[SATLUG] Re: Any Technical/Automation-Hacking/Override info on the CPS Energy Saver Thermostat?

stosss stosss at gmail.com
Sat May 15 19:08:50 CDT 2010

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:02 PM, pcdls.ronin <pcdls.ronin at gmail.com> wrote:
> In general, centralizing technologies are a bad idea as it creates an
> opportunity for controlling bodies to eventually "legislate" away the
> individual's ability to decide for oneself.  Besides, what "genius"
> decided that CPS needs to control our thermostats?  Isn't it *our*
> responsibility to decide for ourselves how hot or cold our homes are?
> Or, how well insulated and energy efficient our homes are?  All economic
> behavior on our parts is dependent upon our personal resources.  We,
> typically, don't let anyone else control our economic behavior.  If, and
> when, we do allow it, it's usually under coercion and force.
> This is a bad idea that I suspect will be fraught with security issues.
> And, there *will* be security issues once you put the power to control
> your AC in the hands of centralized bureaucrats.  Remember, we're
> dealing with people who attempted to commit fraud over the nuclear power
> debacle (in collusion with many political actors, it takes more than
> "two employees" to try to pull that off).
> Now, if they were to provide the technology (linux-enabled with entirely
> open-source applications that utilize a highly encrypted link over ssh
> 2.0) that the user, alone, controls.  Then, I'd probably have no problem.


> pcdls
> Tweeks wrote:
>> Follow up thread I found on this the topic of security and hacker implications
>> of centrally controlled mass AC controls:
>>       http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/hacking_thermos.html
>> Tweeks
>> On Saturday 15 May 2010 11:26:53 am Tweeks wrote:
>>> Hey..
>>> I saw a couple of old threads on the CPS offered free digital thermostat.
>>> It looks like it is remote controllable by CPS via two way pager control
>>> w/web integration (on their side).. Not a huge fan of this.. would have
>>> preferred a home broadband connection that I could control.. but whatever.
>>> Does anyone have any info on how controllable these things are?  It's
>>> designed to allow CPS to help regulate peak load distribution so that they
>>> can do some sort of time division smoothing of everyone's AC loads.
>>> Interesting idea.. but I would like to maintain override control if need
>>> be. Any protocol or wired-hack info also of interest, integration with any
>>> linux home automation systems (like Zoneminder, MisterHouse, etc).  I think
>>> it's this model:
>>> TH8000
>>> http://www.yourhome.honeywell.com/Home/Products/Thermostats/7-Day-Programma
>>> ble/VisionPRO+8000.htm
>>> NEway.. lemme know if anyone has really dug into one of these before.
>>> Tweeks

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