[SATLUG] NSA/IP stack in non-free wifi drivers?

Joe Machos null.div.zero at gmail.com
Wed Aug 14 10:46:39 CDT 2013

Very true.  And, google just reported users of its email should not expect
privacy, and personal communications may be sold to 3rd parties. If they'll
sell our personal emails, I have no doubt that every bit telemetry my cell
phone can obtain is treated the same.  But, I opted to buy the android
phone.... Maybe it's time for a DIY cell phone? Still, if I cannot expect
reasonable privacy on my debian laptop, maybe I'm only safe living in the

Thank you,

Joe Machos

-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces at satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces at satlug.org] On Behalf
Of Brad Knowles
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [SATLUG] NSA/IP stack in non-free wifi drivers?

On Aug 13, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Joe <null.div.zero at gmail.com> wrote:

> So, what do you think?  Am I loosing it?

Those of us who have been watching the NSA for years [0] do actually worry
about these kinds of things.  Some people call us paranoid, and/or
conspiracy theorists.

Thing is, until recently, there were a lot of people who were saying
considerably less outlandish things who were also being labeled paranoid
conspiracy theorists.  Snowden (and others) have shown that the real world
is actually worse than what these people have been worried about, so what
does that mean for the rest of us who have not (yet) been proven correct?

The real question is not what the real situation is, and how far down the
rabbit hole you want to go?  IMO, the real question is what are you going to
do about it?

If you get a chance, go see "Terms And Conditions May Apply" [1].  If you
can't see it in the theaters, then wait for it to become available online.

The real danger here is not the NSA itself, IMO the real danger is what
Corporate America is happy and willing to do, in order to get easy money
from organizations like the NSA.

But then, I'm a paranoid conspiracy theorist, so why should you be listening
to me?

[0] See <http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/cacm92nov.html>

[1] See <http://tacma.net/>.

Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
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