From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Thu May 1 02:19:56 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Thu May 1 02:19:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] LUKS encrypting logical volumes on Debian Lenny Server In-Reply-To: <4818B69F.90807@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <637533.72776.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Daniel J. Givens" wrote: Chris Lemire wrote: > There's a problem with having LUKS to encrypt everything on the hard drive witch is all in Logical Volume Management. Each time it reboots, it asks for the paraphrase. It would be nice if I could send it the encryption paraphrase over a network connection. What is normally done about this? My server doesn't go down anymore because it has way more cooling than it needs. You guys got to see some picture later that I'll post of this home built heavily modded monster Linux sky scraper. But what if I need to reboot to have the filesystem relabled by SELinux because I changed the Policy Type, or because I want to upgrade to a newer kernel? I have to leave right now. Thanks in advanced. You could use a USB flash drive as a 'key' of sorts. Of course, if you leave that unattended, you've left the keys to the castle, so to speak. The whole point of disk encryption is to make it so the data isn't easily accessible. If someone could simply turn the box on and the system comes up with the encrypted volume mounted, what would be the point? I didn't know I could use keys instead of the encryption paraphrase. Can I have it read keys over a network from another computer? How likely is it that someone is going to come into your place and steal just the disk. And if you're concerned about law enforcement, they're going to take the whole kit. No, I just do this because I can like all the other stuff I do for Linux. It's fun to me. Who knows why? Christopher Lemire SKYPE: fakie_flip AIM: good bye300 IRC: linux_user400354 LQ FORUMS AND YIM: fakie_flip GTALK, JABBER AND MSN: recursivequicksort@jabber.org --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Thu May 1 02:30:39 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Thu May 1 02:30:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Downloading a youtube video and extracting only the audio Message-ID: <620885.56071.qm@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I succesfully downloaded a youtube video in .flv format after lots of googling. However following directions to extract the audio has not worked for me with no obvious reasons to me why. I checked the video I download with VLC. It does have audio. Here's what I've tried to extract the audio. On other places on the net, I saw the same two commands working for others. Here's the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejb8QOyjz-E& In order to get the video.flv, I did some tricky stuff with wget I found from google that worked! I just wished extracting the audio was as easy. Here's how I did it. http://www.go2linux.org/wget-to-download-youtube-videos Attempt #1 [chris@localhost tmp]$ mplayer -dumpaudio video.flv MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.1.2 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (Family: 15, Model: 43, Stepping: 1) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 Compiled with runtime CPU detection. mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing video.flv. libavformat file format detected. [lavf] Video stream found, -vid 0 [lavf] Audio stream found, -aid 1 VIDEO: [FLV1] 320x240 0bpp 25.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) Core dumped ;) Exiting... (End of file) [chris@localhost tmp]$ Attempt #2 [root@localhost tmp]# ffmpeg -i video.flv -f mp3 -vn -acodec copy carsounds2.mp3 FFmpeg version SVN-r10703, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al. configuration: --prefix=/usr --incdir=/usr/include/ffmpeg --libdir=/usr/lib64 --shlibdir=/usr/lib64 --mandir=/usr/share/man --arch=x86_64 --extra-cflags=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic --enable-liba52 --enable-libfaac --enable-libfaad --enable-libgsm --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-pp --enable-pthreads --disable-static --enable-shared --enable-gpl --disable-debug --disable-opts --disable-strip libavutil version: 49.5.0 libavcodec version: 51.45.0 libavformat version: 51.14.0 built on Oct 18 2007 03:18:27, gcc: 4.1.2 20070925 (Red Hat 4.1.2-31) Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 1000.00 (1000/1) -> 25.00 (25/1) Input #0, flv, from 'video.flv': Duration: 00:09:58.7, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 56 kb/s Stream #0.0: Video: flv, yuv420p, 320x240, 25.00 fps(r) Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, mono, 56 kb/s Output #0, mp3, to 'carsounds2.mp3': Stream #0.0: Audio: libmp3lame, 22050 Hz, mono, 56 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0.1 -> #0.0 Press [q] to stop encoding size= 4188kB time=598.8 bitrate= 57.3kbits/s video:0kB audio:4188kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.000746% [root@localhost tmp]# HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you. Christopher Lemire SKYPE: fakie_flip AIM: good bye300 IRC: linux_user400354 LQ FORUMS AND YIM: fakie_flip GTALK, JABBER AND MSN: recursivequicksort@jabber.org --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Thu May 1 03:02:37 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Thu May 1 03:02:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Downloading a youtube video and extracting only the audio In-Reply-To: <620885.56071.qm@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <426360.52248.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, thanks guys. I just solved my own problem. Incase anyone is wondering. Here's how I did it. I used Avidemux. I went to the audio drop down menu and clicked save. It's playing in MPlayer right now. This is stuff I could sleep too :D Of course, I don't need anymore speeding tickets. I get adrenaline rushes. I broke 3 bones in the last two months from two incidences not involving cars. I never wrecked while speeding, but I was once put in a 6-cylindar Pontiac G6 after a lady pulled out in front of me, and her insurance paid for it. That car costed me over $100 in gas a week to drive to SAC and back 5 days a week. I walked away from all of it without any permanent damage. I threw a rod in my Daewoo car that flew through the oil pan and busted two big holes in it, wasn't smart, but that's what I get for driving a Daewoo Leganza like a Ferrari. Here's the Pontiac g6 on my youtube account. noobuntu is me. http://youtube.com/watch?v=bVBsvZyTM6E It can do better, but both videos, it was raining and in that one, I had no straight aways when it was dark. Here's the Daewoo Leganza 02. http://youtube.com/watch?v=XileEDHbV7w You guys ever get speeding tickets, go see the comedian at Funny Bone near Rackspace nick named Arizona. He's got more knowledge than the police on laws of driving, facts, great and funny guy. Best of all, I have a discount on my insurance and no bad driving record except for one speeding ticket a long time ago I just paid. Chris Lemire wrote: I succesfully downloaded a youtube video in .flv format after lots of googling. However following directions to extract the audio has not worked for me with no obvious reasons to me why. I checked the video I download with VLC. It does have audio. Here's what I've tried to extract the audio. On other places on the net, I saw the same two commands working for others. Here's the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejb8QOyjz-E& In order to get the video.flv, I did some tricky stuff with wget I found from google that worked! I just wished extracting the audio was as easy. Here's how I did it. http://www.go2linux.org/wget-to-download-youtube-videos Attempt #1 [chris@localhost tmp]$ mplayer -dumpaudio video.flv MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.1.2 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (Family: 15, Model: 43, Stepping: 1) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 Compiled with runtime CPU detection. mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing video.flv. libavformat file format detected. [lavf] Video stream found, -vid 0 [lavf] Audio stream found, -aid 1 VIDEO: [FLV1] 320x240 0bpp 25.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) Core dumped ;) Exiting... (End of file) [chris@localhost tmp]$ Attempt #2 [root@localhost tmp]# ffmpeg -i video.flv -f mp3 -vn -acodec copy carsounds2.mp3 FFmpeg version SVN-r10703, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al. configuration: --prefix=/usr --incdir=/usr/include/ffmpeg --libdir=/usr/lib64 --shlibdir=/usr/lib64 --mandir=/usr/share/man --arch=x86_64 --extra-cflags=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic --enable-liba52 --enable-libfaac --enable-libfaad --enable-libgsm --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-pp --enable-pthreads --disable-static --enable-shared --enable-gpl --disable-debug --disable-opts --disable-strip libavutil version: 49.5.0 libavcodec version: 51.45.0 libavformat version: 51.14.0 built on Oct 18 2007 03:18:27, gcc: 4.1.2 20070925 (Red Hat 4.1.2-31) Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 1000.00 (1000/1) -> 25.00 (25/1) Input #0, flv, from 'video.flv': Duration: 00:09:58.7, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 56 kb/s Stream #0.0: Video: flv, yuv420p, 320x240, 25.00 fps(r) Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, mono, 56 kb/s Output #0, mp3, to 'carsounds2.mp3': Stream #0.0: Audio: libmp3lame, 22050 Hz, mono, 56 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0.1 -> #0.0 Press [q] to stop encoding size= 4188kB time=598.8 bitrate= 57.3kbits/s video:0kB audio:4188kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.000746% [root@localhost tmp]# HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu May 1 08:54:40 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Thu May 1 08:54:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <931454.8868.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <931454.8868.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1209650080.14872.2.camel@TWB-Laptop-Linux> I dont think that it was meant to be taken literally but was rather meant to express his relief that linux was immune to such intrusive technology. In this case the term "God" is more of a euphemism. lighten up and cut back on the coffee dude Todd On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 10:24 -0700, Chris Lemire wrote: > God doesn't have anything to do with Linux, so there is no thanking him for it. For most dumb americans, this is how it goes. When something good happens they give god the credit. When something bad happens, they blame it on the devil. In this case, you could say the devil created microsoft, but then someone else could say what about devil linux? > > Ernest De Leon wrote: Aside from the subject line showing appreciation for Linux, did I miss > someone saying that God directly "created" Linux? > > E > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > That's a load of BS. God didn't create Linux. If you wanted to say that, > > you might as well said he created MS also. Respect that not everyone > > believes the same as you do. > > > > Dale Crummie wrote: At least we heard about the > > RealID, M$ has kept this rather quite: > > > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2004379751_msftlaw29.html > > > > Makes one wonder what else they've come up with. > > > > -- > > Dale Crummie > > US Army (Vet) > > 7th Grp SF > > SOCOM CTU > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Mobile. Try it now. From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu May 1 08:55:59 2008 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu May 1 08:56:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] LUKS encrypting logical volumes on Debian Lenny Server In-Reply-To: <637533.72776.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <637533.72776.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4819CBEF.3080208@rugmonster.org> Chris Lemire wrote: > I didn't know I could use keys instead of the encryption paraphrase. Can I have it read keys over a network from another computer? No. The point of the USB key is that it's a physical token. When combined with the use of a passphrase, you can leverage the "something you have/something you know" for an additional layer of security. Conceivably, provided you didn't need the encrypted volume immediately at boot, you could put your key file on a network volume and mount that prior to mounting the encrypted volume. > No, I just do this because I can like all the other stuff I do for Linux. It's fun to me. Who knows why? Okay! I completely understand! I just wanted to make sure I pointed that out in case you were hoping to use that setup with the assumption that you were going to get an additional layer of security. Cheers, Daniel From richard.maynard at gmail.com Thu May 1 11:42:54 2008 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Thu May 1 11:43:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Java problem on Ubuntu 8.04 beta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4819F30E.2040206@gmail.com> I know I'm a week late, but I don't get much time for my mail anymore! If you set the environment variable like below: JAVA_HOME=/opt/jre1.6.0_05; export JAVA_HOME It should work just fine. Any java apps you are running will need to have that set for them if they are not running from your shell. -- Richard Maynard Ryan Stewart wrote: > Greetings all. I've been lurking here a while, and I've got a question now. > First, I'm fairly new to Linux. I can find my way around the command line, > but I don't know too much about Linux overall. > > I downloaded the desktop version of ubuntu 8.04 beta, and I tried running it > on one box as a LiveCD. I downloaded the self-extracting Java installer, > version 1.6 update 5, made it executable, and ran it in /opt. It extracts to > a directory /opt/jre1.6.0_05. When I run /opt/jre1.6.0_05/bin/java -version, > I get an error message similar to this (don't have the exact message on > hand): > > "error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object > file: No such file or directory" > > I've done exactly the same thing with the same ubuntu version installed in a > VMware VM, and it works fine. > > The file libjli.so exists in /opt/jre1.6.0_05/lib/i386/jli. I found that if > I copy this file to /usr/lib, it no longer complains about it, but instead > says it can't find libjava.so, which exists in /opt/jre1.6.0_05/lib/i386. > Copying that file to /usr/lib doesn't help. > > Tonight I'm going to try installing ubuntu to a hard drive on the computer > that's having the problem and see what happens, but I'm still curious what > would cause this. Does anyone have any suggestions? > From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Thu May 1 16:11:24 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Thu May 1 16:11:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Downloading a youtube video and extracting only the audio In-Reply-To: <4819CE8A.2080008@tigershaunt.com> References: <460746.38342.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4819CE8A.2080008@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: thanks anyways but i got it by using Avidemux On 5/1/08, Rashkae wrote: > > Chris Lemire wrote: > > I succesfully downloaded a youtube video in .flv > > format after lots of googling. However following > > directions to extract the audio has not worked > > for me with no obvious reasons to me why. I checked > > the video I download with VLC. It does have > > audio. > > > > mplayer file.flv -ao pcm:file=audio.wav > > And for future reference, try installing the downloadhelper extension to > Firefox, www.downloadhelper.net. > -- Christopher Lemire Fedora 64 bit Linux Raid Level 1 From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Fri May 2 02:14:40 2008 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Fri May 2 02:14:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. Message-ID: <752181.21085.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, last year I bought 2 refurbished PCs for my kids and installed one with Ubuntu and the other with Fedora 6 then 7, finally moved it to Ubuntu after endless complains of the poor kid that her pc would boot slower, her sis' would look cool and 2 particular websites worked on her sis's computer but not on hers. the images are the same, I installed 6.10 then migrated to 7.04 now they both run 7.10, but the problem with the websites remain (they both use flash)....... and both fail w/o much debugging messages and obviously when I call these particular site contact info they both freak when I say "Linux" or Ubuntu... is there anything I can do to debug?? I don't want to install winowze but the wife, who has sided with the dark force, has already began pushing me to install that crap. thnx. esv. =================================================================== http://wiki.ittoolbox.com/index.php/AIX_VIO_Database "Intelligence is like an underwear. It is important that you have it, but not necessary that you show it........" P++R+MO++MA+E+PUBDC++D++S+++X+WP-MO?PP+nCO--PO!o?GA---c!P5P?P6-Ee---Ev+Eo!uo+++uL+wm!os! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From donguitar at gmail.com Fri May 2 03:09:30 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Fri May 2 03:09:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <752181.21085.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <752181.21085.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <481ACC3A.2010702@gmail.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > Folks, > > last year I bought 2 refurbished PCs for my kids and installed one with Ubuntu and the other with Fedora 6 then 7, finally moved it to Ubuntu after endless complains of the poor kid that her pc would boot slower, her sis' would look cool and 2 particular websites worked on her sis's computer but not on hers. > > the images are the same, I installed 6.10 then migrated to 7.04 now they both run 7.10, but the problem with the websites remain (they both use flash)....... and both fail w/o much debugging messages and obviously when I call these particular site contact info they both freak when I say "Linux" or Ubuntu... is there anything I can do to debug?? > > I don't want to install winowze but the wife, who has sided with the dark force, has already began pushing me to install that crap. What are the specs on the machines? Are they identical? -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Fri May 2 03:13:49 2008 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Fri May 2 03:13:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <481ACC3A.2010702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <690267.34222.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Don Crowder wrote: > From: Don Crowder > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Friday, May 2, 2008, 4:09 AM > Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > the images are the same, I installed 6.10 then > migrated to 7.04 now they both run 7.10, but the problem > with the websites remain (they both use flash)....... and > both fail w/o much debugging messages and obviously when I > call these particular site contact info they both freak > when I say "Linux" or Ubuntu... is there anything > I can do to debug?? > > > > I don't want to install winowze but the wife, who > has sided with the dark force, has already began pushing me > to install that crap. > > > What are the specs on the machines? Are they identical?Don > Crowder > http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ > http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch > http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/donguitar > A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE.-- > _______________________________________________ yep, to the best of my knowledge... Intel pentimum 2.x Ghz, 512 RMB AM... , 40 GB HD. thnx esv ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri May 2 03:53:49 2008 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Fri May 2 03:54:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <690267.34222.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <690267.34222.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <481AD69D.3060109@futuretechsolutions.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Don Crowder wrote: > >> From: Don Crowder >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. >> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> Date: Friday, May 2, 2008, 4:09 AM >> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >>> the images are the same, I installed 6.10 then >> migrated to 7.04 now they both run 7.10, but the problem >> with the websites remain (they both use flash)....... and >> both fail w/o much debugging messages and obviously when I >> call these particular site contact info they both freak >> when I say "Linux" or Ubuntu... is there anything >> I can do to debug?? >>> I don't want to install winowze but the wife, who >> has sided with the dark force, has already began pushing me >> to install that crap. >> >> >> What are the specs on the machines? Are they identical?Don >> Crowder >> http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ >> http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch >> http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.myspace.com/donguitar >> A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE.-- >> _______________________________________________ > > yep, to the best of my knowledge... Intel pentimum 2.x Ghz, 512 RMB AM... , 40 GB HD. > > thnx > esv > What are the symptoms and browser? Page not loading or rendering properly, browser crashing, X crashing... From rds6235 at gmail.com Fri May 2 10:49:16 2008 From: rds6235 at gmail.com (Ryan Stewart) Date: Fri May 2 10:49:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Java problem on Ubuntu 8.04 beta In-Reply-To: <4819F30E.2040206@gmail.com> References: <4819F30E.2040206@gmail.com> Message-ID: The problem wasn't with JAVA_HOME. Running java -version from the command line gave me the problem I described. As I mentioned, it's not an issue anymore since I've installed Ubuntu on the machine in question. I ran across a few reports of similar problems on the web but still no real explanation. It seems that there's just something about the LiveCD that doesn't like Java. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Richard Maynard wrote: > I know I'm a week late, but I don't get much time for my mail anymore! If > you set the environment variable like below: > > JAVA_HOME=/opt/jre1.6.0_05; export JAVA_HOME > > It should work just fine. Any java apps you are running will need to have > that set for them if they are not running from your shell. > From donguitar at gmail.com Fri May 2 10:56:03 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Fri May 2 10:56:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <690267.34222.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <690267.34222.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <481B3993.3090806@gmail.com> > --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Don Crowder wrote: >> What are the specs on the machines? Are they identical? > > > Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > yep, to the best of my knowledge... Intel pentimum 2.x Ghz, 512 RMB AM... , 40 GB HD. The only hardware failure I can envision would be in the video card and even that seems iffy. I think I'd get the kids to back up any personal data they want to keep to thumb drives (external HDD or CD) and do fresh installations of Ubuntu 8.04. It is, after all, a long term support (LTS) release and most of the reviews I've seen have been very favorable. I suppose you could upgrade the "good" machine via synaptic and just do a fresh install on the "bad" machine but my experiences with online distro updates haven't been good. Where possible I like to start fresh but maybe I'm just a paranoid. :) -- Don Crowder From justin.burdette at gmail.com Fri May 2 22:04:15 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Fri May 2 22:04:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] HD Partitioning again In-Reply-To: <48192B1D.6040008@gmail.com> References: <4819118E.7090506@gmail.com> <48192B1D.6040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, I have the drive installed. I'm in Knoppix copying over everything from my /home and /common partitions on the old 200GB drive. My current fstab shows the 200GB drive listed as this: /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_MAXTOR_STM32008_6QE02SZM-part1 Do I need to use the same "by-id" format for the new drive, or can I put it in fstab as /dev/sdb1? Justin On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Justin Burdette wrote: > > > I've got 4GB of RAM right now, not running out of swap, might just stick > > with 4GB or maybe 8. > > > > Look at you usage. How much swap are you using? With 4G you can get away > with no swap at all. > > Right now my 30GB for / is about half full and grows a bit every time I > > get > > bored and browse software repositories...last time I added about 500MB > > of > > random stuff I wanted to play with. (I don't have anything separate for > > /usr > > or /var.) I also plan to install X-Plane. I know the full install takes > > up > > about 60GB, and I'm not sure where that all ends up. > > > > You have lots of "stuff". > > Another idea, if I decide to take the 200GB out...can I simply copy > > everything from one HD to the other (using Knoppix or something like it) > > without issue, then make sure fstab is all correct? > > > > Yes you can. The correct command to use is > cp -a source destination > > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dvmail at texas.net Sat May 3 12:10:39 2008 From: dvmail at texas.net (dvmail@texas.net) Date: Sat May 3 12:10:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] email in GNU/Linux and MS Windows Message-ID: <1209834639.481c9c8f43e57@webmail.texas.net> You can use Sylpheed in GNU/Linux and MS Windows. Copy the GNU/Linux data file to the MS Windows side (after installing the program in MS Windows). As for remote access, several ways... Search for WinSCP from sourceforge site OpenVPN You can try doing VNC with SSH tunneling Have fun, Saludos desde Canada Daniel Villarreal ---begin quote... ... I, like a lot of other people on here, had been playing with Linux, and staying with Windows, but i've had other issues, that I won't go into here. Very soon (hence, the reason for my asking about remote access for linux) I'll be converting over completely. I've just got some files to back up, and data on other drives to consolidate. The biggest step was getting email converted from one OS to the other. Now, since that's done, I need to be able to access this system from remote. ... -Geoff From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sat May 3 16:31:58 2008 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sat May 3 16:31:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <481B3993.3090806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69284.95799.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Don Crowder wrote: > The only hardware failure I can envision would be in the > video card and > even that seems iffy. > > I think I'd get the kids to back up any personal data > they want to keep > to thumb drives (external HDD or CD) and do fresh > installations of > Ubuntu 8.04. It is, after all, a long term support (LTS) > release and > most of the reviews I've seen have been very favorable. > I suppose you > could upgrade the "good" machine via synaptic and > just do a fresh > install on the "bad" machine but my experiences > with online distro > updates haven't been good. Where possible I like to > start fresh but > maybe I'm just a paranoid. :) > -- > Don Crowder Don, thnx for looking at this, the hw issue might be a good point as it fails miserably just the same in FC6/7 as in Ubuntu... how can I test? btw.. when I said the images were identical, I couldn't be lying any more, I ran a test with dkpg --list on both pcs and the output is so different that it scares me. thnx. =================================================================== http://wiki.ittoolbox.com/index.php/AIX_VIO_Database "Is there a guide to innovate?" P++R+MO++MA+E+PUBDC++D++S+++X+WP-MO?PP+nCO--PO!o?GA---c!P5P?P6-Ee---Ev+Eo!uo+++uL+wm!os! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From donguitar at gmail.com Sat May 3 17:54:14 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sat May 3 17:54:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <69284.95799.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <69284.95799.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <481CED16.6080904@gmail.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Don Crowder wrote: >> The only hardware failure I can envision would be in the >> video card and >> even that seems iffy. >> >> I think I'd get the kids to back up any personal data >> they want to keep >> to thumb drives (external HDD or CD) and do fresh >> installations of >> Ubuntu 8.04. It is, after all, a long term support (LTS) >> release and >> most of the reviews I've seen have been very favorable. >> I suppose you >> could upgrade the "good" machine via synaptic and >> just do a fresh >> install on the "bad" machine but my experiences >> with online distro >> updates haven't been good. Where possible I like to >> start fresh but >> maybe I'm just a paranoid. :) >> -- >> Don Crowder > > Don, > > thnx for looking at this, the hw issue might be a good point as it fails miserably just the same in FC6/7 as in Ubuntu... > > how can I test? Sorry Enrique, this exceeds my knowledge base. In Windows I'd tell you to fire up SIW (System Information for Windows) to find out what hardware is in each machine and I'll bet there's a Linux analog of some sort but I'm darned if I know what it is. It's probably safe to assume that the video is on-board with both of these machines (if it were a card I'm sure you could have checked that out with google). Maybe someone else can suggest a way to get the onboard video specs. > > btw.. when I said the images were identical, I couldn't be lying any more, I ran a test with dkpg --list on both pcs and the output is so different that it scares me. As I said, I've had mixed luck with online distro updates. Maybe a couple of fresh installs in in order after all. On the other hand, we just got back from our local HLLUG meeting and our "Linux guru" is very unhappy with Ubuntu 8.04 so you might consider another distro. Blag is a very nice Fedora-based distro from Canada; my wife and her mom really like PCLinuxOS, and I'm developing a fondness for Linux Mint. On the other hand, Debian Etch has been awfully good for me. *sigh* My problem isn't distro hopping, I've used Debian stable for over two years now, but I do have issues with distro envy. *grin* -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From luis at luisgarza.com Sat May 3 18:01:03 2008 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Sat May 3 18:01:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <69284.95799.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <481B3993.3090806@gmail.com> <69284.95799.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005401c8ad71$8fc967b0$af5c3710$@com> Well, if the hardware is the same for both computers; ie same cpu type, memory, expansion cards, then you should be able to swap hard drives and replicate the results. That way you can tell if the problem follow the software or the hardware. Sincerely, Luis Garza http://luisgarza.com luis@luisgarza.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Enrique Sanchez Vela Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:32 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Don Crowder wrote: > The only hardware failure I can envision would be in the > video card and > even that seems iffy. > > I think I'd get the kids to back up any personal data > they want to keep > to thumb drives (external HDD or CD) and do fresh > installations of > Ubuntu 8.04. It is, after all, a long term support (LTS) > release and > most of the reviews I've seen have been very favorable. > I suppose you > could upgrade the "good" machine via synaptic and > just do a fresh > install on the "bad" machine but my experiences > with online distro > updates haven't been good. Where possible I like to > start fresh but > maybe I'm just a paranoid. :) > -- > Don Crowder Don, thnx for looking at this, the hw issue might be a good point as it fails miserably just the same in FC6/7 as in Ubuntu... how can I test? btw.. when I said the images were identical, I couldn't be lying any more, I ran a test with dkpg --list on both pcs and the output is so different that it scares me. thnx. =================================================================== http://wiki.ittoolbox.com/index.php/AIX_VIO_Database "Is there a guide to innovate?" P++R+MO++MA+E+PUBDC++D++S+++X+WP-MO?PP+nCO--PO!o?GA---c!P5P?P6-Ee---Ev+Eo!uo +++uL+wm!os! ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat May 3 20:36:00 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat May 3 20:36:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <752181.21085.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <752181.21085.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0805031836h48f754ebpb9fbb4b62cee0eb1@mail.gmail.com> First thing I would do is backup bookmarks then wipe the firefox config for the user on the "bad" PC. Sometimes they can get corrupted and cause weird behavior. If that doesn't fix it, create a new user and see if the problem persists. You can compare hardware by running lspci on both machines. It is part of pciutils if it is not installed already. As for the software, make sure both of the /etc/apt/sources.list files are the same. If the machines did not have the exact same package states when they were dist upgraded then the end results will be different. You can sync the packages by doing this: 1. On the "good" machine, run dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt 2. Copy packages.txt to the "bad" machine. 3. Run dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt 4. Run apt-get dselect-upgrade That will at least make sure the same packages are installed, but any user-specific configs will not be changed so you should test with a fresh user. -Henry On 5/2/08, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > Folks, > > last year I bought 2 refurbished PCs for my kids and installed one with > Ubuntu and the other with Fedora 6 then 7, finally moved it to Ubuntu after > endless complains of the poor kid that her pc would boot slower, her sis' > would look cool and 2 particular websites worked on her sis's computer but > not on hers. > > the images are the same, I installed 6.10 then migrated to 7.04 now they > both run 7.10, but the problem with the websites remain (they both use > flash)....... and both fail w/o much debugging messages and obviously when I > call these particular site contact info they both freak when I say "Linux" > or Ubuntu... is there anything I can do to debug?? > > I don't want to install winowze but the wife, who has sided with the dark > force, has already began pushing me to install that crap. > > thnx. > esv. > > > =================================================================== > http://wiki.ittoolbox.com/index.php/AIX_VIO_Database > > "Intelligence is like an underwear. > It is important that you have it, but > not necessary that you show it........" > > P++R+MO++MA+E+PUBDC++D++S+++X+WP-MO?PP+nCO--PO!o?GA---c!P5P?P6-Ee---Ev+Eo!uo+++uL+wm!os! > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat May 3 22:12:01 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat May 3 22:12:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <218648.8816.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <218648.8816.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200805032212.01129.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 30 April 2008 05:51:04 pm Chris Lemire wrote: > I just read this. I'm not responding to any more now. I will... hehe :) Really though, I can't believe someone actually made this into a religious thread.. heh.. Well.. on the topic, Rackspace once used God in one of our Linux adds. hehe.. It was a quote from our CEO. His eyes had been opened to Open Source and uttered the phrase to an interviewer, "God gave us Linux to run web servers.". It ended up being so popular, that we made t-shirts: http://kazza.cia.com.au/images/olympus/2001/large/p2190002.jpg fun stuff.. Tweeks From luis at luisgarza.com Sat May 3 22:25:42 2008 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Sat May 3 22:25:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft says uncle Message-ID: <007501c8ad96$88746c10$995d4430$@com> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080504/bs_nm/microsoft_yahoo_dc_12 Microsoft has withdrawn its bid for Yahoo. Microsoft had increased its bid from $31/share to $33/share. Yahoo basically said that if you want me you have to buy me for $37/share or 10 billion more! I must admit that I do like Yahoo. I read my news there and I do use some of their other services. I would have really hated to have Microsoft messing it up. I feel relieved that my 10 year old Yahoo account is still safe from MS. Luis Garza From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun May 4 00:24:51 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun May 4 00:24:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft says uncle In-Reply-To: <007501c8ad96$88746c10$995d4430$@com> References: <007501c8ad96$88746c10$995d4430$@com> Message-ID: <200805040024.51869.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 03 May 2008 10:25:42 pm Luis Garza wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080504/bs_nm/microsoft_yahoo_dc_12 > > Microsoft has withdrawn its bid for Yahoo. > > Microsoft had increased its bid from $31/share to $33/share. Yahoo > basically said that if you want me you have to buy me for $37/share or 10 > billion more! I must admit that I do like Yahoo. I read my news there and > I do use some of their other services. I would have really hated to have > Microsoft messing it up. I feel relieved that my 10 year old Yahoo account > is still safe from MS. It would be cool now if Google big on them for $30/share and Yahoo said "ok".. :) Tweeks From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun May 4 08:42:47 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun May 4 08:42:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <200805032212.01129.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <218648.8816.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200805032212.01129.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <481DBD57.2040900@suddenlink.net> Tweeks wrote: > On Wednesday 30 April 2008 05:51:04 pm Chris Lemire wrote: >> I just read this. I'm not responding to any more now. > > I will... hehe :) > > Really though, I can't believe someone actually made this into a religious > thread.. heh.. > > Well.. on the topic, Rackspace once used God in one of our Linux adds. hehe.. > It was a quote from our CEO. His eyes had been opened to Open Source and > uttered the phrase to an interviewer, "God gave us Linux to run web > servers.". It ended up being so popular, that we made t-shirts: > http://kazza.cia.com.au/images/olympus/2001/large/p2190002.jpg > > fun stuff.. > > Tweeks That doesn't sound any different from the Volvo commercial in the late 80's and early 90's that declared Volvo to be the car that can save your soul. And, if you take the view that nothing is done without God being in control, your CEO was actually correct. Fanatical support and theologically correct. Peace, Dennis in Victoria From dacrummie at gmail.com Sun May 4 09:43:55 2008 From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie) Date: Sun May 4 09:43:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <481DBD57.2040900@suddenlink.net> References: <218648.8816.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200805032212.01129.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <481DBD57.2040900@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: It's no where near the topic of that thread, this is what it was really about: At least we heard about the RealID, M$ has kept this rather quite: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2004379751_msftlaw29.html Makes one wonder what else they've come up with. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > > > On Wednesday 30 April 2008 05:51:04 pm Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > I just read this. I'm not responding to any more now. > > > > > > > I will... hehe :) > > > > Really though, I can't believe someone actually made this into a > > religious thread.. heh.. > > > > Well.. on the topic, Rackspace once used God in one of our Linux adds. > > hehe.. It was a quote from our CEO. His eyes had been opened to Open Source > > and uttered the phrase to an interviewer, "God gave us Linux to run web > > servers.". It ended up being so popular, that we made t-shirts: > > http://kazza.cia.com.au/images/olympus/2001/large/p2190002.jpg > > > > fun stuff.. > > > > Tweeks > > > > That doesn't sound any different from the Volvo commercial in the late > 80's and early 90's that declared Volvo to be the car that can save your > soul. And, if you take the view that nothing is done without God being in > control, your CEO was actually correct. Fanatical support and theologically > correct. Peace, Dennis in Victoria > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Dale Crummie US Army (Vet) 7th Grp SF SOCOM CTU From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun May 4 10:03:13 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun May 4 10:03:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <218648.8816.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200805032212.01129.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <481DBD57.2040900@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <481DD031.2090609@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Dale Crummie wrote: > It's no where near the topic of that thread, this is what it was really > about: and in the end, after the last nit has been picked apart 9 different ways to Sunday, what has been accomplished? Isn't there something constructive we could be discussing? From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun May 4 10:08:39 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun May 4 10:08:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] remote access Message-ID: <481DD177.9060507@w5omr.shacknet.nu> At the risk of being 'constructive'... (-grin-) A while back I asked about remote access. I took someone's advice on NoMachine (NX) and installed the server version on my openSuSE 10.3 box. I gotta say, from remote (was in Houston over the weekend) it seems to be 'snappier' and more quick to respond than RDP was on the XP box (which is still sitting silent now, for going on 5 days.) That said, I thought that RDP was pretty good, via remote and the few times I tried VNC (tightvnc) it seemed the connection was -s-l-o-w- in comparison. What I'd like to ask of the collective is, do you, or have you had a system that had both NX and tightvnc on it, and have you compared the two side-by-side? Which is quicker? From dacrummie at gmail.com Sun May 4 10:14:48 2008 From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie) Date: Sun May 4 10:14:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <481DD031.2090609@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <218648.8816.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200805032212.01129.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <481DBD57.2040900@suddenlink.net> <481DD031.2090609@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Geoff wrote: > Dale Crummie wrote: > > It's no where near the topic of that thread, this is what it was really > > about: > > and in the end, after the last nit has been picked apart 9 different > ways to Sunday, what has been accomplished? > > > Isn't there something constructive we could be discussing? > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > It's gonna be one of those days, this is what I tried to put in the last reply: >At least we heard about the RealID, M$ has kept this rather quite: > >http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2004379751_msftlaw29.html > >Makes one wonder what else they've come up with. That's the original topic. -- Dale Crummie US Army (Vet) 7th Grp SF SOCOM CTU From tsuehpsyde at gmail.com Sun May 4 10:27:15 2008 From: tsuehpsyde at gmail.com (tsuehpsyde) Date: Sun May 4 10:27:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <481DBD57.2040900@suddenlink.net> References: <218648.8816.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200805032212.01129.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <481DBD57.2040900@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: Well I use both Linux for web servers and a Volvo for driving, so I guess I'm making maximum use of God's gifts to us. =) Although I totally want one of those shirts.... -Jim On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > > > On Wednesday 30 April 2008 05:51:04 pm Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > I just read this. I'm not responding to any more now. > > > > > > > I will... hehe :) > > > > Really though, I can't believe someone actually made this into a > > religious thread.. heh.. > > > > Well.. on the topic, Rackspace once used God in one of our Linux adds. > > hehe.. It was a quote from our CEO. His eyes had been opened to Open Source > > and uttered the phrase to an interviewer, "God gave us Linux to run web > > servers.". It ended up being so popular, that we made t-shirts: > > http://kazza.cia.com.au/images/olympus/2001/large/p2190002.jpg > > > > fun stuff.. > > > > Tweeks > > > > That doesn't sound any different from the Volvo commercial in the late > 80's and early 90's that declared Volvo to be the car that can save your > soul. And, if you take the view that nothing is done without God being in > control, your CEO was actually correct. Fanatical support and theologically > correct. Peace, Dennis in Victoria > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun May 4 10:38:05 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun May 4 10:38:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Some good news Message-ID: <481DD85D.1020702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cuba lifts ban on home computers http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7381646.stm Castro is probably dead. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun May 4 12:43:59 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun May 4 12:43:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Conspiracy theory or coverup? Message-ID: <481DF5DF.5050409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Either way you look at it, this is good discussion fodder. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=435 -- -Geoff From donguitar at gmail.com Sun May 4 14:24:15 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sun May 4 14:24:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. Message-ID: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> Finding a distro that's nicely suited to older hardware has been something of a personal crusade for me and I've tried, and ultimately been displeased, with DSL, Puppy, Xubuntu and DeLi Linux. I've tried SaxenOS (and its predecessor who's name I've forgotten) in its previous incarnation though I've yet to try its latest built-on-PCLinuxOS version (it's on my list to try). I'm currently excited about some new-to-me discoveries. Both PC-BSD and KateOS run lean, mean and fast on a 550 MHz P3 with 192 MB of RAM (Compaq desktop) and Kate did a more than respectable job on my 500 MHz Thinkpad (P3 w/256 MB of RAM) until the HDD cratered. Yesterday I spent some time tinkering with PCFluxboxOS (tinyflux) installed on a 466 MHz Celeron with 384 MB of RAM (HP Pavilion 4445 w/4.2 MB HDD) and was very impressed with it. I've ordered a new HDD for my Thinkpad and am looking forward to trying tinyflux on it. If it doesn't run, it's great knowing I can just switch back to Kate. If you know of a distro that's well suited to older hardware I'd sure appreciate hearing about it. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun May 4 14:34:23 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun May 4 14:34:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> Don Crowder wrote: > Finding a distro that's nicely suited to older hardware has been > something of a personal crusade for me and I've tried, and ultimately > been displeased, with DSL, Puppy, Xubuntu and DeLi Linux. I've tried > SaxenOS (and its predecessor who's name I've forgotten) in its previous > incarnation though I've yet to try its latest built-on-PCLinuxOS version > (it's on my list to try). > > I'm currently excited about some new-to-me discoveries. Both PC-BSD and > KateOS run lean, mean and fast on a 550 MHz P3 with 192 MB of RAM > (Compaq desktop) and Kate did a more than respectable job on my 500 MHz > Thinkpad (P3 w/256 MB of RAM) until the HDD cratered. Yesterday I spent > some time tinkering with PCFluxboxOS (tinyflux) installed on a 466 MHz > Celeron with 384 MB of RAM (HP Pavilion 4445 w/4.2 MB HDD) and was very > impressed with it. I've ordered a new HDD for my Thinkpad and am > looking forward to trying tinyflux on it. If it doesn't run, it's great > knowing I can just switch back to Kate. > > If you know of a distro that's well suited to older hardware I'd sure > appreciate hearing about it. > > Thanks. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/2008 11:22 AM Debian has an install with XFCE as the desktop. From donguitar at gmail.com Sun May 4 16:04:54 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sun May 4 16:04:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > Don Crowder wrote: >> If you know of a distro that's well suited to older hardware I'd sure >> appreciate hearing about it. > > Debian has an install with XFCE as the desktop. Debian, via the net install, comes with Gnome and it's possible to install Xfce via synaptic (or apt-get from the CLI). Of course KDE and several other alternatives are also in the repository but you still have to start with Gnome. You can also replace GDM with KDM though I've never done that. I just switched to KDE and made it my default. The same could be done with any of the *buntu family. I started with Debian-default and added Xfce on that 466 MHz Pavilion I mentioned in my previous post and it was ok but tinyflux is substantially faster and seems equally stable. I suppose one could install Debian w/Xfce if one had the entire set of 21 CDs (or 3 DVDs though few older computers have DVD drives) but I don't recommend buying the media. I bought a full set of Sarge CDs two weeks before Etch was released (talk about a "well, duh!" feeling) and that's not a mistake I care to repeat, especially with all the rumors of Lenny being moved into Stable "any day now". Those rumors have, thus far, kept me from switching to PCLinuxOS or Linux Mint. Etch does everything I need it to do, smoothly, consistently, and with less hassle than I experienced in Windows but all the stuff I hear from my friends keeps me in a state of "distro envy", know what I mean? :) -- Don Crowder From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Sun May 4 17:02:41 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Sun May 4 17:02:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <481DD031.2090609@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> agreed, some people don't know when to drop something Geoff wrote: Dale Crummie wrote: > It's no where near the topic of that thread, this is what it was really > about: and in the end, after the last nit has been picked apart 9 different ways to Sunday, what has been accomplished? Isn't there something constructive we could be discussing? -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Sun May 4 17:06:22 2008 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Sun May 4 17:06:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <597055.45322.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It will go along nicely with this. http://www.ubuntume.com/_media/gdm-login2.png?cache=cache along with the shirt, you can upgrade to this. http://www.ubuntume.com/_media/ubuntume-green-theme.png?cache=cache tsuehpsyde wrote: Well I use both Linux for web servers and a Volvo for driving, so I guess I'm making maximum use of God's gifts to us. =) Although I totally want one of those shirts.... -Jim On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > > > On Wednesday 30 April 2008 05:51:04 pm Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > I just read this. I'm not responding to any more now. > > > > > > > I will... hehe :) > > > > Really though, I can't believe someone actually made this into a > > religious thread.. heh.. > > > > Well.. on the topic, Rackspace once used God in one of our Linux adds. > > hehe.. It was a quote from our CEO. His eyes had been opened to Open Source > > and uttered the phrase to an interviewer, "God gave us Linux to run web > > servers.". It ended up being so popular, that we made t-shirts: > > http://kazza.cia.com.au/images/olympus/2001/large/p2190002.jpg > > > > fun stuff.. > > > > Tweeks > > > > That doesn't sound any different from the Volvo commercial in the late > 80's and early 90's that declared Volvo to be the car that can save your > soul. And, if you take the view that nothing is done without God being in > control, your CEO was actually correct. Fanatical support and theologically > correct. Peace, Dennis in Victoria > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sun May 4 17:28:10 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sun May 4 17:28:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <597055.45322.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <597055.45322.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Funny how you overlooked Ubuntu Satanic Edition... http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/ On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > It will go along nicely with this. > > http://www.ubuntume.com/_media/gdm-login2.png?cache=cache > > along with the shirt, you can upgrade to this. > > http://www.ubuntume.com/_media/ubuntume-green-theme.png?cache=cache > > tsuehpsyde wrote: Well I use both Linux for web > servers and a Volvo for driving, so I guess > I'm making maximum use of God's gifts to us. =) Although I totally want > one > of those shirts.... > > -Jim > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Myhand > wrote: > > > Tweeks wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday 30 April 2008 05:51:04 pm Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > > > I just read this. I'm not responding to any more now. > > > > > > > > > > I will... hehe :) > > > > > > Really though, I can't believe someone actually made this into a > > > religious thread.. heh.. > > > > > > Well.. on the topic, Rackspace once used God in one of our Linux adds. > > > hehe.. It was a quote from our CEO. His eyes had been opened to Open > Source > > > and uttered the phrase to an interviewer, "God gave us Linux to run > web > > > servers.". It ended up being so popular, that we made t-shirts: > > > http://kazza.cia.com.au/images/olympus/2001/large/p2190002.jpg > > > > > > fun stuff.. > > > > > > Tweeks > > > > > > > That doesn't sound any different from the Volvo commercial in the late > > 80's and early 90's that declared Volvo to be the car that can save your > > soul. And, if you take the view that nothing is done without God being > in > > control, your CEO was actually correct. Fanatical support and > theologically > > correct. Peace, Dennis in Victoria > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From afcasta at satx.rr.com Sun May 4 17:32:49 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Sun May 4 17:32:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <597055.45322.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <597055.45322.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1209940369.13017.0.camel@phattphlatt> And while you're running ubuntume on your laptop on an airplane, you should load: http://www.thecleverest.com/countdown.swf On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Lemire wrote: > It will go along nicely with this. > > http://www.ubuntume.com/_media/gdm-login2.png?cache=cache > > along with the shirt, you can upgrade to this. > > http://www.ubuntume.com/_media/ubuntume-green-theme.png?cache=cache > > tsuehpsyde wrote: Well I use both Linux for web servers and a Volvo for driving, so I guess > I'm making maximum use of God's gifts to us. =) Although I totally want one > of those shirts.... > > -Jim > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Myhand > wrote: > > > Tweeks wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday 30 April 2008 05:51:04 pm Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > > > I just read this. I'm not responding to any more now. > > > > > > > > > > I will... hehe :) > > > > > > Really though, I can't believe someone actually made this into a > > > religious thread.. heh.. > > > > > > Well.. on the topic, Rackspace once used God in one of our Linux adds. > > > hehe.. It was a quote from our CEO. His eyes had been opened to Open Source > > > and uttered the phrase to an interviewer, "God gave us Linux to run web > > > servers.". It ended up being so popular, that we made t-shirts: > > > http://kazza.cia.com.au/images/olympus/2001/large/p2190002.jpg > > > > > > fun stuff.. > > > > > > Tweeks > > > > > > > That doesn't sound any different from the Volvo commercial in the late > > 80's and early 90's that declared Volvo to be the car that can save your > > soul. And, if you take the view that nothing is done without God being in > > control, your CEO was actually correct. Fanatical support and theologically > > correct. Peace, Dennis in Victoria > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sun May 4 17:37:01 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sun May 4 17:37:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <1209940369.13017.0.camel@phattphlatt> References: <597055.45322.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209940369.13017.0.camel@phattphlatt> Message-ID: yes i remember when i first saw that on digg....talk about a guaranteed deep cavity search and free one-way ticket to gitmo.... On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Al Castanoli wrote: > > And while you're running ubuntume on your laptop on an airplane, you > should load: > > http://www.thecleverest.com/countdown.swf > > > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Lemire wrote: > > It will go along nicely with this. > > > > http://www.ubuntume.com/_media/gdm-login2.png?cache=cache > > > > along with the shirt, you can upgrade to this. > > > > http://www.ubuntume.com/_media/ubuntume-green-theme.png?cache=cache > > > > tsuehpsyde wrote: Well I use both Linux for web > servers and a Volvo for driving, so I guess > > I'm making maximum use of God's gifts to us. =) Although I totally want > one > > of those shirts.... > > > > -Jim > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Myhand > > wrote: > > > > > Tweeks wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday 30 April 2008 05:51:04 pm Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just read this. I'm not responding to any more now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will... hehe :) > > > > > > > > Really though, I can't believe someone actually made this into a > > > > religious thread.. heh.. > > > > > > > > Well.. on the topic, Rackspace once used God in one of our Linux > adds. > > > > hehe.. It was a quote from our CEO. His eyes had been opened to > Open Source > > > > and uttered the phrase to an interviewer, "God gave us Linux to run > web > > > > servers.". It ended up being so popular, that we made t-shirts: > > > > > http://kazza.cia.com.au/images/olympus/2001/large/p2190002.jpg > > > > > > > > fun stuff.. > > > > > > > > Tweeks > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't sound any different from the Volvo commercial in the late > > > 80's and early 90's that declared Volvo to be the car that can save > your > > > soul. And, if you take the view that nothing is done without God > being in > > > control, your CEO was actually correct. Fanatical support and > theologically > > > correct. Peace, Dennis in Victoria > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try > it now. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun May 4 17:41:20 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun May 4 17:41:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481E3B90.90001@suddenlink.net> Don Crowder wrote: > Dennis Myhand wrote: >> Don Crowder wrote: > I suppose one could install Debian w/Xfce if one had the entire set of > 21 CDs (or 3 DVDs though few older computers have DVD drives) but I > don't recommend buying the media. I bought a full set of Sarge CDs two > weeks before Etch was released (talk about a "well, duh!" feeling) and > that's not a mistake I care to repeat, especially with all the rumors of > Lenny being moved into Stable "any day now". > > Those rumors have, thus far, kept me from switching to PCLinuxOS or > Linux Mint. Etch does everything I need it to do, smoothly, > consistently, and with less hassle than I experienced in Windows but all > the stuff I hear from my friends keeps me in a state of "distro envy", > know what I mean? :) You don't need all 21 cds. There is one cd to download and it installs XFCE as the desktop. Look here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ Go to the bottom of the list and look for: debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso I also know about "distro envy." I have a student who is into Linux and keeps telling me about the latest one he is trying. I have run Debian since 2.1. 3.0 ran great on my 600MHz P-III. I now have a more modern amd64 3400+ with 2 gigs of ram and I don't worry about what I run, but I stay with Debian. From donguitar at gmail.com Sun May 4 19:27:48 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sun May 4 19:27:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481E3B90.90001@suddenlink.net> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> <481E3B90.90001@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <481E5484.3090504@gmail.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > > You don't need all 21 cds. There is one cd to download and it installs > XFCE as the desktop. Look here: > > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ > > Go to the bottom of the list and look for: > > debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso > Dude, how come I couldn't find that page with google? Heck, I couldn't even find a page that mentioned a page about it. That looks like a single-CD KDE version next to last on that list. Wow, too cool! Thanks Dennis. I'll add both of those to my personal ISO repository (external HDD). -- Don Crowder From donguitar at gmail.com Sun May 4 19:30:47 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sun May 4 19:30:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flame warriers. Message-ID: <481E5537.5090605@gmail.com> Humor anyone? http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun May 4 19:57:00 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun May 4 19:57:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481E5484.3090504@gmail.com> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> <481E3B90.90001@suddenlink.net> <481E5484.3090504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481E5B5C.7010500@suddenlink.net> Don Crowder wrote: > Dennis Myhand wrote: >> >> You don't need all 21 cds. There is one cd to download and it >> installs XFCE as the desktop. Look here: >> >> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ >> >> Go to the bottom of the list and look for: >> >> debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso >> > > Dude, how come I couldn't find that page with google? Heck, I couldn't > even find a page that mentioned a page about it. That looks like a > single-CD KDE version next to last on that list. Wow, too cool! Thanks > Dennis. I'll add both of those to my personal ISO repository (external > HDD). Long have I walked in peace among the ISOs of Debian. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sun May 4 20:02:27 2008 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sun May 4 20:02:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0805031836h48f754ebpb9fbb4b62cee0eb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <553603.59199.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 5/3/08, Henry Pugsley wrote: > From: Henry Pugsley > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] 2 machines, same image, different result. > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, May 3, 2008, 9:36 PM > First thing I would do is backup bookmarks then wipe the > firefox > config for the user on the "bad" PC. Sometimes > they can get corrupted > and cause weird behavior. If that doesn't fix it, > create a new user > and see if the problem persists. > > You can compare hardware by running lspci on both machines. > It is > part of pciutils if it is not installed already. As for > the software, > make sure both of the /etc/apt/sources.list files are the > same. If the > machines did not have the exact same package states when > they were > dist upgraded then the end results will be different. You > can sync the > packages by doing this: > > 1. On the "good" machine, run dpkg > --get-selections > packages.txt > 2. Copy packages.txt to the "bad" machine. > 3. Run dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt > 4. Run apt-get dselect-upgrade > > That will at least make sure the same packages are > installed, but any > user-specific configs will not be changed so you should > test with a > fresh user. > > -Henry > > > > > On 5/2/08, Enrique Sanchez Vela > wrote: > > Folks, > > > > last year I bought 2 refurbished PCs for my kids and > installed one with > > Ubuntu and the other with Fedora 6 then 7, finally > moved it to Ubuntu after > > endless complains of the poor kid that her pc would > boot slower, her sis' > > would look cool and 2 particular websites worked on > her sis's computer but > > not on hers. > > > > the images are the same, I installed 6.10 then > migrated to 7.04 now they > > both run 7.10, but the problem with the websites > remain (they both use > > flash)....... and both fail w/o much debugging > messages and obviously when I > > call these particular site contact info they both > freak when I say "Linux" > > or Ubuntu... is there anything I can do to debug?? > > > > I don't want to install winowze but the wife, who > has sided with the dark > > force, has already began pushing me to install that > crap. > > > > thnx. > > esv. > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > http://wiki.ittoolbox.com/index.php/AIX_VIO_Database > > > > "Intelligence is like an underwear. > > It is important that you have it, but > > not necessary that you show it........" > > > > > P++R+MO++MA+E+PUBDC++D++S+++X+WP-MO?PP+nCO--PO!o?GA---c!P5P?P6-Ee---Ev+Eo!uo+++uL+wm!os! > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > "The best way to predict the future is to invent > it" - Alan Kay > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) after realizing I had installed a windows based game on my daughter's computer (the one failing) and not the "good" one. I'll post the results once I find once again how to install the "right" flash player for this thing ;) thanks all. esv. pd. Luis, if this thing keeps failing, I will swap the HDs and check again. =================================================================== http://wiki.ittoolbox.com/index.php/AIX_VIO_Database "Intelligence is like an underwear. It is important that you have it, but not necessary that you show it........" P++R+MO++MA+E+PUBDC++D++S+++X+WP-MO?PP+nCO--PO!o?GA---c!P5P?P6-Ee---Ev+Eo!uo+++uL+wm!os! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sun May 4 22:05:23 2008 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sun May 4 22:05:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flame warriers. In-Reply-To: <481E5537.5090605@gmail.com> References: <481E5537.5090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209956723.523.5.camel@beast.camerontech.net> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 19:30 -0500, Don Crowder wrote: > Humor anyone? > http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm Oh, my - those are too funny! Sad thing is that I see myself at various phases of my Internet usage career as many of these characters. Sort of embarrassing... :-/ -- Thomas From wmail at wricomp.com Mon May 5 00:58:53 2008 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon May 5 00:58:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Lo, Unto Us A Puppy is Born! Message-ID: <588t149d5puh1d71cslnls27qtk008dh58@4ax.com> Barry Kauler announces Puppy Linux 4.00: http://puppylinux.com/download/release-4.00.htm -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From wmail at wricomp.com Mon May 5 01:03:23 2008 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon May 5 01:03:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> Message-ID: > I bought a full set of Sarge CDs two >weeks before Etch was released (talk about a "well, duh!" feeling) and >that's not a mistake I care to repeat, especially with all the rumors of >Lenny being moved into Stable "any day now". If the machine you're installing has a supported network adapter for Internet access, you can download as few CDs as you want and fetch all other packages across the 'Net. That's how you update a system to the current stable (or testing, etc.) release, too. Oh, and the next Debian release "lenny" has a defined timeframe which is nowhere close to "any day now". The people at DistroWatch are kind enough to put a calendar of such major events at the bottom of every DistroWatch Weekly. According to that, and the discussion on the Debian Installer team list, you won't see a new Debian before Labor Day. (Based on past experience, Halloween and Thanksgiving have a good chance, too.) -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From donguitar at gmail.com Mon May 5 01:27:40 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Mon May 5 01:27:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481EA8DC.2010200@gmail.com> Don Wright wrote: >> I bought a full set of Sarge CDs two >> weeks before Etch was released (talk about a "well, duh!" feeling) and >> that's not a mistake I care to repeat, especially with all the rumors of >> Lenny being moved into Stable "any day now". > > If the machine you're installing has a supported network adapter for > Internet access, you can download as few CDs as you want and fetch all > other packages across the 'Net. That's how you update a system to the > current stable (or testing, etc.) release, too. Don, I don't have any sort of clue what a "supported network adapter" is but Synaptic "updated" me from Sarge to Etch and that totally hosed my computer. I distro hopped for a few weeks before doing a fresh net install and have been very pleased with Etch since then. > > Oh, and the next Debian release "lenny" has a defined timeframe which is > nowhere close to "any day now". The people at DistroWatch are kind > enough to put a calendar of such major events at the bottom of every > DistroWatch Weekly. I visit Distrowatch every few days to check out the latest releases but I guess I never read to the bottom of the weekly. I'll start doing that. > According to that, and the discussion on the Debian > Installer team list, you won't see a new Debian before Labor Day. (Based > on past experience, Halloween and Thanksgiving have a good chance, too.) With age comes perspective grasshopper. Thanksgiving is "any day now" to me. Thanks for the info. -- Don Crowder From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 5 08:51:13 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon May 5 08:51:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <597055.45322.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209940369.13017.0.camel@phattphlatt> Message-ID: <1209995473.6740.0.camel@AMG> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 15:37 -0700, Ernest De Leon wrote: > yes i remember when i first saw that on digg....talk about a guaranteed deep > cavity search and free one-way ticket to gitmo.... But it sure would be funny for 10 seconds. ;^D ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 5 08:52:31 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon May 5 08:52:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 15:02 -0700, Chris Lemire wrote: > agreed, some people don't know when to drop something Weren't you the one who started the tangent by trying to throw your atheism in our faces? ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 5 08:53:04 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon May 5 08:53:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Conspiracy theory or coverup? In-Reply-To: <481DF5DF.5050409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <481DF5DF.5050409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1209995585.6740.4.camel@AMG> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 12:43 -0500, Geoff wrote: > Either way you look at it, this is good discussion fodder. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=435 Total cover up happening here. ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 5 08:55:08 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon May 5 08:55:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Some good news In-Reply-To: <481DD85D.1020702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <481DD85D.1020702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1209995708.6740.7.camel@AMG> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 10:38 -0500, Geoff wrote: > Cuba lifts ban on home computers > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7381646.stm > > Castro is probably dead. Hooray the interwebs will now be available for spam from Cuba. Seriously though, it is nice that they can finally join the 20th century. Talk about a perfect place for FOSS running on cheap laptops. ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 5 09:01:09 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon May 5 09:01:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft says uncle In-Reply-To: <200805040024.51869.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <007501c8ad96$88746c10$995d4430$@com> <200805040024.51869.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1209996070.6740.11.camel@AMG> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 00:24 -0500, Tweeks wrote: > It would be cool now if Google big on them for $30/share and Yahoo > said "ok".. :) Would it really? That would mean that Google would have a monopoly on internet search. I am not sure I share your sentiment. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And Google aren't the benevolent company that most geeks think they are: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060127-150726 ~Nate From astro at astr0.org Mon May 5 09:10:31 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian) Date: Mon May 5 09:10:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft says uncle In-Reply-To: <1209996070.6740.11.camel@AMG> References: <007501c8ad96$88746c10$995d4430$@com> <200805040024.51869.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1209996070.6740.11.camel@AMG> Message-ID: There are more than 2 search providers. Microsoft themselves provides a search service that many, many users use (hell its the default search upon a windows install). If we had to choose, I'm quote sure most would prefer google to be dominant but then again, that might make microsoft look a little better in some peoples eyes :) Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2008, at 9:01, pixelnate wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 00:24 -0500, Tweeks wrote: > >> It would be cool now if Google big on them for $30/share and Yahoo >> said "ok".. :) > > > Would it really? That would mean that Google would have a monopoly on > internet search. I am not sure I share your sentiment. Power corrupts, > absolute power corrupts absolutely. > > And Google aren't the benevolent company that most geeks think they > are: > http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060127-150726 > > > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon May 5 09:20:57 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon May 5 09:20:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481EA8DC.2010200@gmail.com> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> <481EA8DC.2010200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481F17C9.2000904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Don Crowder wrote: > Don Wright wrote: >> If the machine you're installing has a supported network adapter for >> Internet access, you can download as few CDs as you want and fetch >> all other packages across the 'Net. That's how you update a system to >> the current stable (or testing, etc.) release, too. > > Don, I don't have any sort of clue what a "supported network adapter" > is but Synaptic "updated" me from Sarge to Etch and that totally hosed > my computer. I distro hopped for a few weeks before doing a fresh net > install and have been very pleased with Etch since then. A 'supported network adapter' is any nic (Network Interface Card) that is natively recognized in a Linux environment. Therefore, when you load up a 'live cd' into the cd tray of your system, boot from said cd, the OS has to be able to automagically detect and setup the nic in the system. When it goes 'live' (get's an ipaddress) it is then known as a 'supported network adapter' (that'd be the card where the ethernet cable is plugged into). From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon May 5 09:22:24 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon May 5 09:22:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> Message-ID: <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> pixelnate wrote: > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 15:02 -0700, Chris Lemire wrote: > >> agreed, some people don't know when to drop something >> > > > Weren't you the one who started the tangent by trying to throw your > atheism in our faces? > *DING* *DING* *DING*! WE HAVE A WINNER! Good catch, Nate. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon May 5 09:28:29 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon May 5 09:28:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Conspiracy theory or coverup? In-Reply-To: <1209995585.6740.4.camel@AMG> References: <481DF5DF.5050409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1209995585.6740.4.camel@AMG> Message-ID: <481F198D.5050302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> pixelnate wrote: > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 12:43 -0500, Geoff wrote: > >> Either way you look at it, this is good discussion fodder. >> >> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=435 >> > > > Total cover up happening here. > I believe the same. "No back door", but... the forensic tools that Microsoft is now supplying to the local Police Departments around the nation are certainly 'interesting' in that you don't need a password to access the system, as long as the usb thumb-drive is plugged into the system, and it scans and finds and detects everything from soup to hay. Totally a cover up. although, I'll admit to using m$ products, you would never find me standing in line at midnight to purchase a piece of proprietary software that is going to have to have a major upgrade with a month of it's release. If you (and not you, specifically Nate - I'm speaking collectively) don't believe me that m$ can't release anything that's working 'out of the box', go back and look at the history of M$ releases, starting with MS-Dos 1.0, then 1.1, 1.01, 2.0, 2.02, 2.03, 2.1, etc.... -Geoff From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon May 5 09:30:33 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon May 5 09:30:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Some good news In-Reply-To: <1209995708.6740.7.camel@AMG> References: <481DD85D.1020702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1209995708.6740.7.camel@AMG> Message-ID: <481F1A09.2000306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> pixelnate wrote: > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 10:38 -0500, Geoff wrote: > >> Cuba lifts ban on home computers >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7381646.stm >> >> Castro is probably dead. >> > > > Hooray the interwebs will now be available for spam from Cuba. > > Seriously though, it is nice that they can finally join the 20th > century. Talk about a perfect place for FOSS running on cheap laptops. > Although I didn't say it, that was exactly the intent and the reason for posting the information. If the economy is still as bad down there as we've been led to believe, something -free- on their home desktops would certainly be welcomed, I'm sure! Who wants to take a touristy-type trip to Cuba and introduce 'em to Linux? ;-) -Geoff From donguitar at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:06:15 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Mon May 5 10:06:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481F17C9.2000904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> <481EA8DC.2010200@gmail.com> <481F17C9.2000904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <481F2267.9040503@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > > A 'supported network adapter' is any nic (Network Interface Card) that > is natively recognized in a Linux environment. > > Therefore, when you load up a 'live cd' into the cd tray of your system, > boot from said cd, the OS has to be able to automagically detect and > setup the nic in the system. When it goes 'live' (get's an ipaddress) > it is then known as a 'supported network adapter' (that'd be the card > where the ethernet cable is plugged into). > You know, I've installed several distros on various Intel and AMD systems ranging between 66 MHz and 1800 MHz and I've only encountered one desktop which didn't pick up my wired connection as it booted up. In that instance I grabbed a 3Com NIC out of my junk drawer and swapped it for the extant card, solving the problem. Wired ethernet support in Linux seems, on the face of it, to be almost the reciprocal of wireless support in Linux. Mind you, I was smiling when I typed that. Thanks Geoff. Nomenclature is a major stumbling block for me as I have no IT or computer experience in my background. I was an LMR bench technician for 25 years, acquired my first Win98 box with a modem during the last five and never took the cover off a computer before 2006 (a few days after I tried my first Ubuntu live CD). Since then I've been dog-paddling as fast as I can but the current is swift and getting faster. -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon May 5 10:18:24 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon May 5 10:18:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] A boon for older hardware. In-Reply-To: <481F2267.9040503@gmail.com> References: <481E0D5F.2010001@gmail.com> <481E0FBF.1000400@suddenlink.net> <481E24F6.10706@gmail.com> <481EA8DC.2010200@gmail.com> <481F17C9.2000904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <481F2267.9040503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481F2540.9090508@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Don Crowder wrote: > Geoff wrote: >> >> A 'supported network adapter' is any nic (Network Interface Card) that >> is natively recognized in a Linux environment. >> >> Therefore, when you load up a 'live cd' into the cd tray of your system, >> boot from said cd, the OS has to be able to automagically detect and >> setup the nic in the system. When it goes 'live' (get's an ipaddress) >> it is then known as a 'supported network adapter' (that'd be the card >> where the ethernet cable is plugged into). >> > > You know, I've installed several distros on various Intel and AMD > systems ranging between 66 MHz and 1800 MHz and I've only encountered > one desktop which didn't pick up my wired connection as it booted up. > In that instance I grabbed a 3Com NIC out of my junk drawer and > swapped it for the extant card, solving the problem. Wired ethernet > support in Linux seems, on the face of it, to be almost the reciprocal > of wireless support in Linux. Mind you, I was smiling when I typed that. I gotta agree with that. I've not had a lot of experience with a wireless device, and in fact, the only one I have had any dealings with, personally, is the one that's in my laptop. that said, I've tried -several- different 'livecd' distros, trying to get the built-in wifi to work, with no success, yet. > > Thanks Geoff. Nomenclature is a major stumbling block for me as I > have no IT or computer experience in my background. I was an LMR > bench technician for 25 years, acquired my first Win98 box with a > modem during the last five and never took the cover off a computer > before 2006 (a few days after I tried my first Ubuntu live CD). Since > then I've been dog-paddling as fast as I can but the current is swift > and getting faster. I knew you knew better, but just weren't understanding what was being said. "Rice pudding" is about how my brain gets after a while, too, when I've sat too long on a bench staring at a problem that's solution is staring me dead square in the eyes. I -hate- that feeling... -Geoff From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:19:37 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon May 5 10:19:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: I was going to let that go too...the only thing worse than evangelical christians is evangelical atheists. It kind of reminds me of all these kids going out of their way to look as odd as possible in order to be "different," all they end up doing is getting lumped with every other oddball doing the same thing. It seems like non-conformity is the modern day conformity. E On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Geoff wrote: > pixelnate wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 15:02 -0700, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > >> agreed, some people don't know when to drop something > >> > > > > > > Weren't you the one who started the tangent by trying to throw your > > atheism in our faces? > > > > *DING* *DING* *DING*! > WE HAVE A WINNER! > > Good catch, Nate. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:29:48 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon May 5 10:29:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Some good news In-Reply-To: <481F1A09.2000306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <481DD85D.1020702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1209995708.6740.7.camel@AMG> <481F1A09.2000306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1210001388.6740.18.camel@AMG> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 09:30 -0500, Geoff wrote: > Who wants to take a touristy-type trip to Cuba and introduce 'em to > Linux? ;-) Isn't it still illegal for American tourists to visit Cuba? I know there are divers that go down there through all kinds of other routes, but to go straight to Cuba from the US is, I believe, still verboten. Could be fun though. ~N From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:31:18 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon May 5 10:31:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Some good news In-Reply-To: <481F1A09.2000306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <481DD85D.1020702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1209995708.6740.7.camel@AMG> <481F1A09.2000306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: I'm game...been there twice so far and would love to go back. It is nothing like the US Government wants you to believe, and more like some modern movies about Cuba portray it. If anyone on list knows who the Buena Vista Social Club is and has seen the movie about the group, you'll know what I mean. E On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Geoff wrote: > pixelnate wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 10:38 -0500, Geoff wrote: > > > >> Cuba lifts ban on home computers > >> > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7381646.stm > >> > >> Castro is probably dead. > >> > > > > > > Hooray the interwebs will now be available for spam from Cuba. > > > > Seriously though, it is nice that they can finally join the 20th > > century. Talk about a perfect place for FOSS running on cheap laptops. > > > > Although I didn't say it, that was exactly the intent and the reason for > posting the information. If the economy is still as bad down there as > we've been led to believe, something -free- on their home desktops would > certainly be welcomed, I'm sure! > > Who wants to take a touristy-type trip to Cuba and introduce 'em to > Linux? ;-) > > > -Geoff > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:32:11 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon May 5 10:32:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Some good news In-Reply-To: <1210001388.6740.18.camel@AMG> References: <481DD85D.1020702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1209995708.6740.7.camel@AMG> <481F1A09.2000306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1210001388.6740.18.camel@AMG> Message-ID: Yes, you must travel thru Mexico to avoid the stupidity of the US. E On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:29 AM, pixelnate wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 09:30 -0500, Geoff wrote: > > > > Who wants to take a touristy-type trip to Cuba and introduce 'em to > > Linux? ;-) > > Isn't it still illegal for American tourists to visit Cuba? I know there > are divers that go down there through all kinds of other routes, but to > go straight to Cuba from the US is, I believe, still verboten. Could be > fun though. > > > > ~N > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From dacrummie at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:42:57 2008 From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie) Date: Mon May 5 10:43:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: What really surprised me is, I don't think anyone read what I posted. It turned into a evangelical rant which in my opinion just goes to prove something I learned along time ago: "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer I have never or will I ever post anything religious on this list, those few who know me understand why. I firmly believe that this list was never intended for that. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I was going to let that go too...the only thing worse than evangelical > christians is evangelical atheists. It kind of reminds me of all these > kids > going out of their way to look as odd as possible in order to be > "different," all they end up doing is getting lumped with every other > oddball doing the same thing. It seems like non-conformity is the modern > day conformity. > > E > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Geoff wrote: > > > pixelnate wrote: > > > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 15:02 -0700, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > >> agreed, some people don't know when to drop something > > >> > > > > > > > > > Weren't you the one who started the tangent by trying to throw your > > > atheism in our faces? > > > > > > > *DING* *DING* *DING*! > > WE HAVE A WINNER! > > > > Good catch, Nate. > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Ernest de Leon > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." > - > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Dale Crummie US Army (Vet) 7th Grp SF SOCOM CTU From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:48:55 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon May 5 10:48:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: Isn't it funny how Richard Stallman bears striking resemblance to historical depictions of the Biblical Moses? (That's a joke for all who might read otherwise) I agree with you 100%. Some people might compare Linux to a religion since people are so passionately involved with it and there are also Linux evangelists. I use Linux because I love it and it never lets me down. Wish I could say the same thing about more things in this world... E On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Dale Crummie wrote: > What really surprised me is, I don't think anyone read what I posted. It > turned into a evangelical rant which in my opinion just goes to prove > something I learned along time ago: > > "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is > proof > against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting > ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." > Herbert Spencer > > I have never or will I ever post anything religious on this list, those > few > who know me understand why. I firmly believe that this list was never > intended for that. > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Ernest De Leon > wrote: > > > I was going to let that go too...the only thing worse than evangelical > > christians is evangelical atheists. It kind of reminds me of all these > > kids > > going out of their way to look as odd as possible in order to be > > "different," all they end up doing is getting lumped with every other > > oddball doing the same thing. It seems like non-conformity is the > modern > > day conformity. > > > > E > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Geoff wrote: > > > > > pixelnate wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 15:02 -0700, Chris Lemire wrote: > > > > > > > >> agreed, some people don't know when to drop something > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Weren't you the one who started the tangent by trying to throw your > > > > atheism in our faces? > > > > > > > > > > *DING* *DING* *DING*! > > > WE HAVE A WINNER! > > > > > > Good catch, Nate. > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ernest de Leon > > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety > > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > > government." - Edward Abbey > > > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do > nothing." > > - > > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Dale Crummie > US Army (Vet) > 7th Grp SF > SOCOM CTU > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:54:23 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon May 5 11:01:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1210002864.6740.25.camel@AMG> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 10:42 -0500, Dale Crummie wrote: > What really surprised me is, I don't think anyone read what I posted. It > turned into a evangelical rant which in my opinion just goes to prove > something I learned along time ago: Sure we did, and Geoff's thread "Conspiracy theory or coverup?" is a testament to that. The cover up is that now the tech talking heads are writing about how MS backdoors are all nonsense and that Windows is [cough] just as secure as any other OS, Big Brother is not watching, these aren't the droids you're looking for, move along. I just thank God (big G) that we have linux as an alternative to the commercial OSes out there. I am spending less and less time on my G5 at work, and I love it. ~Nate From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon May 5 11:04:19 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon May 5 11:04:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <1210002864.6740.25.camel@AMG> References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1210002864.6740.25.camel@AMG> Message-ID: lol...you could always turn your G5 into a Linux machine right? E On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:54 AM, pixelnate wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 10:42 -0500, Dale Crummie wrote: > > What really surprised me is, I don't think anyone read what I posted. > It > > turned into a evangelical rant which in my opinion just goes to prove > > something I learned along time ago: > > Sure we did, and Geoff's thread "Conspiracy theory or coverup?" is a > testament to that. The cover up is that now the tech talking heads are > writing about how MS backdoors are all nonsense and that Windows is > [cough] just as secure as any other OS, Big Brother is not watching, > these aren't the droids you're looking for, move along. > > I just thank God (big G) that we have linux as an alternative to the > commercial OSes out there. I am spending less and less time on my G5 at > work, and I love it. > > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From donguitar at gmail.com Mon May 5 11:32:09 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Mon May 5 11:32:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Humorous video, delete if you don't have time for it. Message-ID: <481F3689.2080609@gmail.com> The tuturial is a little dry but the "commercial", which begins a minute and twenty seven seconds into the podcast, is hilarious. -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon May 5 11:32:55 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate) Date: Mon May 5 11:33:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1210002864.6740.25.camel@AMG> Message-ID: <1210005175.6740.38.camel@AMG> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 09:04 -0700, Ernest De Leon wrote: > lol...you could always turn your G5 into a Linux machine right? Except that Ubuntu PPC isn't really a supported install any more, and I really kind of need it for Photoshop and Flash. My job also entails some DTP work so I really need the whole Adobe suite to get that side of my job done. But all my web development happens on my personal laptop running Ubuntu Gutsy. And 95% of my layout and design for the websites I build for my side business happens in Inkscape and the Gimp*. Some things are just easier to accomplish in Photoshop. ~Nate * Until a better a better solutions presents itself [cough] Photoshop on linux [cough]. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon May 5 11:38:00 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon May 5 11:38:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Thank God for Linux In-Reply-To: <1210005175.6740.38.camel@AMG> References: <730254.19711.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1209995551.6740.2.camel@AMG> <481F1820.5000206@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1210002864.6740.25.camel@AMG> <1210005175.6740.38.camel@AMG> Message-ID: agreed....Google is supposed to be working on that... On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:32 AM, pixelnate wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 09:04 -0700, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > lol...you could always turn your G5 into a Linux machine right? > > > Except that Ubuntu PPC isn't really a supported install any more, and I > really kind of need it for Photoshop and Flash. My job also entails some > DTP work so I really need the whole Adobe suite to get that side of my > job done. But all my web development happens on my personal laptop > running Ubuntu Gutsy. And 95% of my layout and design for the websites I > build for my side business happens in Inkscape and the Gimp*. Some > things are just easier to accomplish in Photoshop. > > > > ~Nate > > * Until a better a better solutions presents itself [cough] Photoshop on > linux [cough]. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon May 5 13:09:50 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon May 5 13:10:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show this weekend... Message-ID: <481F4D6E.5040703@gmail.com> Hi! 1. What's a good time to show up? I was late last time, and probably missed some good early opportunities to demonstrate Present/Powerpoint to some die-hards. Also, how does one sign-in as a presenter? 2. I'm still coming loaded for bear with camera, laptop and printer. Question? We sell OS disks for a pittance to cover the cost of the disks. Would the same apply to selling the pictures we take? If so, what would be a fair (cheap) price to charge? Base it on the cost of photo paper? Also, might anyone have a back-drop we can hang for a 'neutral' background? Cheers! Ed From mattluettgen at gmail.com Mon May 5 13:16:44 2008 From: mattluettgen at gmail.com (Matt Luettgen) Date: Mon May 5 13:16:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show this weekend... In-Reply-To: <481F4D6E.5040703@gmail.com> References: <481F4D6E.5040703@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you provide more details on the show? If I missed the post here I do apologize, I ignore a lot of mail that doesnt appear interesting based on the subject alone. Matt On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM, ed wrote: > Hi! > > 1. What's a good time to show up? I was late last time, and probably > missed some good early opportunities to demonstrate Present/Powerpoint > to some die-hards. Also, how does one sign-in as a presenter? > > 2. I'm still coming loaded for bear with camera, laptop and printer. > Question? We sell OS disks for a pittance to cover the cost of the > disks. Would the same apply to selling the pictures we take? If so, > what would be a fair (cheap) price to charge? Base it on the cost of > photo paper? Also, might anyone have a back-drop we can hang for a > 'neutral' background? > > Cheers! > Ed > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From nathan at gvtc.com Mon May 5 13:29:59 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Mon May 5 13:32:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show this weekend... Message-ID: <20080505112959.A4A5F404@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Matt, Link to the show information: http://www.pcshows.com/ Everyone, I would like some time at the meeting to finalize what we will do at the show with our presentations. We will then try and post that info here on Friday. If you plan to help at the booth, [please lets not take advantage of the people that put on the show, they have been good to use for a long time], please try and be in place before the opening time of 9 AM. We have limited boot space, and the show people get charged by the civic center for the power we use. Nathan From edcoates at gmail.com Mon May 5 15:21:33 2008 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Mon May 5 15:21:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Humorous video, delete if you don't have time for it. In-Reply-To: <481F3689.2080609@gmail.com> References: <481F3689.2080609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0805051321x593622b4u8b2f124f3e35527c@mail.gmail.com> Possibly someone already deleted it? :) Only thing that I received when viewing in gmail is an attachment with your email signature in it. Ed 2008/5/5 Don Crowder : > The tuturial is a little dry but the "commercial", which begins a minute and > twenty seven seconds into the podcast, is hilarious. > > Don Crowder > http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ > http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch > http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/donguitar > A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon May 5 15:26:33 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon May 5 15:26:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Humorous video, delete if you don't have time for it. In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0805051321x593622b4u8b2f124f3e35527c@mail.gmail.com> References: <481F3689.2080609@gmail.com> <8ee65edd0805051321x593622b4u8b2f124f3e35527c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: me too On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Ed Coates wrote: > Possibly someone already deleted it? :) Only thing that I received > when viewing in gmail is an attachment with your email signature in > it. > > Ed > > 2008/5/5 Don Crowder : > > The tuturial is a little dry but the "commercial", which begins a minute and > > twenty seven seconds into the podcast, is hilarious. > > > > Don Crowder > > http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ > > http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch > > http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.myspace.com/donguitar > > A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- ::twistedPickles:: : From donguitar at gmail.com Mon May 5 15:39:32 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Mon May 5 15:39:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Humorous video, delete if you don't have time for it. In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0805051321x593622b4u8b2f124f3e35527c@mail.gmail.com> References: <481F3689.2080609@gmail.com> <8ee65edd0805051321x593622b4u8b2f124f3e35527c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481F7084.3020504@gmail.com> Ed Coates wrote: > Possibly someone already deleted it? :) Only thing that I received > when viewing in gmail is an attachment with your email signature in > it. Well now that's funny... No, seriously, I got distracted and didn't paste in the link. I'm sorry, let me try again. http://www.thesourceshow.org/node/14 -- Don Crowder From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon May 5 16:42:02 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon May 5 16:42:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop RAM Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone had 2 sticks of 256 (or 512) mb 133 mhz ram (laptop sodimm) lying around in their junk drawers. It is for a little pet project of mine for an old Dell Inspiron 8100. It takes 512 max (will only recognize 256 per socket though.) I found some 100 mhz 256 sticks and wouldn't you know the thing told me that the motherboard was 'incompatible' with 100 mhz ram. I will be in SA on Friday and will travel to pick them up. Thanks, -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon May 5 16:53:58 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon May 5 16:49:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop RAM Message-ID: <481f80d5.1f588c0a.2ba0.760c@mx.google.com> maybe twistedpickles //Message sent from mobile handset -----Original Message----- From: "Ernest De Leon" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: 5/5/08 4:42 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop RAM I was wondering if anyone had 2 sticks of 256 (or 512) mb 133 mhz ram (laptop sodimm) lying around in their junk drawers. It is for a little pet project of mine for an old Dell Inspiron 8100. It takes 512 max (will only recognize 256 per socket though.) I found some 100 mhz 256 sticks and wouldn't you know the thing told me that the motherboard was 'incompatible' with 100 mhz ram. I will be in SA on Friday and will travel to pick them up. Thanks, -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From wmail at wricomp.com Mon May 5 18:39:49 2008 From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright) Date: Mon May 5 18:39:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Journal Coming to San Antonio On Saturday Message-ID: This just posted to the XCSSA list, guess our spamtrap is holding the SATLUG copy. Be sure to RSVP to the address at the bottom. ============================================================================ Please pass this on to all the Linux geeks you know in San Antonio! Everyone is invited! http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/join-us-saturday-san-anontio Beer + Linux Journal employees = Free stuff Come join some of the Linux Journal crew in San Antonio Saturday, May 10th at 7