus.com> <20060126193026.GA14658@inverness.spoonix.com> Message-ID: <200803050139.32288.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> wow.. I just replied to a two year old post. Serves me right for getting on my old desktop this late.. ;) Tweeks From j at jvpappas.net Wed Mar 5 16:45:26 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Mar 5 16:45:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Sierra Aircard 595U and Linux GPS In-Reply-To: <869de8470803041915g45b8fedbi7b9d662dde0fe52d@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470803041915g45b8fedbi7b9d662dde0fe52d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450803051445u3ee421c8s6620ed1f9b17a922@mail.gmail.com> I have Novatels (u727, EX720, S720) myself. I have not found anyone who has been able to use the GPS capability in Linux. The Stompbox had to add an external GPS receiver to add that capability, even though they had a card that has a GPS port). All that I have read indicates that there is a port-knocking-like sequence sent by the software to allow comm with the GPS port, but nobody has determined how to hold their ear while rubbing their right toe and wiggling left thumb. I would love to capitalize on that capability as well (incidentally, the phones with GPS have the same issue, but maybe a different cause). Please share if you do find an answer! jp On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:15 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Hello all, got a tough one for ya. > > I have the Sprint Aircard 595U which allows me to have cellular internet > service wherever I am. It's a USB device and in Windows it shows up and > through use of the proprietary Sprint connection manager (or a MS-DUN > connection) you can bring up the cellular internet connection. > > The Sprint aircard has GPS built in and through use of the connection > manager I can turn it on and off at will. In Windows, the device shows up > with three serial ports, one is the actual data service, one is the GPS > NMEA > port and the third is a port monitor of some sort. (I am guessing that is > how the connection manager is able to poll the device without interrupting > either the GPS data flow or the network connection. Using a freeware app > from download.com called "gps_diag" I was able to attach to the GPS port > and > see the NMEA strings come from the device as long as the connection > manager > had GPS turned on. > > In Linux (ubuntu 7.10) I plug the device in and it shows up as three > serial > ports, /dev/ttyUSB0 - /dev/ttyUSB2 I configured KPPP to use /dev/ttyUSB0 > and am able to get online. This part of the process was quite painless > and > easily executed. The part I have questions about is how do I get the GPS > port to work? I have tried working with the three serial ports and GPSd > but > to no avail. In windows, I can open up the GPS port as defined by the > connection manager and issue the GPS polling commands, but in Linux, when > I > attach to the same port, I get nothing, no response. > > Does anyone out there have any idea how to enable the GPS connection > without > having to resort to Sprint's proprietary and windows only software? > > Thanks in advance. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 19:17:30 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Wed Mar 5 19:17:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Sierra Aircard 595U and Linux GPS In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450803051445u3ee421c8s6620ed1f9b17a922@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470803041915g45b8fedbi7b9d662dde0fe52d@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450803051445u3ee421c8s6620ed1f9b17a922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470803051717l34dffad3ue2cd89d9d9e802cb@mail.gmail.com> believe me, I intend to. This could make me rich.. or famous, ahh to hell with it, I just want the thing to work and if others can also benefit from my work, then all the better. :) I have a serial protocol analyzer that I downloaded for Windows that actually does do a decent job. The thing that had me was that it came from one of those top level domains that scream spyware and spam, but it didn't ask for anything, just gave me an opportunity to download. I did, then ran antivirus, antispyware until I was satisfied it didn't do anything nasty. I'm going to do a complete write up on this and *prays to the hardware gods* there is a slim, like anorexic chance that I have the vendor's support on this. Now, if I can just get the bit-banging right.... I'll update this thread as i am able to decipher the protocol. FIRESTORM_v1 On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:45 PM, John Pappas wrote: > I have Novatels (u727, EX720, S720) myself. I have not found anyone who > has been able to use the GPS capability in Linux. The Stompbox had to add > an external GPS receiver to add that capability, even though they had a > card > that has a GPS port). All that I have read indicates that there is a > port-knocking-like sequence sent by the software to allow comm with the > GPS > port, but nobody has determined how to hold their ear while rubbing their > right toe and wiggling left thumb. I would love to capitalize on that > capability as well (incidentally, the phones with GPS have the same issue, > but maybe a different cause). > > Please share if you do find an answer! > jp > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:15 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 > wrote: > > > Hello all, got a tough one for ya. > > > > I have the Sprint Aircard 595U which allows me to have cellular internet > > service wherever I am. It's a USB device and in Windows it shows up and > > through use of the proprietary Sprint connection manager (or a MS-DUN > > connection) you can bring up the cellular internet connection. > > > > The Sprint aircard has GPS built in and through use of the connection > > manager I can turn it on and off at will. In Windows, the device shows > up > > with three serial ports, one is the actual data service, one is the GPS > > NMEA > > port and the third is a port monitor of some sort. (I am guessing that > is > > how the connection manager is able to poll the device without > interrupting > > either the GPS data flow or the network connection. Using a freeware > app > > from download.com called "gps_diag" I was able to attach to the GPS port > > and > > see the NMEA strings come from the device as long as the connection > > manager > > had GPS turned on. > > > > In Linux (ubuntu 7.10) I plug the device in and it shows up as three > > serial > > ports, /dev/ttyUSB0 - /dev/ttyUSB2 I configured KPPP to use > /dev/ttyUSB0 > > and am able to get online. This part of the process was quite painless > > and > > easily executed. The part I have questions about is how do I get the > GPS > > port to work? I have tried working with the three serial ports and GPSd > > but > > to no avail. In windows, I can open up the GPS port as defined by the > > connection manager and issue the GPS polling commands, but in Linux, > when > > I > > attach to the same port, I get nothing, no response. > > > > Does anyone out there have any idea how to enable the GPS connection > > without > > having to resort to Sprint's proprietary and windows only software? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Mar 5 23:43:53 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (tweeks) Date: Wed Mar 5 23:43:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Pre-GPG Keysigning Party "To-Do Steps" (if you want your key signed March 17th) In-Reply-To: <200803042356.26325.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200803030151.12311.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <47CC50ED.3020606@gmail.com> <200803042356.26325.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200803052343.53532.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> We've only got a couple of GPG keys in for signing for the upcoming keysigning party... If anyone's having problems with the required three pre-meeting steps (here: http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-03-17.html), then please feel free to contact me off-list at tweeks-junk2 at theweeks d0t 0rg and I'll help get your initial GPG key set up, ascii armored and sent over to us for inclusion in the keysigning participant list. :) Take care.. Tweeks From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Mar 7 12:37:23 2008 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Fri Mar 7 12:37:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Tomorrow, March 8 Message-ID: <0e23t31be9mfln3housgtc3837o0qg6ish@4ax.com> Just a quick reminder that SATLUG will be at the San Antonio Computer Show and Super-Sale at the Live Oak Civic Center. The event is Tomorrow, Saturday, March 8, 2008, from 9AM to 5PM. SATLUG will be demonstrating the Open Office suite of applications running on Linux. See www.PCshowS.com for a discount coupon for the admission price and info on the door prizes and other vendors. See you there! --Don -- Darkness and stillness, * /"\ thought fades as vapor. * \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Tanj! The UPS has died! * X Against HTML Mail -- Dvon, 2002 * / \ From j at jvpappas.net Fri Mar 7 14:08:23 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Mar 7 14:08:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Forensic Analysis Needed... Message-ID: <4c0ec4450803071208n18ee1de6j13d731cea1640b61@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I have a need for a (light) forensic job done. I am not a security pro, so I cannot perform this task as rapidly as one who is. This is a for-pay requirement, I expect it to only take a couple of hours. It is a basic misbehaving employee scenario, and the end goal is to collect some evidence to allow for official counseling of subject. It is a Windows/IE setup, so thus the OT designation for this thread. Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks! jp From dubose at texas.net Sat Mar 8 14:40:48 2008 From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose) Date: Sat Mar 8 14:41:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] PC Show Message-ID: <47D2F9D0.50109@texas.net> SATLUG as usual had a good booth at the PC show...good going guys. We need a few more individuals to standby and answer questions and "run the show" so the guys who start out can take a break for a couple of hours. Maybe next time 8-12 chairs can be put together is some area and have a 30 minute "talk" about linux for anyone interested. Alsowe might want tohave a demo on how to load Ubuntu or other simple install. Walt From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Mar 8 16:12:49 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Mar 8 16:12:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] podcast saving to file Message-ID: <200803082212.m28MCnZr019776@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I am trying to capture the output of a podcast from the command line, but am not sure how to capture the stream to a file I can play back later. I can open the link in firefox and play it on my computer, but there is no option to capture the podcast as a file, although the entire stream according to the application is buffered on the playing application. How do I do that? I was sort of successful just recording it, but that requires to play the entire show, and the sound was somewhat distorted. I'd rather save the streamed data to file - any way to do that? Thanks, -Borries From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 18:47:20 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Mar 8 18:47:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] PC Show In-Reply-To: <47D2F9D0.50109@texas.net> References: <47D2F9D0.50109@texas.net> Message-ID: <47D33398.3030107@gmail.com> Walt DuBose wrote: > SATLUG as usual had a good booth at the PC show...good going guys. > > We need a few more individuals to standby and answer questions and > "run the show" so the guys who start out can take a break for a couple > of hours. > > Maybe next time 8-12 chairs can be put together is some area and have > a 30 minute "talk" about linux for anyone interested. Alsowe might > want tohave a demo on how to load Ubuntu or other simple install. > > Walt The real fun is in "watching the lights come on" for folk willing to stand around and hear us talk. That alone was worth my trip. We had 3-4 different distros running (Puppy, pcPuppyOS, Ubuntu and Debian), several how-to sessions, several demos of audio/video/games, and a compare/contrast between Microsoft PowerPoint on a Vista laptop and OpenOffice Present on an Ubuntu laptop. (I personally think it looks better in the Linux environment!) We also had a few glitches. Once upon a time, I thought I was the only one who couldn't get a wireless laptop online with Linux. Today, apparently, I was the only one who could. We might need a little more emphasis in here on wireless networking. Cheers! Ed/the0wl From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 18:58:35 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Mar 8 18:58:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] podcast saving to file In-Reply-To: <200803082212.m28MCnZr019776@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200803082212.m28MCnZr019776@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0803081658g7ba44ca3n25148bc750196587@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Borries Demeler wrote: > I am trying to capture the output of a podcast from the command line, > but am not sure how to capture the stream to a file I can play back later. > I can open the link in firefox and play it on my computer, but there is no > option to capture the podcast as a file, although the entire stream according > to the application is buffered on the playing application. How do I do that? If Firefox was able to open it, try copying the URL and pasting it to mplayer: mplayer -vo null -ao pcm http://some.url.com/podcast If that doesn't work try adding the '-playlist' option after -ao pcm -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Mar 8 19:55:32 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Mar 8 19:55:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] podcast saving to file In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0803081658g7ba44ca3n25148bc750196587@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803090155.m291tWgh009517@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Borries Demeler > wrote: > > I am trying to capture the output of a podcast from the command line, > > but am not sure how to capture the stream to a file I can play back later. > > I can open the link in firefox and play it on my computer, but there is no > > option to capture the podcast as a file, although the entire stream according > > to the application is buffered on the playing application. How do I do that? > > If Firefox was able to open it, try copying the URL and pasting it to mplayer: > > mplayer -vo null -ao pcm http://some.url.com/podcast > > If that doesn't work try adding the '-playlist' option after -ao pcm Neither worked for me. -b. > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu Sun Mar 9 11:05:30 2008 From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell) Date: Sun Mar 9 11:05:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless paradox Message-ID: <47D40ACA.507@cis.sac.accd.edu> At the computer show we had a lot of action and I believe helped a lot of people. I don't know how many cds were sold but all of the flyers and business cards were taken before 3pm. We had so many people the Owner asked if we were having a private convention. During the last 3 hours the APCO rep. spent more time at our table than his own. Lot of the SATLUG regulars came by to help/pester everyone. I believe we all had a good time including Walt with a laptop who I believe had a running wireless Linux. During the show we had some interesting paradoxes with wireless cards. Eddie bought a new pcmcia "Atheros Chipset" which we set up madwifi module for. I had in another dell with a intel ipw3945 running native drivers for FC8. Nathan had a setup with Puppy Linux that worked somes times and some times not. Both Nathans and my Dells' 3945 work great with wireless else where especially at SAC, during meetings. Another SATLUGer who teaches at Palo Alto College who was a lot of help at the show, sorry bad at names, was running the bcmwl5 windows driver with ndiswrapper and was perfectly connected as was my Macbook running osx. The paradox is his will not connect at SAC. SAC uses a brandx wireless setup and the Universal City CC uses a cisco wireless access point. Now a big assumption that all were setup correctly, I know a BIG assumption but we checked the settings, what could be the possible problems we should look into. BTW Windows worked perfectly on both Dells in UCCC and at SAC, and the Mac well it always works. The Dell e1405 is running FC8 with native ipw3945 intel drives, The Dell C640 running two different Atheros Pcmcia cards (Linksys and Airport101) with correct madwifi module loaded. Both Dells see the cards as Wlan0 but could not scan or find the LCOO-wireless network at the UCCC. The compaq with the bcmwl5 running ndiswrapper finds LCOO-wireless but not at SAC. Is it a driver/access point combination or just a quirk with each different setup. I believe Nathan was running Puppy Linux on a Compaq but I don't remember the card and/or native/ndiswrapper setup. I'm looking for sources/setting to research and follow up on more than flame remarks. It would be nice to have a set of procedures that would be fool proof if you have a supported chipset. We sure missed Nate Durr being there to solve all our weird problems but Nate is a new Dad and is enjoying a new frontier. This could be a birds of a feather session at the OpenFest but we need some real guidance as to some procedures. I've sucessfully set up ndiswrapper and madwifi following the how-to's and feel competent with ifconfig, iwconfig, iwlist etc. Not being to get a good card to work with FC8 on a good machine with all the web resources at our disposal is frustrating. There has to be some cutting edge ideas or procedures out there that can be applied in this kind of situation. The fact the ndiswrapper worked but doesn't work at SAC where the only difference is the access point or is there more to this story. Thanks -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu Personal email should be directed to gboswellsac@yahoo.com San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 "Freedom is not FREE", let us never forget. "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous From hharadon at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 16:05:04 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sun Mar 9 16:05:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG podcast saving to file Message-ID: > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:55:32 -0600 (CST) > From: Borries Demeler > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] podcast saving to file > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: <200803090155.m291tWgh009517@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Borries Demeler > > wrote: > > > I am trying to capture the output of a podcast from the command line, > > > but am not sure how to capture the stream to a file I can play back later. > > > I can open the link in firefox and play it on my computer, but there is no > > > option to capture the podcast as a file, although the entire stream according > > > to the application is buffered on the playing application. How do I do that? > > > > If Firefox was able to open it, try copying the URL and pasting it to mplayer: > > > > mplayer -vo null -ao pcm http://some.url.com/podcast > > > > If that doesn't work try adding the '-playlist' option after -ao pcm > > Neither worked for me. Hi, it looks like the mencorder function of mplayer may be the solution. I would google around with a search string that had "mencorder how to record podcast" in it to see what might work. Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:10:23 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sun Mar 9 18:10:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless paradox In-Reply-To: <47D40ACA.507@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <47D40ACA.507@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <47D46E5F.8090002@gmail.com> gboswell wrote: > At the computer show we had a lot of action and I believe helped a lot > of people. I don't know how many cds were sold but all of the flyers > and business cards were taken before 3pm. We had so many people the > Owner asked if we were having a private convention. During the last 3 > hours the APCO (Alamo PC group) rep. spent more time at our table > than his own. Lot of the SATLUG regulars came by to help/pester > everyone. I believe we all had a good time including Walt with a > laptop who I believe had a running wireless Linux. > > During the show we had some interesting paradoxes with wireless cards. > Eddie bought a new pcmcia "Atheros Chipset" which we set up madwifi > module for. I had in another dell with a intel ipw3945 running native > drivers for FC8. Nathan had a setup with Puppy Linux that worked somes > times and some times not. Both Nathans and my Dells' 3945 work great > with wireless elsewhere especially at SAC, during meetings. Another > SATLUGer who teaches at Palo Alto College, who was a lot of help at > the show, sorry bad at names, was running the bcmwl5 windows driver > with ndiswrapper and was perfectly connected, as was my Macbook > running osx. That's me -- Ed. And I had the devil's own time configuring iwconfig/ndiswrapper (Acer 3050 with Broadcom 4318 air card) under Ubuntu 7.04, but it wraps neatly out of the box in Ubuntu 7.10. Not "native," by any stretch (Broadcom is still not forthcoming with it's driver specs...), but close enough from what I see at home, and what I got yesterday at UCCC/LCOO. I get DHCP IP assignments quicker now under Linux than I do with Windoze. My Dell Latitude D610 running Windoze Vista also hit the LCOO network just fine, too, but much more slowly than did my Acer running Ubuntu 7.10. > The paradox is his will not connect at SAC. SAC uses a brandx > wireless setup and the Universal City CC uses a cisco wireless access > point. Actually, I think I may have tumbled to the problem of logging in via Linux/wireless at SAC, as I have the same exact problem at the Kelly ATC: there, I can login both wired and wireless under Windoze (XP), and with a wire under Linux/Ubuntu, but NOT wirelessly. At last month's SATLUG meeting, I, and several other folk, had the same issues at SAC: wires worked ok, but wireless didn't. I think it might have something to do with the "Aruba Networks" login page we have to hit before getting out to the web. I think, somewhere in there, there's a significant conflict between its configuration and the way Linux/ndiswrapper handles wireless communication. -- just a thought... The UCCC router looked, from a distance, like a LinkSys (Cisco) WTR54G, similar to the one I have at home. I had about 54% signal strength for most of the afternoon in both machines. It'd be interesting to know, precisely, how far away from the router our table was, and the router's current firmware version. > > Now a big assumption that all were setup correctly, I know a BIG > assumption but we checked the settings, what could be the possible > problems we should look into. BTW Windows worked perfectly on both > Dells in UCCC and at SAC, and the Mac well it always works. The Dell > e1405 is running FC8 with native ipw3945 intel drivers, The Dell C640 > running two different Atheros Pcmcia cards (Linksys and Airport101) > with correct madwifi module loaded. Both Dells see the cards as Wlan0 > but could not scan or find the LCOO-wireless network at the UCCC. The > compaq with the bcmwl5 running ndiswrapper finds LCOO-wireless but not > at SAC. Is it a driver/access point combination or just a quirk with > each different setup. I believe Nathan was running Puppy Linux on a > Compaq but I don't remember the card and/or native/ndiswrapper setup. Again, see my comments above: Maybe one of us could ask the ACCD IT Department for help in evaluating why there's such a disconnect with Linux/ndiswrapper and their wireless network? If both machines (my Acer and the Compaq) running ndiswrapper work well in the LCOO network, but not in ACCD's, then there's likely a problem with ACCD's access controls. That doesn't address why the ones that work within ACCD couldn't see LCOO, but, its an approach... > I'm looking for sources/settings to research and follow up on more > than flame