Linux Gaming was Re: [SATLUG] Fedora 9

Ernest De Leon edeleonjr at
Sat May 31 01:10:47 CDT 2008

I work almost exclusively with enterprise level systems (mostly enterprise
virtualization infrastructures and massively scalable farms of different
types), but occasionally I have to use vista to test compatibility with new
apps, bsd based cifs filers, etc.  I do work in all three environments but
only from the aspect of testing end user connectivity and compatibility with
new infrastructures that I am rollling out.  I don't want to 'lighten' Vista
any by removing components because I need to test with a system that is
closest to an actual end user system.  I'll admit that I hate it, but it has
to be done.  Mobility is a non-issue as I am a contracted systems architect.

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Robert Pearson <e2eiod at> wrote:

> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr at>
> wrote:
> > I really like that analogy....I never thought of it as a tank.  You're
> also
> > right about picking things suited to a specific task.  I am no fan of
> > Microsoft for a multitude of reasons, but I do love the fact that because
> of
> > their incompetence, lack of innovation and general mediocrity, I make an
> > insane profit supporting their enterprise product line.  In that light, I
> > absolutely refused to touch Vista until about a month ago (aside from the
> > betas and RCs prior to RTM.)  It is still a bloated turd of an OS, but I
> > know that eventually I will need to support it in some shape or form.
>  I've
> > already run into this with Linux based filers and Vista/Office 2007
> > incompatibilities.  For many things, Windows will do just fine just as
> Linux
> > will do just fine.  It's a matter of getting a task accomplished
> efficiently
> > and promptly.  I bought my girlfriend a new iMac for Christmas, and
> tinkered
> > around on it here and there for about 2 weeks - haven't touched it since.
> > While she may like them for asthetic reasons, I would never buy one for
> > myself.  They are severely over priced and do absolutely nothing that I
> > can't do with Linux installed on cheap PC hardware (based on my normal
> > workflow.)  The trend is heading toward the OS becoming almost
> irrelevant,
> > so in the near future, things like aesthetics and customization will
> become
> > more important than the technology itself.  It's sad to see that happen.
> >
> Have you looked at a product like for Vista? Does it have any
> value?
> [Original source]
> Free utility condenses Windows Vista from 15GB to 1.4GB. I don't
> recommend using Vista, but if you must, read this wonderful story from
> Computerworld.
> January 30, 2008 (Computerworld) A Croatian college student has
> created a utility that installs a seriously stripped-down Windows
> Vista, saying the heft of Microsoft Corp.'s biggest desktop operating
> system is just too big to believe.
> "Who can justify a 15GB operating system?" asked Dino Nuhagic, a
> fifth-year student from Split, a Croatian city on the Adriatic. Not
> Nuhagic, or the uncounted users who have turned to his creation,
> vLite.
> The free program lets users pick and choose which Vista components,
> hot fixes, drivers and even language packs are installed, then builds
> a disk image that can be burned to a DVD for unattended installation
> of the operating system.
> "Why did I do it? Well, it's performance and work environment,"
> Nuhagic said when asked why he came up with vLite. "Performance,
> that's easy to explain. The less things running, the more responsive
> the OS. But the environment part is where it gets down to personal
> preference."
> Those preferences include options for leaving out virtually every
> component of Windows Vista, from the minor -- such as the bundled
> screensavers -- to the major, such as the firewall or Universal Plug
> and Play.
> Some vLite users, in fact, have made it a contest of sorts to come up
> with the puniest-possible installation package for the operating
> system. While Microsoft recommends that users set aside 15GB of
> hard-disk space to install its pride and joy, Nuhagic's fans boast of
> squeezing it into an image file as small as 515MB that takes up just
> 1.4GB on the hard drive.
> One user reported condensing Windows Vista Home Basic into a 526MB
> .iso file and installing it in a virtual machine that used just 1.3GB
> of drive space. "It worked well inside the virtual machine and since I
> have 1GB of RAM on the host I guess the little Vista would work well,"
> said amocanu.
> Nuhagic didn't come right out and say it, but he hinted that he --
> like more critical users and pundits -- thought Vista was bloated and
> could use some reducing. "To be frank, I don't need 90% of Windows.
> But that 10%, which guarantees that you can run [the] majority of
> games out there, is what is worth isolating."
> Crafting vLite wasn't easy, he said. But the time Nuhagic spent on its
> predecessor, nLite, which similarly squeezes Windows 2000 and Windows
> XP, paid off in spades. "Since I had four years of experience with
> tampering [with] older Windows, it was a lot easier than nLite,"
> Nuhagic said of the development of vLite. "Also, it was easier than in
> XP because Vista does not have the old-style installation. It doesn't
> install components one by one, but simply extracts the image. Where XP
> would fail during install because a certain file was missing, that
> issue is not present in Vista."
> Even though vLite features a simple graphical interface that lets
> users remove a component with a click, Nuhagic warned that the utility
> isn't designed for the average user: "Because of certain possible
> compatibility issues with the programs out there [that] expect full
> Windows, I'd recommend [it] only to users [that] want exactly that
> kind of tool. In other words, I would not recommend it to someone who
> installs their OS once every few years. But if you do it every few
> months, then it's a must." ...
> Microsoft knows of the tools -- Nuhagic said the company has contacted
> him in the past about possible employment -- but it's done little to
> quash the condensing. When asked whether it had any thoughts on vLite,
> a company spokeswoman e-mailed a lukewarm warning.
> "Microsoft does not recommend using any tool to strip out applications
> from Windows Vista prior to installing it on your system, as it may
> affect your ability to download future Windows Updates and Service
> Packs, and may cause your system to become unstable," she said.
> But vLite's users praised Nuhagic's efforts with blunter language.
> "Thanks for spending your time making our OS less bloated," said one.
> VLite 1.1 can be downloaded from Nuhagic's Web site.
> [End original source]
> The LFS for Windows Vista? Maybe the start of Knoppix
> feature/functions for Vista?
> If you are an Enterprise site you can already do this with tools from
> Microsoft.
> The SMB, SOHO and Personal Computing areas would need this most.
> Having *.nix, Microsoft and Apple skills can certainly enhance your
> job mobility.
> This email is not an endorsement of any Microsoft product.
> It is aimed at possibly reducing the pain of administrators who will
> have to deal with Vista and worse, which is yet to come.
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Ernest de Leon

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