[SATLUG] NSA/IP stack in non-free wifi drivers?

Chris Hudson chrishudson at gmail.com
Wed Aug 14 13:05:35 CDT 2013

I remember reading that Richard Stallman uses only one certain brand of
laptop that has absolutely no proprietary software or firmware on it.
At the time I thought he was being unnecessarily rigid in his philosophy
(or just paranoid), but after the Snowden revelations it seems that he was


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Joe <null.div.zero at gmail.com> wrote:

> Come to think
> of 9 out 10 laptops require some non-free/closed source code for their
> wireless hardware.   Is it a coincidence that the most used network device
> on the most popular end user systems are only usable via closed source
> code?  Furthermore, the compiled size of the TCP/IP stack can be as little
> as 512kb; my firmware tonight was 14MB!  Is it possible that backdoors are
> hiding in plain sight, with 99% of end users willingly (and sometimes
> painstakingly) building that backdoor into their own kernels?  And, if,
> indeed, a nonstandard networking stack were used on top of the existing
> datalink layer, whether in series or parallel, would likely go unnoticed.
> So, what do you think?  Am I loosing it?
> --

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