[SATLUG] So much for Google being your friend.

Ernest De Leon edeleonjr at gmail.com
Fri Jun 4 10:12:55 CDT 2010

The open wifi thing has been beaten to death repeatedly in various
'technical' communities. I'm going to side with David on this: people should
take the responsibility to encrypt their own communications. If someone
cracks that encryption, then that is a different story. I liken the open
wifi to someone standing on the street outside your house and watching your
tv through an open window or door. Nothing can prevent them from doing that
(so long as they are on the street and not in your yard) other than you
closing the shades and/or door. Very simple solution, but most people are
too lazy to do it. For those that just don't have the technical capacity to
do it, pay someone to do it. There are plenty of geeks out there that will
do it for 20 bucks and a six pack (or something equivalent) so you don't
have to go to the Geek Squad, pay $180 and have them use WEP so your 12 year
old neighbor's kid can crack it in 2 minutes.


On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM, David Kowis <dkowis at shlrm.org> wrote:

> On 6/4/2010 8:42 AM, pcdls wrote:
> > On 6/4/2010 7:48 AM, David Kowis wrote:
> >> On 6/4/2010 1:22 AM, pcdls wrote:
> >>
> >>> Pretty much saw this coming.  Hope none of you have made any
> >>> compromising searches....at least, not intentionally.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/197955/google_relents_will_hand_over_european_wifi_data.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hopefully, Texas law should have some interesting counter-measures to
> >>> deal with their goofiness (it does).
> >>>
> >> Because they kept the data, or because they're caving into the
> >> government's demands?
> >>
> >> Just curious as to what you see the core problem being.
> >>
> >> Personally, if you've got open unencrypted wifi, and someone collects
> >> your packets, shame on you. It's like shouting in a room, and getting up
> >> set when someone writes down what you're saying...
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> > Core problem:  There is a continuous and relentless effort to justify
> > these sorts of actions.  Where does it end?
> >
> > I love analogies!!!
> >
> > It's like having a private conversation and someone has bugged your
> > phone to write down what you're saying.  Silly rabbit!!  Stop using your
> > phone!
> I don't think that using an unencrypted wifi is like having a bugged
> phone... One is physical compromise of the phone, and the other is
> un-affected by any third party at all.
> >
> > It's like leaving the door to your house unlocked so that people with
> > poor manners and a lack of decency can just come in whenever they feel
> > like it to check out what you're doing...and then report it.  Always
> > keep your house in lockdown and trust noone!
> Yes, but you don't broadcast things outside your home. A better analogy
> is if you left the door open and then complained because people took
> pictures inside your house from across the street. They're trespassing
> on your property, which they had to physically enter. You don't have
> similar restrictions with wifi, anyone with an antenna can pick up
> stuff, often from a long way away.
> >
> > It's like going about in public, being deliberately followed, and
> > watched ( ala cointelpro )...but, hey, you're in public!  Stop going out
> > in public!
> Well it is public. You can take measures to hide, but people can follow
> and watch you all they want. If you don't want to be looked at, and
> watched, take steps to protect yourself.
> >
> > I suspect, as time goes on, the next statements to come from the
> > apologists will be:  "Hey, we can't help that no matter how hard people
> > try to encrypt their data or their communications, we will always have
> > the keys!"  And, when that statement is made.  Will we accept it?
> I'm a big proponent of privacy, but it doesn't work out in this
> situation, because it's not like bugging your wifi adaptor. You're
> broadcasting everything to everyone. If you want what you're doing kept
> secret, don't use wifi, or at the very least, keep it encrypted.
> I'm not justifying their actions. I asked a question, which you never
> answered. Breaking the crypto that you're using is far different than
> picking up unencrypted wifi. Listening to the packets is far different
> from bugging your wifi to collect the data. You're broadcasting into
> open space every time you use wifi, encrypted or not.
> David
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